Monday 19 September: Praise for a King who has lifted the nation’s spirits while grieving the loss of his mother

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732 thoughts on “Monday 19 September: Praise for a King who has lifted the nation’s spirits while grieving the loss of his mother”

    1. Very quiet here too, hardly any traffic. Nice sunny day- a bit cool but supposed to warm up.
      A day full of emotion ahead.

  5. The DT wants me to remove this BTL comment:

    “Whilst he is making, mostly, all the right noises, I still worry about his, and the new Prince of Wales’ attitude to the ‘woke’ green lobby over the many falsehoods spread about dangers to the environment from CO2, a trace gas in the atmosphere, essentiail to plant life.”

    One has to ask why?

      1. While I’m not denying climate change I’m convinced it has nothing to do with CO2 but rather it is caused by that big yellow thing we sometimes see in the sky.

  6. Missed this

    “NYC fires another 850 teachers and teaching aides
    after they failed to get the COVID vaccine by September 5 deadline –
    bringing total to 1,950 terminated by department of education since
    vaccine mandate took effect

    The New York City Department of Education has axed 850 teachers and
    classroom aides after they refused to show proof of getting the COVID
    vaccine”
    The covid clotshot pressure ain’t over folks these nutters aren’t giving up…….

  10. I’ve been prevented from posting on Nottl this morning. Oddly this didn’t stop others commenting or upvoting my opening post. GCHQ? Am I a security risk to the funeral?

    1. I had problems getting onto the site first thing this morning, and had to access it by a slightly different method, but it seems to be back to normal now.

      1. Morning A. It’s not important in itself but I like to report any anomalies so that anyone else suffering them doesn’t think that it is their imagination or fault!

    2. I got the server upgrade message too, but only when connected via the US. Prolly just a server upgrade!

  11. Why is violence breaking out in Leicester? 19 September 2022.

    For the past few weeks Leicester has become a kind of mini-Kashmir in the middle of England, with clashes, protests and disorder breaking out in the city between young Muslim and Hindu men. It’s a remarkable turn of events for a city which has long prided itself on being a functioning multicultural society, a place where Hindus and Muslims live alongside one another in relative harmony.

    This article works very well as a report on the riots but unsurprisingly the author offers no real answer to the question in the headline. To do this would be to venture onto the sacred ground of the lie that is Multiculturalism and Diversity!

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-is-violence-breaking-out-in-leicester-

      1. Beat me to it. We could call the enclosed area …. oooh …. I don’t know ….. help me here; a word beginning with ‘G’?

      1. I hope the staff at Leicester Railway station are fully trained in washing down blood and stacking heads in an orderly manner.

  12. ‘Morning, Peeps from sunny Sidmarf in yer glorious Devon. 

    From today’s DT – there is hope for us yet:

    Police should not take the knee with Black Lives Matter campaigners

    Officers must remain impartial no matter what the cause, new Met Commissioner says

    ByDanielle Sheridan18 September 2022 • 9:51pm

    Police officers should not take the knee, the new Met commissioner has said.

    Sir Mark Rowley, who took up the post last week, set out his position on how police officers should respond to the Black Lives Matter movement.

    “We should not align with any protest group, whether it’s a cause that everyone agrees with or a cause that only 1 per cent agrees with,” he said.

    At a Black Lives Matters protest over the death of George Floyd in 2020, a number of police officers were caught taking the knee with protestors.

    Sir Mark told The Sunday Times: “We are the police and we should operate without fear or favour. We get lost trying to please all of the people all of the time.”

    A Cambridge graduate who planned to join the police as a forensic scientist, Sir Mark said a formative experience in Birmingham as a young officer taught him a lesson about his own resilience.

    Just 18 months into the job Sir Mark was attacked by a group of men as he tried to arrest a man who threw a beer bottle at a car window. They beat him unconscious as well as breaking his nose. “It was a really important experience for me in my life,” he said.

    “It shook me up for a while and I was off sick for a few weeks. You go back on patrol and you build your confidence again. It teaches you about your own resilience.”

    The 57-year-old replaced Dame Cressida Dick, who left the force in April after a number of controversies, including the rape and murder of Sarah Everard by an officer.

    Sir Mark has also pledged to root out “toxic” officers and vowed to send police officers to all burglaries, admitting that it was “too invasive” a crime to ignore.

    He also explained why it was a challenging process to get rid of toxic employees within the force, stating that the police appeals tribunal can instruct sacked officers be kept on.

    “We have got people who have failed vetting who we still have to keep in the organisation, which is the most perverse conundrum,” he admitted.

    “As a general point we don’t have the final say. And that seems wrong and it would be really helpful to change that.”

    Sir Mark added that  “it does feel like some of the cards are stacked against me”.

    The BTL posters are impressed – provided he sticks with it:

    Bevill Conder9 HRS AGO

    Fancy that

    The police should be a politically neutral force that upholds the laws that parliament have passed.

    Trying to portray yourself as an impartial individual of the Crown must be very hard if you are on your hands and knees bowing to a BLM crowd

    Gm vEight8 HRS AGO

    I am totally bemused at the BLM organisation, they have declared themselves to be an anarchist political organisation, rather than a charity, actively want to abolish the police, who are kneeling for them, and are enriching themselves with donations, rather than supporting those who they are said to be fighting for, yet they still retain a veneer of respectability. Why?

    Billy Sastard8 HRS AGO

    My late father-in-law was a Met copper. Six foot two, a man of integrity and common sense, a wonderful patriarch (the missus is one of five) and one of the finest people I’ve ever had the privilege to know- a genuinely proper bloke and a true “man’s man”.

    He must have been spinning in his grave for the last twenty years at the absolute shower of excrement who have been in charge at New Scotland Yard.

    AM BY9 HRS AGO

    This is a positive statement but such a shame it is needed. It should be obvious the Police (individual officers or more widely) should not align itself to any cause. I’m in the Police in another Force and refused to join a Pride parade when asked for that very reason.

        1. State schools are too dangerous for children these days…
          The covid scam scared a lot of parents who were previously ok with state schools, I know.

        1. Thank goodness he didn’t have the hots for Gay.
          (I was at school with two sister whose names were Joy and Gay.)

          2. Thinking about their parents, I suspect they were change-of-life babies and the names reflected Ma and Pa’s delight.

  15. Good Moaning.
    Well, you live and learn.

    “A police chief in Leicester has called for calm after three weeks of disorder sparked by a Pakistan v India cricket match escalated to violence from marauding balaclava-clad gangs.”

    Three weeks? So this had been going on for over a week before the Queen died? I don’t remember hearing a bat squeak about it during the week before 8th. September.

  18. When we had experience of government, the Queen did seem to revive. Then was her memory much magnified, such ringing of bells, such public joy and sermons in commemoration of her, the picture of her tomb painted in many churches, and in effect more solemnity and joy in memory of her coronation than ever was for the coming of King James.

    Geoffrey Goodman, Bishop of Gloucester on the passing of Elizabeth I. Let us hope that his experience is not to be repeated.

  19. SIR – I was finally due to have a colposcopy – a cervical cancer test – today.

    I had been waiting since being flagged in March (Letters, September 17); the appointment was delayed due to a combination of the Covid backlog and staff shortages. Worryingly, I then found out the appointment had been delayed, again, as a result of Queen Elizabeth’s funeral. I’ve also heard about life-saving operations and appointments being cancelled for the bank holiday. Unfortunately, however, cancer will not be taking the day off.

    I can’t imagine what the news must feel like to someone who knows they are in desperate need of treatment and can’t receive it. And the already stretched NHS staff hardly need the extra administration involved in rescheduling appointments.

    Let the Royal family mourn, and let people keep living their lives.

    Geneva Stanton
    London N4

    The final sentence says it all.  Fortunately when the Big C came a knockin’ at Janus Towers a few years ago we were both in relatively normal times and the system worked well.  Heaven help us now if there is a repeat performance.

  20. West wavers on Ukraine proposals to seize Russian assets as reparations. 19 September 2022.

    Ukraine is facing a battle to persuade its western allies, including the UK, to back its proposal for any peace settlement with Moscow to include multibillion reparations by Russia, in part using seized Russian state and oligarch assets.

    Ukraine is lobbying the UN general assembly to adopt a resolution that will become the basis for the creation of an international compensation mechanism that could lead to the seizure of as much as $300bn (£260bn) of Russian state assets overseas.

    The US Department of Justice said in June the US and its allies have frozen $30bn of Russian elite assets and $300bn of Russian central bank assets held overseas.

    This is still theft, just on a large scale. It will also be another nail in the coffin of the Dollar Hegemony. To counteract the seepage of confidence and the withdrawal of funds US 2 year Treasury Bonds now yield 3.75% interest. At the start of the war on 24 February this was 1.475%. A two and a half fold increase in six months!

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/18/west-wavers-on-ukraine-proposals-to-seize-russian-assets-as-reparations

    2. And when Russia finds out this is UN policy and decides to utterly obliterate Ukraine as a nation, who will take the compensation/stolen assets?
      Or is the West really prepared for WW3 and nuclear exchanges?

    3. Greedy barstewards – haven’t they got enough from all the corruption, topped up by flogging off all the military hardware we’ve sent?

    1. Just build a wall round the place and leave them to get on with it.
      Possibly install seating so we can watch from a safe distance.
      We’ll bring the bread; Leicester can supply the circus – and the sand to mop up the blood.

  23. SIR – Tony Lodge (Business, September 17) writes: “We need a public inquiry into this energy disaster.”

    Indeed we do. The politicians and civil servants whose blinkered resistance to any form of non-renewable energy has cost so much in the longer term – and resulted in so much suffering – must be investigated.

    Mr Lodge names people as far back as 2001, including anti-nuclear zealots and politicians such as Tony Blair and David Cameron, not to mention Boris Johnson, with his hubristic net zero targets. Then there are the ministers and civil servants who helped them. I am appalled by the lack of balance in their approach, and their willingness to sacrifice Britain’s interests to EU diktats and the green lobby.

    Monica Cooper
    Arundel, West Sussex

    Well said, Ms Cooper!  It is certainly time to investigate the (predictable) failure of this country’s lack of energy provision, in the hope that future generations will never again sacrifice proper provision on the altar of greenie virtue-signalling.  If nothing else this massive failure has demonstrated just how thick our politicians really are!

    1. “We need a public inquiry into this energy disaster.”

      No we really don’t. Not because one isn’t needfull but because it would be as fake as all its predecessors. They are simply a way of distracting the people. No serious consequences ever stem from them!

    2. “We need a public inquiry into this energy disaster.”

      No we really don’t. Not because one isn’t needfull but because it would be as fake as all its predecessors. They are simply a way of distracting the people. No serious consequences ever stem from them!

    3. “We need a public inquiry into this energy disaster.”

      No we really don’t. Not because one isn’t needfull but because it would be as fake as all its predecessors. They are simply a way of distracting the people. No serious consequences ever stem from them!

    5. What do Blair, Cameron, Johnson and all the ministers and civil servants have in common? I’ll bet there isn’t one of them that doesn’t have links to some Bilderberg/WEF/Common Purpose group.

      1. Are the political reprobates you list linked by ideology i.e. they really believe the nonsense? Or, is there some other link, e.g. they are really dumb when it comes to basic maths, physics or rational thought about the impact their ideas will have on the Country?

        1. I think they have no principles; they are just people who like to be on the winning side, especially when it comes with a lot of goodies for them.

    6. Excellent.
      What is needed is for everyone to write to their own mp with a similar or even the same wording. We can’t force a political revolution which is what we really need and want, but we can inundated these standoffish arm waving virtue signalling, I’m all right Jack useless political knobs into some sort of action. What is really needed is an end to the multi party system. And more independents in Parliament.

      1. “...these standoffish arm waving virtue signalling, I’m all right Jack useless political knobs...”

        They are testiculating, Eddy, i.e., waving their arms about while talking bollox.

        1. Like many do, ours has a Facebook page and after more than 12 months there are only 11 comments basically telling him, we know what you’re up to (nothing) so get yer finger out.

  24. SIR – A T Patrick (Letters, September 16) suggests that “explore and appraise” is the way forward for fracking in Britain. That approach is precisely why we are embroiled in the current crisis. Too much exploring and appraising, and too little action by a political elite fixated on the short term.

    David Hutchinson
    Nutley, East Sussex

    A good BTL on this subject

    Trevor Anderson2 HRS AGO

    Bruce Chalmers: Charles has only been doing what is expected of him with regard to the death of his mother. As for making a good start, “the proof of the pudding etc……!” He will have to abstain from his interference in politics; and as mentioned about previous PM’s and Boris Johnson by Monica Cooper in her letter, his ridiculous Net Zero ambitions should be stopped dead in its’ tracks. Bravo also to David Hutchinson on his letter.

    Charles should also avoid accepting suitcases full of cash. Imprudence is too generous a description.

    The nonsense of EV’s was demonstrated in California last week. Seven days after issuing a decree about the stopping of the production and purchase of fossil-fuelled vehicles, their government has directed EV owners not to plug in their vehicles because of the inability of the grid to cope.

    In the UK, EV’s have been launched without an infrastructure. it appears that we may have a forthcoming situation where we won’t have enough electricity to heat and light our homes – let alone charge these vastly expensive red herrings that have batteries that cannot be recycled. The mining of metals required for batteries and especially the sourcing of lithium is a vastly CO2 producing – highly expensive business. The USA is talking about having to import lithium because they can’t produce enough of their own.

    Our planet contains .04% CO2, the UK produces 1% of that, China produces 38% – why do these cranks think our efforts to reduce our total will make a difference to the planet? We should be rebuilding coal fired power stations (there is still 300 years worth of coal underground) Nuclear Power, start fracking and getting oil and gas from the North Sea – every means possible. Wind and solar are only inefficient adjuncts.

    1. It has been observed that EVs are merely a transition drug between car ownership and no car ownership.

      1. When we no longer have cars we shall damned well have to cycle, walk or stay where we are because they will never get round to providing adequate public transport.

        This remind me. One of my cousins was a keen sailor and her fiancé was a member of the Leander Club and a keen oarsman.

        My father gave a brief address at their wedding:

        “If there is a fair wind, Marion will take the helm; if there is not, Barry can damned well row!”

  26. What the Queen’s funeral tells us about Britain. 19 September 2022.

    How galling it must be for the small minority of whinging Guardianistas and denigrators, that not only do the people turn out in their millions to pay tribute to their departed Queen, but the world’s leaders will follow them too. The little island some detractors deem as ‘isolated’ or ‘irrelevant’ will today play host to a wide world that can only envy the values that our late Queen embodied so superbly.

    One cannot avoid the rather macabre reflection that if Vlad nuked London about two o’clock this afternoon with Westminster Abbey as Ground Zero he would eliminate most of his enemies in one blow!

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-the-queen-s-funeral-tells-us-about-britain

      1. I thought they’d been warming up on the streets of Leicestershire.
        All of course kept on the media back burners because of other more important goings on.

    3. I was thinking of that as I slipped off to sleep last night. Not Vlad, anyone. Do you know the horror movie The Medusa Touch? It imagines a man who can will Westminster Abbey to crumble and collapse on top of the assembled elites. It would be sad to lose the abbey.

      2. Morning Sue. I rather like the end of V for Vendetta where the Houses of Parliament are destroyed!

      3. I have had strange dreams like that , Sue .

        A new order .. levelling up/ down .

        Stuff of Orwell or Ayn Rand .

        We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.
        Ayn Rand

        1. Ayn Rand, Maggie, had a great effect on my political views from the 1950s onward. I avidly read Atlas Shrugged and The Fountain Head to find that my to attitude to socialism was diametrically opposed.

          ’twas nothing I wished to be a part of.

        2. Ayn Rand, Maggie, had a great effect on my political views from the 1950s onward. I avidly read Atlas Shrugged and The Fountain Head to find my to attude to socialism was diametrically opposed.

          ’twas nothing I wished to be a part of.

    4. I see that the foaming republicans are showing their faces. Not 6 moths ago, Barbados threw out the Queen as head of state with the usual mutterings about colonialism. Now Jamaica, Jacinda, Trudeau and others are all here in full hypocritical mode.

      1. No doubt some of them will end up like the African states that preceded them, especially when they can’t blackmail whitey any more. Wishing them good luck.

  27. Morning all 🙂
    But a sad day for all who care and recognition for those who don’t. And now it’s been made obvious by the show of indifference. Now We know who you all are.

  28. 356219+ up ticks,

    Monday 19 September: Praise for a King who has lifted the nation’s spirits

    Praise must surely be given also keeping in mind that rhetoric is a powerful tool when fools are attentive this has been proved via the ballot booth time & time again.

    The coalition politico’s hollowed out vows,promises, pledges to such an extent that used toilet tissue is of more value.

    A public health / welfare warning tis not only a Queen RIP that needs guards 24/7, but her living subjects, ongoing.

    1. Beautiful.
      Another needlework possibility.
      Oh for the time and application to get going on your wonderful photos.

    3. I see these things, I press the button, and make a nonsense, a blurred blob. You make something beautiful and permanent.

          1. A bit noisy when the race track is open (Sorry Connor, car and bike, not horses) but apart from that it’s a good choice.

          3. A bit noisy when the race track is open (Sorry Connor, car and bike, not horses) but apart from that it’s a good choice.

  30. Good morning, all. Bright but very chilly at the moment in N Essex.

    Some BTL put up below re the Net Zero nonsense: I think this short explanation of the usefulness, or not, of renewables from an expert is easy to understand. It’s amazing that our politicos, along with many in the USA, do not get the point. Ideological (WEF/NWO) innit!

    From 1:45 in:

    Dave Walsh on Energy

  31. The wokery continues…

    “‘Manned’ is banned as National Grid launches gender neutral push
    ‘Chairman’ also falls foul of company’s attempt to ‘convey respect to all’
    By
    Rachel Millard
    18 September 2022 • 8:00am
    The FTSE 100 company in charge of matching supply and demand on the nation’s electricity system has taken on another balancing act: gender neutral language. National Grid’s electricity system operator (ESO) has struck out masculine pronouns from its Grid Code, in a move it argued will benefit society and improve its service. ‘He’ and ‘his’ have been replaced by ‘they’ and ‘their’ where nouns can refer to men or women, while ‘manned’ has made way for ‘staffed’ and ‘chairman’ has become merely ‘chair’. The changes will “have a positive impact by removing any gender bias, inequality and discrimination”, it argued. “They will also acknowledge diversity and convey respect to all people,” the operator added in papers first proposing the move towards the end of last year.”

    How changing pronouns will improve service is beyond me. Total idiocy and another example of how an insignificant minority are being permitted to influence society.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/09/18/manned-banned-national-grid-launches-gender-neutral-push/

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  34. For a brief few minutes I watched the Parliament channel. A young lady was being interviewed. Leigh Armitage. She was personable, well presented and intelligent. She spoke well, pleasantly, clear and concise. She had started a charity and won awards, met the Queen. The interviewer was Sophie Raworth.
    Ms Raworth, well, “cat dragged in” covers it, mostly.

      1. The BBC is scraping around. Huw Edwards is chatting to David Loseanigloo and somebody else. David is saying the Queen did a great job with the Commonwealth. I think not. Trade deals? Also why did she spend so little time in Commonwealth countries? Why not a permanent residence in each of Canada, Australia, India, New Zealand, Belize, Bahamas, Lesotho, Malaysia, Fiji, for example? The Queen could have spent six months of each year out and about in the Commonwealth.

        1. I really don’t want to watch the BBC and have the Queen’s memory beeboidised.
          Will watch it on GB News, I think.

          1. Too late – Baroness Scotland’s perfectly dreadful reading from Corinthians was painful. Why was she chosen – she was awful, and just sounded belligerent. Not representative of our deceased Queen, our King or our country.

          3. Barreness Scotland’s phrasing was all wrong – far too staccato, lack of fluency.

            The prime minister read fluently but she really will have to get elocution lessons.

          4. That’s not a lot better, The announcer’s interjections are excruciating.
            A bit like jumping up & down in a flowerbed with hobnail boots on.

  35. For a brief few minutes I watched the Parliament channel. A young lady was being interviewed. Leigh Armitage. She was personable, well presented and intelligent. She spoke well, pleasantly, clear and concise. She had started a charity and won awards, met the Queen. The interviewer was Sophie Raworth.
    Ms Raworth, well, “cat dragged in” covers it, mostly.

  36. I shall sign off now – reflecting on the last two State Funerals I saw on TV. I suspect I’ll not see another. I also saw – live on TV – the King, Queen and the young Princesses set sail in HMS Vanguard for South Africa – and Princess Elizabeth’s marriage to Prince Philip. Not many of us left who can claim that folio!

    I’ll join you tomorrow – DV.

  37. There is scope for an oleaginously bland presenter to present a TV programme called “You Have Been Scammed” in the style of Eamon Andrews’s This is Your Life.

    Each week the truth is presented to an unsuspecting victim of the scam with surprise guests, glitz and musak and film of the plausible scammers effecting their scams. One week the victim would be someone who has just bought an electric-powered car, the next week someone who has replaced his conventional boiler with a heat pump, the next week someone who has been Covid-jabbed and multi-boosted – the scope of scams and potential victims could keep the programme at the top of the ratings for at least six months with repeats on BBC4.

  38. The A5012, Via Gellia, that runs past my house is almost deserted. It’s quieter than a Sunday!

    2. Yes, I thought that when I walked the dogs. I only saw one person (my neighbour delivering milk and a paper to another neighbour).

  41. Good Morning. Cold and clear. mo milk, forgot to buy some before today. Everything is closed.

    3. I keep a stock of long life and a tin or two of evap for such emergencies. Not great, but better than nothing.

  42. I thought if a meteor fell to earth in London now in a certain place before HM Queen Elizabeth II coffin arrived, would the world be a better place.
    The fact this occurred to me when Blair arrived was just a coincidence!

  44. 356219+ up ticks,

    Westminster,

    And so it came to pass that many a political
    carrion eater assembled, treacherous devourers of truth, honesty & integrity.

  45. Six bags of sand filled, hoiked up the hill and tipped.
    Now doing a cup of tea & toast to watch the proceedings with.

  46. Ten ton Viccy The real reason why the Sailor-boys pull the gun carriage:

    The tradition of Royal Navy sailors pulling the monarch’s gun carriage at state funerals only began after an accident on the day of Queen Victoria’s final journey, some old newspapers reveal.

    The Queen had been due to make her final journey uphill to Windsor Castle on that wintry day in February 1901 pulled by eight bay horses of the Royal Horse Artillery.

    But when the horses took the weight of the coffin – which weighed 72 stone – part of the harness broke and one of them “received a blow and started to plunge”

    It was put about at the time that the last-minute change had been made because the horses were cold and likely to slip on the icy road from Windsor train station – perhaps to avoid a public discussion of the late Queen’s portly physique.

    But the real story only emerges in a 1936 newspaper cutting from the time of King George V’s funeral, when Sir Cecil Levita, who had been in command of the cortege on that wintry February day in 1901, revealed what had happened.

    “It was bitterly cold, with some snow, and the gun carriage had been kept waiting at Windsor station together with naval and military detachments for a considerable period,” he wrote in a letter to The Times after an article appeared to criticise the horses’ abilities.

    “When the Royal coffin, weighing 9cwt, had been placed on the gun carriage, drums began muffled rolls which reverberated under the station roof and the cortege started..”
    “Actually, the eyelet hole broke. The point of the trace struck the wheeler with some violence inside the hock and naturally the horse plunged.”

    “A very short time would have been required to improvise an attachment,” added. “However, the naval detachment promptly and gallantly seized the drag ropes and started off with the load.

    “I may add that, a few days later, King Edward told me that no blame for the contretemps was attached to the RHA by reason of the faulty material that had been supplied to them.”

    It was claimed another soldier reported that a certain admiral was “in high glee at scoring over the pongos” – a slang term that the Royal Navy used for the Army.

    1. That makes more sense than the explanation given yesterday. Getting a sudden whap on the hock certainly would make a horse spook.

  47. Oh dear.
    I don’t know who the announcer on GBNEWS’s coverage of Her Late Majesty’s funeral is, but he’d be better off remaining silent.
    His interjections are like jumping onto a flowerbed with hobnail boots on.

      1. She should have ben sent to prison for employing her illegal immigrant. As far as I know she has never been to Scotland. So I find the title rather irritating. Although I’d find it more irritating if she lived here permanently.

        1. Imagine being able to title yourself as a baroness, not just of a place like Finchley (- Margaret Thatcher) but of a whole country. What a self-entitled person she is! But then, her forbears were obviously not from Scotland.

    2. Have to say it didn’t worry me unduly – he had to be fairly quick in the short space of time available.

      What I couldn’t make sense of was choirmaster’s hand movements. Perhaps any choir member can advise if they take notice of these wavings!

  48. Gold in them thar Sconces?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2cf564cdfcaa48438bacef74d3fa129855a1e445ba74e6df58959f9abc71d999.jpg

    I had occasion to sit in the Choir of Westminster Abbey while one of my sons was singing Evensong in the Collegiate Choir.

    While waiting for the service to begin I looked at the lighting sconces (at least 48 of them, I think) which, though plain, were beautifully clean and sparkling. I thought that they were polished brass. Above is a photo, taken just now.

    Then I noticed some small marks on the one nearest me and realised that it was a hallmark, though I didn’t have a magnifying glass to read it in detail.

    So, to the best of my belief, they are all solid gold. Somebody must have made a fine bequest at some time. Does any Nottler have knowledge of this?

  49. 356219 + up ticks,

    My belief is we will never return to normal as was, to much poisoned water has been pumped into society via “non thinking widespread apathy among the electorate” via the polling booth.
    But we can go forward in regards to a damage control program as in, sugar on your cornflakes & to help the gates “medicine” go down along with cutting out meat will surely put you down prematurely.

    Chew this over,

    https://twitter.com/DrAseemMalhotra/status/1571400852572901376?s=20&t=gEJEjQJXcPYLikvfvvjIdQ

  50. And it’s raining.
    Not a lot, but enough to dissuade me from doing another half dozen bags of sand.
    I think I’ll attack Saturday’s crossword and get my had down for an hour!

    1. I don’t begrudge him that. No doubt the wording was carefully chosen, deliberated on and specific. Heaven forfend they write something genuine.

  52. 356219+ up ticks,

    The farage chap has just said King Charles has “won him over”

    Make of that what you will.

    1. He was very dignified, considering that was his mother in the coffin, and also the very long procession, for a man in his 70s.

      1. 356219+ up ticks,

        Afternoon N,
        The King has my sympathy.

        My meaning was the farage chap
        being “won over” by an alledged follower of the WEF brigade.

    1. Our Canadian commentators are seeking out the village idiot and showing images of the preening oaf.

        1. Oh but it is, this event in London is just another opportunity for photo ops of Trudeau looking important.

          The government didn’t pay six hundred million to the press without expecting unquestioning obedience.

          Just one in a series of his trips this week, all accompanied by his personal photographer.

  54. Okay so I’m not that knowledgeable with these big state funerals, but I was expecting a far more sombre funeral march.

    5. Speaking of vehicles, they have a procession following the marchers.

      Several Rolls carrying top royals but then a minivan. Who ranked lowly enough to ride in a family wagon?

  57. I expect tomorrow with the funeral over that it will all kick off again in the mainstream media,project fear will be back.

      1. Perhaps BoB could put in a request for some strong lads who will be kicking their heels tomorrow.. I’ll cast off..

      2. Thank you, Maggie but it’s ‘effin cold up here, so I ‘m heading for my warm bed again..Scotland, a horrible climate and it cannot comipete against its Southern compartriots.

    2. I guess it made up for Major and Blair between them stealing HRH’s beloved Royal Yacht Britania and its crew.

    1. Yes, was just going to post that. Keep quiet and show some respect you half wits. It is not about you. It’s a blasted funeral. A man is burying his mother.

    2. For once Huw Edwards got it right as the hearse moved past Knightsbridge: “Some of the public throwing flowers, others maintaining their dignified silence.”

    3. For once Huw Edwards go it right as the hearse moved past Knightsbridge: “Some of the public throwing flowers, others maintaining their dignified silence.”

  60. I thought it a very moving and historic ceremony. The sailors pulling and braking the coffin were superb and impressive. The little guys behaviour was perfect and the music sublime. Even Welby made a bit of sense.
    Will rejoin coverage after some jobs are done and some dinner prep done.
    Still hard to believe she’s gone.

  61. Well – what’s left of HM’s Armed Forces did Her Majesty proud. The Bearer Party done good – as did the Royal Navy.

    Unfortunate the Dianaesque flower throwing…..

    Two French TV channels are showing the whole thing live.

    A demain.

      1. I wonder if there’s a gimmigrant counter somewhere, along with the cost? I find it insulting that they’re given money in addition to housing and free food. It’s my blasted money, dammit. I earned it. I don’t want the state giving it to some waster. £40 a week x 4 is our energy bill. If they can give it away to Johnny Foreigner, then they can give it to me as well.

        1. It’s not only our money Wibbers it’s our land where the idiots are building new homes for them.

          2. At this rate Malmo will need to be cut off from the rest of Sweden and Mega City 1 style judges deployed.

          5. A new Migration Watch UK paper (MW494 – From which parts of the world have migrants come?)finds that more than six million of the nine million non-UK born people in 2019/20 first came to the UK for other reasons.

            6-9 *million*. For goodness sake. The population was falling and suddenly 10% per year lumped on us, contributing nothing, costing everything. Assuming that rate each year since that’s 30% more – 25 million more useless, economically inactive moouths to feed.

          6. Our own indigenous population stutters because the younger couples can’t afford to have children, they are too stretch financially and too busy working to pay taxes to support the scroungers.
            But there has never been the slightest attempt from this useless current bunch of DH politicos to explain the reasoning behind this invasion.

  62. I managed to keep it together right up to where the coffin was put in the hearse and the National Anthem played.

    1. I rather feel for Charles. He’s burying his mother. No doubt all this is part and parcel of the system, he’s prepared for it and what not but he is still doing all this in the public eye while fundamentally, his mother has died.

          2. Remember HMQ went on TV telling us not to be selfish – to take the jab. Hopefully wokeness will be shown up for what it is, at some stage.

          3. I think, like a lot of people, she believed the jabs were a marvel. It was before it was clear that they not only didn’t work, but were positively harmful.

          4. At that time some of us already knew that there was, or might be, a problem. Poor judgement by her to get involved in that instance, I thought.

      2. I did not have difficulty holding myself together while organizing my mother’s funeral but I only had immediate family to care about.

        Not just Chuck but the whole family have had to present the expected public image and hold back any emotions for the past week. Now they are having the funeral in front of many strangers.

    2. I wept lightly on and off throughout.
      We witnessed history and we will not see our late Queen’s like again.

    3. That is the bit that did it for me. The pageantry was awe inspiring, magnificent, redolent of, and a continuity of, our history but the coffin inside the hearse and the national anthem was so moving and brought it bang up to date; all of the past collided with the modern world. It was the national anthem for the Queen (her time and place in our Constitution) for the last time. I was moved to tears.

      1. No other country can do ceremony like the British. The military procession was faultless, the horses beautiful, the service moving.

    5. Watching so much of the ceremony often moved me to tears.

      What a great Monarch we have lost, alas we will not see her like again!

          1. He was an incredible battle commander- if Richard III was alive none of this would be happening.
            I did not want him buried there- should have been York.

          4. Yes, the city records show that he was “much loved and sadly missed” in York. Far more fitting that his remains should be interred there.

          5. So, remove the Natiional Grid from Leicester and let ’em live as if they were in Kashmir or West Pakistan.

          6. Well it is well-known that Islam causes problems wherever it has ever gone. Always, throughout history. Their illiterate, paedophile, murdering, slave-owning warlord “perfect man” may have something to do with it. Coupled with the fact that they have never had a Reformation nor an Enlightenment period of history.

          7. Well it is well-known that Islam causes problems wherever it has ever gone. Always, throughout history. Their illiterate, paedophile, murdering, slave-owning warlord “perfect man” may have something to do with it. Coupled with the fact that they have never had a Reformation nor an Enlightenment period of history.

          8. Well it is well-known that Islam causes problems wherever it has ever gone. Always, throughout history. Their illiterate, paedophile, murdering, slave-owning warlord “perfect man” may have something to do with it. Coupled with the fact that they have never had a Reformation nor an Enlightenment period of history.

        2. 356219+ up ticks,
          Afternoon N

          I would rather keep the indians get shot of the government & pakistanis.

    2. They could have all these people back where it is safer for them if they so wished and so could Pakistan

    2. One is a choice at a sign of respect. The other is incompetent government. You can’t really compare the two. The UK has suffered 20 years of socialist policy, Left wingery, the removal of responsibility, the expectation of decency and the corruption of it’s society. It is inevitable that services would fall – the state is too busy expanding to bother itself with service.

      Does the poster suggest that the NHS be given more money or real reform?

  66. I just had a bit of a thought, as it is now all kicking off in Leicester and as Leicester is now just a mirror image of India and Pakistan shouldn’t they be allowed to have coal fired power stations and cheap energy?

    As we all know, the climate net zero agenda is only supposed to harm Western civilisation.

    Then it would be just like home from home for them and they can rebuild their local economy and all live in relative peace and harmony.

    Just like we did before we went Green

    1. With a bit of luck, they will find it too cold in the UK this winter with not being able to afford the heating bills, so they’ll all go home to warmer climes.

      (Wishful thinking).

    2. I met a colleague at BBC Belfast who told me he’s from Leicester and soooo glad he moved to NI. He never wants to go back. It’s come to something, hasn’t it, when Belfast is more peaceful.

      1. From Leicester, that doesn’t surprise me. He is probably far more welcome there than he is in Leicester.

        1. He told me there are few third world immigrants in Belfast because, “the Irish don’t make them welcome”.

  67. I’ve seen the figure of 4 billion people being estimated to be watching at least part of the coverage of the Queen’s funeral.
    If only 0.1% think to themselves: “if they can do that for a funeral what might they do for me? I’m heading for Britain;”
    that’s 4 million illegal immigrants heading here.

    1. They’re already heading here. They didn’t need the Queen’s funeral to convince them they could sponge off us.

  68. Afternoon, all. There ;has been a deluge here; I just managed to find some shelter until it went over or I would have been like a drowned rat! I am not sure Charles has lifted spirits (not mine, anyway; I’m full of foreboding for the future of Chritianity, never mind the safety and economy of the country). I’ve avoided the TV coverage, but gave in and read some of the coverage in the local rag.

    1. The service was moving and procession very stirring. Charles coped admirably with what must have been an ordeal.

      1. It’s difficult burying your mother. I was surprised how hard I was hit when my mother died, despite the fact we had never got on.

          1. It’s the finality of it all; even if we didn’t see each other much, she was always there in the background (usually telling me how ungrateful I was and how I didn’t do enough!)

        2. It was bad enough emptying and selling Mother’s house. I’ll need some serious reinforcement when it comes to her funeral.

          2. No, but I will try a last round of calls tomorrow. Next time I’m in the UK, I will be barricading their door and flinging petrol bombs through the windows.

        3. It was bad enough emptying and selling Mother’s house. I’ll need some serious reinforcement when it comes to her funeral.

      1. “My soul, there is a country”, from Songs of Farewell. Words by Henry Vaughan (1621-95), music by Hubert Parry (1848-1918).

        1. Thankyou – I wondered if it was Parry. They put up the names of the musical pieces and the readers of lessons silently and I must have missed the first one. We didn’t have Huw’s ceaseless chatter at all during the service which was allowed to speak for itself.

  70. I’ve watched on and off during the day. I would have ,iked to sit and watch every minute from start to finish but cousin is having some problems with mental illness and so I’ve come down to West Wales to try to help her dhildren get sorted out. Social Services are finally taking action after years of a deteriorating situation came to a head last week with police and RSPCA involved as well.

    It is pleasing to see some women among the ranks. I have found all my life that there are plenty of occasions for males to demonstrate allegiance in formal public events, for women, not so much.

      1. Thanks Obers. Slowly and carefully I’m afraid – there’s a danger of her ending her own life if pushed too far.

          3. Don’t do that, Tom. There will guaranteed be a lot of people really upset by that, and whilst they maybe don’t matter in the scheme of things, it does reveal how many actually care about you, and wish you better than you have it now.
            So, build on your success in securing a place in Moffatt, and try for more positive developments.

          5. Yes, sometimes it’s really hard, unreasonably so that you ask yourself whether, in a previous life you were such a bastard to deserve this, ‘cos I wasn’t that nasty when I was younger, surely?
            Then I recall how it still breaks me down that a good friend killed herself with vodka and pills, in her car in a country park, and I wasn’t able to do owt about it, as I didn’t know she was so low. So, a death is awful, but a deliberately chosen one a million times worse. Death affects everybody, and diminishes us all, there’s the loss of another friend, the loss of all that experience, wit and knowledge.
            There’s a profound little story that was posted here some months ago, I don’t recall by whom. It was about their loving Grandmother (I think) who was dying of something awful, and the point was that, in her last weeks, they could repay the lifetime of love she had shown the family by allowing them to care for her. Maybe you could stop being so hard on yourself, relax a bit, and allow yourself to bask in some of the love & respect NTTL gives you? And we can’t be the only ones.

          6. Please don’t do that, Tom. You have no idea of the grief it gives those who are left behind (not to mention the guilt that they weren’t able to do more to help). I speak from experience after a close friend ended it all.

          7. I’ll maybe try, Connors ,but things are getting difficult. Especially the loss of a Best Beloved, good woman. Loneliness is a killer.

          9. There must be people in Moffat, particularly in the housing complex you’re in, with whom you could strike up friendships. Join clubs, go to church (that was a lifeline for me during the darkest days when I thought about closing the doors of the garage and sitting there with the engine running). Take up bridge or whist. It’s always darkest before dawn.

          11. It broke my heart. It’s more than ten years now and there isn’t a day goes by that I don’t regret I wasn’t able to do anything to prevent it.

          12. 20 years for me. I still ask the silly woman “What did you do that for?” But, there’s no answer.

          14. Banish the thought!

            Find people you trust and speak to them.

            I know a few people who were at the brink and held their hands, none of them have any regrets now, as far as I am aware. You can work through it. Good luck and patience.

          15. If you saw any of today’s ceremony, Tom, please take from it the Qyeen’s message of hope and remember all those thousands of people who turned out to witness some small part of it. She didn’t know any of them and they didn’t know her but we all loved her, and I don’t think love is too strong a word. We all on here care and worry for each other in some way and, when my son was so critically ill last year with double pneumonia I prayed to God, and I haven’t stopped since, thanking Him for guiding hospital staff to give the right treatment and care. It may not be something you wish to do but maybe give it a try? Anyway KBO.

    3. Sorry to hear that, Stormy. I hope things get sorted out for your cousin and family and animals. What a worry for you.

      1. Indeed, my thoughts too. Dogs have been taken somewhere safe, one put down sadly. At least things ha e started moving – the house is being made habitable again thank goodness. My cousin wants the dogs back, they were something of an emotional crutch for her but I’m trying to help her see that she isn’t able to look after them until. She can look, after herself.

        1. A very tricky situation for her. And for you trying to help her. You’re a good woman Stormy, well done. Are her children able to help out? Do hope things improve for you all.

    1. Quite droll that the pipers were playing “Over the sea to Skye” at one stage…obviously history was not the strong point there!

          2. What, allowing that dreadful woman to title herself “Scotland”? Or having a (albeit lovely) tune which mourned the passing of the Stuarts as part of the procession. I mean, there is inclusive and then there is inclusive…

          3. Her name is Scotland. She was a Home Office minister in 2009 when she was fined £5,000 for employing an illegal immigrant as a cleaner.

        1. They played that at St Paul’s memorial service, I think. Our organist played Ombra Mai Fu while we were waiting for the vigil to begin. It’s a nice piece of music, but it’s all about a tree!

          1. We’ve never forgotten seeing & hearing Dimiti Horostovski sing that at the final of the Cardiff Singer of the World in 1989. Brought the house down.

          2. One of our choir sang Pie Jesu (Faure’s Requiem) and did it exquisitely. We have some superb soprano soloists to call on.

      1. In the chapel maybe ten minutes ago.

        My mother would have been proud to have the same music at her funeral as for the queen.

          1. The choir sang that at the vigil, but a George Dyson arrangement. The Introit was Thou Knowest Lord the Secrets of Our Heart (Purcell), written for the funeral of Queen Mary II.

  73. 356219+ up ticks,

    May one say Leicester has surely shown we the sane element of society are supping in the last chance hotel.

    Rhetoric MUST be fully assessed, if acceptable then action taken NO MORE echoing vows,promises & pledges.

    If the new King is fitted up by reset / WEF tailors and seen by his subjects to be wearing NO clothes a citizens arrest must be the way to go, the real factual alternative is on par with Saturday night in Ikeja Nigeria, and you won’t like that.

    1. With this funeral we are watching the ceremonial end of our civilisation. The politicians have been breaking us down for some time, it is just a case of waiting for the end.

      1. 356219+ up ticks,

        Afternoon R,

        These past near forty years they were never lonely on the downward spiral they were supported ALL the way, again & again.

        1. I understood that at, some point they would be removed, to identfy that this is just another body to be buried.

          1. Yes, there are three cushions for them to be put on. So not too strong glue – I still say blue tack…

        3. When one of my friends buried her mother (who was an avid racing fan) they took the coffin out to the Grand National theme tune. There was very nearly a Becher’s Brook incident as they tried to get the coffin down the chancel steps!

    2. Couldn’t they have had taller bearers at the vpback to even it up a bit?

      They just mentioned here that the lead lined coffin weighs 400 kilos, those guys are strong.

      2. Just for you, Richardl. What a jerk

        Watch: Justin Trudeau sings Bohemian Rhapsody in London hotel days before Queen’s funeral

        Canadian prime minister criticised for being ‘disrespectful’ and failing to show ‘decorum’ as footage emerges of his Saturday night fun

        By Nick Allen 19 September 2022 • 4:44pm

        https://twitter.com/brianlilley/status/1571841624006705153?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1571841624006705153%7Ctwgr%5Ee06253d62d24e042e59b8b05d39bcce2264c59ea%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fworld-news%2F2022%2F09%2F19%2Fwatch-justin-trudeau-sings-bohemian-rhapsody-london-hotel-days%2F

      3. When they lifted it from the gun carriage it appeared almost as though it was on a lift. It was so smoothly done without any tremors. Wonderful control.

          1. I agree. There are some things that men can do that women can’t and vice versa. Of course the woke idiot view is contrary to nature and reality. Where will it all end?
            In tears I guess.

    3. This morning, they were pointing a bit to starboard on the way in but appeared to have straightened up on the way out.

    4. I think the forces and the police also did a fine job as you’d expect , I can imagine just how long their day has been, but hats off for those who organised everything .- a mammoth task.

        2. Plan and prepare yes but it’s only been 10 days for them to practice and get all the possible hiccups ironed out

        4. Yes but carrying the coffin with The Queen in it is a bit different to a practice run.
          The steps into King George’s Chapel looked terrifyingly steep.

  75. I have kept it together, pretty much, but when I saw the Orb, Sceptre and Crown removed from the coffin and then HM’s staff broken over the coffin- then I lost it.
    It truly is the end of an era.
    May she rest in peace- she has earned it and then some.

  76. I wasn’t prepared for the finale, the removal of the sceptre, orb and crown from the Queen’s coffin – the return of these to the State. The symbolic break-up of the Queen’s household… The coffin descending. All extraordinary to witness, and impossibly moving.

    1. Yes it was so moving and for want of better word spectacular.
      Fascinating how a very small woman has dwarfed the total sum of all politicians present at her funeral.

          3. Ahhhh! I’m suffering from telly overload – perhaps I did not spot those two shysters at St George’s but I have seen them both incorrectly dressed somewhere today. Hallucinations? Nightmares? Tomorrow is another day. Time for a private toast to our greatly missed late Monarch who had very firm views about how much of today’s spectacular should happen and told the Earl Marshal (the 18th Duke of Norfolk) what she wanted. His grandfather, 16th Duke, had organised Her Coronation in his capacity as Earl Marshal. He was much admired, knew lots about racehorses and cricket if not much else, and was widely referred to as Uncle Bernie, despite forebears who had had their heads chopped off.

          5. Indeed he did. I only met him once but he was delightful and said lots of other fruity things. He was my Uncle Carnaby’s best friend at skule as well as being his and my Mum’s 2nd cousin. The current Duke/Earl Marshal (my children’s 4th cousin, which doesn’t count as a relative, merely a kinsman) has aged visibly in the past couple of decades. I don’t know him personally but am told that he is a good egg,

  79. As far as I am aware, there were no protests or incidents to mar the day and for that I am very grateful.

    Thank God

    May she rest in rest.

  80. Well. Just left GB News when they brought on a grief counsellor. They did very good coverage – Nigel Farage, Gavin Ashenden and David Starkey all on one programme – and die-versity wasn’t mentioned at all! except by the Horse and Hound woman right at the end.

    I thought the funeral would be comforting, but it wasn’t at all – it just got sadder and sadder until the last moment when the coffin disappeared.

    1. They gave Gavin Ashenden the last word, which was nice. I liked the piece about the Duke of York now looking after the two corgis but yes, the trendy waffle of the “grief counsellor” was surplus to requirement.

      1. I’m surprised the coverage wasn’t followed by the usual ‘For those affected by …’ message and phone number of the Samaritans.

      1. It is, and she used the BCP, and although all the Christian religions were included, others weren’t.
        I am dreading a multikulti jamboree at the coronation.

        1. I shall specify the use of the BCP for my funeral. We had the modern Lord’s Prayer at the Vigil – I ignored it and used the old version. After all, the introduction was “as our Saviour taught us, we are bold to say …” and it wouldn’t have been using the second person plural.

        2. I noticed at the end of the service the archbishop (?) at St George’s chapel referred to the ‘Defender of the Faith’ and the passing of that on to King Charles. I felt it was said with meaning, and I hope Charles took note.

          2. #Nor Me, Connors.

            I fear for the future, hopefully I shan’t be around to see it. I fear for my children, Grandchildren et al.

          3. Charles said the same at the Privy Council last week. It is presumably the formal historical wording but he is now the head of the Church of England so, as you say, hopefully he will live up to it.

    3. It did, the return of the symbolism of the State, the slow lowering of the coffin – and then she was gone. The realisation of it all, of everything.

      1. It’s the same for us all.
        The lowering of the coffin, or it rolling into the furnace. People are people, we all feel the same.
        Most of us don’t have regal insignia and regalia to display, but apart from that…

        1. It is. Not one of us can escape it. And to experience is, amongst other of life’s experiences, what makes us human.

      2. It was a ruthless de-coronation. Necessary, but dreadful when one doesn’t have faith in the successor.

        1. That was it, yes, the ruthlessness of the process – it shocked me – the State saying ‘This is the end of an era. It is over. God save the King!’ Today made me realise the truly immense power of the State, and how it could stop, in the blink of an eye, the illegals washing up on our shores. Because it doesn’t do that, it so obviously wants them here for its own purpose.

  81. What happens to HM’s racing colours now? Do they belong to the royal stables, or were they hers personally?

        1. Yes, but only because his mother had the royal colours. His are similar. There is nothing to stop him taking on HM’s colours. HM Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mum’s colours were blue and buff stripes with a black velvet cap, gold tassel. HM got her own colours in 1947 when she shared horses with her mother.

  84. You can see why it is called “The Long Walk”.

    That must have been hell on legs at the slow march…..

    A demain.

  85. Beetles – All you Need is Love
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6168f3d74fd8858d2f5c162dfd8910c09066852d73c07194fb4e7c46be3dc714.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/432a8ecca1b8ac37aa77ea5ef107e591e5fb13fd97ad2058f6ceb2f6b9684294.jpg

    After digging out five large Lavender bushes, chopping them up and filling up a couple of green wheelie-bins I had some supper and then returned to put the bins away.

    I caught these two gorgeous Rosemary beetles in flagrante on the lid, photographed them and nipped off to find a ruler. In the second photo those graduations are millimetres, so the lovers are just 7 mm long.

    I’ve just checked: Beetles are by far the largest order of insects: the roughly 400,000 species make up about 40% of all the million insect species so far described, and about 25% of all animals.

  86. After such a grief-stricken day, not to mention my own, I will say, Goodnight Gentlefolk anf God bless. I’m tired out and need sleep.

    3. Try not to dwell on what’s lost. Make a positive plan for the future. You never know what’s round the corner. I speak from experience.

    4. I was bad last week. A weekend of nowt much but youtube, sleep and an occasional beer has been really restorative. It was the “doing nothing” that set me back up.

      1. I agree that they had every right to be there, and if they had not been, it would have been an ultimate wrong.
        They didn’t have the right to be scowling constantly (that might be cruel TV camera work) nor to be complaining about snubs.

        My respect for Harry would have been restored had he maintained his dignity.
        1 I accept that the cameras may have caught the “wrong” glances and looks
        2 I accept he was under enormous pressure from both sides
        3 I accept that Megan has not had 30+ years of training for such roles.

        BUT I do not accept that they handled the event as well as they could have, with relatively little change.
        I shudder to think what the gruesome twosome will be publishing over the next three months.

          1. Normally, now, I tend toward animosity toward Harry, but the removal of the epaulette “EIIR” was vindictive, if it wasn’t an accident.

          2. There does seem to be quite a lot of spite going the rounds. I can’t entirely blame The King or William, or whoever is behind it. Harry and his wife certainly seemed to set out to launch an attack on the Royal Family- maybe because they didn’t get what they wanted?

          3. Whatever else may be going on in the background, this wasn’t the time to bring it into the foreground.

          6. There were lots of things he wasn’t strictly entitled to that were allowed, to remove such a detail smacked of pettiness.

          7. I saw it as half way compromise – he wasn’t actually entitled to wear his uniform, but he was allowed to. The ER part of the epaulet was part of a position he had been granted in October 2018 (he doesn’t wear one at his wedding, and there was no problem then). That position was given up by Harry, and the consequent entitlement to ER on his epaulet, in 2021. There was nothing petty – any more than there is in denying HRH to his (?) children. Or in taking away his patronages of very British institutions.

          8. By and large I agree, but it’s the tiny things, such as this one, that not one in million people would have recognised yet he would.
            Someone was being deliberately unpleasant.

        2. If they had been excluded from the funeral rites then their poison would have known no bounds. As it is, their future as family members is in their own hands.

        3. It was wonderful that the camera view of MM was almost totally obscured by a candle. 10/10 to whoever arranged that.

      2. I disagree. They have already shafted ‘the family’ in pursuit Meghan’s long term strategic plan to establish her multi-billion brand to fund her political crap, somewhat like the appalling Oprah (she’s a ghastly phenomenon I simply didn’t comprehend despite living in USA for 27 years). Don’t be suckered in by her tears. The RF are slowly waking up to just what Meagain’s game is: NoTTLers are years ahead of them.

        1. Harry has never grown up – his emotional development stopped when he was 12, with the death of his mother. Meghan homed in on him and has used him for her own advancement.

  88. The horses at the head of the procession as they approached Windsor castle were misbehaving probably because of the slow pace,
    they turned right at the top but a few minutes later one emerged from the left under control. I wonder if it left the group during the melee..

    1. It did – we were watching them! We wondered what was spooking them – the police horses seemed OK.

    1. It’s not that we shouldn’t mourn HM, it’s that the government shouldn’t have used this week to sneak out excess death figures and avoid any sort of rowing back or apology.

      1. Govt sneaked out excess death figures this week, and also covid death figures (mostly triple jabbed).

        2. Distant relatives of MOH , retired but fit, had their third booster jab.

          Very soon after, he developed serious heart problems, and she ended up in a wheelchair.

          Coincidence?

          We wonder?

      2. Government uses the death of Queen Elizabeth and extended ceremonies as an interval by which they can ‘bury bad news’.

        Principally the excess deaths of ‘vaccinated’ children and the increasing numbers of those suffering adverse reactions to the jabs. In addition the conclusions of many actual scientists that the jabs have harmed the immune systems of the recipients (this is the reason why the vaccinated are prone to re infection by Covid, the very virus the jabs were supposedly designed to resist).

  90. It won’t happen, but I truly hope that as all the politicians fly off to their UN General Assembly on Wednesday, that they stop and think about what they have just witnessed and say to themselves:

    ” What would the Queen have done?”

    The world would be a far better place if they followed her example.

  91. HG has just asked me what I want to be done with my ashes.
    I said I don’t care, it will be up to her.

    I told her that if she goes first I will gradually eat hers, so that when I go, we go as one.

    She isn’t amused!

      1. That’s poignant.

        On a flippant/irreverent note, so take it with the “humour” intended:
        Instruct your heirs to:

        1 Offer a few to the gardens of your friends.
        2 Be sure that some are scattered in each of your enemies’ gardens, be sure to smear their windows, be sure to hide some where they will be least expected, and finally be sure to smile and pray for forgiveness as you do so!

      2. As a one time rock climber I’ve asked that my ashes be scattered down a very friction dependant gritstone slab climb – that should get me noticed!

      3. As a one time rock climber I’ve asked that my ashes be scattered down a very friction dependant gritstone slab climb – that should get me noticed!

    2. Too gritty.
      I recall a MFH who, after his demise, requested that his body be chopped up and fed to the hounds; the executors were in a bit of a quandary, but they compromised and mixed the ashes into the hounds’ food.

  92. May I say a word about the dear old Duke of Gloucester. He has walked behind the coffin at every occasion even though I believe he is at least 80.
    I like the Gloucesters; they are non pretentious and get on with things. They do the royal stuff as asked and live quiet lives.
    Bless you Your Royal Highness , you did your country and yourself proud this last few days.
    Edit: Got his form of address wrong.

    1. And, the Duke of Gloucester had proper job as well, according to the commentary today he was an architect of some renown.

    2. A thousand times AYE’, Lottie. He has always been an absolute rock to the RF, getting on with his architects profession that largely funded his way of life but showing up for ‘Royal Occasions’ if needed (Good choice of university), shaking obnoxious camel-jockeys’ hands from the Gulf. He must be approaching 80. I don’t think we have ever heard a complaint but he was clearly in pain when following Her Maj.

      Huzzah!!

  93. May I say a word about the dear old Duke of Gloucester. He has walked behind the coffin at every occasion even though I believe he is at least 80.
    I like the Gloucesters; they are non pretentious and get on with things. They do the royal stuff as asked and live quiet lives.
    Bless you Your Royal Highness , you did your country and yourself proud this last few days.
    Edit: Got his form of address wrong.

    3. Wow. That’s his reputation gone in a flash, never to be re-gained. Fool. I don’t care what the occasion was, I don’t care if your wife was calling to tell you she had just had triplets, you’re at a state funeral you damn well pay attention.

    3. It could be stopped very quickly if there was the will. But, there isn’t. Blair’s policy of rubbing our noses in diversity continues apace. Its very depressing but will not be forgotten.

    4. It could be stopped very quickly if there was the will. But, there isn’t. Blair’s policy of rubbing our noses in diversity continues apace. Its very depressing but will not be forgotten.

    5. I would be extremely wary of this clip.
      Unless the creature has been snared by predator hunters I think it looks too contrived.

  97. Well, after the rain stopped I did another dozen bags of sand between 14 & 24 kilo per bag, so somewhere near 300kg shifted with 18 bags.
    I’ll probably do another dozen or so bags tomorrow.

    1. Have you told DT what your intentions are? I and other NoTTLers stand ready to ride to rescue at a moment’s notice.

    1. And when the time comes, think of the illegal seizure of assets belonging to private individuals, just because they happen to be Russian citizens.

    1. The whole HoC staff is rotten to the core like much of the Whitehall civil service, as far as I can see. Fed up with parasites like this sucking on the public teat.

      1. In his career, he’s probably in the majority. People like that will cruise merrily onwards, dismantling everything worthwhile in our country while sneering at the rest of us.

  105. A day to remember. Our wonderful Queen laid to rest along side Phillip.

    Later this afternoon I made some repairs to my home constructed zyder press. The old carjack had to be replaced. the bearings were getting very screechy. And hard work to operate. A few minor repairs also.
    And now I’m ready for the massive bag, half a cubic metre of apples my good old neighbour Dave brought across in his wheelbarrow.
    I can’t do anything thing until Thursday we have two more family birthdays. One tomorrow with dinner at a local restaurant/pub. Our eldest, an Australian aged 43. And his lovely mum ❤ on Wednesday.

    Can you imagine the situation in the hospital the Flinders medical centre 43 years ago. And yes his name is Mathew. It seemed apt.
    I’m so proud of my family. They are such a comfort to us.

  106. Evening all. What an emotional day. Many tissues used here. Wonderful ceremony and tribute to our late Queen, she will be sadly missed. I hope Charles will surprise us in a good, unwoke way.

    Daily Quordle 238

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    Wordle 457 5/6
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    Good night all. Sleep well all. A fitting farewell to a a marvellous woman devoted to duty. We were lucky to have had her.

    1. Par Four for me; Yes indeed CV, too many possible consonants!
      Wordle 457 4/6

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    1. Haven’t they got electricity bills to pay? Oh sorry I forgot, they will be crying for subsidies from taxpayers to do that.

  108. This creature was always on US TV and I thoroughly dislike the person. “Lady Colin Campbell.” As far as I know she was married, briefly, to a knight but hung on to the title. This person claims to be an expert but if so, then I am a rocket scientist. Campbell has written scurrilous books about the Royal Family and yet now she’s a huge fan. Oops, a “she” slipped in. I can’t make the person out and nor will I waste time trying.

    1. ‘She’s’ a vastly confused hermaphrodite whom, bless her, has always been in need of every possible ‘help’ needed. She claims to have had conversations with people she has never formally met and fabricates fictional friendships. GBNews are criminal in the amount of exposure they give her. Pity her rather than condemn her

        1. Am I to now believe that you was brung up as a boyu? That would explain a lot and I must tell your hubband soonest!

          1. Poor sentence construction….a long day filled with emotion and I cooked a roast chicken dinner with homemade stuffing, roasties, mash, steamed spring greens and carrots. And the sage in the stuffing was home grown too.
            So am rather tired.

          2. Well done you. I’m sure that adoring husband appreciated and applauded your every move in the kitchen. Sounds delicious.

            Time to go to bed.

          4. We took the easy way out and bought a ready made meal from Sainsburys a Thai curry. And it was surprisingly good too. £7.25 for jasmine rice, Thai green and Thai red chicken curry (plus some polystyrene prawn crackers). It really was very nice. We ended up watching from about 10.30 to 17.30. With about 20 minutes hearing the food. Didn’t expect to watch for so long but it felt really compelling. Your roast dinner sounds delish, hope you enjoyed it.

          5. We had a quick chicken stir-fry with mushrooms, peppers, rice and salad. And a glass of red for me & white for him, and we drank a toast to Her Maj.

    2. ‘She’s’ a vastly confused hermaphrodite whom, bless her, has always been in need of every possible ‘help’ needed. She claims to have had conversations with people she has never formally met and fabricates fictional friendships. GBNews are criminal in the amount of exposure they give her. Pity her rather than condemn her

    1. My God you’re tiresome , ogga1.

      You piss off everyone on this blog with you imbecilic non-observations and eradicate whatever message value you think you might have to deliver.

      3. That’s why I’ve blocked him. I urge everyone to do the same. He’ll just disappear in a cloud of his own detritus.

    2. The figures quoted in the article are way out of date.

      Admittedly our country was being overrun by illegal immigrants years ago but the intention of our governments to swamp us with this detritus is now fully accomplished and yet ongoing.

      God help us all.

      1. 356279+ up ticks,

        Morning C,
        He also helps those that help themselves via the polling booth , currently we are doing the complete reverse and have been doing so these past three decades.

  113. It can be so unreliable, but for the last 11 days or so the weather in London and the South East (and most of the rest of the country has done us proud … and for that I am very thankful. I believe the million or so who queued for the Lying-in-State have a great memory for the rest of their lives and they represent feelings probably shared by a decisive majority of (certainly) Brexit voters.

    The whole process, and especially the complexities of the Funeral Day, were beautifully/meticulously done. Plannning and rehearsals pay off.

    PS Lone pipers in Abbeys and Chapel don’t half pull on the heartstrings.

  114. I am off to bed- a long and emotional day. May our Late Queen rest in peace.
    And let us wish The King every good wish and may he have a long and peaceful reign.

    1. Yes, the services were beautiful (even Baroness Scotland’s awful reading was eclipsed by the rest of it all). I have read speculation that the cameras were strategically placed so that MM was almost completely obscured by one of the candles…

    1. Someone suggested on Twit that he had taken “Columbian marching powder”. That may be slandering him, but whatever the cause, he does not give the impression of someone who can be trusted with the nation’s finances.

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