Tuesday 8 December: Shops should soon bar entry to anyone without a vaccination passport

Posted on by Geoff Graham

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/12/08/lettersshops-should-soon-bar-entry-anyone-without-vaccination/

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      1. 327308+ up ticks,
        morning C,
        Until he tells me on the horn so,
        it is in the non believable department.

  3. Normal service has been resumed…here’s part of Charles Moore’s column again:

    In BBC parlance, a “breakthrough” in EU negotiations always means agreement, regardless of whether what is agreed is any good for Britain. Thus a surrender can be hailed as a victory – and would be this week, even if (which seems highly unlikely) we gave away all our fish plus Northern Ireland. As the talks verge on collapse, with Boris Johnson taking the high risk of flying to Brussels, let me propose a different definition of the word “breakthrough”.

    In the long, uncomfortable years of our membership, EU negotiations of all kinds were bedevilled by the British failure to understand how the continentals thought. We said their grand schemes of a single currency, European government etc were “for the birds”. We thought what really mattered – to them, as to us – were economic advantages.

    We were wrong, although our partners were naturally keen to snatch economic advantages along the way. The continentals saw the EU as their destiny (and still do). They bickered about pace and detail, but not about direction of travel. We British, on the other hand, were agnostic about destination. We didn’t know where we wanted to go. So we annoyed our partners by being obstructive, and damaged ourselves by trading our long-term contentment for short-term gain. The Single European Act, for instance, won us more market access, but put us more in thrall to EU power.

    When the British people voted to leave, it was the continentals’ turn to misunderstand. They were upset, but did not think Britain would fully depart. The issues would be fudged, as they had so often been with British leaders before. Theresa May’s period in office seemed to confirm their view.

    Even today – despite Brexit following Mr Johnson’s resounding election victory a year ago – Michel Barnier and other Brussels grandees have difficulty in grasping that, as David Dimbleby prematurely put it on referendum night 2016, we’re out. We mean it; and if Boris turns out not to, he will have no political future.

    The paradox is that only by accepting the extent of our disagreement can both sides reach an agreement which could stick. That would be the true breakthrough.

    Unlike all our previous efforts, the British negotiating team, under the able leadership of Lord Frost, now has a better understanding than the Brussels one. It knows that the bottom line on both sides is, in essence, the same. Neither the EU team nor the British one will compromise on its version of its sovereignty.

    So there is no point the EU thinking it can, in the latest French phrase, “unilaterally rebalance” (ie unbalance) tariffs if it does not like what we are up to, or split Northern Ireland from our customs territory or surrender the fishing waters we have just reclaimed. It’s a divorce: there is no going back. Recognise that, and there is just enough time to make it an amicable, clean break, not an ugly, ongoing wrangle.

      1. ‘Morning, Bill. Quite so, and it gets worse…I was able to read today’s DT Letters a while ago, but currently they have disappeared and only yesterday’s are available. Brekker calls…

  5. SIR — The late Queen Mary loathed ivy (Letters, December 7) and destroyed it whenever the opportunity arose.

    While living at Badminton during the Second World War, she mobilised not only many of her 60-plus staff, but also the small army of Forces personnel who protected her.

    David Pearson
    Haworth, West Yorkshire

    For the beneficial information of all such clueless idiots as Mary of Teck and her cretinous ilk: leave ivy alone! Ivy provides a vital roosting place for wrens and many other vulnerable small birds in winter. Stop wantonly destroying their necessary habitat to suit your vacuous whims!

    1. I wish you could lecture Moh about that.

      I have ivy on half of the garden wall, and when it flowers , the bees buzz, blackbirds and thrushes love the berries , and yes it also provides a hidey place for a pair of wrens .

      So many people strip their gardens of everything , so many look like boring spaces for boring looking bedding plants. Municipal gardens are at fault there, as they seem to lead by example!
      Morning Grizzly.

      1. I agree, Maggie. I’ve never been a lover of boring bedding plants (especially wallflowers. Ugh!). I much prefer an old-fashioned cottage garden and herbaceous border with trees and shrubs. Something for me to enjoy as well as the wildlife.

        1. We have based our garden on the words of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark:

          ‘Tis an unweeded garden that grows to seed. Things rank and gross in nature possess it merely.

          (I suppose I must be one of the things rank and gross in nature which possess it merely)

        2. We have based our garden on the words of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark:

          ‘Tis an unweeded garden that grows to seed. Things rank and gross in nature possess it merely.

          (I suppose I must be one of the things rank and gross in nature which possess it merely)

      2. vw changed the border in front a few years go from a moth eaten hedge into a herbaceous border with a few shrubs. We have been told that many people use it as a landmark when people come to visit, we’re on a corner. We still have penstemon flowering and primroses are beginning to flower. Would like to post a picture but Disqus won’t accept them. In the back garden we have the remains of 4 poppies that flowered in the past week or so. There is still one bud which, hopefully, the frost won’t get.

    2. Not a good thing to have on the walls of your house, particularly if it’s built of soft stone.

      1. Anne, Korky and William,

        Good morning.

        I am aware of the propensity of ivy to destroy walls and fencing (Victoria Creeper is much more beneficial) but such applications of ivy have invariably planted there by man, mainly to suit his vanity.

        Ivy has long been around in nature and when it cloaks oak trees (and similar) there is a symbiotic relationship between the plants. For Queen Mary to send out a small army to destroy every example of the plant on her massive estates is tantamount to utter stupidity, not to mention a crime against nature.

      2. We have two houses built of stone and we have a constant battle with the ivy.

        When we first came to Brittany, where many of the old houses are built of stone, we commissioned a French builder who specialised in renovating stone houses to work on the ruin in our garden which has been transformed into our students’ house. He told us that ivy was one of the chief causes of the destruction of stone walls.

        With the help of a stone mason builder friend from England who came to stay with us we then built the garage and the extension to our house ourselves. In the photo the Students’ house is on the left, the garage is between the two houses and the extension we built is on the right of the main house between the two chimneys.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4aff7689c77ce65c890ea10115e1738b6917180776ede00928fa1d40de14259a.jpg

    3. Ivy destroys wooden fencing, and the concrete posts, and I’ve recently stripped masses of the stuff from the fence and wild fruit trees at the top of my garden. Surprisingly, I did not find one nest amongst the stuff. In the right place I agree that it has its benefits but wrapping itself around fencing and fruit trees is not beneficial.

    4. When we lived in the boondocks, the ivy actually split the garden wall from the house.
      However, at the moment, I suspect parts of our suburban fence are being held up by the ivy.

    5. Saw a wren a couple of days ago when out walking the dog. Don’t see them very often.

      Edited to insert the missing indefinite article. Fingers not connected to the brain at the moment, obviously!

  6. SIR — I was delighted to see the picture of Boris Johnson (December 6) with a cup and saucer on his desk. I am appalled every morning to see BBC Breakfast presenters with mugs in their hands.

    Originating as I do from Staffordshire, home of the china and pottery industry, mugs were never part of my childhood home.

    Rosemary Longden
    Falmouth, Cornwall

    You need to get over yourself, Rosie dear! Cups and saucers have their place as do mugs, long the favoured receptacle for a beverage of the majority. Are you sure you do not have any more worthwhile topic on your mind to gripe to a national newspaper about?

    3. If Ms Longden looks, she will find that attractive and shapely bone china mugs are available.

          1. When I posted my comment I set a clock ticking waiting for the anticipated emergence of that.

            Ten minutes was quite a long wait!

        2. As did mine. Is this a northern thing? It used to make me wince – it sounded so pretentious. A beaker is what one uses with which to rinse the teeth after brushing.

          3. Actually so do I, life is too short to mess around with beakers; I was speaking traditionally…

  7. Hundreds pay respects at funeral of Chechen refugee who beheaded French teacher. 8 December 2020.

    Several hundred people attended the funeral on Friday in the village of Shalazhi, chanting prayers on their way to the cemetery, a video released by several media outlets showed.

    Salman Magamadov, the village chief, insisted in an interview with the Podyem media outlet on Monday that Anzorov received an ordinary burial without “any special honours.

    Of course they did. Here they proceed much more circumspectly but the sentiments are the same and of course it would not appear in the MSM!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/07/several-hundred-pay-respects-funeral-chechen-refugee-beheaded/

  9. Just watching Kevin Sinfield on the TV , who has run 7 marathons in seven days to raise money for those who are smitten down with MND. He finished yesterday .

    He has raised £1.8 million pounds .. what a strong wonderful young man , and of course , a typical good hearted rugby player.

    I do hope they find a cure for that terrible disease.

    1. It is one of those diseases that can be called evil. We know full well it hasn’t made a conscious decision to strike its victim, but there is something so inexorable about it, that it does seem to possess a wicked soul.

    4. A close friend of mine – a doctor who sailed with me across the Atlantic in my boat Raua – was diagnosed with MRD last Christmas. A tragedy – he is a wonderful man devoted to his wife and three sons.

    5. He’s the type of person who should be in an honours list. He won’t be included as he’s too white and did something that benefited people.

      2. 327308+ up ticks,
        Morning FA,
        It is in the category as of the foolish voters, best of the worst,
        party first regardless, nasal grippers.

    2. One of my favourites, from the days when we were allowed to sing. All our Christmas services are virtual this year, with the exception of Christmas Morning Communion, limited to 30 worshippers in each of two churches. Today was my last day at Glebe Cottage. I was somewhat surprised to find that I was expected to hand in my church keys. This is the first time since the age of fourteen that I’ve not been able to let myself into church to practice. Not happy.

  12. Panorama’s ‘Britain’s Wild Weather’ was the disappointment I expected it to be. It was little more than a 58-minute-long news broadcast of bad things happening to unfortunate people with projections of greater future calamity accepted unquestioningly. There was nothing in it that we haven’t seen or heard before, just more of it all at once. It offered nothing positive for the future, merely hectoring messages about cutting emissions and being prepared for ‘the consequences of a changing world’.

    If the BBC were serious about the subject it would make a series of programmes of the style and quality of ‘Horizon’ in its early days. They would cover:
    • climate and weather throughout human history and all of the forces at work thereon;
    • the historical scope and accuracy of meteorological data, including palaeoclimatology;
    • the worth of current mathematical modelling and predictions;
    • the looming energy crisis and the limitations of ‘renewables’, the availability of the raw materials required for some of those ‘renewables’ and the environmental consequences of their extraction;
    • the IPCC – its foundation and the politics of the leading figures at the time.

    I doubt that it’s capable. It would require the airing of opposing views. Even the mildest scepticism gives it a turn of the vapours.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000q5zz/panorama-britains-wild-weather

      1. I watched it having recently written to Country File (but no reply) about a proposed housing development in Hertfordshire.
        Recently they have been emphasising the the planting of trees and hedgerows. But this development, if it is allowed to go ahead, (which looks likely because to the huge profits to be made. Will mean hundreds of mature trees being felled and adjacent agricultural land being concreted over. And of course all of the associated wild life will be completely wiped out. Google ‘Save Symondshyde’ and you can read about it.

        Last nights programme deliberately ignored the real reason for climate change but mentioned it had been happening for 60 years. That’s not a coincidence as it is approximately how long the felling of billions of trees has been taking place on the planet on three continents. And still it goes on. Of course the rain clouds will gather in places other than above the areas that were once forests. They didn’t dare go as a far as mentioning the prime culprits who are mainly responsible for the increase in carbon in the atmosphere i.e. the middle east, the far east and especially China. With its dozens of coal fired power stations.
        China who have encouraged the production of cheaper than Australia (their previous market) can produce, beef cattle in south America which has lead to more rainforest being cut down to increase the size of the herds. No mention of ll the recent housing developments in England, only that some of the villages are susceptible to flooding. No mention of the huge increase in carbon caused by these housing developments such as the one i mentioned above. I have said it many times, but it’s blatantly obvious that it’s corporate greed that is wrecking the planet. It’s really that simple to understand. But alas never mentioned.

        1. Had a “frank exchange of views” with my local county councillor last night about the effects of the building they are determined to foist on us, pointing out that even before the 1k+ extra houses we didn’t want or need were built we couldn’t cope. It was ignored, of course.

          1. Did you ask how much he might be taking in ‘consultation fees’ from the contractors. I know from experience that’s often the case. Did you remind him of the decimation of local wild life and the increased carbon footprint of your area. Does he know how much carbon is emitted during cement making, ballast and sand extraction, brick/roof tile making, timber felling and processing, glass making etc etc ? And how much more carbon will be emitted by all the new homes ? Increase in human waste disposal water usage, vehicle movements the list goes on.
            You would never believe what our parish council have just done Conners. The have removed all the dog-waste bins from the village and also from along side the local footpaths.
            Not a word of warning, not a phrase of consultation with the people who club together to pay their expenses and the salaries involved. Now they are suggesting that dog-waste, in it’s correct term ‘canine faeces’ should be deposited in green general rubbish bins. I emailed them to point out they had obviously not thought it through as there is an element of risk involving members of the public, especially local children, who in another article in the village magazine were promoting the care an attention the kids are being encouraged to take in litter picking and it’s placement of rubbish in the bins. Hydatid infections can be easily be caught from ‘dog waste’ especially if one of the thin bio degradable bags has split whilst being placed in the general waste bins. It is possible for a human to lose their eyesight if they become infected.
            A Stupid thing to do i’m sure that dog owners would have all made at least a 20 quid a year contribution to the disposal of the waste if the reason was financial. I think we will see even more left on the ground with filled bags hung on fences gates and tree branches whilst out walking.

  13. Morning all.
    Just as you might think that things can’t get any worse……Chris Rea’s car has failed it’s MOT…………

    1. 327308+ up ticks,
      Morning RE,
      Driving home for Christmas is out then, but £3 a month repair donations is in.

    1. Cochrane thanks for the Xmas card. Looking at the geezer’s lionels and platform shoes, this pic would be from the 1970s. Was this “East Germany’s” entrant for the Eurovision Song Contest? If not, it’s a school photo

      2. O’Brien opened his LBC diatribe against Brexit this morning with the above and how it is being manufactured in Belgium etc ad nauseam. As soon as YouTube booted up he was gone, and good riddance.

    2. I assume they arrived legally, and a good few years ago.
      My son’s oncologist is a Saudi Arabian who has lived and worked in GB for 17 years. We need to be more discriminating in who we allow to settle.

      1. I completely agree Anne. Unfortunately when I attempted to make that exact point last night, I was called a troll and then a lair by William S, who has done so again and received three upvotes!

          3. So what. I’ve been here for 4 years and posted on the DT back in the day and one thing that really pisses me off, is abusive far-right knobs.

          4. Your first reply: “And you are who or what, exactly?” Is there any reason for this dismissive tone?

        1. For 20 years I went to an optician* who had been adopted by a Scottish family. He was brown and had been born as, I think, a “Cape Coloured”. He retired about ten years ago. His daughter is a doctor.
          Our children were treated by an orthodontist who was originally from Syria.
          Alas, these who come here and fit in and contribute, are greatly outnumbered by the others.

          *When I discovered that I could no longer read the very small print I went to an optician in Berwick. He told me that the problem was my birthday – it was so long in the past. Very droll. I did not like his fancy waistcoat either.
          I found Mr Padahachee in Leith, in a small shop with a large pair of spectacles** outside. We got on well, chatted about family and stuff.
          One of the irritations of age is that other people retire.

          ** Shades of the “Great Gatsby”, they surely influenced my choice.

    3. I called you a liar because that’s what you are. Your style is so recognisable, provocation dressed up to look innocent. You’re not interested in the discussion, only the reaction, looking down on others from your assumed position of moral superiority, a noxious trait of the Guardianista.

      As for the picture: an immigrant boy made good in a foreign country. So what? Children are more adaptable in a new country than adults, and this one took advantage of the excellent German education system. His individual success is not an argument against criticism of the invasion of Europe by millions of immigrants, many of them illegal and hostile.

      1. I have now collapsed the whole diatribe that involves the cockroach (who is blocked) because it’s all an example of troll-feeding that amounts to a complete waste of space.

      2. So calling another poster a liar is now acceptable. Your style is so recognisable, aggression towards anyone with a different view.

          1. You’re meant to uphold the rules here Ndovu. So why don’t you uphold them and delete Stanier’s comment?

          2. I’ll delete the whole thread if you continue to antagonise other people.
            However, we’re all adults here, so I prefer to let comments stand and people can make up their own minds as to what is acceptable or not.

          3. That’s simply not true though is it. You are quick to delete my posts when you believe I’ve been rude, yet you are happy for WS to call me a lair, which is in direct contravention of the rules.

          4. The only time recently when I deleted your posts was a couple of weeks ago – and I deleted the whole exchange between you and Araminta.

          7. You just don’t see you bias do you? I was “very rude” to Bill after he was very rude to me! You, as with today’s exchange, focus solely on my replies after I’m abused. But hey if not enforcing thee rules keeps you happy, that’s fine, you’ll get a few upvotes.

          8. It’s clear to me, and to most others here, that you come here to disrupt discussion, to antagonise people; to goad them into responding.

            How many times have you been banned from this forum? You keep coming back under various guises, and eventually are banned or leave when you’ve upset enough people. You appear to have driven everyone else away now this morning.

          9. “You appear to have driven everyone else away now this morning.” Perhaps you should go and read last night’s comments and pause for a minute to think about whether it might just be that some of your ‘friends’ who chuck around the abuse. Perhaps you should wonder why this site keeps losing its more moderate posters whilst retaining those who believe in conspiracy theories and who are quick to abuse anyone with a contrary view. Perhaps you should also reflect on your role as a mod. But you won’t because you are part of the problem.

          10. But you are a liar (and you’ve misspelt the word three times) because your stated intentions were not honest. Your long record is evidence of that.

          12. Andy, in your own mind, you will always be right.
            But if you can’t be less abrasive, and less provocative, or less seemingly smug*, then you will never get on with others, and THAT is what you’re doing wrong, not any details about who called who what, or why. Life experience should have taught you that by now!

            It’s not about what you believe, it’s about how other people perceive what you’ve said.

            You seem to like debate, so PLEASE learn how to initiate a debate GRACEFULLY, without lobbing a grenade into the conversation, and following it up with several rounds of machine gun fire! (And the aim of a debate is not to grind your opponents into the mud either. )

            *Smugness about knowing one is right could be a personality trait. I have it (INTJ). What is your Myers-Briggs personality type?

          13. Blackbox, this site has rules. I may be abrasive, but that does not mean that the rules do not apply when it comes to people abusing me (nor the other more liberal people who post here). Unfortunately what we have here is 100% biased moderation; that’s the nub of my beef. Ndovu has repeatedly taken the side of the abusers when it comes to myself and others of a liberal persuasion. She spoils the forum by doing so and sends a very clear message to people whose views differ from her own. That should not be acceptable, but it appears to be and that is the problem. My request above was simple; sanction Stanier for calling me a liar. That point has been missed, deliberately.

          14. Sigh. It all seems perfectly obvious to me.
            You annoy people, and because that’s not explicitly disallowed in the rules, you think you ought to be able to get away with it without any come-back from other people.
            It’s not your views that are the bone of dissent, it’s how you put them across.
            I must return to work now – I realise I’m probably wasting my breath trying to persuade you, but being slightly socially awkward myself, I do hate to see someone buzzing around like a fly in a box in social situations.

        2. Here’s last night’s exchange.
          You: “I expect this won’t be appreciated by everyone, but some perhaps…”
          Me: “What’s your point?”
          You: “Posting a meme that I thought might lead to some debate.”

          Members may draw their own conclusions about your real intention.

        3. Here’s last night’s exchange.
          You: “I expect this won’t be appreciated by everyone, but some perhaps…”
          Me: “What’s your point?”
          You: “Posting a meme that I thought might lead to some debate.”

          Members may draw their own conclusions about your real intention.

          3. Here’s the full exchange:

            Cochrane: “I expect this won’t be appreciated by everyone, but some perhaps…”
            Stanier: “What’s your point?”
            Cochrane: “Posting a meme that I thought might lead to some debate.”
            Stanier: Bullshit, you liar.

            You can’t even be truthful about the exchnge.

          4. I think he was correct. You were not trying to create debate, but merely posting something pro-immigration purely to upset people.

            As many on here have said before, Immigration can be a good thing, but first it must be regulated and controlled, not the free for all we are seeing today.

          5. Except the last comment from William was posted this morning. He posted last night’s comments.

          6. No he didn’t. Last night’s exchange was:

            Cochrane: “I expect this won’t be appreciated by everyone, but some perhaps…”
            Stanier: “What’s your point?”

            You can’t even get that right.

          7. It wasn’t necessary to repeat the charge of liar because you’d already introduced it! I posted what led up to it.

        4. “Your style is so recognisable, aggression towards anyone with a different view.”

          I have had plenty of perfectly civil disagreements on here over the years. Those who get a dust-off usually deserve it.

      3. In medicine a pipette is often used so that a beneficial drip can be controlled when a flood would drown or poison.

        And so it is with immigration – we need an immigration pipette because we are being flooded, overwhelmed, poisoned and drowned by incompatible, alien cultures which refuse to integrate.

      1. My point is that immigration can be a good thing. A point lost on the person who called me a troll last night and even more lost on William Stanier who it appears is allowed to call me a liar (twice) without sanction.

        1. Indeed, immigration can be good, and I benefitted from it to immigrate to Norway as a specialist. What is not so good is the unfettered immigration of those without qualification, often even the ability to read, who are ten not able to assimilate into society and contribute, as opposed to just taking from society. That breeds resentment in the host as well as the immigrant, and no good comes of it. So, control & selection is needed.

          As far as calling you a liar, I don’t agree with them, but also don’t agree that such a level of insult needs policed by Mods. The denizens of NTTL are capable of making up their minds, and thus to censor opinion isn’t going to be a good start. If he/they had called you a f****** w****r m*********** , then I’d have done something about it if I saw it – and, since I’m usually early to bed (missing the worst of the bad tempers), I usually don’t see it.
          My suggestion is that you block the (hopefully few) who you don’t like to read posts from, and it makes life a lot easier.

        2. I have answered the point about immigration. Your response to that was to ignore it and complain about being called a liar.

        3. Immigration is not bad per se; it’s the type and quantity that are problematical. Banging on about how “immigration is good” when we can see for ourselves the harmful effects of the wrong sort is bound to leave you on a hiding to nothing.

    6. I’m not sure what your point is about the boy in the yellow shirt going on to invent a vaccine. There are thousands of similar ‘boys in yellow shirts’, from a similar background, in Rotherham and other provincial cities who have not discovered vaccines. They have diverted their inventiveness to other ’causes’.

      Do you have any comment on that? Just wondering.

    1. “Inadvertently” = “Deliberately, because I am superior and am above everyone else, the rules don’t apply to me.”

      1. Why not? I don’t care. It’s her life and choice as to how she lives.

        However she cannot now preach on how the restof us should. But again, the laws are made for ‘other people’ to obey. They don’t apply to the vaunted heroes of the party.

      1. Easier to ask forgiveness than consent and all that.

        Rules are for little people – like taxes. I don’t mind except for the screaming hypocrisy. Covid’s real, not a hoax, it is dangerous. That’s a fact. We only live once, in a risky environment. Another fact. That it should be our own individual choice as to how we face that risk is… while a fact, something the state is adamant to refuse us.

        1. Agreed, the C-19 Wuhan Virus is real and not a hoax and yes, it is dangerous, but is it as dangerous as the PTB would have us believe?

          Statistics and the evidence of a number of doctors and experts in the field of virology would have us believe otherwise and THAT is where the main hoax is being exposed.
          Also, the RT PCR test that is producing such a huch number of asymptomatic “cases” is the wrong tool for the job.

    5. How do these people have the bare faced cheek!

      However it just illustrates how bl..dy farcical this whole charade is if only everyone could see it.

      1. Compared with these odious slebs and journalists Cummings appears relatively innocent.

        I am sure that Princess Nut Nut is an ardent remainer determined to scupper a good Brexit. Without Cummings by his side Johnson has lost the lead in his pencil, the spring in his step, the mustard on his sausage and is a spent force which is why Nutjob insisted Cummings was removed. She prefers the men who service her to be subservient

        It occurs to me that Prince Harry and Johnson are very similar in that they have both become putty in the hands of tyrannical, manipulative women. Uxorious is the word for them both

      2. Compared with these odious slebs and journalists Cummings appears relatively innocent.

        I am sure that Princess Nut Nut is an ardent remainer determined to scupper a good Brexit. Without Cummings by his side Johnson has lost the lead in his pencil, the spring in his step, the mustard on his sausage and is a spent force which is why Nutjob insisted Cummings was removed. She prefers the men who service her to be subservient

        It occurs to me that Prince Harry and Johnson are very similar in that they have both become putty in the hands of tyrannical, manipulative women. Uxorious is the word for them both

  17. I was somewhat amused at the responses when there was difficulty in accessing this site today.

    If it had gone on any longer i was expecting such headlines as…

    Geoff abducted by Aliens ! Novochok suspected.

    Stock broker belt destroyed by Meteor shock !

    Rampaging elephants, many deaths !

    3. Light aircraft crashes into Dublin cemetery, hundreds dead and police say they may find more.

        1. I wonder why they don’t harvest the locusts for protein – grasshoppers are popular in some areas.

          1. grasshoppers yes, locusts, presumably for known historical reasons are just deemed pests. Am sure somewhere, locusts are eaten, not aware if it’s done in this part of the world. Fringes of Somalia, maybe

          4. Actually I have eaten locust in, of all places, Bath! The only food I’ve tried that came with a built in toothpick.

          10. for that you’ll have to validate with UN in their IDP Camps [non UN = concentration camps]. It’s the sort of gig the UN does, save spending any coin on those they’re supposed to help. WFP [What Food Problem / What’s For Pudding?] are still working on ration strength figures from WWII, which is why IDPs avoid them or if they’re forced to take daily ration, they collate it and sell it in markets

        2. Locust irruptions are part and parcel of nature and have occurred throughout history. There are, of course, greater ramifications in areas where the profligate, wanton and out-of-control breeding of humanity clashes with these natural phenomena.

          If humans had been so clever they would have learnt that.

          1. indeed but it’s FAO. Historically locusts appear early March. The FAO claim batches from earlier this year from Somalia is standard Utopian waffle. What is relevant is the areas mentioned by FAO are where they want funds. Not sure why, they are waste of rations. The last minor swarm [end March] got as far as the North Rift. Nbo I know we had the sum total of 1 locust. It’s only of “local interest” as everyone’s monitoring the slow changes in weather patterns here. As said before, nothing seismic

  19. Great BTL comment on the DT lead story about the Pfizer vaccine:

    Will all deaths that occur within 28 days of the jab be counted as ‘vaccine deaths?’ Can we have daily figures and graphs shown on the news?

    1. Shocking. The bastard is shedding crocodile tears of joy having hit the jackpot. Gates and Soros must be paying him millions for his services.

      1. corimm, while I agree he is a vile PoS it’s also possible that he is merely a WEF ideologue and a bit unstable with his deifying of Klaus Schwab as evidence. Whatever Wankcock’s motives or rewards isn’t Johnson also in on the plot as it was him who placed Wankcock in the position the latter now holds. If anyone believes that appointment was a chance event please call as I have a large bridge in London to sell you.

        1. They are all in it together.

          Government policy had nothing whatever to do with the health of the nation. They were caught in the headlights and followed the dodgy piss poor scientific advisors, craven people already invested in the drug companies and beholden to their creed.

          It will eventually end in real tears. I hope that the culprits receive long gaol sentences when the extent of their deception is finally laid bare.

          1. Initial policy was for ‘herd immunity’ but it would appear that someone twisted Johnson’s arm and he changed direction to lock-downs. And here we are.
            What the ‘twist’ was will likely never be revealed but it was designed to cause major economic harm and Johnson will continue with the policy until he is informed that it is time to stop. Then…

  24. Mr. A writes: “I did it to stimulate debate.”

    Replies:
    Mr. B: “Oh, come along now. Do you really expect us to believe that?”
    Mr. C: “Yeah, right…”
    Mr. D: “Bullshit.”
    Mr. E: “Liar!”

    Which of the respondents is doubting Mr. A’s veracity?

  25. DT Latest

    Brexit latest news: Talks could run on until Dec 31, Downing Street signals

    We were meant to have walked away several weeks ago.

    Every further delay is a further capitulation by the pathetic Mr Johnson which makes total surrender seem even more inevitable.

    The sooner this silly man together with his repulsive political party are buried for ever, face downwards, the better

    1. We should have given notice we were going to walk away four years ago! They can’t possibly need more time. If four years isn’t enough, neither will forty be. Out NOW.

  27. Socialist trud …

    Asked whether William and Kate’s visit should go-ahead, Wales’ health minister said: “I’m not particularly bothered or interested.”.

    Thanks, BLiar …

    And I ain’t bothered nor interested in your rools, chum …

      1. Whether he is a supporter of the Monarchy or not, all people deserve at least the minimum of respect. He brings shame to his office and position.

  28. The retired head of the Israeli Space Directorate has announced that extra terrestrials are here and have a secret base on Mars. He also said that they were in contact with the U.S and Israeli governments. He said they are not prepared to reveal themselves yet as humanity isn’t ready.

    Oh…and he’s flogging a book.

        1. Disqus wasn’t available to me for Nottle at just after 6 this morning until now. However, I could read Breitbart comments during that period. In my paranoia I thought THEY had rumbled me.😎

          1. Disqusting was down for maintenance when I logged on 03:00 this morning whilst sat up with a mug of tea after not being able to get back to sleep.

        2. Morning, Maggie.
          For the past couple of days, the Disqus sign-in box has appeared. I just click on the D and it realises I’m already signed in.
          No faff or a fiddle – particularly with those blasted Capchas.

    1. The BTL comments are – how shall we say – not terribly sympathetic to Obersturmbannfuhrer North’s idea.

      1. Thank God for that. How have people become so fanatical in so short a time? I have said to Alf I think we may have made our last trip to Dubai to see family – I fully expect airlines to demand proof of vaccination/test before allowing us to board the plane. As for the idiot who wants shops to demand that kind of proof … do they realise what they are asking?

      2. I see what you mean! There are also some good comments re ‘taking the knee” – could almost be from Nottlers! This one re vaccinations is one of the more restrained…

        The only way to stop this stupidity, and yes, discrimination is to NOT issue vaccine certificates from the off. There, job done. Let’s see how serious the government really are about not punishing those who like me, firmly believe that the vaccine has not been adequately tested.

      3. Afternoon, Anne.

        Signing on and using Judy’s login, I’ve added to the unsympathetic and I’m sure that I’ll find that AAllan has too!

    2. Well Mr North, if the vaccine works and you’ve been vaccinated why should you worry?

      And Mr Fleming, if the certificates are as secure as a national passport, will you be willing to pay £75 a go each time your certificate needs updating, plus the costs of vaccinations, possibly every few months so that there will be a clear record?

      1. I clicked the link at the top of this page; no access without subscription but if you reload the page and hit the esc key it seems to work!!

    5. Given the uncontrolled invasion of Britain by illegal immigrants one should not take what William Fleming, a former Border Force Senior Officer says too seriously.

      1. Certainly not, for all we know, he’s a traffic warden or librarian.

        Given BF responsibilities include:

        1. checking the immigration status of people arriving in and departing the UK [a week on the beaches around Dover]

        2. searching baggage, vehicles and cargo for illicit goods or illegal immigrants [a conversation in a 5 star hotel]

        3. patrolling the British coastline and searching vessels [nominally after illegal immigrants have departed and claimed asylum]

        4. gathering intelligence [questionable]

        5. alerting the police and security services to people of interest [EU Representatives]

    6. I do not understand this argument. If the ‘vaccine’ is simply a remedy, à la Lemsip for example, and does nothing more than ensure that the symptoms are less severe, then what is to stop the vaccinated passing it on to the unvaccinated, and what is the logical point in having a certificate?

        1. Not to mention more opportunities to curtail the freedom of the plebs. No paperwork? Non-person.

    7. Is the Border Farce officer implying that impersonation and forgery are common with passports?

  31. 327308+ up ticks,
    The problem is NOT everybody is voting for lab/lib/con so there WILL be a shortage of paedophiles / felons in some quarters, we as a three party coalition are doing our best with the daily intake to make up the shortfall.

    breitbart,
    ‘WHAT ABOUT MY DAUGHTER?’ ENGLISH VILLAGE BRACES FOR 500-MAN MIGRANT CAMP

    1. Well if she is a virgin, you can marry her off; if not, she will be raped to help provide the next generation of jihadis. Oh, same outcome really.

      1. Thanks Grizz. Four times last evening my airway went into spasm, I couldn’t take breath and felt I was suffocating. I am not inclined to panic but I was bluddy close.

        3. Don’t wait for the GP – next time call an ambulance. Hope you get the treatment needed

        4. Best of luck that they can find a suitable cure/improvement.

          It can be terrifying if such things happen, you did well not to panic.

    1. Well obviously not a problem – rules don’t apply to them! I wonder how much fuss Burley made about Cummings breaking the rules?

    1. “I feel so privileged to be the first person vaccinated against Covid-19, it’s the best early birthday present I could wish for because it means I can finally look forward to spending time with my family and friends in the New Year after being on my own for most of the year,” she said.
      I do hope she sees the New Year.

      1. This is what the vaccine she had contains.
        “What COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 contains
        The active substance is BNT162b2 RNA.
        After dilution, the vial contains 5 doses, of 0.3 mL with 30 micrograms mRNA each.
        The other ingredients are:
        – ALC-0315 = (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate),
        – ALC-0159 = 2[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide,
        – 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine,
        – cholesterol,
        – potassium chloride,
        – potassium dihydrogen phosphate,
        – sodium chloride,
        – disodium hydrogen phosphate dihydrate,
        – sucrose ”
        https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/940566/Information_for_UK_recipients_on_Pfizer_BioNTech_COVID-19_vaccine.pdf

      2. 327308+ up ticks,
        Morning JN,
        Remember lab/lib/con & their actions in recent past years ?
        Have we learnt nothing ?

  35. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0483c27a3331bbb02e3cebed91c934b34776526f1525f2e333555e1b005ec614.png Breakdancing has beaten squash, chess, cross-country running, parkour and cue sports for inclusion at the 2024 Paris Olympics, which will also be the first Games in 128 years to achieve full gender equality for participation.

    The formal acceptance of four new sports was confirmed at a board meeting of the International Olympic Committee and, following the selection already of skateboarding, surfing and climbing at the rescheduled Tokyo Olympics next year, breakdancing will also be included in the Paris programme three years later.

    This announcement comes on the same day as Peter Alliss’s obituary is published. In the rapidly accelerating decline of the integrity and intelligence of the human species, it seems that the burgeoning population of lunatics has now taken over every asylum.

    Citius, Altius, Fortius has now been firmly supplanted by “Wazzup, blood! Innit?”

    3. The full gender equality could be interesting.

      Men who would struggle to get through heats in the men’s events deciding they might be in with a good chance of a medal as a female.

    4. I have always felt that any “sport” that requires a jury to award points shouldn’t be in the Olympics; I would probably make an exception for combat sports although some of the refereeing has been abysmal in the past.

        1. I recently won a prize for breakdancing at a dance when I caught my knee on the edge of a chair

      1. I even stopped watching the horse events. Takes some going to turn me off watching the gee-gees. Mind you, ITV is fast approaching my not even bothering to record the racing, judging by Sunday’s rainbow coloured farce. I had no idea Richard Johnson was LGBT (I suspect he isn’t, just virtue signalling).

  36. 327308+ up ticks,
    Morning Each,
    Not a bright outlook, you travel 101’35 degrees for 199 miles from London and eventually you reach the heart of mafia country ( brussels) on one side of us.
    Then closer we have the underworld within the United Kingdom seemingly
    about to kick off ie a ticket to shop.

    Pssst you wanna buy, shopping lists given to shoplifters has been operating for years, in the main half price, once again where there is a negative there
    is a positive.

    As with the population figures under these governance party’s raising daily the crime figures will escalate.

    ” Shops should soon bar entry to anyone without a vaccination passport”

    Black market lives matter also.

  37. The Millwall Football Team won’t kneel to the BLM movement at their next match. .

    The will link arms and display a BLACK LIVES MATTER poster . . .

    Will some of them still give the BLACK PANTHER, clenched fist salute like they did last time?

    1. 327308+ up ticks,
      Morning S,
      You keep feeding the hydra via the turnstile do you think they give a sh!te, same as feeding politico’s via the ballot booth.
      BOYCOTT in booth cases.

    2. Further to TB’s comment yesterday about Southampton supporters apparently cheering the kneeling grovelers, wondered if TV producers are still adding sound of their choosing to make up for small (and possibly uncooperative) crowds?

      1. Footballers at that level do not need the fans, any more than MPs do. They can play to canned cheering happily enough. They get paid from our phone bills.

  38. I recently visited a restaurant where they offered you £50 if they
    couldn’t provide anything you ordered, so I asked for elephant’s balls
    on toast and within 10 minutes the head waiter handed me a nice crisp
    £50 note.

    Apparently they had run out of bread.

    2. “If you treat people like cattle, don’t be surprised that they stampede when you open the gates.”

  40. Can David Lammy Lammy please answer this

    Where does the BLM movement fit in the Grand Scheme of the need for Racial Equality in UK

    3. Racial equality means getting rid of the indigenous people of Britain. Only when we are gone and they have it all to themselves will they feel equal.

  43. Is treachery and duplicity deeply ingrained in Etonian blood – or is it unfair to suggest such a thing?

    David Cameron returned from his EU fiasco claiming the he had secured a ‘reformed’ EU which was a complete lie.

    Boris Johnson lied about his WA (He deliberately refused to tell us how bad it was so it was a lie of omission rather than a lie of commission). It now looks likely that he will return from Brussels claiming to have secured a ‘brilliant, oven-ready victory’ for Britain when he has sold out on fishing, Northern Ireland, the ECJ, trade rules and tariffs and any other bits of betrayal yet to emerge.

    The the headmaster of Eton wants to suppress free speech and the Archbishop of Canterbury wants to destroy all vestiges of Christian faith starting with the Church of England.

    These are just a few of the high profile traitors currently in the news – but I am sure there are plenty more insignificant little pustules of deceit and nastiness such as Rory Stewart and Oliver Letwin who may not be at all representative.

    On the other side of the argument there are some excellent clear-headed, honest Etonians such as Charles Moore, Douglas Murray and George Orwell! And over the years about 20 boys from Eton have been on our courses and they all seemed very decent chaps!

    1. I find it astonishing that 4.5 years after the referendum, three weeks before we are fully due to leave the EU, that the fundamentals of a future relationship have still not been agreed. This is all political theatre, so that both sides can claim that the other backed down at the last minute.

      The default position is that we control 100% of our money, fish, laws and borders. Any compromise would only be giving away what is naturally ours to begin with.

      1. It’s not just political theatre; it is a clear indication that no politician, of even moderate calibre, exists anywhere on the planet in 2020.

        All the true statesmen and women of previous centuries must be gyrating in the graves watching the clowns who are now in positions of power.

    2. I have a feeling that many OE’s are arrogant: partly through family circumstances that the school’s special position merely reinforces.
      I suspect you have to be really intelligent to withstand those two influences.

  46. Link to ConHome:

    https://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2020/12/radical-keira-bells-case-is-a-national-scandal-it-should-have-never-taken-a-court-hearing-to-halt-the-harm-of-children.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Tuesday 8 December 2020&utm_content=Tuesday 8 December 2020+CID_dc0baec6f63a1ab822ff40c892794b5d&utm_source=Daily Email&utm_term=Radical Keira Bells case is a national scandal It should have never taken a court hearing to halt the harm of children

    1. Some poor old woman given the deadly Pfizer mRNA vaccination and mistakenly believing it to be a good thing whereas it is a political ruse to cover the government’s and medicos’ backsides and will likely hasten her demise.

      1. ….but, but….. “It’s free!!” she joyfully announces as she escapes their clutches and “get it everyone!”

      2. I would have thought it was more important for the staff to have been jabbed first.
        Did any one read Jeremy Claxon in the Sunday (back page) Times this week. Hilarious article about the luvvies and the jab.
        Opposite the GK cross word……he managed to get one across.

  48. Some years ago, I was trying to come up with a snappy acronym for the Kick It Out campaign. My mind was inexorably drawn to

    Keep
    All
    Football
    Free from
    Institutionalised
    Racism

    Somehow, I didn’t think KAFFIR would catch on.

  50. ‘Morning All

    Microsoft offices, 2006

    “Boss,Microsoft Vista release day is approaching fast and we haven’t even
    finished alpha testing yet. There’s no time to complete testing before
    release”
    “OK, let’s just release it then and the users can test it”

    Fortunately there’s no one from the software industry involved in delivering vaccines…

    1. Bill Gates continues replicating his M.O. errors. As he was told back then, if the software’s that good then no need for anti virus. Then the light bulb went off in his head, probably the last time his brain saw the light.

      And nothing’s changed in 2020. 2 weeks explaining to septics in M.O. the codified fault and how to rectify [as they have the inner software] – went nowhere. Usual Plan B, via contact in US mil, resolved in 2 mins

      1. I wondered why IBM sold Gates the OS software for $80,000. I’d never considered that IBM might have got rid of it because they wanted to pursue more robust and ethical avenues.

        1. if you mean supporting US arm of Intelligence, where they got huge [and ongoing] funds not part of US annual budget, then yes in terms of robust. Ethics never formed part of the decision making Stateside

  51. Expect the BPAPM to return from Munich Brussels waving a bit of paper and saying that he has agreed a settlement with Frau Hitlerine

  52. Wasn’t the whole point about Bill Cash’s amendment that it stopped the EU acting in bad faith?

    With his surrender on the WA Boris Johnson is surely giving the EU the green light to continue to act not just in bad faith but in the very worst possible faith?

    Boris Johnson looks as if he is a totally naive and as gullible as a little baby. Where’s his Johnson’s Baby Powder – he needs it!

    Remember that Trump baby balloon which the Mayor of London allowed to be flown and tethered over London when the US president visited? It should now be inflated again with more hot air and helium and set to hover over Westminster – but now in the guise of Baby Johnson to mark his ignominious return from Brussels to mark his humiliating surrender to the EU!

    1. According to reports, even if the trade deal negotiations fail the NI changes won’t be taken out.

      We can only hope that enough backbenchers will pin Johnson to the proverbial wall and make the overweight amoeba think again.

      2. No – it is Johnson giving way on the NI border issue. It is sheer deceit and betrayal.

        We can now see very clearly why Johnson was so determined not to reveal what was actually in his ‘brilliant’, ‘oven-ready’ WA before the election and why he avoided being interviewed by Andrew Neil.

  53. Just back from buying a chest of drawers. Anyone want a 4-drawer steel filing cabinet? Free to good home – buyer collects…

    This morning the sun briefly came out – the trees and hedgerows were a miraculous white (sorry bames) with frost. We tried to take a snap or two but the temp rose just above freezing – and the frost melted. But it was wonderful to observe. This is the best I can offer.

    EDIT – tried to load a snap but Discurse wouldn’t take it…

    1. Yo Bill

      I have just had to ‘deconstruct’ two welsh dresser type units, as I could not give them away.
      About £700 chucked down the tip

      2. You should have put them outside with a notice “£700 or near offer” – they would have been stolen in no time 🙂

        1. I went to matins in Bath Abbey every Sunday during school term time from 1954 – 1959. We used to walk from the school half-way up North Road in ‘crocodiles’ with Miss Smith and Mr Hughes in charge of us.

          St Christopher’s is no more – but the beautiful Georgian House and grounds were bought by King Edward’s School soon after I left the place.

        3. As a matter of interest, when you moved to Bath, did you bring your belongings by water?

      2. We had sunshine around midday. I caught the frost as it was melting in the front hedge. The drops on the twigs sparkled like diamonds & the rose hips flashed like rubies. No photo.

  54. Just back from buying a chest of drawers. Anyone want a 4-drawer steel filing cabinet? Free to good home – buyer collects…

    This morning the sun briefly came out – the trees and hedgerows were a miraculous white (sorry bames) with frost. We tried to take a snap or two but the temp rose just above freezing – and the frost melted. But it was wonderful to observe. This is the best I can offer.

    EDIT – tried to load a snap but Discurse wouldn’t take it…

    1. Surprise, surprise. Not. I just hope there are enough of us against having this vaccine/test to resist.

    3. Maybe common sense. If countries can prevent your entry without a Yellow Fever certificate, why can’t a business deny your ‘right’ for service if they perceive a risk they’d be closed down if you did have Covid?

      1. If large numbers refuse the vaccine & are subsequently excluded from businesses/shops because they have no vax-card, it’s going to make shopping much more enjoyable for the rest of us.

        1. I hope the rest of you are wealthy enough to spend sufficient to stop the businesses going under.

          1. The clear majority of people reject all this conspiracy theory stuff, so are likely to get vaccinated.

          2. Same with face masks. I’ve yet to see a customer without a mask in my branch of Waitrose.

          5. Because the staff accost you. Morrisons all masked except many staff who ignore you should you remain unfettered.

          6. I do very little shopping these days. Once a week at Morrisons and a couple of times to the post office to send out our calendars. The only reason I wear the mask is to avoid confrontation. I hate wearing it – can’t breathe or see properly, and nor can I hear what people say when they mumble through theirs. It’s made all shopping totally joyless.

          7. Download the government’s exemption card, print it out and put it in a clear plastic holder. Display it and no one will challenge you. I speak from experience.

          8. I would, but our printer gave up the ghost some months ago. I’m hoping one of my sons mught be here at Christmas and either fix it or point me in the direction of a replacement. There’s only so much two computer illiterates can do to keep systems running. Husband is always asking me to fix this & that but i haven’t any more clues than he has.

            As I wrote that I was thinking of your situation, and I know I am lucky.

          9. Many people don’t enunciate properly anyway. Wearing a mask simply amplifies the problem.

            If an ordinary surgical mask (50 for £20 – Amazon) is worn properly, there should be no problems with vision or breathing. I was wearing them professionally for about 25 years without problems.

          10. I lip read because my hearing is not brilliant. It’s adequate in normal one to one conversation.

            You obviously were very used to mask wearing. I find find them dehumanising.

          11. How do you know
            ‘the clear majority of people reject all this conspiracy theory stuff’?

      2. Yellow Fever is a completely different and far more lethal proposition.

        You might just as well require people to show they’ve had the ‘flu vaccine or measles vaccine as the Covid one.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_fever

        As to a business refusing, that’s up to them, but I suspect it will be a quick route to bankruptcy, unless the Government directly or indirectly forces everyone to get one if they wish to live a normal life.

        1. “Yellow Fever is a completely different and far more lethal proposition.”

          And common in less well-developed countries with inferior health systems that would not welcome significant numbers of visitors taking up beds.

          1. I regard that as little different from a business not being able to refuse an order for a gay wedding cake or a business not being able to refuse a large group of young black men entering their shop.

          2. The cake makers were deliberately targeted, something even Peter Tatchell disagreed with, although in that specific case (and I can’t remember the eventual outcome), they were accused of breaking equalities law. Refusing to serve someone without a Covid certificate would not break the same laws.

          3. The principles are exactly the same. Compulsion by stealth, targetting and social pressures.

          5. Indeed.

            But if the vaccine works, which is what is claimed, it protects people who have received it. Why should they care if people haven’t had one, the unvaccinated will be the only ones harmed.

    1. It suits the PTB for some reason to keep using the highly flawed and inaccurate PCR test. They’ve kept the pandemic going for political reasons.

      The most recent week (w/e 27/11) records 3,040 covid deaths in England and Wales. That’s because sick patients admitted to hospital for any cause are tested, and many more than once. They then die and are recorded as covid deaths. The total number of deaths from all causes that week was 12,456. 2,643 of those people were in their 90s.

      1. It is much the same in America. There for the first time ever annual deaths from heart disease have declined if you believe the figures. The truth is that deaths from all the usual causes at this time of year are falsely recorded as deaths by Covid.

        The pandemic is a massive hoax on the public. Many scientists have exposed the fraud but have been ignored by the MSM. The Covid virus was released from a laboratory in Wuhan and the vaccine designs appear to be based on a model released by the Chinese because the actual virus material was not isolated.

        This cyber warfare might be aimed at disabling American might. China Joe Biden and many of the district judges in the USA have been bought by the Chinese. It is now revealed that the Chinese own Dominion voting machines purchased via a Swiss (UBS) bank.

        1. It seems that covid in itself is a pretty poor killer but if caught by suffering some other illness, the little spikey ball becomes lethal.

          That is essentially what happened to MIL, she was probably weakened by the cancer but able to carry on living. Along comes covid and whack.

          1. The outcome would probably have been the same, had she caught flu. Sadly all life must have an end.

            But you and your wife would not have been barred from visiting all these months. I know it’s a long way from Canada, and you might not have visited anyway, but you would have had the choice.

          1. Last time I looked, which was before the second wave, deaths were 14% up on the 5-year average, but I’m sure you don’t need ‘a long-term irritant’ to tell you that.

          2. No I don’t.
            What about all the people who died from causes other than covid? People whho couldn’t get treatment for cancers, heart disease, strokes?

          6. Died or are now suffering because of cancelled treatments?

            Hip and knee problems may not be life threatening but without the replacement surgery, they can be very painful and debilitating.

    1. Yes it’s a dog’s breakfast at the moment. I’m being continually logged out, unrecognised when I’m logged in, unable to copy or drag-and-drop pictures etc.

    1. Take a look on here, there are people who would happily make these things compulsory before one may live a “normal” life.

      If the authorities get away with this one, it will be compulsory ID cards to be carried at all times and available for showing to a gauleiter.

        1. Nor am I.

          I have the full set from childhood right up to recent ‘flu and pneumonia ones.
          I am extremely wary of this thing.

          Would anyone in their right mind take the swine ‘flu injection today?

          1. It’s the genetic interference that’s a worry. It’s the future too. I’d rather wait for the Oxford vaccine.

          2. I am concerned on many scores, not least that one, even though I’m well past passing on my genes.

            The 10’s of thousands of volunteers they claim have been successfully treated, how many were on other major drugs, how many had recently had ‘flu, or pneumonia vaccinations, how many were diabetic, had heart disease, liver or kidney problems, ongoing cancer treatments?

            And just as a matter of interest, what antidote is available if a severe adverse reaction takes place?

          4. Idiocy of the very highest order.

            Which are the cohorts being knocked over like nine-pins?

            Certainly NOT the under 55’s

          5. There was that link to the NHS trying to buy AI to help keep track of ADRs they know are coming.

          6. I didn’t see that, but it does not surprise me.
            When one starts permutating all the various health factors/drugs the potential for problems appearing is horrendous.
            We’re talking about a vaccine for the planet, even if only 30% get one that’s over 2 BILLION people who may or may not get adverse reactions.
            Assume that only 0.1% of those are serious and people die that’s more deaths that Covid has produced. (ignoring the fact that Covid itself kills very few people)

          7. I had the flu and pneumonia ones this year, for the first time, never having bothered with them before.
            Had the typhoid booster last January, before our last trip to Kenya.

            I’m taking Vitamin D capsules, which are supposed to boost the immune system. Anyway, I think I had a mild dose of the covid last January, before it was supposed to be here. Various countries have now established that it was indeed in Europe, and one man died from it in January in the UK.

      2. I haven’t seen anyone arguing for vaccinations to be compulsory. That’s certainly not my view.

        1. Yet what you are arguing in favour of is compulsion by the back door.

          No papers? no travel, refusal to be served, refusal to be allowed into public gatherings.

          Call it whatever doublethink words you like it becomes compulsion.

          1. No, I’m arguing for each business to be allowed to make its own decisions on who to serve. If the number of sceptics is as high as you appear to believe, there’s a business opportunity.

          2. Say every food seller in your town decides to sell only to people who have been vaccinated and can produce a card – are you expected to starve?

            It strikes me that it is a very sneaky ploy by the politicians to say they do not compel people to be vaccinated but it’s not their fault if you can’t travel of visit any shops.

          4. I fear that you optimism could prove extremely naive.

            Mind you we all cherish our hypotheses – you, I believe cherish the hypothesis that Biden and his Democrats won the US election fairly and squarely and without any fraud.

          5. As I have said several times, it is up to those making the accusation to prove their case. To date Trump and his supporters have lost nearly every Court case they’ve launched. So as things stand, Biden’s victory is more than a simple hypothesis.

          6. But as I have said before if the whole thing was a fraud which was skilfully rigged from the outset and all the necessary people were bought off then the findings of all the courts would be incorrect.

            Or are you convinced that Biden and his fellow travellers are snowy white and incapable of mounting such a fraud?

            However often I put my point of view and however often you put yours does not necessarily prove the case?

            “What I tell you three times is true.”

            (Lewis Carroll: The Hunting of the Snark)

          7. I’m not the one making claims. As I keep saying, it is up to Trump supporters to prove their allegations; no-one has to prove anything about the Democrats.

          8. And just for sake of argument do you think it would be acceptable for refuseniks to try to stop people from entering such businesses if the business refuses them access?

          9. No. The business is not theirs. A refusenik could refuse service to someone who had the vaccination (as I pointed out earlier, there’s a business opportunity if you truly believe there are lots of refuseniks out there).

          10. But the business is refusing to serve them, why shouldn’t they stand outside and “persuade” people not to use the shop? Animal rights people do similarly.

          12. Spot on!

            In other words, obey or you will be “un-personed” – that form of punishment for dissenters favoured by the Soviet Union.

      3. There are credit sized cards to be given to those vaccinated. To record when vaccinated and where plus the batch number of the vaccine. To be completed on both vaccine days and kept in purse or wallet. Vaccinated people who feel safe with the vaccine should be happy to travel on a plane with non vaccinated passengers and crew.

        2. But they won’t will they?. They are the same people who wear masks in their cars – and run across the road or into a field to avoid passing you within five meters. Who won’t let a meter reader or delivery man cross the threshold.

        3. I have a small vaccination record – but it’s for my personal use only, not for showing to officials.

    3. Nothing to worry about.
      “Oxford Covid vaccine ‘safe and effective’ study shows”
      By Michelle Roberts
      Health editor, BBC News online
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55228422
      “Most in the study were younger than 55, but the results so far indicate it does work well in older people too.
      The data also suggest it can reduce spread of Covid, as well protect against illness and death.”
      Blimey, it’s an effing panacea.

      1. That is the entire purpose of foisting untested and dangerous vaccines on the unsuspected elderly. If after surviving the vaccination the same elderly are exposed to a Corona virus they will die just as surely as all the ferrets used in limited animal testing died.

        Either Hancock is evil or else he is a complete idiot. Your guess is as good as mine. I reckon he is both.

  68. GP has prescribed a drug. One tablet 3 times a day. Took the first tab at 1430 and hiccups disappeared. I’ll take another before bed and hope for a good night’s sleep. Seeing the GP in the surgery car park tomorrow at 1040.

      1. Apparently not. He asked me to describe my car and he will come to the car park to see me.

        1. 327308+ up ticks,
          Evening DB,
          Sure he is not a car enthusiast & you are the second issue ?
          Advice, don’t take the first offer.

    2. Hiccups aren’t fun. I had them for over a week whilst recovering from an op. On the bright side I was moved to my own side room after my fellow patients complained I was keeping them awake.

    1. I’m surprised someone hasn’t done a roaring trade in these hulks. Patch up the bigger holes and tow them line astern to Calais. Fill ’em up and tow ’em back.

      1. 327308+ up ticks,
        Evening M,
        I do believe the governance nautical department would have something to say having someone
        cut into a lucrative business the politico’s are overseeing.
        Don’t forget these are, in many ways political whores in power, they would never let a daygo by
        without turning a coin.

      2. Late yesterday on BBC text it was “several dozen” migrants had made it across Monday morning. – now it is 111 made it. So 9+ is now “several dozen”. Are the French wanting yet more cash?

    1. When I worked in London one of our engineers, Stan Feneron of Lowe & Rodin, was commissioned to investigate and report on the collapse at Ronan Point. He found that the ‘in-situ stitching’ between the external cladding panels and the floor slabs was missing just as illustrated in this clip.

      In-situ stitching comprised a heavy reinforcement bar connecting the panel reinforcement to the slab reinforcement which was then concreted on site.

      The system at Ronan Point was Swedish and the contractor Taylor Woodrow which company had formed a separate company with the Swedes.

      As far as I am aware nobody went to gaol. Lord Taylor was a major contributor to Tory Party funds so was in the clear.

      The only good thing to come out of those investigations was the Fourth Amendment to The Building Regulations requiring structural measures to prevent ‘progressive collapse’.

    2. When I worked in London one of our engineers, Stan Feneron of Lowe & Rodin, was commissioned to investigate and report on the collapse at Ronan Point. He found that the ‘in-situ stitching’ between the external cladding panels and the floor slabs was missing just as illustrated in this clip.

      In-situ stitching comprised a heavy reinforcement bar connecting the panel reinforcement to the slab reinforcement which was then concreted on site.

      The system at Ronan Point was Swedish and the contractor Taylor Woodrow which company had formed a separate company with the Swedes.

      As far as I am aware nobody went to gaol. Lord Taylor was a major contributor to Tory Party funds so was in the clear.

      The only good thing to come out of those investigations was the Fourth Amendment to The Building Regulations requiring structural measures to prevent ‘progressive collapse’.

  71. OT – are there any map or train buffs on NoTTL?????

    A chap I once knew is a map designer and railway freak. He gave me two poster sized maps of the London rail network and the Paris Metro following the designs of Harry Beck.

    I don’t want them – but am loath to bin them. Anyone interested?

      1. I’m trying to ignore his post. As much as I’d love them, i’ve no bloody space!!

    3. If they are in good condition, get a professional auctioneer to have a look, you may be VERY pleasantly surprised.

      1. They have no value – they are just what a skilled amateur ran up. They look very professional – but….

          1. They have no value – honestly. They were plans that the chap drew – and went on to write a book.

            I was simply wondering whether anyone here was sufficiently interested to have them.

      1. Contact me off-line – (if you are clever, you can find me through the Phone Book – Fulmodeston, Norfolk) – or ask Hertslass to put you in touch via e-mail

  72. That’s me for this rather better day. The deep cold is less obvious – though a chilly night is in prspect. The new chest of drawers fts very well. Soldier neighbour will take the filing cabinet. And here is a snap taken this morning, showing Gus in plotting mode. Pickles was delving in an empty cardboard box ad was too busy.

  73. Still more on the vaccines and oh no you won’t need a passport…..but.

    This is becoming communistic coercive compulsion.

      2. Skate perhaps. She has seven children and might want another by the witty, suave and sophisticated English gentleman Fataturk. IVF is available provided she has stored the eggs.

          3. 327308+ up ticks,
            PT,
            Genuine real kippers was off the lab/lib/con/brussels coalition menu nearly five years ago.

  76. Man, that was a faff.
    Disqus error didn’t let me log in, instead showing pictures of Batman and explaining that there was an error.

          1. The last time I watched Batman was the old TV series, pretty dire. The DC (?) comics I enjoyed.

    3. I had that this morning. Driving me mad. Gave up. Had same just now but managed to get back in.

    2. 327308+ up ticks,
      Evening PT,
      By the same token the establishment employees will be told where to go.

      1. Me too.

        By the time they contact me at the spring chicken age of 68 many will have already died from the vaccine and I expect that, as with Swine Flu vaccine, the bastards responsible will be absent from the scene and leaving the poor bloody taxpayers to pick up the compensation tab as per usual.

    4. We know, e know. Every news program is telling us about it. It is helping hide Trudeaus inability to to get more than a handful of doses.

        1. I hope my last night’s endeavour made it through the mists of Twitter (I wasn’t convinced). I am going to attempt today’s effort shortly….!

      2. If true (after her ‘escapades’ for her 60th, going to a vaccine ward the day after), then that is 10x worse than what Cummings did, and he was acting in the best interests of his family, especially his special needs child. IMHO, she was just out on the razzle (knowing full well what she was going to be doing the next day or so) and pleasing herself. She should do the decent thing and resign, and if not, SKY News should fire her.

      3. Oh far worse, she is off the air and on extended leave until 2021. Well the daily mail says so.

        Oh hang on, that is just over three weeks.

    2. She was brave to offer to go into an NHS facility. The NHS are responsible for a quarter of all Covid infections according to the figures we have seen. The wards lack the most basic hygiene and the clinical staff struggle with the rotten filthy conditions.

      A few years ago I suffered a bilateral embolism and pneumonia and was admitted to Addenbrookes. After a few days in an intensively monitored ward I was moved to a general ward.

      In the early morning I took a shower and found myself wiping someone’s excrement from the floor of the cubicle before using the adjacent WC. I duly reported the condition of the facility to the duty nurse. I was told that the doctors had expressly stated that I should not shower for fear of over exertion and that I should on no account attempt to clean the toilet floor which was the responsibility of others. You really could not make this up.

  79. This is the end of Brexit. Bill Cash’s very wise addition to the catastrophic WA has been betrayed and Britain’s negotiating strength is lost. We thought May was weak but Boris Johnson is even weaker.

    From the DT Live News at 1330:

    The UK and EU has struck a compromise “on all issues” in the Withdrawal Agreement Joint Committee, Michael Gove has confirmed.

    The Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster was in Brussels yesterday, in a bid to agree all outstanding issues, including those relating to the Irish border.

    “In view of these mutually agreed solutions, the UK will withdraw clauses 44, 45 and 47 of the UK Internal Market Bill, and not introduce any similar provisions in the Taxation Bill,” the Government said in a statement.

    Boris Johnson has not struck a compromise – he has surrendered.

    1. The EU has set up an internal border in the United Kingdom. The EU will govern the border and determine the rules for goods crossing from one part of the UK to another part of the UK.
      Um, were we not supposed to be a sovereign country?

    2. Is it possible that the French will veto The Deal in the final analysis….. doesn’t it have to do the round of all twenty six/seven countries before being made legitimate? Is it possible that Boris has pulled a blinder? And we are returned to the No Deal square?

      2. Good afternoon P’sM

        As a pessimist I can only be pleasantly surprised if I am wrong – and if I am right I have the satisfaction of having been right!

        1. Many here did. Boris and Trump were both heavily celebrated, both turned out to be completely useless. Nothing that couldn’t have been foreseen. Boris has always been the same and Trump isn’t the ‘great businessman and negotiator’ many believed him to be, he actually is as thick as GWB.

          1. Hoping and having confidence are not the same thing. Some people hoped they would not be betrayed but had little confidence in the possibility that they would not be.

          2. I do not like being told what to think. My trouble is that when the whole of the MSM and the BBC are unitedly against Trump I cannot help feeling that he is not as bad as he is being painted.

            Just because everybody despises Trump does not mean that he is no better than Biden.

          3. Well Biden for sure has some form of dementia which in my mind should have made him ineligible.
            I honestly think he’ll serve six months then retire on medical grounds making his annoying VP the POTUS.

    5. Comment deleted as I was showing incipient signs of senility and insanity by replying to myself.

  80. Evening, all. While I agree that shops COULD bar entry to anyone without a vaccination passport, I strongly oppose that they SHOULD.

    1. Shops and other retail premises such as cafes and bars can refuse to allow entrance to anyone. If they wish to avoid repercussions they should give no reason.

  81. I wonder whether the turd-gobbling spin-doctors of Downing Street searched high and low to find the suitably named William Shakespeare to get their injection.

    They probably could not find a Gullible of the Travellers site to accept it, unless the Gypo encampment could be given the contract to resurface all the car parks being set aside as vaccination centres.

        1. The most implausible subject given the placebo would have to be a William Shakespeare from Stratford on Avon. It is a PR stunt designed to lull oldies into taking the killer vaccine.

          In fact from the very start those silly press conferences with warning bordered slogans on the lecterns were obviously devised by some PR Agency. Catchy repeatable slogans uttered by despicable sweaty medicos with financial interests in drug companies and centred by boughten government ministers.

          1. Devised by the number of ‘behavioural scientists’ who inhabit SAGE, more like. There’s more of that ilk than virologists etc. “Follow the Science” is the government’s mantra and they’ve certainly followed the behavioural scientists advice if the number of literally terrified sheep is anything to go by.

  82. 327308+ up ticks,
    After hearing early post referendum “job done, leave it to the tory’s” I do NOT want to hear from the same pretendee tory party supporter / fools, “ahh well we will get them at the next referendum”

    Talk about how to politically murder a decent Nation via the polling booth,
    unbloodybelievable.

    1. It was all fairly inevitable.

      Brexit meant something different to the people as opposed to the state. It does make you wonder those Lefty dolts flicking backward and forward to undermine negotiations bothered. The end result would also be a desperate effort to chain us to that hated entity.

      Simply put: if we cannot scrap VAT, corporation tax and get rid of the horrifically polluting weee nonsense we may as well not have bothereed.

      2. Brexit means that freedom of movement will end at the end of this year (unless BJ has renegotiated that bit today) and that is a major benefit. The UK is also free to do its own trade deals both more quickly and on terms more beneficial to the UK than was on offer when we negotiated as part of the EU. I believe the UK-Japan FTA is an improvement on what we had before.

        A problem though, is that Brexit means different things to different people. It’s now interpreted by some as ‘No Deal’ when that was not what was said at the time of the referendum.

        1. The deal with Japan is almost identical to the EU deal except that it has an irrelevant clause about Stilton cheese – which the Japanese import if very small quantities. It includes the exact terms on government support for industry which they have now spent weeks arguing over with Brussels having passed them, on the nod, with Japan.

          1. You clearly know more than I do about the Japan FTA, but my point is that future trade deals should be better aligned to what the UK wants/ needs, than deals that tried to get the best for the whole of the EU.

          2. The EU didn’t have any deals which were bad for the UK. The UK has very, very little clout except with nations which have nothing to offer us. The only countries with any enthusiasm for such deals are those who have a lot that they would like to sell to us (most of it down market, worse than we produce ourselves etc etc), and b*gg*r all that they want to buy. It is vanishingly unlikely that we will strike a single trade deal which is more to our advantage than those we have chosen to abandon.

            There may, or may not, be good reasons to leave… but better trade deals is not, and never will be, one of them – whatever we may later be told to the contrary; as the lies about the Japan deal showed.

        2. Good evening, Mr Cochrane

          To my shame I voted to stay in the Common Market in the 1973 referendum because I made the mistake of believing the very dishonest and mendacious Mr Heath.

          I did not vote in the more recent referendum because David Cameron, having promised that British people living in EU countries would be able to vote, promptly went back on his word adding to the disenfranchisement that Blair had imposed on me after I had lived in France for 15 years and lost my vote in Britain even though I had never been given one in France, my EU country of residence..

          At the time of the last referendum in 2016 I think few people imagined that the EU would act so very badly and in such bad faith.

          Many people I know who voted Remain now say they don’t want to have anything more to do with the corrupt and sordid EU.

          1. Evening Richard, had I been old enough I would have voted to Remain in the EEC and although I voted to Leave in 2016, I did so primarily because the EEC became the EU after the Maastricht and Lisbon treaties. As a result, I want a trade deal and I oppose the people who argue that the only true Brexit is ‘No Deal’ – that is simply not what was said in 2016 and isn’t correct in my opinion.

          2. Yes – I agree with you up to a point. The trouble is that the EU wants to impose violation of Britain’s sovereignty to any trade deal.

  84. Just read a snippet on front page of DT. David Lammy says: “The Tories used to understand the importance of human rights”. I think that’s the first time I’ve ever agreed with him. Can’t read the rest.

    1. He is responding to Robert Buckland’s article, featured here a day or two ago.

      Tories used to understand the importance of human rights

      Winston Churchill was a pioneer of human rights. His successors are wrong to try and undermine them

      DAVID LAMMY

      Human rights are a simple, but audacious idea. Every person – whatever their background, wealth, faith, gender or colour – should have certain rights that must always be defended. While they have their roots in Magna Carta of 1215, human rights were only codified properly following the tyranny and bloodshed of the two world wars that defined the first half of the 20th century in Europe. Following the defeat of Nazism, there was a shared conviction across the continent that horror on this scale must never be repeated.

      The European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) which resulted laid the hidden foundations that help us live together freely and fairly to this day, from the right to express an opinion to the right to fair pay, access to education, a decent place to live, privacy at home and protection from abuse.

      Writing for the Telegraph, the Lord Chancellor, Robert Buckland, announced the political aims of his forthcoming review into the Human Rights Act, which incorporates the European Convention on Human Rights into domestic British law. It follows briefings in the Sunday Telegraph in September that Boris Johnson is planning “opt-outs” from the Human Rights Act that threaten Britain’s place in the ECHR.

      It is easy to take human rights for granted while they are protected, but we should not let this blind us to the fact that we all benefit from the Act every day. Human rights are essential tools that empower the public to stand up to people in power, be it the government, an employer, a landlord or a corporation.

      The problem with opting out of one aspect of human rights is that by doing so you undermine the legitimacy of all those rights. We cannot criticise other nations for human rights abuses if we fail to show absolute commitment to basic rights and freedoms here at home. If the changes the Government puts forward as a result of this review are inconsistent with membership of the ECHR, the UK will become the only major European nation other than Belarus which is not a signatory. It would be a backward step for a country which led the world in enshrining the values of dignity, fairness, equality, tolerance and respect.

      This announcement should worry those of us from all political traditions. Winston Churchill was one of the first to set out a vision for what he called a “Charter of Human Rights, guarded by freedom and sustained by law”. Another Conservative politician, David Maxwell Fyfe, later Lord Kilmuir, drafted them “as a beacon to those at the moment in totalitarian darkness”. By questioning the value of our human rights in this way, this Government has broken with a proud tradition in its party’s history.

      As the UK sets its new path outside the European Union, it is vital that we demonstrate that Britain will continue to stand up for the values that underpin our democracy. By abandoning the rule of law over the internal market bill, and launching attacks on judicial review and human rights, the Conservatives are not only disempowering the British public, they are trashing Britain’s global reputation.

      The election of Joe Biden in the US makes it even more imperative that the UK Government changes course. The president-elect plans to restore America’s “moral leadership”, end Donald Trump’s “love affair” with autocrats and make supporting human rights around the world an “early priority”.

      There is no way to isolate the UK more quickly from our friends in Washington, as well as Brussels, than for the Government to define itself as hostile to human rights.

      The Government’s mishandling of the pandemic has left Britain with one of the highest death tolls in the world and the sharpest recession of any major economy. This is not the moment for it to dilute the powers that previous generations of British people fought so hard to secure.

      Instead of stripping rights from the public, the Government should be doing all it can to ensure vaccines are rolled out safely, swiftly and fairly so that once again we can all enjoy the freedom the Human Rights Act guarantees.

      David Lammy is the shadow justice secretary

      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/08/tories-used-understand-importance-human-rights/

      This sums up the responses BTL:

      Nicolas Beard
      8 Dec 2020 4:08PM
      The Labour shadow “justice” secretary, speaking for the party that did more to limit free speech in the UK than any party for decades, dares to bleat about human rights.

      Laughable, opportunistic drivel.

    2. Given Valerie’s spelling, I can’t say that I am surprised that she couldn’t find a Margeret (sic) Keenan in Coventry.

      Edit. In less than 30 seconds, I found records of two Margaret Keenans in Coventry in 192.com.

        1. To be honest, neither of the two Margaret Keenans are likely to be the one who was vaccinated. My post was to demonstrate how unreliable Valerie’s research was. The fact that records available to the public do not show someone you are looking for is not evidence that they do not exist. The records that are generally used in people searches are the Electoral Roll and the BT Phone Book, neither of which include everyone.

          2. Some, like the male children landing by RIBs along the South coast, look far older than their years, others look far younger. The lady in question does indeed look remarkably young but, then again, I am still the handsome, athletic, charismatic Adonis that I was fifty years ago – I am still refused service at most pubs.

          3. We know how jolly young you look, but It’s because they can see the razor blades in the lapels of your Teddy Boy jacket .

          4. I escaped most of the Teddy Boy fashions as I joined the RAF a few days after my 16th birthday and civvies (civilian clothing) was banned for the first couple of years. It was impossible to hide razor blades in a uniform jacket but a webbing belt was the preferred weapon of the more violent ones among us.

  87. BBC chat host just had his hormones tested positive as a Man./Male/Him/Sir

    He is suing the testing company, as he now will be sacked

    1. If you can’t be bothered to make a comment; why should I/ we bother to look at yer link ?

      2. I would guess, lacoste, that R Nosgrove is leaving it to you to make up your mind as to the veracity of it, on the basis that other’s opinion may be important.

    2. A few ‘characters’ there, but the main gist is that long term, and even relatively short term, problems with the vaccine cannot be ruled out.

      1. I have never refused a vaccine, for myself or my children, but I simply cannot believe that ANY vaccine can be researched, formulated and proven safe in such a short time, however much money and manpower is thrown at it.

        And that’s ignoring the conspiracy theories (which is becoming increasingly difficult) and the fact that the manufacturers have been granted immunity from liability!

        1. I refused (or “declined” in NHS speak) the ‘flu vaccine this year for the first time. I did so on the grounds that last year’s jab made me ill and then I went down with ‘flu in two successive months. I might as well take my chance without a jab as have one that isn’t effective and makes me feel ill.

          2. Meaningful statistics can take months, years or even decades to accrue. That’s why I have always been happy to take the regular flu vaccine but will be far from the front of the queue for this Covid vaccine!

          3. even without those statistics, parts of Canada are already talking about vaccine passports being mandatory. So if we want to get away from the snow
            and travel to places less frozen, there will be little choice.

            The good news being that Trudeau has really screwed up on vaccine procurement and with Trump rightly saying my country first, we probably have a year before any vaccinations come our way.

          4. Even if vaccine passports are not mandatory, I suspect there will be many things you can’t do, and places you can’t go, without one!

          5. You’ll have to watch them. They may start putting the ‘secret ingredient’ in the ‘flu vaccine if there us insufficient uptake of the covid hab.

        2. The BIG question that nobody, let alone the MSM, asks is WHY did big pharma demand (and get) immunity from compensation prosecutions IF the vaccine produces adverse effects?

          Could it possibly be that they are worried that not enough testing was done?

          The question everyone should ask of those administering the vaccine, “Will you give me a signed document, in which you will waive any immunity and be responsible for any adverse effects I may suffer?”

          1. cars will be powerless soon if they keep pushing battery power for all, so it will hardly matter if there are drivers or not.

  89. I’m watching the Royal Variety Performance (Who knew Jason Manford could sing?).
    I’m sure one of the backing dancer pairs is two women. I havent spotted a pair of yer males yet tho’.

    3. I was enjoying it until some blick guy from Malawi came on. The usual unfunny stuff which obviously he thinks is edgy.

    1. “Pitching the development’s green credentials a Thakeham spokesperson said: “South-west Cambridgeshire would deliver new benchmarks in sustainability. Homes would be zero-carbon in lifetime use and each home built would be carbon neutral in production.”
      We’re all going to be better off dead and gone and not having to listen to this drivel. Drivel that will be signed off with a, “That sounds just what we need.”

      1. A good friend of mine lives in a new development in north London that has communal hearing and hot water systems in apartment blocks that relies on “renewables”. She hasn’t actually had any heating or hot water for about a week.

        2. I am very much in favour of renewable energy – not because it will be greener or save the planet but because it would reduce our dependence on Arab oil. Having said that, the renewable energy source must be technologically sound, safe, practical, cheap and easy to maintain. So far, I can’t see that any of the usual suspects meet these requirmements other than on a very small scale or in certain limited conditions.

          1. Let’s do our part to clean up the planet and cut down pollution, just don’t assume that this is going to roll back the changing weather patterns.

            You have concerns about Arab oil, Canada has lots of oil but still import from the Middle East. Apparently far easier to import oil than to persuade Trudeau and friends to allow pipelines across Canada.

          2. Yes, we should do all we can to clean up the planet and reduce pollution but I fear that population increase is a bigger problem. My objections to Arab oil is that the vast wealth that it has brought to Arab countries has caused war, misery, terrorism and cost to the ordinary people of those countries and to the world at large. Without that wealth, the world would be a safer place.

          3. You missed out the bit about there being no modern civilization without ME oil… but still, I suppose we could burn coal like wot the Victorians did, to ummm, er, save the planet…

          4. That’s a bit like saying that there wouldn’t have been a modern civilisation without the Atlantic Ocean. If there had been no ME oil, we would have found another source of energy (Canadian, US, South American, or South-East Asian oil, for example) or developed synthetic materials rather than oil-based plastics.

          5. Would we ?

            I don’t think there’s enough to go round compared to the vast easily exploited ME reserves.

            Maybe the answer would have been to have kept the ME in Western control thereby solving the problems you specify.

          9. Not my Trudeau, he is PM but not on my vote.

            The son may be more corrupt, at every turn there is another story surfaces about liberal corruption. No worries, the press have been openly bribed with media support grants(to encourage local newspapers to continue is the excuse).

            At this very moment there is an item on the TV news about the hundreds of millions sent to China for alcohol based hand sanitizer but not a dollar was directed towards Canadian alcohol manufacturers who had switched production to the needed sanitizer.

          12. Oh you mean climate has never changed until about 20-30 years ago but it has now?

            Okkaay… that explains why at one time the ice where Birmingham is now was about a mile thick….

          14. Well, surely the reason climate has never changed until 20 30 years ago is due entirely to Mr Soros and Mr Gates ?

            After all, they never say it did, so it can’t have done. Can it ?

            Unless Mr Soros and Mr Gates are being deliberately misleading of course.

          15. Like the Solar ‘Farms’ proposed by ENSO and EDF that will cover 404 acres of good, food-producing, arable land and surround rural villages like Somersham, Flowton, parts of Burstall and Bramford, at a time when we already have to already import 39% of our food.

            That’s all very sustainable and renewable, while the area of Suffolk affected will get no benefit from all this ‘renewable’ energy – no, it’s all being piped South to feed the Great Wen.

          16. That is not the sort of renewable energy that I am in favour of. Your example shows just how much renewable energy can cost – not just in terms of money but in terms of blighting the landscape and preventing agriculture.

      2. I once asked in our local supermarket why it was so hot ( the wall of glass where the tills are faces South ). I was gobsmacked when the reply was . . . “All our supermarkets are controlled by the computer at Head Office. So if it is hot there – -and cold elsewhere – all the heating is off “.

    2. I remember the small village of Bourne. We would visit the pub there Admiral Nelson, from memory, where they served a decent Sunday roast and steak.

      Bourne us now subsumed by the new ‘village’ of Cambourne, a soul destroying arrangement of what I term brick paper buildings. This is happening all around Cambridge. Cambridge has expanded its science research campuses and these and the laboratories require staffing by scientists from the USA and other countries, all of whom need housing.

      The old Cambridge is effectively now lost.

    3. I remember the small village of Bourne. We would visit the pub there Admiral Nelson, from memory, where they served a decent Sunday roast and steak.

      Bourne us now subsumed by the new ‘village’ of Cambourne, a soul destroying arrangement of what I term brick paper buildings. This is happening all around Cambridge. Cambridge has expanded its science research campuses and these and the laboratories require staffing by scientists from the USA and other countries, all of whom need housing.

      The old Cambridge is effectively now lost.

    1. We enjoyed our first bottle of Beaujolais Nouveau last week, and thought it a very pleasant, slurpable wine! This year more than most, but will not last long….

    2. 327308+ up ticks,
      Evening LD,
      I believe that “elegant taking the knee” is going to make
      an appearance also.

      1. I’d have more tolerance for this ‘taking the knee’ bolux if it were called kneeling.

        1. 327308+ up ticks,
          Evening SiadC,
          Yes, or maybe cringing would be very apt in does align with
          submissive pcism & appeasement.

    3. The Olympics lost any interest for me when they admitted professional tennis and gave a gold medal to the likes of Murray and Navratilova.

      Before that the drugged up athletes from the Moustachioed Female Russian and Eastern European weight lifters and shot putters, the under-nourished and sexually underdeveloped Russian and Polish gymnasts, Linford Christie who went from a stick insect to a muscle man in a year and Carl Lewis, Ben Johnson and countless other drugs cheats possibly including ‘Sir’ Mo Farah.

      On top of that the spectacle, say, of the Athens Olympics where excavations destroyed historic sites and the supposed legacy buildings remain rotting heaps of concrete. In London the Olympic Stadium appears to have been flogged off to a football club for a pittance. Some legacy.

  96. Mail to Mr R……………..

    So was the sale of QinetiQ in 2002 – 2006 a carefully organized fraud to benefit friends of Tony Blair and John Major, including George Soros.. and themselves ?

    It’s hard, imho, to see how it could be otherwise.

    If that’s true, it would mean Tony Blair and John Major are fraudsters.

    Such a hypothesis complies with a range of other evidence, including the sale of 750 UK state buildings in 2000 to Mr Soros in a sweetheart deal by Tony Blair and the motive for the April 1996 New York Plaza Hotel conference. As well as the sweetheart fiscal expansion 2009 and the sweetheart IndyMac Bank rescue between Soros and Obama.

    What are the implications ?

    If true, extremely serious across a range of other events since 1990, as of course is obvious to anyone who has studied that period of UK history.. with equally serious implications for the present.

    More to come !

    Polly

    1. Sadly, Mr Trump’s protests are not going too well. Any more major revelations due? Has the kraken pushed off!

      1. Everything will be fine…

        Donald is not leaving the White House until 2024, and Biden will never be president.

    2. Sadly, Mr Trump’s protests are not going too well. Any more major revelations due? Has the kraken pushed off!

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