660 thoughts on “Monday 2 December: Survivors of attacks call for the public to stand firm against terrorism”

    1. Ha and Good Morning, Grumps, You won’t be jumping about so chipper on Thursday morning, back in cold and damp Blighty. Enjoy your warmth and breezes while ye may. {:Ā¬)

      1. Here in north Shropshire it’s so cold the battery in the temperature sensor down the garden has stopped transmitting.

  3. I wonder if younger voters will be influenced by the deaths of the two young people murdered on Friday, both were signed up to the modern lefty progressive agenda that killed them, will they begin to wonder whether they have been badly advised, influenced and educated.

    1. Morning Bob. They were probably Special Branch! The reason Khan killed them and the explanation for the lack of the usual schmoozing!

    2. Could it be that many young people, especially city and large town dwelling types, live with daily reports of violence and this is just another event; move on, nothing much more to see here?
      Perhaps Sad Khant is right, these events are part and parcel of living in today’s ‘vibrant’ World. Those of much greater age and experience remember the more settled days and are rightly disturbed by these violent changes to our lives.

  4. Multiculturalism is undermining democracy. Spiked. Rakib Ehsan. 2 December 2019.

    For some time, our political class has been wedded to multiculturalism, championing difference and diversity over cohesion. In doing so, it has failed to articulate a set of moral standards that can tie together the UKā€™s diverse set of ethnic and religious groups.

    The UK could be on the verge of an identity-politics breakdown. And make no mistake: our politicians are reaping what they have sowed.

    Morning everyone. No! The rest of us are going to reap what they have sown, are indeed already doing so. The effects of multiculturalism go far beyond mere voting. It affects every aspect of life in the UK. Just to bring it about has required political deception and propaganda on a vast scale; the repression of majority native opinion, the destruction of their history. This is the explanation for the degradation and corruption of the Elites. They live in the lie they have created and to survive they must maintain it and will sacrifice anything to that end. The very title of this piece is false. It speaks of Democracy in the present tense when it is already dead. This is just a part of what they have sacrificed to the fraud that is multiculturalism. When it fails, as it must, it will bring down the rest!

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/12/02/multiculturalism-is-undermining-democracy/

    1. Good morning, Araminta.

      I’m listening to Ferrari on LBC and he is re-visiting Friday’s atrocity and the fallout from the political debate that has flowed out of that incident. I was going to write a little piece, however, reading your comment I realised that all I would achieve would be a weak echo of your comment. To summarise my thoughts: the establishment and the political class both have to be expunged, and soon, if the UK is to survive in a recognisable form.

    2. Should we allow people to wander around our streets with there faces pretty much totally hidden? In my view No. I don’t accept the claim people should be able to wear what they like in public. Freedom has boundaries on that basis you could argue people could go around naked or dressed in Ku Kliux Clan outfits. If people want to cover their face that’s fine in privater homes or in their religious building but that’s as far as it should go in the UK as well it is a sign of rudeness to hide you face away and not look at someone when being spoken to. There is also the aspect of crime. If faces are hidden identifying people become all but impossible. Strangely as well in most of the strict Muslim countries their are protest about wearing the Burka yet in the UK we almost encourage it

      1. You try wearing a Ku Klux Klan costume on the streets! I guarantee you will be arrested within 10 minutes!

  5. Survivors call for the public to stand firm against terrorism, do we need to recommission the old home guard, well respected local bank managers, local shopkeepers, church wardens and retired war heroes to patrol the streets and keep us safe.
    We might have trouble finding a local bank manager though, and shopkeepers.

    1. Morning all. Here they are the survivors…..

      SIR ā€“ Fridayā€™s attack was an assault attack on innocent people going about their business. We who have been injured, or who have lost loved ones in terror attacks, know what those families will be going through. Our thoughts and love are with them. We would also like to thank the heroes who stopped the attack from continuing on Friday.

      As survivors, we know how important it is that we all learn lessons from such attacks.

      The first request is for the public. Donā€™t give the terrorists what they want. Donā€™t share their videos and views, and donā€™t blame whole groups for their actions or give in to feelings of hate. Many of us have felt supported by public solidarity and kindness, and it helps more than you can know.

      The second request is for the media. Let the victims grieve and recover in private, and refrain from constantly sharing the goriest stories or splashing the attackersā€™ pictures on the front pages. Not only does this play into the hands of terrorists, it compounds the survivorsā€™ suffering.

      The third request is for politicians. We are sick of promises to look after victims, who then face months of delay for mental health support or years of waiting for compensation. We ask all parties to consult on and implement a new ā€œsurvivorsā€™ charterā€ that would guarantee them basic rights and services.

      Finally, we ask that you pass Martynā€™s Law, which would mandate all owners of events spaces to have in place a basic security plan.

      Gina Van Dort

      Survivor and wife of Chris Dyer, who died in the Tunisia attack in 2015

      Jo Berry

      Daughter of Sir Anthony Berry, who died in IRA Brighton attack in 1984

      Charlotte Dixon-Sutcliffe

      Partner of David Dixon, who died in the Brussels attack in 2016

      Brendan Cox

      Husband of Jo Cox MP, who died in 2016

      Travis Frain

      Survivor of the 2017 Westminster attack

      Figen Murray

      Mother of Martyn Hett, who died in the Manchester Arena attack in 2017

      Tony Scott

      Paris Bataclan 2015

      Justine Merton-Scott

      Paris Bataclan 2015

      Anna Woodbury

      Manchester Arena 2017

      Lydia Berkennou

      Paris Bataclan 2015

      Vicki Hillyard

      London 7/7

      Ruth Murrell

      Manchester Arena 2017

      Alex Marshall

      London 7/7 2005

      David Middleton

      Manchester Arena 2017

      Liz Campbell

      Tunisia 2015

      Marine Vincent

      London Bridge 2017

      Mike Haines

      Brother of Isis Hostage David Haines, died 2014

      Bethany Haines

      Daughter of David Haines

      Maggie Stephens

      Mother of Neil Bowler who died Bali 2002

      Sue Smith

      Manchester Arena 2017

      Rachel Crowcroft

      Manchester Arena 2017

      Joanne McVey

      London 7/7 2005

      Andrea Bradbury

      Manchester Arena 2017

      Richard Parry

      London 7/7 2005

      Jayne Drew

      Manchester Arena 2017

      George Roskilly

      London 7/7 2005

      Family of James McMullan

      London Bridge 2017

      Eloise Walker

      London 7/7 2005

      Geoff Ho

      London Bridge 2017

      Caroline Owen

      Manchester Arena 2017

      Mandy Ward

      Manchester Arena 2017

      Stephen M Flatow

      Father of Alisa, murdered by Islamic Jihad

      Lisa Fenton

      Manchester Arena 2017

      Jo Gittins

      London 7/7

      Rachel Crowcroft

      Manchester Arena 2017

      Paige Smith

      Manchester Arena 2017

      Jo Aaron

      Manchester Arena

      Keith Chapman

      Westminster 2017

      Tim Coulson

      London 7/7 2005

      Karen and Emily Orchard

      Manchester Arena 2017

      Cheryl and Matthew Stollery

      Wife and son of John Stollery killed in Tunisia, 2015

      Claire Walker

      Manchester Arena 2017

      Lizzie Comba

      London 7/7 2005

      Mandy Ward

      Manchester Arena 2017

      Jennie Vaughan

      Manchester Arena 2017

      Garri Holness

      London 7/7 2005

      Diane Phillips

      Manchester Arena 2017

      Debbie Free

      Tunisia 2015

      Barbara Whittaker

      Manchester Arena 2017

      Marie Drago

      London Bridge 2017

      Mariesha Payne

      Paris Bataclan 2015

      Elaine Young

      London 7/7 2005

      Michelle Hussain

      Manchester Arena 2017

      Sudhesh Dahad

      London 7/7 2005

      Trevor Lakin

      Father of Jez who died Sharm el Sheik 2005

      Marie Henstock

      Sister in law of David Dixon who died Brussels 2016

      Zoe, Sheelagh and Barry Alexander

      Family of Nick who died Paris Bataclan 2015

      Lisa French

      London 7/7 2005

      Nadar Mozakka

      Husband of Behnaz Mozakkawho who died London 7/7 2005

      James Hodder

      Partner of Kirsty Boden who died London Bridge 2017

      Jacqui Putnam

      London 7/7 2005

      Zoe Thompson

      Tunisia 2015

      John and Angela Corke

      Parents of Annalie Vickers who died Sharm el Sheik 2005

      Anne Stuart

      Parsons Green, London 2017

      2. It was alright until I saw the name Brendan Cox whose wife was not killed by a terrorist.

        2. Brendan Cox lost his job because he kept touching up the women in the place where he worked.

          Had his wife not been murdered by a madman the couple would almost certainly be divorced by now.

          I wonder how the Left would have reacted if this unfortunate woman had been murdered by a genuine Muslim terrorist?

      3. I see Brendan Cox has weasled his way in, in order to gain more sympathy.

        I trust that this has been sent to the Muslim Council so that they may gloat over it.

      5. The survivors: “donā€™t blame whole groups for their actions or give in to feelings of hate”

        They still don’t understand the basis of Islam…

  6. Letā€™s hear it for the geographers.

    SIR ā€“ As a teacher of geography for more than 30 years, I take exception to Professor Danny Dorlingā€™s comments (report, November 27). One of the subjectā€™s great virtues is that geographers have to be both numerate and literate, and are therefore the great all-rounders of the academic world.

    Geography was never a ā€œmachoā€ subject, as he claimed, as many of the girls in my mixed A-level classes went on to read it at universities, including Oxford.

    I was also lucky enough to take school expeditions (perhaps chosen because of my name) to places such as the Hindu Kush, Borneo and Ecuador, and there were always plenty of girls on the teams.

    Dr David Livingstone

    Calne, Wiltshire

  7. Morning again

    SIR ā€“ Britain remains politically wedded to a ā€œfree at the point of needā€ health service, which means that patients now commonly wait two weeks for a routine GP appointment.

    Inevitably, they resort to Aā€‰ &ā€‰ E departments, which indirectly benefits practices, as each GPā€™s salary is based on achieving a specified list of clinical targets. Bizarrely, these do not include appropriate access to appointments.

    Surely an appointment within 48 hours should be top of the list. It would inevitably entail extra targeted incentives for practices, but these incentives could pay for themselves.

    Dr Ron Thew

    Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire

    SIR ā€“ If the NHS is to buy medicine and equipment from suppliers in America (and many other countries), this does not mean it is for sale.

    The RAF has bought F-35 jets from America (though some of the components are British-sourced) and, as far as I know, the RAF is not for sale.

    Simon McIlroy

    Croydon, Surrey

    1. MOH tells me that Italy paid 51million euros per F35, whilst Britain paid 100million euros per F35, so not many components can be British sourced.

      Has anyone got the link please?

  9. Letā€™s hear it for the Brits occasionally….

    SIR ā€“ I worked in Nigeria in the timber trade in the early Sixties (Letters, November 29). In one of our logging areas, overgrown by jungle, we came across a monument to the traders massacred by the Oba of Benin in 1896 when he had disregarded an earlier peace treaty.

    The attitude of Cambridge University shows a misunderstanding of the history of this affair and fails to see any of the benefits to the local people of a generally benign British presence.

    Our Nigerian timber and sawmill business, which was run in a fully sustainable way, was active from 1928 to the mid- Seventies. It not only employed almost 1,000 people but also contributed widely to the local infrastructure by generating electricity, pumping water, maintaining roads and building bridges. We also built houses and developed the local school and church.

    David Latham

    Little Hadham, Hertfordshire

    1. Tut. Imperialism. Colonialism. Disrespecting cultural norms.
      How very dare the Brits try to save the lives of and bring a measure of civilisation to those contented subjects of the Oba of Benin.
      What a load of brass c0ck.

  10. Former French President Francois Hollande CREDIT: KENA BETANCUR/AFP

    SIR ā€“ It surprises me that in their line of attack on Jeremy Corbynā€™s spending promises and socialist manifesto pledges, the Conservatives and the media at large have missed the opportunity to point out the single most historically and geographically relevant example of such socialism.

    Venezuela, Seventiesā€™ Britain and even communist East Germany have been deployed as examples of what such policies do to an economy and to society as a whole, but no one has pointed to the recent failure of FranƧois Hollandeā€™s government in France between 2012 and 2017.

    Mr Hollandeā€™s administration provides us with a powerful study of the effects of outright socialism on a modern economy and society. Yet I have never heard a Tory speak of Mr Hollandeā€™s socialist record: a flight of wealth created by his taxation policies, some of the most persistent structural unemployment in Western Europe exacerbated by his anti-business stance, or the weakest growth of any major Western economy, despite his failure to deal with Franceā€™s deficit.

    Furthermore, the damage socialism caused to the fabric of French society through its economic failure is seen in the growth of fascist ideology, principally in the rise of Marine Le Pen and the National Front.

    Surely this example of modern, relevant socialism provides more of a warning to voters than the evocation of an ever more distant era of unions and minersā€™ strikes, or economic crisis in a developing South American nation?

    Timothy Flett

    Perth

    SIR ā€“ I am surprised that the Conservative Party has not made more of the fact that the Labour Party is funded by the unions to the tune of 98.4 per cent, which highlights where the true power really lies.

    The RMT strike over Christmas is just a little taster of what to expect if Labour gets the keys to No 10.

    Stephen Hitch

    Ivybridge, Devon

  11. Beeb headline news this morning on how ‘global warming’ is leading to food insecurity for 30 million in Africa. How convenient there was no mention of the disastrous farm appropriation policies being pursued in Rhodesia and South Africa….

  12. There’s a delicious catfight going on in classical music circles between the modernist Moritz Eggert and the father of high romantic Alma Deutscher. They clearly do not appreciate one another’s styles, and Deutscher, whose relatives perished in the Holocaust made the Fawltyesque error when mentioning the war to Eggert, who is based in what was the National Socialist HQ in Munich. Eggert offered the teenage Alma Deutscher lessons in “proper” composition in his institute in Munich.

    “So friends, today I want to tell you a little story, about a German professor called Moritz Eggert – no, I havenā€™t heard of him either, until a week or so ago. But he teaches at the Music University in Munich, which is housed in the former FĆ¼hrerbau der NSDAP (the FĆ¼hrer building of the National Socialist Party). This building must have given Mr Eggert a lot of food for thought over the years.

    His main pleasure in life is torturing musical instruments. His greatest masterpiece to date is modestly called just ā€˜Organā€™, but behind this modest title, there lies a wealth of fantasy and imagination. Mr Eggert explores with passion and originality all the imaginable and unimaginable ways in which one can torture an organ. The organ is pricked, stabbed, and all sorts of object are cut into its body until it cries with pain. At first, it sobs gently, just quietly begging for mercy. But each cry is answered with more brutal torture, each plea for mercy is answered with more pain. So as this wonderful piece progresses, the screams get more intense, the wails and the howling get louder, the pleas for mercy more desperate. By the end of this orgy of wailing and pain, the martyred organ gives up the ghost.

    This is all heavenly music to Mr Eggertā€™s ears. You can listen to his masterpiece here: https://youtu.be/poUZ0b7Cbes.

    When Mr Eggert manages to find a bit of free time away from torturing organs, he loves verbally abusing little girls on his public blog, especially if they have an annoyingly pompous Jewish name, like, Ƥh, Alma Deutscher. What fun it is to mock them for their name and demonize them as an ā€˜instrument of arch-reactionary forcesā€™.

    Mr Eggert also does not particularly like Almaā€™s music. It is not ā€˜interestingā€™ enough for him: no screams of pain, no wails, no blood, no agony ā€“ in short, no fun. And when this annoying little girl with an annoying little name dares calls for some tolerance to beauty and melody, Mr Eggert really cannot hold his anger any longer. ā€œHow dare you call for tolerance!ā€, he barks at her. ā€œShut your little mouth up, and come immediately to ā€˜studyā€™ with us in the FĆ¼hrerbau. We will get these ideas out of your head soon enough!ā€

    Well, I think we all need to thank Mr Eggert for his kind invitation for Alma to study with him. Alma knows he has so much to teach her about torturing organs and other instruments. The only problem is (and how can we break it gently to Mr Eggert, without hurting his tender feelings?): Alma does not actually want to torture organs! Silly girl that she is, she just wants to compose beautiful music.

    So unfortunately, Mr Eggertā€™s services will not be required in this case. However, we should recommend a much more profitable outlet for his talents. He should sell his services to the interrogators in Guantanamo Bay. Just imagine how effective his ā€˜Organā€™ could be if used in the right way. The hardest terrorists would break down after just a couple of hours listening to Mr Eggertā€™s heavenly music, and would own up to anything. ā€œPlease, pleeeeassase! Iā€™ll do whatever you want! ANYTHING ā€“ just donā€™t make me listen to this masterpiece again!ā€. Think of the enormous market for Mr Eggertā€™s services: CIA, MI6, Mossad ā€“ theyā€™ll pay millions. Heā€™s in the wrong profession.

    Anyway folks, please donā€™t worry about continuing the discussion on Mr Eggertā€™s blog. It was in fact a mistake on my part to engage with him on his blog in the first place, and expect to be treated with fairness and decency. It is not dignified to conduct the discussion on his blog. We should not give him that honour. But I promise you, we will continue the discussion in the future, but in a very different way and on a completely different platform.

    But for now, there is only thing we must beg Mr Eggert not to do: whatever happens, he should please please never say that he likes Almaā€™s music. Because if this ever happened, Alma would have to bury her head in shameā€¦

    But letā€™s now concentrate on much more pleasant matters, and I thank you all for your wonderful support for Alma.
    Guy Deutscher”

      1. Good morning Geoff.
        I was wondering what your thoughts would be.
        It would be nice if a few others put some comments up on the YT page.

    2. My response to that piece:-

      Sorry, but what a heap of shonet.
      This is not music but someone making a fool out of the music industry.
      Modern music? Give me Alma Deutscher any day.

        1. It’ll be interesting to see what sort of a response I get.
          It seems Herr Eggert is so unrecoverably up his own arsehole.

    3. We went to an organ recital in the church of Saint Malo in Dinan where one of the organists from Notre Dame de Paris played for us.

      As I write, Caroline is in this church practising with a friend a quatre mains organ arrangement of Christmas carols which they will perform at the music school in Dinan tomorrow night.

      1. We were there about 10 days ago – what a delightful church and an even more delightful town.

    4. The only organ it reminds me of is the ear – when MB’s hearing aid batteries need replacing.

    5. I’m not averse to a little bit of the old avant-garde but holy organ stops, Batman – that is utter shite.

      1. Did you leave a reply on the YouTube page to that effect?
        It would be a nice idea to prick Mr. Eggert’s balloon.

          1. Last night, we were at the Shaftsbury Theatre for the Stagecoach charity gala.
            As I watched school after school indulge themselves in ‘significant’ contortions to pretentious pop music that was all gloom and doom, dance routines like this film sprang into my mind.
            When did show dancing change from from snappy spirit lifting displays to shuffling your bum on the floor and writhing around like a demented octopus?
            p.s. The icing on the cake was compere named Tarquin. (No, I am NOT making it up.)

          2. I suspect around the time Victor Silvester hung up his baton and the medallion and bling bedecked faux gangstas started to infest the airwaves. I will however observe that your description of contemporary dancing has been around for ages and is called Dad Dancing 8^)

    2. Living at the bottom of a valley I rarely see a good sunrise and the sunsets tend to be a bit curtailed too.

      1. Light frost and clear blue sky from where I’m sitting with the odd contrail on high.

  15. Morning, Campers.
    Gourmet guide.
    Cafe Pacifico have altered their menu; it is now lighter – both in texture and on the chilli.
    Apparently the change was made about 2 years ago, so that shows how long it is since we last visited.

  16. I was sitting at the computer the other day & called out to my wife,

    “When I die, I’m going to leave everything to you, love!”

    She shouted back “You already do, you lazy bastard!”

    2. Heyup all!
      A chilly -3Ā°C in the yard this morning just now.

      I would love to know what the signatories of the lead letter mean by “Not giving in to terrorism”.

      1. I think it means only having your handbag checked at the theatre entrance, rather than stripping down to your undercrackers.

        1. Morning AS,
          Political submission has been in vogue for a long time and finds many a supporter.
          When you have parties
          still in powerful positions with NO real
          opposition after what the JAY report revealed & find the odious issue is still being fed on a daily basis then that nation has real problems & their children in dire danger.

        2. We should all know by now that accepting terrorism as inevitable is not giving in to it; trying to do something positive about it is giving in to terrorism.

          I fear that many of us here should be sent on re-education courses to sort out our thinking.

      3. Morning Bob,
        I do believe it means
        keep support / votes up for the lab/lib/con mass uncontrolled immigration coalition party for a steady intake.
        Truth being we will never be able to take this nation down without electoral help via the polling booth.
        .

  18. ‘Exploited’ workers propping up the building sector

    Who would have thought it. Mass migration drives down pay and standards an allows builders to use cheap Labour working for Ā£3 to Ā£4 an hour

    t’s seven o’clock in the morning at a major builders merchants in East London. By the roundabout outside, men gather, hunched over, smoking cigarettes.
    Each time a car or van passes, they straighten up and stick out their thumbs – hoping for a day’s work from the passing building trade.
    Sometimes they get lucky – someone will lean out of the window, a price will be agreed, and they hop in the back to be driven off onto the busy dual carriageway.
    One man, Victor, tells us he charges Ā£50 to Ā£60 for a day’s work: “Sometimes more, sometimes less. But it’s better than Romania. What can I say? I don’t have documents.”

    These are the jobbing construction workers providing a cheap and ready supply of labour for the UK’s building industry.

  19. Roll Up Roll Up Santa Corbyn comes bearing more gifts

    30% cheaper rail fare and free rail travel for under 16’s. Apparently he went over to hi allotment at the weekend and found a magic money tree that he did not think he had

  20. Ted Baker probes Ā£25m stock overstatement

    They must be using the Dianna Abbot school of economics as this Ā£25M of stock they have in the book but does not exist will not affect their figures

    Fashion retailer Ted Baker has said it may have overstated the value of its stock by between Ā£20m and Ā£25m.
    Law firm Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer is to carry out a review, and independent accountants will also be appointed to investigate.
    Ted Baker said it did not expect any cash impact, but one analyst said the timing was “less than ideal”.

  21. don’t know if anyone has posted this BTL Comment yet, but:-

    Infidelus Maximus 2 Dec 2019 2:53AM
    UKā€™s societal demise was not only inevitable, it was prophesied.

    The establishment and media enthusiastically demonised and besmirched all of those stating those prophesies, even to the point of banning them from entering the country whilst simultaneously throwing out the welcome mat to the most radical hate preachers and liars on the planet.

    Sweden did it, France did it, Germany did it, Netherlands did it, Belgium did it, Spain is now following suit.

    Italy stopped it through Salvini, so he had to be got rid of…..and was.

    Now Italy is back in the globalist fold.

    The only countries were these levels of crime and terrorism are non-existent are Hungary, Poland, Slovenia and Czech Republic. What do they all have in common ? Pride in their history, culture, and values.

    Precisely why the globalists and EU Politburo are threatening them.

    Everyone knows exactly what needs to be done, but no politician has the guts to say it as they would be destroyed.

    Anyone who says ā€œDiversity is our strengthā€ is an enemy of social stability and knows full well it is a weakness to be exploited as it ultimately leads to tribalism. Historically, how has that worked out ?

    The world is a cultural crossroads after decades of educational indoctrination and propaganda of itā€™s youth and the West is now reaping the negative impacts if it.

    2. I have been following what’s been going on in Austria with their popular Conservative chancellor-elect Sebastian Kurz.

      He was threatened by the EU Commission after receiving a complaint from the UN that Austria was not sufficiently Islam-friendly, after Kurz’s Coalition insisted that Muslims be fluent in German, be respectful of Austrian customs and traditions, and are not allied to hostile neo-Ottoman elements. He closed a number of mosques and ejected a number of imams under this ruling.

      Earlier this year, Kurz was then downed by a sting operation involving a false Russian diplomat on his Coalition partners, the FPƖ, who then turned round and voted him out of office on a vote of No Confidence with the Social Democrats.

      There has now been an election, with Kurz’s party far and away the most popular, but no overall majority. He has the option of forming a majority coalition with either the FPƖ, the Social Democrats, or the Greens. On the strength of this, the Austrian President gave Kurz back his Chancellorship, providing he can form such a coalition. It seems that whole process has stalled, and the caretaker is still in place right now.

      Can anyone update me. How does this affect Austria’s capacity to resist hostile Islamist infiltration?

      1. It seems that Kurz is moving towards a Coalition with the Greens.

        ā€œThe Greens have strong positions on the environment and the climate,
        which arenā€™t easy for us to swallow, but for which theyā€™ve been
        elected,ā€ Kurz said. ā€œOn the other hand, we have very clear positions
        about migration, security, economy and taxes, and weā€™ve been elected for
        those.ā€

        ā€œThere will have to be a new form of governing,ā€ he said.

  22. BBC:

    Political leaders and climate diplomats are meeting in Madrid for two weeks of talks amid a growing sense of crisis.

    Although not a gambling man, I’d bet a pound to a pinch of that this is an extravagant event with a giant carbon footprint. The Hollywood ‘film-set’ picture at the top of the article shouts to me that it is.

    If these folk were serious about the issue, the event would be held in an aircraft hangar with the most spartan of surroundings.

    P.S. 8Ā° Centipede in here when I got up and my winter woollies are keeping my carbon footprint down.’

    1. Train Drivers pay to be increased to a Ā£100K a year and all trains to have a guard in each carriage and all trains to have a second driver on board and fares will be reduce to by 30% and all rail staff will get free travel for themselves and any relatives no matter how distant. For EU nationals who have relatives not in the UK they will be entittled to free rail travel in the country they are resident

  25. Some may think this comment cruel

    The two dead academics were ignorant naive puppies for all their “education” who thought they could reach out to rabid wolves and cure them

    Whence came this mindset?? From their Leftard Eloi parents,classic “Don’t look back in anger” types even when their children lie in pools of blood

    “Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by

    legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can’t help being stupid.

    But stupidity is the only universal capital crime: the sentence is

    death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically

    and without pity”.Robert A. Heinlein

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8bd144d5f64a57014f14993819aa9ecd94977e5d141bf04cba3c0dd568d7917.png

    2. Perhaps this is a result of being allowed to grow up as a snowflake? Anything even mildly nasty is avoided, so you cannot recognise when there is something horrible that may, or will, happen.
      Like kids growing up in sterile environment never catching a bug, then when they do, it’s really serious and lays them out. Same with risk – if you never take risks, you never learn that the outcome may well be painful – but start small and work up!

      1. Exactly so,Paul,it’s the same mindset that sees young girls backpacking in moslem countries
        What could possibly go wrong……………………

        2. Whilst it should be safe for anyone to go anywhere, sense indicates that it isn’t, so it’s likely not a good idea.

  26. Curious, the resident down voter seems to be in opposition to any anti paedophilia / terrorism / all round nasty issues, fashioning itself on moriarty perhaps ?

  27. ā€œļ»æ Mr Merritt and Ms Jones were both University of Cambridge graduates,
    and had been attending an event for the university’s Learning Together
    programme – which focuses on prisoner rehabilitation – when they were
    attacked.
    Prof Stephen J Toope said: “What should have been a joyous
    opportunity to celebrate the achievements of this unique and socially
    transformative programme, hosted by our Institute of Criminology, was
    instead disrupted by an unspeakable criminal act.ā€œ

    Just in case you need a translation:

    achievements = failure
    transformative = total failure
    disrupted = premeditated violent stabbing

    1. One has to admire their optimism and positive attitude. It’s a real sadness that they found out that the world is actually a miserable bastard place, in such a nasty manner.

        1. Well… they obviously saw more good in people than the average person does, and that’s positive. To let that conquer reality is gullible.

          1. From the Mail:

            ‘I write so my words become a soothing light’: How London Bridge
            terrorist Usman Khan wrote a poem of THANKS to rehabilitation programme
            and appeared laughing in its brochure – before murdering two young staff
            members in knife rampage”

            https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7744689/London-Bridge-terrorist-Usman-Khan-radicalised-teenager-seen-laughing-9-11-videos.html

            https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/12/01/23/21687978-7744689-image-a-2_1575242375494.jpg

    2. My link below discusses spies .. Cambridge spies ..

      Cambridge radicalises .. The seat of all who aspire to leftyism perhaps?

      Universities are full of coercive elements .. they should all be be examined closely . Academics seem to be getting more and more radical ..
      Isn’t that why the BBC is trying to programme us all?

    3. Stephen Toope is a fool. And a Canadian human rights specialist… Which amounts to the same thing. I note, in the same vein, that Carney, another Canadian snowflake has got himself a nice little earner as UN Special Envoy on Climate Change…
      Toope:
      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Stephen_Toope%2C_McGill_University%2C_Law_Convocation_Ceremony%2C_June_1%2C_2017.jpg/440px-Stephen_Toope%2C_McGill_University%2C_Law_Convocation_Ceremony%2C_June_1%2C_2017.jpg

    4. Perhaps he needs to substantially review the course as it is clearly not working. Perhaps he also needs to carry out a proper risk assessment of this course rather then live in his university bubble land and also perhaps he need to ensure all the relevant authorities have been informed before he sets up any more courses

        1. Was a risk assessment carried out> Gathering a number o people who have criminal records and many if not all are out on licence must present a risk and why an earth were not all the monitoring authorities informed

          It seem to me that this letting them out on licence and monitoring of them dos not mean anything as they don’t seem to enforce anything

          WE still have Danny Cotton heading the LFB yet in my view she fell woefully below the standard need for that job

          She had no processes or training i place for High Rise fires and no process or training in pace for evacuating high rise buildings. Given it is London which has hundred of high rise building she should have had processes and training in place. There was even government guidance that covered all these things. Mind you thing are no better at the Met

  28. Morning Each,
    So kahn was seen as a success through the eyes of the learning together program, with two dead as a result.
    Viewed through the eyes of the current ever present potential terrorist a great success.
    Reality being that on day of release should trigger
    deportation for him, family, friends, health & safety of a people / nation surely dictates this.
    To repeat my feelings PC / Appeasement can & will kill.
    By the by you cannot make a croc. a pet.

  29. Corbyn on early release from prison for convicted terrorists: “it depends on what they’ve done in prison”

    From Conservative Woman:
    “Regarded as a model convict who apparently engaged willingly with the Governmentā€™s Prevent and Desistance and Disengagement programmes intended to derardicalise extremists, earlier this year [Usman Khan] had attended a Whitehall event under police escort, which apparently went so well that he was invited to participate in Fridayā€™s seminar.”

    Hmmm.

    2. Morning Ims,
      From the same acting school as the political inmates of parliament.
      All with treachery in mind.

      1. It’s called Taqiyah.

        It’s not new (except to British politicians!)

        You can look it up on the internet.

    3. Corbyn is a cretin.

      cretin – Urban Dictionary

      Person that is: brainless, stupid, child-like, and full of pointless information that makes no sense and appeals only to other cretins.

    1. I was fascinated to read that the narwhale tusk is actually formed from a tooth and has 10million active nerve endings. They use it like a club rather than a spike: using it as a spike is left to us humans.

        1. “It is now illegal to nurse and return to the wild any members of the invasive species. …. The EU regulations are aimed at controlling ā€œexoticā€ species that put native plants and wildlife at risk.” Was that part of the new regulations happening on London Bridge the other day?

  33. Thomas Cook maintenance arm to close

    No surprise when its main role was to maintain Thomas Cook aaircraft

    The aeroplane maintenance arm of Thomas Cook is set to shut its doors two months after the tour operator collapsed into administration, the Insolvency Service has said.
    Thomas Cook Aircraft Engineering, based in Manchester, will be wound down and close as the group is liquidated.

    1. Engineering was kept going to return to service the aircraft that were undergoing maintenance. I thought it had finally shut down a few weeks ago. Jet2 seems to have jumped in to take up the slack in the holiday market and quite a few of the employees have jobs there.

    1. You can almost sense that “Zack Kanter” has never kissed a girl and obsesses over his tiny genitals. He prays that one day some hard-bitten female socialist will get very drunk and “reward” him for his wimpish devotion to the cause. He will then be so disappointed when this night never arrives, as that type of female has no interest at all in lesser beta-males of his calibre.

      He will then seek solace in the arms of another lonely and desperate socialist male, which will transform his life. He will change his name to Agatha and move to Brighton to raise alpaca’s for their wool.

      Poor Zack and people like him. If they ever managed to create this fairy-tale society they have been told of, they will discover the Marxist boot on their necks, as they are forced to toil in the fields growing potatoes. The freedoms that he has now to play student politics will be gone. The Marxists oppress the people far more than our society ever has.

      2. The link that he uses at the top is to a page that looks real, but his own link appears to say that he was parodying people who think this way. He says:

        “I read every reply until my twitter crashed and now am starting on the email death threats.”

        Which shows that you can be too clever by half. If he does not realise that there are people who think exactly these things, and that they have no sense of humour, then he needs to get off twitter and start using talk systems where longer messages convey meaning.

  36. Holly Willoughby earned Ā£500k for last year’s I’m A Celebrity… Get Me Out Of Here as her Ā£23k A DAY presenting fee is revealed

    We have our values wrong when presenters get paid vast amounts for what is basically an unskilled job. She is paid through a company but even that is a bit strange as shell basically works for ITV most of the time so is she really self employed? I would say not

      1. Ā£500 a day for the presenting would be more than enough and for !m a Celebrity Ā£50K would have been more than enough

        I would freeze the pay of presenters-celebrities or what ever they call themselves and use the saving to increase the pay or nurses etc either that or put a special tax on them

      1. Not knickers – underpants. It’s someone transgendering. The evidence lies on the ground, although it does seem an extreme case.

    1. While I agree with Johnson’s statement it has to be taken in the context that we’re in an election period and many promises/pledges are made and then quickly forgotten. Let’s wait and see what Johnson does if he’s successful on the 12th. As for Corbyn, no surprise there as Richard Sk’s list of Corbyn’s little shop of horrors clearly shows.

      1. The Tories have been in power since 2010, during which time immigration (EU and non-EU) has gone through the roof. This despite numerous manifesto pledges to reduce immigration to “tens of thousands.” Even Priti Patel, the only apparent Thatcherite in that party talks about people wanting ‘control’ but not neccessarily a reduction in numbers.

        Judge them by the actions, not their words after a terrorist attack and just before an election!

    2. Morning HK,
      In the real world mass terrorism should not be contaminating these Isles at all,
      it is only fools abusing their right to vote by not voting right that gives terrorism oxygen.

      2. The competition is hotting up for the endless End of Year Awards. It is particularly close in the race to see who will be voted as the worst Conservative prime minister of the 21st Century so far.

        The early betting suggested that Theresa May would romp home well clear of David Cameron but recent polling suggests that there is a late surge for Boris Johnson which could well take him ‘over the line’.

  40. A couple of weeks ago I caught a local mouser taking some rays on a cold morning. Well, my neighbour’s raised shed roof is obviously the warmest and safest spot around as this morning I caught this more frequent visitor doing the same thing.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6cd215420e49aba85d8dd28fcf90531486f9fb9c73b10ae5f62b9c87d5b1926d.jpg

    What I didn’t expect when I got into position to photograph the fluffy grey, was this:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/436e749046f249922f4acd3f9377bf77b4fc9976fc5b255ff47acd9144b7ede5.jpg

    Not exactly mates but a little bit of give and take. Plenty of rays out there for both of them.

        1. Laws and punishment aren’t just there for those who have been killed, or their surviving relatives

          They are also there for those who might be killed in future and perhaps be sufficient deterrent to maybe save their lives altogether.

          1. I’d like to see all those who commit terrorist offences tried, not before a civil court, but by a military tribunal and if judged guilty, executed within the hour. No mitigating circumstances to be heard and no appeal allowed.

            (Draco, eat your heart out!)
            ;Ā¬)

          2. Afternoon DM,
            Beg to differ, do not make martyrs, life plus life, take the cost out of overseas aid, to in many cases, despots.

          3. No, these people will never respect us so let’s teach them to fear us. Let’s give them some martyrs, the more the merrier.

            Always room for another martyr.

          4. DM,
            I do respect your views but, to me giving them status & credibility is not the answer dying in
            incarceration is denying them that,IMO.

          5. The martyrs here are the two kuffar aid workers and deserve their place in heaven. Their souls will be loved by those on Earth, blessed by those who come before, and will welcome those who come after to paradise.

            The killer, as with all those who make holy martyrs out of the infidel, will go straight away to hell to roll to eternity in dog poo and pig muck – he is no martyr, and that deluded Muslim has been deceived and lied to.

        2. Bob – you can see why “Alex D” responded in the way that he did. Your advice for young people to think about the real world would completely undermine 90% of the nonsense that they are told is the truth. Those who want to control them with slogans cannot let that idea get about.

  43. Man arrested in London ‘for breaching conditions under terror law’

    So much for their monitoring. It clearly was not really happening as just days after the attack in London they are now when they are actually checking finding endless breaking of their conditions of release

    A 23-year-old man has been arrested in north London under the Counter Terrorism Act. The man was held on suspicion of breaching notification requirements under the 2008 act. He was arrested on Sunday by officers from the Metropolitan Police Counter Terrorism Command and remains in custody at a south London police station. Scotland Yard said the arrest ā€œis not linked in any way to the London Bridge terror attackā€ and that the inquiry was under way before Fridayā€™s atrocity.

    1. BJ,
      Keep in mind that terrorist & potential
      terrorist,have votes also, and that is taken into account and protected under
      the PC / Appeasement umbrella,ask yourself where would we be as a nation if we did without
      PC /Appeasementism ?

  44. Expenditure on:Charitable activities14,773,000
    Raising funds13,409,000
    Hmm,last year I donated to Crisis at Christmas by reflex without checking the accounts,after a year of charity debacles I thought I’d check,not happy with the figures above
    9 staff on 60k plus and a CEO into 6 figures
    Time to look at the local churches putting on Christmas lunches and other help

    1. !0% cost for raising funds would be acceptable . It is though typical of what goes on in so called charities. If you task the 10%% it is Ā£1M5. Remember as well most the charities staff are unpaid volunteers.

    2. ‘Morning, Rik.

      To many, Christmas is still an important religious celebration and I find it singularly distasteful that these overpaid apparatchiks exploit its name – and folk’s natural generosity at this time – to line their pockets.

      They can have no shame.

    3. Becoming more popular here in Norway is inviting a single old person round for Christmas dinner, so they don’t have Christmas on their own. It started a few years ago when an old lady advertised for someone who wanted a temporary granny for Christmas – and she was snowed under with offers.

      3. Does the old person have to do all the washing up?
        Joking aside (never!) we used to take in a couple of students at Xmas. It was useful for the children to meet foreigners. The students were from amongst those who lived so far away that they could not afford to return home at Xmas. We had a couple of Malaysians one year, Italians the next. I forget the others.

    4. My church in Fulham provides lunch for the homeless (and some who are just lonely) every Thursday throughout the year. The Vicaress is very pc and goes on about helping Syrian refugees etc but the actual work in the parish is sound. The Upper Room project in Hammersmith does good work too. Staffed by volunteers and donations spent on food and toiletries.

    5. What’s the total gross income ? I think my own favourite charity spends a third on top management.
      Published accounts show a great deal more than they used to, but they still hide a multitude of sins.

    6. This is Intriguing Crisis at Christmas is defunct it become Crisis but Crisis has been Removed from the Charity Commissions Web site but now seems to appear under another number E&W 1082947 (Not the E&W is not part of the number it indicated England and Wales

      Looking at the latest account the Income is almost Ā£41M with expenditure of Ā£39M7
      That includes Ā£25M on Charitable activities

      This is from the summary but quite often that hides a lot things

      https://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1082947&SubsidiaryNumber=0

  48. The extraordinary heroism of ā€˜ordinaryā€™ people. Spiked Julie Burchill. 2 december 2019.

    There will also be the usual platitudes about ā€˜not giving in to hateā€™, which means not expressing any anger and singing ā€˜Kumbayaā€™ while waving candles instead. If we say anything even slightly heated we are apparently in some way as bad as the attackers. But on the contrary, you give in to hate when you allow a violent fascist ideology free rein. As Christopher Hitchens said, ā€˜The barbarians never take a city until someone holds the gates open to them ā€“ and itā€™s your own multicultural authorities who will do it for youā€™. With each new attack we are told that this has ā€˜nothing to do with Islamā€™ ā€“ but even if thatā€™s so, weā€™d be justified in thinking that Islam certainly attracts a higher proportion of murderous maniacs than any setup since the Manson Family.

    Hmmm. Seems a little normal for Burchill! Almost worthy of being a Nottler! I canā€™t see her posting this in the Guardian. Have these people been let off the leash!

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/12/02/the-extraordinary-heroism-of-ordinary-people/

    1. SIR ā€“ Initial praise for the security services following Fridayā€™s London Bridge attack has moved on to criticism of their failure to track the terrorist involved and the reduction of their terror warning to ā€œsubstantialā€.

      There does not, however, appear to be any suggestion that this known terrorist should have been detained for the protection of the public.

      Usman Khan had previously plotted to bomb the Stock Exchange and was initially given an indeterminate sentence, with a minimum jail term of eight years. His appeal against this sentence was upheld by the Court of Appeal and replaced with a fixed-term sentence of 18 years, meaning that he was released after half his sentence.

      Surely this policy should now be reviewed, so that terrorists who have been found guilty by our courts should be detained indefinitely.

      John Stewart

      Terrick, Buckinghamshire

    2. This can never been posted often enough; nothing has changed in 2,000 years:

      ā€œA nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.ā€

      ā€• Marcus Tullius Cicero

    3. A comment:-

      ROBERT SPOWART
      2nd December 2019 at 12:26 pm

      Your comment is awaiting moderation.

      And what is ā€œIslamophobia and why, in their efforts to stir up division do so many people ignore the most pertinent question, ā€œWhat is it about Islam that has led to it, alone of the non-British Religions, having itā€™s own personal ā€œ~ophobiaā€? Other than Judaismā€™s problems with the institutionally antisemitic & increasingly Islamised @ukLabour, no other belief has such a suffix or apparent slur added to its name.

      After all, Sikhophobia, Buddhistophobia, Hinduophobia, Jainophobia etc are conspicuous by their absence and generally the followers of those religions have not only become a part of, but contributed to British Society in a way that, by and large, Islam has never even tried to emulate.

      Why is that?
      Could it be that individual followers of those other religions do not have a tendency to blow themselves up in pop concerts? Nor, generally speaking, do they take part in the gang organised rape, sexual exploitation & trafficking of young girls.

      If the apologists for Islam take their blinkers off and take a broader, world wide look at the actions of Islamists in the wider world they will see a different picture to the ā€œReligion Of Peaceā€ to the one they try so hard to portray.
      The murder and mutilation of concert goers at The Bataclan or the recent bombings in Sri Lanka for example.

      The bombing of the Rawda Mosque and other internecine violence within Islam points to a tragic truth that the most common cause of violent death to Muslims today is other Muslim.

      Nor do they comment on the the continuing slaughter of Christians by Islamists in many parts of Africa, largely ignored by Western media.
      It is things like this that create the legitimate fear & distrust they pass of as ā€œIslamophobia.ā€

    1. What is the intended end product of a vigil and how is it supposed to combat the type of event that initiated it?

      ‘Let’s all stand in a group while looking sad, then we can all go home and put the kettle on’.

      Pointless.

      1. Donā€™t forget that a few ā€˜celebsā€™ get to practice their lack of acting ability on the telly news.

      2. A vigil is to fill the time between the terrorist attack and the politicians saying that lessons will be learnt.

    2. Crack out the t-lights and garage flowers. Mobilise the teddy bears.
      The west has a death wish.

  50. I woke up this morning with my head full of stuff revolving around London Bridge.
    The Bridge has been partially re-opened after being closed off in its entirety and private property, vehicles, immobilised and kept from their owners quite needlessly. The incident took place in a space of about 40 yards, half of which were inside the Fishmongers Hall.
    When the police arrived, looking like extras in a Judge Dredd film, they cleared out Borough Market at gunpoint. Previous films of such incidents have shown the police to be on the verge of hysterics. Thereafter there were considerable numbers of armed police, walking about, standing, and looking very menacing.
    It was all over. The jihadi had been tackled and restrained by ordinary people, not the police.
    We may recall that at Grenfell Tower, even as it was burning like a Roman candle, the emergency services told people to stay inside. Last week at London Bridge, with a terrorist on the street attacking people, the emergency services made people leave buildings and go into the streets.
    Tommy Robinson has been repeatedly and continually harassed, detained, and jailed on trumped up charges. HIs crimes have been to warn us about the likes of Usman Kahn. There is no indication that Usman Khan has been detained and harassed since his release last year. Quite the opposite. The jihadi is invited to a conference to give his side of things. That went well.
    Now it is time for tea lights and teddy bears.
    Will this process continue until muslims openly run the country?

      1. Thanks, Mags, you may see it soon on Arsebook but, as they are getting very censorious, I may close my account.

    2. Well said, Horace and Good Afternoon. Will you mind if I put that up on Arsebook?

      You say it so clearly, factually and in an easily understandable form that it may just be an object lesson to the PTB as to how they might behave and it can’t do any harm for an airing among the snowflakes and millenials.

    3. Will this process continue until muslims openly run the country?

      The country will probably be subsumed into the EU as an alternative to an Islamic Caliphate!

      2. As happened in another European country in the last century, democracy will be the route to dictatorship.

    1. Some good news though. “Woodhouse Colliery is a new underground metallurgical coal mine being developed near Whitehaven, West Cumbria, UK. It is set to become the first deep coal mine to be developed in the UK in the last 30 years.”
      Let’s hope it doesn’t get hijacked by the Greens.

  52. May one ask WHY are we taking the de-radicalisation
    route when our, beneficial to indigenous / country path
    should be, completed incarceration triggers deportation
    automatically.
    The terrorist are safe in the knowledge that their family members welfare both physically / financially will not suffer, the suffering is for the victim,s alone.
    WHY are the families of the terrorist still allowed to dwell
    in England / GB is it their vote potential, have the governance parties sunk to such a depth ?
    I listened to the platitudes just now on the radio of the
    politic rodents and their input, the sound resonated
    throughout the Kingdom of the slamming door.

    1. The course is being revamped as it was not as successful as they had hoped at re-radicalization of the attendees

      1. The first event on the course should be how to break rocks. The last, sailing tuition, to a distant land.

      2. BJ,
        And so it should be as the prototype has got people killed.
        The initial course is missing a major component & that is deportation on release.
        Anyone feeling the need to fight their corner do so from the terrorist country of origin, if that is GB then in the parents country of origin along with the parents.

    2. Its caused by the same condition that has affected the parents of the murdered souls. Londonā€™s Khan spouting about not letting hate take over, merely trying to deflect the attention from many slammers who one might consider to be implicated in common thought.

  54. Cerberus weighs bid for minicab operator Addison Lee

    City sources said on Monday that Cerberus had submitted an offer for London’s second-largest minicab company ahead of a recent deadline, although it was unclear how formal, or at what level, any proposal had been.

    The auction of Addison Lee, which its current owner, Carlyle, wants to conclude before the end of the year, comes as Uber Technologies faces a fresh legal battle to renew its London operating licence.
    Several parties are said to have tabled bids for Addison Lee, but these are expected to value the company at well below its Ā£230m of outstanding borrowings.
    That is likely to mean that the company will undergo a debt-for-equity swap or a pre-pack administration as part of a prospective change of control, according to insiders.

    They added that an insolvency event has become less likely in the last few weeks.

  55. “We must never politicise tragedies”.

    Sincerely,

    The people who politicised Grenfell.and Jo Ox

  56. Usman Khan

    As a part of his condition for being released he was subject to 20 restrictions one of which barred him from London. The probation service though unilaterally decided he could be allowed to travel to London for this course. It is unclear as to whether the Probation service had any powers to wave the restriction
    He was also subject to monitoring by multiple agencies including MI5 yet they probation service seem not to have consulted with these other organisation let alone get their agreement. No risk assessment appears to have take place neither nor was any search carried out of the people attending this course

      1. I should be shocked but I am not given the track record of the various organisations involved

    3. Where are we going to get the taxes to pay for all this surveillance for all these tens of thousands of Islamist fighters liberated by Erdogan, with Trump’s approval, from Kurdish prison camps and distributed throughout Europe?

      When they start getting to work on our native Muslim communities (numbering some 3 million people), then could we even get the staff to conduct the surveillance required to keep us safe?

  57. BBC:

    Political leaders and climate diplomats are meeting in Madrid for two weeks of talks amid a growing sense of crisis.

    Although not a gambling man, I’d bet a pound to a pinch of that this is an extravagant event with a giant carbon footprint. The Hollywood ‘film-set’ picture at the top of the article shouts to me that it is.

    If these folk were serious about the issue, the event would be held in an aircraft hangar with the most spartan of surroundings.

    P.S. 8Ā° Centipede in here when I got up and my winter woollies are keeping my carbon footprint down.’

      1. I’m reminded of the Insect World Cup where it was 0-4 at half time but ended up 14-4, all fourteen scored by the centipede.

        “Where were you in the first half?”

        “Putting my boots on.”

        1. Not so. The birds are used during take off to get the plane up to speed and off the runway. Once airborne, the forward motion spins the turbines which power the plane.

        3. Not so. The birds are used during take off to get the plane up to speed and off the runway. Once airborne, the forward motion spins the turbines which power the plane.

          2. It’s powered ultimately by faith. There’s a chap in the co-pilot’s seat praying.

            Well, under the circumstances, wouldn’t you?

          3. I can see you have studied the shadow home secretary’s book on physics. Or are we now supposed to say fysics, to follow the ridiculous new Americanised spelling of Sulphur.

          4. The Remainers may have written us off but our boffins can still invent things.

            P.S. Our lot designed the plane, the septics provided the colors.

    3. Fire season in Northern California ended due to snow storm.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4U8kgiiVj5Q
      “Climate Intelligenceā€ ā€“ CLINTEL.org representatives met with the European Parliament on Nov. 20, 2019 to deliver their declaration by over 700 scientists that there is NO ā€œClimate Emergency.ā€ CLINTEL has also provided an expanded explanation of their scientific view in this mostly plain-language document. https://clintel.org/wp-content/upload… But, wait! Why are these scientists not on board with Gretaā€™s position on climate change? Turns out that Greta is a pawn for Big Green Billionaires and thereā€™s a huge public relations, social media, social engineering and carbon offset group behind her. And all those big environmental groups ‘ENGOs’ promoting her that claim to be ā€˜saving the planetā€™ are just proxies for green billionaires. Read Cory Morningstarā€™s blog posts, http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2019/… or even better, support her research and buy her book. https://www.amazon.ca/Manufacturing-G… CLINTEL opposes the Net Zero by 2050 policies, and rightly so. Dr. Fritz Vahrenholt explains how the goal of modern society should not be economic suicide. https://www.thegwpf.com/prof-fritz-va…”

      1. Thanks.

        It’s not the issue which bothers me, it’s the hypocrites who preach but don’t change their own behaviour.

      2. Who’d a thunk it? Climate Green billionaires, eh? Not predicted ages ago on NTTL, I’m sure…

    5. WTF is a “Climate Diplomat”??
      Morning, Eddy.
      Guess they all got there in executive jets…

      1. Morning Ob.

        I think a Climate Diplo Mat is what the delegates use to clean the carbon off their footprints when they enter the event.

      1. I agree, Bill.

        What’s the betting that half a day will be spent sorting out where the next ‘jolly’ will be held?

    7. Meanwhile, Save the Children says that climate shocks have left millions in Africa facing hunger.
      The charity says 33 million people are at emergency levels of food insecurity due to cyclones and droughts.

      Sounds like too much uncontrolled bonking to me.

      1. The question these folk need to be asked is ‘how do you get relief supplies to remote areas of the third world without using the very stuff, fossil fuel, you’re trying to get rid of?’

        Eliminating oil and its by-products would leave millions dead, never mind at emergency levels of food insecurity.

        1. Donā€™t muddy the waters with common sense and the truth as they wonā€™t have an excuse for their jolly.

      2. Is “climate shocks” the new shorthand for killing white farmers, stealing their land and then ruining the farms?

      3. We have been pouring aid into Africa for 30 years and more. Things have got worse. Logically we should stop giving them aid. We should allow African states to trade with the EU on favourable, that is, fair, terms. Then let them get on with it.

        1. More like 60 years HP. Save the Children haved saved far too many children and aid money should be conditional on contraception being used.

  58. A Allan 2 Dec 2019 8:55AM
    A dead, white male sussed out current situation some 2,000 years ago:

    ā€œA nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.ā€

    ā€• Marcus Tullius Cicero

    Brilliant , as ever . well done Anne .

    2. Morning TB,
      And to be sure uses the same ballot booth at every given occasion & being dead is no excuse for his/her/its
      vote being erased, postal voting is there to be abused.

    1. It is a great pity that a passenger didn’t flick his ankles up so that his face was rammed into the floor.

  61. “Food Poverty” They cry…………..

    In a land where a chicken that will feed a family of four well costs the same as 5 cigarettes…………………

  63. I just received a glossy well-printed four page brochure through the door. I cut my fingers on the edge of the paper while trying to tear it up.
    This is for no known reason a Labour voting ward. I had a similar green one recently, remember, not worth looking at. Neither here nor at our previous residence did we ever get anything meaningful through the door from the Conservatives. They will lose a lot of votes through simply not promoting themselves locally. Watching a nutty serial womaniser on left-wing TV will not pull the votes in.The Brexit party are still waring their coat of invisibilty, and the Lib Dems (vomits).
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9d1769a8422f62ac9221b4ac3a91e50d673cc6f7a4093d6a8df4c3d36aade04e.jpg

        3. Johnny Norfolk – This is the first election when I won’t be voting Conservative. I will be voting in an attempt to get a hung Parliament so that Boris cannot get a majority and pass this Withdrawal Agreement. It does feel very strange to be on this side of an election and to see clearly the damage that will be done if the Conservatives win a majority and hand control of the United Kingdom to the European Union. It is a similar feeling to standing on the deck of the Titanic BEFORE it hits the iceberg, and waving to try to draw attention to the icy disaster that is getting closer and closer.

          I have learnt much in the last 5 years about what is happening behind the scenes in the world, from older and wiser observers who have decades of experience. All of them are also pointing to the approaching iceberg and what it will mean.

          Corbyn has no chance of winning, and even a coalition with all that it brings with the possibility of revoking Article 50, would leave the UK in a FAR better place than Boris getting this deal through. At the most basic level, Labour are bl00dy incompetent and will cause great debt, but they will be arguing with the EU for years as Corbyn wants to nationalise everything in sight, and the EU will keep saying “No you can’t.” This will drag on and on, but Labour are bumblers. This will be bad for our country.

          However, if Boris gets his deal though then he will be handing control of our country over to the EU who are very, very slick and professional at dismantling countries and their economies. The EU is broke for many reasons and they will happily bring down the UK and leave us in so much debt that we cannot recover. Labour said “There is no money left” when they were kicked out a decade ago. The EU will say there are several countries with no money left, and some banks as well, you the United Kingdom will assume that debt. We will have no way of stopping them.

          The EU excels in asset stripping countries and they HATE us for many reasons, not least for daring to try to leave them and sparking unrest across their fledgling Empire. They will do everything that they can to shatter the United Kingdom and Boris will hand them the legal authority to do it. The EU will not treat us kindly or hold back when they have their jackboot on our necks.

          So it feels strange to be standing on the deck of the ship and seeing the ice approaching. Knowing that a slight course change will save our country, or at least give it a chance. But you so often hear “I’ll trust the captain, he would not be speeding on this course if the danger was as bad as you say.”

          So from my perspective, and I am not the only one, a hung Parliament with a minority Conservative government that cannot force this W/A through is the best to hope for. Being unable to get any W/A past can force back the chance of leaving without a deal, which is what the majority of us want and the majority of these MP’s will not allow to happen. It will depend upon how many Remainer’s we choose to put back into office who will continue to stop us leaving.

    2. The Limp Dums are a really uncaring, inconsiderate bunch – we got a flyer from them today and it’s too glossy for bog paper, and probably won’t burn well either!

  64. I am beginning to wonder whether the pollsters are beginning to realise that disillusioned older Leavers are far more likely to be the ones saying they won’t vote or will destroy their ballot papers than younger remainers who will be voting Corbyn and are making adjustments to their projections accordingly.

    1. I might be considered old(ish), and I’m certainly disillusioned but I will be holding my nose and voting Tory – any vague prospect of Corbyn, Ā± Swansong in a coalition, is too awful a prospect. I don’t trust Bojo, but I have to hope that if he gets a majority he’ll ditch the WA??

          1. Our constituency is so heavily Tory that the only way we can express our objection to the WA&PD is to spoil the paper.

  65. First picture of teaching assistant found dead after being ‘hit with chair by pupil’

    The teaching assistant found dead after being ‘hit with a chair by a pupil’ was a father-of-three who has been described by friends as a “true gentleman”.
    Lee Sims, 31, was found dead at a house in Brackla, Bridgend, on Sunday morning.
    He was a teaching assistant at Ysgol Bryn Castell in Bryncethin, Bridgend.

    1. Ysgol Bryn Castell (YBC)
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      @YBCBridgend
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      Apologies, due to unforeseen circumstances, YBC is closed for all pupils on Monday 2nd December 2019. Mrs Ridout

  66. Voter fraud. Interesting that a voting card for my 19 yo step son dropped through the letterbox today. Interesting because I did not register him at my address and he is not a UK/EU citizen. I shall make enquiries as to who has registered him illegally.

    1. Well you cannot register him in any case as several years ago it changed to individual registration

        1. Labour is not as strong as it was particular in the Welsh Assembly where PR is used. I think at the last election is was a draw with Labour and the Opposition parties having an equally number of seats. That may have changed slightly with defections etc

          Wales Westminster Seats ( You can see the distortion of FPTP) Total of 40 Seats

          Lab 28 48.9%
          Con 8 33.6%
          Plaid 4 10.4%

          Welsh Assembly Total of 60 seats (Note due to defections etc the current numbers are different
          PR is used but it is not a pure PR system few are so you have the oddity of PC getting 1 more seat than the Conservatives in spit of having a slightly lower percentage

          Lab 29 34.7%
          Plaid 12 20.1%
          Con 11 21.1%
          UKIP 7 12.5%
          Lib 1 7.7%
          Others 0 3.5%

  67. UKIP launches manifesto

    The UK Independence Party has launched a “Brexit and beyond” manifesto with a commitment to leaving the EU on 31 January 2020 without a deal.
    Interim leader Pat Mountain said the PM’s withdrawal agreement would keep the UK “shackled to Brussels”.
    The party also wants to cut net immigration to below 10,000 per year.
    It is standing in 44 seats across the UK – a substantially reduced number from the 378 candidates they stood in 2017.

    1. BJ,
      Being as the party is in a state of flux at present with a high % of the membership at war with the NEc
      treacherous actions, nothing can be taken as the truth regarding the parties standing.

  68. “And in the darkness bind them”

    A major international law firm has helped write a lobbying manual for

    people who want to change the law to prevent parents having the final

    say about significant changes in the status of their own children. That

    manual advises those lobbying for that change to hide their plans behind

    a ā€˜veilā€™ and to make sure that neither the media nor the wider public

    know much about the changes affecting children that they are seeking to

    make. Because if the public find out about those changes, they might

    well object to them.

    I started my first job as a researcher in the Commons in 1994. Iā€™ve

    been studying and writing about politics and policy ever since. And in

    my experience of how changes in the law are brought about, the approach

    described in that report is simply not normal or usual. In a democracy,

    we are all free to argue for whatever policy or position we wish. But

    normally, anyone who wants to change the law accepts that to do so they

    need to win the support or, at least, the consent of the people whose

    authority ultimately gives the law its force. The approach outlined, in

    detail, in the Dentons report amounts to a very different way of

    lobbying to get the laws and policies you want. Even more notably, it

    suggests that in several countries people have been quite successful in

    lobbying behind a ā€˜veilā€™ and in a way that deliberately avoids the

    attention of the public. That, I think, should interest anyone who cares

    about how politics and policy are conducted, whether or not they care

    about the transgender issue.

    Iā€™m going to conclude with an observation Iā€™ve made here before, but

    which I think bears repeating in the context of that report and the

    things it might tell people about other aspects of the trans issue: no

    policy made in the shadows can survive in sunlight.

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/

      1. Everyone knows what soot is. It is black. And people mostly don’t like blacks.
        97 per cent of the poplation don’t know what carbon dioxide is. They think maybe something that
        peroxide blondes use.
        ” The blonde woman wearing black shoes made a carbon footprint “

      2. Many ladies love carbon and prefer that it comes in any of the following, clear, pink, blue, green or yellow, cut to sparkle and very expensive. (other shades may be available). A nice piece of nutty slack on a girl’s finger just doesn’t cut it.šŸ˜Ž

    1. Enthusiastic and decent people who believe that what they are doing will improve society; learning the hard way that if you play with fire you can be badly burnt.

    3. Afternoon Rik. You can go to Cambridge until you are ninety and stuff yourself with degrees but you will gain not one ounce of Common Sense or Wisdom. That has to be learned by oneself in the living of life and suffering its blows.

      1. As a friend once put it – “the sort of person who can work out the viscosity of marmalade from first principles but can’t actually get the lid off the jar”.

        1. ā€œThere are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.ā€

          George Orwell.

          1. I’m still to be convinced about the Big Bang theory. Whilst I can see it might work mathematically, I have great difficulty in believing, for example, that just one black hole with a mass of one million of our Sun plus all the other Galaxies of which it is thought there are over 2 billion in the visible universe, all emerged from a singularity smaller than a pin head…..

          2. I have similar problems with Evolution Stephen. It is denied by our everyday experience. I am hopeful that genetics will lay my doubts to rest before I do!

          3. Curiously enough, I’m fairly happy with Evolution (except when it comes to the stupidity of mankind……)

          6. The idea of a big bang does become easier to accept when it is boiled down to energy being suddenly converted into the building blocks of matter. All of the Suns, planets, moons and even elements were not suddenly created at once. The first “matter” is thought to be the gases Hydrogen and Helium which spread further and further afield before swirling around each other drawn together by gravity to create the first stars and planets. There were no elements such as gold yet.

            Then we had the first set of supernovas and the nuclear reactions in their cores as the Suns exploded created all of the heavier / complex metals and matter that we have now. Then there was a second wave of the gasses and metals being drawn together to create new stars and planets, but with the new elements as part of their make-up. Which is why, this time, we can build a complex society with the minerals we have to exploit that were not here the first time around. So it has taken a long time for that first big bang to get to the layout that we see in the night sky.

            I love these theories. It was a good day when I read that first science fiction book in the school library as a boy, which led me on to so many others. Patrick Moore was always a joy to watch on “The Sky At Night” and was a good teacher as well. šŸ™‚

          8. LOL – It has been pointed out that the Big Bang Theory is spookily similar to the Christian / Judaism story of creation. There was energy and it was dark and formless when God said “Let there be light.”

            As has been said – the “7 days” are not defined as being 24 hours each and, more importantly, attempting to explain complex quantum mechanics to a group of shepherds sitting among sheep would be a lengthy and tricky endeavour, to put it mildly. They would not have the vocabulary or understanding of the complex nature of reality that we have now, for a start.

            So just show them what happened – darkness followed by a gigantic light as energy was turned into matter. “Let there be light.”

            But after all of my time online I know that religion is one of those topics that depends on personal experience and causes more arguments than anything else. So I avoid it when I can. šŸ™‚

          9. Five hundred years ago Reality was explained by Religious Principles that were displaced by Science because of its greater accuracy. This is not to say that it is the Final Explanation. There are serious problems with Modern Cosmology and it is not beyond possibility that something else may be needed to answer the most basic questions!

          1. Mine via someone who later became rather senior – circa 1986; mind you I did nick it from him!!

          3. Back in the good old days, when you could be brutally honest on reports (and rude too); one favourite was someone who, to describe a particularly thick specimen, wrote nothing but drew a picture of a bone!

            And a few others:
            He has the wisdom of youth and the energy of old age.
            Since my last report he has reached rock bottom and has started to dig.
            Has two brains; one is lost and the other is out looking for it.
            If he were any more stupid he’d have to be watered twice a week.
            Got into the gene pool while the lifeguard wasn’t watching.
            A room temperature IQ.
            He’s so dense light bends around him.

          4. For brutal honesty you can’t get much more to the point than the boss who told an apprentice:
            “Son you’ll never be an Electrician all the while there’s a hole in your arse!”

          5. S,
            One pipe-fitter about another, he couldn’t fit
            a pipe in a snow-mans
            mouth,he was on about his dad.

      2. A clever ‘it’ knows that tomatoes are fruit

        A sensible ‘it’ will never put a tomato in a fruit salad

        ‘it’ covers every variation of the LGBT alphabet, so I do not get arrested

    4. In some way, Islam has the right ideas

      Be naughty lose a hand (the right one)

      Be naughty again, lose the other one

      Simples.

      Part of their Law, we should copy it

    5. These “well meaning” people who do not understand the real world are dangerous to many around them. They can be compared to the young chicken out walking, looking up and making sure that the sky is not falling yet, as Greta warned them would be happening soon. They meet a fox and have been told that all animals are equal and nice. They take the fox home and unlock the door to the chicken coop.

      All of the other young chickens gather round and make a fuss of the new arrival as he looks about and asks innocently “There are no older, wiser chickens here are there?” When the rooster and mother chickens, who have been on guard against the predators in the real world, return home they find the bloodbath.

  71. Surprisingly, since I’ve had more sleeps than there have been days since this time last year, I remembered today what I usually forget to remember and that is that the sparkly things on Christmas cards aren’t just for Christmas.

    In fact, in this household they tend to last until at least June.

    Today’s cards are as basic as they come and sparkle-free.

      1. That my hoover only gets used twice a year.

        You’ll need to ask whoever does your housework for a full explanation.

  72. From a BBC report –

    “Thirteen Pakistani nationals, including eight children and four women,
    have died in a fire at a farm in Jordan, the civil defence department
    (CDD) has said.”

    Examination Qestion: – If twelve are accounted for, what was the thirteenth ?

    1. I’m just sorry it wasn’t a) his head and b) the tube train didn’t whizz off to the next station.

    2. It seems to imply though that the safety feature on the doors is not working. If there is an obstruction in the doors the doors should open for safety reason to present someone being dragged along the platform

  74. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/12/02/tories-cannot-take-nigel-farage-granted-want-champion-brexiteers/

    This comment under the Asa Bennett article sums it up very well:

    Cynthia Taylor 2 Dec 2019 3:12PM

    Nigel Farage put country before party to avoid splitting the Leave vote in Conservative held seats. The Tories will not return the favour because they put party before country.

    I might add that this disgusting mistake by the Conservative Party may lead to the end of Britain’s independent existence very soon.

  77. Mail to Sir R………..

    A random conversation between Sherlock Holmes and Dr Watson at 221b Baker Streetā€¦..

    ā€This is a very strange general election campaign, Watson. Leavers are risking everything by not engaging Remainers with everything they have, and, with the polls narrowing against them, they might even lose Brexit and even Britain herself to the appalling new Euro State.ā€

    ā€I agree, Holmes, I have wondered why Leavers are fighting with one hand tied behind their backsā€.

    ā€Lestrade was making just that point yesterday, Watson. Why is it that Leavers do not use the facts, not just opinions, at their disposal ? Such as the extraordinary fact that a private individual and his team were invited to the European Commission to discuss his personal ā€aimsā€ and ā€valuesā€ for Europe on no fewer than 72 occasions last year ? Why, Watson, why is it that Leavers donā€™t ask the obvious and perfectly reasonable questions which would transform their campaign ? Particularly as anyone can see that European Union policy is virtually identical to his ā€aims and valuesā€.

    ā€It really is most strange, Holmes, there they are, the Leavers, and theyā€™ll risk the country by not asking the obvious questions.

    ā€My theory Watson, is that we are looking at a not dissimilar mystery to that of poor ā€Silver Blazeā€ which we investigated last year. You may remember the clue I identified, namely, why was it that the dogs did not bark in the night time ? As I remarked to Inspector Gregory at the time. So it is again, metaphorically speaking. Why arenā€™t the dogs barking in relation to the obvious questions ? Including who really controls the European Union ?ā€

    ā€If youā€™re right, Holmes, I think we could be looking at very deep waters indeed.ā€

    ā€Indeed we could, Watson. This case is laden with clues but before I explain further, would you be so kind as to engage a Hansom ? Our investigations will begin in Switzerland. Donā€™t worry, we are not going to the Reichenback Falls, but instead we will visit a very pretty and peaceful Alpine village where all Prime Ministers almost certainly meet this private individual every yearā€¦ā€¦

    ā€Where is that, Holmes ?ā€

    ā€My dear Watson. You know my methods, this really is so elementaryā€¦ā€¦.ā€

    ā€I am convinced that all roads in this enquiry lead to Davosā€.

    Polly

    1. “You can deduce where we are heading can’t you my dear Watson – we shall just have to face the music!”
      “I wish you would learn to play that violin properly Holmes – and don’t keep calling me dear!”

    1. Why worry?
      With climate extinction emergency catastrophic meltdown the planet will be so hot that battery powered cars will be able to fly to Australia on half a charge.

  79. COFFEE HOUSE – The failed lessons of the London Bridge attack
    Douglas Murray – 2 December 2019 – 4:06 PM

    Some readers have been asking me to comment on the latest London Bridge terrorism incident. And if I have some reluctance it is only because although ennui comes from writing the same article over and over again, thatā€™s nothing like the feeling you get from writing the same article so often that you donā€™t even need to change the name of the location of the attack each time now.

    London Bridge 2 has been pored over enough in recent days. The heroism of certain members of the public has rightly been noted. Politicians of all the main parties have tried to pin the blame for the attackerā€™s early release on their political opponents. And everything goes on as usual.

    But there are a couple of remaining things still worth noting about all this. The first is that if two innocent people hadnā€™t been killed and others wounded there would be something un-satirisable about Fridayā€™s incident. A convicted terrorist is allowed out of prison after learning how to game the system, serves only half his sentence and then, at a prisoner rehabilitation session, goes full-crazy again and kills two of the young people involved in the rehabilitation business. The fact that the workshop Usman Khan was attending had one of those soppy modern Britain titles ā€“ ā€˜Learning Togetherā€™ ā€“ just completes the picture.

    The problem remains that while we are happy to get caught up on discussions about prisoner release protocols and the like, we avoid the wider, and more sceptical, conversation we should have had by now. Conversations like the one we ought to have had about the whole de-radicalisation business, or industry.

    Here in October, I mentioned in passing the whole phoney academic ā€˜disciplineā€™ of ā€˜radicalisationā€™. I wonder whether now mightnā€™t be a good time to reassess some of our reliance on the claims and expertise of that industry?

    The truth is that as well as some good people, an awful lot of people have emerged in recent years, and a variety of organisations have been set up, claiming to be expert in this business. They claim to know how to ā€˜de-radicaliseā€™ people and seek money from government, social media companies and others in order to develop this ā€˜expertiseā€™ and sell it on for cash. The reason I have become increasingly sceptical about this whole business is not just because I think many of these people donā€™t know what they are talking about, but because the stakes are far higher than they like to remember.

    Saskia Jones (23) and Jack Merritt (25) ā€“ who have been named as Usman Khanā€™s victims ā€“ appear to have been smart and idealistic young people. But they lived in a society in which the parameters of ā€˜radicalisationā€™ (what causes it, and how it might be undone) had already been decided. People older but perhaps less wise than them decided to treat Usman Khan like any other prisoner and get him back into the community as fast as possible. And if there is anything to learn from the incident it shouldnā€™t be only a couple of narrow legal issues, but a consideration of whether we arenā€™t consistently hampering ourselves by deciding in advance what our problems can and cannot be.

    The problem in countries like Britain isnā€™t just that we donā€™t seem to learn anything together. The problem is that we donā€™t seem to learn anything at all.

    ******************************************************************************

    AlfTupperDarlin ā€¢ an hour ago
    Indeed. If you have a rabid dog then the solution is not to send it to the Barbara Woodhouse School for Wayward Dogs.

    1. Douglas as always is on the ball though I might take exception to his comment in the last paragraph, ā€œwe donā€™t seem to learn anythingā€ which is untrue or inaccurate; whichever you prefer. It is our leaders, enslaved to the ideology of Cultural Marxism who are unable to learn!

      1. Evening AS,
        Must beg to differ, maybe once
        even twice the leaders could be blamed but no way in a recurring manner .
        IMO a great many of the electorate are ODing on
        party before Country & seeing as the proof to date that the governance parties are all pro eu, the in-house politico’s cannot lose, but the peoples will, per usual.

  80. “Years have been knocked off official projections of children’s life
    expectancies in the UK, an Office for National Statistics (ONS) report
    shows.

    A baby girl born in 2019 is now expected to celebrate three fewer birthdays on average, than under previous calculations.

    Official 2014 data thought that girl would make it to 93.6. Now the figure is 90.4.

    The report also slashed the likelihood of children reaching 100.

    The ONS said: “There has been considerable public debate about the causes of the slowdown in life expectancy improvements.”
    In the current climate place your bets
    Pollution
    Bacon
    Meat in general
    USA buying the NHS
    Or given the demographics
    First Cousin marriage……………

    2. Add another 10 million followers of a certain cult to the country and that life expectancy will drop sharply to where it was 1,000 years ago. Unless you like taking your clothes off with people who are the same sex, then it will drop much further, as will they.

      1. Same sex relationships also present a greater health risk as does promiscuous sex amount heterosexuals

    1. Parents can make other people’s children richer by spending their own children’s inheritance.

    2. Yep, spending the money with an American cruise line operator on a cruise to the Far East will do wonders for the UK economy.

    3. I wouldn’t trust an Xpert as far as I could throw a feather into a gale.

      In any case, the government is boosting the economy by stealing (aka borrowing) from those same children and their future offspring.

      1. Labours figures grossly understate how much they will need to tax and borrow to fund their spending plans. I would say you need to at minimum double the amount and more sensibly treble it. Think HS2

    4. My mp, sadly.

      I donā€™t vote for him of course but thereā€™s a strong African Moslem presence on the White City Estate and I donā€™t doubt their postal votes are already in by the bucket load so why would he care what I think.

      The proposed boundary reforms would have removed his seat. If only.

    5. ” he and Corbyn travelled to Israel in 2010 to meet senior Hamas officials”
      I don’t think there would have been a meeting with Hamas officials on Tel Aviv beach ????

  83. A former Police Officer I think summed up the situation with sentencing quite well

    With Murder say during a Robbery and with crimes of passion the risk of a repeat of the crime is highly unlikely and a proper assessment of those people should identify those that may present an ongoing risk. With murders carried our based on an ideology or with murders carried out by pedophiles there is a risk of repeat offences and any assessment is unlikely to help eliminate that risk or even reduce that risk

  84. New EU rules will force vets to put down healthy squirrels and deer

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/1211802/EU-rules-force-vets-put-down-healthy-squirrels-deer

    The EU gets some things right now and then. Unfortunately, if ever we do leave, Bunny Huggers Are Us will be straight onto the case and it’ll be one of the first regulations to be struck off. I bet they’ll be in favour of Henry VIII powers for that, after which they’ll turn around and say: “What? You don’t like it? But you wanted to be out of the EU. Hypocrites!”

    1. It was my understanding that it was already illegal to release grey squirrels once trapped.

      They’ve been officially considered as vermin for years and once in captivity they should be destroyed.

      1. I think, as a lad, if you killed one you would be paid 1/- (one shilling for youngsters) by the Royal Parks (?).

        1. There was a bounty on their tails. I thought it was 6d.

          In those days grey squirrels were confined to the South of England. It’s only in the past 10-15 years or so that they’ve made it into Northumberland and the red squirrels that were common here have crashed. I used to be almost guaranteed to see a red squirrel within a 10 minute walk from home. Not seen one there now for years.

          5. Aren’t they re-introducing the pine marten there?

            Pine martens attack both red and grey squirrels, but the reds can get away more easily and higher up where they are safe. The greys are constantly harassed and lose condition until they lose their competitive advantage against the reds.

          6. There are a handful of sightings from the Kielder area. Not even a drop in the ocean. No predator ever wipes out its prey species.

            The reds can’t get away if they are already dead from squirrel pox after having been infected by the greys.

          7. We have two resident red squirrel families in our grounds – one lives in the walnut tree to the north of our house and the other in another walnut tree to the south of it.

      2. Yo Basset

        It was my understanding that it was already illegal to release grey squirrels tree rats once trapped.

  85. In my view Lab-our present the greatest risk to the UK Economy followed by the Lib-Dems One can forget about the SNP & Plaid s they only field candidates in their own countries . The Greens have little support and will probably only get 1 seat. The risk with the Lib-Dems is they might enter some king of arrangement with Labour I doubt it would last long but would probably last long enough to damg the UK by selling it out to the EU

    1. Boris’ agreement with the EU is just May’s agreement with minor cosmetic changes. It is definitely selling out to the EU.

          1. First one is we technical leave the EU on the 31 December and are not trapped in it by the Backstop. The Transition period is only until December 2020

          2. We understand that the Transition period can carry on indefinitely until a Trade agreement is finalised.

            If you think that a Trade agreement will be finalised by December 2020 we feel that you are dreaming.

            Why not wait until December 2020 and then demand an apology from us?

          3. It is our choose. If no trade deal with the EU i agreed by December 2020 we are free to leave without one. I think though that will put pressure on the EU to agree at least a preliminary trade deal by then particularly one covering cars and food

          4. Do you have any idea of the amount of damage that Barnier and co could cause to the UK economy in a year under the lipsticked Maygreement?

          5. Not a lot as the transition period means we pretty much carry on as if we are still in the EU the only real difference being no MEPs

          6. Really?

            Are you suggesting that we and the EU will just carry on as now during the transition when the EU is granted the ability to change what they choose with no veto on our part?

            If that is the case why not leave with a clean break on 31 December?

          10. He probaly thinks that Mourhino is the long term answer to THFC’s problems too, whereas what will happen is that in the short term it will look amazing and in the medium term THFC will be fleeced.

          11. Not a move i’m a fan of. I don’t rate him, he’s only good with an open cheque book and i don’t like the negative way his teams play. I expect he’s already asking Levy for dosh to buy Fellaini.

          12. You have just written what I wrote to other dog’s breath supporters.

            He’s the antithesis of what Spurs stand for.

            Ooops, used to stand for.

            He is the most over-rated manager of all time.

            He arrives just before a team has an easier run.

            He spends a fortune.

            He destroys morale.
            He gets fired at huge cost.

            He leaves behind a team heading South.
            He returns elsewhere, rinses and repeats.

          13. I agree with you. I have purchased German cars exclusively for the past twenty years. And previously I also had a few early VWs and a beemer.

            I recently purchased a VW T-Cross for my wife with cash and exchanged my Golf for a VW T-Roc on a Solutions lease hire. I cannot imagine that the German economy can tolerate the loss of customers like us. There are many of us appreciating and driving German cars across the UK.

            We also have a Miele dishwasher, Miele washing machine, Siemens fridge and Siemens clothes drier and two Miele vacuum cleaners.

            Of course Macron and his French resent this preference for engineering quality and try to flog their tired old Citroenā€™s and Renaults to us too. The French despise us and generally try to undermine us at every turn. This attitude is deeply engrained and was ever thus.

            Sooner or later there will be a falling out between the Germans and the French. History repeats itself. The EU and itā€™s institutions are a mere smokescreen to the actual political machinations in Europe.

          14. WE are the largest single export market for German cars by a very long way It is a bigger market the exports to the UK and France put together add in the change to electric cars is badly affecting the market and I cannot see the EU not reaching some kind of agreement

            The other side is if they dont reach an agreement UK cars become much more attractive and sales will increase . About 25% of UK car production goes to the EU but most of that will remain and the increased home demand would compensate

          15. Yeah well it’s not like you can buy a British car and British white goods, we don’t even make them. There’s a few eclectic British car marques, maybe Caterhams and Bristols. We have a near zero production of white goods.

          18. Well that’s 850 cars per year. Must confess can’t remember ever seeing one on a London road.

          20. Yup. My point was simply that the Germans would not wish to prejudice their UK market with some absurd Trade regulations insisted upon by the protectionist French after we exit the EU.

  86. Rail commuters are braced for Mayhem Monday as 27-day train strike that will hit 850 services begins

    There are no plans to make these trains one man operated. What is happening is the driver will in future be responsible for closing the train doors and ensuring it is safe to depart. The trains will no longer have a guard but will have a train manager. The train mangers roll is safety on board the train and customer service including making on board train announcement as well as checking tickets. They will also be required to provide assistance to passengers that need help getting on or off the train, Going forward the TOC is looking to have the guards trained in first aid and being able to use an AED

    In Exceptional circumstances a train could have no Train Manager on board this could be say the guard become suddenly sick or due to delays the Train Manager is in the wrong place . The aim would be to get a train manager on board though as soon as possible

    The RMT has amassed a Ā£42million war chest to help the 800 train guards taking part in the walkout, which is being held over the threat of driver-only trains.
    Some guards could be supported with one-off payments of Ā£1,700 to Ā£2,000, it has been claimed.
    Many of the ringleaders have close links to Jeremy Corbyn. They include the RMTā€™s Wessex regional officer, Mick Tosh, who says he has known the Labour leader for 25 years. In all, the RMT has donated Ā£130,700 to Labour since 2016, according to the unionā€™s accounts. Last month Labour vowed to fulfill the RMTā€™s demands by scrapping driver-only trains and putting a guard on every service in the country.

    1. Yo Rik

      COFFEE HOUSE – If Labour want cheaper fares then getting rid of train staff is a good place to start
      Ross Clark – 2 December 2019 – 3:32 PM

      Another day, another uncosted bribe from Labour. This time, Corbyn is promising to slash a third off rail fares and allow children to travel for free. What wonderful, munificent people we have putting themselves forward to lead us. And of course, it wonā€™t cost the taxpayer an extra penny because, as Labourā€™s transport spokesman, Andy McDonald, said this morning, it is all coming from a ā€˜repurposedā€™ pot of money ā€“ money raised through vehicle excise duty, which had been earmarked for road-building.

      Except, of course, road-building is capital expenditure and subsidising rail fares is current spending. For all its guff about investing in Britainā€™s future, what Labour is proposing is a sly trick to rob investment spending and blow it on day-to-day spending. Fare cuts and free travel for the under 16s is not the only way that Labourā€™s renationalised railway would quickly run into trouble. The party is also proposing to put a guard on every train ā€“ reversing modernisations that began under British Rail in 1982. It would be nothing but an extremely expensive job creation scheme to please the unions. This morning the RMT has been trying to tell its usual old fib about driver-only operated (DOO) trains being dangerous. Both the Office of Rail and Road and the Rail Safety and Standards Board have reviewed the evidence on DOO and ruled that they are safe. In fact, the RSSB came to the conclusion that, in some respects, DOOs are safer because they eliminated the danger of a failure of communication between driver and guard.

      Around a third of trains on the UK rail network are now DOOs. Among them are some of the busiest trains ā€“ such as the entire London Underground system. It is, therefore, outrageous for the RMT to make out ā€“ as its assistant general secretary did on the Today programme this morning ā€“ that DOOs are unsafe because, it claims, 80 per cent of serious incidents occur on trains where DOOs are used. There is a slight difference between the number of passengers using the Bakerloo and those using branch line services where a guard is put on the train to check the tickets. Comparing like for like, Transport for London found that incidents involving passengers and train doors fell on sections where it introduced DOO.

      The RMT doesnā€™t even like it when a rail company does agree to keep guards on trains ā€“ that is the issue behind the month-long strike on South Western Trains, which is going ahead in spite of the rail company having already caved in to the unions and agreed to keep the guard. The RMT is now bleating that the guards wonā€™t be in control of opening and closing the doors.

      If we want fares as low as possible, we are only going to achieve that by increasing productivity ā€“ not reducing it as Labour is intent on doing. Combined with the partyā€™s promise of a 32 hour working week, I donā€™t know where Labour would find the staff to run its great unionised train set ā€“ other than by slashing the number of trains. In other words, weā€™ll have lower fares but higher taxes and fewer trains.

      The Conservatives should respond to Labourā€™s gimmick by promising to invest in more technology that would allow guards and, in many cases, drivers to be removed from trains too. There are over 60 rail networks across the world that operate fully automated lines with no guards or drivers. I donā€™t see why ours shouldnā€™t be among them. It would mean far lower running costs, allowing fares to be reduced ā€“ as well as ending the menace of endless strikes.

      ***********************************************************

      Paul Rogers ā€¢ 3 hours ago
      As a regular rail commuter I like the idea of 30% off. It would save me the thick end of Ā£2,000 a year after tax. Thank you Labour.

      Of course I would rather spend the cash on me and loose women rather than leave anything for my kids, the lazy scroungers. I like it. As a way to smoke out just how stupid the electorate is, this and the Waspi bribe are priceless. We shall see.

      MikeBrighton ā€¢ 3 hours ago
      I commute into London to work in the City in a very highly paid financial risk job.
      I must say a very heartfelt thank you to all the nurses, cleaners and minimum wage workers who have agreed to subsidise my season ticket from Sussex to London Bridge. Very generous of you!

      1. THe RMT are really lying over this. Yes technically they will have no guard but thats because the guard role changes to one of being a train manage focused on the safety of passengers on board and customer service. So these train will still have a second person

      2. Oh, Jings! If you really want to cut rail operating costs, close down a few hundred miles of track. It worked for Dr Beeching.

        1. Given how much rail costs have fallen since the days of steam it is difficult to see why fares are so high

    2. I have listened to her on TV and in my view is even dafter than Corbyn. First how does she intend to fund maintenance of the roads. Second there is almost no VED on electric cars so some how she intends to cut train fares by 30% and still maintain the roads. I know Corbyn has found another magic money tree

      Like most of Labours policies it makes no economic sense

      1. Left to Corbyn we would return to a multiplicity of Unions such as The Wheel tappers, Boiler riveters, Keepers of the Footplate, Grease Monkeys, Oil Nipple Polishers, Bogey Aligners, Manual Carriage Brake Checkers, Steam Chimney Cleaners, Cattle Grid Masters, Cleaners of Greasy Head Antimacassars, Brass Polishers and Toilet Cleaners.

      1. Why not do away with it and add it o the fuel price. Could also add a bit for third party insurance so that driver could not get away with no insurance. It would just be third party so would not add a lot. We don’t care if their car gets stolen or destroyed in a fire or written off in an accident

  90. London Vigil has a minister and, I suspect, the token slammer, apparently named Mustafa Feel. Maybe its my rubbish radio. Noted from the press, its Fields!

  91. Comment by Rosie, BTL at Douglas Murray’s blog on London Bridge attack:
    “It
    is interesting that Thomas Mair and 69 others have whole life
    sentences, which means only the Secretary of State can let them out.
    None of the people bleating about this same sentence being given to
    terrorists seemed to have minded about that. The judge who summarily put
    Mair away, after a very odd trial, to put it politely, Mr Justice
    Wilkie, was also one of the judges with Leveson who let Khan out.”

    1. That would be the judge who declared Mair a terrorist although he was not charged with a terrorist crime. The justice system is rotten to the core.

    1. Sorry Ogga, there is still a case, getting stronger every day, to bring back hanging for ANY form of murder of another.

      You must also know that I would go further and make public birching of 16 – 25 year olds a public spectacle for their humiliation, for any minor criminal infringements by those immature and stupid little arseholes, as a lesson for the rest.

      NOW is the time to get tough and let the pendulum swing back to the Victorian ethic of right is right and wrong is wrong.

      1. Evening NtN,
        If that is the case then count me out, no one will put me on the same level as the terrorist.
        People really should learn from their mistakes.
        Whoops sorry, might do it for some a split second after the trap door opens but not me.
        Hanging one innocent is bad enough and one to many, to hang one innocent simple minded
        person and continue with the same system is beyond belief.
        Besides making terrorist martyrs is working in collusion with them, that is their ultimate aim.
        Life means life is the answer.

        1. Your view, to which you are whole-heartedly entitled but, in my book, this scum will never be rehabilitated nor ‘deradicalised’ and, like the vermin they are, they need to be destroyed – permanently.

          1. Morning NtN,
            Thank you, why would you want to help them in these terrorist issues to achieve their aims ?
            The answer is in the real incarceration not just
            being detained with favours.
            Think about it, they are out to not only kill us
            physically but spiritually as a nation.
            Vote in a governance that faces odious facts &
            tackles them & not political cretins offering empty gift boxes.

  94. December 2 2019, 5:00pm, The Times

    Islamists are not the same as other prisoners
    Melanie Phillips

    In the liberal west we want to believe every criminal is redeemable but itā€™s a dangerous delusion

    The terror attack by Usman Khan on a prisoner rehabilitation conference in London was made possible by two catastrophic and tragic misjudgments. The first was by the court of appeal, which changed Khanā€™s sentence. This had originally been detention for public protection with a minimum of eight years, after which he would have stayed in jail if the parole board considered him still dangerous.

    The appeal court changed this indeterminate sentence into a fixed term of 16 years. As the law then stood, such prisoners were released on licence halfway through their term with no referral to the parole board. So Khan was released after eight years last December. This was despite the original judgeā€™s ruling that the group to which Khan belonged was more dangerous than a second group in the same terror cell because the Khan groupā€™s radicalisation was more sophisticated.

    The appeal court noted that the terrorist plans of the second group had been more advanced than the Khan groupā€™s. It therefore decided that Khan and his associates posed no greater risk than the second group and downgraded the terms from indeterminate to fixed sentences.

    The appeal court judges thus prioritised deeds over beliefs. At the root of their mistake lay a failure to understand fanatical Islam. This failure also characterised the second misjudgment, by both the group that had invited Khan to its conference and the probation service which enabled him to attend: believing that he was a reformed character. This was rooted in a deeper refusal to acknowledge the unique challenges of Islamic extremism, a mistake made by most of the justice establishment.

    This was revealed in comments made after Khanā€™s attack by Ian Acheson, a former counterterrorism officer who in 2015 conducted an independent review of Islamic extremism in the prisons and probation system. He found a shocking degree of ineptitude, defensiveness and absence of will in almost every aspect of the management of terrorist offenders, with ā€œjaw-dropping levels of naivety and bureaucratic obfuscationā€. His evidence suggested ā€œinstitutional timidity to deal with a terrorist threat that is more acute than senior officials want to admitā€, leading him to suspect that ā€œno tangible progressā€ had been made in implementing his proposed reforms.

    Such resistance is based on a refusal to acknowledge the cause of this threat: a currently dominant, literalist interpretation of Islam rooted in its religious teachings and texts which, in Achesonā€™s words, creates ā€œreligious extremists with a martyrdom complexā€.

    Of course, millions of Muslims do not adopt this mindset; indeed, its most numerous victims throughout the world are Muslims themselves. Nevertheless, the fact that it is promoted by the most powerful Islamic religious authorities gives it particular resonance among pious Muslims ā€” who then proselytise their impressionable, disturbed or existentially confused young.

    They may furthermore observe the doctrine of ā€œtaqiyyaā€, the command to deceive for Islam. According to Sami Mukaram, a former Islamic studies professor at the American University of Beirut, this is mainstream. ā€œTaqiyya is of fundamental importance in Islam. Practically every Islamic sect agrees to it and practises it.ā€

    This might explain why de-radicalisation programmes in prison are failing. Many who take part are said to pretend they have changed their views in order to game the system. All this means Islamic radicalisation poses a unique set of challenges. Yet the entire establishment runs terrified from acknowledging any of them for fear of being accused of ā€œIslamophobiaā€, the term used to silence all criticism of the Muslim world.

    The way this atrocity has been politicised is not just distasteful but displays once again the institutional blindness that is part of the problem. Boris Johnson has sought to make political capital out of the fact that Khan was released halfway through his sentence under a policy introduced by a Labour government. In fact, both Tory and Labour governments have produced forms of early release in their attempts to reduce the prison population.

    Even if Khan had served more time behind bars he might still have committed a similar atrocity whenever he was released. In the liberal west we want to believe every criminal is redeemable. Some are. Others are not.

    An unusual note of realism was struck yesterday by the justice secretary Robert Buckland, when he said some prisoners were ā€œnot capable of rehabilitationā€. Extremists, he said, were a ā€œparticularly difficult and complex cohort of peopleā€ who can be ā€œmanipulativeā€ and ā€œhoodwink trained professionalsā€.

    Among Islamic radicals, a high number fall into that category. The job of monitoring on such a large scale is beyond the capacity of the security service and the police. Their task has been made far more difficult by the way almost every proposal to toughen the law has been knocked back on civil liberties grounds.

    Islamic radicalism challenges the liberal orthodoxy that there can be no difference in treatment between groups. The nature and scale of this challenge, however, requires a unique response. With such observations being silenced as ā€œIslamophobicā€, rational concerns for public safety have been stigmatised instead as an obnoxious mental disorder. Unless the establishment gathers its courage and its wits to face that intimidation down, Fridayā€™s atrocity is unlikely to be the last.

    1. Our prisons are rapidly becoming Islamic gang run,we need US style super max’s with solitary confinement as the norm
      Oh Wait we can’t,ECHR would forbid it

      1. Although ECHR is NOT part of the EU, we may withdraw from it and it’s now tainted doctrines anytime – why haven’t we?

        1. It’s not so much that – it’s the fact that we have our Human Rights Act under which a lot of disastrous decisions are made, within this country.

          Had some of those decisions gone to the ECHR they may well have been decided differently, but they werre made by judges over here.

          There are many non-EU countries which are party to the European Convention on Human Rights, and it would look very bad if we withdrew from that

  95. Labour have promised another economy. They will abolish the Criminal Courts. Accustions of criminal behaviour will in future be investigated by the media, and the High Courts will be replaced by Panorama.

  96. Funny old world
    Thomas Mair has a “whole life tariff” and can only be released at the behest of Sec-State
    74 convicted jihadis on the other hand…………………………………

    2. Evening Rik,
      Could say Tommy Robinson has a “whole life tariff” hanging over him and that will only be released when common sense,decency, & justice return to these Isles, and that will NOT be until the voting pattern changes.

      1. Imagine what might happen if Mair radicalised a score of fellow inmates and they all killed their MP on release.

        The law would be changed very quickly.

    4. Do we, in the UK, have a Secratary of State, when we do not even have a Male PM wiv Bollox?

  97. DM : https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7746125/Tory-lead-Labour-narrows-nine-points.html

    Tory lead narrows to nine points as Labour offers massive ‘free’ giveaways to voters and squeezes the Lib Dems on Brexit

    Oh dear!

    People are beginning to realise that the Conservatives cannot be trusted on Brexit or anything else.

    If Johnson had said clearly at outset that he was going to implement a proper Brexit and had made an electoral pact with Nigel Farage then I am sure we would no longer be in danger of a Corbyn government.

    Thank you Mr Johnson – your hubris and refusal to be honest and open have probably effectively signed Britain’s death certificate which will be signed and sealed when Corbyn enters Downing Street on 13th December.

    1. I find Corbyn and his cronies even least trustworthy and in my view they are lying over who will pay for all his Freebies. IT will bot be only the top 5% of tax payers that will only raise a very modest amount of tax but Corbyn is going to be spending over an exrtra Ā£1T

      1. They have admitted as much. At least some Labour wonks have. The rest are still spouting the Free Unicorns Line.

    2. I have no one to vote for, the choices are the currently ‘serving’ Conservative candidate, a Labour one, a LibDem, a Green and a Liberal Party (whatever that is). I’m going to spoil my ballot.

      1. Ditto. My ‘Leaver’ Tory decided to support May’s WA on the second vote. He lost all credibility by making that decision.

        1. Ours voted for May’s 3rd one and for Boris’s WA MkII. The husband of Sheryll Murray came canvassing last week (we’ve never seen one of any political colour in 16 years of living in our quiet village road) and his explanation was they were scared they would lose Brexit entirely. My reply was “It was a shocking deal and we’d have been better off with no deal as was meant to be your policy.” I think he only came because we’d been emailing her and complaining. I said I wouldn’t vote for her and would spoil my vote. He said what about allowing Labour in and I told him that would be his party’s fault if it happened. He only admitted to being Murray’s wife as he was leaving.

          1. His visit was so soul destroying he changed sex? Or was he just identifying as her wife?

    3. Depends what poll you read most are showing the Conservive lead starting to grow again

    4. If Johnson fails to secure a majority will he resign or will he be pushed out? The Tories continued with the disastrous May after her miserable election performance, will they continue with someone else, someone who had what appeared to be a commanding lead in public confidence, under-performing for a second time? There is no doubt in my mind that Johnson/Cummings made a strategic mistake in spurning Farage’s offer of a joint approach to defeating not only Corbyn but the Remain Alliance.
      If Johnson scrapes home there will be a sigh of relief from millions as they realise they have dodged Corbyn’s bullet. What they will not know, because Johnson has not been candid about the issues, is what lies in store for the country if he gets his WA passed. Constant repetition of, “Let’s get Brexit done,” and, “My brilliant deal,” are not substitutes for the unvarnished truth. Johnson will turn out to be a big disappointment if his deal allows the EU to pillage this country. Corbyn/McDonnell or Johnson/EU ruining the UK? Tough choice.

      1. You are entirely right, I am sorry to say!

        We really are in a cleft stick – one way leads to the unmitigated disaster of a Corbyn government; the other leads to annihilation by the EU which will have Britain by the short and curlies if the Johnson sell out WA goes through.

        I would like to see Andrew Neil tear the Johnson ‘brilliant deal’ apart because Johnson’s evasiveness, deceit and dishonestly need to be exposed.

        But will this wipe out the Conservatives to such an extent that Corbyn will have his way eased into Downing Street?

        Bleed poor country, bleed!

  98. Funny old world 2
    These jihadis must pick their victims carefully after all the murders over the last few years I have never heard a single relative turn round and say anything like
    “Bulldoze his mosque” “Deport his entire extended family” “Hang the bastard”
    It’s almost as some views are airbrushed fom history………………………..

    2. Rik,
      The many followers of the
      PC / Appeasementism brigade would not do that would they ?
      Not many Benny.

    3. Jason Mohammed, the radio and sports presenter was hosting a phone-in this morning. It was actually about police resources and mobile phone use whilst driving. But with a tenuous link, One caller suggested that islam was the root of the LB murders, and that fact was quite clear. Jo Mo cut him from the discussion immediately.

    4. The Israelis knock down the houses of the murderers’ families. The United Nations call this a war crime.

      1. It’s a form of punishment that Arabs should not find surprising as ‘kin-punishment’ is traditional in their culture and enshrined in Sharia law.

  99. Oof

    Mark Steyn: “Say what you like about Amazon, but it’s likely to be the last bollard-free retail experience in the western world.

  100. ” We urge people not to speculate” police on this latest
    atrocity.
    Any who speculate will, one would believe feel the full force of PC / Appeasementism descending on their person.

    1. We’ve heard that too many times before. The police’s mealy mouthed “We urge people not to speculate” often serves as a confirmation that people’s speculations are true.

  102. Thought for the evening.

    If Islam is the religion of peace WTF is the religion of war?

    Good night.

  103. “Stand firm against terrorism” come the cry, you make a move judged to be anti PC / Appeasement you are in trouble.
    The veiled threats continue against the indigenous all the while the terrorist play bloody skittles using the peoples.
    There is something tragically, treacherously wrong with the governing politico’s & those that continue to keep them in power.

  104. Politics Is Broken

    I think most people would agree that our current political system is broken, The trouble is the two party cartel control the system and resist any real change so we have an impasse. How we can seize control I dont know

    We need to bring in the planned changes to the current contingencies. We need to bring in PR possibly the same or a similar system as used in Wales and Scotland

    We need legislation that required MP’s that switch parties to have to stand down and fight a by election

    We need proper legislation to enable MP’s who do not adhere to acceptable standards to be recalled

    We need legislation that requires MP’s to implement decisions made by a referendum

    WE need legislation to require MP’ to implement what the elected party puts in their manifesto

    1. BJ,
      You might add any seats won in that parties name, return to that party, on a person leaving the party.

    2. But you sre still going to have the same type of people.
      I would move to binding referendums like the Swiss have.
      i see that as the only way to have some control of the politicians as they have proved they cannnot be trusted.

  105. German Car Industry in Crisis

    Tens of thousand of jobs are going and car production is predicated to go down from a 100M a year to 90M a year a significant drop and it could be worse

      1. Given the car industry is critical to the German economy it is not good news for them and it will even worse news for them if the EU tries to be difficult over a trade deal with us

        1. Well, Angela will have to change the rules and give them a state subsidy to keep things going. After all, they don’t have to pay for an army yet.

    2. For once they can rightly blame it on climate change. To be more accurate, the confected fuss about it.

  106. I only watched the first few minutes of the Panorama programme, the switched off when I heard the way it was being done.
    How in the name of heaven can the BBC be able to put on a vicious onslaught of character assassination like that ?
    Surely Andrew should take a leaf out of Meghan’s book, and sue them.
    There seems to be an agenda to destroy the Royal Family
    I don’t think that woman’s testimony would stand up in court for ten minutes.

    1. He was a bit silly associating with that guy but I dont think it amounts to much more than that

      1. I watched Vienna Blood on another channel and made a point of not seeing any part of the Panorama programme.

    3. I, like most of us, have absolutely no idea about whether or not Prince Andrew is guilty of anything. The most we ‘know’ is based in our own personal feelings and prejudices about the man.

      But if Prince Andrew were to be called to answer any charges in court the BBC has surely now destroyed any case as what the woman has said so publicly must now be deemed ‘inadmissible evidence’.

      1. He’s guilty. He has publicly admitted to visiting Pizza Express, Woking.

        I should probably mention that I’ve had at least two work Christmas lunches in the same establishment… :-((

    4. The prog was a follow up attempt to discredit Andrew. The woman herself did not actually say very much, and her interview was cut with that of PA. IMHO she was a young woman who accepted the hospitality of rich men, travel to private Caribbean Islands, international travel on private jets, all for an unmentioned reward. Around 2015, the looks and money seem to have run out and accusations were lodged. I suspect the motive behind the tears and tissues on cue in the interview, and the court cases, is money.

  111. I don’t want to hear about Prince Andrew’s sweaty antics.

    Why is the BBC pushing this on the news and on Pornorama later.

    I started to read 50 Shades of Grey, and binned it pretty quickly, unreadable real utter rubbish. I really object to Chopper mad Andy antics being broadcast.

    1. I am sure he has not made the most sensible of decision but I am equally sure this is being grossly exaggerated & I doubt he got up to anything he should not have

    2. I read 50 Shades. Well, I read the first five pages. The premise and the set-up is preposterous. Also as dull as ditchwater.

    3. Evening, Belle!

      Did you see the ep of Birds of a Feather where Dorien writes a book called Sixty Shades of Green? It was a nice send-up.

      1. Titter ye a bit

        Andy got those medals from serving in the Falklands

        Corbyn got his from the IRA

        Blair got his from Russia

        Blair Witch got hers from leagal Aid/Car Boot

    5. It is a diversion tactic used by the MSM and in particular the BBC to distract attention from the potential and ensuing Corbyn car crash. There is a real nervousness in the BBC as each day passes and whilst there are few days left to now prevent the inevitable multi-vehicle pile up of the treacherous Labour, SDP and Liberal Democrat parties.

      When elected I just hope Boris makes an early decision to abolish the BBC Licence Fee. Let the buggers earn their wages.

        1. Nobody but a fool would vote for Corbyn. Have faith. There are many highly intelligent folk in the UK and we they will see through Corbyn and his ilk.

          Especially the youngsters whom everyone assumes thick are not so. There are many young folk of sophistication who can see through the Momentum bullshit.

          Let us pray.

    6. So that they can play the loooong Liebore game

      The plebs might want the truth about the GE candidates

      That would never do

  112. Bit chilly on the way home tonight., otherwise an excellent evening of music. A Guinness too far perhaps, but how long are we here for?

    1. Evening M,
      Drank Guinness for years, years ago the mrs ask where I was going & the reply was Nigeria,she asked me what the job was and I said a Guinness brewery, she didn’t bank on seeing me again.

      1. I’ve done my time in Nigeria, Ogga, and tried their bottled Guinness. Like bloody treacle I remember. I once found in a market in Port Harcourt two half dozen packs of imported cans of Guinness and had to haggle for 10 minutes to acquire them.

        1. Morning M,
          I was serving my sentence in Ikeja, i did the same only up the Ivory Coast with a bottle of Guinness, undrinkable, I do believe it was the molasses content.
          Good stuff that & also used as a road surface.

  113. Father of London Bridge terror attack victim Jack Merritt hits out at ‘agenda of hate’ and says son would be ‘livid’

    I think he is misguided. The only hate comes from the terrorist. What people want is for innocent people kept safe from ideologically driven terrorists and clearly the current system is not working so change is needed. Change is not hate

    3. Its quite extraordinary. Essentially, these people misunderstand islam and equate it to christianity. Taqiyya is certainly working well supported by the taxpayer through legal aid.

    4. It’s PC-speak, and usually means the person complaining about an “agenda of hate,” is the one that hates what’s being said…

    5. H’mmmm ā€¦. is there a case for wondering that if the father hadn’t held such views, his son might not have been in the Fishmongers’ Hall on 2nd. December ‘educating’ murderers.

      1. Do you remember Gordon Wilson whose daughter was murdered by the IRA?

        He forgave them for their heinous crime – but the killers never repented and took him for an idiot and showered him with contempt.

    1. Tnterestingly, there is a thread that suggests that this is the second attack by the same person. What were the police doing after the first attack?

        1. No. but see Tuesday Nottlers where a Nottler has quoted a Telegraph report which refers to it. My suspicion is that the police did not take the first incident as seriously as they might have done.

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