Tuesday 19 October: Reliance on goods from polluting countries makes net zero a nonsense

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  2. Good morning all.
    Very wet in Derbyshire with 10½°C in the yard. Looks like rain is forecast through most of the day, so I don’t think I’ll be doing much outside.

  3. ‘Morning, Peeps.

    SIR – It is extraordinary that our goal is to achieve net-zero emissions by 2050. Most people don’t believe this is possible, and in any case while we continue to buy goods from heavily polluting countries we can’t claim to have achieved it.

    The difficulty of reducing global emissions is much more complicated and profound than the soundbite of net zero implies. As the Queen, in an unguarded moment, so aptly said of those not attending the Cop26 climate conference in Glasgow later this month, too many “talk but don’t do”.

    Peter Taylor
    Sidmouth, Devon

    SIR – Having experienced energy shortages as a child in the 1950s and worked in the British energy sector from 1969 to 2016 (with coal and gas but mainly nuclear), I have lived through many governments’ energy policies and ministers.

    At each election, my first port of call in party manifestos is energy policy. That is more important than anything else. If there is no energy, there is great risk to health, defence, education and supply chains. A political party in power when the lights go out will be destroyed at the following election.

    I gave evidence to a select committee on engineering, and that experience led me to conclude that our Parliament, with the possible exception of the House of Lords, is almost devoid of the engineering knowledge needed to realise the risks to our country and to choose solutions, now even more essential to combat global warming.

    I only wish that the Government would commission the professional institutions to work together, perhaps led by the Royal Academy of Engineering, to rescue us from this entirely foreseeable situation.

    Michael Grave
    Consett, Co Durham

    Strangely, none of the letters makes any reference to this government’s bullying ways, and its obvious liking for banning things in the name of climate change.  It seems also that virtue-signalling is paramount and to hell with the consequences. Our hard-fought freedoms are being destroyed by our own government. This collective insanity will cost us dear – and all this for a country putting out just 1% of the world’s total of CO2. What a scam!

    1. Not to mention that CO2 is an essential to life on the planet. Not to mention that CO2 has not been proven to cause global warming (if that is what is happening) as it may be the other way round.

    2. According to Angie Odema last night

      “ The government has announced that by 2025, all new homes will be banned from installing gas and oil boilers and will instead be heated by low-carbon alternatives.”

      Are these people utterly mad? That’s just a little over 3 years away! They are off their ruddy rockers. And what earth shattering BS are they going to come up with at the COP26 jamboree?

      BTW Morning all.

      2. Whatever they come up with it will a) cost us taxpayers the earth b) be hopelessly inefficient and c) be totally impractical for 99.99% of the population.

  5. More bribery by the Conservative government. £5000 to replace your gas boiler with a heat pump. Our PM is spending large amounts of taxpayers money to support his unwelcome net zero carbon policy. BBC Radio 4 news.

      1. Morning Bob3 – Oil boilers seem to be exempt from this drastic policy, why?
        Where are the heat pumps being built? If built in the UK, are the components being produced in the UK?
        Our PM should be thoroughly interrogated on the cost/ benefits of his policies on climate. I expect he would be floundering to answer the questions. He is taking a serious gamble with the people’s homes and their lifestyle.

        1. They don’t believe people have oil fired boilers. I suppose we are outnumbered by the ones with gas.

  7. ‘Morning again.

    SIR – Maja Dijkstra (Letters, October 18) perpetuates the commonly held belief that all heat pumps are air-source, but this is not the case.

    I have an excellent ground-source heat pump, which provides abundant hot water and keeps the house warm, with lower bills. It has done so for 13 years.

    Its disadvantages were its cost and the inconvenience of installation: it required two 160ft trenches to be dug in our fields.

    However, if all new houses had to have ground-source heat pumps, these two factors would be less significant since the expense would be incorporated into the cost of the home, and the work could be done by the builders.

    Air-source heat pumps are indeed noisy and don’t work very well when 
it is really cold. People buy them because they are cheaper and more convenient to install – but these appear to be their only advantages.

    Elizabeth Jones
    Chard, Somerset

    Three hundred and twenty feet of trench, just for one property?? No problem installing such a system in a densely packed housing estate then? Laughable! This letter just oozes smug satisfaction.

    1. Or if it is small property, as are 85% on new builds, it would be 40 eight foot trenches. Or maybe just drill down 320 feet.

    4. It is possible and more efficient but more expensive to drill downwards, rather than lay the pipes in shallow trenches.

  8. ‘Morning again.

    SIR – Maja Dijkstra (Letters, October 18) perpetuates the commonly held belief that all heat pumps are air-source, but this is not the case.

    I have an excellent ground-source heat pump, which provides abundant hot water and keeps the house warm, with lower bills. It has done so for 13 years.

    Its disadvantages were its cost and the inconvenience of installation: it required two 160ft trenches to be dug in our fields.

    However, if all new houses had to have ground-source heat pumps, these two factors would be less significant since the expense would be incorporated into the cost of the home, and the work could be done by the builders.

    Air-source heat pumps are indeed noisy and don’t work very well when 
it is really cold. People buy them because they are cheaper and more convenient to install – but these appear to be their only advantages.

    Elizabeth Jones
    Chard, Somerset

    Three hundred and twenty feet of trench, just for one property?? No problem installing such a system in a densely packed housing estate then? Laughable! This letter just oozes smug satisfaction.

  9. A BTL Comment:-

    Robert Spowart
    19 Oct 2021 7:19AM
    Yet more hot air being spouted about the need to combat Global Warming/Climate Change/The CLIMATE EMERGENCY!/THE CLIMATE CATASTROPHE!!!/{insert latest panic mongering phrase here).

    At my moderately advanced stage of life, I’m only hoping I’m granted sufficient years to witness the entire panic mongering heap of bullshonet collapse under a wave of reality as prediction after prediction fails to materialise.

    1. …and those who foisted this eco-BS on us will be long since gone, leaving a trail of wreckage in their wake that will hugely damage the prosperity of future generations. The Stone Age awaits…

    2. “as prediction after prediction fails to materialise”.

      That hasn’t stopped them so far.

  10. Why Men Are Seldom Depressed:

    Men Are Just Happier People – What would you expect from such simple creatures?
    Your last name stays put.
    The garage is all yours.
    Wedding plans take care of themselves.
    Chocolate is just another snack.
    You can never be pregnant.
    You can wear a white T-shirt to a water park.
    You can wear NO shirt to a water park.
    Car mechanics tell you the truth.
    The world is your urinal.
    You never have to drive to another petrol station toilet because this one is just too icky.
    You don’t have to stop and think of which way to turn a nut on a bolt.
    Same work, more pay.
    Wrinkles add character.
    Wedding dress – £5,000. Dinner Jacket rental – £100.
    People never stare at your chest when you’re talking to them.
    New shoes don’t cut, blister, or mangle your feet.
    One mood all the time.
    Phone conversations are over in 30 seconds flat.
    You know stuff about tanks.
    A five-day vacation requires only one suitcase.
    You can open all your own jars.
    You get extra credit for the slightest act of thoughtfulness.
    If someone forgets to invite you, he or she can still be your friend.
    Your underwear is £4.95 for a three-pack.
    Three pairs of shoes are more than enough.
    You almost never have strap problems in public.
    You are unable to see wrinkles in your clothes.
    Everything on your face stays its original colour.
    The same hairstyle lasts for years, maybe decades.
    You only have to shave your face and neck.
    You can play with toys all your life.
    One wallet and one pair of shoes — one colour for all seasons.
    You can wear shorts no matter how your legs look.
    You can ‘do’ your nails with a pocket knife.
    You have freedom of choice concerning growing a moustache.
    You can do Christmas shopping for 25 relatives on December 24 in 25 minutes.
    No wonder men are happier. Men Are Just Happier People

    NICKNAMES
    If Laura, Kate and Sarah go out for lunch, they will call each other Laura, Kate and Sarah.
    If Mike, Dave and John go out, they will affectionately refer to each other as Fat Boy, Bubba and Wildman.

    EATING OUT
    When the bill arrives, Mike, Dave and John will each throw in £20, even though it’s only for £42.50. None of them will have anything smaller and none will actually admit they want change back.
    When the girls get their bill, out come the pocket calculators.

    MONEY
    A man will pay £20 for a £10 item he needs.
    A woman will pay £10 for a £20 item that she doesn’t need but it’s on sale.

    BATHROOMS
    A man has six items in his bathroom: toothbrush and toothpaste, shaving cream, razor, a bar of soap, and a towel.
    The average number of items in the typical woman’s bathroom is 337. A man would not be able to identify more than 20 of these items.

    ARGUMENTS
    A woman has the last word in any argument.
    Anything a man says after that is the beginning of a new argument.

    FUTURE
    A woman worries about the future until she gets a husband.
    A man never worries about the future until he gets a wife.

    MARRIAGE
    A woman marries a man expecting he will change, but he doesn’t.
    A man marries a woman expecting that she won’t change, but she does.

    DRESSING UP
    A woman will dress up to go shopping, water the plants, empty the trash, answer the phone, read a book, and get the mail.
    A man might dress up for weddings and funerals.

    NATURAL
    Men wake up looking the same as when they went to bed.
    Women somehow deteriorate during the night.

    OFFSPRING
    Ah, children A woman knows all about her children. She knows about dentist appointments and romances, best friends, favourite foods, secret fears and hopes and dreams.
    A man is vaguely aware of some short people living in the house.

    THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
    A married man should forget his mistakes. There’s no use in two people remembering the same thing!

    2. Re Eating out; in Oz, the bill is divided into the number of people eating, regardless of what was chosen (and that included women who were paying as well).

  11. Morning all

    SIR – It is extraordinary that our goal is to achieve net-zero emissions by 2050. Most people don’t believe this is possible, and in any case while we continue to buy goods from heavily polluting countries we can’t claim to have achieved it.

    The difficulty of reducing global emissions is much more complicated and profound than the soundbite of net zero implies. As the Queen, in an unguarded moment, so aptly said of those not attending the Cop26 climate conference in Glasgow later this month, too many “talk but don’t do”.

    Peter Taylor

    Sidmouth, Devon

    SIR – Having experienced energy shortages as a child in the 1950s and worked in the British energy sector from 1969 to 2016 (with coal and gas but mainly nuclear), I have lived through many governments’ energy policies and ministers.

    At each election, my first port of call in party manifestos is energy policy. That is more important than anything else. If there is no energy, there is great risk to health, defence, education and supply chains. A political party in power when the lights go out will be destroyed at the following election.

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    I gave evidence to a select committee on engineering, and that experience led me to conclude that our Parliament, with the possible exception of the House of Lords, is almost devoid of the engineering knowledge needed to realise the risks to our country and to choose solutions, now even more essential to combat global warming.

    I only wish that the Government would commission the professional institutions to work together, perhaps led by the Royal Academy of Engineering, to rescue us from this entirely foreseeable situation.

    Michael Grave

    Consett, Co Durham

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    SIR – I have used three public charging points in the six months that I have owned an electric vehicle. Two of these, one at a supermarket and the other at a hotel, did not work. It does not matter how many charging points are installed if the infrastructure is not there to keep them operational.

    The third was at a motorway service station. A car was plugged in, with the owner presumably having a cup of coffee near by, and another car was waiting. It was an 11Kw unit, so it would have taken six hours to charge our car with a near-empty battery. Surely in 10 years’ time everyone stopping at a service station will want to put their car on charge while they have a break.

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    Having made a random check at three stations on the M4, I found that one has six points – none of which are suitable for our car – and the other two have only one suitable point each. The problem is exacerbated by the proliferation of different connections.

    We do indeed have a long way to go.

    Hugh Evans

    Pennington, Hampshire

    Online abuse of MPs

    SIR – One thing that has emerged from the murder of Sir David Amess is the amount of online vitriol to which many MPs – especially women – are exposed.

    It is beyond belief that all-powerful companies such as Facebook cannot or will not root out the culprits.

    John Taylor

    Purley, Surrey

    SIR – Anonymity is the oxygen that feeds online abuse.

    Until offenders can be individually identified, held accountable and punished, this insidious and harmful behaviour will never be curtailed.

    Paul Strong

    Claxby, Lincolnshire

    SIR – I am shocked and saddened by the death of Sir David Amess. However, I would take issue with Tim Stanley, who criticises the police for refusing to allow a priest to administer last rites.

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    When I was a senior investigating officer, I spent a number of years investigating serious crimes. Managing the scene is crucial, especially in the minutes after a murder.

    What appeared to be an innocent visit by a priest could have resulted in a loss of evidence. An experienced investigator cannot take that risk.

    Philip Spicksley

    Barton-upon-Humber, Lincolnshire

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    Hostility to business

    SIR – The problem of “missing workers” is exacerbated by the increasingly hostile environment faced by experienced business professionals operating through limited companies.

    First, many prospective clients still insist on a strict Monday to Friday, 9am to 5pm style of contract, which no longer suits an increasing number of professionals.

    Second, the tax on dividends, via corporation tax for limited companies, reduces the attractiveness of working. Recent changes to IR35 rules, under which a contractor is treated as a client’s employee, were the last straw. I wouldn’t consider a contract within IR35 without a significant increase in charge rates to the client.

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    Third, Making Tax Digital and monthly payroll submissions just add a bit more cost and difficultly to running a very small business.

    In short, it’s just not worth the aggravation.

    Nick Jackson

    Blandford Forum, Dorset

    Russia’s track record

    SIR – Sir Anthony Brenton (Letters, October 18), defending Russia’s conduct in the energy crisis, acknowledges that it does regularly “misbehave”.

    By this does he mean the murder of political opponents, the shooting down of the civilian flight MH17 with a Russian surface-to-air missile, the use of the deadly nerve agent Novichok in Salisbury, or Vladimir Putin’s war crimes in Syria?

    It would be nice to see a little more condemnation from Sir Anthony. Not a single extra molecule of Russian gas will flow through the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that could not be delivered via pipelines in Ukraine.

    Dr R D Ogilvy

    Nottingham

    Cash courtesy

    SIR – When I was a youngster, my bank manager father told me to place notes with the Queen on them facing up. Am I alone in continuing to do this? It appears cash-point fillers no longer do.

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    Mark Nowers

    Stutton, Suffolk

    Human rights reform

    SIR – Reform of the Human Rights Act is long overdue, particularly with regard to immigration and asylum issues.

    It could not have been foreseen that the Act would be eroded by decades of misinterpretation by the courts when it came to the removal of unlawful migrants and criminals. It has fostered an appeals system that allows innumerable bites of the cherry, and is misappropriated by those seeking to frustrate removal.

    Furthermore, the Act assumed that all claims to asylum would be made by those genuinely in need of refuge; this has regrettably detracted from the word’s true meaning.

    It will be an uphill task for Dominic Raab, the Justice Secretary, but one from which he should not flinch in order to fulfil Britain’s obligation to bona fide refugees.

    Elizabeth Edmunds

    Former immigration officer

    Hassocks, West Sussex

    Voiceless volunteers

    SIR – Charles Moore makes many excellent points, but one requires clarification. He says that the National Trust’s objection – to the members’ resolution that it engage with volunteers on the grounds that this could create employment law obligations – could, with goodwill, be got round. Specialist employment lawyers have told Restore Trust that this objection lacks any legal validity.

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    The National Trust seems reluctant to listen to the views of its committed and experienced volunteers.

    Jack Hayward

    Restore Trust

    Shrewsbury

    Climate shaming

    SIR – Why should the people of Ironbridge have to accept a badge of shame saying their home is “the birthplace of climate change”, as advocated by Nick Ralls, the chief executive of the Ironbridge Gorge Museum Trust?

    Surely ever since humans discovered how to make and control fire the climate has been subject to change and as such its origins are many thousands of miles from this Shropshire town.

    Charles Coulson

    Quarrington, Lincolnshire

    The film that exposed Britain’s fallible censors

    Iron paw: General Woundwort, the brutal ruler of the Efrafa warren in Watership Down

    Iron paw: General Woundwort, the brutal ruler of the Efrafa warren in Watership Down CREDIT: Alamy

    SIR – Robbie Collin claims that “Britain’s film censors have finally lost the plot” in giving an 18 certificate to The Last Duel and Last Night in Soho, but the British Board of Film Classification has always made odd decisions.

    Ever since it was first screened in the late 1970s, the film version of Watership Down has enjoyed a BBFC classification of U, despite being easily the most disturbing movie ever aimed at youngsters.

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    As the legendary poster of Bigwig being garotted in a snare indicates, the film is no cuddly Beatrix Potter story. A squashed hedgehog on a road, visions of a field of blood, terrified rabbits asphyxiated with poison gas, death in the shape of the Black Rabbit of Inlé: this is nature red in tooth and claw. The throat-tearing dictator of Efrafa, General Woundwort, is one of Britain’s greatest cinematic villains.

    No wonder children were said to be so quiet when they left the cinema after seeing the film.

    Mark Boyle

    Johnstone, Renfrewshire

    Why heat pumps won’t work in older houses

    SIR – I live in a new house with an air-source heat pump (Letters, October 18). There has been talk about subsidising the cost of retrofitting older houses with these devices, but there is a bigger obstacle to making homes greener.

    Heat pumps only work efficiently if the house in question has the highest standards of insulation. Many older houses have poor insulation, and it would therefore cost more to heat them with a heat pump.

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    More thinking is required on this matter.

    Colin McPhie

    Sandy, Bedfordshire

    SIR – Maja Dijkstra (Letters, October 18) perpetuates the commonly held belief that all heat pumps are air-source, but this is not the case.

    I have an excellent ground-source heat pump, which provides abundant hot water and keeps the house warm, with lower bills. It has done so for 13 years.

    Its disadvantages were its cost and the inconvenience of installation: it required two 160ft trenches to be dug in our fields.

    However, if all new houses had to have ground-source heat pumps, these two factors would be less significant since the expense would be incorporated into the cost of the home, and the work could be done by the builders.

    Air-source heat pumps are indeed noisy and don’t work very well when 
it is really cold. People buy them because they are cheaper and more convenient to install – but these appear to be their only advantages.

    Elizabeth Jones

    Chard, Somerset

    1. A BTL Response and my reply:-

      Michael Geddes
      19 Oct 2021 7:11AM
      MICHAEL GRAVE
      Thank you for your practical, common sense approach to energy policy. To say that our parliament

      ” ……..is almost devoid of the engineering knowledge needed to realise the risks to our country……..”

      will come as no surprise to some of us and your suggestion; “I only wish that the Government would commission the professional institutions to work together, perhaps led by the Royal Academy of Engineering, to rescue us from this entirely foreseeable situation,” is eminently sensible and stresses that the issue is indeed FORESEEABLE. I note too that your aim would be to include a variety of institutions, all having an input into the process, something that to me would be an integral component of any large scale undertaking. Why then, isn’t it happening?

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      Robert Spowart
      19 Oct 2021 7:35AM
      @Michael Geddes As well as engineers well versed in the disciplines of energy supply, we could also do with listening to the many climatologists who have doubts about the effect of CO2 on the climate.

    2. And a BTL Response to Dr. Ogilvy:-

      Mark Smith
      19 Oct 2021 4:46AM
      Dr R D Ogilvy
      What war crimes in Syria has Russia allegedly committed other than help defend a country from diabolical psychopaths who’ve been assisted in many ways by ‘the west’ ie the US and Britain?

      What makes you certain that Russia shot the aircraft down over Ukraine?

      As for supplying gas to Europe, Russia is meeting its contractual supplies to Europe, they have nine with us, and they might have been able to increase them if, again, Britain and the US hadn’t made such an effort to prevent Nordstream. We’re lucky that they aren’t just selling direct to China for whatever they can get. I think your just biased against the Russians. Russo-phobia.

    4. Ms Jones writes an excellent letter.

      As the Government appears to be so keen to make going green compulsory, I eagerly look forward to all householders with a 160 ft garden or

      larger being forced to install an heat pump.

      Then everyone will be happy.

      1. I thought our climate was becoming warmer , October so far has been warm and muggy.

        Home insulation seems to be at odds to the government advice of keeping homes well aired and a few windows open to combat Covid .

        I like a well aired home , and always have a few windows open , bedroom , living room , kitchen bath room etc etc , unless of course there is a howling gale or the temperature drops below our comfort zone .

        1. I’m not keen on having the windows open in Winter. I do however have Vax air purification and a dehumidifier.

          I take no notice of Government advice.

          Good morning, Belle.

        2. 10½° his morning and, coming out of Morrison’s in Belper after doing a shop, it felt even warmer.

  13. Various topics…

    RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: The killing of David Amess is a human tragedy… we have lost the best of Essex

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10105187/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-killing-David-Amess-human-tragedy-lost-best-Essex.html

    DAN WOOTTON: Almost everything our politicians have said since the wicked murder of David Amess is utterly irrelevant and deliberate misdirection to stop us reflecting on where the real threat to our democracy lies

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10104509/DAN-WOOTTON-politicians-said-David-Amess-murder-misdirection.html

      1. Too darned right, Bob3. They are all petrified…which the muzzies rightly regard as a major victory.

    2. As with the ‘Troubles, in Northern Ireland, it is very difficult for us. the UK, to counter Islamic Terrorism, more so now because the “World is Woke”

      We cannot even stop and search those most likely to be participating in Knife Crimes, as it appears BAMEs are the most likely suspects, by profile

      The same will apply to investigating ‘home grown’ and daily arriving Muslim terrorists

      The people who will stop lawful investigations taking place are the MSN, and who love to pounce on perceived bias, do want us prosecute
      Tommy Robinson who seeemingly Right Wing, for Jay Walking across the road, at a Pelican Crossing, when the lights are Green for pedestrians

      Before long, a white baby boy will be Christened Mohammed Ali Smith

      We will have lost our country

      On a bright note, in about 100 years time, a new religion will have been founded Its’ adherents will cross the Channel, in RIBs and slowly
      under the beneficial eye, of Sharia Law, be allowed to settle in The Caliphate of UK, and usurp the ruling Government, just like now….

      or they could be killed

  14. 340246+ up ticks,

    Morning Each,
    This odious issue was in small print in the daily Dt yesterday so I make no excuses for repeating it today as I do believe it needs highlighting.

    The take down of the United Kingdom is ongoing I take this issue as the common denominator in viewing my country today, judge & weep.

    Dennis Hutchings dies: Troubles veteran on trial over 1974 shooting loses Covid battle
    The 80-year-old, who was already seriously ill, tested positive on Sunday for the virus, forcing a judge to suspend criminal proceedings

    1. Good morning, Ogga.
      As a matter of interest,
      have you any idea how many
      people yesterday, attended
      the UKIP Conference?

      1. 340246+ up ticks,
        Morning G,
        Now an ex member having been one of many years, and having suffered fallout from the treacherous actions of the ukip party NEC / farage input, in the nicest possible way i would like to see the numbers reading zero.

        If of interest my allegiance now is freely given to Anne Marie Waters.

        1. I have seen only one video,
          there appear to be fewer people
          there than the number who
          regularly attended our Branch
          monthly Meet-ups!

          1. 340246+ up ticks,
            G,
            The meeting I most remember was when we attended the EGM in Birmingham on the
            27/2/2018 when we asked bolten to leave and elected the genuine leader of UKIP,
            Gerard Batten in.
            Despite the input from the nEc & farage in taking Batten and all decent members down he still stands out as the most decent & successful of leaders.

          2. I agree with you about Mr, Batten but felt
            uneasy about the votes, given democratically
            to Henry Bolton, should be so easily
            overturned ….. so perhaps the shenanigans
            in the last two years should not really
            surprise me!

          3. 340246+ up ticks,
            G,
            The bolton chap IMO was morally corrupt
            also a nige conduit mouthpiece, nige still wanting party input.

            The year Batten leadership run of success
            on the way to building a very credible party
            could NOT be allowed to continue, triggering the £25 a pop, non member of the brexit group under the leadership of “nige,” he marched them up to the top of the hill then he ……pro fat turk, tory ( ino)
            through & through.

      2. I didn’t go (I’ve attended the previous ones) for lots of reasons; too expensive, too far, too difficult to leave Oscar.

    2. 340246+ up ticks,

      O2O,

      If that is a fact “he was tested positive on Sunday” in the name of covid then those involved in this ongoing
      state persecution, in any decent country, would be seen to be starting a very long term prison sentence today.

  15. Another couple of excellent BTL Comments:-

    Olivia Wilde
    19 Oct 2021 7:33AM
    The UK has had It’s manufacturing Industries decimated in the last few decades, a deliberate move by successive governments In order to facilitate cheap Imports and subsequently reduce our carbon footprint.

    Most Importantly, the overall depletion of British manufactured goods has enabled our current government to claim less than 1% carbon emissions by us having to completely rely on cheap Imported goods from China and elsewhere, thereby enabling HMG to claim the moral high ground.

    All this has done, Is transferred what would have been our manufacturing emissions onto other countries such as China, India and Taiwan so we can grandstand to all and sundry on the world stage at how oh so virtuous we now are, when all we have done to achieve this feat Is to transfer our emissions onto the upcoming future manufacturing power houses.

    A completely pyrrhic victory, not just here, but In the whole of the Western world, thereby rendering COP26, a complete and utter farce.

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    Echo Fish
    19 Oct 2021 7:44AM
    As ever Olivia, you’re on the mark.

    I was planning a work trip with a colleague and was rather horrified looking on Google Earth (satellite view) at the steel works at Llanwern (East of Newport), near enough all gone.

    Then I looked at Chepstow, again all the yard frontage going to become housing.

    And it goes on.

    Last year the last shipyard in Shanghai was moved out, to a new complex, complete with drydocks, heavy lift cranes etc, paided for by the Chinese Government.

    Meanwhile most of the tonnage for our cross channel ferries will be built in China.

    At least our Government, as you say, can tell the world how good we are on our path to net zero.

    1. This has all been going at full throttle since the Kyoto protocol was ratified in December 1997. In more recent years the UN has been more open about their objectives having nothing to do with climate change but everything to do with the de-industrialisation and neutering of the West and the take over by the developing nations (or more accurately, UN technocrats acting ‘on behalf of’ developing nations [It’s just like the EU in that respect]). The US job losses arising from Kyoto were definitely a factor in Trump getting into the White House.

  16. Dennis Hutchings dies: Troubles veteran on trial over 1974 shooting loses Covid battle

    The 80-year-old, who was already seriously ill, tested positive on Sunday for the virus, forcing a judge to suspend criminal proceedings

    The Terrorists win, again.

    Make him go on trial I northerm Ireland , catch Covidand die, away from his family and teh Medical care that he was used to.

    Totaly disgusting state of affairs. The whole ‘retribution system must be stopped,

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/18/dennis-hutchings-dies-troubles-veteran-trial-1974-shooting-loses/

    1. Stirring stuff

      Archbishop Viganò warns of coming ecological dictatorship

      ‘These courtesans of power, whom no one has elected and who owe their appointment to the globalist elite that uses them as cynical executors of their orders, have since 2017 declared in no uncertain terms the society that they want to achieve.’

    2. Good morning, HP.
      Dr. Michael Nazir-Ali has explained
      his reasons for leaving The Church
      of England, in a letter to the Mail.
      ‘See the Christian News web-site.[

  18. A thought provoking post from Going Postal:-

    lizzydripping • an hour ago
    What causes a person to convert to islam? To narrow it down, what causes a man to convert to islam? I can only go by what I read. The only women I’ve heard of converting to islam are ones who take up with and marry an islamic man and are pretty quiet about it, submission being a requirement of the liaison….although that Yvonne Ridley might be an exception, being more publicly vocal and critical of non-moslems.

    I can only speak about former Christians, agnostics and atheists. I know nothing of Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, voodoo worshipers etc. I can only think of two reasons a man would convert to islam, to marry an islamic woman or to be involved in some organisation that is, in the main, dominated by islamics and by converting they acquire the respect they crave. How many were Christians? What was it that made them think islam was better than Christianity? Why would a convert to islam go out and massacre a large number of non-moslems? Is it through hatred of them or is it to gain the respect they crave of other moslems? Too many whys and wherefores to make sense of it.

    1. I didn’t want to mention it before, but all the goats have disappeared from Uncle Bill’s neighbourhood.

    2. Good morning BoB. As I understand it, many of the inadequate ‘men’ who convert to Islam are converted in prison, and often do so for their own protection as many prisons are ‘run’ by these extremists. No excuse, of course, but maybe it is time followers of the cult of peace need to be segregated.

    3. Converts (to any faith) are always more fanatical. Islam gives men power over women – some like that.

  19. There is something very, very, seriously wrong with this, both the article and the “analysis”. I just can’t quite put my finger on it. Is it that we are relying on foreigners to invest in our recovery, and own the fruits? Is it that the analysis that says that we are over-dependent on fossil fuels, without mentioning that it is foreign energy supplies on which we are over-dependent?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58959061

    1. It was bin day this morning and the lorry woke me up.

      I expect the people of Brighton are still asleep.

      Good morning, Anne. :@)

        2. Sometimes ours are late. I did ask once what the problem was and was told they sometimes do the round in reverse so others get a lay in. Dunno if that was true. Never heard a bus driver say that. :@)

        1. Blue Bin, the recycling bin, and Green Bin, garden waste, were both picked up by 09:00 this week.

    1. Who allowed mass, unregulated immigration and did not try to stop it even after the dangers were clear to see?

      1. 340246+ up ticks,
        Morning R,
        The lab party instigated it and the torys (ino) made improvements on the intake numbers and continued as seen at DOVER any day of the week.
        The mass uncontrolled immigration cartel
        still have support in the close shop winner takes number ten, via the polling booth
        sod the odious consequences in the real world.

        By the by,
        Real UKIP had always called for “controlled immigration”

  23. 340246+up ticks,

    Will there be a register containing the addresses of the 90000 so as the remainder of the herd can turn up for a warm & a bath, also if so, will it be passport free.

    Don’t bite into that lovely succulent carrot Snowwhite.

    New voucher scheme to replace gas boilers limited to just 90,000 households
    Government to announce £5,000 grant scheme for homes. Plus, Lord Howard of Lympne on why Britain must take lead in climate change fight

    1. I can remember my parents saying that when they were young that they didn’t have hot water on tap so they mostly went down to the public bath houses in town centres.
      I wonder if we will be returning to that in the future?

      1. 340246+ up ticks,
        Morning B3,
        Situated just behind the horse trough at Luton Arches Chatham.
        When we did posses a bath the kids got in as the dad got out, gas was at the time easily obtainable via lino cut outs /machine washers.

      1. Johnson has already enlisted Kermit’s cousin into his government. Squalid Jawdrip’s green dye is wearing off a bit but it can always be retouched.

        1. And we know who can do the retouching! She has another reserve ready when she tires of her husband’s unkempt hair and yearns for something smoother. [That arm around Mrs Johnson and the hand on her shoulder in the top photo is reminiscent of Prince Andrew’s arm and hand in the well publicised photo of him with his accuser.]

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f6748709bd337e537035635f987dbb40afe734d0bc08b162c6a146329ec83b5c.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/62d72e9aa3b98253e1abb585cd7fdbcc2ac29d830d56cd8c24bd480ebbc4e6c6.jpg

    2. The man who is interviewing the woman is Brian Stelter, one of the leading perpetrators of what she is talking about. A thoroughly grubby individual that always reminds me of that glorified slug in Star Wars, Jabba the Hut. Only Jabba is a fiction and the Stelter is all to real. This man is so warped he thinks that Tucker Carlson is an extreme Right Wing Fascist! Stelter is in good company with a another talking head called Don Lemon, a creepy degenerate homosexual who assaults straight men in public and gets away with it because he is one of the protected classes, black, gay and of the left. CNN is a cess pit that needs to be drained and the hole it leaves filled in with disinfected soil!

  25. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/60464ef0ec5b009b06174278e44a743297fdc6a79e806f3c67b06a7b3b060e71.png No one is more appalled at the horrific murder of Sir David Amess than I am. His murderer — a scheming long-term planner of this atrocity — should not have been permitted to enter the country in the first place, yet it is the police who are receiving the most opprobrium, not the government of which the unfortunate deceased was a member.

    Having said that, I have seen countless occasions when murderers (and many other criminals) have been exonerated or received vasty reduced sentences, all due to the police not acquiring sufficient evidence to mount a successful prosecution. Defence barristers, and judges, are eager to seize upon such police lapses in procedure in order to secure acquittals.

    I just wonder how many British people, like Tim Stanley and many others, would feel if they had someone near-and-dear to them murdered in such appalling circumstances yet the police were unable to bring a successful prosecution due to being unable to secure the crime scene, thus ensuring a consequent loss of vital evidence?

    It s a salient fact of life, well known to all investigating police officers, that most forensic (and other tangible) evidence that leads to further convictions for other yet-undetected crimes, is discovered at crime scenes.

    At no stage have I shown any lack of consideration or feeling for the loved ones of Sir David Amess. If my professional pragmatism seems to display that, then that is simply something in the perception of laymen.

      1. Good morning, Datz. On a totally unrelated topic, I note that your avatar is a picture of Captain Pugwash, created by the late John Ryan. I am today in Southport and am about to go to the Atkinson Galleries, where an exhibition of the work of John Ryan is currently showing. This will include work of Captain Pugwash (who started out life in the 1950s boy’s comic EAGLE), Harris Tweed (also featured in EAGLE) and Lettice Leaf (featured in EAGLE’s sister paper GIRL). You may also recall many other of Ryan’s creations including Sir Prancelot an TV’s Mungo, Midge and Mary. Enjoy your day, NoTTLers, as I shall enjoy mine.

        1. I was a Beano / Dandy boy and I think my daughters would be more aware of Mungo, Midge and Mary as we only had steam radio in my early years. Enjoy the visit and I will do the dam*est to enjoy my day 😁

      2. There are plenty of failings in this case with the publicity and internet comments on the case. His solicitors and barristers must be rubbing their hands. Ali Ali could walk away free on legal technicalities

    2. Applying that logic, one would not allow a paramedic or a doctor to attend the victim.

      Total bollocks.

    3. Were there no eye witnesses to this murder, whose testimony could offer plenty enough evidence to convict?

    4. Where do you draw the line on who is allowed into the crime scene? Paramedics were allowed in. Would Sir David’s wife have been permitted to enter if she had been present?

      1. No, of course not. Parents were forcibly restrained from entering the school at Dunblane. The police kept them back for hours without them knowing whether their child was dead or alive.

    5. This is being looked at from a typical atheistic/agnostic viewpoint. There is almost no understanding of the Christian viewpoint. That lack of understanding may be easily seen when watching a programme on religious art of say, the 15th or 16th century, The presenter, an art expert who supposedly knows all about art, yet does not understand the mindset of those who lived in those times and who created that art.. Religious belief was not a coat one put on and took off, as the presenters appear to think. It was something one lived and breathed. As it is now for Christians.
      Had Sir David, dying as he was, been asked if he would choose between receiving the Last Rites and the conviction of his murderer, he would have said “Last Rites”. In his position, I would too. To a Catholic the question barely makes sense as the answer is so clear and obvious.

      1. There is no absolute need to receive the Last Rites, but I am sure that Sir David would have chosen to receive them had he been conscious and aware that he was dying. The ceremony would have given him comfort, and the knowledge that the Last Rites had been administered would have also given comfort to his family.

        1. Well, that is not really the case. It’s not about comfort, it’s about being saved. We are all sinners and the Last Rites are our last chance to reach out for salvation. To prevent it is much, much worse than murder.

          1. The comfort that I alluded to would have been Sir David’s knowledge that he would be fully prepared to meet his maker after receiving the Last Rites. His family would have derived comfort from the knowledge that he had received the Last Rites, and was therefore in a state of grace.

        2. He had an absolute need to receive the Last Rites just as I have an absolute need for air to breathe and food and drink to sustain me.

      2. Anyone who has tried to teach Chaucer, Milton or Shakespeare (or indeed Art and Musical Appreciation) to Sixth Formers will understand that today’s pupils who have learnt RE (so-called Religious Education) rather than Scripture have virtually no idea of what it was that inspired the great writers, painters and composers in Western culture and what were many central themes of their work.

        For example when I was teaching Milton’s Samson Agonistes or Paradise Lost I used to have to read , explain and discuss certain bits of The Bible to my class or my pupils would have had no idea at all of what the works they were required to study were about.

        My wife is a sincere Roman Catholic but her father was an equally sincere atheist and we often had long discussions which never led to any firm conclusions. We ravelled away never finding self-satisfying solution (to borrow from Milton) but my father-in-law was a firm believer that we should study the Bible thoroughly whether or not we believed in God because, without doing so, much of the greatest works of art, music and literature in our culture would be closed to us.

      3. ‘Had Sir David, dying as he was, been asked if he would choose between receiving the Last Rites and the conviction of his murderer, he would have said “Last Rites”.’
        From an “atheistic” point of view, wouldn’t that make it a selfish act, he being willing to let a murderer free to kill again?

        1. No. Because, really, the murderer was not going to get away. I am of course trying to stress how importance the Sacrament to Catholics. In reality the crime scene could hardly have been more messed up. The police were just doing their usual bossing about, waving their big guns around after the event. (Ot maybe before. The timings look off.)

    6. This is being looked at from a typical atheistic/agnostic viewpoint. There is almost no understanding of the Christian viewpoint. That lack of understanding may be easily seen when watching a programme on religious art of say, the 15th or 16th century, The presenter, an art expert who supposedly knows all about art, yet does not understand the mindset of those who lived in those times and who created that art.. Religious belief was not a coat one put on and took off, as the presenters appear to think. It was something one lived and breathed. As it is now for Christians.
      Had Sir David, dying as he was, been asked if he would choose between receiving the Last Rites and the conviction of his murderer, he would have said “Last Rites”. In his position, I would too. To a Catholic the question barely makes sense as the answer is so clear and obvious.

    7. Good morning, Grizzly

      I still disagree with you – and this is the whole point of this forum: we can have different views without abusing each other or trying to claim that anyone with whom one disagrees must be stupid or insensitive.

    8. OK Grizzly. I can go along with what you are saying but then I have to ask what is the rational for letting in the medics. Don’t they contaminate the crime scene? And how, if Sir David was a devout Catholic was it judged that the priest was lesser to a medic? Because, from the Christian point of view the priest most certainly takes primacy over the medics. Further more with todays screwed values, would the police have allowed an Imam if the victim were a Muslim because they would have had to deal with the violent consequences if they had not. And, as we know. Neither the modern police or the politicians have the guts to tackle anything Islamic but run with their tails between their legs while these people take over the country with their clearly degenerate values, as this incident displays. Is it then a double standard of that for them and this for us, in which the values of only one side are to be respected out of fear? And, quite honestly, how much evidence do you need when there were numerous witnesses to the killing?

    9. If the devil himself was witnessed stabbing Sir David Amiss to death, surely the facts are there , he was murdered in front of witnesses , no argument .. so why the palavar of guarding a crime scene?

      1. Once again because he was of colour I suspect the investigation will be taking a more gentle path.

    10. I must have missed something here, who actually decided that Sir David could not be saved ? There must have been several people inside the hall and witnessed the terrible act of this horrible murder.
      Not to let him Grizz would have been hate crime and a racist act.
      Further more the way things appear to be developing it seems the culprit might well heading for some sort of of ‘diplomatic immunity’, it would not surprise me.
      Over the past couple of decades I think the public trust in all authority has been stretched beyond the limit.

      1. The murderer has not yet been charged with anything. It will be interesting if we reach Friday without any charges, Ali will have to be charged or released. Maybe he will be sectioned. That will save some embarrassment and avoid further investigation and a trial. However there are some risks attached to sectioning someone because they are muslim. (We have 6m in the country.)

        1. ‘Afternoon, Horace, “We have 6m in the country.”

          I wonder why that number resonates with me – reminders of the results of 1933 Germany perhaps.

          1. It never occurred to me, but who knows how endless repetition ingrains information?

        2. There have been many occasions there our useless government’s past and present has avoided ‘teaching them a lesson’ they would be whole sale riots but it’s not excuse for being backed into the corner the islamics have set in their agenda.

    11. ‘Morning Grizz. Generally I agree, but in this case the crime scene has already been entered by various people; first aiders, paramedics (who are said to have been there for up to an hour) and so on, so in this particular case it is hard to see what forensic evidence would have been compromised by a priest administering the last rites. I realise that common sense and compassion are both in short supply these days, but….

    12. Agreed. Your original post on this issue was spot on. I’m sure that Last Rites administered at a distance are just as valid as those close up.

  26. Morning all,
    In the race to con more teenagers into getting the Covid jab, Peterborough city council thought it would be a good idea to give free syringe shaped pens to teenagers. Apart from the questionable need for the teens to be jabbed, some locals have pointed out that they could be normalising drug taking too.
    What were they thinking?
    https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/politics/council/parents-angered-at-syringe-pens-distributed-by-peterborough-city-council-aimed-at-promoting-covid-vaccines-to-youngsters-3423490?IYA-reg=d46ffa55-9465-4035-a4e3-e577abb6e646
    Edit. The policy has now been stopped.

    1. 340246+ up ticks,

      Morning Mib,

      A youngster being dependent on drugs is manipulation material.

    2. One of the essential requirements for anyone wishing to enter local or even national government is to be incapable of logical thought and joined-up thinking.

  28. “Reliance on goods from polluting countries makes net zero a nonsense”

    I don’t think anyone has ever accused Boris Johnson of joined-up thinking.

    1. Of course it doesn’t make sense when we buy all our goods from China, the worst polluter in the world. “Victory net zero has been achieved, our civilization ruined and the British are freezing to death in droves. whilst the Chinese grow fat. And I’m living in Bermuda, you mugs!” Said Boris.

  29. A northern Ireland veteran aged 80 was on trial for murdering [ our military kill, they don’t murder their opponents] a suspect who was running away from an army roadblock during the Troubles.
    The veteran had kidney problems and needed dialysis several times a week. His case was heard three days a week to allow this. He died in hospital after Covid infection in the hospital.
    This unfortunate veteran should have never been on trial yet the Irish nationalists insist on more veteran suspects being brought to trial,
    Blair in effect pardoned the IRA offenders and cancelled all cases on other IRA suspects but not our veterans. What an error on Blair’s part. He threw our veterans to the wolves.

    2. And to top it off he probably wouldn’t have had to be in the hospital if it were not for the trial. Instead he ended up in the deadliest place for Covid in the UK, a hospital.

    3. No wonder the armed services are having difficullties with recruitment figures , and no wonder the drop out rate is also quite colossal .

      The Armed Services don’t mind that their men and women don’t matter .

  30. Still very wet here – but mild as muck.

    Apropos my comment a couple of weeks ago about contacting the CEO of my bank. One of my complaints was that -“because of Covid” – their excellent and very efficient internal “secure” e-mail system had been replaced by an automated “bot”. In my initial attempt to contact the bank – I was confronted by this wretched bot and struggled with it for half an hour before a human intervened.

    So I asked CEO when they were going t abandon the bot (which makes death come much sooner) and revert to the tried and tested system.

    Yesterday (2½ weeks later) I received a reply from a lackey. “I have noted your comments regarding difficulties you experienced using our Chat facility and would like to apologise for this.”

    That’s all! I replied suitably – asking for the minion to read my letter and answer my question….

    1. Mild here too Bill. Just turned the light on, it’s about to pour down. But nice not to wake up to a cold house.

      They need the bots at the bank because the Covid creature can crawl down the wires and infect any human being at the other end, don’t you know. And of course by eradicating people in transactions, the bank makes more glorious profit.

    2. Yo Bill

      You could send something along the lines

      The Standard of your Customer Services is on a par with that of Organisations that we no longer use

    3. Dear Mr Thomas,

      As a valued customer we are awarding you our one star service. This means that our fees double each time you send a complaint to our auto delete messaging non-service.

      Sincerely,

      Up Yours.

  31. Last comment on complaints.

    Thirteen weeks after my complaint to the boss of the Inland Revenue – a letter dealing with the matter arrived. They blamed the delay on it being “one of our busiest times…” – though the lady wot wrote did add that she doesn’t work on Fridays….

    It’s being so busy that makes you work a four day week, eh?

    1. Why do people do that to themselves? He looks like a concentration camp inmate.
      PS I note the inverted cross necklace. He clearly has ‘issues’.

    4. I was happy until I made contact with reality just after I awoke at 6:15 this morning.
      I’m hoping for a better reaction to my daily pile of medication than I had yesterday. I cut the biggest most powerful dose in half today.
      Safari so goody.

      2. I suspect that “important” people (© John Whittingdale MP) are given a harmless liquid.

  38. https://www.takimag.com/article/nationalism-to-confront-globalism-in-glasgow/

    Nations like China are discovering that meeting goals for cutting
    carbon emissions can stall economic growth to where the regime itself is
    at peril.
    Forced to choose between what is best for the country now and what is
    better for mankind in some indeterminate future, leaders are putting
    the needs of the nation today over the call of the world of tomorrow.

    Ours aren’t, they are quite happy to ruin us.

    Prediction: In the long run, nationalists fighting to meet near-term
    needs of their constituents and countries are likely to prevail over the
    globalists who profess to be serving all of mankind.

    I hope so, but fear that for the UK it will be too late.

  39. As I turned in last night I turned on R4 to be assailed by George the Poet. I think we know the chap, born here of Ugandan parents and bites the hand that has fed him. He has become one of Aunties favourites in pushing their black agenda. I thought that I would listen and try and understand his message despite the warnings about adult content and violence. The content was as you might find in darkest Africa over-spoken by George and his jibes against whitey. I have no problem with him expressing his pov but the material is just not what R4 listeners tune in for. Blacks in general will not be listening to R4 at 11pm either and after 5 mins, neither did I. I won’t bother to leave a link.

    1. You did it so we don’t have to bother! Never listen to the radio anyway, apart from R3 in the car.

      1. I don’t even listen to that anymore. Gushing, garrulous totty presenters and/or black people.

      2. I listen to Radio 4 News to find out what our adversaries, and I include our PM and his government, are plotting and planning for us. It is not a world of milk and honey.

    2. I hope you write in and complain Kaypea.
      I’m waiting for ‘black history’ to mention people like Edi Amin, Mugabe, the hundreds of thousands of murders rapes and pillages and many others of such notoriety from that much celebrated continent. Take a tour around JHB once one of the jewels in the crown of Africa a bustling metropolis. Now since independence another african sh*t hole with streets fill with filth and burnt out buildings. But never it seems worth a mention to be proud of in their black history.

      1. I put in the comment more or less as above, adjusted for political correctness. My main point was that R4 is just not the place for that sort of excrement, there are plenty of suitable stations but I suppose it would not advance the blackening agenda.

    3. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. BBC Radio 4 is the anal sphincter of socialist propaganda and world-wide wokery. The entire organisation needs closing down.

  41. 340246+ up ticks,

    Unusual for the fat turk, trueisms that is, the United Kingdom will resemble
    Qatar as in full of sand and multitudes of camels & camel jockeys all the electorate has to do is continue the same voting pattern.

    Dt,
    Live Politics latest news: Britain will be ‘Qatar of hydrogen’, Boris Johnson says as he lays out green agenda

    1. Shall I keep my gas boiler until Hydrogen is freely available, cheap,CO2 friendly in production and safe? I prefer to stick with Natural gas.

      1. 340246+ up ticks,
        Afternoon Cs,

        Tis my belief that the politico’s are going for the biggest penny as in self interest the welfare of the herd are secondary on every front.
        There is millions changing hands and swelling bank accounts via wind turbines, HS2, covid kit, global warming.

        We are sticking to our condensing boiler, two wood burners until someone via force of arms, says otherwise.

        These orders due to the voting pattern could come via lab/lib/con or most likely the islamic brotherhood.

  42. Ignoring all the various gases coming from the Las Palmas volcano, I wonder how much heat has been released and how much it might have warmed the planet/atmosphere.

    1. It is of no consequence, the powers that be cannot make any money out of it or enslave us because of it.

      1. That might depend on whether the amount is so small that it can’t be calibrated.
        If that is the case, they could use the fact to show how important it is that humans cut back, because if something like the volcano has negligible impact and human activity does, project green fear can be ramped up accordingly.
        The greeniacs will use any excuse.

        1. There is an article in todays daily mail claiming to report on a study that compared studies into climate change. Supposedly 97% of those studies conclude that humans are responsible for climate change.

          I won’t bother with the link, it looks typically DM hyperbole.

          3. My understanding of the ‘97% of scientists’ claim is based on a letter that Dr Margaret Cunningham (?) sent out to over 10,000 climate ‘scientists’ on the horrors of global warming.
            Of these only around 3000 bothered to reply.

            Another letter was then sent to 79 of the 3000, i.e. those who agreed with the contents of the original letters premise.
            Of these only 77 bothered to reply.

            77 is 97% of 79 and it this figure has been used to show overwhelming support for the global warming creed, where no such level of support exists.

          4. If he cites me and you cite him and I cite you in another paper, and each of the three are cited by three more and the cycle is rinsed and repeated many times, you get many people agreeing.
            But if my initial paper is wrong, often the only one withdrawn is my first one, leaving 97% in agreement, but sadly they are in agreement with something that was wrong in the first place.

          6. Second reply.
            It appears that it’s now over 99.9%.

            Looks like the 0.1% are the correct end of the bell curve…

    3. There is more useless hot air produced by politicians, pseudo scientists and propaganda organisations such as the BBC, Ch4 etc, than all the volcanos in the world put together. If I could put a cap on any of them it wouldn’t be the volcanoes.

    4. In the grand scheme of things I would imagine not much. Las Palmas is a mere pimple of a volcano compared with Eyjafjallajökullkartoffelsalatberg, Iceland. There managed to get that in, over to you!

          1. Strassenbahnhaltestelle. I remember having to memorise that one in O level German. (Tram stop). Seven syllables where two would do.

          6. I don’t have the double s character on my keyboard but anyway, my version is equally acceptable. Still, always rely on your smug self-congratulatory nit picking pedantry eh?

          7. Under the rules of die neue Rechtschreibung ‘ß’ has been replaced by ‘ss’ in many cases (e.g. daß has become dass) but not all (e.g. Straße has remained Straße), which makes Strasse unacceptable.

      3. Hmm, I was impressed, Johnathan and wondered if you could pronounce it, then I spotted the potato salad in it.

        You mean, Eyjafjallajökul ohne kartoffelsalat und eine wandelen berg.

          1. You keep forgetting my predilection for PlatDeutsch, Peddy.

            Even Haupt Deutsche sprechener like you understand what I’m saying.

          2. Platdeutsch und Hochdeutschsprecher. Ja, ja, having worked in many parts of Westdeutchland, I understand many & speak a few dialects.

    5. The La Palma volcano, sos; Las Palmas is the capital of Gran Canaria – my favourite pre-Christmas holiday spot.

    1. I looked, saw what the song was and couldn’t listen. Situation made doubly worse that on top of Rick Ashley’s inane song, Greta the Gremlin screeching at the audience. Horror on top of horror!

  44. I idly wondered why black people did not insist on black children being taught by black teachers. The answer is that class sizes would more than double to around 75 pupils.
    Nearly three-quarters of all school pupils in London are BAMEs. The majority of teachers are white.
    (Figures/sums subject to review. E&OE etc)

    https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/10117331/1/IOE_Report_BAME_Teachers.pdf
    https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/workforce-and-business/workforce-diversity/school-teacher-workforce/latest

    1. Please don’t give them ideas.
      Last year I met socially with two (further education) teachers of Nigerian origin. Both charming, but a slight accent barrier. On a lighter note, always invite a few bames to any barbecue during lockdown, that way no neighbour would dare to call the Police.
      Edit: even a heavy Scots accent becomes comprehensible after a few days of listening, but with all due respect, many Africans have english as a second language, not first.

      1. You should try a Donnybrook on a locked mental ward when the ward sister is barking out orders in broad Glaswegian.
        The easiest thing was to ignore her and trust your instincts.

  45. I showed the Sultana the advice that the retired husband gave to his wife, to make her life a bit easier.
    I added my own helpful suggestion,”If you find that carrying the bags back from the supermarket is too taxing for you, why don’t you make two trips?”
    The Sultana has gone out now. She said that she was going to go round the charity shops, and added something about golf clubs.

          1. I read the advice from the retired husband yesterday, and his wife’s response. Trust me, being whacked with the golf club would be preferable!

  48. How to upset the left: Our tory premier just popped up with the following comment about immigration

    “If you think you’re coming to collect the dole and sit around, not gonna happen. Go somewhere else. You want to work, come here. We have so much work, we can’t keep up with it right now“.

    Some wonderfully apoplectic opposition leaders, quite a pleasant change.

    2. The first part of the quotation was Boris talking to Australian and New Zealand visitors wanting temporary employment in the fields and orchards.

      The second part was addressed to the Go-wo-rabs arriving by courtesy of the British Coast Guard Service with promises of employment in the Civil Service and NHS – with free health care for life.

      Don’t believe everything you hear on the BBC.

      1. Huh?

        Not fhe BBC, it’s local.

        Maybe the premier borrowed the comment but it is certainly stirring it up.

      1. For some strange reason Carrie wanted to have two children by Johnson before getting any more children she decides to have fathered elsewhere. Ergo it would be a matter of indifference to her if he were castrated.

        And he has so little testicular strength already it wouldn’t make much difference to anybody else either.

  49. We are comng to a point where very, very many of the people, who trusted our establishment enough to accept what they were told and took the injectates, are now finding what the possible consequences of that may be for them personally. It is a moment when civic obedience will rightly give way white hot righteous anger.

    The disaster may be mitigated for many I would hope if early action is taken by use of supplements and vitamins for a long period – perhaps permanently. This note was one I put up on Blue Tara, and there will no doubt be other sensible regimes to consider.

    https://www.tarableu.com/if-youve-had-the-jabs/

    3. I thought IB had announced last week that they were suspending their ‘campaign’ until the 25th October.

      Either they’ve changed their mind or this is recycled news by the Mail.

  51. The experience in the US with South West Airlines, who hastily withdrew the vaccine mandate they had imposed when all the pilots walked out freezing the flights for 48 hours, show precisely the simple power of the people when they collectively defy these criminals.
    It is up to each of us to replicate that defiance at all levels of this outrage. If we do that the parasites will drop off the animal and wither.

  52. OED – Green Energy – noun

    The covert process whereby cheap and abundant resources found all over the world can be mined and used for the benefit of all mankind for heating, travel, manufacturing, industry and leisure are fazed out and replaced with inferior methods of creating energy that only work intermittently, do not keep people warm, makes travel very expensive and is no good for manufacture and industry, they are no benefit to mankind whatsoever, they produce just as much pollution overall, they kill just as much wildlife if not more than the natural resources did, but they can be more easily regulated, rationed controlled, but the big prize is for that the rich and powerful they can infinitely increase their wealth by transferring it all from the working and middle classes to themselves.
    Basically it is just a transfer of wealth program.

    1. OED – 0/10.
      If a dickchinnery can’t spell ‘phase’ rite – who can?
      Maybe the compiler was rather fazed.

    4. Surely not “one black one, one white one, and one with a bit of shite on, and one with a fairy light on, to show you the way.”

    5. Like a tunnel that you follow to a tunnel of its own
      Down a hollow to a cavern where the sun has never shone
      Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind!

    6. Lovely Greta Meter Maid
      Co2 can come between us
      When it gets dark I’d throw your heart away
      Standing by a Smart meter
      When I caught a glimpse of Greta
      Filling in bile in her little Green book
      In a cap she looked much older
      And the baggage across her shoulders
      Made her look a little like a militant man
      Lovely Greta meter maid
      May I inquire discreetly
      Why are you free to take the climate Pee?
      Greta!

  54. Nebraska Attorney General Doug Peterson issued a legal opinion saying that his office won’t seek disciplinary action against doctors who prescribe hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin as off-label medicines to treat or prevent COVID-19, as long as they are not engaging in any misconduct.

    The opinion (pdf), issued on Oct. 15, was in response to a request from Dannette Smith, CEO of the state’s Department of Health, which licenses and disciplines doctors. Smith asked whether it would be “deemed unlawful or otherwise subject to discipline” for doctors to prescribe ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, or other “off label use” medications to treat or prevent COVID-19.

    The Republican attorney general said in the opinion that his office finds “the available data does not justify filing disciplinary actions against physicians simply because they prescribe ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine to prevent or treat COVID-19.”

    Health care providers in general may be subject to discipline if they “neglect to obtain informed consent, deceive their patients, prescribe excessively high doses, fail to check for contraindications, or engage in other misconduct,” wrote Peterson.

  55. Good afternoon, NoTTLers!

    I wonder if any of you have encountered this problem:

    A couple of months ago I sent a friend a bar of chocolate, securely wrapped, with a Birthday card attached to it. She lives in Denmark, so I had to write out a customs declaration that that content was a bar of chocolate, value £3.50 (it was a large bar bought under special offer).

    My friend subsequently rang me saying that she had been in bed with flu when the gift and card arrived – she had been asked a load of guff about customs duty, and had simply gone back to bed.

    I have today received it back, with “PostNord CN15, RETOUR/ Refused”.

    I paid £3.50 for the chocolate, and £8.50 for the postage.

    What went wrong?

      1. I don’t think she was in a state to give any answers. They shouldn’t have been questioning in the first place as I had filled out the declaration.

        Well, I’ll pay the extra and get the item signed for and insured next time. The postage will cost about 3x the cost of the contents…

    4. Did you read my post on the chocolates that I sent to someone in Holland? Three weeks in Dutch Customs, apparently. I posted my correspondence with the Dutch Ambassador and our Trade Secretary on here a few days ago.

      1. Sorry, HP, no I didn’t see it.

        I’m in and out of here, and as NoTTL is a fluid (especially in the evening!), ongoing discussion of many things during the day(and evening), I can’t always keep up.

      2. It is easy to see the disadvantages of having made a deal with the EU.

        But quite apart from the disasters of sacrificing our fishing industry and allowing a foreign power to dictate things in a part of Britain (N Ireland) then if they mess about with trade then there are no advantages in it at all and the sooner we scrap the deal and go for WTO terms the better.

  60. Independent reporting that all cars must be Zero emissions capable by 2035 says the UK government. What exactly does that mean? It will not affect me but I think our PM is overstepping his powers. A lot of his dictatorial policies have not been debated in the HoC.

    1. And he will be gone by the time they have to be enacted, it will be someone else’s problem. He can virtue signal as much as he likes without accountability.

      1. Just like Bliar. His novel “introductions” 20 years ago are now here to stay. And he has buggered off.

  61. To remind us all what a clueless goofball Boris is

    ‘We want to be the Qatar of hydrogen – I think Qatar may already be the Qatar of hydrogen, but we want to be with you.’

    – Boris Johnson speaking at the Global Investment Summit ahead of the COP26 summit in Glasgow next month

    1. The man is a complete and utter imbecile. Cut his d*** off and he may start talking sense – but I doubt it.

    2. Is this his bunker moment?

      Probably not; today the nodding donkeys are due to vote on curtailing our freedom for another 6 months.

      1. No. It means building on the former Green Belt. A parcel of perfectly good agricultural land near us has now been turned into a “development” in the last week. This is the Merse, just about the best agricultural land in the UK.

        3. We have 500 acres of good arable Suffolk land going under three solar ‘farms’ if planning permissions are granted.

  63. 340246+ up ticks,

    breitbart,
    Paedophile policeman Farooq Ahmed has been dismissed from the Greater Manchester Police force following his conviction for multiple child sex offences.

    I believe compensation of an undisclosed sum has been paid.

      1. 340246+ up ticks,

        Afternoon FA,

        it was said that the children were in many cases
        at fault that must ring true otherwise who would continue to support mass uncontrolled immigration party’s after say, rotherham was revealed.

          2. A little better thanks Sue but I’m having another day off recoveries just to make sure I’m ok. Thanks for asking

      1. 340246+ up ticks,
        Afternoon N,
        Ahmed received a short two-year prison sentence for his crimes in January, buttressed by a so-called Sexual Harm Prevention Order which will prevent him from engaging in certain activities — at least in theory — for five years, and inclusion on the Sex Offenders Register — for just ten years.

        I believe the two year was given mainly for getting caught.

  66. 340246+ up ticks,

    breitbart,
    Any truth in they have requested patel to go over and advise,

    What the decent peoples of England must be wary of is germany still has sealion plans to work from.

    Germany Looks to Enact Border Controls with Poland Due to Migrant Surge

    2. I note that Best Beloved has recorded this potential travesty but then, she is also looking forward to her booster jab(s) and won’t be deterred.

    1. I just watched the new Dune. I thought it kept very close to the original by Frank. Some changes needed to be made regarding skin colour. ho hum..At least they didn’t make Duke Leto a Homo. I mean that. Imagine a Prince or a Duke to be a child molester……. Erm….

      I quite enjoyed the production values….and would like to know what you think of the film.

      1. Just downloaded it,will watch tomorrow and let you know,checked the first few mins,great pirate copy

    2. Cripes, that will give the trannies ideas. Mind you, if they are from Thailand they are likely to win.

    2. Repost from earlier:

      Lovely Greta Meter Maid
      Co2 can come between us
      When it gets dark I’d throw your heart away
      Standing by a Smart meter
      When I caught a glimpse of Greta
      Filling in bile in her little Green book
      In a cap she looked much older
      And the baggage across her shoulders
      Made her look a little like a militant man
      Lovely Greta meter maid
      May I inquire discreetly
      Why are you free to take the climate Pee?
      Greta!

  73. Here’s one for the covid loonies that you may have missed last week.

    Face masks should be worn OUTSIDE – especially when it’s windy – to curb the spread of Covid, scientists say

    Wind blowing in the same direction as a cough increases Covid transmission

    Indian scientists said people should wear masks outdoors in response to finding

    Face masks have not been a legal requirement in England since July

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10084131/Face-masks-worn-OUTSIDE-windy-curb-spread-Covid-scientists-say.html

    1. Scientists in BOMBAY? Well, whatever you call that place, it has a lot more noxious substances in the air than Covid.

    2. Had booster shot this morning, mostly free to move about the country unmasked, flu jab 2 weeks ago.

      1. Haven’t worn a mask here for months – not since I realised they were useless and decided I was no longer going to comply.

        I had a flu jab last year for the first time, but not going to have any more jabs this year.

        1. Never bothered to wear one. The reality is that in order to get a big enough dose of the virus you have to be within 6 feet of a person who already has the symptoms, for approximately 10 minutes. Who stands that close to someone in a shop etc for that long? If you did you would be arrested for stalking! Throughout this “pandemic” all I have done is keep my distance and wash my hands. I have ignored the nonsense of cleaning surfaces or wiping down packages etc. If it was really that dangerous most of the citizenry would have been poleaxed within weeks. Irrational fears are the greatest carrier of disease.

          1. 1/5th of 1% of a 75million population have died if the 150k death claims are correct – – and we know ANYTHING has been blamed as Covid.

        1. Good evening, poppiesmum! I’m in so briefly, then out and then in again that I lose track of it all. How are you keeping?

          1. We are fine, poppiesdad and I, but the elderly vaxxed around us are succumbing. In the space of six weeks, 3 cancers diagnosed, one now dead, the funeral last Friday; 1 Parkinsons, he has gone downhill very quickly, 2 sciatica, 1 diabetes, 1 very ill with IBS, 1 glandular fever, 1 shingles. Our elder son, sadly, with rapid hair loss. All these since being ‘vaccinated’. We are fine, non-vaxxed. Getting on, but fine.

          2. Oh dear – not good for the vaxed, I get the impression that the vax can be very much an unwelcome precipitator.

            Sorry about your son – did your own father suffer from hair loss? (Oddly enough, when I was a baby I had quite a thick head of hair. Apparently it suddenly all dropped off and was lying around in my cot. My hair then grew back a different colour.)

            I, also, am non-vaxed. MOH is double vaxed and has just been in bed for two weeks with a virus thet floored him.

            If qpeople haven’t learnt by now that the vax q

    3. To have to big it up to that level, tells me that a scam is being foisted on the public at large to the benefit of Big Pharma alone.

        2. I repeat – another Mum – that masks are as effective as your knickers are at stopping farts.

      1. We are now run by technocrats and billionaires with a paid for complicit media.

        Our duty is to be as obstreperous as we can.

    4. Regarding the twitter link to the Times.

      The Taliban’s recapture of Afghanistan after 20 years and the loss
      of 457 British military lives is regarded as one of the worst foreign
      policy failures of the past century.

      And what happens? He gets promoted to deputy PM.

    6. I was watching that on You Tube last night and it struck me, I remember walking through Downing Street as if it were any street in London. No security at all. I assume that there was a policeman at the door but I don’t even remember him if there was. Thanks to cultural enrichment we now have gates across the road and no liberty to walk through as we did. The gates are there to keep us out but they are also there to keep the corrupt in.

      2. The gates were installed following the IRA mortar attack on Downing Street when the cabinet was in session in the mid eighties.

        The force of the blast lifted part of the roof of Numbers 10 and 11, switched the structure through a couple of degrees and dropped the lot back permanently misaligned with its wall plates.

        The event scared the shit out of the politicians because they realised that they were highly vulnerable.

        The gates and screen were allegedly designed to requirements established by Nicholas Ridley who was the Minister at the DoE at that time.

        Ridley was tasked with the opening of Richmond House Whitehall, opposite Downing Street and the Cenotaph in 1987. As architects we had been commissioned to design security fencing adjacent to the gates of Norman Shaw buildings at the end of Derby Gate and running up to the facade of The Red Lion PH.

        The granite gate piers to Norman Shaw buildings were dismantled and rebuilt on deep foundations and with heavy stainless steel reinforcement on reassembly.

        I designed much of Richmond House and designed the security railings on Derby Gate. For the latter I commissioned an artist blacksmith to fashion the steel uprights (James Horrobin of Dunster) although the value of the works meant that production was carried out in the large workshop of Richard Quinnell.

        1. 7th Feb 1991. Supposedly there may have been a casualty, but the family ticked the No Publicity box.

          1. Quite correct about the mortar bomb attack. The security
            measures were in place at Richmond House by 1987 but memory plays tricks.

            The gates to Downing Street were mooted at that time but I cannot recall when they were installed.

            There were other measures such as the steel mesh coverings to the areas of the adjacent Whitehall buildings, Treasury and Foreign Office etc., Jim Prior remarked at the time that if the IRA wished to shoot him they could do so on Whitehall or Parliament Street as he walked to work.

          2. Here’s the biography of the bomb-disposal man involved in taht mortaring, Peter Gurney. A humour-filled book, could only have been written by an Englishman from the dry wit. A brave and resourceful man, I’d love to have met him.
            Some gems: Tying a mine-clearance rocket to an old man’s bicycle (as a kid); bomb disposal in Libya (putting the shit back in Benghazi), and more serious stuff during the IRA bombings in London.
            Braver men walk away, by Peter Gurney.
            https://www.amazon.com/Braver-Walk-Away-Peter-Gurney/dp/000637980X
            and a BBC article: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-17475286

        2. This reminds me of my last project – the Ocean Terminal at Pompey. Our estimators utterly failed to appreciate the significance of bollards to BS PAS 68. 176 of them, at forty quid each. The best price I could get for these was around £1.5 m. And this was apparently my fault.

    7. I wonder what Barry Sheerman’s view will be on this failure to allow parliamentary scrutiny…

  77. That’s me away for this very, very windy day. And gales forecast tomorrow. G & P loathe strong winds blowing – it makes them irritable. And they blame us…!

    Have a jolly evening planning your next protest.

    A demain.

    2. Cats don’t understand wind – to their mind it is an invisible force that comes to beat them, so they get scared and pernickity.

      Take them indoors, calm them down by stroking and cuddles.

    1. Matt has been turbo-charged since Boris came to power! Wonder what he dreams up about the PM and his family, that is too controversial to see the light of day!

  79. First snows of the winter overnight. We had about 3″ of slush (yukk), and naturally, everybody forgot over the last 6 months how to drive in snow… as did the railway.

    1. Zero here now.Expecting some overnight.
      But the buggers still haven’t put out the snowpoles!

  80. Just received this email.
    ‘Dear molamola,

    We’re really sorry to tell you that we cancelled your licence as we were unable to authorise your payment details.

    Unfortunately we’ve had to suspend your account as you currently have an overdue balance of £12.00

      1. I got a letter yesterday telling me of my Winter Fuel Payment which the qualifying week was Sept??? and if payment had not gone into my bank by January then I was to call the number with my NI Number ready ??? never had to do that before – – qual week in Sept??? STRANGE.

        1. It’s always a date in September – that’s normal. You should get it long before January.

        4. I received that today. I expect it’s “because of Covid”. The qualifying week is normally in September.

    6. So you contact them and they say ‘No problem, just give us your credit card number and we’ll clear the £12 and then we’re all good, right?’

      Do not do that, it’s a scam.

    7. Clearly a scam. No-one at TVL would ever be sorry.

      I had an email the other day, purporting to be from WhatsApp, with a link to a voicemail message. I use WhatsApp, despite its Zuckerberg origins. However, it’s tied to my mobile number. At no time has WhatsApp been party to my email address.

  81. Mother is on the move.
    Horsepickle called, and in the words of an almost incomprehensible Asian nurse, Mother will be moving to Barry tomorrow, and they want a phone conference to decide what to do next.
    At least she is still with us… and I’m guessing that the Social will want her to move to an home, not her home. Sigh…

    1. Are you going to be able to go there and inspect the home they choose?

      Not very satisfactory, is it?

      1. No. It’s a freaking nightmare, TBH. It’s also difficult to judge, as I haven’t seen her since Boxing day 2019, so can’t judge her capabilities. I suspect a home is the right place, though, since even in hospital she had a fall. Also, they seem to be able to ensure she feeds and drinks properly.
        Looking at a nice home in Penarth, I was intensely depressed to read their social calendar. Dear God, is that what’s left to look forward to? Yet, they are being kind, it’s just the inmates don’t have the ability to do anything else much. Talk about waiting for God… 🙁

        1. Not much I can say, it is one of the sacrifices one makes when moving countries. Although I had an older sister left in Uk, she was not able to look after mum so she went into a home. This was15 yrs ago,now I can look at my two adult kids plus 3 grandchildren and know the very hard decision was the correct one. Good luck to you Oberst and take care.

          1. Thanks! :-))
            Now she’s had a fall in hospital, I’m much more at ease with the thought of her moving to a home. Just hope it’s the right one for her – she’s a very private person, doesn’t like a crowd, and would like to get out a bit – apart from she can’t walk very far. Last few months I could speak to her on the phone, she didn’t recognise that she was in her own home, so maybe she won’t miss it… (he wrote, hopefully).

          2. There’s a very nice one in Llandudno (my MiL was there), but I think you need Masonic connections (it’s a Masonic home). Individual rooms, communal if you wish, good food, dogs allowed to visit with relatives …

          3. Mother won’t have anything to do with Masons. They bankrupted her Father, as they invited him to join, he refused, so they prevented his factory getting spares… it all went tuts-up.

          6. Mother won’t have anything to do with Masons. They bankrupted her Father, as they invited him to join, he refused, so they prevented his factory getting spares… it all went tuts-up.

          7. I completely agree; don’t massage the guilt, look at and after your younger generation.
            We have a similar situation with elderly relatives who may well outlive one or both of us, yet they expect us to sacrifice what’s left of our time.
            When one is in ones mid 90’s I think one has had a very good innings,.

        2. All I can say, is that although Elderly Chum’s mind hasn’t improved, regular feeding and supervision of her medication has improved her physically. After 18 months in a wheelchair, last time we saw her about a fortnight ago, she was using (successfully!) a wheeled zimmer frame.

    2. Oh dear. What is your plan?
      Organising these things are stressful enough without all the covid hysteria making travel so difficult.

      1. I think, unless shown otherwise, that a home is the best place for her. She’s not capable on her own, doesn’t eat & drink properly. And company might be beneficial (he says, desperately hoping that it’s true).
        Logistics – might be easier to get her in a home straight from hospital, but issues as to clothing, books and the like will be a problem. Plus the fees – around £ 1,000 a week. It’ll take a while to tidy & sell the house, so hope they’ll take a delayed fee.
        Sigh…

        2. Presumably you have the details of her finances beyond the house?
          As I’ve said before, I do recommend The Alzheimers Society.

          1. As best I can, yes, but her papers need searched to see where money might be stashed. Shares, savings, etc, all as yet unfound.

      2. I think, unless shown otherwise, that a home is the best place for her. She’s not capable on her own, doesn’t eat & drink properly. And company might be beneficial (he says, desperately hoping that it’s true).
        Logistics – might be easier to get her in a home straight from hospital, but issues as to clothing, books and the like will be a problem. Plus the fees – around £ 1,000 a week. It’ll take a while to tidy & sell the house, so hope they’ll take a delayed fee.
        Sigh…

    3. Right, here goes. Please don´t blame me if it´s different in Wales. You should be allowed to participate in the (zoom) conference, but it´s a foregone conclusion, whatever they may have planned.

      You can get independent off the record advice from some firm like Help the Aged, or there could be a local charity-micro-quango that is qualified & funded to explain matters to the family. Covid funding may still be available for first six weeks in residential care facility.

      1. Thanks for the advice, Tim.
        :-))
        I will be in the Zoom. Wednesday next week.
        Mother-in Law was in the business when she was working, and is still up to speed, so I can get advice there. I’ve also done my own research as best I can, so am reasonably happy I won’t be railroaded.
        We’ll see what happens. But I’m thinking that the home is the best solution (to the extent that I’ve already had a valuation of the house and discussed how to sell it…).
        Rule of Ps: Proper preparation prevents piss-poor performance.

      2. Thanks for the advice, Tim.
        :-))
        I will be in the Zoom. Wednesday next week.
        Mother-in Law was in the business when she was working, and is still up to speed, so I can get advice there. I’ve also done my own research as best I can, so am reasonably happy I won’t be railroaded.
        We’ll see what happens. But I’m thinking that the home is the best solution (to the extent that I’ve already had a valuation of the house and discussed how to sell it…).
        Rule of Ps: Proper preparation prevents piss-poor performance.

  83. Looks like Parliament has rubber stamped the extension to their pandemic emergency powers without a vote, that’s democracy suspended for another six months, what on earth is the opposition for? prepare for more lockdowns and a ratcheting up of authoritative powers and coercion and some serious protests.

    1. 340246+ up ticks,
      Evening B3.
      I thought for a moment you said opposition instead of
      coalition.

  84. 340 246+ up ticks,

    He is of course using the instruction manual lying between the dispatch boxes the one that allows lying to non believers.

    Moses of Climate Change Boris Says Climate Crisis Is Worse than Covid and We Have to Listen to the Science covid in reality is highly suss, HS 2
    is now short on track & traction, scams unwinding.mega push on global warming, GOOD scams are hard to come by.

  85. Article in the DT by Johnny Mercer:-

    ‘In the end, he died alone, without any family, struggling to breathe and miles from home. He was determined to face down his accusers, but the farce that is the judicial system in Northern Ireland got their man in the end.

    The trial killed him. The prosecution spent most of their time reading into the record “hearsay” historical evidence – there was no new evidence presented. It reminded me of the kangaroo courts we used to have in the barracks as young soldiers. Except this was no joke.

    While many are united in the condemnation of these trials, they have to be witnessed in person for their full abhorrent nature to be truly appreciated. An old man – barely able to hear, dying in front of us, alone save for his dogged legal team led by Philip Barden – totally abandoned by his political masters that sent him to prevent civil war in Northern Ireland so many decades ago.

    Things happened in Northern Ireland that should never have happened. People died who should never have died – the vast majority, of course, by republican and loyalist terrorists. But to think that these witch hunts are a way of correcting that is completely absurd.

    Justice? We all want justice. But no one is quite brave enough to frame what justice might actually look like to the families some 50 years later. The investigations were appallingly bad; evidence was often collected in a way that is not lawful today. We let down many victims and security force personnel who died in the conflict. But the real question is what to do with the world as we find it, not as we would wish it to be.

    My contempt for those who make a living off the back of the grievance industry in Northern Ireland knows no bounds.

    Politicians have for years promised to end this grotesque spectacle. They’ve promised a lot – I’ll give them that. They know it’s not fair, they know it helps no one. They do care; the British public loathes how we treat our veterans in this country, and for secretaries of state and special advisers guided only by the latest opinion poll without any original ideas of their own, this makes them care.

    But the harsh truth I’ve painfully realised of late is that they simply don’t care enough to actually do anything about it. Not once has the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland ever asked me what to do to sort this out; the Prime Minister can’t even be bothered to reply to my letters or make time to see me or others to discuss it.

    Some complain that I call them cowards for not standing up for people like Dennis. But that is exactly what they have displayed – a political cowardice that cowers in the face of a bullying narrative that we should be ashamed of our veterans in this country. I simply will not accept it.

    Rest easy, Dennis. I miss you, my friend. I’m proud of you.’

    1. Dennis didn’t matter – he was collateral damage. He should not have been persecuted and prosecuted for doing his duty but the politicians didn’t care.
      Apart from Johnny Mercer.

    2. I am disgusted by our mealy-mouthed politicians, whose idea of justice involves turning a blind eye to organised industrial-scale rape and abuse of young white girls, by foul Muslims.
      An 80 year old, chronically ill British man, is forced abroad to undergo a show trial, caused by Blairs appeasement, and dies alone in a foreign hospital where he contracted the disease that helped him on his way. RIP Dennis

    3. On another subject but similar .. and from a conversation with some one that the Armed services care not a jot for their own at what ever level ..

      The former head of the Royal Marines has died in a suspected suicide after … and “committed his life to serving in the Royal Marines”.
      Major General Matthew Holmes, former head of Royal Marines, found dead at home aged 54.. other factors were involved there as well ..

      Good men die of neglect , brotherly love does not exist .. people try to keep their slate clean .

      Johnny Mercer was one of the very few who bravely batted Dennis’s case .

      Right or wrong , taking the Queen’s shilling is a bitch of a game .. so many good men are discarded and left to fight their own battles , as is as it always has been ..

      Poor Dennis .

      2. Taking the Queen’s shilling was a matter of pride, Maggie, when I did it in 1960 but today, servicemen, past and present, are looked upon as shills serving a corrupt hierarchy of self-serving bar stewards who are not fit to lick any service-man’s boots.

        I look forward to their rising up and kicking arse, from the PM down, through the Police and Border Farces, in order to get some backbone into the way this country is run.

    4. RIP, Dennis and doesn’t this misrule in Northern Ireland make a strong case for the dissolution of Stormont – and the Welsh farce, together with the Krankie’s Wee Pretendy Parliament. None of which are remotely fit for purpose but continue to suck on the Westminster teat and hence upon us, the taxpayers.

      Well said Johnny Mercer, I can get you a job either as PM or at least as a Cabinet Minister.

  86. I was away from the media (and here!) over the weekend to avoid the constant stream of depressing news. It’s all very well clearing one’s head of it for a while but at some point you have to come back to reality – which means facing tripe like this. Has Africa never had droughts before?

    https://twitter.com/Quicktake/status/1450178844363722759

    Elsewhere, Labour is critical of Bonjo’s plans to cut off the gas because they don’t go far enough and Poxy Pixie of Brighton tells us that heat pumps are of no use if your property isn’t properly insulated. I don’t think she realised quite what she was saying…

    3. Have they ever considered using the £billions poured in to build reservoirs and irrigation to combat drought and starvation?

      Thought not. No sympathy, I’m afraid.

    1. With no post mortems and the definition being “within 28 days of a positive test” who knows what they died of. I expect they’d all been jabbed as well.

      1. They must have been part of the experiment.
        If they’re not letting people into hospital if they haven’t been jabbed they must all have been jabbed.

          1. Look at poor Mr Dennis Hutchings, who was forced to go to Northerd Ireland, to be prosecuted, went to hospital and Covid killed him

            ,

        2. Yo, Alf. Turned up at Haslemere hospital for a consultation this arvo. Lots of signs insisting on masks. Didn’t have one. Eventually, whilst standing at a deserted reception desk for ten minutes, a nurse turned up. “Where’s your mask?,” she shouted. “Don’t have one. Can I borrow one of yours?” “That’ll be ten pounds”, she said, presumably trying to be funny. “Okay – do you accept Bitcoin?” Whoosh…

      2. The deaths will be made up of those who would have died anyway through old age and co-morbidities, those jabbed and double jabbed whose innate immune systems will have been weakened as a result of the jabs thus making them highly susceptible to other common viruses and those who have been denied diagnosis and treatment for cancers and other severe illnesses.

        You might add those who have taken their own lives as a result of the inane lockdowns and resulting destruction of businesses and livelihoods.

        This government and its medico advisors have a lot to answer to.

        1. Vaccines don’t weaken the immune system, they boost it against one antigen and have neutral effect against other antigens. You do not become highly susceptible to other common viruses.

          2. A vaccine is a substance that elicits an immune system response to teach the immune system how to deal with that antigen.
            All of the current ‘vaccines’ do that so they are vaccines.
            One is a denatured virus carrying parts of the covid-19 antigen notably the spike protein. The other two use our own cells to produce the spike protein antigen by providing a genetic blueprint.
            The effect is the same. The body learns to recognise the covid-19 spike protein and learns how to deal with it so that when we encounter the real thing we stand a good chance of fighting it off.
            My personal problem with the vaccines is the way they were rushed out virtually untested. We simply don’t do that with other medicines and vaccines. I have no problem with the technology used. I resisted the jab for as long as possible because I didn’t want to be a lab rat.

          3. Sorry, but you’re a lab rat. As am I, having had both AZ jabs. But I won’t be having the Pfizer (mRNA) booster. I’ve suffered enough damage.

          4. They gave me one of each. The first jab was AZ. When i went for the second they gave me pfizer.

          6. If you took the jab you are a lab rat. I feel sympathy and sorry for you. A little knowledge about a subject is often worse than no knowledge at all.

          8. Yup. I recognise your dilemma. I cannot help you. My own business has been wrecked by the idiotic prescriptions of central government and their useless medical advisors, all of whom stand to profit greatly from government diktats.

            Understand that these bastards care nothing whatever for you and me. They are in the thrall of multimillionaire globalist tramps such as Bill Gates and George Soros, from whom they will receive fabulous monetary rewards having carried out their instructions.

          9. As I stated the jabs are not vaccines. There are many more complications associated with the jabs apart from the supposed construction of immune responses arising from the jabs.

            If the jabs target a specific protein spike they miss successive protein spikes as the virus regenerates.

            This is basic stuff.

          11. “As I stated the jabs are not vaccines. There are many more complications associated with the jabs apart from the supposed construction of immune responses arising from the jabs.”

            Just a symptom of the lack of testing. That doesn’t make them any less vaccines.

            “If the jabs target a specific protein spike they miss successive protein spikes as the virus regenerates.”

            I presume you meant something along the lines of what if the virus mutates its spike protein to something far different from the protein the body has learned to recognise as an infection that needs dealing with. Well in that case our natural immune system is the failsafe. The body will see a foreign body, it’ll spend a week or two ‘analysing’ it then another week or two producing a response exactly as it always does the first time it meets a new antigen. This is the exact same process that happens after getting jabbed for the first time.

          12. But you can still get Covid. I refused the jab as I believe i am more at risk from the jab than from covid.

          13. Yes of course. You still catch every disease you’ve been vaccinated against but you mostly don’t notice these bugs because your immune system fights them off quite well.

        2. Had an interesting conversation with a consultant today. Back in June, I awoke one morning with numbness in the 4th & 5th fingers of my right hand. Not unusual, I thought. But it didn’t go away. GP referred me to the Royal Surrey for nerve conduction studies, and Cranleigh for ultrasound. Ulnar nerve appeared thickened. It’s rather like carpal tunnel syndrome, but located at the elbow.

          Now, most of the numbness has worn off, which means I can play the organ again. So I attended my referral, this time in Haslemere (I think the NHS has a deal with Stagecoach and South Western Railway).

          I’ve had a slight suspicion that this may have been related to ‘the vax’. Literally, within a couple of days of the first AZ jab, I developed bursitis of the left elbow. It eventually went away. Never had it before or since. The numbness thing was within a week or two of the second jab. I’ve read a great deal about the ‘Rona, but I willingly subjected myself to the clot shots, if only to ensure my future ability to go to the pub.

          So the consultant asked me whether I’d had a virus before the numbness. “No”, says I, “but I’m closely following the – uncensored – news about the ‘pandemic’. I’m aware that 147k* instances of nervous system adverse events have been reported to the yellow card system for the AZ ‘vax’ alone.”

          To my astonishment, the consultant (He’s ‘Mr’, so I guess he’s a surgeon) was quite open to the possibility that the spike proteins introduced by the jab might have been the cause. Obviously, we’ll never be certain, but I left the consultation somewhat more convinced that I have a ‘vaccine’ injury than before I attended.

          I’ll be having repeat nerve conduction studies in the New Year, but if things get worse, I have to phone him. Hopefully, I can avoid surgery. I can live with slight numbness.

          I won’t be queuing up for a booster…

          *since it’s estimated that only 10% of adverse events are reported, there could be 1.5 million relating to the nervous system.

    2. That’s well below normal mortality though and the stats for deaths per 100k show no excess. Mind, the bets on them being jabbees…

      1. Agreed Sue. However with70% of the UK population jabbed (and probably 95%+ in en route to the pearly gates) one would expect the vast majority of deaths to be those who’ve been jabbed….

        1. That’s interesting. Is there any reason postulated for that pattern? Or is it that people die, their death just isn’t reported until Tuesday?

    3. This silly bitch should look at total deaths every week from causes other than “covid AND remember that most “covid deaths” aren’t covid at all.

      2. Yes to the first. First of all, they tipped out all the elderly from the nhs wards into care homes, where they infected the elderly already there as well. This was done under the guise of preparing for the influx of covid ill. They tried to get anyone they could who went into hospital for anything else into a covid ward (so that, presumably, they would catch covid….!). Relatives had to put up a real fight to keep them out. Then they were ‘midazolammed’ – hence ‘Midazolam Matt’. It explains why many younger people died whom you felt should not have died. They needed those death figures bumped up especially ‘younger’ ages with which to scare the population into going along with the scam. It seems Midazolam was used in the care homes and nursing homes, this created the ‘epidemic’ (made it look like one) by the number of deaths. All this explains, I suppose, why hospitals closed down. They didn’t want their professional people wandering around finding out what was going on. Minimal staff everywhere except where absolutely necessary. I don’t suppose everyone was in on it. Most probably did what they were told.
        Ventilators and Midazolam did the job. Midazolam inhibits respiratory function. Whistle blowing nurse said “if the public knew what was going on in the hospitals they wouldn’t be clapping for us, they would be stoning us to death.” It has taken me a long time to get my head around all this because of the denial aspect.

        Hancock bought up 2-3 years supply of Midazolam and allegedly scoured France for their supplies.

    5. How many are people who’ve been kicked out of their nursing homes due to lack of staff? Or is that the good news for November?

      1. November 11th is the date for all staff to be double vaccinated. We still haven’t found a chef.

        1. Hmm, take a job where nobody asks about your medical records, or take a job where you sign up to have any jabs that the government mandates, in perpetuity. Hard decision….
          Care homes are being treated cynically and appallingly by this government.

    6. As for all that, I find it difficult that these people are taken in by fake figures and think that Boris & Co are doing some sort of a good job.

      Wake up you dozy people and enjoy your next lockdown start November 12/13.

  89. Evening, all. Rode the Connemara in a Happy Mouth bit today (normally I ride him in a Hackamore – a bitless bridle) because he was already tacked up and I said don’t bother to change it. He is more relaxed bitless, but he did some nice work today despite the bit and was even trying to stretch down (although he couldn’t sustain it). We think he may have had an injury to his jaw before he came; at first he couldn’t bite an apple in half – now he can crunch them with the best. As far as the headline goes, “net zero” is a nonsense.

          1. Not quite; just bitless. I still rode with a bridle and saddle – just as well as we had a bit of a disagreement over where we were going in the canter; I gave him the instructions to turn right, he decided he wanted to go left and we nearly ran into the wall of the school!

      2. I’ve changed so I can ride Tuesdays and Thursdays. An extra day – what’s not to like? 🙂

      2. Yes an eggbut; it has a plastic covering and is supposed to be very kind. He’s eaten through at least three!

    3. Good luck, troop. Good to know that you care for both horse and dog.

      Give Oscar a pat from us.

      1. Oscar is not flavour of the month right now; he was so intent on trying to get my food when I was eating my supper he weed a huge puddle in the dining room – and then barked at me when I told him off! I told him he wasn’t worthy of wearing Charlie’s clothes, sleeping in Charlie’s bed and lying on Charlie’s mat (even on his last night, when he had severe diarrhoea, Charlie was clean in the house). I am ignoring the dirty hound – hopefully he’ll get the message.

        1. That’s the way to do it.

          They do learn eventually – perseverance is required and I’m sure you’ll manage.

          1. Today he (although not the weather) has been dry, but I have been putting him out whether he likes it or not!

          2. “Good night, John-Boy. Good night, Elizabeth. And good night, daddy. Good night, son. And good night, mama. Good night, Mary Ellen. Good night, Jim Bob.”

          8. Long time passing – when will they ever learn that young girls have picked them every one?

  91. For those of you who have TVs and Licences, ‘allo’ allo is being repeated on Drama, Channel 20, at about 8pm daily

    I was allowed to watch it through my neighbours kitchen window earlier tonight

    It is so unWoke, that it is a joy to watch

    1. An Azorian high, it is 17c here, warm rain, amazing and almost tropical when I accompanied the dogs in the garden as they did their evening wee.

          1. I’ve moved from a place with absolutely no street lights (save for the 11W CFL light sensor lamp I put in the lychgate) to a place with utterly ineffective street lamps. The torch in my phone is just as necessary. The roll out of LED lamps in Surrey evidently passed us by.

          2. We, have a street light in our front garden.

            It had been photo-shopped out of the Estate Agents pictures of the Front Garden

            Makes parking the car a bujjer and until it goes out at midnight, it is hard to get to sleep in the front bedroom

    2. It took them many years before they dared show it in Germany. A “don’t mention the war” complex.

      They needn’t have worried. The Germans loved it, and appreciated that the British could make fun of the Third Reich in a way they couldn’t in Germany. They particularly enjoyed the corrupt and decadent potato-faced colonel – they have such a character in every village there.

      The other great admirer of the show was the 6th Marquess of Bath, Henry Thynne, who founded Longleat. He was given a forged copy of ‘Fallen Madonna with the Big Boobies’ by von Klomp, which he hung with pride.

      The current Marquess, Ceowlin, a straight-laced city gent with a gorgeous half-Nigerian wife was highly embarrassed by the artistic tastes of his forebears. In a documentary, he stumbled across a landscape his grandfather acquired painted in the early 20th century by an Austrian who went on to set up a 1000 year empire. Ceowlin suggesting auctioning it off and donating the money to a Jewish charity. His father’s pornographic murals are legendary. I wonder how many are left since the 7th Marquess died of Covid last year.

      1. Yo jH

        Lord Bath was admitted to the Royal United Hospital, Bath, on 28 March 2020 and while in hospital tested positive for COVID-19 during the COVID-19 pandemic. He died whilst infected by the disease on 4 April 2020 at the age of 87

        It does not say that he died ofit

  92. I have just come to realise, Climate Change is real and happening now

    All the time there was daylight today, it was cold outside around , 12/13 Deg C

    Now, that it is dark, with no sunshine, the temperature outside has risen to 20 Deg C+

    3. They don’t appear to want my vote – there’s a black woman on the front page! As with adverts, I reckon it isn’t aimed at me.

    4. I’ve done it, but the site knew my email, my postal address and that I was looking tired, FFS.

      1. Exactly, I shall always be the the 3rd Donkey and remove the twatterati obstacles placed in my way.

      2. I love the way the third donkey nods his head to the little grey donkey behind him just before he moves up to the pole. Then he seems to assess the situation, left to right, calculates and makes his move.

  99. Dennis Hutchings interview: ‘It’s not just about clearing my name before I die but stopping witch hunt trials’

    Dennis Hutchings spoke to the Telegraph in one of his final interviews ahead of his trial over the shooting of a man in Tyrone in 1974

    About time that Parliament recognised that those they sent to carry out their orders are not to blame. Government must learn to carry the can – but it won’t happen with this ‘woke’ stupid government.

      1. The Dennis Hutchings case is appalling. The ruling class really hate us, and things like this show it.

  101. Just looking for a cover for my new car on t’internet. Found a good one but the quoted price didn’t include VAT, which I only discovered when I came to check out. I thought they had to state that prices don’t include VAT? Well, that’s one sale they’ve lost.

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