Tuesday 10 June: Britain’s dysfunctional finances are stifling aspiration and opportunity

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  1. Good morning, chums. And thanks, Geoff, for today's new NoTTLe site. First!!!

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    1. Defeated me today! I took into account being held up by a stray cat, and ignored the thief!

  5. Britain’s dysfunctional finances are stifling aspiration and opportunity

    Our government is unleashing geniusocide on our people

  7. Morning all.

    Thanks to the Spanish headlong policy of relying on renewables and cutting back its nuclear power generation our Government has seen the light – and it's not coming from the sun!

    2. Now we just need French nuclear engineers to make it using borrowed Chinese laundered money to finance it. Sizewell Xi?

      1. Now we just need to use AI to find out how turn human waste into electrical energy – job done? I sure we will be flushed with success.

    3. It almost certainly won’t be coming from light bulbs either. Candles probably.

  8. Good morning all.
    A bit dull and damp after overnight rain to start with, but now brightening up as the sky clears.
    A sunny day forecast. 14°C outside.

    1. Nonsense, Herr Oberst. You were talking about the weather and not about your good self.

  11. Just contrast the widespread reporting of the mostly peaceful LA riot with the under reported protests in Ireland.

    The anti Trump pro immigration Lefty rent a mob in LA are good.
    The genuine protesters in Ireland worried about the safety of people especially young women from attack by recently arrived immigrants are all bad.

    Never before has the difference between having a Western country run by the new world order and signed up to all their great reset agendas and one lone country with a democratically popular president that isn't and is pushing back against all the dystopia been so evident.

  14. I do not know if Grizz is able to read the page at the moment, but I presume he'd agree with this:-

    Broken policing

    SIR – When I joined the Metropolitan Police in 1967, the annual salary of £1,000 was not a fortune but it was adequate. There was generous rent aid or, failing that, free housing. Most of all there was strong camaraderie, and we were led by officers who’d “been there and done it”.

    Then came the Police and Criminal Evidence Act, plus the disastrous Crown Prosecution Service, both of which generated enormous amounts of unnecessary correspondence that slowed criminal justice to a snail’s pace. Matters were exacerbated by senior officers who had been promoted way beyond their experience and capabilities. Dedicated detectives were returned to uniform and morale plummeted.

    Policing is broken (report, June 9)? Believe me, this isn’t a sudden malaise. It happened decades ago.

    Dick Kirby
    Great Whelnetham, Suffolk

  15. Britain will lead the world in new nuclear golden age

    As is my habit, I dived into The Telegraph on line this morning around 05:45 to find an article with the above heading, purporting to be by Mad Ed Millipede. I thought it must be a clever spoof, but as I read down about a New Golden Age of Clean Energy I realised that it was REALLY by him.

    It shows how out of touch this fella is with reality that he should publish in the newspaper whose readers hate him and his deeds more than almost any there.

    At the moment, already there are over 700 BTL Comments – all of them snarling at his madness and effrontery. He really is off the scale SEN.

    He is being "interviewed" on Radio 4's Toady (sic) programme at 08:10 this morning. DON'T MISS IT!

  16. Britain will lead the world in new nuclear golden age

    As is my habit, I dived into The Telegraph on line this morning around 05:45 to find an article with the above heading, purporting to be by Mad Ed Millipede. I thought it must be a clever spoof, but as I read down about a New Golden Age of Clean Energy I realised that it was REALLY by him.

    It shows how out of touch this fella is with reality that he should publish in the newspaper whose readers hate him and his deeds more than almost any there.

    At the moment, already there are over 700 BTL Comments – all of them snarling at his madness and effrontery. He really is off the scale SEN.

    He is being "interviewed" on Radio 4's Toady (sic) programme at 08:10 this morning. DON'T MISS IT!

    1. Good morning, Annie. I clicked on the link and it tells me that it is a scam attempting to get at my finances?!?!?

      1. Morning, Olaf's Relict.
        Eh? I've just clicked on the link and it's taken me to the article.
        Have the Chinese bugged southern Colchester?

    2. Excellent article.
      The BTL appears to have some even stranger inhabitants than Nottle.

    4. A good article but Jupp is blaming the 'Right'. He mentions 'right' nineteen times and NeoCons nine times. It should be directed at the Loony Liberals and Lefties aided and abetted by a few US NeoCons who only want the profits from arms sales and military supplies.

  19. 407129+up ticks,

    Morning Each,

    Telegraph View
    Starmer’s Brexit betrayal will endanger British waters
    Sir David Attenborough has brought attention to the damage caused to ocean floors by deep sea dredging

    That's offshore, ONSHORE the daily witnessed BREXIT betrayal with a VENGEANCE continues unabated. with decent patriotic peoples trying to bring attention to this ongoing rape and asset stripping of a once very decent Nation, for the past forty years.

      1. Interesting the interpreter story was posted earlier than J.B.F's link, so clearly Lyndsey Telford doesn't think Maria McCann's information is relevant.

      1. Bigots! Fascists! Faaaaaarrrrr rrrioigghhtt extremists!

        Remember the peaceful protests at Harehills shortly before the Welsh choirboy got a bit stabby? -oops let’s not go there…

    2. Isn't strange how when and if common sense can finally settle a problem, something else sinister becomes more relevant and sets out to stir things up again.

  26. I'd love to see Starmer attempt his lock em up tricks on this far far far right lot.

    Around 2,500 people gathered in the Harryville area of Ballymena, Co Antrim to riot after two 14-year-olds who appeared in court over an attempted rape needed a Romanian interpreter.

    Of course the Opposition & MSN will give him a free ride on this.

  27. I'd love to see Starmer attempt his lock em up tricks on this far far far right lot.

    Around 2,500 people gathered in the Harryville area of Ballymena, Co Antrim to riot after two 14-year-olds who appeared in court over an attempted rape needed a Romanian interpreter.

    Of course the Opposition & MSN will give him a free ride on this.

  28. Morning all 🙂😊
    Broken cloud some sun, forecast for over 20c later !
    finances 8 government 10
    Just one word with two more letters would have been a more realistic headline today.

      2. Tuesday 10 June: Britain’s dysfunctional X finances X (Government) are stifling aspiration and opportunity

        finances 8 letters Government 10 letters

  29. 407129+ up ticks,

    Many question are asked and some even answered in the HP sauce factory but very little action, if any, goes external.

    It's the political overseers shop window all seemingly open and above board, in reality more is like 39/45
    commodities being covertly under the counter and transacted in secret until "to late the deal is done"

    https://x.com/Basil_TGMD/status/1931650399255085424

    1. If Yusuf was out of the Reform Party and Lowe was back in it then we might begin to have a rational alternative to what has become the Ref/Con/Lib-Dem/Lab uniparty

    2. Pity that Farage didn't bugger off to leave Rupert in charge of Reform. The party and the people would be a lot better off.

    1. I think this has been stopped or at least paused due to local population being against it.

    2. The builders should sabotage the foundations or have they got muslim builders?

    4. Ah well if its doctors, then everything’s OK then.

      After all, we couldn’t possibly train our own doctors, could we?

      Expect an application for a mosque in Richmond Park any day now, as that is totally taken over by our peaceful friends.

    5. Furness General Hospital has only 250 inpatient beds. Why does it need 50 muslim doctors and how many other doctors are there?

  31. 407129+ up ticks,

    Morning Mo,
    I don't believe you can go far wrong with "Romania"

  33. Fear.

    The establishment is fully aware of how the Islamists would react if totally thwarted in their objectives.

    2. 'morning sos…very large elephant/s in the room are the numbers…doubt anyone knows how many there are.

        2. There is supposed to be 4 million so we can comfortably add on another million to that.

    3. Islamists know that the nastier, the crueller, the more violent and the more disruptive they are the more our feeble politicians and the MSM will cave in to them.

      Compared with today's mass demonstrations. The students' riots of the 1960s were chicken feed

      I say that what we want is tolerance and peace
      In proof of this I smash up cars and throw things at the police
      I refuse to hear a point of view that's different from my own
      A really reasonable debate's a thing Ive never known!

    4. I'm not sure of that. Having lived in an Islamic culture I think they might take the strategy of victimhood rather than aggression because, in numbers they are at a distinct disadvantage for trying violent overthrow. Islam has the strategy of how to take over down to a fine art.

      1. I believe that if the State refused all special treatment, mosques, schools, dress, Sharia halal etc then violent protests would take place.

        1. I think that would be a good thing, burst the boil before it gets totally unmanageable.

      2. They are already playing the victim card. At the same time they are infiltrating as many positions of power as they can. Wait until they get a blasphemy law reinstated.

  34. Ed Davey Using Seat Filler Service to Promote Book-Flogging Event
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    11h
    Insiders say he has already started on his next book on another subject very close to his heart, and wallet..
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    Send in the Clones
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    LibDems in a nutshell.
    Tells you all you need to know.
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    It's a no from me
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    1. To stop it we need politicians in power with the strength of character, firm belief in Christian values and the political will to stop this takeover.

      Unfortunately we do not have any and unless we find some soon our civilisation will be lost forever.

  36. Good Morning!

    Frederick Edward is back with a summary of where Reform finds itself after the turmoil of the last few weeks. Please read The Yusuf Problem , vote in the poll, and let us know how you feel about ReformUK.

    In A Pox On Prevent! we look into this program, which like almost all other State organisations, has turned itself into an instrument of oppression, now on clear display as it suggests that having right wing, conservative and patriotic opinions makes you an extremist and potential terrorist.

    As we learn that one four schools has a non-white majority and many schools contain no white British children at all, in The Centre Cannot Hold , Xandra H looks at the mess created by the Globalist 'elite' and concludes that Britain is not a healthy society, let alone a free one and that Britain cannot exist as a concept without its white population.

    Energy Watch: Over the last 24 hours: Britain's electric power was sourced from Gas, 18.7%; Solar, 6.8%: Wind 32.2%; Imports, 17.83%; Biomass, 6.8%; Nuclear 15.2% and Miscellaneous, 2.6%.

    freespeechbacklash.com

  37. Dontcha just love Lefties.. as they get hysterical.
    Donald Trump slightly stumbles while boarding Air Force One.
    Sharp-as-a-needle Biden stumbled.. flatulated.. dribbled.. wandered off.. every time he moved.

    1. If you're tall, often your feet are bigger than other folks. I can tell you now that stairs are a blasted nightmare. They're too high for a start, and far, far too shallow. Often I can only get half my foot on a step. Houses are designed for midgets.

      1. Speaking as a midget who needs a step stool in the kitchen so she can reach top shelves …….
        Oh no they're not!!!

  38. 10 minutes ago
    Bull killed and people injured in A31 crash

    A bull has died and several people have been injured in a crash on a main route through Dorset.

    The crash, involving a lorry, a car and the bull, happened on the A31 near to the Sturminster Marshall junction, shortly after 01:00 BST.

    Dorset Police said a number of people were taken to hospital for treatment to injuries not described as serious.

    The road was closed in both directions between the Roundhouse Roundabout with the A350 and the Townsend Roundabout with the A35 near Bere Regis, until about 06:30. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce81e3dyd86o

    Now, what am I thinking?

    What ran through your mind after reading the article?

      1. Could be, or possibly the girls in the adjoining field, and the fence not good……..spring is in the air and all that…..

    2. Bull didn’t deserve to die like that

      Esit. I assumed the bull was in the lorry, being transported. Now i realise “never assume”.

    3. Bull didn’t deserve to die like that

      Esit. I assumed the bull was in the lorry, being transported. Now i realise “never assume”.

  41. 407129+ up ticks,

    Could the decent indigenous peoples really get that lucky.

    Dt,

    Yvette Cooper ‘on resignation watch’ after spending row with Reeves
    PM steps in to end tense stand-off as Home Office budget negotiations go down to the wire

    Yvette Cooper’s rows with the Treasury over spending have been so heated that officials fear she will resign…

    1. Spare a thought for Ed Balls.

      He might have to have the harridan at home all day!

      3. Surely his hands are full coping with all the asylum seekers they have given a home to….

    3. She wants more money to continue paying the gimmigrants. At eevery turn, the state is having to shore up the leak it has created in holing the ship of state. Stop gimmigration. Deport foreigners. Stop paying them welfare. Scrap net zero. That's why the WFA was created to mitigate it. Stop importing people so wages rise and there's less competition for jobs, that'd scrap the need for continual rigging of the min wage.

      At every turn, big fat state is adding to costs, waste, legislation and regulation to bodge solutions to problems it's policies have caused.

    1. muslim must be erased from his country. It's wrong that animals are abused to satisfy this barbaric and savage, utterly unwelcome nonsense.

    1. This has to be American. Glyphosate is banned in the UK and Europe for food crops.

      1. Glyphosate is not currently banned in the UK, but its approval is set to expire in December 2025. The UK government has extended the approval of glyphosate to allow for a renewal assessment to be completed. Many councils have banned the use of glyphosate, particularly in public spaces like parks and roadways, due to concerns about its environmental impact and potential health risks.

        Elaboration:

        Current Status: Glyphosate is a widely used herbicide approved for use in the UK.

        Renewal Process: The UK is currently assessing the renewal of glyphosate's approval.
        Expiry Date: The current approval for glyphosate is set to expire in December 2025, following an extension.
        Local Bans: Many local councils in the UK have implemented bans on glyphosate, often choosing to use chemical-free alternatives or allowing weeds to grow.
        Environmental Concerns: These bans are often driven by concerns about the impact of glyphosate on biodiversity, non-target plants, pollinators, and soil quality.
        Health Concerns: Some councils also cite concerns about the potential health risks associated with glyphosate exposure, though this remains a subject of ongoing scientific debate.
        Alternatives: Councils are exploring alternative weed control methods, including thermo-electric treatment, that are safer and more environmentally friendly

        Some towns have banned it.

        Google AI.

        1. Hmmm. I double checked and it seems you are right. But it makes little sense for councils to ban it on weeds and then allow it to be used on food. Still as an avid user in the past, it really is a great weed killer. Even killed off a weed tree in the back garden with it.

          1. It was effective.

            I now use white vinegar, fairy liquid or similar and salt. Kills all the weeds and grass between my cobbles.

            It's also pet safe.

          2. I use white vinegar to descale kettles. A great method, unless one forgets to rinse out the kettle…

          3. I use white vinegar to descale kettles. A great method, unless one forgets to rinse out the kettle…

    2. Contrary Miss would like to point out some additional facts.
      1. People live longer even when suffering chronic ailments.
      . Average life span in 1925 was late 50s. Now it's around 80. That's an extra 20 years in which to crumble.
      Many – not just the mentally infirm – were invisible because they were shut away in institutions
      2. Granny's mass produced food (Home and Colonial, anyone?) contained many ingredients – particularly
      preservatives and dyes – that are now banned. During the C19 food adulteration was rife. I'm not saying
      . that the current preserving and colouring ingredients will prove to be any better; I certainly think many
      . living longer and being healthier than their grandparents were at the same age owes more to clean water
      . and improved medical care than changed methods of making and preserving food.

  44. Time for ID cards

    SIR – The introduction of ID cards (report, June 7) is long overdue. They will help to curb illegal migration and aid the rooting out of illegal immigrants claiming benefits. They will help police in their hunt for criminals and protect businesses against charges of employing illegal immigrants. Landlords will also gain similar safeguards.

    It is utter nonsense for opponents to suggest that such cards will erode civil liberties. Indeed, they will help to protect them.

    Robin Nonhebel
    Swanage, Dorset

    It will not help curb illegal immigration. The boat people will be given ID cards as with everything else. Those that don't get them will just buy forged documents.

    2. Given that the boat people have already disposed of all clues to their identity when they arrive at Dover, what will be on their newly minted ID cards? Mickey Mohammad Mouse from Calais?

    3. Unless ID Cards are based on authenticated data they do nothing. They work for the genuine indigenous population
      who have a registered birthplace and identity which can be verified, but how do you enroll individuals who have destroyed their past? What is the "starting point" for such individuals? The technology of creating databases and physical ID Cards is the easy part, it is population of that database with useable and authenticated identities where the difficulty lies. The authorities cannot even define what they are trying to do and how they would do that.

    4. "I couldn't get a job in a cannabis factory because I didn't have an ID card."

    5. BTL Comment:-
      1 hr ago
      Regards ID cards and the claims they will be forged.
      Will they HAVE to be forged?
      Given the current and unchecked infiltration of benefits offices, National Insurance and other similar bodies, including the Home Office and Immigration Services, by those willing to assist fraudulent activities, I suspect there will be little need to.

    6. It will do no such thing. What it will do is curb the freedom of the indigenous.

    7. Legal immigrants have had Biometric Residents Permits (ID Card) from the days we were all going to get one. From the new year they are online, Mrs Pea has had one since her arrival in 2008. Employers and landlords are obliged to check immigration status when dealing with the dusky. They will not make one iota of difference to illegals or health tourists.

    8. Yes, there were two utterly stupid letters in today’s Terriblegraph and this was one of them…

  45. Are you surprised, I'm not.

    Greta Thunberg and 'freedom flotilla' activists 'REFUSED to watch footage of October 7 atrocities' ahead of their deportation – as the glum-looking Swede is pictured being kicked out of Israel

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14796767/Greta-Thunberg-freedom-flotilla-activists-REFUSE-watch-footage-October-7-atrocities-ahead-deportation-Israel-says-Swedes-Instagram-activism-feeding-ego-not-Gaza.html

    They should have been locked in the room with the tapes on full volume running 24/7.

    1. The Doom Goblin getting the full 'Clockwork Orange' treatment would be a boon to society.

    2. The Israelis should fully publicise the fact that Thunberg and the rest refused to watch the footage.

  46. It seems construction is under way again. The site needs to be mega-occupied. Peaceful resistance. Why are we so reluctant? We haven't suffered enough aggro yet en masse in our comfortable lives.

    1. Thanks ‘mum…I can see conflicting reports online, will do some digging (not for the actual mosque you understand) to try to find out.

        1. Sorry ‘mum…looks like that Patrick Chrystys petition may have been taken down, no reason I can see as yet.

  47. When they land they have the right to decline to be interviewed. They can say whatever they like and it will be accepted.

    No further checks are undertaken.

    1. And in order to do that they will be provided with an interpreter at our expense.

  48. Moral cowards and bigots. About the best you can expect from the anti-Semites.

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  52. The local newspaper Kronen Zeitung stated that the shooter appears to be a student who reportedly took his own life after the incident.

  53. Morning everyone. In response to Elsie’s request last night I am happy to report that Winston seems more settled. He regularly lies on his back to have his tummy tickled. He is not as manic when I get back after leaving him but runs off with the remains of his huge bone and dashes round the garden with it. I only hope my being in France for the weekend doesn’t upset everything. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/34cf85c939cb9845c4f056e0a006aa988a1320d3172a1a8fdd7672e36acfbdae.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0d729b7f727e431231329272a4826a26f3250dcf1ff46bb8e895a0cd82d6ee79.jpg

  56. Although I posted a story from the Telegraph about the rioting in N. Ireland. I see someone has posted a video about it down below, So I'm posting this to correct misconceptions about what is going on in California. Not a protest but sedition on the part of the rioters and governor Newsome. I hope people find it instructive because the same pattern is happening here, as yet without the violence.

    LA Riots Are AN INVASION, Men Wave Mexican Flags, Trump Says INSURRECTION, Democrats DEFEND Far Left
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAcN1SOl6zQ

    1. BTL:
      What's Up
      3 hours ago
      If French had made a similar video mocking the civilian casualties in Gaza, her head might not still be attached to her body. At the very least she would be getting a visit from the police for being grossly offensive towards "certain ethnic and religious groups" (in the words of Prevent). It is a mark of our two-tier morality that she just gets a ticking off.

    2. This morning I glanced at my old copy of The Jackal, and after a few moments I was instantly reminded of the effectiveness of Mr Forsyth's mixture of fact & fiction. (1971 hardback, but not the first edition). Yes, I found myself wondering if the PTB might have kept a blood sample which could now be used for a DNA test, then I remembered that the book was based on fictional events.

    3. We are losing a few stalwarts. Peter (actually Miles Henry) Easterby died on Monday aged 95. He was the first trainer to achieve 1000 winners over jumps and on the flat. Night nurse, Sea Pigeon, Alveston to name but a few high profile winners. RIP.

      1. Gosh that takes me back – at University we all did quite well betting on 'Pigeon' with Jonjo 'up'……..

        1. Not only was he a superb national hunt horse, he won the Ebor on the flat with Jonjo.

          1. I think it was the Champion Hurdle in 1979, 1980? It was probably the last time I bet on the gee-gees!

  62. Another Cameron initiative. "HS2, Holocaust memorial, what's the difference, George? It'll have my name on it, won't it?"

    Why the wrong memorial will water down the Holocaust

    Politicians, frightened of being labelled anti-Semitic, have supported this great big project without thinking about it

    Charles Moore • 9th June 2025, 6:35pm BST

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    On Wednesday, the Holocaust Memorial Bill returns to the House of Lords. What a waste of energy over seven and more years this project has been. The motives are good. Unfortunately, the idea is not. In the great battle against growing anti-Semitism in our society, precious weapons are being mistargeted.

    There are strong second-order objections to the memorial and its accompanying "learning centre". They include the vast cost, over £200 million; the lack of room in Victoria Tower Gardens and the loss of green space; the security risk at the heart of government and Parliament which the police and parliamentary authorities increasingly fail to control; and the fact that the gardens will soon be overcrowded by the overspill for the coming 30-year project to restore the fabric of the Houses of Parliament next door.

    There will be parliamentary amendments tomorrow to address these last two points. Most of the Bill's opponents, many of whom are Jewish, do want a memorial, but a much smaller and more beautiful one. The present design is a grandiose hand-me-down, by the somewhat discredited architect David Adjaye, already used elsewhere.

    Opponents also do not want the learning centre. Tristram Hunt, the distinguished director of the V&A, thinks it could be much better managed at the Imperial War Museum.

    The key objection relates to what is really being commemorated. If you track the history of Holocaust Memorial Day since it was instituted a quarter of a century ago, you will find increasing pressure to water down the concept. There have been several occasions – ITV's Good Morning Britain this year, for example – in which coverage has entirely failed to mention the Jews at all, let alone the fact that the Holocaust killed six million of them.

    People such as the former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, unfailingly hostile to Israel and previously friendly to murderous Hamas, have thus found it possible to take part in Holocaust Memorial Day without having to confront the grim truth of history.

    Over time, the uniqueness of the Jewish experience thus slips away. A process begins in which the word "Holocaust" is taken to stand for any persecution of any group by any other group. From there, it is a short step to suggesting, as pro-Gaza mobs always do, that Israel itself is committing genocide against Palestinians.

    This is not an isolated outbreak of a few fanatics, but a deliberate plan to strip the Jewish state – and all Jews – of their moral authority. The ultimate aim is to preach the equation "Jews = Israel = Nazis". This libel is so widespread as to have become one of the main tropes of anti-Semitism.

    The danger is that the wrong sort of commemoration will facilitate this. Delegations from anti-Israel countries and "humanitarian" organisations emerging from Parliament will stroll into Victoria Tower Gardens, pose outside the Holocaust Memorial and deliver their piece to camera about alleged war crimes, starvation of children etc. You can just imagine the ineffable Greta Thunberg doing exactly that.

    Sad to say, both main political parties are putting on whips to get the memorial Bill through Parliament. This suggests an underlying uncertainty about the rightness of their cause. Traditionally, votes on matters of conscience are not whipped. Surely Holocaust commemoration is a classic conscience issue in which party considerations have no place.

    I fear that establishment politicians, frightened of being labelled anti-Semitic, have supported this great big project without thinking about it. Yet thought is exactly what is needed to correct the errors of Holocaust education today.

    By the way, there exists a splendid role model for commemoration in, of all places, Poland. The POLIN museum in Warsaw movingly and expertly relates its country's part of the full story we all need to know – how Jews lived there for a thousand years and how, in the end, and most horribly, they died.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/09/left-holocaust-memorial-trust

    1. Any memorial should have been built by about 1950.
      80 years later is virtue signalling at the taxpayers' expense.

      1. If we build a Holocaust memorial, in two generations' time, children will be being taught that Britain was responsible for it.

  63. Another Cameron initiative. "HS2, Holocaust memorial, what's the difference, George? It'll have my name on it, won't it?"

    Why the wrong memorial will water down the Holocaust

    Politicians, frightened of being labelled anti-Semitic, have supported this great big project without thinking about it

    Charles Moore • 9th June 2025, 6:35pm BST

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ccb668cf3c3f07b8aee024b25e409c7edcbe66750c3082bbaf92f117ad0bf7e.jpg
    On Wednesday, the Holocaust Memorial Bill returns to the House of Lords. What a waste of energy over seven and more years this project has been. The motives are good. Unfortunately, the idea is not. In the great battle against growing anti-Semitism in our society, precious weapons are being mistargeted.

    There are strong second-order objections to the memorial and its accompanying "learning centre". They include the vast cost, over £200 million; the lack of room in Victoria Tower Gardens and the loss of green space; the security risk at the heart of government and Parliament which the police and parliamentary authorities increasingly fail to control; and the fact that the gardens will soon be overcrowded by the overspill for the coming 30-year project to restore the fabric of the Houses of Parliament next door.

    There will be parliamentary amendments tomorrow to address these last two points. Most of the Bill's opponents, many of whom are Jewish, do want a memorial, but a much smaller and more beautiful one. The present design is a grandiose hand-me-down, by the somewhat discredited architect David Adjaye, already used elsewhere.

    Opponents also do not want the learning centre. Tristram Hunt, the distinguished director of the V&A, thinks it could be much better managed at the Imperial War Museum.

    The key objection relates to what is really being commemorated. If you track the history of Holocaust Memorial Day since it was instituted a quarter of a century ago, you will find increasing pressure to water down the concept. There have been several occasions – ITV's Good Morning Britain this year, for example – in which coverage has entirely failed to mention the Jews at all, let alone the fact that the Holocaust killed six million of them.

    People such as the former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, unfailingly hostile to Israel and previously friendly to murderous Hamas, have thus found it possible to take part in Holocaust Memorial Day without having to confront the grim truth of history.

    Over time, the uniqueness of the Jewish experience thus slips away. A process begins in which the word "Holocaust" is taken to stand for any persecution of any group by any other group. From there, it is a short step to suggesting, as pro-Gaza mobs always do, that Israel itself is committing genocide against Palestinians.

    This is not an isolated outbreak of a few fanatics, but a deliberate plan to strip the Jewish state – and all Jews – of their moral authority. The ultimate aim is to preach the equation "Jews = Israel = Nazis". This libel is so widespread as to have become one of the main tropes of anti-Semitism.

    The danger is that the wrong sort of commemoration will facilitate this. Delegations from anti-Israel countries and "humanitarian" organisations emerging from Parliament will stroll into Victoria Tower Gardens, pose outside the Holocaust Memorial and deliver their piece to camera about alleged war crimes, starvation of children etc. You can just imagine the ineffable Greta Thunberg doing exactly that.

    Sad to say, both main political parties are putting on whips to get the memorial Bill through Parliament. This suggests an underlying uncertainty about the rightness of their cause. Traditionally, votes on matters of conscience are not whipped. Surely Holocaust commemoration is a classic conscience issue in which party considerations have no place.

    I fear that establishment politicians, frightened of being labelled anti-Semitic, have supported this great big project without thinking about it. Yet thought is exactly what is needed to correct the errors of Holocaust education today.

    By the way, there exists a splendid role model for commemoration in, of all places, Poland. The POLIN museum in Warsaw movingly and expertly relates its country's part of the full story we all need to know – how Jews lived there for a thousand years and how, in the end, and most horribly, they died.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/09/left-holocaust-memorial-trust

    1. Plant more trees and stop building on green fields. That’s more effective and billions cheaper.

  65. Greta's blind eye to murder

    Thunberg's refusal to watch footage of October 7 pogrom is all you need to know

    Jake Wallis Simons • 10th June 2025 10:02am

    The Israelis know how to deport people. If this had been Britain, Greta Thunberg would be sitting in an asylum hotel right now, using a taxpayer-funded mobile phone, working as a Deliveroo driver and gearing up for 20 years of legal battles that will line the pockets of human rights lawyers.

    Good riddance, I say. My only regret is that Thunberg refused to watch the footage of October 7 at a screening provided by the Israeli authorities before she was sent back where she came from. Such are the reports, anyway. In an episode rich with irony, this was the turkey in the challah sandwich (provided to the activist by Israeli commandos upon arrival).

    First there was the voyage itself, which, as the Telegraph reveals, was organised by Zaher Birawi, who has been described in Parliament as having links with Hamas. Says it all, doesn't it?

    Intentionally or not, some of the loudest defenders of human rights turn out to be doing the bidding of Hamas. Of course, if Thunberg had made it to Gaza, the aid would likely have been seized by Hamas and sold to pay their jihadis, when the Israelis are providing food for free. In terms of irony, you can't get much better than that.

    Or so we thought. When the so-called "selfie yacht" was picked up by the Israeli navy – which might have had more important things to do, you'd have thought – in what has been dubbed the "softest military operation in history" – they have range, the Israelis, I'll give them that – it was found to contain less than one truckful of aid. Over the last 18 months, the genocidal Israelis have facilitated an influx of more than 92,000 trucks into the Strip. The irony!

    Again, this told us everything we needed to know. But then we were hit by a further one-two of irony that was almost crippling: the activists were found to have consumed quite a lot of the aid on their voyage, according to Israeli authorities, but were still rather peckish.

    Hence that famous picture of Thunberg in her froggy sunhat gratefully receiving a kosher sandwich from a soldier, several years younger than her, who was doing something honourable with his life. What's Hebrew for thank you? Toda raba.

    Enough! Enough! I'm in danger of hyperventilating over here. Amid malicious allegations of starvation in Gaza, a Swedish child accepts a snack from a supposed genocidaire after apparently scoffing much of the ineffectual aid herself, which would only have supported jihadism anyway, but was good for the selfies. It is all painfully 2025.

    But there was more: in a selfie video apparently recorded some time beforehand, in which she was seen culturally appropriating a Palestinian keffiyeh – I bet she'd never dream of wearing a sombrero – Thunberg claimed to have been "kidnapped" by the "Israeli occupational forces". How she kept a straight face, knowing that the Israeli hostages had been languishing in the jihadi dungeons underground for more than a year-and-a-half, one can only guess.

    In a further layer of the good stuff, her call for followers to pressure the Swedish government to free her from Israeli "captivity" provoked so many calls to the emergency hotlines to help Swedes abroad that those truly in need of assistance were unable to get it. But who cares? The selfies won't share themselves, after all.

    There was a glimmer of good sense when Israel offered to provide some education to the activist, who had famously abandoned her free schooling at the age of 15. You care so much about suffering? Come and watch what happened on October 7. Be educated. But now we hear that she refused to do so. Closing her eyes to the reality of what caused this war in the first place, and what continues to perpetuate it today? Priceless.

    It was typical of the global effort to erase the casus belli of this conflict and rewrite history to make the victims the aggressors, the victims of attempted genocide the perpetrators of the same crime, the people who had their babies murdered the true baby killers. To be fair to Thunberg, she's hardly the only person at it.

    This week, our most distinguished foreign correspondent, Jeremy Bowen, produced a major piece of journalism – journalism? – which was criticised by the Board of Deputies as containing "unacceptable bias", as it "seemed not to consider the Hamas war crimes which started and sustain this conflict," not to mention the gratuitous Holocaust references. For shame.

    If we are facing a monstrous NGO-media-digital industrial complex of propaganda, in which Bowen commands the broadcast arm, Thunberg is the brigadier general of its activist wing. In fact, her transition – may I use that word? – from climate campaigner to Gaza obsessive has been as revealing as it is opportunistic.

    The juncture between the two identities was quite amusing: for a while, she was chanting "no climate justice on occupied land", as if the top priority for Hamas was a net zero policy. (Not that Gaza has been "occupied" since 2005, but you know what she means.) Then she simply jettisoned the climate guff, which was feeling rather dated, and went full keffiyeh. Identified as a Gaza campaigner, I suppose.

    Let's stop beating around the selfie yacht. It was never truly about the climate, any more than it was truly about the conflict in the Middle East. Closing her eyes to the October 7 footage crystallised the sustaining principle of Greta Thunberg: she is absorbed in a world of her own. It is a world that began with hating her teachers; went on to hating the establishment; and has ended with hating the Jews and the West, powered by endless selfies.

    This spectacular teenage tantrum is most often indulged by people like Gary Lineker, like Dawn French, like Jeremy Bowen, like Thunberg herself, who all supposedly left their teenage years behind a long time ago.

    While Israel's youngsters were murdered at the Nova festival and are putting their lives on the line daily for their country, enduring unbelievable quantities of hatred and bigotry around the world, their greatest critics have never grown up themselves. That's the final irony.

    https://nttl.blog/tuesday-10-june-britains-dysfunctional-finances-are-stifling-aspiration-and-opportunity

  66. Topped up the car with 1p cheaper fuel. Realised that Fakenham – pop about 14,000 – has only two filling stations. No wonder there is usually a queue.

    Cloudy – one senses rain though none is forecast. Strong north wind. 19ºC – but doesn't feel it…

      1. My nearest on is the Post Office in the next village, then there's one 15 miles away and another 40 miles

    2. One of the advantages of a car based society is that there are plenty of filling stations. Even though I am "out in the sticks" or the boonies as we call it, there are two of them within a couple of miles. Car has as a longish range, so I try to fill at Costco (not that close) when I go there as they are the cheapest around.

      p.s. we also have multiple local full service banks…

  67. MSN translation services:
    Mayor Elke Kahr described the events as a “terrible tragedy.”

    If shooter was Mohammad then the Mayor would have been "shocked.. shocked I tell you"..
    A "Tragedy" suggests a white boy that was teased or bullied on social media three or more times.

  68. Michael Deacon

    Columnist
    10 June 2025 6:00am BST

    Diane Abbott is pushing the Left’s biggest myth about immigration
    The veteran Labour MP is the latest progressive to boast that immigrants built Britain. Do they really expect voters to swallow it?

    The Labour Left were always bound to loathe Sir Keir Starmer’s recent speech about the downsides of mass immigration. All the same, one of their objections to it strikes me as somewhat peculiar. At a rally on Saturday, the veteran Labour MP Diane Abbott thundered that Sir Keir’s speech was “nonsense” – because, as she stoutly reminded her audience, “immigrants built this land”.

    Stirring stuff. I can see only one small problem.

    It’s not strictly true, is it?

    Clearly Ms Abbott disagrees. Indeed, she proudly declared that her own parents “helped to build this country”.

    As she herself acknowledged, though, they only arrived here from Jamaica in the 1950s. What precisely does Ms Abbott think Britain looked like, before her parents’ ship pulled in? A barren, primitive, uncivilised wilderness, whose humble natives dwelt in bushes and subsisted on nettles and raw shrew? Did her parents look around, sigh, and then patiently set about erecting St Paul’s Cathedral and Blenheim Palace? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/10/diane-abbott-claims-immigrants-built-britain/

    richard packer
    2 min ago
    If Diane was to open her eyes and do some homework she would see that the decline of the uk is inextricably linked to the establishment of the welfare state and resulting low skill immigration.

    Time to go
    10 min ago
    Three of life’s big mysteries:

    – how did Dianne Abbott get a degree?

    – how is it anyone votes for her?

    – and how does she have the will and the ability to leave her house and show her face?

      1. That's the girl that Jeremy Corbyn went camping with when she was 25 years old. Here is her account of the romantic trip::

        "In the summer of 1979 we went on a camping holiday in the south of France. We travelled by motorbike and, Jeremy being Jeremy, it was a socialist motorbike, an East German model. It broke down regularly on our trip south, which I found rather irritating, but lovingly repairing his motorbike by the side of the road was Jeremy’s happy place. When we reached the campsite I perked up. As well as enjoying the French countryside, I was looking forward to some delicious Gallic cuisine. I was horrified when Jeremy unpacked his motorbike saddlebags to reveal a week’s supply of instant macaroni and other processed foods. After much discussion back and forth, I was able to argue for at least one restaurant lunch.

        2. It wasn't going to last, was it – but to be fair, he does sound like the world's most irritating boyfriend!

          1. The "Playmobile" hair stye appears to be a Labour speciality.
            How's the weather in Frogland?

          2. Scorchio.
            It’s a bit more humane now at 7pm – G&Ts and pampleousse rosé to hand

      3. She has a history degree? Black history (I e fantasy) one assumes. She certainly doesn’t know much about UK history.

    2. The UK has been built by a range of people over the years: Vikings, Romans, French but primarily Britons. White folk.

      The UK has declined economically, socially, culturally since massive unwanted, uncontrolled gimmigration was forced on this country. So much simply doesn't work solely because big fat state abused society so in it's desperation to force a permanent 'client state' on us.

    4. Michael Deacon is developing an enjoyable edge to his column.
      Still very funny, but definitely verbal stilettos between the ribs.

  69. Six bags of soil filled from the verge, (see previous posts over the past few years) and, with the assistance of Graduate Son carted up to where they are needed and one mug of tea drank whilst recovering.

    Now heading back up the "garden".

    1. That's a good source of free soil. Plus you help to keep the roads and ditches clear by doing it. Double bubble !

  70. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14797233/Riot-ballymena-houses-Romanian-teens-attempted-rape.html

    I understand the sentiment. They're right to be angry. However, all this violence does is give the state ever more justification for oppression, suppression and violence. Starmer, like Chancellor Sutler in V for Vendetta is unable to do anything but use force, because it's all he has ever applied. The gimmigrant violence and abuse won't be stopped (the Left endorse it), the Dover invasion will continue – because the hard Left support it – and any suggestion of opposition will be met with lethal force from now on.

    The Left are intolerant, bigoted, vicious, spiteful, thoroughly evil creatures who want to destroy this country.

      1. Anyone got a picture of Shock-Ed (or would that be an image taken during a blackout?)

  73. 'Do the minister drive themselves or is they chauffeured?'

    Put that bottle down now !

  74. Jos
    2h
    A Labour governmental paying £30 billion to actively damage British interests. Beyond madness.

    RodPudney
    2h
    During Brexit, Parliament was reckoned to be supreme and it wasn't possible to do anything without getting approval in the Commons, but Starmer can bung Mauritius billions to take UK territory without debate. Any explanation for the different approach apart from parliamentary scrutiny was meant to frustrate Brexit?

    4. Just watching Saturday Kitchen on catch up and for the first time on a cookery show that i have seen they are cooking with Trombetti Sauteed in butter with lemon juice and basil.

      He called it a Trombecino.

  77. ‘We must stop this!’ Tories unveil bill to block Keir Starmer’s £30bn Chagos surrender
    The Conservatives have just published a new bill that would block the Prime Minister's hand over of the islands to Mauritius.

    The legislation will specify that the Chagos islands fall under British sovereignty, which cannot be negotiated away without parliamentary approval.

    You just watch Starmer & Hermer stopped this in its tracks.

    2. The £30 billion would also share out to £7,030,700 per person of the population of 4,267.

  78. ‘We must stop this!’ Tories unveil bill to block Keir Starmer’s £30bn Chagos surrender
    The Conservatives have just published a new bill that would block the Prime Minister's hand over of the islands to Mauritius.

    The legislation will specify that the Chagos islands fall under British sovereignty, which cannot be negotiated away without parliamentary approval.

    You just watch Starmer & Hermer stop this in its tracks.

  80. Labour to Sanction Two Israeli Ministers Today

    Towards the end of May Labour suspended trade negotiations with Israel over its military operations in Gaza.Tonight it is going further…

    Guido hears Israel’s National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir and Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich are due to be sanctioned by the UK government today. A 7 p.m. oral statement in the Commons from the FCDO will confirm as much…

    The statement is penned in to “challenge those inciting hate and protecting the viability of a two state solution.” Labour has in recent weeks taken joint action with Canada and France in launching on Israel while officials briefed they were considering sanctions on ministers. Going further now…

    June 10 2025 @ 12:59

    daniel Elan
    1h
    Sanctions on any Chinese ministers? No, thought not…

    The Lotus Eater
    43m
    Great. Then the USA can sanction Richard Hermer for imprisoning Lucy Connolly.

    Syl.
    27m
    Any sanctions in the offing on the terrorists? Proving they can gaslight that Labour have taken the A-Semites out of Labour but you can't take the A-Semitism out of Labour.
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    2. Make employing people more expensive and difficult ….
      H'mmm … total mystery to me.

    3. What did the oaf reeves expect? She rigged the price of Labour then made it more expensive. The result was always going to be getting rid of people.

      The entire state edifice is utterly ignorant and refuses to learn.

    4. "Capitalism has failed. It is only the state that can give people a living wage."

  83. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/06/10/rachel-reeves-debt-crisis-budget-tool/

    The calculator isn't especially helpful as it doesn't let me close multiple departments – culture and media, children and families, education, welfare, cabinet office, defra, obr (nor dozens of other quangos), foreign aid, remove benefits from immigrants or apply a flat tax.

    Like the chancellor, it's all edge fiddling with no real changes. The tax burden will not budge above 30%. That's the limit people pay before we head well over the laffer curve. The state must simply be made to cut spending.

  84. Graz killer.
    We are told he was a 22 year old ex-pupil. Presumably the authorities know his name.

    Are they waiting until next of kin have been informed before telling us, or is he similar to the February stabber in southern Austria and they are getting ready for protests?

      2. Here's five key details we learned:
        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14797183/austria-school-graz-shooting-live-updates.html

        The gunman who carried out the school shooting was a 21-year-old local man who was a former pupil at the school but didn't finish his studies
        Two weapons, described as long and short guns, were found at the school after the man killed himself inside a toilet. Police said they would investigate how the weapons became legally owned
        Six women and three men were killed earlier after the gunman opened fire at around 10am this morning and 12 people remain seriously injured
        Chancellor Stocker confirmed Austria will hold three days of national mourning with no events scheduled to take place following what he said was a 'dark day' for the nation
        The school will remain closed with staff and pupils to be offered psychological help in the wake of the shooting

        Interior minister Gerhard Karner has confirmed the suspected gunman was a former pupil who didn't finish his studies at the school.

        He added any other information about the 21-year-old is speculation and that it was the responsibility of state officials to gather background information on him.

  86. Perhaps Starmer could arrange a visit to Broadcasting house with his three friends and Zelensky. He could show him the beautiful carvings. There are panels over the entrance showing left-wing paedos molesting a young boy and a statue of an old man with another naked child. The pervert who carved them. Eric Gill, (and was paid millions by the BBC) had raped his sisters, his own daughters and even his dog. Some things never change.
    https://www.orbem.co.uk/bh32/images/e_sculpture_1.jpg
    https://www.orbem.co.uk/bh32/images/e_prospero_ariel.jpg
    https://scontent-cdg4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/472165148_10162896115294954_736027061849159457_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s600x600_tt6&_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=yWmS0hpiLnUQ7kNvwHYM6nf&_nc_oc=AdmfCrQ7xkUj-wGl0XGc9h62rXfosqg1Owi-T9M-PF1LpNPcWbBaYiuktPsUpdK7elrTIwcjDfXERE6F-OwRrEha&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent-cdg4-1.xx&_nc_gid=L72RRPed44hVgRHgISAyyQ&oh=00_AfPJMqAQJzcz_jfDmShL9r5twIE7hiac5xz8bip7L2vyHw&oe=684E21FB

  87. 407129+ up ticks,

    Dt,
    Net migration set to plummet to pre-Brexit levels
    Number of incoming migrants could fall to a quarter of record peak in 2023, chief immigration adviser claims

    Which in real terms means far,far, to many.

    "Marander" blair, formed the destruction team initially,
    prior to the tory / lib dem / supporter / voters treacherous input, in destroying the United Kingdom
    the killing in earnest of white indigenous will I believe begin in our children's children's era along the lines of the mau, mau, / south Africa.

    1. Migration was well under way pre-Blair. Enoch's speech was made in 1968, and good swaths of the greater Birmingham/Wolverhampton area were already awash in immigrants by then. The old jokes about high levels of Kit-E-Kat sales locally date from years before that.

      Blair "industrialized' the whole process for political purposes – "Bring in plenty of 3rd world immigrants and they will vote Labour for life", was the theory. The handover also triggered changes to British Passports which now included (or not ) right of abode in Britain.

  88. Q. What's the opposite of Pearl Harbour (as in, It's a bit…)?
    A. Here! Roquebrune – sur – Argens. 88F and the Hg is still rising.
    Scorchio

    2. Howdy, Stormy. Don't recall having seen anything from you for a while. All good, I hope?

      1. Hi Obers. I confess to being a bit neglectful over the past couple of months.
        All is well though. I’m in yer south of France atm but will pick back up when I’m back in Blighty.

  89. Thunberg Emits 300 Kilograms of CO2 on Israel Deportation Flight

    Greta Thunberg has recently landed in Paris CDG after being carted from the port at Ashdod to Tel-Aviv. This follows the sad flop of Thunderberg 2’s mission to break the Israeli sea blockade…

    Thunberg refused to watch videos of the 7 October atrocities and was packed onto a commercial flight back to Paris. Flight, you say?

    Guido had a look at the flight on which Greta was put – a Boeing 787-800. Which churns out 146.7 grams of CO2 per seat per mile…

    From Ben Gurion to Charles de Gaulle airports you’re looking at over four hours in the air and 2043.3 miles travelled. That is 300 kilograms of toxic material emitted by Thunberg alone on the one flight back…

    Greta immediately gave a press conference on her landing in France to claim she had been “kidnapped.” Will anyone think of the planet?

    June 10 2025 @ 14:42

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b1314786a9132358dc3e4c31de6414712688f58d2ca018b87e13ed6ad89bd7bf.png
    Colin Kay
    42m
    Unfortunately "kidnapped " by the lDF means she was soon free, if it had been Hamas we may never of heard of her again, sh1t.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9808a7cf2861db07c1024b0b0b5522701e3e6de1b6b56a806d663d7179887087.png

    1. He just couldn't bring himself to slag off his beloved EU-Lovin Labour party though.. could he.

  91. UN Human Rights Council Slams Starmer’s Chagos Surrender

    A group of “experts” commissioned by the United Nations Human Rights Council has attacked the Chagos surrender deal as it is agreed between the UK and Mauritius.

    The “experts,” who are made up of three UN special rapporteurs and a member of the “Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent,” say the deal “fails to protect the rights of the Chagossian people, including their right to return to Diego Garcia, effective remedy and reparations and their cultural rights.” Chagossians have always been against the deal due to continued persecution from Mauritius…

    Apart from complaining about the US base on Diego Garcia the UN group says “the agreement appears to be at variance with the Chagossians’ right to return” and “contains no provisions providing for the full panoply of the right to adequate and effective reparations.” They aren’t satisfied…

    “In light of these significant concerns, we call for the ratification of the agreement to be suspended and for a new agreement to be negotiated that fully guarantees the rights of the Chagossian people to return to all islands of the Chagos Archipelago, including Diego Garcia. This includes their right to adequate and effective remedy and reparations, including restitution, satisfaction, and guarantees of non-repetition, as well as their cultural rights.”

    The “experts” say they are in touch with the United Kingdom and Mauritius regarding these issues. After giving the woke UN what it wanted and betraying Chagossians in the process, Starmer has still not fed the beast to fullness…

  93. Afternoon all! Getting bogged down here with minutes of meetings, emails and other stuff…….. sun's finally come out now so I might go outside……

  94. Graz shooter is partly named.

    The suspected shooter was identified as a 21-year-old Austrian citizen named Artur A.[10] from Graz-Umgebung District,[9] who formerly attended the BORG, but did not graduate.[6][11] Part of the shooting took place in his former classroom. [12] He legally owned both firearms used in the shooting and had a firearms licence. Since the minimum age to get a firearm licence in Austria is 21, it was confirmed that he had requested it and then received it shortly before the attack.[9][12] He also was not known to police before the attack.

    2. That's enough of an excuse for our canadian government to focus on confiscating legally owned firearms while continuing to ignore the illegal handguns smuggled in from the USA.

    1. Sorry but I’m not signing this petition for the simple reason that it leaves us open to facial recognition technology which, I sure, HMG will gleefully introduce.

  96. Devon farmer Mark Weekes says that Rachel Reeves' farm tax means that his son would face a bill of more than £1million in the event of his death. His son could be the last of his family to be able to operate his land in the same way after five generations.

    I strongly suggest you hang in there.. wake up.. open your eyes.. pay attention.. then do what ever you can to get Starmer's rabble out of office in 2029. Tell yer mates & neighbours not to waste their votes with the Wet Tories & Liberals. Not even sure Farage will deliver.

    1. And in the meantime get the best financial advice you can to keep as much out of Labour’s clutches as possible.

  97. Devon farmer Mark Weekes says that Rachel Reeves' farm tax means that his son would face a bill of more than £1million in the event of his death. His son could be the last of his family to be able to operate his land in the same way after five generations.

    I strongly suggest you hang in there.. wake up.. open your eyes.. pay attention.. then do what ever you can to get Starmer's rabble out of office in 2029. Tell yer mates & neighbours not to waste their votes with the Wet Tories & Liberals. Not even sure Farage will deliver.

  98. That's a thing I haven't done for a long time. Read a novel through at one sitting.

    "The Usual Desire to Kill" by Camilla Barnes (Julian Barnes is her uncle).

    For those of you who have had elderly and cantakerous parents; for those of you are ARE elderly and cantakerous parents; for those of you who spend some time in France….

    A beautifully written first novel by a woman who (as she admitted in an interview) has had to cope with elderly and cantakerous parents…..

    1. Despite having lived in France (if that's relevant) I want to put all memories of old and cantankerous parents behind me. Why be unnecessarily reminded of those difficult times?

  99. OUTRAGEOUS!!!
    BA chairman should be shot.

    British Airways criticised for using Falklands capital’s Argentinian name
    Airline’s in-flight map service labelled Stanley as ‘Puerto Argentino’
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/briefs/2025/06/10/TELEMMGLPICT000428136349_17495622784360_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqcFDMKdK5bbEj9Eb6I2GMq1jLxFWRdp288Ijb1gkK0IQ.jpeg?imwidth=1280
    Tom McArdle
    10 June 2025 2:56pm BST
    British Airways has been criticised for using the Argentinian name of the Falkland Islands’ capital on its in-flight screens.

    Port Stanley is shown as “Puerto Argentino”, with the British name in brackets underneath.

    The move by the airline has been described as “disgraceful” and “disrespectful” to soldiers who fought to liberate the islands in the South Atlantic in the Falklands War.

    British Airways said it was now reviewing the incident with the provider of its in-flight map service.

    ‘Unforgivable’
    Admiral Lord West, the former head of the Royal Navy, who won the Distinguished Service Cross during the war, told The Sun: “It’s disgraceful. The Falklands are a British overseas territory, and 99.9 per cent of islanders want to stay British.

    “We have said very clearly there will be no discussions about sovereignty. For the flag carrier airline to give Port Stanley another name is unforgivable.

    “Everyone on the Falkland Islands calls it Port Stanley. They should change it back as soon as possible. This is insulting to the population of Port Stanley.”

    A British Airways spokesman said: “We’re grateful this has been brought to our attention, and we are reviewing it with the third party supplier that provides the in-flight map service.”

    In April 1982, hundreds of Argentinian troops invaded the Falklands, forcing the vastly outnumbered garrison of just 57 Royal Marines to surrender.

    The move was seen as an act of war, and Margaret Thatcher, the prime minister, sent a task force to the South Atlantic to reclaim the islands.

    The conflict ended with the surrender of Argentine forces on June 14. More than 250 British military personnel were killed in the 74-day mission.

    Saturday marks the 43rd anniversary of Britain’s victory, but Argentina continues to claim sovereignty over the Falklands.

    James Williams
    1 hr ago
    IAG Spanish owed. Uses BA as shell/cover to fleece the British

    Robert Eadie
    1 hr ago
    British Airways is a name only. It is Spanish

  101. Wordle No. 1,452 4/6

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    Wordle 10 Jun 2025

    Hassle for Par Four?

    1. Bloody close call here.

      Wordle 1,452 6/6

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    2. You did well there – being a US site (now) it could not possibly have meant the mildly derogatory term – I actually do know the US word but only when there was nothing else left – Phew!!!

      Wordle 1,452 6/6

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      1. Phew here too.
        Wordle 1,452 6/6

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    3. Guessed my way to a par

      Wordle 1,452 4/6

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    4. Awkward but my late father was Welsh so the word was familiar if not its American meaning. Just Par.

      Wordle 1,452 4/6

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  102. Sickening…

    Sadiq Khan: King apologised for taking so long to knight me

    Mayor of London reflects on ‘humbling moment’ but critics argue gong is undeserved
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/royal-family/2025/06/10/TELEMMGLPICT000428150788_17495699328890_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVWeZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.jpeg?imwidth=1280
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2025/06/10/sadiq-khan-king-apologised-for-taking-so-long-to-knight-me/
    Sir Ian
    13 min ago
    Knighted for single-handedly destroying London. What a joke.

    Michael Cocks
    14 min ago
    What nonsense from Khan the incompetent.

      1. And the idiot King says nothing about the ruin multiculturalism has had on London? Is he such a dolt that he does not see it – or if he does see it does he not give a dam?

        1. He sees it and he approves of it.
          He's King of the Commonwealth and the more the common spend our wealth the happier he is.

        2. He doesn't see it. The only multiculties he meets have been made to have a bath.

      1. Scorned as a man who ran..
        What do you do when you're Branded, and you know you're a man?

        Chuck Connors!

        1. It’s amazing how you can remember things from more than 50 years ago but forget why you went upstairs.

    10. At least the Beatles returned their gongs!

      How many people who have been honoured can now see how worthless these honours are and will send them back as a protest?

      1. No! John Lennon returned his MBE, the others didn’t. Additionally, Ringo Starr and Paul McCartney have knighthoods and McCartney has also been made a Companion of Honour. Nevertheless you’re right about Khan receiving anything more than a P45.

  105. That's me for today. It did warm up a bit in the afternoon – though with my head in a book (see below!) I didn't notice much.

    Have a spiffing evening.

    A demain.

    1. Soon be getting a voucher for one in with the Weetabix. If you can run, jump ,kick a ball, dress up, pretend to be someone else you are bound to get one.

  107. Sadiq Khan: King apologised for taking so long to knight me
    Mayor of London reflects on ‘humbling moment’ but critics argue gong is undeserved

    Since Sir Sadiq succeeded Boris Johnson in 2016, knife crime has increased by more than 50 per cent, and violent crime has soared despite a 71 per cent increase in the portion of council tax that Londoners pay to City Hall.

    Last year, families of young people killed in the capital said the Mayor had “completely lost control” of the streets. He has also waged war on London’s drivers with the Ultra-Low Emission Zone (Ulez).

    The petition against his knighthood accused him of having “devastated the city we love so much”, citing violent crime, rising rent costs and increased public transport prices.

    “A knighthood is an honour reserved for citizens who’ve contributed significantly to their communities or professions,” it reads.

    “It’s a recognition of service that deserves the utmost respect, and as such, should not be bestowed on Sadiq Khan, who has failed to uphold his duty to our city and its inhabitants.”

    Chris Philp, the shadow home secretary, said in December that Sir Sadiq’s knighthood would see “failure… being rewarded”.

    The knighthood came days after Londoners were forced to clean up graffiti on the Underground themselves which had not been removed by Transport for London (TfL), of which Sir Sadiq is chairman.

    The group, founded by Joe Reeve, a 28-year-old Londoner, said they were “doing what Sadiq Khan can’t” by cleaning up Bakerloo Line carriages.

    It followed Robert Jenrick, the shadow justice secretary, confronting fare dodgers on the tube in a video which has been viewed millions of times on X.

    That’s about as prestigious as a Jim’ll Fix It badge

    1. I know the Irish are anecdotally thick, but did they not learn anything from Southport?

      1. 407129+up ticks,

        Evening SM,

        What I do believe currently as shown clearly in rotherham, in many cases the victims are
        the cause / perpetrators, the reverse currently of anything in the daily media inclusive of police statements.

        1. Yeah. 14 year old girls.

          We should let all the muslim rapists go and lock them up instead. Actually…that's not a bad idea. At least they would be safe.

          2. Given the antics of some of today's prison officers, I would not be so sure about that.

      2. It's always hard to believe that it will happen to you though. People don't understand that liberal democracy is over.

  109. Zia the vegan at the BBQ effect. LOL

    Why was Mohammad welcomed back so easily? What's he got over Nigel? MSN pretending nothing happened.
    Apparently Daily Mail said Zia was plotting revenge by declaring Reform Islamophobic, and as Co-Director of holding company and its naming rights would trash the party legally.

    1. Sarah Pochin speaking about the veil.
      Rupert Lowe speaking about deportations.

      Obviously Zia doesn't want Muslims mentioned at all.

      Reform is finished before it started. Someone needs to fund Tommy Robinson to start a Patriot party.

      1. Tommy isn't yr man.. watch the vid.. fast forward to 33:18. That's your leader.

  111. Farage is right we need to get those coal mines back open, we don't have to pay another country endless £ billions while being beholden to them for our energy with nuclear and renewables.
    Plus we can make steel and make GB great again
    Make the dinghy boat arrivals work 10 years down pit for their citizenship. win win

    1. Moh sent away via Amazon for a set of 6 steak knives .

      The knives arrived , sharp and nice to handle , all so called stainless steel ( made in China)

      My goodness , you should see the state of them now , rusted serrated blades .. still nice to handle , but tarnished .

      Over fifty years ago , when Moh was in the Royal Navy , his ship called into somewhere in Denmark .. he said most of the crew bought either goose down duvets or stainless steal cutlery , he purchased a set of meat carvers, solid Danish stainless steel, beautiful looking , lovely grip and sharp or sharper when the knife is sharpened , no rust !

      The Danish set is dishwasher proof , and copes , the steak knives do not like the dish washer , so the Chinese are making things that have no long time wear and tear, and they and other countries quite clearly do not have the rigid quality that European steel possesses?

      1. Chinese steel is cr*p. Wait a few years until the (Chinese) low grade reinforcing steel used in lots of West Coast USA/Canada projects starts to snap/fail.

        1. They go for price. Cut the expensive ingredient, looks the same, but doesn't perform the same.

      2. There are many grades of stainless steel, many aren't rust-free. Never put any of them in the dishwasher, it's too aggressive and will take the edge off.
        What you likely have is a low-chrome ferritic stainless (cheaper, sharper, but corrodes).

        1. What makes the stainless steel ferritic is a low level of chromium and nickel. Being ferritic, there's a rust source, and being connected to austenitic steel, an electrochemical reaction just waiting to happen when in a dishwasher.
          Never, ever, dishwash stainless knives.
          Firstborn has some fine Damask knives. Always washed by hand, and sharper than a witches tongue, so they are.

          1. I don't know. Sellers now hide origins because of the the sectarian nonsense.

            Even in China items are made to a price and standard.

      4. We have an outfit here called Cutco who do kitchen knives. Made here as well. Expensive, but lifetime warranty and lifetime free shapening servce.

        Got a set from Costco to replace our old Henckels – proper German ones, not the "international" ones made in China.

        Anyway, the main thing is the Cutco knives last much., much longer between sharpening (as in a lick with a steel) than the Henckels ever did. Plus, the boning knife looks like it would be the perfect weapon – long, very slim blade and lethally sharp.

      5. Chinese stainless steel will always be inferior. Also, you might find that the 'Danish' knives are made from Japanese steel.

        1. vw has 2 pairs of secateurs made from Japanese steel. Best secateurs we’ve ever had.

    2. Moh sent away via Amazon for a set of 6 steak knives .

      The knives arrived , sharp and nice to handle , all so called stainless steel ( made in China)

      My goodness , you should see the state of them now , rusted serrated blades .. still nice to handle , but tarnished .

      Over fifty years ago , when Moh was in the Royal Navy , his ship called into somewhere in Denmark .. he said most of the crew bought either goose down duvets or stainless steal cutlery , he purchased a set of meat carvers, solid Danish stainless steel, beautiful looking , lovely grip and sharp or sharper when the knife is sharpened , no rust !

      The Danish set is dishwasher proof , and copes , the steak knives do not like the dish washer , so the Chinese are making things that have no long time wear and tear, and they and other countries quite clearly do not have the rigid quality that European steel possesses?

  113. Starmer’s Chagos ‘surrender’ will fund tax cuts for Mauritians

    Island nation’s £30bn windfall from UK will also help it raise minimum salaries and pay off national debt

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2025/06/10/TELEMMGLPICT000425580916_17495716231100_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqW5etyqwFbqxAvI2CH4II5hCvPo1QwCxylqL8sb5rkHo.jpeg?imwidth=1280
    Sir Keir has been accused of signing a ‘feeble and pathetic’ deal Credit: Shutterstock Editorial
    Tony Diver
    Associate Political Editor

    10 June 2025 6:16pm BST
    Sir Keir Starmer’s Chagos “surrender” deal will fund tax cuts for Mauritians, it has emerged.

    The Mauritian government has said it will use almost £500 million in payments under the terms of the Chagos agreement to pay off its national debt.

    This will allow ministers to abolish income tax entirely for 81 per cent of employed Mauritians, and raise minimum salaries.

    Sir Keir has been criticised over the deal, which will cost the UK up to £30 billion over a 99-year period, including rent payments to use a joint US-UK military base on the Chagos Islands and creating a pot of development spending for Mauritius.

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    Conservative and Reform MPs have said the “surrender” of the islands, which have been owned by the UK since before Mauritius was granted independence in 1968, is unnecessary and expensive.

    The terms of the deal include rent payments of £165 million a year for the next three years for the Diego Garcia military base, which has been used for bombing runs by Britain and America in the Middle East.

    Mauritian leaders celebrated the deal as the “decolonisation” of the Chagos Islands, which lie at the centre of the Indian Ocean and are uninhabited except for military personnel.

    Navin Ramgoolam, the Mauritian prime minister, has now announced that the money paid by the UK will help Mauritius cut taxes, so that 81 per cent of people in the African island nation will not pay any income tax.

    It comes despite warnings that Britons face tax hikes in Rachel Reeves’s Budget this autumn, which is now thought to contain a black hole tens of billions of pounds large.

    The Mauritian reforms were announced in a budget speech by Mr Ramgoolam on Wednesday, when he said that the UK’s Chagos payments for the next three years would be used to help pay off the country’s national debt, which has reached 90 per cent of GDP.

    He said that to reach a long-term debt level of 60 per cent, the government would adjust “both the expenditure side and the revenue side of the budget”, and raise the minimum salary before an employee pays income tax to £1,774 a year.

    That increase, of 28 per cent, will scrap income tax entirely for 44,000 people and reduce levies on all other earners.

    “As a result of the measures I have introduced, 81 per cent of employees in our country will not pay any income tax,” he said, adding that he had also decided to cut VAT on some food products.

    After three years, British payments for the Chagos Islands will be used for a “future fund” to “create wealth for future generations,” Mr Ramgoolam said.

    Dame Priti Patel, the shadow foreign secretary, said the announcement showed that Mauritius had taken the “feeble and pathetic” Sir Keir “for a ride”.

    “The only people benefiting from Labour’s higher taxes are the people of Mauritius,” she said.

    “While causing a financial black hole in Britain, whacking up our taxes and planning further tax raids, Labour’s Chagos surrender deal means families in Mauritius will see their taxes cut at our expense.

    “This is an insult to hard-working British people who have once again been betrayed by Keir Starmer with millions more paying more in tax.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2025/06/10/TELEMMGLPICT000425560644_17495716494430_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQf0Rf_Wk3V23H2268P_XkPxc.jpeg?imwidth=680
    British Chagossians demonstrating outside the High Court last month Credit: Belinda Jiao
    Announcing the deal last month, Sir Keir claimed that the deal would have a “net cost” of £3.4 billion, with annual payments averaging £101 million a year.

    But documents later published by the Foreign Office showed the UK had agreed to pay as much as £30 billion over 99 years, with most of the payments increased in line with inflation.

    A last-minute legal challenge succeeded in delaying the signing of the deal by several hours, but was ultimately dismissed by the High Court.

    It comes as an expert panel commissioned by the UN Human Rights Council said that the deal should be suspended after complaints that it did not respect the rights of the native Chagossians.

    “We call for the ratification of the agreement to be suspended, and for a new agreement to be negotiated that fully guarantees the rights of the Chagossian people to return to all islands of the Chagos Archipelago, including Diego Garcia,” they said.

    The Government has been approached for comment.

  115. Latest Breaking News – Several Reporters have been hit by rubber bullets in LA while covering the mostly peaceful riots.
    But sources say that they will soon bounce back

    2. What does £1.3 million add to the tragic story of the murder of a young woman.

  118. Farage being repulsive with Israeli representative on GB News. What a chancer.

      1. As I said yesterday Zia Yusuf was sorry the moment he rashly left Reform because he is a Fifth Columnist and a Fifth Columnist is like a cancer which destroys from within.

        Zia realised that he had to get back into Reform asap and this is what he has done as he clearly has a mission to destroy the party.

    2. The one where she wasn't having it from him, opo (in a polite way)….I've made my mind up (sorry if I offend anyone) but I won't be voting Reform again.

    2. They cannot find a bad enough transgender, sexually deviant applicant for the job.

    4. It took 17 days from the death of Pope Francis for the new Pope to be elected. Welby resigned in November 2024, yet it appears the new Archbishop of Canterbury will not be appointed until the Autumn. Incredible.

      1. It is not just incredible. Unless there is some sort of revolution in the Anglican Church, whoever it is will not be chosen for their ability to ignite the Spirit of Man, but for some sort of materialistic/political agenda.

      3. They had better get their skates on. Our current King is quite old and suffers from cancer. And when he eventually pops his clogs they will need a new Archbishop of Canterbury to officiate in the new Coronation.

    5. It took 17 days from the death of Pope Francis for the new Pope to be elected. Welby resigned in November 2024, yet it appears the new Archbishop of Canterbury will not be appointed until the Autumn. Incredible.

    6. They can’t decide who is the wokest and most suitable to destroy the CofE completely.

    7. They can’t decide who is the wokest and most suitable to destroy the CofE completely.

        1. The black students consoling each other and other students in the blackground (sic).
          I didn't see a single black/coloured individual anywhere in the reports of the shootings

          1. Pictures or written reports, sos? Only asking as we do know by experience that if no skin colour is specified we can bet on a non-white colouration with some very short odds

          2. It's white on white as far as I'm aware.
            "Coles Law" from takimag, if the deaths in a gun incident exceed the injuries it's white on white.

          5. Pictures or written reports, sos? Only asking as we do know by experience that if no skin colour is specified we can bet on a non-white colouration with some very short odds

      2. It certainly looks odd for an Austrian school, but I haven't been to Austria for 57 years. An Austrian who visited London 57 years ago might well think the same.

    1. In the interest of parity all Nations should have Nuclear bombs. I hear the technology is so advanced a bomb can be carried in a suitcase.
      It would be racist because of skin colour OR where came from to suggest the had nefarious per…i give up.

      We are already flooded with drugs and …i give up

        2. Since i was a child i have been fed these end of the world narratives. I don't believe then as now they are real.
          If nuclear war is going to happen…Get on with it !

          1. Phizz – do you get those dreams where it is all hyper-real and you die? Just asking (for a friend)?

  124. I think I'll call it a day, I'm really becoming totally fed up with politics politicians and all thier shit, the flow more than equals the problem with sewage we have.
    Hardly surprising is it.
    I've not been particularly busy, baked four loafs two white two wholemeal.
    Made a waldorf salad. To go with the M&S pizza. Which needed extra cheese and some small balls of spinach to give it a more attractive appearance and flavour.
    Given up on the international friendly football match. What are they trying to prove having female officials ? At least one of the Senegal players, should have been sent off.
    I'll get back in the morning.
    Good night all Nottlers.

    1. I'm feeling it too. Perhaps we should retreat and concentrate on how bad shop bought pizzas are from someone who makes their own BREAD !
      Give me your Waldorf salad recipe. Or i will send assassins.

      1. I make my own pizza bases. Easy recipe, but you've got to like them thin. I hate great big thick pizza bases, it's the sauce and toppings that make the pizza.

    2. Basil Fawlty had to say he was fresh out of waldorfs when an American hotel guest asked for such a salad.

    2. Useful thing to have in your nuclear bunker though. At least you can have scrambled egg as you die from radiation poisoning.

  126. I might/might not. Depends what's on offer. Monster Raving Loony have some attractive policies.

    1. Will take a look at MRL, thanks. H/t Jenrick, gets a video out regularly, gone up a bit in my estimation. Really tho, pox on all their houses. I know people who’ve never voted, don’t intend to start – ‘all seem the same’ and maybe there’s something in that. I’ve been convinced for a long time – Civil Service our permanent government and unless and until I think differently, I’m out.

    2. The Monster Raving Loony party are a comedy group, who in actual fact voted for UKIP in the past and will probably vote for Reform in any future General Elections.

  127. No. My dreams are where i am in a city as darkness falls and i am lost. Which ever direction takes me deeper.
    The worst ones are where i don't stop falling.
    How about you?

    1. That one not unfamiliar. The falling bit, though, leads to the result described above.

  128. Amongst the many products of which the UK "used to be" the best in the world at producing was steel

  129. Must go to bed. Up in York today for my sister-in-law’s burial. My brother held himself together poor love. She died on their 51st wedding anniversary. Hoping for a quiet night. There was an elephant in the room above me in the hotel last night.

    2. Glad to hear your brother held up well, but not too surprised. At Mrs Bee’s funeral, I was okay, read a poem and did fine circulating at the funeral tea. Now, 22 weeks on from her death, I seem to crack up over something almost every day. Grief is a funny (peculiar, not ha-ha) old thing.

      2. I can't do that.
        I start weeping even thinking about such things.
        Best I go first here.

          1. My mother said that she hoped my father would die before she did. They were each other's great love but she knew that he would be lost without her. She outlived him by seventeen years.

    3. That's awful, a day to recall for happiness becomes a day to recall for sadness.

  130. Got another kerb stone in place up the garden steps, still needs levelling off after it's been left to settle for a couple of days and then backfilled.
    But that's me bathed off to bed!
    Goodnight all.

        1. Thanks sos – I’ll pass that on to him. I think it’s magnesium malate he takes, says it’s the one that works.

      2. I take magnesium but I still get cramp at night and have to get up and walk about.

        1. ‘morning Rastus, apologies for late reply…he tells me there are different types of magnesium, he takes the malate one. Me, I just try to keep up fluids during day, drink plenty of water keep hydrated. And keep active, move those legs…I sit too much 🙄

  133. You must be crackered, Sue. Funerals always have that effect on me. Hope you get some sleep x Very sorry to read about your s-i-l, and your brother, can take a lot of time – dad never got over mum's.

  134. Well, chums, it's time for an early night for me. So Good Night, sleep well, and I hope to see you all tomorrow. I have just looked at every single post on here but there is not a single one for Minty. I do hope she is OK.

  136. A huge orange full moon was rising on the way back from fishing 2 hours ago. No fish between 4 of us but the water was foul with weed after days of SW winds. Luckily I'd filled my 500cl water bottle with chilled Chardonnay and put it in a bag with an ice block for the journey home.
    Edited for dlelling.

  137. A huge orange full moon was rising on the way back from fishing 2 hours ago. No fish between 4 of us but the water was foul with weed after days of SW winds. Luckily I'd filled my 500cl water bottle with chilled Chardonnay and put it in a bag with an ice block for the journey home.
    Edited for dlelling.

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