Thursday 8 August: The riots have raised fundamental questions about how Britain deals with public disorder

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801 thoughts on “Thursday 8 August: The riots have raised fundamental questions about how Britain deals with public disorder”

  3. Morning, all Y'all.
    Raining. Trains buggered because of power problems. Oh, good.

  4. They think its all over, but its not. It will never be fixed whilst groupsare treated in different ways under the law. Starmer will never recover as he is hated by so many.

    2. The MSM are pushing that fact, the papers are full of stories how “ordinary Brits” crowd the streets to silence the protesters and it happened all over the country.
      It is funny don’t you think how they are all holding the same style placard proclaiming “Stand Up To Racism”. The violent protests may now have fizzled out, and nobody should mourn the fact that they have, but as you say, the issue is still here.
      When people finally decide to stop voting for the blue or red cheeks of the WEF arse can things start to improved. At the moment we have two tier Kier running the show and the official opposition with deafening silence.

    3. 80% of the nation not voting for candidates supporting him did not stop him claiming absolute parliamentary authority for the next five years.

        1. The Scot Nats Party received 724,758 votes and won 9 seats. Reform Party received more than 4,000,000 votes for 5 seats.

      1. 391231+ up ticks,

        Morning S,
        That is also my feelings, that will then give credence to “two tier policing” without any doubt.

  6. Had my new home hub fitted yesterday and our new phone line for better or worse.

    1. It's been the number one issue since the cross channel invasion started, I thought. Are we finally being allowed to notice the invasion? That tells me only that they have enough young men for whatever they're planning, so they will make the boats stop, and we'll be supposed to thank them for it.

      1. 381231= up ticks,

        Morning O,

        UKIP long ago called for CONTROLLED IMMIGRATION but the herd continued down the best of the worst, family tree,
        my great granddad voted lab/lib/con so am I and so is this baby I'm holding voting pattern, we are witnessing NOW their input.

    1. No, it doesn’t appear to be. Have you seen the news about this country’s descent into authoritarian communism?

  9. 391231+ up ticks,

    The kneeler has chose his side, the peoples must surely do the same, the split in the patriots defence was clearly shown in 2016
    as 48% against 52% voting for independent freedom as a nation, a good % is still supporting the political overseers against the SO far right normal, good to meet bloke on the street, peoples.

    New laws will be created as and when the politico kapos require them.

    We truly need a SO far right patriotic UNITY PARTY because currently, after marching up and down the hills of old blighty
    we will, I believe come to some disagreeable agreement of NO benefit to the majority of the herd and continue down the RESET
    path to serfdom

    https://x.com/Lewis_Brackpool/status/1821206990309249319

    1. They're letting the burglars and organised shoplifters and sheep rustlers off with a caution (that's if they catch any) to keep the prisons free for the politicos.

      1. 391231+ up ticks,

        Morning JM,
        For the politico’s eventual incarceration I would say.

      2. It's a pity they closed the asylums, the Commies used to put political prisoners away in mental institutions.

      1. 391231+ up ticks,

        Morning O,

        Any info beneficial to the SO far righters will be deemed illegal by the political governing Kapos seemingly.

      2. Because the PTB don't want you to know about it and certainly don't want you to feel empowered to do the same to relieve your anger and frustration at what they've been doing to the country.

    3. But what will they define as ‘riots’.
      There was allegedly a ‘riot’ in Whitehall last week but all the footage I saw online was of unarmed, apparently peacefully behaved individuals being cuffed by police or, in some cases, dragged to the ground.

  10. Gas prices jump to 2024 high after Ukraine attack. 7 August 2024

    The European benchmark contract on Wednesday jumped as much as 5.7pc to €38.78 (£33.33) a megawatt-hour, surpassing the previous intraday high recorded in early June.

    The surge came amid reports that Ukrainian troops have seized a key gas-transit point in the Russian town of Sudzha. The border town is the only remaining shipment point for the Russian natural gas passing through Ukraine to Europe.

    Sanctions? Who needs them? We wouldn’t want the war to interfere with business.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/07/ftse-100-latest-updates-stock-market-bank-of-japan-rates/

    1. I was wondering what bad news they were burying beneath "Team Geebee" and "unlawful far-right riots and brave and peaceful counter-riots".

      1. The existence of the "Department for Propriety and Ethics" is a pretty big one.
        It sounds like something out of the Soviet Union so I looked it up. There is a Director General and a "team."

          1. Funny, I don’t remember seeing anything about it in any party’s manifesto either. And you’d think the Opposition would be all over something as Stalinist as “Director of Propriety and Ethics”. Yet, nothing is said.

  12. G'morning all,

    Well, it was bright to start with at Castle McPhee but it has clouded over. Wind in the South, 14℃ rising to 20℃ in rain this afternoon.

    Former pensions minister takes a pop at Rachel Thieves.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7c59c7b68ff518b0cbfa4b9ca5f3a4268731df38a68a9fdd60af6bdf85fc7fa1.png

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/07/labour-cuts-winter-fuel-payments-worse-ditching-triple-lock/

    So, it's ok to rob pensioners but pay for security at mosques to protect them from the 'far-right'? Or contribute billions to other countries' climate policies?

    "By their fruits shall ye know them."

    1. From deep in the Spanish interior

      Excessive Heat Warning State Meteorological Agency 28°C
      Thursday 11:02 Sunny

      1. I've recorded 44°c when I lived in Estepona, in about 2015. Just keep in the shade as much as possible.

          1. The last time it got very warm, there were all sorts of tips for keeping your dog safe in the heat. Out of curiosity I looked at them – stay in the shade, walk in the early morning or late evening was about the sum of it. Well, I never thought of that!

        2. My son and family were in Almeria visiting his father in law. Not just hot but very humid. Here much further north, it was 38 degrees today but the heat is very dry.
          Thank god for air conditioning

  13. Good Morning all, yet another cold, breezy, wet morning. The joy of a British summer.

  14. Good morning all.
    A pleasant 10°C on the Yard Thermometer with a bright start and scattered clouds, though rain is forecast for most of the day.
    A run to Congleton to drop off the damaged motorbike and hence to Stoke to visit Stepson whose mental state appears to be much improved and who may be close to being discharged.

  15. Good morning, all. Blue sky, sunshine and breezy here.

    From ogga1's late post yesterday:

    I am just watching Dr David Starkey on YouTube being interviewed by GB News on the current situation, re riots etc.

    He has just said something I have been saying for years now, “We need an English National Party”. The English are under represented politically.

    I agree that we, the enemy, as defined by the parties housing the usual suspects, desperately need a political organisation to unite the indigenous people and the peaceful integrated and assimilated immigrants: I see Reform currently working towards this goal. It is a shame that the small parties that stand for freedom, including Reform, seem unable to coalesce and pool their ideas and resources. We're definitely in a crisis and what better time could there be?

    Whilst I am English, and proud of being a member of that race, can you imagine the opprobrium that the idea of having English and National in a party title would attract from the over-partisan government following MSM? In today's state of affairs the idea would never get off the ground.

    I do not watch MSM news at home but I do catch snippets at other people's homes and without fail any protest group on the streets that doesn't consist of the chosen is called out as far right. This nonsense has even percolated down to local radio news reports. "Far Right" has become ubiquitous where people other than the chosen are concerned. The government and its agents are as pervasive in this operation as they were in the CV-19 Plandemic i.e. spreading misinformation, disinformation and attacking the non-jabbed as 'unclean' and a threat to society.

    1. The "Far right" which doesn't exist seems to have pulled off a bit of a coup last night. Non existent riots which were expected did not take place.

      1. I believe they call it ‘gaslighting’! Good morning Jules!
        Edit : I prefer to call it lying!

      2. I believe they call it ‘gaslighting’! Good morning Jules!
        Edit : I prefer to call it lying!

  16. Buckle up.. bendover and grasp your ankles..

    We have at the heart of government the Dept of Propriety and Ethics. They are about to do to us what Coutts Bank did to Nigel Farage.

    It keeps records on you.. it notes your activity on social media.. it looks at comments made on you on social media.. it takes anonymous accusations against you and compiles files against you.

    Sue Gray was more or less the inventor of it. Which is why she is labelled the key figure in govt. This is nothing to do with policy. It's to do with the regulation of speech. We should all join the Free Speech Union. Its the only thing that stands between most of us and jail.

    David Starkey.

    1. Herr Starmer is surrounded by Irish Republican sympathisers, Sue Gray is one of them, and so is Darrien Tierney, head of the Department for Propriety and Ethics. Another member of that department was Helen MacNamara who was reported to have 'spoken with enthusiasm about "the disruptive power of change" and how "crisis creates the opportunity to be disruptive". Married to an ex Director of the BBC Trust.Just a coincidence, of course.

          4. Isn’t he just joking with a string if letters pretending to be acronyms?

  17. Buckle up.. bendover and grasp your ankles..

    We have at the heart of government the Dept of Propriety and Ethics. They are about to do to us what Coutts Bank did to Nigel Farage.

    It keeps records on you.. it notes your activity on social media.. it looks at comments made on you on social media.. it takes anonymous accusations against you and compiles files against you.

    Sue Gray was more or less the inventor of it. Which is why she is labelled the key figure in govt. This is nothing to do with policy. It's to do with the regulation of speech. We should all join the Free Speech Union. Its the only thing that stands between most of us and jail.

    David Starkey.

  18. BTL Comments with that A. Allan chap making a good comment:-

    Party Pauper
    1 hr ago
    I seem to have fallen down a rabbit hole and emerged in a place where the DT has morphed into The Guardian.

    Reply by Sue Donnelly.
    1 hr ago
    Reply to Party Pauper
    Yes, I thought that. Toeing the Government line obediently, aren't they?

    A Allan
    1 hr ago
    Reply to Sue Donnelly – view message
    Maybe the paper should rename itself Der Starmer.

    1. Editor of the DT is Chris Evans. Other key people are the Barclay brothers and Andrew Neil – the Andrew Neil. It is owned ultimately by Lloyds Banking Group, run by Robin Budenberg, who just happens also to be Chairman of The Crown Estate (88% of the proceeds of which, £400 million last year, go directly to the Government) and Charlie Nunn, who has to exist on a salary of less than £6 million per annum.

  20. Another BTL Comment:-

    Anastasias Revenge
    7 hrs ago
    Thomas Jarman – "emboldened those thuggish racists who seek to harm Muslims, asylum seekers and anyone else they might see as “other”.
    A week or two ago, "thug" was rarely even heard – now it is everywhere, but applied to only one group.
    Never forget that Muslims are also extremely racist
    Or that British people, British children are dead or maimed due to the actions of these groups of others who object to our way of life here.

  21. It seems Allister Heath is not immune to orders from above.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2433b9580fc361070aac035494d2772c14604cb08b6426dedf92f39729495c57.png
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/07/sickening-riots-exposed-our-social-model-as-fraudulent-sham/

    He should be ashamed of this:

    The vast majority, but not all, of the attacks on people and property in recent days have been led by far-Right fascists. The attack on a mosque in Southport was an anti-Muslim pogrom, a heinous act; the attempted burning of hotels containing immigrants was a depraved attempt at engineering a massacre. A Muslim-owned shop was incinerated in Northern Ireland, in a sickening echo of race riots past. There have been numerous racist attacks – white vandals hunting anybody looking non-white, and chanting slogans too grim to print. The targeting of immigration lawyers defiles the rule of law. The assaults against police, the destruction of property and the burning and looting of high street shops: the culprits are disgracing Britain.

    The security in front of the mosque in my local area has been massively enhanced, with far more guards and stewards, all peering intently at the cars as they drive by. For the first time, a dog unit was parked in front. The fear and worry in that community at the surge in anti-Muslim hate in recent days is palpable. Members of other religious minorities are also on edge: imbecilic bigots have never been good at distinguishing between different non-Christian faiths.

    I wonder if Allison Pearson will buckle too.

    1. That A Allan chap was right – the DT is in full Der Starmer mode now – you can tell by the complete failure to realise that Two Tier policing is real and by the number of times they use the phrase "Far/Hard Right". Pity we like the puzzles!

      1. The crossword is the only reason I haven't cancelled my subscription. I should have done the moment I was shadow-banned in the comments.

        1. What is shadow banned Mac? I have noticed that I can post in the DT, but never, ever, get a reply or any ticks, up or down.

          1. Ah. I would suggest that you too have been shadow-banned. You can post, you can read your post, but no-one else can.

            It happened to me on 6th January 2022 after I had posted links to interviews with Dr Mike Yeadon and Dr Wolfgang Wodarg about the fake 'virus' and the dangerous 'vaccines'.

            If you contact the mods at the DT they will be happy to confim that you have been shadow-banned but the response to any further question on your part or request for the reason will be crickets.

          3. Ah. I would suggest that you too have been shadow-banned. You can post, you can read your post, but no-one else can.

            It happened to me on 6th January 2022 after I had posted links to interviews with Dr Mike Yeadon and Dr Wolfgang Wodarg about the fake 'virus' and the dangerous 'vaccines'.

            If you contact the mods at the DT they will be happy to confim that you have been shadow-banned but the response to any further question on your part or request for the reason will be crickets.

          4. Open a second account, with a second emsail, preferably on a different network (e.g. use your phone), and you can see for yourself. So many of these comments groups are astroturfed to hell and full of state/nefarious actors, if not actual bots. See the work of Alex Kriel, for instance. Media/paper comments pages pretty much died around 2013-2015, in particular gwuardians CiF, where they had to continuosly turn off comments and infuse the threads with ‘management’, an it often around the very topics active in the news right now.

          5. Thanks for that. very interesting. I think we are still clean at Free Speech. If you can, nip over and let us know how to keep it that way.

            freespeechbacklash.com

    3. What utter claptrap. During my life I have met very few genuine fascists. In recent years, I have met a lot of people, probably including myself, who are just small c conservatives and don't want their country wrecked by the deliberate import of millions of young men whose first action on our shores is breaking our laws.

      1. And the 'THEY' are still referring to the invaders as 'asylum seekers'.
        They should have sought asylum in Europe, but they don't get everything for nothing in Europe only Britain does that. And by doing so, robs our elderly retired tax payer's of a comfortable life.

        1. Scandi and Germany pay everything, I think. Italy and France don’t – so they don’t stay there. It’s logical behaviour on the part of the migrants. I just blame our politicians for setting up free money and open borders, neither of which are good for society.

  22. Do we all think we're going to have our collars felt if we keep posting our political opinions in the tones we do here and elswhere?

    1. It seems to me that they want you to think that this might be the case, but I think it unlikely unless you give explict support to violence,

    2. Those new laws which appeared for 'our safety' and which a number of commentators said could be used by the government against their opposition and free speech have certainly been exercised to the full. The 'Black Belt Barrister' explains on Youtube the law around current affairs and the legal detail on posting on platforms is framed to catch whoever they want. I always take a little care in my posts but will be somewhat more guarded in future. You should be able to express your our own opinions but that freedom is well and truly gone. And, we ain't seen anything yet. Islamophobia laws will be being drawn up as we speak..

      1. The muslims have long wanted blasphemy laws to protect their ideology. I remember thinking in the 90s that it was a bad idea and it's an even worse one now.

    3. How many operatives would be needed to do that? Most of my XTwitter posts go completely unnoticed by the vast majority of its billions of users. When I get upticks there it’s usually our own Ndovu or ogga1 (thank you). Only the high scoring stuff rises to the top and even then algorithms dominated by your personal browsing history come into play.

      1. AI can scan everyone's posts on Twitter or Disqus.
        Might be a good idea to develop a chat platform…..can't be that hard, surely??

        1. But AI will return billions of negative results. Acting on them still requires human agency.

          1. They only have to arrest a few to scare everyone else….
            You may be right about a certain safety in numbers though.

          2. also they could batch-freeze everyone’s accounts. That’s how they operate on the Daily Mail I think, to get rid of dissenters

      1. Some of us prefer crosswords or sudokus but many Nottlers are more keen on Wordle.

  23. Any doctors in the house? If so please nip over to Free Speech and and give an opinion of our new article on cholesterol. It might be of interest to anyone interested in their health.

    Freespeechbacklash.com

    1. I'm a Dr, but an engineering one, not a medic.
      Still, I'll go over and take a read. Your material is definitely worth it!

      1. Thanks Oberst, hope you’ll become a regular. Leave a comment if you don’t mind.

    2. I posted this on your website a few minutes ago.

      I took statins for a month or so about 10 years ago. They crippled me and I don’t think I’ve ever recovered. Muscle pain, reduced ability to walk, rising creatin kinase level that nearly destroyed my kidneys. Had many tests via Rheumatologist the last being an electromyogram when a Neurologist was present. He asked the Rheumatologist, if he could go no further, to refer me to him. He initially thought I had IBM, Inclusion body myosotis, a disease similar to muscular dystrophy. After another series of tests, including a muscle biopsy, he concluded that I should never have been prescribed statins as my level was marginal of the the current suggested level. He said doctors have got to get back to prescribing for the patient and not by government diktat.
      Despite that history my doctors still want me to take statins even though my cholesterol level is 3.6. When I challenge them they say it’s no longer just about cholesterol but ‘because of my age and profile’ I stand a 50% chance of having a heart attack. My response is to say that I stick with the 50% chance of not having them.

      2. My doctor wanted to get me on them. He succeeded in getting me to take one – pravastatin, I think it was, 40 mgms. I felt so awful the next day, it messed with my brain, my visual perception and auditory perception and sentence structure, that I refused to try another brand. It took 48 hours for the effect to wear off. The doctor told me "well, you have a 10% chance of having a stroke or heart attack in the next 10 years according to your profile" so I told him that means I have a 90% chance of not having one and that was good enough for me. (10 years have elapsed and I am fine.) I haven't taken one since. I think in most cases one's body knows what to produce, and we need our cholesterol for repair work in the body, to synthesise with sunlight to form Vit D to keep our immune system in order, and cholesterol forms a significant part of the brain. It really does make one wonder why they want increasingly lower levels of this vital stuff. I realise that in some cases, fortunately rare, that there is a condition by the name of familial hypercholesterolaemia that may need statins to keep the over-production of cholesterol under control in that person.

        Poppiesdad took statins for a few weeks but he suffered from aches and pains and his memory for getting to places was wiped out, this was before much was known about statins but I recalled Dr James le Fanu had a column in the DT and he had gone into the side effects in some detail.

        I really do wonder why doctors are in the profession that they are. Oh, yes, follow the money every time in any which direction it may come from.

        I am sorry you have had such a bad time with these horrible drugs.

        1. My surgery said I was in the "at risk" group and should be prescribed statins. I refused.

  24. JAMES O’BRIEN APOLOGISES FOR CALLING RIOTS “FARAGE RIOTS”
    https://youtu.be/o-YfG1BiXoo
    Raging lefty James O’Brien has apologised to Nigel Farage after labelling the recent riots “the Farage Riots” yesterday. The virtue-signalling presenter now says it was “a slip of the tongue” following his usual tirade against Farage…

    Farage fact-checked the coinage of the phrase, pointing out he has “never encouraged non-democratic means.” Now James, who isn’t even a real radio disc-jockey, has issued a characteristically whiny response: “Did I call them the Farage Riots? I’m so sorry, I’m so sorry, I should have called them the Farige Riots. I apologise.” An insincere apology as expected from the morally righteous O’Brien…

      1. Ah, but such action would call for a level of impartiality that neither the government not the police would be capable of showing.

    5. The man O'Brien ought to be buried up to the neck in a large tub of festering excrement and left there until he is prepared to apologise sincerely for his very repulsive existence.

  25. Good morrow, Gentlefolk, today’s (recycled) story

    Management Organisation

    An organisation is like a tree full of monkeys, all on different limbs at different levels.

    Some monkeys are climbing up, some down.

    The monkeys on top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces.

    The monkeys on the bottom look up and see nothing but arseholes.

      1. Certainly does and, as Paul (Oberstleutnant) says, they are preparing to sh1t all over us from a great height.

          3. Mars is also big in this. I suppose I might have known having seen their objectionable advertisements over the last few years which do not seem to push the product just some truly ridiculous themes. One of my friends- his father began his career working at Mars as a salesman- eventually crossing over to the company's UK advertising agency- Masius, becoming the chairman- a driven man but while he was there all Mars products- including the Pedigree Petfoods were held by the agency. That changed after he retired to his disappointment but he would be horrified by the quality of the ads that promote the company's products these days. I do not think any of them will have been created in the UK- global crapola for today's mad world.

          4. A good excuse to boycott Mars products (not that i buy them). Family has learned the hard way that Ben & Jerry’s is not allowed in the house!

          6. A bit like "The People's Democratic Republic of the Congo."

            Only the word "Congo" in that phrase makes any sense.

        4. Responsible, they must be expecting their first member participating member any day soon.

          All I can see from our MSM is government mouthpieces.

    2. Musk was boasting yesterday that Twitter is now the UK's number 1 source of news. Whether that's true or not, we'd be foolish not to realise that the resources that have always been directed at managing the radio, TV and papers are now being directed at Twitter.

  28. Morning all 🙂😊
    Lovely sunny start again, I wonder how long this will last today.
    Fundamental questions have arisen regarding public disorder ?
    I wonder if the real question is, why have successive governments knowingly and quite deliberately set out to wreck our culture and social structure ? So much so that people feel obviously extremely frustrated with the hatefilled government attitudes towards the general public, that the usually docile British people are now up in arms over their even now, continual betrayal.

    1. Morning Eddy.

      As I posted elsewhere, if you want to create a new society, you first have to destroy the existing one.

      1. As I image millions of brits will be saying. Who the hell do ‘they’ think they are, that they have the right to set out to destroy our long established culture and its society.

    2. Ah but we are NOT "up in arms" and in most places, where there are Muslim enclaves, they can assemble more crowds of young males than we can.

  30. Anyone seen mention on Al Beeb that muslims have threatened to kill people at Taylor Swift concerts and thus those concerts have been cancelled in Australia?

    They kill here and we're kicked about by plod. They kill over there and we have to adapt. We always have to give way to the alien. Plod should have let us sort the problem out.

  31. Eventually:
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    1. Same here!
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  32. Good morning, all Late on parade. Bad gut rot throughout the night. Staying in bed. Look in later. Prolly.

  33. Shamima Begum to take citizenship case to the ECHR
    UK Supreme Court refuses to hear appeal against removal of British nationality
    James Crisp: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/07/shamima-begum-loses-final-bid-citizenship/

    And I expect she will win.

    And I expect Starmer will welcome her 'home' with open arms.

    And yes, British Law is redundant, no longer necessary and can be overruled especially when Starmer is determined to take us back into the EU.

    1. Who is funding her legal costs?

      And if she finally wins at the ECHR will all her costs and expenses then be refunded to her?

      I imagine she will, in due course, become very rich which all goes to show the terrorism and murder can be a good career choice for a young girl.

    2. Telegraph BTL, Mr Guy Farrish:

      Total abnegation of our duties in international law.

      Bring her back to the UK. Charge her if she has committed a crime and let due process take its course.

      This is more Orwellian than most things we do. She has no nationality, no rights and we have no humanity.

      I am totally against militant Islam but what we are doing in this case makes their case for them.

      We helped groom her and transport her to ISIS via a Canadian intelligence officer.

      Appalling decision.

      https://www.telegraph.co.uk…

    3. Telegraph BTL, Mr Guy Farrish:

      Total abnegation of our duties in international law.

      Bring her back to the UK. Charge her if she has committed a crime and let due process take its course.

      This is more Orwellian than most things we do. She has no nationality, no rights and we have no humanity.

      I am totally against militant Islam but what we are doing in this case makes their case for them.

      We helped groom her and transport her to ISIS via a Canadian intelligence officer.

      Appalling decision.

      https://www.telegraph.co.uk…

  34. This video I took in Leeds sums up why white communities are bubbling with rage. Isabel Oakeshott. 8 August 2024.

    Elites who cannot comprehend these violent uprisings should spend time in parts of this country that are impoverished and disenfranchised.

    Oakeshott was obviously asked to do a piece on the riots with suitable condemnation of the perpetrators. Instead she wrote this Dickensian diatribe on Harehills which was the location of a Muslim riot not so long since. I doubt the editor can sack her for it but one wishes that more journalists had even this much spine.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/08/06/riots-are-cry-of-rage-and-despair-from-wretched-communities/

  35. Douglas Murray
    The unfashionable truth about the riots
    From magazine issue:
    10 August 2024

    As the days slip by, the likelihood that anything will be learned from the recent rioting looks ever more remote. And with that suspicion comes the inevitable sense of déjà-vu. Because we have indeed been here before.

    In 2011 England was engulfed by riots, originating in London but leading to copycat violence across the north of England. The ostensible cause that time was the shooting by police of Mark Duggan, a charming young drug dealer who was in possession of a gun. The initial unrest in Tottenham may well have started as a result of claims that police had shot an innocent man – and an innocent black man at that. But by the time Birmingham, Manchester and Liverpool were going at it, the proximate cause for the violence seemed to have been forgotten.

    The coalition government set up a panel to look into the causes of the violence, and as with most such government panels it was made clear from the start what the answers could not be. Indeed, after the report was released The Spectator published a minority report by Simon Marcus, one of the members of the panel, blowing the whistle on matters his fellow panel members refused to consider. These things included gang membership and ‘an epidemic of father absence’.

    Equally interesting is to look at the few things that people were allowed to focus on back then. The 2011 riots happened in the aftermath of the great crash of 2008. Many government officials and wise heads in the media tried to understand the spate of lawlessness by looking at things through this lens. One of the few acceptable questions to ask about those riots regarded the correlation between deprivation and rioting. This was one of the fashionable things to fix on.

    Doubtless similar fixations will emerge now. The long-defunct English Defence League and the question of social media appear to be the main focuses of permitted attention. But I decided to do some checking on the employment stats for some of the northern towns that have seen the worst rioting in the past week. I also checked the 2011 statistics and then compared the two. I should warn you in advance that if you’re easily depressed, you should look away now.

    Back in 2011, the proportion on out-of-work benefits (including incapacity benefit) in Sunderland was 18 per cent; today it is 19 per cent. In 2011 the unemployment figure in Rotherham was 16 per cent; today it is 18 per cent. In Hartlepool, it was 21 per cent; today, 23 per cent. Consider just that last one. A quarter of people of working age in the area are claiming welfare for incapacity or worklessness.

    If you look at the figures for the towns in which rioting has occurred in the past week, there is not one of them in which the job situation has improved in 13 years. In every one, the employment has got demonstrably worse since 2011.

    Let us assume that unemployment and the resultant hopelessness were factors in the 2011 riots. Personally, I am slightly reluctant to do so, because plenty of people who have had every disadvantage in life do not decide to burn police stations. But since this was seen as one of the causes of the 2011 conflagration, why did nothing get better? Why, instead, did it get measurably worse?

    One reason is that from 2011 until today, all three main parties have followed the same model on job creation. Seemingly un-able to actually improve education, incentives and job opportunities in these areas, they went for the easy route. That was to issue visas for migrants to come to the UK and to claim that the economy was growing as a result. Of course this ‘growth’ is almost entirely faked. Study after study shows that this type of migration benefits the migrant (naturally) but does almost nothing to improve the actual economy. In fact for many people it undercuts local labour and, due to increased demand for housing and limited housing stock, it makes their situation much worse.

    At the time of the 2011 riots, foreign-born workers accounted for 14 per cent of the UK workforce. Today it’s 21 per cent. Employment has grown by 3.6 million since 2011, but fully 74 per cent of this is down to immigrant workers.

    In these figures you see one of the inevitable failures of consecutive governments. The economy has created more jobs, but this has not reduced the workless levels of local populations. The communities who needed the work have been bypassed. ‘Left behind’ doesn’t do justice to what has happened, because it makes it sound like it happened in a fit of absentmindedness. It didn’t. It was a decision. So while 3.6 million more are in work compared with 2011, only 929,000 were born here. The job creation benefited many people, but it did not do much for Bolton, Sefton or Rotherham.

    There will be plenty of discussion in the coming days about the cultural and immigration factors in these riots – as there should be. But this other cause of the unrest should not be ignored. Successive governments promised to do something to help improve the lives of people in these towns. An inclusive economic model, we were told. A dividend of Brexit, even. But they didn’t just do nothing. They did worse than nothing.

    Our government has the same choice the Conservative and coalition governments had. It could focus on getting people into work and bringing work back to these areas. Or, like the governments before them, it could try to cover up the problem with immigration. As the Tory party could tell them, it is an easy and addictive fix. Does Keir Starmer have the guts to go cold turkey? Everything will depend on whether he does.

    **********************************************
    Balfour
    3 hours ago edited
    Douglas Murray writes another great article. But Murray does not write that almost all the immigrants are Muslim who will assimilate 0nly if a Muslim man marries a non-Muslim woman who converts to Islam.
    So the Muslim numbers will increase rapidly even if the migrants stopped.

    As Islam is a political religion as much as a spiritual religion we will have a growing political force in the UK that believes in Sharia law and has a political bonding with the world-wide Muslim community. This of course means taking the Muslim side in any conflict involving non-Muslims but staying very quiet when Muslims are thrashing each other (Syrian civil war). We are already seeing this in the Gaza war and how the Muslim hysteria against it (genocidal Israelis) has affected the government and the media reporting of this war.

    Facts on the ground show that the Muslim effect is taking over. At this rate within ten years the UK and Europe will be Islamised to the extent that Turkey is today which is still democratic but has an Islamist leader or like Iran is. But Iran has already thrown away the shackles of democracy.

    It seems that the common man has grasped this problem far quicker than the establishment because he lives amongst Muslims. He understand in his belly what is happening. The riots will only increase in the years to come.

    Alastair Harris
    4 hours ago
    Be honest. Starmer panicked. He sees “far right” demons lurking everywhere. And he is not up to the job of governing.
    Be doubly honest. The tories are in such a mess that they can’t even muster a decent opposition out of a massive own goal. The best they could manage was to pick a fight with their own demon – Farage.
    And in the final analysis we have seen gangs of Muslim youngsters running around looking for someone to vent against, and the police engaging with disaffected and bored youth.
    The depressing bit is that when this blows over we are stuck with a PM who is about as useful as a wet fart in a spacesuit.

    Dahlia Travers
    2 hours ago
    It’s all OK. The problem is solved!
    Last night thousands of ordinary decent people turned out on the streets to affirm the UK’s welcome for refugees and rejection of racism. This followed massive media publicity of intended ‘far right’ gatherings, to a point where GPs were being told to shut their surgeries early and the HOC speaker advised MPs to work from home. Fortuitously the ordinary decent people who spontaneously decided to nip down to their local High Street were able to get their hands on red and yellow placards that had a remarkable uniformity.
    It is almost as if it had all been organised well in advance.

    nanumaga
    8 hours ago
    A useful retrospective analysis from Douglas Murray which doesn't leave me filled with optimism.

    My main concern arising from the protests and riots over the last week is that this illustrates the results of successive governments' policies on mass immigration and the fact that this was done entirely without the consent of the public. At no time was a public discussion on the subject allowed, much less, promoted by either Labour or the Conservatives over the last 25 years.

    Of serious concern, related to this fundamental dishonesty, I fear that we may be losing the crucial component which has underpinned our Police Service/Force since its inception – public consent. By isolating and stigmatising a sector of the public, prior to prosecuting large numbers of those people for their behaviour during the riots, the Government is sending a message. Unfortunately, it's not a message which will be received and happily understood by many people who have watched an obvious two tier policing operate for some many years now.

    Apart from those who are already being convicted and sent to jail, there will be some who take a broader view and wonder why the Police and the Prosecution Service have ignored thousands of offences committed by others over the last few decades. I refer obviously to the widespread, largely ignored and euphemistically described 'grooming' gangs which operate(d) in dozens of towns and cities around the country and perpetrated assaults on thousands of very young girls. I also refer to the weekly assemblies in London of people openly advocating for a proscribed terrorist organisation – a crime in itself.

    I worry that we may be on the brink of seeing the Police lose the consent of a significant chunk of the wider public premised on the totality of these factors.

    I have no idea where we go if this happens. Clearly, a more authoritarian mode of policing might become necessary.

    It just so happens that I know just the right Prime Minister and government which would be happy to oblige with this.

  37. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2f1ecdc4b57e43b9fcfc306e49da350dfdfc13d0a9fa59fb2daa0e9dda27bfe0.png
    Ridley: Thyroid condition leaves me ‘tired but wired’

    Daisy Ridley has opened up about Graves’ disease that left her with a racing heart rate, weight loss and fatigue in an interview with Women’s Health (inset)

    DAISY RIDLEY, the Star Wars actress, has revealed that she has been diagnosed with the thyroid condition Graves’ disease after initially dismissing her symptoms as just being annoyed.

    The London-born celebrity was diagnosed with the autoimmune condition last September and has said that she first experienced symptoms while filming Magpie, the psychological thriller.

    Though she initially put her symptoms down to stress from the role, Ridley was referred to an endocrinologist after seeking medical attention. The 32-year-old actress was suffering from racing heart rate, weight loss, fatigue and tremors, she told Women’s Health magazine.

    She said: “I thought, ‘Well, I’ve just played a really stressful role; presumably that’s why I feel poorly.’”

    When the doctor said that Graves’ can make you feel “tired but wired”, Ridley said: “It was funny, I was like, ‘Oh, I just thought I was annoyed at the world,’ but turns out everything is functioning so quickly, you can’t chill out.”

    Graves’ is an autoimmune condition in which the immune system produces antibodies that cause the thyroid to produce too much thyroid hormone, according to the NHS website.

    Ridley had some of the most common symptoms, with shaky hands also another telltale sign of the condition. Scientists do not know what causes Graves’ disease but say that treatments can help manage the condition and improve quality of life.

    In 2010, Sia, the Australian singer-songwriter, confirmed in a tweet that she had Graves’ disease.

    Missy Elliott, the US rapper, has also confirmed that she started struggling with the disease since 2008.

    The condition normally affects young and middle-aged women and is thought to run in families, despite the cause being unknown.

    Since receiving her diagnosis, Ridley has begun to take daily medication alongside adopting lifestyle changes including using infrared saunas, cryotherapy, massages and acupuncture to try and manage her condition.

    She also says that she is using crystals to promote emotional balance, self-love and peace.

    “In the grand scheme of things, it’s much less severe than what a lot of people go through,” Ridley told the magazine.
    “Even if you can deal with it, you shouldn’t have to. If there’s a problem, you shouldn’t have to just [suffer through it].”

    The star of Young Woman And The Sea also decided to eat gluten-free foods alongside her vegan diet.

    “I am not super strict about it, but generally cutting down on gluten makes me feel better,” Ridley told the magazine.
    “I’ve always been health conscious, and now I’m trying to be more wellbeing conscious.”

    It is a real tragedy that no one explained to you that proper research has conclusively proven that eating vegetables, carbohydrates, sugars, seed-oils and processed food is the root cause of ALL modern diseases. 'Vegans' may cover their eyes and ears and "thkweam, thkweam, thkweam until they are thick", but conclusive data obtained by stable isotope analysis of archaeological samples of ancient human bones clearly show that we are indisputably, naturally, carnivore.

    Moreover it also shows that a carnivorous diet makes us physically stronger, exponentially much more healthy, and mentally sharper. Stop killing yourselves by eating unnatural foods.

    1. Yo Mr Grizz

      No use eating a Veggie or a Vegan then, when the world turns to (Vegan) Custard then

        1. Morrisons "Eat Smart" custard.

          Ingredients
          Reconstituted Skimmed Milk, Water, Reconstituted Buttermilk (Milk), Sugar, Modified Maize Starch, Palm Oil, Flavouring, Colours (Carotenes, Paprika Extract)
          Dietary Information
          Contains Milk

          I sniggered at the "Dietary Information".

          1. Indeed.

            Eat a concoction of weird chemicals: become a weird concoction of weird chemicals.

          2. I don't like sweeteners (aspartame or saccharine) and I've found it really difficult to get even ordinary tonic water without either one or the other.

    2. One of my fellow servers in church, a retired paediatrician, tried to dissuade two of the younger members of the team from pursuing a vegan diet. One of the two has been away sick with a nasty skin condition for some months now and the other passed out at the altar rail while carrying a large candlestick last Sunday morning. He was lucky that the members of the congregation seated nearest to him acted quickly and caught both him and the candle as they fell, thereby preventing him from banging his head on the stone step.

      1. Vegan diets are very complex in order to remain healthy, Sue, as I'm sure you know. We've evolved over centuries and survived only through being omnivores….don't stand still whatever you do 😀

        1. Yes, a friend of mine who lives in Cyprus manages her mostly vegan diet rather better – though even she has been advised by her doctor not to do it. She's selective though and will eat dairy as long as it's Cypriot village produce and not from the supermarket!

          1. She’ll doubtless see a lot better weather, too – friend of mine’s father lived and died there, was a great place to be. Do you remember some years ago, various women followed the sunshine diet…just sunbathing, nothing to eat or drink…until one died in a tent on a hillside…dieting seems to be a female issue more than male? (PS would love to try that dairy….!)

        2. Humans ate a carnivorous diet from the time we evolved as a separate species. This kept us physically fit and strong and mentally sharp. This accounts for 96% of the time span of human existence.

          It was a mere 10,000 years ago (less than 4% of human existence) that the ancient Babylonians and Egyptians first commeced agriculture and the growing and consumption of grains and vegetables. Since then, the stable isotope analysis of the bones of our ancestors reveals that innumerable so-called 'modern' diseases can be traced back to that event.

          Eating animal fat and protein keeps you healthy. Eating vegetation, carbohydrates, sugars, alcohol, seed oils and the masses of processed 'food' presented to us daily is the prime reason for failing human health.

          I am in possession of a large amount of irrebuttable evidence to this fact. [See the data in my other post today (above).]

          1. My husband has been following the Carnivore Diet (meat, fish, dairy, eggs) for a while now, says he’s never felt better – BP down, blood sugar stabilised, come off a lot of his Type 2 meds (I went a bit nuts when I found he was on 13 different ones). Possibly when we lived on seashore we ate fish and greens, moving inland with worsening weather in winter to live in caves and then hunting in a group to bring down various animals….

    3. You're preaching to the converted in me, as you know, but I rather think that calling it the "root cause of ALL modern diseases" is going to distract many people. Just sayin' 😉

      1. I am all for ‘distracting’ a few people. I’m even more in favour of waking them up.😘

        1. Absolutely! More power to your elbow. I just think using ‘many’ or ‘most’ instead of ‘ALL’ might be a more effective way to do so x

      2. I think it is one of the causes, ashes, and I think another major cause is modern allopathic medicine and its accompanying vaccines.

  38. Much has been said about the Far Right – which seems to be made up of a very large proportion of of the indigenous British population. Uncontrolled immigration is certainly not popular and is one of the problems which neither the Conservatives nor the Labour government are prepared to address.

    Of course another root of the problem is that many of the immigrants refuse to integrate culturally and socially and instead of protecting mosques Starmer should think of ways to encourage Muslims to get involved with British culture.

    Last week I bemoaned the fact that there is not, as far as I know, an Islamic P.G. Wodehouse Society. But maybe something less cerebral and a bit more physical could prove to be even more attractive.

    How about an Islamic Morris Dancing side? The members could replace their machetes with wooden staffs (or should I say staves?) and decorate their headgear and smocks with brightly coloured ribbons or sashes and wear garters at knee height fitted with bells which ring merrily as they prance about doing their ethnically English dances while waving handkerchiefs in the air. Traditionally women did not participate in Morris Dancing and this might encourage the more timid followers of Allah to join an all male side.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a7bff6fb36771ddf139823d80c7d6947d5b0a5679d4ee24ea07b630b2798bd3d.png

    1. Encourage them to read Arthur Ransome's Swallows and Amazons series – it's gently moralising.

      1. Good morning Grizzly

        Is that you in the middle?

        Calls Stealers Wheel to mind.

        2. I’m fourth from the left, Katy.

          We devised the comical routine to entertain officers from visiting forces during the 1984–85 Miners’ strike. Mainly to alleviate the tedium of 12-hours shifts when nothing was happening. This photo was taken by an officer from Devon & Cornwall Police at Creswell Colliery in N E Derbyshire.

          1. Very handsome, Grizz 🙂 I remember the photos from the Miners Strike, friend of mine knew the photographer (or so he said). How does anyone stay fully alert on a 12 hour shift when nothing happens? An art in itself. Good you have the keepsake:-)

    1. As so very sadly predicted. per Judge Judy I'd like to be a long legged blond 5'6" and an intellectual. Not going to happen:-)

    3. Spend £millions chopping bits off and creating false Bristols – wait a while – spend £billions more treating mental problems, removing deflated Bristols and sticking false hose pipes on welfare dependant morons. What possible benefit is that? Sorry Mr Bank Manager, who did you say? Oh! Those people.

  40. Don’t worry, plenty of money to pay for it. After all, who needs hip replacements and cataract operations? Especially now all the useless eaters who need them are going to freeze to death this winter.

  41. Good morning all,

    Drizzle here , we need it , although the harvesters have been busy all night for several nights .

    The slow throb of the combines is the sound of farming that we are all familiar with , and what will they do , and how will they cope when diesel becomes unobtainable .. the size of the combine harvesters are quite awesome , and when you watch the tractors and trailers slowly progressing alongside the big machines as the grain is blown into the the huge grain container , the smell is heavenly .

    Our summer is moving on so quickly , the next harvest here will be the maize , but that will be later , usually September .

    The tractors are busy travelling backwards and forwards on our small roads to the grain stores . Holiday traffic is not very patient , and people find it very difficult to travel slowly .

    Several villages here have changed their signage to 20mph from 30mph . Drivers are impatient and as cars are more powerful, people don't give a damn .

    1. The joys of country living. It was more remote in Norfolk but I remember the noise well a convoy of empty sugar beet trucks driving so fast throgh the village in the night.

    2. Farming will be a thing of the past when oil is banned. No farmers – no food. No people.

  42. You could be more charitable to these poor deluded folks. How about donating your penis and ballsack seeing as you don't need them any more.

    2. Mine still work just fine.
      I’d offer them yours, but there’s be no takers nobody wants one that old, rusty and bent.

  43. I am deeply depressed to see how many white "useful idiots" there are in these "counter protests". Suspect almost none of them work in the private sector and the counter protesters live on the lax and generous taxpayer dollar.

    1. And they roll up to a protest organised by the "Socialist Workers Party". There was no "Far Right" demo.

      1. A new Sky investigation has revealed that MPs are making millions on the side, often from dark money donors.

        We’ve come to expect it from the Tories. Mired in sleaze, they top the list.

        But it doesn’t stop there. Labour MPs, including Shadow Health Minister Wes Streeting, Yvette Cooper and Dan Jarvis are revealed to have accepted hundreds of thousands of pounds of dark money from mysterious shell company MPM Connect.

        If we’re to restore faith in politics, Labour must lead from the front.

        Allowing dark money into Labour sets a dangerous precedent, opening the door to corporate interest before the public good.

        That’s why we’re demanding that:

        Labour recommits to the pledges made in the 2019 manifesto to clean up politics – including banning the funnelling of dark money through shell companies.
        Labour MPs in receipt of funding from dark money groups should return the donations immediately.
        Here’s what you can do to support the campaign.

        What you can do
        Use our Lobbying tool to write to Keir Starmer and Wes Streeting voicing our demands.
        Pass our model motion in your CLP.

        Get Involved!
        https://peoplesmomentum.com/ban-dark-money/

        2. Ahh, the professional politician, brought to us by Bliar. No longer old and experienced, able and willing to give something back. Now young careerists looking to maximise income.

        3. Over the years, most of us has commented on how politicians from the most humble backgrounds become affluent by the time they retire (or are retired).
          Their actual salary and pension do not provide such riches.

      2. Where do they get the money for those placards? Where are they printed? As the greatest oxymoron going has to be 'socialist worker'.

  45. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQhgT_h90Ms&list=WL&index=66 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/84e411d0723fb5f22b58991fc0feca375b84a27fa9655ff0678b8578a229d044.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f99a43bb323b69f3c4c9e676252fb773a52dd67c9ff195c904c445ec7158b20e.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8fb78a67b6b83399b7408d664fcc9116e8642f8aa4ac71527db6bea0e7b65ed2.jpg
    Vegans might do themselves a favour by watching, listening to, and reading this. The global corporations, 100 years ago, concealed this research; and eating processed (crap) 'food' was pushed by those with vested interests, to the detriment of human health on a global scale.

    It carries on today and most people put the eating unnatural food before their health.

  48. British taxpayer, I think, Rastus – she's still a British citizen? Presumably refunded if she is?

    1. I thought she was stripped of her British citizenship, but still retains her Bangladeshi one.

      1. Seems like Sajid David did exactly that. The ECHR works in wonderful ways, ones that most of us neither understand nor like.

    1. 9,501..
      Humza Yousaf: Riots could force my family and I to leave UK
      Scottish-born former first minister says he and other Muslim Britons feel ‘sense of belonging’ is being questioned

    2. Reeves doesn't understand. She's a toddler playing in a sandpit throwing the sand and toys out of it and wondering why there's no sand left.

      To her, growth (and I realised this too late) is state growth. More public sector, more debt, more tax, an ever bigger pile of debt and tax. To her, that's growth. She has no concept of actually creating wealth because she doesn't understand the difference.

  53. That's all right – there will be many more thousands of immigrants to replace them who will contribute to the Economy much more than will be lost by these selfish millionaires taking their money abroad.

    Where's the sarcasm button in disqus?

  54. Two-Tier Keir showed his true colours years ago. We should have seen the warning signs
    Far-right rioters are worthy of condemnation, but accusations of two-tier policing are becoming harder to deny

    Michael Deacon
    Columnist & Assistant Editor
    8 August 2024 • 8:11am https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/08/08/keir-starmer-elon-musk-two-tier-far-right-riots/

    'Scuse the huge amount of thread … interesting conversations though.

    Hugh Tredegar
    3 min ago
    THERE ARE PROBLEMS.
    PRETENDING THEY ARE NOT THERE LEADS TO CIVIL WAR.
    …Gary Limericker
    Remember: if you oppose the following, the Establishment consider you to be 'Far Right':
    2005 7 July central London bombings 52 killed 700 injured.
    2007 30 June Glasgow airport bombing 5 people injured
    2010 14 May stabbing of Stephen Timms
    2013 22 May Lee Rigby decapitated
    2017 22 March Westminster Bridge attack 4 killed 50 injured
    2017 22 May Manchester Arena bombing 22 dead (including 10 children,) 139 injured
    2017 3 June London Bridge attack 8 people killed 48 wounded
    2017 15 September Parsons Green bombing 30 people injured
    2018 14 August Westminster car attack 2 injured
    2018 31 December Mahdi Mohamud stabbings 3 injured
    2019 29 November London Bridge stabbing 2 killed 3 injured
    2020 20 June Reading stabbings 3 killed 3 injured
    2021 15 October murder of David Amess MP
    2021 14 November Liverpool Woman’s hospital bombing one injured
    2023 15 October Hartlepool stabbing of 70 year old
    2024 25 July British Army officer Mark Teeton stabbed
    1970 to present at least 2,000 victims of rape gangs (girls 11 to 16)
    …Daily Telegraph

    Reply by Doris Martin.

    DM

    Doris Martin
    2 min ago
    And your point is, put simply?

    Reply by Hugh Tredegar.

    HT

    Hugh Tredegar
    1 min ago
    There are problems caused by ConLabour policy since Blair

    Reply by Ivor Stuart.

    IS

    Ivor Stuart
    1 min ago
    If you don't know, is it worth telling you?

    2
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    Comment by Charlie Scott Douglas.

    CS

    Charlie Scott Douglas
    4 min ago
    Incredible to think that the clown Starmer has managed to make himself more unpopular than any recent Tory PM in just a month.

    Reply by Hugh Tredegar.

    HT

    Hugh Tredegar
    3 min ago
    Yep.

    Comment by Fufu Rabbit.

    FR

    Fufu Rabbit
    4 min ago
    I struggle to understand why he knelt down voluntarily after BLM riots but didn’t even think of taking the knee for the three innocent young lives before the riots started. Surely George Floyd’s life matter more and suit his agenda more than the children’s edited

    Reply by Barney Patterson.

    BP

    Barney Patterson
    3 min ago
    Reply to edited post
    The staged laying of wreaths photo op was cringe worthy. No gravitas whatsoever. Fraud.

    1. ah.. but what about mentioning the faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar right attacks?
      Stephen Lawrence and.. er, hang on a minute.. Muhammed Fahir kicked in the head.

      1. Did the chap who killed Jo Cox belong to a far right organisation?

        No he was a weird and peculiar man with head trouble – a loony with mental health problems.

        2. I don't think the Jo Cox murder was all that it seems nor all that we have been deliberately led to believe.

    1. There will be tax hikes in October – energy will go up at least 8p and the taxes people don't understand will also increase, along with allowances reduced. I wouldn't be surprised if Labour scrap all inheritance tax allowances. The Left have always hated the idea of saving because they demand it go to those who haven't bothered.

      No doubt alongside this welfare will also increase – again, protecting Labour's demographic so there's more cash for loafers, wasters and dross. Fuel will also go up which will be passed on to everyone – again, except the loafers and wasters because thy get the costs paid for from taxation. It's an ever tightening spiral downward.

      They'll do this for 5 years and the economy will simply collapse as debt and tax tears everything apart.

      1. My money is pensions. Scrapping the tax free lump sum and the amount of tax relief you can claim for paying in to the pension. The latter of course not affecting the public sector (and possibly the former depending)

  56. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/08/08/keir-starmer-elon-musk-two-tier-far-right-riots/

    Sir Keir Starmer is quite right to condemn the violence against police officers during the appalling riots that have played out on our streets over the past week. “Our police deserve our support,” the Prime Minister has said. “Whatever the apparent cause or motivation, we make no distinction. Crime is crime.”

    I totally agree. There is, however, one thing that puzzles me.

    On June 6, 2020, 14 police officers were injured in London after a Black Lives Matter protest turned violent. One female officer suffered a broken collar bone, broken ribs and a collapsed lung after a protester threw a bicycle at her horse, causing it to bolt. The next day, at another Black Lives Matter protest in London, a further eight officers were injured. One was pictured with blood pouring down his face.

    Then, two days after that, Sir Keir Starmer chose to publish a photo of himself, solemnly taking the knee.

    Given all the injuries to police in the preceding days, did it not occur to Sir Keir that this gesture might look just a touch crass? If he believes there’s no excuse for violence, “whatever the apparent cause or motivation”, shouldn’t he have avoided this photo op? Or are violent protests after the killing of a man in the US somehow more excusable than after the killing of three girls in Britain?

    Personally, I think not. But, if anyone is wondering why Elon Musk has started referring to the PM as “Two-Tier Keir”, I suspect that this may have something to do with it. The PM’s new nickname – which has also been used by Reform UK, among others – reflects growing fears of double standards. And not just from the PM, but from police chiefs.

    Sir Keir has dismissed claims that we now have a system of “two-tier policing”. So has the head of the Met, Sir Mark Rowley – who, when asked by a reporter whether we’re “going to end two-tier policing”, simply shoved the microphone aside and strode off.

    If people do believe the system is “two-tier”, they can hardly be blamed. Look at the Met’s soft-touch handling of the pro-Palestine marches. When marchers chanted for “jihad”, the Met actually excused them, by insisting that the word has “a number of meanings”. Yet, when a lone counter-protester waved a sign that read “Hamas is terrorist” (a statement that reflects UK law), he was arrested (police de-arrested and released him shortly after, claiming he had been held for his own safety).

    If that wasn’t “two-tier”, what was it?

    Equally troubling were comments this week by an officer from West Midlands Police. Sky News covered a counter-protest in Birmingham by masked men who had initially gathered outside a mosque and local Islamic Centre in the Bordesley Green area. Their reporter asked the officer why there had been such a “low-key police presence” when “an awful lot of people [were] armed with various weapons” (including a man wearing a balaclava and clutching a knife, who followed the Sky News crew after they’d finished broadcasting)

    The officer’s reply? Apparently, the police had had “conversations” beforehand with “community leaders” in order to “understand the style of policing we needed to deliver”, and “our policing response” had been “commensurate” with that. The officer added that the “communities” were “trying to make sure that [the counter-protest] was policed within themselves as well”.

    Sorry, what? Do all “communities” have “community leaders”, who are invited to set out the “style of policing” they wish to receive? Who is my “community leader”? And are all “communities” entitled to “police within themselves”?

    Language like that is bound to undermine faith in the way this unrest is being handled. And if Sir Keir fails to convince the public that it isn’t “two-tier”, we’ll be in even graver trouble than we are now.

    1. The whole position of the Left & Labour is "logically contradictory". Wherever you look it's "The Denial of Reality".
      Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland seems to be the key text of New Labour.. the Red Queen requires you to believe five impossible things before breakfast.
      It's Humpty Dumpty; Words exactly mean what I want them to mean, neither more nor less.

      It's a matter of power.

      That man David S, again.

      1. Repeat five times a day at prayer..
        1/ The police stand in the middle without bias, they operate independently under the law without fear or favour.
        2/ Fossil free electricity.
        3/ In certain circumstances a man can acquire a cervix.
        4/ Mohammads.. our wonderful partners in the community.
        5/ Diversity is so strong.. it doesn't require 24/7 propaganda nor enforcement by Law.

          1. Love the Lefties clapping in the background.. then of course, the chorus of the big issue 5,000 miles away.. that most of them could nae place on a map.

            **PS.. X video clip of "British" man encouraging "emergency surgical treatment" on white people immediately deleted.

          2. Always 'communities', notice how we're no longer the public, or citizens? Now we're 'communidees' just to ensure that one group are definitely favoured over another.

      2. Repeat five times a day at prayer..
        1/ The police stand in the middle without bias, they operate independently under the law without fear or favour.
        2/ Fossil free electricity.
        3/ In certain circumstances a man can acquire a cervix.
        4/ Mohammads.. our wonderful partners in the community.
        5/ Diversity is so strong.. it doesn't require 24/7 propaganda nor enforcement by Law.

    2. The whole position of the Left & Labour is "logically contradictory". Wherever you look it's "The Denial of Reality".
      Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland seems to be the key text of New Labour.. the Red Queen requires you to believe five impossible things before breakfast.
      It's Humpty Dumpty; Words exactly mean what I want them to mean, neither more nor less.

      It's a matter of power.

      That man David S, again.

    3. The whole position of the Left & Labour is "logically contradictory". Wherever you look it's "The Denial of Reality".
      Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland seems to be the key text of New Labour.. the Red Queen requires you to believe five impossible things before breakfast.
      It's Humpty Dumpty; Words exactly mean what I want them to mean, neither more nor less.

      It's a matter of power.

      That man David S, again.

    4. The whole position of the Left & Labour is "logically contradictory". Wherever you look it's "The Denial of Reality".
      Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland seems to be the key text of New Labour.. the Red Queen requires you to believe five impossible things before breakfast.
      It's Humpty Dumpty; Words exactly mean what I want them to mean, neither more nor less.

      It's a matter of power.

      That man David S, again.

    5. It's our police now, is it? Right, then they can sod right off. Same as when it's supposedly 'Our NHS' but I can't get an appointment because the waiting room is full of foreigners.

      It's not ours at all. It's a state force, nothing else.

  57. 'Morning All
    I suspect a fair analysis……….
    "The 100 far-right thing was bullshit of a very high grade. I checked on X several times as to venues, there was not one mention anywhere.

    If it was a psyop from genuine protesters I don't think they are that organised.

    I think Keir Stalin's Cobra meeting yesterday came up with this so they could say they have crushed the rebellion. Their bonus point was antifa scum with preprinted placards, refugees welcome, just in time for the morning papers from the lying media scum.

    And so it came to pass."
    The contrast between the glossy placards of antifa and Hope not Soap and genuine from the heart protest is stark
    https://x.com/LozzaFox/status/1820094898252755211

          1. The PTB and the MSM know they've been rumbled but they don't give a toss about having been rumbled.

        3. And they constantly complain about Russian disinformation. The fact checkers, nudge unit were not necessary when we didn't know the truth.

  58. How Tommy Robinson became mainstream
    The far-Right activist has typically had a toxic reputation, but figures like Elon Musk are giving him access to a new audience
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/07/how-tommy-robinson-became-mainstream/

    BTL

    What the MSM refuses to address is that neither Nigel Farage nor Tommy Robinson have ever encouraged violence. Indeed, Robinson has gone to great lengths to tell people on his rallies to behave themselves and not get involved in violent clashes.

    It is true that there have been some nasty incidents at Robinson's rallies but there is a considerable amount of evidence that these were deliberately provoked by Left wing agitators in order to discredit Tommy.

    But of course neither the MSM nor the political establishment would ever be prepared to consider this.

    All the most upvoted BTL comments support Tommy Robinson. I wonder why this is?

    2. The press are giving them the platform by blaming Robinson and Farage. The more they deflect, deceive and hide the more obvious people look at what is said – not the media interpretation.

      As Murdoch recently said (paraphrased) – no one reads the papers any more. They get the truth from their telephones.

    1. oh for goodness' sake.. The PM has zero obligation to do anything. He is the Law.
      the UK is now under a one party state control.. people are either outlawed or only enjoy limited and controlled participation.
      get used to it. it's going to get x1000 worse.

      1. I beg to differ. He is NOT the law. He is as subject to the law as the rest of us, as is the King.

      3. The law may apply, but Starmer, because he's a bureaucrat will happily change it to suit him. He won't address the issue because he doesn't care about it.

        He has no concept of right or wrong. He's a lawyer.

      4. The law may apply, but Starmer, because he's a bureaucrat will happily change it to suit him. He won't address the issue because he doesn't care about it.

        He has no concept of right or wrong. He's a lawyer.

      6. I do realise that there is no-one, absolutely no-one, to hold him to account. Except the people.

    2. All very fine in theory but the "Supreme" (kangaroo) Court created by Bliar for the purpose thereof only has to declare that black is white and it's all over. Sure what they do is unlawful but that in itself will not remove their power.

      1. Under Common Law, it only takes one juror to declare the 'law' is not fit for purpose, for it to be struck out.

    3. Although i took a look at ir, it PM the link seems to have disappeared now.
      Perhaps King Charles might get wind of what is going on from starmers point of view and send the army into Waste-monster and arrest a few dozen of them………perhaps not eh !

      1. My view is KClll is as one with them – he has kept a very low profile throughout all of this.

    4. Love it!

      ”As a UK lawyer addressing the Prime Minister's inaction towards armed gangs running the streets, it's important to evaluate the legal framework and the Prime Minister's obligations under the law 🇬🇧

      UK Legal Obligations and Potential Offences of the Prime Minister 🇬🇧

      1. Dereliction of Duty.
      The Prime Minister, as the head of the government, has a duty to uphold the law and ensure the safety of the public. Ignoring armed gangs and dismissing public concerns could be seen as a failure to fulfil this duty, potentially amounting to dereliction of duty.

      2. Misconduct in Public Office.
      The common law offence of misconduct in public office applies when a public official willfully neglects to perform their duties or acts in a way that amounts to an abuse of the public's trust. Ignoring violent gangs and accusing the public of racism for their concerns could be interpreted as such misconduct.

      3. Negligence.
      Under civil law, negligence occurs when someone fails to take reasonable care to avoid causing injury or loss to another person. The Prime Minister's inaction could be seen as a form of negligence if it can be shown that it has led to harm or risk to the public.

      4. Breach of the Human Rights Act 1998.
      The European Convention on Human Rights, incorporated into UK law by the Human Rights Act 1998, protects individuals' rights to life (Article 2) and security (Article 5). The state's failure to address violent gangs could be seen as a breach of these rights, especially if the violence results in harm to individuals.

      5. Incitement to Racial Hatred.
      While the Prime Minister is accusing the public of racism and far right extremism, it's crucial to ensure that his statements do not incite racial hatred, which is an offence under the Public Order Act 1986. However, this is more about ensuring balanced rhetoric rather than an offence the Prime Minister himself might be committing.

      Potential Offences Committed by the Armed Muslim gangs.

      1. Possession of Firearms and Offensive Weapons.
      Under the Firearms Act 1968 and the Prevention of Crime Act 1953, carrying firearms and other weapons in public without a license is a serious offence.

      2. Public Order Offences.
      Their actions likely violate the Public Order Act 1986, prohibiting behaviour that causes harassment, alarm, or distress.

      3. Terrorism Offences
      Chanting extremist slogans while armed could fall under the Terrorism Act 2000, which includes the glorification of terrorism and inciting violence.

      4. Incitement to Violence. Encouraging violent acts is a criminal offence under the Serious Crime Act 2007.

      5. Affray.
      Engaging in behaviour causing others to fear for their safety violates the Public Order Act 1986.

      6. Trespassing and Damage to Property
      Likely offences under the Criminal Damage Act 1971 if they are trespassing and causing property damage.

      7. Conspiracy to Commit Offences. Organizing and participating in coordinated attacks is a conspiracy to commit multiple offences, punishable under the Criminal Law Act 1977.

      Conclusion

      The Prime Minister's inaction in the face of such blatant lawlessness is deeply troubling. It could be construed as misconduct in public office or even negligence, given the duty to protect the public and uphold the law. Moreover, the public's concerns are legitimate and should be addressed with due seriousness, not dismissed as racist or far right extremism.
      This is a critical issue requiring immediate and effective action to maintain public order and trust in the government.”

    5. He loves to spout about being a prosecutor. He'll prosecute any one for anything!

    1. Because this country is broken. The state protects the violent Lefty mob and praises the savage muslim and plod do nothing.

  62. Warsi and Naz Shah on the same side. What a surprise. They must take us for fools if they think that a Muslim shouting 'Allahu Akhbar' in the face of a non-Muslim is quietly declaring 'God is good'. It really means '**** off, kuffar!'

    However, I suspect Jenrick has fallen at the first hurdle in the Tory party leadership race.

    Protesters shouting 'Allahu Akbar' should be arrested, says Robert Jenrick

    Tory leadership candidate accused of 'textbook Islamophobia' after saying prayer chant can be 'threatening'

    Cameron Henderson • 7 August 2024 • 4:36pm

    Robert Jenrick has said police should "immediately arrest" any protesters shouting "Allahu Akbar", prompting a row with Muslim parliamentarians.

    Speaking to Sky News on Wednesday morning, Mr Jenrick said it was "quite wrong" that pro-Palestinian protesters had been allowed to chant "Allahu Akbar", which means God is great, without being arrested.

    "I have been very critical of police in the past, particularly around the attitude of some police forces to the protests we saw since October 7," he said. "I thought it was quite wrong that somebody could shout 'Allahu Akbar' on the streets of London and not be immediately arrested, project genocidal chants onto Big Ben and not be immediately arrested. That attitude is wrong, and I'll always call out the police for it."

    His comments came amid allegations of two-tier policing, with critics claiming the police treat Left-wing protesters with more leniency than Right-wing ones.

    The Tory leadership candidate's remarks were criticised by prominent Muslim parliamentarians including Sayeeda Warsi, the Conservative peer, and the Labour MP Naz Shah, who accused Mr Jenrick of "textbook Islamophobia".

    Baroness Warsi wrote on X, formerly Twitter: "Every day before we start parliamentary business in the Commons and Lords we say a prayer and praise God – we say our parliamentary version of Allahu Akbars at the heart of democracy – a process Robert Jenrick is a part of.

    "This language from Jenrick is more of his usual nasty, divisive rhetoric – he is such a tool."

    Mr Shah, the MP for Bradford West, said: "This is complete ignorance and textbook Islamophobia from Robert Jenrick. It literally equates every Muslim in the world with extremism … It's a basic Islamic saying that every Muslim in the world says in prayer. Imagine, in this climate, either being that ignorant or deliberately trying to stigmatise all Muslims. He should apologise and speak to Muslim communities and learn more about our faith."

    Mr Jenrick then took to X to clarify his position, writing:
    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1821162874519142658
    Addressing claims of two-tier policing, Mr Jenrick told The Daily T podcast that communities must not be left to "police themselves".

    He said: "[Police] must be robustly enforcing the law without fear or favour. I don't want them to be squeamish or selective in the way in which they do that. I don't think that policing should be dictated by community leaders. We shouldn't be leaving communities to police themselves. The police should be on our streets right now in the affected communities, keeping the public safe."

    His comments came in response to an interview in which Superintendent Emlyn Richards, of West Midlands Police, told Sky News the force had responded to the requests of members of the community to be allowed to police protests "within themselves".

    Mr Jenrick also accused Sir Keir Starmer of being "scared" to clamp down on retaliatory protests, saying: "I also think that the retaliatory protests and riots by sectarian groups, smaller in number, are equally disgraceful. And it concerns me that some of our political leaders, the Prime Minister in particular, appeared to be scared of saying so. I think sometimes the police are more concerned about community relations than they are about robust and fair enforcement of the law."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/07/robert-jenrick-protesters-allahu-akbar-should-be-arrested/

    1. That's nice, then they should shut up and go do so in some foreign country, not mine. I don't want to hear a word of middle eastern gutter spoken in the UK.

    3. I just can’t remember him speaking up like this before he decided to run for the leadership position.

      If I was a cynical old bar steward I would think it was an electioneering ploy designed to enhance his chances of winning.

      Of course, like all Conservatives who ran the country into the ground and done nothing to shut the floodgates of enhanced enrichment, I believe every word he utters, me not being a cynical old bar steward.

    2. One suspected, now he's admitted stirring it, nobody will believe him any more.
      What a jerk.
      The "anti-racists lie" message will be transmitted…

      1. The Left's goal is antagonism and disruption. By forcing chaos they get their own way. The media are desperate to push the state narrative as that's where they get the exclusives and minister access from.

        They also know if they don't, OFCOM will come for them. It's a disgusting collusion of deceit forced on the public – almost a social and cultural rape.

        1. It is like Trudeaus divide and rule approach to government. Young against old, rich against poor, normal against lgbq, jew against Islam and so on. As long as people are kept apart, It doesn't matter how much society is broken by the divisive rule.

          2. Very much the same as here, sliced and diced. I will be glad when my time is up.

    3. One suspected, now he's admitted stirring it, nobody will believe him any more.
      What a jerk.
      The "anti-racists lie" message will be transmitted…

    4. Anti racist? No. What's happening is people are getting angrier. This oaf is proving the two tier kier meme.

      The racists, the bigots, the intolerant, bitter, spiteful Left are the hate no hope. A group the state must immediately stop funding.

    1. Most sensible people surely have been saying this since the recent outburst began.

  66. With all the noise about the scale of migration, it should be pointed out the the majority of those who arrived in the last 20 years came from the EU. Muslims were, of course, already well established in the country in 2004. North African, Middle-eastern, Pakistani and Bangladeshi immigration hasn't increased much in the last five years. These Migration Watch figures are useful but incomplete as they don't all go back to 2004. And does South-East Asian include Muslims from Indonesia?
    https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/migration-statistics-over-time

    About 6 million EU migrants applied for settled status but, apparently, only 3.6 million are currently here.

    1. Not forgetting that large numbers of EU Muslim citizens moved to the UK because benefits were being cut back in countries within the EU and restrictions on Muslim's preferred dress codes were also being introduced.

      1. If so, still a small proportion of Muslims in the country.

        I'm sure someone in the media will pick up on this i.e. that the establishment of Islam in the UK pre-dates the Blairite flood. A BBC interviewer will ask a protestor what he thinks is the 'killer' question: "Muslims were already here and have been for years. If you're unhappy about recent migration, why aren't you attacking Poles and Catholic churches?"

        In last night's Moral Maze, a similar point was made (I think it was Moany Siddiqi, not Sarkar): "The Southport suspect was born here and his parents are Christian, so why are mosques being attacked?"

          1. Perhaps, but we're arguing on two different fronts (again!). I am trying to make the point that the clever-dicks in the media studios will make the point that UK Islam pre-dates Blair. They will use all kinds of similar tactics to deflect criticism of it. Anti-immigration interviewees must be prepared for this.

          2. Indeed and it may pre-date Blair, but there is no doubt whatsoever that it is the fastest growing demographic and people forget/ignore that Muslims come in all shades.
            I would put a reasonable sum on a bet that stated the majority of those young black men and women pouring across the channel are Muslims.

        2. I bet Moany (who he/she?) thinks he’s he was being very clever asking that question.

        3. There may only be a small number of Muslims in this country but their influence is out of all proportion as regards policing/n ot policing.

          1. I didn't say there is a small number of Muslims. I said that those who came here from EU countries form a small proportion of Muslims in the country.

            You are quite correct about their influence.

        4. They may be a relatively small percentage of previous immigration, but their propensity to breed makes their numbers a future problem.

          1. Indeed, but the point I was making was about how sections of the media will play clever-dick games with the unwary over the current situation: "They've been here for decades, therefore they're not immigrants, therefore [insert a BBC insult of your choice]".

          2. Indeed, but the point I was making was about how sections of the media will play clever-dick games with the unwary over the current situation: "They've been here for decades, therefore they're not immigrants, therefore [insert a BBC insult of your choice]".

  67. After all of this sailing and suppression of protests, what do you think that their plan will be when the next outrage takes place.

    1. The Kierstazi will arrest and deal with anyone who spreads news of the outrage under the banner of spreading dissent. Poor old TR will not even get time to change his underwear on return from his hols. A large contingent of plod will be waiting in the meeters gallery and there will follow a show trial on par with those in the old Soviet Union. Given the islamic population of prisons, I am not sure he will survive the experience as the state will ensure he is made an example to the rest of us and throw him to the lions.

        1. Coffee beans pooped by sheep? I doubt it will be £1.50 for as much as you can drink..

  69. On it goes: CV-19 + variations on a theme, Monkey Pox, Avian Flu and next up for our delectation, Mpox. Based in Africa this "virus" is causing alarm – haven't they all? – as it spreads rapidly.

    Expect the triumphant cheer that a "vaccine" is on its way. All will be saved.

    More bollocks from the same cast using the same script. Original it ain't.

    Apologies for the appearance of Tedros the marionette.

    https://x.com/JimFergusonUK/status/1821416836585374139

    1. Somehow I don't think Max will authorise a ban on African immigration or the quarantining of any who arrive illegally.

    3. Tedros and Sit Kneelalot will be roundly ignored by me this time. Too many lies last time I'm afraid. I've got my own health to think about to be mixed up in their games.

    4. Mpox is monkey pox, just given a different name so as not to upset a certain demographic – kicked off in the Congo originally if I recall correctly.

        2. sexually acquired…. not particularly lethal….. quick to the jabbatoir folks, you never know….

  72. All these" refugees welcome" protesters should be identified and be subjected to a special tax to help pay for all the gimmegrants pouring in.

    We could call it Jizya

      1. Absolutely. With full legal and financial responsibility.

        Billeted isn't a word I've heard for a long time. In WWII, in between signing up and being sent to West Africa, my father was billeted on a family in West London. I came to know the mother of that family as Aunt Sue. They became lifelong friends and I was named after her.

    3. Better still, they should be forced to house the immigrants and pay all their bills. They should also be made responsible for all the crimes their beloved immigrants commit.

  74. I see 2TK has visited a mosque in Birmingham….I’d like to ask why but I can’t be bothered. The moron hasn’t got a brain and has cloth ears. So it’s two-tier tin-eared Kier!

    2. Well, of course he did. They are under threat, you know! It's not like they go around saying "kill the kuffar" or "behead those who aren't muslim", is it?

  75. I was daft enough to eat a gluten-free sandwich at lunch (it was surplus…) and it was like eating a bath sponge in consistency but without the soapy flavour. Pretty damn miserable, really. I can recommend all y'all don't eat the stuff!

    1. Ah..the bulldog chewing a wasp look…sorry to read Oberstleutnant, at least you won't fall for it again 🙂 Especially if your digestive system a little…upset….

        1. I do feel sorry for you, having been ill in the past post Chinese meal. Try antacid tab? Hope you’re over it by tomorrow 🙂

    2. Gluten free products have improved though bread and pastry can still be horrible. I tried to use gluten free puff pastry to make vol au vents for some of my guests. Two attempts. It wouldn't rise.

    3. Amazing! I was at a national trust place with the grandchildren today and had a sandwich made with gluten free bread it was truly disgusting!
      I wouldn’t have gone anywhere near the place but they wanted to see Sutton hoo.
      What a disappointment! Very few exhibits and most of it devoted to an unknown woman who may or may not have been the warriors queen. Then some mumbo jumbo about the social standing of wise women in Anglo Saxon times.
      The rest was structured to amuse hyperactive ten year olds, with interactive story time and junior walks through the woods.
      We went hoping to see some archaeological remains and speak to people who knew about this period in history as my grandson in particular is keen.
      His verdict was it’s just a theme park for little kids!

        1. Air museums (Duxford, Dunsfold, for example) are usually pretty good.
          Not up to much if you aren't after aeroplanes, of course.
          Firstborn's farm has some museum pieces on it – like his old store shed (Stabbur – it stands on palings to keep it mouse-free):

    4. Amazing! I was at a national trust place with the grandchildren today and had a sandwich made with gluten free bread it was truly disgusting!
      I wouldn’t have gone anywhere near the place but they wanted to see Sutton hoo.
      What a disappointment! Very few exhibits and most of it devoted to an unknown woman who may or may not have been the warriors queen. Then some mumbo jumbo about the social standing of wise women in Anglo Saxon times.
      The rest was structured to amuse hyperactive ten year olds, with interactive story time and junior walks through the woods.
      We went hoping to see some archaeological remains and speak to people who knew about this period in history as my grandson in particular is keen.
      His verdict was it’s just a theme park for little kids!

    5. I don't have that option, sadly, and that's why I make my own gluten-free sourdough bread. Takes a bit of an effort, but at least I get bread that I actually enjoy eating, seeing as the real stuff is out of bounds for me. Excellent flavour and consistency gets about 8 out of 10 which is pretty amazing for GF bread, quite frankly.

      1. Do you have to make your bread to get something palatable?
        I've seen gluten-free, but never tried it as I don't need to do so.
        p.s. I have a cousin who is – to put it mildly – apt to develop whatever ailment she thinks is the latest trend and will get attention.
        She now claims she has late onset coeliac. Does it actually exist?

        2. Coeliac disease is normally present at birth and manifests itself when the baby starts eating rusks etc.

          However, many women are diagnosed with coeliac disease a few years after childbirth, as I was. Nobody’s quite sure what the mechanism is, but it would appear that the upheaval the immune system goes through with childbearing might activate coeliac disease in women with the gene. I know of one case of coeliac disease which was sparked off by the sudden death of a parent. Current research seems to be saying that anything that puts the immune system under pressure (a car crash, a severe illness, an operation…) has the potential of activating coeliac disease. If that is what your cousin calls “late onset coeliac”, then yes, it does exist.

          There is no such thing as self-diagnosis for coeliac disease, however. The gold standard for coeliac disease diagnosis is a biopsy, although there is also a good blood test that gives reasonably reliable results. The difficulty with both these tests is that they measure the reaction to gluten (in the blood test) or the damage to the duodenum (in the biopsy). Anyone with coeliac disease who has been on a gluten-free diet for six months or so will therefore test negative for both. So the medical message is to get tested before you go on a gluten-free diet, otherwise diagnosis is impossible without first eating gluten again for six months. I had a biopsy for a check-up last year and my duodenum is totally healthy with villi that are 2mm long. My first biopsy showed no villi at all, the antigliadin which my erroneous immune system produces as a reaction to gluten had destroyed them all.

          And yes, I make my own bread so that I actually enjoy eating it! The bought stuff is invariably ghastly, here in France, although there are better products available in the UK if you’re prepared to pay for them.

      1. Nice!
        I like rye bread, all heavy, coarse and tasty.
        Sourdough is also top! Our local Turkish shop does a really good sourdough. Lovely, just dipped in good olive oil, or crushed chillies / harissa. Food of the Gods, so it is.

    1. Thank you for posting. It is clear to me that the only thugs out there are from the left and they are using the classic Cluster B “Darvo” technique: deny, attack, reverse victim and offender.

  77. I've tried gluten-free bread. Like munching sawdust. Dipping a communion wafer in the chalice used to be considered cleaner than putting your mouth to the cup but now it's verboten because the wafer might contaminate the wine for someone who is gluten intolerant. Trying to remember how many people I saw going into anaphylactic shock in the days when dipping was common. Oh right, it never happened.

    2. I don't understand that. My GF wafer sits on the paten together with the priest's wafer and sometimes underneath it. I dip it into wine that everybody else dips into as well. I've never in over 22 years of diagnosed coeliac disease had any problem because of this.

      For gluten intolerant people the issues are different from mine, but anaphylactic shock isn't on the list of consequences in any case as it isn't an allergy.

      In my limited experience, the number of medically proven coeliacs and gluten intolerants is significantly lower than the self-professed ones. There is a lot of hysteria surrounding gluten, the avoidance of which has become a bit of a commercial bandwagon. Best ignored as far as possible! The trouble is that these self-professed nutcases are likely to mess things up for people who have real medical conditions – whenever I go out to a restaurant or am invited somewhere for the first time I have to stress that I am not another fusspot when I say I have to eat gluten-free.

    3. I don't like intinction anyway. We have a choir member who has a gluten free wafer. It's kept separate in its own gilt case until use.

  78. And apparently there's a video on line of a Labour councillor suggesting that his opponents should have their throats cut.

  79. 391231+ up ticks,

    May one ask,

    Are the SO far Right, in regards to individual freedom & freedom of speech on a war footing with the political overseeing domineering carte, if so sides must be more easily defined no one should suffer from friendly protesting.

    The NHS doctors when the country is in civil conflict
    should have no rights of protest about workload, their workload is linked to the Dover invasion campaign orchestrated by the
    WEF / NWO political agents, contact address, Palace of westminster.

    Health and safety advice,

    Heavily tanned person carrying cudgels with protruding nails, swords etc,etc ID as governing troops and to be avoided.

    https://x.com/BryceWadeBEO/status/1821445868979102160

  80. So who is to blame for threatening Tayor Swift concerts?
    Is it the far right?
    Is it because she donated money for the murdered children?

    1. ISIS have threatened the concerts. They don't feel they have killed enough young girls yet. Dead girls don't breed.

  82. Pedantic point – Dartford is in Kent, not London, so any investigation would have to be made by Kent Police, not the Metropolitan Police.

  83. What the latest NHS performance figures for England show:
    A total of 302,693 people had been waiting more than 52 weeks to start routine hospital treatment at the end of June.
    NHS data showing almost 6.4million patients are stuck on waiting lists in for elective care in England alone.

    I wonder why that is?

    Oh! Massive 800% surge in foreigners having private healthcare in the UK.

    I wonder where all those poverty stricken sick and crippled people get the money to pay for their treatment from. It's a complete mystery.

    1. Should come as no surprise that she’s an educated thick-head ‘working’ in health management. Just check her LinkedIn!

    1. And everyone else there clapping needs to be arrested too for supporting this far-left extremist, inciting violence

      2. Absolutely. In their “refugees welcome” tabards. The be kind gang clapping and cheering for the call to slit throats.

    2. Considering that the Left are the fascists he really should be careful. Everyone behind him would be gunning for him.

  86. They never give up: BBC Radio 4 programme claiming the British Navy illegally sank the General Belgrano and murdered 323 innocent Argentinian sailors who were leaving the Malvinas area and going back to the safety of Argentina. Almost certainly on the direct orders of the warmongering Thatcher who wanted to increase her popularity with the far right and anti-EU fanatics from the cess pits in the Midlands and North of England.

    Defund the BBC scum and strip them of their ill-gotten gains.

      1. Yes, of course, and supported by the EU and supplied with French missiles and ammunition. Frau Thatcher was a war criminal – everybody knows that.

      2. Don't forget that the French supplied the Argies with aircraft and weapons.
        I think they soon shoved their historic rescue from the Nazis under their always convenient carpet.

        1. But didn’t we supply the Argentinians with destroyers? The French actually helped us a lot in the Falklands war.

          1. The French sold Exocet missiles to the Argies and then taught us how to jam their electronics and shoot them down. The Belgrano was originally USS Phoenix.

  88. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f575k1p-vUk
    Will…

    1. The councillor be arrested and jailed for incitement to religious riot, murder and public disorder
    2. This shown on the BBC
    3. Starmer forced to acknowledge that he and all those there should be arrested as fascists

    OR

    Will the clip be destroyed, forbidden and GB News attacked by OFcom
    The councillor protected by plod
    Charges be brought against those who reported it

    1. From Coffee House, the Spectator

      Southport hero calls on Starmer to address immigration fears
      8 August 2024, 12:55pm

      (Photo by Joe Giddens – WPA Pool/Getty Images)

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      And now to a rather interesting development after the events of the past week. Following the tragic Southport stabbings last Monday, the BBC has interviewed the man who attempted to stop the attacker in his tracks – and was knifed in the leg as a result. Jonathan Hayes told interviewers about his harrowing experience of first coming across the stabber and then trying to get the weapon off him. ‘When I opened the door, he stood there. He had the hoodie on. Most of his face was concealed,’ he told the Beeb. ‘We locked eyes on each other, and he looked pretty menacing.’ Hayes confessed to his interviewers he was ‘grateful’ to be alive after the incident – before offering up some advice on the riots to the Prime Minister.
      Admitting to the BBC he was ‘dismayed’ to hear Sir Keir Starmer’s tough talk about using the ‘full force of the law’, Hayes insisted the PM needed to better understand immigration concerns. He cautioned the Prime Minister:
      ‘I actually don’t think that the trouble on the Right has got anything at all to do with the Southport stabbings. There appears to be a strong undercurrent of discontent for some time about the levels of immigration. And this is just a catalyst or a trigger, but I don’t think it’s the root cause. I do get dismayed when I hear Keir Starmer talking about [how] the police are going to come down with the full force of the law on these people. But they are not actually talking about the root cause, and they need to start listening and understanding that. They need to address the cause rather than the symptoms.’
      Wise words indeed. Although the disorder on Wednesday evening was not as full-blown as had been expected – with anti-fascism counter-protestors mainly turning out to the streets instead – there is no guarantee that the rioting has come to an end. Over half of Brits think Starmer has handled the riots badly, while 70 per cent are adamant that the PM should not take a holiday next week due to the unrest. And with YouGov revealing that immigration is, in fact, the most important issue amongst the public for the first time since 2016, perhaps it would do Sir Keir some good to listen…

      2. Oh, I think 2 Tier Kier SHOULD take his holiday next week – and extend it indefinitely.

    2. quickly removed from Twitter..

      The answer to your question wibbling..

      improper use of the electronic communications network under Section 127 of the Communications Act.. airing a video clip that is grossly offensive and menacing character over a public electronic communications network is a criminal offence..
      Patrick Christie will be charged and GB News shutdown.

      1. crowds gather outside GB News studio chanting..

        Kill the fascist.. Kill the fascist.. Kill the fascist.. Kill the fascist.. Kill the fascist.. slit his throat..Free Palestine..

          1. BBC crew overhead given advanced warning.. witch hunt LIVE!
            New Statesman's George Eaton Tweets.. "Gotcha, another bastard down.."

            sad thing is.. it will happen.

          2. But is he referring to the muslim sewage wanting to kill people or is he talking about GB News reporting it?

          4. Nor can the Left bureaucracy, the Left press; the Left news media (radio and television); the Left WEF; the Left UN; the Left global corporations …

    3. Once this has started as it obviously has it is never going to stop. Laws are being broken and the government is selective on which are upheld and those laws that don't suit their adgenda. The army needs to take over and parliament closed. It can not be allowed to carry on like this.

    4. Looking forward to seeing him imprisoned within the week in accordance with the kneeler’s instructions to come down hard and fast “with the full force of the law” for the crime of hate speech.

      1. Just remove him. Have plod rock up at his door, drag him out in cuffs and send him and his family over there.

    6. I doubt he'll be looked at. The country is policed equally. There will be no need. The Powers That Be have declared it so and so it is true. Do keep up, wibbly.

        1. Yes, I think a quiet word in the ear of the good councillor will suffice. For the sake of kermoooonity relayshuns, don't you know. Policing must be carried out sensitively, for the sake of good public order across all the population equally.

          Anyone who disagrees with that approach can only be a far right bigot, spreading sedition. I'd never, ever criticise the police or the government over this. Let me make that point absolutely crystal clear.

      2. I had forgotten – ignorance is strength, freedom is slavery.

        Deport him to foreign and never let him or his family back.

        1. That's right. Get on message. Harmony, peace all round. The end of conflict will only come about when everyone learns to agree with each other. Since The Party alone understands what is correct then all people need to understand is that to take The Party's view is to agree.

          Haven't you had you joining papers yet?

        2. That's right. Get on message. Harmony, peace all round. The end of conflict will only come about when everyone learns to agree with each other. Since The Party alone understands what is correct then all people need to understand is that to take The Party's view is to agree.

          Haven't you had you joining papers yet?

    7. I just checked that story for myself wibbly. Now I'm very disappointed with you. You didn't mention that he signed off by saying "free Palestine". Basically you've tried to malign a freedom fighter against genocide by the Jews there. Talk about selective reporting.

    8. "Met Police investigate video of Labour councillor at Walthamstow protest
      published at 14:40
      14:40

      Michael Keohan
      BBC Kent political reporter

      As we reported earlier, Labour has suspended Dartford councillor Ricky Jones after a video emerged of him addressing the crowd at a protest in Walthamstow, north London yesterday.

      The Metropolitan Police says officers “are investigating as a matter of urgency”.

      Jones has represented the Princes ward of Dartford since 2019."

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy8497l7dx8t

    9. And who is the cow in the orange hi-viz pissing her knickers in excitement at his words?

      1. Also, I see Amnesty International is being placed in a good light I see. That should help their fundraising!

        2. I played this piece later tonight when I could listen through wireless hi-fi headphones. The recording was excellent in rendering the dynamic range and voices of the instrument and must have been a powerful feeling when you played on it – did you manage to get all the stops out?

  90. I'm getting tired of Lefties ranting about Palestine or Gaza. Anyone ranting about it should be sent there and prevented return.

  93. Come December, what are the odds on the OED, Chambers and Collins declaring that the 2024 'word (phrase) of the year' will be, "Two-tier Kier"?

    3. “Two-tier Keir” is catching on globally just as “Tampon Tim” is in the US.

      Starmer is using rhetoric chosen to inflame an already dangerous instability and high tension in social relations.

      Starmer’s instincts are totalitarian and the meting out of conveyor belt convictions without proper legal representation and due process paint him as a dictator of the worst kind.

      1. Starmer’s instincts are totalitarian because he is fulfilling the diktats of his paymasters, the WEF/UN hegemony. Just like Sunak did for his short-lived sinecure in that office.

    2. Free speech union. Any company that isn't a multinational and has to do to get paid.

      It is only in charities and state pointlessness that waste is considered valuable rather than repellent.

  99. Does this description of the plotter sound vaguely familiar?
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13723653/Pictured-ISIS-teen-plotted-Taylor-Swift-concert-carnage-posing-knives-Austrian-neighbours-say-harmless-boy-door-radically-changed-look-radicalised.html

    A few years ago, Beran A.'s parents – who immigrated to Austria from North Macedonia – moved into a new-built house in the Neunkirchen district of Ternitz with him and his younger sister.

    Ternitz residents told local media that he used to be a 'harmless boy next door' in jeans and sneakers, who was born in Austria and attended a local school.

    2. I just love the picture of this baby terrorist that is in the DM.

      A nice pixelated blur that might be interpreted as he has a beard and dark hair. A nice waste of space.

    3. Mentally ill lone wolf, nothing to see here, move along or we'll hit you, arrest you and destroy your life.

  100. Seeing the new government at work is instructive. I always wondered what a Corbyn government would actually look like.

        2. If that was Abbot on the pillion, would there be room in the front seat – even for a scrawny Corbyn?

  103. Ye gods – kite sailing looks pretty impressive stuff – very hairy!! Hopefully that’s the gold medal for GB – beautiful race by Eleanor Aldridge!

    1. Two Tier Kier doesn't care. He's got what he wants. The farce will continue, the invasion will continue. Labour will give all the foreigners all the bennies they can.

    1. Odd that the Left were not dealt with in the same way.

      Of course the bit in the middle is missing, where plod went in mob handed and started beating up the folk angry at the murder of children specifically to silence them.

      The cartoon also doesn't show the fascist hate no hope throwing bricks, burning things and screaming abuse.

      1. Are we meant to assume that the depiction of 'one v. many' represents the nation, that the 'far-right' were scared to appear yesterday for fear of being outnumbered?

        Some of the photos in the media were carefully cropped so as to suggest the turn-out was greater than it was. I suspect that if there had been a face-off, 90% of the nice-but-foolish people would have run like hell.

        1. 100 demonstrations was a very exact number. Easy to remember.
          Not 97 or 103 which might have taxed people's memories.

          1. Well…they needed an exact number so they could match it with the order for Socialist Worker placards that they had placed two weeks ago.

        3. That was how I read it – the "far right" (i e right minded) was outnumbered by the "immigrants welcome" mob. My reaction was that if they think immigrants are welcome, they should house them in their own homes.

  106. A brazen Bogey Five!

    Wordle 1,146 5/6
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    🟩🟨⬜🟨⬜
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    🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

    1. Ah, the cheek of it. Par here.

      Wordle 1,146 4/6

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      ⬜🟩🟩⬜⬜
      ⬜🟩🟩⬜⬜
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    2. I suffered word blindness for a while.

      Wordle 1,146 6/6

      🟨⬜⬜🟨⬜
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      2. After the first two lines I had the same letters as you. But my guesses continued to the end… Big Fat Fail!

    3. Birdie here.
      Wordle 1,146 3/6

      🟨⬜⬜🟨⬜
      🟩🟨🟨⬜⬜
      🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

    4. After three tries, I could only see one option
      Wordle 1,146 4/6

      🟩🟨⬜⬜⬜
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    1. Apparently has been arrested.

      And will be released without charge as soon as the furore has died down and folk have moved on, when the BBC can run a 'threats to cut throats is perfectly normal and you should get used to it' campaign.

    3. 391231+ up ticks,

      O2O,
      Dangerous TWAT speak,applauded by a multitude of dangerous clapping twatters

  108. Please check out Aamer Anwar on Wiki, who is the Pakistani solicitor for the Manchester Airport thugs. Not only has he held a press conference, but has just been on Talk radio spouting his racist bile. Another solicitor was astounded at his words. Anwar also supported Tommy Sheridan, one of the Glasgow ice cream wars murderers, and a jihadi bride case. He has a lot of experience in grievance cases but I rather hope he’s gone too far this time.

    2. It's the brazen theft that gets me. There's no interest that it's not theirs. It is simple – we want it, so we take it.

        1. Much as I deplore Banksy's stupid privileged middle class left wing politics, he is a rather witty artist. In this case, howling at the moon.
          Also, he has to be commended for getting this pair interested in art. I bet they've never thought about any art that didn't include surgically enhanced titties before. I wonder how they will sell it on.
          This is the definition of street art…

  110. 391231+ up ticks,

    Dt,

    UK riots live: I’m not safe as a Muslim politician, says Sadiq Khan

    Gettaway, really, why would that be then.

      1. 391231+ up ticks,

        Evening SM,

        I do look upon that as music to the ears of the far righters, might even say ” the ears have it,the ears have it”.

      2. Probably a threat that is easier to bear if you travel in an armoured vehicle with bodyguards at someone else’s expense?

      1. He is just kidding, he has security. Unlike Boris who used to cycle around London when he was mayor.

          1. He is trying to justify his fleet of top end gas-guzzling limos and his muscle-bound goons that accompany him everwhere

    6. He should express his concerns with the London mayor, perhaps he has the power to do something about it!

  111. Good Evening.
    Blimey, I know I'm not a morning person, but earlier today as I sat quietly catching with things, a chap dressed in black, including a topper, walked slowly up the road. I nearly joined the passenger in the hearse.
    Now lightly raining and the air feels fresher.
    I see Pravda – formerly know as the Daily Telegraph – is plugging the government line.

    1. Apparently the same photo was used across the papers of the well organised counter-protestors who turned out to thwart the fictitious 100 protests which they said they would be occurring. Puppet theatre.

      1. A market in the Market Square in Shrewsbury has been cancelled due to rumours of "far right" protests.

  113. Dear Mr 2 Tier Kier Starmer. Just a couple of questions for you to ponder.

    1. Are you classing all those of us that attended the 80th Anniversary D-Day celebrations & Armed Forces Day this year as Far Right ?
    2. Are you going to call out All those that attend the Last Night of the Proms as Far Right for waving the Union Jack ?
    3. Are you going to discriminate us this year for respectfully wearing a Poppy at the Countrywide Remembrance Services as being Far Right because I certainly do NOT want you laying a Wreath on behalf of us all.

    Not that you will ever see this post but it's just something I Want off my chest.

    1. Lefties never think things through.. in five to ten years time there will be a shortage of aspiring Rap artistes.

      1. My thoughts exactly.
        Not that I’m exactly exempt from aches and pains despite being barely able to do a head over heels as a child, let alone a hand stand or cartwheel.

        1. I remember being offered a rubbery robster when I first went to the far east (unfortunately I was a vegetarian at that time)

  117. Labour councillor who called for far-Right rioters’ throats to be cut is arrested
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/08/labour-councillor-calls-for-rioters-throats-to-be-cut/

    The Metropolitan Police confirmed his arrest in a post on X, formerly Twitter, which included footage of him addressing protesters in London on Wednesday night.

    The post said “a man aged in his 50s” had been arrested at an address in south-east London and “was held on suspicion of encouraging murder and for an offence under the Public Order Act.” He is in custody at a south London police station.

    1. but not charged just like Muhammed Fahir.. and no doubt released on bail and given a lift home like Muhammed Fahir.
      Meanwhile the faaaaaar right thuuuuugs are having prison food.. prepared by Jihad Mo.

    2. but not charged just like Muhammed Fahir.. and no doubt released on bail and given a lift home like Muhammed Fahir.
      Meanwhile the faaaaaar right thuuuuugs are having prison food.. prepared by Jihad Mo.

    3. but not charged just like Muhammed Fahir.. and no doubt released on bail and given a lift home like Muhammed Fahir.
      Meanwhile the faaaaaar right thuuuuugs are having prison food.. prepared by Jihad Mo.

    4. Now arrest all those vicious bimbos standing behind him and clapping. At least they are getting publicly shamed on Twitt.

    2. the stasi doesn't need an extradition request.. they just patiently wait for you to attend a wedding or something.
      or, like Russia wait for your airplane to handily get diverted.

    3. the stasi doesn't need an extradition request.. they just patiently wait for you to attend a wedding or something.
      or, like Russia wait for your airplane to handily get diverted.

    4. "Head of the Met Police Sir Mark Rowley warns even people abroad will be arrested for mean posts."

      'Mean' posts? What on earth does that mean?

      Does it mean 'mean' as in average? Or as in reasoning? Or as in tight-fisted? As an average, reasoned and tight-fisted kind of bloke, am I in jeopardy of losing my liberty?

    5. "Head of the Met Police Sir Mark Rowley warns even people abroad will be arrested for mean posts."

      'Mean' posts? What on earth does that mean?

      Does it mean 'mean' as in average? Or as in reasoning? Or as in tight-fisted? As an average, reasoned and tight-fisted kind of bloke, am I in jeopardy of losing my liberty?

  119. Anyone think it weird how the BBC and press are on hand to film alleged protestors being led away in handcuffs from their homes for fast track sentencing?
    I expect to see a crowd on hand to lob rotten vegetables at them.
    Maybe they could hang them from a cage outside the court building for a few weeks.
    It all seems a bit strange, especially when the perpetrator of the mass murder has been kept out of the loop.
    Will the same thing happen to the Labour Councilor that was encouraging crowds to cut peoples throats if they are against immigration.
    The country appears to be falling into totalitarianism.

    1. The BBC and Police have form in this. Remember the appalling treatment of Cliff Richard. Trial by media. Anyone accused is automatically guilty. Salem witch trials is where we are now.

    2. Is there any truth in the rumour that the NHS is to withhold treatment from people who don't toe the government line on how wonderful immigrants are and we need thousands more of them? Far right normal people.

      1. I doubt it, but it's interesting that routine forms in the NHS ask 'have you had covid?' and 'have you been vaccinated?' .

  120. Anyone think it weird how the BBC and press are on hand to film alleged protestors being led away in handcuffs from their homes for fast track sentencing?
    I expect to see a crowd on hand to lob rotten vegetables at them.
    Maybe they could hang them from a cage outside the court building for a few weeks.
    It all seems a bit strange, especially when the perpetrator of the mass murder has been kept out of the loop.
    Will the same thing happen to the Labour Councilor that was encouraging crowds to cut peoples throats if they are against immigration.
    The country appears to be falling into totalitarianism.

  121. Banksy was stupid enough to leave one of his graffiti in Peckham on a satellite dish. The masked natives soon made off with the item but their shorts revealed they were, not surprisingly, sporting a heavy tan. DT.

    1. I can understand people can have fetishes and fantasies but i really don't understand that at all. Is he a closet Muslim? I know they like fucking goats, sheep and camels but they seem to have an aversion to dogs.
      Actually…that's probably why dogs in Muslim culture are haram because you don't get to eat them afterwards. Ponders………………………but not for long.

      1. Phil, dogs are regarded as unclean in islamic cultures because they lick their whatsits and then their owners, so it's a taboo based on fear of bacteria in dog saliva, and concerns about domestic hygiene.

          1. Everything about their medieval culture seems strange in the 21st century. I have visited a standard WC in a bar in Malta where someone squatted on the seat and covered the whole thing with shit. It couldn't be used again until a deep clean occurred.

            The thing is……………….the squat for pooing is actually better for the passing of a stool than the Western way. The colon is in a better position in a squat.

            My answer to that is a small plastic foot stool in front of the WC to raise the knees. You can buy little fold away ones.

          2. I know that squatting is more effective, but that's not the way we do it. It might work in those hole in the ground loos with foot holds that you get in France. They should stay in France, really. The sanitary ware suits them better.

          3. I haven't actually seen one of those in France in decades. I do, however, remember the first one i saw in the early 80s – I was horrified!

          6. Good to hear on the level, hope for on the up soon as. Time for Ovaltine in the hope for alleviating night cramps. See you tmrw maybe 🙂

          7. Do you get night cramps? I know what to do about those and I bet you’ve never heard of it before :D! I’m sure you have somewhere a horseshoe shaped magnet of the kind seamstresses used to pick up spilt pins. Put it in your bed about 9″ from the bottom, roughly where your feet go, with the pole ends pointing towards the top of the bed. Put it under the under-blanket so you don’t move it around too much or kick it out. I have a 5/5 success rate with recommending that and in every case it worked on the first night so let me know if it becomes 6/6!

          9. Good luck opo! I started getting night cramps a few years back so a magnet went into the bed and problem solved! You need to check it from time to time to make sure it is in the right position. I got a cramp unexpectedly one night so hopped out of bed and had a look. It had slipped down and was caught where the bottom sheet was tucked under the mattress!

          10. I will have to acquire the magnet first but am desperate so will be on the dreaded amazon just now.

          11. If things like hardware stores and haberdashers still exist nearby you should find them there.

          12. Good grief have never heard of that, sounds sufficiently bizarre to work. Just questioned him in the TV chair, hasn’t got one, so I’m going to buy one. Have tried everything, more salt, more water, magnesium tabs, bed socks, warm bath…you name it. Tired and kranky today, off to bed. Hope to see you again tmrw, will let you know re magnet when I’ve tried it, going to look online. Thx.

          13. I’d never heard of it either but my husband suffered from night cramps. When he had two legs he could jump out of bed to relieve it but once he lost a leg the problem became somewhat more serious. We happened to mention it to a friend who told us that he had an elderly aunt who did this for night cramps and it worked. As I had a magnet like that in my sewing kit we tried it that night – bingo! – no more problems. I have a theory about how it works which I will tell you when you’ve tried it. Good luck! The magnet you need must be horse-shoe shaped and about 2″ long.

          21. I don’t know anything about feng shui but I do know that my bed doesn’t face north!

          23. I know i know.

            French public toilets have always been disgusting. Just like them.

            In the Palace of Versailles the elites shat in the corners of the Hall of Mirrors.

          25. Edged in gold leaf….ahem…. and personalised poo footstalls for people to take home to remember me by… :@)

          27. Better than the Oscars !!! Something where you didn't have to go to a health Spa, Learn to drive, or increase your jewellery insurance massively you could just……….rest your feet. Bliss.

          28. Recommended for pregnant persons, Phiz….are congrats in order, asking for a friend…..btw wasn't on Gaza was it?

          29. I've seen the squatting on a Western dunny – not hygienic. Maybe that explains the state of the squat bogs in Arabia – effin' crap everywhere.
            I can't deal with squatting – trousers & knickers are a problem, and I'm always afraid of toppling over backwards into the keyhole. I prefer to sit to shit. Easier to read the paper, too.

        2. Yes i know that but then you still have to consider those who are mentally ill or can't afford the price for a 12 year old bride.

          There is plenty of evidence of them fucking anything they can get their hands on.

    2. Shoot him. He’s a waste of oxygen.
      Edit: or big blue bottle, like the animal he is.

    3. A coincidence I'm sure but it does seem the 'B'BC has a knack of picking degenerates to work for them.

  124. Is Starmer going to prove to be a modern day Sheriff of Nottingham figure?
    Instead of being appointed by a Norman King he has been appointed by globalist plutocrats.
    To subject the poor conquered people to unaffordable taxation, keep the short of food and cold in Winter.
    Then administer cruel instant punishment to anyone who gets in his way and threatens his masters agenda.
    We have five years to find out.
    He appears to have hit the ground running.

    2. Judge Jeffreys

      George Jeffreys, 1st Baron Jeffreys PC (15 May 1645 – 18 April 1689), also known as "the Hanging Judge",[1] was a Welsh judge. He became notable during the reign of King James II, rising to the position of Lord Chancellor (and serving as Lord High Steward in certain instances). His conduct as a judge was to enforce royal policy, resulting in a historical reputation for severity and bias.

  125. Signing off now folks. Try to keep a positive mental attitude and remember to lie when ever officials ask you anything. Had a text today from my surgery who are now starting their Autumn program of Winter flu and covid innocculations done as a double. The text didn't suggest in any way shape or form that i could refuse.
    They will be sending me an appointment in the next two weeks and what i found in the text was a scintilla of honesty. It said…thank you for supporting this surgery.

    Aren't they the ones who are supposed to be supporting me !!!

    Just said goodnight to my cleaner. The dear thing has OCD which makes her brilliant for that job ! She just keeps going accompanied by constant muttering. Only £10 per hour. The place looks better than when i moved in. I make an excellent slave driver. I will get her to pick my cotton flowers next. Shame she ain't black because i feel like whipping someone.

    1. Clever computer animation but impossible to get a ball (marble) to act like that in reality.

    1. People like him will deny until their dying day. They just cannot accept reality because it isn't the reality they want to live in. You can add Jess Philips to that. She said all the abuse and threats she received was because they were men. The stupid bitch couldn't bring herself to say that all those threats came from Muslim men.
      It won't be far right racists that rape and murder you Jess it will be those men you have invited to do so.
      I spent five years in Birmingham in the 80's. Went back to visit friends and there are dark hooded muslims hanging around everywhere.

    2. This is a reference to the Handsworth riots of 2005 involving West Indians and Pakistanis. As the news was breaking, the BBC reported it as though it was police v. ethnic minorities, unable as they were to comprehend fighting between the UK's ethnic minorities, who were supposed to be united as one against oppression by white people. There had been serious trouble between the same 'communities' in 1985 and more followed in 2011.

      When listening to the reporting from Harehills, I found myself thinking that many reporters were almost disappointed that the rioting wasn't white people picking on 'others'…

  128. Evening, all. Been wet and miserable today, which has scotched any chance of my getting on with the garden project and makes me very frustrated. My car still hasn't been repaired as well, to add to the stress. I gave in and lit the Rayburn, which is unprecedented for August. At least I'm not shivering in extra layers. To add to my woes, my horse (who was the best in the race and should have won) only finished fourth at Chepstow. I'm glad I didn't make the long journey down to watch.

    The "riots" have raised fundamental questions about how we are being gaslighted by our government. Everybody in the media is referring to "far right" protesters. There aren't any. There are lots of ordinary people who have just had enough of what's going on, plus a few agents provocateurs to do the government's bidding and try to bolster their narrative.

    1. 🎵Tomorrow is another day and the sun will come out tomorrow🎵

      Sorry for that Conners. :@)

    2. This "Far Right" theme is all over Europe, as well.
      Strohmann / stråmann/ strawman…

      1. Ordinary people like all of us need to get together and tell the left wing idiots to STFU.

    1. I took Kadi for a walk round the mere at Ellesmere a couple of Sundays ago. There were dogs leaping into the water and having a great time. Kadi kept well away and looked at me as if to say, "you aren't expecting ME to do that, are you?"

        1. During the really hot summer a couple of years ago, I bought a doggy swimming pool. Oscar refused to go anywhere near it. He wasn’t the sort of dog you could pick up and plonk in 🙂 It hasn’t been hot enough long enough this year to try Kadi’s reaction.

  130. I hope it does come out tomorrow. I've got a lot of work still to do to finish the project.

    1. There are days you’d rather not have, Conway! However others make up for them! Hope tomorrow is a good one!

      1. Thanks. I am not exactly OCD, but I am an "I've started so I'll finish" sort of person. I keep on telling myself that I WILL get it done eventually.

  135. I haven't been to France for about 5 years now, but the last time I went we stopped at an aire de repos and the loos were of that type.

    1. Yes, it was in an aire de repos that I saw my first one but I didn’t know they still had them as recently as five years ago.

        1. I only went to Paris/France for the first time in 1975! I don’t remember seeing any in Paris though.

          1. Ha! My enduring memory of arriving in Paris c 1965 or so was of a pissoir consisting of these, with men pissing in urinals around – no privacy and utterly stinking. You had to paddle in shit.

          4. Maybe not – I was 27 before my first trip back to UK/Europe after we emigrated when I was five :))

    1. Yes. I just read we had the hottest July on record. I wish someone had told me. August is going to be an absolute scorcher. And i have already put up the marqui to fend off the rain this weekend.

      1. Hope all y'all have a fabulous time, Phizzee. I'd love to be over and join in, but sadly, the realities of transport get in the way. Enjoy! Hope you use the marquee as a sunshade, not rain protection!

        1. Kind of you to say so Paul. I will be missing George and Katie very much too. Sodding escape artistes !
          I will be posting pictures of the event…showing off the exquisite array of canapes and shop bought gateaux……

      1. They never seem to keep mentioning glowball warming in the winter. Although by there standards it must be happening. I call it weather.
        It never had a mention in 1976.

  137. Toby Young in the Spectator

    Free speech stops riots
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    With depressing predictability, the riots have led to calls for more censorship. Historically, it was the authoritarian right who blamed outbreaks of civil disorder on too much free speech, but this knee-jerk, illiberal reaction is now more likely to be found on the left. I’m not just thinking of Paul Mason, who called for Ofcom to revoke GB News’s broadcast licence, or even Carole Cadwalladr, who tweeted: ‘This should be our Dunblane moment. Only with social media not guns.’ I’m thinking of statements by the Prime Minister and the Home Secretary.

    Is Sir Keir going to urge the police to investigate his own role in ‘whipping up violence’?
    In his first speech about the unrest last week, Sir Keir Starmer said: ‘And let me also say to large social media companies and those who run them… Violent disorder clearly whipped up online… That is also a crime. It’s happening on your premises. And the law must be upheld everywhere.’ A few days later, his spokesman took aim at Elon Musk for tweeting ‘civil war is inevitable’ below a video of rioters aiming fireworks at police. The spokesman said there was ‘no justification’ for Musk’s comment, adding: ‘Anyone who is whipping up violence will face the full force of the law.’

    So is the former director of public prosecutions asking the police to investigate the owner of Twitter? Even if Musk was guilty of ‘whipping up violence’, I know of no such criminal offence in England and Wales. Stirring up hatred against a group on the basis of their race or religion is an offence, as is inciting someone to commit a crime. But even a Crown Prosecution Service in thrall to Sir Keir would baulk at charging Musk with either of those offences. In any event, could he be prosecuted for breaking one of our laws while 5,000 miles away? Perhaps the Prime Minister was urging Ofcom to investigate Musk’s comments using its new powers under the Online Safety Act. But that, too, seems like a long shot.

    Most popular
    Douglas Murray
    The unfashionable truth about the riots

    The same tone was adopted by Yvette Cooper on Monday when she was interviewed on Good Morning Britain by her husband Ed Balls. (Surely that’s more deserving of an Ofcom investigation?) ‘Social media has put rocket boosters under… some of the violence that we have seen,’ she said. ‘[Social media companies] have to take much greater responsibility for what is happening on their platforms.’

    For all the talk of ‘whipping up violence’, this sounds like a case of blaming the messenger in much the same way that ‘pirate radio’ was fingered for the riots in Birmingham in 2005, and BlackBerry for the unrest in 2011. The authorities have already started arresting right-wing social-media users for stirring up racial hatred, which looks like another example of ‘two-tier policing’. After all, no such arrests were made in the wake of the Black Lives Matter protests, even though hundreds of thousands of social-media users in the UK ‘whipped up’ violence against the police by accusing them of racism. During one demonstration, which the BBC described as ‘largely peaceful’, 27 officers were injured. Social media companies were also culpable – more so than now – because they promoted pro-BLM posts and, in some cases, included a BLM logo on their platforms. But Sir Keir didn’t demand they should feel ‘the full force of the law’. On the contrary, he took the knee.

    I suppose the Prime Minister could argue he wasn’t in charge back then, but that doesn’t solve the ‘two tier’ problem, because people on the left have been guilty of disseminating ‘harmful misinformation’ in the past week and I doubt they’ll have their collars felt. Last Saturday, Nick Lowles, the chief executive of Hope Not Hate, tweeted: ‘Reports are coming in of acid being thrown out of a car window at a Muslim woman in Middlesbrough. Absolutely horrendous.’ Those reports turned out to be baseless, but it’s possible they contributed to young Asian men engaging in running battles with anti-immigrant protestors in the town the following day. Indeed, you could argue that the PM’s statement blaming ‘far-right’ outsiders for organising the unrest in Southport – and singling out their attack on a mosque – contributed to the violence by Asian counter-protestors over the following days. Is Sir Keir going to urge the police to investigate his own role in ‘whipping up violence’?

    To paraphrase the US Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, the best remedy for harmful speech is not enforced silence, but more and better speech. It was the absence of accurate information about the Southport attacker’s identity – due to legal restrictions – that led to the feverish speculation. More censorship would make things worse, not better.

    2. "…Paul Mason…called for Ofcom to revoke GB News’s broadcast licence…"

      Excellent! Another one to add my collection from the monumentally mad Marxist.

        1. You're fairly new here, so the old-timers will forgive me for repeating these bon mots from Mason.

          On Radio 4 the day after Emma Raducanu won the US Open tennis in 2021:
          "This is the child of Romanian and Chinese migrants, born in Canada, who's chosen Britain, who is now the global emblem of Britain in the world… [in research] for the book I've just written about the far right, I've repeatedly met people in this country who want to put people like Emma Raducanu into a van and escort them to Dover."

          His Tweeted verdict on the 2019 general election result:
          "…a victory of the old over the young, of racists over people of colour, of selfishness over the planet".

          Writing in the New Statesman during lockdown in January 2021:
          The anti-vaxx, anti-mask and "Plandemic" movements are drawn from the same stratum in society that massed to "defend Winston Churchill" during the panic over Black Lives Matter and that flocked to Brexit Party rallies the year before. They are not fascists, but they are a group prone to what the French call "Poujadism" – small-town xenophobia based on carefully contrived ignorance.

  138. No wonder he left early today, some one from France named B. Thomas won the velodrome long-distance cycling race.

  139. Three men have appeared in court accused of drugs and modern slavery charges after they allegedly forced two boys to work for them.

    Qaiser Mahmood, 40, Husnain Mahmood, 36, and Zerkerman Mahmood, 31, are said to have forced the two 'vulnerable' youths to carry out tasks, which included carrying out criminal damage and 'retaining drugs and bullets'.

    The court heard how all the defendants were linked to the two youngsters who worked in a shop for Qaiser Mahmood.

    Qaiser Mahmood and Husnain Mahmood are both accused of supplying cannabis and cocaine and two counts of requiring a person to perform forced or compulsory labour.

    Zerkerman Mahmood is also accused of supplying cannabis and cocaine and two counts of requiring a person to perform forced or compulsory labour.

    Qaiser Mahmood and Husnain Mahmood appeared in the dock at Stockport Magistrates’ Court on Thursday alongside each other, while Zerkerman Mahmood, appeared via video link from HMP Featherstone.

    The men only spoke to confirm their name, date of birth and address and no pleas were entered.

    Qaiser Mahmood, of Cheadle Hulme, Stockport, and Husnain Mahmood, of Ellesmere Port, Cheshire, were bailed to appear at Manchester's Minshull Street Crown Court on September 12.

    Zekerman Mahmood was remanded to appear on the same date.

    A fourth man Faraqh Hussain, 47, failed to attend court and is accused of two charges of requiring a person to perform forced or compulsory labour.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13724581/men-court-modern-slavery-charges-boys-drugs-bullets.html

    1. Ah, yes.
      The Cheshire Mahmoods.
      You'd never get the Lancashire Mahmoods behaving like that.

  140. from The Telegraph

    The British migrant dream is thriving. It’s poor white boys who are in trouble
    The UK has a great story to tell on integration. It is one of the very best places on earth to be a newcomer

    Fraser Nelson8 August 2024 • 5:38pm
    When London erupted in the summer of 2011, we heard from sociologists, economists and politicians all trying to make sense of the senseless. They tended to use the riots as vindication of whatever theory they had always been advocating – from a fatherlessness epidemic to nascent class war. Mick Jagger was in the city at the time and offered a rather different analysis “There’s no warning,” he said. “But it’s a regular feature of English urban life, if you think about it. Every ten years, you get some riots.”

    The Jagger theory – that it’s hard to assign politics or logic to rare moments of fury – makes more sense than the Britain-at-war narrative peddled by social media and spreading world over.

    Elon Musk has been promoting Twitter users who talk of “Muslim patrols” versus “British patriots”. Others speak of ethnic minority communities, intimidated and bullied by the far-Right. With arsonists targeting migrant hotels, as happened in Sweden years ago, some see Britain heading in the same direction: towards a two-tier society with a criminal subculture.

    But Sweden has the world’s worst record of merging immigrants into the economy. Britain does far better. The riots take place not against a backdrop of racial tension but in a country where, polls show, people are more positive about immigrants than almost anyone else in Europe.

    Not so long ago Britain had a Hindu prime minister, a Buddhist home secretary, a Muslim mayor of London, a Muslim first minister of Scotland and a black first minister of Wales. This tends not to happen in countries where skin colour is a serious impediment to progress.

    Having a government led by someone called Rishi Sunak is entirely consistent with a country where those of Indian heritage are twice as likely to have six-figure incomes as whites. Kemi Badenoch caused uproar when she said that Britain is the best country in the world to be black, but there is plenty of evidence to support her case. Race riots often come when an ethnic minority has been forced to the margins of society. That’s not really Britain’s story.

    One of Keir Starmer’s big mistakes was to try to hitch himself to the Black Lives Matter bandwagon and release a photo of him “taking the knee”. The problem with importing the American theories of “white privilege” is that it’s hard, in Britain, to suggest that “people of colour” are at a serious disadvantage. Here, non-whites are more likely to be in top jobs than whites and there is plenty of evidence of what Michael Howard famously called the “British dream”. The UK’s highest earners are Indians, then the Chinese, then “white other”.

    Take GCSE results, due next week. Passing at least five of the tougher subjects is now called the “English baccalaureate”.

    Some 62 per cent of Chinese pupils took this challenge last year, as did 51 per cent of Asians and 47 per cent of blacks. White pupils finished quite a bit behind at 35 per cent. If you adjust for wealth, by looking at pupils eligible for free school meals, the picture worsens. Some 45 per cent of Asian pupils on free school meals achieve decent grades (grade 5 or higher) in English and Maths as do 40 per cent of black pupils. But just 25 per cent of the white kids do so. In no other ethnic group does poverty seem to have such an impact on academic attainment.

    At the last count, 76 per cent of teenage girls with a Bangladeshi background went to university, as did 71 per cent of poor black African girls. But it was just 15 per cent for poor white boys, of whom only 2 per cent went to a top university. (Some 42 per cent of poor Chinese girls did so.) What is it about our social and education model that produces such staggering racial disparities? Why do working-class white boys do so much worse? And why is no one really interested in discussing it?

    Letting go of voguish theories about disadvantage can be difficult – but vital, if today’s problems are to be addressed. When Rachel Reeves became Chancellor she said it should encourage all girls to shoot for the top. Where, precisely, does she see a lack of young female ambition? Girls are now far more likely to apply to university: it’s the boys she needs to worry about. The gender gap for uni applications is now almost as big as that between rich and poor.

    Instead of American critical race theory, Starmer should look at the work of Angus Deaton, a Nobel laureate who has highlighted what he calls “deaths of despair” in white Americans.

    This phenomenon shows those with low education turning to drink and drugs – and leading to deaths from overdose, liver disease or suicide. They don’t riot. But they shouldn’t need to, surely, to be taken seriously. Similar trends can be found in Britain, for those who take the trouble to look.

    Let’s take those who appeared in the dock of Teesside Magistrates’ Court after the Middlesbrough riot. Each gave their address, from which you can work out neighbourhood deprivation. In the communities the accused came from, some 26 per cent were on out-of-work benefits, on average. More than twice the UK norm. Stacey Vint, accused of trying to ram police with a blazing wheelie bin, is from a Middlesbrough neighbourhood where almost half are on benefits. Quite something, in the middle of a worker-shortage crisis.

    The British dream is working for a great many of those who came here to seek it – and we can be proud of that. But the British dream is not working so well for working-class whites and we should be deeply disturbed by that.

    Now and again, politicians summon up the courage to talk about this – as Theresa May did when, on the steps of No 10, she spoke of the plight of white working-class boys. But nothing was done. Nothing ever seems to be done.

    After the 1981 Toxteth riots, Michael Heseltine famously declared that the inner cities were in urgent need of regeneration and an agenda was born. The 2024 riots may not yield hard conclusions. But as we search for the truth behind claims of British racial tension and inequality, we do see the problem of left-behind whites slowly becoming a crisis. If Starmer wants to pick an agenda from the wreckage of the last few days, he needs look no further.

    1. Integration? What integration? Admittedly, it IS the best place on earth to be a newcomer, but one of the worst to be indigenous.

    2. Poor diet , poor parenting and lack of stimulation are the result of a diminished IQ, isn't that true?

      Lads like that need to be nurtured from an early age , nursery schools , they need to be cossetted, welfare needs attended to , parental pride , WORK, Discipline , good pay , proper recreation facilities , and role models not peer group role models ..

      Lads need to be proud of their descendants , do many know who their fathers are .

      Jobless parents are the same all over the country , some are happy to be jobless ..

      The welfare culture has ruined generations of feckless mothers and fathers and subsequently offspring .

      1. I know my parentage back to 530. I'm 50th generation, have a daughter, 5 Grandchildren and two Great-grandchildren so we are now 53 generations.

      2. But not only jobless parents, Belle, but parents (mothers, in this case) with jobs who send their children off to a crèche whilst they go off to work; mothers with high-powered job who are just too busy for their children. Society is in a mess.

    3. Thank goodness someone is pointing out Musk's role in spreading the riots story, rather than hailing him as the saviour of free speech, which he most certainly is not.

  141. Another day is done, so, I wish you a goodnight and may God bless all you Gentlefolk. If we are spared! Bis morgen früh.

  142. My word it's been all go. (Sarc) I had to water my tomatoes in the greenhouse, pollinate some plants with a small paint brush.
    Answer the front door twice take in a delivery and make a chicken Rissoto for dinner and eat half of it. With a large glass of Vino.
    Make three phone calls, this morning, sorted our car insurance out, after our usual company tried to increase the premium by nearly 200 quid. For absolutely no reason but pure greed.
    Good quote accepted from Liverpool Victoria.
    It even rained most of the afternoon after a glorious start.
    Head down in half an hour.
    Good night all 😴

    1. Pah! That's nothing last year's home insurance was £299, the quote that dropped on the hall floor yesterday nearly floored me. £993!!!!! Even surprised the agent I phoned. Checked same company online £871. I don't want to make a saga of this, but needless to say I've gone elsewhere.

      1. I suspect that people living on benefits in social housing don’t bother with insurance and because the companies profit margins are slipping away they like all the other known robbers are ripping off the general public at will.

  145. Motor cycle safely delivered.
    Stepson visited and taken for a trip to Stone.
    Drive home and not a lot else.
    A bit of welcome precipitation and now ready for bed.
    Good night all.

  146. 391231+ up ticks,

    I take it then that any opposition to these rights could be taken as a declaration of a very serious nature in regards to the indigenous peoples of these Isles.

    Seemingly, the political overseers and the invaders are as one with the country's political overseers acting as quartermasters to the in-house standing army.

    https://x.com/BloodyOy/status/1821607429597229310

    1. Article 7 in the ECHR? It's the first amenrmen to the US constitution. Go figure.

    3. Interestingly…

      "Article 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights (ECHR) sets out that member states’ interferences with the right to freedom of expression should be defined in law"

      Additionally, the Critic magazine suggests that the shadowy organisations deployed to monitor us and actively breach our Article 10 rights might not have proper authority to do so; especially when the current fracas dies down.

      An interesting short read here: https://thecritic.co.uk/are-we-being-watched/

      1. Interesting. I've lately been thinking along similar lines. Surely the govt and the PM have to abide by certain legalities. It's a subject we must explore. Surely some of the things they are saying and doing are illegal.

        1. Yes I’d say on the balance of probabilities. As the Critic points out, monitoring for criminal activity could be justified. There’s law covering the use of social media. The point of conflict comes when it is suggested that political comment or simple exchanges of ideas are sucked into the process. Some of it, a lot of it in fact, is actually flagged up by civil servants in these “shadowy” organisations, possibly acting beyond remit. They’ll continue to act even after any investigation is being done. Are they really spying on the public under those circumstances, especially when they flag something as “problematic”, or are they engaged in a legitimate breach of Article 10?

    1. My late much loved great aunt lived in a prefab, in Guiseley nr Leeds, post war . She was a district midwife , and her home was so warm and cosy, spacious , with a garage for her Austin seven , and later, Morris Minor .

      1. When I lived in Bow, there was a small estate of prefabs behind the flats we lived in. They were neat and tidy, and made individual by the occupants / council painting the outside different colours. They looked really quite good – this was back in 1980, though, so they were only about 35 years old.

  148. Forgive me if I puke.

    The police are clearly able to find, catch and prosecute anyone, so why aren't they doing the same for shoplifters, car thieves, phone thieves, burglars, muggers, knife wielders, fly-tippers, et cetera et bloody cetera.
    Let alone rapists, paedophiles, child traffickers and drug lords.
    Not to mention a certain religious demographic who are clearly above the law.

    Useless BoC.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13724705/Moment-police-haul-away-camo-Crocs-wearing-far-right-thug-teenager-stood-burnt-car-continue-raids.html

    If ever there was proof that there is two tier policing this is it.

    1. One also does wonder why they are unable to deal with the illegal arrivals with such efficiency and disregard for "human rights"

      1. They're able to, opopanax, but they don't. Question is why…apparently because we're not/haven't been breeding in sufficient numbers, and we need more 'workers'. Let's suggest a figure, any figure, of numbers so far this year…of whatever number we choose, around 90% will be here perfectly legally, and only around 10% illegally. Or so I'm told. More info I'm told…we can't deport any because of ECHR, which we apparently can't leave because it's embedded into the NI Agreement to keep it in step with the Republic. I could easily be mistaken, if so I apologise and someone will correct me, been a very long and tedious day. Bit 'donkey on the edge'.

        3. We don't. though, do we (need more workers)? I remember when I was really quite small there was talk of "job creation schemes" and even then it seemed like contrived twaddle, a way to squander resources. You don't need to create meaningless jobs, you just need to free people up to do what they are good at and allow them to be paid for it, at the going rate, and to keep their own money. In the meantime, there are plenty of mindless occupations that pay a living wage – factory work, agricultural work, etc.. All of it stuff students used to do and enjoy before they became too up themselves to consider manual labour, and all of it character building – far more so than the Gap Yah.

    2. AND another thing.
      How is it that there are always plenty of cameras on hand to record the "captures"

    2. All we have nowadays is a ginger growler. Looking fwd to meet at the secret clandestine meeting at the weekend. Did you get the password!

    3. I think the comment is correct where Ginger said she had to do all the steps Fred did, but backwards !

  150. I'm going to wish you all goodnight. I've already had my internet freeze once tonight and had to restart both the router and the laptop to get back online. I'm going to quit while I'm ahead.

        1. I was never good at spolling. I usually drink Aldi single malt, pretty cheap really but rather nice on my untrained palette. If you google up the Scottish place it is said to have originated, it doesn't exist. So I suspect it is acquired on the 'grey' market and is probably something quite reasonable.

          1. Well they can't sell it as a singe malt unless it is. So it must be. Anyway, if you enjoy it as such then there is no problem 😉

          2. Sounds a bit like what I used to buy from Kwiksave!
            Their then £10 bottles of malt were barrel ends from diverse distilleries mixed (No, not blended, mixed) together.

          3. All and only Scotch is spelled as WHISKY. The rest are WHISKEY unless they’re being pretensions..

      1. Thank you, Bob. I went off for a soak in the bath, seeing as the Rayburn had heated the water. Bliss!

  153. Asking for a friend. Is it stirring up "hate" to repost online the results of a You Gov survey, as follows?

    "Following a week of rioting and unrest, a situation the public tend to think Starmer has handled badly, 53% of Britons say they have an unfavourable view of the new prime minister (up four points), compared to 37% with a favourable view (down three), giving a net favourability score of -16."

    1. To be serious, stirring up hate is anything the authorities want it to mean, as proven this week. Just wait until TR reappears, he is never going to be seen on a public platform again. By the time he is released from jail people will have forgotten who he is.

  154. from Coffee House, the Spectator

    The unfashionable truth about the riots
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    As the days slip by, the likelihood that anything will be learned from the recent rioting looks ever more remote. And with that suspicion comes the inevitable sense of déjà-vu. Because we have indeed been here before.

    In 2011 England was engulfed by riots, originating in London but leading to copycat violence across the north of England. The ostensible cause that time was the shooting by police of Mark Duggan, a charming young drug dealer who was in possession of a gun. The initial unrest in Tottenham may well have started as a result of claims that police had shot an innocent man – and an innocent black man at that. But by the time Birmingham, Manchester and Liverpool were going at it, the proximate cause for the violence seemed to have been forgotten.

    The economy has created more jobs, but this has not reduced the workless levels of local populations
    The coalition government set up a panel to look into the causes of the violence, and as with most such government panels it was made clear from the start what the answers could not be. Indeed, after the report was released The Spectator published a minority report by Simon Marcus, one of the members of the panel, blowing the whistle on matters his fellow panel members refused to consider. These things included gang membership and ‘an epidemic of father absence’.

    Equally interesting is to look at the few things that people were allowed to focus on back then. The 2011 riots happened in the aftermath of the great crash of 2008. Many government officials and wise heads in the media tried to understand the spate of lawlessness by looking at things through this lens. One of the few acceptable questions to ask about those riots regarded the correlation between deprivation and rioting. This was one of the fashionable things to fix on.

    Doubtless similar fixations will emerge now. The long-defunct English Defence League and the question of social media appear to be the main focuses of permitted attention. But I decided to do some checking on the employment stats for some of the northern towns that have seen the worst rioting in the past week. I also checked the 2011 statistics and then compared the two. I should warn you in advance that if you’re easily depressed, you should look away now.

    Back in 2011, the proportion on out-of-work benefits (including incapacity benefit) in Sunderland was 18 per cent; today it is 19 per cent. In 2011 the unemployment figure in Rotherham was 16 per cent; today it is 18 per cent. In Hartlepool, it was 21 per cent; today, 23 per cent. Consider just that last one. A quarter of people of working age in the area are claiming welfare for incapacity or worklessness.

    If you look at the figures for the towns in which rioting has occurred in the past week, there is not one of them in which the job situation has improved in 13 years. In every one, the employment has got demonstrably worse since 2011.

    Let us assume that unemployment and the resultant hopelessness were factors in the 2011 riots. Personally, I am slightly reluctant to do so, because plenty of people who have had every disadvantage in life do not decide to burn police stations. But since this was seen as one of the causes of the 2011 conflagration, why did nothing get better? Why, instead, did it get measurably worse?

    One reason is that from 2011 until today, all three main parties have followed the same model on job creation. Seemingly un-able to actually improve education, incentives and job opportunities in these areas, they went for the easy route. That was to issue visas for migrants to come to the UK and to claim that the economy was growing as a result. Of course this ‘growth’ is almost entirely faked. Study after study shows that this type of migration benefits the migrant (naturally) but does almost nothing to improve the actual economy. In fact for many people it undercuts local labour and, due to increased demand for housing and limited housing stock, it makes their situation much worse.

    At the time of the 2011 riots, foreign-born workers accounted for 14 per cent of the UK workforce. Today it’s 21 per cent. Employment has grown by 3.6 million since 2011, but fully 74 per cent of this is down to immigrant workers.

    In these figures you see one of the inevitable failures of consecutive governments. The economy has created more jobs, but this has not reduced the workless levels of local populations. The communities who needed the work have been bypassed. ‘Left behind’ doesn’t do justice to what has happened, because it makes it sound like it happened in a fit of absentmindedness. It didn’t. It was a decision. So while 3.6 million more are in work compared with 2011, only 929,000 were born here. The job creation benefited many people, but it did not do much for Bolton, Sefton or Rotherham.

    ‘He’s getting so good at telling his right from his far right.’
    There will be plenty of discussion in the coming days about the cultural and immigration factors in these riots – as there should be. But this other cause of the unrest should not be ignored. Successive governments promised to do something to help improve the lives of people in these towns. An inclusive economic model, we were told. A dividend of Brexit, even. But they didn’t just do nothing. They did worse than nothing.

    Our government has the same choice the Conservative and coalition governments had. It could focus on getting people into work and bringing work back to these areas. Or, like the governments before them, it could try to cover up the problem with immigration. As the Tory party could tell them, it is an easy and addictive fix. Does Keir Starmer have the guts to go cold turkey? Everything will depend on whether he does.

    1. I think the Speccie might be overthinking this. A workforce imbalance caused this?

      Hmmm …

    1. Good morning Geoff,

      Hope you have slept well and are ready for another day.

      Windy weather last night and the dog fidgeted and kept us awake until the wee small hours.

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