776 thoughts on “Saturday 28 September: Remainers are demonising reasonable language to smear opponents”

  3. DT Story

    An exclusive extract from Charles Moore’s biography of the former prime minister reveals how Mr Major conspired against Mrs Thatcher to try and satify his avaricious lust for power.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/27/revealed-john-majors-role-margaret-thatchers-downfall/

    Wisdom and goodness to the vile seem vile
    Filths savour but themselves.

    [King Lear}

    No wonder John Major savours the EU so much! He is the quintessence of sheer filth himself.

  5. Boris has been referred to the police by the London Authority for possible misuse of public money whilst mayor of London. Boris is certainly under fire at this critical time in his Prime Minister career.

    2. They will only leave him alone if he utterly fails and retreats to obscurity.

      a} If he delivers a WTO Brexit as we Deplorables wish, all the wrath of the Remainer establishment will do whatever they can to make his life miserable and topple him from leadership of the Tory party.

      b) If he delivers a fudged May Brino he will be under fire from Farage and many of us and, with their new found clout, Remainers and their allies in the media will seek to dictate every phase of the negotiation of the Political Declaration/Free Trade Deal.

      Remember, his sister-in-law (Emily Gentleman, Jo’s wife) is a Guardian columnist and knows lots of dirt.

      1. ‘Morning, Citroen, if he succeeds with a), then there will be a General Election shortly after and 90% of the current clownhouse population will be out of a job and will only be able to snipe from the sidelines, The BBC will lose its Charter and the MSM will probably have the ar$es sued off them for fake or libellious articles.

    3. ‘Morning, Clyde. Just a coincidence, of course, that a complaint has been made three years after he completed his second term as Mayor, and obviously nothing to do with the current campaign to discredit him because someone doesn’t want the will of the electorate to prevail and who is terrified of strong leadership.

      Edit: If this is a genuine skeleton in BoJo’s cupboard I am willing to bet that Khant has a large stack of them in his.

      1. Who keeps a list of politicians’ alleged doings and peccadilloes ready to be exposed when beneficial to the aims of the holder(s)?

        2. See Bob of Bonsall’s twiitter below and his clip from the Guardian.
          It appears that the Guardian has been keeping an eye on Boris and his adventures. The Guardian’s article informs us that Boris visited the flat of the beneficionary of the Council money several times. It is left to our imagination why he visited the flat.

    4. Obviously planned to increase the pressure on him at a critical time in politics.
      Edit: should have read down the threat to see that BoB had made the same point.

  6. SIR – Has anyone thought what our lives would be like if Britain remained in the EU or even just in the customs union (the EU by another name)?

    It would be a horror show. Revenge would be dished out in every possible form. The Treaty of Versailles would be nothing compared with what the EU would do to us.

    We must make a clean break and go.

    Terry Hodges
    Canterbury, Kent

    Of course lots of people have thought about it. The problem is that no airtime will be permitted on any broadcast media for such a gruesome spectre.

    1. Terry Hodges is of course correct. May connived with the EU to produce a “deal” to both punish the UK and act as a deterrent to other countries that might have been harbouring thoughts of escaping the stifling grip of the Brussels cabal.
      May appeared unfazed by the forensic destruction of her “deal” by leading lawyers, economists et al. If she had succeeded in ratifying her “deal” the people would have quickly realised that she had been a willing partner in agreeing to the literal destruction of much of this country’s industry, agriculture, fishing etc: any reputation she retained after her abject performances both as HS and PM would have disappeared without trace and the Tory Party would have been destroyed. Sadly, Johnson appears to be treading the same path to self and party destruction as he attempts to renegotiate May’s WA. Ironically, the EU, by refusing his “deal” could save Johnson from his own stupidity.

    2. If we were to remain, the EU, together with its supporters in the UK, would ensure that we would never again have the opportunity to leave.
      Edit: should have been never, not ever!

  7. Words almost fail me:-

    SIR – Gina Miller is a national treasure. She has twice thwarted an overweening government and deserves a peerage.

    Peter Knott
    Kidderminster, Worcestershire

    Robert Spowart 28 Sep 2019 6:11AM
    The elevation of Gina Miller to the House of Lords will be its death knell.

    1. It’s clickbait, Bob.

      See our NoTTLer colleague BTL@DTletters

      Max Bonamy 28 Sep 2019 3:02AM
      Great crop of letters on Brexit and Nicholas Young (last letter) nails it as usual.

      So this morning’s clickbait is,

      “GINA MILLER IS A NATIONAL TREASURE.” Discuss.

      Let’s concede she is photogenic and sassy. She is the perfect pin-up for Remain ultras. Her BAMEness to-boot bestows a Teflon coating and an uncritical pass on the airways.

      She doesn’t act alone of course. Like Greta Tantrum she is a marionette.

      No Leaver would ever enjoy the alacrity of ‘justice’ that Gina gets. When Gina says “Jump!” the obliging Courts say “How high?” What Gina wants, Gina gets. And boy, is she a busy vexatious litigant.

      She claimed it was not the idea of Brexit that filled her with dread, but “the idea of an unchallenged, unanswerable government taking us back to 1610 and ripping a hole through our democratic structures.”

      Yet, as a Lib Dem supporter of Swinson, we can safely say her lofty motive, however it is dressed up, is the abolition of Brexit. Some might call that anti-democratic.

      Of Brexit itself she said: ” it will so obviously turn our country into a laboratory for one of the most extreme rightwing experiments we have witnessed since the 1930s.”

      I’ve never seen any interviewer challenge her on this Nazi goose-stepping claim.

      Her source of funding, which to us plebs is an eye-watering bottomless pit, is never investigated (in contrast to Leave donors who have been hounded by the Electoral Commission, the Police and the Inland Revenue). Her crowd-funding is of course a tease and a cloak for her real sponsors – the Remainer Mass Elites? Soros? the EU itself? Perhaps all three.

      So the punchline really is not that Gina is a national treasure, but rather she has unlimited access to Remainer treasure and to all the levers and doors of the Deep State working flat out to scupper Brexit.

      The rest of us can only dream of such privilege.

      1. The “businesses” with which Ms Miller is associated are registered companies. At some point in the future the accounts may be available.

          1. Yes, unfortunately. Rules allow filing of abbreviated accounts. We can see assets but not cash flow. Cash flow is the key to understanding. It could be millions in and out.

      2. “I’ve never seen any interviewer challenge her on this Nazi goose-stepping claim.”

        We can guarantee that it wouldn’t be Maitlis or Nagger, both of whom are recently reported as having been sent to the naughty step by their employer for the same ‘offence’ – although this was apparently a grave injustice in Nagger’s case ‘cos 150 differently-coloured have told us so and want her punishment rescinded. Isn’t the fact that they are not demanding the same for Maitlis ever so slightly racist??

        ‘Morning, Citroen (manners).

    3. Anyone who downloads the tablet edition of the DT won’t have seen this letter as it isn’t there. Once again, tablet subscribers get short measure. I have complained to the DT about this in the past, to no avail.

  8. SIR – Notwithstanding efforts to censor the language used by the Prime Minister, I am confident that in future the European Union Withdrawal No 2 Act 2019 will be known as the Surrender Act, regardless of what happens on October 31.

    His Honour Judge Nicholas Webb
    Birmingham

    Quite right too.

  10. Morning all.

    After Brexit should I eat my egg frm the large or small end?

    Or should I ask Gina Miller?

    1. The answer, in an eggshell, is that since we’ll be free from the EU’s yolk, either will do, although make sure your soldiers aren’t from the EU’s new army.

      Morning R P.

  11. I wonder how Labour and remainer politicians that want to censor fairly moderate language in parliament for fear of causing people to attack them can square that with the fact that their leader Corbyn has stood on the same platform with people that belong to groups that have gone out and killed thousands of people and even blown up a former prime minister and her cabinet in a hotel in Brighton.

      1. Good morning HJ.

        The Remainers have taken on the tactics of the Left – smear, smear, smear again and keep throwing mud. They have no arguments with which to defeat their opposers so they have no other choice. Hypocrisy, no sir they cannot be hypocrites they have moral authority on their side.

        Some examples from the link that HJ provided:

        “Here is a very brief list of the left’s own ‘vile’ language:

        Liam Byrne said the PM was guilty of treason
        Jess Phillips said she will “knife Corbyn in the front”
        Near universal called of prorogation a “coup”
        Stephen Doughty said the PM has engaged in a “betrayal of Britain”
        John McDonnell compared the PM to a “dictator” during WWII
        Ian Blackford accused the PM of “behaving more like a dictator than a democrat”, twice in the same speech
        Jeremy Corbyn alleged the coalition killed 120,000 people
        Diane Abbott called the Tories “cruel and callous”
        David Lammy said Leavers behaved like Nazis, then doubling down saying the comparison wasn’t strong enough
        John McDonnell fantasised about killing Margaret Thatcher
        John McDonnell’s famous “lynch the b*tch” comments on Esther McVey
        John McDonnell accused the Tories of ‘social murder‘
        John McDonnell wanted to garrot Danny Alexander
        John McDonnell said Blair’s Heathrow policy was “a betrayal of this house and democracy“
        Ed Davey called for a remain alliance in Uxbridge to “decapitate” Boris
        Ian Blackford was accused of “agressive” behaviour towards Charles Kennedy during the 2015 election in a note to the police
        Corbyn’s own hard-left leadership has led to his own MPs being called “traitors”, “Blairite scum” and “Tory stooges” innumerable times
        Ian Lavery, the Chairman of the Labour Party, led a Trump-esque chant of “lock him up” about Boris at conference
        Lloyd Russell-Moyle shouted “These Tories are dirty, dirty, chaos-mongering people that we will sweep out of this country“
        Rebecca Long-Bailey called for a “Revolution“
        Every year at their party conference the Shadow Cabinet sing the Red Flag, which includes the lyrics “though cowards flinch and traitors sneer“”

        1. It’s a pretty shocking list, isn’t it? I trust that those who brief BoJo will provide him with this info in good time for the next few PMQs.

      2. Some interesting comments below that link, including a couple from Remain voters who have now changed their minds after seeing how vile the EU response to our vote has been!

  12. The BBC can no longer claim to be impartial
    DOUGLAS MURRAY – 27 SEPTEMBER 2019 • 8:00PM

    Complaints against two BBC presenters underline the media vogue for opinions rather than facts

    Is impartiality desirable? Is it even possible? Among journalists and broadcasters of a certain age the answer would still be “yes”. True, it was difficult. Certainly the aspiration often went unachieved. But it was something to aim for, at least.

    Then 2016 happened. That year, the publics in Britain and America both cast a vote that was not accepted by the majority of the media in either country. While journalists blamed the Leave campaign and Donald Trump for creating “fake news”, and the Right in both countries vented long pent-up concerns about the bias of the “liberal media”, that media did the worst thing it could have done. It decided that on matters of the greatest importance, impartiality was not just undesirable but was actually part of the problem.

    One consequence of this surfaced this week with the news that the Breakfast host Naga Munchetty had had a complaint upheld against her by the BBC. In the same week, the Newsnight presenter Emily Maitlis had a complaint upheld against her for a segment with the pro-Brexit journalist Rod Liddle that was so biased it was more of a drive-by shooting than an interview. But it was the Munchetty complaint that made headlines.

    Earlier this year she had responded live on air to the US president’s casual invitation to four US Congresswomen to “go back” to the “places from which they came”. In reporting these remarks Munchetty said on air that they were “embedded in racism”.

    The BBC swiftly came under attack for upholding the complaint. Stung by the criticism, it has since said she will not face disciplinary action and went to great pains to explain that she was “perfectly entitled” to respond to a “clearly racist” comment – but not to impugn the character of the president.

    But But even this betrays a clear and undisguisable assumption. Munchetty clearly believes that the American president is a racist. Absurdly, Maitlis evidently feels the same about Liddle.

    In both cases their justification for their comments on air would be the same: not just that it is a duty to call out such behaviour, but that, in such a situation, impartiality is positively wrong. It is the same view that Robert Peston expressed when he said the BBC should not have been “impartial” in the referendum of 2016, but should have shown which side was more likely to be “true”. You can guess which side he was thinking of.

    Still, some broadcasters and journalists are tempted to hold an older line. On Twitter, ITV’s Alastair Stewart wrote: “It becomes increasingly difficult for the public to get their heads around what is happening in our politics if supposedly independent TV reporters keep giving us their views rather than the facts.”

    Both Munchetty and Maitlis gave their own views. Views which are – like those of many other broadcasters – sometimes disguised on air but rampantly displayed on their social media accounts. There are an increasing number of advocates for this breakdown of the impartial wall.

    The defence of Munchetty is that, as a woman of colour, she has a right to call out racism. The problem is that this assumes various things. First it assumes that the president is a racist. You do not have to be a fan or opponent of Donald Trump to believe that, while his language is often ugly, the likelihood that he actually is an unalloyed racist is at least debatable. The second assumption is that it is the job of broadcasters to call this out.

    At a time when broadcasters are well aware that they are losing their one-time dominance over the public’s consumption of news, proclaiming their liberal views on divisive issues such as Trump or Brexit is good for social media likes.

    Indeed, it achieves the type of admiring online reaction that so many of our MPs appear to be auditioning for, as they get their staff to videocam them “confronting” some opponent for Twitter.

    But such grandstanding is toxic for politics and fatal for any hope that broadcasters such as the BBC have of convincing viewers that they are still trying to remain balanced.

    The idea of impartiality in news has always been something of a misnomer. The choice of which story to cover owes something to the preconceived ideas of whoever makes that decision. What we are now seeing is the line between commentary and reporting becoming increasingly blurred.

    As partiality in its different forms becomes ever more flagrant, the idea that broadcasters are at least making an honest attempt at being unbiased is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain. All this raises the prospect of British media following the example of that in the US, where nobody expects anything but partisan coverage.

    Ultimately this is a decision that the BBC and other broadcasters need to make. Are they willing, in pursuit of their precious self-declared status as guardians of unvarnished truth, to work harder at setting aside their own ideas? Or will they admit that they’re not impartial after all?

    Our era might not reward impartiality over strident opinion. But we’ll miss it if it disappears.

    2. “The defence of Munchetty is that, as a woman of colour, she has a right to call out racism.”

      And that statement reinforces another hidden ‘rule’ of political correctness – only white people can be racist and coloured people are the arbitrators of what is racist.

      2. Yeahbut, yeahbut, I too am a person of colour and I’m pink, partially brown in the Summer and only white if someone of another colour calls me racist.

      3. Yes, and if Nagger does indeed have a right to call out racism, she will no doubt shortly be denouncing the group of 150 similarly-coloured for not supporting Maitlis (as I writ earlier before seeing this post). She can’t have it both ways, but I’m not holding my breath…

        ‘Morning, Hopon (and Citroen).

    3. “Ultimately this is a decision that the BBC and other broadcasters need to make.”
      Is Mr Murray daft? He makes the case for impartiality having disappeared almost entirely then suggests a decision about ceasing to be impartial needs to be made?
      That decision was made long ago.

  13. Entangled in politics, the court has wrongly seized supreme power
    JULIET SAMUEL – 27 SEPTEMBER 2019 • 8:00PM

    Our judges are there to be fair-minded interpreters, and not authors, of the law

    Rebels come in many forms. This one wore a black frock and an elegant, diamond brooch in the shape of a spider. It took Lady Hale just a quarter of an hour to read out the judgment, arrived at over a long weekend, which has smashed our constitution to bits.

    Among the chattering classes, the Supreme Court judgment was hailed by all as a humiliation for the Prime Minister and a shocking indictment of his government. Now, though, as the storm of performative outrage and hypocrisy abates, the focus is rightly returning to the content of the judgment itself, raising a profoundly uncomfortable question. What if the real destroyer of democratic norms, the real, dangerous insurgent, isn’t the Prime Minister, but the court itself?

    It’s hard to reach any other conclusion after reading a damning critique of the judgment written by John Finnis, the Australian legal philosopher, and published today by Policy Exchange. Finnis, who counts Supreme Court justices from Australia to the US among his former pupils, unpicks the judgment in 14 bleak pages, in which he explains that it is “through and through political”, a “usurpation” of supreme constitutional power and an act of irreversible damage to the rule of law.

    One of the most essential qualities of British justice – a factor that has made it admired and exported throughout the world – is that the judiciary is protected from political entanglements. In this country, this has always been achieved by the convention that certain government and parliamentary activities are not subject to judicial review – they are, in the lingo, not “justiciable”. The courts can interpret the law as it affects rights or administrative matters, but should not issue decrees on the highest principles of our constitution.

    This does not mean that the Crown or politicians are left to wield unfettered power. Instead, over the centuries, a varied set of rules has grown up to set limits on them. A government that has lost too much support in Parliament can be ousted by a vote of no confidence. A government that attempts to govern without Parliament will find that it has no way of raising revenues and no ability to pass laws.

    Equally, our constitution recognises that governments do have some legitimate powers at their disposal, which they can deploy without fear of judicial interference. That is because citizens have the ultimate recourse if they don’t like what their government is doing: they can vote it out of office. Any government that hasn’t been voted out must be allowed to govern, or else the nation is deprived of its highest political functions.

    From these lofty ideals, let us return to the court. The first clue as to the unsoundness of its judgment is that, just five years ago, it reached exactly the opposite conclusion on a crucial principle. The Crown’s power to prorogue has always been treated “a proceeding in Parliament” – a category of power explicitly protected from judicial interference by the 1689 Bill of Rights. In 2014, the Supreme Court itself ruled that the Crown’s actions in Parliament were sacrosanct and “cannot be questioned”.

    Yet, this week, it ruled the opposite. The Crown’s officers in Parliament, it argued, can hardly be considered “the core and essential business of Parliament” because they are just doing what they’re told. They can therefore be exempted from a convention that has existed, for the very good purpose of protecting the courts from politics, for three hundred years.

    This alone was not enough to grant the court license to interfere in government business, however. In order to justify their meddling further , the judges engaged in another act of legal ingenuity. They claimed that rather than making a value judgment about the Prime Minister’s use of prerogative power, all they were doing was defining the proper limit of that power. As Finnis points out, this is a weasel-worded distinction that falls apart as soon as it is scrutinised. It is a thin disguise for an unprecedented seizure of constitutional power.

    Yet the court argued that its intervention was necessary, because the country would otherwise have no protection from arbitrary government. This oddly ignores the ample existing protections, mentioned above: the government needs parliament to pass laws, raise taxes and, fundamentally, because if MPs withdraw their confidence, the government ceases to exist. If they are too cowardly to do so, that is hardly a legal matter. Yet apparently, all of these substantial checks on the Crown’s power, which have worked well for several centuries, are insufficient.

    What, then, is the evidence that they are so insufficient? Well, the judges contended that this is shown not only by the five-week duration of the prorogation (how long would be alright, it does not say) but also by its “extreme effect” in these “exceptional circumstances”.

    But what exactly is “extreme” and “exceptional” about our situation in legal terms? The judgment claims that we are about to undergo an enormous constitutional change at the end of October. But this is actually incorrect. In fact, Parliament itself has not only already passed all the laws necessary to take us out of the EU; it has even passed a law requiring the government to delay our departure.

    So there is in fact no impending constitutional issue at stake here. What the judges really mean is that we are heading towards a major economic and political dislocation. Reasonable people can disagree over whether this will be “extreme” or “exceptional”, but one thing is clear: that assessment is not a legal question. It is political.

    There is a good reason why, for several centuries, the fundamental principles of our constitution have not been subject to the courts in the way that administrative matters like health and safety law are. Judges are not elected and they are not accountable to voters. They have no democratic right to redefine relations between our highest political institutions at the stroke of a pen. They have no right to throw us into a constitutional void in such a slapdash manner, with so little regard for the sweeping consequences.

    Our judges are there to be fair-minded interpreters, and not authors, of the law. For hundreds of years, they have understood their role and exercised proper restraint in sticking to it. This is what has earned British justice its reputation for impartiality and integrity across the world. This is why people engaged in legal battles seek out jurisdictions whose courts are modelled on our own. This is what gives the public faith in the rule of law.

    All of that is now at risk. And for the sake of what? A dead parliament, drowning in bad faith and narcissistic posturing. In truth, the chief revolutionary isn’t standing at the Despatch Box. She’s sitting in Court 1, with a diamond spider on her breast.

    1. It brings Gilbert and Sullivan’s The Pirates of Penzance to mind:

      Tarantara! tarantara! Tarantara! tarantara! Tarantara! tarantara! Tarantara! tarantara! Tarantara! tarantara! TARANTULA!

    2. Is there any way that this blatantly political decision of the SC can be overturned and put back into Pandora’s Box?

    3. Thanks for posting, Citroen.

      Summary – the judges of the Supreme Court saw a unique opportunity for a power-grab of immense proportions and just couldn’t help themselves.

    4. I am of the opinion that the Supreme Court Judges went into this case, not with open minds, but with a biased anti Brexit and anti Boris agenda.I may be wrong but unfortunately they cannot be interrogated individually and their discussions,telephone calls, emails etc cannot be forensically examined. They appear to be above the law but their verdict may have destroyed Brexit.

      1. They had made their minds up before the hearing.
        They filled the intervening days with reading Barbara Cartland, doing the crossword and playing Minecraft.

    5. On the morning of the judgement I heard a male who I described on here as an antipodean professor from Oxford destroy the Court’s judgement. That must have been Finnis: he was especially critical of the decision on Constitutional grounds.
      Finnis has been the subject of attack by students at Oxford who disagree with some of his views and therefore do not want him teaching there. Small minds at a great university where thinking and debate should be encouraged.

      Guardian – John Finnis

  14. The Boris I know is better than this. Peter Oborne. 28 September 2019.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kCaEbBddeY

    Men and women are drawn to Westminster because they care deeply about the fate of their country. That’s why robust language has always been at the heart of politics.

    Morning everyone. After a whopper like that it can only be downhill from here on in!

    Nevertheless, many decent people think that something went wrong when Boris Johnson appeared to dismiss the prospect of death threats against MPs as ‘humbug’.

    Let us first get the facts straight. Prior to the supposed offence of calling “Humbug” Boris listened to a 52 second peroration by Paula Sherriff (which also included the first mention of Jo Cox) accusing him of furnishing words when speaking about the Benn Act that other persons used to abuse the speaker and others in the House. Ms Sherriff ended with the words. “So I would be interested in hearing his opinion. He should be absolutely ashamed of himself.” To which Boris replied.

    “I have to say Mr Speaker I have never heard such humbug in all my life.”

    This conflation of the political and the personal by Ms Sherriff has no basis in fact. We are all entitled to use any words we please and that those used by Brexiteers and Boris on the same subject should coincide should be no surprise. Her reaction speaks more of paranoia than purpose. The rest of this article proceeds in much the same vein. Long on verbiage and short on reality. Most Nottlers know that Oborne turned his coat for Soros Silver but it seems to have shrunk him as a man as well as a journalist!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7514019/PETER-OBORNE-Boris-know-better-this.html

  15. Today’s cartoon in The Times is revealingly laughable. Its readership and their ilk believe that they ought to be running the country (see episodes of Yes Minister, passim) and that the oafish punks on the Government front benches should be driven out of office. The fact that ‘The Punks’ are striving to deliver an approximation to what the majority of the country voted for entirely escapes them.
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/methode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2F3b665e62-e15d-11e9-9f61-dcefea5f5359.jpg?crop=2605%2C1737%2C632%2C242&resize=685

  17. Evidence links Russia to killing of Chechen in Berlin, investigation claims. Kate Connolly . Fri 27 Sep 2019 16.00 BST.

    There is growing evidence that the murder of a former Chechen insurgent in Berlin last month was carried out on behalf of the Russian state, according to an investigation.

    Russian authorities had to have been involved in the complex procedure of assembling a false identity for the alleged killer, who has been in police custody for over a month, the team of investigative journalists from Der Spiegel, Bellingcat, the Insider and the London-based Dossier Center, which traces Kremlin links to criminal activity, has claimed.

    There is no evidence growing or otherwise unless wishful thinking, and coincidence have now become acceptable in court. This man was almost certainly killed on the orders of Ramzan Kadyrov the Head of the Chechen Republic. That he was able with National resources to manufacture a fake identity for an assassin should come as no surprise.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/27/evidence-links-russia-to-killing-of-chechen-in-berlin-investigation-claims

  18. Morning, all. The Canucks go home tomorrow. They have had an enjoyable visit in spite of me bu99ering up the final week. Today, a visit to Canford School followed by a pint at the Bowls Club. Then dinner tonight at the Three Legged Cross pub.

    1. Morning, Delboy.

      What takes you to Canford School? Are you an alumnus?

      I remember 3 Cross – we lived in Verwood for 18 months.

      1. I wish! No Mrs D’s younger son is head of security at the school. He applied for the post among others after 22 years in the army and was appointed.

    2. Nice place. My sister has a guest house at Thatched Cottage a stones throw from there. Enjoy your lunch.

  19. Morning all

    SIR – As a British citizen who has not lived in the country for most of my life, I don’t care whether Britain remains in or leaves the EU. But the majority who voted in the referendum chose to leave. Therefore Britain, as a democratic country, should leave.

    Having watched Parliament doing everything possible to thwart the referendum result, I hope the world has now heard the last of British parliamentarians banging on about democracy to foreign countries.

    Michael R Hudnott
    Karak, Pahang, Malaysia

  20. SIR – Brexit makes British politics weirder by the day. Now, not only have I read a contribution to the Telegraph’s Letters page from the redoubtable Arthur Scargill, but I also found myself agreeing with him.

    Michael Cleary
    Bulmer, North Yorkshire

    1. ‘Morning Epi, when I saw the letter from our old friend Arthur I was stunned for a moment. Firstly that I agreed with him and secondly that the old bar-steward was still alive and compos mentis.

  23. SIR –Anthony Crean QC (Letters, September 27) compares the judgment of the Prime Minister’s actions in advising the Queen to prorogue Parliament to a charge of theft.

    I would argue that these two things are not comparable. Theft is illegal, and anyone guilty of it has committed a criminal offence. What the Supreme Court decided was that Boris Johnson had acted unlawfully.

    Unlawful acts are not necessarily illegal; unlawful merely means that such an act is unsustainable in law. Thus, for example, going through a ceremony to marry your dog is unlawful and is of no effect; but it is not illegal (unless, to paraphrase Lady Hale, there is some parliamentary Act of which I am unaware).

    Many who wish to denigrate the Prime Minister’s actions prefer to make use of the word illegal, in order to imply that he has behaved like a criminal. Those who complain most about the use of inflammatory language appear to be among the worst offenders.

    Nicholas Young
    London W13

    2. A brief search gives the following from a legal bod:

      “Not everything that is unlawful is illegal, but everything that is illegal is also unlawful.”

      Morning Epi.

    3. Parliamentary precedents have allowed proroguation uninterrupted for many years. Why should the court judge otherwise now? Why did the court order the reversal of the Queen’s decision to approve prorogation. This judgement may lead to the demise of Brexit, the democratic decision of the UK people.

      2. The Miller’s song….

        I love to go a-pandering
        Among the media hacks
        And as I go, I love to sing
        Old Soros’ got my back
        Val-deri, val-dera
        Val-deri, val-dera
        Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha
        Ha
        Val-dera
        Old Soros’ got my back

        I love to feed the News streams
        They ignore the referendum sums
        So joyously they hail me
        Come join my happy song
        Val-eri, val-dera
        Val-deri, val-dera
        Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha
        Ha
        Val-era
        Come join my happy song

        I wave my hat to all I meet
        And They wave back to me
        And Remainers call so loud and sweet
        From ev’ry green wood tree
        Val-eri, val-dera
        Val-deri, val-dera
        Val-deri, val-dera

        Oh, may I go a-pandering
        Until the day I sag
        Oh, may I always laugh and sing
        Beneath the EU’s cold blue flag
        Val-eri, val-dera
        Val-eri, val-dera
        Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha
        Ha
        val-dera
        Beneath the EU’s cold blue flag
        Beneath the EU’s cold blue flag.

    3. Morning H,
      Those sentiments should, in poster form LARGE print,
      adorn every council office / police station wall.

      1. ‘Morning Ogga, if only, if only. I am sure that if you did the thought police would be around like a shot.

        “What’s happened to Ogga? Not seen him for a while”

        “Oh, he committed a serious hate crime against Saint Greta, we won’t be seeing him again”.

  25. From the Groanian:

    “Scotland’s first minister, Nicola Sturgeon, has said she is open-minded about Jeremy Corbyn becoming an interim prime minister as her representative in Westminster said the Scottish National party is now “desperate” for an election.

    Sturgeon said she was not personally pushing for Corbyn to lead the country as a unity figure, but he could be an interim prime minister to secure an extension to Brexit and then call a general election.

    She told BBC Scotland: “We are all going to have to compromise, we are all going to have to swallow our pride and put up with something for a matter of days to allow that to happen, and get on with it.””

    Open-minded or been promised a Scottish Independence Referendum? Does she and others supporting this idea of an ‘interim’ PM really believe they will survive an ensuing GE? Sturgeon might with the rabid SNP support in Scotland but the rest will be decimated in the polls. If they try and force an unelected, undemocratic government into power there will be riots. How many court cases could that action result in?

    The fact that the idea is gaining support from those opposed to Brexit just shows their fear. Does Boris actually have a workable solution to deal with the surrender act and get us out on the 31st? I hope and pray so.

    1. H,
      Sad to say it is a very tentative position to resort to, that is hoping / praying this is the consequence of building,
      it was plain to see, such an untrustworthy political party.
      The best that can be said is that they are the best of the worst.

  26. A senior citizen said to his eighty-year old buddy:
    ‘So I hear you’re getting married?’

    ‘Yep!’
    ‘Do I know her?’

    ‘Nope!’
    ‘This woman, is she good looking?’

    ‘Not really.’
    ‘Is she a good cook?’

    ‘Naw, she can’t cook too well.’
    ‘Does she have lots of money?’

    ‘Nope! Poor as a church mouse.’

    ‘Well, then, is she good in bed?’
    ‘I don’t know.’

    ‘Why in the world do you want to marry her then?’

    ‘Because she can still drive!’

  27. I have never seen so many BTL@DTletters comments deleted by the moderators.

    The one poster who seems to be immune is the ever-pushy Mr A Allan

    2. 🙂 Choose your wording with care.
      You can make the same points without alerting the mods.
      Think Back in the USSR.

  28. Good morning all. Anothwer reet wett’un here overnight.

    What a way to reach my three score years and ten. I must be on borrowed time from now on.

    Have a good day all..

        1. I have taken Dolly over to the park hundreds of times. You’d think she would know the way now. Sheesh.

    7. Happy birthday Issy

      Hope you are comfortable , well done .. Sending a virtual hug.

      Are you able to have a whizz around outside in your chair or is it raining .

      KBO x

    12. Happy Birthday.
      Who in 1949 would have thought this country would be in such a mess?
      Makes rationing and blackouts mere child’s play.

    15. Good evening, Issy.

      I do hope you have enjoyed your day.

      I have been out all day so I apologise for the lateness
      in sending my good wishes to you……..no! it wasn’t
      a day of fun and jollification, but I do hope your’s was.
      Love to Minnie.x

  30. ‘Morning, again.

    For those interested in the Spitfire…yesterday evening I watched the programme about this wonderful aircraft (BBC4, iPlayer). A fabulous documentary with some glorious filming, and previously unseen newsreel and gun camera footage. Highly recommended.

    2. Thanks, Hugh. The MR recorded it and I am much looking forward to it.

      Last night we watched a most odd docu about Winston Churchill and films he scripted! Worth looking at!

      1. You won’t be disappointed, Bill.

        I saw the Churchill prog listed on iPlayer. Being a Saturday there will be something worth watching after all.

  31. This child Greta is a very active activist not only is she suffering child abuse being used in this manner but is causing hardship untold by
    councils using her rhetoric as an excuse to raise council tax ,yet again.

    1. I thought it was dropping Income Tax and then piling Government expenditure onto the councils that put up Council Tax.

      2. It’s trougher salaries and their incompetence that put salaries up.

        Services have fallen. The only thing that has risen is the wages of those ‘executives’ whose only competence is pocketing our money while displaying their utter and complete incompetence.

  32. Entangled in politics, the court has wrongly seized supreme power
    JULIET SAMUEL

    Eileen Priestley 28 Sep 2019 9:40AM

    Obviously the Supreme Court set up by Tony Blair was always intended to replace the Queen as head of State of this country and this is the first time it has actually over ridden a decision made by Her Majesty. What now therefore needs urgent investigation is the Political leaning of these judges and also those who sit in the HOLs. They have totally failed to show any form of impartiality and the obvious conclusion for people to arrive at is that they are there to do the bidding of the Political Partys who put them in their elevated positions. The “surrender bill” was rushed through Parliament in unseemly haste and was given Royal Assent in double quick time in the HOLs. It seems that the Establishment are all “fighting dirty” in order to prevent Brexit being delivered. Perhaps the people of the country’s interests would be best served by electing a completely new Party, The BXP for example to ensure that a completely new broom without any established affiliations and friendships can come into Power to really sweep clean all the dross and hangers on that the country has amassed over the last 50 years that are holding the country and its people back purely for their own selfish purposes. Brexit has really exposed the true state of our democracy today and the lengths those who pull the strings are prepared to go to just to get their own way.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/27/entangled-politics-court-has-wrongly-seized-supreme-power/?fbclid=IwAR1OGVWbDWeVgOzryUoy9CjzvuAtLev_P1uxWVvvObjMk-sfF18NQpAK9W0

    1. ‘Morning TB, it is hard to contain the rage I feel against these anti-democratic Remainers. The Left, since Blair’s time, have completely infested so many arms of the state. The Civil Service, the Judiciary, Education to name but a few, they are also aided and abetted by the Bolshevik Broadcasting Coven.
      They are now attacking Boris in a similar way to how they attacked Farage in the past. He needs to stand strong, deliver Brexit and then go to the Country. There will be a massive clean out at the next GE, I hope – otherwise we are all in the mire.

      2. How do you clean out unelected establishments like the judiciary, the Civil Service and the universities?

        2. Termites.
          I did think about maggots, but then remembered they were useful for de-sloughing festering wounds.

    1. Blimey and not even by a point or two. Even I had to check.
      I wonder what the Chocolate Teapot has to say about that?

    1. Good to see his strategies are working. His enemies are reduced to attacking the man rather than the policies.

    1. Indeed – I just caught the last ten minutes. Pity someone didn’t run after the bloke who intercepted; they could have scored.

  40. The only things against the Japan-Ireland game were the banalities spouted by the “commentators”….”Will Ireland get back?” etc etc ad nauseam.

    1. Morning, Billy.

      In the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s sports commentators—especially on the BBC— were learned, charming, knowledgeable, entertaining and all had distinctive voices and possessed strong and likeable personalities. ITV had a few but, in the main, were a joke.

      Today’s commentators, on all channels, are a bunch of vapid clones, all lacking personality and quite anonymous. Yet another feature of the incessantly downward spiralling of standards in all aspects of life.

      2. Oh for the days of the likes of Dan Maskell who only spoke when there was something to say. Today it seems as though the commentary ‘team’ think they have to talk for the whole 80 minutes as well as half time. Wouldn’t it be great if someone could make a TV where you could switch off the commentary but keep the sound of the spectators.

        2. Or be able to hear the referee when he explains a decision?

          Edited to make sense. (Or as much as I usually make.)

        3. Not forgetting: Alan Weeks, Barry Davies, Peter O’Sullevan, Richie Benaud, Bill McLaren, Harry Carpenter, Raymond Baxter, David Coleman, David Vine, John Snagge, Peter Alliss, Jim Laker, Kenneth Wolstenholme, Ron Pickering, Julian Wilson, Eddie Waring, Peter Montague Evans, Christopher Martin-Jenkins, Eamonn Andrews, Stuart Storey, Hamilton Bland, Brian Johnston, Murray Walker, Tony Gubba, Ted Lowe, John Arlott, Peter Dimmock, Henry Longhurst, John Motson, Tony Green, Sid Waddell, Dorian Williams and a good few more who are streets in front of any operating today.

          5. Of course. I was confining my remarks to living rugby union commentators.
            I would add the late Phil Liggett and Hugh Porter (fired by the BBC for being too old), both paradigms of cycling commentating.

          6. Thankfully ITV4 took both Liggett and Porter on for a few years to cover Le Tour, The Giro d’Italia and the Vuelta a España.

        1. Good morning, Rastus.

          Er … right!

          One tries, at all times, to be positive and optimistic. Unfortunately reading the news, daily, sometimes dampens the spirit.

      4. Many are inarticulate, rather thick former players. They all think it is perfectly fine to be rabidly partisan. In the match between England and the US, how many times was any USA player mentioned by name?
        The only reasonably knowledgeable, articulate and fair commentator is Brian Moore.

  43. She Was So Blonde and American

    -she sent me a fax with a stamp on it
    -she thought a quarterback was a refund
    -she tried to put M and M’s in alphabetical order
    -under “education” on her job application, she put “Hooked On Phonics”
    -she tried to drown a fish
    -she tripped over a cordless phone
    -she spent 20 minutes looking at the orange juice box because it said ‘concentrate’.
    -she put lipstick on her forehead because she wanted to make up her mind
    -she got stabbed in a shoot out
    -she told me to meet her at the corner of “WALK” and “DON’T WALK”
    -If you gave her a penny for intelligence, you’d get a refund
    -they had to burn down the school to get her out of 3rd grade
    -she took a ruler to bed to see how long she slept
    -at the bottom of the application where it says “sign here”, she put “Sagittarius”
    -if she spoke her mind, she’d be speechless
    -she studied for a blood test – and failed
    -when she heard that 90% of all crimes occur around the home, she moved
    -when she took you to the airport and saw a sign that said “AIRPORT LEFT” she turned around and went home
    -did you hear about the blonde that got an AM radio? It took her months to figure out she could use it at night
    -she thinks Taco Bell is the Mexican phone company

    1. I caught a few seconds of the Bbc news t’other day, where David Shukman, their science correspondent, was prattling on about the polar ice caps melting and raising sea levels. Does he not know the North pole has zero effect on sea level because it is a giant floating ice cube, or did he fail his science ‘O’level?

        1. Sea level would rise by over 200ft if all the ice locked in glaciers and ice and snow covered regions like Antarctica melted. However, that would require the global mean temperature to rise by 10C, which would make life uncomfortable anyway.

    2. I understand the polar bear has experienced a population explosion.
      Must be all that extra warmth; I find it difficult to sleep in hot weather, and polar bears don’t have books, telly and NOTTL to distract them.

    3. I’d like to ask her what part humans and industry played in the warming of the earth which ended the last (and previous) ice ages.

      2. What about all them stone wheels that Agg, Egg, Igg, Ogg and Ugg hacked out with their flint axes, Spikey?

        That must’ve caused some heat!

      3. Apparently Blighty was warmer and wetter during Boadicea’s time; obviously she drove her horses too hard and they kept farting.
        Burning down Roman towns also added to the pollution.

  46. I agree with the poster who said Gina Miller is a ‘national treasure’ – as such she should be buried on a desert island.

        2. Tropical climate, Guyana, not too far from the Caribbean, no recent history of piracy but has a few islands in the estuary of the River Essequibo.

          Incidentally, I read that Gimiller is nicknamed the Black Widow Spider in the City, hmm, what was Hale LJ wearing in Court last week?

          As for making a difference, if Corbyn were to seize power, she and her family could leave their mansion in Chelsea and re-locate to Guyana, or wherever. Like most socialists, she is keen for others to share.

  47. Oh, and thinking of alleged anthropogenic climate change, one highly scientific clue is………………

    Who is Al’s best friend ?

  50. This High Court contains some of the sharpest and most experienced

    legal brains in the country. Yet none of the members of the new court

    shared their view. How is this possible in any gathering of genuinely

    independent minds? Unanimity is for sheep. It looked fairly obvious

    that, given an opportunity to boss the executive about for the first

    time, the “Supreme” Court had just taken it for its own sake. Britain is

    now the sort of country where judges can strike down the actions of the

    head of government—but alas, not the sort of country where those

    mysterious judges have to undergo searching hearings before they are

    appointed.

    And what were they unanimous about? There was no great statute that

    had been broken. The supposed “precedents” were desperately thin, and

    dealt with serious breaches of law. They really didn’t equate to sending

    Parliament on a couple extra weeks of vacation. Left-wing people by and

    large whooped with joy over the supposed humiliation of Johnson, whose

    problems are actually elsewhere just now. The rest of us scraped the

    debris off the walls and ceiling and marveled at just how lasting, how

    rich, and how nasty the legacy of Anthony Blair remains.

    Hitchins

    https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/09/the-judicial-usurpation-of-parliament

    1. Two Lower courts came to a unanimous decision it was not unlawful. Then 11 Supreme court judges all decide it is unlawful. Statistically the chances of that happening are remote. I have my suspicions over this

  52. Greta is just a child-puppet that is being Abused Used by eco lefty lunatics.
    Everything is scripted and driven by others. This clip shows what happens when Greta has no script; it is painfully embarrassing to watch, she needs protecting from her parents and to be removed from this publicity circus.

    https://youtu.be/0bwLt_5t73g

    2. The only thing I would correct you on is that she is being both used and abused. I don’t believe it’s either or.

          1. Just got in before me! Yes, but for whom? I start to get embarrassed on her behalf – and then stop, thinking “she probably doesn’t do embarrassment”.

  53. Never missing an opportunity…

    BBC1 Countryfile – Lake District

    Sunday 29th September 2019

    Joe Crowley is in Cumbria exploring the Lakes’ wild side. He meets Tom Lloyd, who runs fell pony treks that follow old pack-horse routes. As they trek up into the fells, it’s like going back in time, treading in the hoof-steps of countless pack ponies before them. Fell ponies would once have transported all kinds of riches from the Lakes in this way, like iron, lead and copper. Joe then hears more about the Lakes’ industrial heritage as he meets the artists behind a new installation celebrating the area’s copper-mining history. Meanwhile, Charlotte investigates the rise of far-right extremism in the countryside.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0008zsx

    2. What a shame: I shall be attending a George Michael Tribute Concert with friends that evening.

  54. Never missing an opportunity…

    BBC1 Countryfile – Lake District

    Sunday 29th September 2019

    Joe Crowley is in Cumbria exploring the Lakes’ wild side. He meets Tom Lloyd, who runs fell pony treks that follow old pack-horse routes. As they trek up into the fells, it’s like going back in time, treading in the hoof-steps of countless pack ponies before them. Fell ponies would once have transported all kinds of riches from the Lakes in this way, like iron, lead and copper. Joe then hears more about the Lakes’ industrial heritage as he meets the artists behind a new installation celebrating the area’s copper-mining history. Meanwhile, Charlotte investigates the rise of far-right extremism in the countryside.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0008zsx

  55. Whilst I would prefer us to leave with a trade deal in place Theresa May and our Remainer MP’s have destroyed any real hope of that happening. There is still a very remoter hope that Boris can pull a Canada ++ type agreement off but it is a very long shot now so I think we will have to leave on WTO terms and negotiate a trade deal with the EU after we have left. Germany will not want its car exports to the UK considerably reduces and Ireland would not want to lose its big UK export market

    Contrary to what idiotic radio presenters claim it will not be a disaster, At most there might be some minor issuers for the first few weeks. It we take Dover which seem to be their focus of the disaster only about 14% of our imports come through Dover so even if Nothing at all came through Dover we would only be 14% down but that will not happen Dover and Calais are well prepared for Brexit

    Think logically about this as well why would French suppliers ship goods to Dover to have them delayed. It makes not the slightest sense. The goods remain the property of the sender until Landed and will not get paid until about 5 weeks after they are landed and if perishable goods go off it is the senders problem

    This is all pure project fear

    1. Bill, for the umpteenth time the EU have made it abundantly clear that talks on a TRADE DEAL will not commence until we have left the EU. The deal that you are referring to is a Withdrawal Agreement or Surrender Agreement nothing to do with trade. It’s about us paying them vast sums of money to enable them to continue their trade surplus of about £90 billion and continue to in charge of our laws and preventing us negotiating FTAs with other countries.

      1. I would estimate that 80%+ of posters on discussion boards confuse the WA with a trade deal. I’ve long given up pointing out the difference.

        1. What % do you think do not know that the WA is a new, legally binding treaty without an exit clause in the Backstop – which of course was most definitely going to be used. May, I believe, called it a “deal” to confuse that 80%+ of the electorate into believing it was a trade deal when in fact it was nothing of the sort; it was a GET INTO JAIL CARD with the EU having the key and no way out.

          1. About the same % who believed voting Remain would preserve the status quo. All of them slowly boiled frogs.

      2. I am fully aware of that but Boris can negotiate with them about a Canada ++ type deal after all they originally offered one to May but she turned it down

        1. That still doesn’t address the issue of the future UK-EU relationship, which is what a Canada++ trade deal doesn’t do.

          2. There’s far more to the relationship than just trade, Bill. Rights of migrant EU and UK citizens, just for starters.

      3. Basically, we have to give the EU everything they ask for before they will condescend to even discuss what we want.

  56. Boris Johnson’s referral to watchdog ‘politically motivated’ – No 10

    Absolutely no doubt at all about it. It go’s back to when Boris was the Mayor of London. Khan appears to have seen the media spin and contacted the Met. They having been contacted have no real option other than to look at it. All they are doing is looking to see if there is any basis at all to the GLA’s allegations
    So this woman went on a trade trip. THat’s what trade trips are for. She fully funded her travel and hotel bills

    Seems to be just an attempt by Khan to try to discredit Boris. Letsd hope it backfires and puts Khan in the spotlight

    It is alleged businesswoman Jennifer Arcuri received favourable treatment due to her friendship with Mr Johnson.

    The BBC has now spoken to several people who went on the overseas “trade missions” with Boris Johnson to Malaysia and Singapore, to New York, and to Tel Aviv.
    They said that Jennifer Arcuri seemed a bit out of place on the trips, as her companies were much less substantial than those of the other participants,
    Jennifer Arcuri was originally turned down for the trip to Malaysia and Singapore, but then re-applied using a different company and was accepted.
    She was told her companies were not relevant for the trip to New York, but she went under her own steam and was allowed into some of the events.
    She was also turned down for the Tel Aviv trip, but Boris Johnson’s office intervened and she was allowed to join the trade mission. She paid for her own flight, and although the organisers of the trip, London & Partners, booked a hotel for her, she settled the bill.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49862859

    1. Very unwise of Khan, given he probably has done his own dodgy deals and dished out taxpayers’ money to his mates.

          2. I remember seeing Ian Lavender in summer season Weymouth in the 70’s. He was in ‘No sex please, were British’. The reason it sticks in the mind was his costume. One pair of saggy Y-fronts and nothing else.

  57. Analagous to investigating Boris Johnson, can someone please refresh my memory about the funds given to the ferry company that had no ships ?
    That was under Mrs May’s control, and she is a nice woman and it would be quite wrong to make a business of this.
    It’s all been swept under the carpet now, but when it first came to light, on a Companies House search the Company mentioned was a shell company,
    with no assets and an unknown octogenarian director.
    I suppose the full details are available, but I would like to know who exactly was involved. It stunk at the beginning and I have no idea whether it was fumigated ?

    1. Giving a very significant amount of business to company that had never traded seem to point to a total lack of due diligence

      1. I think it was NOT given to a company that had never traded. Someone was behind that shell company waiting with an overpriced contract.

    2. It wasn’t Mrs May! It was one of her Ministers whose name evades me for the moment. The Serial Moron who does everything wrong!

    3. Many companies don’t own hard assets, but rent them instead for tax reasons. Take Thomas Cook for example, who leased all of their planes.

        1. Indeed. The question is why the Civil Servants involved didn’t twig that much of the company’s website content was cut and pasted from a coffee company’s.

          1. In any company you would carry out due diligence o a company. What finances they have what experience have they a good credit record. Have they made a habit of winding up companies. Have they CCJ’s etc against them. Who else they have traded with etc etc

      2. The original idea of leading is it eased the cash flow and made it easier to scale the business dow but now most are locked into long leases which are not easy to sell

    1. So they want a short extension to Brexit, followed by a General Election? The expression ‘Turkeys voting for Christmas’ springs to mind.

  59. I am sick and tired of the hurty feelings of snowflake, turncoat MPs when someone calls them a nasty name.

    Remember WSC.

    Lady MP – “The right honourable member is drunk”
    WSC: “The honorable lady is ugly – but I shall be sober in the morning.”

    Mr Paling (Lab): “The right hon gent is a dirty dog”
    WSC: “The honourable member should remember what dogs do to palings.”

    Just IMAGINE the twittersphere today……

    1. Any Pinko snowflake cretin trying to impose his political correctness on me will get the full Pulp Fiction. I’ll simply stare him/her/it down and coldly declare, right into his/hers/its gormless countenence:

      ”The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the idiotic and the tyranny of evil Lefties.

      Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and goodwill, shepherds the oppressed through the valley of Liberal darkness for he is truly his compatriot’s keeper and the defender of lost Right-wing causes.

      And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my Right-wing brothers and sisters and you will know my name is the Grizz when I lay my vengeance upon thee.”

      [With apologies to Ezekiel]

      “I been sayin’ that shit for years. And if you heard it, that meant your ass. I never gave much thought to what it meant. I just thought it was some cold-blooded shit to say to a motherfucker before I popped a cap in his ass. But I saw some shit this mornin’ made me think twice. See, Now I’m thinkin’: maybe it means you’re the evil man. And I’m the oppressed man. And Mr. 9mm here, he’s the shepherd protecting my oppressed ass in the valley of darkness. Or it could mean you’re the oppressed man and I’m the shepherd and it’s the world that’s evil and selfish. I’d like that. But that shit ain’t the truth. The truth is you’re the weak, Lefty, and I’m the tyranny of evil men. But I’m tryin’, Pinko. I’m tryin’ real hard to be the shepherd.”

      [With apologies to Quentin Tarantino]

      I wonder if I’d get away with that in the Palace of Westminster?

        2. Tut, tut – there should never be ovations, standing or otherwise, in the Palace of Westmonster.

          Shouts of “Hear, hear” and wild waving of order papers is the right thing.

    4. Another quote by WSC, morerester pertinent today then ever before

      Some people’s idea of freespeech is that they are free to say what they like but if anyone says anything back, that is an outrage

  60. I was just looking at the BBC pages and it occurred to me that every single report was either anti-Boris, anti-Trump, pro-Labour. or anti-Leave.
    You’ve heard it before, but why is it compulsory to pay £135 a year to be indoctrinated by left-wing criminals ?
    Impartiality of the BBC is a fairy tale.

      1. I don’t pay anything. Maybe I won’t have to pay anything next year either, if Jeremy Corbyn gets in..:-)

  61. ‘Morning, Peeps.

    Spot on first letter…pretending that someone has used intemperate language seems to be the new way of getting the media aboard the left-wing outrage bus. Only problem is, it is standing room only because all the wimpish snowflakes got there first with their shouting and screaming in the Commons and elsewhere that “It’s so unfair”.

    Edit: Here is the letter…

    SIR – It is a common view that Parliament continues to betray the public’s vote in the referendum, and it seems reasonable political rhetoric for the Prime Minister to describe Parliament’s attempt to undermine his negotiations as a surrender.

    His own sister, Rachel Johnson, then criticises him for suggesting that people should be, “hung, drawn, quartered, tarred and feathered” (report, September 27), something Boris Johnson has never said.

    I offer no justification for what trolls may be saying online, but it seems that Remainers introduce emotive words into the public discourse to smear their opponents.

    Michael Staples
    Seaford, East Sussex

    Oh yes – if BoJo’s slightly thick sister did indeed say “hung” instead of “hanged” then she should know better.

        1. Didn’t she flash her boobs on live TV?

          I did not see it but could someone enlighten me as to whether they were, in Daily Mail Parlance, “pert” or “saggy”

          3. It was as interesting to the Lefty press as was that time when Carol Thatcher slid out of her hammock on I’m A Celebrity: Get Me Out Of Here and squatted down beside it to urinate on the ground because “she was too tired to walk to the lavatories”.

      2. St Paul’s School for Girls specialises in producing harridans like Rachel Johnson and Harriet Harman.

        However, Rachel Johnson is exceptionally thick compared with the many rather fine Paulinas and Old Paulinas with whom we have had professional contact over the years.

    2. SIR – It is a common view that Parliament continues to betray the public’s vote in the referendum, and it seems reasonable political rhetoric for the Prime Minister to describe Parliament’s attempt to undermine his negotiations as a surrender.

      His own sister, Rachel Johnson, then criticises him for suggesting that people should be, “hung, drawn, quartered, tarred and feathered” (report, September 27), something Boris Johnson has never said.

      I offer no justification for what trolls may be saying online, but it seems that Remainers introduce emotive words into the public discourse to smear their opponents.

      Michael Staples
      Seaford, East Sussex

      Morning Hugh

      1. SIR –We are banned from saying a number of things these days, and apparently that includes henceforward the use of metaphor.

        If I encourage someone having a difficult time to “stick to his guns”, will I be accused of incitement to violence?

        Edward Thomas
        Eastbourne, East Sussex

        1. SIR – Boris Johnson is one of the finest users of the English language today. He has twice won the Queen’s English Society Prize for Excellent English, for beautifully written articles in The Daily Telegraph, full of humour, sense and clear, logical arguments.

          His recent use of colourful language in Parliament was completely justified.

          Dr Bernard Lamb
          President of the Queen’s English Society
          London SW14

    3. In truth, Hugh, it should be drawn, hung and quartered. The victim is ‘drawn’ on a hurdle to the place of execution, ‘hung’ up for a bit but kept alive to watch his own disembowelling, then cut down and his body is hacked into four pieces and his head chopped off. The four ‘quarters’ to be exhibited at the City gates situated at the cardinal compass points and the head impaled on a spike.

      This as opposed to being hanged, which has the principle idea of breaking the neck.

      After all that, enjoy a Good morning, Hugh.

      2. Hi Tom.

        Two points:

        It is “hung, drawn and quartered” in that order – the drawing is of the viscera.

        I think you meant principal, not principle.

        1. Sorry, John, I’ve always understood the drawing being the drawing on a hurdle. Wiki says:

          A convicted traitor was fastened to a hurdle, or wooden panel, and drawn by horse to the place of execution, where he was then hanged (almost to the point of death) – since it is only almost and didn’t break the neck then he was hung, emasculated, disembowelled, beheaded, and quartered (chopped into four pieces).

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered

          I suppose chopping the head off removed the principal and upheld the principle of the law.

          1. Thanks, Tom. I’ve always understood it the other way, but must have been wrong! Curious about the order of the three words, though!

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    1. “She was all alone, and took a job as a chambermaid in Eastbourne. Except her elder brother was with her ………”

      Ah well, a working girl needs someone to keep an eye on the “Johns” and who better than her big brother?

    2. Sorry for the repetition above – I hadn’t seen yours. At least it shows that we both thought it merited showing here!

    1. I’m not sure which hysteria is my favourite, Brexit hysteria, Climate hysteria or Political hysteria.

    1. Anyone under the age of 50 is unlikely to have been brought up in houses without central heating. They will soon start complaining of being cold when they can’t just touch a button and have the whole house warm.

      1. We have gas central heating and a large gas hob .. so simple and when we have had power cuts , at least we can cook , have a coal fire , and put the torches on .

        1. When we have power cuts, at least we have the wood burner and candles. Our oil fired CH won’t come on without the power switch.

          1. When we have power cuts we have solid fuel cooking and heating (although we need to take frequent hot baths to stop the water boiling in the tank!) and open fires. We have candles, oil lamps and wind-up torches.

  67. Nigel Farage to be investigated by police after vowing to ‘take knife to the pen pushers’ after Brexit

    Police have launched an investigation after Nigel Farage vowed to “take the knife to the pen pushers in Whitehall” after Brexit.
    The Brexit Party leader made the comments to around 500 supporters last week after criticising civil servants at a rally in Newport, South Wales.
    It prompted a complaint from Naomi Long, a Northern Ireland MEP, that his remarks were “a clear case of incitement to violence against staff in the Civil Service”.

      1. Nigel is slimmer and better looking than Jo Brand, so the joke would fall flat.
        At least as far as the Beeb and Plod are concerned.

      2. That was what Russell Brand’s mum, Jo, said should be done to people with whom she disagreed.

    5. They must be really scared of The Brexit Party now to do this. Even with the media pretending that they don’t exist, and all of the fake polls that are produced by pro-eu companies, they must be seeing the real numbers and realise what will happen if we are sold the Withdrawal Agreement as Leaving the EU. If Farage was no threat then they would not bother.

      The “enemy” are taking to the courts everywhere now. As people are seeing what they are up to, they know that they cannot beat us at the polls, so they throw mud and shout about legal action in the courts.

      1. “Phone for the fish knives Norma” as John Major might have said to his long-suffering ‘cuckolded’ wife.

        (Can a woman actually be cuckolded or is there a better word to describe what this foul piece of muck did?)

  69. In countless interviews, the anti-Brexit activist Gina Miller presents her history as one of heroic struggle, and her opposition to leaving the European Union as entirely about process, not politics. The Slog presents a mountain of evidence to question those assertions. She is a determined woman who has led a colourful life of success. But is she really what she seems? You decide.

    https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2019/09/28/slog-investigation-just-how-true-fair-is-gina-miller/

    1. In another age she would have been a Royal Courtesan forever meddling in affairs of state like Barbara Villiers or Madame de Montespan.

      1. Of course not – many of those who presume to lecture us are not English – they have British Citizenship. Or are the offspring of those that have been conferred with British Citizenship They don’t know the difference – we do.

        Look at other carp like Abbott, Lammy, Baroness Scotland, Khan..etc. etc. etc. And, people like Lord Dubbs (brought here through the kindness of kindertransport and the British people – but telling us we must take in more immigrants. How dare he!) Boris Johnson himself has a short memory when it comes to Telling us to welcome more Turks here, and talking about amnesties.

        1. The local Congressional seat came open a while back. One of the candidates (Republican) was from the next state over and scrambled to establish residency here. As polling day neared, the local papers reported that in conversations with people “in the street”, he was referred to as “that carpetbagger” and not really a true citizen of the state.

          He did win, but mainly because it was a pretty conservative area.

    3. Knickers: A 19th century invention. Yes, there were always cultures with bifurcated garments for both sexes but here they’re a very recent innovation. Why the obsession? (Bras have an even shorter history. 1930’s.)

          1. I got up early to watch it. Excellent game. Ireland were lucky. Their second try came after an offside offence that was ignored.
            I’m looking forward to Japan/Scotland. It may be a decider on who goes through the next round, if Scotland beat Samoa and Russia…
            Hmm…

    3. Missed it, but their win in the 2015 world cup over the Springboks 4 years ago is one of the best games I’ve ever seen, so I’m not too surprised.

  74. Jack Straw: ‘I had no pay rise in the Cabinet as Brown was a hair-shirt chancellor’. 28 SEPTEMBER 2019.

    Jack Straw, 73, practised at the bar before becoming an MP in 1979. He served as home secretary, foreign secretary and leader of the House of Commons during Tony Blair’s premiership, and secretary of state for justice and lord chancellor under Gordon Brown.

    Were there any justice in the UK he would have received the rise he deserved as he was hung on the scaffold with his two pals Blair and Campbell for company!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/fame-fortune/jack-strawi-had-no-pay-rise-cabinet-brown-hair-shirt-chancellor/

    1. He was surely one of the stupidest. I cannot remember the details but he revealed this in some minor way, school milk arguments, maybe. I cannot remember. However, getting caught offering services for cash was not very smart, either.

      1. Along with the nasty little Sir Malcolm Rifkind which shows that the Conservatives can be just as sordid as Labour.

        Why are such utter scum knighted?

    1. The Remainers are getting increasingly desperate now. They have gone crazy with their actions to dismantle our democratic system and we have all been watching them do it. They don’t have many cards left to play now. So killing one of their own who is “expendable” and then blaming the Leavers for it is now a distinct possibility.

      It would not be the first time after all.

        1. If we did they would print out the list and accuse everyone here of “nazi hate crimes” and encouraging violence. 🙂

    2. She will not be able to hold him responsible if she becomes that martyr.

      She’ll probably get a Damehood, dead or alive, but might just miss out on a Nobel Peace Prize to the local heroine from Sweden.

      [I shall write to the Nobel prize committee telling of my disdain if they even think of awarding a prize to an educationally sub-normal child with Asperger’s Syndrome who is being cruelly used as an EU and UN puppet.]

        1. A farce indeed. He had done nothing except win an election. He should have refused it, instead he demeaned himself by accepting it.

        2. Tom Lehrer gave up writing satirical songs when Kissinger won the Peace Prize.

          “My satire can no longer compete with reality,” he said.

    3. Time for the mental health authorities to accidentally stop monitoring another N@zi obsessed victim of Don’t Care In The Community.

    4. The Miller woman has a very high opinion of her opinions. Declaring that SHE will hold Johnson responsible if someone is hurt or killed: does she think that anybody outside of her circle really cares what she thinks.

    5. No chance she might blame herself for “whipping up resentment” by constantly trying to overturn the wishes of 17.4 million people?

    6. They will probably “Novichok” her front door handle which she will miraculously survive and become a hero!

    2. This man replaced Huhne and he is every bit as disgusting as his predecessor.

      Why do they knight scum like this?

  80. I have just seen a video below of bikers showing their well-deserved support for our military who are being hounded for doing their jobs. It brought back to mind a clip of Americans welcoming home the body of Marine LCpl Shawn P. Hefner a few years ago. It is not the motorcade and outriders, which are impressive, that keeps this clip in my mind, it is the vast number of people who came out to stand by the road with flags as he passed.

    I have taken off the first 3 minutes where the aircraft lands and they carry his coffin to the hearse, but even so it takes 5 more to show all of those people who cared. I wouldn’t watch this in a public place as it can really make your eyes sting.

    https://youtu.be/MVWHcObPpDc?t=3m32s

      1. Rik – I love your videos and comments, but a video of those scum should not be anywhere near such a fine video showing the overwhelming respect for a fallen soldier. I hope this comment does not cause offence. 🙂 It is them that I despise.

          1. Yes we need to know the enemy, but not 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

            We need some untarnished moments of beauty in our lives or what is the point? 🙂

      3. Is this the point where the police and the authorities openly became the enemy of the British people?

      4. And now our Military is actively recruiting Muslims. Do the common purpose drones at the top think they can win them over?

        1. The common purpose drones at the top have no interest in winning them over. They want an armed force that will happily open fire on British citizens. It is not an accident that the globalists chose islam as their foot soldiers. It is hard enough to STOP them killing us when they have the chance.

    3. Every dead Canadian soldier brought home is driven in a convoy from the air base in Trenton to Toronto, a trip of about 200 kilometers along a road that has been renamed The Highway of Heroes.

      The road (equivalent to the M1) is closed for the procession and every bridge along the route will be lined with police, firemen and members of the public showing their respect. It really is an emotional experience to see and take part.

      Luckily we have not needed to pay respects for some time.

    4. Yes, that’s how things are here. A few years back we saw the Rolling Thunder bikers coming down the highway nearby. It went on for ever. There had been thousands of them in DC for the Memorial Day weekend.

      By the way, in any funeral procession here, the cars following the hearse will all have their hazards flashing. That allows them to “follow” through red lights etc., so the procession does not get split up. Everyone knows, so no police escort needed.

    5. Excellent, but it fails the BBC diversity test. Appallingly white population in that part of Texas.

      2. Trend setter – that’s me!

        Just picked one five minutes ago a bit like the one round the chap’s neck!

          4. Very good. The Russians being the bogeyman as usual. Why didn’t they use the voice of Theresa May. The real enemy of the people?

  83. Just about to set up my new laptop ( or my husband is)
    He’s agreed with me having Firefox as the web browser
    but he still wants me to have Google chrome instead of
    Duck duck go as a search engine ( just because he hasn’t heard of
    It ) I’ve told him that I’ve heard about it and they protect
    your privacy unlike Google chrome who snoops.

    Edited.. can you change search engines at a later date if you wish
    to or are you stuck with whatever you initially chose when setting up ?

    1. I’d never heard of Duck Duck, so I just tried it’s search out, with something
      I do a search on frequently. It came up with a load of disorganised results, which
      were pretty useless. Is that just because I am a first time user ?

      1. Search for duckduckgo. Naturally Google and others will not really highlight an alternate search engine.

    2. Chrome is a browser, not a search engine. Google is the same brand search engine.

      I use Googles Chrome as my normal browser, but in the settings I changed the search engine to use duckiesagogo. It is a very easy setting to change.

      Do you think that all of those free sites exist to be nice? It is not just Google that tracks you, effectively every page you go to that shows ads is tracking your browsing history and using it to sell ads. The old saying comes to mind – if they are not selling you something, you are the product that they are selling.

    3. Startpage.com also claims to protect your privacy, I use it as my home page and it uses google, after its own privacy filtering, to do the searches.

        1. It’s the best. Google have the best search results because of the cash they have to throw at their search servers compared to juniors like other ones mentioned here, and the filtering resolves any privacy concerns.

    4. Firefox let’s you change the “default” search engine you want to use any time. Go to the options menu and select search. It will show you your current “default” and you can change it if you want. Also, you can use any of the search engines at any time by going to their websites – as in http://www.duckduckgo.com, or http://www.bing.com, or whichever you choose. Some will then ask you if you want to make their search engine the default.

    5. I’ve got DuckDuckGo on my iPad as well as Google. You can set either as the default. Google produces better search results.

    8. A bit late from me as others have already answered, but I thought I’d throw my experience in as well. You can have as many search engines on your computer as you like. I have the default windows one which is “Bing” (I think) that I use for most things, but I have blocked cookies on it so it can be very slow and reload multiple times when you are in the middle of typing a search request. No doubt to punish those of us who do not allow cookies on their machine.

      I also use DuckDuckGo and have the web address for it saved on the Bing Taskbar at the top of the screen. So if Bing are being particularly bitchy and slow then I just click on the Taskbar and DuckDuckGo opens up. The layout is different, obviously, but I have always been able to find what I needed on the Duck one just as I could with the default microsoft one.

      Sometimes there is a mildly pleasant feeling that anyone recording my web searches at Bing must see me going to DuckDuckGo and think “What is he looking at? Why wont he let me know!” We find our small pleasures where we can. 🙂

      1. But, Dear One………..how are you able to remember this one?
        ………You are far too young!!

        1. Good evening Flower,

          As you know……i prefer older ladies. They have good taste and a better sense of humour than the young’uns.

          4. I am so sorry i left you so discombobulated last time and that it took you a week to recover. I will be more gentle next time. :o)

          7. Was it Boswell or Johnson who said (in praise of older women) that you also get a good breakfast?

            Might even have been Ben Franklin in his advice to a young man in his selection of a mistress. After all, he did say choose an older woman and cover her wrinkled face with a basket, as the rest of her will still be attractive.

        2. Good evening Flower,

          As you know……i prefer older ladies. They have good taste and a better sense of humour than the young’uns.

      2. That looks a bit like the set from the early days of The Porter Wagoner show. I spent many an hour downloading that show to play it for my father. 🙂

  86. I am a white male who voted for Brexit. For the last three years I have been called the most vile, hateful names under the sun, from racist, xenophobic, stupid, ignorant, bigoted and all the rest. And in all these long three years I have never responded with personal attacks. I prefer to use reason and facts to make my case, not juvenile name calling.

    The Left and hardcore Remainders have created this ‘toxic’ atmosphere, not Brexiteers. Truly, their hypocrisy is boundless

    1. You far-right, bigoted, ignorant, foam-flecked, drooling, militant extremist.

      Join the club….

      1. Solidarity comrade!

        Being a Leaver is like being part of some secret, persecuted religious sect. It’s amusing to see two Leavers dance around the topic of Brexit, then how much we can relax when we realise we are both part of the same tribe and can speak freely.

        Maybe we need some kind of secret handshake or something?

    3. Funnily enough, no one has ever called me racist, xenophobic, stupid, ignorant or bigoted for voting for Brexit.

      I can’t be sure but I guess it is because they value their teeth.

    2. Happy 5780. The end times aren’t supposed to start till 6000 but I think God has decided to bring it forward.

      2. I think remainers will be responsible for the next war. We’ve always won, but the Left are vicious, spoiled, arrogant and greedy. Such spite knows no restraint.

    3. You’ve got to love those Jews, they’ve had a hell of a time. They still keep smiling.

      Whether you see Judaism as the Beta-test version of Christianity, or Christianity as Judaism 2.0 (with added afterlife) we can all feel safe living in a Jewish area. Which is more than can be said for others from those regions.

    1. When anyone has asked me how old i am i could honestly say i don’t know for sure. I never think about. Thanks to your post you have reminded me and of what to expect….. You barsteward! :o(

  89. That’s me for today. Two glasses of special red medicine helped me relax. Chicken and trombetti (according to Cook).

    I’ll leave you with this thought. How can Japan find a solution to the Irish Backstop in a mere 80 minutes – and we CAN’T?

    A demain – when I have some gentle ladder work plus pruning. I’ll log in from the Horspital…

  91. LAST POST

    BBC Radio Three at 18.30 your time.

    Mozart’s The Marriage of Figaro
    Mozart’s great comic opera of intrigue, misunderstanding and forgiveness,
    packed full of wonderful, and some of Mozart’s most celebrated, arias.

    I am only posting this to let Our Susan know that I share her teeth grinding
    at the stupid R3 online preview….

    TTFN

  93. ”

    The UK’s most senior civil servant is under pressure to investigate
    Boris Johnson’s financial backers following cross-party claims that
    unnamed individuals stand to benefit from the prime minister’s
    willingness to pursue a no-deal Brexit.

    John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, has written to the cabinet
    secretary, Sir Mark Sedwill, asking if there may be a conflict of
    interest in Johnson’s acceptance of support from hedge funds that could
    gain from an economic shock.

    Earlier on Saturday, Philip Hammond, the former chancellor, suggested Johnson
    was pursuing the interests of financial backers set to gain from a
    no-deal Brexit, in a major escalation of tensions in the prime
    minister’s own party.”

    Corbyn and Hammond How low can they get ?

    1. It is becoming clearer to everyone now. We do not have a Conservative Party and a Labour Party anymore, just Leavers and Remainers.

      2. More of a 4 way split it seems to this reader – half of both Labour and Tories want to remain, half want to leave.

        1. I was referring to people such as Hammond and Grieve working to achieve the same goals as McDonnell and Lammy. They want to keep us in the EU which will mean the end of meaningful politics in this country as they try to claw more and more powers to themselves before they collapse. 🙂

          It does not matter if they called themselves Conservatives or Labour in the past or not, they are working to achieve the globalists goals.

      3. Or, as I’m calling them, servants and sewage. The servants are trying to push through our will. The sewage are fighting us for thier own profit.

    2. How about their own hypocrisy be raised first? Who’s funding Miller, for example? Why does Swinson want to destroy our democratic right?

      No. The Left don’t like to expose their own hypocrisy. That’s hy they accuse others of it.

    3. But, but, what if they lose money as a result of us staying in?
      Or to cut through the baloney, this is simply another attack based on nothing, but scraping up what came to hand.

    4. And who is going to pursue an investigation into the backers of the Remain side? That’s what happens when you open a can of worms…

    1. “while pupils as young as six are coming into school scared and confused.”
      That’s just over Brexit and the UK becoming a post-apocalbrexit house of horrors. Mix ’em up a bit more with eco-lunacy on Friday Climate Emergency Truancy day.

    2. I think this hyperbole from the establishment desperate to spread yet more FUD.

      Of course parents are angry – the establishment is fighting their will. Teachers, because they are often arrogant, aloff and dictatorial – fining parents for taking their children on holiday, for example are representative of that establishment.

    3. A more angry society, ho! Angry, I’m fecking tamping. The lawmakers over the last 20 years have transformed the society and social norms that evolved over the millennia into one where unnatural behaviours are celebrated and where there are men who think that they can give birth. Oddballs and the mentally ill have always been with us, but the acceptance of these sad conditions as normal is now forced upon us.

  96. Ilford incident: Two men fighting for life after double shooting in east London

    It seems now they are starting to move on from stabbings to shooting to Khans Hell hole called London

    Two men in their 20s are fighting for life in hospital after a double shooting in east London.
    Armed police and paramedics scrambled to reports of shots fired in Ilford just after midnight on Saturday.
    Officers found two men suffering from gunshot injuries in Courtland Avenue, Scotland Yard said.
    Both men were rushed to a central London hospital, where they remain in a critical condition.

    1. It seems the only way to solve this problem is to declare martial law and arrest, search and sen home any black male found out.

      It’s not remotely pleasant or tolerant, but the alternative is death. Which do we find least distateful? Stopping the murder of blacks by blacks or removing the freedom they abuse?

    2. But …. but … I thought it was again the law to own guns.
      Don’t tell me that only crooks now tote them.

  97. Sadiq Khan’s 65,000 homes-a-year plan criticised as ‘undeliverable’

    Sadiq Khan’s housing plans for London were today dealt a blow when a leaked note revealed planning inspectors regard them as “undeliverable”.
    The Mayor believes 65,000 homes a year can be built in the capital but has been advised to revise his projections down to 52,000, the Standard can reveal.

    The Planning Inspectorate, the Government agency
    that oversees land use, has provisionally told Mr Khan that his revisions to the London Plan — the blueprint for development in the capital — are over-optimistic.

    The 65,000 is an annual target for the years from 2019/20 to 2028/29. The redrafted London Plan has undergone a six-month “examination in public” by planning inspectors and their draft comments have been sent to the Mayor for fact-checking. Mr Khan has eight weeks to publish their full report.

    A total of 14,544 affordable homes, including 1,916 council homes, were started in 2018/19, meaning Mr Khan just beat the 14,000 target.

    Latest figures show only 2,672 affordable homes were started between April and June. This year’s target is 17,000-23,000.

      1. This bit of froth has been constructed in Dubai.

        They have money to spare and waste .. they have skills , they know how to tame the desert.. they know how to extract water

        Why cannot they be sufficiently philanthropic enough to take their skills into arid areas of Africa and Asia minor to create new homelands for the people who the Khan twerp wants to fill the UK with ?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9wsoCoJNiU

        1. Good evening Belle,
          Most of this work is carried out by expats and not the indigenous population. The Emeratis provide the cash and the expertise is bought in. Only 15% of the population is indigenous.

        3. I think that the main skill possessed in the Middle East is location above monster oil-fields. I bet infinitely little of the technical know-how and MANpower required to assemble the Dubai monstrosity was Middle Eastern.

    2. It annoys me that the homes are labelled ‘affordable’ where what he really means is ‘the tax payer foots the bill’.

      I’m tired of paying for scroungers and even more tired of paying for Khan to force me to house and feed his voting base, a group that is utterly tax payer dependent.

      1. Good evening, Wibbers,

        Take comfort from the fact that before very much longer all the
        oldies will be dead and will no longer be paying tax…….on their
        ill-gotten gains…..achieved by ‘WORKING’.

        In the near future it is going to occur to the PTB that without
        ‘yer workers’ there will be no income for them to waste on
        ‘Welfare.’

        What goes round comes round!!!

          1. Anne, I have no intention of leaving soon.

            I have great hopes of telling them to do
            their sums!!!

      2. It was fascinating to watch the program about Hajj scammers Moslems ripping off Moslems,hundreds of cases all paid for in cash 4/6k a pop
        I bet the tax man never got a whiff of those monies
        Just like “Call the Sheriff” amazing how when finally pushed tens of thousands in cash appears

  98. Ports at Dover and Sheerness will receive a cash boost from the government as the Brexit deadline looms ever closer.

    The extra funding, announced this morning by the Department for Transport, is aimed to deliver infrastructure upgrades, including more space for HGV parking, more container storage, and new signage.

    he two Kent ports are among 16 successful bidders of the £10 million Port Infrastructure Resilience and Connectivity (PIRC) competition.

    1. Presumably the Gummint have checked they actually have ports? Don’t want a repeat of the Grayling ferry fiasco…

  99. Emily Maitlis joins condemnation of BBC’s treatment of Naga Munchetty. 28 SEPTEMBER 2019 .

    She added: “My worry is the complaints body looks as if it’s massively out of touch with the real world. You have a woman of colour in a prominent position in a main news outlet, who is a presence, but not allowed to be a voice. That’s a difficult place for a complaints body to be. It shouldn’t be my colleagues and people of colour who are having to come out and say this, it should be anyone and all of us.”

    She is not paid to be a voice or comment on the views of individuals but to report what they say as factually and accurately as possible. The viewer supplies all the opinions!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/28/emily-maitlis-joins-condemnation-bbcs-treatment-naga-munchetty/

    1. Few will mention that the original comment made by Trump was neatly trimmed to make it sound racist. All those who are ignoring this fact are merely stoking the fires of division.

        1. 1. “There is no such thing as society”
          2. “And, you know, there’s no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look after themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then, also, to look after our neighbours.”

    2. This is the first comment that I have read on today’s page, so someone else may have made this obvious point. This woman would appear to be one of those “thoughtcrime facists” who think that any white person who expresses an opinion that is not 100% pro-diversity is a racist.

      No wonder the BBC hired her and put her front and centre.

    3. It would seem that the BBC does not agree with your last paragraph, since they push their “official” opinions on their audiences all the time.

      As a total aside, I had to laugh when Cliff Richard won his case against them. The next Saturday Tony Blackburn played a Cliff number, including the comment “…by Sir Cliff Richard, who has had a very good week”.

    4. But what Trump said was not racist. He said the person he is said to have abused racially should return to her country of origin AND THEN COME BACK and say how we should do things!

      Why is the second part of what Trump said ignored by the BBC? Is not the BBC unbiased and truthful and the enemy of ‘fake’ news?

      1. We now live in a Pseudarchy Richard where the light of truth no longer shines. Everything you read or see in the MSM is in some sense a Deliberate Lie. That such a Society can function for long seems unlikely!

        1. It will go on as long, in the case of most Western European nations, until the Deliberate Lies are replaced by the truths laid down by Mohammed/Allah. In the USA there will be a civil war before any such “transition”.

    4. Just 14 at the time. I remember seeing her on TV singing her first number 1, “Walking back to Happiness”. “You Don’t Know” was her second. Lovely voice. Became a jazz singer.

      1. Pure coincidence, and I’ve only just discovered, apart from her being an is and not a was, it’s her birthday today.

    1. Yeah, old Lenin and Stalin were only going to be in charge for a month or two until things settled down.

    3. Why not appoint Uncle George as UK Governor ?

      That would be the same thing and save loads of bother.

    4. Evening Rik,
      As the song goes, “perhaps they’ll listen now”
      They, lab/lib/con all of the eu dominant years been a
      bloody pro eu coalition.

  102. Just realised a really irritating factor of our new site,when I go to notifications and upvote a reply from some hours ago to acknowledge I’ve seen it ,it doesn’t appear on that reply
    Pain in the rear

    2. Even more irritating is the fact that someone I blocked some time ago has reappeared still spouting the same repetitive crap, parrot fashion.

  103. Am listening to The Marriage of Figaro from the Royal Opera House on Radio Three, thanks to the reminder below.
    Steam radio is good. You can tell how poor the performers are, compared to earlier years, and you do not have to watch the latest ” new production ” by a half-witted maniac.But it is of course, impossible to ruin a Mozart opera.

  105. Just let me have a think about this…..

    Who doesn’t do “democracy” but just buys the politics he wants like buying groceries in the grocery store ?

    That name is on the tip of my tongue….

    Oh dear… Help someone, who is it ?

    Rita Panahi @RitaPanahi
    22h

    She’s right. The losers in both Britain & America appear incapable of accepting the 2016 result. Democracy only works with the losers’ consent.

        1. :-)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          Dear Polly, …..In your dreams…………….. dear!!

  107. We need to insist that the politicians respect Article 50 rules. If no deal approved after 2 years we leave the EU. No party has a sensible plan which the EU will accept. We have had one extension. to Article 50. Time to get out by 31 October – no ifs no buts.We cannot have remainers blocking Brexit with the intention of stopping Brexit altogether. The other partys cannot form a credible government as the only thing they agree with is extending Article 50.

    1. Time to give them a good hard slap to remind them that they work for the electorate not their own private nest eggs or egos.
      If some get bloody noses from telling lies, let it be so.

      1. I think a civil war is coming but Brexit may not be the cause. I hope Boris can stand firm and get us out cleanly then have an election

    2. The Remaniacs will use any tactics – sabotage, subterfuge or scorched earth – to stall or stymie Brexit.

      We are heading for civil war …

          3. Influence of Steeleye Span, but harking back to even earlier traditions for instrumentation.

          9. That’s why it’s good that we get a bit of this and a bit of that* on NoTTL – not just DT letters, politics etc.

            *just don’t even THINK of writing it….

  110. Anyway……

    Looks like some of the media is held hostage, or paid off…

    Maybe both ?

    What could some peeps be afraid of……..

    What’s been really big in the news recently ?

    1. Unfortunatly there are daft idiots such as those at this school that believe the daft scare stories in the media and being made by politicians

      1. One of them got 8 years, but the rest of the sentences are pretty light. Its as though drug dealing is not considered a serious crime.
        Hardly a deterrent to others.

        1. The total value they are reckoned to have been involved in is given as £25M most of which appear to have gone back to Vietnam. Highly profitable given the short sentences of which they will probably serve less than 50%. Still at least it says they will be deported/They must be laughing their heads off. A couple of years in jail in return for £25M does not sound a bad return and £50M in UK terms is probably £500M in Vietnam

  118. ‘Night All

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  121. Here we go…. pretty much as predicted, and that includes a place in Switzerland……

    This will be a CPC like no other !

    MoS_Politics @MoS_Politics
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  122. Plan to end long journeys to slaughter for livestock

    Transporting animals on long journeys for slaughter could be banned, under animal welfare plans unveiled by the Conservative party.
    Under the move, livestock would have to be sent to the closest abattoir – effectively banning most live exports.

    It is one of a number of animal welfare and environmental policies set to be discussed at the Tory party conference.
    Others include creating a £1bn fund to boost the electric motor industry and a pledge to plant one million new trees.

    The party said the earlier attempts to restrict the journey time for live animals had been “prevented by EU single market rules”.
    Environment Secretary Theresa Villiers said the proposals would “choke off” the live exports trade and help protect animals.

    a move to ban all trophy hunting imports

    making micro-chipping for domestic cats compulsory

    an outright ban on keeping primates as pets

    1. Ah, so that’s what’s motivating these gangs who specialise in overnight slaughters in the fields.

    2. As Christopher Booker pointed out, EU rules implemented enthusiastically (and sometimes wrongly) by HMG after BSE forced many small abattoirs out of business.

    6. Due to many abattoir closures it is inevitable that some animals for slaughter will have long journeys. Speciaist abattoirs for pigs and poultry will entail long journeys. The closest abattoir may not be suitable for the particular animal to be slaughtered.They will have to be careful about how they frame the legislation. I am pleased that animals for slaughter are not to be exported. Horses and pets should be exempt unless the horses are going for slaughter.

      1. Wasn’t the 2001 F&M outbreak made worse by pigs for slaughter being transported from Northumberland to Essex?

        1. Yes and throw in carcasses being transported for incineration in wagons with fluids leaking out of the back.

      1. Blimey, this really is going to be a show for the Thought Police and the various Schools of (Taking) Offence. Luckily, it’ll have a 95% dominated full-on-lefty production team.

      3. Apparently there is a character wearing a tee shirt with ‘princess’ on the front. I think I might like it, especially if the character is accompanied by a shrouded sprog.

      4. Think they are going to lampoon “people of colour”? They’ll be scared sh**less of doing that.

        It would be wonderful though. Some, like Lammy and Abbot are so ridiculous that they cry out for such treatment.

  124. Politicians verses the Electorate

    The politicians are trying to defy democracy and are trying to defy the electorate . In my view those MP’s and there re many of them that are trying to defy democracy will pay a very high price at the next election

  126. They must have been reading Polly !

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  127. This court has unanimously found our MP’s guilty of offences against the electorate and against the nation and as a result have been banned from holding any political office for life

          2. She was, and so was I, but then I got up again…

            Firstly, I was asleep and then woke up. Thought I’d go downstairs and read for a bit without switching on bedside light to disturb D.

            Half hour later D comes down – cat pestering him to be let out. She KNOWS that we shut the cat flap at around 10 and it stays shut, so that she needs to do her stuff by then. So no problem, she always waits til 7 am the next day when we open.

            But silly D went down and opened it for her – I said he could wait for her until she came back – that took 20 minutes. (She used to bring loads of mice in and we found this was the best way to stop her.) The twit is creating a rod for his (not mine because he can do it) back – now she knows she can pester him into opening the flap at 2 a.m. she will try again.

          1. I have been to some funerals when the singing has been dire, but with countrymen and the military, you tend to get some confident singers.

          3. We had Matins rather than the Eucharist this morning – about 22 in the choir and psalms, hymns, an anthem, responses, the Te Deum and the Benedictus were all sung. There will be a full choral Evensong next week.

  130. Just watching a repeat of Foyles war. Sam West, Prunella Scales’ son is playing an army officer in WWII. Amusingly, you can see his pierced ears…I would say ear lobes. But he hasn’t got any, just piercings.

  132. Good night all, I’m off for a day or two. Too much to do, too many distractions on NoTTL. Sleep well, and play nicely.

      1. Sorry, Tony, I think I mistyped. But the instant I pressed “post” I spotted (and corrected) it.

  133. The endless rain of yesterday stopped this morning. This afternoon we went out in the car. The sun shone and white clouds blew across the blue sky.
    The countryside looked beautiful and we encountered this work of art.

    This work of art which I cannot show you as my computer won’t upload, even using the workaround I tried 2 day ago.

    Edit: Did it, new workaround. See above, or below, depending if you are going North or South.

  136. The key person involved in the total collapse of our parliamentary democracy is John Bercow. He permitted votes by MPs opposing the Executive under measures which would in history, by precedent, have been inadmissible.

    This twerp has allowed the minority opposition parties to take control of the Order Paper with the connivance of a few rebel Tory MPs who oppose Brexit and wish to remain, despite having secured their seats on a Brexit ticket.

    The resort to law by the Gina Miller non- entity, funded by others, and the exposure of the Supreme Court as another political arm of the Pro EU elites just about sums up the parlous state we are in as a democracy.

    Should Boris eventually gain a majority then the first task must be to abolish Blair’s Supreme Court and revert to the previous workable arrangements of having Law Lords who do not have political bias and who have no resolve to interfere in politics.

    Secondly it is high time that the BBC was called to account. The constant Trump and Boris bashing is quite extraordinary and merely tells us that the BBC is past its sell by date. I for one deeply resent having to pay a license fee for their rubbish output.

    Thirdly we need to abolish the fixed term
    Parliament Act, a device invented by Liberal Democrat’s to enable them to enjoy five years of utterly undeserved presence in Cameron’s rubbish government. Quite a few of the Lib Dem’s were granted undeserved and unwarrantable knighthoods and Lordships etc., merely at the behest of the twat Cameron and buffoon Clegg.

    High time to boot out the bulk of these freak Lords and to cut the numbers in its legislature by a factor of ten at least. Present arrangements are unsustainable.

    1. ” with the connivance of a few rebel Tory MPs who oppose Brexit and wish to remain, despite having secured their seats on a Brexit ticket.”
      Unfortunately, it’s not just a few Tory MPs.

    2. “I for one deeply resent having to pay a license fee for their rubbish output.”
      I’m Peddy tonight. ‘licence”.

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