Tuesday 24 November: Government neglect of the hospitality industry will do lasting harm

Posted on by Geoff Graham

An unofficial place to discuss the Telegraph letters, established when the DT website turned off its comments facility (now reinstated, but not as good as ours),
Intelligent, polite, good-humoured debate is welcome, whether on or off topic. Differing opinions are encouraged, but rudeness or personal attacks on other posters will not be tolerated. Posts which – in the opinion of the moderators – make this a less than cordial environment, are likely to be removed, without prior warning.  Persistent offenders will be banned.

Today’s letters (visible only to DT subscribers) are here:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/11/24/lettersgovernment-neglect-hospitality-industry-will-do-lasting/

583 thoughts on “Tuesday 24 November: Government neglect of the hospitality industry will do lasting harm”

  3. Boris Johnson opposes pay rise for MPs, says No 10. 24 november 2020.

    Boris Johnson believes MPs should not receive a pay rise this year, Downing Street has said, as MPs called on the government to legislate to prevent the publicly damaging pay increase.

    Anyone can claim to oppose something that is a Fait Accompli with the intention of gathering virtue at no personal cost!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/23/boris-johnson-opposes-pay-rise-for-mps-says-no-10

    1. Now it would be nice if anyone paid more than the PM was punitively taxed, and that the Laffer Loophole that enables the greedy to send national resources abroad (or for those from abroad to be sent here) was closed.

      It’s not just those that are employed to run the country that are overpaid.

      1. Thing is, that includes the war queen who is on about 4 times that. Yes, she was punitively taxed. Abusively so. Why should the revenue get to take nearly three quarters of her salary, rob her pension – ok, it’s good, but why can’t she put money into it? Why can’t we put in a university fund? Why not provide for our retirement?

        Her bank people set up a clever shelter to work around UK tax law. When you look at bastards like Khan and his ilk, swanning about, closing roads, having a ‘night tsar’, then our own bunch in Hampshire, the utter incompetence, laziness and disinterest of government generally, the excesses of senior figures despite their cretinous behaviour you realise the value for money prospect is almost non-existent.

        Do I feel bad about such mechanisms? No. I pay enough through my little business – when I sold it to my people they were shocked at the sheer number and myriad of taxes we pay. Our business rates are higher than our ground rent, for goodness sake.

    3. I assume that’s on top of the £10,000 bung to work at home because none of them have computers, printers etc… in their taxpayer funded abode.

    4. Odd, late yesterday you upvoted a comment referring to the Guardian as being full fake news! Funny how you read it!

      1. Cochrane morning, all good? I

        actually thank Araminta for taking the trouble to delve into the Grauniad on others behalf. Most, and am sure Araminta does, note the headline, speed read the waffle and immediately take the polarised view given the Grauniad is existing on emotion [and BBC funding c/o icence fee payers for Ads and Pro PC lines to take] everyone knows it’s fake news. But it’s always good to stay appraised of what the opposition’s up to. In this case, nothing.

      2. Cochrane morning, all good? I

        actually thank Araminta for taking the trouble to delve into the Grauniad on others behalf. Most, and am sure Araminta does, note the headline, speed read the waffle and immediately take the polarised view given the Grauniad is existing on emotion [and BBC funding c/o licence fee payers for Ads and Pro PC lines to take] everyone knows it’s fake news. But it’s always good to stay appraised of what the opposition’s up to. In this case, nothing.

        1. “it’s always good to stay appraised of what the opposition’s up to”, totally agree – I read this site every day! Morning by the way.

  4. I think we can safely surmise that under the great reset they don’t want a hospitality industry or a travel industry

    1. A report this morning on the Farming Programme suggests that George Osborne’s scheme to pass the bill for cutting Income Tax for oligarchs and footballers to the local authorities has led to them selling off the county farms, evicting the tenant farmers. These are mostly smallholders and young farmers getting on the ladder and establishing their careers.

      Herefordshire, Somerset, Staffordshire and Yorkshire are particularly implicated.

      A literal case of getting rid of the seed corn to pay for prestige and waste.

      None of George Osborne’s successors Philip Hammond, Savid Javid or Rishi Sunak have reversed the decision taken in 2013 to cut the Central Grant for Local Authority Statutory Services from 60% to zero by 2020. Most of my council tax is going on adult social services (particularly for the BAME and LBGT communities) and child protection. Pretty well everything else has been cut back or sold off.

      1. Then you look at the salaries those ‘executives’ pay themselves and realise where the money is going. It’s a force backed, fixed income stream from people who have no ability to refuse paying it. If these fools cannot manage that budget then they shouldn’t be in post.

        Hell, they still manage to waste hundreds of billions on things no one wants and worse, that are damaging to the area. Our own bunch of utter, overpaid, gormless morons want to pave over the entire high street – including access roads. They argue it’s for pedestrian safety and, of course, ‘climate change’ but really it’s to waste tax payers money.

  5. ‘Morning, Peeps.

    SIR – Amid the rush to fill our roads with electric vehicles (Letters, November 23), attention must be given to the environmental impact of mining and extracting the rare earth metals required to operate the millions of batteries that the UK will need.

    Lithium extraction is hugely water-intensive, yet deposits are often found in countries such as Chile, where water resources are scarce, and water for mineral extraction is diverted from agriculture. The largest cobalt deposits are found in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, where “artisan” mining is not subject to high standards of health and safety or child welfare.

    I hope the Government investigates the implications of battery power before swapping an environmental headache for a environmental and humanitarian crisis.

    Jane Sullivan
    Evesham, Worcestershire

    SIR – The success of the motor car is due to its adaptability, and the egalitarian nature of motoring. Anyone can buy a car.

    The Government’s plans for electric vehicles will disenfranchise a majority of drivers (including most city dwellers and the poor), allowing the wealthy to rule the roads. A cut-off date will also skew the car market, as drivers will wait until their cars wear out and scrap them in 10 years.

    A fairer way to promote change is through tax. The Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency should evaluate each car and create a scale whereby, for example, a power-hungry vehicle pays five times the current rate. It should set out a 10-year schedule, with a 10 per cent increase per year, to avoid the need suddenly to scrap 60 million vehicles.

    John Hanson
    Canterbury, Kent

    Quite so, Jane Sullivan. You never know; lithium and cobalt may run out, or become even more expensive, so that battery production is no longer viable. What then? The year 2030 is not far off…is there a Plan B? Knowing this government…

    1. Mr hanson, you moron, that already exists and it is already unfair. Motorists pay and pay and pay and pay often triple taxed. As a yoof I remember getting up at 5 to drive to Bungay from Lowestoft for work at Clays at 6. There are no buses, no trains at that hour. You have to drive. While Brown was hiking taxes on petrol it became uneconomical to work. Now it just wouldn’t be. Instead of a productive, motivated young chap getting himself to work we have someone who wouldn’t bother.

      As it is our young apprentice fellow hops on his little popper vespa to risk the ruddy motorway. We try to give him a lift when we can and to work from home (we’re all doing that, but he needs to meet with his mentor and tutors!) and bandwidth outside the office is frankly shocking.

    2. Hugh morning. Biggest mineral resource in DR C is tantalite and Google, Apple, Vodoaphone are all over it like a rash, which probably means they’re already onto their Plan B.

    3. Plan B is quite simple. The plebs must be kept in their place – literally. Travel will become a luxury for very wealthy people only. We are returning to the middle ages.

      2. It’s a way of clearing the countryside of peasants, forcing them to live in cities.
        Then the very wealthy will be able to buy up land at knock down prices.

  6. SIR – I am right-handed and have noticed, over many years, that whenever I lose a gardening glove it’s always the left one. I currently have four partnerless right gloves.

    Have others experienced this?

    Bob Russell
    Brighstone, Isle of Wight

    Probably because you pull off the first glove using your dominant hand, Bob Russell? This may be why I recently disposed of a couple of right-handed gloves…

    1. Fortunately, no one on here [or elsewhere] has experienced losing Mr Russell’s left hand gloves.

      Is this another spoof / woke letter from a one [right] armed bandit?

  7. SIR – If the Chancellor removes entrepreneurs’ relief and increases capital gains tax on the sale of business assets (Business, November 19), he will kill off overnight the UK as a destination for start-up businesses and innovation.

    History will judge this second destruction of the economy very badly.

    Richard Vass
    Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk

    Well, Richard Vass, it used to be the Conservative election mantra that you reduce taxes to encourage trade and business, advice that is generally ignored when they get into office.

    SIR – What this country needs is tax simplification, not more tinkering at the edges. Capital gains tax is a voluntary tax – it is only paid when someone disposes of assets that incur a gain – and any increase in the rate will be matched by a reduction in receipts.

    The only realistic way to raise more tax is to extend the council tax bands.

    Christopher Watkins
    Brentwood, Essex

    An Office of Tax Simplification was set up in 2010 to advise ministers. Either they have stopped advising or the Treasury has stopped listening!

    SIR – I hold all my money in my company. It is my pension. I employ six people. My dilemma is: do I continue trading to try and increase this pot, or wind up the company quickly to avoid a much higher capital gains tax rate?

    I like to think I’m a good citizen and I pay my dues, but obviously I don’t want to work hard over the next few years just to pay a higher tax bill when I retire. I’m sure that there are many other businesses in this situation. Just talking about a raid on capital gains tax will cause many businesses to close prematurely, and the loss of all the jobs associated with them.

    It would cause a considerable drop in the receipt of all other taxes (VAT, national insurance, income tax). The Government’s failure to grasp how businesses work is breathtaking.

    Peter Wiltshire
    Binfield, Berkshire

    A risky form of pension I would say, Mr Witshire, so liquidate pronto and take what you can before your ‘pension pot’ disappears altogether. Your last sentence should be warning enough…

    1. A few years ago, the DT kindly published a letter from me which included the following, regarding The Institute for Fiscal Studies.

      On the home page of the Institute’s website, there is a list of Recent Publications and Research, including the following:

      “While the literature on nonclassical measurement error traditionally relies on the availability of an auxiliary dataset containing correctly measured observations, this paper establishes that the availability of instruments enables the identification of a large class of nonclassical nonlinear errors-in-variables models with continuously distributed variables.”

      I hope the Institute is not asked to advise on simplification of the tax system.

      I am still waiting for a translation!

    2. “…The only realistic way to raise more tax is to extend the council tax bands. …”

      Bug off kiddo. The way to make better use of tax is by radical reductions in spending!

      This is – ironically – something my employers are asking today. Comically I could find myself out of a job from my own company! Admittedly the answer is likely to be no, as we all enjoy our fusty little office in the big old manor house, we like that when you flush the loo the high water cistern sometimes overflows. We like that our dogs have huge grounds to play in. Now the damned people we elected to fight for us, to cut our swinging taxes, to improve our lot are the ones set to destroy us.

      1. The government should spend less on fripperies for a start, then reduce (and simplify) the tax burden. If won’t, of course. This (and other, previous governments masquerading under the same false flag) isn’t Conservative. Small state, low tax, personal responsibility and individual freedom were once Conservative values. We haven’t seen any of those for a long, long time.

    3. A few years ago, the DT kindly published a letter from me which included the following, regarding The Institute for Fiscal Studies.

      On the home page of the Institute’s website, there is a list of Recent Publications and Research, including the following:

      “While the literature on nonclassical measurement error traditionally relies on the availability of an auxiliary dataset containing correctly measured observations, this paper establishes that the availability of instruments enables the identification of a large class of nonclassical nonlinear errors-in-variables models with continuously distributed variables.”

      I hope the Institute is not asked to advise on simplification of the tax system.

      I am still waiting for a translation!

  9. Does anyone know if Blobby’s plan to ban the sale of petrol and diesel cars from 2030 has been debated in Parliament?

  10. Here we see the crude art of political chicanery in action. The Tory’s performance since this virus appeared has been nothing short of a disaster in political terms for them. U-turns, dodgy data, deliberate misinterpretation of the latter and the list goes on.

    To add compulsory vaccination to the list, especially using new, hastily prepared and untested concoctions could be a step too far and sufficiently dangerous politically so as to bring the government down. Current information is that forcing medical practices on individuals is illegal and would break a number of international conventions. Therefore the government would need to legislate to change individuals’ rights and this would open up another Pandora’s box of horrors for the people. In addition, the imposition of so called ‘Freedom Passes’ would be an attack on the population’s rights. Government attempting to force these actions on the people might even galvanise some more of the currently supine and useless Tory MPs to actually do the job they were elected to perform i.e. ensure the people are safe, free and to hold the government to account if it tries to overstep the mark. So, this shower of a government will allow, possibly encourage, companies and organisations to act on their behalf to implement a policy i.e. restricting free movement and access to services and products, the government wants but is too scared to attempt to bring forward to the HoP. Qantas have started the ball rolling by banning unvaccinated people and one holiday company has retorted by announcing that it will not book Qantas flights for their clients. What a mess.

    Mind you, anything is possible with the capricious Johnson (supposedly in charge) and if the Carrie/freedom pass/vaccination certificate lobby in government apply pressure he could U-turn again.

    https://twitter.com/KateAndrs/status/1330961091380252672

    https://twitter.com/SuzanneEvans1/status/1330981550918348803

    1. Morning Korky. There are of course numerous ways of coercing the population into taking the Vaccine and still maintain that is it is voluntary!

      1. I can hardly look at a website these days without a screen-blocking popup freezing the page demanding that I agree to their downloading tracking cookies on my system.

        Facebook recently blocked my access to their page until I “upgrade” my operating system to something that is spyware-friendly and auto-updatable from HQ, and Google Earth has just disabled their server to my system because I blocked something they were doing.

        Do you remember a Doctor Who (when it was sci-fi, rather than public re-education) episode whereby one could be arrested if one went onto the streets without the communication implant turned on? Even in the real world, one is expected never to be without one’s smartphone. Mine is an antique Nokia that can play selected classics in glorious 8-bit. I only turn it on when I want to make a phone call away from home.

        1. Good morning Jeremy; if it has a battery inside, you can be tracked, albeit approximately.
          IIRC, a mobile that is switched ‘off’ still sends out a brief signal about once per hour. You will note that many touchscreen ‘phones have batteries that can not be removed easily. One way to check is to fully charge the battery and leave it in a sleeping phone for a few days.

          1. My “smart” phone’s battery runs down very quickly, even in sleep mode. It, like Mark Drakeford (see earlier post), thinks I live in Wales, though.

      2. Morning, Araminta.

        I agree but to have the government using coercion to directly restrict one section of the population’s access to services and products is, I believe, a step too far at the moment. Using proxies and applying pressure to those proxies to do as suggested is a more clever way to proceed. The zealots, Hancock and Hunt, would most likely do it immediately and not worry about the consequences. Johnson is probably too gutless to go that far at the moment. However, he’s probably open to persuasion.

      3. Araminta morning.

        C/o post on CW

        “No one in government authority has managed to provide an adequate explanation at any point for this massively overblown response to this virus.

        Now we are seeing the agenda 21 and great reset policies being implementedand its script being read. It is clear that this has been the
        reason all along.

        People in Britain are far more plugged into the media than Russians, and the media has been the propaganda arm of the government in spreading irrational fear.

        However I would say that many Britain’s already aren’t playing ball. Last weekend my local area was inundated with tourists not at all scared of the virus. None of the local schools here have been shutdown here and this must be becausethe parents aren’t stupid enough to let their kids get tested. When they have a sniffle.

        So the British are legally disobeying and finding a way. But there will come a point when they will need / have to be braver than this to overcome the tyranny. The CoviPass (freedom pass) which includes testing and a vaccine certificate is the real test. How many will comply under the false belief that this will all go away soon if they do?

        We need mass civil disobedience against it, at every stage”

        Your points are valid re coercion and voluntary, no one in Govt seems to have figured out, if the majority of the population simply say “No”

        2. 326757+ up ticks,
          Morning AW,
          They, the governance party’s depend on, and rightly so as it has always
          succeeded since triggered,
          is a form of voting perpetual
          motion, party before country regardless of consequence.
          You’ve gotta vote con, keep out lab, regardless of the fact the political toxic trio are a coalition.

          1. Ogga aftn here, agree. The bit they just don’t connect with between their ears, is people in UK will never accept a one party state. That said all parties are same peas in same pod, just diffeent rossettes, hence FPTP, boundary changes. They’ll find the Geat Reset will be their demise, all of them, bar a very minor few.

          2. 326757+ up ticks,
            AW,
            As in prior post I pointed out the instruction manual rest between the two dispatch boxes in the HOC and halal is on the parliamentary canteen menu.
            If they adhere to the same voting pattern, shortly, the imams will straighten them out.

          3. Is that Kosher? I missed No.1 Head Pigeon’s waffle last night, but did [3 scds] notice No.1 Head Pigeon bumping gums with MPs from thwt looked like a decorated Cake box and MPs had a massive array of TVs above their heads.

            All I’ve read [no verification yet] more Tory MPs about to break ranks t/w DUP. It depends on how Sir Kneel Starmer’s mob vote [I suspect same as before], as will wee Krankie’s mob and Limp Dems. The more they keep digging themselves in hole [although they like snouts in trough], the crevice will widen, quickly. but they’ll stick to their only viable Plan [keep digging], until they realise it’s too late. But no one expects any apology, it’s not in their dictionary

        3. Sadly, I can’t see the majority of the population saying no. When I was out walking with my dog this morning, a woman in the distance spotted me coming, brought a mask out of her bag and put it on. Our dogs ignored social distancing and investigated each other.

      4. Oh of course. The vaccine will be entirely voluntary.

        But unless you have it, you’ll be refused dental visits. And health insurance. Car insurance. Home, life and travel insurance. Flights, home buying, starting a business, joining a company, going to the cinema – you name it, they’ll make sure you can’t do it.

  11. BBC Radio 4 News this morning reporting that an EU negotiator, not Barnier but I didn’t catch the name, said that the EU has gone as far as it is willing in the negotiations and that it is now up to the UK to produce their compromises. We are now in the hands of Boris. It’s time for him to hold his ground. No Deal better than a bad deal. Cameron laid out what leaving the EU meant before the Referendum and he should deliver that ASAP.

    1. 326757+up ticks,
      Morning C,
      May I point out that Gerard Batten founder member & ex leader of UKIP gave us a very credible route OUT, two years prior to the referendum and the wretch cameron
      ( tory) sending everyone a missive singing the praises of remaining IN and charging the peoples the postage.

    2. I read that as ‘The EU has decided it won’t give anything and expects the UK to cave in to their demands – this is expected because politicians are venal cowards looking for a cushy number after they are sacked by the electorate for their utter incompetence.’

      1. Morning wibbling – That’s the way I read it. Boris will regret it if he caves in. He should get us out of the EU’s grasp now.

  13. 326757+ up ticks,
    Morning Each,
    Tuesday 24 November: Government treachery & neglect of the indigenous peoples will do lasting harm as has been the
    ultimate aim of the lab/lib/con coalition party for the last three decades, that ultimate aim has come to fruition and is spreading it’s poison.

    I would like to think this coalition is operating without the three party supporter / member / voter consent but seeing the voting pattern over the last thirty years their actions via the polling booth are hard to justify.

  14. The national lockdown was introduced because the tiered system wasn’t working. It is now proposed to re-introduce the tiered system. Does this mean that the lockdown didn’t work, and if so, why re-introduce a system which didn’t work?

    1. Mng, aftn here, they ran out of options from the beginning, appeases MSM shrill like a BBC repeat, another variant of Project Fear. They know it doesn’t work, just as they know there’s no virus, no vaccine [required], they’re following their planned agenda, way back to it being signed off in January 2019 [Gates, Halfcock and May would have known]. Johnson’s first litmus test will be Brexit [No Deal option], so playing the C-19 strings to keep Brexit off radar. Re-introduction of non workable tiers is trying to buy time

    2. Einstein’s definition of instanity: “To do the same thing over and over again, and expect a different result.”

        1. we’re all to a degree, insane, some of us admit it. Those that don’t seek a career as a politician, and end up more insane than the voters

      2. Grizzly’s definition of insanity: putting your faith in politicians of any party, at any level, in any country.

    2. I forecast the disintegration of Civil Society in the UK many years ago and here it is. At the moment it is mostly in the capital but it will inevitably spread. You cannot invite hyenas into the living room and expect peace and tranquillity. I don’t claim any particular kudos or insight for this, it was as obvious as the nose on your face.

      2. Not to blacks, and it doesn’t matter.

        Good morning AWK – Is it afternoon in your part of the world?

          2. N end of Nairobi – loc called Kinoo far enough off the main road that heads North to Naivasha / Nakuru. Nearest place you may have heard of is Westlands, same loc that Westgate shopping mall got rolled a couple of years back

          3. The MR had a very pleasant week doing an inspection of Peponi Secondary School (owed by the Kenyattas – but despite that…)

          4. Am sure, it’s a decent school with good reputation. I hear Peponi, Braeburn, Banda, Hillcrest are all struggling finanically and less number of student intake

    1. Doesn’t instil much confidence in either the vaccine or its developers when the correct dose is only found by accident.

      1. To be fair that’s normally how it happens.

        Lots of dead animals before human trials generally.

    2. Morning all.

      Medicine is one big experiment though isn’t it? Everyone reacts differently to all drugs hence the great big toilet roll paper of instructions you get with the box.

      1. Indeed, but how many significant medicines are there where it is proposed that everyone should be required to take them?

        2. In no way am I advocating that and I am not going to take up the “offer”. Not so long as I still have my marbles!

    3. Something weird happened with that vaccine. I worked and caught a bit of BBC breakfast TV that said the AstraZeneca vaccine was 70% effective, then the next day I read 90% effective in the papers.
      I’m not interested in any vaccine that’s this untested.

      1. #metoo
        And when one reads that the drug company has been relieved of liability, then one’s scepticism increases a thousandfold.

    5. Despite the drug’s popularity today, the researchers who discovered it weren’t even looking for it. Sildenafil, the active ingredient in Viagra, was originally developed to treat cardiovascular problems. It was meant to dilate the heart’s blood vessels by blocking a particular protein called PDE-5.

      https://qz.com/1070732/viagras-famously-surprising-origin-story-is-actually-a-pretty-common-way-to-find-new-drugs/

      Pfizer discovered that cardiovascular drug Sildenafil caused men to have embarrassing erections during trials of the heart condition drug. It was repurposed as Viagra.

    1. Refuse all you want, they will just impose restrictions on what you can do or where you can go.

      Your right to refuse Satans jab will be upheld but your life will become worthless if you cannot go to work or travel.

      1. 326757+ up ticks,
        Afternoon R,
        Cuts both ways a political lifestyle can be cut short via people power.
        Considering it was misplaced again,again.& again people power via the polling booth that got us into this high state of sh!te as a nation surely if can be used to benefit the nation.
        People powers choice either shape up & face facts, or submit & quit.
        ps,
        “they” like the germins / nips
        39 / 45 can & will be beat, eventually.

      2. “Refuse all you want, they will just impose restrictions on what you can do or where you can go.”
        A bit like now?

    1. The story seems to be that DT’s lawyers were comparing 2020 voters with 2016 registered voters.

      1. It is not like the UK where proof of ID is not required, it varies by state but to register as a voter normally requires photo ID which they check. Not foolproof but a lot of printing would be needed to invent that many votes.

        I think that the catch line on that image should be “if you believe this you must be stupid”.

  22. 326757 up ticks,
    breitbart,
    BELGIAN POLICE WILL KNOCK ON DOORS AT CHRISTMAS TO ENFORCE CORONAVIRUS RULES,

    I find that very civil of them considering the UK police, shown by past actions will in all probability use the islamic ideology followers delight, the ram.

  23. Black Friday shoppers should be careful not to fall for misleading discounts, Which? says
    Nearly nine in 10 deals have actually been cheaper before the event – with others falling in price in the weeks that follow
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/24/black-friday-shoppers-should-careful-not-fall-misleading-discounts/

    Black Friday is a fairly recent American import. I’ve suspected for a few years that it’s just another way for retailers to unload unwanted goods on gullible customers.

    2. showing a lack of concern for for small business owners, the latest lockdown means that shops are closed or at best offering curbside service.

      More tat to be sold at the upcoming bankruptcy clearance sales

    3. Whoever coined Black Friday is an absolute marketing genius .. one will watch the hordes of blacks scrambling frantically against each other in the shops thus reviving the economy .

      1. It is comical, isn’t it? All those clamouring and queuing up are of a certain.. demographic.

        Which rather implies the rest of us are out working for the welfarists to spend our money.

      2. I believe it was the day when retailer’s accounts went into the black, meaning they had covered their costs, wages, rents, stock purchase, taxes etc. for the year so that anything sold from then was pure profit, hence their ability to slash costs dramatically to maximise sales and, coincidentally, clear out their stockrooms.

    1. Big Pharma fund CDC, ensure preferred press releases issued with no peer review details, secure their patents, let stocks speculate, make money, ignore consquences. Fauci, Gates et al have been doing this for years

        2. Sosraboc, merely point to note [include /discard] the high end stakes is controlled, over time, buy in of Govts [UK MoH, CDC, W.H.O. etc.]. Thereafter the key to a successful attempted coup [Great Reset] is control of the Media,that way you
          control the narrative and have ability to make people believe your
          propaganda.US is probably the worst for believing its own propaganda, UK’s trying to head the same way with its attempt at controlled narrative, other than many in UK don’t buy it.

          1. The MSM has become its own worst enemy. Even the general public is waking up to the fact that they are being fed non-stop propaganda/opinion dressed up as factual reporting.

  27. Morning again. Am I alone in feeling impatient when reading letters complaining about certain single industries being affected by the lockdowns/tiers? I’m sorry to be so gloomy but it seems to me that the whole country is being trashed with, actually, psychological warfare being waged against the population. Keep changing the rules to keep us off guard and kind of hinting at “jam tomorrow”. We will never go back to how it was before the first lockdown. Especially with the “green” lobbyists getting their way.

    1. Afternoon VW

      I feel very annoyed hearing people rant on about the hospitality and beauty industry .. It seems to me that satisfying one’s alcoholic requirements and personal vanity are the priority of the day, how shallow and sybaritic this country has become.

      1. They are the canaries in the coal mine for the business future in our country. The hospitality trade and beauticians are dominoes waiting to fall when reality hits home at the inevitable end of ‘furlough’. Those currently ‘enjoying’ 80% of their income from taxpayer support may find belts need tightening as their previous employment has gone. Leaving them to survive on the dole.
        For many, once mortgage payments, rents, leases, credit card and loan payments can no longer be supported, there will be a lack of ready cash to ‘waste’ on ‘fripperies’ such as hospitality and beauty parlours. This of course includes those running such businesses.

      2. I always said we’d all get either fitter or fatter! We have all been encouraged to become lazy, self obsessed, narcissistic gimme something for nothing state dependants. It’s working! And soon w e will have the great reset with Universal Living Wage with aspiration completely frowned upon.

      3. After the first lockdown lift, the first thing a friend’s teenage girls did was ha e their eyebrows ‘done’.
        What is it with young peoples (and I include yer males) obsession with eyebrows?It seems to me that they shave them off then paint them back on.
        Kn*bs

        1. Or even another tattoo, I really don’t understand .

          I have even seen women with the most dangerous looking false nails, how on earth do they wipe their bottoms or even do the most necessary of tasks?

      4. Actually, under current circumstances, satisfying one’s alcoholic requirements IS a high priority! 🙂

  29. Please could someone tell me the truth?

    Headline today: Trump downplays GSA move in late-night tweet, vows not to concede to ‘fake ballots,’ ‘Dominion’
    Headline today: Trump says no longer opposing Biden transition, asks team to help president-elect

    2. Was sickened by the Today programme this morning.

      Nick Robinson said “Donal Trump has lost his bid and that he is a loser in this election.”

      Biased effluent.

    4. It confuses the septics, we laugh.

      More so when they attempt to complain about 5 day test cricket ending in a draw yet grimace and lose the ability to speak when they turn their Presidential Election into a Hollywood equivalent of a 100 years war

  30. Morning all,

    Let’s see what pearls of wisdom are in store [essential or not] for the hospitality industry.

    I see first waffle letter from Janet Sullivan. Got as far as “I hope the Government investigates”. Janet might take into consideration the UK government has a long standing massive stake in minerals / resources in DRC and are the cause of where artisan mining is not subject to any law or code. Janet should remember there are only three kinds of hope: Bob Hope, Cape of Good Hope and No Hope.

    Now to enjoy the other posts.

  31. Good moaning. A spiritual start to the day:

    No singing, now; but you may discreetly hum behind your face nappy.

    Internal Passport, quick to trap
    Us in a life that’s total cr@p;
    From Track and Trace, Lock Ups, Lock Downs,
    We’re governed by a troupe of clowns;
    Oh hear us when we cry to Thee
    We need a life that’s really free.

    Oh, Freedom Pass, what’s that about?
    Apparently it lets us out
    To shop for bog rolls, milk and beans
    Behind our own germ sodden screens.
    Oh hear us when we cry to Thee
    We need a life that’s really free.

    Oh, telephone that gives a ping
    Now who would carry such thing?
    From dawn till dusk, in bath or shower,
    It gives the Prodnose extra power
    To monitor our every breath
    In this, our Year of Living Death.

  32. As we all know from TV commercials, all ethnically-challenged women over 30 who are not millionaires have leaky bladders.

    Just now, I’ve found some targeted advertising leaflet from a bladder leak pad company in the post. Is there something I need to know?

    1. Expect an ethnically-challenged woman over 30 to be knocking on your door looking for free lodging?

        1. I like your thinking but I am trying to arrange Dianne Abbot for Cochrane, just think of the philosophical discussions that would take place over the dinner table.

        2. That just made me google ‘Dianne Abbott New Spitting Image’, wondering if she’d look a bit like the old Roy Hattersley puppet. They haven’t made one, which I find odd but amusing, because she’s simply made for a Spitting Image puppet.

        3. That just made me google ‘Dianne Abbott New Spitting Image’, wondering if she’d look a bit like the old Roy Hattersley puppet. They haven’t made one, which I find odd but amusing, because she’s simply made for a Spitting Image puppet.

  33. Trump has agreed to start the transition process. Good news. I think he’s finally realised Biden will be the next president!

    1. And presumably the Democrats will be cooperating in every way possible to ensure that the ballot machines and their software were not compromised in any way, so that all Americans can be confident that the election was honest.

      No?, I wonder why.

      1. I’m sure it’s a fairly basic principle in law that it’s up to those making the accusation to provide the evidence as opposed to those they are accusing to prove their innocence.

          1. Something revolutionary is ‘always on its way’ according to Trump fans. Never actually arrives!

          2. Ummmmm…….

            Well I did say that Donald would be elected in 2016.

            He’s revolutionary.

            He arrived.

            So you’re wrong there I’m afraid.

            BTW, Donald isn’t going to give in. The Dems stepped outside the system, that means he can too.

        2. I believe that is the case only in jurisdictions where the grounding lies in English style common law, and I recognise that includes the US.

          Under Napoleonic law you have to prove your innocence.

          It is a basic principle of democracy that elections should be seen to be open, fair and votes correctly counted.

          If the Democrats want to have their man acknowledged as legitimately elected it is in their own interests to do everything they can to prove that he was.

          1. The Dems should just let the normal processes run their course which they are and Biden will be confirmed president by the Electoral College. Trump’s actions risk causing lasting damage to the democratic process.

    2. Ignoring both his character and his deeds for a moment, it always astonishes me how few leaders (in commerce as well as in public service) are psychologically able to select/recommend/nurture a successor who might be better at the job than themselves.

    3. Donald says………….

      ”What does GSA being allowed to preliminarily work with the Dems have to do with continuing to pursue our various cases on what will go down as the most corrupt election in American political history? We are moving full speed ahead. Will never concede to fake ballots & “Dominion”.

      So as Donald ”will never concede to fake ballots”, there will never be a President Biden.

      Quite right too. A stolen election is not part of the democratic process, and therefore as the Democrats have stepped outside the process, so should President Trump.

    4. Trump personally agreed to take Demented Joe to a Care Home as part of transition from current to after life? That’s Statesmanship, even for a septic

          1. AW, “DFTT” is Bob’s way of asking you not to acknowledge my posts. Bob is part of the group here who fear debate, so automatically shout “troll” at any posts that “offend” their views. Bob should be ignored because he’s actually a Bot based in Moscow.

          2. I think Bob runs a contract BOTanic garden organization in Kent.

            Is there a ”Moscow” near Orpington ?

            Perhaps there is, I’ll have to check……

          2. I just bought a Harris paint pad, suffice to say it is in the bin.

            I would not recommend buying one.

            This has been a public service comment!

    6. 326757+ up ticks,
      Morning C,
      He is following the given procedure you seem to omit that there is a matter of ongoing investigations, the findings of which have yet to be revealed.
      Ps
      His legal team has just secured an appeal regarding Pennsylvania.

  35. Was amused by Sky Comedy listing for tonight: double bill of ‘Black Monday’.

    1: Blair tries to make the trade of a lifetime

    2: Blair makes a risky proposition

    Art imitating life?

  36. No doubt someone will come along and explain there’s been very little fraud:

    Joe Biden severely underperformed in every major metro area in the US compared to Hillary Clinton EXCEPT Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta, and Philadelphia

    November 6, 2020 by IWB
    FacebookTwitterRedditEmailRSS FeedNewsletterDonate
    by AI-MachineLearning

    How is it possible that we have record turnout but Joe Biden gets less than Hillary in every metro except the 4 cities that have been accused with rampant fraud and are carrying Biden to victory?

    https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/joe-biden-severely-underperformed-in-every-major-metro-area-in-the-us-compared-to-hillary-clinton-except-milwaukee-detroit-atlanta-and-philadelphia/

    2. “…been accused with rampant fraud…”
      This side of the pond, Nigel fans drag out that same grey-haired and wrinkled trope following every election defeat.
      Nigel, his handful of fans and DT’s lawyers have yet to provide the evidence.

      EDIT: Typo.

      1. Sorry, Jack S , that does not deal with the fantastic additional votes for Biden in these key swing-state metros. Why not Chicago, La, New York. Just because you have paid no attention to the hours of descriptions on Newsmax and other Channels …. I write this as the recipient of the Leon Weaver best paper on Electoral Systems – awarded by the American Political Science Association – I shall, if you persist in this wilful ignorance, block you.

        1. “Just because you have paid no attention to the hours of descriptions…”

          You’re right of course LD. Most of us are usually too busy working to pay the bills/mortgage to devote a lot of time to it. Still waiting for DT’s lawyers to produce the evidence though.
          Especially if the fraud was as rampant as they say.
          POTUS Harris is as much the West’s worry as America’s.

          2. If the reports are right, cases are being thrown out of court through lack of evidence.
            Who to believe?

          4. Same happens when I try to give Breitbart regulars a reality check 🙂
            Admittedly we Brits seem to be holding our own against the Americans over there.
            Electing POTUS Harris seems to have quietened them down somewhat.

          5. This I think is the first step of the process ending in the Supreme Court. As Pennsylvania seems unable to sort postal ballots that arrived after 8pm of the day of the election, thus deemed not valid, it is likely that consideration of all postal ballots will have to be discarded.

            If Biden was confident of a true and honest victory, why not embrace any and all investigations, then he could be a president without the suspicion of fraud hanging over him. As things stand at the moment there exists the possibility that if confirmed as president, he will have about 70million voters convinced he is there by cheating, good luck Joe trying to bring the country together!

          6. That is the saddest result of this appalling fraud. Whatever evidence appears, and whatever the Supreme Court decides, half of the US won’t believe it. The people perpetrating is are trying to wreck America.

          8. And the East’s worry. I’ll give Taiwan 6 months to a year after (if) Biden takes over.

          9. Even their schoolkids are skilled in handling rifles.
            As you say, against China, they will go the same way as Hong Kong.
            Although they will put up more of a fight.

          10. Wait until the Israelis deal with the Mad Mullah’s atomic bomb because Biden & Co let Iran go ahead with their efforts to get one.

            The “accidental” nuclear explosion that detonates Iran’s bomb and takes out lots of scientists and facilities.

          14. “I’ll give Taiwan 6 months to a year after (if) Biden takes over”, I love predictions like this. I write them down and pop back and play them back (when they don’t happen)!

          15. Luckily Jack, after some amazing years making dosh in the stock market during the Dot.Com bust of 2000-01 and the never publicized small cap and value boom of 2003 – 2007. This, after a brief stumble in 2008, left me with a dividend income greater than my previous university salary, Since then, I’ve never had to work more than an hour or two a day checking if any shares are priced incorrectly …. But I very much respect those who do work hard.

            Additionally, on the night of 23 June 2016 I had heavy positions shorting the £sterling – within the space of a couple of hours of the first results from Newcastle and Sunderland, I was £45k richer. It could have been £80k if I hadn’t closed my positions so quickly. I might add that I’ve given all this smaller gain to other members of my wider family, my only more expensive taste being the purchase of a few old paintings.

            This life suits me much better than preparing lectures, writing articles to submit to journals, trying to write books etc.etc.

  37. Good morning, my friends.

    An article on the front page of the on-line DT by a lesbian lady who is finding it difficult to cope during lockdown with the fact that her partner earns vey much more money than she does.

    ‘When we met, I was a success – now she picks up the bills and I feel guilty’
    As my work dwindled due to the pandemic, my partner Kayleigh has paid the lion’s share of household bills, leaving me feeling guilty

    By Emily Sargent

    The BTL comments are not sympathetic – indeed most of them are hostile and most readers think the DT is increasingly trying to force wokeness down their throats in the way the BBC does.

    I wonder how representative of society this article is. How many lesbian couples set up home together? As a percentage of the general population I should imagine that the number is pretty low and I would be extremely surprised to find that many Nottlers would proudly declare that they are homosexual.

    1. I’ve no objection to people’s proclivities – but why can’t they keep their private life private?

      1. Because they are exhibitionists.

        The MR and I know about a dozen gay couples – male and female. They keep their lives entirely private. They are appalled at the rainbow stuff and gay pride “marches”.

        1. One of my close friends when I was in my 20’s was a homosexual – but he was never in ‘stable’ relationships and was very promiscuous.

          He was a delightful man – exceptionally good looking, immaculately dressed, completely charming and a very amusing and witty companion. He was also an excellent musician and played the organ at church services.

          He was one of the first people to get the disease – he died of AIDS 35 years ago.

          1. A school classmate of mine was always very ‘camp’ in his demeanour, years before the appellation became vogue. It came as little of a shock to learn that he succumbed to the same fate as your friend after an extended period of promiscuity in London.

        2. The marches and rainbow paraphernalia are sadly recruitment drives for the alternative life style. It has become an industry. It is useful to government, as a vocal high profile minority it weakens the majority. It also ensures that fewer babies are born to the population. Along with the abortion crowd, the high cost of buying a home and later life choices of young people – all play their part in reducing the number of white babies. Death by a thousand cuts.

        3. Me too. Although I am completely normal [OK, I know, on here that is a subjective opinion!] I have a number of homosexual and bisexual friends. None of them ‘bang the gong’ and they live ordinary, uncomplicated lives; vote Conservative and read the DT.

          I feel much happier and safer in their company than I do in the company of many of those who routinely and loudly castigate them.

          1. It must be close to twenty years ago that someone who worked for me decided that he had to come out and admit that he was a homosexual. My immediate .(maybe unkind) response was so? Every other tram member had the same whatever, you are still a nice guy reaction which I believe was a great relief for him.

          2. I was supervisor to a number of homosexuals, mostly female, when I worked at Norwich airport. I made them all feel safe in my company and they would happily come to me for advice on all manner of topics—both professional and personal—and, since I was known for my diplomacy, they knew that whatever they told me would stay with me. Unfortunately they didn’t always receive the same standard of management from some of my supervisory colleagues.

      2. Is it to attract attention to themselves or is it to ‘normalise’ their sort of domestic arrangements?

      3. What people do in the privacy of their homes is none of my business and I’m happy for them to get on with it, but that doesn’t seem to be enough these days.

    2. That’s the whole point of marriage vows isnt it? For richer, for poorer?
      Diminish the role of traditional marriage and these are the whines you get.

    3. BBC TV is full of relationships like that .

      The DT is driving loyal readers away .. it is as diluted now as the Tory party . When Moh and I are out and about , I will suggest buying a paper , and he always says don’t bother .. We have no need for the DT now that our beloved African Grey parrot is no longer with us .

      The broadsheet used to sit comfortabley fully open at the bottom of his cage, under the rack , and we had fun deciding who he would enjoy poohing on , 36 years worth of MP’s dignataries and Prime Ministers was good fun … although NEVER on Maggie Thatcher, whom we all had great respect for.

    4. These housebuying programmes often feature gay couples. Are the especially indecisive so can’t choose a house that suits, do you think?

      1. Firstly, equal marriage is real. Legal marriage is a man-made construct to protect land and property (and always has been, the church was keener on land and property than anything else in years gone by and connived at the marriages of many unwilling young women (and, indeed, young men) to older spouses for the sake of keeping assets in the hands of allies), the love, cherishing etc doesn’t need paperwork and some couples of all sorts choose to give it a miss, which doesn’t mean that they care any less. Others, of all sorts, wish to take advantage of the right to leave their spouse in a safer financial position should the worst case scenario arrive (or when it does).

        Secondly, this is quite typical in any marriage I would say. Particularly, but not by any means exclusively, where the previously more wealthy partner is now the one with no money coming in. Very few couples start out with only one earner, so there often has to be discussion, change in emphasis and yes, financial status difficulties. From personal conversations it’s more common amongst professional couples where both partners have worked hard to establish careers, but it’s not confined exclusively to them.

        One of my nieces’ husbands has solved the problem by taking his wife onto his company payroll (she does do all the book-keeping, so it’s perfectly genuine employment) so that she doesn’t have to ask for money for personal spending (which she limits firmly) but as someone who was previously a well paid professional she has found the change difficult and challenging to her self esteem. With a toddler and a second baby (fingers crossed) on the way she has come to terms with it, but it took quite some time and was certainly a factor in her post-baby-blues two years ago.

        1. I thought that comment would get a few of the nay sayers going, I forgot that you would probably correct me.

          Equal doesn’t mean equal salary, that is only part of the equation. Especially when children come onto the scene and one partner backs off career in favour of family, a career will probably suffer financially.

          1. I didn’t use equal in terms of salary. I used it in terms of marriage. All marriages are equal – whoever is getting married to whomever.

            I don’t actually know any couples who were earning exactly the same when they married and I agree that adjustments have to be made (I gave an example from my own family); but that doesn’t mean that those adjustments don’t have a human price or that they don’t sometimes have to be re-adjusted at a later date.

          2. All a question of balance and it seems that the couple mentioned in the original comment have not yet found the balance.

          3. Because circumstances are always likely to change, finding balance can be tricky. Some couples find the balancing act easier than others.

      3. Surely it is no odder than Wendy, which was invented by J M Barrie for a character in his 1904 play, Peter Pan.

    8. I’ve never understood this one up manship.

      The war queen earns vastly more than I do. She’s brighter, better trained and does an incredibly responsible job. I, on the other hand, start work at 10 and finish at 3. I spend most of the day going ‘wah wah wah’ and playing with a car on the playmat or rolling around in mud with a Newfoundland dog. Occasionally far more dedicated and hard working people come out and ask me a question about pencils or could it be projects. I forget. I don’t pay much attention to them.

      My point: people are different. Grow a pair.

      Is this a sly ‘the world is black and gay, get used to it’? There are always going to be over-represented irrelevant minorities for as long as they want special treatment. Ignore them. They’ll grow up eventually. If the press wants to sell papers then an article that gets no views gets no repeats.

  38. It’s never happened before – counting stops for an early night, more or less within a few minutes in 7/8 swing states.

    Meanwhile, in a complete coincidence, 7 planes hit 7 towers within a few minutes in the USA.

    1. The election result will be decided in the courts. There is so much circumstantial evidence of widespread fraud and sudden unexplained shifts in voting patterns as to make voter fraud highly probable.

      We in the UK should be very worried if Biden gains the Presidency. The man hates the UK and is pro Irish Republicanism. He will place obstacles in the way of a trade deal and try to further frustrate Brexit. I say ‘he’ reservedly because ‘he’ Biden is in his dotage, has early onset dementia and is a puppet for Obama and the Clintons.

      The other noticeable oddity is the immense and often spontaneous support shown at rallies and other gatherings for Trump and the almost complete lack of enthusiasm for Biden who seems to have operated from a basement with a large teleprompter and TV crew. A Biden win is simply not credible and indicative of fraud on a massive scale.

      1. What about his black sidekick? I assume she loathes the UK, white people middle of the road people…

        Anyway, isn’t he merely the joke figurehead? – the “real” new president is a committee of woke folk.

    2. “The Florida Recount Of 2000: A Nightmare That Goes On …
      The weeks-long battle over “hanging chads” that ultimately landed the fate of the presidency in the U.S. Supreme Court, continues to cast a …”

      2000 USA election. Florida Governor Jeb Bush eventually put his brother in the White House.

      1. It was the simultaneous stoppage in 6/7 states = not knife edge (as Fl. 2020), but with one candidate running away with it – which was the phenomenon. If you can’t see the clear difference, I feel sorry for you.

  39. I repeat my offer of a bet made the other day.

    Will anyone bet that the “independent” medicine regulator will find that none of the vaccines is safe?

    What, none of you?

        1. Which we will never hear about. Although we may suspect when friends and neighbours start popping off over the next ten years.

        2. ‘How many deaths will it take till he knows
          That too many people have died?
          The answer my friend is blowin’ in the wind; the answer is blowin’ in the wind

          [Bob Dylan]

    3. My money stays firmly in my purse; as it does when the adverts show that only tanned people need buy the products.

    4. I don’t need anyone to tell me it’s dodgy, Bill.

      I have been responsible for judging my health needs for about 60 of my 74 years. I will continue to do so without any officious busybody trying to do it for me.

    5. About the same odds that the ‘independent’ regulator in the US overseeing their presidential elections (especially at state level) will find any substantive evidence of voting fraud benefitting Joe Biden. Nuffin’ to see here, move along, move along! I’m certainly NOT going to be a guinea pig for the same multinationals who have been pushing for greater restrictions and lockdowns to gain more money and power over us.

  40. This monumental wanqueuer has now surpassed himself in stupidity:

    “Speaking to Parliament’s Health and Social Care Committee, Mr Hancock said: ‘Why in Britain do we think it’s acceptable to soldier on and go into work if you have flu symptoms or a runny nose, thus making your colleagues ill? I think that’s something that is going to have to change.’

    He added: ‘I want to have a change in the British way of doing things where “if in doubt, get a test” doesn’t just refer to coronavirus but refers to any illness that you might have.

    ‘If you have, in future, flu-like symptoms, you should get a test for it and find out what’s wrong with you, and if you need to stay at home to protect others, then you should stay at home.

    ‘We are peculiarly unusual and outliers in soldiering on and still going to work, and it kind of being the culture that ‘as long as you can get out of bed you still should get into work’. That should change.

    ‘This year there’s been far fewer respiratory and other communicable diseases turning up in the NHS.

    ‘I want this massive diagnostics capacity to be core to how we treat people in the NHS so that we help people to stay healthy in the first place, rather than just looking after them when they’re ill.'”

    1. Not everyone can afford to take time off work. Also i’m sure Matty has absolutely no trouble seeing a Doctor of his choice whenever he feels the need. Totally disconnected waste of space.

      1. He knows that -he wants permanent lockdowns and Freedom Passes only if you don’t have a cold!
        I find it very sinister that we’re being told there’s a wonder vaccine, and the next thing is, we’re all supposed to cower at home because of a common cold!

        What are we not being told here?

    2. I can just see the queue stretching from the entrance of my local surgery all across the car park with patients with runny noses etc.
      FFS, people like Halfcock don’t have a clue how things are in the real world, pound to a penny he has access to a private GP with minimal waiting times.

    3. This is a very sinister and feeble attempt to justify permanent panic and lockdowns. Hancock really is a pillock of the first order.

    4. Our surgery cannot cope with the numbers of hypochondriacs and immigrants from Eastern Europe at present. The surgery specifically ask that people with colds and flu symptoms should on no account go to the surgery but instead to stay at home and in bed.

      Hancock is certifiably mad. His supposed diagnostic tests give almost 100% false positives.

      1. 326757+ up ticks,
        Afternoon C,
        He is as with many of the others
        dangerously mad and the whole
        lab/lib/con coalition have got peoples seriously dead, seriously paedowise, got children raped & abused, seriously endangering the indigenous by unknown foreign factors allowed entry at Dover on a daily basis.
        What does it say of this party’s current membership / voters as they,the party have treachery form dating way back in time.

      2. Isn’t the reason GPs ask people with colds to stay away because there’s nothing they can do for them?

    5. So nobody’s allowed even to have a cold now? We need to have colds to keep our immune systems primed and ready for nastier things. And as for not going to work if you have a cold – people would be off all the time. In the dim and distant days when I was still working – if you had more than a couple of ‘sick days’ per year, you got hauled over the coals.

  41. SIR – All the cafes, pubs and restaurants I visited during the interregnum between the first lockdown and the current one had instituted very careful measures to ensure social distancing, cleanliness and compliance. They were far more reassuring than the average supermarket.
    (…)
    John Waine

    Howdy parrdners. I wonder if Mr W knows what interregnum means. Interval would have been a better word to use, shurely.

    1. Morning, Stormie – the use of correct English – and spelling- has greatly deteriated (sic) recently…{:¬))

  42. 326757+up ticks,
    Yet another few thousand died with corona is on par with saying, him / her / it died with him / her / it’s boots on.

    1. So many accusations but it seems no firm evidence. A great pity, but Western society will continue its decline. The swamp was just too deep.

  44. On a Ch4 prog last night about Covid being racist (!), one of the first points the presenter made was to complain that all black people are ,labelled under the same term, whether from e.g. Nigeria, Botwana, Jamaica etc..
    Funny then, how the term ‘white people’ is acceptable.

    The term ‘black and brown people’ was used several times. Perhaps we should insist on being referred to as ‘white, pink, beige and grey people’.

    1. Give an inch, take a mile. They won’t give up until they have turned the country into a replica of Africa.

      2. 326757+ up ticks.
        Morning KP,
        It does seem to me that the peoples cannot pin down which of the governing party’s are responsible for the odious state of the nation, and they have been trying for decades to work that out, much I would also say to the delight of the party politico’s.

        1. Labour. Without question They sent the debt sky rocketing to tens of trillions and worse, locked that massive cost up in political machination.

          Cameron ran an appalling campaign pretending to be Blair 2. We wanted a strong, Right wing conservative and he offered a limp wristed liberal.

          May continued to be a statist twit and nearly lost us Brexit, the biggest and best opportunity for freedom we’ve had in decades.

          Boris wins a landslide promising not to be May or Cameron andturns out to have the same Left wing, tax and waste, business damaging, worker attacking policies.

          1. 326757+ up ticks,
            Afternoon W,
            The coalition lab/lib/con in point of fact since the major tyke, ino
            tory no better no worse than lab, ALL of equal blame in mass murder,mass paedophilia etc,etc,etc.
            Colluding in the importation of foreign felons at the expense of children’s innocents ( jay report)
            The wretch cameron / may /ran a campaign of orchestrated treachery leaving the final semi re-entry eu lap to johnson.

            We of real UKIP tried to warn of the toxic trio’s treachery but to no avail.

    2. I find determining someone’s character by their country of origin, let alone skin colour absurd.

      Only the Left seek to label.

          1. Have you checked for Yellow Fever, there seems to be a lot of Black Death about. You can’t be too sure with the preponderance of things of colour.

        2. So do I, as much as possible. Can’t see the attraction of lying on a beach getting a tan which will fade anyway.

    1. Better than the Corbyn Cabinet we might have had.
      Hard to believe 10 million+ voted for Abbott as Home Secretary.

  47. Afternoon, all. A couple of articles from my local rag to sum up the madness of the times:

    https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2020/11/24/over-30000-non-coivd-19-extra-deaths-at-home-in-england-and-wales-since-march/

    And urban (white) flight:

    https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/property/2020/11/24/london-couple-pay-double-asking-price-for-dilapidated-shropshire-cottage/

    The first is a disgrace and the second makes me wonder how long they will stick it.

  48. Signing off early this evening – an online lecture at 5pm from the British School at Rome.

    I need some relaxation having pent half an hour on the phone to a wog at my bank whose grasp of its procedures was considerably less than mine. Grrr.
    Later I shall finish watching a prog on Sky Arts about the weird Lucien Fraud (sic). Interesting that that channel should have made its output free to view. Some quite interesting stuff coming up (Channel 147 on Freeview – I think).

    A demain

    1. Sir Roy Strong was never a fan of Lucien. Acres of flesh of ugly people humiliated by their nakedness. He was all praise for Hockney and Titian.

      Have a pleasant evening.

      1. I would have thought he’d have gone for Caravaggio as well as Hockney 🙂 Homoerotica as art.

        1. It was from excerpts of his book in the Daily Mail. I expect he liked Caravaggio as well. Who doesn’t?

          I viewed The beheading of St John the Baptist in Valetta. Nothing homoerotic about that one. 😉

          1. This one?

            https://eu-browse.startpage.com/av/anon-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Faz334034.vo.msecnd.net%2Fimages-4%2Fthe-beheading-of-saint-john-the-baptist-caravaggio-1608-d032ce6f.jpg&sp=1606246147Tfec15d324566afdb1bcf63ab9af7fe641ac2de9410d0d200b8ab30f8908b7543
            Sadism and a voyeur? Look where JtB’s right hand is directing the viewer’s gaze and the placement of the head of the bloke about to wield the knife 🙂 Depends on where and how you look as to what you see. There is a difference between looking and seeing.

          3. I’m not seeing what you are seeing. Not saying you are wrong. I’m certainly no expert on these matters. Perhaps i’ll read what the people who do consider themselves experts…think.

          4. I did spend some considerable time in front of picture and i still have trouble seeing what you are seeing.

            I have just been reading up on him though and he does seem to use his own experiences in his paintings.

            Well spotted.

          5. I didn’t exactly waste my time when I did my Fine Art degree, then? 🙂 I have to say, in my defence, that homoerotic art isn’t really my thing. I much prefer Stubbs (one of whose lesser-known paintings I used in one of my transformations) and Munnings 🙂 When I’m in London I almost always go to the National Gallery to pay homage to Whistlejacket. I even contributed to the efforts to keep him in the country way back.

        1. He is rather narcissistic. But bitchy funny too. He said the Royal family were a motley crew and had become suburban. Other than Her Majesty and the Duke i’m inclined to agree with him.

    1. “The Today programme host (Rick Nobinson) said: ‘I’m not paid to tell you my opinions'”

      No, mate, you do it for nothing – forcing your woke views on everyone.

    2. I’m not so sure. Mental hea,th is used as an excuse for everything now days. What happened to British stoicism?

      1. Seems Maggie killed it off back in the ’80s.
        Along with the old Conservative Party, manufacturing, strong working communities etc etc.
        Expecting a skipful of downvotes from her fans 🙂

        1. No downvotes from me, but I’ve long said that before you criticise Maggie, you need to study and understand the era before she came into office and the situation she inherited.
          Many of the industries she is accused of destroying were already on life support.

          2. Much of the country was a wasteland by the time Tory voters and MPs sacked her. Too late.
            Her fans made an easy profit from her asset-stripping the UK. They still worship her.

            EDIT: Another typo 🙂

          3. You do talk some amazing rubbish at times.
            The whole country was a wasteland before she took over.

            Unions, management, moribund industries, corrupt councils, you name it.

            She wasn’t perfect by any means but she gave the country a much firmer footing.
            Those who followed wasted what her Government achieved.
            Blair and the wrecking crew did a hundred times the damage that any other UK Government has ever done.

          4. Maggie was nothing more than an asset-stripper. Some profited, most lost out.
            We’ll agree to differ.

            “You do talk some amazing rubbish at times.”
            Many on the Further-/Far-Right fora seem to agree with you 🙂

          5. Strange that many people in council houses, many people whose livelihoods were constricted by unions stopping anyone other than their mates getting jobs, how closed shops prevented outsiders working, were hugely appreciative of what her Governments did, so they voted her back again and again.

            You would have been a huge supporter of Derek Hatton and Ken Livingstone, of course, wreckers of the first water.

          6. How old are you , Jack S

            If you are in your sixties onwards , you will remember the terrible state the country was in before Mrs Thatcher took the helm.
            Life was pretty grim , and the unions were too strong and bullish , little Marxists actually.

          7. Give over TB , I’m not that old 🙂
            I wasn’t present at Lucknow, or Cawnpore, but I have an idea of what took place at both.

            ” …and the unions were too strong and bullish…”
            Only because the utterly useless management allowed them to be.

            Which seems to sum up the people running British manufacturing back then. And why it was failing.
            Maggie was given the chance to change all that but she had different ideas.

            Manufacturing belonged in the past, moneylenders and property speculators were our future.
            Most of us have been picking up the tab ever since.

          8. Britain outpriced itself , so manufacturing was shifted elsewhere .. out sourced ..to where labour was cheaper .

            We outsourced our manufacturing brilliance , and now Countries in the far east are the most polluting of all .

            Britain cut off its nose to spite its face.

            We will be creating even more inconsistencies by going green , yep , by plundering other countries minerals , doesn’t make sense , does it.

          9. Productivity and quality were poor – British Leyland, anybody? Nobody wanted a Monday morning or Friday afternoon car.

          10. I bought a Montego from new in 1989. It wasn’t a bad design concept but the attention to detail was appalling. I was woken most nights by a loud sizzling noise – it was the chemical reaction of the steel being converted into rust. I still see the occasional Ford Consul, Morris Minor and even genuine Mini but it has been years since I saw a Montego.

          11. Manufacturing output was actually nominally higher when Thatcher left office than when she came in in 1979. If you look at the graph over “MAX” here:
            https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/manufacturing-production
            you can see exactly when the slump in manufacturing was, and it was after Thatcher left office. It was Major, Blair and Brown that abandoned manufacturing for the City.

            Sorry these facts contradict the myths about Thatcher!

          12. Britain outpriced itself – because management gave in to the grasping unions – remember red Robbo – and hence manufacturing couldn’t be competitive.

            Remove the chancre not the syphilitic symptom, however painful. I think Jack S must have been brought up in a Union household that cannot bear to see the damage they caused.

          14. Couple of points there Bob.
            Maggie was an opportunity wasted. Turned out she had a different agenda.
            British management did more damage to manufacturing than even the unions could. Michael Edwardes was too little too late to save BL. He sorted out the unions, he couldn’t sort out the management.
            Just one example.

          15. Most Maggie-bashers have conveniently forgotten about the constant strikes and devaluations of the Labour Party under Wilson and Callaghan; all culminating in the “Winter of Discontent” with rubbish piling up in the streets and dole queues a league long.

          16. I’d agree with you Grizz, but then we’d both be wrong.

            ETA: You missed out the 3-day week. Unusual for Maggie fans. Unless you’re aware of why the 3-day week came about.

            “…and dole queues a league long.”
            Post-war unemployment reached a record high of 11.9% in 1984.

          17. Yes, I remember the three day week, instituted because of Harold Wilson kow-towing to the miners union that prevented coal getting to the power stations. That 3 day week.

          18. There was me thinking it was a result of the Arabs slapping an oil embargo on us for our support of Israel in the Arab-Israeli war. And government measures to ration our use of what oil we had in store.
            Learn something every day here on NoTTL.

          21. Don’t remember. I was 12 in ’73. That’s why I didn’t write “… due to strikes”.

          22. I remember having difficulty getting to and from Hull for my PGCE in 1973/74 due to petrol rationing, but the three-day week and power cuts were while I was still in Colchester (’72/73).

          24. The three-day week was in 1972, which was when Edward Heath was prime minister. I remember it well. Mrs Thatcher didn’t become leader of the Conservative and Unionist Party until 1975 and P.M. until 1979 and there were no three-day weeks during her premiership.

          25. “But then a fellow sexagenarian reminded me of the Three Day Week of 1974. … I was at school at the time and we had power cuts most days. …

            The three-day working week in 1973-1974 introduced by the Conservative government was a desperate bid to conserve electricity…

            He announced the imposition of a “three-day week” from January 1 for all … The blackout winter of 1973 to 1974…”

            I can’t find any reference to 1972.

          26. I’ve just checked. You are right, the three-day week was in the early weeks of 1974. It was the previous miners’ and power workers’ strikes that took place in 1972 when working for many was restricted (and power cuts to homes became commonplace).

          27. Most Maggie-bashers have conveniently forgotten about the constant strikes and devaluations of the Labour Party under Wilson and Callaghan; all culminating in the “Winter of Discontent” with rubbish piling up in the streets and dole queues a league long.

    3. Mark Drakeford sent me a pamphlet today telling me how to keep Wales safe (in two languages, of course). I’ll keep Wales safe alright; I won’t be going there! I don’t live in Wales, you pillock! I don’t even have a Welsh postcode, which means I can’t go and watch my horse run at Bangor, about 20 minutes away, if that.

      1. Blame the Royal Mail. They are notoriously bad at knowing where the border is (even though it hasn’t moved since they came into being). They get it wrong with addressed mail so they’ve no hope of getting it write with unaddressed mail. I agree that Drakeford is a pillock and that the leaflet is stupid squared but it isn’t Drakeford’s fault that it is mis-delivered.

      2. Just another reason for removing all the assemblies and Wee Pretendy Parliaments. They all seem to foster division, nationalism and spend our money without achieving anything beneficial.

        1. It was a real eye-opener to me when I went to a Welsh university, just how nationalistic it had all become.

  51. BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55022008
    “Benefit scams worth £1bn foiled during lockdown
    Whew, close call.
    But;
    “And officials admit they had confirmed thousands of people’s identities to the gangs that had stolen them – and passed on their National Insurance numbers..
    And;
    “Last month, a National Audit Office report found as much as £3bn may have been lost through the furlough scheme.
    Whoops.

    2. The way the government is hosing money in all directions it is merely the droplets at the edge.

      1. Had a job in Mumbai a while ago.
        Stayed in the height of luxury – hotel was so airconned you had to wear a jumper; more pools than I ever found, bars, restaurants, and so on.
        Outside in the street, people who didn’t even have a cardboard box to sleep on.
        Contrast was painful.

          1. This is because our aid money goes to the EU.

            The Eu then spends it on extending the EU’s interests. That’s why most of it is wasted on the african spice girls, gay wedding advertising in Columbia, drag queens in Indonesia.

            In short, it’s wasted. The startling horror that the public might want the first thing to go being the money we give away – that we can’t actually afford and borrow anyway – is terrifying MPs. For some insane reason they think it shouldn’t be reduced, let alone scrapped – as we all want.

          6. Who me? I know Aid creates more poor starving people but the money if it had to be sent at all should have been on education and contraception. And telling the Pope to eff off.

          7. I’m the only Atheist in my very large extended Catholic family and I can assure you that the Vatican’s rulings against artificial contraception are widely ignored. As for countries receiving aid, most of the people in Sub-Saharan Africa are not Catholic.

          8. Not just the Pope.

            Too many damned religions and cults seem to think the planet needs more people.

    2. ‘Evening, Mags, how does that military song go…?

      F… ’em all, f… ’em all,
      The long and the short and the tall…

  53. A non PC site [some of you may already be familiar with]. As his opening gambit’s “Morgoth’s Review offers a Non Politically Correct spin on news, politics and popular culture. If you are easily offended or of a Liberal persuasion this is not the place for you”. May offend trolls / 77 Bde

    https://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2020/11/liberals-writing-nationalist-philosophy.html the writer “knows his onions” accepts corrections aka

    Slight correction: Rainsborough was murdered on 29th October 1648. If he had lived until 1849, that would have made him even older than many Biden voters!”

  54. HAPPY HOUR

    A military dog who charged through a hail of Al Qaeda gunfire to take out a sniper and save the lives of British soldiers has today been awarded the animal equivalent of the Victoria Cross.Pinned down by grenade and machine-gun fire from an insurgent, special forces were unable to move during a compound raid in Afghanistan last year.
    But four-year-old Kuno leapt into action, tackling the gunman without hesitation to break the deadlock – and change the course of the mission.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/75b128a0266daac2bf74b076229cdaf5556805320d3e1d87b382924ee03b5e39.jpg

      1. Certainly rather than bring them back from abroad (they are seen as surplus equipment), but I believe some have gone to their handlers.

        1. “…(they are seen as surplus equipment)…”

          To our shame, we seem to have regarded our Afghan interpreters likewise.

        2. Umm, all our kit came back. The only ones that didn’t were in pieces.

          I thought that military animals were considered line infantry, same as police dogs are officers?

          2. Some of the ones which survived did come back. Most were not in a state to be repatriated having disappeared into the quagmire which was northern France/Belgium.

          3. Some of the officers’ chargers made it back – Brough Scott’s grandfather (Jack Seeley) had a horse called Warrior who made it through and Brough wrote a book about him.

          4. I read it somewhere on a military site – it could have been American and our practice is different. I can’t help remembering the pictures of serviceable aircraft being dumped in the sea and perhaps that’s coloured my view.

  55. Brink of World War 3: Russian ship threatens to RAM rival as chaos erupts at sea. 24 November 2020.

    WORLD WAR 3 fears have been stoked once again after a Russian warship chased off a US destroyer vessel that Moscow said was violating the Russian border in the Peter the Great Gulf.

    The Russian Defence Ministry said at 6.17am local time, the USS John S. McCain, which entered the Sea of Japan several days ago, violated the country’s territorial waters, “passing the maritime border by two kilometres”. A statement from the ministry said crew aboard the Admiral Vinogradov vessel warned the US ship it would use a “ramming manoeuvre” if it did not quickly leave Russia’s territorial waters. But after the Admiral Vinogradov changed its course, the USS John S. McCain destroyer followed suit and returned to international waters.

    Hmmm. WW3? Truth to tell the way things are its beginning to look pretty good!

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1363866/world-war-3-russia-us-navy-warships-black-sea-territorial-waters-vladimir-putin

  56. More fun on adverse drug reactions:

    https://www.trialsitenews.com/could-adverse-drug-reactions-adrs-be-the-fourth-biggest-killer-in-america/

    Although that is America I don’t think it is unreasonable to extrapolate to the UK

    If we assume that the rate of ADR to the vaccine might be 0.32% and that doesn’t seem unreasonable given how much more testing other drugs are given before release then that might result in over 150,000 deaths assuming roughly 70% of the population get vaccinated.

    Remind me, how many Covid deaths have we seen? ~ 55,000,

    And where there were no underlying conditions? ~ 3,000.

    That vaccine doesn’t look quite such a good idea now, does it?

    1. You are exaggerating the numbers.
      The Toronto Sun analysed covid death statistics for Alberta. Of about four hundred covid deaths, only ten were people who had no co-orbidities .

      Not that the lockdown matters there, Trudeau has effectively shut down the province with his anti oil stance.

      1. I don’t think I was particularly.

        I was rounding up figures supplied by the UK office for national statistics who claimed 95% of deaths had underlying problems. The reason I did that was so that nay-sayers could not accuse me of under-reporting.

    2. If you are the one selling it – -then it is a GREAT idea – -millions of pounds and then say that it has to be “topped up” every six months. Tell people they’ll die if they don’t have it – – and you have a population of mentally addicted people handing you – and the govt – cash.

      1. I think you may have missed the point.

        Three times as many might die of the vaccine as might die from the disease the vaccine is supposed to prevent.

        Of otherwise healthy people 50 times as many might die of the vaccine as do of the disease.

        Not so good if you are trying to sell the vaccine

    3. But Hancock & Co will tell the people that it’s good for them and for the health of the country. I rarely listen to or watch ‘news’, aka propaganda programmes these days, but on the odd occasion that I do it amazes me how many people refer to the provision of a vaccine as the route back to ‘normal’ – I heard two this morning on 5Live. If these same people actually listened to the politicians they would understand that these politicians are hell-bent on ensuring that there will be no going back to what the people consider as ‘normal’. Build Back Better isn’t a rallying call to improve the lot of the population as a whole, it’s to build an elites’ utopia where the people do not count and are there merely to be exploited and disposed of when their usefulness has ended. The, “You’ll own nothing,” mantra means exactly that, including your right to a life however cutely they dress it up in the video.

      1. The useless so-called journalists don’t ask the right questions and follow up questions generally chase after the red herrings offered up by the politicians to try to change the subject.

      2. evng [here] KtK. Agree with yr point, people essentially being “conditioned”, the feedback re 5Live helps as I don’t get it here.

        The majority of the ‘MSM’ in the USA is in the hands of 6 companies, in the UK with the BBC, probably too behind the scenes. They control the narrative, never question what is going on! Any dissenting voices (Great Barrington Dec, Prof Yeadon and others] pulled from social media and muzzled).

        To those “not conditioned – silent majority”, this is an attempted coup,Trump has to be got rid of, he’s an obstacle to the oligarchy and their control.

        The number of positive tests is a farce, we know they’re not accurate but the Govt continues to use that as an excuse. Once the people are skint, lost their jobs they are again dependent serfs and that is the object of the Build Back Better exercise.

        Grub time here, have a good one

        1. Good points, AW. The positive tests, or cases as Hancock & Co like to call them, are the biggest use of falsified data ever. These charlatans have been informed that the PCR system was NOT designed to detect infections: its inventor, K Mullis, is on record as stating that fact but still the charlatans plough on and the MSM carry on asking the same mundane questions: the ability to drill down through the data to expose what’s going on is non-existent within the journalistic profession. Either bought off, ignorant or just plain useless. I despair.

  57. Russia claims its Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine is 91.4% effective and costs less than $20 per patient – just ONE day after announcement of ground-breaking Oxford results. 24 November 2020.

    Russia’s coronavirus vaccine, dubbed Sputnik V, is more than 90 per cent effective and costs less than $10 (£7) per dose, according to the Russian Direct Investment Fund, bankrolled by the country’s own sovereign wealth fund.

    Today’s announcement comes one day after Oxford University announced its vaccine, developed with pharmaceutical giant AstraZeneca, is 90 per cent effective.

    The Russians are taking the Mikhailski. They can see the farce that these claims are here in the UK just as we can!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8981573/Russia-claims-Sputnik-V-coronavirus-vaccine-91-4-effective.html

      1. Afternoon Richard. Nothing until the election then four at once? I can tell when I’m being sold a pup!

      1. Which our sneaky engineers got wind that the Ruskies were trying to steal their early plans, so added some ‘deliberate mistakes’ for them to steal, which may have lead to the catastrophic failure of the Tu-144 during that airshow.

      2. One of the remaining Concordes finishing up as an end-of-pier tourist attraction in New York harbour isn’t great either.

        1. The managers recruit their staff, so will have recruited people who are made in their own image.

    4. This is because we are wise and intelligent.

      And have lived more than 12 seconds. It’s obvious this is how the CS would behave! It’s their MO!

          4. My history of the sinking of the Hood is in a paperback bought from the Norwegian post office some years ago – translated from the English, featuring the Midshipman who survived (he was on the bridge. The bottom blew out of the ship, it keeled over and he walked uphill & out onto the bridge wing, then was washed away by the sea.

        2. You ex-public school types do seem to have a strange obsession with men’s bottoms.
          “Catch them young and you have them them for life!”

          3. I was thinking of the catholic priests, from the same stable.
            Thankfully I was born a protestant, state educated 🙂

  62. Some days back, someone posted a cartoon of a chap looking at the paper and saying how thin it was – and his wife replying ” They used to print both sides of a story”. (It may have been that the roles were reversed). Anyway, can anyone find it?

    1. Are ‘pneumonia’ and ‘respiratory failure’ really co-morbidities, or a common consequence of COVID? Chicken and egg spring to mind.

      1. It would certainly seem that both would be extremely common consequences of a SARS-CoV-2 infection.

        1. Indeed, but having them to start with wouldn’t exactly help. For example, my MiL was admitted to hospital last week with a recurrent chest infection, and the medics insisted she had COVID and so put her on a ‘hot’ ward with other COVID-suspects. It took six tests to convince them she hadn’t before she was moved to an ordinary ward. Fortunately she still with us – not literally however, as she is on oxygen and they won’t let her home.

          1. I almost added a sentence to the effect that anyone with something like COPD could have been described as being on the verge of respiratory failure … possibly for years. So that they could well be either precursors or consequences. I should have done so.

            I hope your MiL is able to return home soon.

    1. I think this is fair enough for public services, but I’m not sure parliament can prevent private organisations putting in place their own restrictions e.g. airlines.

      2. I think it has been going for a few weeks now so you may well have signed it earlier. There were 286,000+ signatures there. Sometimes I cannot remember whether I have signed these things or not.

        1. I had, apparently, already signed it
          but I was amused to see the eight
          previous signatories were all
          NoTTLers …..!!

  65. https://d3ciasigl5on02.cloudfront.net/images/1200/4677.jpg

    On November 22, 1991, Freddie Mercury made a call to Queen’s manager Jim Beach asking him to prepare the following public statement to be released the following day:

    Following the enormous conjecture in the press over the last two weeks, I wish to confirm that I have been tested HIV positive and have AIDS.

    I felt it correct to keep this information private to date to protect the privacy of those around me. However, the time has come now for my friends and fans around the world to know the truth and I hope that everyone will join with me, my doctors and all those worldwide in the fight against this terrible disease.

    My privacy has always been very special to me and I am famous for my lack of interviews. Please understand this policy will continue.

    November 24, 1991 – Just 24 hours after telling the world he has AIDS, Freddie Mercury dies at the age of 45.

    Brilliant singer.

    1. I know I am mathematically challenged, but if he made the call on the 22nd and died on the 24th, that’s more than 24 hours, surely.

      1. Call me pedantic, but between 23:59 on the 22nd until 00:01 on the 24th would make 24 hours. I have no dog in this fight

        1. So the start time was the announcement of the news in the press release, not the announcement of the news to be put in the press release.

  66. 326757+ up ticks,
    breitbart,
    Over 8,000 Illegal Boat Migrants Land in the UK This Year, as 60 More Arrive at Dover.

    Would a current member / voter of this governance party be good enough to tell me what is it exactly they and the party have against the indigenous peoples & Country as has been revealed.

    1. Neither “Real” UKIP or “ersatz” UKIP were on the ballot paper.
      We had to settle for the least bad option.

      1. 326757+ up ticks,
        js,
        “We had to” please refrain from insulting the little amount of intelligence I have.

        2. Which credible centre-right party should we have voted for back in December?

          ETA: I’ll go read ‘War & Peace’ while I’m waiting for a sensible reply.

          1. 326757+ up ticks,
            js,
            Precisely what has brought about our present odious standing as a nation.
            Your choice was from proven by past party actions, sh!te,sh!te or sh!te the only slight difference being in the grading.
            You don’t want change you want continuation.
            You read ?

    1. Clutching at straws springs to mind.
      DT lost the popular vote in 2016 and he lost it again in 2020.
      It’s looking like POTUS Harris 🙁

      1. Not to the fabled “who won the popular vote?” question ….. Oops, they’ve just discovered anuvva 6,000 votes “misallocated” in Arizona.

      2. You consider the possibility of a fail attempt of voter fraud in a state that Trump won as irrelevant, is that what you are saying. If so I can only think that you seem to be lacking integrity somewhat.

    1. Whether I’m interested or not, YouTube’s censorship has made me bookmark the site. Who do these little plebs think they are, fingers in their ears and, “I don’t wanna hear it, I don’t wanna hear it!”

      Morons.

Comments are closed.