Saturday 16 October: Women who have fought against prejudice recognise the facts of biology

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576 thoughts on “Saturday 16 October: Women who have fought against prejudice recognise the facts of biology”

  3. Police now saying that the killing of the MP yesterday was a Terrorist action. The suspect is a British National with Somali heritage. MPs now in a flurry about more protection with virtual contact with their constituents being considered.

      1. 340105+ up ticks,
        JM,
        Not unless there is a General Election within a week then there will be a rhetorical issue of fodder for supporting fools.

    2. I suppose it is difficult for the MSM to suppress the news on this killing, if it had just been an ordinary member of the public or someone not so prominent no doubt if it had made the news they wouldn’t have mentioned the murderers background.

      1. You mean like the young Afghan who was stabbed to death recently by another Afghan from a different tribe?

        2. The Beeb mentions terrorism but dances around the “I” word, whilst quickly feeding in the so called right wing terrorist who murdered St Jo.

    4. 340105+ up ticks,
      Morning Cs,
      Any mention about the welfare of the herd, the who ?
      was heard, the herd, you heard.

      1. If you’d like an uptick, ogga1, you’ll need to post in intelligible English. I haven’t the slightest idea what you are on about.

          1. 340105+ up ticks,
            Morning N,
            “It” is of no consequence whatsoever
            I did consider “it ” a lost soul some time ago now I take no heed at all.

            I do try to comment in an honest way as I see issues and appreciate your input.

        3. 340105+ up ticks,
          Morning EB,
          It is just a play on words I really am distraught on reading of your dilemma,
          just a touch of tomfoolery on my part.

  5. The next thing they should do now is for all celebrations of “Black History Month” be taken down immediately, especially by the likes of Sainsbury’s, the BBC and the National Trust.

    It is no longer acceptable for them to gloat about a murder of an innocent man by continuing to venerate the murder of a guilty one.

    1. I suggest that all such posters be defaced with “Murderer” and “Remember Amess”.

    2. and we need to deal with the root cause to protect us all. not just papering over the cracks.

    3. Another episode of Black history that will be quickly swept under the carpet. Along with Mugabe, Amin and all the other black leaders with a dark past.

  6. Morning all

    SIR – Women of my generation (I am 65) had to fight very hard to be taken seriously in the workplace and the wider world. We were patronised by male bosses, talked over in meetings and passed over for promotion in favour of male colleagues because of male assumptions about “what women really want” – principally to stay at home with babies. But the effort was worth it: we made real progress and believed that our daughters would have an easier time of it.

    It is therefore doubly galling to be told by a vociferous minority, often male-born, that we don’t know what it is to be a woman. Our understanding is very clear, and most of us believe that biology plays a significant part in it. Menstruation and menopause are our common inheritance. Many of us also experience pregnancy and childbirth. We don’t want to be limited by it, as our female forebears were, but nor do we deny its importance in our lives.

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    According to a Cambridge guide on how to spot “Terfs” (trans-exclusionary radical feminists), such a “conservative, binary, essentialist conception of sex” apparently goes hand-in-hand with “a deep hatred of trans women” (report, October 14) .

    No, it doesn’t: that is a complete non-sequitur. I don’t hate trans women. Why would I? I’m wholly respectful of them. But I reserve the right to claim that my own experience gives me a better insight into what womanhood actually means.

    Kate Harrison

    Oxford

    SIR – I was born a female and do not believe that I am the same as a person born male who has had surgical and hormone treatment and become a trans woman.

    That does not mean I would be rude or abusive to a trans woman. Nevertheless, I defend my right to be a woman and not the same as a trans woman.

    Calling women who hold my view “Terfs” is sexist, abusive and insulting. As to males self-identifying as female, this is the stuff of fairy stories. A man is a man.

    Perhaps the Government should set up a third sexual identity, trans, leaving men to be men and women to be women.

    Annabel Burton

    Cheltenham, Gloucestershire

    SIR – Those who criticise the thuggish tactics of trans extremists in trying to shut down debate do them an injustice. They are acting sensibly by their lights, in that they know, as well as we do, that any debate would show up their novel ideology as clearly absurd.

    So what else can they do but try by all and every means, criminal or not, to shut down all opposition?

    Charles Lewis

    London N2

    Death of David Amess

    SIR – Sir David Amess lost his life while serving his constituents with dignity. Politicians should be free to practise their profession without fear.

    It is our solemn obligation to thwart hatred and injustices. This is the most sobering way of remembering people like David Amess and Jo Cox.

    Dr Munjed Farid Al Qutob

    London NW2

    SIR – We have had two Members of Parliament killed while holding constituency surgeries. I feel these should be held online in future. We cannot guarantee MPs’ safety.

    Muriel Allen

    Coventry, Warwickshire

    SIR – In view of yesterday’s tragic news perhaps Angel Rayner would like to reconsider her recent language about Tories.

    Tim Davies

    Lampeter, Cardiganshire

    1. In view of yesterday’s tragic news perhaps Angel Rayner would like to reconsider her recent language about Tories.
      Exactly the point I made yesterday.

    2. Muriel Allen is a useful idiot. No-one’s safety can ever be guaranteed, although we can try to maximise it. Human interaction is necessary to the proper functioning of society. Grr.

      1. Oppose the strong tendencies for politicians to isolate themselves in their own little bubble. It’s bad enough as it is, without them becoming ever more remote.

    3. FYI – Dr Munjed Farid Al Qutob

      United Kingdom

      A dental surgeon, who is the son of General Farid Al Qutob, Yasser Arafat’s military adviser.

    4. BTL Comment:-

      Robert Spowart
      16 Oct 2021 8:34AM
      I see Dr Munjed Farid Al Qutob spouts the usual duck-billed platitudes without coming anywhere near to addressing the real probable cause of the attack.

  7. SIR – I have spent almost 30 years in general practice with the threat of litigation if a patient came to harm after I had refused to see them personally or had relied on a telephone diagnosis, or indeed after I had seen them but not carried out an appropriate physical examination.

    I find it extraordinary to read in the medical literature that there are now educational aids as to how to “minimise” missing important signs and symptoms in virtual consultations.

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    Surely this is an admission by the medical profession that virtual consultations are not as safe as face-to-face consultations, despite their protestations otherwise.

    Dr M J Banham

    Bridport, Dorset

    SIR – Inexperienced receptionists at GP surgeries are deciding which patients get an urgent call back. Their actions can have serious consequences. It should be enough to tell them you are in pain. Yet if you are unwilling to go into detail, you have to resort to A&E.

    Receptionists do not have the qualifications to decide who needs a same-day call back and who can wait for several weeks.

    Camilla Coats-Carr

    Teddington, Middlesex

    SIR – I am a nurse who re-registered at the start of the pandemic.

    A GP from my practice rang me to arrange both my Covid injections. Yet this is a basic clerical task that does not demand the expertise of a GP.

    I don’t think I’m alone among nurses and doctors who re-registered in wondering why I haven’t been called on to help. Are there not more important roles for GPs than clerical ones?

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    Annie Urwin

    Hitchin, Hertfordshire

    SIR – My excellent GP surgery had shown no information on its website regarding Covid boosters and flu vaccination, until a note appeared recently effectively saying, “Don’t call us, we’ll call you”, about both. I have heard nothing.

    However, I recently received an NHS email inviting me to book a Covid booster for the following morning at a convenient time and location. Trying to find a flu jab was more difficult as I had to contact many individual pharmacies, some doing occasional walk-ins, some by booking.

    Surely we could help overstretched GPs by also moving responsibility for flu vaccinations to the centralised NHS model of participating pharmacies.

    Maryanne Roach

    Amersham, Buckinghamshire

    1. Ms. Roach is lucky.

      My elderly OH contacted his GP surgery about the third jab, and was told brusquely that they had no information about it at all.

      The Government website will not accept him without input from his GP surgery.

    2. Dear Maryanne Roach, you credit the NHS with more ability than it has, despite its overload of administrative dross.

      Until it settles on an integrated system that allows Doctors, nurses, pharmacists et al, to refer to each and every patient your worthwhile ideas are just straws in the wind.

  8. 340195+ up ticks,

    Morning Each,
    May one ask, why are the mass of women making up the herd numbers
    NOT shouting OUT very loudly that apart from some on medical grounds this “trans” issue is complete & utter pelt.

    Bloody hell, men Ideeing as women to get into women’s knickers via prison, would NOT surprise me if a stud fee was / is paid.

  9. Phew for a minute or two i thought they were going to blame the RoP… “A bow-and-arrow attack that killed five people in Norway this week is likely to have been due to the killer’s mental illness, police say.”

    More good news headline in the DT:
    “Ian Maxwell: ‘Court of public opinion has already convicted my sister Ghislaine, but she is innocent’ ….Poor Ghislaine….

  11. ‘Morning, Peeps.

    A couple of comprehensive BTL posts from some DT regulars requiring no additions from me:

    Martin Selves
    16 Oct 2021 4:05AM
    Why would anyone want to murder David Amess? A gentleman who loved animals, his constituency and his Country. He believed in Brexit, God, and service to his Community. It seems to me we have the reasons right there. The murderer does not like this Country, our Religion or our Democracy. Radicalisation within our Country is alive and well, and the freedoms the State give to ordinary people allow these terrible actions to take place. We must not surround our Leaders with a flak jacket where access is restricted or stopped. Ways around this problem must be found, but our freedoms must not be lost.

    This man might be an illegal immigrant, or a boat arrival waiting for due process. Priti Patel will be very worried if he turns out to be either. Or he could have been radicalised in this country, as we know terror cells exist all over Europe. Our Security men must be worried as well. Was he on a watch list, was he a potential danger, should he have been investigated? This man was evil, intent on gruesome murder, and is probably not alone. Behind the scenes we have hard men looking into these horror acts of terror. Those people who witnessed it may never get over it. This is just one more warning the Middle East and elsewhere produce people who have no respect for life, or our Country. Afghanistan is already sinking into a terror camp the Taliban cannot possibly solve. If the might of the USA could not stop it in 20 years, how can the Taliban do it when they practice the same?

    Priti Patel cannot allow 17000 people to arrive so far this year, without huge criticism. We simply do not know who they are. If there was one expense I would fully support is more investment in MI5/6 and our special Police.

    What a sad day for his family and for everyone of us. Here was a man who was a true friend to us all, and a twisted mind has taken him away from us and his 5 children.

    Carolyn Bates
    16 Oct 2021 3:32AM
    Yet again it seems, radical Islam, the supposed ‘peaceful’ religion, raises its barbaric head.

    The slaying of Sir David Amess, in a place of Christian worship is particularly poignant especially when you consider he was there to see members of his constituency. The Southend West MP who served under Mrs Thatcher had been in politics for decades and, listening to the endless tributes pouring in about him last night, was a true gentleman and a well-liked parliamentarian.

    Of course there are now calls for more protection for our MPs, just as there were when Jo Cox was murdered, but the truth of the matter is, if there are lone extremists out there hellbent on murder, there is little that can be done to protect anyone from them.

    There are those who say MPs should not hold monthly surgeries in order to meet face-to-face with their constituents such is the danger they face, although I am sure Sir David would have been the first to disagree with this, as he was a hands-on sort of MP.

    I am not sure what the answer is but, Islamist extremism is now so embedded in Western culture that we should all be afraid, whether they were born here, or not.

    1. “There are those who say MPs should not hold monthly surgeries in order to meet face-to-face with their constituents”. Those who say that are clearly not too fussed that we damage our democracy even further without addressing the problem. The problem is islam. A cult of death that is proliferating in this country because of the delusions of soft-headed loonies, and the determination of the hard-headed implementers of the New World Order under the umbrella of the illogical “multicultural” fraud.

    2. 340105+ up ticks,
      Morning Hj,

      “You are not sure what the answer is” I am bloody sure what the answer is and it does not take a great deal of working out when you have an instruction manual resting between the dispatch boxes containing permission to lie
      to NON believers & halal on the parliamentary canteen menu as pointers.

      Those people who witnessed it may never get over it.

      Agreed a very evil act by the same token there are
      1400 / 1600 youngsters going to carry mental scars to the grave victims of the very same creed still being given succour by the same lab/lib/con cartel supported by in the main the same peoples, until they are ready to change that , NOTHING will change.

      1. Interesting comment on RT News this morning:

        All the West is tending towards more authoritarian government.

        1. 340105+ up ticks,
          Morning JH,
          Regarding the lab/lib/con cartel following I quite believe they are ALL for it.

          Pass the responsibility has been the game for 40 plus years hence the eu was a political rubber stampers delight with 48% of the voting herd in agreement.

          Repress,reset, replace is just a tidying up exercise, sad thing is there are many who will believe it.

  12. Good morning all.
    Dry & cloudy with scattered blue bits at the moment with a somewhat chilly 1°C in the yard.

    Had a walk up to the Kings Head last night for a couple of pints and then across to the Barley Mow for a third. An absolutely beautiful night with the Plough very distinct ahead of me as I went up the hill and a strong waxing gibbous moon behind me.

    By the time I was crossing the fields to the Barley Mow however, the sky had clouded over and was even cloudier as I walked home later.

    1. Good morning B of B.
      “ a strong waxing gibbous moon”

      “Gibbous” – a new word for me. Many thanks for adding it to my vocabulary.

        1. Hi Ndovu, I did say I would pop in 😀. I’m enjoying seeing many familiar names once again. Note to self – must visit NTTL more often.

          2. Greetings Oberst, many thanks. I have, admittedly infrequently, popped in to have a look over the last couple of years and made the odd comment (6 months was the last before today). I promise that I will try to do better!

      3. New words need to be used at least once a day. Try this on the next person you see.

        ‘As its size continues to decrease, the moon dwindled from a mostly-full gibbous to a thin crescent’.

        People will be impressed. :@)

        1. Hi Phizee, very impressive. I will write it on the back of my hand so I can keep practising it. 😂

        2. Better yet, read The Road-Song of The Banderlog.

          It’s first lines read as:

          Here we go in a flung festoon
          Halfway up to the gibbous moon.

      1. I think travelling several hundred, or even thousand light years for a pint is going a bit far.

  13. 340105+ up ticks,
    May one ask without fear of castigation & being labeled a far,far right winger if Southend is given the City title and the case against the alledged terrorist proven will Southend be a haven of safety in regards to
    islamic ideology followers being barred from entry ?

    Plus, now this honouring is in vogue ( NO disrespect to Sir David intended) how about extending it to the herd by way of honouring parties vows, promises & pledges, there is a first time for everything.

    Make Southend a city in honour of Sir David Amess, say MPs
    Parliamentarians from across the board revive Southend West MP’s campaign to upgrade seaside town’s status

  14. ‘Morniing again.

    Here is the obituary for Sir David Amess. We have lost a good man and a true Conservative. We really couldn’t afford to lose either:

    Sir David Amess, well-liked, hard-working and robustly Right-wing Conservative MP for Basildon and then Southend West – obituary

    Amess developed a strong personal following and, as one journalist put it, ‘never completed a sentence without mentioning his constituency’

    By
    Telegraph Obituaries
    15 October 2021 • 5:26pm

    Sir David Amess, who has died aged 69 after being stabbed several times by an assailant while holding a constituency surgery, was a campaigning Right-wing Conservative MP for nearly 40 years, first, from 1983, for Basildon and then, from 1997, for Southend West.

    Blond in younger years, ebullient, convivial and with an “Estuary English” accent, Amess was once described by Robert Hardman in The Daily Telegraph as “one of parliament’s jesters” and “a man who likes to shout when a whisper would suffice”. An outspoken Eurosceptic of many years standing, who strongly backed Brexit in 2016, the closest he came to ministerial office was as Parliamentary Private Secretary for 10 years to Michael Portillo.

    Yet he was an effective and diligent constituency MP, building up a personal following which saw him hold on in difficult circumstances, and as a sponsor of numerous legislative amendments and private members’ bills he probably achieved more than many who acquired ministerial rank.

    The most significant of these were the Protection Against Cruel Tethering Act (1988), and the Warm Homes and Energy Conservation Act (2000). The first reflected Amess’s long-standing concern for animal welfare, in which he incurred the wrath of many fellow Conservatives by consistently voting to ban foxhunting and hare coursing (though he was in favour of capital punishment), and supporting numerous other animal welfare campaigns.

    The animal-related Act, supported by the NFU, banned the tethering of “any horse, ass or mule under such conditions or in such manner as to cause that animal unnecessary suffering”.

    The second piece of legislation, following on from the death of a constituent from cold, required the Secretary of State to “publish and implement a strategy for reducing fuel poverty”. The measure was credited with pushing fuel poverty to near the top of the political agenda, contributing to a dramatic fall in the problem in England from 5.1 million households in 1996 to 1.2 million in 2004.

    David Anthony Andrew Amess was born on March 26 1952 in working-class Plaistow, East London, to James Amess, an electrician, and Maud, née Martin, a dressmaker. As Amess recalled, “we were very poor and lived in a small terraced house with no bathroom, an outside toilet and a tin bath hanging on the wall”. In 2014 he would compile and publish a pamphlet, Party of Opportunity, containing short biographies of Tory MPs with working-class origins.

    David’s mother was a Roman Catholic who brought him up in the faith and he remained a staunch Catholic throughout his life, his commitment reflected in his opposition to abortion and to the broadening of LGBT rights. “Confession,” he once said, “is very important to me.”

    He attended St Antony’s Junior School, Forest Gate, where he was “often in classes of 50, and the teachers still gave us excellent tuition and kept order to a high standard”, and St Bonaventure’s Grammar School, Newham, where he remembered being “quite bossy and pushy” and was rumoured to have once hit a fellow pupil over the head with a bicycle pump.

    Until the age of five, Amess said, he had the nickname of “Double Dutch” on account of a bad stutter: he could not make the sounds “st” or “the” and saw a speech therapist for three years, which also had the effect of virtually eliminating his Cockney accent.

    He took a degree in Economics and Government at Bournemouth College of Technology. Then, after 18 months’ teaching at a primary school (“I specialised in teaching children who were described as ESN”), and a short stint as an underwriter, he became a recruitment consultant.

    A dedicated Thatcherite, Amess contested the safe Labour seat of Newham North West in 1979, and in 1982 became a councillor in the London borough of Redbridge. When the incumbent Tory MP for Basildon, the Right-wing Harvey Proctor, moved to safer Billericay for the 1983 general election, Amess was chosen to fill his shoes and was duly elected. Three years later he stood down from the council to concentrate on his Westminster seat.

    Assiduous and likeable, Amess built a strong personal following by concentrating on constituency issues: the Guardian’s Andrew Rawnsley once suggested that the secret of his electoral success was that “he never completed a sentence without mentioning his constituency”. He retained his seat in 1987, albeit with a reduced majority, after which Michael Portillo appointed him his PPS, a position he retained throughout Portillo’s ministerial career.

    Basildon was regarded as a bellwether seat, and when Amess won it again in 1992, albeit with a tiny majority, it provided the first indication that despite the pundits, and the triumphalism of Labour’s leader Neil Kinnock, the Tories were on course for a fourth successive election victory. He would later describe his campaign in a short pamphlet entitled 1992: Against All Odds! (2012).

    Boundary changes prior to the 1997 general election meant that Basildon was almost certain to go Labour, so Amess decided to look elsewhere, and in 1995 was selected to fight Southend West after the retirement of Paul Channon. Returned to Westminster again, he held the seat until his death.

    Among other achievements in parliament, Amess piloted a bill which closed a loophole that had allowed companies who supply specialist printing equipment to counterfeiters to evade prosecution, and a bill to streamline the re-registration process for driving instructors.

    Though he was unsuccessful in his attempt to push through legislation to establish a memorial to Raoul Wallenberg, the Swedish diplomat who saved tens of thousands of Jews in Nazi-occupied Hungary, his long campaign for Wallenberg to be given public recognition was crowned with success when a memorial designed by Philip Jackson was installed outside the Western Marble Arch Synagogue and unveiled by the Queen in 1997.

    Amess served on the Health Select Committee and chaired the Conservative Party Backbench Committee for Health in 1999. He played an important role in an inquiry into the state of obesity in the UK, which in 2004 found that two-thirds of the population of England were overweight or obese, and made recommendations to combat the problem.

    In 2018 he launched an All-Party Parliamentary Group on Endometriosis with the aim of raising awareness of the condition. In 2020 it published a report revealing that average diagnosis time was eight years and containing recommendations to the Government on how to improve endometriosis care.

    Amess played an active role in parliamentary administration. He also served on the Panel of Chairs, responsible for chairing public bill committees and other General Committees, the Administration Committee and the Backbench Business Committee.

    Amess – who was a lifelong supporter of West Ham United, and also followed Basildon United – was knighted in 2015 and received several awards for his contributions in parliament, including the Animal Welfare and Environment Champion award of the 2011 Dods Charity Champion Awards, and the “Outstanding Achievement Award” at the same event the following year, in recognition of his lifetime commitment to charitable work.

    On October 15 2021, Amess was stabbed multiple times at his constituency surgery in a Leigh-on-Sea Methodist church. He was treated at the scene but died from his injuries.

    In 1983 he married Julia Arnold, a former underwriter, who survives him with their four daughters and a son.

    Sir David Amess, born March 26 1952, died October 15 2021

  16. Charles Moore on the National Trust again. It’s comforting to see him chipping away at the wokery.

    Wanted: a National Trust leader who can be trusted to love its heritage all over again

    The organisation has the chance to restore the faith members once had in it, but it must abandon ideology and faddish exhibits

    CHARLES MOORE
    15 October 2021 • 9:30pm

    The National Trust will hold its Annual General Meeting two weeks tomorrow, in Harrogate. It will be its first real (as opposed to virtual) AGM since Covid. The intervening period has been the most troubled in the Trust’s history, so the meeting ought to be an occasion for frank self-examination at the top.

    The current signs are that it will not be. The Trust management has decided to bristle angrily against critics rather than trying to improve good will. This week, an NT spokesman told the Guardian that it was under attack by “paid-for campaigns that back candidates with ideologies opposed to our values”.

    This was a pointlessly aggressive way to refer to the new grass-roots organisation, Restore Trust. Restore Trust (RT) is explicitly committed to restoring the values which founded the National Trust – the conservation, for the public, of “places of historic interest or natural beauty” – hence its name. To this end, it is endorsing some candidates for the NT’s Council and advancing some resolutions for the AGM. (Voting by members not attending the AGM closes on 22 October: all you need to vote online is your membership number.) RT would not exist at all if there were not widespread disillusionment with the way the NT is being run.

    The plague from Wuhan created genuine, enormous problems for the NT: what do you do if the public are not allowed to visit the houses and gardens you hold in trust for them? But instead of simply getting on with a programme of necessary retrenchment, the Trust allowed ideology to run riot.

    First, an internal report was leaked attacking the “outdated mansion experience” (what you or I would call the careful conservation of beautiful country houses). Next, the “interim” report of NT properties’ links with slavery and “colonialism” was published, creating controversy by its poor scholarship and its judgemental character. Winston Churchill was one of its prominent victims. It also emerged that a “Colonial Countryside Project” was in progress. This took parties of young schoolchildren round NT properties to tell them how wicked the former owners (often donors, too) had been, inviting them to write poems denouncing them.

    As public anxiety spread, many related discontents surfaced. The redundancy programme, partly inevitable because of Covid, seemed to many members of staff to be targeted against older, more knowledgeable employees who did not conform to “diversity” criteria. Curators, the traditional mainstay of conservation scholarship about Trust properties, were cut. The Trust denies this, pointing out that curator numbers have increased. The RT response is that this is largely a sleight of hand, since employees previously called “Visitor Experience Consultants” have been rebranded as “Experiences and Partnerships Curators”, with no increase in expertise.

    As for the far more numerous NT volunteers – the unpaid labour whom the visiting public meet much more often than the staff – these have been fiercely reduced and, some of them claim, rudely treated by management. One of the RT-backed resolutions at the AGM complains that volunteers have not been properly consulted before changes take place. The NT’s legalistic defence is that consultation would create obligations to them under employment law. Surely, if there were a will, the NT could find a way through that one.

    The unease echoes in the membership, which has fallen markedly (despite renewal discounts) since Covid. The phrase “National Trust” has in the past been taken to mean what it says. Members have trusted the organisation. Less so now. Interpretations, gimmicks and “experiences” seem to have taken over from faithful care of the original houses, gardens, landscapes and farms. Respect for the spirit of place, so essential for such a diverse heritage, seems to have been replaced by that of a cross between a didactic museum and a kiddies’ theme-park.

    Stourhead in Wiltshire, for example, is a world-famous example of 18th-century classical style and craftsmanship, in furniture as well as architecture. Yet if you enter its hall today, the first thing that confronts you, blocking the vista to the next room, is a large white cube. One of its faces asks, “Why do objects matter?” Another lists possible objects which the Trust thinks might matter to the visitor, such as “the apron he cooks in” and “That magnet you bought in Barcelona”. On top of the cube lie several objects, including a globe, a teapot and a quill pen. Even if I had ever bought a magnet in Barcelona, or worn a cook’s apron, how would this intrusive display enhance my understanding of Stourhead?

    Something similar happens in gardens, often crowded with instructions saying, “Catch your breath” (Glendurgan, Cornwall), “How has Nature helped you connect?” (also Stourhead) or “Slow your pace and enjoy the place” (generic).

    The interventions can be magnificently unhistorical. At Croome Court, Worcestershire, a mansion with a Capability Brown garden, some Trust showman heard recently that in 1760, the then owner, Lord Coventry, had demolished the cottages of his tenants next to his new house, and evicted them. A pretend 18th-century protest was organised for the edification of visitors: NT employees marched with placards saying, “Down with Lord Coventry!” Coming across this parade by chance, the Coventry family archivist felt compelled to point out that Lord C had actually knocked down his tenants’ houses to build them better ones. The NT pageant revealed the prejudices – and the ignorance – of those involved.

    Amidst assorted troubles, the NT chairman, Tim Parker, resigned this summer, embroiled in the scandal of the unjust imprisonment of sub-postmasters at the behest of the Post Office, of which he is also chairman. So now there is a vacancy. Applications closed this week.

    The appointment process for a new NT chairman makes the election of the Pope look transparent. Britain’s largest membership organisation gives no say whatever to the members, welcoming their money but not their opinions. Its Nominations Committee selects, in secret, one candidate and the Council then approves whoever that may be. There is little chance, therefore, that the existing establishment will cede power to any challenger. Rumour suggests Sandy Nairne, a member of the NT Council and former director of the National Portrait Gallery, and the current (two-term) deputy chairman Orna NiChionna, a businesswoman, as candidates. Both are able people, but both are implicated in what has gone wrong.

    A prominent outsider candidate has come forward at the last minute. Rory Stewart, the writer, traveller, and former government minister, is a dark horse and a lone wolf – if one can be two animals at once – so I cannot place him in any faction. But his commitment to our country’s built heritage and land stewardship (the Trust owns 600,000 acres) is real. I have direct experience of his conservation skills because I visited him in Afghanistan. There, against every possible disadvantage of war, filth and poverty, he had cleared the rubbish which had buried the old city of Kabul, restoring eight acres of old buildings, streets and courtyards and filling them, via his Turquoise Mountain charity, with revived Afghan crafts and workshops. It was about the only Western initiative in that country which succeeded. Rory seemed to love conservation and to know how it can enhance modern life.

    I fear it is the lack of love for the NT’s historic collections, buildings and gardens which is most disheartening about the current leadership. The members feel that love, though, and will respond warmly to leaders who share it. Restoration and reconciliation can be accomplished, but only with urgent change.

    1. Yo HJ

      I am glad that I cancelled my NT Membership two years ago. I also sent them an e-mail explaining why, and of course that I
      had to remove the £20,000 bequest to them from my will (Wink, Wink)

      1. The RNLI were going to get everything i own. The bungalow alone is valued at £290,000. They are getting fuckall now.

    4. It sounds as though Rory has no chance of getting the leadership, unfortunately. He would actually uphold the original values. The NT is trying to ban legal trail hunting on its land, too, even though at least some of the donors were keen hunting people and would have been outraged.

  18. Good morning all

    Remember there are 650 MPs – 1, and 70 million of us , we elect them to micromanage our lives .

    They matter , we don’t.

    They continue to allow foreigners the mantle of Britishness, and make excuses for them .

    This country of ours is feeding educating and housing people who hate us.

    MPs are elected representives , elected by the many, but my experience is that MP’s have created their own toxicity because the majority of them haven’t listened to our pleas of enough is enough .

    ( our local newspapers are full of pictures of men and some women who are not from these parts, who have flooded the area full of drugs and other bad things )

      1. He sounded like a good old fashioned MP, and very likeable , certainly not a chancer .

        His obit was well put together , and his principles were admirable .

        Poor man , the savage who slashed him should be strung up and left to rot.

        1. He was referred to as a right winger.

          I would refer to him as the type of Conservative i would have voted for.

          Good morning.

    3. Belle, it’s not only many of those the government imports that hate us, the indigenous people; many in the HoC hate us as well, hence the problem.

  19. At this moment some female MP is whingeing about the risks. Just stop! When Spencer Perceval the UK Prime Minister was assassinated, nothing changed. No armed guards, no armoured carriages. The use of armed guards and bulletproof cars has happened in our lifetime. Anyone proposing themselves for office should be aware of the risks. To “increase security” yet again is to destroy our democracy, what’s left of it.

        1. Hi Mola, my niece works at City Hall and says that he thinks that the sun shines out of his backside but really he is a major sh1t.

        2. In his previous incarnation as a lawyer he represented The Muslim Brotherhood so i would say he is versed in the Satanic style of Islam.

          1. So he would perhaps favour the IS-K suicide bombings of the Shia mosques the Taliban support in Afghanistan, if he were that way inclined?

    2. They’ve got it the wrong way round, as usual. They should work on making the streets safe places to walk instead. That means getting rid of known non-indigenous problems and the ideology which causes the trouble.

        1. It’s disgusting that there are a lot of immigrants who contribute, who work hard, have decent jobs and are quiet, normal folk who we want here. They may not call themselves British, but they’ve adopted British values.

          The rest are dross.

      1. From someone who’s country assassinated it’s own Prime Minister, Indira Gandhi, and regularly uses mob violence in other to further political ambitions. He really has no room to criticise.

        I looked it up last night. Only 6 politicians in the UK have been murdered since WWII in this country. So that makes it, surely, one of the safest professions in the UK.

    1. Back to living down to his name

      Sad Dick CANT

      cant: hypocritical and sanctimonious talk, typically of a moral, religious, or political nature.

  22. Islam and islamists have caused devastation, murder, rape and fear to proliferate in this country. Even now, the recent murder perpetrated by one of its adherents is being used as an excuse to double down on restrictions of our freedoms and rights.
    The correct approach is surely to ban islam in the UK, lock, stock and suicide belt? The most trivial self-delusional immature narcissistic play actors are banned for being far right neoNazi terrorists. Who here has even heard of the “Atomwaffen Division”, the “Feuerkrieg Division (FKD)” – whose leader was a 13 year old boy-, the “System Resistance Network”, or the Base”? All together they would not fill a village hall as their memberships total a couple of dozen and their terrorism has amounted to putting up some nasty posters and getting involved in the odd fracas with “Hope Not Hate”. (Strangely perhaps, Hope Not Hate is not on the banned list. Possibly because it is funded by the UK government.)
    There can be no acceptable excuse for not banning islam in the UK, publicly and privately, can there?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proscribed-terror-groups-or-organisations–2/proscribed-terrorist-groups-or-organisations-accessible-version

      1. Yes, there are. However the Tamil Tigers have not caused us much bother, nor has the Islamic Army of Aden (IAA). In reality the muslim terror groups all originate from the same wellspring, which is islam. It is islam that needs to be addressed.

        1. To be specific it is Deobandi and Wahabi Islam, not Islam in general. Deal with those in this country and you have dealt with at least 80% of the problem, if not more.

          2. Actually, taquiya is not a Sunni practice, it is Shi’ite And the activity is misrepresented in the West. It differs not at all from the “Noble lie” that a decent person uses to preserve life or prevent harm. To be economical with the truth is a recognized Catholic practice if it is for the good. There are lies and taquiya. I point it out because one of my gripes is that if you don’t understand what the enemy is really doing, you can’t defeat him.

          3. Surely there is taqiyya (deliberately lying) and kitman (lying by omission). Both are encouraged to further the cause of islam. Compare and contrast the Christian injunction not to bear false witness.

          4. Remember that Christianity precedes Islam and many idea that the latter hold are corruptions or borrowings from the former. I suspect that Taqqiya/Kitman derive from Christianity. Taqiyya is a general term for dissimulation. Kitman is choosing to be silent about something and it is no different from the practice of lying by omission that is approved of in Catholicism. I seem to remember that it is to do with saying something will a mental reservation, probably Jesuits! I apologise but I can’t remember the exact term the Catholics use.

            But an example. You are hiding a Jew from the Nazis. You hear a knock on the door and tell your friend to hide in the attic. You answer the door and it is the Gestapo and they ask if you know where there potential victim is. Your answer: “No, I have no idea”. The reason you have no idea is because, strictly speaking, you don’t. He has been moving from the room in which you spoke to him, to the attic. So at the point you are talking to the gestapo you really have no idea where he is. According to Catholicism that is perfectly valid under the circumstances. It is not strictly lying. Although overall it really is.

    2. Agree 100%, Horace, after all Christianity is banned in Saudi Arabia and many other Muslim countries I’m sure.

    1. The man needs a beating. Hang khan from his ankle and beat him with sticks until the sticks break, then get new sticks.

  24. I see that Priti Awful was having a little weep about the “sad” loss of her colleague and fellow Essex MP.

    When will this daft bint wake up and realise that thousands of people exactly like the murderer of David Amess are coming across the Channel EVERY SODDING WEEK?

      1. No it isn’t. On the part of the establishment it is an excuse to dig their bunker deeper and throw the dirt elsewhere as they do. They will never take responsibility because they created the problem in the first place.

          2. I’m not suggesting that. I would suggest that people demand of their own MP’s that, to start with, the Human Rights Act be repealed. That all those who arrive here illegally be imprisoned. I don’t care where, that is not my problem. People need to cause an uproar against the government but instead they sit back and allow it to go on its corrupt way and do nothing. In fact they do worse than nothing. They vote for these fools with all the wisdom of turkeys voting for Christmas.

          4. It is just one of a series of wake up calls. My beef is that we do not take real action. The trouble is that people become habituated to wake up calls and they become ineffective unless action is taken, this is a well known psychological phenomenon. See my reply to Bill right above.

          5. Have you ever tried asking an MP anything? A complete waste of time. They simply trot out the party line.

          6. That is true. My MP a supposedly a Conservative is a slavish follower of Johnsons policies and pro EU to boot. The question is why does she pretend to be a Conservative at all? But the more letters expressing discontent tells them, I think, that the natives are rumbling and unless they are going to abolish democracy and the vote altogether, they had better get their finger out. Presently, we express our discontent on forums like this, we express it in letters to the papers. We do not assault the Citadel when that is precisely what we should be doing. See todays headline on Fox news: “Dozens of ‘extreme’ climate activists arrested after storming Interior Dept and injuring ‘multiple’ officers.” Whilst I part ways with the ideology these people represent. I do not part ways with their method. Sweet reasonableness has got us nowhere in this country. At least, for Christs sake, sack the BBC. Only fear will make these complacent toads move.

          8. How about a simple rule.

            People who arrive without proper passports of verifiable means of identification should be held in prison or detention camps until the matter has been resolved. And if it is not resolved they should be deported to an Islamic rather than a Christian country if they are Muslims.

            At the moment people destroy their identity papers as this makes it easier for them to avoid deportation.

          10. Those who arrive and destroy their papers should be imprisoned until experts in linguistics and other relevant disciplines, figure out where a person is from. An easy task actually, if you know what you are doing.

            Then said person should be deported to that place. In the mean time they will not be fed a Halal compliant diet but food featuring pork as a prominent part of diet.

          11. No, if they are a non-erson then they don’t exist and have no rights.

            No rights, no legal status. They cease to exist. Let’s make that literal. I’m sodding sick of damned wretched, illegal gimmigrants turning up. Execute them. It’s never happened before, why are we tolerating it now?

          12. Why give them anything? Why bother? Lock them in a shipping container and sink it. Blame climate change. That’ll shut the Lefties up as well.

          13. See my comment yesterday on those who destroy their documents.

            I will find it and repeat as it was late last evening.

          14. As posted last evening:

            This is why, Walter, I have always advocated that the scum gimmegrunts who illegally shew up on our shores, having ditched all their ID, should firstly be confined in a camp, concentrated on St Kilda, until their nationality is known.

            Should there be no viable identity and no co-operation from the gimmegrunt, it needs to be made known to them that failure to identify their land of birth will result in their being marooned, at midnight, on a deserted Somali beach, wearing nothing else but their underwear. This will happen, regardless of sex, within 24 hours of internment. Take your choice.

            God, strewth, I wish I was Home Secretary!

          16. The HRA is a travesty. it dictates what we are permitted, whereas freedom is define dby the state denying certain actions.

            Ye,s those arriving here illegall should be housed. Let’s find a shipping container. Drill a few holes for air. After three days, ship them back to France.

            If they try again, don’t drill the holes. Just get rid of the vermin. They’re not wanted, not welcome, shouldn’t be here and must be removed – violently.

        2. Just as they will never accept any responsibility for the collateral damage inflicted by their decisions about Covid.

    2. They are all busily avoiding the elephant in the room.
      I see that the lefties have decided that two MPs murdered in five years is a consequence of HATE. And who causes hate?
      As we all know, it’s those evil far right wing people who disagree with us.

      1. Even GB News which is supposed to be impartial described several times the murderer of Jo Cox, Thomas Alexander Mair, as a man who really did have mental health issues, as an extreme right wing terrorist.’

        As a matter of interest I would be interested to hear how many people in UK have been murdered by Islamic terrorists and how many have been murdered by extreme right-wing terrorists.

    4. Quite honestly I wonder just who is the person responsible for allowing this. I think Patel genuinely wants to get rid of these people but is undercut by those with greater authority. Is it Johnson or what? The fact is that she could act if we were to repeal the Human Rights Act. So why hasn’t it been done?

        1. Hi Bill. Yes, and they are probably to blame since they are all pro EU. But why has the PM said nothing about it at all. Or am I simply unaware of comments on this issue, specifically the Human Rights Act, by him.

          1. Then just go over the line and sink them – sorts the problem for us and the French – no white flags needed.

          2. In sentiment yes. But that would cause international complications and not just with the French, unfortunately.

    1. What’s the betting that

      Lessons won’t be learnt

      as far as importing thousands of potential Islamic terrorists into Britain each year many of whom are illegal immigrants who are never deported.

      1. Actually lessons have been ignored. We still allow these people to come into the country and not deport them. The lesson was learnt long ago and discarded.

      3. No, what will happen is more laws will be passed that add to MP security. New guards, new police, no procedures to further remove them from us.

        As for stemming the flow of excrement, not a chance. They’ll haul in many millions more of these sewage. They don’t care about us.

    2. And of those 43,000+ on terror watch lists in the U.K how many are supposed to be right wing extremists?

      1. The answer can be found in the numbers after the 43 and before the plus sign.

        I’d imagine far more are demented Lefties spouting their pbfe nonsense.

    3. The difference is the EU intentionally, forcibly opened the gates to the illegal criminal muslim rapists. There was no war to keep them out. The EU forced them in, burned the gates and tried desperately to smash down the walls.

  26. Sir David Amess, well-liked, hard-working and robustly Right-wing Conservative MP for Basildon and then Southend West – obituary
    Amess developed a strong personal following and, as one journalist put it, ‘never completed a sentence without mentioning his constituency’
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2021/10/15/sir-david-amess-well-liked-hard-working-robustly-right-wing/

    One thing that is clear in the coming by election the Conservative candidate MUST be:

    a robustly Right-wing Conservative – who is, as David Amess was, a person totally committed to Brexit.

    His memory will be betrayed if this is not the case.

    Boris Johnson is gaining a reputation for ducking or dodging serious considerations. He must not evade this one.

    1. ‘One thing that is clear in the coming by election the Conservative candidate MUST be:

      a robustly Right-wing Conservative – who is, as David Amess was, a person totally committed to Brexit.‘

      Which is why the Conservative Party will not be doing that.

  27. Sir David Amess, well-liked, hard-working and robustly Right-wing Conservative MP for Basildon and then Southend West – obituary
    Amess developed a strong personal following and, as one journalist put it, ‘never completed a sentence without mentioning his constituency’
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2021/10/15/sir-david-amess-well-liked-hard-working-robustly-right-wing/

    One thing that is clear in the coming by election the Conservative candidate MUST be:

    a robustly Right-wing Conservative – who is, as David Amess was, a person totally committed to Brexit.

    His memory will be betrayed if this is not the case.

    Boris Johnson is gaining a reputation for ducking or dodging serious considerations. He must not evade this one.

    1. Good Morning Belle. Since the police and medics were all over the scene that sounds like a rubbish excuse to not allow a priest to administer last rites to Sir David.

    2. Of course he was denied access to a crime scene; anyone else would have been denied access too.

      Why does emotion supplant common sense at times such as this? Members of the public are the first to squeal like pigs when the police are not seen to be doing their job. It seems they also squeal when the police are doing their proper jobs. The vital necessity to preserve the scene is the foremost crucial necessity in any crime investigation; the potential for destroying evidence by cross-contamination is very real; cases have been lost by such carelessness.

      If a religious minister has a requirement to perform a ceremonial “last rites” ritual, it matters not a jot when that is performed. It is certainly not going to resurrect the corpse.

      1. On this rare occasion, Grizzly, I totally disagree with you. The man was still alive – would you also have denied access to a doctor?

      4. It is not emotion. Faith is as real to Catholics as the Sun and Moon. It is more important than life. The “Last Rites” are the Sacrament of Extreme Unction which is preferably administered while the recipient is conscious and able to speak. It is an opportunity for a Last Confession, and for the recipient to enter into a State of Grace (if not already there), making his peace with God, so that the recipient may be welcomed into His loving arms. To prevent it is a moral crime of the highest order.

      5. Crime scene. Stabbed victim. Man with bloodied knife has given himself up. and is being held by policemen. Erm, what more is needed? Oh, yes, more policemen, ambulance men, doctors, forensic blokes in plastic overalls, and yet more policemen to protect the crime scene.

        1. I’ll bet the Somalian Muslim knows full well he’ll get away with it. 4 years, out in 1 back to claiming benefits.

          Utterly sickening.

      6. I think you are allowing your professed despisal of religion overcome consideration for the beliefs of others. As others have said, should paramedics and doctors be denied access to the victim as well, in order to preserve the scene?

    3. This is one of the most disgusting betrayals of David Amess of all.

      His faith was undoubtedly the guiding light of his life and our barbaric police officers have denied him the spiritual comfort of the last rites.

    4. If muslims practiced “last rites” the imam would have been hurried to his side, had he been a muslim, surely?

    2. Good Morning Delboy. Another gloomy day in West Sussex. Typing here with the light on. And good morning to everyone else too.

  30. Just seen:

    In my French class (age 13ish) we were being quizzed about holidays:

    Teacher: Est-ce qu’il y a quelqu’un qui a visité l’Allemagne?
    Boy: Oui, moi
    Teacher: Ah, très bien. Où en Allemagne?
    Boy: Douglas.

    1. 340105+ up ticks,

      O2O,
      She was erased by the treacherous (ino) tory’s, they still
      have the majority blessing of the electorate, deceit & treachery pay well.

  32. I would have thought that the topic of Russell Group universities was not likely to draw forth comments which made the Daily Telegraph uncomfortable and yet a comment I posted last night has disappeared – and indeed all comments have done so and there is no longer any space for readers’ views,

    Revealed: The schools that get the most pupils into every Russell Group university
    Use our interactive tools to discover which schools have received the highest number of offers from the various institutions
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/15/revealed-schools-get-pupils-every-russell-group-university/

    My BTL comment was to the effect.

    Why are Russell Group Universities held as the benchmark when several universities which are in the top 12 – e.g.s St Andrew’s, Lancaster and Bath are not. Of my two alma maters (should that be put in the genitive case – almarum matrum!) UEA and Southampton, one is in the Russell Group and the other is not.

    As far as I can see the Russell Group is very good at promoting itself and many politicians and the MSM seem to accept without question that only Russell Group universities are any good and have a completely misplaced reverence for them.

  33. A puzzled pensioner writes.

    Yesterday, an MP was murdered. This tragedy is described as an “attack on our democracy”.

    Meanwhile – people are being murdered every day – often by those that the government do not prevent from entering the country illegally.

    Why is an MP’s murder more important?

      1. The MPs have allowed these thing to happen and they have not delt with the root of the problem.

        1. Spot on Johnny, it’s them who allowed them in (even encouraged them) in the first place

          2. 340105+ up ticks,
            Morning FA,
            I do beg to differ a little, it is them, that allowed them who allowed them in, in the first place, that surely must equally share the blame.

        2. 340105+ up ticks,
          Morning JN,
          They also still find support in being in a position to allow these things to happen not just of late but for decades.

          Many of the younger members of the herd will carry mental scars for life due to the actions of the lab/lib/con cartel.

          18 Jul 2018 — THE Home Office knew about child sexual exploitation in Rotherham 16 years ago — at least ten years before the Jay Report was ordered

          2. 340105 + up ticks,
            Afternoon JN,
            I know I am right in saying that real UKIP forever called for ” controlled immigration”
            acknowledging the fact that some immigration was needed, but……

      3. Only to themselves. It is long past time they realised they are the cleaner, the hired help. Nothing but temporary managers who’s job it is to do our will, not to continue their own blundering, incompetent, stupid ideology.

        1. While they’ve got the power that they have, they will think what they like. And get away with it.

    4. With the greatest respect for the Murdered MP and his grieving family.
      But no respect at all for the rest of the complacent Westminster mob.
      And Because it shows they are also vulnerable to the masses of mistakes they have jointly made in the past and they still have a knack of wrecking everything they come into contact with. When it goes wrong it’s very noticeable, sadly some one had to die before it was recognised they made a massive error in allowing so many people to arrive here and live in our once safe nation. They bring their prejudices with them, it’s no good the MSM saying British born of the Somali murderer. A lion born at Longleat is still a lion.
      Our whole long established culture and social structure of the UK has now been ruined, it’s been allowed to happen over the past 30 years all due to the complacency of politicians and the civil service. At the obvious and ignored discontent of the public.

      1. If a man is born in a stable it doesn’t make him a horse. Or variations thereof.

        Morning!

      2. Yep.. You don’t see the MSM quoting the Duke of Wellington. He was born in Dublin, I think, and when people referred to him as “Irish” he got a bit ratty,* and said that “being born in a stable does not make one a horse”.

        *I cannot imagine why anyone would wish to upset the Iron Duke. I’d have thought it a bit risky.

        Edit Oops, simultaneous typing..

    5. If this tragedy wakes the other MPs up to the fact that thousands upon thousands of illegal Muslim immigrants are a huge potential threat to the whole nation, then his death will not be for absolutely nothing.

      1. Have you noticed that the M word has not been mentioned at all. The media are scared to tell it like it is. I think there could be mass riots in the UK if this happened. And they have been told to hold fast.
        But IMHO this will happen one day, possibly within the next ten years.

    6. Yo Bill

      Now, would be the perfect time to start a White Lives Matter campaign

      It could mimic the pattern that was estblished when Floyd the criminal died.

      Even the most ardent bame could not argue against the WLM ethos

  34. 16 Logical Reasons Why Some Men Have Dogs & Not Wives:

    1. The later you are, the more excited your dog is to see you.

    2. Dogs don’t notice if you call them by another dog’s name.

    3. Dogs like it if you leave lots of things on the floor.

    4. Dogs’ parents never visit.

    5. Dogs agree that you have to raise your voice to get your point across.

    6. You never have to wait for a dog; they’re ready to go, instantly, 24 hours a day.

    7. Dogs find you amusing when you’re pissed.

    8. Dogs like to go hunting and fishing.

    9. Dogs won’t wake you up at night to ask, “If I died, would you get another dog?”

    10. If a dog has babies, you can put an ad in the paper and sell ’em.

    11. When you squeeze off a silent one, dogs don’t run around frantically with room spray.

    12. Dogs love to ride in the back of a pickup truck.

    13. Dogs never tell you to stop scratching your balls. Instead, they sit pondering why you don’t lick ’em.

    14. Dogs will let you put a studded collar on, without calling you a pervert.

    15. If a dog smells another dog on you, it won’t kick you in the crotch; it just finds it interesting.

    And last but not least

    16. If a dog runs off and leaves you, it won’t take half your stuff.

    To verify these statements, lock your wife and your dog in the garage for an hour. Then open the door, and observe who’s happy to see you!

    1. I’ll go along with all the points, but to be fair, the missus doesn’t roll in fox shit.

    2. My dog’s parent used to live here!

      I have to admit my wife doesn’t mind when I’m tipsy. She finds me quite amusing as I tend to go on long diatribes about Marvel films vs the comics.

      War queen has never asked whether I’d remarry. When I’ve raised it, she just snorts and goes back to her book.

  35. ‘Morning All

    Nothing changes at the Al-Beeb

    Internal BBC News Conference.
    ” Oh shit Tarquin, looks like our perp was a machete wielding Islamic Somalian. How on earth are we going to play this?

    Just keep mentioning That Jo Cox was killed by a far right extremist and
    that this perp was a “British National” and then wheel on some local
    church guy to express his concern about a backlash to the local Mosque .
    Concentrate on MPs’ security then move quickly on to the next story,
    preferably Covid”
    “Sorted”

    1. You aren’t far off – here’s an extract from the BBC report – “The Metropolitan Police said there was a potential link to Islamist extremism. A 25-year-old British man was arrested at the scene on suspicion of murder” My emphasis

      1. There has been no mention of witnesses. No smartphone filming by people nearby. Was the perpetrator the only other person at the MP’s surgery?

      2. Good grief! Well durr -flipping- uuuu!

        Whodathunkit! As if this were not common knowledge and obvious to every, single, sane person?

      1. Sometimes people are really quite different to the “persona” they use on the media to earn money.

      1. Good morning Paul

        I agree with you in that I do not like his personality at all but if you actually listen to what he says here you may find you agree with quite a lot of it.

        1. Yep. It’s actually quite refrehsing to realise he’s not a Left wing moron spouting tripe and actually looks at things from multiple angles, trying to understand them. I can respect that.

        2. Not had the time Richard I’ve been busy trying to sort out a couple of banking problems. I made a payment by phone through an operative to BC on the 7th Oct and some how it did not go through, therefore we ended up with a late payment fine and interest. Trying to rectify these things can be very time consuming and frustrating. Hopefully sorted now.
          Yesterday at our local Tesco store, soon to make some Green tomato chutney, I brought some Malt Vinegar, a packet of raisins and three large red onions. Contactless payment it came to 41.18 pence. It should have been 4.18. The lady who served me made some sort of mistake with the till and could not give me a till receipt and I couldn’t under stand what she was saying. Customer service not available on Saturday’s. After all that, I now have to call into to the shop to sort it out.
          Just listened to him and he’s right, I think the ‘vaccine’ was not at all successful and it was why they have had to try to cover their ars*s by recommending a second jab and even a so called booster.

    3. Richard/Rachel Levine has been informing the good folk of Pennsylvania that they shouldn’t use Ivermectin because, “You’re not a horse”. You couldn’t make it up…

      1. Is that the best they could do? Ridicule has always been used to turn people against something. It is their favourite weapon.

    4. What is going on? I actually found that Jo Brand’s boy, Russell, talks some very good sense on this video.

        1. I know but it’s a joke I invented some years ago and which I still bring out from time to time. But even if it is not true it ought to be!

  38. On a lighter note. Some bloke from Southend got lost in the Cairngorms for two days but lived to tell the tale. Many thousands of pounds and many man hours were expended in looking for him (helicopters do not come cheap). He was correctly kitted out for his adventure, except for brains, and that is what saved him.
    However, you do have to be a special kind of head case to go walking or climbing in the Cairngorms.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-58913261

  39. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10096499/Speaker-Lindsay-Hoyle-demand-police-officers-protect-MPs-surgeries.html

    We get bombed, stabbed, raped, murdereed, knied and it’s fine. An MP get it – and however wrong that is – suddenly ‘they won’t accept it’? Do they think they’re special or something?

    Disgusting creatures, the lot of them. They swamp this country with gimmigrants, mostly violent, mostly lazy welfarists who go on to mechnaically murder, rape, sell drugs and breed and it’s fine, but when they are affected by it… gah, I hate MPs.

    1. Yep, especially as they made private jets exempt from all climate change rules.

      They’re hypocritical scum. However, they’re all now in one place. We could simply solve the problem quite easily.

      1. It all goes to shew the falsity of Climate Change, Covid and Net zero.

        By their own actions, ye shall know them.

    2. Yes, we know. Read the Glasgow Herald for full details. Also several hundred of the visitors will be armed. Joe Biden will be travelling in an armoured car* convoy escorted by his Secret Service men, all armed with pistols, and some with sniper rifles and machine guns. Then there are the African leaders. Their bodyguards will be drugged up and tooled up.
      *The Americans will fly in their own armoured cars.

      1. The Merkins always bring all thir own offensive & defensive gear. Nothing new there.

      2. I wonder if we could persuade the Battle of Britain Flight to load their Lancaster with a Tall-boy bomb and send it on one last mission – to save mankind.

        1. Just don’t start the run until Trudeau is there, our need of a clear out is greater than yours.

  41. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10096499/Speaker-Lindsay-Hoyle-demand-police-officers-protect-MPs-surgeries.html

    No, I’m not going to care more than 24 hours after this event. I don’t care at all. I am appalled at the murder, but it was inevitable. Savages are in this country. Vicious, violent, intolerant, bigoted savages – yes, I mean the Left.

    While the tide of effluent continues, while the fifth column get support, while the moronic fpfb fools are allowed oxygen, while the gimmigrants get free housing, while there is no, frankly, a police state and complete curfew around the black areas and the drug gangs stamped out, while the Bulgarians and romanians fight wars in Peterborough then nothing will change.

    So no, I won’t care. I cannot care. You cover up the truth, you lie, you steal, you cheat, you deceive. White men are all rapists, it’s not pakistani muslims – yes, actually, it is Pakistani muslims. Stop. Lying. Admit the truth. Admit that diwserity does not, cannot ever work. Deport the criminals – and the Lefty white fools who protest. Two thirds of our prison population is muslim or ethnic. Two thirds. There’s a problem. An obvious, evident problem. Denying it is pointless. You’ve had years of forcing this on us and we’ve suffered for it now suddenly you want special treatment? Feck off. You’ve caused this situation. You shouldn’t have forced them on us. You did so out of spite.

    What goes around, comes around. I am truly sorry David Amess was murdered. It was a tragic, awful assault, but until big, fat, useless, nasty state – and Labour especially – admit they are to blame and the entirety of that useless edifice of incompetence that is the government and adminsitrative machine pivots to reversing the nightmare of the last 20 years, nothing will change. It is just disgusting that you’re so up in arms now, when we’ve suffered these creature’s abuses for two decades.

    1. It is inevitable that these murders will continue to happen despite what Priti awful has to say. As I often say, the cancer of the left is now deeply embedded in the state and will kill off its host.

      1. Since she has yet to actually do anything at all about it, these murders and other atrocities will continue – and get more frequent as the country fills up with the scum of the earth.

    2. I hope that the murder of “one of us” will bring this issue to the front of the MPs minds, and that something useful might be done.
      I’m not holding my breath.

  42. The black illegals into Britain bring their own exotic tastes with them .

    Bushmeat trafficking in Europe: a ticking time bomb?
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    27 October 2020
    Thousands of tonnes of bushmeat are estimated to be smuggled into Europe each year, both for personal use and commercial trade. Bushmeat trafficking not only impacts wildlife populations in source countries; there are also proven risks of infectious disease spillover. European authorities should do more to tackle this illegal trade.

    October 2020. The world has been bomb-shelled by a pandemic unprecedented in modern times, caused by a novel corona virus named Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) or COVID-19. As of 27 October 2020, the virus has killed 1,160,389 people worldwide. The death toll is expected to rise further as countries experience second and even third waves of infections. Most countries in the world have imposed lockdowns, social distancing measures and travel restrictions in efforts to curb the spread of the disease. Economies have ground to a halt and many millions of people have lost their jobs and/or livelihoods. The International Monetary Fund foresees the worst economic meltdown since the Great Depression of the 1930s, warning it may worsen if the outbreak can’t be contained.

    The question where the virus originated has yet to be answered conclusively, however the most popular narrative, based on Chinese research published in January 2020 is that the virus spread from the Huanan Seafood and Wildlife Market in Wuhan, China, where various species of domestic livestock and wildlife were kept, slaughtered and sold in unhygienic conditions. Most scientists furthermore agree the virus most likely originated in a bat and may have been transmitted to humans via an intermediate host, possibly a pangolin, which was sold at the market.

    The world’s leading biodiversity experts have predicted that the COVID-19 pandemic is likely to be followed by even more deadly and destructive disease outbreaks unless their root cause – the unbridled destruction of the natural world – is rapidly halted. Rampant deforestation, uncontrolled expansion of agriculture, intensive farming, mining and infrastructure development, as well as the exploitation of wild species have created a ‘perfect storm’ for the spillover of diseases.

    https://www.ecojust.eu/bushmeat-trafficking-in-europe-a-ticking-time-bomb/

    1. I agree with conservation, but I blame chinks in the system, not bats or pangolins

    2. Given that an an eminent French Nobel prize winning virologist identified the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) sequence in the COVID RNA genome, I concur with him that the COVID -19 virus could not possibly have evolved from animal sources.

      His conclusion that it was engineered in a laboratory is supported by the revelation that reports of proposals to fund such work have more recently been identified:

      Leaked documents from a scuttled research grant proposal calling for collaboration between labs in Wuhan and the U.S. military are raising concerns about the dangerous nature of the experiments on coronaviruses possibly conducted prior to the start of the pandemic

      https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4298023

    2. You don’t shame the dog, you feed him. He doens’t know where his next meal is, so he naturally goes to find food that he can smell or see.

      That being said, I was sure I made a chicken and pork pie earlier and left it to cool on the worktop.

      1. My little dog has no chance of reaching the worktop but she can nip my ankles. She has even tried tripping me up before. The little minx.

    3. The one with the dog made me laugh out loud and I woke Oscar up; he’s now complaining loudly.

  45. There is scientific evidence that pineapples may be used as an antiviral agent against COVID-19.

    Here’s a quote from the preprint:

    Most importantly, bromelain treatment significantly diminished the SARS-CoV-2 infection in VeroE6 cells. Altogether, our results suggest that bromelain or bromelain rich pineapple stem may be used as an antiviral against COVID-19.

    Full article here:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7811777/

    I can think of ways that Nottlers may suggest for the application of pineapple treatment but I fear these may be more painful than a jab.

    1. As it is Africa perhaps they thought David Lammy would be more appropriate rather than an over privileged Honky.

      It’s not as if there is any actual work or thinking required for the sinecure.

    2. Whoops! Did he spike their drinks with Midazolam. Seriously, I thought his criminality would endear him to the UN. It gives them leverage, as with the WHO head who’s wanted on terrorism charges in Ethiopia.

      1. Those were my thoughts too – I thought he was being got out of the way in order to lower his profile in the public eye because of the whispers doing the rounds regarding Midazolam. Out of sight, out of mind….. it never happened…

    5. I guess they’ve just found out they already have a surplus of Witch Doctors and Shame Men…..

  50. Amputation of legs may make walking more difficult. No kidding?
    The language being used here is to understate understatement. Glasgow is going to be completely shut down for three weeks. The main roads which go through Glasgow are being cut. Central Glasgow will have ten thousand armed police bullying the citizens. There will be some 100,000 demonstrators buggering things up.
    All so that little besom in the First Minister’s job can strut for a couple of minutes on the world stage (“Please let me in. I should have been invited. It’s not fair.”).

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58809709
    Edit: I forgot to mention that the trains will be on strike as will the bin men.

      1. Belive that retaining the knees is key here, Geoff ( from the biography of Douglas Bader).
        But what do I know? It’s only my brain that broke… :-((

        2. Quite so, Paul. Absence of ankles makes me rather more aware of undulations underfoot (I hate the pavements in Guildford, and am currently re-laying my back garden in preparation for new turf, which needs to be as flat as possible, if not level).

          1. My stroke has had the effect that I’m not entirely sure where my feet are (in space, that is, they are still attached to my ankles), and as I get older, I get more stressed about getting them tangled, caught, or steppingon a cat – both of whom like to whoosh! up the stairs under my raised foot as I am also climbing the stairs…
            AAARGH!!

          2. Oscar (like his predecessor, Charlie) has a great talent for getting exactly where I’m going to put my feet. The difference between the two is Oscar has had a tendency to bite my toes, which Charlie never did.

      2. Um. My apologies, Geoff. This was of, course, not a reference to you. I was trying to underline just how awful things are going to be in Glasgow for 3 weeks. Sorry.

    1. Don’t know who she is but it sounds like she deserves to now perform a lifetime’s penance for something done long ago.

      1. Hmm… Imagine, if one’s favourite Grandfather turned out to have been a gas chamber operator in Auschwitz, how devastated one would be.
        It probably seemed a good idea at the time.
        I met, at a book signing, two WW2 veterans here in Norway. I bought their book, but regret taht I didn’t ask them to sign it.
        They were best friends, had written & launched a book together, about why one fought in the war for the resistance against the Nazis, and why the other joined the Nazis to fight against the Soviets. Both were because they wanted to protect the independence of their country from fascism/communism, but one ended on the right side of history and the other the wrong side. There’s also an excellent book I have on why Norwegian girls joined the Nazis to work as nurses in the fight against the communists – naive niceness seems to have been a big factor there, not ideology.
        It probably seemed a good idea at the time.

        1. Apropos the Grandfather bit, we seem to have German relations slowly but surely creeping out of the woodwork, thanks to my Brother’s investigations. Great-Grandmother Borchardt (Austrian) is newly on the scene, as yet nobody knows why. So, who knows?
          As the Bible puts it: Let they who are without sin cast the first stone (or summat like that)

    1. Well of course it would sway in the wind – in Hong Kong they sway a lot because they have typhoons. If they didn’t sway they would eventually crack in high winds.

      2. THEY AREN’T – – PP and BJ were going to stop them – they lied – got voted in – – and in the recent shuffle – SHE was so bad at her job – SHE KEPT IT..

    2. Rhetorical question: How many people have to be slaughtered before they admit it doesn’t work.

      1. The Barcelona Agreement was signed many years ago to let millions of these “people” into Europe – – this is it. Thank God at my age death isn’t far away. The young have only hell in the future.

        2. There’s a quote I don’t have that strong leaders make it easy for weak leaders to come to power to make problems that only strong leaders can solve – or summat.
          Hitler after meltdown in Germany is an example.
          Watch for the rise of the strong leader. Hope it’s not Fascist. But I live in Scandinavia, where open-ness seems to be prevailing – the odd arrow notwithstanding.

          1. Strong leaders make peaceful places. Peaceful places make weak leaders. Weak leaders make bad places. Bad places make strong leaders?

        3. We’ll win. But it will be a hard time until then. And we will never go back to how we were before. The best we can hope for is to retain our traditional celtic – anglo-saxon culture with those who want to integrate blended into it.

      2. How many times can a man look up,
        Before he can see the sky?
        And how many ears must one man have before he can hear people cry?
        And how many deaths will it take till he knows that too many people have died?
        The answer my friend is blowing in the wind
        The answer is blowing in the wind.

        Bob Dylan may not have had Islamic terrorism in mind when he wrote this song but it does seem very relevant to the subject.

        1. How many years must a mountain exist before it is washed into sea
          [La Palma?]
          …………………………………………………………………………………………………….
          And how many times can a man turn his head and pretend that he just doesn’t see?
          [Islamic Terrorism?]

    5. He probably passed their course with flying colours after assuring them that he wasn’t a far right wing terrorist, and that he hates stale pale males as much as they do.

      2. We advise against all travel to Somalia.

        The security environment in Somalia is extremely unpredictable with a high threat of domestic terrorism, especially in south-central Somalia and Mogadishu.

        There is an ongoing high threat of terrorism with attacks expected to continue. Intelligence reports suggest that there continues to be a threat to Westerners in Somalia. If you are already in Somalia, we advise you to exercise caution at all times. If you are in Somalia, please register with the Embassy in Nairobi at https://www.dfa.ie/travel/citizens-registration/ and email nairobiem@dfa.ie

        1. Don’t go to Somalia – let the whole of Somalia come here – – and give them free everything while they plan our deaths.

    2. Decades – – and MANY £billions. – – and it costs us more EVERY day – and EVERY new arrival. – – England destroyed – ON PURPOSE.

  59. Good Lord! who’d have believed it?

    “Vice President of the European Commission Frans Timmermans indicated there’s no reason to believe Russia is manipulating the market.
    Timmermans bluntly said the following in an interview with Bulgarian broadcaster bTV:
    “Russia is fulfilling its gas supply contracts.” He added that “we have no reason to believe it is putting pressure on the market or manipulating it.”
    The top level Europe Commission official pointed to global nature of the problem of rising gas and energy prices, saying “the demand for gas at the global level is huge, including there.”

  60. I am off. Going to a book launch. Chum has written a book which – after months of buggerment from the publishers (wrong captions; spelling error on cover etc etc) – is finally published.

    Will be away tomorrow – going to see a brand new baby. In my view one band new baby looks much like another. However, I shall be on my best behaviour.

    A lundi.

      1. I keep that and frozen garlic for quickness occasionally, but I do like fresh garlic and most shop bought is now Chinese.

          1. That’s where the garlic came from via D T Brown of Suffolk. Kingsland Wight and Provence Wight.

          2. The garlic capital of the USA is Gilroy, California. They hold a festival every year of things garlic. Even sell garlic ice cream. I just couldn’t bring myself to try it although I love garlic and ice cream but definitely not mixed.

          3. Is that the place where there’s a garlic cafe that will even do garlic ice cream? My neighbour mentioned it, but didn’t say where it was.

          4. There is/was a restaurant, The Garlic Queen, in Amsterdam which had garlic ice ream on the menu.

        2. I try to buy the extra large Spanish garlic but keep Very lazy Garlic as a back up, plus garlic powder.

          2. You can really taste when it’s garlic powder , so I never ever use it – VLG not so much, if one is desperate. You can also get jars of peeled garlic in oil. and keep in the fridge.

      3. Good stuff. Saves bruising the side of the hand when chiefly smashing a garlic clove with the flat side of a knife.

      4. Sometimes you only want the oil/essence of garlic. Rub a peeled clove over toasted Baguette or sourdough bread or around a bowl before putting the soup in.

        You can then re-use the clove. :@)

  62. The article earlier saying there were 43,000+ potential terrorists on a watch list in the U.K made me wonder how many Nottlers were on it.
    Ponders…

    1. Not me. I’m subverting Scandinavia.
      And getting my comments to the bowman in Kongsberg deleted quicker than I can write them…

  63. HAPPY HOUR – I enjoyed the 70’s…how about you NoTTlers?

    Rubbish on the streets, inflation set to soar, a worrying winter ahead and echoes of the Seventies abound…
    DOMINIC SANDBROOK asks: How worried should we be?

    The year was 1973. Christmas was just two weeks away, and people were huddling around TV sets for a live address from the Prime Minister. But Edward Heath’s jowly, exhausted face could hardly have looked less like the incarnation of seasonal cheer. Britain was facing a ‘grave emergency’. Blown off course by war in the Middle East, surging oil prices, an international energy crisis and a looming strike by the National Union of Mineworkers, the economy stood on the brink of disaster.

    1. 70s: I was at prep then public school. What went on outside was of limited interest. But I remember the winter of discontent… and the breaking of the miners somewhat later.
      At the time, I was overjoyed. Now I’m older, i’m not so sure. It smacks of the same as the Climate bollox – stop doing that, it’s bad, without any thought as to what one should start to do – and who will pay for it all?
      Perhaps that was when I started to hate politicians as a group.
      Edit: Spellungs… :-((

        1. It’s embarrassing… looked it up a while ago. Seems it was a nest of pædos… but I saw nothing, and was sufficiently unattractive even aged 9 or 10 to not be troubled by it. One teacher even committed suicide just before being arrested – a guy I liked a lot. What a clusterfcuk. The ruination of the school led to purchase by Carphone Warehouse.
          Prep school was Neville Holt, in Leicestershire. It was OK, for a shy introverted lad, feeling rejected by family.
          I remember in the summer evenings climbing out of the windows and walking over the rooves all over… aged 10 or so.

    4. In December 1973 I was 2 months married so was somewhat diverted because in spite of the so called swinging sixties that had just finished they had never arrived in the little village of North Petherton, to say we were both naive is an understatement. We made up for it though 8^)

    5. Pink Floyd. So along with you the 70’s. I also left for the USA, so a new life. I remember thinking that the UK was like a sinking ship and since I had the opportunity, it was better to go elsewhere.

    6. I was busy awaiting the birth of my second son on the 29th of that month. Life was fairly normal.

      1. My second son was also born in August 1973, and weather was so hot .. Moh and my 5 yearold son and a couple of friends had been to an open day near here , ww were travelling in our Hillman Hunter estate , and Moh decided to drive through the river / fording the river Frome at Moreton , we got stuck in the middle . I was near my due date for baby.. We were towed out by tractor, and a few days later I went into labour ..

        August that year was a very warm month… and little did any of us know the effect of jining the then EEC would be.

        Of course from the begining of the year we were bombed to pieces by the IRA

        Music , well I guess this was memorable for 1973

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln7Vn_WKkWU

    7. The Yom Kippur War should have been a wake up call to us to reduce our reliance on imported energy.
      The Powers That Be ignored it.

  64. Just heard on the BBC that members of the local mosque tried to save murder victim, Amess (in Christian church)???

    1. Sounds unlikely unless they were the police and paramedics. They weren’t letting anyone in.

  66. The Pastor is right
    Canadian pastor defiant as judge orders him to parrot ‘medical experts’ from pulpit: ‘I will not obey’
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/canadian-pastor-ordered-judge-cite-medical-experts-pulpit

    An afterthought. What is particularly worrying about this is the judge has ordered the pastor to parrot the government in an act of “compelled speech”. This puts me in mind of what Jordan Peterson was saying when he opposed the governments actions with forcing people to address others by their “preferred pronouns”. Peterson’s argument was that it was the slippery slope against freedom of speech. With this Judge it seems that Canada has arrived precisely there where a pastor is forced on pain of imprisonment to make a disclaimer from the pulpit written by the judge and against the pastors belief in freedom of speech.

  67. It seems litlle Matt has had his job offer withdrawn……..

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10098745/Matt-Hancocks-surprise-comeback-crashes-quick-end-United-Nations-withdraws-job-offer.html

    Shamed Matt Hancock’s job offer at the United Nations is
    WITHDRAWN just days after it was announced as his exile continues after
    he quit Government in disgrace

    Matt Hancock was previously named as a UN special representative for Africa

    He would have advised African nations on economic bounce back from Covid

    He has now reportedly been removed from the post following backlash

    It comes just months after Hancock resigned in disgrace as Health Secretary

    4. His job offer was withdrawn just after the Government started investigating the contract that he had negotiated with a medical firm.

      Is this a coincidence I ask myself?

    5. His job offer was withdrawn just after the Government started investigating the contract that he had negotiated with a medical firm.

      Is this a coincidence I ask myself?

  70. I see that A Allen chap has had a BTL comment I responded to deleted:-

    This comment has been deleted

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    Robert Spowart
    16 Oct 2021 8:57AM
    @A Allan @Kevin Bell Exactly.
    It was noticeable that his mental health history was kept from the jury by the judge.

    3. The guy deserves a good kicking, or much worse if it’s true about the daughter. What I do find disturbing is that the dog owner can get his dogs to attack a stranger in that fashion.

      2. I have not watched the video but I can assure you that there is a network of vigilantes out on the warpath who are not much better than their targets.

    3. Another powerful woman, who has been Head of State in her own country for nearly seventy years and leads an international alliance of nations that matches China, was reported making an extraordinary oblique attack on Xi.

      She made two points – displeasure at the likelihood of Xi snubbing an important world summit set up in her country, and frustration with hypocrites who say fine words and then undermine them by their actions. In this, both her appointed successor and the one after have made major announcements to the same end.

      If Xi continues to snub this woman, he may well come to regret it.

      Xi’s downfall will come though when he destabilises China through reckless military adventures.

    1. Some of the comments are great. Not everyone is as blind as our media wants us to believe.

    1. I would not put any malicious act outwith the ‘authority’ of our corrupt Johnson government. I strongly suspect that the perpetrator of this heinous act of murder was paid for his services.

      These politicos trade on causing fear and alarm in our otherwise peaceful nation. Their every act seems to be contrived to diminish the rest of us and advance their supposed superiority, that of the anointed elites telling the rest of us plebs what to think and do. Their hope and vision is to control and direct the masses by any and every means at their disposal.

      These bastards are blissfully stupid, self obsessed and ignorant and can get stuffed. The rest of us are more knowledgeable than they are and they have finally met their match as intelligent folk wake up to the deception.

  77. Tony Robinson on the Malayan Emergency………
    Fuck you and the horse you rode in on all Brits bad,no balance no acknowledgement that this was the sole successful defence against a commie insurgency that lead to a modern democracy as opposed to terror and mass murder all over S E Asia
    OFF!!

    1. Robinson is a slimy pervert, by his own admission. You are quite right about our defeat of communist insurrection. We allowed Malaysia and Singapore to develop as successful and peaceful independent states.
      I read a book about the Emergency and wrote an essay on it for school. The book was “Jungle Green” and some of my quotes were maybe ill chosen and shocked my teacher. But I was only eleven.

      1. Any mention of TR always leads to instant character assignation for some reason, just like what happened to Trump, that all worked out well.

        1. Well, If he writes things about himself that are revolting, why would he expect people to forget?

          2. Admitting that he is a revolting pervert. I have wiped the details from my mind. However if you pore through old copies of Penthouse from the early 70s you should be able to find the article.

        2. I think he did that all by himself, Bob. His various lefty attacks on his erstwhile colleagues and sources of income, have made him appear as rather less than self-aware.

          1. By why is that important in the scheme of things, he’s not standing for election or has ever pretended to be perfect he just tried to bring the grooming gangs and the conspiracy to cover it up out into the open.

          2. Bob, we are all at crossed purposes here!
            You are defending Tommy Robinson, and I’m with you all the way!
            However, ?Geoff, Horace and I are having a rant about the little git who played Baldrick!

  78. Today I noticed that there is one new flower on one of our clematis plants. The plant has not had a flower for over two month so it was a surprise. A nice one, bright purply blue. A bit odd as the day is overcast and cold.

    1. Oddly enough, not about a flower though, on Kit Hill with my Oscar this morning in dense fog and 9°C I saw a butterfly fluttering around. Couldn’t see the make of it as visibility was so poor, but it was quite disconcerting.

    3. I love it when summer flowers have a second go at blooming just before winter. I have a few forsythia flowers at the moment, and we’ve got buttercups, daisies and red clover.

  79. 340105+ up ticks,

    Why is it that Anne Marie Waters a very worthy adversary of the dangers of islamic ideology shadow banned on twitter ?

    Her outspokeness regarding the teacher in hiding would have triggered the close down, deplatform apparatus, could it be that ?

    Another “over target” was Gerard Batten warning of the dangers of islamic ideology in book form & rhetorically since 2005, no heed taken,
    many proffered “their parties” take on the issue, best NOT rock the boat.

    Via that mindset we certainly have amassed an abundance of boats to be arocking.

    1. Wasn’t Churchill in the wilderness in the 1930s when storm clouds were gathering, a similar atmosphere to today?

      He’s now on the fiver – mind you, they want us to give up using fivers and do everything through the Cloud.

      1. 340169+ up ticks,
        Morning BB2,
        “They” being politico’s / current lab/lib/con
        party members, in my book.
        Two more truthsayers that have been castigated, one in a very dangerous manner that should be given a platform
        in regards to the welfare of children first then Country.

        https://youtu.be/NTYJEiG0h-A

  80. Good night all.

    Cassoulet with duck & sausage. One can overdo the French mustard.
    A banana – well, it’s sausage-shaped.
    Dark chocolate with Armagnac VSOP.

  81. The man suspected of killing David Amess is named Ali Harbi Ali and is further detained under the Terrorism Act

    1. The upshot of this will be no more face to face meetings with one’s MP. One more knife in the back of democracy thanks to unwanted alien criminals.

  82. Former President Barack Obama will travel to Glasgow next month for a UN climate summit and will meet with young activists and deliver remarks putting the threat of the climate crisis into broader context, an Obama spokeswoman tells CNN.

    1. “WHEN the curtain falls, it is time to get off the stage.”

      With those words, Mr John Major resigned the Tory leadership after taking his party to its worst poll defeat for 165 years.

      Unfortunately, neither Major nor Obama have stuck to that intention.

      1. Forty years or so after I got off the stage, they demolished the stage.

        It’s been rebuilt now, but I did shed a tear when I saw on a YouTube video a digger tearing through my old dressing room.

    2. I remember the other girls doing that at primary school, but I never figured out what it was all about. Like everything else requiring social skills, it was a mystery to me!

  84. Evening, all. Been a busy day without actually doing anything productive; Zoom meeting (an AGM) that went on for hours, then catching up on the racing.

    1. I sometimes have days like that, Conway. But, as Churchil used to say, KBO (Keep Buggering On). May tomorrow be a better day for both of us. And a good night to all NoTTLers.

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