956 thoughts on “Wednesday 25 September: The Supreme Court judgment ignored Parliament’s anti-democratic refusal to allow an election”

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    Morning everyone. There is many a true word drawn in Jest! It would seem to me that Boris Johnson is now Prime Minister in name only and that true power at present lies in Parliament with Bercow as de facto Head of State (he’s not only usurped Johnson’s position but that of the Queen also) and as such he can now pass any law that he can persuade the members to support. The first will probably be to ban No-deal which will effectively destroy Brexit. After that, well power has a habit of going to people’s heads so one must not assume that will be the end of it.

    That said this Parliamentary Junta (for that is what it is) is united in only one thing; its opposition to Brexit, so it will eventually fragment as its members seek to attain power for themselves. The country at large will split also and a state of Civil War either passive or overt will supervene under the patronage of the EU. The consequences of this for the ordinary people will be dire as it will be in the Commissions interests to keep this divergence in being as they strip the last vestiges of Military, Political and Economic independence from the UK. This is of course to a degree speculation; the one thing we can be absolutely certain of is that the Constitutional arrangement that has served the UK for the last 200 years is as dead as mutton!

      2. It won’t save us if all we get is the same numpties returned in their safe seats, many of them in London.

        For this to work, they need to be opposed in every constituency by candidates who are capable, willing, honest and conscientious. Are we capable of generating enough of them to make a difference, and will enough people vote for them?

      3. Rest assured that if the GBP vote the ‘wrong’ way, the election result will not stand.
        Lovverly jubberley, say the lawyers rubbing their hands.
        And that’s before we factor in the Peterborough effect.

      4. What’s the point? Why bother letting them change sides? Their manifestos are lies, their actions unaccountable and all law they pass destructive and irrelevant.

  3. Are we now set to be ruled by whomever has the most money to take the government to court and we all know who that is.

  4. I am in shock.
    As a staunch Monarchist I have supported HM The Queen against many who would see her position abolished and replaced with an elected President.
    Today, I see Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II as a sock-puppet and indeed we do have a President, all be it unelected, in the form of the Speaker of the House of Commons.
    I fear greatly for the future of my country.

    1. I agree. The whole point of the monarchy is not as some ceremonial floozy to grace our banknotes and delight tourists; it is to provide a backstop when democracy fails, which it will inevitably, thanks to human nature.

      The Firm has acted as a Family Regency for some time, due to the Queen’s advanced old age limiting what she can do. That is entirely reasonable – it is not fair to expect a 93-year-old to have the energy to run a household on her own, let alone a nation and a commonwealth.

      There are reservations about the capabilities of some in the family to take on the constitutional role destiny has foisted on them this year, but monarchy is not a meritocracy (and cannot be, or it would be run by politicians), and we make best use with what we have got. It is an important skill for all of us to learn and apply. Instead of cherry picking “the best talent” and getting instead very expensive self-serving celebrities, we need to learn to bring on the imperfect and flawed and make them good.

      Right now, I would like now to hear a Statement to the Nation from the Queen, explaining her position, and from her (and not from Bercow or the BBC or anyone else) precisely why she has decided now to accept the Advice from the Supreme Court in preference to that of her Prime Minister and recall Parliament. Alternatively she is quite within her rights, I feel, to discharge the whole damned lot of them and call an Election herself, handing the duty of Government where it rightly belongs – with her loyal subjects – and replace the Supreme Court judges with those appointed from her Royal Commission that will honour and respect her position as Queen.

      1. Morning JM,
        Well put, could not agree more, with me my personal standing is
        God,Queen, Country, UKIP.

        1. ‘Fraid Queen has gone a long way down in my personal; standing. She is just letting us go down the plughole without a fight. She is letting everyone down on everything she stands stood for.

          The only reason I don’t oppose monarchy per se is because a president would be even worse.

          1. Morning HL,
            Your choice of feeling, mine is the royals past
            allegiance to these Isles / peoples far outweighs any current issues manipulated by
            proven odious politico’s / peoples.

          2. Her Majesty typically does not get involved and consents to the government of the day. In that consistency she guarantees democracy without interference.

            Sadly, this country is not a democracy while scum like Berco are not kicked in the gonads and branded ‘smarmy hypocrite’.

          3. Morning, wibs,

            IMO the Queen is precisely NOT guaranteeing democracy without interference. Perhaps something different is needed from her. Perhaps she should produce – if she is too old to, then she should form some kind of body that will.

          4. Good morning HL,
            Nip back into history for a moment.
            “With the outbreak of war in 1939, there was some suggestion that the
            Queen and her daughters should evacuate to North America or Canada. To
            this the Queen made her famous reply: ‘The children won’t go without me.
            I won’t leave the King. And the King will never leave.’ Thus throughout
            the Second World War the Queen and her children (*Princess Elizabeth and Princess Margaret) shared the dangers and
            difficulties of the rest of the nation. She was in Buckingham Palace
            when it was bombed in September 1940.”

            Her Majesty the Queen is 93 years young, but is not “just letting us go down the plughole without a fight”.

          5. That was the former Queen Mother. I agree the Queen has done some good PR and supported the Commonwealth, but she seems to be a toothless Defender of the Realm. She has not prevented democracy being overthrown and justice being perverted. That is part of her role.

      2. Apologies, but politicians are not elected on merit. We’re given a choice of someone useless, cretinous, deceitful and moronic and told to choose one of them who will spend four years ignoring our wishes and doing whatever he likes.

        1. Absolutely, untrustworthy elected representatives are effectively dictators in the illusion of democracy that is duplicitously called ‘Parliamentary Democracy’,

    2. Some years ago, then Canadian PM Steven Harper prorogued parliament to avoid having to face a vote of no confidence.At that time I wished that the Queen (she is our head of state as well) would have told Harper to sod off and face the music.

      There are times that the head of state should be expected to say and do something to stop unacceptable behaviour in the ranks.

  5. The Farming Programme reported that one consequence of the Supreme Court’s cancellation of the PM’s advice to the Queen and the Tory Party Conference is that the Agriculture Bill had been revived.This important piece of legislation replaced the Common Agricultural Policy after Brexit, and affects the viability of farming in the UK, the quality of our food, and the nation’s rural heritage and landscape.

    This has been languishing through Parliament like an Alpine glacier and was thought to be lost, but can be put back on the agenda now, but unlikely to be made law. Parliament has more important things to do, such as making Boris squirm over Brexit, witch hunts over “antisemitism”, “homophobia”, “islamophobia”, or any other violations of appropriate thought that are seem far more newsworthy than feeding the nation and stopping the world becoming a desert in my lifetime.

    What do I make of this? Is Parliament capable of doing the job we pay them for, or are they going to waste this extra time ordered by the Supreme Court yet again on frippery and nonsense at public expense and the peril of the national interest?

    By rights, a general election should clear them out. The whole lot of them from Bercow downwards, but Safe Seats and British stupidity will make sure this cannot happen. Usually, it’s the decent ones (such as the West Country Liberal Democrats) who are scapegoated to make even more room for the charlatans. London MPs are laughing all the way to the trough.

    In losing confidence in British democracy (probably the intention of the Remain camp, but the Leave camp has hardly provided a better vision), the conclusion that the markets and very many people here and abroad must make is that the British are unfit to run an independent and sovereign nation, and certainly lack the skills they once might have had before 1973, and should now leave it entirely to the Germans. There are some who felt we should have done this in the 1930s.

    It is a damning indictment on Westminster.

    1. Of course they’ll waste it. Their own ego and self interest vastly trumps anything the nation might need.

  7. Putin Begins Installing Equipment To Cut Russia’s Access To World Wide Web. Sep 24, 2019, 12:50pm.

    Earlier this year, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed the Russian Internet (RuNet) into law to protect the country’s communications infrastructure in case it was disconnected from the world wide web—or so he said. Critics argued it was opening a door to a Chinese-style firewall disconnecting Russia from the outside world.

    Ahhh! Free democratic Russia pulling up the internet drawbridge to protect itself from totalitarian Europe.

    The irony!

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/09/24/russia-begins-installing-equipment-to-cut-its-access-to-world-wide-web/#6d2777026574

    1. I’d sooner trust Putin any day of the week than any western politician except for say, two. They treat Russia as the bogeyman to suit the Yanks’ globalist warmongering so when Russia does things for the Russian’s benefit people scoff mock etc.

    3. Considering the fight going on to prevent HTTPS DNS lookups, the state mandated law of enforcement and monitoring by the police for the nonsense of ‘hate speech’ we don’t have a free web either.

      Just look at the deliberate politicisation by the Left of Twitter and Farcebook.

    1. SIR – According to the Supreme Court, the prorogation had “an extreme effect upon the fundamentals of our democracy”. What democracy? Is that the democracy that wilfully ignores 17.4 million of its own citizens?

      Dr Gordon Mudge
      Marlborough, Wiltshire

      1. Not as much as the extreme effect on the fundamentals of our democracy by ordering the Queen to annul formal Advice given to her by her Prime Minister.

        1. No. Her Majesty agrees to what government advises.

          Parliament is desperate, for it’s own greed and malice to overturn the instruction of the people.

          That is the very basis of our democracy – that we are sovereign. When parliament stood opposed to our will it must be prevented from doing so.

    2. In the “good old days” the whole pack of them would have been in the Tower (via Traitors’ Gate) before they could finish their statements!!

    1. “Well, I couldn’t care less whether you like it or not”.

      Precisely the same sentiments expressed by Londoner Lib Dem former MP, Lynne (now Baroness) Featherstone, when announcing in 2014 a public consultation over Single Gender Marriage, which was pushed through Parliament without a White Paper, Green Paper, Queen’s Speech, nor was on any of the manifestos of the parties standing for Parliament in 2010.

      This set a precedent I said at the time was bloody dangerous.

  10. The remainers might be rejoicing at this parliamentary coup, but one day they will come for them and there won’t be any democratic way of stopping them.

    1. Whose they? The LP and his motley crew? This time of the morning he’ll be out on his morning stroll bagging a brace of peasants. He’ll have to get up a lot earlier to bag me.

        1. All that will happen is more smoke and mirrors to string it out. Only one way this will be settled. In my limited experience in court, the judges make it up as they go along as the guidelines are meant to be grey so one day a QC can prosecute a case and win and the next day he’ll defend the exact same case and get an acquittal.

          1. When everything is so vague it is a bit harsh to accuse someone of breaking the law, this is where it has all become politicised.

      2. “Whose they?”

        Are you asking to whom ‘they’ belong or do you mean ‘Who’s or indeed ‘Who are’?

          2. Yes, plagued with them today, Hubris, Malaprop ellipsis whose who is whoare and not one was Peddy the Pedant himself. But one of them erred after telling me what I should do, don’t forget to proof read before hitting sent! Them missed ism off Malaprop and had to edit.

        2. Fack nose. Are you all after Peddy’s crown or is it a concerted effort by Nottlers Anonymous to drive me from this… domain?

    2. I’d like it to happen within my lifetime, but I suspect even my grandchildren will be lucky to see democracy restored to these islands.

  11. Young man knifed to death in second fatal stabbing in London within just three hours

    A young man has been knifed to death in the second fatal stabbing in west London within just three hours.
    The first knife attack unfolded in Hillingdon Tube station in front of horrified witnesses shortly before 4pm on Tuesday.
    A man was fatally stabbed following an “altercation” on the platform involving a group of young men, police believe.
    In a separate incident, officers were called to reports of a fight near Ealing Common at about 6pm.

  13. Coastal communities in UK and overseas facing climate impacts

    More Climate change spin. Yes there is coastal erosion mainly on the East Coast where it is a ligt sandy soil . THe sea defences have been allowed to fall into disrepair and the tide erodes the sandy cliffs

    Some railway lines have been affected by storms but coastal railway lines always have

    I like the concept of Historic Landfill sites disappearing

    The Committee on Climate Change said last year that some 1.2 million homes in England will be at risk of coastal flooding and 100,000 properties will be threatened by eroding coastlines by the 2080s.
    Already homes and infrastructure are being hit and hundreds of miles of major roads and railway lines, dozens of railway stations and even historic landfill sites would be at risk at the coasts by 2100, a report from the committee warned.

    1. I don’t like the concept of Historic Landfill sites disappearing into the sea.

      There was a documentary recently about what actually goes into landfill sites, digging over three: one Victorian, one from 1960 and one from 1985.

      It was the 1960s site that was filled with all sorts of highly noxious industrial waste as well as plastics. Many of these were dumped in open pits in coastal areas – the Thames Estuary being a favourite. Much of this would poison fish stocks in the North Sea.

    2. Have any islands in the Indian Ocean disappeared under the sea yet? some years ago it was predicted that they would be gone by now

      1. Wasn’t there a neglected report stating that the main part of the problem was the Islands sinking because of tectonic plate movement rather than the sea levels rising?

        2. This is true as regards Great Britain. I remember reading somewhere that the island is a see-saw pivoted on a line between the Wash and the Severn Estuary. As more folk move down South, so Norfolk sinks into the sea, and the Hebrides go up in the air.

          What would be interesting is what happens if we frack the middle of the see-saw.

          1. That is because we are still rebounding from Northern Britain being suddenly relieved of many quadrillions or tons of ice at the end of the last Ice Age.

          2. This happened at the same time as gin was invented. So it was a double whammy with natural melt being supplemented by the transportation South of ice cubes for G&Ts in the stockbroker belt.

      2. Mainly Coral Islands. These are fragile islands usually only a few metres above sea level. These island tend to have a natural life andnd eventually disappear into the sea, No climate change involved

        Reef islands, especially those close to sea level, are not very stable. The cyclones which help to create them may also damage and destroy them. Waves may attack one side and redeposit the material on the other. Precarious though reef islands are, they have nevertheless long been the homes of peoples like the Polynesians and Micronesians in the Pacific and the Maldivians in the Indian Ocean. These people have been able to survive by their seafaring skills, fishing the reef waters, rearing animals and crops on the land, and using for drinking water the thin lens of rainwater held within the reef rock.

    3. H’mmm. Dunwich and Orford spring to mind.
      They were irrevocably altered before the Industrial Revolution.

    4. The sea erodes all cliffs, whether sandy or not. That’s why the cliffs are there in the first place. Cliffs are erosion features, nothing more and nothing less. The direction they face is of no consequence. No erosion, no cliffs and it had been like that since the formation of the oceans.

      ‘Sandy cliffs’ on the east coast? Go to the Berwickshire coast, or St Abbs in Yorkshire and tell me if you see any sand in those cliffs, and if they are ‘soft’ or not. Yet they are erosion features.

      On the coast near me there is a fine example of the longshore drift we were taught in geography at school over 50 years ago. Druridge Bay is a long sandy bay stretching for several miles. Near its north end is a series of low cliffs in glacial boulder clay. In times of storms, coupled with the fortnightly spring tides occasional lumps may fall off them and are washed away. further south there is a wide sandy beach that is more or less neutral. Ay times strms wash sand away yo expose ancient forest stumps on the top of the underlying boulder clay, then shortly after another storm with teh wind in a different direction brings the beach back. At the south end the sand is actually uncreasing as the longshore drift drops its load as it is stalled by the rocky headland at Cresswell. Far from being eroded here the dunes are actually increasing and it’s a damned nuisance when the outlet from the nearby nature reserve is continually being blocked by the accumulating sand, increasing the water levels in the pond and reducing the scope for waders, meaning the outlet has tyo be dug out until the next spring tide/storm combination.

      This happens all along the east coast, north and south of the axis of tilt of the glacial rebound.

      The spit at Spurn is caused by it, as is the shingle beach at Dungeness, where the North Sea meets The Channel.

      Build on a cliff at your peril – anywhere in the world, because one day your building will fall into the sea. T’was ever thus – and it’s got nothing at all to do with rising (or falling) sea levels.

  14. The infallible Supreme Court which is trashing our Constitution?

    John Redwood finds basic errors in Hale’s statement

    I was surprised to learn reading the Supreme Court text of Lady Hale’s statement about the judgement that “Mr Mark Harper, chief whip” attended a meeting of the Privy Council at Balmoral on 28th August 2019.

    I seem to recall Mark Harper ceased to be Chief Whip well before recent events.

    I was also interested to read that “During a recess (as opposed to a Prorogation break) written Parliamentary Questions can be asked and must be answered.” When we broke for the last summer recess the Order Paper told us written questions submitted after the last day of session would be tabled and answered when Parliament returned in September.

    If they can’t get the basics correct…

  15. Late last night a serious accusation was made against me. I was accused of asking questions in a forlorn attempt to solicit replies.
    I take the matter very seriously. Anyway what kind of name is Meredith and which of the 72 genders can it apply to?

      1. Well, why are you still worrying about something that happened three years ago? It ain’t gonna happen. Relax, man. Chill. The only decision you have to make is should your pitchfork be left rusty or sharpened? Or whether or not to invest in pitchforks, lamp posts or piano wire.

          4. I don’t think “we” and your mates on GP do. Still going around and around in ever decreasing circles discussing it for 40 months.

          5. I would. Keyboard warriors who are all sound and fury
            are as useful as chocolate teapots – it’s all talk.
            Not many would actually walk to the fires -the Saxon Queen
            would certainly do so.

          7. If so, why do you and your GP mates still go round and round in ever decreasing circles talking utter bollocks?

      2. Bob3 – I replied to this individual this morning on yesterdays page, quite politely I thought, as that is where the comments should have stayed. Then I have scrolled down and just read these words.

        I think they may be a sensitive soul and I am going to leave them well alone. Especially after the ominous comment this morning that they might “go full troll on me.”

        After those 10 months where I needed to walk around the car each morning looking for “packages” that our friends in Southern Ireland might have left, I don’t know if I could take the strain of verbal insults online.

        On to more important things. 🙂

          1. Oh yes you do!
            My first comment on GP was met by what? Then a load of others piled in. From that moment onwards I was a troll. Ghey. Etc.. It’s called psychological pressing. But whenever I responded, “Swiss Bob, that nasty R6 called me a … berk!
            The second comment, exactly the same as the first, from the same person was about 18 months later. It and my response are below.
            After my response, amazingly she started talking to me.
            The reason for the comment, I pointed out that May had a job to do and it wasn’t getting us out https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/095e741f77fde5345a5240e93dac1b13e2f17b209d3d8a0b5122bf6ecb894ed9.png the EU.
            I hold grudges forever. This life or the next.

          5. Why? Are you happy that your offspring will be tinged as per the Kalergi Plan and the Barcelona Dec.?
            Any way I’m wasting time here, you mind how you go.

    2. I tried to find out what it was about by clicking on your profile, but all I got was “Deal with it”.

      1. I got trolled by a “Leon” geezer on The Spectator and he commented on all my comments. So I was compelled to respond. So, I thought never again.
        My avatar stands out, just scan through yesterday evening and you’ll see R6 vs MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

        1. I found the exchange quite a way down yesterday’s nottling and really don’t see what the fuss is about. Seemed a perfectly acceptable debate about society’s motives for landing graduates in piles of debt, and asking a question to encourage further debate is quite ok.

          “Being full of oneself” is an absurd thing to say about a nottler. We’re all that!

          2. Yes exactly. There are about three comments I responded to after I was commented on. Well, in my case, I’m a professional, it’s a prime requisite of a job I did to be an opinionated bigot. Earlier, I got to know a new word, “hubris”!

  16. The First Images of the Type of Chemical Bomb Used in Syria’s Sarin Attacks. Eliot Higgins 24 September 2019.

    While there might be some passing resemblance to this filler cap and similar caps used on the other munitions, a close examination of these caps show that they only match with each other, not other types of filler caps used in other munitions that have been publicly documented.

    This connection between the attacks is particularly significant as while there was little debris left in the Khan Sheikhoun crater, the Al-Lataminah crater has much more debris surrounding it, including pieces of the tail section of the munition, and two filler caps, one of which was attached to a piece of metal with a suspension lug welded to it — not to mention other objects.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a17e931ad0650dc66ffee71231e576838754102b7444525600a2d1541fe4f1ed.jpg

    Don’t even try to read this. Since Bellingcat was taken over by Integrity Initiative its modus operandi has been Bullshit Baffles Brains and the longer and more obscure the better. This is another attempt to reinstate the Syrian Governments responsibility for the use of chemical weapons in the war against the Jihadists.

    Aside from the fact that the so called filler cap has never been mentioned before and there is no proof that it was involved in the attack, the highlighted statement above can be refuted with a simple photograph of the crater which has a piece of debris that was touted (however erroneously) as the delivery system. Even Eliot Higgins would have managed to notice it if his head were not stuffed up MI6’s backside!

    https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2019/09/24/the-first-images-of-the-type-of-chemical-bomb-used-in-syrias-sarin-attacks/

  17. The Smiths were unable to conceive children and decided to use a surrogate father to start their family. On the day the proxy father was to arrive, Mr. Smith kissed his wife goodbye and said, ‘Well, I’m off now. The man should be here soon.’

    Half an hour later, just by chance, a door-to-door baby photographer happened to ring the doorbell, hoping to make a sale.

    ‘Good morning, Ma’am’, he said, ‘I’ve come to…’

    ‘Oh, no need to explain,’ Mrs. Smith cut in, embarrassed, ‘I’ve been expecting you.’

    ‘Have you really?’ said the photographer. ‘Well, that’s good. Did you know babies are my specialty?’

    ‘Well that’s what my husband and I had hoped. Please come in and have a seat.’

    After a moment she asked, blushing, ‘Well, where do we start?’

    ‘Leave everything to me. I usually try two in the bathtub, one on the couch, and perhaps a couple on the bed. And sometimes the living room floor is fun. You can really spread out there.’

    ‘Bathtub, living room floor? No wonder it didn’t work out for Harry and me!’

    ‘Well, Ma’am, none of us can guarantee a good one every time. But if we try several different positions and I shoot from six or seven angles, I’m sure you’ll be pleased with the results.’

    ‘My, that’s a lot!’, gasped Mrs. Smith.

    ‘Ma’am, in my line of work a man has to take his time. I’d love to be in and out in five minutes, but I’m sure you’d be disappointed with that.’

    ‘Don’t I know it,’ said Mrs. Smith quietly.

    The photographer opened his briefcase and pulled out a portfolio of his baby pictures. ‘This was done on the top of a bus,’ he said.

    ‘Oh, my God!’ Mrs. Smith exclaimed, grasping at her throat.

    ‘And these twins turned out exceptionally well – when you consider their mother was so difficult to work with.’

    ‘She was difficult?’ asked Mrs. Smith.

    ‘Yes, I’m afraid so. I finally had to take her to the park to get the job done right. People were crowding around five deep to get a good look’

    ‘Five deep?’ said Mrs. Smith, her eyes wide with amazement.

    ‘Yes’, the photographer replied. ‘And for more than three hours, too. The mother was constantly squealing and yelling. I could hardly concentrate, and when
    darkness approached, I had to rush my shots. Finally, when the squirrels began nibbling on my equipment, I just had to pack it all in.’

    Mrs. Smith leaned forward. ‘Do you mean they actually chewed on your, uh…. equipment?’

    ‘It’s true, Ma’am, yes.. Well, if you’re ready, I’ll set-up my tripod and we can get to work right away.’

    ‘Tripod?’

    ‘Oh yes, Ma’am. I need to use a tripod to rest my Canon on. It’s much too big to be held in the hand very long.’

    And then Mrs Smith fainted…

  18. The primary reason most politician want us to stay in the EU seems to be to ensure the floodgates to mass migration remain open

    Most of the problems the UK is suffering from in my view have a root causes as decades of mass migration and the UK simply cannot cope with the huge numbers of people that have arrived on our shores and continue to do so

    Our housing, water suppliers, food supplies, NHS, Schools, Police etc are all totally unable to cope

    The simplistic solution the politicians come up with is we simply need to build more homes , schools, hospitals and recruit more GP;s Doctors, nurses police etc . Where you find an instant supply of trained staff they dont explain more can they explain how we will pay for all this. How they reduce CO2 whilst increasing the population is not explained neither

    Another big mystery is Migrants are said to earn more, pay more taxes and claim fewer benefits but somehow this does not show up in the figures for the economy as we still have a large deficient as well as a huge amount of debt

    Another massive problem will be when all these migrants retire. The government is not funding for this

    2. “Migrants are said to earn more, pay more taxes and claim fewer benefits but somehow this does not show up in the figures.”

      That is because these statements are lies. These people are not being brought in to aid the growth of the economy. There are many educated people that we could bring in from around the world that would make our country stronger. Not least from Hong Kong where many of them actually ADMIRE our way of life and are keen to wave our flag in the streets.

      These migrants are being brought in to drag our society down and to break it. To end our Western democracy because it stops those who want to rule us as overlords from being able to ignore the voters and do as they wish. Although, as we have seen recently, those who want to rule us without the bother of meaningful elections are having a very good try at ignoring us already.

      1. It really says something about the mindset of these prospective overlords. Who would want to rule over countries where everything that is interesting, decent and worthwhile has been bred out of them?

        And history shows, that when the overlords have reached their nirvana, then that still won’t be enough for them. Too much is never enough for that type of human, they always want that bit more…

        Morning, MM.

        1. Good morning. 🙂

          These people who want to rule us have a very sick mindset and want to do things that would make most “normal” people beat them senseless. We have read some of the scandals, or at least those we are allowed to know about. They only care about the tiny world that they live in and their twisted desires.

          With our democracy and rule of law gone, they will be free to act like children in a sweetshop. Unfortunately they will be playing with real children if some of the rumours are true. You can see them sneaking in their laws to sexualise children and what they are being taught is reality already. We are a threat to them, so we must be removed.

          Of the many fights that this country has had, this one against them is really worth winning.

      2. When Hong Kong returned to China, the UK would not accept those who wished to leave Hong Kong and come here. Many went to Canada instead, to their mutual benefit.

        1. Disagree. Cities in Canada stuffed with Asian peoples and white flight is occurring. Gang ethnicity includes Vietnamese, Punjabi and Chinese (Triads).

    2. Morning Bill

      It is a blowy rainy September day, I can smell the salt in the air.. certainly not a day for climbing ladders.

      Moh’s car , driving side door is gurgling with water trapped inside.. perhaps he should drill a hole to let it out , dunno what to do!

      1. There should already be holes somewhere along the bottom of the door precisely so that water can run out. However, over time, these can get blocked with dirt, leaves and other detritus. As Theoldboot says, a small screwdriver or anything similar can be used to prod out the rubbish.

  20. Good morning thinkers

    Littlejohn https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7501123/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-dont-drag-John-Bercow-Supreme-Court.html

    “Yet I wonder how many of John Bercow’s recent machinations would stand up in a court of law. Boris has been found guilty of playing fast and loose with parliamentary precedent.

    But Bercow has spent the last three years bending the rules, conniving with Remain ultras to turn the relationship between MPs and the executive on its head.

    Where’s the precedent for MPs seizing the order of parliamentary business from the Government?

    Where, for that matter, is the precedent for Parliament deliberately refusing to implement the result of a referendum for which they voted and promised to honour?

    Where is the precedent for those who have seized control of the House then effectively taking the Prime Minister hostage and passing a hasty law to prevent him negotiating properly on a major constitutional and foreign policy issue?

    Where is the precedent for emasculating a Prime Minister but refusing to allow him to call a general election? “

    1. Ah, but they didn’t promise to honour it. They promised to ‘respect’ it.

      I imagine most were thinking ‘Oh, that’s nice. You want to leave the EU. We don’t, it’s our gravy train so tough.’

    1. I wonder if you are trying (unsuccessfully) to describe an ellipsis…

      …definition

      ellipsis (/ɪˈlɪpsɪs/) Learn to pronounce
      noun
      The omission from speech or writing of a word or words that are superfluous or able to be understood from contextual clues.
      “It is very rare for an ellipsis to occur without a linguistic antecedent”
      a set of dots (…) indicating an ellipsis.

        1. I try to be sure I have my facts correct, that the post makes sense and is grammatically correct before pressing ‘Post’.

          It’s called proof-reading.

          1. Are you trying to take the crown away from Peddy the Pedantic Pedant? I could make excuses as to why I errrrred but …

          2. There are several on here that value the beauty and precision of our native English language and will rise to defend it and point out its misuse.

            At the same time we harbour the, often forlorn, hope of educating some.

          3. Well I will reiterate what I told Peddy. I was forced to go to a grammar school. I didn’t want to be there. My parents moved 70 miles to a hamlet near the big city. I had the piss taken out of my accent and since then I don’t like middle class tossers. Later my parents moved to a council house from a tied farm cottage. Now the question I ask is, do you think I put more value on spelling and grammar or the ability to fight?

          4. I wonder if it occurred to you that your parents might have moved 70 miles in an effort to get away from you. Unfortunately you found them again.

            As for learning and fighting, most of us managed both.

          5. You really are grade one middle class tosser. and like most of your limp wristed kind couldn’t fight for toffees. Tell me genius, according to the British Army there are three types of men, so excluding sociopaths and psychopaths what are they and in which group are you in.
            They actually moved 70 miles to get away from my controlling battleaxe grandma, but I was the main reason why they were there.

          6. The reason I didn’t get my facts correct is because I was stressing about a meeting I was going to have with the council. Don’t worry schiesse for brains it went badly. I have no chance of getting a council property
            Incorrect Gender
            Incorrect Colour
            Incorrect Race
            Too old
            And no disability
            But I’m working on mental angle. Have appointment with quack on 21/10/2019. I was having a laugh and joke with the receptionist and she was finding it funny, and no doubt were those in the packed waiting room behind.
            I told her I’ll be really mad by then.
            So in response to your proof reading. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d7d5efd1b8ab8e4c56783d2c33972cf70421cb0114fdf176761aee6ec29fe363.jpg

  22. Good morning all. I trust that everyone is having an early breakfast, because the sight of smug, triumphalist Bercow and his rotten crew returning to Parliament at 11.30 is going to be truly nauseating!

    It does make me wonder exactly what powers the Prime Minister actually has in this Brave New World. He cannot prorogue Parliament to bring about his own domestic agenda. He cannot take Britain out of the EU without a deal. He has to seek an extension to Article 50 whether he wants to or not. He cannot go to the people to resolve the issue in a General Election. He appears to be the slave of Parliament, the Speaker and now the Supreme Court. Should we just abolish his position and put Bercow in charge? At least that would be honest.

    1. I will not be watching any coverage of them returning to the House today. The idea of looking at these people, who are actively trying to destroy our way of life, and seeing them make meaningless speeches congratulating each other on the “triumph of democracy” is not appealing. It would be amusing to see the viewing figures for the news channels drop to zero while they were virtue signalling their hearts out.

      Will these simpletons in their little Westminster bubble be smiling so much when the consequences of their actions come to pass? I would not want to be in their position for all of the tea in China.

      1. They call it democracy when they mean ‘they get their way’. These are not democrats. They are cowards, liars and thieves.

  23. My brain hurts with all this nonsense. If you can make sense of it you must be a genius

    Heterosexual- The attraction to a gender different from their own (commonly used to describe someone who is gender binary [female or male] attracted to the other binary gender).

    Homosexual- The attraction to a gender the same as their own (commonly used to describe someone who is gender binary [female or male] attracted to the same binary gender). Sometimess referred to as gay.

    Lesbian- Women who are attracted only to other women

    Bisexual- When you are attracted to two or more genders. This term is generally used to describe being attracted to men and women, but can apply to being attracted to any two or more genders. Note that you do not have to be equally attracted to each gender.

    Pansexual- When you are attracted to all genders and/or do not concern gender when you are attracted towards someone

    Bicurious- People who are open to experiment with genders that are not only their own, but do not know if they are open to forming any sort of relationship with multiple genders.

    Polysexual- When you are attracted to many genders

    Monosexual- Being attracted to only one gender

    Allosexual- When you are not asexual (attracted to at least one gender)

    Androsexual- Being attracted to masculine gender presentation

    Gynosexual- Being attracted to feminine gender presentation

    Questioning- People who are debating their own sexuality/gender

    Asexual- Not experiencing sexual attraction (note that you can also be aromantic and you do not necessarily have to be asexual and aromantic at the same time). Sometimes the term, ace, is used to describe asexuals.

    Demisexual- When you only experience sexual attraction after forming a strong emotional bond first or a romantic bond
    Grey Asexual- When you only experience attraction rarely, on a very low scale, or only under certain circumstances

    Perioriented- When your sexual and romantic orientation targets the same gender (for example being heteromantic and heterosexual or being biromantic and bisexual)

    Varioriented- When your sexual and romantic orientations do not target the same set of genders (for example being heteromantic and bisexual or being homoromantic and pansexual)

    Heteronormative- The belief that hetersexuality is the norm and that sex, gender, sexuality, and gender roles all align
    Erasure- Ignoring the existance of genders and sexualities in the middle of the spectrum

    Cishet- Someone who is both cisgendered and heterosexual. This is sometimes used as a slur.

    Polyamorous- An umbrella term referring to people who have or are open to have consensually have relationships with multiple people at the same time

    Monoamorous- People who have or or open to have relationships with only one other person at a time. The term, monogamous, is also sometimes used.
    Queer- A reclaimed slur for anybody in the LGBT+ community or who do not identify as cisgender and/or hetersexual/heteromantic

    Ally- A supporter of the LGBT+ community that does not identify as LGBT+
    Gender & Sex

    Sex- Your assigned gender at birth and/or the gender of your reproductive organs

    Gender- Where you feel that you personally fall on the spectrum between male and female. Commonly people identify as male or female, but some fall in the middle or move throughout the spectrum.

    Cisgender- When you identify with the gender you were assigned at birth

    Transgender- When you identify with a gender different than that you were assigned at birth

    Transsexual- When you have had Gender Reassignment Surgery (GRS) to change the sexual organs you were born with to that of a different gender.

    *note that you will sometimes see an astrid after Trans (Trans*) which is meant to include both transgendered and transsexual individuals

    Male to Female (MtF)- When somebody that is assigned as a male at birth identifies as a female

    Female to Male (FtM)- When somebody that is assigned as a female at birth identifies as a male

    Binary- The genders at each end of the gender spectrum (male and female)

    Non-Binary- An umbrella term for genders that fall somewhere in the middle of the gender spectrum and are neither strictly male or female. This can be used as a gender identification without further explanation. Sometimes the term, genderqueer, is used.
    Genderfluid- Moving between genders or having a fluctuating gender identity

    Agender- Not identifying with any gender. Sometimes referred to as being genderless or gendervoid

    Bigender- Identifying as two genders, commonly (but not exclusively) male and female. Sometimes you feel like both genders at the same time and sometimes you fluctuate.

    Polygender- When you identify with multiple genders at once. Sometimes referred to as multigender.

    Neutrois- When you identify as agender, neither male nor female, and/or genderless

    Gender Apathetic- When you really do not identify nor care about any particular gender. You are fine passing off as whatever and you really do not have an opinion towards your own gender.

    Androgyne- This term overlaps a lot between gender identification and presentation. It can be used to describe others and as an identification. This term is used to describe people who are neither male nor female or are both male and female. Basically anyone who does not fit into a binary gender category.

    Intergender- Somebody who’s gender is somewhere between male and female

    Demigender- When you feel as if you are one part a defined gender and one or more parts an undefined gender. Terms can include demigirl, demiboy, demiagender, ect.

    Greygender- Somebody with a weak gender identification of themselves

    Aporagender- Somebody with a strong gender identification of themselves that is non-binary

    Maverique- A non-binary gender that exists outside of the orthodox social bounds of gender

    Novigender- A gender that is super complex and impossible to describe in a single term

    Designated gender- A gender assigned at birth based on an individuals sex and/or what gender society percieves a person to be

    AFAB- Assigned Female At Birth

    AMAB- Assigned Male At Birth

    Gender roles- Certain behaviors an activities expected/considered acceptable of people in a particular society based upon their designated gender

    Gender Presentation- The gender you present yourself to others. This is sometimes referred to as gender expression

    Transitioning- The process of using medical means to change your sex

    Intersex- A biological difference in sex that is when people are born with genitals, gonads, and/or chromosomes that do not match up exactly with male or female. Intersex individuals can have any romantic/sexual orientation and can have any gender identification. Intersex individuals are about as common as redheads.

    Dyadic- Someone who is not intersex and when their gentinals, gonads, and chromosomes can all match into either a male or female category

    Trans Woman- Someone who is assigned as a male at birth, but identifies as a woman

    Trans Man- Someone who is assigned as a female at birth, but identifies as a man

    Trans Feminine- Someone who identifies as feminine, but identifies as neither a man nor a woman. They must also be assigned male at birth.

    Trans Masculine- Someone who identifies as masculine, but identifies as neither a man nor a woman. They must also be assigned female at birth.

    Social Dysphoria- Discomfort experienced when acting in ways socially different than your gender or being addressed in ways different to your gender

    Body Dysphoria- Discomfort experienced because of the difference between gender and your sex, role, or gender expression

    Butch- A term used to describe someone who’s gender expression is more masculine than feminine. This is commonly used in describing women or lesbians.

    Femme (Fem)- A term used to describe someone who’s gender expression is more feminine than masculine. This is commonly used in describing women or lesbians.

    Binarism- Putting gender strictly into two categories (male and female) and refusing to acknowledge genders outside of male and female.

      1. They really are mad

        Novigender- A gender that is super complex and impossible to describe in a single term

    3. Gosh. I didn’t realise grammar was such a problem.
      Even the Germans only assign three genders to their nouns.

        1. Shades of Weimar era Berlin.
          Which was an example of the state breaking down all normality, leading to the lost majority accepting a Ruler of Destiny.

    6. Allosexual – as in ‘Allo, Sailor’?

      Where on earth did you dig up that lexicon of perverted thought?

        1. The Pine Bush Central School District Board of Education recognized. … 7:00 pm-9:00 pm Pine Bush High School, 156 NY-302, Pine Bush, NY 12566, USA.

          Another bunch of the world’s 2% of population, trying to push their views, wants, needs and perversions onto the 98%.

          Best ignored.

    7. Surely bisexual can, by the meaning of the word’s etymology, only apply to attraction to two genders, if it’s more than two the term has to be poly-whatever.

  24. I am going to introduce a new system for the Commons. Election will no longer be held. It will be replaced by a system similar to Jury service where you can be called up to 1 year services as an MP

  25. The conspiracy to impeach Donald, which has failed, has the same roots as the conspiracy to stop Brexit.

    1. Selling a house is a most stressful time ..

      It is a numbers game ..like catching fish, a nibble , lots of nibbles , a few tugs on the line , the right bait , weather conditions , and wooomph , you have a buyer .. Please don’t fret just yet.

      1. There is also the furniture problem. How minimalist do you make the property?
        A friend had a clear out when she put her house on the market.
        The putative buyer offered £26,000 less at the last minute.
        I’m sure he judged, given her age and the disappearance of larger items like dining tables and 3 piece suites, that she was a desperate old biddy and would take any offer.
        He was wrong, but it took a year of disappointments to finally shift the house.

        1. That is what happened to us 5 years ago . It all went to pot.. We still have boxes of stuff everywhere, and one of the spare bedrooms is topped up with stuff that we haven’t a clue what to do with . The house market is so sluggish here , despite the fact they want to build 470 homes here ! in the village.

          1. Morning, Maggie.

            Perhaps the prospective 470 new homes (all to be sold at market price, I wonder?) are the reason that the market is sluggish…

          2. Every new home gets small and smaller. Dining rooms have disappear from many new homes. As long as they can squeeze a tiny table in the can call it a Kitchen Diner. As long as a garage can squeeze in the smallest car on the market they can call it a garage. The roads and foot paths will be made as narrow as they can legally get away with as will all the rooms

          3. Morning HL

            Now there is a word of wisdom , I expect you are quite right . Hope all okay there , wet dog day here .. Visitors arriving later .. and …. having house valued as well .. a ladder sort of day .. We have 2 lofts , I hope the mice aren’t up there !

          5. Generally what seems to happen is with houses is they either sell within a few weeks or stick on the market for several months at all.. There seems to be no logic in what sells quickly and what does not. Seems to be more down to luck than anything

            In spite of claims by estate agents there seems to be little if any difference in the average time to sell between different agents

      2. True, Belle, but only in England and (presumably) in France. In Scotland it’s much easier.

    2. The way things are going now, I’ve occasionally done a casual search for old bunkers. 🙂

      Although ever since I was a child reading “The Hobbit” for the first time, I have been attracted to the idea of living in a remote tower. Either high in the mountains or surrounded by meadows for as far as the eye can see.

      1. I’d like an army of Orcs that I could unleash on parliament, beat up the wasters and force them through the no deal door.

    3. Come on now, Bill, you’ve only been trying for three and a half weeks/months. 17.4 million of us have been trying to leave the EU for three and a half years!

    4. Bonjour etc,

      There is always one buyer for a house, and he she they will appear at the correct moment. Brexit and the Bercoup have stymied (a word I dislike) the market.

      If the United Kingdom descends into real chaos, you may be glad to own your pied à terre a little bit longer. No wish to preach, just trying to cheer you up.

      1. There is a theoretical buyer – English but living permanently in France and so not bothered by the present shenanigens.

    5. Worst thing when I was selling my last house daan saaf to move back to a more civilised area was that there was a field next to it, now under housing of course but at the time still green. But a bunch of kids took to using it as a motorbike motocross track, and the owner didn’t appear to be able to do anything about it. Very nerve racking trying to show people round but living in fear of loud adjacent motor cycle noise…

  28. I didn’t even know that they played rugby in Uruguay. They certainly shocked Fiji. And everyone else!

          2. Don’t you know, Annie? Go down to your local shopping parade and have a butchers! (Good morning, btw.)

    2. I knew they did but only because they, along with the Argentinian Pumas, were one of the few teams that would playthe Springboks during the Sports Boycott. It was always amusing watching the local press puff up the South American teams to make it appear an evenly matched sports contest when in reality it was always going to be a walkover.

  29. Donald is not going to be impeached.

    He set a trap for the conspirators and they walked right into it.

  31. Does anyone – especially a Conservative – really care whether there is a party conference or not?

    2. From a personal point of view, no.

      If nothing else, the events of the last year or two have shone a light on our political class like never before.

      When someone can get shuffled to the Lords because he or she is a mate of a mate of the window cleaner, it’s time for a massive clearout of our ruling class and a long overdue reform of how we’re governed.

    3. Well you know, all the silly billiies will have bought tickets and booked hotels and got all excited about secret liasons , because that is what they do…

      The bubbly corks won’t be popping so much this year , will they !

    1. Morning G,
      Many in the party UKIP called for the 17.4
      million to join UKIP to consolidate the hard won victory as an anti treachery insurance whilst farage was in walking mode.
      Within party members, lessons had been learnt observing the actions of the cameron ( the wretch) / may combo.
      The cry on victory still echo’s “job done leave it to the tories”
      The “nige” compounded his first mistake ie walking out ( I want my life back) on UKIP with slandering the 30000 plus membership,all on record and coming across very much as a current tory.
      This post is fact & not sour grapes fiction.

    1. Thanks for that. Good to see that there is a broad representation of views ……

      I am very glad that I no longer have anything to do with what is now laughingly called “the law”.

      1. How odd that none of them apparently reported a potential conflict of interest before the start of proceedings or had the decency to recuse themselves….

        1. Ah – clever “judges” are always able to set aside any such influences. Unlike the rest of us. Do keep up.

          1. So there’s no possibility of an Appeal against their decision on the basis of what some might allege as undeclared vested interests?

          7. As you know, I know nothing – but I believe that, in theory, HMG could appeal to the European Court of Justice – which would, of course, take several years to come up with the same result as the learned wanqueurs did yesterday…

          8. I suggested this yesterday. If it did take several years that would be fine. If it took even just a few days that would be fine. The EUJ might get a whisper not to find the same as the Supreme Court but to reverse it.
            Firstly, to show their power over it.
            Secondly to demonstrate that they would not take such steps against a (European) Government or Commission.
            It would change nothing in the UK, any more than this has. But it would be a win/win for the EU.

    2. Thanks, though little of this will come as any surprise.

      I am looking forward to a crop of memes following their ludicrous judgement. They deserve all the ridicule and contempt that we can muster.

  35. US patience with Iran not inexhaustible, warns Saudi Arabia. Tue 24 Sep 2019.

    Saudi Arabia has said that US patience with Iran is not inexhaustible and warned that military options are still being considered following the attack on the Aramco oil facilities earlier this month.

    “If you hit me again I’m gonna get my bruvva.”!

    This is one of our allies! A gang of head chopping, gutless, useless, murdering scum! No wonder we are in deep shit!

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/24/us-patience-with-iran-not-inexhaustible-warns-saudi-arabia

      1. If only the fox were MPs, but I fear it is the democratic instruction to leave the EU amongst the savage hounds of the establishment.

        The ‘rich friends’ the Labour party wail about.

        Time for beatings.

  36. I cam home yesterday in a furious temper at the arrogance and disgust I feel for parliamentarians and their spite, malice and greed.

    And then I saw Mongo at the War queen’s side eating the beef from the strog. What did we have? Cheese on toast.

  37. Glorious Day! Wonderful Day!
    One team, big, heavy, fast, powerful and vastly experienced, that is Fiji.
    The other team, well , not really like that. Just determined and tenacious and brave. Uruguay.
    Uruguay won! Hurrah! Classic old-fashioned tackling and going for everything. Brilliant!

  38. Common Security and Defence Policy

    WE no longer have a veto on this. The EU can just carry on with it. By stealth is how the EU works and they are rapidly moving toward an EU controlled Military force

    The Common Security and Defence Policy is the European Union’s course of action in the fields of defence and crisis management, and a main component of the EU’s Common Foreign and Security Policy. Wikipedia

    Budget: $226.73 billion (2016)

  39. Pete North
    @PeteNorth303
    In effect parliament has already nullified the 2016 referendum by reclaiming the right to decide if we leave or not. The power to decide has been stolen from the people by a rogue parliament that won’t submit to an election. It is they who suspended democracy.

    #Brexit

  40. Meanwhile, over in the U.S., the Democrats have announced that they will impeach the President, although no one is entirely sure what for, apart from a phone call with the Ukraine President that a whistleblower has claimed to be “treasonous.” The whistleblower didn’t hear the phone call, hasn’t seen a transcript of the phone call, so doesn’t know exactly what was said. And as of 8pm last night, neither do the Democrats, but they’ve announced that they will impeach Trump nonetheless.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tN-gmiTwijo

    They have launched no formal investigation, via the House or Senate, there’s been no vote in the House or Senate, as is required.

    Any similarity with events in the UK must be entirely coincidental.
    Mustn’t they??

  41. If parliament will not allow the government to govern, and will not allow the people to elect a new government, then parliament must be prorogued.

  43. ‘Morning All

    https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/71188103_1210292139155164_5957288655105032192_o.png.jpg?_nc_cat=108&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQnVgSqPhca9Hgch6WkIIVY-ZYzdZSPTdv5rUW31JIZrJTY23DD9SiC6ouKHH8s_UP0&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=4bfdad5e876aac7e551159ed5baaa34f&oe=5E37E868
    A very British coup,the usual messy business of troops and tanks seizing the TV transmitters is not required,they are already firmly on the side of the usurpers

      1. Lovely! AND I’m still hearing that song – and for some reason now fancy the big guitarist Nick Garvey on the video. I must be getting senile…

    3. Dr Starkey makes much sense, especially when he rebukes the effete interviewer, “You’ve clearly not read the judgment.”.

      Few commentators, this morning, are discussing the fact that the three highest judges in the country (including the Lord Chief Justice and the Master of the Rolls), last week in the High Court, decided unanimously that the action should be thrown out.

      1. “You’ve clearly not read the judgment.”.
        Just as our politicians have clearly not read the WA and some have boasted they didn’t read earlier treaties they signed us up to
        They are a disgrace
        ‘Morning Grizz

  45. Slow start this morning. Are we all shell shocked and why has Boris meekly accepted this “judicial coup” as JR-M has described it?

    1. You seriously want an answer? I’ll give you a reminder. Johnson wrote two letters and on a whim he decided to go for Vote Leave.

      1. AND said that a vote to leave would simply end up in a second referendum where we were offered better terms.

        1. Absolutely no idea about what you’ve written. All I know is that Johnson is a traitorous lying berk just like the other 649 MPs. Do you know what a berk is?

          2. I don’t know why you shouldn’t know, but do you know that is the question? From your curt answer I don’t think you really, really know. I ask to find out if you know, it’s a very simple question. Just humour me, then I promise to go away.

    2. ‘Morning, Clyde. Me too…but I believe that JR-M called it “a constitutional coup”, but no matter; the effect is the same. The Supreme Court has taken immense powers to itself, and without any proper consideration of the background as to how this desperate situation came about. It has placed itself above Parliament and, technically, above the Queen, on the basis that the latter prorogued the former, albeit on the advice of her Prime Minister.

      The letter from Dr Mudge is spot on: is this the same ‘democracy’ that wilfully ignores 17.4m of its own citizens?

      Brexit is now looking dead in the water, and any ‘deal’ will not be our freedom from a corrupt and failing empire. Whatever happens we will remain shackled to it.

      These are very dark days.

    3. There have been several comments and articles about how Boris could circumvent the takeover. As far as I’m aware, he hasn’t attempted to use a single one.

      Not so much a constitutional coup as a chicken coup (ed).

      1. Good morning, Hl. I think this is beginning to show that they are all in it together. The past few days once again have been theatre for our (and less directly) their benefit. I had hoped, against hope, but instinct was telling me something differently. The Queen? I am not so sure about. Was she exploited, or willingly exploited, or in it with them?

          1. Thank you – Poppie is fine – she is on daily Vetoryl for Cushing’s and we wouldn’t know there was anything wrong with her. It was discovered very early on in the process when she went in to have her teeth cleaned, it showed up in the mandatory blood tests for the general anaesthetic.

            It is the ‘mum’ part of the relationship that is not doing so well – I fractured my ankle with ‘severe soft tissue damage’ whilst taking Poppie out for her evening walk almost three weeks ago. In the intervening time we have been on holiday in Cornwall – I spent the time hobbling around as best I could with a fracture boot and crutches. The novelty of all this paraphernalia soon wears off after one gets over the shock of it all and the immediate intense pain abates. I have another five weeks to go – it is a flippin’ nuisance!

    1. I watched that on the news yesterday. It is one of the best one-liners that I have heard in years from a politician. No wonder so many laughed at it. 🙂

      1. ‘Morning, Ethel. I’ve been given 5 new German novels; got my teeth into one last night & before I knew it, it was nearly 2 am.

          1. “Gesprengte Brücken”. No spoilers, please.

            I’m still writing your email – it’s a pot-boiler.

            Ich gehe heut’nachmittag zur Bank.

        4. So you’re a librocubicularist , Mr Viking ? 🙂
          reading them one at a time I presume-
          enjoy them.
          I tend to read a few books at the same time,
          atm for a book group I am starting to read –
          ‘ I and Thou’ by German Philosopher Martin Buber
          ( quite heavy going to say the least ).
          I am also in the process of writing a book review-
          none of which is done by twilight as I need my sleep

  48. I see the only way forward is to vote for Brexit party to overthrow this coup. We will be lucky if we make it. The future does not look good for our past freedoms. We are now run by unelected dictators just like the EU. God help us all.

      1. “Thomas autem non erat cum eis quando venit Iesus.

        Dixerunt ergo ei alii discipuli vidimus Dominum ille autem dixit eis nisi videro in manibus eius figuram clavorum et mittam digitum meum in locum clavorum et mittam manum meam in latus eius non credam.”
        John 20:24-25
        ;¬))

        2. It took three different translators before I found one that could do the job. It translates as:

          “Thomas was not with them when Jesus came.

          They said therefore to him the other disciples we have seen the Lord but he said to them unless I see in his hands the shape of the nails and put my finger in the mark of the nails and put my hand into his side I will not believe.”

          Duncan, whilst we all admire your erudition, even those us who had Latin at school are probably flumoxed by it today. I paraphase Bill’s remark, “We prefer English”.

          4. I don’t criticise your occasional use of Swedish, Peddy.

            I don’t understand it so I would never criticise it.

            ;¬)

          6. I don’t think a scatter of comments in other languages is a problem – I have no knowledge of the northern European languages so have to gloss over many of your comments in Scandi languages etc., but then there are others in English I sweep past fairly swiftly. It’s scarcely a problem.

          7. I apologise if my comment caused you some difficulty but I’m afraid that when I quote from Scripture, I always rely on St. Jerome’s Biblia Vulgata.

            Thing is, when King James VI ordered the distribution of his Authorised Version, it seems the copy he sent to my people went astray in the post.

            There are several others in this forum who can read Latin well enough but if you can’t, don’t worry – as Marcus Tullius Cicero so succinctly put it:

            “Non enim tam praeclarum est scire Latine, quam turpe nescire.”

          8. I always think it a shame that QE or KJIV/I didn’t do to the Irish what they allegedly did to the Welsh, gave them the bible in their own language.

          10. No, I managed to translate that before looking down at your translation – obviously there were a few key words like nail and hand which helps to start working out what it’s about. Have only just noticed the first line with the real giveaway of Thomas in it. I’ll have to test my Latin more often with DM’s offerings. Some years back I did manage to come up with an inscription in Latin for my father’s grave, but had it proof read by someone with a little more recent practice in the language than myself.

    2. If you have a real Conservative Leaver such as Redwood, Patel, Mogg or Raab then I’d still vote for them, if you have a Remainer Conservative or Labour MP then vote for the Brexit Party. The more Remainers that we turf out of the Commons then the greater the chance of us waving goodbye to the EU before our country is overrun.

      The only thing that could stop us leaving the EU is if we vote back into office the same people that are stopping us leaving now. They have their own agenda and whatever they say in public they will not let us leave after the next election either.

      1. But but – if the Tories stand against TBP – the leave vote will split and the libturds get in.

        There MUST be a Tory/TBP deal.

        1. A deal would be best obviously. But if there is someone “blinkered” in office as to what is in the interests of the United Kingdom then ignore what the party says and vote for the leaver anyway.

          The idea that Labour will get in is an utter fantasy peddled by the polling companies precisely to get people to only vote Conservative no matter what, because the Remainers will be then be able to stop us leaving. The real polls – the “internal party polls” are so bad for Labour that one of Corbyn’s closest aides resigned and one of his reasons was “Labour have no chance of winning with Jeremy there.”

          The polls are created by forces that want us to stay in the EU. They have been wrong for the last 3 elections precisely because they are lies. The Remainers are the ones who are split with the Lib Dems and Labour going after the same pool of voters now.

          The idea that Labour can get into power if we choose to vote for The Brexit Party is a deliberate falsehood made by people terrified that we will kick their Remainer stooges out of Parliament.

          1. While I note what you say – and agree that Leibour is terribly split – it is a fact that if half the LEAVE votes go to Conservative and half to TBP, an opposing party – the Illib Undems, perhaps – will scoop the pool.

          2. Respectfully – that is not going to happen unless people are incredibly gullible. The vote will not split 50 / 50 in any realistic scenario. Traditional Labour voters are switching to The Brexit Party in droves. Many Conservatives that I have spoken to have realised that voting for a Remainer MP will keep us in the EU, so they are switching to TBP as well. In the meantime, the Lib Dems have half a party made up of MP’s who will certainly lose their seats at the next election, and Labour is all over the shop, even saying they are in favour of abolishing the Monarchy. That also goes down badly with many of their old followers.

            Labour are getting father and father into Marxist land and that switches off massive numbers of voters. The only thing that can keep us in the EU are those believing the fakes polls and voting Remainers back into office. It is not rocket science. The Leavers are in the majority across the country, if we vote only for Leave candidates than we get to go. The polls are lying to you. Labour have no chance. Not even with their many, many postal votes.

          3. I never having anything to do with polls. They are all run by outfits with an agenda.

            I just hope you are right.

          4. Bill – I certainly believe that I am right on how we are being manipulated. 🙂

            If the Remainers are voted back into office then they will take us so far into the European Union that what happened yesterday will be the “good old days.” There will not be any escape before the EU collapses dragging our country down with them. It will be so much better to Leave now, but these MP’s we have at the moment will not let that happen.

          8. It is always pleasant to be corrected when an error occurs. It is the only way that we will learn and is a valuable lesson as we strive to improve ourselves.

          9. How refreshingly honest.

            Further vs. Farther. Although they are often used interchangeably, “further” and “farther” don’t have exactly the same meaning. Basically, “farther” refers to actual distances between objects while further refers to figurative distances or something that is additional or more.
            Further vs. Farther – English Grammar Rules & Usage – YourDictionary

            https://grammar.yourdictionary.com › grammar › style-and-usage › further-…
            Search for: Can further and farther be used interchangeably?

          10. I did have my tongue slightly in cheek as I typed that last comment. When I spot errors that others make I don’t tend to correct them out of caring more for the message than the format. But each to his own. 🙂

          11. I’ve a friend who very occasionally posts online who is forever being
            corrected for typos that he doesn’t himself correct.
            He might write a long article and someone else will correct
            one or two words. And yet my friend never says a word
            to defend himself regardless of himself having a PhD and
            various other qualifications as he’d see that as belittling others,
            regardless of others less intelligent then him seem to
            think it fine to belittle him. And I’m not allowed to defend him either,
            he’d hate it if I did that so i just leave it too. He’s totally modest
            and has been like that since a boy.

          12. There are those like you Mr Viking who are concerned
            with the correct usage of language.
            Unfortunately there are others on the interweb who correct others
            to puff up some kind of intellectual superiority.

          14. The question is can you explain the difference between ‘due to’ and ‘owing to’ that I can understand and remember – I tend to avoid using them as I never know whether I’ve got them right or not, in spite of reading various explanations. I know one is adverbial and the other adjectival, but trying to decide whether my phrase is one or the other and which it should be invariably leaves me in quandary. At which point I completely rephrase what I am trying to write.

          15. The question you raise is a Nebensache, i.e. it is not key to Merry’s post.
            There is a difference between “Due to” and “Owing to” in meaning. “Due to” means “caused by”, however, “Owing to” means “because of” and it comes always at the beginning of the sentence. Besides “owing to” as a result or consequence of something.

          16. Thankyou, I have copied that for future reference. I’ll refer to that next time I use either expression.

          17. Peddy is quite right of course, in his reply to your question.
            However, this is an easier way and how I was taught to remember the difference;
            “Actions are owing to and things are due to.”

          18. Indeed. Life is a journey of knowledge and self improvement,
            If others correct someone then they are doing something
            Invaluable.

          22. ‘Morning, Meredith, “Labour are getting father and father into Marxist land…”

            Actually the Marxist land, according to the Russians, would the Motherland – it’s yer Germans that worship Der (Die, Das) Vaterland.

    1. The “model” who found undergraduate law too difficult and dropped out. Allegedly she seems to have spent some time on her back…well, three marriages, each one with more dosh than the previous. She does look rather worn, now you mention it…

      Morning, BoB.

          1. She started out as a ‘model’ though. Have you seen the film? I love the conversation between her & the Italian premier.

    3. What an arrogant piece of work. Who is supporting this woman in her endeavours to frustrate our leaving the EU? She appeared from nowhere and her background is somewhat short on detail.

      1. I’d imagine there are multiple interest groups, all funded by very wealthy people who all get their cash from back room deals with eurocrats.

        The EU is thoroughly corrupt, after all.

    4. God, she’s a smug git isn’t she, – seeing that face just makes me want to pound it to a pulp with a large flint.

    2. Funny, BoB, clicking on that link produces the ‘Your signature will not be counted…’ without identifying what the petition is.

          1. I’ve also e-mailed my MP:

            Good Morning, Dr Poulter, I just want to let you know that I have signed a petition demanding a General Election – it being the only way that the will of the people, 17.4 million of us, will be realised. I sincerely hope that, if the Conservative Party wishes to continue as a viable party, they will achieve this.

  51. As the Supreme(Blairite) Court overules the High Court John Ward lifts the rock to reveal what squirms beneath

    There is something about the term

    ‘Supreme Court’ that affords it an image of absolutely scrupulous

    objectivity in all things. Like most British Justice these days, it is

    nothing of the kind. As this Slog investigation strongly suggests, the

    “Highest” Court in the Land is massively biased against Brexit, and

    enjoys a near-universal connection with ‘the European Project’. In the

    light of this research, there is the very strong smell of political

    intent masquerading as Constitutional diligence. It is time these facts

    were put before a much wider audience.

    https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2019/09/25/exclusive-why-this-supreme-court-was-never-going-to-find-bojos-proroguation-legal/

    1. It seems that 40 years held captive by the EU has rendered the institutions which form our constitution, incapable of fulfilling their duties, or even understanding what they are.

      1. The 40 years of being held captive behind the Berlin wall had the same effect on the East Germans.

    2. Never in doubt.

      Caught a few minutes of the Barnett programme; she was discussing the judgement with two lawyers from Oxford University. The first one to comment was all for the judgement, how right it was etc. the second, an antipodean by his accent, demolished the first’s argument by appearing more in tune with the Constitution than purely legal matters. He claimed that the SC created new law in issuing their judgement, something he was not happy about them deciding to do.

      1. Of course, prior to this monstrous construct, we had “celebrated” 600 years of the Judicial Committee (and its predecessor) of the House of Lords.

        Thanks, Bliar………….

  53. Sainsbury’s to close 60 Argos stores as profit set to dip

    Not really anything new Argos have been closing the High Street stores and moving them into Salisbury branches for a couple of years

    The dip in sales in my view is more to do wih the move to shopping at the discounters who have also been opening lots of new stores

    Salisbury have also been in my view doing an M&S and cutting quality whilst still charging a premium price

    The company will open about 80 Argos outlets in its supermarkets, it said in a trading update.
    The move comes as the UK’s second largest supermarket chain warned investors that profit for the six months to 21 September will dip.

    It blamed bad weather and higher marketing costs for the forecast £50m drop on the period last year.

    The supermarket will also cease new mortgage sales as part of a plan to make its financial services division more profitable.

    3. I had to use Sainsbury’s today; I needed OO flour and the discounters only stock a more limited range of flours.
      I really do not know how people can afford to use the store for regular every day shopping.

  54. I am getting a bit worried about Boris. I though he was a bit clever than he appears to be but so far he seems to be getting everything wrong. Only about 3 weeks to the next crunch,. Will he manage to pull a rabbit out of the hat?

    1. BJ,
      Depends what side of the channel you are standing in getting everything wrong.
      Ask yourself about this “must have a deal”, is that a deal that would benefit the country or a personal deal ?
      Trust none.

  55. Banana Republic or Monarchy?
    Our current Head of State is fundamentally useless apart from a tourist attraction.

    1. Will the tramps be given a pass for the security gates at the end of the street, or will he be weighing them in for scrap before somebody else does?

  57. Number of remortgage loans at highest level since November 2017

    A worrying sign in my view . Many will be borrowing because they are living beyond their means
    Lot got caught out when they took Interest only mortgages out as it saved them money forgetting at the end of the 25 years the mortgage would be still outstanding

    Home owners snapped up the highest number of remortgage loans in nearly two years in August, figures from a trade association show.
    Some 31,627 remortgage loans were handed out for the highest monthly total since November 2017, according to data from UK Finance.

    1. They are remortgaging because a) their fixed rate deals are coming to an end; b) they can get a good deal as interest rates have never been lower.

    2. NO , not living beyond their means … just getting by ..

      Pensions don’t go up .. savings are zilch level .. and previous responsibilities have eaten up resources.

    1. I wonder what country this came from?

      There is only one place where the inhabitants obsess (like Stepford Wives) about eating eggs, habitually, for breakfast: The United States of Automatons.

          1. Nope lol. I wouldn’t normally eat brekkie but i have to with the Meds i’m on at the moment.

            Did you hear about the constipated accountant? He had to work it out with a pencil. :o(

  62. “Anyone who clings to the historically untrue—and thoroughly
    immoral—doctrine that ‘violence never settles anything’ I would advise
    to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and of the Duke of
    Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee,
    and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger
    Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than
    has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at
    its worst. Those that forget this basic truth have always paid for it
    with their lives and freedoms.”
    R A H

    1. “Those who beat their swords into ploughshares will do the ploughing for those that don’t.”

      Personally, I’ve always believed that a little violence never hurt anybody.
      ;¬)

    1. Again! It was doing that in Cornwall last week. I found it very hard to balance on my recently acquired crutches.

  65. My latest mail to Mr Redwood…………………

    Did you notice that the guy Nigel talks about here apparently has the closest possible links to the European Commission (68 meetings in 2018) and also to Obama and the top of the Democrat Party ?

    https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/930368687638564864?lang=en

    Did you read the analysis by Peter Schweizer regarding his alleged dealings with Obama at the time of the 2009 US fiscal expansion ? Please scroll down….

    https://politicalarena.org/2012/01/14/democrats-sugar-daddy-george-soros-helped-craft-stimulus-then-invested-in-companies-benefiting/

    Just by coincidence, this is the same guy who, according to the media in 2018, has allegedly spent huge sums of money to stop Brexit, and who apparently has 226 ”reliable allies” in the European Parliament.

    So if all the above is true, does it not look virtually certain that the conspiracy to impeach Donald Trump,which looks based on the need to avoid exposure, is linked at it’s root to the conspiracy to stop Brexit ?

    If this brief analysis is true, does it not look that Nigel Farage’s statement…………

    ”this is where the real international collusion is”……

    is correct ?

    1. If this was many other countries, many of the inmates would have met their makers by now. Sometimes it’s hard to be a gentle non-violent nation.

    2. Surely if Boris refuses to go he can only be deposed by a vote of No Confidence which, should he be defeated, will precipitate an immediate prorogation of Parliament for a GE?

        1. It needn’t be Conservatives. The Opposition Majority can vote in any leader as Prime Minister if he or she can carry a majority in a Vote of Confidence.

      1. That is the conclusion some writers are considering coming to (see Brexit Betrayal article I posted earlier).

  68. I wonder if the Lord Chief Justice and the Master of the Rolls – who threw out Soros’s claim – will resign in protest.

  69. Totally left field,I have just prepared a bacon and egg sarny for brunch,a rare treat,seduced by the packaging promising “Dry Cure” and in big letters “No added Water” I bought a premium price pack of Simon Howie bacon
    You utter utter lying bastards,I have just completely soaked two large sheets of kitchen roll removing the water and white gunk that emerged from three rashers
    Dry cure my arse

    3. That happened to me about 15 years ago with some similarly advertised as “dry cure” from a branch of Tesco in Norwich.

      Me, being me, simply put the frying pan and its contents in the car, drove to the store, marched up to the Customer Service desk and showed them (in front of a crowd of astonished onlookers). I said, loudly so everyone could hear me, “This is Tesco’s supposed dry cured bacon.”

      To cut a long story short, I was given a full refund, plus a packet of proper dry-cured bacon, plus a £10 voucher to cover my travel expenses to and from the store, and my ‘inconvenience’ (something I invariably insist on).

      If any store resists my demands, then I ask for the address of head office and also inform them that photographs of the offending item will be sent to both the local and national press. They always pay up.

      I once got a total of £38 in ‘compensation’ for a mouldy £4 pizza.

      1. Buying food in Tesco? That’s a bit chancy, isn’t it.
        Every Tesco I have been in smells of rotting vegetables. Awful shops.

        2. Morrison’s are good for fruit and vegetables.
          Tesco is ok, but you do have to watch out for produce that’s clearly not fresh.

          We once bought a fresh turkey from Tesco that had an use by date of the 28th. We were cooking Xmas dinner just after Xmas day itself for family.
          When we came to the day in question, (27th or 28th) the turkey was ponging more than it should have.
          There was a label on the side, not Tesco’s label, that had “KB 19th, UB 26th”, which we took to mean “killed by” and “use by”.
          The Tesco fresh meat counter had misread the suppliers label, and labelled it incorrectly.

          We went back to the store, and after a bit of an argument, we were told to help ourselves to any fresh turkey we wanted, plus got our money back. Free turkey dinner.

      2. It always pays to complain about poor quality and service.

        Our local Tesco is huge. It’s also in town. They have just closed their fish counter, meat counter, deli counter and bread and cakes counter. They said it’s not what the customer wants. Wankers.

    4. Try the apology for bacon that they sell over here. Best described as water sodden slices of fat with the occasional streak of meat, it has to be cooked to a blackened crisp to make it edible. The cheapest of English streaky bacon looks good in comparison.

      1. Cheers Phizzee,my email

        Sirs can you kindly explain when I have purchased a pack of your bacon which claims to be “Dry Cured” and in large print “NO ADDED WATER” it took two large sheets of kitchen roll both totally saturated to drain the liquid and white gunk that three rashers produced in the pan
        Is some scoundrel traducing your good name and producing fake bacon??
        Or are your claims just the usual marketing bullshonnet??
        I have posted my experience of your product far and wide on the net and social media in the hope in some small way I can prevent other people feeling as conned as I do
        Yous Rik

          2. An auto reply is normal these days. Let’s see if they have the balls to stand up for their product.

            BTW. I looked at satellite pics of his farm. No animals to be seen anywhere.

    6. Try:
      https://piggery-smokery.co.uk

      Expensive – yes. Always sold out – yes. White gunk – no.

      I have tried and tried* to find dry cured bacon that was not watery and white gunky. This is the best I’ve found after years of going round supermarkets, local butchers etc. Mail order it is, and arrives in a beautifully wrapped parcel.

      * © D Lammy

      1. I dry cure and cold smoke my own back and streaky bacon at home from scratch. It has no saltpetre in the cure and is the best bacon I’ve ever tasted.

          1. Sausages and their derivatives (Scotch eggs, sausage rolls), pork pies, steak and kidney pies, bread, Chinese food, Indian food, Italian food, French food, and many more. When you live in a food desert you have to roll up your sleeves.

  70. Did anyone else receive this response to the petition “Leave the EU with no deal in October 2019”?:

    Dear Grizz,

    The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “Leave the EU with No Deal in October 2019 ”.

    Government responded:

    The Prime Minister has been clear: we will leave the EU on 31 October. We’d prefer to do so with a deal, but if there isn’t movement from the EU on the backstop we will have to leave without one.

    The Prime Minister has said that the UK will be leaving the EU on 31 October. The Government must respect the referendum result. We would prefer to leave with a deal and we will work in an energetic and determined way to get that better deal. The Government is committed to preparing for this outcome.

    The Government is undertaking preparations to ensure that the UK and the public are fully ready for Brexit. All necessary funding has now been made available.

    The Government has launched the single largest public information campaign, “Get Ready for Brexit”. As part of the campaign, the Government has also launched an online checker tool (Gov.uk/brexit) to identify actions that businesses and citizens can take to prepare. Prior to this, the Government published approximately 750 pieces of communications on No Deal since August 2018, including over 100 technical notices explaining to businesses and citizens what they need to do to prepare. Meanwhile, the Government has laid over 600 Brexit Statutory Instruments and Border Force has increased its headcount by around 900 officers between March 2018 and March 2019. The Government is also undertaking steps to secure additional freight capacity and has worked on preparations with suppliers and partners, meaning that our plans should ensure the supply of critical goods, including medicines and medical products, remain uninterrupted.

    Preparations are being made by the Government to ensure we are ready by pursuing international agreements, including signing bilateral voting rights agreements with Spain, Portugal and Luxembourg and approaching all other Member States for similar agreements. The Government has reached trade agreements with partners worth around £90 billion of current trade, secured air services agreements with countries like Canada and the US permitting passenger flights and has ensured that all agreements required to enable continuity in civil nuclear trade are in place – including with Japan, Canada, US, Australia and the International Atomic Energy Agency.

    However we leave the EU, the Government’s ambition is for a comprehensive, ambitious future partnership based on a best in class FTA. It will be a relationship based on international law, not EU law. It will be a relationship where the UK would have left the Customs Union so we would have control of our own trade so that we can strike deals with other global partners; we will no longer have to make financial contributions to the EU budget; we will control our own migration policy through an Australian style points-based system; our own laws and courts will be supreme within the UK; and only our Parliament would have the power to set our taxes.

    The Prime Minister remains absolutely focused on delivering on the vote of the British people by taking us out of the European Union on 31 October.

    Cabinet Office.

    Click this link to view the response online:

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/254329?reveal_response=yes

    This petition has over 100,000 signatures. The Petitions Committee will consider it for a debate. They can also gather further evidence and press the government for action.

    The Committee is made up of 11 MPs, from political parties in government and in opposition. It is entirely independent of the Government. Find out more about the Committee: https://petition.parliament.uk/help#petitions-committee

    Thanks,

    The Petitions team
    UK Government and Parliament

    1. “However we leave the EU, the Government’s ambition is for a comprehensive, ambitious future partnership based on a best in class FTA.”

      That is the line that Sir Humphrey slipped in on page 74 in book 3. This could mean 15 years in negotiations under the Withdrawal Agreement (without the backstop) to achieve the Free Trade Agreement. Which is not Brexit at all, but would be “a deal.”

      The only thing that we can say is the same as we have been saying for the past 2 months: “When Boris comes back from that meeting with the EU in mid October, that is when we will know if he is hero or villain.”

    1. They are all griped by fear of being booted out should an election happen as with the next election it will not be only a few MP’s in marginal seats that are at risk

        1. There will eventually be another election.
          Whether the PTB take a blind bit of notice if the result doesn’t chime with the Chicken Supreme Court’s opinion is another question.

  72. Can the Happy Club help save Jaywick Sands?

    Nothing can save that place. They were never built as homes but as cheap holiday accommodation. It is now the nearest you will get to Indian slums in the UK

    The landscape is unlike anywhere else in the country. Initially it was part of the plotlands craze of the early 20th century, which saw city dwellers buying strips of cheap agricultural land for a country retreat. Jaywick was colonised by workers from the Ford plant in Dagenham who built their chalets from the company’s packing crates and named the streets Hillman, Wolseley and Bentley.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-48908686

      1. Tut tut tut, I usually check the grammar, the spelling then proof read. But as I’m absolutely shite at spelling and grammar it’s all irrelevant. But I know a prop without it’s ism when I see one.

        1. Had you refreshed, you’d have seen that it was corrected 10 hours before your comment. Never mind, we cannot always be a smart-ar$e.

          1. You really are not in the Peddy class are you and not very smart arseish as me.? You clearly told me that I should proof read.
            So you proof read your ismless Malaprop. Hit send. Then realised you were ismless.
            I rest my case.

  76. Watching our representatives in Parliament, the whole are still entrenched in their positions; nothing has changed, and whatever is said, there is a majority in favour of staying in the European Union. Perhaps we should ask Donald Trump to have a try at another Deal of the Century.

    1. Tony – Donald T is having a bad day and the BBC are lapping it all up. They are ecstatic about the present political position for the Leaders in the UK and USA. Blue flags with stars are flying in abundance on College Greeen. I hope Boris comes up with some strong plans shortly.

    2. Oh God, will that mean that Meagain Markle will have to bury her hate of Trump and hold the box/suitcase or whatever tacky container the Deal is in (or not in, as the case may be?). For the millions of viewers, of course.

  77. Good morning, all.

    On this grey and misty morning, as the implications of the constitutional crisis, triggered by the decision of the Bliar-created Supreme Court to uphold the case against the Government sink in, my heart is heavy and I’m filled with a gloomy foreboding.

    Not so much by the brazen attack on democracy and the elected Government and the undermining of HM The Queen’s authority as constitutional monarch, choreographed by the Remainiac faction colluding with opportunistic politicians, but by the thought that when Parliament is eventually prorogued, we may have to endure yet another vomit-inducing, pompous, self-aggrandising resignation speech by the poison dwarf, John Bercow.

    Before Bercow is finally dragged from the limelight that he so craves, it is my fear that we may have to suffer even more “farewell” speeches from this nasty little shīt than we have heard “farewell” concerts given by Francis Albert Sinatra.
    :¬(

    1. Frank Sinatra gave one farewell concert, but later changed his mind and returned to give a few more concerts, none of which were billed as a “farewell concert”. He also made several new recordings (often with other singers), before his death. Please don’t compare him with Mr Bercow, Duncan Mac.

    2. From the BBC review of the papers; Unsurprisingly, the Supreme Court ruling that Boris Johnson’s suspension of Parliament was unlawful dominates the front pages. “He misled the Queen, the people and Parliament,” reads the Guardian. The paper says Mr Johnson struck a “defiant” tone in response to the “crushing” judgement. Now, if anyone could have been said to have misled the Queen, the People and Parliament, it was surely Bliar. I can’t see how trying to implement the democratic vote of a majority can possibly be unlawful!!

      Meanwhile the Sun has apparently been swamped with messages of support for Boris!!

  79. Geoffrey Cox labels Parliament ‘a disgrace’ as Boris Johnson prepares to address Commons. 25 SEPTEMBER 2019

    TOP COMMENT BELOW THE LINE

    Leslie Fellows 25 Sep 2019 9:31AM.

    Well, we now have a full blown constitutional crisis.

    First, the Opposition prevents the Government from governing, but refuses to allow a general election, then the Supreme Court (SC) destroyed the role of the monarch in the governance of Britain, and now Parliament is preparing to usurp the role of the paralysed Executive, while refusing it the traditional constitutional ‘way out’ of appealing to the country, and this specifically in order to frustrate the decision of the people of Britain on our membership of the EU, a decision that Parliament voted, by an overwhelming majority, to give to the British electorate to make.

    The supreme authority in our country was ‘the Queen in Parliament’. But now the SC has effectively deposed the Queen who understands more about the subtleties of our constitution than the SC ever could. True she cannot refuse to comply with the wishes of her Prime Minister (PM) but she can advise , and a PM who ignored that advice would be very foolish indeed.If Her Majesty accepted Mr Johnson’s request for prorogation that should be good enough for the country, and the SC.

    By what authority for instance is discipline in our armed forces now maintained? All military people take an oath of allegiance to the Queen. All officers bear the Queen’s commission. To whom should they swear allegiance now?The SC? Or perhaps John Bercow or Gina Miller?

    The Judiciary and Parliament have taken over the role of Executive and monarch in what amounts to a revolutionary coup.

    Yes that about sums it up! Strange how there is more sense below the line than above it!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/25/brexit-latest-news-boris-johnson-parliament-bercow-no-deal-election/

    1. The EU have always made it clear that any negotiations with the UK will only be entertained with the UK’s executive i.e. the Prime Minister and not the UK Parliament.
      Any PM can now negotiate a legal deal in good faith and have it declared unlawful, void and with no effect by the Supreme Court.
      No wonder Geoffrey Cox has labelled this Parliament a disgrace.

      1. Angie, do not put your trust in anything the EU has stated. Barnier and others have been talking/negotiating with any band of charlatans, idlers, traitors etc. who rocked up in Brussels supporting Remain.
        The SC have taken it upon themselves to become law makers rather than interpreters and guardians of the law. That move will only end in tears for the SC. A new Parliament shorn of the rabble currently residing there will have to take back control and put the SC and its members back in their box.

        1. What’s now more important is the fact that any government purporting to abide by the outcome of a referendum will have made a non-binding commitment with the electorate that can be summarily voided.

          This makes the Labour policy of holding any referendum meanlngless.

          1. At least Swansong was being truthful when she announced she would not abide by a Leave vote in a second referendum.

        2. You are making the dangerous assumption that the ‘wrong’ vote in the general election will be respected.

    2. They will be swearing allegiance to the EU. The Queen no longer matters in our country. The voters no longer matter. We’re in the same position as in communist countries, and in all other tyrannies. We’re free to vote, as long as it’s the correct way, the way the ruling elite want.

    3. Thinking about this section of the quoted comment ” the Queen who understands more about the subtleties of our constitution than the SC ever could. True she cannot refuse to comply with the wishes of her Prime Minister (PM) but she can advise , and a PM who ignored that advice would be very foolish indeed.If Her Majesty accepted Mr Johnson’s request for prorogation that should be good enough for the country, and the SC.”

      I wondered if any of the Queen’s successors (Charles, William) are invited to sit in on her interviews with the prime minister. As the comment implies she has considerable experience and a long term view of politics and it would be good to think future monarchs have a bit of training in more than shaking hands with the public before taking over.

  80. Boris Johnson to address MPs as minister brands parliament ‘dead’ with ‘no moral right to sit’ – live news, Guardian.

    18m ago12:57.

    Phillip Lee, the former Tory MP who defected to the Lib Dems, told Cox he should be showing more humility. He asks him if he can say if he has given Downing Street legal advice on bypassing the Benn Act.

    Cox said that he was not allowed to say whether he had given legal advice on a topic or not. But he said Lee was not in a position to urge him to show more humility. Having been elected for one party, and now sitting for another without holding a by election, Lee should be “on his knees” begging for forgiveness from his constituents, Cox said.

    The system is totally flucked!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/25/boris-johnson-flies-to-uk-as-parliament-returns-after-court-ruling-politics-live

    1. You could write the Hansard script for every upcoming question period now.

      Q. Will the minister resign now that the supreme court have ruled against you?
      A. Will the honorable member support a motion to dissolve the house and allow an election?

      And so on and so on.

      1. These people now only represent themselves! The facade of service to constituents and the country has been blown away!

        1. They represent the net Remain establishment, which is determined by fair means or foul to stop Brexit in any meaningful way, and keep us tied to the EU.
          They are collaborators.

    2. Heard a bit of Cox on the wireless, giving the Opposition et al. both barrels. Pity that he sided with the disgusting May: being loyal isn’t always the right thing to do, especially when dealing with a creature such as May.

      If the Benn Act is law surely it can be repealed? Bercow, with full Remain bias, allowed it through in short order against all normal practice. Why cannot the government attempt to repeal the Act taking all the usual time that such actions in the House need. Running down the clock to WTO will make Johnson odds on to destroy Corbyn and rock the EU to its built on sand foundations. If Johnson is hell bent on a fudge to May’s “deal” then hero is not the word that will be used to describe him.

  81. Just been ‘encouraging’ junior to watch He Man (the originals) and there’s Orko. Hes comic relief, the court fool, produces very little and is often the but of the joke.

    Has he come to life as ‘Berk-o’?

  82. https://www.claremont.org/crb/article/why-hasnt-brexit-happened-yet/
    Why Hasn’t Brexit Happened?

    Posted on Conservative Woman btl today.
    It’s a long but interesting, and depressing read.

    ”
    Brexit was not an “outburst” or a cry of despair or a message to the European Commission. It was an eviction notice. It was an explicit withdrawal of the legal sanction under which Brussels had governed Europe’s most important country. If it is really Britain’s wish to see its old constitutional arrangements restored, then this notice is open to emendation and reconsideration. But as things stand now, the Leave vote made E.U. rule over the U.K. illegitimate. Not illegitimate only when Brussels has been given one last chance to talk Britain out of it, but illegitimate now. What Britons voted for in 2016 was to leave the European Union—not to ask permission to leave the European Union. It is hard to see how Britain’s remaining in the E.U. would benefit either side.

    And yet, given that Britain is the first country to issue such an ultimatum, given that pro-E.U. elites in other European countries have reason to fear its replication, given the moral ambitions of the E.U. project, given that the British who support Remain have transferred their sentiments and their allegiances across the channel, given the social disparity between those who rule the E.U. and most of those who want to leave it, how could the reaction of Britain’s establishment be anything but all-out administrative, judicial, economic, media, political, and parliamentary war? The battle against Brexit is being fought, Europe-wide, with all the weaponry a cornered elite has at its disposal.

    It has proved sufficient so far.”

    1. Ummmmm……………….

      What about all those ”billions spent….. to undermine the nation state”, and what has been the effect of those billions ?

      Even now, most peeps haven’t a clue.

        1. Pleased you did.

          I was told a few days ago by one of the main posters that I am a paid advocate of George to big up his importance !

      1. I was wondering about that – as I understand it the ECJ is still a higher authority than our ridiculous, biased Supreme Court – perhaps Boris should appeal??

      3. Unlikely.

        The High Court came to the correct conclusion, in my opinion, i.e. it was none of their business.
        Now no-one will know if they’ve broken a law until they get to court and the judges make a new law to find them guilty.

  83. Time for some humour.

    Couple in their nineties are both having problems remembering things. During a check-up, the doctor tells them that they’re physically okay, but they might want to start writing things down to help them remember ..

    Later that night, while watching TV, the old man gets up from his chair.

    ‘Want anything while I’m in the kitchen?’ he asks.

    ‘Will you get me a bowl of ice cream?’

    ‘Sure.’

    ‘Don’t you think you should write it down so you can remember it?’ she asks.

    ‘No, I can remember it.’

    ‘Well, I’d like some strawberries on top, too. Maybe you should write it down, so as not to forget it?’

    He says, ‘I can remember that. You want a bowl of ice cream with strawberries.’
    ‘I’d also like whipped cream. I’m certain you’ll forget that, write it down?’ she asks.

    Irritated, he says, ‘I don’t need to write it down, I can remember it!

    Ice cream with strawberries and whipped cream – I got it, for goodness sake!’

    Then he toddles into the kitchen. After about 20 minutes, the old man returns from the kitchen and hands his wife a plate of bacon and eggs. She stares at the plate for a moment.

    ‘Where’s my toast?’

  84. We must have a clean sweep to get out of the coup. VOTE BERXIT PARTY when you have the chance.

    2. Won’t that just mean more berx in the HoC?
      (Brexit Party if there’s an election and we’re not leaving, agreed.)

  85. May one ask, which of the lab/lib/con mass uncontrolled immigration / paedophilia umbrella / pro eu coalition party will get the high collar, button to the throat, tunic franchise, compulsory wear for the masses.
    Will the financial proceeds go into party funds or be trousered by the politico’s ?

  86. Hmm, I wonder if Boris and Geoffrey Cox are looking through the Treason Act? After all, all’s fair in Love and Constitutional Affairs.

  87. If someone uses there middle name instead of their
    Christian name but wishes to refer to the first initial
    of their Christian name when writing a letter
    Is it correct to place that letter in brackets –
    IE .. Mrs ( S) Jane Smith ?

          1. Bombardier Billy Wells used to like to bang J Arthur’s gong! :•)

            [My second example (above) is lost on this lot, Duncan! ]

    4. My family has almost always used their second Christian name. Just seems to be a habit of unknown origin.

      2. Democratic assembly? What an utter bastard. There is no democracy in that useless bunch of scum. He’s denying our will. I care not what the useless swine Sheerman wants. He should have his back broken on our will and forced through the Leave door, or better yet, dragged through by the neck, kicking and screaming as he is reminded, brutally, honestly in the only manner he will accept that he is the one fighting democracy.

  89. John McDonnell: ‘Under Labour 16-year-olds could get a vote on Brexit’

    Well as he is a Remainer he would

    With most people remaining in full timer education beyond 15 raising the voting age to 21 would be more sensible in fact 23 might be better as at 21 many will still be at Uni

    There is no logic neither to 16. Why not 11 ?

    ill they also be lowering the age you can stand as an MP or Local councillor to 16?

      1. And other activities currently restricted to over 18 year olds, prostitution and pornography being two main restrictions.

  90. The Labour Conference is still ongoing,I can only think of one Demographic this little lot would appeal to

    The motion just passed by delegates pledges to:

    Oppose the current immigration legislation and any curbing of rights

    Campaign for free movement, equality and rights for migrants

    Reject any immigration system based on incomes, migrants’ utility to business, and number caps/targets

    Close all detention centres

    Ensure unconditional right to family reunion

    Maintain and extend free movement rights

    End “no recourse to public funds” policies

    Scrap all Hostile Environment measures… and restrictions on migrants’ NHS access

    Extend equal rights to vote to all UK residents regardless of nationality

    https://order-order.com/2019/09/25/labour-votes-smash-border-controls/

      1. I am sure it will appeal to Labours Islington set. I don’t see it going down well with Labour traditional voters

    3. Labour are going all-out to get that islamic vote. Those on the left have never been that smart. In a few years they might have imported enough “new voters” to win an election, but shortly after that they will make their own islamic party of Great Britain. Then Labour seats will change overnight to islamic ones, and there is one thing that islam does not like or accept, that is organised opposition. So the Labour party and all of those LGBT members will be facing a night of the long scimitars.

      Followed closely by the rest of the country. Still, with that raft of policies outlined above, even the gay party members might see the writing on the wall and start quietly voting for other parties. At least these Momentum thugs are openly dragging the Labour party into the “unelectable” bracket. Just as Michael Foot did.

      1. I don’t think Labour care that much. As long as they destroy the country first.

        Why any shirtlifter would vote Labour is beyond my reasoning. I suppose they can relate to Labour because they both loathe themselves.

      2. Let’s hope that they are as successful in increasing the Islamic vote as they were with the Jewish vote…850,000 systematically destroyed and probably at zero now.

        1. Interestingly the party that Labour claim is racist, xenophobic and bigoted Jews have no issues with

      3. Whilst they are all at their conference cannot Boris pass a quick bit of legislation stating we are leaving the EU today at 16:30

    4. If every nationalist has the same rights what’s the point of having a nation at all?

      Oh, I see. That’s the point. Righto, so what’s the point of having a national parliament? Why bother even having a supranational parliament? Why not just resort of barbarism?

      After all, the Left have fought to render irrelevant our laws so those no longer count. No law, no democracy, no nation, no point. Let’s flucking kill the bastards now and stop their red terror doing it first.

      1. They want a supranational government, e.g. EU, un, to govern us. No democracy. No meaningful votes. They get to dictate every aspect of our lives, and our choices are taken away from us.
        See: Labour’s new policy to close down private schools and confiscate their property. Reduce everyone’s education down to the lowest level. Easier to brainwash and control. Will not affect the Labour elite. There’ll be one school for their children, to make sure they’re educated and brought up in the true socialist mould.

    5. Welcome the world to the UK for all the freebies they can dip into . Only the UK national mugs being required to pay for it

    6. They’re making themselves unelectable. We shouldn’t stop them.
      The last thing we want is a “moderate” who has wide voter appeal (see: Tony Blair and his ongoing destruction of the UK) with all those outright communists lurking in the background. They smell power and will not disappear. I wish they would, but they won’t.

    8. Labour activists running around with postal vote application forms as we speak. All ‘heads of households’ will be writing furiously with a black ink pen.

      2. So if you Great, Great Great Great Grand father stepped on to UK soil for a few days any of his descendents are welcome to come to the UK and make free use of the NHS and our generous benefits

      3. I couldn’t stand that programme. I found it to be the most unfunny sitcom of all time (humour is a personal thing and we can’t all like the same stuff).

        Roger Lloyd Pack had a summer house in the next village to Bill Thomas in Norfolk (I saw him shopping on a few occasions in Briston, where I lived). He was a very friendly and engaging man and would chat about most subjects but he flatly refused to discuss his role in that sitcom. If the subject was ever brought up in conversation he would make his excuses and leave.

  93. Some common sense from a court at last

    Trans man who gave birth loses historic court battle to be named his child’s father. Why am I not surprised he works for the Guardian

    Trans dad Freddy McConnell, who gave birth to his child, has lost the right to be named as a father on their birth certificate in a high-stakes and historic court battle.

    McConnell, a multimedia journalist who works for the UK paper The Guardian, will not be listed as the father of his child on legal documents.
    A judge today ruled against him at a High Court trial in London, England.
    His legal team said the courts “failed” McConnell and his family in a declaration that has left McConnell and his supporters stunned.

    His lawyers argued that the child would have been the first person born in England and Wales not to legally have a mother if McConnell won his case.
    And if he had won, it would have paved the way for trans-inclusive, gender-neutral birth certificates in what advocacy groups argued would better reflect the growing diversity of families in the UK.

      2. I dont even agree with birth certificated being changed. A birth certificate should record the gender at birth. They can add an amendment to say now a Trans-man from 12th April 2015 but the birth gender should remain

  94. Wrightbus: Job loss fears as firm enters administration

    Best know for the Boris bus. With the bus market shrinking there appears to be little hope of the administrators finding a buyer

    It is the last UK owned bus company

    1. What? They weren’t well known before 2016?

      Until today I didn’t have a clue who built the Boris bus, and cared less.

        1. I’m not too concerned about impotency, personally. It doesn’t affect me.

          My point is that a large company like that were known of well before a politician had a slogan printed on the side of one of their vehicles.

  95. Tourists and their families have complained that hotels have been “holding them hostage” until they pay extra for their stay after the collapse of travel giant.

    Sounds as if Thomas Cook were holding payment back. Normally would be invoiced on a weekly basis and with a 6 week billing cycle

    CAA chairwoman Dame Deirdre Hutton told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme on Wednesday that the authority had issued guarantees to the 3,000 hotels with Atol-protected British tourists.
    When it was suggested the total owed by Thomas Cook to hotels was £338 million, she said: “Yes, we have learned of one hotel in Mexico that is owed £2.5 million, so it is hardly surprising they are worried. That hotel is working very closely with us, which is great.”

      1. Thomas Cook is listed on the London exchange. Strangely, the German and Scandinavian airlines in the group are still operating. Odd, since the parent company has collapsed and we were told that we were all ‘one’. Condor (Germany) has applied for state aid. State aid to industry is prohibited by order of the EU. However, if it suits EU nations to support their industries then they dam well do, but of course the Brits slavishly follow regulations.

        1. If it’s German owned, no doubt the Germans are fine helping Condor out with state aid, but not the British part?

  96. Independent Group for Change MP Anna Soubry asks Mr Gove whether Operation Yellowhammer – the government’s no-deal plan – still exists
    .
    Mr Gove says that it does and that Yellowhammer represents a “reasonable worst-case scenario”. He says that Operation Kingfisher – a Treasury plan – also still exists.

    He adds that Ms Soubry’s suggestion of an Operation Dodo does not exist “though I can well understand why the Independent Group for Change would be interested in such an exercise”.

    Yellow Hammer should be updated taking into account information from the Ports of Calais and Dover. Both have said they are fully prepared for a non deal Brexit and do not anticipate any really issues other than possibly a few minor delays in the first few week and they are well prepared for that as delays at Dover & Calais as bad weather and strikes in France can occur and they have a well rehearsed plan for delaying with such incidents

  97. Sad Dick Khan looked at his reflection in the mirror and saw to his dismay that the top of his head, down to his eyebrows, was turning white. He went to see a doctor and after examining him, the doctor reached a diagnosis.

    “Don’t worry Mr. Khan” he smiled “I’ve come across this condition before and it’s easily treated.”. Going to a cabinet, he took out a bottle and handed it to Sad Dick. “Drink this.” he said.

    Sad Dick drank the contents of the bottle and screwed up his face. “Haraamzadi!” he cried, “That tasted like shīt!”

    “It is shīt.” replied the doctor, “You were just needing topped-up.”

    2. This lends more credence to the theory by Catherine Blaiklock that TBP has been taken over by Lib dems.

    4. As long as they can successfully get us out of the EU – totally and fully – they can say what they like about that silly little girl Greta. I’ll still vote for them. In the short term.

    5. This just shows that in the quickness of the rise of The Brexit Party some of the hard-core Remainer wreckers have slipped in under the net. They are now doing what they always do and trying to discredit the party and keep us in the EU. The Conservative party has just kicked out 21 of them who were working for the EU, although those slimy individuals had years in some cases to worm their way to the top.

      The objective is still clear – do we want to Leave the EU or not? I strongly doubt that individuals with the intelligence and experience of Ann Widdecombe are taken in by this Greta sideshow for a second. Whoever sent that message on behalf of the Brexit Party, if it was authorised, will need to be sent on a course to increase their intelligence level on climate change. Unless they are a closet Remainer, in which case it will take more than a course to bring them back to reality.

  100. Afternoon, all. Back at home early after an emergency admission to hospital in Birmingham.
    They sorted things out after two days. (The prostate op complications). The staff were magnificent but I thought I was living on the sub-continent. The itinerary for the Canucks’ last week has had to be cancelled and I’ve lost £500 in deposits.

    Then I get home and find the Supreme Court are political remainers and they judged accordingly. Life is a bu99er but I will KBO!

    4. Oh NO… poor you ..

      Glad you are on the mend again.. what a scare .

      We are all living on a wing and prayer now.. things are getting nasty and very silly,

      I think Boris has got the balls to sort this out though .

    5. Sorry to hear that, Delboy, but hopefully all is sorted.
      Fingers crossed for the future. As you say KBO.

    7. So sorry to hear about that, but great you have been sorted.
      Could you sort out Bercow … Corbyn … Abbott …

        1. Here’s a tip for you, Phil. If you select automatic-fire on an AK47, use very short bursts. The weapon tends to lift if you fire long bursts and you could miss your target and waste ammunition.

          3. Another tip. If you were trained on the SLR, which may be after many peoples time here, the safety catch is on the other side on the AK-47. If you ever find yourself in the unpleasant position of needing to pick one up from the remains of a murderous assailant, you don’t want to be trying to find it while his friends may be prowling around.

          4. Evening, MM.

            I joined the Army in ’64 and I was trained on the L1A1 (SLR). You’d have to be pretty well-struck in years – like Bill Thomas – if that rifle is “after your time”, since it came into service in the mid-fifties!

          5. I have heard someone here mention a rifle that was the one my father was trained on, or I thought I did – the Lee Enfield. But he was in the Army in his teens – 20’s so that was 60 ish years ago. I’m not certain how wizened some here are. 🙂

            I only have 2 years at an OTC, with the last 10 months full time (due to joining at a stupid time in the course.) Then I had to choose – Army or Civilian. Then the choice was made for me by something in my private life. I liked the SLR, it was very “chunky” compared to the SA80 that they were just bringing in as I left.

            If anyone joined the OUOTC between the summer of ’90 to the summer of ’91 then it is almost certain that I measured you and issued you with your kit. 🙂 (I can still remember reeling off that checklist at the end of a tour around the stores after doing it 100+ times.)

            Boots, Combat High, 1 pair. Knife, Fork, Spoon 1 set. Mess tins 2. Ahh memories. Ear plugs, 1 pair. Tie, Khaki, 1.

          6. I fired the Lee Enfield No.4 as an Army Cadet at 13. I was supposed to have been 14! It used to comical seeing obviously underage cadets with their rifles being as big as they were.
            Mind you, there were some cracking shots amongst them!

            Then in ’68 I went to Chepstow and began my relationship with the L1A1.

          7. There was once, at a place called “Otmoor” I think, were everyone had to be tested for accuracy at different ranges, filling empty magazines at speed, that type of thing. They had two GPMG’s set up and they let a couple of us try those out for recoil and fire-rate. That was a very powerful feeling but not a “clean” one. The multiple shudders went through your whole body as you were lying on the ground. Not like an SLR to me.

            I could not even clear a jam on a GPMG though, it was the SLR that we were trained on. They had us doing the whole strip it and re-assemble it while blindfolded thing, then told us afterwards it was because we might need to do it in the dark. Happy days. Apart from cleaning the buggers multiple times after every exercise just to familiarise us with doing it. 🙂

  101. Britain has become a Republic with Bercow at its head

    PHILIP JOHNSTON

    The Supreme Court has most brazenly encroached on to territory once considered untouchable

    Who governs Britain? Not Boris Johnson, it seems. The powers of the executive, stripped away gradually like the Dance of the Seven Veils since 1689, are now all but gone. The few remaining were taken away by, inter alia, the European Union; the Fixed-Term Parliaments Act, which removed the right of the Prime Minister to seek a dissolution; and now by the Supreme Court in overturning the decision to prorogue Parliament.

    In the first Miller ruling on Article 50 in 2017, the judges circumscribed the Government’s treaty-making authority. Additionally, a convention has recently been established that Parliament must be consulted before Britain’s Armed Forces are deployed. What’s left for the Crown, i.e. the executive? We have effectively become a parliamentary republic, with the Speaker as head of state.

    As if on cue, with a stunned Government on radio silence in the hours after the ruling, John Bercow stepped into the breach, making an unprecedented public statement to announce that the Commons will resume today – not recalled, because the prorogation was ruled illegal.

    In terms of Brexit nothing much has changed. It remains the law, passed overwhelmingly by Parliament, that the UK is to leave the EU on Oct 31. But politically and constitutionally, everything has changed. Politically, it exposes the Government to charges of incompetence, mendacity and naivety.

    The decision to prorogue must have seemed like a good wheeze to the amateur strategists in No 10 but it was a massive political mistake. We can see their thinking: normally the Commons would vote for a recess in order for the party conference season to proceed but the Government feared that MPs would stop that happening so they could continue undermining Brexit. However, prorogation always risked bringing in the courts because executive decisions are subject to judicial review. Anyone who advised Boris otherwise should be fired.

    The moment Lady Hale, the court president, said they had reached a unanimous decision it was clear that the game was up for the Prime Minister. He had been braced for the outcome so it did not come entirely as a bolt from the blue. But that does not mean he knows what to do about it.

    For instance, will the Tory conference go ahead next week? The Government has tabled a motion for a recess so the Tories can head off to Manchester but why would their opponents vote for that? The conference can go ahead without a recess but the Commons could get up to all manner of skulduggery while it was being staged. The Speaker will allow emergency questions that will drag ministers to the Despatch Box and, presumably, let backbenchers take control of the legislative programme once again. The Government has lost control.

    Constitutionally, the court’s decision is seminal. It marks the most brazen encroachment of the judiciary on to territory once considered an untouchable Crown prerogative. Just two weeks ago, the High Court in London, with the Lord Chief Justice, the Master of the Rolls and the President of the Queen’s Bench Division sitting, ruled that the legality or otherwise of prorogation was not a matter for the judiciary.

    “The court concludes on well established and conventional grounds that the claim is non justiciable – that is, not capable of being determined by the court.” If these grounds are “well-established” how could they be overturned in such a peremptory way? The failure of a single Supreme Court judge to stand up for long-established constitutional principles is shocking.

    The 11 justices have arrogated to themselves the functions of a constitutional court similar to those in America or Germany. But unlike those jurisdictions, the UK has no codified constitution that easily lends itself to such judgments. It is made up of a set of conventions, precedents and statutes that are open to interpretation. Over the past 40 years, the courts have adopted the view that all executive decisions are judicially reviewable – save those which impinge on “high policy” matters. They have now stepped over even that mark.

    There was genuine surprise in the legal world, not least with the unanimity. Again, the High Court had ruled that “the refusal of the courts to review political questions is well-established”. Yet the Supreme Court saw fit to wade into the most politically charged issue of modern times. Furthermore, other than in passing, the referendum hardly merits a mention in Lady Hale’s judgment and yet everything that has happened can only be seen in this context.

    The decision to prorogue Parliament was made to prevent it frustrating the executive from fulfilling the democratic decision of the voters in 2016. Parliament’s authority is derived from the people and yet MPs appear to believe their sovereignty exists as a discrete entity.

    For instance, when Gina Miller won her first victory nearly three years ago, the courts agreed that MPs, not the executive, must trigger Article 50. Many Remainers hoped that the Commons would treat the referendum as though it were a giant opinion poll and ignore it. It was, after all, advisory because it was never written into statute that the decision must be enacted. Yet the Article 50 motion was passed by a massive majority because politicians dared not be seen opposing a democratic decision that they had handed to the electorate.

    Instead, they began a lengthy guerrilla action to frustrate Brexit, pulling every available constitutional and legal lever. This is the key to understanding the Government’s decision to do something that in normal circumstances it would never have dreamt of doing and suspend Parliament while pretending it was all about preparing for a Queen’s Speech. Everyone knew the real reason and we did not need the Supreme Court to spell out the obvious.

    That reason was political and for Lady Hale to say this has nothing to do with Brexit is disingenuous. It is a contentious matter for the executive and Parliament to sort out. Historically that would happen by way of a general election but MPs have refused to agree to one. With the help of the judges, they have left Mr Johnson stranded – in office but not in power.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/24/britain-has-become-republic-bercow-head/

  102. HAPPY HOUR – “Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.”
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3d4e038cd1040949c07d222a8b9b50750d242f04d2acf1658f32d2e54d6d7a40.jpg

    The Spider and the Fly
    “Will you walk into my parlour, said a Spider to a Fly;
    ‘Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy.
    The way into my parlour is up a winding stair,
    And I have many pretty things to shew when you get there.
    Oh, no, no! said the little Fly; to ask me is in vain:
    For who goes up that winding stair shall ne’er come down again.

      1. ‘Ere, Our Susan, she ran orf with another woman’s husband…

        A legal man. Whom she referred to as her “frog prince”. I’ll bet he was hopping mad….

    3. In April 2018, she featured as a celebrity judge on BBC cooking show MasterChef.

      (Masterchef = well known beeboid stitch up. Sound familiar…??)

          8. Tut, tut. None of yer Essex ways here.

            (Though I do agree that chips are shyte in Engerland because they are NOT at least twice dipped.

            Indeed, often almost NOT dipped…{:¬((…)

          10. This evening I will be having a boeuf bourguignon, (prepared with home made stock and a splash of red vin, with mashed potatoes & steamed sweet heart cabbage…

          11. A “splash”?

            Stupid boy – use half the first bottle in the “jus” (doncha just hate that word?) and the other half and the second bottle shared with some of your four wives.

    5. As I was going up the stair,
      I met the judge who wasn’t (all) there;
      She wasn’t (all) there again today;
      I wish to hell she’d go away.

    6. I knew an old Judge that swallowed an EU lie,
      I don’t know why she swallowed an EU lie,
      Perhaps she’ll die,

      I knew an old judge that wore a Spider brooch,
      On the prorogation rules she did encroach,
      Perhaps she’ll croak.

      1. Posted on an earlier thread – 10 of the judges receive £175,000 each from the EU, presumably each year.

        That cheap….!

        1. I wonder how many of the ‘Supreme Judges’ have read Alice Through the Looking Glass, sweetie ? … x

        2. I wonder how much the judges get from the British taxpayer. I could look it up, but, quite frankly, I can’t be @rsed.

          ‘Evening, Plum.

          I’m watching Andrew Neil, and think I feel the same about the gits on it too. I received a pressie from D. today “The Madness of Crowds” by Douglas Murray. Maybe I’ll start that, instead.

          1. They do hold other positions. A bit like pole-dancers. Stick enough money in their knickers and they’ll drop them for you.

            ..copied from my post to Plum….

        3. They do hold other positions. A bit like pole-dancers. Stick enough money in their knickers and they’ll drop them for you.

  103. Yeehah and zippedy doo dah: I am typing on the resurrected, all whizz bang laptop.
    (Fingers crossed.)
    This thing has had more bits replaced than the Six Million Dollar Man. Though, I hasten to add, not at the same price.

    1. Oh Lord – and we were just thinking how peaceful NoTTL had been lately…

      I suppose you’ll be all over us from now on? (…..bring it on!!)

          3. I heard she was so good she could make a patient without disturbing the bed….or was it the other way round….?

  104. Archant has outsourced the printing and distribution of its newspapers, shuttering its own presses and putting 96 jobs at risk.

    The regional publisher, whose titles include the Eastern Daily Press and The New European, has said the move will provide “substantial cost savings” as it continues to invest in digital.
    It will stop printing newspapers at Thorpe Print Centre from November. The £40m print facility, which is situated just outside Norwich, where Archant’s headquarters are based, will stand idle.

    Printing of Archant’s more than 50 regional newspaper titles will transfer to Newsprinters, a subsidiary of News UK, in Broxbourne, Hertfordshire.

    The distribution of Norfolk and Suffolk titles, also previously in-house, will be taken over by Menzies and Smith News.

  105. Probably the best phrase I learned during my 10 years as a Court Usher should be asked of the ‘Supreme’ Court. It was asked by Legal Advisers of Solicitors when they claimed a point of law the Adviser was not aware of.
    “Please provide me with the Statutory Authority” to which the solicitor had to find the Act of Parliament, section and sub-section to prove the point.
    I wonder what the 11 would have said?

    2. Very interesting, gg.

      In the dim and distant past, when, for 27 years, I went on the JY Prog most Fridays – often I’d make a statement about something.

      A wanqueur would phone in and say I was wrong.

      My standard reply was, “That may well be so – but just give the name of the case/Act/regs which you think makes you right and me wrong.”

      In 27 years NO ONE ever replied.

      1. I used that twice and had great success. Once with HMRC and secondly with the Valuation Agency. HMRC tried bullying and I, eventually, received an apology and compensation.

  106. My husband attended the first of a ten week course on
    the Environment this morning.
    He reported back saying only 17 people attended,
    the course leader was an out of his depth member of the
    Green Party who says we humans are wrecking the planet,
    that we should go back to living in tribes and eat leaves.
    That modern living is wrong and Marxism has it’s advantages.
    Nearly all those on the course agreed with the nonsense
    and there was not an ounce of sense spoken.
    I asked the husband whether he was going to attend the other
    classes and he said he was going to do so, he wants to
    disrupt the course leader and add balance and realism to
    the classes. I think husband might get chucked out of them
    eventually but he thinks the course leader shouldn’t go
    unchallenged . It’s good that I wasn’t there, I might have lost the plot.

    2. If he challenges the course leader more than once or twice he’ll be asked not to return. These people do not like debate. Do they have a weekly progress test with marx out of ten?

      1. Yes I think the same, I can’t see him lasting the whole ten
        weeks without being questioned in regards to his
        watermelon suitability. Husband said the course leader
        was speaking as if it were the 70s and he had no
        understanding of the modern world and our actual
        requirements. We should all return to the past,
        living amongst rotting wind farms and pray to Gaia, clearly .

        1. Who is paying for your hubby to attend this course? Couldn’t they be told what a waste of money it is?

          2. What on earth for? Sounds a little bizarre, for the hubby of a Saxon queen to do.

            P.S. If he gets asked to leave he can ask for a refund then.

      1. Indeed. Lest we forget the fossil fuel they burn when
        having climate change conferences in exotic locations
        discussing carbon footprints ( but not theirs ).
        Hypocrites, the lot of them .

        1. That’s what the husband said before he ventured out
          this morning, he thinks they are very dangerous and nuts
          but wants to know what they’re up to.

  108. Thomas Cook collapse: German company files for bankruptcy

    Thomas Cook’s German subsidiary has announced it is filing for insolvency in an attempt to save its national brands after the collapse of the UK parent company on Monday.
    Almost 100,000 holidaymakers are travelling with the German affiliates and it is not clear what the bankruptcy proceedings will mean for them.
    The German government has already granted a €380m (£335m; $420m) bridging loan to the holiday airline Condor.
    Condor is 49% owned by Thomas Cook.
    The central state of Hesse, where Condor is based, also stepped in to rescue the airline, arguing that it was profitable.
    The company said it was “operationally healthy” and the six-month loan was aimed at preventing any “bottlenecks” resulting from its British parent company. The funding will be paid out pending an agreement with the European Commission.

    1. Problem with the headline. Should be ‘woman who gave birth’. Women are the only ones with the equipment to do so. The medically-induced presence of hair on the chin and top lip does not change that fact.

    1. Who counted them out , and who is counting them back in … and do we believe that there is a plot to bring back more than 150,000 on chartered flight?

  115. Caught a bit of Johnson in the House. All things considered he’s on good form but sadly some of the “democrats” on the opposition bench are intent on shouting during his speech. Bercow could do a bit more to ensure that Johnson is heard. Bringing Momentum’s thuggery to the House is a sign of what is to come should this dangerous shower ever gain power.

      1. The shouting from a few has been incessant and Bercow has not stopped them. How is that fair? They should have the decency to hear the PM out and he, Bercow, should ensure that the PM is heard without background dissent.

      1. I play online penny bingo and decided to have a tenner on slots. I won the jackpot. £110,794.76.. :o)

          4. £105,000 invested in bonds as quick as i could.

            My fave local restaurant does an occasional theme night. This November they are doing 007. I have invited six friends. They will have a Roulette table and Blackjack. All proceeds and winnings to a local charity, yet to be named.

            Dress code is……dress to kill. Tuxes and frocks. I have put a grand behind the bar for food and drink and we are going to smash it. I will post the pics later in the year.

          6. My friend next door said he wanted to go as Dr No. I said just stick a bowler hat on and go as Oddjob. Wait til you see the pics lol.

          1. Lols. You would be surprised (horrified) as to how popular it is. Christmas cards addressed to the Greenhouse no less. Even from people i have never met. Still, better than a brick thru the window.

          1. Most welcome. When i read your email and went to the site it just showed last years sold out. Has it updated yet? I like the calendar especially. Comes in handy so when i look at it i can see what appointments i missed. :o(

          2. It should show the new one now. I was a bit quick to send the email before Rob (the website man) had done the updates.

            Glad you like it! New one shows the two albinos on the cover.

          3. Rare i should think.
            I’ll do it tomorrow. I like the fact the cards don’t have stupid messages in them.

      2. Charles Lytton certainly wasn’t when he was fined for importuning. Shame they didn’t hang the bastard.

      1. Yup. An overblown little Scot so full of himself. Had I a Scottish referendum vote I would have left the Scots to the clutches of the EU. I doubt that the French and Germans would be so generous as the English in paying for their backward druggy lifestyles.

        3. There was a dark comedy book called “Good Omens” by Neil Gaimen about an Angel and a Demon who were trapped in human form after a practical joke they played on Adam and Eve caused the fall of humankind and the expulsion from Eden. As the Demon and Angel ran away from a very angry God the Demon said “Well, that went down like a lead balloon.”

          Over 6,000 years they became firm friends, meeting to enjoy the finest wines etc. Then they are taken by surprise when the anti-christ is born and they see their cosy world coming to an end, so they try to stop him. Anyway, they are trying to get into an American military base and they are complaining that it is too dark. One says:

          “We really need some faggots.”
          The American guard looks at him suspiciously and asks: “What do you do with Faggots?”
          The Demon replied: “We burn them.”
          The guard smiled before slapping his leg and saying: “Hell yeah! And they said you Brits were soft!”

          2. I didn’t know they were actually going to make it. 🙂 I will buy that one, just to see if they do the book justice.

          3. It is very close to the book. Definitely worth a binge watch. I’ve watched it about a dozen times and it still makes me laugh.

  121. Has anyone noticed that the majority of female Labour M.P.’s are overweight amd look horrid, while if the occasional female Conservative M.P. (excluding the May woman) is a bit overweight she usually looks quite smart ?

          1. When I was a lad I wondered every time how the writer of that poem in our schoolbooks managed to make ‘forehead’ and horrid’ rhyme.

            I eventually came to the conclusion that he had to mangle the first to make it sound like ‘forrid’, rather than the ‘fore-head’ we knew.

          2. ‘forrid’…? Sounds like a Northerner. They never did learn to pronounce their vowels proper. :o)

          3. You don’t get norther than me without running into the Scottish Border. I think you are getting ‘north’ confused with that midland area which southerners tend to think of as ‘The North’.

          4. Everywhere is North to me. I’m on the South Coast. I was alluding to Yorkshire and whatever is beyond that….. erm.. ponders…nope nothing.

          5. Yorkshire. Leeds etc. – that’s the midland bit I was talking about. It’s about half-way to London, which is South.

          6. Leeds is looking good. Don’t they have a strong financial sector there?

            I would go but everybody speaks forrin.

          9. Despite the attentions of its Council Planners Harrogate is more or less intact. The old market was demolished and replaced by a truly ghastly pastiche of a Palace in Vicenza, frankly a total misunderstanding of Palladio.

            We completed a Carluccio’s in Station Square a few years ago despite councillor planning opposition and having to appeal.

            That has closed but my replacement shop front has survived and the shop is reopened as a tea shop. Viz. Mama Doreen’s Emporium

            Good luck to the new occupants.

          13. There’s posh. Only had it the once when i kept my chum Skid company while her parents were in a Darts tourney at the local pub against my parents. They didn’t win but they still treated me. My parents didn’t even know where i was. Oh gawd..sounds like a sob story. Sorry.

          32. I remember those, but I just can’t imagine that calling someone a termagant would bring down the ire of the mods…

          33. When I called the auld cailleach a termagant,
            Her protests were loud and reverberant.
            And I found that a mod
            Like a miserable sod
            Had made sure my post was impermanent.

            (Sorry – that rhyme was a wee bit of a challenge!)

          34. That witch was always appealing to mods whenever someone contended with her. The bitch had me temporarily banned and what was far more concerning at the time was that several disagreeables on here backed her.

          38. To be fair Mr Mac you did call her a selection of other little trifles. I couldn’t get a proper translation but i could imagine it said as a curse in a Scottish accent. Pissed my pants so i did. :o)

      3. They do not appear to have “kind” faces, especially the first one. You only get lines like that if you have spent a large part of your life with a scowl on your face. My Mother and her brothers and sisters have lines, but they are curved ones and come from spending years smiling a lot. Those lines look much nicer. My fathers face was one big smile. 🙂

          1. No amount of make-up can help these poor boss eyed buck teeth bald women. It’s why they keep them covered and fuck goats instead.

            Did i just say that?

    1. I ain’t no Dr Zhivago. They come for my home all they will find is ashes. And when i’ve finished with that…they’re next.

          4. It’s okay. I’m fine in here. Warm and safe with someone watching (sitting on) over me. I’m just lucky your last name isn’t Fritzl. It isn’t is it?

    2. Actually, it’s not a bad idea. Once Africa is all here we can nip out of the back door and slip into that empty but resource-rich continent with its better weather and leave them to it over here. Then we could all get rich making Africa the success it should have been all along.

      I wonder how long it would take them to realise there was nobody left to pay their benefits and all they had to eat was each other?

      1. B,
        Sad to say that many of the electorate would insist in taking the same parties & party infrastructure with us so it would only be a matter of time before……….

        PS, We did not get as a nation to our present level without continual input from the governing parties and their followers.

      2. B,
        I do believe that the lab/lib/con coalition have had PIE on the menu for years so Teflon Green
        will probably come into being.

      3. I wonder how long it would take them to realise there was nobody left to pay their benefits and all they had to eat was each other?

        Well, except for the weather they’d feel right at home.

        On your first point you’d have to hope that the Chinese hadn’t got there first.

        1. Or someone else might nip in. My former husband worked with one – she was known as the UFO. U = Useless, O = Oriental. I leave the rest to your imagination.

    3. Millions of immigrants have already got voting rights. From the Commonwealth and the Irishpoverty.

      1. Evening HL,
        It must come to a point shortly where the indigenous vote is no longer required.
        As with the journey of a thousand miles starts with one small step.
        Apply that to politics and say a unit favoring
        islamic ideology being built on in parliament, it
        will only be a matter of time…..

  123. Gloria de Piero doesn’t look her age.

    “In 2010, The Mail on Sunday reported that De Piero had posed for topless photos aged 15 ”
    Well, she is a Labour woman ……

          2. Believe me. The randiest women I have known were fervent Labour Party apparatchiks and devoted followers.

            The Party conferences were merely a sort of political Tinder Date apparatus.

            Historically we now know about Corbyn and Abbott but I can assure you that these activities are endemic to the Labour Party and its most basic modus operandi.

          4. Can’t you get anything right..stupid woman. It’s queers and Jews in the conservative party and goat fuckers and paedos in the Labour party. Do keep up !

            That was from an Ayatollah years ago about Western government.

    2. Same age as Samantha Fox when she was first photographed for page 3. And quite the eyeful she was.

  124. I am beginning to like Boris more and more. The way he took down Justine Greening was hilarious.
    She’s not Labour, she doesn’t make my ears ring.

    2. He and Geoffrey Cox have been excellent today.

      It’s a shame that he is still trying to resurrect Theresa May’s Awful Surrender Document minus the backstop. It’s great to see a Tory leader with a bit of fire in his belly, but at the end of the day he’s still just Theresa May in trousers.

      1. JK Boris said he would take us out of the EU as promised. Out of the Single Market, out of the customs Union and out of the jurisdiction of the ECJ.

        1. I’ve never heard him say anything about any aspect of the Awful Surrender Treaty except the backstop. He voted for the whole deal at the third time of asking. If we leave under May’s deal we will be worse off than if we had just stayed in. This whole prorogation thing is just a sideshow. He is pushing BRINO, same as Theresa May was.

  125. Can someone shut up Caroline Lucas, please ? She’s like a needle stuck in a groove ( if you are old enough to remember that)

    2. She is from another planet. An alien surely? That subjective assessment apart, Lucas represents a very peculiar constituency comprising all sorts of perverts, poofs and poor folk unwilling to accept the equipment with which they were born.

        1. The Lanes is a delight. The only problem is that when you go into a restaurant as a single man, of an evening, you will be ogled by other men. A real put off for chaps like me.

          2. My last visit to Brighton involved my surveying a restaurant property. I was shocked to see that it had four stars on the front door whereas in reality it had been a disgusting bug-infested Chinese restaurant.

            My survey caused me to witness bed bugs on the mattresses in the basement for staff, wading through excrement where blocked drains had been left unattended and numerous other offences against human decency.

            Believe me. There are very serious problems in our HSE controls, made worse by our failure to be able to control miscreants or to act to close them down. As ever I blame the EU for this complete and utter mess.

          3. Not that i have ever used any of them but there isn’t a single ethnic takeaway in Portsmouth that gets more than one for hygiene rating. They are all disgusting. Most don’t even score one. They are given words of advice. They have recently withdrawn funding for inspections. I expect you can guess why.

      2. Anyone else noticed her strange eyebrows? They are very high from her eyes and strangely arched, slightly Spock-like. It looks to me like she has shaved her real ones off and feathered in some falsies.

  129. Apologies if this is a repetition (in which case scroll down!) I thought it worth an airing, by Vivian Evans.

    https://independencedaily.co.uk/your-daily-brexit-betrayal-wednesday-25th-september-2019/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=INDEPENDENCE+Daily+Newsletter1

    YOUR DAILY BREXIT BETRAYAL – Wednesday 25th September 2019
    The British Lion – betrayed

    A few extracts:

    “Mr Corbyn told Labour’s Brighton conference that he would not move to trigger a general election until a no-deal Brexit had been taken off the table. His official spokesman later confirmed that Labour would not table a confidence motion until the Government had complied with legislation requiring Mr Johnson to seek a three-month Brexit delay.” (paywalled link)

    We can also expect to see the ‘loyal opposition parties’, supported by the ‘Tory rebels, abandon Fair Play by refusing to grant the Tory Party a brief recess so they can attend their AGM. Just look at that inane Labour request:

    “Sir Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, said that Labour would not vote for a recess over the Conservative Party conference. […] His party said it would only support a conference recess for the Tories if Boris Johnson went to Brussels and agreed to delay Brexit. Former Tory MPs who were stripped of the whip after rebelling over Brexit said that they would join Labour in opposing a conference recess. “After the way they’ve behaved over prorogation why on earth would we help them?” one said. “There is no goodwill left, they can’t be trusted.” (link, paywalled)

    That of course raises the question yet again: who governs this country? The government or a cabal of opposition MPs? if they don’t trust the government, why are they not demanding a VoNC? Are they scared of having to field a GNU, a government of national unity, because they would then own the Remain mess they’ve created?

    More on that below, first a few more outcries and demands. One demand is for the sacking of the Attorney General, Mr Cox who advised Johnson on the lawfulness of the Prorogation. While some Tories are baying for the head of Mr Cox, others are screaming that Dominic Cummings must be sacked.The Times writes:

    “One Conservative MP told The Times: “If there’s one thing that is 100 per cent clear after this, it is that Cummings must go and go now. It is entirely his failure and he must pay the price now.” David Gauke, the former justice secretary, said that Mr Cummings’s position was untenable. With opposition parties calling for Mr Johnson to step down, Mr Cummings, 47, offers a tempting alternative target for unhappy Conservatives.” (link, paywalled)

    Some Tory MPs seem to want to govern from outside cabinet, without responsibility, by forcing the PM to employ advisors whom they like. It will come as no surprise that those ‘unhappy conservatives’ are the 21 MPs who had the whip withdrawn for voting against the government for the Benn Bill.

    I suggest they ought to keep in mind that their harlotry only reinforces the disgust of us Leave voters for their constant betrayal of Brexit. These MPs are playing to the other Remainers in the HoC, in the MSM and in the Westminster bubble. We out her know better, and know full well what they have done and are doing.

    The next one in the firing line of irate Tories who can see their chances of re-election going down the drain is none other than Jacob Rees-Mogg. Here’s a report on what JRM is alleged to have said:

    “Last night, in a Cabinet conference call, Leader of the Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg accused Supreme Court judges of launching a ‘constitutional coup’ and ‘the most extraordinary overthrowing of the constitution’. He also accused the judges of making errors, saying ‘some elements of the judgment are factually inaccurate’.” (link)

    There are other, critical assessments of the verdict and what it means for the government of our country. For example, Philip Johnston observes in the DT:

    “Constitutionally, the court’s decision is seminal. It marks the most brazen encroachment of the judiciary on to territory once considered an untouchable Crown prerogative. Just two weeks ago, the High Court in London, with the Lord Chief Justice, the Master of the Rolls and the President of the Queen’s Bench Division sitting, ruled that the legality or otherwise of prorogation was not a matter for the judiciary: “The court concludes on well established and conventional grounds that the claim is non justiciable – that is, not capable of being determined by the court.” If these grounds are “well-established” how could they be overturned in such a peremptory way? The failure of a single Supreme Court judge to stand up for long-established constitutional principles is shocking.” (paywalled link)

    That is a good question and a good observation: shocking indeed – but not to be wondered at when we read that one of those Judges was Lord Kerr, the author of that Article-50-clause in the infamous Lisbon Treaty.

    Here’s another interesting bit of information that came out after the verdict. It throws a light on how and why this case came about and was won. Gina Miller, and her lawyer Lord Pannick, have been preparing for this court case a long time ago:

    “In July, as soon as Conservative leadership candidates had floated the idea of suspending parliament, Ms Miller had reassembled the team that helped her to win the legal battle in 2016 over parliament’s role in the Article 50 process.” (link, paywalled)

    Ah! No wonder she needed to ask for crowd-funding – paying those eminent lawyers for such a long time doesn’t come cheap.

    When we therefore ask who governs this country, we can say with confidence: not the government, not Whitehall Mandarins, not Parliament, but the Law Courts used by those with the deepest pockets.

    Richard Littlejohn, trenchant as ever, asks in his column in the DM:

    “If this wasn’t about Brexit, why did arch-Remainer Gina Miller bring her case in the first place? Why, otherwise, were they so violently opposed to Boris Johnson suspending Parliament for five weeks? It’s not as if any of them have ever objected before to having more than a month off. In the 40-odd years I’ve been writing about politics, I can’t remember Parliament ever sitting in September. The House would break up in the summer and not reconvene until after the party conference season in October. So what was the big deal? MPs are being ‘silenced’, they screamed. If only. They never shut up. No, the real reason they were feigning outrage is that Boris would have denied them a few extra days to frustrate Brexit.” (link)

    Precisely! I think you might like to read his whole column, it’s not paywalled. His conclusion speaks for all us Leavers:

    “Inside the Bubble this is being presented as a victory for parliamentary sovereignty, for justice and for democracy. Outside, where most of us live, we can see it for exactly what it really is: a disgraceful, but well-executed Remain stitch-up. They’re trying to drum into our thick heads that they know best and our votes are worthless. It isn’t justice, and it’s definitely not democracy.” (link)

    There’s nothing to add to that! I have one question though. I noticed that the government’s barristers were bringing comparatively weak arguments, especially opposing arguments made by Lord Pannick. I wondered why that was – does the government not have access to eminent lawyers, Mr Martin Howe QC for example?

    Thus I ask: was Johnson perhaps aiming to lose this case, and if so – why? Isn’t his calm response, his acceptance of this verdict … astonishing? My suspicion-antennae are twitching furiously, and I wonder if this was the ‘secret plan known to three people’ we’ve heard about at the start of the month. What do you think?

    KBO!

    1. If Boris Johnson wants a clean and proper Brexit he will make an electoral pact with Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party. If he doesn’t he won’t

    2. Littlejohn’s suspicion about the ‘secret plan’ is interesting. Could it be that Boris is pulling off a massive act of prestidigitation, and distracting Remainers by focussing on the obvious, while quietly working in another direction? One can always hope, but I’m not holding my breath.
      Edit: Not sure whether it’s Littlejohn’s thought or yours, Hertslass.

      1. Certainly do NOT hold your breath.

        Johnson is not interested in anything except Johnson.

        He cares neither a jot nor a tittle for the 17,4 million…..

    1. I am sick of the sight of the Swinson hag and her thrusting tits. Yup she got pregnant and had a child. Nothing to see there. It was once normal and undeclared yet this ghastly bitch thinks that she has some unique authority on account of her motherhood.

      Look dear, you leant back with your legs apart and thought of England no doubt but that does not give you some maternal right to dictate to the rest of us.

      5. With respect I don’t think she gives a toss for England, any thoughts at all would almost certainly be for the EU…..

  134. Evening, all. My (remain) neighbour crowed this morning, “Boris is in the sh/1t”. I pointed out we were all in the sh1/t because the judiciary had just wiped out the separation between the executive, the legislature and the judiciary. Democracy had been killed off.

    1. How can you live next to one? How can you talk with one? They are absolute traitors. What’s his vested interest for remaining? Not being able to wash his own car is the only justifiable reason. You live in the stockbroker belt?

      1. No, I live in the rural Marches. He stated he didn’t think leaving would be a disaster, but neither would staying in. I happen to know he is a LibDem and supported staying in. I live near (not next to) him through accident of location. I talk to him because we’ve always talked and we get on well. I’m a leaver, not a remainiac.

          2. Sorry, no perhaps about it. If they are middle class tossers they usually have a vested interest but you say he hasn’t. There never has been a single reason nor ever will be a reason to be in the EU. Try frightening the shit out of him. “You do know that when the patience runs out there will be civil war. What are you going to do when it kicks off and you’re surrounded by violent Chav? Give him a copy of Kipling’s original poem mentioning English. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/eb64a15fd20ebe6898f5bd1acdb2fd33be2049429ce61720f3d6404ff9141ae6.jpg

          4. Yep, brilliant. If you were to show it to a neighbour they’d say they felt the same. Or your relative from… and so on. We all feel the same.
            You probably know they changed it later to the “Saxon” so they could get the Yanks involved in WWI.

          5. The middle class tossers you are referring to are the ones who built their businesses over the last 30 years. Not the over priveleged you appear to loathe.

            Men and women who worked all hours and very hard to buy their own houses, stick on a conservatory and pay off their bloody mortgages. Turn your ire to where it is due. The bottom feeding scum suckers that wish to steal it from those who have strived for it….Ahem. Here endeth the sermon. :o(

          6. British management is the worst in the world.
            Good British military leaders are few and far between. It’s the thin red line that has to prevail. Only aided by the skill of the engineers, designers and the workforce that produce the weapons.
            The wonderful Thatcher was the main one who wanted to destroy British industry and favour the tossers in the financial sector.
            Got no problem if you started your own biz, especially if it’s producing goods.
            The main group that voted remain are the middle class tossers and their totally brainwashed offspring. When it kicks off it’ll be the chavs which you lot on here despise so much that will hold the key to a massive win for leavers.. Same on GP. “They’d vote for a pig with a red rosette!” Why would they vote for an even bigger fat pig with a blue one?

    2. Just as there are some topics not to be discussed in polite company or at table i definitely wouldn’t discuss politics with a neighbour.

      Good evening, Conway.

    3. I know people like that. They are so focussed on reversing Brexit and sticking one up the Tories that they don’t seem to realise that what has happened can come up and bite them on the arse one day.

      When it does they’ll blame ‘The Tories’.

      1. I’m rather looking forward to it. When the mega whinging begins because they got what they thought they wanted i shall have my earplugs in. On a beach somewhere far away from those troglodyte shits.

    1. Miss Polly, you Yanks aren’t very good at sarcasm, are you? You want me to give you sarcasm lessons for five dorrar per hour?))))

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