897 thoughts on “Monday 9 September: The danger of supporting Boris Johnson in his pledge to achieve Brexit by any means possible”

  1. Good Morning, all

    SIR – I would like to call Boris Johnson out on his use of the phrase “girly swot” to describe David Cameron (report, September 7).

    Just as women are “bossy” (whereas boys are thought confident or assertive), this phrase is designed to denigrate characteristics based on gender. The basis is puerile, unreconstructed and inaccurate.

    Women deserve better than this.

    Noeleen Murphy
    London SE22

    Sez who, you silly old moo? :}

    ‘Girly swot’ sounds like a hangover from Eton days – Babbling Poltroon was never elected to Pop – or Oxford where he was undoubtedly a swot in order to get his 1st in PPE, a so-called degree requiring regurgitation of the lecturers’/professors’ piffle.

    1. I believe that Boris Johnson (Upper Second in Classics) was asked once if he was envious of Cameron’s First. Johnson dismissed Cameron’s degree along the lines of, “I would be if it wasn’t PPE.”

    2. Noeleen Murphy’s sense of humour bypass was obviously a roaring success. The interweb suggests that she is, or was, a teacher – I rest my case.

  2. This is a very expensive letter, given the author’s hourly rate…

    SIR – Physical inactivity in later life is one of our country’s greatest health challenges, set to cost the NHS more than £1.3 billion by 2030 if left unaddressed.

    Strength and balancing exercises can prevent more than a million falls each year, improve health and help maintain independence in later life. Encouragingly, Anchor Hanover’s research shows that 76 per cent of older people want to exercise more. We need solutions that encourage people to meet recommended levels of exercise in a way that suits their needs, in order to improve wellbeing and reduce strain on the NHS.

    That’s why initiatives such as 10 Today, which encourages physical activity among older people through short 10-minute exercise routines, are so important. The exercises are fun, can be done almost anywhere, at any time, and are broadcast free on the radio and online.

    Jane Ashcroft
    Chief Executive, Anchor Hanover
    London WC1

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    W Stevens 9 Sep 2019 6:31AM
    Jane Ashcroft of Hanover Anchor care homes is worried about exercise in old age – a worthy concern.

    I was more concerned about Anchor Hanover after a quick Google. Offices in London WC1 – why? Care Homes throughout the country & you they spend masses on London Offices & London Salaries.

    Whilst we are on salaries how can a Charity justify paying Ms Ashcroft £485K per year – that really exercises my mind. Roughly 3 times the PM’s salary…………the Charity Commissioners are obviously not paying attention.

    Even in the commercial world £485K is substantial salary. The Anchor Hanover website says they pay their staff at least the minimum wage… I would hope so – I wonder what the Anchor Hanover average pay is? Bet you it is around £20K or maybe less.

  3. Former mayor calls for Welsh town to be ‘flattened’ by a bomb because it is turning into a ‘ghetto’. 8 SEPTEMBER 2019.

    He told a council meeting the suburb of Aberavon had become a hotspot for trouble and people who “don’t give a damn”.
    Labour councillor Mr Keogh, who was mayor of Neath Port Talbot until May this year, said: “It’s turning into a ghetto. The only way to sort it out is to use a small thermonuclear device to flatten it and start it again.

    “I’m Aberavon-born and I still have family living there – it was a beautiful place to live but I wouldn’t want to live there now.

    Morning everyone. There will be a lot more of these in the future! Whole sections will be no-go areas, some because of criminal activity but others unless you are the “right” religion or ethnicity.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/08/former-mayor-calls-hometown-flattened-bomb-turning-ghetto/

  4. The streets of Westminster are turning into a circus. We need news laws to police protests. 8 SEPTEMBER 2019.

    With the rhetoric inside the House of Commons ratcheted up to fever pitch, it is hardly surprising that protest outside Parliament has become equally chaotic. Unruly groups of flag-waving ideologues from all sides of the Brexit debate ran around Parliament Square looking for public figures to berate and civil servants and members of the public ran the gauntlet to their offices.

    TOP COMMENT BELOW THE LINE

    Sam Coleridge 8 Sep 2019 10:39PM

    They’re quick enough to do something about it if it’s Tommy Robinson.

    Richard Walton who wrote this article is a high profile ex-cop so he’s probably acting as a Stalking Horse for MP’s who daren’t broach the subject themselves!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/08/streets-westminster-turning-circus-need-news-laws-police-protests/

  5. SIR – There seems to be a misapprehension that the “sovereignty of Parliament” means that MPs somehow have carte blanche to enact whatever laws they like. In fact, the “sovereignty of Parliament” means simply that whatever Parliament does enact becomes the law, which the rest of us cannot then disregard. There is a subtle but crucial difference between the two, which lies in people’s understanding of the source of MPs’ power. The carte blanchers think that the source is Parliament itself, but the real source is the voters, who lend their power to MPs.

    This means that MPs in Parliament are constrained (at least to some degree) by the manifestos on which they stood for election, and also by the result of public referendums. Obviously we leave MPs to exercise their judgement to an extent, but the laws they seek to pass cannot run entirely counter to their manifestos or to a referendum result. That is acting beyond the scope of their powers.

    Annabel Partridge
    Farringdon, Hampshire

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    Robert Spowart 9 Sep 2019 2:45AM
    Annabel Partridge suggests that Parliament is “acting beyond the scope of their powers.”

    To me that sounds like “Leading Beyond Authority”.

    Perhaps there is a Common Purpose to their plans?

    1. Ms Partridge is partly correct; she ignores the separation of powers as in the Judiciary, Legislature and the Executive.
      Although the flowerpot men approved some legislation last week, the Bill of Benn cannot be ENACTED (transformed into law) without Assent provided by the Executive.

      A series of checks and balances, that is what has helped the ‘anglosphere’ to advance over many centuries.

    2. ‘Morning, Citroen.

      I agree with Annabel Partridge. As JR-M said in his eloquent speech during the No-deal debate, “Sovereignty comes from the people”. The result of the referendum was a clear instruction to get us out of the EU, and yet Parliament has gone out of its way not only to ignore the decision but to do everything possible to reverse it.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/58411164a9c7a1924afd86588a39bcc9421bc0e0d86217987f5b42770b5babbb.jpg

      We are on a very slippery slope, thanks to traitorous MPs who refuse to recognise that they have their orders.

    2. “A group of guys were sitting in a car by the [Lloyds] bank and a big guy came up to them with a shotgun.
      “They all got out of the car and ran so the guy decided to damage the car with the back of the gun.
      “As he was hitting the windows the gun went off and he shot himself – that’s what we’ve been told.”

      If true it seems he may well be this year’s Darwin Award winner.

      1. Local pols quick to tweet their condolences rather than asking: “WTF was he doing carrying a loaded firearm in Sydenham South London?”

        1. Don’t get your hopes up too soon. The latest figures from the Kent and Sussex beaches haven’t seen the light of day yet.

    1. Nigel Farage must give us his take on this statement. If it is true we need to know quickly and the UK need to stop it in its tracks whether we Leave or Remain. The MOD must know something about this.

    2. Veterans for Britain have been pushing this dangerous move for some years. May, along with people in the Civil Service have been negotiating away our defence capabilities without effective oversight from Parliament. When her WA became public knowledge Sir Richard Dearlove, ex MI6 boss, wrote to the Times warning of what May and Robbins were up to. Dearlove was supported by retired top military figures.

      Daily Express

      1. ZXCV3 & Korky That is a truly terrifying scenario. I wonder how many rank and file services members are aware of this? The Brexit Party should be publicising this more widely too.

  8. Good to see Sir Bernard Ingham is alive and kicking in the Letters page today. This iconic Yorkeshireman’s letter is short and pithy. If someone could post it on here I would be grateful.

    1. Morning clyde

      SIR – I hope I can offer some comfort to Sarah Dodd (Letters, September 4), who heard two chaps in Hampstead saying that the North voted Leave in the 2016 referendum, “as they are not so well-informed”.

      As a “thick” Northerner, I have been conducting missionary work in the often vacant, not to say obtuse, South for 54 years. It is an uphill struggle. But we must persevere.

      Sir Bernard Ingham
      Purley, Surrey

    2. His biography is very good – I read it years ago. I think it is called “Shoot the Messenger”

  9. What is Celibacy?

    Celibacy can be a choice in life. Or a condition imposed by circumstances.

    While attending a Marriage Weekend, my wife and I, listened to the instructor declare, ‘It is essential that husbands and wives know the things that are
    important to each other.’

    He then addressed the men, ‘Can you name and describe your wife’s favourite flower?’

    I leaned over, touched my wife’s hand gently and whispered, ‘Self-raising, isn’t it?’

    And thus began my life of celibacy.

    4. No but my last voyage in a power boat was in Loch Broom at Ullapool in the mid 1960s. However,my grandaughter is recovering from a water skiing accident in the USA when she tried to jump into the tow boat from the water. One of her skis got caught on the rear of the boat and she was dragged along until her foot was pulled painfully from her fully laced boot. She is now getting therapy to get ready for the new University Ice hockey season. She is usually a very intelligent girl but she is always up for a challenge and this time she failed.

      1. ‘Morning, Elsie.

        I’ve just taken the trash out & it’s spitting with rain.

        Car goes in for its annual service & MOT today.

          2. We have had torrential downpours here in the Marches. I got caught out coming back with some shopping and was soaked through despite wearing a mac!

        2. Trash, peddy, trash?!

          It has always been known as rubbish in this country. No Americanisms, please. That is not correct English.

          Njah, njah, hello my sweet! :o)

          1. Hejsan min vän.

            used the term trash a couple of weeks ago & it upset a few people, so I thought I’d use it again.

          2. Trash is fine when describing American rubbish, for which the American word applies.

            Which, unfortunately our noses are being rubbed in, due to a previously decent-ish Harry-but-dim part of the Royals bringing it into this country..

            But we have our English rubbish – American trash belongs in America. Both in speech and in reality.

  13. MP’s seem to have a serious misunderstanding as to what a Representative Democracy means. It does not mean as they claim that they can do whatever they want. Clearly MP’s cannot consult their electorate on every little issue but the electorate were Consulted on BREXIT and a CLEAR instruction was given to the MP’s to keep us out of the EU with or without a deal and they had a 3 year timescale to do this. They had No Mandate to extend Brexit

    The other Key document MP’s should have to work to is the elected parties Manifesto. That is what that parties MP’s re elected on and that is the program the electorate of that Party expect them to work toward . They do not expect the MP’s to do their own thing

    MP’s that resign the party they were elected on have lost the mandate from their electorate and should legally required to resign

    1. If they Resign from their Elected Party, they should be Disenfranchised, ie lose the right/power to vote

          1. I can’t hit squat when it’s going away from me – I can’t judge the rise & fall, and that it’s getting further away by the moment. Fast across, left-to-right or vice versa, no probs, as long as I don’t think about it.

  14. NoTTLers man your keyboards

    I say again

    NoTTLers man your keyboards

    For today is our B-Day when we find out if we have the chance to ascend to the sunlit uplands or find out if we are to be entangled in the tentacles of the Evil Empire forever

    Beware incoming Kamikazes like Rudd

    Squadrons Scramble!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmjKODQYYfg

        1. The beauty of that cartoon is that nobody can complain.
          We all know that is the target voter for Labour, but Matt just appears to be ‘inclusive’.

  16. Good morning from Saxon Queen with longbow and axe
    we stayed overnight in a lovely pub in Hampshire
    on the way home, beautiful food and a very elegant room.

    I shall resume taking an interested in our wonderful political
    establishment and listening to the news tomorrow.

      1. Good morning, riding within the trusty metal chariot
        across the precarious English countryside.
        Breakfast wasn’t as good as the lòveky dinner.
        I think they are focusing on American tourists
        and business people, not old fashioned English
        country fare with marmalade.

          1. The Hawk Inn, Amport. I highly recommend it,
            excellent food, lovely rooms and charmingly down to earth staff.

  17. Oxford University researchers have discovered the densest element yet known to science.

    The new element, Governmentium (symbol=Gv), has one neutron, 25 assistant neutrons, 88 deputy neutrons and 198 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312. These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called pillocks.

    Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert. However, it can be detected, because it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact.

    A tiny amount of Governmentium can cause a reaction that would normally take less than a second, to take from 4 days to 4 years to complete.

    Governmentium has a normal half-life of 2 to 6 years.
    It does not decay, but instead undergoes a reorganisation in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places.

    In fact, Governmentium’s mass will actually increase over time, since each reorganisation will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes.

    This characteristic of moron promotion leads some scientists to believe that Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a critical concentration.

    This hypothetical quantity is referred to as a critical morass.
    When catalysed with money, Governmentium becomes Administratium (symbol=Ad), an element that radiates just as much energy as Governmentium, since it has half as many pillocks but twice as many morons.

    1. Very good. Beats that other theoretical form of matter, WIMP – Weakly Interacting Massive Particle.

  18. Good morning, all. Another dreadful day in prospect. And didn’t we do well in the Test? Spineless creekiters chicken out.

    1. I must point out that chickens, being vertebrates, have spines. If you cut their heads off, they still run around like politicians contemplating a nation’s destiny.

      Might the word you are looking for be “slug”?

    1. When I were nobbut a kiddiewinkle, I asked my teacher why they didn’t sell Ready Brek in our village because I thought it really did make an orange glow around you and I had never seen anybody in our village glowing.

      1. It’s chucking it down outside so I think, so far as building the shed & garden are concerned, I’ll join you.

      3. There was a rumour that someone was buying the ashes from crematoria and selling it to cannibals as Readybrek

          1. Morning Lass, reminds me of the cannibal that flew off on holiday. His friend picked him up from the airport on his return and noticed he now had no legs. When asked why the cannibal replied “I didn’t know it was self-catering”

  20. Today, John Redwood challenges the Remainers who comment on his Diary to argue their point as to why the UK should remain under the heel of the EU.
    Redwood’s questions will exercise the minds of those Remainers whose main line of support for remaining is the economy.

    What kind of Remain did Remain voters vote for?

    By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: SEPTEMBER 9, 2019

    Throughout the referendum campaign Remain advocates refused to discuss the current state and the future path of the EU. Many of those I debated with declined even to defend the current EU, saying it had its faults and they wished it to be reformed. I found few willing to defend the Common Fisheries Policy, the drift to common taxation through EU VAT, company tax rules and special taxes, the policy on animal husbandry, the Maastricht budget rules and austerity and much else of the current EU. Had we enjoyed a proper debate on the current and future EU I suspect more would have voted Leave. For those passionate Remainers who write in here I am offering them a chance today to write about their favourite subject, why we should stay in the EU. Here are some possible futures of the EU. Which did they have in mind when they voted to keep the UK in membership?

      1. It’s a link, Storm.

        Written in HTML as: Text Here The link from the address bar at the top of the page is copied and pasted between the ” “.

        I’ve placed a space after the < characters to allow the script to appear – these spaces should not be included in a working script.

        Here's the script without the spaces: Text Here

          1. Red is the default built into the page script, I think. I tried changing the browser (Opera) colour settings and the link colour could be changed but other areas of the page e.g. background colour were also affected. I haven’t looked at what can be changed in Firefox, something to do when I have time.

          2. Morning, Korky. You are correct – the theme I chose for the site displays links in red. The Disqus comments section automatically adopts the style of the page which hosts it. It wasn’t immediately obvious to me that links would be in red, until after I’d set up the site, but I rather like it. I could pick a different theme, but I’m of the view that “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”…

          3. If you want it in Blue just open the Red Button at the top,go to one of your comments that has been upvoted and right click”View in discussion” hit “Open in a new tab”
            Hey Presto it’s Blue

          11. Hello Bilty. I’m trying the 2/5 fasting method that Michael.Mosley did a prog about a while ago. If been doing it for about three weeks and am getting a routine.
            No visible change yet, either in the mirror or on the scales. It’s exercise that I lack – since leaving the Reserves a year ago I have become very inert.
            I’ll KBO.

    2. “The policy on animal husbandry” reminds me of a Tom Lehrer line. “He majored in animal husbandry – till they caught him at it”.

    3. They had in mind having somebody else make all the decisions for them. In the case of MPs it meant they could hang on to their large salaries, generous pensions and perks, but not have to actually do any work. Then, of course, when they chose to retire, there was a lucrative sinecure waiting for them in Brussels.

      1. I’ve just returned from reading the comments on that thread. After working through about two thirds of the comments there is nothing positive from the usual suspects. They are bereft of any sensible reasons for remaining tied to the EU.

        1. I made a comment on a F/B page to which someone with a sphincter of stars around their avatar replied. I have given it the remainer treatment; I didn’t bother to acknowledge it 🙂

  21. Labour clarifies its policy…………………

    Today I have decided to win an election I can’t win, then take my
    team of Marxist negotiators to a foreign power to negotiate a deal I
    dont believe in.

    Then have a referendum on this resulting deal, to
    be voted on by the people who won’t vote because their vote has already
    been ignored, and also campaign against my own deal.

    1. Isn’t democracy wonderful! Would you want the alternative, and that is Prince Charles? He plants trees and builds pretty villages in Dorset.

  22. Here we go again

    “The streets of Westminster are turning into a circus. We need news laws to police protests”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/08/streets-westminster-turning-circus-need-news-laws-police-protests/
    We already have ample law on the statute book to deal with ANY situation,what is missing is the will to enforce them.Even more important is that the existing laws are applied to ALL without fear or favour.
    Equal justice for all under the law
    I note with interest when Soubry is called a “Nazi” by a protester he is arrested and hauled before the courts,so as Soubry called the crowd protesting “Nazis and Fascists” when is her court date??
    No,thought not…………………….

        1. Morning Rik,

          All is dark where Remainers’ heads are. Not even a Leonard Cohen crack to let the light in…

    2. Many police are now lefty the higher ranks in particular. They have all been on that course.

    3. The top rated BTL …

      Sam Coleridge 8 Sep 2019 10:39PM

      They’re quick enough to do something about it if it’s Tommy Robinson.

    5. Hmm, I read that article. I was intrigued that we needed ‘News Laws’. Why? To do what? Make it illegal to report protests?

  23. From The BBC.

    “Thousands of people who bought solar
    panels have complained to a financial watchdog that they are not
    bringing them the returns they were promised.

    Many people took out
    loans to pay for panels on the promise they would save thousands of
    pounds in electricity costs and make money generating power.

    They say they have not had the expected savings, and the Financial Services Ombudsman has had 2,000 complaints.

    Barclays Bank has put aside £38m to deal with potential claims.”

    Just knew this would happen. The something for nothing brigade are not happy. They have never heard of Buyer Beware.

    1. For any financial transaction, if it looks too good to be true you can guarantee that it is a scam for the benefit of the provider and their intermediaries who sell the product..

      1. Although retired I looked at the Solar Panel market as the various subsidies led themselves to a glorious sales pitch
        (Says an ex-timeshare Great White)

        1. Did you hook many takers/victims with the timeshare?

          I learned how to avoid them on holiday. Don’t make eye contact and keep walking.

          1. I only operated in the UK,never used OPC’s only DM and Telesales to attract the punters,at peak 6 million ex vat a year sales

    2. Presumably it’s the financing by way of a loan which is the reason for the complaints.
      My solar panel installation was paid for in cash and is providing me with an income far exceeding that which I would get if I invested the same amount. Plus it’s paying for itself in around 5 years , I suffer a total annual electricity bill of £150 and I live in the far north of Scotland.
      To get any benefit from the panels you have to be using the electricity whilst it’s being generated – you get paid for what you are using

  24. This is a good ‘un from BTL@DTletters

    Sandra McCarthy 9 Sep 2019 8:22AM
    I have just spent the last 2 weeks with the chattering classes in Turkey. To a man/woman they despised BJ and wanted to remain. The classic was from a man who lives in Turkey bemoaning the fact he might have to repay the VAT on the rather nice yacht he lives on if Brexit happens but is popping back to the UK for a MRI scan on the NHS. Really? My mother always used to say its down to you to suffer the consequences of your choices

    1. Anyone who doesn’t ‘habitually reside’ in the UK should definitely have no access to our NHS. My son, a former UK tax payer, who emigrated to Canada 5 years ago has to have travel insurance for his annual visits here.

  25. Sir – Now that my highly principled MP, Alistair Burt, has gone, I will be able to vote for the Liberal Democrats in the next election with a clear conscience.

    Josephine Hoy
    Wrestlingworth, Bedfordshire

    How can you have a clear conscience when you have no fucking brain?

    1. Hejsan min vän.

      I put it to you that one is more likely to have a clear conscience if one has no fucking brain.

      1. Tjena, min vän.

        I guess you’re right but that is too metaphysical for me on a Monday morning! :•)

    1. I’ve always hoped that Gina Miller and co would spend an absolute fortune going all the way through the legal processes only to get to the ECJ and be told by that court that Johnson is the sole arbiter on whether or not to ask for an extension and that the UK parliament is powerless to change that fact and also that all the UK courts had no jurisdiction.

      It might make them understand what sovereignty is actually about and why it is so important that we get ours back…

    3. Oh the irony – wouldn’t it be wonderful if being subject to EU laws is the one thing that gets us out of the EU against the wishes of the traitors!

        1. They are actively working with a foreign power to defy the will of the British people as clearly expressed in a majority vote. If they succeed it will negatively affect the country’s ability to make its own trade deals and thus affect its prosperity. If that doesn’t tick the box “traitor” I don’t know what does.

    4. Yes, we have known this for ages, but Remainers do not understand the power of EU law, in this case a Treaty. That is the fundamental problem, the illusion that the Branch Managers think that they can give orders to Head Office. Just three minutes of listening to Roland Rudd on Radio 4, and it was clear that he inhabits a different planet.

    5. Sorry, Rik I started an edit and then forgot to post. You may or may not agree with the final edition..

    6. Yes, but which venue decides on the interpretation of EU law? The ECJ. What is the ECJ going to do? Bend the rules so that somehow our shoddy bill’s purposes are carried out. (N.B. why isn’t the PM advising HM not to give it Royal Assent on the basis that it flies in the face of our Constitution, in letting a foreign power have sovereignty over this country? I’m sure she would be happy to do so on his advice.)

      Morning, Rik.

      P.S. Another thing, I don’t understand those people who say we do not have a written constitution. We do, in tandem with common law, just that it is contained in several documents rather than one.

      1. The ECJ will not be involved, because no Court could force the PM to submit an untruth to a foreign power.
        The letter that Boris is supposed to send to ‘Dear Mr President’ states that the “UK Parliament has passed the European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 2) Act 2019.”. Incorrect and inaccurate.

        Parliament has approved a Bill, which will later become law, an Act of Parliament, the moment that it has been given Royal Assent.
        The enactment, the chrysalis stage, is undertaken only by the Executive, NOT the Legislature.

        1. I hope that Boris “advises” the Queen not to give Royal Assent. So what if it hasn’t been done for centuries – Bercow has rubbished centuries of conventions. Boris’s advice would at least be legitimate.

  27. Right; laptop appears to be suffering from the cyber version of trapped wind.
    I will shut it down and give it a rest.
    Maybe I should shove some Rennies into the various connecting ports.

      1. Good advice, Araminta.

        My neighbour did that the other week and I helped set the new one up and transfer stuff from her old one.

        Whether or not it’s because we’re now both on Windows 10 or what, I don’t know, but I hardly swore once during the whole proceedings. That said, modern computers are complicated beasts and I still struggle with things.

        1. The last time I employed a supposed IT expert his closing remark, having failed to fix the problem yet still presented me with an outrageous bill, was “these computers are designed for people even stupider than you”.

          1. For most people, me included, computers are like icebergs and there’s 95% which we never encounter on a day-to-day basis. When that lump goes wrong, we’re up a gum tree without a paddle.

            Rather than splashing dosh on HS2 and the like, I think taxpayers’ money would be better spent getting the boffins to design a basic computer which the village idiot could use without breaking into a sweat. Why should people reluctant or unable to use computers be excluded from the benefits which IT offers?

    2. Morning Anne.

      Do you ever remember giving the telly a bash on the side when it was playing up? Worked every time with ours.

      1. I remember as a kid, my dad turning the fridge upside down when it packed up. Then back up the right way and it worked again.

        1. I hope he emptied it first.

          A big ceramic resistor with tappings along its length supplied the valves in our telly and had been patched up several times by the repair man using resistors.

          When another section along it packed up, the only thing I could find with the same resistance as the patch-up ones was a 40 watt light bulb. As such, our telly had a light bulb on top for ages just to keep it working.

          Make do and mend was the theme in those days.

          2. Excellent. That reminds when when I was an undergrad and was employed by my parents for part of the long vac to paint the accessible parts of the house.. Of course I used a blow lamp to burn off the old paint having watched the professionals. All went well, apart from a few cracked window edges where I had been overenthusiastic with the heat. So I continued blow lamping away until I noticed flames from inside the bathroom. The curtain was on fire. I extinguished it. But how did it catch light, I was working outside? I investigated further and noticed a glow inside the wooden window frame where there was a seam between 2 parts. A nice breeze was keeping it all nice and hot…
            By the time I’d put it out, there was a large hole in the frame. But no B&Q,no acrylic filler in those days. So when my parents moved they left a window frame neatly filled with small pieces of coal, the surface covered in putty and painted over…
            Those were the days…

      2. My dentist reminded me of that the other day. She was suggesting that her nurse bash a piece of equipment, not me…and she was joking.

        2. I called in Boots last week to use one of their photo-printing machines and one wasn’t working. I offered to lend them a hammer and got a glazed look (they were much too young to understand the repair tricks of yesteryear).

    3. Morning, Anne,

      I’ve solved the problem with my laptop in the past by turning it upside down and giving it a side to side shake. Then a bang with my fist. Always worked!

  29. Not a single illegal immigrant will stay, says India after Assam register excludes millions. Mon 9 Sep 2019

    India’s home affairs minister has said his government “will not allow a single illegal immigrant to stay” amid outcry over a citizenship register in Assam that could leave almost 2 million people stateless.

    Shock! Horror! UK government protests against this racist, xenophobic policy and its assault on Human Rights. Oh wait a minute!

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/09/not-a-single-illegal-immigrant-will-stay-says-india-after-register-excludes-millions

  30. Loud Snigger

    “Arctic tours ship MS MALMO with 16 passengers on board got stuck in ice

    on Sep 3 off Longyearbyen, Svalbard Archipelago, halfway between Norway

    and North Pole. The ship is on Arctic tour with Climate Change

    documentary film team, and tourists, concerned with Climate Change and

    melting Arctic ice. All 16 Climate Change warriors were evacuated by

    helicopter in challenging conditions, all are safe. 7 crew remains on

    board, waiting for Coast Guard ship assistance.

    Something is very wrong with Arctic ice, instead of melting as ordered

    by UN/IPCC, it captured the ship with Climate Change Warriors.”

    https://maritimebulletin.net/2019/09/04/ship-with-climate-change-warriors-caught-in-ice-warriors-evacuated/

      1. She is probably told when she can and when she cannot speak, by orders from above.

        Morning, Bill.

        1. Good morning.

          She has to learn a new script every day. So as to appear “spontaneous”….

    2. I would rescue them.

      I would take them on board a ship, and move them quickly away from Spitsbergen, which is for walruses and polar bears, not humans.

      Next I would set sail for the South Atlantic where I would ditch them all in the “pond”.

      I’m an altruist, me!

  31. Bathrooms on the Caledonian Sleeper were left without water after the wrong kind of bleach was used to clean them, it emerged.

    All 75 carriages in the fleet, which cost £150 million, were affected when the wrong kind of chemical was used to clean en-suite toilets, basins and showers.

    Water pipes were damaged by caustic fluid days before the launch, leaving many passengers without water.

    The error was not believed to have been caused by train operator Serco, but by a firm acting for Spanish train manufacturer Construcciones y Auxiliar de Ferrocarriles (CAF).

    The problem was only discovered after politicians and other special guests boarded the inaugural service from Glasgow to London in April.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/08/caledonian-sleeper-passengers-left-without-water-bathrooms-cleaners/

    ( Serco, don’t they run the prisons and other institutions?)

    1. They seem to have a finger in an awful lot of pies over here…and are apparently preferred by Government. I wonder why? IMO there are some British shareholders who invest in the company.

      Morning, Maggie

      1. Who awards Serco (Mr Soames company) all those contracts? Is it the Civil Service, our MPs…?

          2. I only clarified because some people think Nicholas, the MP, is also CEO of Serco when he’s not.

          3. Bloomin’ heck, old Winston and Clementine put some (possibly/probably) nice genes into a pretty awful cocktail.

    1. They understand democracy in the same context as the “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea”.

      1. And the “Democratic People’s Republic of the Congo”, or the DDR [Deutsch Democratic Republic (East Germany) ].

        Strange how those extolling democracy in their country names have no bloody idea of what it means. They must think it’s a posh word for Dictatorship.

      1. I must agree in this case. It is superfluous and detracts from the message. I will edit / replace the word before I re-post that image to others, because the rest of the message is very good. Some of my friends think that swearing is perfectly fine when required, but it is a bit over-used now.

  33. UK retail footfall dips further as shoppers shun high street

    Not really a surprise. The average high street is not a pleasant place to shop

    5. Thanks Rik, that was priceless. And with Berk-O going by the 31st October this is indeed a good news day.

    1. Attwood’s new novel, a follow up to The Handmaids Tale which describes life in the Republic of Gilead, a terrifying vision of what the future could look like.

      I think the man’s thought bubble sums it up more accurately.

        2. Authors have tended to substitute the real enemy, muslims, with a less obvious replacement. In “the Lord of the Rings” they are orcs.

          1. I wonder if Tolkein thought that far ahead, so as to replace our current enemy. IMO it is a more of a blueprint of what enemies of England are. In that case, he has the basics (the mindless led by the evil) spot on.

  37. DM article:NOT IN MY NAME!’ Gina Miller MOCKS Brexiteers as ‘terrorists’ ahead of protest march

    Why does she think her name is more important than mine?

    2. Self -promotion? We’ve all heard of her from her legal antics, but she has not heard of me. I am just as important as she is.

      1. Ndovu – You are far more important. You have not sold your soul, and the future of millions, just to be a tool to promote the globalists goals. 🙂

        This Miller female would appear to be one of those people who will get flat on their back as soon as someone waves a large enough carrot in front of her.

        “Be a puppet Gina! There’s a good girl! Here are some ear muffs to drown out the cries of your victims. Oh, what? You actually like those cries? Well done. You will go right to the top with that attitude.”

        2. Well she appears to have got flat on her back with her three husbands, each one richer than the previous one.

          2. That was Motse Mabuse – South African sister of Oti Mabuse the dancer. I wonder how she will rate the performances of her sister.

    3. She’s not even English, Welsh, Scottish or N. Irish. She is a foreigner given British citizenship. Her name is less than nothing. It’s the money behind her.

    1. How can a fire in what appears to be a modern low rise block flats spread so far something must be very wrong with our fire standards. There should be at minimum a 1 hour fires resistance

        1. The block was designed by the trendy JTP Architects who operate from a substantial brick former Rum warehouse in London Docks. By contrast, their paper thin oblong blocks, mostly flat roofed confections, can be seen in numerous towns and cities and despoil much of our countryside.

          Edited.

          2. I live in a building designed by Maurice Webb in 1935-37. He apparently felt that his artistic integrity was compromised by the need to cram in as many small units as possible. The building being listed, the only structural change has been the (unnecessary?) removal of undamaged asbestos. Otherwise, it’s well maintained. God forbid that we ever have a fire but if it happened, our chances of escape should be reasonably good?

          3. Depends how high up and at which end of the stairs you sre, Sue.

            I pray that it will never happen. Anyway, your is not the same as others, so should escape…

      3. Ah, but if you call the brigade before your kitchen is well alight, you are never going to get fancy hotel accommodation.

      1. And about ten thousand residents will appear for rehousing and compo if recent examples are followed.

        1. What percentage would be indigenous? They seem to have found a nice little earner. No people injured but property lost..how many wonderful stereos and 55″ TVs will have been lost?

  39. Good morning all!

    Has this been posted yet?

    “Man dies ‘after accidentally shooting himself’ in London.”
    He apparently went to attack some fellows sitting in a car, but was killed by Rick O’Shea.

    2. I have read he tried to bash out the windscreen with the butt to get a clear shot,without unloading
      Oh Dear etc

  40. Just started reading the Times over breakfast. Wow, they haven’t half brought out the ant-Brexit, anti-Boris guns. Remainers without pretence thay are now. Things are hotting up, and the Withdrawal Bill will soon replace the referendum.

    1. I have read The Grimes since 1954. It is a mere shadow of its former self. Rabidly remainiac. Utterly intolerant of any other view. An appalling rag.

      I only take it for the crossword….

      1. If you can do the Times crossword, you’re a better man than I am, Gunga Din.
        (OK, even the crossword is now a shadow of its former self)

        1. I complete it five days out of seven (including the S Grimes).

          Very occasionally I look at the puzzles from the 50s and 60s. Quite different. Almost always had at least one quotation to complete.

  41. The BBC will have to find a way to spin this into bad news

    Recession fears ease as UK economy grows faster than expected

    Where is Mr We are Doomed Hammond when the BBC needs him ?

    Fears of a UK recession are easing, as new data released on Monday shows better than expected economic growth in July.
    The UK economy grew by 0.3% between June and July, according to the Office of National Statistics (ONS). Economists had forecast month-on-month growth of just 0.1%, up from 0% in the prior month.
    The data suggests the UK could be on track to escape a recession. A recession is defined as two consecutive quarters of recession. The UK economy shrank by 0.2% in the second quarter of the year and July marks the start of the third quarter.

    1. ” Do we want to irresponsibly go into a no-deal Brexit and lose all this ? Just imagine how much better we would have done had there been no ” leave ” vote ”
      That sort of thing, perhaps ?

  42. The boris now says that a deal can be done by the 18th with our eu friends,we have just proved that, all that leaves is a suitable time to release the news of what we have signed up to.

    1. I wasnt very impressed by his TV speech at his pre meeting with the Irish PM. He was adamant that he was desperate for a deal and that No Deal would be a failure of Statesmanship. The Irish PM then told him the Irish view which seemed to embarrass him. Boris seems to be falling into May’s trap of a Withdrawal Treatnent. I hope not.

      1. Boris made the point that it would be everyone’s failure.
        A tactful way of pointing out that the EU and its lackeys were effing up big time.

  43. Here’s a laff…

    “MissPelling 11h ago
    Guardian Pick

    The language they are using is appalling. Collaboration between rebel MPs and the EU, a surrender bill, a war cabinet etc. Today Javid said parliament is ‘kneecapping’ the government’s Brexit negotiations and Johnson is apparently going to take a chainsaw to anything that stands in his way. The war is in their tiny little minds.

    This kind of language is incitement to hatred and incitement to violence. It’s only a matter of time until there’s another Jo Cox.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2019/sep/08/ben-jennings-on-boris-johnsons-leadership-of-the-tories-cartoon#comment-132886012

    1. Tell me again,for a thousand years what was the penalty for treason???
      Now tell me how you would define “Conspiring with foreign powers”
      ‘Morning 3

  44. I like an expert with some money where is mouth is:

    Norway’s $1 Trillion Wealth Manager Vows to Stick to U.K. ‘No Matter What’
    By Jonas O Bergman
    September 4, 2019, 10:27 AM GMT+1

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-04/norway-s-1-trillion-man-vows-to-stick-to-u-k-no-matter-what

    The man managing Norway’s $1 trillion wealth fund is looking beyond the current political turmoil, vowing to invest in the U.K. “no matter what” and planning to plow another $100 billion into the U.S. stock markets.

    The fund has so far taken a sanguine approach to turmoil stemming from Brexit, even adding to its London real estate holdings in the immediate aftermath of the 2016 vote. It has repeatedly argued that the U.K. will remain a European economic power regardless of the outcome of Brexit.

    “What we’ve said for three years now is that we are a long-term investor in Great Britain no matter what the outcome,” Yngve Slyngstad, the chief executive officer of Norges Bank Investment Management, said in an interview in Oslo with John Micklethwait on Bloomberg TV. Countries should “know that we are long-term committed” and a “stable investor,” he said.

    Built from Norway’s oil riches over the past two decades, the fund has been designed to invest in markets around the world to reap the benefits of increased global trade and closer economic ties. That model is now being called into question by an escalating trade dispute between the world’s economic powers, rising authoritarianism in many countries and the decision by the U.K. to quit the European Union.

    The trade dispute will probably work itself out “over time,” Slyngstad said, adding that it will be “a lot more difficult” to break up global supply chains than it may seem. “There’s a huge upside in keeping the production chains together,” he said.

    Well, Remainer Chicken Lickens whaddaya think?

    1. LD it is perfectly clear to me that Remainer Chickens are incapable of thinking for themselves…..

    2. The turmoil leads to loss of share value, and so makes more attractive to buy – always assuming you expect it to recover in a while. Same with currency exchange rates.

  45. Ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal’s home is declared safe enough for him to sell following a huge clean-up operation 18 months after Novichok was smeared across his letterbox. 9 September 2019.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2b397f6130d6442bdd2b51e70c67110b787e76314f98bb814f5e5322ec950329.jpg

    The home of former Russian spy Sergei Skripal has finally been declared safe enough for him to sell 18 months after Novichok was posted through his letterbox.

    Ex-double agent Sergei Skripal, 68, was left in a critical condition when his Salisbury home was contaminated with nerve agent on March 4 last year.

    Is this ignorance on the part of the author or are they moving the goalposts? As we all know it was supposedly sprayed on the door handle, which is ringed in the accompanying photograph though no one has been foolish enough to describe how this might be done without dropping dead yourself! The warning tapes and signs have been removed so as not to alarm the neighbours and the policewoman has obviously been instructed to stand upwind from this lethal compound! I would be happy to give the Estate Agents my personal endorsement for the safety of any potential buyer. You have more chance of dying of the Black Death!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7442969/Sergei-Skripals-Salisbury-home-declared-safe-following-18-month-clean-up.html

  47. Something must have happened on the Brexit front. This page is jumping up and down with glee. Whenever I upvote or post something.
    (Okay, okay, I know it may be Firefox).

    1. I use Firefox on my elderly laptop and it does jump about a lot. It’s been behaving reasonably well since I rebooted it the other day.

      1. Very apposite.

        Moronicism* and the increasing moronicization* of the human species continues to grow exponentially, day by day.

        [*Hand’s off! I’m patenting these words! :•) ]

          2. Fabienne: “Whose is the motorcycle, Butch?”
            Butch: “It’s not a motorcycle, Baby, it’s a chopper.”
            Fabienne: “Whose is the chopper, Butch?”
            Butch: “Zed’s.”
            Fabienne: “Who’s ‘Zed’, Butch?”
            Butch: “Zed’s dead, Baby. Zed’s dead!”

      2. That was bleak. But very well made. Melancholic as hell, but true for some. I wouldn’t watch that one if I was feeling “down.”

        There are still real people left though, who know when to turn their phones off. 🙂

        I only use mine as an alarm clock and as backup in case the car breaks down in the middle of nowhere.

  49. Yo All

    …..and today’s Runners Up for the Darwin Awards are our MPs

    The Government has been urged to introduce a nationwide ban on parking on pavements due to concerns that cars are clogging up streets in an “unsightly and obstructive” way.

    MPs have urged ministers to follow London in outlawing the practice,warning that pavement parking is having an increasingly detrimental impact on elderly and disabled people.

    Two BTL

    Willie Heckerslike 9 Sep 2019 7:20AM
    Now the roads get even more clogged up. Genius. These MPs need to be disposed of and turned into glue

    Wyatt Van Mann 9 Sep 2019 7:26AM@Willie Heckerslike
    Never thought of turning them into glue, that would make them useful, but could you trust it to work?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/08/mps-push-nationwide-ban-pavement-parking/

      1. Not everywhere – some councils have delineated parking on half the pavement and half on the road in some localities….

      2. Only when it causes an obstruction to pedestrians.
        If a pedestrian is able to get by the misparked vehicle, then there is no obstruction.

        1. Yes, but not only pedestrians, BoB – wheelchairs, pushchairs, mobility scooters, the blind and poorly sighted…

  50. FAKE NEWS-

    Sam Coates Sky

    @SamCoatesSky

    Exc: No10 has seen polling that means if there was an election now, Boris Johnson would do worse than Theresa May, according to Jason Stein, who was a Tory special advisor and Amber Rudd aide until Saturday night

  52. Morning, Campers.
    Latest bulletin attached to Allan Towers railings. Laptop is now in recovery and responding – somewhat woozily – to physiotherapy; to continue the analogy – a light, nourishing diet, rumblings internal and is now pottering around the bedroom.
    I found this article rather interesting; all together now “Despite Brexit”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/09/08/dechra-launch-first-of-its-kind-livestock-pain-relief-product/

    “Dechra plans pain relief product for piglets, lambs and calves
    Julia Bradshaw

    Dechra is applying for regulatory approval for Tri-Solfen for applications including piglet castration

    A Chesire-based pharmaceutical company is set to launch a pain relief medication for piglets, lambs and calves that promises to significantly improve welfare for these animals.

    Dechra Pharmaceuticals, a FTSE 250 company that is worth just over £3bn, will launch Tri-Solfen in the UK and Europe and then the rest of the world in the next 18 months.

    It is a gel that contains both a short-acting and a long-acting anaesthetic, adrenaline to stop blood flow and an anti-infective to promote healing and create a protective barrier against infection. It is inexpensive and easy to use as it can be sprayed on to a wound by farmers without the help of a vet.

    “It’s a very simple idea but hugely effective,” said Ian Page, chief executive of Dechra. “There are injectable pain killers and some other topical anaesthetics, but nothing specifically developed for animals. The bizarre thing about this is that for many years I don’t think we realised how painful these procedures are to animals and now animal welfare is becoming more and more important.”

    Dechra is applying for regulatory approval to launch Tri-Solfen in four instances: during castration for piglets (male pigs have their testicles removed to prevent their meat from developing a flavour known as “boar taint”); in lambs when they have their tails docked; in calves when they have their horns removed; and in sheep when they have the skin removed below the anus to stop blowflies from infecting them.

    The treatment has been used in Australia and New Zealand for years, but it has never been registered elsewhere, partly because it’s difficult to get a medical product with more than one active ingredient approved.

    More than 80m sheep and cattle in Australia and New Zealand have benefitted from Tri-Solfen, with nearly three-quarters of sheep now regularly treated with it when their tails are docked.

    “This will massively improve animal welfare in Europe and the rest of the world and the market opportunity is huge for us,” said Mr Page.

    “Germany was going to make piglet castration pain relief compulsory from 2019, but had to pull back the legislation as there was no affordable solution on the market. This is a very affordable, easy solution.”

    Tri-Solfen is owned by a company called Medical Ethics, in which Dechra has a 48pc stake. It owns the marketing rights for Tri-Solfen outside Australia and New Zealand.

    Annual sales of the product could eventually be in the tens of millions of pounds, Mr Page added.

    Shares in Dechra started the year at just under £21 and closed on Friday at £30.36.”

    1. Morning Anne

      There are some things in life that are so shocking , that I feel as if i might want to become a vegan..

      Why has farming become so coldly barbaric and clinical .

      1. These are farming practices that have existed for hundreds of years.
        All this company is doing is making the process more humane.
        Look up the word ‘dagging’.

  53. Good afternoon, all.

    Taking a lead from all our ‘gourmand’ NoTTLers, who so very generously share with us the minutiae of their daily diet, here’s my recent food-related experience.

    Mrs. Mac has found a recipe online for something called Bryndzové Halušky with smoked bacon, which she tells me she would like to make. She tells me it’s the National Dish of Slovakia and it’ll make a fine change from mince and tatties. She has hit a snag though; sheep’s milk is an essential part of the dish.

    Do you think I can find somewhere local, or indeed anywhere in Scotland, that sells sheep’s milk? Not a chance! And yet absurdly, here we are, in the hills, surrounded by sheep. Sheep to the left, sheep to the right, everywhere you look you see feckin’ sheep. It’s a sheep spotter’s idea of heaven but , mystifyingly, not one of these ubiquitous flocks is being farmed for dairy products.

    Nearest place I can find is a farm in Lancashire that sells the stuff online and it’s quite costly. They will send sheep’s milk, P&P included, for the price of £9.99 for a two litre pack which, I think, works out at more than seven times the price of cow’s milk. Bah to that!

    So I’m thinking, what a business opportunity this could be for Scotland’s entrepreneurs. We have the sheep and all that’s lacking is the experience in milking them. I shall be writing to Fergus Ewing MSP, Cabinet Secretary for Rural Development, suggesting the Scottish Government send a delegation to Bratislava to set up a recruitment drive aimed at Slovakian milkmaids, whose skills will be needed to get the industry up and running. If the will is there, Scotland could very well become one of the leading producers of top-quality sheep’s milk in Europe.

    1. There is also a good market in cheese made from sheep’s milk, so you could be onto a winner.

    2. Ask the local Muslim community. I hear that they do all sorts of things with sheep. Milking could be one of them.

    3. Are there any artisan cheese makers in your neck of the woods making sheep milk cheese – if so you may be able to blag some milk…

    4. Roquefort, the world’s best cheese, is made from ewe’s milk.

      [Point of order: if it is “cow’s milk” then, by continuance, it has to be “ewe’s milk” (not “sheep’s milk”) since rams (and bulls) do not produce milk.]

          2. I saw that for the first time a few days back. They are all 50 years older but still as tight and talented as ever.

          3. Didn’t The Rolling Stones have a song about sheep in Scotland?

            Hey, Macleod, get off of my ewe.

          1. I’d seen the comments below but I was putting a slightly different slant on the meaning of Nanny, if you get my drift – wot posh people have, like.

      4. I do not think the quality of Roquefort is as good as it used to be. many french cheeses are just not so good anymore.

        1. It’s because of what happens to them during transport & storage in the warehouses, Johnny.

          When i was a student 50 years ago, I could buy a Camembert or Brie & leave it to melt into a honey-like goo with a wonderful aroma. Nowadays they just go hard & rubbery.

    6. Grizzly is the gourmand, Northern diet. Lard with everything. I’m a gourmet. Light sauces and fine seafood. :o)

      Bryndzové Halušky sounds very nice but i think Mrs Mac could substitute the sheeps milk for Philadelphia.

      2. Gourmet, eh?

        Sounds to me, Philip, that you might be an advocate of Michel Guérard’s Cuisine Minceur [Food for Mincers?], which started the revolution in lighter meals without heavy sauces.

        1. Having looked at the recipe closer it looks like the milk is to make curds. Which can be homemade from other sources. I understand Mrs Macs wish for perfection though. If it’s not authentic then it isn’t anything.

      1. I’m afraid that wouldn’t do, Peddy, it has to be sheep’s milk to produce the real thing. Mrs. Mac is quite insistent on that.

      2. It’s not “goat’s milk” [see above], it is nanny’s milk, since billies do not provide milk.

        2. Appleby’s Cheshire.
          One of just a few producers still making traditional handmade Cheshire, family-run Appleby’s still bandages its wheels rather than waxing them.

  55. DT: The Weekend on Television (review):

    Here in the UK, the public face of anti-semitism has, more recently at least, become associated with the hard left. Elsewhere, though, especially in America, anti-semitism retains its traditional position as one of the most repulsive features of far-right politics. Last night’s Conspiracy Files: the Billionaire Global Mastermind (BBC Two) was a fascinating dissection of one of its most bizarre current manifestations, the demonisation of US investor George Soros.

    Soros, a Hungarian-born Holocaust survivor, used to be known here as “the man who broke the Bank of England” following Black Monday in 1992 (from which he bagged an estimated $1billion). Nowadays he’s better known for giving his money away – in excess of $32billion, largely, we were told, to humanitarian causes.

    Conspiracy Files explored why this “liberal” billionaire so infuriates the conspiracy theorists and far-right fanatics who inhabit the extreme end of American politics, and who regularly accuse him of everything from backing left-wing coups to secretly funding the vast migration flows of our age. It comprehensively demonstrated how most of what Soros is accused of is utterly without foundation and so counter-intuitive as to be risible. At its best this report brought into clear view the fact that resurgent anti-semitism is what lies at the heart of Soros becoming the go-to whipping-boy for far-right groups. “It’s a reprise of every antisemitic trope of the 1930s” said Michael Ignatieff, president of the Sorosfunded Central European University.

    Or, as another contributor said: “It’s always useful to have an all-purpose bogeyman so you don’t have to produce any well-thought out arguments for opposing something.”

    Ugly as much of what this film revealed was, it did offer one consolation to anyone feeling battered by our own current political mayhem: the realisation of how just far behind we are here in terms of sheer political nastiness compared to the US.

      1. You can see why the globalists are so desperate to remove democracy from our countries, and make us like the other totalitarian states where the word has no real meaning. It is to stop people such as Mr Farage publicly pointing out that many of those in the EU are on the take.

        It would be so much easier for the EU if there were no democratic elections in our countries, which is what they are aiming for in the future. But the people have noticed and the EU are running out of time.

    2. I watched the first five minutes. Couldn’t stand any more. They began by saying that Soros was born in Hungary of Jewish parents and escaped the Holocaust, then swiftly moved on without acknowledging what Soros himself openly admitted in the CBS “60 Minutes” interview – that he was a Nazi collaborator and only concerned with saving his own skin. As an atheist globalist, he has done a great deal to hurt religious Jews generally and Israel in particular. Opposing that is in no way anti-Semitic.

      1. Good afternoon, Sue.

        I believe G.Soros’ father enhanced his fortune by buying the gold fillings from the
        extermination camps……….I don’t like to even write this, it fills me with horror.

      2. Hi, Sue.

        I didn’t watch the programme but I only posted the TV review to stimulate a bit of discussion since it appeared to go against everything mentioned on this forum about the man.

    3. I don’t dislike people like Soros or Lammy because of religion or colour. I dislike them for the fact that one was a collaborator and the other is a total plank. I’ll leave you to decide which is which.

    4. Black Monday ruined this country. I’m not surprised he was behind it.

      However… bluntly, cheap arguments, empty statements and insults are the province of the Left. Always have been, always will be.

      Again, there is NO far right. There is only the Left. A hate fuelled, miserable, spoiled group of arrogant, egotistical effluent who are so dementedly self righteous they cannot see how twisted and idiotic their ideas are. Nasty, vicious, fascist, anti semitic, racist, abusive sewage.

      Nothing changes. Hitler was a loon, Corbyn’s no different.

  57. An example of BBC reporting, re the attack on Iranian forces in Syria –

    ”
    Warplanes have struck positions of Iran-backed militias near Syria’s border with Iraq, activists say.

    The
    Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based monitoring group, said
    at least 18 Iranian and pro-Iranian fighters were killed.

    It was not clear who carried out the overnight strikes in and around the town of Albu Kamal.

    But Israel has carried out hundreds of attacks on Iranian-linked targets in Syria during the country’s civil war.”

    Now perhaps you can tell me why the BBC automatically say that although no information is available as to who carried out the attack, it was, by implication, Israel; ? Their guess may well be right, but I would have thought that journalism should wait until the facts are known.

    1. There have been several reports over the years from “The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based monitoring group” and so they were looked at to see how extensive their operation was. It turned out back then to be one man living in a flat in London who had not been to Syria in years, but he did have a telephone so that he could ring people in the country to find out what was happening.

      What a pillar of unbiased information. Our media know this full well, but they keep using that title that he has given himself.

      1. In war, all news is biased and untrustworthy. If this ” organisation” did not exist, the media would invent one.

    2. Journalists don’t do facts any more, just speculation. “Might”, “Could” and similar weasel words litter the reports that are just sensationalist drivel aimed at clickbait.
      Edit: Lost the “n’t” off “don’t”. Put it back to make better sense.

  58. One for any old soldiers on here…

    Henry V was in Agincourt advancing with his army towards the French when one of his men was hit by an arrow. Hal called for his scribe saying “I must get a message back to England at once.” He dictated his message to the scribe and sealed it with wax and the royal seal and called for his best rider and fastest horse.
    “My man, take this message with God’s speed back to the Privy Council in London. Let no-one hinder your passage for this of great importance they get this message asap. (Or whatever they said in them days).

    The rider took the message, jumped aboard the fastest horse and galloped North until his horse could go no further. He went to a village to exchange his horse, fought the Lord of the manor for the fastest horse in the stables and, slightly wounded, continued North.

    This he did three times as his horses became exhausted, suffering injury in each fight, until he reached the Channel.

    He found a boatsman and drawing his sword, ordered the sailor to take him across the water to England.
    On reaching shore, he went to the first village and again fought for the fastest horse in the stables. Injured again, be rode as fast as possible to London.

    He arrived in London, exhausted and bloody and said “Take me to the Privy Council. I have a message from the King.”

    When he finally handed over the scroll, still sealed, to the councillors he collapsed. The councillor op-ed the scroll, read the message and said “Thank you, that will be all.”

    The rider was sure he should take a message back to the King and so asked the councillor. “No. No reply, that will be all.” He was told.

    “But Sire, with your leave, I have ridden for five days, have fought for the ten fastest horses in the land to bring this message to you. Might I ask what the message was?”

    The councillor threw the scroll to the rider – he opened it and read Contact. Wait, out.

  60. Seems pretty certain that a deal is going to be done by the 18th it does seem to me as if a deal has already been………..

  62. Thought of an election slogan for Boris today while I was out in the car listening to the obfuscation and propaganda

    Boris’s election slogan should be,
    Tough on EU treason.
    Tough on the causes of EU treason

  64. If the Queen assents to the Benn Bill today she will knowingly be exposing herself to the The offence of assisting an offender.

    But that’s OK because she is above the law – well UK law anyway.

  65. Don’t know if this has been aired today but what if

    Boris doesn’t send the surrender notice to Brussels asking for and extension? Is he in breach of the Benn Law and will be taken to Court for not obeying the law?

    Boris is found guilty of not following the law as passed by the UK Parliament.

    Boris appeals the case to the Supreme Court who confirm his guilt as he hasn’t complied with UK law.

    Boris takes the matter to the ECJ because if he complied with UK law he would be breaching EU law as Article 50 has No Deal as the default position. EU law takes precedence over UK law.

    What would happen?

    1. As someone pointed out this morning on the radio, we already have a law stating that we will leave on October 31st, so Boris is buggered whatever he does.

    2. I’m hoping the “surrender bill” will be rendered dead if the royal assent comes after prorogation takes effect tonight.

      2. Easily done. One moment, your enjoying a wee dram in the Sergeants’ Mess, next thing you know, they send you off to kill people ……

        3. Touch a nerve did i?

          An impressive collection Grizz. I see you have the best. I also see you have Simon Hopkinson. Excellent.

          I don’t rate Nigel Slater so much. He always seemed to be frying everything in a pan…normally leftovers with a fried egg on top.

          I have most of the others except the more esotoric ones like Bush Tucker. Larousse and Escoffier are my bibles though i don’t try to cook like that everday.

          1. I agree about Nigel; he’s good for the odd snack. The only one I don’t use is Gary Rhodes, who is as insufferable as he is overrated (“Put an actual spoonful in the actual pan and give it an actual stir!”) and his recipes are pale copies of better ones by better chefs.

            My most-used one is an old Good Housekeeping Cooking for Today from the 1970s. It has a host of classics and I learnt a great deal from it.

            It also helps having a younger chef brother—who has held head chefships at many top country house hotels in the UK (including some holding Michelin stars and with M. Albert Roux as the patron); top restaurants in Sydney; and is now head of fine-dining at Emirates Airline (following similar rôles at Qantas and Cathay Pacific)—to give me culinary advice and keep me on my toes. :•)

          4. I’m impressed. Two Gros Bonnets in one family. :o)

            The Roux do a fantastic job with their scholarships. They have brought on and promoted many fine chefs. Utmost respect to them.

          5. I have a cookery book and a grand dinner menu by M. Albert, each personally signed for me.

            The Roux Brothers also trained my favourite chef: Pierre Koffman.

          6. Now you are really making me jealous. Along with the Elizabeth David i will send you another book which a man of your epicurean standards would not want to be without.

          7. My goodness. It appears I’ve found a soulmate in fine dining.

            I’m not really all lard, cowheel and tripe. :•)

        6. It’s nice to see books that have obviously been well used and some familiar names on the spines!

        7. Hey, Grizzly, where is your copy of my book: “Baked Potatoes, Fruit Crumble and other delicacies” by Elsie Bloodaxe?!?!?

          1. But … I don’t like baked potatoes. I adore roast potatoes. Send me a copy of Roast Potatoes, Plum Crumble and Iced Gems and I’ll be putty in your window!

        8. Your photos spurred me into doing a count and it appears we have 126 cookery books (including a Fanny, a Mrs Beaton, and the Woman’s Suffrage Cookery Book). However, my favourite one is “Cookery for Men Only by Wilson Midgley” – for obvious reasons….

          4. One of the most intriguing ones is in older editions of Larousse. Fist dig a fire pit 4 feet in diameter…..it goes on to describe how to cook an Elephant’s foot…..

          6. If you’ve got as far as “First catch your elephant” – I guess you could use one of the tusks?

          10. I don’t know, digging a huge trench with your fist might be easy for Rainbow warriors but less so for the rest of us.

          19. Don’t knock Marguerite. She was the cook who kept Britain sane during the war and just afterwards. Her culinary skills were certainly on a different plane to talentless wanqueurs like master Oliver.

          20. Dear God – what’s they matter with you? I was NOT knocking her. I have all her cookbooks. For years in the 50s and 60s I relied on her and E David (of whom you have apparently never heard).

          22. Even I have a copy of Mrs Beaton’s cookery book. Isabella Beaton was born on Epsom racecourse – her father was the clerk of the course.

          24. No Pride well it is a tad gay in parts even the intro might be misconstrued….:”A master cook! He is the man of men”. Ben Jonson

      1. Hence: “Mr Bercow said if there was no early election, it was important that an “experienced figure” chaired debates in the final week of October leading up to the UK’s possible exit from the EU.”

        1. Quite. He’s left himself a few get-out clauses and I don’t trust him an inch.

          Exit means exit, ha ha; I’ll believe it when he’s gone.

    2. You mean he is going as soon as he can see that Brexit has been foiled and we are in the safe hands of the EU ?

      1. Precisely. Proof of Bercow’s partisanship was the standing applause on the opposition benches and from the clique of deselected Tories still sitting inexplicably on the government benches, compared with the seated silence from the Tory benches.

        Hillary Benn’s tribute to Bercow required the sick bag.

        1. Bercow’s tribute to himself was nauseating. He shall not be missed. His wife and his children were in the gallery.

          1. Gove’s tribute is pretty nauseating too:

            “Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove also pays tribute to Mr Bercow, praising his “unwavering” commitment to his principles and his constituents.
            He adds he has “personally appreciated” his efforts to empower backbench MPs.

          2. Peter Bone’s was similar. He said he had reformed parliament. Now someones praising him for his behaviour after the death of Jo Cox. Steve Baker, if you believe, has praised him. Bercow is lapping it up. I’ve seen enough.

          4. Shame because Gove is otherwise one of the brighter members, all advantage spoilt by what seems a complete lack of self awareness or dare I say honour. He comes across as the oleaginous schoolboy creep.

          6. As Mark Francois wrote of another MP:

            “I cannot adequately put into words, really I can’t John, how much I think of what you have done for your country – and I’m sure that many of your colleagues now feel absolutely the same”.

  75. Re Bercow.

    As Speaker he might have too many faults to list here, but he did do a very good job getting out to schools and colleges explaining the role and functioning of Parliament.

    He was better than his predecessors in that capacity.

    1. Is that the same parliament as the parliament which has pretty well wrecked Britain, sosy ?

        1. In which case, maybe it would be desirable to retain the ”institution” but abolish the governments ?

          2. Now come on, sosy…. your reply implied that ”governments” have ”pretty well wrecked Britain”… so why would you want to retain something so destructive ?

          4. Would anyone honestly, genuinely notice?

            Heck, the wasters have done nothing for three years. Nothing changed. Couldn’t we just send them all on holiday after the election? Say for five years, to a luxury hotel with one door?

    2. He deserves no credit for that, Sos. It’s easy enough to explain the functioning of Parliament when you make up its rules as you go along.

      1. I disagree, he has made great efforts to go out to future voters and explain how it all works.

        I separate what he did in Parliament as Speaker, which I despise, with what he did as an ambassador.

          1. Good question.

            Either way, the more young people understand how it works the better the chance that they might not vote as instructed.

    3. The truth is that he found it easier and more fulfilling to try to indoctrinate the youth of our country. The man remains an utter shit and anti-democratic authoritarian. He thinks himself of some superior intelligence whereas in truth he is the idiot’s idiot.

      1. Agreed, but the more the people at the top of the trees associate, the more likely it becomes that those they seek to indoctrinate will see them for what they are.

      1. Doc? (The others are, from left to right, Dopey, Sneezy, Happy, Grumpy, Bashful and Sleepy.

  77. A subject that I tend to bang on about: article from Unherd.

    https://unherd.com/2019/09/the-schools-that-britain-forgot/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups%5B0%5D=18743&tl_period_type=3

    The schools that Britain forgot
    Techs were created to educate a new class
    Peter Franklin

    Last week, children across the country headed back to school; we asked our contributors to do the same. In this series, our writers share some lessons they learned at school – and how it shaped the way they think about education today.

    This year is the 75th anniversary of the 1944 Education Act. Among other things, Rab Butler’s landmark legislation established universal access to secondary education. In the post-war years, the state system was made up of two unequal parts – the selective grammar schools for children who took and passed the 11 plus exam; and secondary moderns for the majority who didn’t. 1965 marked the start of a new phase – the introduction of comprehensives, which supposedly abolished the great divide.

    Of course, that’s to massively over-simplify what really happened. Nothing in the world of UK education is straightforward. After all, this is a country where ‘public schools’ are in fact private. As for comprehensives, their introduction wasn’t comprehensive. There’s always been a degree of devolution in the state system, which is why the grammar schools survived in some parts of the country.

    The biggest pocket of resistance was, and still is, the county of Kent – which is where I grew up. My secondary school was Tunbridge Wells Grammar School for Boys, which sounds posh, but wasn’t. In fact, it’s real name (i.e. the one that most people used most of the time) was the unposh-sounding ‘Tech’.

    That’s because it didn’t start off as a grammar, but a ‘secondary technical’ or ‘technical high’ school – an all-but-forgotten experiment that exposes one of the great failures of British education policy.

    The old bipartite system of grammars and secondary moderns was originally meant to be a tripartite system.

    The grammars, modelled on the public (i.e. private) schools, were there to supply recruits to a broadened-out ruling class, which in the 20th century had become more meritocratic than aristocratic. The secondary moderns were all about schooling the workers, white collar as well as blue – and, ideally, both literate and numerate. To this updated version of the class system was added a third element, one that didn’t really fit in with the old categories of rulers and ruled.

    Winston Churchill once said that scientists should be “on tap, but not on top”. He was certainly right that the country needed a lot of them – plus engineers and technologists too. Both commerce and industry would grind to a halt without the advanced application of the arts and sciences, so an army of highly skilled workers was required. But where would this new technical class come from?

    The grammars and the public (private) schools, with their traditional focus on the classics, were not seen as best suited to the purpose. It being the 20th century, scientific and technical subjects weren’t excluded from the curriculum, but their teaching was more a matter of abstract knowledge than applicable know-how. There was also a lingering hint of British intellectual snobbery – a sense that the kind of technical education demanded by the modern world was nevertheless unbefitting of gentlefolk.

    Hence the logic of the technical schools – a place for bright kids who wouldn’t mind getting their hands dirty. The tripartite system of post-war secondary education was thus a class hierarchy – with the technical high schools making up the middle layer.

    Well, that was the theory; in practice, the middle layer got squeezed out. Implementation of the 1944 Act was left to local authorities, and provision tended to polarise between the grammars and the secondary moderns. Even before the advent of the comprehensives, the technical schools never accounted for more than 3% of the secondary school population.

    Once again, Kent was an outlier. The county made a serious attempt to make the tripartite system work, setting up all three types of school. This is how my school came into being – established in 1956 as Tunbridge Wells Technical High School for Boys (or ‘Tech’ for short). However, by the time I got there, in the early 80s, it had become a grammar in all but name. The subsequent name change was a mere formality.

    It was also symbolic of the erosion of class distinctions – especially those between the traditional and technical professions. The British have long had a tendency to associate the word ‘engineer’ with greasy overalls, but in the post-war years the penny began to drop – we would need more than Oxbridge-educated classicists to prosper in the modern world. With the UK losing ground to the resurgent German, Japanese and French economies, our leaders decided that we had to embrace the “white heat of technology“.

    Of course, the way in which the establishment conferred esteem upon the relevant occupations was to drag more and more of them into the academic route of A levels followed by higher education. Thus instead of sending their alumni directly into employment or to technical colleges, the secondary technical schools were increasingly supplying the universities. Amid all that technological white heat, the distinction with the traditional grammars had evaporated.

    In many ways, what I received at Tech was a conventional academic education. And yet the school’s origins set it apart from the older grammar schools. The architecture was post-war plate glass, not Victorian red brick. There was no Latin or Greek, but quite a lot of woodwork and metalwork. There was a school uniform, but no ‘houses’. Corporal punishment was still legal at the time, but seldom used – the theoretical possibility served as sufficient deterrent.

    There were prefects, but without much power – and as younger boys we weren’t afraid of them. Bullying, if it happened at all, was almost always verbal, very rarely physical. If it did happen, the thing to do was fight back: the teachers would intervene, but not make a big thing about it. Overall there was about as much order as one could reasonably expect from 800 boys.

    Looking back, I can see how Tech pulled off a balancing act – academic rigour without stuffiness, aspiration without pretension, discipline without terror.

    Of course, it helped that we were in a prosperous part of the country – one that did well out of the Thatcher revolution. However, we weren’t, most of us, sons of privilege – at least not class privilege.

    As boys tend to do, we’d ask each other what our dads did for a living, and, as far as I can remember, it was jobs like postman, fire fighter, land surveyor, customs officer, sub postmaster. There weren’t many lawyers, doctors or even teachers among our folks.

    If we ended up going to university, we were usually the first in our family to do so. And yet there was no particular fuss made about that fact. Nor was there much fuss made about not going to university – a degree was just one among many options to be taken as appropriate (and, it must be said, without loading our young shoulders with student debt). We weren’t burdened with overly pushy parents or teachers either. On the other hand, there was no hostility to academic achievement among the pupils. You could be picked on for many reasons – but not for being a swot.

    In recent years, the grammar schools of Kent have become a political football. Various Right wingers promise to ‘bring back’ grammar schools (to places that don’t have them), while various Left wingers promise to abolish them. For my part, I’ll always be grateful to a school that pushed me when I needed it, but without ever crushing me. The unstuffy grammar school that Tech had become suited me well.

    Still, I regret the disappearance of the old technical high schools. Not because setting children on a fixed route aged 11 or 13 was ever the right way forward, but because the techs represented a serious, systematic attempt to cater for the needs of intelligent, but practically-minded, children.

    While other countries, notably Germany and Switzerland, have created impressive systems of technical education, Britain lags behind. The academically-minded benefit from the UK’s world-beating universities, but many parts of our country are held back by some of the lowest skill levels in western Europe.

    To quote the words that often appeared on my school reports, we “must try harder”.

      1. My secondary school was the City of Bath Technical School. All of my schoolmasters had degrees earned from illustrious universities such as Durham, Oxford, Cambridge, London UCL, Bristol and Sheffield to name a few from their colours. At morning assemblies my masters would wear gowns and colours as they processed to the dais or platform.

        Had I not won a place at the Technical School I would probably have wound up at the boy’s secondary Westhill. This was s truly awful secondary guaranteeing failure in any prospect of a fruitful outside life.

        The headmaster was a corrupt and stupid man: Dann, Dann the Dirty Old Man was the refrain at that time. He ruined both of my brothers who had the misfortune of attending that corrupted dump.

        By contrast my fellow pupils at the Technical School excelled both in sport and academically. Half of the Upper Sixth went on to University and others secured employment in local industrial companies such as Stothert & Pitt in Bath and Westinghouse in Swindon etc.,

    2. Colchester had a Technical College named after the scientist and physician, William Gilberd who was born in the town. It formed the mid tier until like most selective schools it succumbed to comprehensive vandalism. The town is fortunate that it still retains an ‘Institute’ that deals with a wide range of educational needs including matters technical.

      A Google search for Gilberd picked out the new school and after looking at three pages of search I refined my search to, ‘Who was Gilberd,’ to try and find this great man of science.

      Gilberd was educated at St John’s College, Cambridge. He is described by expert Stephen Pumfrey as a ‘scientific hero’.

      ‘… The reputation of William Gilbert (1544-1603) as a great scientific mind traditionally rests on three foundations, all of which are evident in the only book he published, the seminal De Magnete [On the Loadstone] (London, 1600). First, he discovered that the Earth was a giant magnet and, in order to establish the fact, inaugurated the modern science of magnetism. Secondly, he rightly boasted that the method evident in De Magnete was experimental, a radical break with the more textual methods used by his scholastic contemporaries. Finally, he distinguished between magnetism and electricity, which had hitherto been paired as similar, occult attractive principles; he even coined the noun electricitas, which was rapidly Englished as “electricity”. Gilbert [has] been heroised as “the first experimental scientist”, and he would come first, chronologically, in many surveys of scientific minds …’ (Stephen Pumfrey, ‘William Gilbert’, in Cambridge Scientific Minds, edited by Peter Harman and Simon Mitton, 2002, pp 6-20.)

      Gilberd practised as a physician in London from 1573, from his house near St Paul’s Cathedral, and he became president of the Royal College of Physicians in 1600. In 1601, he was appointed physician to queen Elizabeth I and, when she died in 1603, to king James I. He was also an astronomer: he had a very modern view on the universe and agreed with Copernicus that the Earth rotates on its axis.

      Dr David Tilley, formerly of the University of Essex, writes that Gilberd is known as the ‘Father of Electrical Science’, but that he has an even greater reputation as the father of magnetism and geomagnetism, and hence geophysics: ‘… Some say that Gilberd was also the father of modern science, because De Magnete was the first work in which all the conclusions were based on experiment, thus establishing the scientific method …’

      The Colchester Archaeologist – The Great William Gilberd

      1. I spent a decade of my (later) life at The Gilberd School – and I have lots of photocopies to prove it!

    3. Kent wasn’t that much of an outlier. When I was in my last term in primary school on Merseyside in the ’50’s, my parents received a form listing the secondary education alternatives available, and requested they be put in order. There was the local grammar, local tech, sec mod and the local public school (whose entrance exams I had taken in addition to the 11+).

      Britain had one more “technical education” convulsion – the creation of the Colleges of Advanced Technology, 4 year institutions that handed out Dip Techs. Although the academics were the same as an engineering or science degree at a conventional university, industry sponsorship – both with equipment and footing the students’ fees, was standard as was the requirement to put in practical work in parallel with the theoretical studies.

      Like the tech schools, they went too – or rather they became universities and lost their tech focus.

    5. Worcestershire also tried Tech schools. My grammar school had originally been a tech school. We did distinct sciences and had the relevant labs as well as workshops for woodwork and metal work. As it was co-ed, the girls had domestic science and needlework. We also had streams which took “commerce”, although I’ve no idea what that entailed as I was in the A stream.

      2. They don’t make water but they do know the date beyond which it is unsafe to drink after it has taken 5,000 years to percolate down through the rock to their spring.

          1. It is said that if the water stays too long in the plastic bottles, it starts to absorb some of the nasties in the plastic.

    2. Yo Rik

      I had a Colonoscopy this morning and demand all Royalties accrued by the above phottie

      In fact, I will look into it all further

  83. The bercow to step down by 31st Oct, be a hard act to follow & a hard person to take the chair, who have they in mind ?

      1. Afternoon B,
        It was rumoured not so long back that a certain “hard person” was doing the rounds.

      2. Ann would be my choice but she is no longer an MP. The Labour Party will presumably push for Harriet Harman but my choice would be Kate Hoey if she could be persuaded to step up.

          3. I was thinking more along the lines of yer Roman Legions – our troops will be over in France assisting the CRS (not that they need much help….)

    3. Cripes alive, no.

      No more extensions, no more fiddling. No more holding the nation hostage. Smack the wasters in the face, no deal brexit at the end of October.

      1. Apparently he stands down tonight if they vote for an election (pur-leeese!!) or at the latest on 31st October. Clearly, he couldn’t stand being in Westminster in a post-Brexit world. The sunlight of freedom would probably make him spontaneously combust!

        1. He’s made comments re experience that give him a get-in clause to stay on if we’re still “negotiating” after 31st.
          I do not trust him.

    4. He doesn’t need to shut up. The BBC are aiming a microphone at him. They could turn the sound down or switch it off but that doesn’t suit their bias.

    5. If he has a job, why is he not doing it?

      If he doesn’t have a job and is a welfareist, stop his benefits. He should be out working.

      He should be interviewed and asked his opinions on the endlessly destructive things the EU does.

    6. Yup but who is paying the prat? Someone described him as having leather lungs. I reckon he has a leather hide too.

      Edit: Unbelievable that this prat is from Port Talbot where the steelworks is under threat by EU policies which seek as ever to emasculate UK steelmaking and other heavy industries and transfer our jobs to Germany and Eastern Europe.

    1. It’s a sad sign of the times, but it’s not such a bad idea. Same goes for acid attack victims.

    2. That image is wrong. White girls are not at risk. The black ones though, their the primar targets.

      But I doubt they could show that for fear of making it wretchedly clear that it is blacks killing blacks that’s the problem.

  90. Technical question. This arvo, using Chrome, NoTTL has started leaping and gibbering across the screen.

    But is seems OK on Firefox.

    Is there a reason for the buggerment?

          1. The main fish are “dorade” – a sort of Sea Bass. I see them every day. In the market they go for about £25 a kilo……so we don’t have it every day!!

          4. I thought you were a shark, don’tcha catch yer own?

            Oops, sorry, silly question, a retired shark.

          5. Yawns – youo ought to pause, once in a while, and reflect how unpleasant these comments are.

          7. On the contrary. I am just fed up with this endless sort of sniping. You may think it hilarious. I don’t. So just give it a rest.

          11. What can we joke about. Sheds, ladders, Trombetti and sharks all a no no. Do you want us to talk to you at all? :o(

          16. Au contraire – the MR fluttered her eyelashes and they were eating out of her hand (to mix several metaphors)… Fish in yer France is EXPENSIVE.

          17. Indeed, but at a fraction of the price the Greeks charge in any harbour-side taverna.

            I always warn friends never to order fresh fish without establishing what it will cost, particularly in Piraeus

    1. Surely Boris will not present this law, if passed, to the Queen for her assent. They will probably want to carry on with Parliament for a few days more.

    1. I watched this at lunchtime…he ran rings around FiveBellies. Hugely enjoyable, and probably on iPlayer for any who missed it. Steve Baker is da man!

      2. He migh have been – but declined to take a job under johnson – which might have helped us Leavers.

      1. Wonder if Hair-Cut Git’s missus screwed his cousin. They would have something else in common.

    9. What a vomit inducing spectacle of the HoC applauding that little turds resignation speech not to mention the speech itself. How my TV survived I don’t know

      3. My computer screen survived because have read the first couple of comments I knew I couldn’t trust myself to put Parliament TV on….

      2. S poof account usually has (Parody) in title. Which is very apt in terms of the characters involved.

    3. Is she offering to donate him a pair? I would have thought that a pair of stilts might be more useful.

  97. Can’t wait to see who Goldfinger sends down the chute to the shark tank first when they are recalled to HQ

        1. Ve stuff zem vith ze Germolish !

          The European Commission will announce that English is to be officially phased out in favour of EU Germolish……

          The consequences for the English language are as follows………..

          In the first year, ‘s’ will replace the soft ‘c’ as in sivil servants. The hard ‘c’ will be dropped in favour of the ‘k’, which should klear up some konfusion and allow one key less on keyboards.

          There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome ‘ph’ will be replaced with ‘f’, making words like ‘fotograf’ 20% shorter.

          In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling.

          Also, al wil agre that the horible silent ‘e’, as in disgrasful, should be removed.

          By the fourth year, the publik wil be reseptiv to steps such as kompletely replasing ‘th’ with ‘z’ and ‘w’ with ‘v’.

          During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary ‘o’ kan be dropd from vords kontaining ‘ou’, such as you, and similar changes vud of kurs be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters. After ze fif yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl ! Zer vil be no mor trubls or difikultis and everivun vil find it ezi to understand ech ozer…

          Ze Drem Vil Finali Kom Tru !

  98. That is me for today. Heavy rain forecast for all tomorrow. Then back to normal sunshine on Wed – when we walk along the coast to Monaco to see the huge classic yots. Thursday, to Ventimiglia market again for cheese, ham, veg, pasta…… Followed by yer swimming.

    Have a lovely evening pretending to be bercough.

    A demain

  99. While we’re distracted……

    A significant arms cache, including a sniper rifle, a silencer and

    tracer rounds linked to the banned terrorist group al-Muhajiroun have

    been found in Coventry, the Observer can reveal.

    “Officers from the West Midlands Counter Terrorism Unit and

    MI5 are investigating the weapons haul, which also includes a shotgun

    and 200 rounds of ammunition, following raids at several addresses in

    the city.

    A statement from West Midlands Police, which assists the regional

    counter-terrorism unit, said: “Firearms and ammunition were recovered

    during the raids and a police investigation is ongoing.” Four men have

    been arrested, one of whom has links to the al-Muhajiroun network,

    according to sources. The group, active in the UK since the mid-1980s,

    disappeared after the July 2005 attacks on London, but maintained a

    presence under various different names. It was eventually banned in 2009

    under legislation outlawing “glorification” of terrorism.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/08/police-raid-arms-terror-group

      1. I think that that “still” is taken from a video; the video is a wonder to behold in terms of community cooperation.

        1. It is amazing what you can achieve when you have a society based on helping each other and building people up. Instead of one where you tear people down and kill them if they don’t agree exactly with the way that you think.

          This is why our society must be pulled apart by those who want to control us. It is too successful, and happy contented people won’t bow down to tyrants. It is also why we will beat them. We have a lot of history and community to fight for. 🙂

          2. It helps that the Amish are respected by their non-Amish neighbours and the local government in their areas. So, they can get on with living their lives with minimal interference from professional (and amateur) busybodies. The furniture, barns, etc., that they sell are solid, not at all trendy, but built to last a lifetime.

            Their working and meeting together is well illustrated by the name of a town in the middle of Pennsylvania Amish country – Intercourse.

        2. The thriller film, The Witness, about a murder hunt and police corruption is based in a USA Amish community where the witness is a Amish boy. It shows how the community works together and a big wooden building is shown being built in a day. I think Brad Pitt is the detective hero. A good film. edited to name the film.Edited again to take the H out of Amish. I am getting like Dianne Abbott

          2. Sos – it seems a bit more elaborate than the one in the film but there were many workers , but fewer in the film. The women flocked to provide wth food and drink. The Hamish were mocked by the locals and tourists who came to take photographs which they hated. The detective hammered a few of the taunters and quietened them down.

          4. Harrison Ford.
            In one episode in the film his character is seen making a pigeon house, in fact the pigeon house was actually made by Ford himself.

          5. Thanks Bob I mix up these two characters. I have the DVD but it is upstairs and I am just in from my last cycle ride of the day. Hope all is going well for you and yours. The Sutton Bank road is closed until the weekend as work is done checking the cliff rock face for stability – an annual event,

          7. I too have done very little today, except go to the cinema with the Wrinklier to watch “Mrs Lowry and Son”. An excellent film starring Vanessa Redgrave and Timothy Spall. I can recommend it whole-heartedly.

          8. Amish. Anabaptists, related to the Mennonites. The film starred Harrison Ford and Kelly McGillis.

          10. I had a wonderful three days in the town of Intercourse (formerly “Cross Keys”) in 1983.

            The Good and Plenty restaurant was wonderful and the food was delicious.

          11. One of my favourite cookery books (displayed on the photos of my bookshelves, earlier today) is the Mennonite Community Cookbook, favorite [sic] family recipes, by Mary Anna Showalter.

          12. Lots of Mennonites locally. We see them in the stores locally all the time – men always wear hats, and tend to dress in black, women with “sensible” dresses and shoes, and wearing bonnets. Not as restrictive as the Amish in terms of how they live – cars, tractors, etc., are all OK for them.

            We have a Showalter Road about 10 minutes away – Amish country is about an hour’s trip.

          14. Bloody sex maniacs these Amish. The village of Intercourse is located in Leacock township and is described on its website as:

            a hub where many Amish and local folks do their business.

            I just hope they don’t do it in the streets and frighten the horses.

          17. Clydesider: The film you refer to is called “Witness”, directed in 1985 by Peter Weir and starring Kelly McGillis as the mother of the little boy who witnesses the crime. It is set in an American Amish community (not Hamish, who is a Scotsman!) and the leading actor was not Brad Pitt but Harrison Ford. The villain of the piece is Danny Glover, the “buddy” of detective Mel Gibson in the Lethal Weapon series of comedy thrillers. It is an excellent film and one of my all-time favourites.

            EDIT: Just came back on this site 5 minutes ago and read your post of 2 hours ago. I posted my correction with more details, then scrolled down and have just seen that most of what I said had been posted at the same. Apologies for the repeat information.

    3. I’ll bet the Guardian managed to go an entire article without mentioning the words Muslim or immigration.

  100. I have a fervent wish to make any reference to “The People” a capital offence.

    It is particularly nauseating to hear it routinely mentioned in the House of Commons (by members of all parties), when they should properly be speaking about THE ELECTORATE.

    “The People” will forever have Socialist, nay, Communist, overtones.

    3. We used to read The People in school. Full of lascivious stories about our elders and “betters”. It was The people that educated us about the Duchess of Argyll – and Polaroid cameras. Not at all commie – that was the Daily Worker.

      It’s actually a bit weird that in the UK only the Left talk about “the people” – in the US you will hear the term right across the political spectrum.

    4. The new Surrender Act 2019 has a Schedule in which Boris is supposed to send a letter to Donald Tusk and to address him as ‘Mr President’. POTUS he ain’t, and even Mrs May called him Donald. But Remainers probably see Eurocrats as the Leaders of their (fantasy) post-democratic future.

  101. Thought for the day.

    In the after-life you will log on to Nottle and discover that nothing has changed.

    3. This presupposes that, when I shuffle off this mortal coil, I’ll be allowed to take the laptop. Also that Heaven (Hell, prolly), has decent broadband…

      1. Close, but no cigar.

        (Hell, polly)

        Heaven is whatever you wish it to be. Hell is the opposite.

          1. Having phones and wifi on planes and trains is a mistake. When I used to travel a lot, being incommunicado when flying or on a train was bliss.

        2. We all have – before the mobile phone was invented, and computers were safely tucked away in computer rooms.

  102. The Duke of Cambridge plans to train as a volunteer counsellor for text crisis service Shout, he has said, as he launches a special hotline for the emergency services.

    The Duke said he “really wants” to learn how to answer text messages from those in need, acknowledging that the “distressing” things firefighters, police officers and paramedics see every day must catch up with them

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/09/09/prince-william-plans-train-text-crisis-counsellor-launches-new/

    Has William missed his calling … should he have gone into the church?

    1. Traditionally the Church the vocation of the third-born. The second-born is the spare to the heir.

      2. I always thought it was the eldest who inherited, the second went into the military and the third took the cloth.

    2. I strangely think he has a clerical look about him.
      I can imagine William as a curate in a villiage church,
      he has that way about him.

    1. I just want us to leave. If that means cutting traitorous, undemocratic MPs from the picture entirely, so be it.

      1. They are acting a game. They do not know what they are doing. They are in one of those plays where you make up the plot and the words as you go along.

      2. I do not watch these things anymore. Much as Jacob Rees-Mogg probably does, I find listening to Remainers meaninglessly bleating on and on is very tiring. From the things that I have seen others type here, there is one possibility that springs to mind.

        Many of these Remainers know that they are going to be unemployed very soon and no-one is going to take any notice of what they say after that. Parliament is also closing for a few weeks now for conference season. This might be the last time for some of them to get up and see themselves on TV. They are vain enough to care about such things, instead of getting on with real life and the things that matter.

        1. I agree. The pipsqueaks seek an audience but whilst having nothing of relevance to say have been very grateful to Speaker Bercow who has allowed them a stage upon which to spout their irrelevances, albeit just for a few irrelevant minutes at most.

          I suppose we could admire Speaker Bercow for having given non-entities a chance to proclaim their irrelevant biases. The truth however is that we have heard all of this nonsense before, under various guises.

          We have without exception heard every single opposite view to Brexit. All have been defeated. we the people have asserted our vision of sovereignty, not the sovereignty of Parliament as such but of a desired Parliament of the People.

          We presently enjoy a ghastly mishmash of corrupted and corruptible individuals but the law remains with the people: you and me.

          1. Let’s hope you’re right, but I still fear that the minority will overcome the majority with the connivance of the swamp.

  106. Bercow making a personal statement which sounds like his swansong. He will go at the end of this Parliament or 31 October but is quite a confused, self celebratory and lengthy statement that I may have picked it up incorrectly. He did say he was the MPs Backstop and didn’t want to see any MP being severely whipped.

    1. Well traditionally no candidate has been put up against the Speaker in elections but the Constatives have said they will be fielding a candidate against hi which would have meant he would have gone anyway

      1. ”
        the Constatives” ? Tell them not to worry. Everyone gets a bit of constipation now and again.

        You must mean the Conservatives.
        Like the Lib-Dems are called the ” laxatives “

      2. UKIP candidate Nigel Farage stepped down from leadership of his then party to stand against the Speaker in 2010 when Nigel almost died as the plane he was flying in on Election Day got entangled in a banner and caused the plane to crash to the ground. Ever since, he has been suffering with back pain.

    2. As usual with Bercow he was attempting to score a few points off the government benches and (being the vain popinjay that he is) pretending to humour.

      He is presumably relishing his own imminent elevation to the Lords as a Baron or whatever and that ghastly two-timing wife of his as a Lady (of Repute). Pisses you right off this political circus doesn’t it?

    1. I would say John Redwood was more measured and Blackford was more into his usual anti Boris rant. Boris is nowhere to be seen and the opposition are baying for blood. Jo Swinson is on now. It is not going well.

        1. Yes quite 😉 intelligent people speak because they
          have something to say whereas fools speak because they
          have to say something, over and over again .

  110. If we do leave on 31st October, what are all these awful Remainers in Parliament going to do ? Are they going to support the country or emigrate to EU-land and take up arms against us ?

    1. It depends.
      If we leave with a slightly tweaked May’s WA and PD they will be singing from the rooftops.They will have won.

      If we leave with WTO, cleanly, they will be doing their damndest to undermine the UK.

      1. If Johnson ties us into May’s WA/PD I can’t see the Tories surviving. Once the effects of being under the EU’s cosh without the right to complain and being forced to pay heavily for the privilege Boris’s ratings will plummet and he will be finished. He’s lost a good portion of the Remain faction in his party, is he prepared to lose the ERG? He will not have a party to lead if he carries on in his current manner.
        The only light in the current darkness is that with the Remainers stirring everything up the EU may decide they do not have to do away with the Backstop and they can wait and see what falls out from all the machinations in the HoC. The Backstop is their Holy Grail as it gives the EU the power to lock the UK in for good and literally do what they will with us: there’s no exit clause from this treacherous piece of work from May/Robbins.

          1. I have suspected that for some time. His wittering on about tweaks to the backstop and then we can do a deal set alarm bells ringing. Not May’s deal in any way, shape or form!

        2. The moment Johnson brings that awful treaty back to parliament for a 4th try, then all bets are off. Any true Brexiteers should defect to the Brexit Party, and every one of the 17.4m should vote Brexit Party, regardless of former party affiliations.

          I would love for my doubts to be wrong, I would love to believe that this is all a game and Johnson will ‘reluctantly’ go for No Deal. But if he believes that a clean-break Brexit would be a “failure of statecraft” then he really is Theresa May in trousers.

          1. Evening JK,
            What I have been posting for since the
            24/6/2016 the difference being I was calling for 17.4 million UKIP boost.

  112. I’m watching here and listening from the other screen. If I hear the expression ” the rule of law ” spoken by Remainer again I shall scream and sccream and scream ….

  113. Evening, all. I should have thought the danger lay in not supporting the result of a majority vote, so supporting a pledge to deliver it, come what may, is pretty unexceptional. Mind you, we do live in interesting times, as the old Chinese curse has it.

  115. I was reading this morning about President Putin shutting up the opposition, but with our opposition in mind I was wondering what he was doing wrong.

  117. Good night, a Saxon Queen must hit the haystack,
    she has clearly missed lots of political entanglements over
    the last week .

  118. Arrived back home a few hours ago, it’s cold, wet and windy
    and autumn colours have already appeared here with our
    woodland. Not so in lovely mild Devon .

    Very pleased that inflated puffed up egotistical fool Bercow is stepping
    down. He lowered the office of Speaker and was never unbias,
    wretched little dwarf .

      1. Yes quite. M25 even more unpleasant in heavy rain
        and atrocious drivers. Spotted one of those speed camera vans
        driving along as fast as possible .

        And there were lighted notices popping up on those sections
        that warn you of delays, pointing out the EU freight changes in regards
        to trucks that will come into play on the 1st November and
        notices pointing out the changes of driving laws in regards to the EU.
        I was rather surprised to see all that, I didn’t notice the such down to
        Devon.

          1. Husband likes to make it as difficult as possible,
            or seems to anyway, I don’t argue and he obeyes
            the beloved sat nav.

          5. I was about to suggest something like that, only picking up the A45 from Oxford, calling into Jack’s Hill Cafe at Towcester for a decent lorry driver’s meal, and then picking up the A14 at Kettering.

  119. Just popping back in to drop this off

    “We are living through times that will feature large in the history
    texts of the future. These are times as portentous as those of 1688 or
    1848. This time we are not fighting a Catholic monarch or a wealthy
    land-owning oligarchy for control of our lives and futures, but an elite
    of globalist supranationalists who would trade away nation and people for petty self-advantage….

    So why don’t they just accept the democratic vote of 17.4 million people and give up then? Why can’t they accept losing?”

    Because
    they don’t understand what losing is. What one needs to understand is
    the Remain element of the HoC, and their supporters outside it (which
    are not all Remainers by far, just the vocal ones) are all members of
    the same class – the one who for 30 years, ever since
    Thatcher
    basically, have been the winners of the political game. They are the
    sort of people who swan from politics to heading large charities, from
    heading quangos to think tanks, to well paid media jobs, to running NHS
    trusts, or whatever. They all swim in the same sea, move in the same
    circles. They are the movers and shakers in State funded circles. They
    consider they run the country, and for 30 years its always moved in the
    direction they agree with. Yes there might be a nominal Conservative
    government every now and again, but none of them ever do anything to
    reverse the flow of more regulation, more State control of
    everything,
    more immigration, more taxes, more public spending, more European
    integration. A Tory government might slow the advance a bit, but the
    direction of travel always remains the same.

    So in their
    heads they have decided that what they want is the only way the country
    can move in. Its just the natural state of affairs to them. Anything
    else is immoral as far as they are concerned. Just suggesting slowing
    down the speed of travel generates plenty of vitriol at those who dare
    to question them, the very idea that someone might throw the supertanker
    into reverse doesn’t even fit in their comprehension.

    All of
    this isn’t really about the pros and cons of being in a supra-national
    body such as the EU any more. Its about a political class being faced
    for the first time ever with the word ‘No’. Its so discombobulated them,
    the mask has slipped. No longer are the usual platitudes about
    ‘working families’ and ‘democratic choice’ even paid lip service. They
    have been thrown out as their naked desire for power is exposed. Its
    become a nothing less than a power struggle – who is to govern, the
    People, or the Political Class? That’s why they can’t let Brexit happen,
    not because of any specific arguments about it, but because its become
    an existential fight – if they lose it they lose everything.

    After
    all…if the voters can force the political class to leave the EU
    against their will, what other ideas might the people get ?”

    1. Rik,
      I still maintain they,the politicos could NOT have done so much damage over the decades without support via the ballot booth,the continuing “vote for the best of the worst”
      over the years has caused a great deal of damage.

      1. Victim blaming the electorate for being lied to is akin to victim blaming girls for falling victim to the ‘grooming gangs’, and definitely does not do anything to pave the way forward.
        If the electorate ( victim ) really is to blame for being brainwashed & lied to,then as a self proclaimed elector of many decades, who knew ( 60’s / 70’s? ) before the UK became captive to the EEC / EU, then YOU are 100% guilty of failing ( miserably, for decades! ) to pave the way forward by not informing your fellow electors of the deceptions.

    1. Just do what the Attorney General did when asked to release his legal advice to May – redact everything.

  124. What future have we if our Parliament succombs to a dictatorship of the Remainers ? As seems suddenly more and more likely.

          3. Having never tried either I will bow to your wisdom. I have seen some of those “living in the wild” programs, and they do seem to use a LOT of seasoning with the rabbit. Which does bode ill for the natural taste.

          4. I’v a vague and distant recollection of, I think, one of those wartime Just William stories, where he steals some ( cooked) chicken from a posh hotel to give to a poorly friend, and it turns out to be rabbit, which caused quite a fracas.Anyone remember that ?

          7. There was a place in the Covered Market in Oxford that would have rows of birds hanging outside of the shop. They were all fully feathered back in those days while the ones in the picture below would seem to have been plucked. It might be a sign of the times as fewer people know how to pluck a bird these days. I would look at a video just to see someone else doing it in case there were any tips, such as, “make sure you are wearing boots and don’t squeeze the bird too hard in the middle…”

            I had some of the best burgers that I ever bought from that shop.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aa35400b3a0e2dbdd829dfbfab0ed02d3a9c984978495d58f6634c0444f4bf7d.jpg

          8. Just in case there are any young people peeking into this channel to see what Brexiteers say to each other – These birds were killed to be eaten. They were raised and died for a reason. They were not shot for sport and then discarded. That is very different. Eating meat is not a sin, no matter what your your militant vegan friends may tell you.

          10. My mother was a keen churchgoer and there was a butcher in the congregation.
            It turned out that his shop was really struggling and she offered my services as a butcher’s boy at a few bob a week.
            I learned how to pluck chickens and turkeys, estimate and prepare sausages at eight to the pound straight from the mincer, cut meat and bone joints. It served me well over the years.
            I made up the orders and did the deliveries, using one of those splendid small wheel big basket bicycles and developed a hatred for free range geese which took a delight in attacking me on the bike.
            Great experiences.

            He won and I won. His shop survived and prospered and I learned life skills.

          11. In the division of labour which operated in my home when I was a child, my father killed the hens that had gone past laying, I plucked them and my mother drew and cooked them.

          14. You can starve to death if you only eat rabbit; it leads to malnutrition. Something to be aware of if you have to survive in the wild 🙂

      1. As we progress through life we are assailed by many changes that run contrary to our notions of what’s right and proper but the the one enduring human characteristic that gives me hope for the future is the eons long bond between mother and child and our ability to recognise this as portrayed in the illustration above. I’m a tad more whimsical than usual tonight probably due to Welsh whisky taken to deaden the B***** Bol**x

        1. It’s one of the reasons why I stop to look at it every day.
          It isn’t just a part of the background here, it has “meaning”

      2. Hmm, looks like it might be a marble low relief, 15th century style, probably sculpted in Florence. Extraordinarily beautiful and tactile, reminds me a bit of the work of Donatello, though probably made by someone more obscure.
        If genuine, it would have been produced well before Columbus set sail for the Indies in 1492; do you know if there are any er, labels on the back?

        1. You’re close but it is plaster. I doubt it is genuine but it is a very, very good copy of a piece by Desiderio.

    1. I’m not reading it until they translate it into English –

      “The society is increasingly turning their attention ”

      My neighbour’s pet rabbit knows more about English Grammar than they do. Or thems does ?

          4. It’s a hell of a lot more than 27 miles further south than my part of England, and I’m an hour’s drive south of the border. My home is on the same latitude, give or take a few minutes as Ayr.

    1. Incredible evening’s entertainment. Thank g-d things like that don’t happen in our country.
      Oh….I forgot ……..:-)

    2. Good night, T_B. I stayed up to watch because it was such a seminal evening in our country’s history. But I am glad that Parliament does not now meet again until the Queen’s Speech on October the 14th; it gives me the chance to enjoy a month of early nights! And I sincerely hope that during that interval of time Boris and his team are able to hatch some strategies to move forward with Brexit on October the 31st which will be more effective than those hatched by the Remainers in their attempt to keep us indefinitely in the EU.

      1. Such rudeness and the breakdown of Parliament.. it was terrible , really a very bad example, that speaker lost it completely , there were placards and rowdiness before the government went in to the Lords .. the opposition stayed where they were in the HoC ..

        Bad bad bad, and Corbyn’s crowd are shocking . The Tories didn’t return to the HoC after they had been to the Lords , so only the Opposition stayed behind to shake hands and bid farewell to the speaker .

        I am glad I witnessed the terrible show of bad behaviour, but my feelings about all politicians is well and truly shaken and negative.

        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7445963/Scuffles-break-Speakers-chair-amid-attempts-shut-Parliament.html

          2. Hmmm, there’s a Labour fellah extolling the qualities of Bercow. So I’m out. Had enough, preferred the open mic. These politicians do not represent me or mine. ‘Night.

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