Sunday 17 October: Don’t let protection for MPs distance them from the electorate

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  4. ‘Morning All

    Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you……………

    “The British government has prepared for terrorist incidents by

    pre-planning social media campaigns which are designed to appear to be a

    spontaneous public response to attacks, Middle East Eye has learned.

    Hashtags are carefully tested before attacks happen, Instagram images selected, and “impromptu” street posters are printed.

    In operations that contingency planners term “controlled

    spontaneity”, politicians’ statements, vigils and inter-faith events are

    also negotiated and planned in readiness for any terrorist attack.”

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/mind-control-secret-british-government-blueprints-shaping-post-terror-planning
    As we have all watched the operations of “nudge units” and the 77 brigade over the last 18 months no-one can really doubt the truth of the above……………..
    Which brings me to the latest atrocity which has spawned a huge social media and MSM, outcry about “Hate Speech”also EVERY MSM outlet is using the same words and phrases almost as if it were co-ordinated……….
    Cui Bono??
    Well there is no doubt Politicians will get more security and become ever more remote from the people
    Which Bill is coming down the pipe??
    Oh yeah the “Online Harms Act” designed to give TPTB a total stranglehold on social media and the internet,which politician will be brave enough to oppose it now??
    It all stinks like a dead bloated donkey

    1. I find it strange that the nudge unit can’t persuade Sadik Khan to publicly express his regrets.

      Or perhaps I’ve been looking in the wrong place?

      1. The fact that Sadiq Khan couldn’t even be bothered to run through the pretense of condemning islamic violence speaks volumes.

        1. Why should he bother? He’s got his own bodyguards, and poor people are just losers.

      2. He did express his regrets – sort of. “… that Sir David Ames’s passed away . Really heartfelt.

    2. Somewhere, there’s a warehouse full of candles and teddy bears? How utterly repugnant. The absolute opposite of what a government is supposed to do.

  5. Hmmm,talking of paranoia

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0e784c2e8ba27e1a68c8db9c88e498145fd51e7868240de1b999e8a60bed4fb6.jpg
    Lives in an area with dozens of higher profile political targets within a few square miles yet drives 50 miles to this particular target
    After his murderous attack stands quietly and waits to be arrested
    All just feels “off” Who was the directing mind?? Who “radicalised” him which Imam,which backroom at the mosque,which internet preacher??

    1. Yes, that does feel definitely off. Amess wasn’t a high profile MP – I had assumed a local was responsible. How come this man had even heard of Amess?

    2. It’s all becoming a bit ‘Manchurian Candidate’ – albeit with brainwashing by RoP rather than the Reds.

      1. That headline has been cut off. The reference is “his father is a former Somali official left ‘traumatised’ by his son’s arrest”.

    4. And is there any connection between him & Shamima Begum who is only a couple of years younger than him?

        1. I was thinking more on the lines of going to the same mosque or following the same radical Imams.

  6. #CovidClownWorld

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    2. Just searched for Satoshi Omura in Youtube, and there are several posts from him on Ivermectin & Covid 19.

  7. I found a birthdate for an Ali Harbi Ali – February 1996 . If it is the suspect, he was born in Southwark, Greater London. He is therefore a British citizen by birth.

      1. Morning Johnny – it depends on what you define as a “British” person. I think he qualifies, as an English born person, to be British

        1. Britishness has been redefined, same as marriage.

          It’s what we are told we want.

          Boris Johnson is an American.

          2. If you murder someone in a Methodist Church Hall it doesn’t mean you are a Methodist who loved his Nan to bits.

      2. Being British is a matter of a piece of paper.
        The Romans made the same mistake from roughly 300 AD.

  8. Will practising Christian MP’s be requiring more protection after this atrocity I’m wondering?

  9. Morning all

    SIR – What are we to make of the appalling and senseless killing of Sir David Amess?

    That it happened while he was going about his lawful business on behalf of others is heartrending. But are we to go the way of having armed guards surrounding our MPs?

    Politicians cannot be protected without the goodwill of the people. We should all do more to achieve this.

    Judith Scott Williams

    Waldringfield, Suffolk

    SIR – Is it not time for MPs to consider the language they use when describing their political opponents, and the message it sends? Angela Rayner’s recent diatribe is just one example.

    Victoria Baillon

    Hornblotton, Somerset

    SIR – An essential and practical first step should be the installation of CCTV at the site of every surgery, and strong advertisement of its presence.

    Karl Ludvigsen

    Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk

    SIR – I am appalled at the killing of Sir David Amess, but believe it would be foolish to replace MPs’ surgeries with telephone or Zoom consultations, as has been suggested.

    Direct contact with one’s MP is a cornerstone of our democracy, and should not be negotiable. Service personnel, police officers, social workers and others take similar risks on a daily basis.

    Huw Baumgartner

    Bridell, Pembrokeshire

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    SIR – Our town has lost a beloved and constant servant. With his openness and generosity of spirit, Sir David Amess turned nobody away. He came to our street last year to celebrate the 100th birthday of a resident. He had many more engagements on that day, and would have made every one seem the most important.

    A kindly and unforgettable man of the people, he represented all of us, regardless of political persuasion.

    Barry Bond

    Leigh-on-Sea, Essex

    SIR – During my political career I knew three Conservative MPs who were subsequently murdered: Airey Neave, Ian Gow and Sir David Amess.

    All three were distinguished and modest men totally committed to the service of the nation and their constituents.

    The pointless and callous ending of their lives has deprived us of the very best.

    John Pritchard

    Ingatestone, Essex

    SIR – Sir Keir Starmer could send a strong message by announcing that the forthcoming by-election will not be contested by Labour.

    The other political parties should then follow suit.

    Richard Kemm

    Marseillan, Hérault, France

    SIR – Surely the finest tribute to Sir David would be the granting of city status to Southend.

    Edward Bacon

    Extra cash for GPs

    SIR – I read with interest your report on the plan to devote £250 million of taxpayers’ money to encouraging GPs to offer more face-to-face consultations.

    Thus, long-suffering patients are being obliged to pay more for a service that GPs are already being paid for not providing. It defies logic.

    Dr Frederick Langley

    Hessle, East Yorkshire

    SIR – While it is important that those who wish to see their GP in person can do so, many people prefer telephone appointments when appropriate. They save time and travel, and avoid the risk of spreading germs at the surgery.

    I hope that surgeries are not penalised purely on the basis of the proportion of patients seen in person, but that, if the patient’s preference is for a phone appointment, this is treated as a plus.

    This would, however, lead to more bureaucracy, as it would be necessary to record and submit what type of appointment each patient preferred and what they got.

    Richard Harrington

    Ivinghoe Aston, Buckinghamshire

    SIR – The BMA is complaining that part of the reason why GPs are “on their knees” is that they are carrying out extra duties (for a fee) as vaccinators.

    Why are GPs still being used as vaccinators? The relatively simple procedure of giving an intramuscular injection can be carried out by many other healthcare providers.

    Dr J R Drummond

    Cellardyke, Fife

    SIR – It’s all very well the Government telling GPs to get back to face-to-face appointments, but when will it tell the civil service to get back to work?

    Alison Thomas

    Leatherhead, Surrey

    Energy Luddites

    SIR – I heartily agree with David Fletcher (Letters, October 10) about Britain’s inadequate energy strategy.

    Having our own independent supply is crucial, and I am disappointed by ministers’ and civil servants’ apparent resistance to technologies that could mitigate the impending energy crisis.

    Neptune Energy’s suggestion of using gas of lower calorific value, currently left in the ground or flared off, is just one example of a solution that don’t appear to have been considered. Highview’s cryogenic energy storage systems and Gravitricity’s gravity-based storage devices are among the technologies that could help.

    One can only hope that, should the Cop26 shindig coincide with power outages and industrial shutdowns (which are quite possible, especially while we are beholden to our erstwhile friends across the Channel), our Government’s humiliation might prompt it to consider some of these virtually shovel-ready options.

    Andrew Main

    Shaftesbury, Dorset

    1. What a limp idea from Richard Kemm. It’s clear that the electorate in the sadly late Sir David’s constituency prefer a Conservative, a free thinker who worked for them. The electorate should be able to choose whom they want as their MP and not have the “opportunity” of having an uncontested conservative foisted on them by the Johnson administration. That would be an insult to Sir David’s memory and achievements. If that MP is not drawn from the current conservative party, then so be it.

      2. CCO will pressure the constituency to chose one of Carrie Antoinette’s chums – preferably a female.
        The same will also happen at Old Bexley and Sidcup (James Brokenshire’s constituency).

      3. Liblabcon is terrified that the good voters of Southend might elect someone prepared to take a stand against its metropolitan liberal left consensus.

      4. If they have “foisted” on them a politician like the one in my constituency. Gillian Keegan, God help them. They will get yet another mouthpiece and puppet for the useless policies of this government.

    2. The murder of Airey Neave robbed the country of an MP would could have been a worth while successor to Margaret Thatcher.

      1. Airey Neave was the first British prisoner-of-war to succeed in escaping from Oflag IV-C at Colditz Castle. An officer in the Royal Artillery – Once a Gunner, always a Gunner!

  10. 340169+ up ticks,

    Sunday 17 October: Don’t let protection for MPs distance them from the electorate

    In reality lack of protection has been on the table for decade especially for the general public as in places such as rotherham,rochdale, sheffield, etc
    sitting in the park, walking local streets,countrywide,all over,overall.

    A good chap died tis my belief that the fall out from that horrendous action
    has already been set in motion via the murderous alledged assassin makeup first & foremost he is british as seemingly is half the world with the other half in waiting.

    Reality with the likes of priti & co running the show tailored to their own covert agenda, just what does the herd expect for the future.

    1. Sorry, I down ticked because there is a relentless effort to downgrade the monarchy and I honestly think it is a fatal thing to do. All our institutions are under attack and once the monarchy, which I consider to be the rallying point for England is done for, we cease to be English but just another mediocre country off the coast of Europe.

      1. Rallying point for the UK Jonathan and I agree with you. Our Queen is not Brenda. I wonder where that name came from.

          1. You’d expect nothing more from that little guttersnipe of an editor.

            ‘Afternoon, Peddy.

        2. No idea where Brenda came from. But people should remember that wherever the monarch is the Royal Standard is displayed precisely because it is a symbol for us to rally around the monarch in times of danger.

      2. I have always been a monarchist. History and the probable alternatives make that a practical – as well as emotional – decision. However, my thoughts are turning Cromwellian.
        The Royal Family need to remember that the vast majority of their subjects cannot afford greenery wokery. The little people have neither the income nor the actual physical space for the technology. Preaching at those who already feel disempowered is a dangerous position to take.
        I think the RF are dabbling in uncertain waters as their position relies upon popular support.

        1. I was listening to a broadcast last night on the computer. It rightly pointed out that the Royal Family has been green for decades. We tend to forget that Phillip was the President of the World Wild Life Fund from 1986. That they have implemented all sorts of green solutions in their own homes and the palaces they use. Charles, rather than being an anomaly in that regard is just a chip of the old block and so is William. The only reason their activities have become controversial of late is because the issue has been politicised. But it is far from fair to blame them for that or to lump them in with the modern lot of, well A-holes!

          1. The problem, Johnathan, is that they’re all being seen to have started dabbling in what would have been taboo politics.

            This is beneath them and they must stay OUT and be seen as really impartial and not the BBC form of impartiality.

    2. Sorry, I down ticked because there is a relentless effort to downgrade the monarchy and I honestly think it is a fatal thing to do. All our institutions are under attack and once the monarchy, which I consider to be the rallying point for England is done for, we cease to be English but just another mediocre country off the coast of Europe.

  12. Morning, all. Just passing through. Will be gone in ten minutes.

    At the book launch last evening, the MR (who is a big wheel in school examinations) was accosted by a couple who demanded to know why more black authors were not on the syllabus. Because, the harridan screeched, “Black lives matter.” Carolyn explained that as far as the international board for whom she works is concerned, “All lives matter.”

    I was about to add that simply because a book is written by a black, it does not – thereby – have merit. Lots of black writers – just like lots of white writers – turn out rubbish. But I preferred to walk away and talk to more sensible people…!!

    Anyway – have a good Sunday.

    PS I still think the Plod were quite wrong to refuse a priest access to a dying man “because i is a crime scene”. Bit lik turning the Padre away “because it i a battlefield…”

    TTFN

    1. Good morning, Bill. Good for the MR (and tell her that I continue to enjoy her excellent lemon curd). And to all NoTTLers: this may be my last post for a while as I shall be away for a few days from tomorrow.

        1. Southport, to celebrate the 70th anniversary of the birth of EAGLE (Dan Dare and the Mekon, etc.) It was planned for April 2020 but, like the latest James Bond, kept being put back.

    2. She should have told them that Joseph Conrad had self declared as being black during his writing of The Nigger of the Narcissus and was being put on the sillybus.

    3. Good morning all. Yes Mr T, you were correct and Grizzly’s argument was in this case wrong.
      One might as well argue that the paramedics were messing up evidence by attempting to staunch the wounds of a dying man. During the pandemic the organs of the state have seized every opportunity to seize territory, and the belittling of the Church and ministers of religion is for future historians to ponder.

      1. One notices that George (Grizzly) is keeping a low profile at the moment.

        Come on, George, we can all make mistakes when we think we are talking from the heart.

        The real man can own to his mistakes and carry on.

    4. Some years ago, the school where I was working with ‘statemented’ pupils invited a ‘poet’ to talk to the junior classes. He was of Caribbean heritage (not sure if his gangster accent was real or affected) so obviously ticked a box. One box he certainly did not tick was that of ‘literature’. Every supposed ‘poem’ /’rap’ that came out of his mouth was talentless, immature drivel …. but of course the ‘cool’ boys lapped it all up, and proceeded to prance around like little hoodlums in the playground for weeks after.
      As I understand it, secondary schools now have to include black ‘authors’ on their English curriculum, not because of any literary merit but merely because it has to be included. Maybe it is used as a lesson in how not to produce anything of value.

  13. Mistaken Identity

    An Alabama pastor said to his congregation, “Someone in this congregation has spread a rumour that I belong to the Ku Klux Klan. This is a horrible lie and one which a Christian community cannot tolerate. I am embarrassed and do not intend to accept this. Now, I want the party who said this to stand and ask forgiveness from God and this Christian family.”

    No one moved. The preacher continued, “Don’t you have the nerve to face me and admit this is a falsehood? Remember, you will be forgiven and, in your heart, you will feel glory. Now stand and confess your transgression.” Again, all was quiet.

    Then, slowly, a drop-dead gorgeous blonde with a body that would stop a runaway train rose from the third pew. Her head was bowed and her voice quivered as she spoke.

    “Reverend there has been a terrible misunderstanding. I never said you were a member of the Ku Klux Klan. I simply told a couple of my friends that you were a wizard under the sheets.”

    The preacher fell to his knees, his wife fainted, and the congregation roared.
    Life is short, smile while you still have teeth.

  14. ‘Morning, Peeps.

    You would think that Welsh Assembly (in my view It’s not a ‘government’, more a ‘rabble’) and others would have more than enough to think about, rather than posturing on such matters – and then getting it wrong! Shame on them, and all the others who seek to denigrate those who achieved so much. I detest them all:

    SIR – The continuing denigration of Britain’s greatest naval hero by the Welsh authorities is based on ignorance at best – and, at worst, might be considered malign.

    Following your report in November 2020 about Nelson being listed as a person of concern by the Welsh government in its study on historical figures’ connections with slavery, the Nelson Society wrote to the First Minister informing him that the two sources on which the government had based its claims about Nelson were both incorrect.

    The letter purportedly from him to a Jamaican plantation owner criticising William Wilberforce has been proved to be a forgery concocted by anti-abolitionists after Nelson’s death.

    The second piece of “evidence” was that, in 1834, following abolition, someone called Horatio Nelson received compensation for giving up one slave. The fact that this person was not related to Admiral Lord Nelson, who had been dead for 29 years, seems to have eluded the researchers working on behalf of the Welsh government.

    Now, however, the Caerphilly Borough Council has listed the village of Nelson as being of concern because of the name’s links with slavery (report, October 10). To my certain knowledge there is no documentary evidence that Lord Nelson ever “opposed abolition of the slave trade or slavery”.

    So far none of the evidence in the council’s dossier has been revealed, but I suspect it will have been based on similarly sloppy research. Perhaps most extraordinarily, the Caerphilly council is critical of Nelson’s responsibility for the supremacy of Britain’s navy.

    Presumably this would be the same supremacy that allowed it to enforce the abolition of the slave trade, capture 1,600 slave ships and free more than 150,000 enslaved Africans, in the process sacrificing the lives of 1,500 of its sailors.

    Lt Col Ray Aldis (retd)
    Salisbury, Wiltshire

    Well said, Sir!

    2. A BTL response:-

      Robert Spowart
      17 Oct 2021 8:45AM
      Well said Lt. Col. Aldis. According to family research carried out by my late cousin, one of the 1,500 sailors he refers to was a several times Great Uncle who was killed boarding an arab slaving dhow off the East African coast.

    3. It’s strange that the BBC recently showed a documentary on Nelson’s fleet, emphasising that there were a number of black men on board.

      Didn’t anyone in Wales view it?

      We believe that the Royal Navy rules at that time stated that any black slave who managed to board an RN ship was automatically declared a

      free man once he signed on.

      Yet the Welsh consider he was a slave owner because a slave owner had the same name many years after Nelson’s death.

    4. This action by the Welsh Assembly identifies that they are unnecessarily poking their noses into affairs that don’t concern them at all and they waste more time by jumping to the wrong conclusion, based on seemingly false evidence.

      It all adds up to them, like the Wee Pretendy Parliament and the Stormont Gathering, being a complete and utter waste of space, time and money.

      Dissolve them all

  15. Good morning to all.
    A damp & dull 7½°C start though the overnight rain seems to have paused.

    1. Have I missed something? Why do people want a third dose? Presumably that would mean the first two didn’t work, so why would you want to repeat it?

      2. I don’t want a third dose , and certainly not the reaction I had from my second jab.

        We had our flu jab a couple of days ago .

        How much more are they pumping into us ?

        2. I get notification about the jabs, I ignore them, but I have yet to get anything official concerning a 3rd jab.

        3. Online info regarding dogs recently stated “do not over-vaccinate your dog otherwise you will run the risk of weakening its natural immunity.”

      3. That’s what I try to tell Best Beloved but she insists on making up her own mind and saying, “You can find whatever you want to hear on the Internet.” without realising that she is doing just that but in a one-sided way.

        I do look at both sides before crying ‘Bollocks!’

    2. Morning!

      Of course the booster scheme may actually be failing because the herd are rousing from their slumber.

      What does one do with the pineapple? I assume eating it isn’t an option.

      1. Hi Sue,

        I invited options for the administation of pineapples as a COVID antivirus in my comment yesterday:

        Here it is again for those who missed it:

        There is scientific evidence that pineapples may be used as an antiviral agent against COVID-19.

        Here’s a quote from the preprint:

        Most importantly, bromelain treatment significantly diminished the SARS-CoV-2 infection in VeroE6 cells. Altogether, our results suggest that bromelain or bromelain rich pineapple stem may be used as an antiviral against COVID-19.

        Full article here:
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.go…

        I can think of ways that Nottlers may suggest for the application of pineapple treatment but I fear these may be more painful than a jab.

          1. The pineapple is a tropical plant with an edible fruit and is the most economically significant plant in the family Bromeliaceae.

            Wikipedia

            The pineapple itself is a fruit from the family Bromeliaceae.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ae742e9254f16608d965b76e7862a14ca0ff3006dc03d57b60192669440b4b47.jpg
            The stem extends through the base of the fruit to the crown so I reckon you could put the core in a blender and make a COVID smoothie which will cover the virus spikes and act as an ACE inhibitor.

          3. Chew it, if you can. Otherwise you can get bromelain tablets – said to help arthritis.

          4. I have started taking Quercetin with Bromelain over the winter months a couple or so weeks ago.

  17. Magistrates have given the police until 22 October to hold Ali Harbi Ali. Presumably a provision of the Terrorism Act. He was found at the time and place of the murder, with the knife, and gave himself up. He has not been charged with the murder, or any crime, it seems. Is he to be found to be insane? Will he be locked away for couple of years, then quietly released? Is some deal being done in exchange for revealing co-conspirators?
    There appear to be no films by witnesses, nor any statements of witnesses. Have the police confiscated phones? Have people been told keep quiet? Is there a “D-Notice” in force?
    Something is beginning to smell, I think.

      1. The ‘Great Stink’ revisited but on this occasion the sewage is inside the HoP and not floating past in the Thames.

        1. 340169+ up ticks,
          Morning KtK,
          Nearly word for word I made the same comment years ago, things since have got rapidly worse.

    2. Amazing that at an MP’s surgery, there were no witnesses.
      No volunteer receptionist from the local party? No back-up team from his constituency? No other constituents waiting to see him?
      H’mmmm …. and double/treble/quadruple h’mmmm.

      1. Exactly, AA. The devil is in the detail. If you spill a cup of coffee in a cafe it’s all over social media within the hour. Every terrorist outrage in the last 10 years has resulted in a multiplicity of video clips, and interviews with those who were there or thereabouts. Not this time.

      2. Yo anne

        I would ‘believe’ all that, if it were in Bradford, Leicester, Rochdale etc

        But not at the Surgery of a well liked MP, in what I presume is still an ‘English/Anglo/’ Conservative Town

          3. Many of those residents are now white flighting it down here .. fleeing .

            We have a strange looking insular quite lonely looking chap who sold up a business in Croydon , and fled here to the presumed safety of our enlarging village .

      4. Some one filmed the stabbing of the poor MP , the film was circulated on Twitter then deleted .

        It was horrible , and the assassin looked just like an assassin, pointy beard etc .. Remember those Victorian silhouette shadow characters used on a white background ?

        It does seem as if the very devil has multiplied and spread to every village , town , city and therefore posing a real threat to us all by virtue of an unknown presence .

        Having said that , the known amongst us can also be the devil in disguise .. when bad things happen .

        Distrust kills everything .

    3. And a few days ago the police told people who might have filmed the murder of the Afghan at the Adrian Stoop Rugby Ground not to put their recordings on line.

      The Police need to inspire more respect amongst the general public. Does this sort of thing help restore confidence in them?

      1. How is it possible to have confidence in the police? They have acted illegally. Pushing old ladies around, just because they could. It’s a long list of occasions where they have exceeded their authority in respect of the law-abiding. They have not merely failed to arrest demonstrators and rioters, they have collaborated with them.
        (We also see, on a daily basis, our Border Force assisting criminals to enter this country. This is a crime in itself.)

      2. Please Mr T, ‘killing’ or ‘death’, not ‘murder’. Murder is a verdict, as I understand it, and if people post videos online that could prejudice a fair trial, right to justice etc. In which case some follower of Beelzebub might escape a few years of HM Madrassah.

  18. Good Moaning.
    Oh, what a grey day.
    Well, the S. Tel bots are busy as BTL comments – indeed comment facilities under articles are being vaporised as I read.
    Maybe the Bots are on double bubble and want to earn their keep.

  20. Good morning, my friends.

    Daniel Hanan is quite right in arguing that the ECJ must not be allowed any role in N Ireland. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/16/simply-wrong-belligerent-antagonistic-eu-referee-protocol/

    And this article in The Spectator by Stephen Barrett shows that the ECJ is a political construct which is not remotely interested in justice. If Britain agrees to the EU having any further influence or power in Northern Ireland then effectively Brexit is dead – which is, of course, what the EU wants and has instructed the ECJ to effectuate. The big questions are: “Has Johnson got the necessary will or strength to have Article 16 invoked and will his wife allow her uxorious husband to do so?

    Is the European Court of Justice (ECJ) a properly independent court? The damning verdict of two respected EU law academics on an episode involving the ECJ suggests it is not. This debacle also undermines the EU’s legal criticisms of Hungary and Poland – and raises worrying questions about how the Northern Ireland Protocol will be enforced.

    The sorry saga dates back to the aftermath of the Brexit vote, when one of the ECJ’s 11 advocates general, Eleanor Sharpston, was sacked. Sharpston had every legal right to carry on. After all, ‘she’ didn’t Brexit, the UK did; she also has EU citizenship and is an outstanding EU lawyer. Unsurprisingly she took legal action to prevent her summary dismissal and to stop the appointment of a new advocate general.

    On 4 September 2020, an independent judge recognised Sharpston’s dismissal was possibly wrong. A timetable was set out with an exchange of evidence set for 11 September to determine whether that was so. But none of it ever happened: instead, without telling Sharpston (which any fair process would surely require), the ECJ held a different hearing, a day before, on 10 September. At that hearing, the ECJ struck out Sharpstone’s case.

    To add insult to injury, the ceremony to appoint Sharpston’s successor took place on the same day. All this without telling Sharpston what was happening. In doing so, the ECJ did not merely breach the Rule of Law, it tore it up and set fire to the remains.

    And yet, in the months since, the ECJ has chosen to double down rather than come clean. In June 2021, the ECJ gave two further judgments to justify its unjustifiable actions. The result was, in the words of those two respected academics – Graham Butler, an associate professor of law at Aarhus university in Denmark, and Dimitry Kochenov, who teaches law at the Central European university in Vienna – that the situation was made ‘significantly worse’, not least in its ruling that:

    “
    ‘it is…immaterial whether the (government of the EU) acted within the framework of the Treaties or other legal sources, such as international law’.
    The law inside the EU now appears to be this: the EU government does not need to follow law – any law. And the ECJ will just nod along. Yet that surely is the opposite of the Rule of Law.

    It is now difficult to disagree with the conclusion that the Court of Human Rights would refuse to recognise the ECJ as a proper court. Given the ECJ’s role in having the final say on any questions or disputes that arise out of the Northern Ireland Protocol, this is extremely troubling.

    It also presents a big problem for those who want to criticise Poland, or potentially Hungary (nobody seems terribly interested in criticising Germany), over their making – and breaking – of law.

    For the ECJ to function, it must be independent. Lord Frost must face this truth when negotiating over the Protocol in the weeks ahead.

    By: Steven Barrett

    1. 340169+ up ticks ,
      Morning R,
      The yank tank, would NOT have achieved the power position he has without being 90% pro eu proof.

        1. 340169+ up ticks,
          Morning Cs,
          The hannan chap in my book is iffy and some Cvs that could in reality have doctor joe mengele running WHO.

          1. Hannan is the decoy to persuade the more conservative grass-roots Conservative on message.

      1. They designated all of us “EU citizens” in Maastricht in their determination to make themselves a country. They can’t collapse soon enough.

  21. We all have a responsibility to keep MPs safe
    In the five years since my friend Jo Cox’s death, public life has become ever more toxic

    JACQUI SMITH
    17 October 2021 • 6:00am
    Ican picture Sir David Amess arriving at his constituency surgery on Friday. He will have greeted staff and constituents with a smile and a genuine enquiry about how they were. Then he’ll have headed into the church hall to do what was closest to his heart – listening to and representing the people of Southend West.

    No doubt he was already thinking about how he might shoehorn in a mention of Southend’s bid for city status into the question he was due to ask when Parliament sits again. This would have been greeted with indulgent groans and laughs by his fellow MPs, who recognised his utter commitment to his constituency and who, in many cases, would have been on the receiving end of his kindness, decency and good humour.

    His killing is, first and foremost, a tragedy for his wife, his children and all those who knew and loved him. But it is also an attack on our system of democracy and particularly the role of constituency MPs.

    My friend, Jo Cox, was also murdered in her constituency while carrying out day-to-day contact with the people she grew up with. In her maiden speech, she spoke with warmth about the different communities in Batley and Spen and said that they had “more in common than that which divides them”. Jo’s values and life inform the work of the Jo Cox Foundation that I chair. We are devastated by Sir David’s killing, and send our love and sympathy to his family, staff and colleagues.

    We are also deeply troubled that just five years after Jo’s death, another MP has been killed while carrying out their job. We have become increasingly concerned about the toxic nature of our public life – all elected representatives deserve to be safe and to be treated with respect. Violence and abuse against them is utterly unacceptable.

    This is why we need a wider response than just upping the security around our MPs. It is right for the Speaker of the House of Commons and the Home Secretary to review this, and I hope that we can find new ways to keep MPs physically safe while enabling them to keep that vital contact with their constituents.

    Robert Spowart
    17 Oct 2021 9:27AM
    It is not for the British Public to take responsibility for the safety of MPs, but for those MPs to take responsibility for the safety of the British Public, something which these two appalling murders are a symptom of.

    First, stating that the murderer of Jo Cox, was “Right Wing Extremist” ignores his serious mental issues and the fact that the local “Don’t Care In The Community” had fobbed him off when he tried to get help.
    The way mental health has become the Cinderella of the NHS has led to, and continues to lead to far too many attacks on both strangers and family members by those the system ignores.

    The murder of Sir David Ames highlights another problem where MPs have let down the British public, that of allowing an ideology totally incompatible with Western Values to take root in our country.
    This is something people have warned about for decades only to be forced to remain silent by being castigated as RACIST! or ISLAMOPHOBE!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/17/have-responsibility-keep-mps-safe/

    1. Jacqui Smith was the daft bint on the BBC yesterday morning, whom I described as “whingeing”. The BBC rushes to interview people who will reiterate and reinforce the “official narrative” and obfuscate the reality.

      1. More than welcome m’Dear!
        Given the number of comments I’ve pinched off here and Going Postal, I can hardly complain, can I?

    4. Batley … Batley … that rings a bell.
      Something to do with stroppy Muzzies?
      Don’t tell me; it’ll come to me in a moment.

    5. “We all have a responsibility to keep MPs safe”

      WTF?
      As well as our responsibility to keep them fed, housed, staffed, ferried around wherever they want to go etc?
      What about their responsibility to keep US safe – which they collectively fail to do, every day of the year?

      1. Don’t forget it’s them who allow all these foreign murderous sorts into the country in the first place

    6. The desperation made to deflect is comical. You’ve got to take care of us abdicates their responsibility and their guilt for intentionally polluting this country.

      I hate them. I care not a whit about them. For every one of them who voted to flood this country will gimmigrants the blood is on their hands. We didn’t want it. They hid it. They endorsed and encouraged the nonsense diwersity agenda. They paraded the gimmigrants welcome nonsense. They refused to do anything about the tide of excrement.

      No. This is their fault. Jo Cox was killed by a man mentally ill. He wasn’t properly cared for because Labour didn’t like spending money on mental health – no votes in that. Far easier to import a few million welfarists to create a voting bloc.

      Is Jo Cox supported that, then she’s as culpable.

    7. Public life has become more toxic Ms Smith because it is inhabited by verminous people like you, who are only concerned with ‘me and mine’ rather than the country as a whole.

      Recognise the spread of Islamic poison for what it is – a deadly disease designed to rot away the indigenous Britons, which will, no doubt, include you.

      Your sanctimonious virtue-signalling will not protect you when you are required to wear a burka and become the property of some depraved ideologue.

  22. Why did BBC reporter Dominic Casciani ‘downplay’ Tory MP murder suspect’s reported Somali origins? D Fail
    As Dominic Casciani covered the crime, social-media users claimed he was ‘desperate to diminish implications of a Muslim Somali immigrant killing an MP’.

    Although every national newspaper with the exception of the Financial Times mentioned that the suspect had Somali ‘origins’, ‘heritage’ or ‘descent’ yesterday, Casciani appeared to wrestle with the issue on Radio 4’s Today programme.

    No comments allowed about BBC/Muzzlum problem – how unusual

    1. At the end of the day, Tommy Robinson will be charged and imprisoned for the murder

      Justice, UK Style, 2021

      Whitey AlwaysGuilty
      BAME Always Innocent:and trying to overcome slave roots Yes Muslims do have slaves, check out Saudi Arabia

      1. The appalling disingenuousness with which he has been treated will probably end in his murder which will be treated as suicide. Such is the depths of degeneracy that government, police, judiciary, and media have sunk to.

    2. The BBC have some sick SOBs wo(r)king for them.
      The very fact that this poor chap was born here and presumably educated here, makes it far worse. He should have known better, but of course it all depends on his upbringing and general life influences. To try and hide behind the the over used possibility of ‘mental illness’ is completely farcical. What he did was more in keeping with mental evilness.

    1. And that’s £18,000 less for the government to p!ss up the wall when Mr. Peake shuffles off.

    2. Morning all.
      This is a ridiculous situation it’s probably the same NHS surgeons who carry out the private surgery. They must be so busy they don’t have time for the NHS patients.
      I know this for a fact, if you have other underlying health issues other than that type of surgery, you are shoved to the back of the queue on the premise that private hospitals don’t have access to the facilities of general medical emergencies, in case anything might go wrong.
      And IMHO this is the start of the end of the NHS as we know it.

        1. Not sure if it really is dysfunctional Obs, it seems to go wrong at management level, as does everything else in this country, front line has always been excellent.

          1. The NHS is a dysfunctional organisation staffed by kind and clever medics. The management, along with most British management, is carp and incompetent.
            When you enter a Norwegian hospital, they ask you whether you have been in a British hospital recently – if yes, you have to go into isolation as a potential carrier of MRSA. That’s not an indication of “the envy of the world”, that’s an inability to learn from Florence Nightingale.

          2. Yes it’s long been established that the management in this country has had a pernicious streak.
            Our youngest son had a terrible car accident a few years ago. He was in A&E then a general ward for his recovery, but it was deemed he might need plastic surgery. After two days nothing had happened we were told there was no bed available at Lister Hospital, so i tried to phone the ward manager at the QE2 WGC. no answer no reply to my messages. I found that there was a bed available but transport was the problem, it’s about 6 miles away ! O spoke to the desk sister and she told me to get in touch with the manager. I offered to take him myself but was told if i did it would be considered to a discharge. I found the managers office the door was locked i rang the number and heard it ring inside same old message. One of the porters came past he asked me if he could help i told him the story and he said, go and stand buy the expensive cars in the car park and a manager will soon turn up. The word must have got through in the end he was taken that afternoon.
            But it’s the same old story in the UK, similar to traffic wardens, even the police now, you give some one a uniform or a responsibility and it rots part of their brain, and they seem to try to take revenge on those they now consider below them.

          3. I use the Royal Surrey. The staff are wonderful and go out of their way to help. Although it is now a month since I had Radiotherapy, I still get two calls a week from them seeing how I am and if I need anything? If I do need anything, it’s available within 24 hours. If I need someone to see me, that is available the same day.

            Being a compulsive reader I was in the lobby of the main building, which I’m glad to say I have little to do with, it resembles a dungeon for all its cheer. There are a series of photos of the grand pan jams and exulted yahoos that run the hospital. In reading who they were, their qualifications and titles. I discovered that out of approximately 3 dozen of these goons, only one was an M.D.

          4. If you have ever watched the DIY ish progs on TV you might have noticed how people who have had absolutely no experience in the Building industry what so ever, declare them selves as project managers.
            It makes me cringe. I was in construction for over 53 years. I have run teams of 10 carpenters on jobs as large as Sainsbury supermarkets dealt with the aggressive (do you know who i am) know it all ‘consultants’ etc. Run large domestic projects my own business and all were successful all projects ending on time and making the desired profit margins. When i see these people it’s perfectly clear they don’t have a clue. But that unfortunately is a typically ‘we know best’ English attitude.

          5. The “Inspired Amateur” approach: Look at fictional detectives – brilliant Poirot, clunking Japp; Miss Marple who always gets her man; Sherlock Holmes… pro blem is, in real life, amateurs are idiots, and often dangerous with it.

          6. A couple of things have stuck in my mind, a legal (top lawyer) expert took over the management of building of his new home and he was stalking the Chap who was fitting his windows. He grabbed the guys spirit level and put it across the sill of the window and told him that the window was 2 mm out of level. But had no idea that if you put a level on a slope and it’s not dead straight it wont show level. The guy packed up his tools put them in his van and drove off, on camera.
            Another one was where the wife had taken charge of the build and she kept mis-ordering the materials and out of sequence and blamed the builders for her mistakes they cleared off as well.
            One other I saw was a woman in London who had a lot of Romanians decorating her flat while she was on holiday, they squatted after they had finished. It took a few weeks to get them out.
            As a proper contracts manager I had a job to run in St Albans and the home owners blamed me,…. the builders, for their oil fired boiler packing up. Sited in an out house they told me it had been serviced recently and we had damaged the workings of it. I discovered a business card in the up stairs airing cupboard, copied the number and rang the Plumber. They lied, it had not been serviced for more than four years. But it needed a new part and I fixed it for them, no genuine thanks whatsoever. The guy’s a local councilor. PIA.

          7. Do you remember the computer disaster with the NHS a few years ago? It cost 11 Billion. Apparently the failure was directly cause by management at the IRS demanding this and that to such an extent it made the system inoperable.

          9. Trying to get info on what’s happening with Mother is a nightmare.
            First challenge is to get someone to answer the phone, then the nurse in charge of her treatment isn’t available, nor is the Occupational therapist, and nobody can actually call back at a time that suits them, or use email. The lack of organisation and coordination is massive. Down to poor management.

          1. Problem is, it’s become a religion, like climate change, such that criticism isn’t allowed.

      2. My contract of employment prohibits me from taking employment with anybody else. Why does the NHS allow this?

        1. I went to see a surgeon re my worn out knee at a local Spire hospital. The last time I went there which was a few years ago, the car park was almost empty. This time and this year it was rammed. It showed a developing pattern. But because I have had a TIA and Afib I was told they were not able to carry out the operation on the premises, because if something went wrong they have no back up. Surely this is not a properly functioning medical unit because anything can go wrong with any operation at any time.

          1. Yes, I noticed that at our local Ramsey Group hospital.
            I believe the NHS does pay for some treatment to be done at private hospitals; it’s probably cheaper as private companies aren’t so keen on platoons of unproductive paper pushers.

          2. OH had his shoulder op two years ago at the Spire in Bristol – via an NHS referral. This time he’s paying for a procedure at an NHS hospital.

        2. Market forces, probably. The whole situation is silly, including the demonising of private operations. All they have to do is make it illegal to charge more for private than for NHS operations, and allow the private hospitals to bill the NHS, and the NHS hospitals to bill the private health insurers. But then you would have to allow people to opt out of paying for the NHS, and they will never allow that, out of dogmatic socialist ideology.

        3. I understand that it was part of the NHS deal at its formation so that doctors would work for them and could still earn a bit extra on the side. I dont suppose salaries were quite as high in those days. What I don’t understand is how some MPs seem to have substantial jobs in their spare time. Its one thing doing after dinner speaking or writing for a paper but some seem to have jobs that take them away from their main role.

          1. This country was far better run when all – or at least most – MPs were part time.
            They still held down proper jobs that brought them into contact with the outside world.
            None of this university, Spad, safe seat gravy train stuff.

          2. 20 years ago I was in agony with gall bladder issues. In 21 days I spent 15 in hospital and they could not fit me in for an operation.
            I could not go on like this so I put my hand in my pocket and paid £6500 to get it done privately. In Friday 5pm, operation at 7pm and I left on Saturday lunchtime.
            The surgeon worked in a major Glasgow hospital and does some 8 or so Gall Bladder ops per week + other operations – all keyhole with the very odd open surgery (Success is No 1 & occasionally keyhole fails)

            Instead of me filling an NHS bed for 15 nights it would have been cheaper for the NHS to pay the private hospital. I was in hospital because they could not control the pain by any method other than drip & injection

      3. The NHS hire out their operating rooms and equipment to private doctors and surgeons.

        1. I know, but they still control who they want to allow into the operating theatres.
          Although part of my knee joint is badly worn away they tried to get me to do some exercises !!! apart from never answering a phone call of an email, the NHS have a new logo now it’s,…………… FOAD. Fuck off and die.

        2. Hardly surprising since it is the same doctors you see on the NHS making a fast buck on top of the already obscene wages they make from us, the taxpayers.

          1. Our GP was the chief Flu Jabber Saturday morning just a mask and hand wash, I hope he didn’t catch anything from that long queue of double jabbed elderly. He’s going to phone me next month…………..

    3. I know of 5 elderly residents in my street who couldn’t wait any longer for various operations. They are all going private out of desperation.

      I honestly believe this is the way the NHS is dealing with those long lists. The two hospital departments i am under are no longer contactable by any means except a brick through their window.

      1. When people stand outside their door and clap the fresh air for the NHS you have no chance of sorting it out. I could not believe how many people did this, in fact Covid has shown that most people are idiots.

        1. My thoughts exactly when I first heard about the “clap for the NHS” – now it’s never going to be fixed.
          Who clapped for the shop assistants, delivery drivers and posties?

          1. Nobody could see us clapping as our front door ( and all the neighbours’ doors) face away from the road, so there was no point in virtue signalling here. Nobody bothered. Not that I was going to anyway.

          2. #Me Too. I wasn’t aware that there were idiots near me until I happened to be out in the garden at 8pm one Thursday and heard the racket.

      2. When people stand outside their door and clap the fresh air for the NHS you have no chance of sorting it out. I could not believe how many people did this, in fact Covid has shown that most people are idiots.

      4. I used what was left to me by my grandparents after 60 years of mismanagement of their estate (7 daughters – none of whom was brought up to be financially savvy).
        My grandparents died before hip replacements were even thought of.

    4. That story stinks! Bet he told his doctor he was going private, so they sent him an appointment and then leaked it to the press!

    6. He is lucky, canadian law prohibits going outside of the approved service and paying. We would need to go down to the US and pay their exorbitant fees if we wanted a quicker fixer upper.

    7. Worth mentioning that much of the 18k would be covering the stay in hospital; a total guess would be that the surgeon’s and anaesthetist’s bill might be £5000.

    8. Worth mentioning that much of the 18k would be covering the stay in hospital; a total guess would be that the surgeon’s and anaesthetist’s bill might be £5000.

  25. It’s just 3 weeks to flatten the curve. It’s just a mask, it’s just a
    lockdown, it’s just to save people. It’s just to save yourself. It’s
    just a vaccine. It’s just another vaccine. It’s just a booster. It’s
    just to save granny. It’s just for the vulnerable. It’s just for the
    over eighties. It’s just for the over seventies. It’s just for the over
    sixties, it’s just for everyone including the kids. It’s just to save
    you from the flu. It’s just so we can reset the whole wide world. It’s
    just so we can get rid of all small businesses. It’s just so you can’t
    go to the pub or the restaurant. It’s just so we can delete the
    un-vaxxed from society. It’s just so that you can feel privileged to
    walk into a shop. It’s just the new normal. It’s just so we can bring in
    digital IDs. It’s just so we can control you. It’s just so we can
    become a one world government. It’s just …..

    2. It is just a bunch of lies, after lies, after lie.

      Good afternoon, Johnny, we know and they know that we know but…

      …what are we going to do about it.

      Mob violence seems the only way out but I’m now too old and too decrepit to lead it as I’d like.

      1. You’ve put your finger on the problem Nanny. What are we going to do about it? The younger generation/s seem completely unaware of the implications for the future and will not be rising up against this tyranny. I fear we are stuffed.

        1. Seems like, vw, that it is up to we oldies, to go and beat them around the head with our crutches, walking sticks and Zimmer frames.

          But they’d just unleash the Stasi on us, as oldies are their favourite and prime targets.

        2. The trouble with the younger generation is that, as well as the indoctrination they have been subjected to, they have never had to fight for anything. They have also, most of them, never lived in a country that wasn’t in the EC/EEC/Common Market/EU.

    1. If any one watched Marr they would have seen HS P.P. making all the excuses under the sun to try to explain why over 30 thousand illegal migrants have come into the UK since the last election. When are they going to get a grip ?

    2. Already the media have labelled him a ‘self radicalised lone wolf’.

      I am beyond caring. If they won’t accept the problem, then they can live with the consequences. Sod the lot of them.

      1. I would have your attitude and understand it. But the reality is while these idiots stick their heads in the sand the problem gets worse and effects the rest of us. So I choose to be vocal about it.

      2. How would they know he’s being entertained in a police custody suite.
        We already know that the media spout absolute Bolero………… all the time.

  27. Today is my second son’s birthday – he is 26. His mother married me when she was 26 and one week old so Henry had better hurry up! Christo, his older brother, planned to marry this summer at 27 but this has been postponed to next year when he will be 28 because of Covid.

    Christo had a difficult adolescence but this made life easier for Henry who decided that being a stroppy adolescent was not much fun so after giving adolescence a go for about three months he decided to grow up instead.

    But the transition from childhood to adulthood via adolescence can be difficult and painful for parents and offspring alike. This beautiful song by Harvey Andrews gives an account of his relationship with his adored father which hit a very rocky patch before the adolescent turned into a man.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jc6hHXYmBI

    2. I married my lovely lady when I was 28 and she was 26, 47 years ago. We have three sons aged 32 39 and 43. And yesterday was our eldest grandsons 6th birthday. All his school friends from the village were at his party in the village hall. Probably 25 of them, the noise was unbearable……….oh well i’m just and old grandad now.

      1. I lived to regret marrying at 20 – not that I regret having my children. But second time around has been better. Older and wiser – silver wedding due next year.

        1. I was 22 when I had my first child .

          There was so much I wanted to do with my life .. I had never had my own space , all shared space from boarding school to nursing to marriage .

          1. I was also 22 when my elder son was born. I had never had an independent life away from mother or husband until I persuaded him to leave and subsequently divorced him.
            I don’t regret that or starting again with my second husband.

          2. So what you are saying (© Cathy Newman) is that you divorced your elder son. Hmmmmm… tricky.

          3. Not exactly, no. As there’s a full stop after “my elder son was born” and I subsequently mentioned my husband, any intelligent reader would know that I divorced my husband, not my son. Nitpickers, on the other hand………..

          7. I didn’t marry until I was 30 – I wanted to see the world first. In the event, I did, but I also saw the world after I got married 🙂

      2. Married at 21 and still with the same lady. 40 anniversary next summer. No regrets on my side, SWMBO is schtumm on the subject…

    4. Firstborn was 30 this summer.
      No lady in his life, and he’s getting upset about it. All we want for him is a kind lass who will love him.
      We’d like grandchildren, so his barrenness is upsetting on two fronts.

    5. Greetings Rastus, my marriage record is not great (to say the least) but my second marriage produced my one and only child. He is now 34 and has been with his partner for 15 years. They have a wonderful daughter (7 years) and I am so proud of him. He will never be ‘brain of Britain’ but he is compassionate, hard working and a fantastic father – much better than I was. We have a great relationship and my lovely granddaughter gives me so much joy.

    6. Ha! you try having four. At one point, they were all teenagers at the same time for about ten days.

      1. 340169+ up ticks,
        Morning RE,
        H/S have banned the use of ladders which leaves only one solution in this case, and that is to stand on the shoulders of the now redundant person who used to stand at the bottom of the ladder.

      3. Needs a scaff tag, you mean. Ladder not properly secured, or certified, and I bet he hasn’t had a course with certificate in ladder climbing… no yellow vest, either. And that’s just the cat!

        1. For some reason a lot of Tommy Robinson videos have popped into my You Tube feed. Many of them I haven’t seen before. They illustrate perfectly well that we do not have free speech in this country anymore unless what we are talking about doesn’t matter. I will post a couple later on and you will see what I mean. One of them starts with the most horrendous threats by Muslims to Robinson that if made to anyone else would land the miscreants in jail. As it is nothing has happened to these disgusting people at all.

          1. The MSM make a lot of his original name without ever explaining that he is known as Tommy Robinson to protect his family from the threats made against them.

          2. I’m not sure but I think his wife has had enough and divorced him. Sad but inevitable I should think.

  30. Interesting open letter by a German broadcaster about the suppression of debate on opposing views in Germany – much as here.

    https://multipolar-magazin.de/artikel/i-cannot-do-it-anymore

    In an open letter, an employee of German public broadcaster ARD

    is critical of one and a half years of Corona coverage: Ole Skambraks

    has worked as an editorial assistant and editor at the public

    broadcaster for 12 years.

    OLE SKAMBRAKS, 14. Oktober 2021, 0 Kommentare, PDF

    1. Hi Ndovu, that was a long read but worth the effort. It is well written and covers numerous aspects of the pandemic and the way governments and their media supporters have acted. The suppression of free speech and open discussion is particularly concerning.

      “ In the United States, it is already being discussed whether criticising science should be labelled a hate crime. The Rockefeller Foundation has announced a grant of 13.5 million dollars to censor misinformation in the health field.”

      Misinformation or anything that disagrees with us.

      1. It seems that any deviation of thought or speech from the globalist party line is either “misinformation” or “hate speech” or both.

      2. The whole point of science is that it is constantly criticised. That’s what makes it science as opposed to religion. But then, tht’s the point, isn’t it?

        Science replaced religion. We went from blind belief to questioning and demanding facts and evidence. Now, the state faces the terror of being questioned, of being asked ‘why’ and it hates it. Thus the psuedo-science of the state must be made unquestionable, undeniable regardless of worth or value. How else can the state ensure the obedience it has lost?

        1. Feynman: “Better the question that cannot be answered than the answer that cannot be questioned.”

    2. As we all now know, J, this is all down to Big Pharma having all but its own junk vaccines allowed.

      Massive bribery and probably previous ‘gotcha’ knowledge, on heads of state must figure largely.

      If there is any conspiracy, it is down to Big Pharma and its sycophantic brown envelope receivers

    3. You want suppression of speech? Try this ruling in Alberta against three anti vaxers who have been a real pain to the authorities:

      The judge issued an order that the men, in lecturing or preaching from now on, must include a disclaimer stating that their ideas about vaccines are in conflict with the scientific consensus and majority medical opinion.

      Never mind that compelled speech is against the Canadian charter.

      1. That’s pretty shocking. Not surprising, sadly.

        Apparently, in the German state of Hessen, shops are now allowed to refuse entry to people who can’t show evidence of having been double jabbed (or presumably, had the lurgy in the last 6 months).
        Wonder how that will go.

      2. No doubt soon it’ll be green nonsense. As for scientific consensus, that depends on who you ask, doesn’t it?

  31. Found it!!!
    Corker of a comment under the DT letters:

    “Chester Drawers

    17 Oct 2021 7:03AM

    @Sean Halliday How was Plod to know it was a blood spattered Islamic extremist who was sitting , possibly holding a knife, next to the dying MP who did it? Sir David may have beenn trying to shave himself with a large knife and fell on the knife several times, and those who witnessed the murder all lying wacists. Or it may have even been the Catholic Priest “what done it”, and was hoping to have another go The stupidity of the police never ceases to amaze.

    The people of the UK have clearly lost a very fine M.P., sadly one of the minority of old style members who care more for their electors than their political careers.”

    1. Sir David sounded like many of the dedicated hard working MP’s we respected years ago .

      He seemed to be a great hands on guy. and the monster who murdered him must not be handled with kid gloves .

      An Eye for an Eye , and all that .
      Swing him from a tall crane !

      1. …and when he’s dead bury him with a pig as company and see what the 72 virgins make of that.

    2. Somebody in my local rag questioned whether Boris was Willie Dewitt. I think he’s more like Willy Wonky.

  32. Good afternoon, all.

    Well now, despite the efforts of much of the MSM to ignore the facts, it turns out that the man arrested on suspicion of the brutal murder of Sir David Amess MP was a muslim from Somalia and yet again, he is reported to have been on a watchlist of possible terrorist threats, flagged-up by the Counter-Terrrorism Police.

    These bastards have been slaughtering our own people on our own soil for long enough but perhaps now that one of their own has been so savagely killed by a muslim immigrant, our legislators, – who constantly trot-out the tired old mantra of “inclusivity and diversity” and welcome these third-world barbarians with open arms, while demonising and persecuting those of us who protest this insane policy – might learn something of value from the tragedy. After all, as we all know, MPs are fond of vowing to “learn lessons” when things go wrong.

    Nonetheless, I don’t think I’ll hold my breath.
    :¬(

    1. Quite frankly, we could write the script and save an awful lot of police and MSM time.
      For a consideration, natch. 20% of the saved wages? 25%? 30%? Place your bids here.

    2. Don’t be daft. They’re all now desperately excusing it as a lone wolf attack with absolutely nothing – NOTHING, do you hear? To do with Islam whatsoever. Nothing.

      Instead MPs must now have more money to protect them from the public and more rights to control access to ensure they are safe.

      Meanwhile, the endless tide of vermin will pour in.

    3. If an Islamic terrorist wiped out the whole cabinet they would still not see or admit that there might be a causal relationship between the number of fanatical Islamists who enter Britain and the number of people assassinated by them.

    1. Boris is even more stupid and clueless than I thought. Not having a TV, I haven’t seen his lacklustre performances in front of the camera. Not a micro-gramme of substance on show at all.

      1. I do possess a TV (but I don’t watch it) so that’s the first time I’ve seen either of them perform – ye gods! These people have the key to the nuclear trigger!

  35. 340169+ up ticks,

    The overseers are giving their controlling intentions plenty of broadcast
    time, future, suggestions at the moment, that they want to control the meat of the truth appertaining to the internet and the herds use of, and the
    consumption of the meat via the oven.

    Sweets did NOT go off rationing until 1953 approx. be no surprise to see it’s return courtesy of the priti one & co.

    The herd is most certainly being conditioned in no small way whilst the political piggies are living high on the hog.

    1. Morrisons cancelled my order for the second time in 2 days, again with no explanation. Sent another email of complaint, and that’s the relationship over. I’ll not be ordering anything from them again.
      What pi55es me off royally is it is a good friend’s birthday present, of a hamper, so double disappointment. And their email, after saying they were packing the delivery, just says “We’re sorry, but we’ve not been able to fulfil your order which was due on 16 October, so we’ve had to cancel it. You won’t be charged for this order – details are below.”
      GRR!!

        1. Signed with Witrose. All the others needed a Uk-based credit card – for unexplained reasons, since it’s a CREDIT CARD, and they get paid anyway, but when I signed up, Morrisons didn’t. That, and that they are local to Mother, is why I went with them.

          1. Did you try Marks and Spencer’s (Ocado) surely they could cope with something so simple?

          2. Looks like I have to register with a postcode he same as the billing address – and that doesn’t work, unfortunately.

  37. Good afternoon all
    I’ve had a very profitable morning. Our Building & Contents insurance is due early next month and I received the renewal quote, Liverpool Vic, a week or so ago and they wanted £185 versus £155 last year. I always shop around and this year took note of this email https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/insurance/home-insurance/ and, as usual, went to comparison websites. Well I couldn’t believe it but putting all the same inf as my existing insurance the least expensive was Liverpool Vic but the premium was £116 for the year, a saving of nearly £70.
    Phoned LV and they checked and I paid up PDQ as it might have changed but the end of the day.

    Well worth checking your insurance as it’s all likely to go up next year.

    1. I do this every year on all my insurances. I always email the company I’m leaving to tell them that customers would stay if they didn’t put it up every year and that I’m getting it for less than last years premium by changing. I’m paying the same , or less, premiums than I was 5 years ago. All done on comparison websites.

    2. Living on the fen edge, we are penalised and many companies won’t cover us. Allegedly, we are in a high flood risk zone. Our late neighbour was born in the village over 100 years ago, and said there had never been a single incident of flooding in her lifetime, and the same with her parents. We benefit from the well maintained (dredged at least twice every year by the Inland Drainage Board) network of drainage dykes. There is one small river about a mile away which very occasionally tops its banks into nearby fields but the water never goes far.

      1. I never auto-renew either. I was just staggered at the difference. It’s the largest I’ve ever known. Perhaps i git the timing right with luck.

  38. Yay!!!! There is something to be said for small dogs sniffing every blade of grass and taking ages to check out fallen leaves.
    Today’s gentle potter gave me a chance to flex a dodgy foot that had been playing up for the past 3 weeks after attending our friends’ Golden Wedding bash.
    A combination of wearing heels for the first time in 2 years plus bopping around to YMCA (or, possibly Dancing Queen) rather did for my right foot.
    Let’s hear it for slathering on the Movelat.

    1. Hi Anne.
      What a coincidence, I’m just getting over a bout of gout too, in my L ankle.

      1. PS I use a 5% Ibuprofen gel on NHS prescription (i.e. free) for a painful joint. Movelat & Voltarol are comparatively weak & cost Mazuma..

          4. Funnily enough, yes. After several days (which what I would needed this time) I feel very queasy.

      2. My doctor, against my fierce objections, took me off Naproxen to manage my gout and put me on Alopurinol instead.

        My faith in the medical profession has been restored, it works!

  42. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha…

    A million euro literary prize has lured three Spanish men out of anonymity, to reveal that they are behind ultra-violent Spanish crime thrillers marketed as the work of “Spain’s Elena Ferrante”

    Female Spanish thriller writer Carmen Mola revealed to be three men

    The men had published under the pseudonym Carmen Mola, which roughly translates as “Carmen’s cool”.

    When one of their books won the lucrative Planeta prize, the trio went public to pick up the cheque at a glitzy ceremony attended by the Spanish king.

    Trio step out from behind pseudonym marketed as ‘Spain’s Elena Ferrante’ to accept €1m prize

    Agustín Martínez, Jorge Díaz and Antonio Mercero had published novels and worked as scriptwriters under their real names before coming together to write as Mola. Credits include work on TV series “Central Hospital” and “Blind Date”.

    Their lead character in the Carmen Mola novels is detective Elena Blanco, a “peculiar and solitary woman, who loves grappa, karaoke, classic cars and sex in SUVs”, according to publisher Penguin Random House.

    The men, all in their 40s and 50s, denied choosing a female pseudonym to help sell the books. “We didn’t hide behind a woman, we hid behind a name,”

    That will have the wet wokes weeping for weeks.

    1. Excellent.
      And not such fun……….a single ticket holder in France collected £184 million on the Euro lottery.

        2. So you live in France as well.
          It’s a lovely country and most of the people are very friendly we use to travel all over when our three boys were younger, we loved it. But the hierarchy have a long standing problem.

  43. the latest version of lone assailant Al-Stabbi has spent x years living in Britain; is it beyond the wit of the MSM to find and publish a photo of him? OK, faceybook is Jewish, but surely young mossies must use some form of social meeja.

  44. According to this data there were 3,416 deaths in the UK in the time period
    shown. The majority of deaths between 1970 and 1990 were in Northern
    Ireland (84%). There are two clear peaks in the annual number of people
    killed: 1972, when 344 people were killed in Northern Ireland, and 1988, when
    271 people were killed in Scotland in the Lockerbie bombing.

    The general trend from around the 1990s is a decrease in the number of
    people of killed due to terrorism. However, in 2005 and 2017 there were higher
    than average deaths recorded. In 2005 there were 57 deaths related to
    terrorism (including perpetrators), of which 56 occurred in London in the
    7 July bombings. In 2017, three separate attacks in resulted in multiple
    deaths: Westminster Bridge and Palace (6 deaths), Manchester Arena (23
    deaths) and London Bridge (11 deaths).

    The Office for National Statistics also publish data on deaths due to terrorism.
    The available figures show that there were 95 deaths in England and Wales
    from April 2003 to 31 March 2020 due to terrorism (excluding perpetrators). https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7613/CBP-7613.pdf

  45. Sir David Amess: Cops raid ‘terror suspect’s childhood home’. D Fail

    Terror suspect?

    Ere’ Sarge! This fella standing over the corpse is covered in blood and waving a ‘effing great knife. Should we arrest him?

    Be careful PC Jackass, he could be a doctor. You can’t be rushing to conclusions without proof. Tell him he may have to report to the local station to help with our enquiries. Don’t harass him by asking for his name et cetera, he could bring an accusation of racial hatred – and we don’t want that, do we?

          1. Probably not – hence my decision to drop off those illegal gimmegrunts who won’t disclose their country of origin, on a Somali beach at midnight, clad only in their underwear.

  46. Guardian:

    ‘Little Amal in Britain: giant puppet of Syrian girl reaches her journey’s end. Three-metre tall figure will land on Folkestone beach after walking thousands of miles across Europe.’

    Will then be doing a tour of the UK, no doubt to cheering crowds of virtue-signallers. Wonder if anyone will be checking who or what is inside this item?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/17/little-amal-in-britain-giant-puppet-of-syrian-girl-reaches-her-journeys-end

    1. With a retinue of several thousand displaced ‘children’. Final destination Manchester – lucky, lucky Manchester.

    3. What a load of indoctrinating codswallop!
      Well done to the mayor of this Greek town: (quoted from the above leftie rag’s article “In Kalambaka, a village in northern Greece, which is home to ancient Greek Orthodox monasteries built into rocks, the village council decided not to receive a “Muslim doll from Syria”, as the mayor described Amal.”

    1. Hmm, tough call.
      If I was forced to go on holiday with Boris, I might kill him for being such an annoying, empty-headed, boastful, untrustworthy waste of time.
      Forced to go on holiday with Starmer, I’d probably kill myself.

      1. Thanks to Boris’s greenery wokery we can’t even consider a holiday. Keeping warm over the next few months is the priority.
        And Starmer would be no better.

        1. Well, it’s clearly a weekend in Bognor Regis, with either of them. Stuck in a hotel room with rain lashing against the windows and nothing better to do than pace the nylon carpet, avoid knives and try to stop oneself from going insane.

        3. Stick a wick up Boris’s bum until it protrudes from his mouth and you’d have candle that lasted all winter.

      2. I imagine Boris the man is quite interesting.

        I’d asking him why he’s doing everything he has publicly written against.

        1. I think he’s as shallow as a puddle, and the answer is “Because people are telling me to, and they will be very angry if I don’t do what they say, and if I comply I will never have to worry about money again in my life.”

    2. If I could choose my preferred route it would be the Bow River – I’d take them both. Back and forth up and down the Bow Locks just to prove to them that we are completely up to here with their Bow Locks…..

    3. Well I suppose Boris wouldn’t be fuss about his hair , Starmer would probably need to primp and preen .

      Boris could be good fun I expect , he is strong , can float , guzzle good food , and laugh and joke .. He might endanger fellow holiday makers with daft japes , but on the whole he could be uplifting company, water off a ducks back, that sort of thing . He would have to be careful of strong sunshine , just like me !

      Moh is a boring sunbather !

      I don’t think he would be a bar room bore like Starmer , but I wouldn’t complain about Boris for company , I just would hate to be fibbed to!

      2. I think the biggest difference between them is the breaking strains of the ropes needed to hang ’em.

    4. I would rather go on holiday with you and charge it to them. Sherry on account. Tastes even better.

          2. Dolly glares at me when it’s her teatime. She wouldn’t have any interest in anything other. :@)

  48. Our MPs, with a lot less than 100 honourable exceptions, have distanced themselves from the electorate by abandoning any effort to hold back the flood of corruption and evil that the Virus Outrage represents.

    While some still concern themselves with party politics as business as usual, the fox is busy in the henhouse and killing wantonly and without restraint. There is every reason to believe from the metrics that the victims of the injectates are losing their natural immunity at a rate that, if it goes on, will mean most have zero natural protection by next spring. With Mr Fauci about you don’t need to have an eccentric sex life to get AIDS. As this becomes clearer where will the parties stand, and do we care? A newly imagined public life is becoming a fundamental need.

    https://www.tarableu.com/all-victims-of-the-injections-will-have-fully-lost-their-natural-immunity-by-april-22-uk-phe-metrics/

    1. 340169+ up ticks,
      Afternoon JWE,
      Could it consist this time of chaps of this ilk as I truly believe that the lab / lib / con coalition have had a bloody good innings these last three plus decades, and have the nation in the same odious state as Maggie Mays underwear torn,tattered, and apt to fall down any time soon.

      https://youtu.be/NTYJEiG0h-A

    2. So why hasn’t another super-power blasted it out of the heavens.

      Oh, yeah, dopey Joe thinks it a large firework.

    1. A dog would certainly show more loyalty to his or her public than most politicians. Having a dog for mayor of London would have the added benefit of upsetting many Londonistan residents :0

      1. It certainly would upset them. To them dogs are evil. The story is that a dog prevented the Angel Gabriel from communicating with Mohammad. If you believe that a being second only to God in power would be interfered with by a dog your religion can’t be worth very much that it would make such a feeble accusation against mans best friend.

          6. Odd only at first glance. I rage against the contradictions of Islam, but away from the mosque not all mossies are equal. A bit like Christianity, where there are dozens of sects, and spiritual matters tend to be quietly balanced against the social side of church attendance.
            If Mayor Khan wants to feel assured that he and his family are ‘middle class’, a dog is a rung on that ladder; also, a pooch provides 24 hour security alerts, is generally loyal and keeps your waistline trim. However, for an impoverished nomadic tribe in the wilderness 1400 years ago , dogs were also a source of parasites and diseases.

      3. And would be more intelligent than khan, more useful, would make more sense and pass more coherent policies.

      1. Please, Peddy, don’t insult Old English sheep-dogs.

        He is just an unkempt, useless slob.

  51. The latest bfrom Glen Greenwald. The only left winger with integrity. I have noticed lately that he has popped up speaking several times to Tucker Carlson, Dave Rubin and others on the Right. I think he is coming over from the Dark Side, a person we can treasure.

    Civil Liberties Are Being Trampled by Exploiting “Insurrection” Fears. Congress’s 1/6 Committee May Be the Worst Abuse Yet.

    https://greenwald.substack.com/p/civil-liberties-are-being-trampled-8bf?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoyNTA0MjA0MiwicG9zdF9pZCI6NDI3MTM1OTIsIl8iOiJBUjhhMyIsImlhdCI6MTYzNDQ4OTYxNCwiZXhwIjoxNjM0NDkzMjE0LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMTI4NjYyIiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.veqxcS5f_K7v0Vk4G6ipWAmzLyWST1OYF_IlvcK5lhA

      1. And the state protects them with the usual tired lies: ‘lone wolf’, ‘all Britain’s fault’.

        This will only end when the Left wing press stop lying and cheating.

      1. Only 100, some refused to come did they, Ol?

        The gimmegrants are getting more help from the Fench (spit) than our troops had from them at Dunkirk,

      2. Only 100, some refused to come did they, Ol?

        The gimmegrants are getting more help from the Fench (spit) than our troops had from them at Dunkirk,

        1. Our hotels have got to be filled with permanent holiday makers so millions per week of our taxes can be handed over to the owners

    3. Why can’t you be honest – just for once, Sad Dick – and say, “I am sorry that he was brutally murdered by a slammer”?

      Just asking….

      2. He ‘Cant’ hypocritical and sanctimonious talk, typically of a moral, religious, or political nature.

    4. They’ll be happy? when they’ve turned this island into their ****hole. Permanent anger. What a crap life.

      1. When whitey has died out, or emigrated to safer places, there won’t be anyone left to fund their life of freebies. They might have to work.

        1. Exactly. Whitey has apparently invented loads of things over the years – – wipe us out – – ?????

  54. I am just looking in to say good night. Lovely day. Saw the new baby – er, looked just like a new baby…! Funny to think that when she is my age, it will be the twenty-second century.

    ALSO – saw our last cat – dear old MOUSIE – now 17 years old. A bit slower, stouter but she instantly remembered us. It was very touching. When the MR got her job in Monaco, we had to find a home for Mousie. A very old chum – through whom the MR and I met – was cat free and said she would never have a cat again.

    Chum came up for weekend – and went home with Mousie – who has lived a life of luxury in the country near Bury St Edmunds – waited on by chum and all her pals!

    Have a jolly evening.

    A demain

    3. Evening Bill – I felt the opposite when I was watching “Gettysburg” tonight. A child born during the American civil war could have still been alive when I was born.
      What a needless waste of life that civil war was.

  55. ‘Evening Peeps.

    The following DT headline has cheered me up somewhat:

    French fishermen threaten Channel blockade as Macron snubbed by EU countries
    Emmanuel Macron was diplomatically humiliated when EU nations poured cold water over his attempts to hit the UK with economic sanctions

    Oh dear, little Blonaparte been snubbed by some of his EU chums. How sad…

    1. It will be good to see the French fisherpeople blockading the Channel, to stop the invasion of UK.

      A debt being repaid?

  56. Lovely concert this afternoon – piano, baritone and poet, and English songs: including Ireland, Ivor Gurney and also settings of Gurney’s poems by Ian Venables, who was in the audience. The poet read some of his poems after the interval, and then the pianist’s setting of some of the poems was the final part of the concert. Some highly talented young people.

        1. I am pleased, at times, even with Hearing Aids in, I find it hard to follow conversation, speech on the *telly, etc

          Not Mr Savalas

          1. I worked decades in a very noisy factory – – AND went to Top Fuel Drag Racing – – which actually pummels you with shock waves from the exhausts, I shouldn’t even have ANY eardrums left..
            A workmate of many years asked to go with me as he couldn’t get his mind round what I told him. We went. He thought i’d talked lies. Then the first pair went – – he actually threw himself away from the fence abd onto the floor. When he stood up he was trembling ALL OVER. He shook ALL day. At least he knows what Adrenaline feels like now !!!!

    2. Sounds good, J. Tuesday sees the reinstatement of choir practices in the parish, Still don’t know why they were held off for many months, but we are where we are. Next Saturday sees Imperial College Chamber Choir performing a concert at St John the Baptist, Puttenham. Following a cream tea reception at 4 pm. N Ferguson is assuredly not involved. Dianne’s coming. Now that she’s in Devon, I fully expect she’ll spread cream before the jam. Sacrilege – I’m more Cornwall, in this respect…

  57. Right……chicken’s cooking; smoked salmon to open & serve, veggies to cook, so will love you and leave you for now.

          2. Fine, thank you.
            My PC got a virus and has had to be “rebuilt” from scratch.
            Very time-consuming and expensive.

            So much for all the supposedly state of the art AV products.
            Getting ready to travel and that too is a nightmare of bureaucratic idiocy.

          3. Sigh. One needs to keep one’s wits about you. I had an email yesterday, purporting to be from WhatsApp, with a link to a ‘voice message’.

            I use WhatsApp regularly; it’s the only Fa**book product I’m prepared to use. Thing is, it’s linked to my mobile phone number, and not my email address. So, even if I hadn’t spotted the dodgy address related to the ‘click here’ button, it was obviously a scam. Worth looking out for…

    2. My only worry would be 47 large airliners full of jihadis just arguing about which city to crash the aircraft into.

    3. That’s only the ones they have identified. Probably there are a few thousand more ‘sleeping’ and, so far, off the radar. 40,000 is a terrifying number.

    5. I imagine that a thousand could easily be crammed into a C130 Hercules.

      The clam-shell back door is good for ejecting rubbish.

  59. It seems Nordstream2 is primed and ready to roll.Just awaiting the permit to be signed.
    “But if we sign the permit,Putin has won”
    “If we don’t sign it we shut down Europe”

    Decisions decisions.

  60. Timing is everything. When was Sir David Amiss stabbed? When did the police arrive? Too soon? No one else there? Were the police pre-warned?

        1. The MSM would hear that a Radical Whitey had been ‘run over’ by a female driving a car

          He is dead

          No more wimmen drivers

      2. David Amess was a noted Friend of Israel and had campaigned for the statue of Wallenberg who had saved many Jews from the Holocaust. He was also a devout and committed Christian.

        As far as the wretched BBC reporting goes, the suspect is the victim and the suspect’s father traumatised by the knowledge that his son was ‘self radicalised’. They can tell that load of shite to the Marines.

      3. Will they create a false flag event that they can blame on far right extremism as a distraction?

      4. Will they create a false flag event that they can blame on far right extremism as a distraction?

      5. As, I monotonously say

        Symptom

        Defect

        Our “Defect” is that ‘System’ give more Rights to incoming BAMEs than it does to ethnic Brits, by that I mean people
        of any oolour who have lived in UK peacably.

        Seemingly, 100,000 people have been prosecuted for not payingTV Tax, but just watch 40,000 enemy agents
        Will the Blair Witch defend you against a Fine for no TV Licence NO, but she will prevent a terrorist being deported

        Grooming Gangs Roam Free

        Say wrong word to/about a BAME hate crime, but because of them we rip down statues of the likes of Nelson
        There is more afoot than we (will ever) know

        1. 340169+up ticks,
          Evening OLT

          A great many of the herd are entitled to know, seeing as over the decades they have put them there and kept them there.

  61. Good night all.

    Lamb samosas with a rather hot aloo gobi saag. Cooled off with a very cold custard tart.

  62. Evening, all. MPs are already (at least, most of them) distanced from the electorate. They don’t live in the world as it affects the rest of us. It was harvest festival, supposedly, today at Church. I say supposedly because we didn’t have any harvest hymns apart from Now Thank We All Our God. Everybody wanted to know where We Plough The Fields And Scatter was. To cap it all, we had the Bishopette of Birkenhead to take the service and she lectured us on climate change, claimed that today’s gospel didn’t mean what it said (it was about not worrying for the future) and how we should stop travelling around in our “gas guzzlers”. That didn’t go down well, either! Lo! When I went back to my car (an economical Aygo) I discovered that the high performance Porsche that I’d parked next to belonged to no less a personage than the Bishopette. Mote and Beam, anyone?

    1. You couldn’t make it up, Conners. A few years ago, when I had my C200 Merc estate (with around 200k on the clock), I chased around the parish to get some notices in place, before the Archdemon* arrived for his visitation. He had a much more recent E-class estate.

      For what it’s worth, we had ‘Now thank we all our God’ this morning, along with ‘O worship the King’ and ‘He who would valiant be’ (hobgoblins and foul fiends included…)

      1. Yes, we had the last hymn (obviously chosen, like ours, from the RCM list for the day), only our words were Who Would True Valour See (which confused me no end as I kept singing the original words I knew by heart).

        1. When I were but an RN Appentice back in the earlt ’60’s , we had Church Parade every Wednesday morning.

          The Station Band played little known tunes, for well known hymns: We were expected to sing

          The next Parade, we sang the well known hymns to well known tunes

          Week three, the band joined us

        2. It’s the same with me, Connors but it is the new-fangled Lord’s Prayer that does my head in.

          1. We are lucky inasmuch as the Lord’s Prayer is the only bit that hasn’t been “modernised” in the Sunday service. Me, I still use the BCP versions where I can. I don’t like the new version of the Credo (for one thing, it means “I believe” not “we believe”).

          2. Ah, I’m spoiled. Cranmer language, BCP, KJV. The only surprise, having changed churches at such an odd time, was to discover when congregations were able to sing again that we sing the Credo and Pater Noster. Also the Angelus.

          4. We do, though it’s an Anglican parish church. The choir sing in Latin and the congregation in English – but in some ways we’re pre-Vatican 2!

          6. When I was a child growing up the church I attended used to be an Oxford Movement one – bells, smells, genuflections and vestments. I loved it. We sang kyrie eleison, Christe eleison, kyrie eleison, too.

          7. I once gave a solo performance of Elgar’s ‘Sabbath Morning at Sea’ for the centenary of the Church of the Ascension in Malvern. This is High Anglican, and was built in 1903 to out-Catholic the Catholics, who had just built their church just up the road.

            It is stuffed full of Marys and Catholic iconery, no windows down below (because after Emancipation, too many locals in Victorian times were chucking bricks though the windows of Papist establishments). The Church of the Ascension is one of the few places where the priest still faces the High Altar throughout; the Catholics gave that up in the 1960s.

          8. Wednesday morning Eucharist is BCP – a little haven of poetry in an often drab world. Sometimes on Sundays the choir sings the Sanctus in Latin and occasionally the Agnus Dei ditto.

          9. That was done because directly translated from Latin “credo” is in the first person singular. The Reformation-era translation team’s grasp of Latin was not brilliant.

            I actually have problems liturgically with “we believe”. It suggests a groupthink, absolving one of personal commitment. Was this the intention of the Protestants – to make them conforming sheep submitting to the will and over-riding authority of the Pastor, to dictate what his flock believes?

          10. In the Book of Common Prayer it is still “I believe”. The “We” is a recent innovation, so it can be blamed on the modernisers (inclusivity, doncha no) rather than the Protestants.

      2. Oh, now I’ve got the tune in my head. When I was little I thought the next words were ” gain stole his aster…”

    2. We don’t seem to do harvest at Barts and I don’t miss it. Very little relevance for a city church and in this case the parish is the hospital, so an added twist. This evening we marked the Feast Day of St Luke, which is tomorrow. Sermon entirely about Luke. The murdered MP was mentioned in the intercessions.

      1. We are a rural parish with lots of farmers in the congregation. We even have the blessing of the plough on Plough Sunday.

        2. #WeToo, Connors, Best Beloved provided many sandwiches for the tea after the Harvest Festival Service.

          As a rural parish, we are fighting on 3 fronts against being surrounded by 500 acres of Solar Panels, funded by McQuarrie (Australia), EFD (France) and Statkraft (Norway). Objections raised by all and sundry but I don’t hold out much hope.

          2. The hard working panels are visually harmless compared to the chainlink fences and cctv cameras surrounding the solar camps.

    3. You should have scribbled a note with your last sentence and left it under the windscreen wiper for her. And ‘today’s gospel’, eh? Interesting. I haven’t been to a church service in years, 16 years, because I just cannot stand these hypocritical spouters of the Lord’s words. However, in these troubled times I long to just go and sit in the village church (just 50 yds away) for peaceful spiritual renewal. Sadly it has been locked for a few months as loudspeaker equipment was removed from it on one occasion, although it was locked at night. I do wonder if word had been sent out from the bishop to keep it locked at all times in line with govt policy. Which is to kill Christianity.

      1. Thankfully, Mum, our little 12th Century Church is rarely locked. Like you, I’m just 100 yards away and am also Lay Chairman of the PCC (Parochial Church Council).

        Our responsibility is purely for the Church fabric and we have completely renovated the roof, sorted out the Tower roof, erected a commemorative weather vane and, since it is the hub of a village with no pub, shop, school, village hall, I personally managed to raise £30,000 which, together with a parishioner’s legacy of £50,000, we have added a kitchen and toilet, allowing more functions to take place.

        Even though I am agnostic, I love this little haven of peace and quiet.

          1. No, Walter, you’re not.

            More like £100,000, made up of £30,000 plus £50,000 and what we already had in the Fabric Fund and claiming back all the VAT that, as a charity, we are allowed.

          3. Our church in Ashen is evidently prepared to pay £90k for a bog and kitchenette under the tower.

            In the past the church teamed up with the nearby village hall to provide facilities at events in the church.

          4. Most of these churches are Grade 1 listed, which means that any building work done to them must be up to medieval standard. None of your B&Q tat there.

            My village church, put in by the Normans about 900 years ago had to have all those Italian tiles put in the chancel ripped out and replaced by authentic Victorian ones.

      2. Alas she disappeared before I could do so. It’s a shame that your church is locked. Can you not contact your verger or church warden to arrange to have it open for a short time so you could go and sit for quiet contemplation?

          1. Whoever it is can only say “no” (more likely, “that’s too difficult”). Our verger opens the church daily from 10.00 to 16.00.

  63. Night all

    I will be totally stupid and say

    I hope life improve in UK, but I will not hold my breath,

    Before we get to Zero Carbon Emmisions, we will be Caliphated,

    O’Banana will be happy

    1. There’s a video on the Lockdown Sceptics page on FB of an absolutely massive demo in Italy. Far bigger than any of the London marches.

      1. Think govts are losing it BIG TIME. Screaming Covid figures at us, then shutting countries down – then death figures come out as %ages and its ??? HOW small,???? Govts then re-find flu ??? – – now find the SUPER COLD???? – Daren’t admit what they are/have been – doing – so got to “ramp it up” even more. – – We should all be dead by the morning !!! PLUS – despite ” we are stopping illegals” – – and waving in ANYONE – they’re making us pay for them to be here on bl00dy holiday in hotels. – – its not even organised chaos.

          1. Can you invite me in as well, Sue? I can’t find it on Facebook. I am not very good with FB, I joined only to get village news. I can’t really find mt way around it. It took me ages to get the hang of Twitter, I couldn’t understand how it worked.

          2. Just sent an invite. It has to be moderated of course, as they’ve had to become very careful lest FB shut them down.

          3. Just had a look and I’m in – thankyou. I read a very long piece today about the harmful effects of the vax and I hope we will escape them. OH is 78 he was amongst the earlier groups to be jabbed. He had the Pfizer with no noticeable side effects but who knows what it’s done to his immune system . I had the AZ in February and April- again no side effects that I noticed unless the stiff shoulder is one. We’ve both decided to decline the boosters and hope not too much damage has been done. It’s obvious now from the daily death figures (even though they are exaggerated) that the vast majority of these people have had the jabs.

  65. 340169+ up ticks,

    We have been in denial about the violent sickness in British society
    From the far-Right to the scourge of Islamist terror, we have failed to confront the reality now facing us

    One moment, this “we” who is inclusive of that ? the lab/lib/con parties for sure but there were a great many others that have been pointing out the dangers for decades Gerard Batten book form & rhetoric since 2005
    treacherously taken out via the party nEc / nige input, outspoken on danger of islamic ideology.

    Anne Marie Waters suffering deplatforming, WHY, could it be, in your face pointing out “the dangers of islamic ideology” on site fighting the teachers corner in Batley & Spen.

    Many for decades have been warning few have been taking heed, it does come across as valuation of the odious situation could seriously upset the voting pattern.

    1. For God’s sake, Ogga, since she has now been de-platformed (whatever that means) can she not see that she MUST enter into some agreement with Laurence Fox to present a united front to the electorate, who have already identified that Lib/Lab/Con is not what they want.

      They (we) need a viable opposition to your aptly named Cabal (I wonder if you could name the originals, Clifford, Arlington, Buckingham, Ashley, and Lauderdale) and make a real presence across the country.

      Do that and the money to finance, it will be rolling in hand over fist.

      We, the alternative, are starved of a party to vote for.

      1. 340169+ up ticks,
        Evening NtN,
        That is for the peoples to decide, many have had no problem deciding over the last three plus decades thinking they were riding high with the toxic trio, close shop until it dawned on many the political serpent they had for ALL those years been supporting was now biting them on the arse.

        We backing Batten gave it a good shot only to be taken out by the UKIP nec plus ALL party treachery & lets not forget the nige input.

        The cabal =an intriguing subject.

        1. As usual, Ogga, you never provide an answer.

          For all your bluster, do you have any influence with Ann Marie Waters?

          Could you persuade her to join with Laurence Fox?

          Think about it and provide us with an answer.

          1. 340206+up ticks,
            NtN,
            You do tend to totally ignore anything that
            is put to you.
            There are many of the electorate firmly gripping their tory (ino) party card whilst looking for an out, I will repeat once more it
            is down to the peoples to make their own choice individually.
            I have told you MY choice, Anne Marie Waters.

            You find my post to be bluster that is your prerogative,may I ask “who are us” in the nicest possible way are you a card carrying lab/lib/con coalition member on the run, I am not to know, but what I do know is that treachery is plowing a deep furrow in the political field currently.

    3. Haven’t been here for a while, but I have to say that I have not seen any shortages where I live in WV. And plenty of local produce in the farmers’ markets.

      1. No shortages here Jill, there might not be a brand that you usually get but nothing seems to be missing from the shelves. I think any shortages are very localised or it is the media trying to goad people into panic buying in order to manipulate a shortage.

  67. Since nobody else seems to have anything to say tonight, I shall wish you all, Goodnight, God bless, sleep well with sweet dreams (of an unfettered to-morrow).

  69. Midsomer Murders viewers warned over ‘offensive’ Morris Dancers: Sleuth drama becomes latest show on BritBox to carry alert due to characters in black face
    The ITV show has been given a warning due to a scene involving Morris dancers
    Early reports suggest blackface tradition was to imitate workers covered in soot
    Many troupes have ditched the black paint in favour of blue following backlash
    By JAMES BAYLEY

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10100753/Midsomer-Murders-viewers-warned-offensive-Morris-Dancers.html

    1. Dsmned silly all these trigger warnings and then you watch something and it’s full of nasty violence and sex.

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