596 thoughts on “Saturday 5 October: Renewables alone by 2030 will not mean zero emissions but blackouts”

    1. I think this is false news, Angie. Everybody knows that real Australian judges have corks dangling from their wigs. :-))

      Good morning to all NoTTLers, btw.

      1. Morning Elsie et Al

        I don’t think we should jump to conclusions – after all, that would be prejudicial and we wouldn’t want to be caught on the hop!

  3. Morning all

    SIR – As a chartered engineer who worked in the electricity supply industry for 39 years, I despair to hear politicians like Rebecca Long-Bailey claiming that renewables will provide for most of our energy needs by 2030.

    Renewable generation – solar, wind and tidal – is, by definition, non-synchronous and it is technically impossible to operate our electricity transmission system solely on non-synchronous generation. There is a real danger of system instability and consequential widespread blackouts once non-synchronous generation exceeds around 30 per cent of total generation at any one time.

    The National Grid report on the recent major outage makes numerous references to the lack of inertia in the system. This resulted from insufficient large synchronous generators (nuclear, coal, gas) being connected.

    Given the need to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, the only option is to increase significantly nuclear build rapidly. Both Labour and Conservative governments have been unwilling to commit themselves to this, which has led us into the problems we now face.

    It is unfortunate that politicians and environmental campaigners are ignorant of the technicalities of energy supply, or wish to ignore them. MPs may have the power to change the laws of the land, but not to change the laws of physics.

    Steve Proud
    Swansea

    1. SIR – Just 1,420 acres of woodland were created in England last year, far short of the 15,000 acres promised. What is happening to the money contributed by the wealthy, including the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, to offsetting the carbon created as they fly their private jets to and from England?

      Peter Richards
      Lytchett Matravers, Dorset

      1. If 15,000 acres of woodland are to be created annually, whither all the new housing – and food crops? Surely imports by plane & ship make the 15,000 acres inadequate?

      2. Good morning ,

        We now view strange Gotham city called Poundbury , Duchy of Cornwall land which is now larger than Dorchester ..which was originally meant to be a tack on village of 250 when the Mad Prince first conceived the idea a couple of decades ago.

        Good farmland , woodland , and fields of wildlife disturbed!

    3. Rebecca Long-Bailey, “Psychics? Psychics, they should be able to see when a blackout is coming and turn up the wick, shouldn’t they?”

    4. What on earth does an engineer know about how things work? Surely, that’s a politician’s domain – if not, why do we elect them?

      Regarding renewables, something that seems to get lost in the debate is that in the main, they only provide electricity and since electricity is only about 20% of the fuel energy we use, where’s the other 80% to come from?

      Morning Epi.

      1. Quite so, Eddy. Politicians are just interfering amateurs who usually listen to the wrong people – all for populist, short-term reasons. We will rue the day that they were allowed free rein in matters they know bugger all about.

      2. How are they going to charge these battery powered cars? The average household supply can just about manage to slow charge one car that means a several hour charge but if a few dozen cars in a street are being charged the local grid will almost certainly not cope and new mains cabling and sub station will be needed

          2. We’ll have to see.

            Surmising, though, if he wants to send himself and his party into oblivion, the answer is yes.

            If he wants to cause upset on a scale not seen in Britain for a long time, the answer is also yes.

    5. That’s excellent news for the 20 million electric cars we are going to have in 2030.

      1. Don’t forget all the new homes – 2 million on current trends – being built from next year that will not be allowed to employ gas heating/cooking. The magic money tree has been joined by the magic electricity tree.

        1. When we lost power for five days during the 1980’s Great storm, we were lucky enough to be able to use our gas hob .. so at least we managed to rustle up something to eat and drink.

          I do wish politicians would stop interfering .. they know nothing .

    6. Now Mr P, you are not listening to a 16 yr old aspergic truant who appears to know the facts of the matter.

    7. Spot on, Steve Proud! But I fear that your voice will be ignored all the while that politicians remain in awe of the eco-loons. This episode of collective madness has some way to run…but when someone finally has the balls to realise the damage they have done, it will be too late.

      ‘Morning, Epi.

      1. Green is simply a tax. The state wants that money and uses green as an excuse.

        There’s also that green is immensely popular with the transnational bodies. As politicians are greedy sewage they all want to get into that trough.

    8. Well increasing Nuclear quickly is not an option. At minimum you are looking at 10 years and more likely 20 year to get a new nuclear station online

      1. About forty miles up the road!
        Only a souped up Cortina journey away.
        Maybe we should hang some balloons on the wire coat hanger aerial.

        1. Blimey Anne, that’s going back a bit (the aerial).

          My Rael-Brook Toplin shirts were hung on those (after they’d been ironed of course).

          P.S. Hope the weather holds.

  5. Morning again

    SIR – Leo Varadkar has claimed that the British people want to remain in the EU, but “their political system is not able to give them that choice” (report, October 4).

    Is this similar to the political system that asked the Irish people to vote in a referendum regarding the Lisbon Treaty and then subsequently told them that they had made the wrong decision?

    Mark Pascoe
    Porthleven, Cornwall

    1. The Teapot hasn’t learnt from the example of Obama during the 2016 referendum that British people do not like interference from foreign politicians.

  6. SIR – Surely the easiest way to have proved that “Nick” was fabricating evidence (report, October 4) was to interview Edward Heath’s protection officers.

    They would quickly have pointed out that the former prime minister was never involved in such sordid escapades.

    Bryan Law
    Shabbington, Buckinghamshire

    1. That there were and possibly still are police officers so lacking in all the senses required of their position in society is astonishing. That some of those officers should have escaped prosecution and gone on to lucrative employment is shameful.

      1. They have either retired on v. nice pensions, or been shuffled sideways into non-jobs paying £240,000 p.a.
        To call Blighty a banana republic is an insult to Panama. (Other countries producing edible plantains are available.)

    3. ‘Morning Epi, what I posted BTL in the DT:

      “ “Sir Richard points out that not every complainant is a victim and it is “inaccurate” to presuppose that they are.”

      Between 2013 & 2018 the head of the CPS, Allison Saunders, was quite happy to follow the mantra that when perusing violence against women that all ‘victims’ were always to be believed. It appears that the same tenet had been adopted by the Police Force leadership in cases of historical abuse (especially if it involved those from the ‘right’).

      The problem with promoting only those that satisfy a ‘woke’, politically correct or diversity agenda is that you do not get the best person for the job, you get someone who thinks and acts the same as everyone else so nothing gets challenged. Everyone has a common purpose.”

    4. The Met have now turned things on their head. The accuser is assumed toi be telling the truth and the accused is presumed to be guilty and has to prove their innocence

    5. I find it amazing that neither Field Marshall Lord Bramall, Leon Brittan Home Secretary, General Sir Hugh Beach or the heads of MI5 and MI6 could produce evidence of where they were on the nights in question.

        1. #MeToo. When I’m at home, there’s only MOH’s word for it. The dog is a Silent Witness 🙂

        2. The difference, Mr basset being that people such as a Field Marshal and the heads of MI5 and MI6 would certainly have appointment diaries, and certainly the PTB would want to know the physical whereabouts of the heads of MI5 and MI6, and for all we know they have personal bodyguards anyway.

  7. Britain was complacent about the far right. Now it’s out in force. Sat 5 Oct 2019.

    Oswald Mosley was banned from the BBC. His modern successors have no such problems finding a platform

    It’s impossible to imagine such a sustained and effective ban on a big far-right figure being imposed in Britain now. Many of our politicians and much of our media have stopped setting, let alone policing, any boundaries between mainstream conservatism and rightwing populism and extremism. The BBC seems reluctant to characterise Donald Trump as a racist. Nigel Farage, despite never having been elected as an MP, has been a panellist on BBC One’s Question Time 33 times. Tommy Robinson has been interviewed on BBC Two’s Newsnight. Meanwhile Boris Johnson, and many of his ministers, party members and newspaper allies, have adopted the boot-boy phrases and demagoguery of the far right. As the home secretary, Priti Patel, told a thrilled Conservative party conference this week: “To the criminals, I simply say this: we are coming after you.” A stronger law-and-order state, she said, “is what the people want”.

    This is just another attempt to demonise Right of Centre individuals as the Far-right, that mythical entity that has no Organisation or Blackshirts at its behest. That of course is the province of the Left with Antifa and Hate not Hope to serve its purposes for street thuggery. It is interesting to note how admiring the author is of fascist techniques like the repression of Free Speech and no-platforming and of course he fails to mention Mosley’s greatest failing, his anti-Semitism. Too close to home one imagines.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/05/britain-far-right-oswald-mosley-bbc-platform

    1. Always followed in the Grauniad by this plea.
      “p.s. Gizza yer money, racist scum.”

    2. When the anti-democrats in the HoC finally allow the people a say there is every chance that the following general election will degenerate into the most violent of modern times. The EU supporting thugs of the left will take to the streets to try and intimidate the electorate. The reaction of the powers of law and order will be key and interesting.

    3. “The BBC seems reluctant to characterize Donald Trump as a racist.”

      Not so Nagger Munch-Jetty!

      ‘Morning, Minty.

    4. ‘Morning Minty
      Without reading the piece I would lay a long bet it fails to mention Moseley served as a LABOUR MP just before founding the BUF

    6. It truly is tiresome to have thhe Guardian trot out these articles.

      They are all opinion, all attitude without any concept of objectivity. The writer has made a decision to paint themselves as a hero. They then look at people they disagree with and set about demonising them – without a shred of proof or validity.

      Their own bigotry, spite and venom poured on to a page without hinderance.

      However, this is what the Guardian readers love. It reinforces their own intolerant bigotry from a voice of authority. And so the circle continues of hatred and reinforcement. They are such small minds to have so little doubt.

      1. Th real concern is the far left. WE have hardly any group that could be in anyway described as far Right. The only ones I can think of are Britain First, EDL & the BNP, I am not sure Britain First is even still going and the EDL & BNP are all but extinct

      1. Two ducks go on their honeymoon and stay in a hotel.
        As they are about to make love, the male duck says, ”Oh, we haven’t got any condoms. I’ll ring down to room service.”
        He calls and asks for some condoms.
        The woman says, ”OK sir, would you like to put them on your bill?” ‘
        ‘What do you think I am, a bloody pervert?,” he answers.

          3. Watch it, she’ll cwy and cwy, as the little girl in the house next to mine constantly confirms. It’s so piercing…

  10. SIR – My 33-year-old son looked at me quizzically when I suggested that he remove his baseball cap on entering a restaurant.

    Have the rules changed?

    Kevin Wright
    Harlow, Essex

    (a) I blame the parents;
    (b) He lives in Essex – say no more.

    1. Personally, if my son chose to wear a baseball cap, I’d refuse to be seen anywhere near him.
      And if he wanted to wear one when visiting a restaurant, I’d be mulling where MB and I went wrong with our child rearing.

      2. One sees that even in Còte these days.

        That’s why I always have a window seat, so I can look outwards & not at some of the fellow diners.

      3. My halide brother always wears a baseball cap (then a woolly hat in winter), even when just popping out to the bin on a cloudy day. Having had treatment many years ago for a skin cancer on his scalp, he is paranoid about a further lesion. ‘Fair enough’ I used to think when he was still in his 40s – though other head wear is available for his more mature age now. My biggest issue though is that when joining us for Sunday lunch at our local pub, he puts the wretched thing on the table – peasant!

    3. We had a brat sit all the way through our company doo wearing a baseball hat. They are just not taught how uncouth it is.

      1. They do not know the meaning of the word uncouth. They think they are being ‘cool’ and that we are out-of-touch old fogies.

  11. Good morning from a Saxon Queen with long bow and cleaned are.

    I see that Prince Harry is still behaving like a moron .

    2. ‘Morning, Ethel. I am so pleased to hear that your are is clean, although this qualifies an an information overload.

      2. Morning Hugh, I am obviously cleaned from the
        stains of dark ages warfare as is the axe 🙂

    3. ‘Morning, Ethel.

      As your axe is cleaned, perhaps you should give him a good paddling with it.

      1. I meant the axe is cleaned but the Samsung is playing up,
        I have the new laptop set up for use but haven’t had the
        courage to actually use it yet, I shall tomorrow after brunch.

        1. Youtube has videos on how to tame Samsungs. Our drier needs frequent resets – yt solved it for us!

  12. Police given stop and search powers after multiple stabbings in Clacton

    How it has changed. Crime used to be close to non existent there

    The section 60 authority powers will be authorised in Clacton town centre from 6pm this evening, October 4 until 6pm on October 5, following reports that two people had been stabbed within the town centre.

    The two incidents are believed to have been planned assaults within “pre-existing criminal groups”.

    The first incident saw a woman in her 40s was approached by three men at an address on Edith Road and stabbed with a knife on Wednesday, October 2.
    She was taken to hospital and treated for injuries which were not life-threatening or life-changing.

    The following day between 6.30pm and 7.30pm a man, aged in his 40s, was approached whilst in a van on Wellesley Road and stabbed multiple times.

    1. “The section 60 authority powers will be authorised in Clacton town
      centre from 6pm this evening, October 4 until 6pm on October 5…”

      Why is this not a countrywide authority, who authorises and removes and why?

      2. It requires the authority of a senior officer. Where a S60 authority is urgently required, an officer of the rank of Inspector or higher will contact the on-call Assistant Chief Constable (ACC) or higher, for immediate authority (verbal and confirmed in writing ASAP). Only in wholly exceptional circumstances and where the ACC or higher officer cannot be immediately contacted should an ‘Inspectors’ urgent authority be used.

  13. Will any of the police and politicians involved face justice for the Carl Beech scandal?
    CHARLES MOORE – 4 OCTOBER 2019 • 9:30PM

    Labour’s Tom Watson ‘has done wide damage’

    Nick (Carl Beech) was pronounced a “credible and true” witness by a Metropolitan Police Officer in December 2014, when he claimed he had suffered, as a boy, from appalling acts of sexual and violent abuse at the hands of powerful men. Now Beech is serving 18 years for perverting the course of justice, fraud and possession of indecent images.

    We can all make mistakes, of course; but now that the Met have lost their battle to prevent Sir Richard Henriques’s devastating report being published virtually in full, we can at last fully understand that the words “credible and true” were not the sloppy usage of one middle-ranking officer. They were part of a policy.

    Sir Richard shows that the senior officer in charge, Deputy Assistant Commissioner Steve Rodhouse, had, with colleagues, agreed that this line would be given to the media once Nick’s astonishing accusations had been made public. When DAC Rodhouse settled on this policy, he had not even met the witness. Nor had he read Beech’s police interviews and his blogs. He therefore could not compare their obvious inconsistencies.

    Nick had said, for example, that the crimes committed against him had caused him to bleed in his underpants, that his bones were repeatedly broken, his feet stabbed and burned and his extremities electrocuted. He also claimed that senior soldiers celebrated Remembrance Day by pinning poppies into his bare flesh. This was inconsistent, says Sir Richard, with the evidence given to Wiltshire Police by Nick’s mother. No one took any trouble to see if Nick’s body bore any scars. (It doesn’t, it later emerged.)

    The fantasy grew in the telling, as Nick found that his claims excited police and Labour politicians. As Sir Richard drily puts it: “The likelihood of a former prime minister, a future home secretary, former heads of MI5 and MI6, a serving field marshal, a future field marshal, a retired general, a Labour MP, a Conservative MP and a disc jockey conspiring together to commit rape and, in some cases, child murder, is again highly implausible.”

    This grand conspiracy seems to have begun in Nick’s mind once the disc jockey referred to – Jimmy Savile – was first exposed for genuine sex crimes against children in 2012. Only later did Savile start featuring in Nick’s “memories” of his abuse. Soon, in a diabolical version of Consequences, Savile was joined by Army officers, figures from the world of John Le Carré, Sir Edward Heath, Lord Brittan, and so on. Inevitably, a bishop also got a walk-on part, and “diplomatic cars” spiced up Nick’s tale.

    Yet the Met were so set on their idea of credibility and truth that they misled a district judge in order to procure unlawful warrants to search the houses of some of Beech’s imagined abusers and torturers – Field Marshal Lord Bramall, the former MP Harvey Proctor and Lord Brittan (the last being recently dead, so that the search was endured by his widow Diana).

    An element in this was naive ignorance. If any police officer had made any inquiry into the world of Tory politics, he would have discovered within 15 minutes that the Carlton Club is a Conservative organisation, so Lord Janner, a Labour peer, would never have gone there, as Nick claimed he had, to join senior Tories for a bit of child rape. Similarly, such a police officer would have quickly learnt that Mr Proctor, an ardent Powellite, would never have found himself in a Dolphin Square flat with the much more senior and Left-wing Sir Edward Heath, let alone to debate with him whether to cut off a boy’s genitals. No due diligence was done, no common sense applied.

    As Sir Richard shows through clear quotation, the police had bought in to the idea that any “victim” must be believed automatically simply on the basis of the claim he makes. In other words, they rejected the presumption of innocence, the central doctrine of our criminal law.

    But before blame falls on the police alone, Sir Richard sensibly gives a wider context. Large elements of the media – including the now-defunct “news agency” Exaro – many politicians and some important lawyers were pushing the same doctrine. For example, the then director of public prosecutions, Keir Starmer – now better known as the most anti-Brexit of the Labour front bench – announced in 2013 that “if the yardstick traditionally used by prosecutors for evaluating the credibility of a victim in other cases were used without adaptation in cases of sexual exploitation, the outcome would potentially be a category of vulnerable victims left unprotected by the criminal law”.

    Such an approach was magnified and weaponised by the Labour MP Tom Watson, who, in 2012, told Parliament of “clear intelligence” of a Westminster paedophile network running to No 10 itself. Partly on the strength of his crusading zeal, he became deputy leader of his party in 2015. Perhaps it thought he had proved the truth of the long-standing Leftist fantasy that all Tories are really paedophiles.

    When it turned out that Mr Watson’s claims were largely based on what Nick had told him, that he prompted Nick and used what he said to strike fear into the Met, his righteous edifice crumbled. When Lord Brittan died, Mr Watson quoted an anonymous source (Nick, actually) that Brittan had been “as close to evil as any human being can get”. This was designed to influence the work of Operation Midland in investigating Nick’s claims. The words he chose “grossly insulted” the memory of Lord Brittan, says Sir Richard.

    Diana Brittantold me yesterday that Mr Watson did what he did “entirely for himself”. He was “abusing his status as an MP”. Thanks to the Henriques report, we can see how he orchestrated a witch-hunt. He even helped fan the revival of a false accusation against Brittan of raping a woman in 1967.

    As, in modern Labour terms, a relative moderate, Mr Watson has been strong in attacking the anti-Semitism of the hard Left of his party. He does not see that anti-Semitism resembles what he has been up to in another sphere: it looks for a conspiracy among the powerful and will take anything it can find as “evidence” to prove its case.

    The combination of Beech and Mr Watson has done wide damage. The very structure of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA), set up in a panic by the then home secretary, Theresa May, was originally based on the idea that “well-founded” accusations would be investigated. It is not a criminal court, so this remit made it a kangaroo one, conflicting with its wider (reasonable) purpose of investigating institutional failings over child abuse. To this day, IICSA has an extraordinary “strand” looking into the case against the late Lord Janner, although all legal cases against him have collapsed.

    I am struck by the remark of Harvey Proctor that, in this horror story, the police behaved like politicians, grandstanding to show off their virtue, and the politicians, mainly Mr Watson, behaved like the police, trying to turn detective. The result was horribly unjust. The injustice is not yet righted.

    We already know that on Monday the report of the Independent Office of Police Conduct will refuse to discipline the officers involved. And there seems every chance that Tom Watson will stay at the top of the political trade he has soiled.

    *************************************************************************************

    BTL:

    Carpe Jugulum 4 Oct 2019 10:50PM

    I was a police officer for thirty years and a detective for twenty-five of those.

    The foundations of this debacle were laid in the 1980s with the philosophy of ‘management’ introduced into policing.

    At one time CID had it’s own career structure. You could not be a senior detective without many years of experience as a Detective Constable and Detective Sergeant.

    Then, along came ‘management’. Officers now climbed a promotion ladder flitting from post to post gaining experience in ‘management’ without any experience of the actual post.

    The Stephen Lawrence Inquiry should have sounded a warning when a senior ‘detective’ was forced to admit he did not know his powers of arrest!

    But no, we then progress to the abject stupidity of another senior officer leading a criminal enquiry labelling a witness as ‘credible and true’! NO real detective would EVER make such a claim. Any experienced detective knows that people lie and some people are very good at it.

    We don’t need another inquiry, we need detectives at all levels who are actually detectives.

    1. James O’Brian managed to get himself caught up in it as ll. He could not resist taking the Mets approach and piled in just as Tom Watson did

    2. Dont be silly. What about the BBC as well who were also heavily involved in it as was Clown Cressida

      Would you seriously blie the pierce below. The Met did

      Presented with a similar lunatic paedophile ring scenario to the one I’ve just outlined above, they decided to ‘believe the victim’ by default and squander £2.5 million investigating — or rather not investigating — allegations so ridiculous that even an amoeba with learning difficulties would laugh them out of court.

      The protagonists in this high level Paedo Ring of Doom scenario according to the complainant — a chap named Carl Beech — included the following: Field Marshal Lord Bramall, a former head of the Army who was wounded on D-Day; Harvey Proctor, a mild-mannered, gay former MP; Paul Gambaccini, a DJ; Leon Brittan, a former Home Secretary; Edward Heath, formerly a Prime Minister; and the former heads of MI5 and MI6.

      Together, apparently, this cabal had met to torture and sexually abuse Carl on a regular basis. On one occasion, they presented Carl and three other boys with a terrible dilemma: ‘We were told that one of us was going to die and we had to decide which one.’ They then – allegedly – beat one of the other boys to death. Proctor, so Beech told police, was the most sadistic. On another occasion he tried to chop off Beech’s testicles with a pair of scissors, only to be dissuaded by former Prime Minister Ted Heath.

    3. Utterly unforgivable behaviour by the powers involved, destroying the lives and reputations of decent men. Meanwhile, the price, and politicians, turned a blind eye to the very real abuse of scores of vulnerable girls by disgusting slammers.

  15. An elderly lawyer writes. Brash Harry may come to regret that he got involved in the courts.

      1. Seriously, he is a thick young, spoilt man who is used to calling the shots.

        Once you start on litigation, you can’t just stop when it suits you or when you are bored.

        1. Surely this Megan woman should be suing the person who leaked the letter to the newspaper? or was it herself?

  16. Is the Met fit for Purpose?

    I my view the Met is no longer fit for purpose. IT has gone from being one of the best police forces in the world to one of the worst and in quite a short time

    The real problem in my view is in the Leadership. They are not fit to lead it and quite why are the Met involving the BBC in this major crime investigations ?

    Look at the nonsense we have had fro the Met with Climate Change protesters who were breaking the law. The Met just stood dally by and almost encouraged them. Then we get them painting themselves and their cars in LGBT colours

    THe whole senior management at the Met need to be sacked and replaced.

    1. Bill, you missed the bit in the news that the ER fire engine was not road taxed.

      I assume that this means whatever insurance they had was void.

      …Yet the Met. did nothing!

    1. Councillors have to declare the slightest smidgeon of interest and withdraw from matters under discussion.
      Not so higher up the scale, it would seem.

      2. Not in my experience. They just use catspaws or don’t declare them, holding off the affiliation until it suits them.

    3. Does he know anything about banking at all?

      Anything? Or, as we all know, is he installed to use his influence to promote favourable legislation?

      This country stinks. Corruption, nepotism, back handers, brown envelopes, greed. Major should be jailed. This sort of activity needs to be crushed – ideally with the people carrying it out. They’re all bent.

      1. Morning W,
        You cannot blame them when them & their types are encouraged via the polling booth to carry on regardless and receive 75K plus exs plus fiddles for creating our troubles.
        The real culprits are the best of the worst / nose holding / tactical voting / three monkey brigade.
        The must keep in / keep out, party first & foremost merchants.

      1. Well, more one of those little thingies that you glue to the side of your head.
        I’ll probably need a fire hose to wash the ‘product’ out of my hair.

      1. Actually … that sounds feasible.
        (Currently waiting for chum to collect Spartie; I daren’t put on decent tights until he’s gone for the day.)

  19. Only Monday at Westminster and they dont turn up until about 2pm then parliament is prorogued

  20. Queens Speech to include that legislation will be put before the commons to repeal the Benn Legislation

      1. Metropolitan Police, not Noo York Opera.
        Bill J is giving an example of their naivety. (New spelling for ‘stupidity’.)

  22. The American teacher said, “Let’s begin by
    reviewing some American history.

    Who said ‘Give me Liberty , or give me
    Death’?”

    She saw a sea of blank faces, except for Little
    Hodaiki a bright foreign exchange student
    from Japan , who had his hand up: ‘Patrick Henry, 1775’, he said.

    ‘Very good!’ Who said, ‘Government of the People, by the People, for the People,
    shall not perish from the Earth?’

    Again, no response except from Little Hodaiki:
    ‘Abraham Lincoln, 1863’.

    ‘Excellent!’ said the teacher continuing, ‘let’s
    try one a bit more difficult…Who said, ‘Ask not what your country
    can do for you, but what you can do for your country?’

    Once again, Hodaiki’s was the only hand in the
    air and he said: ‘John F. Kennedy, 1961’.

    The teacher snapped at the class, ‘Class, you
    should be ashamed of yourselves, Little
    Hodaiki isn’t from this country and he knows more about our history than you do.’

    She heard a loud whisper: ‘F . . . k the Japs,’
    ‘Who said that? I want to know right now!’ she
    angrily demanded.

    Little Hodaiki put his hand up, ‘General
    MacArthur, 1945.’

    At that point, a student in the back said, ‘I’m
    gonna puke.’

    The teacher glared around and asks, ‘All right!
    Now who said that!?’

    Again, Little Hodaiki said, ‘George Bush to the
    Japanese Prime Minister, 1991.’

    Now furious, another student yelled, ‘Oh yeah?
    Suck this!’

    Little Hodaiki jumped out of his chair waving
    his hand and shouted to the teacher, ‘Bill
    Clinton to Monica Lewinsky 1997!’

    Now with almost mob hysteria someone said, ‘You
    little shit. If you say anything else, I’ll kill you.’

    Little Hodaiki frantically yelled at the top of
    his voice, “Michael Jackson to the
    child witness testifying against him, 2004.’

    The teacher fainted.

    As the class gathered around the teacher on the
    floor, someone said, “Oh shït, we’re
    fücked!”

    Little Hodaiki said quietly, “Bob Diamond,
    Barclays Bank, 2012.”

  23. Fixed Term Parliament Act

    Labour and the Lib-Dems appear to be trying to claim that in the event of a No confidence vote being lost they have 14 days to form a government . That though is not what the legislation says and I cannot see how it can be interpreted in that way

    Early parliamentary general elections
    (1)
    An early parliamentary general election is to take place if—
    (a)
    the House of Commons passes a motion in the form set out in subsection (2), and
    (b)
    if the motion is passed on a division, the number of members who vote in favour of the motion is a number equal to or greater than two thirds of the number of seats in the House (including vacant seats).
    (2)
    The form of motion for the purposes of subsection (1)(a) is—
    “That there shall be an early parliamentary general election.”
    (3)
    An early parliamentary general election is also to take place if—
    (a)
    the House of Commons passes a motion in the form set out in subsection (4), and
    (b)
    the period of 14 days after the day on which that motion is passed ends without the House passing a motion in the form set out in subsection (5).
    (4)
    The form of motion for the purposes of subsection (3)(a) is—
    “That this House has no confidence in Her Majesty’s Government.”
    (5)
    The form of motion for the purposes of subsection (3)(b) is—
    “That this House has confidence in Her Majesty’s Government.”
    (6)
    Subsection (7) applies for the purposes of the Timetable in rule 1 in Schedule 1 to the Representation of the People Act 1983.
    (7)
    If a parliamentary general election is to take place as provided for by subsection (1) or (3), the polling day for the election is to be the day appointed by Her Majesty by proclamation on the recommendation of the Prime Minister (and, accordingly, the appointed day replaces the day which would otherwise have been the polling day for the next election determined under section 1).

  25. Daily Brexit Betrayal

    “Sources” telling the MSM to look out

    for other “sources” next week: that’s now an official Brexit policy?

    Secret Brexit negotiating items ‘revealed’ in ‘official leaks’? Blimey …

    Meanwhile, what are our dear ‘friends and allies’ in the EU doing? Nothing, that’s what – or rather, nothing in regard to the Johnson proposal:

    “Discussions between

    the UK and European Union will not take place this weekend as

    anticipated as Brussels dealt a heavy blow to Boris Johnson’s new Brexit

    proposals. […] A spokesman said discussions between the two sides would

    not take place this weekend and instead the UK would be given ‘another

    opportunity to present its proposals in detail’ on Monday. ‘Michel

    Barnier debriefed COREPER (The Permanent Representatives Committee)

    yesterday, where member states agreed that the UK proposals do not

    provide a basis for concluding an agreement,’ the spokesman added.” (link)

    It would seem that the EU ‘diplomats’ are simply accepting M Barnier’s verdict that there’s nothing to talk about – and anyway, it’s the weekend, n’est-çe pas? Waiting

    a few more days is neither here nor there. Patience is a virtue, and

    according to an old Russian proverb, ‘when God made Time, he made lots

    of it’ … What a way to negotiate with a deadline looming.

    https://independencedaily.co.uk/your-daily-brexit-betrayal-saturday-5th-november-2019/

      2. Or an ‘influencer’, which seems to be the occupation of those with pumped up lips and buttocks.

      4. ‘Morning, Mags – about to be posted to Ar$ebook in an attempt to make the more vapid have a brain aneurism, that might just wake ’em up.

      5. What those promoting shutting down the economy and trying to whinge about climate change or communism always forget is that it is only markets and capital that allows people to have enough money spare to spend on entertainment and indulge themselves in getting paid to run around and throw things.

  28. Musing on the Ginge and Cringe show attack on the press I wonder if this is a pre-emptive strike to stop something really smelly coming out??

  30. I commend the whole article,as always follow the money

    “The Real Agenda is Economic

    The links between the world’s largest financial groups, central banks

    and global corporations to the current push for a radical climate

    strategy to abandon the fossil fuel economy in favor of a vague,

    unexplained Green economy, it seems, is less about genuine concern to

    make our planet a clean and healthy environment to live.

    Rather it is an agenda, intimately tied to the UN Agenda 2030 for

    “sustainable” economy, and to developing literally trillions of dollars

    in new wealth for the global banks and financial giants who constitute

    the real powers that be.

    In February 2019 following a speech to the EU Commission in Brussels

    by Greta Thunberg, then-EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker,

    after gallantly kissing Greta’s hand, appeared to be moved to real

    action. He told Greta and the press that the EU should spend hundreds of

    billions of euros combating climate change during the next 10 years.

    Juncker proposed that between 2021 to 2027, “every fourth euro spent within the EU budget go toward action to mitigate climate change.”

    https://off-guardian.org/2019/10/03/climate-and-the-money-trail/

    2. Wouldn’t it be more sensible, to, you know, not take the money out the economies of Italy, Greece and Spain and perhaps have them recover economically and choose their own future rather than have an unaccountable dictatorship rob them and then give the money to a pointless cause.

    1. He will have gone in 27 days. Can we not find some way to take him to court for malfeasance in public office?

  33. Origin of the term Flea Market.

    It has nothing at all to do with fleas but is actually derived from the Dutch word vlie which is pronounced flee,

  36. No-deal Brexit: NI guide dogs face sea trip to enter Ireland

    Another bit of BBC Spin

    In reality nothing would change as the UK would still mt all the requirements

    Assistance dog users in Northern Ireland could face a trip across the Irish Sea to bring their animals into the Republic of Ireland in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

    Stormont’s Department for Agriculture, Environment, and Rural Affairs (DAERA) has said pets would have to enter the Republic through approved entry points.

    The ports at Cork and Rosslare are the only approved sea points of entry.

    Dublin Airport is also an approved point of entry.

    It means a journey from Londonderry to Donegal – normally a short drive – could involve taking a sea crossing to England or Scotland, driving to Wales, going through the official point of entry in County Wexford and then driving north to Donegal.

    “As an unlisted third country, there would be a requirement for pet animals including assistance dogs to enter the EU through a travellers’ point of entry,” said DAERA.

    What is going to change?

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal on 31 October, the UK will become what the EU considers an “unlisted third country”.

    The EU does not consider all non-members to be unlisted but non-EU countries must apply to be listed, judged on veterinary and administrative systems and number of rabies incidences.

    2. I dont even agree with that they record the allegation and accept it but dont decide it is true or untrue at that stage. The investigation will conclude whether it is belied to be true or false

  38. I rather like this:

    Dexy

    They love their propaganda,
    The Lie so fucking Big,
    But we did this Referendum,
    Which they failed to fully rig,
    And though they’d hit rock bottom,
    They couldn’t cease to dig.
    Now they’re practising their dance moves
    For the old time Tyburn jig.

    4 ReplyView in discussion

    https://going-postal.com/2019/10/crossword-no-86/

  39. So, © TV tart, England scraped home. Not a pretty match. And I doubt that the ABs will be shaking in their shoes.

  40. Well, I hope others have had a better week than I have!
    Bought £85 worth of T&G on Tuesday intending to get two thirds of the shed clad with it on Wednesday.
    Then, in the small hours of Wednesday morning, I was woken up with some rather nasty chest pains and, eventually, did a treble 9.

    Consequently I am now kicking my heels being TOTALLY bored stiff in Chesterfield Royal Hospital whilst waiting to go to Sheffield for an angiogram.
    Physically I feel as fit as ever and, whilst trying not to get in the way of the staff, I have been relieving the boredom by doing a little bit of singing for the other patients which goes down very well with them and the staff!

    The DT brought my laptop in yesterday and there is internet access of sorts for patients, but VERY restricted. No Radio 3 over the internet, nor Youtube or Disqus pictures so I can’t even look as the videos people are putting up!
    The system ever blocks The Guardian website for some reason but allows the Telegraph!

    Because I’m capable of looking after myself, they’ve bunged me into a side room out of the way.
    I’m particularly spitting feathers about the lost work on the shed as the weather would have allowed me to not only get the cladding I’d planned on, but allowed me to do a bit of concreting I need to do for one of the walls I’m building to partially terrace the bit of hillside that passes its self of as my “garden”.

    Still, the staff here are lovely and the DT has brought me a little radio to listen to because the hospital system TV set I have in my room has a knackered touchscreeen and the company operating the system have not yet managed to squirt a new screen down the fibreoptics.

    T’Lad & Dr. Daughter should be visiting today, not sure about the SaH and Student Son (Formerly known as SaH The Elder who has now started a course in Derby University.

    Still, I will, God & Doctor willing, be out on Tuesday, by which time I expect the weather will have turned wet & nasty again!!

    3. Good luck Robert.

      I suggest you cut out some of those “full English breakfasts”. Porridge is better. Really.

      2. Stopped regular full breakfasts, except for special occasions, the best part of 2 years ago!

      3. ‘e won” ge’ no full English brekfust in ‘orspi’ul.

        Min’ju, ver scrambulled eggs in ‘inchin’brook woz fab.

    4. Thanks for letting us know, I wondered where you had got to.

      That was a shock for you .. twinges that happened at home more preferable rather than on the roof or some long trek you enjoy taking ..

      Too much nonsense in the media these days .. so just chill out for a while and don’t worry !

      Enjoy the rest Bob , and best of luck .

    5. Good luck Bob, I had a similar experience a couple of months back that resulted in a stent being installed via my wrist. Excellent treatment and result, now fully fighting fit – or as fully as I ever will be. 😂

    6. Bloody hell, Bob! That’s not fun
      :-(( Glad you’re still posting! Get properly fit soon, y’hear?

    7. When I was in Chesterfield General in the early 50s for a small childhood emergency, they used a frame with cotton wadding over my nose and dripped ether on to it. I don’t think gas had got that far back then.

    10. So sorry to hear that, BoB. Get better and give ’em heck! – They’ll have you out of there in no time!

  41. Extinction Rebellion accused of racism………….

    HAHAHAHAHAHA

    “Live from the royal courts of justice,” Extinction Rebellion

    London wrote. “It has been announced that all protesters arrested

    during the April rebellion will be prosecuted. We are asking the police

    and legal system to concentrate on issues such as knife crime, and not

    non-violent protesters who are trying to save our planet.”

    For those with ears tuned to hear it, the dogwhistle sounded clear. Stop bothering us non-violent protesters; focus instead on those frightening inner-city neighbourhoods, where black children carry knives.

    “It was feeding into a racist narrative,” says Guppi Bola,

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/04/extinction-rebellion-race-climate-crisis-inequality?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet
    Victimhood,get your victimhood here,sale now on

    1. They can mass charge the ER protesters to speed things up. Lets say a £500 fine each plus court costs and a ban from Central London unless prior approved by the police

    2. So translated it means don’t prosecute us but prosecute others. They should be prosecuted they broke the law

      Many probably don’t realise the impact a criminal record can have on them. They may just see it as a small fine but it can affect their employment prospects and it can affect their credit rating. If they want to borrow money or take out credit even for a mobile phone it will make it more difficult and will cost them more. It will also affect them should they want a mortgage

      1. What employment prospects? Any decent employer won’t touch them – any employer that would is likely to be highly suspicious.

    3. These protests are violent. They cause enormous direct damage to property and vast indirect image to the economy at large and the lives and earnings of thousands of individuals.

  42. While we are divided. Tom Arms. 4 October 2019.

    A solid domestic base is a prerequisite to an effective foreign policy. The only way that America—and junior partner Britain—can re-establish their pre-eminence in world affairs is by ending the divisions in their country. In America that is best done by legally removing Donald Trump from office as soon as possible. In Britain it should be achieved by ending the national pursuit of unicorns and resuming the country’s rightful place in Europe.

    Morning everyone. I’m afraid that this procedure would not end the divisions at all. Such a course would in fact increase them! The people who elected Trump and those in the UK who voted for Brexit would see such moves as illegitimate and the overturning of Democracy. It could be done of course but it would poison the politics of both countries to such an extent that rational government would actually diminish rather than augment. There is probably only one way out of the present impasse without destroying the political systems in both countries and that is for Brexit to happen and Trump to stand for office again and be defeated at the polls. This is probably too much to hope for now. Politics like Time, can never run backwards and so we are all embarked on a journey that has no single destination but only a choice of disasters.

    http://www.thewhatandthewhy.com/while-we-are-divided/

    1. Good morning all, Wot I Writted:-

      I’ve never heard of Tom Arms before, but from reading this I presume he is a Globalist shill pushing the Frankfurt School agenda of Cultural Marxism and using Putin as a bogeyman to do so.
      At the fall of the USSR both NATO and the EU, instead of offering the hand of conciliatory friendship, made the gross error of ramming their influence into what had been traditional Russian spheres of influence, effectively Poking The Bear With A Sharp Stick, so is it any surprise that Russia distrusts the West?

      Throw in the West’s obsession of forcing “Democracy” onto countries that do not have the cultural structure to cope with such a concept, resulting in the debacles we have seen throughout the Middle East, and it seems to me that the Western Glob alists like Mr. Arms should wind their necks in and learn to keep their noses out of other people’s affairs.

      1. ‘Morning, BoB. Given the past three and a half years, we are certainly in no position to lecture others on democracy!

    2. Ending the division? Removing Trump? Rightful place in Europe?

      Has democracy completely passed these fascists by? Do they not understand that we’re sick of them and we want their poisonous lot gone?

  43. Referring to the Lithuanian supertrawler (sorry some Strong Language):

    Dexy an hour ago

    Enjoy yourselves, you eurocunts.
    It’s later than you think.
    We’ll end your fucking thievery.
    You won’t have time to blink.
    That hulking great monstrosity
    We’ll very gladly sink,
    And your filthy frenchie pirates
    Can drown there in the drink.

    10 ReplyView in discussion

    https://going-postal.com/2019/10/crossword-no-86/

      1. Wo’cha Mi’e.

        They’ve all gone back to their own countries to scoop up the foreign aid billions & Mercedes cars.

        1. Why not go the whole hog and call himself am imbecile – it would be novel for a politician to speak the truth….

      4. I think that they all return to darker parts of the world to look after Daddy’s ‘businesses’.

      1. Perhaps we could buy a big place and create a new country for whites? A chunk of Argentina perhaps?

    5. Oi Justin Webb, whoever you are

      Have you forgot forgotten us WASPs still have some ffff……ing Roits, in saying how our country is run

  45. In the case of DR.David Mackereth the DWP panel found that the Doc was
    guilty in regards to his lack of belief in transgenderism and that is according to the DWP “incompatible with human dignity”.
    Do the members of the DWP realise that they are going against the top panel beater ?

    1. There is a fatal flaw with the LGBT argument with this

      They claim that people are born Gay and cannot change yet at the same time they claim people can be born male but change to female. Those two things are mutually inconsistent and both cannot be true

      1. They rely on some twaddle about brain zones, Bill. The claim is that they have a female brain in a male body.

        In reality the human brain is not hard wired and can learn new behaviours. (I checked the latter with an Oxford psychology professor met at a Wigmore Hall reception 😀)

      2. They don’t care about inconsistency.
        They’d just claim that transgender people are born in the wrong body, as if whatever it is that makes a person is completely separate from their bodies…presumably floating around the ether until the moment of birth, hence them also being ok with late-term abortions…

    2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s nest was an excellent film, but they got him in the end. I sometime feel that we are living in that asylum.

      3. Yes, but they didn’t get the Red Indian…

        ECT destroyed my mother’s life and our family too. Medics need taking down a peg or seventeen.

        1. A locum medic at the centre my mother was being held in, after she was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s, was threatening to use ECT to “cure” her depression.
          My sister and I made very strong objections, not least of which was that its use to “cure” depression in dementia patients was clinically unproven, and had, as far as I could find out, only been tried on a tiny number of patients.
          Luckily the medic left before it went any further, and his permanent replacement dismissed any suggestion of using ECT out of hand.

      1. Ims,
        I do agree with the good doctor on going forward with an appeal.
        One of JPs points is saying invisibility is a good stance to take.

    1. I suspect it is doubtful that Benns law is legal. It tell Boris that he should accept almost any offer the EU makes so they could say you can have an extension to the end of January but the price is £30B and Boris is required by the Benn legislation to accept it

      1. It’s not the EU making the offer. It’s us making the offer, and them to agree to (accept ) it.

          2. It is more an extension he has to ask for and they could attach conditions to that so he could sign up and be bound to something total unacceptable and then there is the issue of UK or EU law taking precedence

            The law at present is we leave on the 31 October under article 50 and we cannot change that only the EU can but I believe it also needs our consent to change it so it probably needs to be enact in to EU law and we then need to enact it into UK law they could potentially run out of time
            There are also several potential loop holes in the legislation

            What does the EU Withdrawal (No.2) Act – the Benn Act – say?

            The aim of the EU Withdrawal (No.2) Act is to require the prime minister to ask the EU for an extension to the Article 50 negotiating period, to avoid a no-deal Brexit on 31 October.
            To do this the bill says:
            If MPs haven’t approved a deal in a meaningful vote, or approved leaving the EU without a deal by 19 October, then the prime minister must send a letter (specifically worded in the Act) to the president of the European Council which seeks an extension to Article 50 until 31 January 2020. If the EU agrees to the date, then the prime minister should also agree.
            If the EU proposes an alternative date, then the prime minister should agree to it, unless MPs do not vote for a motion – within two days – which approves the date suggested by the EU.
            The Act does not stop the prime minister from agreeing an extension to Article 50 himself.
            If an extension is agreed, then the Act requires the secretary of state for exiting the EU to publish a report on progress made on negotiations by 30 November 2019. MPs would then have five days to vote on an amendable motion to approve the report. If MPs don’t pass the motion approving the report – or the motion is amended – the secretary of state is required to publish a further report by 10 January 2020.
            The Act requires the secretary of state to publish further reports every 28 calendar days from 7 February 2020 until the UK reaches a deal with the EU – or the House of Commons decides it doesn’t need to.
            The Act amends the EU Withdrawal Act 2018 to say that ministers “must” amend the date of exit by statutory instrument, rather than “may” amend the date of exit.

          3. God help us!
            This is a recipe for an endless stew of babbling and argument in the Commons. No possible outcome but Remain.

          7. He has to ask for an extension to the end of January 2020. The Lisbon Treaty kicks in on 1st January. Convenient, no?

    1. She is a vile interviewer but par for the course on the MSM. Interrupting rudely. Put in her place by a very courteous gentleman. Delighted he didn’t let her get away with it.

    2. What an absolute (and I detest using this expression) cow she is. How wonderful that he kept his temper and spoke calmly and quietly. If only the U.K. were the same.

    3. At one point near the end Maitlis has a look of sheer hatred in her eyes. If looks could kill…..

    4. Nigel Farage was on R4’s ‘Any Questions’ last night. I listened to a few minutes before turning off. Farage wasn’t able to finish his answer to the first question (BJ and ‘the deal’) because the odious Jeanette Winterson interrupted continuously.

      What is the point of any of of these discussions if the viewer or listener is unable to hear? And yes, the worst offenders are by far from the Left.

        1. Quite. They can simply say that they are not prepared to start answering questions which are simply talked over. That they have an answer but are not going to waste time unless the interviewer gives them the modicum of good manners to let them finish.

    5. She just can’t help interrupting – that’s not good interviewing – it is insulting!

    6. Give that man a Nobel prize. Take that insane woman and force her to hike in Morrocco in a bikini.

  49. ‘Morning, Peeps.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/10/04/delingpole-britains-politically-correct-police-is-an-embarrassing-joke/

    Dellers on the Henriques Report – sickening incompetence and crass stupidity on the grandest of scales, for whom no one has paid any kind of price – except of course their unfortunate victims on this occasion. No wonder our police farces are regarded as some kind of sick joke. What does it take for some realistic punishments to ensue? The Home Secretary has her work cut out, but she must not shy away from draining the swamp. Let us hope that in her case integrity and common sense have not deserted her too at such a critical time.

    1. I wonder if the fact that Priti is female, ethnic and has a good back story will stop the MSM from tearing her apart?
      Somehow, I suspect being a Conservative nullifies all the plus points.

      1. It will present some challenges for them. It makes taking the racist xenophobic approach somewhat difficult

      2. Even being just mildly right of centre spells doom to all but the most determined of individuals.

        ‘Morning, Annie.

        1. Hang on. Do you mean a bit to the right of the Hard Left?

          As being ‘right wing’ isn’t actually a thing. It’s called being normal.

        1. I’ll bet she’s still here. Just checked her twitter and she posted just 19 hours ago – of course they probably have t’internet in Bongo-Bongo Land but I doubt she’s tw@tting from there.

          ‘Morning, Citroen.

    2. Gross in competence i normally a sackable offence but in the Met you get promoted for it

  50. Brexiteer turn tables on Remainers with Surrender Act legal challenge – ‘We have a case!’

    TORY MP Daniel Kawczynski has confirmed he has met with barristers with a view to challenging the so-called Benn Act aimed at preventing a no-deal Brexit.

    : “Following personal meeting with Barristers today I have shared written legal advice on loopholes in ‘Surrender Act’ with colleagues. “Barristers believe we have case to take to Courts and encouraging me to pursue.

    1. Yes, and how long will the Courts take to decide? Will we have to postpone leaving on October 31 for a court decision? I wouldn’t lay money on a good` outcome, especially if Uncle G is going to pay for an appeal as well.

    2. Already it’s happening. Politics by law judgement, not by elected politicians.
      Where does all this end?

    3. That’ll work…until it goes to the Supreme Court, then whatever the legality, or opinion given by any other court in the land, they’ll find for the Remainers…

  51. Number 10 fury as Baroness Hale caught ‘bragging’ about victory over Boris Johnson

    If this is true it indicate that she could not be seen as impartial and could lead to an appeal

      2. How about the ECJ – that would be interesting (although they are unlikely to be any less biased)?

      1. Sigh. They are all in it together. Each and everyone of them appear to have their hands in George’s pocket.

    1. This does not matter. Not a jot. After Brexit is stopped it will be water under the bridge. We will be in thrall to the EU and subservient to the EU courts.
      No EU court will ever overturn this decision of the Supreme Court.

      1. Afternoon HP,
        Only if you are a current lab/lib/con mass uncontrolled immigration / mass paedophilia umbrella / mass knifing / acid
        tosser, pro eu follower, member,voter of the coalition party.

        There will always remain a hard core of 100 % patriotism to be found in Newton Abbot as there has been for the last 27 plus years.

        1. As much as I admire your optimism I can’t see that happening in my lifetime. I sincerely hope I’m wrong and no I don’t vote lib/lab/con.

    2. No more than plain old common sense is required to recognise that the
      Mickey Mouse judgements being made should have zero legitimacy in our
      so called Democracy .. alas?!!

    1. Described as a Stagecoach Gold Service. The only one I can find runs between Plymouth and Paignton

      4 Air Ambulance are at the scene which is described as serious. THe road is closed in both directions

  56. BBC Radio 4 reporting that Boris is trying to get a deal with Hungary for Hungary to veto an extension to Article 50. I expect the EU to retaliate by offering a sweetener to Hungary to vote for the extension which is probably Hungary’s intention. Another interview this morning had a person who said that the UK, if it remains in the EU, will find it on a different path from when Article 50 was served and mentioning defence he said it was now a good reason to Leave the EU. We never hear that side of the debate in the H0C.

    1. I’m convinced that ‘D’ notices and all manner of other devices have been deployed to prevent open discussion of the ‘Defence Surrender’ and other shenangans that Robin Hood May and her Merry Men got up to, stealing from The Rich (the UK) and giving to the Poor EU.

    1. Found this blog on Tony Heller’s publications:

      https://www.climate-debate.com/forum/amateur-needs-tony-hiller-help-d6-e1881.php

      He makes an important point about the strong influence of water vapour as a ‘greenhouse gas’ and also that no theory is any good if it doesn’t match experimental results.

      I decided to test out the maths behind the ubiquitous experiment involving the burning candle – rising water experiment because even knowledgeable guys at Harvard have been arguing about how it works:

      http://www.math.harvard.edu/~knill/pedagogy/waterexperiment/

      I tried predicting the level of water rise using a 4.6 litre glass vase from Tesco and differing heights and numbers of candles.

      I managed to get within a few millimeters water level prediction but expect to improve accuracy and repeatability after taking into account the water vapour and its condensation in the jar.

      I have found no video on YouTube which satisfactorily explains the burning candle phenonenon which was originally demonstrated by Lavoisier.

      I would be interested to know if there is a 16 year old science student who can throw some light on Lavoisier’s experiment and put the Harvard guys out of their misery.

      P.S.
      I am using the paraffin wax burning equation:

      C₂₁H₄₄ + 32 O₂ -> 21 CO₂ + 22 H₂O

      1. Have sent your question to our 16 year old scientific grandson. If he replies I’ll post his answer.

    1. The dates they just pluck out of the air. There is no way that diesel and petrol cars will be gone by them. IT is simply impossible. Even if they could produce enough who would buy them unless heavily subsidised

      The next problem is neither the household power supplies or National grid could cope
      and what about people who live in tower blocks do they dangle a few hundred metres of cable out of the window

      To come up with a date you need a detailed project plan and a budget but that would show it would not be possible

    2. Our grid runs at barely 5% capacity. When the wind doesn’t blow, they start up a farm of diesel generators. That need diesel trucks to run fuel to them.

      It’s just silly. What we really need is a much more efficient energy generation method. Instead of wasting money on windmills we should be researching helium 3 or Hydrogen and using thorium in the meanwhile.

      1. Yes, but George has allegedly invested billions in green energy so obviously Brits have to have it.

        1. Whether it is Green or non Green it still need Grid capacity and that included the substations

    3. It’s actually going back to the dark ages and means that
      In every sense of the time period.
      Pray to Gaia and rotting wind farms for your energy needs .

  59. It is odd that “A Shared Future” was the theme of Davos 2018….

    ….and “A Shared Future” is now the slogan of the Conservative Party.

    1. I only saw the second half. I found it a bit confusing it seemed both sides played a number of cork asians. However, I was delighted to see the ancient tradition of lining up to shake hands with the opposition at the end of the game….

      1. Whereas against Argentina, each player put out his hand and shook his opponent by the throat.

        1. Twas before the final whistle and I put it down to emotional displays of affection…..

          1. When the punch-ups started I did wonder who had been muttering “Falklands” in the scrum….!!

  61. Banzai! (Despite the ref.)
    Scotland now have to at least beat Japan to go through. They will also need to have a lead on Ireland, and need to thrash Russia. Exciting, if you like that kind of thing.

  62. Well,well,who’d a thought it,chopping off the old meat and two veg or stuffing children full of hormones doesn’t solve all their mental health issues

    “Hundreds of young transgender people are seeking help to return to their original sex, Sky News has learnt.

    According

    to a charity being set up to help them, many members of the trans

    community are detransitioning – and the numbers may increase further.

    The number of young people seeking gender transition is at an

    all-time high but we hear very little, if anything, about those who may

    come to regret their decision.”

    https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans-people-seeking-help-to-return-to-original-sex-11827740

    2. With woman transitioning it may not even be recorded as most just need to stop taking the hormones as really all are still female but minus their boobs

    4. Maybe they should start putting the cut-off bits in the freezer next to the bags of peas and green beans just in case.

  64. Here’s a suggestion for a simple bit of new legislation:

    The Constitutional Reform Act 2005 (Repeal) Act 2020

    1. I imagine the wolf would rather think ‘oh, I’m everywhere, in all shapes and sizes’.

      And then he’s see a poodle with one oft those stupid hair cuts and tuck his tail and run.

  66. Could this ” transitioning” that is in vogue be applied do you think to current lab/lib/con supporter / voters,say threatened with non reversible
    willy lops & stitch ups if proven to have kissed a LLC candidate in the polling booth ?

    1. How do they de-transition a Tradeswoman? . De-Transitioning a Transman is fairly simply they just stop taking the hormones. Almost known have lower surgery which is why we get the Media reporting a man has given birth. Most have their boobs lopped off but they can stuff a bra

      1. BJ,
        Peoples can bet their bollocks if they still them in situ that whatever happens it will be a stitch up.
        Today’s 5 minute trends are a complete mystery to me, of
        scrumping in a minute, coming ?

  67. Let us hope and pray that George Ford takes over the place kicks in the second half.

    (Nice Colemanballs, by the way: “Absolutely nothing wrong with that tackle….except that it was late…”)

  69. ” Multiple passengers injured in Devon bus crash” …err…what did it crash into ???

    “The force said: “The South West ambulance service have declared this a
    major accident and therefore have sent considerable resources to the
    scene, including a number of ambulances, patient transport vehicles and
    the air ambulance for support.

    “We expect this incident to keep the road closed for the foreseeable
    future and we advise all road users to avoid the area and to seek
    alternative routes.”

    This sounds more like a response to a terrorist attack, than to a rather nasty accident with fortunately no casualies.

    Wonder what actually happened ?

        1. You dont need to crash into anything. It appears to have just come off the road for somereason

          2. The Daily Mail has so many popups and videos intruding into articles, not to mention the constant cookie approval needed that it’s become unreadable.

          4. Never see any. Get an adblocker and Noscript. Though you’ll have to let the basic dailymail.co.uk site through to see the comments. Should you wish to do so..

  71. What is the UK population. Tee figure I can find quoted for 2017 is 66.02 million. On the sort of population growth figures they typically admit to it would put us now on about 67M but we know the figures considerably understate our population. One can only make an estimate at the true UK population and I would estimate it at between 70M and 75M at this rate we will soon overtake the population of Germany which has a lot bigger land mass

          2. Talking of yer French.

            Kitchen knife killer, deaf, geek, computer chappie – is now found to have converted to slammerism ten years ago and fully supported the Bataclan attack three years ago.

            Ideal fellow to work inside Paris perlice headquarters, wouldn’t you say?

            I wonder who his equivalent is at Scotland Yard…..

          3. Just one of those crazy things. Fortunately, we don’t have thought police, yet. Although the EU are working on it.

      1. One of the other famous and historic pubs in Hampstead is sadly no more. The famous Jack Straws Castle pub i now flats. It was not the original pub as it was rebuilt in 1964. It is now listed but without being a pub a lot of the historical interest has gone

    1. If I were Boris I would involve the Privy Council in sacking all 11 judges and scrapping the Supreme Court. Let them all go to the ECJ and take Tony Blair with them. All are guilty of abusing their positions of trust to advance the political interests of a foreign power. They are no better than Philby, Blake, Blunt and all the others who worked for the Soviet Union against their own country. Indeed, it appears that the EU is the replacement for the Soviet Union among the liberal establishment.

      I think I’ve said something similar, i.e. about Philby, but this paragraph summarises it perfectly. There were too many in our establishment elite who considered Russia’s communist regime to be admired and preferable to the UK’s system of government, and also thought that the German corporal was doing a good job…
      Things haven’t changed much.
      I just wish that all those who hate this country and prefer the EU buggered off there.

  76. UK court rules biblical belief in two sexes is incompatible with human dignity this ruling was just prior to the earthquake / lightening strike hitting the courthouse.

    1. Remember the York MInster lightning strike after moves to change the CofE views on Christianity?

      Semi-seriously, how can a court in a country with an established Christian Protestant church, headed by HM, rule against that church’s teachings?

      1. Afternoon Jtl,
        By the same token how can 48% overrule 52%,
        Things ain’t what they use ta be.

  77. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q4o9YqRBY9Q

    The Candace Owens Show: Douglas Murray

    Sort of related to a video posted earlier, which was with Emily Maitliss interviewing a Brexiteer, and Nottl comments were about the visible hatred on her face.
    In comparison, The Candace Owens interview is how interviews should be done. BBC and Channel 4 bods should watch this and learn something. And so should Pierce Morgan, who had Douglas Murray on his show recently, and spent more time talking than Douglas did.

    2. Just goes to show – it was only after about five minutes that I realised she was black.

  78. The Devon bus crash. Deeply unpleasant though it must have been for anyone involved, it appears to have been less serious that at first thought. Eight people were injured, and another person has serious injuries.

    The perlice statement begins: “Health partners inform us…..”

    I ask you.

      1. Oh, you are back. It has been peaceful…..

        Depends on the reason the bus ended up in a field. There was talk of a “collision” early on. Could have been entirely the fault of another driver; or a farm animal that leapt over a hedge…the end it listless.

        1. Indeed.

          The UK I knew seems to have vanished and a rather horrid creation has taken its place.

          It’s very pleasant to return to civlisation.

          1. You missed the police manifestation bout suicides and the Paris police HQ killings. And the death of the corrupt philanderer Chirac; Toy Boy’s eulogising was vomit-making.

          2. I saw the Police stabbings on the French news, 10/10 for their recruitment people.
            Not.

    2. I haven’t a clue what a ‘health partner’ is.

      Is it NHS doctors, the Ambulance Service, or what? Why do the police insist on communicating in a language that has only a passing resemblance to English?

      2. I assume it means “medical bods”….

        Years ago in Fulmodeston, before the Common Purpose lot took over the perlice and everything else, we had a Rector who was a retired colonial policeman.

        During the Mothering Sunday service – when a quantity of children were present – he asked that they “proceed down the aisle in an orderly manner”.

        One has only to see some arrishole perliceperson standing outside a court pontificating to know that the Queen’s English is definitely not their first language. Tortuous springs to mind.

  79. Slowly working through today’s comments and I see that BofB has been unwell, is there any further news?
    I hope he recovers soon.

  80. Derbyshire-based Yourbus has announced that it has ceased trading.

    The company operated bus services in and around Derbyshire as well as a coach unit that offered day tours.
    A short posting on the company’s social media pages said: “We regret to inform our passengers that unfortunately Yourbus has ceased trading as of 04/10/19.
    “We would like to thank all our customers for their support and custom over the years.”

    1. Oh bugger.
      That’s the ones that do the Bonsall & Chatsworth busses and the Matlock to Ashbourne bus.

      1. Serendipity, here you are above my question re your health, I trust all is going well.

      1. Tomorrow is the last day well part day as they dont turn up till about 2pm on Mondays before Parliament is Prorogued

  83. New research by Friends of the Earth, which looks at renewable energy, public transport, lift-sharing, energy efficiency at home, waste recycling, and woodland cover, sees both Colchester and Ipswich given a performance score of 84% alongside West Suffolk.

    Sounds a load of nonsense , So 4% of Ipswich is woodland not exactly great . 33% of commutes journeys re by public transport. More likely part car part train as much of Colchester’s population commutes to London. 40% well insulated not that great particularly when much of Colchester housing is realitely new

    This puts the two towns above Norwich, with 80%, East Suffolk with 76%, Babergh with 60%, and Mid Suffolk sits even further down the table with just 52%

    According to the report 4% of Ipswich is woodland, 33% of commuter journeys are made by public transport, cycling or walking, 40% of homes are well insulated and 38% of household waste is reused, recycled or composted.

    But the research shows that the town needs to do much better on increasing its tree cover and increasing its waste recycling. .

        1. On the cover of the new remastered CD (the MR bought it last week) there is a photo of them walking back (as in the snap I just posted) but with an RT bus coming towards them…(a London bus anorak writes…)

          3. RT = hand built; chassis. One part body.

            RM – a fraudulent vehicle. No chassis; crap body.

            Just saying……………

    3. 1969 – The Summer of Love.

      What were NoTTlers doing……?

      I had to get up an hour earlier to put my false eyelashes on……

      3. Sport, sport and more sport.
        Athletics, swimming and free-style beer drinking.
        Oh, and courting Her Grace.

      6. Working in London. Decorating a newly acquired house in Harpenden.
        Surviving several Stag Nights (in London, Dublin and Glasgow) – two month countdown to our November wedding …

          3. Congratulations and very best wishes to you both! I guess nowadays, it’s probably appropriate to add Well done!

        1. …and I was becoming a new Dad. In those far off days when life was simple, and a baby had one mother (F) and one father (M).

      10. On deployment to Malta, took part in NATO exercise in Greece.

        BTW, I suspect I may be setting myself up for a shitstorm of criticism but I’ll say it anyway.

        Can’t stand the bloody Beatles, never could, and I think their music is shite!

      13. Shagging a nurse from the Middlesex Hospital in Googe Street in my pad in Clapham Common from very distant memory. About the only thing I can remember from that time.

  86. Boris it to introduce new legislation to prorogue the Supreme court until January 31st

          4. Angie, I was referring to the upper thighs with the Teddy Bear drawn on them. Wasn’t the Polly Peck nylons brand logo a Teddy Bear wearing a black Top Hat and carrying a cane?

          5. You’ve got me there – even though I’ve been through the bear facts – big thigh!🤔

          6. On reflection, I think it was Bear Brand nylons. I once was given a pair to give to my big sister as a birthday present when I was a small mite, and I always remembered their logo.

      2. Brexit in 2019 without the WA in place is averaging 4/1 against.
        Withdrawal Agreement is ratified, Article 50 extended beyond 2019 or Article 50 revoked is 1/7.
        Mind you, they got the Referendum wrong too.

      1. No. They just slander them and call them names just as they do to everyone who disagrees with programming…

  90. That’s me for today.

    A demain – Cancer Information Day at the village lake.

    I shall be a symphony in pink.

  91. Driving around the last couple of days, we were in stationary traffic queue at roadworks. In front of us was the most popular medium sized van in the UK. Made by Ford. The van was introduced in 1965. Ford Marketing Department must have been blessed with foreknowledge, or perhaps they were all psychic.
    They did not call the van a “Man-van”or a “Van-she.”. They did not call the van a “Trans-man”, or a Trans-she”. They did not call it any name that fashion, time or political correctness could render inappropriate. No they called the van a “Trans-It”. How could they have predicted where we would be today on gender balance, gender switching, and sex changing? How could they have got it so right? A “Trans-It”.

      2. A man takes his girlfriend out in the company van. It breaks down. She asks what’s wrong with the van? He says “Sick Transit, Gloria”

      4. Sadly, Gloria, an H suffix caravanete with the V4 2 litre engine I bought in ’86, went to the scrappies in ’90.

        1. I posted a comment earlier to the effect that he has a face “that only his mother could love” but you know I’m not too sure about that….

    6. I thought that The Joker was a fictional character, now I’m scared to go out at night.

      1. Would you vote for him if Khant was the only other choice? Blimey, that’s a tough one.

    8. Reminds me of the ’60’s photo of Nixon, with the caption: “Would you buy a used car from this man?”

    9. Fluck and Law would have a field day.

      He can’t help being ugly, but making it an attribute is a step too far.

  93. Apropos of nothing much, this from the Daily Express “Weird News” page:

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1186831/mayan-calendar-end-of-the-world-2012-new-calculation-13-baqtun-spt

    From the article:

    Archaeologist Grantee William Saturno said back in 2012: “The ancient Mayans predicted the world would continue, that 7,000 years from now, things would be exactly like this.

    We keep looking for endings, the Mayans were looking for a guarantee that nothing would change.”

    Reckon the Mayans’ guarantee that nothing would change suddenly expired in the early part of the 16th century. They should’ve read the small print.
    :¬(

        2. Sorry Paul, had to check for myself.
          What were the names of the four horsemen?
          The figure representing conquest rides a white horse; war, a red horse; famine, a black horse; and plague, a pale horse. They are often called the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

    1. We will only be leaving without a withdrawal agreement, why would there be a need for a state of emergency?

          1. Of course, but Bojo doesn’t want to leave with a Surrender Agreement, he’s working towards a WTO exit.

    1. Perhaps the Diversity Department should apply themselves to diversity of political views. Maybe employ some “tokens” who don’t vote Lib/Lab?

    1. It came after the European Court of Human Rights ruled police could preventatively detain people, even if they have no specific intelligence linking the individual to the crime.

      Oh dear. The slippery slope just got slipperier.

  97. Nicked comment,ouch

    See the little flag-draped coffin on the left? I guess it’s hard to miss.

    That’s

    the coffin of six-month-old Nivruti Mahesh Islania. She was shot dead

    alongside her father, Maheshkumar, in West Germany in 1989 by the IRA.

    His

    ‘crime’? He was a corporal in the RAF. Little Nivruti’s ‘crime’? She

    was in the same car as her father when he was assassinated.

    So

    please remember this image as you pore over your Sunday breakfast

    cereal, whilst reading the media coverage of Gerry Adams’ retirement

    which, in some cases, will blanket him in adulation ranging from the

    sycophantic to the hagiographic.Oh, and if you’re still thinking

    of voting for Jeremy Corbyn to become the next Prime Minister, please

    bear in mind he was entertaining the likes of Adams and McGuinness and

    giving succour to their cause when Nivruti Islania was murdered. OK?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f25a78abe8e397eb09f5a511f807524e4edd8b93565f65907ae1f99029425258.jpg

    1. Almost entire agreement with your post except, for “assassinated” read “murdered”

  98. I’ve read many pieces about the Oirish Back-shuffle.

    If the UK stated that it would accept ALL trade through the NI/Eire border without checks or tarifs and if the EU wanted border controls, well that would be up to them, who would be at fault?

    Call their bluff, Boris.

    Force the EU to set up border controls.

    1. Exactly. Boris should just say: “I will not set up a hard border. If Varadkar really wants to bring back the troubles with all its impacts on Ireland in general by setting up a hard border, that would be his decision, not mine”.

  99. Dexy is on fire today

    If you lop off your cock and your sack,
    And then have a remorseful attack,
    You’ll be classed as a traitor
    And a transphobic hater,
    And your genitals will not grow back.

    4. Somewhat crude is this Dexy, sorry Rik but regardless of
      his points it’s not to my taste. Maybe sense of humour failure on
      my part .

      1. The F and C words have gradually started coming back here, as well.
        Schoolboy smut reflects badly on this site.

  101. Had a good day with the geology group digging up
    fossils but sadly didn’t fine ancestors of Jezza .

  102. “One of his backbenchers, however, took a different tack. Two weeks

    after a Tory MP and four others were murdered, Jeremy Corbyn invited two

    convicted IRA terrorists to Parliament. Two years later, Corbyn was

    arrested at a ‘solidarity’ demo for Patrick Magee and other IRA members

    outside their trial at the Old Bailey. By this point the court had

    already heard that Magee’s palm prints were found on the registration

    card for the hotel room in which the bomb was planted and his

    fingerprints on a bombing calendar listing further atrocities to be

    carried out in the year after Brighton. Corbyn was arrested for

    obstruction at the demo and spent a few hours down the local cop shop.

    He later wrote a note to the protest organiser, on House of Commons

    headed notepaper, saying: ‘Thanks for your help, hope you get out as I

    did! All the best, Jeremy.’

    Labour MPs evidently do not grasp the significance of this behaviour,

    for they continue to sit behind this man and campaign to make him Prime

    Minister. And so I ask myself: What if, two weeks after Jo Cox was

    murdered, a backbench Tory invited members of National Action to

    Parliament? What if, while her murderer Thomas Mair was in court

    declaring ‘death to traitors’, that same Tory MP was outside at a

    ‘solidarity’ vigil? What if that Tory MP had been willing to get himself

    arrested for the pleasure? And what if he had written a cheery note to

    the organiser of the demo?

    Now imagine that Tory MP ended up party leader one day. How would

    Labour MPs respond? Would they cut his backbenchers the same slack they

    cut themselves? Would they shrug their shoulders and say, ‘Oh, they’re

    just being loyal party people’ or ‘He’s doing well in the polls’? Would

    they empathise with the Tory MPs and members who said they were staying

    to fight for their party’s ‘soul’? Would they hell. They would be

    howling and marching and demanding every last Tory MP resign. And they’d

    be right.”

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/why-we-shouldnt-forget-jeremy-corbyns-contemptible-past/

    1. Barnier is a busted flush. He has single handedly obstructed any sensible deal between the EU and the UK. This is because he is French and so arrogant (a national characteristic but God knows why) as to be about the last person on Earth to be appointed to such a delicate and important task.

      An Hungarian Minister will have assuredly been a better choice as Chief Negotiator. That or a Minister from Greece or Italy. Those poor souls have suffered most at the hands of the corrupt EU.

    1. BTW this particularly contradicts Varadkar’s outrageous** assertion that Remain has a majority in the UK.

      ** Outrageous to be making it anyway – how’d Varadkar like it if BoJo asserted a majority in Eire were against their Tissaoch

      1. Varadkar is a comparative newcomer and innocent. His own country sensibly voted to leave the EU but were then subjected to threats from the EU and persuaded to vote again in favour of Remaining.

        That is not a historical basis for Varadkar to now sing the EU tune without an admission that many of his countrymen voted previously to leave the EU and many presumably hold to their opinions.

        The Irish economy is dependant upon the UK. Once we leave the EU with others and have left the Irish will remain dependant upon the UK. Nobody but a fool would alienate its principal investor. Nobody but a fool would side with s demonstrably malevolent European body, intent on its own preservation regardless of the phenomenal costs to other member states.

      1. Rounding can have this effect I think …. and it doesn’t show the SNP figure …

        1. If the figures don’t quite balance you round them up or down.. Or look silly.
          Five plus five equals ten Not nine, or eleven.

  106. Night All

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    2. In the second gif. Dolly does the same actions. Don’t know what it means yet. I’m still trying to work out when she ‘makes like a Catherine wheel’ means.

  108. HS2 planned cutbacks –

    ” Politicians in the north have expressed anger at suggestions that the
    HS2 rail route to Leeds and Sheffield could be scrapped under
    cost-cutting plans. The high-speed network, which planned to connect
    London to Birmingham, Manchester, Sheffield and Leeds, could be halted in the Midlands, according to the Financial Times.”

    I saw that one coming.

  111. Boris wrote a letter to Jean Claude,
    Who was on a bender in Luxembourg,
    Heard that he had died of cramp,
    Just too late for the Brexit agreement.

    2. I’ve read some strange poems and limericks. yuz dunna rhyme

      Bojo wrote a letter to de BIG JC
      A man wot ruled in poxemburg, see?
      Refused de deal did dat JC
      But died of de pox after brexit-ee.

      2. Standing high up on the wall,
        His gaze drifts slowly over the land,
        Remembering days before the fall,
        And leaders lies enshrined in sand.

        Or, we could always leave the EU and be free.

  114. Renewables will never power the planet by themselves without some major breakthroughs. When renewables become cost effective then I will be OK with them. Until then do your research and when you come up with something that works then we can talk..

  115. Anything recharged connected to the electrical grid is nothing but a sick leftist joke. Where do those morons think that the electricity comes from? Uranus? Their anus?

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