Friday 15 October: Telephone consultations mean stressed GPs and dissatisfied patients

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    1. The trouble with this cartoon is that it makes the repulsive Squalid Jawdrip look sympathetic when he is not.

  3. Boris Johnson’s eco-Micawberism will not pay the bills of net zero. 15 October 2021.

    Throw in the transformation of roads (for electric cars), farms, factories and everything else and the price tag is likely to come in at over £1 trillion. The Climate Change Committee, which does the net zero sums, thinks it will be more like £50 billion a year from 2030 to make the transition, more than four times the sum raised by the coming National Insurance hike. The difference is that we’ve been told about the tax, whereas ministers are still talking as if net zero will be cost-free.

    The Prime Minister has gone so far as to rule out a meat tax or carbon tax – and there’s more to this than Johnsonian denialism. The Cabinet members who are most keen on net zero say in private that the costs will be whittled away, perhaps to nothing, by advances in technology.

    Going green, they think, will become the cheaper option so people will do it anyway. The idea is that capitalism, innovation and consumer demand will make Britain richer, as well as cleaner. “The economic growth will outweigh the costs,” says one minister. Quite a claim.

    Morning everyone. If they truly believed this then there would be no necessity to do anything at all. It would all evolve without the Government; or for that matter any other agency having to lift a finger. The truth is that no one really believes this stuff! Look how they simply ignore it when their holidays are due or they need to go somewhere on government business. They fly in and out like bees to a hive! What we actually have here is an imagined crisis with imagined solutions. The whole thing if implemented would destroy what little is left of the country!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/10/14/boris-johnsons-eco-micawberism-will-not-pay-bills-net-zero/

  4. Good morning all!

    On the subject of telephone consultations – it seems to me that the main job of a GP is to diagnose what is wrong with the patient and recommend treatment accordingly. They are not going to cure you in a ten-minute consultation, they either prescribe some medication or refer to you to a more specialised part of the NHS. How then can they fulfil the core function of their role on the phone? I recently had some problems with my eyes, I described the symptoms on the phone and was advised to use drops. It was only much later when I had been examined at a Moorfieds clinic that it turned out that I had a minor tear to my cornea. How many potentially life-threatening conditions are being missed because the GPs cannot be bothered to do an-person consultation?

    Those who refuse to carry out the core function of their role, potentially putting lives at risk should be sacked. But with Sajid ‘rabbit in the headlights’ Javid facing-off to the BMA, I won’t be holding my breath.

  5. Morning, all Y’all.
    Was at doc yesterday for checkup. Face-to-face consultation, just no handshake at the start & end.
    It couldn’t have been done remotely, blood pressure and endless vials of blood needed taken, don’t know how they do that through t’Web.

  6. RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: The Age of Woke is beyond a joke… this pernicious doctrine has been embraced enthusiastically by our institutions

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/10/14/22/49189027-10093839-image-m-20_1634245329362.jpg
    Mystic Rich strikes again. During last year’s Summer Of Stupidity, sparked by the Black Lives Matter madness, I wondered how long it would be before the woke brigade got round to banning Brown Sugar by the Rolling Stones

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10093839/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Age-Woke-joke.html

    1. Groucho Marx was fond of brown sugar in his youth. Specifically chambermaids, when he was on tour.

      1. So was that French chap who used to run the IMF and hoped to be president. Strauss Kohn.

      1. They have already banned Melting Pot which was a song about the desirability of different races interbreeding!

        1. Stupid berks, isn’t that just what the ‘woke’ desire?

          About time they banned and cancelled themselves – the majority of us have already.

  9. Neil Kinnock’s son, an MP, was a guest at Nigel Farage’s outside broadcast last night from Port Talbot gave some insight into the problems at the DVLA. Apparently the workers at the DVLA experienced a large number of serious Covid case with some deaths. The Covid protocols at the DVLA site were considered to be unacceptable and the workers are reluctant to return to their jobs unless their managers improve the Covid protocols. The uptake of vaccines and herd immunity should, with the assistance of the DVLA managers , have made the dangers from Covid less likely.

    1. DVLA employs 6000 adults. In such a cohort there is bound to be a number of deaths each year, During the Wuhan SARs episode i expect every death that occurred was attributed to Covid-19. That’s not to say basic control of infection procedures couldn’t have been improved.

    2. Don’t believe a Labour MP for honesty or balance. A quick internet search showed me: there was an outbreak of Covid at DVLA at the turn of the year; one DVLA employee died, but whether he caught it at DVLA is unclear; DVLA’s procedures are at least as stringent as anywhere else; and public service unions, being public service unions, are making the most of it whether justified or not (DVLA’s procedures are stronger than those at union offices!).

      You can always rely on the unions in a crisis. They always throw blocks under the wheel rather than put their shoulder to it.

        1. The younger Kinnock’s escapades fall into 9/- note territory. Used to live in Denmark but his tax base was conveniently in Switzerland.

    4. My brother worked there at Swansea in the early 1970s as a computer programmer. He was responsible for the glitches that made a complete mockery of the centralisation programme. He then emigrated to New Zealand.

      I understand they sent the most incompetent former Government minister they could find to run operations at Felixstowe. Going well, is it?

    2. Yo all

      What the drivers should do, is handcuff the Insulate Cretins to railings, lampposts, traffic lights, in fact anything anchored down in the street

      Then urinate on them, or have a friendly HIV positive mate to give them a kiss etc

      2. I was going to post the same thoughts this morning but two or three Nottlers have beaten me to it.

        Is it not true that many (most?) long-distance lorry drivers have a Porta-Potty equivalent behind the seat in their cabs, for when their Tachygraph time runs out (especially when stopped by IB louts) and they need to ‘go’.

        Taking these ideas to the next level, why not empty the full contents of some of these onto the ‘protesters’? Then they would have something to stink think about while sitting in the road.

        I’m surprised that the lorry drivers haven’t considered this, especially as they must know about the French Farmers’ ‘Action Directe’ in dumping manure on the roads when they are unhappy.

        1. That might be considered assault. However if the potty was emptied uphill from the demonstrators, gravity would take over and it would be up to them to move. Problem solved.

          1. You are too caring, Sean, which is more than can be said for the ‘Insulate Britain’ heap of crap.

            They deserve all the shïte that may be heaped upon them.

    4. Just carry a bottle of urine in your boot. “I’m sorry, officer, I thought it was water and I was offering them a drink when it slipped out of my hand”.

      1. Do not read if you’re about to have breakfast.
        I’d get my cock out & piss on them.

    5. What happened to the water cannon that Boris Johnson ordered? Didn’t Teraita May get rid of all trace of them?

      Water cannon with indelible dye in the water squirt should be used on these people.

      1. I can’t remember from where it was, but there is a short video of protesters being drenched with some really stinky output from a water-cannon.

        It may be those forward-thinking Israelis.

  11. Good Moaning.
    What a lovely day to have the opening riff to “Paint It Black” as an ear worm.

    “First They Came For Brown Sugar …..”

    1. Can’t see the sun directly, but it’s shining on the trees over the road quite beautifully.

        1. Good Morning Michael.

          Is this Happy Hour?

          Are they saying: first fish ‘How are you feeing today?”
          Second fish: ” A bit flat to be honest….”

  14. Good morning. Bright & clear after the overnight rain. The sun is lighting up the trees over the road behind the Pig of Lead and it’s a somewhat chilly 5°C in the yard.

  15. Yo all

    Please have a look and hopefully a smile at this

    It is nice to know that we still have some eccentrics/nutters left in UK

    https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/09/b1/4d/06/baked-bean-museum-of.jpg?w=1200&h=-1&s=1

    https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attraction_Review-g681385-d8505120-Reviews-Baked_Bean_Museum_of_Excellence-Port_Talbot_Neath_Port_Talbot_South_Wales_Wales.html#/media-atf/8505120/162612045:p/?albumid=-160&type=0&category=-160

      1. It is in his home, Flat 6 somewhere in Sandfields, a very large Council, oops Local Housing Association Estate

  16. Morning all

    SIR – In 2008 I analysed more than 2,000 GP telephone consultations – setting out to demonstrate the benefits of this method of care.

    They averaged five minutes in length. Over half had to be followed by a face-to-face consultation, averaging 10 minutes. If, as reported, 57 per cent of patients now see their GP in person following a telephone consultation, the result is a 7 per cent increase in workload compared to seeing all patients in person.

    Patients generally want to visit the surgery to consult a doctor, and telephone consultations leave neither the doctor nor the patient fully satisfied. This increases GP stress and leads to further appointment requests – yet more work for the GP.

    Telephone consultation should only be used when requested by a patient.

    GPs’ workload can be reduced through skill mix – having people in non-medical roles working alongside them. However, a major potential source of staff has been overlooked – the huge number of people who volunteered to assist the NHS in the pandemic. Lay people can be used in health screening, to measure height and weight, and test blood pressure. Less than 7 per cent of GPs who volunteered were called on. They could provide support to practices.

    Simon Fradd MRCGP

    London SE1

    SIR – It isn’t just GPs who have cut back on face-to-face consultations. The last time I saw my oncologist was 10 days before I completed my radiotherapy for neck cancer. In the six months since, I have had monthly telephone consultations, mostly with a doctor but occasionally with a nurse.

    After a couple of chats, the report to my GP stated: “I saw Mr Simpson in clinic today.” How can they justify this?

    Roger T Simpson

    Northampton

    SIR – In 1993 I joined a practice of two GPs delivering all primary care to 3,600 patients with the help of two receptionists. An average patient came four times a year. Now, two GPs lead a team of 30 extensively trained staff caring for 4,800 patients. An average patient visits nine times a year.

    We no longer refer everyone with blood pressure problems, asthma, diabetes, chronic kidney disease, high cholesterol, and so on. We diagnose and manage these in house.

    Seeing that the country could not fill all the gaps by training more GPs, the Government introduced clinical pharmacists, primary care mental health practitioners, first-contact physiotherapists, even befrienders, and many more ancillary roles to help GPs. This is called skill mix. These professionals assess, investigate, prescribe, refer and treat within their own specialties better than I can.

    Politicians therefore need to stop telling patients to demand face-to-face appointments with a doctor and advise them to engage with receptionists and be signposted to the right member of the extended primary care team.

    Dr Ken Leeper

    Billinghay, Lincolnshire

    1. So:
      1. Telephone appointments have their place, but only when the patient wants one.
      2. The load on GPs has increased over the years, hardly surprising given our ageing population.
      3. Politicians normally make matters worse.

      1. In addition with the massive wave of immigration spoken English isn’t a first language for many. One might postulate (pustulate) that more time is spent on communicating.

        1. ‘Morning, Stephen, I had to wonder what Immigration Spoken English was – a hybrid version of pidgin?

      2. I spoke briefly to my GP yesterday. He said that it used to be him and his two partners in the practice and it was fine. Now he has a team of helpers, “nurse practitioners” and the like and he is always busy. I suggested that there were many more interventions with older people than there were previously. He agreed. The increase is not so much an ageing population as the population always ages.
        He agreed with my notion that we should change the focus, to younger people. For example, we are seeing more cases of Motor Neurone Disease and one knows what causes it, let alone what the cure might be.
        I think that after you reach a certain age you should get less from the NHS and not more.
        (This will require carful analysis of treatment, age groups and costs. The NHS was set up to improve the health of the nation and it did a brilliant job especially in eradicating many serious diseases. This also benefited the country overall as healthy workers are productive workers. The NHS was not set up to provide endless free treatment to assist oldies to live forever?)

        1. I thought that the elderly were already being ignored and getting less from the NHS. Bearing in mind we’ve paid more into the system than the young, I feel short-changed.

      3. Sounds about right. My surgery closed down and I was transferred to another, which had already absorbed a previous surgery that had closed down. As far as I know (I haven’t actually managed to see a doctor at the practice) they haven’t engaged any more GPs, although numbers on the books have tripled.

    2. ‘An average patient visits nine times a year’. This seems excessive. Apart from jabs (done by the nurse) I haven’t seen a doctor since I had shingles in 2019. I saw a very young one who confirmed my diagnosis.

      1. Either the nine times a year figure has been inflated or the GP’s are not diagnosing correctly.

  17. Thank-you rail mail

    SIR – Some time ago, I mislaid my camera at Canterbury West railway station.

    I was returning to Maidstone and had to change at Ashford. I mentioned my loss to a member of the station staff (Letters, October 14). The same day I had a call to say the camera would be waiting for me to collect at Maidstone station.

    I wrote a thank-you letter to Ashford station and received a reply thanking me for my letter, which was now on the staff notice board as they received so few of these.

    Margot Drury

    Warmsworth, South Yorkshire

    SIR – At the end of a railway journey, my maternal grandmother would alight from the carriage and go to the front of the train to thank the steam-engine driver personally.

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    Richard Huntley

    Dinas Powys, Glamorgan

    1. Here in Bath everyone (and I mean everyone) as they are getting off the bus thanks the bus driver.

      2. When the bus pulls up to the stop, at which you are waiting’ do you become a “Twirly”

        “Thwirlies” passengers with concession cards asking the driver ‘It is not too early is it’, to use them

          1. In Birmingham now, twirlies who are really twirly, can pay one pound and board anyway.

      7. When I lived in yer France, occasionally some passengers would kiss the driver of the 100 bus from Nice to Menton! Turned out they were family!!

        1. Lucky you didn’t think it was the custom. A boy like you could have got into a lot of trouble. :@)

      8. It’s the same when I take the bus in Aix. I don’t know what it’s like here, as I don’t need to take a bus (I walk, or use the car if it’s too far – the bus “service” doesn’t go where I want when I want).

    2. Yo epi

      At the end of a railway journey, my maternal grandmother would alight from the carriage and go to the front of the train to thank the
      steam-engine driver personally.

      Back in the mid 70’s, two of us took the night sleeper train from Nairobi to Mombasa.

      As we walked passed the ‘Driver’s Cab’ we nodded to him, then realised that he had been drinking with
      us until three that morning, in the buffet car.

      Luckily there was ‘a local lad’ in the cab with him (he was white)

  18. I have anticipated a relapse of my long-standing aggravated stress condition, which the Department of Health responded to in 2018 by withdrawing my medication after they agreed to the Cartel putting up their prices a hundred-fold.

    `I therefore booked in my telephone consultation with my GP on Monday. I am at a loss though to ask her what she can do for me. Quite apart from being overwhelmed by my helplessness with current events right now, my own crisis concerns the breakdown of trust I have with the dental profession, largely as a consequence of the Department of Health playing the market, whilst making life impossible for the conscientious practitioners.

    I have always found it strange the expression “knowing something like the back of my hand”. In truth, it is the back of my mouth that I am in constant rapport with, and I know every part of it intimately. It is the back of my mouth that savours all I eat. It is the back of my mouth that first sustained me as soon as I left the womb. As a singer, it is the back of the mouth that enunciates the words and provides the expression in all I perform. It is very important to me.

    Yet looking at the ads for commercial dentistry, all I see is “we will look after your smile”, as if I were some kind of American. It is all my dentist cared about when he waved a mirror in front of me, expecting praise, yet neglecting totally whether I could even eat or sing. The smile was great, but I prefer my teeth to function than to look good. It is a mentality of superficiality and vanity I despair of.

    What can my GP do to make it better?

    1. You will get two minutes on the telephone and then she will suggest you take a cocktail of drugs.

      1. I already take a handful of assorted vitamins. It’s when two or more are the same shape and colour, especially the little white tablets. If I drop one on the floor and it rolls under where the mouse is trying to get in, I have no idea which one to take out of the pot to replace it with.

          1. If you take more than 4 pills per day, maybe at different times, it introduces a useful (and safe(r)) regimen into one’s daily life.

          1. I already use a dosette box that gives me 14 days pills at both morning and night.

            Coupled with a spreadsheet (I take 9 pills/puffs daily) it helps identify when I need to ask for repeats.

  20. Politicians therefore need to stop telling patients to demand face-to-face appointments with a doctor and advise them to engage with
    receptionists     and be signposted to the right member of the extended primary care team.

    Dr Ken Leeper, Billinghay, Lincolnshire

    An apt description for receptionists, in my humble opinion, is Gate Guardian. (GG)

    There should be recourse in law, if you are prevented from having a medical consultation with a Doctor ans a serious
    medical problem is not diagnosed. A tenet of all hierarchial systems is

    You must not have Authority, without Resposibility. ie no consultation arranged by (GG), you die, they are prosecuted for manslaughter

  21. 340054+ up ticks,
    Morning Each,

    Friday 15 October: Telephone consultations mean stressed GPs and dissatisfied patients

    I will hear the views of my nurse regarding a blood test / diabetes in two weeks I enquired face/face,no, telephone.

    Only part of the Great British take down repress, reset,replace campaign,
    seemingly degradation is being used in Brighton 6′ walls of rubbish gaining height daily, dispute refuge workers / council.

    The political overseers have foreign butchers on standby ready to travel
    to tackle the pig issue, HGV drivers allowed to extend number of trips, or come over to GB companies, ALL ORGANISED smoothly alongside
    potential people butchers entering via DOVER daily,under the reset
    umbrella.

    To my way of thinking the original 48% anti Brexitexit strongly inclusive of lab/lib/con members making up the vote & whinge brigade, are winning on a daily basis in reality should either shape up patriotically or ship out to brussels because they have done / are doing irreparable damage to these Isles.

      1. Shades of the ‘Winter of Discontent’ in 1979 which brought about the rise of Mrs Thatcher.

        Can we but hope?

        1. 340054+ up ticks,
          Morning NtN,
          I would go along with that but take exception to “hope” hope is the root cause
          of our current sh!te standing as a nation as in the electorate hoping adhering to the same voting pattern things will change.

          Hope is a very fickle commodity.

        2. I need new glasses. At first glance, I thought it was a whole lot of Muslim bicycle racks.

      2. I bet the people of Hove are dead chuffed about being under the same council as Brighton!

        1. “Hove”? Don’t you mean “Hove Actually”?

          Dore [pron: “Doo-er”] a posh suburb of Sheffield on the edge of the Peak District, suffers from the same delusions of grandeur.

  23. It’s thanks to the Anglo-Saxons that the English yearn to be free.

    Robert Tombs (Daily Telegraph 15/10/21).

    It’s no mystery why 1066 is our most famous date — October 14, 1066, to be precise. On that day the history of England changed for ever. But should we give greater prominence to another battle nearly 130 years earlier, Brunanburh in 937, which some historians argue consolidated Anglo-Saxon England — even if they disagree over where it was fought? It was certainly an epic English victory over an alliance of Vikings from Dublin and Celts from the far north and west. But the English triumph was short lived. The Vikings were soon back. The Danish king Knut (Canute) conquered England in 1016. And then of course came the Normans.

    So is the history of the rather short and troubled Kingdom of the English really so important? Did they leave much of a heritage apart from a few small churches, fragments of literature, and some beautiful manuscripts and metalwork? William the Conqueror and his successors after 1066 carried out what we might now call cultural genocide, wiping out or dispossessing the political and cultural elite, systematically demolishing nearly all the great buildings, changing religious traditions, and seizing the kingdom’s wealth.

    For some Victorians, who approved of the idea of progress through imperial conquest, the Anglo-saxons were merely “lumbering about in potbellied equanimity” until civilised by the Normans. We have long put that idea behind us. In cultural terms, the English could claim primacy over the thuggish Normans. In particular, Old English literature was unique in a Europe dominated by Latin. The country was more efficiently governed than perhaps anywhere else in Europe, and with a high level of participation by its people. We must not idealise: this was a brutal warrior society, with many of its people enslaved. Yet its rulers, unlike those after 1066, did not need to live in castles, fortified against their subjects.

    Why then did the English lose – however narrowly – on that October 14? Partly bad luck. Partly that England was surrounded by enemies, attracted by its wealth: Harold was defeated at Hastings largely because he had just had to fight another battle against invading Vikings at Stamford Bridge. Partly because the Anglo-Saxons were incorrigibly factious.

    So what did the Anglo-Saxons do for us? They left an effective system of government, which outlasted conquest: England survived under new management, escaping the fragmentation of much of the Continent. Some of the system they created is with us still. They left us a myth of liberty: the idea that before the imposition of “the Norman yoke” the people were free, and one day would be free again. Myths are important, and for centuries this one – perhaps containing a grain of truth – inspired demands for rights. The most popular version, of course, is the legend of Robin Hood.

    Above all –against heavy odds – the Anglo-Saxons left us the core of the English language, preserved by ordinary people and by the Church. In a greatly simplified form, and with large infusions from Latin and French, an English language and literature survived and finally replaced French and Latin. The language of Chaucer and Shakespeare is not the language of Beowulf, of course. And yet today the hundred most frequently used words in what has become the world’s language are all derived from Old English.

    I don’t know about anyone else, but I think it’s about time that those of us who still possess a gallon-or-two of Anglo-Saxon blood should take up the sword and fight for the country.

  24. Quite Sensible but interesting (I hope) this morning.

    Answers to that quiz

    1. How long did the Hundred Years’ War last?
    116 years (1337 – 1453)

    2. Which country makes Panama hats?
    Ecuador (sold in Panama – better market than Ecuador)

    3. From which animal do we get cat gut?
    Made of the dried twisted intestines of sheep or horses (but not cats).

    4. In which month do Russians celebrate the October Revolution?
    November. Because it was on November 7th according to the ‘New’ calendar.

    5. What is a camel’s hair brush made of?
    The bristles of camel-hair brushes are traditionally made of squirrel hair and this is still the most common material. They can also be made from goat, ox or pony or a blend of any of these. They are never made from camel hair, either in whole or in part

    6. The Canary Islands in the Atlantic are named after what animal?
    Dogs (Canariae Insulae – Latin, Island of Dogs)

    7. What was King George VI’s first name?
    Albert

    8. What colour is a purple finch?
    Pinky-red

    9. Where are Chinese gooseberries from?
    Peru, hence Physalis peruviana

    10. What is the colour of the black box in a commercial airplane?
    The recorders are not permitted to be black in colour, and must be bright orange, as they are intended to be spotted and recovered after incidents.

    1. 8/10, Tom. I failed on the Panama hats (though I should have known it) and The October Revolution. I sailed through the rest.

      1. I thought it made a change from smutty stories, George but we will probably be back to normal tomorrow.

    2. Physalis peruviana are not Chinese gooseberries, they are Cape gooseberries. Kiwi fruit were called Chinese gooseberries – they originally came from China.

  25. I expect I am alone (again) but I am delighted that Xi has raised two fingers to the Glasgow bollocks. It is rare for me to laugh out loud (or at all) but I did on reading that headline in The Grimes this morning.

    It is as clear as clear that yer Chinese do not give a flying fig about the mass hysteria called “climate change” and will continue on their merry “polluting” way as they always have.

    In addition, they can see that the West’s fixation on self-destruction of its economy is but a stimulus to China and its economy.

    1. Chinese cities seem to be smog ridden hells. So good for them to keep it up. Anything that weakens that regime I’m all for. For some reason it is not publicised here, is it a matter of appeasement? But the Chinese have had a disastrous year all round. I suspect that much of their bellicose behaviour toward Taiwan is a deliberate effort to distract us from the mess they are in.

    1. Thanks, Ken but what struck me most was the final sentence at the bottom of the page:

      “Why you can trust Sky News ”

      If you have to say that, it begs the question, “Why?”

    2. Cheers, hard to believe it but they get even bigger. Good to see they popped her back. Good PR mind.

    1. Bit slow today, Uncle Bill. Waiting for the gasman! And he hasn’t cometh yet!
      Who is it?

      2. He is skipping. Unfortunately, the skipping ropes are still on a container in Felixstowe.

  28. 340054+ up ticks,
    Was not the only issue frozen out, decency, integrity, honesty, common sense were casualties also.

    Dt,
    Haulage group frozen out of Whitehall after being ‘hijacked by Remainers’
    Ministers shun Road Haulage Association over claims it sparked petrol crisis

    1. Many a legal battle has been fought over the interpretation of a sentence, for want of a comma.

    1. “He was acquitted of a further rape charge which alleged that he
      assaulted a different woman at another address in Hawick in January
      2020      “

      1. If he does not like my description of him, he may sue me, or discuss it in person.

      2. The current partner of a former girlfriend of mine was a film producer. He said that there was a homosexual mafia in his line of work at the BBC in the 1980s which made it difficult for people like him to get work there.

    2. My reply:

      I would suggest that there is more of a threat to the English way of life, posed by the LGB in their unwarranted demands upon the majority of the population. Wake up you’re a minority and we muddled along very well with homosexuality & lesbianism before you ever stirred the pot.

      1. 340054+ up ticks,
        NtN,
        Being born & bred in Chatham an out & out naval town poofs & the ladies of the night
        paraded openly with no problems.
        Many a pub landlord had poof
        pianist / singers much to the delight of an appreciative audience.

        The dangerous addiction of the electorate
        regarding the lab/lib/con cartel put the kibosh on ALL those good times.

      2. I would suggest that there is more of a threat to the English way of life, posed by the LGB in their unwarranted demands upon the majority of the population.

        Which is their entire intention and the reason why they receive such strong support from The Left.
        Cultural Marxism in a nutshell.

      3. One of my very best friends in the 1970’s was a very charming, well educated and good looking homosexual who was a gifted musician and very popular with the girls. He was always immaculately dressed and groomed – in fact he never looked scruffy – he was the epitome of the vision we used to have of the sophisticated homosexual.

        We had a very easy relationship and I could tease him and he could tease me back. We could talk about anything and I accepted the fact that he was homosexual just as he accepted the fact that I am not.

        It seems that the quality of homosexuals has gone down very dramatically since the 1970s.

        My friend died of AIDS in 1986.

    3. When are we going to have

      Whitey Civil Rights (White Lives Matter)

      Ethnic Brit Civil Rights

      Heterosexual Couple Civil Rights

      White Police Association

      White Lawyers Association

      Church of England with Bishops on side with it

      An Industrial Led Society

      Equal Rights FOR ALL

      Grooming Gangs named, shamed and imprisoned (and not theie accuser)

      No Lockdpwn during Christian Celebrations

      etc

      1. 340054+ up ticks,
        Morning OLT,
        Easy, when the electorate kick the odious addictive habit of voting lab/lib/con mass uncontrolled immigration, ongoing / paedophile umbrella cartel & build on a current fringe party to such an extent that they cannot be denied a platform.

    4. A friend of ours is a retired CID officer who retired about thirty years ago.

      In the course of his career he had to investigate many murders and he said that the most horrible, vicious and gory were those committed by homosexuals on homosexuals. This reminded me of the murder of the playwright Joe Orton by his lover, Kenneth Halliwell.

      I wonder if this is still true – you now hear of so many appalling murders in “straight” community in the MSM as well.

      2. If someone is already a deviant from long accepted norms, it does seem to be a possibility that they will also deviate in other ways.

      3. Interesting but have no idea. However the worst domestic violence is perpetuated by Lesbian couples. Apparently they put heterosexuals into the also ran category for battery and mayhem on each other.

    5. Peoples’s sexual proclivities are of no interest to me whatsoever. I just wish people like Owen would just shut up about it. They are already treated preferentially by the police and other institutions. Please just let us all get on with our lives in peace.

    6. Homphobia is all in your mind, Jones.

      Frankly, if you’d shut up, stop demanding special treatment and just go the flip away, no one would care. It’s because you shove your nonsense in our faces and insult our institutions.

      Stonewall should receive not a penny of public money. Let it die.

    1. 340054+ up ticks,
      Morning Bob,
      Sorry to clash, but I was using that article as an extension to my first post

    2. I wonder what the percentage is of “gay” people on the Nottlers’ Forum?

      One of my male friends who is now married to his fourth (female) wife has always preferred male to female company. He says: “I am homosexual in all ways except sexually!”

      1. I’m gay. I was born gay. I’ve been gay all my life.

        I hate misery-guts people! Reclaim the English language. 👍🏻

          7. None of those, unfortunately, Matey. I am an unreconstructed and totally incorrigible rogue (an offence for which I could be imprisoned under the terms of the Vagrancy Act, 1824).

          9. …and, being Wednesday’s child, I’m supposedly full of woe but…

            …I don’t think so.

          1. When, Lass there is nothing gay about them.

            A more sombre, miserable looking little git than Owen Jones, I’ve yet to see.

          2. I don’t want to see him, let alone some of the others. It’s strange, but when I’ve met a gay “bitch” (especially a trans one) s/he somehow exudes a far more negative aura than an ordinary female bitch.

            On the other hand nice gays are lovely.

      2. I can see no earthy reason for such an enquiry.

        Live and let live is my motto. We are not all the same.

        If one IS gay, then I imagine this sort of question is very irritating.

  33. Good morning my friends:

    I hope this story a friend sent me is not racist:

    An Irishman walks into a bar in Dublin and orders three pints of Guinness. He sits in the back of the room, drinking a sip out of each one in turn.

    When he finishes all three, he comes back to the bar and orders three more.

    The bartender says to him: “You know, a pint goes flat after I draw it but it would taste better if you bought one at a time.”

    The Irishman replies, “Well, you see, I have two brothers. One is in America, the other in Australia, and I’m here in Dublin. When we all left home, we promised that we’d drink this way to remember the days when we all used to drink together.”

    The bartender admits that this is a nice custom and leaves it there.

    The Irishman becomes a regular in the bar and always drinks in the same way. He orders three pints and drinks the three pints by taking drinks from each of them in turn.

    One day he comes in and orders two pints.

    All the other regulars in the bar notice and fall silent.

    When he comes back to the bar for the second round the bartender says: “I don’t want to intrude on your grief, but I want to offer my condolences on your sad loss.”

    The Irishman looks confused for a moment, then a light dawns in his eyes and he laughs.

    “Oh, no,” he says, “Everyone is fine. It’s me……I’ve quit drinking!”

  34. Everything is going to be fine at COP26. Deputy Chief Constable Will Kerr has said in a TV interview that he would ensure a safe environment for the protestors. In plain English, the police will be protecting the disruptive protestors from the righteous anger of the already much put-upon residents of Glasgow.
    It seems clear that the routes to be used by the Conference attendees will kept open, and will be closed to normal activity. The roads to which all normal traffic* will be confined will be allowed to be closed by protestors.
    * Buses, cars, delivery vehicles, and all day to day movement of ordinary people will be stuffed up.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58915705

    1. I do like Colin Brazier but he always looks rather ill at ease and nervous when talking to David Starkey.

        1. Is being “tee’d off” a tad milder than being “pee’d off”, and much lighter than being “pissed off”?

          1. You know I actually don’t know. My mother used to say teed off. I think it is more or less the same thing but more polite due to being from an older generation. I don’t think it has an apostrophe, by the way.

            Well, as an after thought I looked up synonyms and here they are:
            angered, angry, apoplectic, ballistic, cheesed off [chiefly British], choleric, enraged, foaming, fuming, furious, hopping, horn-mad, hot, incensed, indignant, inflamed (also enflamed), infuriate, infuriated, irate, ireful, livid, mad, outraged, rabid, rankled, riled, riley, roiled, shirty [chiefly British], sore, steamed up, steaming, ticked, wrathful, wroth

    2. Morning all.

      So, lateral flow tests say “positive”. PCR tests say “negative”. Why did these people take both tests? And, in any case, both these so-called tests are useless; a) because LFTests are utterly useless; b) PCR tests were never meant to be diagnostic in the first place.

      It’s all another great big con to soften us up for more lockdown later in the year. The bl..dy tests should be abandoned.

      1. Grant Shapps apparently went on Talk Radio and claimed that 99% of covid deaths now are unvaxxed people. It seems that Julia H-B didn’t challenge him. Of course it may be that anyone who had the last jab less than a fortnight or more then six months ago is being counted as unvaxxed.

        1. I wouldn’t trust Shapps as far as i could l kick him. He claims to represent Welwyn and Hatfield but actually live in very comfortable mansion in Brookman’s Park. How on earth can afford that on his salary ?

        3. It is precisely that. And it would not surprise me if they were completely dishonest with the figures and that the 99% are vaxxed.

      2. More lockdown before Christmas and the promise of release with vax passes. You can see this coming. Its like watching one’s children planning and plotting.

      3. Telford has its knickers in a twist because “cases are rising”. So what? Are deaths and hospitalisations rising? Of course not.

      1. I fear so, yes – but regional results are apparently not yet in so there is still a little hope of more conservative voices.

    2. Don’t wish to sound cynical but this is for the C of E, isn’t it? So what is the point, might as well spend your time flogging a dead elephant.

    1. Of course not. None of the wanqueurs have to do anything tedious like that. They are “important” people.

      1. A work colleague told me the other day that her teenage son has just returned from holidaying with the wealthy family of a school friend. Private jet and very swanky yacht. No covid tests, no forms, no restrictions.

    2. BJ and pals create our world – – THEY don’t live in it. Fuel shortages – for us – – power price problems for us – – not them – – etc etc.

  39. Now they’ve upset Brenda….

    Queen’s green fury: Monarch says she is ‘irritated’ by world leaders who ‘talk but don’t DO’ in rare public intervention ahead of climate change summit – just hours after Prince William’s blast for billionaires over space tourism
    The Queen attended the sixth ceremonial opening of the Welsh parliament in Cardiff today

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10094017/Queen-slams-world-leaders-not-committing-climate-summit.html

    1. I don’t believe that The Queen was talking about “climate change” – just ineffectual “leaders”

      1. And read Shatners response instead of down voting and then mount a rational argument. Because William clearly doesn’t understand the purpose of space exploration or its importance. For example, it would be and will be perfectly possible to mount an array of solar panels permanently aligned to the sun and not subject to the vagaries of earths weather. A system that could provide energy for the entire world.

          1. He certainly doesn’t understand the purpose of space exploration nor, I suspect, is he aware of the useful spin off from it that have been created.

        1. Since David Attenborough is a liar and propagandist manipulating information on behalf of so called ‘climate change’ I take anything he says with a dose of salt.

          1. He is reading out of the BBC handbook, which affects all their output. The next time I hear the idiot, Monty Don, go on about ‘climate change’, I’m going to travel to Longmeadow and skewer him on one of his garden forks!

      3. Morning Jonathan. It is not zero-sum! Rocket engineers cannot go off and suddenly start hugging trees for a living!

    3. Good on her.
      They are all still flying around the world in their private jets as well.
      And they want me to rip out our 6 month old gas boiler. Fur cough.

    4. Her majesty should sack [ even better, hang] all politicians and retake command, just as her predecessors, Edward I and Elizabeth I, did.

      2. But just think what llife would be like under King Charles – it hardly bears thinking about.

        On the other hand…it can’t be worse than our politicians.

        2. Charles insists his regnal name will be George VII, but that won’t make a ha’porth of difference. He will not change.

        3. I actually don’t understand why people think that Charles can’t have his say. In my life time the Prince of Wales had a seat in the House of Lords. It is the monarch that is not allowed to be partisan, not the prince or any other member of the Royal Family. Until he comes to the throne when he must exercise neutrality he has every right to speak. There is nothing in our constitution or in our laws that says he should be silent. So whether I agree with him or not it is fine with me. When he ascends the throne then he must have no public opinion.

          1. The trouble is that he is not going to change overnight once he has become King. Plus, that he has already paved the way for people’s thinking about him – on the leopards don’t change their spots basis.

          5. What, changed their habits of a lifetime (and Charles’s is a long lifetime as a Prince) and suddenly pipe own when they ascended the throne?

          6. They all go silent when they ascend the throne. It is a matter of the constitution. It’s really as simple as that. I don’t see why, at all, that you think that Charles will be an exception. He understands his role perfectly well.

          7. Yes. It strikes me that you are a bit obsessed with Charles. There is no reason to think he will be an exception. Edward VII sat in the House of Lords and made his opinions blatantly clear in a way that Charles never did. On ascending the throne he did his duty and became silent. It really isn’t rocket science to understand the principle and I really don’t understand why you find difficulty with it unless you are motivated by some sort of animosity toward the future King. But that is a subjective point of view and has nothing to do with well established precedent that the Prince of Wales falls silent on ascending the throne.

          8. I have no animosity against Charlie except that I think he is a bit of a twit. At least Camilla seems sensible and will help him to be netural, I guess.

            The trouble is that years of spouting will not necessarily be undone by maybe a decade of neutrality.

          9. None of that matters. It is his constitutional role that matters. All that is required is that he be neutral and non-partisan in public when he is king. Until then he can say what he likes. There is nothing, to repeat myself, in law or in the Constitution that says otherwise. The only reason that the Queen has no known opinions is because she became queen at a very young age and had no time to express much of anything whilst a princess.

        4. He won’t be Charles III, though; he’ll be George VII. Too much baggage following Charles I, I assume.

  40. Trump now favourite to win 2024 election. 15 October 2021.

    As every pub-bore politico knows, betting markets tend to be more reliable indicators of election outcomes than the pundits and even the polls.

    That is why the latest odds on the America’s 2024 presidential elections strike Mr S as worth noting. Donald J. Trump yesterday becomes favourite on Betfair to be the 2024 Presidential winner, with his ‘shortest odds ever’. According to the betting exchange, Trump has a 21 per cent chance of winning. President Joe Biden, who is plummeting in the polls, has fallen to 19 per cent.

    They will probably assassinate him this time round!

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/trump-now-favourite-to-win-2024-election

    1. Trump has not yet definitely declared that he will be running – just as Eric Zemmour has not declared that he will be running in the French presidential elections.

    2. I certainly hope he wins Araminta or it’s curtains forb the USA. But I would not be at all surprised if massive fraud took place or your possibility, that he be assassinated. America is, at present, in the grip of evil forces epitomised by Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the leftist democrats and the power hungry corrupt establishment. If they win again then we need to ditch the USA fast and make common cause with the Commonwealth. That will be our only hope because Europe certainly will be useless. In fact I would say make common cause with Russia too.

  41. An amusing image in Ruth Dudley Edwards’s piece in the DT yesterday about the N Ireland Protocol. This compares dealing with the Irish and the EU as being like playing chess with a pigeon – which one should never do – because: “The pigeon just knocks all the pieces over, shits all over the board, then struts around like it won,”

      1. Can you imagine………….what that ex copper feels like after that stupid ruling that has ruined his life?

        1. Since I don’t read the Telegraph I don’t know what he did which is why I only commented on ghastly Jaffa cakes. What did he do?

          5. Dear Dukke, maybe I am, but it is the ALL aspect that sticks in my throat. Many posters on this forum are much too cowardly to inform us what their vocations (or previous vocations) are/were. These cowards love to take the piss out of or insult) those whose previous jobs they know, but are much too slimy to admit what their job is/was. I suspect that, in the case of most of them, it involved sitting on their soft arses in a comfortable chair in front of a desk in a centrally-heated office, pushing a pen (or keyboard), getting overpaid and thinking what they are doing is ‘work’. Real workers call these people ‘poofs’.

          6. I think “all” means “all, speaking in the current sense” not all that have ever existed.

          7. I’m a former teacher and translator/interpreter, Grizz. I’m happy to castigate the current lot of woke “educators”.

          8. You’ll have your work cut out, Conners; the woke are a growing menace. I’ve just posted a comment on a YouTube video whereby a purple haired ‘it’ ( a person with goolies pretending to be a woman) was telling off a normal bloke for talking sense. I wrote: “‘Cultural Marxists’ (there’s an oxymoron if ever there were one) find it easy to indoctrinate those who possess just one brain cell to their ’cause’ of ‘Critical Theory’ (yet another oxymoron) since it is easy to manipulate those who do not possess the capacity to think for themselves.” I expect a deluge of complaints from the hard-of-thinking.

          9. I wasn’t being serious. Sorry, I should have made that clear. My sister and her late husband were both police.

          10. You’re forgiven. I’d ask for a bottle of single malt but you are lucky I’m on the wagon (maybe permanently). 🤣

          11. Oh. And P.S. My brother in law was the white Kenyan policeman I mentioned before about corruption in modern Kenya. How the Kenyans wished the white police back because they upheld the law and weren’t a gang of extortionists.

          12. It makes you wonder what Africa would be like today had it not been for Whitey’s intervention in that continent.

          13. I’ve posted this before but………. The local baker arrives as the barber opens his shop, after the hair cut the barber tells him all this week he is donating the first 6 customers costs to charity. The baker thanks him and leaves. Next Moring when the barber arrives at his shop there is a huge bag of fresh hot doughnuts on the doorstep. His first customer that day is the village florist he also gets a free hair cut. The next morning when the barber arrives there is a huge bunch of red roses on the door step. As he picks them up the local politician is standing there, as he has a local surgery that morning. Same thing happens free hair cut, many thanks and leaves. When the barber arrives the next morning he finds 6 politicians standing in line out side the shop

        1. I was discussing diet this morning with a nurse at a thing called the fountain centre. Due to prescription drugs that I have no choice but to take I have ballooned from a 32 waist to a 44. It’s a nightmare because I hate being fat but I can’t exercise. I used to cycle everywhere (not a lycra lout, wouldn’t be seen dead in that) and actually thought being slim was natural to me. That turned out not to be a reality at all. Any ideas that people have to getting weight down, I’m open to suggestions.

          1. Yo j,

            What did the the nurse suggest> She must have come acros that particular problem quite often.

          2. No. The problem is I have both COPD (inherited, not smoking) and cancer. Because of the COPD I can’t exercise. Not so bad that I need oxygen but exhausted after doing something as simple as vacuuming a small room. Then the Cancer drug and after effects of Radiotherapy also destroys your energy level so you are sort of screwed. The nurse decided that she was going to pass me along to someone else that she thought could help me better than her. I like to be a problem to the medical profession 🙂 But actually the hospital has been great, impeccable treatment and gone out of their way, phone me twice a week to see how I’m doing. Highly commendable lot.

            I wish I could say the same thing for my regular MD and his practice. Seems to have sunk beneath the earth into a bunker that’s impossible to get into or communicate with in a satisfactory way.

          3. Oh dear. I know this sounds vile, but in the cirumstances would a gastric band be useful?

          4. I suspect that would be a bad idea because I must keep my nutrition up. I suppose a liquid high protein diet or some such could work? I will ask about that.

          7. I can’t do that, it would make me sicker otherwise, believe me, I would. I can’t explain how much I detest being fat.

          10. I now live by it and it is paying dividends. I have lost 3½lbs in the past week (just under a stone in the past six weeks) and I’ve not felt as fit in years.

          12. That makes three of us, Eddy and Johnathan.

            Also COPD but a longer history of chronic heart disease, now exacerbated by a recurring PID (Prolapsed Intravertebral disc) that screams if I walk more than 70 paces. COPD (yes, smoking) doesn’t help, as it causes breathlessness after the slightest exertion.

            Apart from that, I’m fine.

          15. Before all this pandemic nonsense came into being I went to my GP and shown him the seemingly solid expanse of my once slim stomach but he just shrugged his shoulders and told me to go on a diet.

          16. Ah, yours also is firm, not flabby fat. I wondered if it might be a tumour since it’s as tight as a drum.

          17. It’s crossed my mind as well.
            My GP is pretty useless.
            I did have a CT scan in May this year and another in August but that was to check on my Ticker, I suppose they might have noticed if it had been a stomach tumour. What sort of meds are you taking ?

          18. Entresto 49/51mg
            Tamsulosin 4 mg
            Omeprazole 20mg
            Spironolactone 25mg
            Warfarin 5 mg
            Warfarin 3 mg
            Warfarin 1 mg
            Vitamin D
            Fostair Inhaler 200/6
            If that helps. Warfarin is currently 4 mg daily.

          19. I take Tamsulosin and omeprazole Probably the latter because all of the other meds, Beta blockers, I take might cause an upset stomach. After my TIA 5 years ago I was prescribed Apixaban it’s so much better than Warfarin. Ask you GP to look into it.
            Funnily enough this morning my GP gave both of us our flu jabs, along with a long line of other elderly from the village. But only wearing mask and using hand gel ???!!!

          20. I did ask the quack but they are afraid Apixaban could exacerbate the existing heart condition.

            I’ve refused Beta Blockers and Statins as they both mess with my memory.

          21. I only eat between 5pm and 7pm. And plenty of exercise (brisk walks, try to keep moving, nothing too strenuous), I’ve lost a stone in about 6 weeks. I’m back into the ‘healthy weight’ part of the NHS scale so I might ease up a bit now, maybe an occasional biscuit at 11am!

          22. Cut out bread, pasta, poatoes, cakes, biscuits, cereals and alcohol. No soft drinks. Sugar and especially fructose are bad. Salad and veg and fruit, here you come. Eggs, fish, salmon, meat, beans, lentils are fine.

          23. My diet revolves around sweet potatoes, broccoli, cheese, eggs, fish occasionally chicken.
            Wholemeal bread, toasted with honey, bananas or Marmite….

            …..and sherry!

      3. They’ve been abominated (if that’s a word) Jonathan. Smaller, sourer, only 10 in a tube and the price goes up.

    2. A 4 day hearing to sack someome over 90p?? – – and a charity trip to Uganda ??? – – is there amyone there now?? Thought they were all in hotels here !!!

    3. I wonder how it was established that he had only put 10p in the box. There must be more to the story than that – sacking someone for not paying the full £1 seems like a massive over-reaction.

    4. Just a Yorkshireman being careful with his pennies. A bit hard to sack him. 2 or 3 other cops could have just held him upside down and shaken for a bit to get some cash from him.

      1. Not sure what you mean, but it was home made from a carcass it’s all been strained and frozen now I’ve got quite a few tubs in the chest freezer. I’ll be making chicken and mushroom risotto for dinner, the home made stock makes all the difference to the flavour of the meal.

    1. Remote always at hand.
      We now also record a lot of ITV and other channels with advertising so we can keep a sense of reality disposed quickly of the senseless adverts.
      What a shame the constant switching of channels and viewing is not registered with the said TV companies.
      I might be wrong but I have reached the conclusion that some of it is set to deliberately wind up and frustrate the viewers.

      1. Afternoon Eddy. I now record pretty well everything of the little I watch. It’s by far the best method. You can censor out all the Woke advertising and propaganda. The News is more problematical. You need to watch a little so that you can see what they are up to. I usually watch the first five minutes of the BBC News once a day and sometimes a little more on Al Jazira and RT!

        1. I hardly ever watch the whole of the news it’s not long before especially the BBC are spouting their usual propaganda. I wish the BBC was pay to view, they’d be broke inside of 12 months.

          1. The BBC local radio phone – in shows NEVER mention the thousands of illegals being rewarded with free lives in hotels here. Nor the cost.

          2. It must be jointly costing the tax payers millions. But what are these people here for, we don’t need any of them. Boris is a ‘king idiot.

          4. As i said i do have the hand set close by. It’s quite good to keep ahead of the situation.

      2. You can watch ITV catch up without the Adverts. Open the prog that you want to watch. When it tells you to disable adblocker do so. Refresh the page and begin the prog. Pause the prog. Switch adblocker back on and then press play.

        At least it used to work but i don’t watch ITV now.

      3. I record most progs I want to see and watch them later. I don’t think I’ve watched anything at the time broadcast for over a year.

    2. I dropped by at Sainsbury’s last night, spotted their ‘Support Black History Month’ posters and walked straight out. A pity – it’s the only place I can get English liver sausage, rather than the Belgian paté slush. Hopefully by the start of November, they’ll swap them over for ‘Burn Catholics’ which is traditional in England in November. Bit late for Christmas promotions – they normally come out in August.

      1. I’ve long given up on Sainsbury’s, given their support for all that’s left and socialist.

        BLM is just a small slice of the evil pie, that so many of OUR politicians have their fingers in.

      2. “Burn Catholics” is OK. We don’t get fired up about it. So there’s nothing at stake.

      3. Hot cross buns were on sale at one of our local supermarkets last week – six months to the day before Easter.

      4. I walked into M&S food hall in my local town yesterday and now you mention Black History Month, I think they had something similar.
        I am willing to be corrected, to be honest I just pay so little attention to all the b*****s I see on a daily basis, it just doesn’t register any more.

      5. Very small poster, I expect, since generally Blacks have achieved the square root of fcuk-all.

      6. It was the same at M & S, Longbridge (large branch) and, no doubt, in all of Birmingham’s branch libraries.

  45. It is hardly surprising that our dear Queen is a bit grumpy and very far from being gruntled about people not doing what they say they will do.

    According to Le Figaro she has been told by her medical advisers to cut back on the alcohol – especially the French fortified wine, Dubonnet which she mixes with gin. She has also been told to drop her habit of taking a glass of Champagne with her when she goes to bed.

    https://madame.lefigaro.fr/celebrites/no-more-martinis-elizabeth-ii-sommee-de-renoncer-a-son-cocktail-favori-151021-198723

    1. If I were 95 and a doctor told me to cut down on the booze, I would tell him/her where to go.

      1. I had an uncle, my mother’s brother – a very dear man who was also my godfather. He smoked 20 cigarettes a day from the age of 16 and at least a pint of beer each day and a glass of whisky after supper.

        Mind you he paid for it – he died at the age of 91 when his elder sister, my Aunt Faith, got to 92 – and his younger sister, my mother – who was a light smoker and drank sherry as well as whisky – lived to the age of 97.

    2. What a load of b…..ks. If HM has managed to make it to age 95 and is pretty fit for that age, then the doctors should butt out.

      Ooops, while typing Aeneas has just posted – yes- she should tell the quacks in no uncertain terms. Which in her case means smiling and nodding and then in private doing what she wants.

  46. Afternoon All

    Yesterday I watched the worst sales pitch I have ever seen,it was for a product called Glucofort which purports to remove ceramides from our bodies which in turn lowers blood sugar dramatically effectively a cure fior type2 diabetes

    Just a few years ago I would have dismissed their claims that Big Pharma stamped on all research towards a cure as Diabetes in a vast and vastly profitable industry for them as paranoia…………

    However seeing what has been done to HCQ and Ivermectin by big pharma I now believe they are capable of ANYTHING

    Billions in fines and criminal damages at Phizer and today J&J are using dodgy legal tactics to dodge their liability on asbestos in baby powder…

    “Oct 14 (Reuters) – Johnson & Johnson (JNJ.N)

    on Thursday put into bankruptcy tens of thousands of legal claims

    alleging its Baby Powder and other talc-based products caused cancer,

    offloading the potential liabilities into a newly created subsidiary.”

    https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/jj-unit-manage-talc-claims-files-bankruptcy-protection-2021-10-14/

    Next a quick bit oif research on ceramides quickly found this….

    “Having an increased amount of a waxy substance called ceramides in the

    body increases the risk of developing insulin resistance, the hallmark

    of type 2 diabetes, research has revealed.

    Scientists at the

    University of Utah College of Health joined forces with an international

    team of scientists to research how obesity affects the development of

    type 2 diabetes.

    The study, published in Cell Metabolism online,

    revealed that the accumulation of ceramides may increase people’s

    chances of having type 2 diabetes. This occurs when a build-up of

    ceramides prevents the normal function of adipose (fat) tissue.”

    https://www.diabetes.co.uk/news/2016/nov/high-levels-of-ceramides-in-the-body-increases-insulin-resistance,-study-finds-93731261.html
    I may well give this goop a go,it can’t do any harm and if it works as advertised it will be a royal result

    1. Lots of could be and might be in that summary. I did try a quick Google search on glucofort and the claims that it is a scam are out there.

  47. Who is the UK supplier of last resort?
    Radio 4 Yesterday – EDF spokesperson says the company has reached its limit.

    Omni’s customers now have a predicament:

    In its email to customers, Omni said it did not think the supplier of last resort scheme was suitable for its model, under which customers pay in advance for electricity through a meter. It said its customers could be at increased risk of accidentally disconnecting themselves, being unable to receive support for meter problems, or being unable to access emergency credit to keep their lights on.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/15/kent-burnt-out-electricity-cable-will-take-two-more-years-to-get-back-to-full-service

    The EDF guy on Radio 4 yesterday morning said things had got to the stage where they were effectively being asked to underwrite the losses of insolvent supply companies who had guaranteed to offer cheaper power than EDF could.
    He said it was time that customers of these failing companies should take a personal financial hit, start paying the current commercial rate to a solvent company and have a smart meter installed.

  48. As I am a Skipton Building Society saver today I got a new account with a 3.5% interest rate for paying up to £250 per month for 12 months. Not a big deal but better than most saving interest rates available.

        1. Well that’s knot bad at all Phizzee. Might have a look at that. Otherwise it’s hardly worth “saving” at all. And of course it will all disappear soon incouncil tax hikes, NI hikes, general income tax hikes, pension grabs … ah sod it, not worth saving at all!

      1. I have decided to spent it and enjoy it. It’s depreciating all the time with the pathetic interest rates and rising inflation anyway.

    5. I have an account with Skipton currently earning next to nothing so it might be worth a look and setting up a standing order.

    1. MP Sir David Amess has been stabbed in major incident at his constituency surgery in Leigh.

      The Tory MP for Southend West was holding a surgery at the Belfairs Methodist Church, in Eastwood Road North.

      One person posted online: “David Amess Southend MP stabbed in Belfairs Methodist church Eastwood roadliterally as I was outside the building.

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10096107/Police-swoop-road-outside-building-MP-David-Amess-holding-constituency-surgery-today.html?ito=push-notification&ci=yMUeb6oNdR&cri=57DkkyF0m0&si=26738248&ai=10096107

        1. I’m sure they’ll try! Especially as most Tory MPs these days seem to be socialists!

    1. “An employee of Jean’s Laundry, near

      Belfair’s Methodist Church, said she did not know anything about the
      situation but had seen emergency service vehicles go by.

      ‘We just saw all the police and the ambulances turning up, it was probably
      about half past 12 or just before then,’ she told the PA news agency”

      Oh dear. Spectacular reporting. Not !

      1. One report I read had a by-stander saying, “you don’t often see armed police in this area”. My thought was, you probably don’t see ANY police in this area!

        1. That’s him Janet. He’s been trying to get his nose inside the door at Westminster ever since his wife was killed!

          1. It was generally known that he was on the point of deserting his wife when she was murdered by a chap with mental health disorders who was a right wing extremist and a fanatical Brexiteer.

            Brendan Cox had a history of clumsy groping which made women in his proximity feel most uncomfortable. And what’s the betting he will try and make capital out of the murder of Sir David Amess.

          2. I understood that Amiss was a Brexiteer, fanatical or otherwise, it doesn’t provide a motive.

    3. Harriet Harman ‘absolutely horrified’

      Harriet Harman, Labour MP, said: “Absolutely horrified about attack on David Amess at constituency advice surgery. My thoughts with him and his family.

      “Everyone on all sides of the House will be wishing him well.”

      They don’t turn out like this for the peasants! Then, “Its very sad. Nothing to do with Islam. Carry on everybody!”

      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/15/conservative-mp-david-amess-stabbed-multiple-times-surgery-church1/

    4. David Amess has subsequently died.

      We can only hope, since this is not first time that one of their own has been murdered, they will now consider bringing back the death penalty.

      DNA is now unassailable evidence so never mind Timothy Evans.

      1. I disagree, Tom.
        The State must not be allowed to kill people in cold blood, and DNA only shows that DNA-carrying things have been there – example, a hair could be transferred by a coat to the murder scene in a car, but nither hair nor owner of coat had anything to do with the murder…

        1. Disagree if you must, Paul, but I would go a step further. As well as the death penalty for both murder and rape, I would re-institute birching for misdemeanours committed by those between 14 and 25, executed by a beefy Police Sergeant, in public to the shame of the miscreant.

    1. One of a time which is now present in our homelands and showing how successive governments have allowed this to happen…

      It wasn’t “allowed” to happen; it was done deliberately!

      1. 340054+ up ticks,
        Afternoon AS,
        They were very fortunate in having a gullible electorate whos main voting purpose was / is in getting “their party” into number ten regardless of what odious consequence occurred regarding family or country in the future, & this has been the case time & again.

    2. Good for Poland. These scum are not genuine asylum seekers so deserve zero protection from yooman rights laws.

    3. MSN bleeding hearts journalism – they forget the Dublin Accord that is legal in the EU and says that asylum seekers MUST seek asylum in the FIRST safe country they reach. This means that the EU is NOT a safe country?

      1. The EU is NOT a country! Its constituent members, however, are and are safe.

        Edited because of errant apostrophe and comma! I seem to be losing the plot 🙁

  55. In for a sit down

    Three Fence panels replaced, despite the ground we were putting the post holders into being made of Concrete and Clay

    Now all I have to do is paint them and make the soil around the base of the posts into Clay/Mud

    https://youtu.be/zstZkoGyZS4

    1. My favourite song from that era. I have it on a memory stick along with a lot of oldies. I haven’t seen it referred to for years then, suddenly in the past couple of weeks, it seems to be all over the place.

  56. It was very sunny earlier although cold. We went out in the car to the fishmonger in Melrose and bought some fish for tea. We than sat and watched a 40 tonne articulated lorry attempt to get round the market cross without demolishing it. People had to move their parked cars to allow this. Then we went home by a circuitous route. We passed a number of fields filled with geese. These are fields of stubble. The geese avoided the fields of ploughed earth. I suppose it is more tiring to fly with your feet covered in heavy mud..
    We got home, about 3 miles from the geese fields. Behind us are fields of stubble but no geese. I suppose that the geese also avoid human habitation. They are not daft.

    1. Joe Rogan would do better on his interview to give Sanjay, the interviewee, a chance to f*ck up in public, rather than continue talking over him.

        1. A terrible loss of life; Sir David Amess sounded like a thoroughly decent and honourable man. So far, no details about the murderer so we all can draw our own conclusions.

          4. Surely that is really sticking it to the kuffar to kill for allah in a place sacred to the infidel.

          2. If he was white I am sure we would have heard by now. Even if he is white he is either a convert or an Albanian muslim.

      2. That comment was only one of thousands of similar comments denigrating white males and telling people that their culture is superior to ours.

  61. So – an interesting by-election in Southend West.

    I should imagine it is now a Tory marginal.

  62. Utterly spiteful and disgraceful comment by Ogga 1 below.
    A man with a wife and family has been stabbed and has died.
    Hate fuelled people are vast in life, there was no need for that .
    Compassion and humanity separates us from the monsters.

      1. Johnny please differentiate between what government does or doesn’t do and Joe Public. “We” certainly doesn’t include me. I am unable to do anything. Government doesn’t even “want” to.

      2. We let the monsters win by fighting each other instead of the man behind wearing the suicide vest or with the knife. Yes, evil thrives when good men do and say nothing but we
        dont hint towards a man with a wife and children ” got what he deserved and almost gloat over a murder being committed .
        We are ultimately Christian .

        1. One should rather take care of the plank in one’s own eye than worry about the speck in another’s.

    3. Now is not the moment for those of us that follow the contrasts between the reactions of the politicians and MSM to these tragic events depending who the victims and the attackers are, just observe and take note for the right time and don’t let them off the hook.

  63. Sir David Amess dies: Conservative MP stabbed to death at surgery. 15 October 2021.

    The Conservative MP Sir David Amess has died after he was stabbed multiple times at his constituency surgery.

    Sir David, the MP for Southend West in Essex, was attacked on Friday at Belfairs Methodist Church in Leigh-on-Sea.

    I’m not going to indulge in any hypocritical protestations of sympathy for this man other than that which I would extend for anyone else who has met a sudden and violent end. To do so would betray everything that I believe in. These people hate us and are doing their very best to destroy us. He has just had meted out to him a little of what he and his fellows in Parliament have visited on the people of this country; mostly the most vulnerable and helpless!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/15/conservative-mp-david-amess-stabbed-multiple-times-surgery-church1/

    1. More than a bit harsh!

      Reading about him on my computer makes me think he was much better than most of his fellow MPs.

      1. They are all much of muchness Richard. Remember Batley Man and the thousands of young girls who have been raped and abused. Not one of these people have raised a word in protest.

        1. …and Jo Cox, supposedly killed by a far-right extremist, rather than a bewildered old man with mental health problems.

          1. In reporting this murder Le Figaro also refers to ,“…l’assassinat en pleine rue en 2016 de la députée europhile Jo Cox, une semaine avant le référendum sur le Brexit par un sympathisant néonazi.”
            I translate this as, “the MP Jo Cox was killed in the street by a NeoNazi sympathiser a week before the Brexit referendum.”
            Of course this is an example of the UK MSM, e.g. the BBC, making something up which has since been repeated as true by the foreign Press.
            https://www.lefigaro.fr/international/un-depute-britannique-poignarde-a-plusieurs-reprises-dans-une-eglise-20211015?utm_source=CRM&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=%5B20211015_NL_ALERTESINFOS%5D&een=24114703173b957b2409c240fd1cc65d&seen=2&m_i=QtSCZnX4B%2B4ESHrw8aXhZKwaMpFTFr8gvjREWrT6ntj2IZ2HwVOdFFpRXwtX6L_%2Bubo6IVY%2BIEjOXHKsBVSLmiNclfIByPqSQg

          2. OK and where did the N**i’s start, and where are their governmnt still attempting to created the fourth Reich?

          3. She said in Parliament “there is more that unites us than divides us” or something like that. Yes, but her comment can only be applied to MPs, surely? Not actual people.

          4. Jo Cox used to go round schools using her position as an MP to tell children that mass migration was a good thing.

        1. Yawn. Can’t you do better than that? You’ve been trolling for so long even a newt could do better.

          3. I shall treat that with the contempt it deserves.

            Now, I shall abide by my policy of Not Feeding The Trolls (NFTT).

          2. Ha ha. I did. There was nothing there. Refreshing again, there’s still nothing there – just like you so it seems.

      1. Yes I’ve read his history on Wikipedia Ndovu but my comments below are still valid. What value virtue if you dare not exercise it!

        1. Well neither do we deserve what is being meted out to us. In the cumulative total of universal evil, a stabbing is great, but not as great as what the politicians are doing – and getting rich by doing.

    1. Oops indeed! I am sick of hearing about Black history month, and so glad my sons were out of the education/indoctrination system before this lunacy invaded schools. Having said that, I remember years ago (about 1996) when Ofsted were about to inspect our local primary school. One of the teachers was in the library area, prominently displaying books with coloured children on the covers – just for Ofsted’s benefit. There were no non-white pupils and the area had no non-white residents. Presumably schools would now have to display multi-gender and LGBTQXYZ books too. Those books soon disappeared after the visit.

      1. Perhaps instead of banging on about this in a predominately (they are still less than 10% of the population) white country (fingers crossed) they should spend a bit of time trying to explain to the rest of the world exactly what black people have achieved in their time on earth, except of course becoming migrants and even tolerating ‘the white mans ways’ and history where they think they can tolerate it before of course being ‘forced’ to react against the country they have made home.
        And bearing in mind they were never the only slaves on the planet. As many as 3 thousand white children were held in captivity by the islamics at Alhambra in and around the 11th century.

          1. Many people from the UK were “indentured servants” in the plantations of America. Not so different from slavery that you could tell the difference.

        3. Yo, Eddy!

          They’ve got no answer to your query. So they bang on (in all senses of the word).

      2. When is Asian History Month, or Polynesian History Month or for that matter, White History Month?

        1. Whitey is the privileged baddie who has caused all the world’s ills so no need for our own special month.

        1. Not surprising with the way it is rammed down our throats at every opportunity.
          I was watching an episode of the ‘new’ All Creatures Great and Small. A mixed race farmhand in 1930s rural Yorkshire? Yup, so believable.

          1. The Bbc went one better; in a programme about a mediaeval farm, they had a peasant who was as black as the ace of spades! Yeah, right!

    2. Worth repeating:

      A Poem for Black History Month (October 2021)

      In the matter of racial comparisons
      The media shouts to the moon,
      About all the historic achievements
      Of the Redskin, Spic and the Coon.

      Yet strangely, when strolling museums,
      The white man’s creations stand thick;
      But all we can find of those others
      Is a blanket, a bowl and a stick.

      No telephones, timeclocks or engines,
      No lights that go on with a flick.
      No aeroplanes, rockets or radios.
      Just a blanket, a bowl and a stick.

      Not one Sioux Indian submarine,
      No African ice cream to lick,
      Not a single Mexican x-ray machine,
      It’s a blanket, a bowl and a stick.

      So, remember when history’s the subject,
      And revisionists are up to their tricks,
      The evidence tells quite another tale,
      Of a blanket, a bowl and a stick.

      A poem by A. Wyatt Mann

      3. Nice piece of racist doggerel, but in the first half of the 20th century the US citizen Thomas Midgley Junior developed tetraethyl lead and chlorofluorocarbons; in 1995 the Mexican citizen Mario Molina-Pasquel was awarded a Nobel prize for his work in discovering damage to the ozone layer caused by CFCs.

        1. That’s me, Tim, racist, through and through.

          Good evening, Cuntstable, when will you replace my front door?

  65. Even GB news are calling it a lone wolf before we know the facts. Cover the truth.we must end apeasment.

  68. Not quite sure when it happened, but Guardian has gone to subscription service from £5.99 a month. Certainly won’t be subscribing. As it was, only looked in occasionally when suffering from low blood pressure – gained almost immediate cure!

    1. No-one seemed to notice the irony when the Guardian were running stories about off-shore accounts. The Guardian is funded by an off-shore trust.

  69. Sadly, the clue was the helicopter returning empty.
    Parliament swapped capital punishment for ‘life sentences’, then shortchanged the electorate with 15 years & parole etc.

    1. Sorry, Tim, missed that, Helicopter returning empty?

      From where?
      Who was the dumped Passenger?
      Why?

        1. OK, gotcha, J, I didn’t know an Air Ambulance was involved, Tim’s post didn’t make that clear.

          Thank you for clarity.

          1. Sorry, I was being a bit elliptical. Whilst inwardly deeply shocked and heartbroken by any unexpected death, my outer shell has grown harder. A superficially Conservative government has been welcoming pilgrims to Dover against the wishes of many indigenous Britons. Mr Johnson, Mrs May and many of their senior colleagues may not have physically wielded the knife, but boy did they contribute to Sir David’s killing.

  70. Rude;Don’t reveal spoiler.

    William Shatner has hit back at criticism from Prince William about his
    space flight.

    He said, “In all the years I was transported to different planets in
    Star Trek, I wasn’t ginger, I didn’t sweat, I didn’t shag a minor and I
    sure as hell never fucked a black bitch.”

  71. Off to pick up daughter and younger grand daughter at LHR. Here to look at Bath university. Psychology! Groan! she’s a very clever girl and seemed to be veering towards law. But …

    2. If she ends up at Bath Uni, tell her to stay away from the river. There has been a depressing run in recent years of students on night out, student full of alcohol wobbling back to digs and then student fished out of river Avon the following day.
      If I remember correctly last year was free of such tragedies, remote learning has some benefits.

        1. Somehow, I think the original poster missed out a question mark at the end of the sentence. But I suspect you are being ironic.

          2. I think the OP’s intention becomes clear when you read his second post under the first post:-
            Let’s not forget the 1000s of ordinary folk the Tories have killed through their austerity policies. Of course they’ll never get a mention because they didn’t have a ‘Sir’ in front of their name.

        2. Too many tourists and prices have rocketed. I know of one B&B which was £20 a night a couple of years ago is now £95 pp since the NC500 took off.

      2. I’m just having a whinge, Spikey! Sorry!
        How are things going with you – apart from your very sore chest?

        1. No prob Sue, my ‘not nice’ was directed at the news, whinge away my dear, no apology needed
          Other than my chest I’m ok and looking forward to getting back on the road, I’m not used to sitting around although I’ve caught up on my crossword solving

          1. Yes, its been a peculiar sort of a day. People falling out, and saying odd things and a man, going about his work, has been murdered. His wife and five children must be devastated. It put’s things into perspective. I’ve seen my sister and BiL today for the first time in 22 months! they’re over from Greece for 10 days to see my nephew and his family in Bishopbriggs. The last time they saw their younger granddaughter she was a tiny baby and now she’s nearly 2! And they’ve never even met 3 of our grandchildren! Strange old world! Hope you feel a bit better very soon!

          2. That was nice for you, I’m lucky in a way, I saw all my family at my late wife’s funeral in May. I’m sure I’ll be ok in a few day – thank you

      1. I’m not Scottish!! The comments were shocking! Gawd! They even dragged Thatcher into their hate-fest!
        I live amongst these knuckle draggers, and loathe it more each time I read their bile!
        But thanks for reading on!

        1. Not at all, Sue, I lived there for many years in Banff – I can speak and understand the Doric – but I understand about the knuckle-draggers.

          Time to move?

          1. My old man is from Buckie!
            When I first moved here 42 years ago, it was all a bit of banter -Geordies/Scots stuff, – and I gave as good as I got! Now, I don’t bother even opening my mouth. It’s nasty, hate-filled bile, and it comes spitting out of the SNP cult members/politicians, like venom.
            Sadly, I’d love to leave but family are here!

          2. Well it was like that in the 1980s when I was married to a Scot.

            The first time the insults started, I couldn’t believe my ears. I thought it was a “joke”. Not a bit of it….

          3. In the early ’80’s I could still stand on the terracing at old Murrayfield, amongst the Scots, and cheer for England at a Calcutta cup game! Now I have to sit on my hands, in the stands because of the nastiness!
            I find it jolly depressing!

          4. Ouch. That’s the same in Wales, Sue that I also have experience of.

            Take a punt on Kindle and buy my Autobiography Not A Bad Life, only USD 5.00

          6. Understood, Sue, the poison seems to come from the SNP alone.

            Funnily enough it was during my time in Banff, that the local Conservative MP was unseated by Salmond and I had to escort him around where I worked, at Caribonum in Turriff, while he glad-handed so many thick individuals. I was aghast.

          7. That would be, Sue, about the same time I left 5-7 Fife Street Banff. Then it was a happy town and people looked out for each other, no matter your origin.

            I fear it has changed, injected with the Salmond/Sturgeon poison and the people can’t/won’t see it. On their heads (Heids) be it.

          8. Bonny Banff! My family are from Turra, Banff, Macduff and the rural areas around! None of the many aunts or uncles are still alive but still have plenty of cousins and their children and grandchildren. I love it there. Apart from the weather, I’d retire there if I could.

          10. In reality, I would find it hard to live up there. Always good to dream though. Goodnight Nanny.

    6. Obviously a follower of Ash Sarkar who claimed in 2019 that ‘Tory austerity had killed 120,000 people’.

      1. As a outsider looking in i can see why something like this would happen.
        Lockdowns,energy costs,uncertainty.I’m surprised its taken so long.

          1. Someone was talking about the echo-chamber that is social media, and I suppose if you listen to, or read the same stuff over and over again, it takes on an aura of ‘truth’.

  73. I didn’t know it was an NHS holiday today (at least up here) until I tried ringing the surgery as I’ve torn a muscle in my chest when on a recovery the day before yesterday

    2. All gone home early. It is Friday.

      My GP practice is not open at weekends and you can’t use their E.Consult either.

      Take it easy Alec. Perhaps A & E.

      1. Thanks Phil, A&E is 75 miles away and i wouldn’t put the ambulance service to that trouble of taking me (it’s too painful to drive). Ibuprofen gel and Paracetamol will see me through although this might herald the end of my recoveries – but I’ll recover in due course (geddit?)

          1. It certainly is – coughing, blowing my nose, passing wind….all painful. Little sleep last night. I’ve been there before with my back and it will slowly ease

  74. British Conservative MP David Amess knifed to death in Belfairs Methodist church, Leigh-on-Sea 12:00 today. One man arrested, no more being hunted for.

  75. Matthew Paris licking BBC rrse on Radio 4 at the moment. He’d make a good Limp Dem. His husband, Julian, thinks he does a fine job of rrse licking.

  76. <b>Stephen Kish appeared as Sizzlin ‘Steve on the Officially Amazing children’s show. A former CBBC host has admitted to having a disgusting stash of animal pornography on his phone. Stephen Kish admitted to possessing extreme animal pornography.
    Former CBBC presenter who had ‘revolting’ animal porn on his phone and laptop has been spared prison after a judge told him he ‘betrayed his loyal viewers.’

    Wait till they find the ones with ‘kiddies’ on them The BBC really knows how to recruit children’s programmes presenters. Is the judge a fan of CBBC perhaps?

      1. I got that wrong once, and never been allowed to forget it:
        “Are bears Catholic? Does the Pope shit in the woods?”
        :-((

        3. There was a joke about baptising bears I used to know. The punchline was that the Rabbi, who was severely mauled, reflected that perhaps circumcision wasn’t the best approach 🙂

        1. And his colleague from York. Welby came to Guildford Diocese the weekend before last, to answer “Big Questions” from us proles. I didn’t go, I had paint drying, which needed to be watched.

      3. DO bears defecate in the woods? I thought that they’d have nice little disinfected cabins…..

        I’ll get me trowel.

          2. I don’t know whether you ever visit Norwich, but Sainsburys in Pound Lane (Thorpe St Andrew) was one of my projects. When I moved to Laing Eastern, I took a caravan with me, to use as a base for house hunting. It was sited at Burwell, near Newmarket, for a few months, but as completion of my purchase of a house in Thetford drew near, I parked it on site for one final night, when the site facilities were somewhat basic. I made it to the ‘thunderbox’ before retiring, but as I stood up, my rubber torch fell from the pocket of my Barbour jacket, into the bucket. I didn’t attempt to retrieve it…

          4. Hmmm. Never really thought about it, but my first thirty years were outside Carlisle city boundary, followed by ten in Thetford. A couple of years in Woking. Otherwise I’ve lived in Hindhead, Seale and now Normandy (Surrey, not France). So I’m only one quarter townie…

          5. I am a bogus countryman – though my mother’s family were farmers for 100s of years!

          10. I visited the Pound Lane Sainsbury’s on a number of occasions when I lived just outside Norwich, Geoff, but since it was on the other side of the city my visits were few and far between. I also visited the city centre store on Queen’s Road, but the other store on the western side of the city, on the Longwater Retail Park, was my usual one.

          11. When I was much younger, we used to spend a lot of time in Norwich but I fear our regular haunts are long gone – Studio Four, The Bedford Arms (Jazz) Samson and Hercules (Ballroom dancing), The Corn Hall (Wrestling) Elm hill (Quaint) The Firs (Norwich Speedway), Carrow Road (Norwich City FC).

            I joined the Royal Air Force as a boy in 1960 and moved away, learned a trade and was posted to faraway climes – Royal Air Force West Raynham (North Norfolk) – more Norwich nights out but then Royal Air Force Laarbruch (Germany) a whole new experience – and I can still use PlatDeutsch to be understood from Bavaria to Berlin.

            Happy days that are now long, long gone.

      4. Funnily enough I said “Is the Pope a Catholic” to my wife yesterday, and we just looked at each other and realised that the phrase is now probably about to become extinct!

      5. Speaking of matters religious are you aware that the 35 mosques in Cologne have been given permission for the muezzin call to prayer?

        I wonder if they allow Church bells.

        1. Strange how they want to move to a different culture country – – then alter it to become EXACTLY what they left…..

        2. For now, perhaps. I’m reliably informed that the new world order will have one religion: Chrislam. I’ve yet to find out whether that has room for organs, or should I grow a beard and learn the Adhan?

    2. Perhaps I’ve led a sheltered life, but WTF is “animal pornography”? Stallions serving mares? The Bull in the Bowler Hat?

    2. Thanks, Michael. I unsubscribed from the Speccie a couple of weeks ago. I can still see the blog posts, and access the comments via Disqus, but the ‘toons are out of bounds. :-((

  78. Re. Sir David Amiss MP – some comments below have been frankly beyond the pale. He seems to have been an honourable man – a rarity in the House. The killing of Jo Cox attracted much undeserved bile by the left towards anyone to the right of Tony Bliar. After the last 18 months, I despise the Tories, since I have conservative values (remember them?). I resigned from the party in January, and have only just recovered the membership fee which they stole from me in August. Amiss was a Brexiteer, had a sound voting record, and was well-liked in his constituency. Let’s not sink to the depths frequented by the Left, OK?

    3. I don’t know him or his record. It is sad that anyone should be killed in the course of doing their job.

    4. Whilst I agree 100% Geoff, it really is about time that our useless Home Secretary is replaced by someone who will secure our borders and implement the actions necessary to ensure their security.

      The prime duty of ANY government of these Sceptred Isles is Defence of the Realm.

      Currently it is lacking.

      Boris, what are you doing to meet that first principle?

      This is the question that should be on everyone’s lips.

  80. Here’s the article about pigeon shit that RCT referred to earlier.

    For Remainer zealots, the EU can only ever win

    At home and abroad, their ignorant dislike for Brexit means they can only ever blindly take Brussels’ side

    RUTH DUDLEY EDWARDS

    ‘The injunction never to play chess with a pigeon is always applicable here,” wrote Kathy Sheridan, a long-standing columnist for the Irish Times on Wednesday, in an article with the headline, “How will EU look if UK’s strutting desperation for a win is rewarded again?” Incensed by the Tory MP Bernard Jenkin’s explanations on Newsnight about the context in which the Northern Ireland Protocol had been agreed, she reached for the arsenal of sneering invective which pro-EU obsessives, in the UK and beyond, have been using ever since the referendum went the wrong way.

    Like her colleague Fintan O’Toole – a clever man who wrote a staggeringly stupid book about Brexit, which represented Leavers as masochistic Little Englander colonels, lamenting the death of the Empire, and who was therefore hailed as exceptionally wise by The Guardian and the New York Times – Sheridan’s journalism is typical of how some of the cultural and political elite have come to view Britain and the EU.

    It shows not only extraordinary ignorance about the UK, but a pathetic belief in the moral superiority and intellectual brilliance of Brussels. This has become a distinguishing characteristic of Remainer zealots in recent years, who have chosen a team and can see no wrong in their captain’s decisions because they so hate its opponents. Unlike the squalid British government, the EU is pure in its idealist protection of the rules-based order, it shows no self-interest, and plays no games.

    Since the referendum, I’ve been reading and listening to tsunamis of abuse about the wicked and shambolic British government in both parts of Ireland as well as the UK. Hilariously, as with Scotland, people who shout proudly that they are nationalists denounce the British desire for sovereignty as being toxic xenophobia.

    It is strange that so many have been afflicted by this syndrome in Ireland. That the country was ferociously bullied by Brussels to rerun two referendums to get the right answer, and that the Irish economy was sacrificed in the interests of German bondholders after the 2008 financial crisis, has been expunged from the national memory.

    But it is a distinctly odd phenomenon in Britain, too. These people cheered along when, under Leo Varadkar, the Irish government was weaponised by the EU to block any attempts to use virtually invisible technical solutions to enhance the existing land border. They were delighted to inform Brexiteers that the pain of the Northern Ireland Protocol was an inevitable consequence of Brexit, and that no article or line could ever be changed lest it endanger peace in the province. Michel Barnier, a distinctly average French politician, was elevated to a form of Remainer sainthood. Every setback for the UK in negotiations was greeted ecstatically, and mistakes made by the EU – which included almost absent-mindedly suspending Article 16 until the screams of horror caused a reverse ferret – were ignored.

    But now the EU has moved. Reality has begun to strike in Northern Ireland, Lord Frost has played a rough game, Brussels has rescued unread papers from the rubbish bin, and has changed its tactics, magically finding that half of its pointless but compulsory checks can be abandoned after all. Its latest concessions, announced this week, are far from being enough, but they have something in common with the Brexiteers’ “max-fac” proposals so comprehensively denounced just a few years ago. At the very least, they imply a recognition in Brussels that the original deal, so “brilliantly” negotiated by Barnier, may not have been so brilliant after all.

    Can we expect some humility from the Remainers, that they might reassess their view of the EU or of those despicable Brits? It’s doubtful. The beauty of their position is that, by definition, Britain can never come out on top. “The pigeon just knocks all the pieces over, s—- all over the board, then struts around like it won,” wrote Sheridan. Then again, with events catching up as her deadline loomed – she did end up with the admission that Jenkin “had got one thing right. ‘Six months ago, the EU would never have entertained any of the changes they are now proposing. They’re recognising reality,’ he said happily.” So perhaps there is still hope, after all.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/10/14/remainer-zealots-eu-can-ever-win/

    1. I have yet to be contradicted when I say that the Good Friday Agreement contains no reference as to how the Republic/NI border is managed.

  81. DT Headline:
    Stanley Johnson teams with think tank in call for carbon tax
    The PM’s father has said carbon taxes have ‘immense potential’ to ensure the UK achieves its ‘s Elites achieve their greend goals

    2. Stanley Johnson should be Incarcerated in the Tower for the period of his son serving as Prime Minister.

      It will not be a lengthy sentence …

  82. Last news seen from the murder – – he’s 25 – no description. And his age is important because . . . .????

    1. It distracts from his ethnicity? I see the late lamented MP was very keen on helping immigrants. Much good that appears to have done him, reading between the lines. No doubt the perpetrator will morph into a “right wing extremist” some time soon.

  83. That’s me gone for this rather sad day. There will be a lot of hot air about “tackling knife crime” etc etc but bugger all will be done.

    I hope to join you tomorrow.

    A demain.

        1. Wait for it:

          “Known to the police; mental issues; confused by strange environment….NTDWI…”

        2. Well – if true – he’s now “unreturnable” to Somalia — they’ll refuse him – – – he’ll have millions OF OUR TAXES spent on keeping him warm, dry, fed, healthy, clean etc etc. Scum like that care for HIMSELF – – HE – – will be better off than most of us – ALL his care is FREE. In other words – – BETTER than what he’d be back in Somalia – When released, he will be among us AGAIN – – costing us MORE – – As well as being a death threat. Give scum like that a better life – – and they’ll murder anyone to keep it. BUT – – the idiots who want ever better, easier “punishment” – – and the scum will keep doing it. Everyone who turns up now is brought in and released – – how many more decent innocent people have got to be murdered so our taxes can be spent on their killers wanting a FREE life here ???

          1. This is why, Walter, I have always advocated that the scum gimmegrunts who illegally shew up on our shores, having ditched all their ID, should firstly be confined in a camp, concentrated on St Kilda, until their nationality is known.

            Should there be no viable identity and no co-operation from the gimmegrunt, it needs to be made known to them that failure to identify their land of birth will result in their being marooned, at midnight, on a deserted Somali beach, wearing nothing else but their underwear. This will happen, regardless of sex, within 24 hours of internment. Take your choice.

            God, strewth, I wish I was Home Secretary!

      2. Oh well, in that case it will disappear from the front page by tomorrow, and there will be several articles about how dangerous far right wingers will now demonise the poor Somali community.

    3. Another murder by one of our incomers. No real difference from every other poor soul that has been murdered by these types, except that this was someone in the public eye and MPs will no doubt receive msm attention and more public security. The rest of us will still be further endangered by the ongoing importation of terrorists. We have enough of our home grown radicals and unhinged individuals, we do not need any more.

  85. Evening, all. I have now swapped Oscar for a rat! He came back from the groomers looking half the size he went in! Both he and the groomer seem to have survived Round Two, fortunately. At least he can see where he’s going now. I barely recognised him. If I’d had to pick him out of a line-up of other Fox Terriers, I think I would have struggled 🙂

    1. Have you watched: “Girl with the Dogs”? On You Tube. She is a dog groomer, quite enjoyable to watch as she deals with various dogs from the difficult to the serene. Does cats too. I find her quite entertaining.

    2. Any chance, Connors that you can train our friend, Oscar to spot Somalis, Muslims, Murderers, child rapists and the like and to bite their testicles off?

  86. I just logged in and read the sad news about David Amess. The Mail have a round-up of six MPs who have been murdered since the war. Only one is Labour, but guess which one we keep hearing about all the time, with accompanying condemnation of the hoards of Nazis that apparently roam our streets, criticising mass migration.

      2. Who had claimed asylum in Norway some months ago.

        Nothing to see here, folks, move along.

  87. I can’t believe it!
    I’ve had a hunt through the British papers and nobody has blamed Putin………yet.

    1. None of us will be surprised to hear the murderer was Somalian. Why do we have so many of these backward, dangerous Somali ‘people’ here? Do any of them live normally?
      No doubt he was a gentle misguided thing who loved his Mum.

      2. There is an extremely high level of unemployment of Somali men in the UK. It is quite likely that for the last several hundred years in their homelands they expected the women to do all the work. Walk five miles for water…prepare the food…the women to live in a guarded hutch so other somali men couldn’t capture them to do the same thing for them……consider goats to be more important than females.

        WHERE IS THE FEMINIST INDIGNATION !

        Nowhere to be seen.

        We now live in a multicultural world where all base denominators have equal value.

        PS. He didn’t love his mum he probably fucked her.

        Still, that’s desert people for ya.

        2. First question, Philip, why are they here?

          To what allegiance to we owe them?

          None – throw them ALL out.

        3. To say there is an extremely high level of unemployment amongst these savages, implies some of them work ….. 🙂

    2. On the report on GB News the reports were very happy to describe the murderer of J Cox as an extreme right wing terrorist when it was clearly established that the man was mad and not politically motivated or involved with any terrorist group. However the reports were not allowed to suggest that the Somalian murderer might have been a terrorist.

      Is anyone surprised by this?

    3. Because of the ‘jobs’ that I have had, I need to know what is the ‘Symptom’ and what is the ‘Defect’, regarding the murder

      The Symptom, is that a Somali killed an MP

      The Defect would be uncovered by an investigation into how the Somali entered UK, via

      An approved immigration system

      Dover Express, in a Rib (Rigid Inflatable Boat)

      Back of a lorry as a Stowaway, or Passenger
      Smuggled in any way

      Then, if the Government has the Sphericals, it can put ‘The full weight of the Law into closing down that route

      This is still our Country, only just, but we must protect ALL our citizens, this includes young girls in Rochdale

      Boris and Co must not be allowed to get side-tracked into just investigating the Murder, we must Lock Up Shop, to try to prevent another

      1. Sure;y the symptom is that an MP was killed amd the defect – the cause was that a Somali did it. Thus the solution is deportation of all immigrants with a criminal record, and end to all immigration without incredibly stringent checks and the removal, immediately of all illegal immigrants.

        Longer term, the vaccine is to forbid all welfare to immigrants, a one strike and you’re out policy, an absolute end to pandering, an expectation to competely, thoroughly and utterly integrate. Refusal leading to deportation.

        Should anyone oppose these actions, such as preventing aplane from taking off – then the plane takes off, with the hinderane on board, and they are also deported and refused entry.

        1. A Defect, is a failure in Design
          A Fault is a failure of a normally operatng System. We have had many murders , child grooming etc , by immigrants, which
          are always ‘Stand Alone Cases, ie Manchester (22 Dead) we need to investigat e the whole saga
          There are horredous DEFECTS in our immigration control systems
          Our Immigration Control is, if you get toDover, you are on the Gravy Train

          All immigrants arriving at Dover(ish) should be sent to live at 11, Downing Street
          Then we may get some control of our Borders back

  90. When is this Government, unlike its predecessors, going to get a grip on its job?

    The first, foremost and fundamental duty of any government is to protect the safety and wellbeing of its citizens. Well, I don’t feel safe in this country. I don’t think the money it takes from me is being well spent, whether that be on HS2, foreign aid, track and trace, whatever.

    I don’t think the government is protecting us from illegal immigration with all the cost and threat that brings with it.

    I don’t think that Net Zero is worth the candle, it’s going to cost too much for too little reward.

    And I don’t think today’s events are something that a government that had us, the indigenous British people, at the forefront of its mind, should have allowed to happen.

    I’m sick and tired of this, we need a new government. Fast.

      1. Have we enough members, have we enough cash?

        Who will pen the Manifesto?

        I’d go for it if it were viable.

    2. You’re right, on every count. The state doesn’t care. It never has, never will.

      No, we don’t need a new government. We need democracy. Boris announces his madness and we simply say no. He presses on with a tax hike, we say no. He brings gimmigrants in and we ask what the home office is doing to stop them. If nothing changes, then it’s senior management are removed.

      Referism, recall and direct democracy. End of story.

          2. 340054+ up ticks,
            Evening M,
            There are many that will call out LOUDLY
            for a new party one one hand whilst in the other firmly grip a lab/lib/con membership card with NO intentions of helping construct an alternative.

            Proof being many of the herd got together successfully for the referendum only to return to the pro eu rubber stamping lab/lib/con brussels assets after victory.

            The majority of voters have the brains of
            rocking horses.

          3. Sorry, yes. That’s what I meant. I was a bit distracted (UKIP and referendum being pretty much synonymous).

          4. Unfortunately, Connors, UKIP and their ilk are long gone – we have no one to vote FOR, only those we would rather vote AGAINST.

          5. Unfortunately, Connors, UKIP and their ilk are long gone – we have no one to vote FOR, only those we would rather vote AGAINST.

          6. 340054+ up ticks,
            Evening NtN,
            Many a real UKIP ex member are still around and as I, will support the nearest candidate party leader that follows the Gerard Batten policy’s.

    3. We all keep asking these questions, Iffy, but the current, entrenched, bunch of wanquers, couldn’t give a flying turd for all the questions, to which we, the electorate, who put them there, want answers to.

  91. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10096107/Police-swoop-road-outside-building-MP-David-Amess-holding-constituency-surgery-today.html

    Ah, of course. A gimmigrant.

    And the police are looking at protecting politicians. Of course. What about the rest of us? The political class have inflicted these effluent on us. They’re murderous savages, barbarians barely above living in trees. Stop bringing them here. Stop letting them pour in the front door. Just get rid of them.

    1. If it takes 15 to guard a mere Mayor, then 650 x 15 = 9750 required …..Just second them from Hurty feelings monitoring that should do the trick.

      1. If khan wants protection he should pay for it – personally. Or, from his obscene salary which should be reduced by 90%.

        That he needs it shows how disgusted people are with him.

  92. Good evening. Busy day and just caught up with the news.
    I see another grateful refugee has expressed his thanks in the only way he knows.
    The media must be gutted that he isn’t a white Englishman with a taste for Germanic symbolism.

  93. 340054+ up ticks,
    May one ask,without castigation who is safe within these Isles now that the political fraternity has lashed down the safety valve and pressures are building on multiple fronts ?

    1. Good point ogga. Until we face the Islamic threat in a realistic way things will get worse. When I heard of this murder I immediately thought of the school teacher who is still in hiding for daring to do his job.

      2. 340054+ up ticks,
        Evening JR,
        The only one that fronts up to that rapidly nearing
        confrontation I can see is Anne Marie Waters, I do fear the majority of the herd will once again be taken in by the farage patter seeing as he
        was / is in reality very pro tory as proved.

  94. ‘Night All
    Murder you say………..
    No.no,this MP is merely “lost” like those 22 souls in Manchester……….
    I note the hysterical calls for ever more protection for politicians surely they should have no more protection than any other citizen are you listening Sad Dick??

    1. I have to agree that people get hysterical about this sort of thing. Reality is that in this country, thank God, the murder of politicians is an extreme rarity. I fear that these sort of calls if taken seriously will implement measures that are yet another symptom of the totalitarian mentality we seem to be slipping in to. One brick at a time.

      1. Is all not what it seems? Poppiesdad said immediately ‘who paid him?’ (the Somalian). Patel was pretty hot off the mark to announce the introduction of new measures and, as you say, takes us further down the road to destination totalitarianism.

        In passing I thought Johnson’s comments were weak and mealy-mouthed.

    2. The problem is simple – the Left protect the criminal if they’re alien. There’s no end to excuses and protections. Anything to cover up the problem and inflate the alien community.

      1. 340054+ up ticks,
        Evening W,
        I no longer see it as a left / right issue but as a right / wrong one, it does simplify matters.

        1. Since 1997 when Blair forced many millions of people on this country he’s been responsible.

          The fifth column neeed a beating.

    4. When something happens to ordinary folk, there are just expressions of regret and lessons to be learned.
      When it happens to “one of us”, something often gets done. Likely the wrong thing. So, this will likely lead to each MP having their own protection, not improved protection for the average citizen as well.

  95. 340054+ up ticks,
    A young lady died at the murderous hands of a white guardian of the law,
    avoidable if the signals had been heeded, they were not so someone dies
    that is the terrifyingly sad state of affairs.

    Peoples MUST die before brief attention is taken and very little if anything is done.

    Will this latest have any affects on the DOVER illegal entry campaign sadly I think not, and that fact means more will die.

    1. Yes, but when a white man is the killer, there’s a whole slew of effort put in to fight back.

      When foreigners kill there’s a massive hush up to keep it all quiet. The BBC goes in to overdrive to protect the offender. Nothing is held back to ensure the alien is endorsed and protected.

    2. Remember the three young men killed by an asylum seeker in the Reading park last summer. Soon hushed up and forgotten.

      2. They were gay. If their murderer had been a white heterosexual man, then the press would have screamed HOMOPHOBIA. As he was a Muslim who admitted the murders were an act of jihad, the press played it down.

        1. Heterosexual is an abusive word in UK at the moment, what does it mean, ducky (sarc, as if you did not know)

  96. Patel wants more protection for MPs. If she has stopped them coming that MP may still be alive. DO WHAT YOU ARE PAID TO DO- – and NOT just protect yoursef Priti !!!!!

    1. Stricter rules must be brought in to control the people. That is the only viable way forward. More concrete blocks in front of theatres are required.

      1. And Internal UK Passports, if you travel more than 5 Miles form your home

        Then of course you will have COVID passports

        These rules will only apply (of course ) to Whitey

    1. He was also concerned for animal welfare and quite possibly against unstunned halal slaughter.

  98. A policeman kills a girl, the media are all over the policeman. A muslim jihadi kills an MP, the media are all over the MP.
    Questions are asked about the running of the police force. No questions will be asked of the adherents of islam.

    1. When the gates to here were said theyd be opened – milliond here said NOOOO – – the govt knew better – – how many decent, innocent people in this ( what WAS ) a beautiful safe country, have been raped, murdered, drugged, abused and any other crime – – by the piles of human??? s**t that have arrived here since ???

  99. Life in UK, today

    In April, we bought and had fitted, some carpets. The Lone Ranger (LR) and his crew of Masked men (well they seemed to be male) did the work. VG

    We needed more floor coverings, visited the shop, decided what we SWMBO wanted .

    LR came today, still masked gave us a price, ‘The Boss’ paid and off he went in his 21 Reg car.

    And we still have no idea what he looks like, well apart from his car

    See title of post

    1. …and when do we hear from The Home Secretary about how she will end this invitation to murderers to come, invade our shores and murder our population – MPs or otherwise?

      1. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

        Never ever.

        We have Nottlers who are good with ‘puters: can they check how many Christians are Cabinet Ministers in

        Saudi Arabia
        Iran
        Iraq

      2. As I posted further back – – that bag of sh1t will now be kept, warm dry fed bed NHS etc etc. ALL FREE. NEVER got rid of. Kill someone here – and they get a BETTER life for it. AND THE GOVT KEEPS WAVING IN ALL OF THEM.

    2. In some news stories he was described as a British man of Somali origin. Makes him sound much more acceptable doesn’t it (/sarc).

      I wonder if it will be like the Norwegian and nz murders where the police admit that the murderer was under observation for potential extremism.

        1. Coming in late to the discussion, this trend of crying protect the MPs comes across as a rather sick response.

          An MP might be a symbol of government but giving MPs guards is only hiding the issue, not solving the underlying issue.

        2. 340054+ up ticks,
          Evening TB,
          Also think about those who continue to hold lab/lib/con membership cards THEY are the ones who for the last three plus decades have been making the bullets.

        3. How long did the tweet last, Belle? No doubt twitter has removed it by now. Can’t have the intolerance and diwersity race replacement plan hindered with annoyances like the truth

          The hideous evil of the Lefties on there, the venom, the spite and sheer wretchedness is pathetic. Such should be exposed and made to account for themselves publicly.

      2. I see they are already describing the Norwegian Islam convert as ‘having mental health issues’.

    3. More importantly, 25 year old Somali Muslim gimmigrant. Let’s stop pretending.

      Ah, but the BBC will ensure this si hushed up. They’ll get nice friendly muslims in and keep it all quiet. Probably blame ‘da patriarkey’ or some such twaddle. No doubt it’s dw whyte mun as well for not letting him practice his kulchur. Except of course, stabbing and violence is his culture.

      Truly, round them up, force them into a pen and airlift them away. Hundreds and hundreds of miles away, then drop them from 10,000 feet.

  101. Good night all

    Singing* cockles & mussels alive, alive -oh.. in garlic butter, with a bottle of white Rioja.

    *You might want to share the mussels, but you do not want to hear me sing.

  102. ‘A 25-year-old British national believed to be of Somali heritage, who had allegedly been lying in wait for the MP, was on Friday night being questioned on suspicion of murder after being arrested at the scene.’

    I understand that Somalis prefer HobNobs to chocolate digestives.

    Don’t let us down.

    2. British national? My back passage.

      Another bloody Muslim gimmigrant. When will the state learn? What can we do to force them to their knees and get rid of these sewage?

      1. Now one of the high hiedyins has been murdered, maybe they will pay a bit more attention.

  103. Goodnight, all. My Internet is playing up (dropping in and out and generally making life difficult), so I’m giving up.

  105. Bloody state run broadcasters.

    CBC just led their news with the murder of the MP.

    Killed by a British subject, second murder in a few years after Jo Cox murdered by a eight wing extremist.

    They just cannot help themselves.

    1. Last I heard, it was a British-born second-generation descendant of Somali immigrants, who was a radical Muslim.

      A right wing extremist, in other words. But they are a protected category, so we are not allowed to call them that. We are ordered to respect “Black History Month” by not calling those who murder a “White Privilege” Catholic MP a traitor.

      1. 340105+ up ticks,
        Morning JM,
        Then why are we abiding by “we cannot call them that” in point of fact why are we continuing to support these political overseers that are endangering every bodies lives.

        1. “British Citizen” is indicitive that the killer is neither English, Welsh, Scottish or N. Irish.

          If anything, it shows the danger of giving these people British passports.

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