Sunday 6 November:Taxpayers are on the hook for government failure to tackle illegal Channel crossings

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523 thoughts on “Sunday 6 November:Taxpayers are on the hook for government failure to tackle illegal Channel crossings

  1. ‘Morning, Peeps.  Another very wet day in prospect.  At least the small soakaway I dug on Friday to reduce the chance of further water entering the garage seems to have worked.  The monsoon season has certainly tested it well!

    Today’s leading letter.  The suggestion is fine in principle, but it still leaves open the difficulty with returning illegal immigrants – thanks to the courts and the ECHR:

    SIR – The situation in the Channel is a crisis of successive Conservative governments’ making.

    Four years ago, when the first boats started arriving on our shores, the response should have been swift and sharp. A processing centre should have been set up on the French side of the Channel. Any migrants that then attempted to cross would have known that they would be returned to the processing centre. They would then have had no right to stay and the people smugglers nowhere to turn. This should still be considered.

    After the devastation caused by the lockdowns some hotel owners in this country have capitalised by agreeing to long-term contracts with the Home Office, which has played fast and loose with taxpayer money in order to house migrants. Hotel owners will never again have the opportunity to have 100 per cent occupancy guaranteed and paid for, so who can blame them?

    Apart from Suella Braverman, the Home Secretary, the Government has not grasped the severity of what is happening.

    Martin Baker
    Tadworth, Surrey

    1. …the Government has not grasped attempted to grasp the severity of what is happening.

      1. Nahh. The state is forcing the illegals on us. It doesn’t care. This is pure, unreasoned spite.

        If it means leaving the ECHR, that is what we must do, but no doubt the blob will fight that tooth and nail for many years. It is their frantic toe hold to getting into the EU. Hundreds of lawyers rely upon it.

    2. Some councils have thwarted HMG’s plans to swamp the country with illegals, through the taxpayer-funded Serco hotel takeover, by refusing to allow them planning permission to change their status from hotel to hostel.

      The best way to beat the micromanaging morons in Westminster and the Assemblies is to use their own silly rules against them.

      1. 367295+ up ticks,

        Morning Ftc,
        Best way really is to stand on the ballot booth oxygen tube in regards to the lab/lib/con/ukip
        coalition.

    3. Don’t process them, just return them. If the very first boat had been towed back to france and destroyed, this would never have started.

      We’ve no duty to them. There’s lots of hectoring about ‘ooman rights’ but those apply even more heavily to france and they did nothing. Every nation has just passed the problem on. We should do the same – backward. We have a border. It must be defended. No border, no nation.

      We should still take genuine refugees but only for a limited time. Aslum seekers must apply from the first safe country with multiple reasons for entry, the first of which must be useful skills.

  2. Putin knows that undersea cables are the west’s Achilles heel. 6 November 2022.

    Initially Russian forces targeted energy supply, deploying drones and missiles against the Ukrainian power grid and turning off Nordstream’s gas supply to Europe. When these measures were not immediately effective, the Kremlin upped the ante. Three unexplained explosions ripped apart Nordstream I’s undersea pipeline off the coast of Denmark, and less than a month later, the Shetlands cable incidents occurred. It is almost certain that Russia blew the pipeline, but breaches of undersea cabling are much harder to attribute as they can be damaged accidentally by trawlers or earthquakes. Indeed this ambiguity helps Putin: he has reminded the west that he has the capacity to cut pipes and cables should he choose, while challenging them to prove that Moscow was responsible.

    One can see that when you are commissioned to write propaganda that there is a limited supply of subjects, but one should I think try to stay within the boundaries of what is already known. The Russians have only recently targeted the Ukraine Power Grid; in fact the last two weeks. That Putin should blow up his own pipeline (a month previous to this), an extraordinarily valuable piece of infrastructure to spite the West when just turning it off, (which he had already done) would suffice, seems to me to be stretching the reader’s credulity beyond the bounds of Common Sense. That he should then say (he hasn’t of course said anything) “Yah Booh prove it was me if you can”, seems to be entering the explanations of the deranged.

    The article also illustrates a wider truth and that is the contempt the Elites have for the people. They think that they can tell you anything and it will be believed.

    https://www.ft.com/content/0ddc5b48-b255-401b-8e9f-8660f4eab37b

    1. Unfortunately, Minty, they can tell the sheeple – copywrite Winston Churchill – anything and they will believe it. (Good morning, btw.)

    2. It’s the FT. A pro EU practically communist newspaper that has no credibility, much like the economist it is so desperate pushing a narrative that it enforces cognitive dissonance solely to push it’s world view. Reality doesn’t get a look in.

  3. Putin knows that undersea cables are the west’s Achilles heel. 6 November 2022.

    Initially Russian forces targeted energy supply, deploying drones and missiles against the Ukrainian power grid and turning off Nordstream’s gas supply to Europe. When these measures were not immediately effective, the Kremlin upped the ante. Three unexplained explosions ripped apart Nordstream I’s undersea pipeline off the coast of Denmark, and less than a month later, the Shetlands cable incidents occurred. It is almost certain that Russia blew the pipeline, but breaches of undersea cabling are much harder to attribute as they can be damaged accidentally by trawlers or earthquakes. Indeed this ambiguity helps Putin: he has reminded the west that he has the capacity to cut pipes and cables should he choose, while challenging them to prove that Moscow was responsible.

    One can see that when you are commissioned to write propaganda that there is a limited supply of subjects, but one should I think try to stay within the boundaries of what is already known. The Russians have only recently targeted the Ukraine Power Grid; in fact the last two weeks. That Putin should blow up his own pipeline (a month previous to this), an extraordinarily valuable piece of infrastructure to spite the West when just turning it off, (which he had already done) would suffice, seems to me to be stretching the reader’s credulity beyond the bounds of Common Sense. That he should then say (he hasn’t of course said anything) “Yah Booh prove it was me if you can”, seems to be entering the explanations of the deranged.

    The article also illustrates a wider truth and that is the contempt the Elites have for the people. They think that they can tell you anything and it will be believed.

    https://www.ft.com/content/0ddc5b48-b255-401b-8e9f-8660f4eab37b

  4. SIR – For years I have watched in growing disbelief as the Conservative Party has become less and less conservative and failed in its fundamental duty of ensuring such basics as energy security.

    Rishi Sunak’s capitulation to the woke green lobby – his U-turn on attending the Cop27 climate summit – has tipped the balance. I have cancelled my membership of the party and joined Reform UK.

    Charles Duncan
    Truro, Cornwall

    Yes, I think we are witnessing the steady decline of the Conservative Party, and possibly even its destruction.  Perhaps a spell in Opposition may help to concentrate minds, but the resulting damage by the socialists will be an even worse price to pay.  And just to help the process along we now have that useless former fireplace salesman bullying the former Chief Whip with his foul-mouthed and threatening texts over (of all things) ticket allocation for seating at the Queen’s funeral.  What on earth Sunak was doing in appointing this cretin to the Cabinet Office God-only knows.

    1. Hugh J, I am paying a lot of attention to what is going on in the USA; over there, there exists two parties that are looking to be polar opposites with much activism growing in the MAGA/Republican group.
      Here, on the other hand, we have two parties, at least in the top echelons, that both embrace the same anti-UK, anti-people, globalist policies. These two groups, aided and abetted by, in the main, totally disinterested and supine MPs, are as alike as the two proverbial peas. People such as Gates are welcomed by members/leaders of both parties.
      For the life of me I cannot see what difference it will make whether it’s the Tories, led by an oleaginous ex-banker/hedge fund owner appointee, or the Labour Party, led by an equally unattractive slimy lawyer, that finally turns the lights out, both literally and metaphorically, in the UK.

      1. ‘Morning, Korky. I agree. ‘None of the above’ on the ballot paper has never been more necessary!

    2. “…Yes, I think we are witnessing the steady decline of the Conservative Party, ”

      Decline is not enough – bring on the Fall!

  5. Morning, all. Another ugly start to the day, weather-wise.

    The moron in the White House has announced the total shut down of ALL coal fired power stations in the USA and their replacement with wind and solar. This just days before the mid-term elections. On the face of it at this moment in the electoral cycle Biden’s announcement appears to be political suicide. What are his handlers up to?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0a3baf4ef32606b31c0ef9682477a87c5820832cdd2742ba472bde2342eb4187.png

      1. Hugh J, Biden doesn’t know which millennium he’s in: his latest gaffe is to mention events in 3035. He is beyond understanding anything.

  6. 367295+ up ticks,

    Morning Each,

    Hold the English no coloured pudding, no sausages, no bacon,no eggs,
    milkless tea.
    Enjoy,

    The question being,

    Would you save a meat eater if a situation called for it

  7. SIR – The NHS says it needs £7 billion (report, November 2).

    What is this for? Has a breakdown of how this amount of taxpayer money would be spent been submitted to the Health Secretary, or anyone else? Until a system is in place to examine the legitimacy of such “demands” no money should be allocated.

    In the meantime, Amanda Pritchard, the head of NHS England, should undertake and publish a major cost-saving exercise to ensure that front-line staff are not disadvantaged by the costs of excessive layers of management.

    John Griffith
    Tiverton, Devon

    I think it most unlikely, Mr Griffith, that the Chief Turkey of NHS England is going to vote for Christmas on behalf of all the other Management Turkeys in the organisation!

    Surely what is required is a thorough and detailed review, the decisions of which must be implemented by the government.  It remains to be seen which comes first – the review or the total collapse of the system of healthcare in this country.  Or even a change of government, as time to organise and implement such a review is now very short. I fear, however, that this tanker is not for turning, even though the rocks are in sight.

    1. £700,000 of it is needed to pay for more diversity managers in addition to the 812 already employed. What do these parasites do all day which enhances the front line care?

  8. If this isn’t the end of civilisation, what is? 6 November 2022.

    You are not watching just another kerfuffle that can be solved by another politician, another party or another policy. You are watching the collapse of Western civilisation in real time: a monumental spiritual breakdown followed by an equally monumental material, political, social and civilisational breakdown. The choice is as simple as it is stark: we can continue to pin our hopes on someone to arise from the rottenness to save us and watch it get ever worse; or we can repent.

    Amen to that Brother.

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/if-this-isnt-the-end-of-civilisation-what-is/

  9. SIR – I was shocked to read of people finding out that they are in significant credit with Shell Energy, while at the same time learning their monthly payment was to be considerably increased (Letters, October 30).

    Then I myself had a communication from Shell stating that I was £1,558 in credit, and yet my monthly payment would increase to £400. It was my turn to be more than shocked.

    I might add that I religiously send in my gas and electric meter readings when asked to do so – in fact I had only last week sent in the latest. I wonder just how much of its customers’ money Shell Energy is gleefully sitting on.

    J Eric Nolan
    Blackburn, Lancashire

    Another ‘victim’ of Shell’s greed for interest-free loans provided by its customers!  And the silence from Ofgem and the Department of Energy and Climate Change over this racket is deafening.  And all the while Ofgem, paid for mostly by consumers, boasts of its independence.  Try not to laugh (or cry).

    1. Mr Nolan- read Condition 27.

      Condition 27 of energy suppliers’ licences is that they must take reasonable steps to ensure direct debit levels are fair, and to explain the level

      they’re set at. So call up and ask – there may be a justifiable reason.

      If not, the rules state that if credit has accumulated and a customer asks for it back, suppliers must refund it – or clearly explain why not.

      1. You are quite right, Janet. Problem is – the wide boys like Shell rely on customer inertia, and all the while they can get away with unreasonable increases they will do so.

        1. I agree Hugh J, but unfortunately a lot of wide boys rely on customer inertia, and the Government can’t protect them all.

          1. Practically all the independent competition has been wiped out, leaving just the cartel to set their terms and conditions. There is no way out, and the advice from Uswitch is to stay put regardless.

      2. All they need do is to put up the standing charge to swallow up any credit built up. If bills are calculated according to individual usage and how this can be made profitable enough to pay corporate bonuses at the market rate, then the necessary adjustments are easily made.

    2. They do it because they can. If they could get away with doubling the standing charge overnight, removing the connection between consumption and payment, they would.

      Some favoured folk do indeed have the right to extort what they can from those whose only “crime” is to be alive. They call it Fair Trade, and have probably made it legal.

      1. Mothers standing charge doubled a year or so ago. Capped charges on consumption, gotta get more money from somewhere…

      2. They practically did. All to pay for unreliables, of course. No one mentions that. Our grid was fine, didn’t need fiddling with until the unreliable, inefficient, useless windmills were imposed, now the grid needs a massive upgrade – paid for, of course, by tax payers. Never by the communist green industry.

        It is disgusting. Privatised profits, socialised costs. The legislation is enacted by those making the money from it. Government is utterly corrupt.

        1. The energy market is completely broken in this country. Wholesale prices are well below their peak, and energy companies are making record profits. I think it can only be corruption, rather than the usual 5-star incompetence, that is preventing politicians from joining up some very obvious dots.

    3. Ofgem exists as an industry energy stooge. It’s there to enact the government line regardless. It is NOT a regulator in any sense of the word. It has no interest whatsoever in the public will.

  10. One for Grizz:

    SIR – Rishi Sunak is to tackle “woke” policing (report, October 30). This will prove to be no easy task, as the police force is broken and only a fundamental overhaul will allow a return to pre-Blair crime fighting.

    I joined the Metropolitan Police in 1991 and was one of a large number of ex-Servicemen and women to undertake the exhaustive and superbly run 20-week residential training course at Hendon. Recruitment was stringent and allowed only the best candidates on to the course, which many failed to complete.

    A two-year probationary period with monthly attendances at continuation training had to be negotiated, and only then was an officer allowed to carry out the “office of constable”.

    Tony Blair and the then Met commissioner Iain Blair presided over catastrophic changes to the Met, which included the introduction of police community support officers, which in turn fomented the politicisation of the police and a distinct move to the Left, leading to the wholesale removal of a uniformed presence on the streets and the disgraceful disappearance of police stations.

    The tenets set out by Sir Robert Peel have been dismissed by the upper echelons in favour of Orwellian dictats and sexual politics, designed to make the police appear to be everyone’s friend. Currently the Met is not a force or even a service, but an embarrassing and rudderless ship.

    I wish Mr Sunak the best of luck in turning the vessel around and bringing back a police force that is ready to fight crime without fear or favour.

    Simon Crowley
    Kemsing, Kent

    Mr Crowley, you know and I know that this undertaking by Sunak was no more than the continuation of ‘government by soundbite’ and therefore the anti-wokery drive you and the rest of us crave is just an illusion, and nothing more.

    1. ‘Morning Hugh, and thanks.

      I had just read it in the newspaper, as well as the one following it:

      SIR – You comment on the need for police forces “to do what the public wants and prioritise basic law and order” (Leading Article, October 29). Regrettably, it is not as simple as that.

      The pressures of Article 2 of the Human Rights Act, which underpins the state’s obligation to protect life, will always place the service of first resort at the vanguard of that duty. Theresa May exemplified the lack of understanding of what the police actually do with her diktat that the job of the service was “nothing more, and nothing less, than to cut crime”.

      Nothing could be further from reality. Compounded by the inadequate resourcing of myriad other services, we today see the police as first responders to mental health crises, catastrophic wounding, heart attacks, social care matters and a whole host of other needs far removed from “what the public wants”.

      For things to change, there needs to be meaningful dialogue at the highest strategic level to set out properly what the service is expected to do, but also to look at how properly to fund and resource the gaps in other services it is currently plugging. Maybe then police forces will be able to prioritise what the public expects of them.

      Derek Flint
      Lecturer in policing
      Lytham, Lancashire

      It seems, from reading both published letters, that no one mentioned in them, ergo none of: Tony Blair, Iain Blair, Theresa May, nor the letter writers themselves (Simon Crowley and Derek Flint) seem to be aware of the fundamentals of British policing introduced by Sir Robert Peel way back in 1829. Shame on them, and the system, for not doing so.

      Since that time the remit of a police constable has been learnt parrot-fashion:

      1. The protection of life and property.
      2. The preservation of order.
      3. The prosecution of offenders against the peace.

      Woe betide any officer not being able to quote that remit, verbatim, whenever asked. Derek Flint, in particular, doesn’t seem to be aware of that.

      Moreover, Crowley’s belief that Sir Robert Peel’s tenet has been turned over in order to be “designed to make the police appear to be everyone’s friend”, also shows that he is also unaware of traditional principles which held good for so long. As shown in this mantra:

      A constable is a citizen, locally-appointed, who derives his authority under the Crown.

      A police constable has always been a member of the public he serves; chosen from that public and trained to serve it. It was politicians, as both letter writers rightly say, that removed that ‘facility’ and, by doing so, alienated the police from the very pubic it was selected to serve.

    2. There was a time when I respected the police.

      Used to help out at St John’s Ambulance. The station would regularly be burgled, all the equipment and drugs stolen. Plod knew who did it and did nothing about it. Apparently asking some chav scum where he got a ventilator emblazoned with ‘St John’s Ambulance’ was too difficult.

      Of course, when I went through a red light by accident they arrived very promptly and put a lot of effort into fining. (I drive through red lights a lot now, but I live near Southampton, where if you don’t you never move).

      Then we have the harrassment over lockdown but not enough to stop the black riots – which were, of course, mostly peaceful – if you ignore the property destruction, fires, looting, assaults, stabbings….

      So no. Sorry. No respect at all.

    3. “I’m not going to COP 27. So there!” Frowns, stamps feet, folds arms.
      Ummmm ……..

      1. Truss never had enough time to prove what a disaster she might have been. I fear that Sunak and the odiously repulsive Hunt will be given more than enough time to show that they will prove to be far worse than Truss and Kwarteng would have been.

        1. Sadly I fear you are right; quite how a Conservative government can increase taxes even more is beyond me, but then again, this is a CINO government!

      1. It was bonfire night yesterday. Surely there is still enough heat in one of them to dry out two cats?

      2. Well, Gus did sit by it – Pickles dried himself on my armchair. Gus is now – by choice, out in the porch- when hecould be in front of the AGA or the stove. Funny things, cats…!

  11. Good morning all. A dull but dry start with 4°C outside and rather misty up the valley sides.

    A fair comment on Climate Change:-

    Polar bears used to be the poster child of climate change. But their numbers have been increasing: from 5-10k #polarbears in the 1960s, up to around 26k today. We don’t hear this news. Instead, campaigners just quietly stopped using them in their activism.

    https://twitter.com/BjornLomborg/status/1588876323640037376

          1. Bob3: Penguins are not confectionery, they are chocolate-covered biscuits. P-p-p-p pick one up and taste it. Lol.

        1. I like penguins. A bird that can’t fly, has wings but uses them to swim. Great parents, managing the extreme cold of their environment socially, but never allowing individuals too much comfort at the expense of others.

          They also mate for life and comfort one another when a partner dies.

        1. Did you know that no evidence has been uncovered which shows that polar bears ever lived in the antarctic region. Certainly none ever evolved there. By that rationale they could not have become locally extinct!

          They only evolved, quite recently (in geological time), in the arctic region and it seems that not one single member of that species ever thought it a good idea to migrate, across the temperate and tropical zones, in the hope of finding further permafrost elsewhere.

        2. Did you know that no evidence has been uncovered which shows that polar bears ever lived in the antarctic region. Certainly none ever evolved there. By that rationale they could not have become locally extinct!

          They only evolved, quite recently (in geological time), in the arctic region and it seems that not one single member of that species ever thought it a good idea to migrate, across the temperate and tropical zones, in the hope of finding further permafrost elsewhere.

    1. Who could fail to be moved by the film of that poor mother bear swimming for miles and miles in the search for an ice floe big enough for a seal to sit on?

      The cartoonists of my childhood Hanna-Barbera created a character that was smarter than the average bear. Why swim around the Arctic Ocean looking for seals when there is sustenance in the pickernick baskets of visiting tourists?

    2. Perhaps we have been under a terrible misapprehension. Polar bears may HATE the cold and are praying for warm seas….

    3. Ssshhhhhh! Blinkin’ heck! What do you think you’re doing?! You’ll expose the whole far for the tax scam it is!

      Same as the windmills are useful, same as green is cheap, same as green creates jobs, same as every bloody lie these fools tell.

    4. Matt Ridley had a really good piece in the business section of today’s paper on this whole scam.

  12. Trans criminals can use ‘loophole’ to hide previous convictions when applying for jobs
    Report by Keep Prisons Single Sex warns the system could be ‘abused’ by those wanting to gain access to children and vulnerable young people

    By
    Hayley Dixon,
    SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
    5 November 2022 • 9:00pm

    Criminals who claim they are transgender are able to use a “loophole” to hide their previous convictions and avoid scrutiny when applying to work with children, The Telegraph can reveal.

    Men who self-identify as women and vice-versa are able to withhold their real names and sex at birth when applying for jobs including in schools, nurseries and hospitals.

    Criminal record checks are only carried out on previous identities if the individual personally notifies officials of their past, a report by Keep Prisons Single Sex has found.

    It means criminals willing to lie about whether they have changed their names can avoid their convictions being discovered.

    But special processes set up for people who are transgender mean that even if an employer suspects that someone has changed gender, they cannot check if that person has disclosed their previous identities to the Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS), because of privacy restrictions.

    The report warns that the system could be “abused” by “nefarious criminals” wanting to hide convictions to gain access to children and vulnerable young people.

    One of the report’s authors, who is responsible for safeguarding as part of her employment, said it creates a “massive loophole” that allows people to “burn their previous identities”.

    The author told The Telegraph it created “a secret process for people which cannot be verified”. By putting the onus on the individual, it “destroyed confidence in the system”, she said.

    Soham murderer Ian Huntley was able to get employment in a school by changing his name by deed poll and hiding his real identity from a criminal record check before killing 10-year-olds Jessica Chapman and Holly Wells in 2003.

    Ministers are currently reviewing an existing loophole in the legislation which relies on sex offenders notifying them when they change their names by deed poll but have so far refused to consider issues created by a gender change.

    The report warns that the change of both name and gender, which can be done on the basis of self-identification, allows an extra layer of privacy which means an employer will never be told or be able to verify that previous identities have been checked.

    Allowing birth sex to be removed also presents a “particular risk including where protections for women and children are concerned” and may prevent employers from providing single-sex care.

    On Saturday night, Miriam Cates, Tory MP for Penistone and Stocksbridge and a former teacher, warned: “The purpose of criminal records checks is both to protect the public and to deter those who mean harm from trying to gain access to children and vulnerable people.

    “If predators can evade scrutiny by changing their name or claiming to be the opposite sex, we can be sure that this DBS loophole will be abused and children will be harmed.”

    The DBS, a part of the Home Office which carries out the checks, set up a “sensitive applications route” for people who are transgender.

    This includes anyone who has self-declared that they have a new name and gender identity and obtained a new passport and driving licence, as well as those who have gone through the legal process of obtaining a Gender Recognition Certificate.

    They are asked to call and tell officials about their previous identities. They are the only group of applicants who are exempt from listing their previous identities on the application form.

    All others, including married women and those who have changed their name by deed poll, have to list their former identities.

    The report warns: “The current DBS system relies on the assumption that these disclosures will be made accurately and fully when there are reasons why they might not be. Omission could be deliberate, including for nefarious reasons.”

    ‘Enhanced privacy rights’
    This “sensitive” service means sex at birth and previous identities will not be disclosed on the certificate. For the rest of the population, all previous known names are listed.

    The process “solely depends upon the applicant’s honest decision to use this route: there is nothing to stop an applicant, who is eligible to use this route, from not using this service and instead choosing simply to withhold their previous name(s),” Keep Prisons Single Sex found.

    “Clearly, any individual acting in bad faith will not be motivated to use a service that could close the very loophole they have chosen to exploit.”

    The DBS says that anyone who fails to disclose previous identities could be prosecuted for fraud. However, the authors warn that this is unlikely to be a sufficient deterrent to those with criminal intent.

    Dr Kate Coleman, Director of KPSS, said that the “enhanced privacy rights” granted to individuals who say that they are transgender means that there is “no guarantee” that the information on a criminal record check is correct.

    The loopholes are “serious risks to safeguarding that compromise the validity and reliability” of the system, she warns.

    The report calls for criminal record checks to be carried out using National Insurance numbers, which never change, and for certificates to display sex at birth and previous names for all applicants.

    A spokesman for the DBS said: “All applicants for DBS checks are required to sign a legal declaration confirming they have disclosed both their current and previous identities. This, therefore, applies to transgender applicants.

    “The Disclosure and Barring Service provides a Sensitive Applications process under the Gender Recognition Act (2004) for transgender applicants. The previous identities (including the birth sex) of transgender individuals are legally protected.

    “Our Sensitive Applications route allows these applicants to provide their full information to DBS whilst not disclosing this information to a prospective employer.

    “Our Sensitive Applications process introduces no additional risk to DBS checks; it merely affords transgender applicants with the legal protections that they are entitled to.”

    The Home Office did not respond to a request for comment.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/05/trans-criminals-can-use-loophole-hide-previous-convictions-when/

    1. Nobody with any self-respect should consider working with children or vulnerable adults. The intrusion into one’s privacy is totally unreasonable and often unjust and preudiced. If there is no criminal foundation whatsoever, hearsay and malice that makes it to a police notebook is sufficient to condemn someone for life, with no right to appeal except to the High Court at vast expense (and whose trained judges tend to side with the authorities on this matter, however unwarranted it is). This is the law.

      Therefore do not expect many people willing to work or volunteer as childcare workers, youth leaders or teachers, and the demand for those willing to submit is bound to put up the price, which must be met by Government borrowing and/or diverting Council Tax to this end.

      As for exemption from the law on the grounds that an applicant has a “protected characteristic” – that is despicable.

        1. During the covid scamdemic, I was a little perplexed* to receive a text from my GP surgery telling me that I was “vulnerable” to infection.

          *Baffled, non-plussed, bewildered also applicable.

      1. I keep my DBS up to date so we can do work in the schools and wally poly we’ve installs in.

        They still think I live in Canterbury. Haven’t for over 15 years. Lie all things government, it is incompetent and pointless.

    2. I’m starting to see a pattern /sarc.

      If you are a paedophile rapist, such as the Pakistani muslims then you get state protection.

      If you pretend to be a woman when you’re clearly a man, you can avoid the protections put in to stop those same paedophiles and rapists getting to vulnerable women.

      If this travesty is called out as utterly inumane, unfair and dangerous, you’re screamed at – by the state and the Left – as an ‘ist/’phobe.

      This sort of insane hypocrisy must end. The pandering to the mentally ill, the criminal, the scum has got to stop and instead of ignoring the problem it must be confronted and common sense imposed and society say no, crushingly, with statists having no choice or say ever again.

  13. 356285+ up ticks,

    Sunday 6 November:Taxpayers are on the hook for government failure to tackle illegal Channel crossings.

    So what’s new ?

    This has been the case since the rodent BOG MAN PM lifted the latch allowing mass uncontrolled immigration, ongoing for decades.

    The eyes shut, party first, electoral majority accepted it ALL these past years when it was not so BLATANTLY obvious but a daily invasion / armada is a tad to much to say, ” I see no ships”

    There was a party that called seemingly forever for needed CONTROLLED IMMIGRATION but that fell foul of treachery in 2019 brought about via
    very dubious “patriots”

    This political overseers invasion campaign is just a new twist to an OLD problem and will be finally accepted via the majority voter once again purely for the sake of a party faux name .

    Current lab/lib/con/ukip coalition are for repress,replace,RESET, your vote counts to bring that successfully about.

    1. Umm.. tax payers pay for everything the state does. Not just criminal gimmigration. We pay for their over spending. We pay for their waste, incompetence, stupidity. We’re forced to pay for the stupid councils on 6 figure salaries to hire people to fine us for using our own property as we wish. We pay for berks to pour bitumen into a hole in the road rather than actually properly repair the pot hole damage.

      I kid you not, there’s a nice, square hole around a drain on a major arterial – one lane of course – can’t have traffic flowing, can we? If you don’t know about it, you’ll lose your wheel in it.

      1. 367295+ up ticks,

        Morning W,
        With governments/ councils so treacherously inept how do they remain in power could it be that the electorate…..

        1. No. It isn’t the voter. The problem is endemic. The UK is not a democracy. The state has far too much money and far too much control. Look at the grooming gangs. the raped and abused girls went to the police and plod did nothing. Robinson was jailed – jailed – for pointing it out.

          That’s not rational government. It’s an agenda to force control.

          1. 367295+ up ticks

            W,
            Alpha & omega

            Alpha being, via the polling booth the instillation of the governing party.

            Omega is the odious end result proven by governing bodies, after governing bodies being returned to power via people power via the polling booth.

            .

          2. But as we’ve seen, the public elect the individual they want. Said individual enacts policies that are good for the country. The blob sets out to destroy her and those policies and installs their own stooge.

            It’s pointless voting. The entire state edifice is a granite cliff that democracy crashes against, but never affects.

            I’ll accept that there are stupid, mindless fools – the berk who thought Biden had created jobs when he’d just hired a bunch more tax inspectors, for example, anyone who thinks green creates jobs for another.

    1. It’s certainly raining here. Took the floofs out very early. I suppose there are advantages to having a thick coat on whereever you go.

    1. Love it. 🤣
      I remember my brother in law making a video of ours. When he backed into a low wall and vanished. He was okay no damage done.

  14. ‘Morning again.  One for military aviation fans…7,000 hours on no fewer than 66 types.  I particularly like the fine description of him at the end of his obituary, provided by a fellow test pilot.  What an impressive aviator…

    AVM Mike Adams, test pilot who flew and did weapons trials on new aircraft including Lightning, Phantom and Jaguar – obituary

    He worked on the Tornado, the Puma helicopter and was heavily involved with the European Fighter Aircraft which became the Typhoon fighter

    ByTelegraph Obituaries2 November 2022 • 6:06pm

    Air Vice-Marshal Mike Adams, who has died aged 88, spent much of his RAF service in a series of test flying appointments before becoming involved in planning for the European Fighter Aircraft and a new generation of precision guided weapons.

    After completing the Empire Test Pilot’s Course in December 1963, he was posted to “A” Squadron at the Aeroplane and Armament Experimental Establishment (A&AEE) at Boscombe Down where he flew test and evaluation flights on RAF fighters. These included numerous weapon trials on the Hunter and flights on the later versions of the supersonic English Electric Lightning.

    At an early stage, Adams became involved in testing the Hawker P 1127 experimental aircraft, the world’s first Vertical and Short Take-Off and Landing aircraft. Analysis of the flights identified the need for considerable modifications and re-design of the wing before the aircraft could enter RAF service as the Harrier. He was awarded a Queen’s Commendation for Valuable Service in the Air following his time at Boscombe Down.

    After three years, he was loaned to Hawker Siddeley, joining the small group of company pilots flying the Kestrel (the name given to the P  1127) from Dunsfold airfield. By the end of 1967 the first production Harrier for the RAF had flown and Adams and his colleagues spent the next few months flying the aircraft on trials with fuel drop tanks, bombs and rocket pods fitted, all of which underwent carriage and jettison clearance throughout the aircraft’s flight envelope.

    In 1969 the Daily Mail organised a Trans-Atlantic Air Race to commemorate the 50th Anniversary of the first Atlantic crossing by John Alcock and Arthur Brown. Adams was selected to fly a Harrier, refuelling in flight en-route, from London to New York.

    Shortly before the race in May, however, Adams was taxiing a Harrier when the nose wheel collapsed. He injured his back and was forced to withdraw; a replacement took his place. For his work in developing the Harrier he was awarded the AFC.

    Michael Keith Adams was born in Woolwich on January 23 1934 and educated at City of London School, where he was a member of the Combined Cadet Force. He joined the RAF in 1952, was commissioned six months later and began training as a pilot.

    His first few years of service were spent flying the Canberra jet bomber, initially from RAF Marham in Norfolk before leaving for Cyprus to join 32 Squadron at Akrotiri in March 1957.

    After two years he returned to England to attend the Central Flying School before embarking on a period training pilots to fly the Jet Provost at RAF Syerston near Newark. In 1961 he moved to become the Commandant’s ADC at the nearby RAF College, Cranwell, where he was able to indulge his love of sport and adventure training. In 1964 he joined No 22 Course at the Empire Test Pilot’s School.

    After his time testing the Harrier, he went to the MoD for the first of three appointments in the operational requirements division before returning to Boscombe Down in November 1972 to command “A” Squadron.

    He flew the Phantom, which had recently entered service in the RAF, and he continued to fly test profiles in the Lightning. His priority, however, was the testing of the new Jaguar strike/attack aircraft, an Anglo-French collaborative venture. For the Jaguar to be given its “Release to Service” prior to entering RAF squadron service, its handling characteristics and performance profiles were assessed, and further studies were done when the aircraft carried weapons and external wing-mounted fuel tanks.

    After attending the Senior Officer’s War Course in September 1974, Adams completed a course to fly helicopters before returning to Boscombe Down, this time as Superintendent of Test Flying and Training – chief test pilot – responsible for supervising test flying of all RAF and RN aircraft and helicopters at A&AEE.

    This included the preliminary work on the Tornado and the Sea Harrier, continuing work on the Jaguar, the Hawk trainer and the Puma helicopter. He also flew trial flights in multi-engine aircraft, including the Hercules and Comet 4, which were used as flying test beds for various equipment and avionic installations.

    Adams spent 1982 as a student at the Royal College of Defence Studies before taking up the post of Air Officer Training, responsible for all air and ground training across the RAF. In January 1984 he became Assistant Chief of Air Staff (Operational Requirements) in the MoD. After a year, and following a major re-organisation of the operational staffs in MoD (the Heseltine Review), he moved to the Central Staff as Assistant Chief of Defence Staff (Air Systems).

    He was heavily involved in the European Fighter Aircraft (EFA), the collaborative programme that became the Typhoon fighter. There was considerable work on the JP 233 airfield denial weapon, and on preparing for a new generation of precision guided weapons, which led to the acquisition of Brimstone, the air-launched ground attack missile, and Storm Shadow, the Anglo-French air-launched, long-range cruise missile.

    Adams also became involved in the selection of a new training aircraft for the RAF and he visited Switzerland to test fly the Pilatus PC-9. Despite favourable reports on the aircraft, the Brazilian Tucano aircraft was acquired instead.

    His final appointment was as the Senior RAF Director at the Royal College of Defence Studies. Shortly before his retirement in October 1988, he was appointed CB. During his flying career he flew 66 different types of aircraft, amassing almost 7,000 hours.

    He was appointed a Fellow of the Royal Aeronautical Society and later served on the council before becoming its vice-president.

    In 1989 he joined the French aerospace company Thompson CSF as their UK director before retiring in 1994 to Surrey, where he was a governor, and then chairman, of the RAF’s Duke of Kent School and chairman of the area British Legion branch.

    Adams had been a strong supporter of the RAF Mountaineering Association. He met, and in 1966 married, his wife Sue, a WRAF officer, when both were serving on the association’s committee.

    He continued climbing Munros in Scotland well into his seventies, and walked the North and South Downs several times a week. Despite having been diagnosed with inoperable cancer in May, he continued his five-mile walks until a month before his death. He was a fine silversmith, wood turner and clock repairer.

    Adams was much admired by his pilots and staff. A fellow test pilot described him as “a pleasure to work for… professional, modest and unruffled: a gentleman”.

    He is survived by his wife Sue and by their two sons and a daughter.

    Mike Adams, born January 23 1934, died August 30 2022 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/78bea4625d0b4d969f41b452fd81bb2cf992feb67e9766ef4ba5ad91b26b5fdf.jpg

  15. How France became trapped in a spiral of chaos and decline. 6 November 2022.

    Whatever became of France? Once the most beautiful, brilliant and civilised country on earth, it is now caught in a seemingly irreversible spiral of decline. The French know it — a survey last year found that 61pc believe the country is in decline — but they feel powerless to prevent it.

    The mood is sullen, resentful and angry. Violence simmers just below the surface, as in the yellow vest protests four years ago. Those who dare to look behind the crumbling facade of the French state will find a nation in existential crisis.

    The crisis has countless causes. At its heart, however, is the despair of a people who have been deceived for so long that they no longer believe anything their leaders say — even if they tell the truth. The mood is crepuscular, at times almost apocalyptic, as those who have been kept in denial come to terms with a present that mocks their hopes for the future. There is barely a glimpse of la gloire with which they associate the rapidly receding past.

    Tell us about it!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/11/06/how-france-became-trapped-spiral-chaos-decline/

      1. No, Ndovu, the British are not revolting; they suffer from “mustn’t grumble” syndrome.

        1. You are right, Harry. It must have been a hell of an effort to get people worked up enough to be involved in the civil war.

        1. In times of trouble we found them very helpful during all of our travels in lè froglè.
          Except for the little git who kept shouting at his woman and repetedly slamming their hotel bedroom door at 11pm, after we had been traveling all day and asleep for over two hours.
          He came very close to a smack in his noisy little gob.

        2. You sound like my father who said that he absolutely abominated the Irish but that two of his very closest friends were Irish.

          The majority of our friends here are French. The English tend to form cliques and only associate with other English people and never learn how to speak French. Many of these people are, frankly, very dull and rather dim and we have integrated more into French society here than British. Caroline is applying for French nationality but I shall remain British and follow the sentiments that Enobarbus expressed in Antony and Cleopatra.

          I’ll follow yet the wounded chance of Antony England
          Though my reason sits in the wind against me .

        3. You sound like my father who said that he absolutely abominated the Irish but that two of his very closest friends were Irish.

          The majority of our friends here are French. The English tend to form cliques and only associate with other English people and never learn how to speak French. Many of these people are, frankly, very dull and rather dim and we have integrated more into French society here than British. Caroline is applying for French nationality but I shall remain British and follow the sentiments that Enobarbus expressed in Antony and Cleopatra.

          I’ll follow yet the wounded chance of Antony England
          Though my reason sits in the wind against me .

    1. The French don’t realise how lucky they are. All that wonderful countryside mountains, coast lines, lovely towns and villages. Let alone the Mediterranean.
      But at times like these the past comes to light. Do they still remember history lessons and being put in their place. Perhaps they need to pay a visit to London the home counties and other towns in England and enjoy the damage their vile hatefilled government has inflicted on us. Then pop back and drink a bottle of van Rouge to ease their apparent discomfort.

        1. Absolutely correct.
          The only objectionable thing I ever noticed during all the years I drove my family thousands of miles, to various destinations for our annual holiday’s. Was how some people’s homes in the French countryside had been virtually demolished to allow roads to be built. The authorities didn’t seem to care that it destroyed farming lively hoods.

  16. Morning all 🙂
    Another grey start after rain. It looks as if winter has arrived early. And ‘climate change’ has been switched off 🙄

  17. 367295+ up ticks,,

    It all started when Welly & Sharpe, Nelly & Hornblower kicked shite out of them a few times, it left ,until this day, mental scars…

    How France became trapped in a spiral of chaos and decline
    Humiliated Emmanuel Macron is presiding over a country that has lost its raison d’être

      1. 367295+ up ticks,

        Morning A,

        As with the lab/lib/con/ukip coalition party I can think of none.

  18. Migrant schools farce must stop

    Some

    families in Kent have been told there are no school places left in the

    Canterbury and Ashford areas – because they have been allocated to

    migrant children. Instead, local kids are having to travel up to 25

    miles for lessons. Quite apart from the inconvenience and the stress –

    how are they supposed to see their friends or attend after-school sports

    clubs? – this is just the kind of thing that turns even the most

    generous-minded person into a raging reactionary.

    It’s

    all very well for the liberal elites to condemn the Government’s

    efforts to stem the flow of arrivals across the Channel. But they are

    not the ones with hotels full of fit and healthy men in their 20s

    masquerading as victims on their doorsteps, or whose children are being

    turned into outcasts and educational migrants in their own country in

    order to accommodate the needs of those with no legitimate right to be

    here. Of course we must welcome those in need, of course we must do what

    we can to help. But this farce has to end.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11394553/SARAH-VINE-Elon-Musk-does-kill-Twitter-greatest-gift-yet.html

    1. After school clubs – to learn pick-pocketing, car theft, rape and – a top fave – slavery.

      1. Clucking Bell; is that what the violin teacher was passing on to those rich enough to do after hours tutoring?

    2. If the “migrant” children can travel all the way across the various safe states of Europe to get a free education, then they can

      agree to be bussed 25 miles to a suitable school.

  19. Good morning all

    Oliver Dowden is useless .. Laura K is really giving him a hard time .. good girl

    MPs duck and dive .. Talking about Gavin Williamson and his disgusting attitude .. unpleasant bullying and texting .

    There are no consequences .. Dowden giving excuses for Williamson .

  20. 367295+ up ticks,

    As I posted yesterday, who are you gunna call ? but GHOSTBUSTERS.

    Gerard Batten
    @gjb2021
    ·
    52m
    And when the thousands upon thousands of desperado invaders are in sufficient numbers to break out of all their holding centres & go on the rampage, what are the ‘authorities’ going to be able to do about it?

    Fuck all would be my guess.

    https://gettr.com/post/p1x2vuu5cba

  21. Did someone on here suggest yesterday that Elon Musk should sort the NHS out and then the civil service and the government .

    I have a grudging admiration for his energy .. yes he is peculiar , but he gets things done .

    1. Such a forward thinking person would be completely out of place with any connection with our pointless and useless misnomer of a government and the snivel service.
      Although a good dose of insecticide would probably do the trick.

    2. Start with the civil service first. It wouldn’t be difficult to cut 60% from it. Most of what it does is form filling and data gathering – for the various front line services so it can engage in a round of back slapping. None of that needs to be done.

  22. We need to talk about boomer radicalisation. 6 November 2022.

    Andrew Leak, the man named as the perpetrator of the petrol bomb attack on Dover migrant centre was, on the surface, an unlikely terrorist. Aged 66 and living in High Wycombe, reports paint him as a somewhat odd but largely harmless character. His internet history told a different story. Though he does not appear to have been led on to his attack by anyone else, there is a clear pattern of self-radicalisation.

    Analysis from Hope Not Hate, the anti-far-right campaign group, shows that his online presence was riddled with racism. He seemed to support Tommy Robinson and engaged with several other personalities who post inflammatory coverage of issues around migration. Elsewhere he posted theories about migrant boats being made by the UN, while his neighbours hinted at a belief in Covid vaccine conspiracies. An hour before the attack, he Tweeted ‘we will obliterate them Muslim children’. His story points to a new and worrying trend: the online radicalisation of older people.

    Gotta trash this guy in case any other wrinklies get similar ideas! Oh wait!

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/we-need-to-talk-about-boomer-radicalisation/

    1. There is no ‘boomer radicalisation’. There is only the state ruining people’s lives and making people desperate.

      Ahh, hope not hate, that bastion of communist spite, malignant poison, lies and Left wingery. A thoroughly evil group of bitter, hypocritical, hate filled, toxic malcontents the world would be better off without.

    2. I think innefficient politicians are radicalising the public ..

      Politicians have no idea what patriotism is .

      Modern politicians have no idea how many millions have died in wars defending and protecting this Sceptered Isle .

      The W——s will be laying poppy wreaths .. there will be marching , solemn music , men and women in uniform , old menand women as well , widows — widowers .

      For one day the nation draws together … in rememberance ..

      Yet one elderly ill white man took it upon himself to send a message against the infiltration of many who have done EVIL things , who have come here and massacred , murdered , raped , tortured our own people ..

      Are we all mentally ill because we want to be rid of another crude culture , which is being courted and pandered to by government.. and our sacrifices , the stuff we have built , created and paid for is now being rubbished ..

      Many of us feel defeated .. no one is there to save us .. no squadrons of Spitfires , Hurricanes , bombers , warships .. nothing , no one is going to save us from being labelled racist ..

      What on earth are we going to do ?

    3. I can’t take any article seriously that quotes Hate Not Hope as a source. Those people see far-right wingers hiding under their beds.

  23. Do read this story if you have a moment .. https://twitter.com/ActivePatriotUK/status/1589192065254313986

    A 16-year-old MIGRANT girl has appeared before a special court charged with ATTEMPTED MURDER on her social worker

    Identity still NOT been fully confirmed

    FIVE different DATES OF BIRTH and SIX VARIATIONS of her age registered with the HOME OFFICE

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/child-refugee-accused-of-attempting-to-murder-her-social-worker-42121041.html

    1. She’s here when she shouldn’t be.
      She was given access to a social worker when she should have had none.
      She was poorly documented when she shouldn’t be here at all

      The problem seems to be that the vermin shouldn’t be here. Not that she attempted murder. They’ll all do that.

      1. Until recently, I never thought the word vermin would spring unbidden into my mind when referring to a fellow human being.
        Truly is the past another country; that’s ‘past’ as in last month.

          1. Brilliant. That would really get ‘them’ – the chattering classes – going, wouldn’t it? I am surprised the Daily Mail hasn’t discovered this site yet…!

      2. I think we all have to accept the horrible truth that the PTB and MSM in Britain are determined to ruin the country by undermining its culture and self-belief through the immigration of hordes of people of fighting age who share their determination to destroy Britain and impose Islam.

        1. Yep. Been banging that drum for a while. They want to destroy us. The state is forcing social genocide.

        2. My message to the hoards who come here to kill us, would you please start with the politicians so at least we’d get some pleasure from our demise

    2. I suppose that social workers need to deal with mentally deranged people just as Harpic has to deal with excrement that has gone round the bend!

    1. Well, no. Other countries have roads in that poor condition. Rwanda, Romania, Khazakstan, Afghanistan….

      The real question is what is our tax money being spent on when it isn’t shared, essential public services?

  24. If I could throttle the duplicitous eejits who write Telegraph articles…

    Taxpayers on the hook?

    Taxpayers are being buried by EVERY anti-British thing the Uniparty of done – lockdowns, war, fuel, net-zero, genderbending inclusion claptrap, expensive madness everywhere you look.

    This really sums it up. https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/if-this-isnt-the-end-of-civilisation-what-is/

    Now a few Albanians are supposed to frighten us? The main danger from these people is that they must be clinical fruit-loops to even consider coming here.

    1. Someone in the DT commented that ‘we need a party with BRAINS!’ I suggested Thunderbirds!

  25. If I could throttle the duplicitous eejits who write Telegraph articles…

    Taxpayers on the hook?

    Taxpayers are being buried by EVERY anti-British thing the Uniparty of done – lockdowns, war, fuel, net-zero, genderbending inclusion claptrap, expensive madness everywhere you look.

    This really sums it up. https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/if-this-isnt-the-end-of-civilisation-what-is/

    Now a few Albanians are supposed to frighten us? The main danger from these people is that they must be clinical fruit-loops to even consider coming here.

    1. I’ve found working with businesses that they don’t like honesty. They really don’t. Tell them they’re wasting their money. Tell them this is a better way of doing things, that they need training and procedures, that they are, bluntly, wrong is most unfashionable.

      I watched some twerp repeatedly click OK to the MS Excel popup that he was complaining about. I said ‘have you read it?’

      ‘No, I don’t have time for that.’

      ‘Yet you waste my time ticking a box you could have done if you’d spent a second thinking.’

      Back in the day when shadowmask CRTs came out, Dell would slap a big peel off film explaining what the two wires were for. I still got called to explain them, so I peeled off the sticker and read it to them.

      People are dumb and pig headed.

      In the earliest days I hired a lass to help me out with some admin stuff. After getting used to my system and finding it took her a long time to do anything I asked her what was wrong. She said she didn’t want to change anything in case I didn’t like it.

      I told her that I’d hired her because my way wasn’t working and I needed help. If she wouldn’t speak truth to power, she was no good to me. We’ve worked together for over 10 years now and she still tells me I’m wrong. If you don’t take advice, why bother hiring the person you want it from?

      1. The on costs of employing staff are so horrendous in France that many small businesses hire as few people as they possibly can. Caroline and I have never taken on more people – and thank God we never did. As long as we can do as good a job as we possibly can for our students, enjoy what we do and earn enough money to live comfortably rather than lavishly we are very happy.

        We are fortunate in our marriage, we are fiercely loyal to each other and don’t go in for rows with each other. We share everything we possess and have never ever had an argument about money.

      2. Most people want reassurance rather than correction. And if the message is put wrongly, then they stop listening immediately.
        I had to present our findings to the management in South Sudan, whose idea of maintenance planning was to ask at the morning meeting “What are we going to do today?” Naturally, the plant was mostly down. Late one evening, preparing the presentation that told them they were utterly useless, I had an Eureka! moment.
        I presented the next day using sporting analogies, positive ones. Everybody loves sport, so I presented their organisation as operating like a power sprinter (Images on screen of musclebound black guys) – one huge breath, and a few seconds and 100m later, and the race is over. Problem was, they were in a marathon, that requires careful planning, slipstreaming, knowing where the water stations are, and so on, and taking it a bit easy (pictures of lanky Kenyans). They were, effectively, running a plant whilst working in commissioning mode, and it don’t work.
        They loved it. I’d called them incompetent, and we were invited back to help them organise & put it right. If I’d just said they were useless and needed to plan, the discussions would have stopped there.

        1. Well done Obs 😊
          On a less important scale whilst I was working in Port Elizabeth on the fruit storage facilities in the harbour. Our bossy boss selected 4 guys from the section he was running on the Calton Centre in JHB.
          He was German, not a tradesman and continually tried to interfere with the practical side of the project. “Don’t do this, do it like that”.
          He even tried to instruct the project manager.
          There’s was a piece of string lying on one of the work benches.
          I picked it up and said watch. I pull the string and it straightend.
          Then I push it, it crumpled.
          I asked him what he learned from it ? He stormed off.
          Even his business partner
          (a decent chap) Wilhelm drove off in the middle of the night, never
          to be seen again. I left after 4
          months of it, at Christmas.

      3. When I worked at Raleigh Cycles in Nottingham I visited the Sales Director. I told him that I had an idea that would give the company a sales boost over their competitors. I explained that if they started complying with the law and only sold bikes that already had a bell attached to the handlebars (no company does that) and then advertised that fact, parents would choose their legally safe bikes for their children, over others from competitors where they needed to buy a bell separately.

        He was utterly bemused by my suggestion. He told me that he would not wish to do anything that would harm their Parts & Accessories Division, which had the responsibility for selling bike bells. I countered this by explaining to him that no one ever bought a bike bell from P&A (or elsewhere). If they did then all bikes on the road would have a bell. They don’t!

        He still didn’t “get it”. Even when I tried to tell him that they could charge a small premium extra on each bike sale to cover the cost of the bell, he still demurred, believing that my suggestion of gaining an advantage over other competitors wasn’t the way to go. As a result the status quo was maintained and a few years later the company stopped manufacturing it owns bikes altogether and sold the factory. It still operates in a rudimentary fashion (from a shed on a trading estate), selling bikes made in China and affixing them with the company’s stickers and transfers.

        The big problem with many, if not most, UK companies is that they refuse to acknowledge that positive change can be a force for the good.

  26. Libertarian jihadists in No 10? Sadly, the Tories remain a party of soggy social democracy
    Kwarteng’s mini-Budget would only have been a modest departure from the post-1990 consensus.

    Daniel Hannan : https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/05/libertarian-jihadists-no10-sadly-tories-remain-party-soggy-social/

    Daniel Hannan is very curate’s egg as far as I am concerned – but he does not have much time for Teraita May so I agree with this BTL post:

    BTL

    But how did she remove a 30 point lead in the polls in a few weeks to an election result where she needed to ally with another party to form a government?

    Too many of us were hoodwinked when she said : “Brexit means Brexit” and “No deal is better than a bad deal : she is a dishonest, mendacious and evil woman. She was determined to overthrow Brexit and her reign in Downing Street proved to be an inspiration to the enemies of democracy both in and out of her party and Britain has been lumbered with the worst possible Brexit deal and a Brexit which is not fit for purpose.

    1. I’ve just read the article you refer too.
      Truss and her chancellor weren’t given a chance really, I know there were many flaws but the lemmings were so afraid. There is the wider issue of the country and the world has changed so much – even in the past five years . 20 years ago that mini budget wouldn’t have created such a fuss. We Stuffed full of those who are wokiest bleeding heart ‘ me me me ‘ left leaning types in government and everywhere. Obsessed with the polls instead of doing the right thing . All is lost now I’m afraid. The young couple next door have a little 3 month old baby girl – I feel sorry for her being born into this world as it is now and hate to think what she’ll be living amongst in 40 years time – if not sooner .

      1. Given that so many people are utterly dependent on the state I think politicians saw that suddenly they wouldn’t be needed as independence and person responsibility reasserted themselves. As a consequence they destroyed the best budget we could have had in a long time.

        That gave the Left an open goal to blame Truss for everything that’s their fault. The globalists hated it as it would have meant a growing prosperous Britain. So we got lumbered with stooge and waster.

        1. I wish I could give more than one uptick for your comment. I agree with it all.
          Here you are – take a bow!
          👏👏👏👏👏

          1. Oh you’re too kind. It’s just exhausting. Everything is back to front. We all know it, yet what can we do about it? 2 million people marched against the Afghan/Iraq war – and not just the usual rentamob – Blair ignored them all.

            We need a system where referism, recall and direct democracy take precedence. Whatever politicians do, we can stop it, and reverse whatever nonsense is currently enacted.

          2. Had they upped their game and poured into parliament he wouldn’t have been ignoring it. We have the numbers on our side, we could have swept all before us. Blair knows we pay attention to the rules and laws of this land and that he would get away with it, that we will go so far but no further. An ego and hide like a rhinocerous protects him, we could march all day every day, it would make no difference. When Parliament takes no notice of the people it is designed to serve, that is the moment for revolution, no ifs, no buts – that line has to be crossed in any way possible.

        2. The big problem is that we know how these plotting political morons work. But because of the system they have arranged to ensure that they remain in a safe place. We are helpless.
          We need a new Cromwell.

      2. The child will probably be dead – having caught some terrible disease imported by illegal invaders.

        1. Third World Diseases have already arrived and the fact that England is the most densely populated country in Europe means that these diseases are likely to spread.

      3. We’ve had 80 applicants for a job we’ve advertised. Over 70 are from Indians. In India. They want a work visa.

        We also had a letter reminding us of the equalities act, the HRA and all other twaddle.

        Basically, the state thinks we should hire an illegal immigrant with no skills, experience or competence just because it demands we do.

        However, the catch is if we don’t, and just bin all the ‘gimmi a job which I won’t do because I can’t’ – applications, we risk a heavy fine. That adds up to a mountain of paperwork documenting the reasons for rejection which is time i cannot spend working, earning the taxes the state spaffs on the very same useless vermin it pours in to this country.

        We need to get rid of about 40 million people from the UK.

          1. Problem is Oberst, we want folk like you to stay. We want the vermin, the useless, the feckless, the lazy to go.

      4. I feel the same for our grandchildren.
        Their innocence is understandable.
        In a way I’m rather glad I probably won’t be here to see them reach their 21st birthdays. I’ll leave them all a sealed envelope with a good luck letter.

        1. At one time it was hoped that life would be better for future generations,
          It’s very bleak indeed to know the past was better then the present and certainly the future. I really don’t recognise the world we live from my childhood or even 20 years ago.

          1. Agreed….we have new comers (with a pronounced accent) who have recently arrived in the country who are moaning because they have had to live in rented accommodation their mothers had to find work and sometimes even been hungry. Very similar to mine and many millions of other childhoods.
            The difference was we got on with it paid our way and were frugal. Our fathers had just come home from defending the country from invasion. And had to live in council houses and pay the rent there were no benefits for the immigrant scroungers. We all got on with it, without the great expectations all of these gimme Grants have. Who were all too lazy to put their own houses in order.

    2. Given that taxation is only there to provide essential public services it is long past time that these Left wing pressure groups stopped getting anything. They’re practically terrorists, and are certainly hate mongers.

      1. Include politicians and their greed ridden expenses claims. Stop them ripping off the British taxpayers. I would expect at least half of them would be gone.
        And rightly so.

        1. I think politicians should be counted under IR35. Apply their own stupid legislation to them – including expenses and pensions.

  27. I wonder what information those “processing” the illegal gimmegrants ask/are told about the incomers’ education and qualifications, if anything.

    I would be very interested to know exactly what these invaders claim to be bringing that will benefit the UK.
    I doubt that one in a hundred has anything other than unskilled manual labour to offer.

      1. And diptheria. A previously eradicated disease like TB and polio. All now brought here by immigrants.

    1. I’d like to know what that processing consists of.
      I doubt if it includes recording mug shots, fingerprints and DNA, then checked against InterPol records.
      Also, where applicable, dental examinations & bone x-rays for those claiming to be minors.

      1. Quite.

        We are so insane that if a convicted rapist murderer, who had been found irrefutably guilty and sentenced to death in his own country, arrived and claimed asylum because of that death sentence I have no doubt whatsoever that he would be granted asylum.

    1. If local children can be bussed elsewhere why are the authorities not bussing the illegal immigrants’ children elsewhere instead?

      1. I cannot imagine that these children can be mainstreamed as, more than likely, their knowledge of the English language is not good and our ways will be different. These children should be in a separate facility, if they must be in a school, to learn the basics before they can be in regular classes.
        It won’t happen.

        1. Not least because the types of teachers the incomers need are of the best we have and are needed as much by our own children, particularly those “at the margins”

      2. Oooh, no – it doesn’t fit with the agenda of division, dividing communities, families, friendships.

        1. Take over Eton, Winchester and Charterhouse, etc and kick out the fee paying children and educate all the incoming children together there.
          Keep doing that until the flows stop.
          The elites would soon kick up a stink and the flows would soon stop too.

          1. Life in public schools is pretty cushy these days.

            Refugee children would not have liked Blundell’s in the 50s and 60s much I can tell you. As Evelyn Waugh wrote in Decline and Fall:

            “…any one who has been to an English public school will always feel comparatively at home in prison. It is the people brought up in the gay intimacy of the slums, Paul learned, who find prison so soul destroying.”

          2. My OH was a day boy at a minor public school in Yorkshire.

            He was scarred for life by the abuse he received there.

            I recall the stories you have told of your school experience which was no less than child abuse.

          3. By today’s standards it was child abuse – but even if we grumbled a bit we didn’t complain to anyone as it was normal to us and what we expected. To borrow from ‘King Lear’:

            Men must endure
            Their going hence, even as their coming hither;
            Ripeness is all.

            I suppose our parents’ generation believed that a certain amount of hell and misery led to one’s acquiring ‘ripeness’!

            I certainly do not feel I was scarred for life, Thank God.

        1. Apparently it’s against their human rights to check their teeth to ascertain their real age.
          Free dental treatment not appreciated?

    2. Fuck the RNLI. No sympathy. They are part of a people-smuggling ring, and should be arrested and jailed. That would solve their accommodation problem.

  28. Climate change, pah .

    Take a gander at this wonderful weather histor link .

    https://premium.weatherweb.net/weather-in-history-1650-to-1699-ad/

    I wonder whether any one at that climate conference in Egypt questions how the Gulf states manage to build modern cities , lush pastures .

    Will anyone tackle South Americans for destroying rain forests or Africans for also destroying forests because they cannot afford parrafin so wood is an easy option ?

    The people at that conference will be feeling their bank balances and plotting the next step for duping the public .

    1. There’s no question we, as a species are not especially good for the environment. We’ve about a dozen solid oak doors. That tree didn’t spring up in 5 weeks, it took decades to grow. In my library there’s about 3000 odd books, we’ve a couple of dozen electrical devices between us, all using rare earth elements.

      OK, so we stretch them, My phone and ipad are 4 years old, laptops even older. Junior doens’t get new kit every year. Only the Warqueen spends real money on clothes. Most of my stuff is years old and I’ll wear it until it is rags – but it’s still resources.

      With 8 billion people on the planet (and that’ll soar exponentially again) we are simply using up too many materials. Why are our cakes and chocolate full of palm oil rather than butter eggs and flour? Because those are expensive (or more likely don’t meet communist globalist regulations).

      It’s ironic. Our population was falling. we were, for the first time living within our means. Labour then imported the first 15 million dross and it’s been downhill ever since.

  29. The Independent reporting that Immigration officials are targeting mosques, gurdwaras, temples and churches to advise people with insecure statuses to return to their countries of origin. Specialists from the Home Office have carried out more than 400 ” community engagement surgeries” over the past 3years – a fourfold increase since 2019. The “surgeries” are carried out by officials from the Home Office’s National Community Engagement Team [NCET]
    At least 3 instances last year enforcement visits to religious premises resulted in people being taken directly to an airport. [It doesn’t say they got on a plane]
    The “hostile environment” was a set of policies introduced in 2012 by home secretary Theresa May to make staying in the UK as difficult as possible for people without leave to remain.
    It’s surprising that, as far as I know , this hasn’t come to light but Migrant groups and charities are calling out for the “hostile policy policy” to be scrapped.
    A gurdwara is a place for assembly of Sikhs

  30. Bugger – just discovered water dripping on the the landing. And the roof is inaccessible and also too tricky to see if there is a broken tile.

    Never rains………..

    1. Oh Bill, sorry to hear that. Having had much the same problem and finding we needed a new roof I sympathise.

    2. Keep clear of ladders – don’t give in to Titian like urges!

      While Titian was mixing rose madder
      His model was posed on a ladder
      “Your position”, said Titian
      “Inspires coition!”
      So he nipped up the ladder a ‘ad ‘er.

        1. 367295+ up ticks,

          Afternoon R,

          As supported & voted for, not of late but dating back decades change was NEVER considered or voted for, the family tree voter RULES OK.

          Party before Country is a nation killer.

  31. 367295+ up ticks,

    UK Govt Contractors ‘Disciplined’ for Trying to Sell Drugs to Migrants Inside Detention Camp

    Does disciplined mean incarcerated ? surely incitement to murder / rape / abuse carries a custodial sentence.

    1. Very good, I always liked him. There should be a list of people to send up there, but on a one way trip.

  32. Every time I listen to this, I marvel at the skill, talent and abilities of the composer, and those that can play at this level, in what is probably the world’s greatest orchestra. One of my two favourite pieces, the other being the Emperor piano concerto.
    https://youtu.be/u6mNgN1LKbc

    1. The third(?) movement really gets me – Robble Coltrane used it as the sound track to him being bounced round the sky in a Hawker Hunter, mouth open and clearly screaming (Coltranes planes and automobiles)… maybe I can persuade them to play it at my funeral?

  33. I accidentally drank a bottle of invisible ink last night – I’m in hospital waiting to be seen

  34. Premier League football star suffered serious groin injury during
    ‘hard and vociferous sex’ with his partner, surgeon reveals
    D Fail

    Apparently, his partner was a goalkeeper whose speciality was whipping the balls away from the feet of his opponents.

    1. Before Wimbledon, I read a story in one of the papers about a tennis club which tried to train dogs to fetch the balls instead of using ball boys/girls.
      It didn’t work. The dogs fetched the balls OK but wouldn’t give them back.
      Having had three Goldens who loved their tennis balls, I could have told them that was a lost cause;-)

      1. Not only that the balls would soon be soaking and throw off all the spittle, next service. 🤔

        1. Perhaps that is why the wazzocks take three balls and throw one aside – it is the one with too much spittle on.

    1. He’ll do anything for his own aggrandisement, but by the look he has, there are limits

  35. Mainly because I’m stuck at home with my knee problem. I have been Google Earth venturing in parts unknown to me. Now then you lot….Don’t get the wrong idea. As one of my long-ago girl friends would say to her father late on Wednesday evenings, when he tried to catch us ‘doing something’. “Evil thinks, as Evil does”.
    When I log on I get these magnificent screen savers of scenery from around the world. The last one was of Senja Island northern Norway inside the artic circle.
    The Main village is Fjordgard.
    I have been so impressed with the magnificent scenery, the wonderful looking different coloured three storey houses and un-usually, quite a few people walking along the roads who seem to be in the middle of nowhere. Even people sitting out on home balcony’s. Hundreds of bicycles outside the homes, children’s play things, slides and Ride Ons. And that’s because most of the footage was filmed summer 09-22, this year.
    The harvest had been carried out the rolls of hay stood in the fields. I expect they will have been stored by now.
    I am so impressed with the island I think I want to go there for a holiday next year. Knee permitting.

    1. Google Earth along with a map for marking out regions of interest, is one good thing the internet has provided.
      Prior to G.E, i would study O.S maps and plan an expedition, only to find when getting there, it was not worth the time and petrol.

      1. My sedentary efforts certainly save a lot of the real life efforts. And of course money.
        I’m quite surprised the Norwegians have taken the trouble to drive around the island and film it all.
        Seemingly many countries don’t want the rest of the world to see behind the scenes.

        1. Modernity for the tourist routes: go outside those areas and real life is exposed.
          I remember taking my wife for a vist to Masirah Island Oman for the first time.
          She was quite shocked at the apparent deprivation (must have been 1989 or thereabouts) so took her behind one of the houses, a brand new Rangerover: all was not what it seemed.
          I’ve also seen incredible poverty in some areas, but the occupants were generous, friendly and apparently quite happy with their lot.

          1. Back in ‘94 in villages in Jordan I saw very biblical square white dwellings with flat roof and steps…and a satellite dish…on the side.

          2. They became ubiquitous in all areas of the Middle East: especially being able to circumvent the encryption, which ment places like KSA, could see Western TV without local censorship.

      1. 30 years ago I knelt down and it felt I had made contact with an upturned pack of drawing pins.
        Someone who didn’t know what they were doing performed an arthroscopy. I had another very soon after which made it possible for me to walk. But I’m still suffering.
        I think the NHS is trying to make me pay for their own mistake.

        1. Apologies for my poor taste joke. I too find it painful to walk more than a few yards at a time. Dolly doesn’t mind. She gets extra sniff time.

  36. England rugby stars appeal for help to find missing winger Levi Davis, 24,
    who disappeared from a pub in Barcelona more than a week ago. Dreary Fail

    Gay-Boys of Barcelona beating their breasts and baring their souls hoping Davis drops in for a double with decadent drop-outs. Probably missed the bus and now waiting his turn on a dingy somewhere near Calais.
    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/06/13/64228875-11395841-The_winger_24_who_starred_on_X_Factor_Celebrity_was_last_seen_ou-a-13_1667741146920.jpg Middle one, if you don’t know him.

      1. No real danger Phil just a long slow bloody uncomfortable recovery waiting for the symptoms(numbness) to fade
        Basically suck it up and KBO

  37. The sun has come out. It was so dark and wet this morning I wondered if many would come to church but there was a christening so the baptism party filled the church and baby Frederick Percy was very well behaved.

    At Barts we use the medieval crypt as a vestry and this morning the tiled floor down there was very wet in places, with a puddle in the middle, which can only be because the ground beneath is sodden? Above is thick stone vaulting. The water can’t get through that?

      1. Percy is his middle name. No idea what the surname is but his parents are male and female and he’s baby number three. I think there was a nanny looking after his two little sisters. Did strike me that the normal nuclear family is rapidly becoming a preserve of the upper classes.

      1. Yeah, this isn’t near the entrance (which is level with the churchyard) though. It’s the crypt beneath the body of the church.

  38. Not a lot done outside today, a few apples picked with the “basket on a stick” I use and nearly as many knocked off to fall to the ground.
    I had planned doing some crushing & pressing, but it began raining so I’ve not bothered.

    Have also boiled up and jarred yesterday’s Spiced Apple with Pineapple & Ginger chutney, 16 jars in all and changed the bathroom lightswitch, so all in all, not a wasted morning.

  39. No wild internet conspiracy site but the Spectator

    What is in the Pfizer vaccines? Recently, Dr David Nixon, a Brisbane

    GP, decided to find out, putting droplets of vaccine and the blood of

    vaccinated patients under a dark-field microscope.

    That’s a more radical decision than it might sound. According to

    Sasha Latypova, a scientist with 25 years of experience in clinical

    trials for pharmaceutical companies, the contract between Pfizer and the

    US government prohibits independent researchers from studying the

    vaccines. They claim it would ‘divert’ these precious resources away

    from their intended use fulfilling an ‘urgent’ need.

    So is there graphene oxide in the Pfizer shots? What Nixon found, and

    filmed, is bizarre to say the least. Inside a droplet of vaccine are

    strange mechanical structures. They seem motionless at first but when

    Nixon used time-lapse photography to condense 48 hours of footage into

    two minutes, it showed what appear to be mechanical arms assembling and

    disassembling glowing rectangular structures that look like circuitry

    and micro chips. These are not ‘manufactured products’ in the CDC’s

    words because they construct and deconstruct themselves but the

    formation of the crystals seems to be stimulated by electromagnetic

    radiation and stops when the slide with the vaccine is shielded by a

    Faraday bag. Nixon’s findings are similar to those of teams in New

    Zealand, Germany, Spain and South Korea.

    https://www.spectator.com.au/2022/11/wots-in-the-shots/

    Not sinister,not at all,no sireee

    http://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b38fd6506cc1d29736b0baf46d1d963326d38a9fe49d4d9d15c4ef080106afb9.jpg

    1. ” the

      formation of the crystals seems to be stimulated by electromagnetic

      radiation and stops when the slide with the vaccine is shielded by a

      Faraday bag”

      That information is new to me. Perhaps the 5G radiation crowd have a point after all….I’ve never taken this too seriously, because we are already surrounded by 2G, 3G and 4G networks at various frequencies and transmission powers.

      Whatever the crystals are, I get the strong impression that it’s still experimental.
      We already know from analysis of symptoms resulting from various batch numbers that they were carrying out toxicity testing on the population without anyone’s consent.

      I want to test the Bluetooth address thing, but I can’t coax a freshly vaxxed person out into the remote open to test it!

      1. They didn’t get on when the cat was still ‘with us’. Fought like, like cat and dog in fact.

  40. Afternoon all.
    I’ve just read a piece in the DT by Bill Bryson on the British Christmas.
    Anyone know which carol he means by this description?

    “And who would have guessed that one of our most popular Christmas carols began as a kind of semi-pornographic Welsh folksong?”

      1. Yes, an old verse says, “Oh how soft my fair one’s bosom,
        Fa la la etc…..”
        Last line of the verse is ” Words of love and mutual kisses. ”
        I did look it up as there are so many hymns, carols and even our national anthem which were originally tavern songs etc.

  41. If Sunak and Hunt don’t change course, we are heading for severe recession
    The pro-growth agenda of Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng is what the UK economy needed. We will all suffer from its demise

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/05/sunak-hunt-dont-change-course-heading-severe-recession/

    BTL

    Hunt and Sunak want to destroy the private sector as the first part of their plan to destroy the British economy completely.

    They know very well that 85% of the people working in the private sector are either self-employed or working for companies employing fewer than 20 people so raising corporation tax and attacking private pensions is a pretty good place to start.

    Have the people in Britain gone completely mad? Can they not see that both Hunt and Sunak are the WEF place men? Are the British unaware of the devastation Sunak and Hunt want to let loose?

      1. The EU is itself in process of collapse. There are protests in Germany, Holland, France and Italy which go unreported in our press.

        The prospect of no hot water and blackouts this coming winter have caused Europeans to question sending money to a corrupt Ukrainian neo-Nazi sacrificing his population to the Russian Army.

        The failure to secure discounted gas supplies from Russia at the behest of US/UK/NATO has severe consequences for European industry with potentially millions of car workers facing redundancies.

        The utter failure of the Green New Deal to meet realistic energy demands is laid bare. Germany is presently switching urgently from wind power to coal, demolition of useless wind turbines to gain access to land to win coal.

        Unless our incompetent UK government changes course as urgently we will suffer real hardships and the likelihood of riots in the streets.

    1. There’s only place he should be able to appear on a Sunday morning.
      On a golf course,……. as a divot.

    2. There’s an even worse article: https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1692577/cheap-electricity-angela-rayner-Putin-Britain-s-energy-policy-Labour-COP27-Rishi-Sunak

      GB Energy. A state owned energy company. Dear freakin’ life. These morons cause the problem. They make energy expensive. Now they think they can solve it with a useless, expensive, national company.

      I despair. Mindless fools. Why, why are we burdened with such appallingly thick, mendacious, vicious, ignorant, arrogant twerps?

    3. How sweet and forgiving. As he’s Jewish (give or take a badly masticated bacon buttie) yer average Pakki would love to kill him.

    4. That is what the latest greenfest is all about, they no longer hide behind fighting climate change.

      Parently a whole bunch of west coast indians are thereto preach their version of decolonisation. We are just worried how much blackface and his minions will promise.

      .

  42. Well – a tiny bit of better news. With soldier neighbour’s help plus binoculars, have established at least one broken pantile in the right sort of place…. The rain must be seeping through and running down the rafter – and then, thoughtfully, dripping just outside the bedroom door…..

      1. Why?

        Seriously, nothing would get me anywhere near the roof. I am replying on the trusty builder. In a slightly better position than usual – he recently did a roof job (different roof) and so I owe him money…..!

        1. There is no way I would contemplate climbing onto my roof. Ordinary ladder-work yes, but I draw the line at messing about on a roof.

          1. Mind you don’t trip. Stairs are potentially very dangerous. I suggest you commission an independent risk assessment…

      1. You could stick her inside the cupboard door where you keep the tins. Might have a job getting her off though.

  43. Bogey Five after 3 unlucky shots …

    Wordle 505 5/6
    🟩🟩🟩⬜🟩
    🟩🟩🟩⬜🟩
    🟩🟩🟩⬜🟩
    🟩🟩🟩⬜🟩
    🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

      1. I had exactly the same second line but ambled around all the possible alternative words until eventually I arrived at the final destination with a woeful 6!

    1. Wordle 505 3/6

      ⬜⬜⬜🟨⬜
      ⬜⬜🟩🟩🟩
      🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

      Some outrageous driving!

    2. Also crappy five.
      Wordle 505 5/6

      🟨⬜⬜🟨⬜
      ⬜🟨🟨🟨⬜
      🟨🟨🟩🟨⬜
      ⬜🟨🟩⬜🟩
      🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

          1. Dvorak was the trainspotter. I vaguely remember a report that Radio 3 once broadcast a spoof programme about Bruckner liking railways but I haven’t been able to find a reference to it.

        1. Haven’t listened. Had enough of politics and politicians. Useless talking windbags, the lot of them. Including Farage.

  44. That’s me gone for this dreary, rain-filled day – with the bonus leaking roof…..(grrr)

    May be better tomorrow. It’ll definitely be cold because the AGA man is coming, so it has to be turned off at bedtime….. I shall stack up the woodburner to kep some warmth in the house.

    Another instalment of the Russia prog to watch after supper. It IS good…

    Have a spiffing evening keeping warm.

    A demain.

  45. I’ve just seen a news report where bleeding hearts are protesting on behalf of the gimmegrants and asylum seekers

    I would like to see every single one of those individuals forced to take in two for every room in their homes and ensure that the women are given Muslim men aged between 18 and 30 and the men forced to take in all those seeking asylum because they are gay or transsexual.

        1. Not me. Non functioning since i was 17. If only we had trans in those days i could have been Eddie Izzard before he became rich, famous and dull.

          1. I am more beguiling. Ask any Nottler that has met me. Eddie always had a lefty chip on his shoulder and we have seen how that pans out with the jealous and the whingers.

  46. Wowsers: Violet Elizabeth Williamson stamps her dainty foot. Don’t they have a country to ru(i)n?

    13th. October

    Gavin Williamson
    (Backbencher)
    “Think very poor how PC’s who aren’t favoured have been excluded from the funeral. Very poor and sends a very clear message.”

    Wendy Morton
    (Chief whip at the time)
    “That is not the case Gavin”

    Williamson
    “Well certainly looks it which think is very s— and perception becomes reality”
    “Also don’t forget I know how this works so don’t puss me about”

    Morton
    “As I said above – that’s simply not the case Gavin. The number of places allocated was extremely limited”

    Williamson
    “It’s very clear how you are going to treat a number of us which is very stupid and you are showing f— all interest in pulling things together. Don’t bother asking anything from me”
    “Also this shows exactly how you have rigged it is is disgusting you are using her death to punish people who are just supportive, absolutely disgusting”

    Morton
    “Gavin, again, this is not the case whatsoever”

    Williamson
    “Well let’s see how many more times you f— us all over. There is a price for everything”

    14th. October

    Morton
    “Gavin, as I have said that is not the case”

    Williamson
    “I think you are wasting my time and you are obviously intent on not being upfront nor willing to listen to concerns and have decided to isolate people.”

    1. ” Good evening Gavin.
      I think you are attempting to cause as much dissent as possible within the Party so, as chief whip, I have decided to withdraw the whip from you, for the good of the Party”.

      “Good luck at the next election.”

    2. He needs isolating. A padded room or a month on council housing estate in Cornwall might adjust his thinking. Without a heating allowance.

      He’s a bit like Hugh Grant but without divine friends.

  47. Wowsers: Violet Elizabeth Williamson stamps her dainty foot. Don’t they have a country to ru(i)n?

    13th. October

    Gavin Williamson
    (Backbencher)
    “Think very poor how PC’s who aren’t favoured have been excluded from the funeral. Very poor and sends a very clear message.”

    Wendy Morton
    (Chief whip at the time)
    “That is not the case Gavin”

    Williamson
    “Well certainly looks it which think is very s— and perception becomes reality”
    “Also don’t forget I know how this works so don’t puss me about”

    Morton
    “As I said above – that’s simply not the case Gavin. The number of places allocated was extremely limited”

    Williamson
    “It’s very clear how you are going to treat a number of us which is very stupid and you are showing f— all interest in pulling things together. Don’t bother asking anything from me”
    “Also this shows exactly how you have rigged it is is disgusting you are using her death to punish people who are just supportive, absolutely disgusting”

    Morton
    “Gavin, again, this is not the case whatsoever”

    Williamson
    “Well let’s see how many more times you f— us all over. There is a price for everything”

    14th. October

    Morton
    “Gavin, as I have said that is not the case”

    Williamson
    “I think you are wasting my time and you are obviously intent on not being upfront nor willing to listen to concerns and have decided to isolate people.”

  48. I don’t know what kind of pixie dust Geoff (pbuh) sprinkles on the link to the DT letters page, but it’s been allowing me to read the letters and comments without signing-in or using the 12ft ladder workaround.
    Incidentally, 12ft ladder doesn’t seem to work on the Tomes any more 🙁

  49. The real permacrisis is in Western civilisation

    Catastrophes are part of the human condition. What’s changed is our refusal to adapt to them

    DAVID FROST • 3 November 2022 • 8:00pm

    ‘Permacrisis” – the very word has a doleful ring about it. Maybe it’s the subliminal association with permafrost, but the national mood has undoubtedly been caught by Collins Dictionaries’ word of the year, defined as “an extended period of instability and insecurity, especially one resulting from a series of catastrophic events”.

    I understand why. Many familiar assumptions seem to have been upended recently. The beliefs that banks would not collapse, that Britain would always be an EU member, that our civil liberties could not be arbitrarily removed from us by the Government, that international borders were inviolate and invasions didn’t happen – all are one with Nineveh and Tyre.

    But I’m afraid the resonance of this word is a bad sign. After all, look harder, and the past few years don’t seem quite so unusual. We’ve had financial crashes before: remember the collapse of BCCI in 1991, the banking crisis of the early 1970s, or Equitable Life’s closure to new business in 2000. We’ve had energy crises too, in 1973 and 1979 – and the fuel duty protests in 2000 that nearly brought the country to a standstill.

    And is the Ukraine invasion really so unprecedented? We’ve had the Iraq war, unquestionably an invasion, whatever view one takes of its justification; the Balkan wars of the early 1990s which killed 100,000 people, displaced two million, and brought back concentration camps, mass executions and genocide; or the 1998/9 Kosovo war which nearly brought Nato and Russia into direct confrontation: have we all forgotten General Mike Jackson’s refusal “to start the Third World War” at Pristina airport?

    The Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974 killed thousands and displaced many more. So did the Soviet repression of Hungary in 1956. As for Britain, the Suez crisis killed 3,000 and caused a national nervous breakdown; and the Northern Irish Troubles killed nearly 4,000 and severely disrupted life in Britain for two decades. And then there was the Falklands conflict and our long involvement in Afghanistan.

    Or take the pandemic. Covid-19 was certainly not the first. The 1957/8 and 1968/9 flu epidemics each killed 
one to four million globally, including many tens of thousands in the UK. But the authorities’ less heavy-handed reaction means that these have dropped from popular memory.

    I spell all this out not to minimise or relativise the present crises. The Ukraine invasion is no more justifiable because other evil things have happened in Europe before. Rather, it is to suggest that permacrisis is not something new, but a permanent part of the human condition. War, disease, financial disaster – these are not phenomena from the distant past or faraway countries of which we know little. They have been with us, even here in the UK, all along.

    So why do recent years “feel” different to so many? I suggest it is not because the world has changed, but because we have. Rather than seeing change, disruption and unexpected events for what they are, part of life, to which we must adapt, we have come to think that they cannot, or should not, happen here. Nothing really bad should happen in Britain. If it does, the Government should protect us. Normal life should be smooth, unchallenging, and undisrupted.

    The problem is that, when we begin to think like this, we stop being resilient and start to become fragile. Great world events and the changes they bring seem abnormal, not part of the routine of human existence. Every risk looms large and the world seems more dangerous than ever. Then begins a vicious circle in which government must shield us from more and more difficulties. We start in a world where the state bails out banks but end in one where it caps energy prices, subsidises people to go to work, and restricts our behaviour for our own good – and who knows what next.

    The odd thing is that, in these circumstances, like an SUV driver insulated from the road in a super-safe vehicle, we can collectively start to take more risks because we think we are sheltered from the consequences. So we become dismissive about the danger of nuclear escalation in supporting Ukraine. We indulge in a decade of below-zero real interest rates without caring what it does to the economy. Or we wreck our energy system and hope windmills will fill the gap.

    Let’s say it like it is: this whole world view is a regression. We did not build Britain, or indeed Western civilisation, in this way. Normal historical events are not a permacrisis. What is a crisis is a society where too many people want to stop the world and get off. But a society in which citizens aren’t expected to confront challenges and don’t have to face consequences is one of children, not adults.

    Benjamin Franklin, on the last day of the US Constitutional Convention in 1787, was asked what had been agreed. He replied: “A republic, if you can keep it” – that is, as long as Americans could keep the habits of freedom, resilience and self-restraint that underpinned it. We should ask ourselves a similar question before it is too late: “Western civilisation – can we keep it?”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/03/real-permacrisis-western-civilisation/

    1. The state caused the energy crisis by running down energy generation.
      The state caused huge inflation due to debt and QE.
      The state shut down the country over a flu and deliberately ignored dissenting views
      When we suffer incidents in our lives we have to pay for them. The state doesn’t. Yet the state steals 70% of our income in tax and as a consequence leaves us so little that we are made vulnerable.

      The state heavily taxes low paid workers through stealth and gives them money back – to ensure it can keep taxing other people it makes taxation convoluted and complicated.

      Our nation is being overrun by a tide of vermin who will do nothing but live on welfare – the state forces this. These criminals are, and will continue do incredible damage to our country, people and culture.

      We don’t have a crisis or a permacrisis. We have an incompetent, malicious, stupid, greedy, arrogant government and state staffed with vicious, gormless, short termist agenda driven berks.

      The state is there to provide essential services only. Promoting the psychosis of a man in a dress as a woman is NOT what government is for. Paying for a muslim to have 12 children and be given a big house for them all is NOT what government is for.

      We are being forced into state dependence *BY* the state. The problem is government. At every level, state greed, laziness and arrogance is the problem.

    1. If there is any money to spare in this country, which I doubt, then it should be spent here. We have innumerable problems in this country without giving ANY more money elsewhere.

      1. Seeing as Pakis are building mosques everywhere in the UK as well as spiriting money out of the UK, we owe them nothing .

        Heaven forfend if that gobby spittleoon has an influence anywhere ..

    2. OK Mlioaf. You first. All your salary please. Oh, and your pension. Draw that down, pay the 50% tax on it and give it away. Lead the way, you utter, useless, spiteful b*tard.

      Pakistan caused it’s own problems. They don’t want to fix the problems they’ve created, why should we tell them otherwise?

        1. Would? I would expect on the basis of current performance, “will” is a better word.

          1. I have these screen savers come up every few weeks and the last one was Senja Island. The main village is Fjordgard. I’ve since spent hours using Google earth to travel around the Island most of the footage was taken in September this year. I fell in love with the place but, unfortunately it’s inside the artic circle. But it looks fantastic.

        2. I know an environmental health officer. He has found his case load significantly increased over the last ten years.

          He knows why, he’s just too polite to say it.

    1. That is, perhaps – the most revolting image of our alien cultural invasion – ever to appear on our Nottlers platform.

        1. No Belle, it’s reality.
          People need to know what this medieval minded scum are upto. 🤫

    2. That collective scum have been stealing sheep for years. They dumped a load of carcasses not long ago in Hertfordshire. A handy trip down the M1 from luton turn off after 6 miles find a quiet road dump the unused sheep. Job done. Herts Advertiser. 101 slaughter sheep found dumped near a farm between Radlett and St Albans. 6th 7th April
      Surplus to requirements.

  50. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/06/real-welfare-reform-saves-money-lives/

    IDS’ work with Glaswegian poverty – real work udnerstanding and monitoring it – was great, and the basis for universal credit.

    That Lefties hated UC was a sign it was a good thing.

    However, there’s a creeping issue. We have in work tax credits, where if you are taxed so heavily the government gives you some of your own money back. Then there’s the energy bill rebate, again, caused by taxation being too high.

    Now there’s talk of universal support, encouraging the ill to get back to work and on and on it goes, with the state getting ever bigger, taking ever more of our money and letting us keep ever less whle it takes ever more and gives some back in ever increasing amounts. Socialism is endemic now as the state continues to force ever more spending on pet projects and quangos to further agenda rather than simple service provision. They want to stop us driving and will make electricity unaffordable for electric cars when that comes through. The state wants to force us to stop flying, we know that.

    The currency is valueless, inflaton soaring – due to taxation and monetary expansion again, to fuel state waste.

    Are we being driven – forced – to universal income, to full blown controlled socialism? To absolute statist control where we have no choices, no freedoms and are forced to work, but receive nothing but what the state permits, regardless of what we do or our utility?

  51. Just been looking at a couple of YouTube sites and this popped up.
    A very brave and articulate girl who has openly talked about going through sexual abuse in Telford from the age of 5 !!!!

    https://youtu.be/ITcKOT9XRic

    I know it’s talked about here but thought this video was well worth adding to the list.

    1. It’s that the police visited her immediately after her TV interview with Mark Stein. Sodding intimidation, that.

      What were they thinking? Why did they do it? Telford plod deliberately ignored the rape of children by pakistani muslims for years.

      1. I found that shocking as well: if they needed to visit her, it should have been in a very humble and apologetic way.
        Unfortunately these are the times we now live in, disgusting as they may be.

      2. Maybe the members of the Police in Telford need to be sexually abused by gangs of Pakistanis rapists? It might make them more empathic with the victims of these monstrosities.

        .

  52. Maybe to lighten the mood….
    When I was a child, my mother went to church on Sunday evenings and Dad was left to entertain me and my brother. Dad came up with a plan; snacks and he began telling us stories about Simon and Pedro. A man and his donkey. Every Sunday evening when mother had left, we gathered to hear the next installment.
    Inevitably, Dad got fed up with the saga, after some weeks. End result, he killed off Simon and Pedro.
    Mother came home from church one evening to a house in uproar. “Simon and Pedro are dead!” we shrieked. In more modern parlance it would have been, ” Who the eff are Simon and Pedro?”
    My brother and I were inconsolable to such an extent that Dad tried to resurrect them the next Sunday. Didn’t work.
    RIP Simon and Pedro.
    Ah, the innocence of childhood.

    1. You were fortunate. I got dragged off to church with my mother for Evensong on a Sunday evening, and sometimes my poor father too. All i remember is a hard-backed, uncomfortable pew and an hour and a quarter of unmitigated tedium. But I did like the hymns, though.

      1. We didn’t go every week, but I remember one time when Tibby the cat decided she was coming too. It was a mile or so to walk and she stayed just behind us until the bit where there were no street lamps.

        When we came out of church she was nowhere to be seen until we heard a little squeak and she emerged from a garden hedge. She’d been waiting for us for more than an hour. She walked back home with us but I think that was the last time she came to church.

        1. Oh, that is so touching. Our little furry companions are so faithful. That was a long way for a cat to accompany you, usually the maximum is about 100 yards then they are off into their own lives.

          1. She was a lovely cat. She came to us as a stray when I was five. She’d followed a neighbour home from school but they couldn’t keep her as they already had a cat and a dog. So she came to us – my grandmother who was living with us couldn’t stand cats but Tibby stayed. She lived with us for 12 years till she died.

  53. The total number of people who have entered the United States illegally since President Joe Biden took office has climbed to 5.5 million, according to the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).
    Dan Stein, president of FAIR, shared the stark number during a recent interview on NTD’s “Capitol Report” program, which followed a recent announcement by the Biden administration that nearly 2.8 million illegal border crossers were stopped in the fiscal year ended in September, a record high.

    U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) disclosed the figures in a recent operational update that brought the total official number of illegal border crossers to around 4.4 million since Biden took office.
    Stein said FAIR arrived at the 5.5 million figure by adding to the 4.4 million an estimated 1.1 million who managed to evade capture and entered the United States undetected.
    “It’s pretty straightforward,” Stein said of the estimate. “There are typical projections that are confirmed by Census data of people who just run around—they call them ‘gotaways’—who enter without inspection, then disappear.”
    “If you look at the entire period, it’s about 5.5 million since Biden took office,” adding that FAIR projections estimate the cost to taxpayers to be $20 billion.

    Somehow when these folk get the opportunity to vote I don’t think it will be for Republicans. Must get down to the bookies tomorrow and put a £10 bet on Biden for a second term….

    1. I could tell you some details about many of these immigrants. But I won’t get into US politics on this site. Don’t even know why you lot are even interested.

      1. I don’t know if you’ve noticed but our American cousins seemed to be involved in the internal affairs of around 2/3rds of the World’s countries – not necessarily for the good….

        1. And GB has never been? They are not our cousins… America always comes first and always will. There is no special relationship- or if there is, it is only to suit the US.

          1. You are absolutely correct. With the demographic changes over the last century they are now rather distant cousins.

          2. My great, great, great grandfather was born an American but was a loyalist who fled to England in 1776.

          3. Please explain this is words of one syllable to the UK goverment. They seem to be of a different opinion.

      2. Like you, Ann I do not get into US politics here, but one thing I will say and that is there are no Government handouts for legal or illegal immigrants here.

    1. Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak. Our ‘Conservative‘ leaders don’t seem any better than an actress/princess/golddigger to me.

  54. I’ve just climbed the wooden hill for the last time today. It was like ww3 again opposite side of the road about 3 hours ago. More new commers mid 40s with very young children.
    There must be some sort of hidden point that drives people to play and display, with very loud fireworks.
    Not sure we had so many loud bangers when we did it, more colours and pops. Catherine wheels and sparklers.
    It’s all turned rather violent now.
    Good night all. May peace be with you.

    1. As Conway said yesterday, not a ban on fireworks but a rethink on the power that is put into these things; after all, where is the line in the sand? When they have gone nuclear? Fireworks in our day were sparklers, Mt Vesuvius, Catherine Wheels, Roman Candles, Prince of Wales Feathers, the noisiest being squibs (jumping crackers). These were all watched with a baked potato burning ones hands, having feasted on toffee apples and parkin watching the hypnotic glow of the bonfire, and as children listening to the adult’s conversations. Fireworks are so noisy we can hear the row from surrounding villages, not just our own. Last night was particularly noisy, noisier than it has been for years and we live in a small rural village of 300-ish homes – Perhaps because 5 November fell on a Saturday this year thus enabling people to hold parties and stay over, making a weekend of it.

    2. I fail to see the point of fireworks now – just empty your wallet on the fire…..same effect and quieter – and safer for animals

    3. I fail to see the point of fireworks now – just empty your wallet on the fire…..same effect and quieter – and safer for animals

  55. It’s simply not becoming for a knight to be boorish and rude
    Sir Gavin’s texts were a queasy mixture of profanity, menace and self-pity. Whatever happened to chivalric courtesy?

    Jane Shilling : https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/06/simply-not-becoming-knight-boorish-rude/

    BTL

    This foul man, Williamson, clearly had pretty strong evidence of some mammoth improprieties by Johnson which is why he got the knighthood. I wonder what this was? I also wonder what he now has on Sunak to be back in office?

  56. The ineffectual incompetent Liz Truss lasted 44 days. The stupid wench was confounded by her removal from office because she did afterall everything asked of her viz. more billions to Ukraine, kow-towing to a geriatric in the White House, demonising those questioning the absurd Green New Deal bollocks.

    She fell foul of her WEF masters by trying a new direction in economic policy to encourage investment and growth in our economy.

    Rishi Sunak, by contrast, ticked every WEF box and has (mistakenly) embarked on implementing every evil direction handed down by his masters.

    This country needs to wake up to the immense damage this diminutive alien brainwashed twit is setting about doing to destroy our country.

  57. Good morning all.
    Up early after a semi-sleepless couple of hours. Still as black as a parson’s cloak outside with 4½°C on the thermometer but not raining at the moment.

    1. Morning, Bob.
      Same here: 04:00 for a wee, then lie awake until 15 minutes before the alarm came on to wake me from deep slumber. Now feeling hung over… 🙁

        1. Large mug of coffee has started to repair the damage… and a snack of spaghetti bolognese left over from yerterday’s supper.
          Must away to work now…

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