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Morning GG
Good Morning All. 14C showers overcast.
Morning Johnny, a sunny 14C
https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/1937469646040699069
Another smart arse who is proud of the damage done to our country, its culture and social structure.
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Good morning, all
Cool and cloudy
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2025/06/25/TELEMMGLPICT000430043695_17508762274080.jpeg?imwidth=640
The repulsive front line.
Labour's Welfare Bill revolt explained
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I notice that Mel Stride offered Conservative support for the PIP reforms on condition that there is a real cut in welfare, rather than merely a transfer of existing provisions to the "deserving poor" (i.e. those deemed "hardworking" because they are executives with influence, pledged to "growth" and "change", or are in a protected category). The idea is that it is good to bully people into applying for work that is not being offered them.
I wonder why all those people in the 20% that voted in over 400 Labour MPs did not simply vote Conservative if they wanted a Tory approach to welfare.
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Is he carrying the black bag to clear all the disposable plates and half eaten vol-au-vents?
Maybe the slime slows him down.
Two Tier no-mates!
Colin Macinnes
11h
A starving asylum seeker is greeted at Dover by a good genie who grants him 3 wishes.
The asylum seeker says i'm hungry. (POW) a huge banquet appears!
He then says now I want a nice house. (POW) a big mansion with a swimming pool appears.
He then says I want to be British. (POW) everything vanishes!
He asks where has everything gone? the genie says you're British now mate, you're entitled to f all
Beebsplaining
10h
So who is headshed at the home office, for whom we can now thank for the ongoing exemplary performance on borders 🤔
Try Dame Antonia Rebecca Caroline Angharad Catherine Romeo (one person)
"Permanent Secretary of the Home Office from April 2025, with responsibility for delivering the safer streets mission, secure borders, immigration and passports, homeland security, and protecting vulnerable people"🤔
They may regret this past pic 🤔
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#LondonIsStan
Fixed it for them.
Too good a chance to waste:- https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ceeb14ca9cdcbbd3d187e390c6a01d4add482b0b207738676ef76340d74a3800.png
'Morning All
A I going crazy but hmm those expressions look familiar (yes Gove* i'm looking at you)
* Other politicians are available
https://x.com/aitrendz_xyz/status/1937801060434776130
Hugh Culp
11h
Ratzism is fantastic, leave it alone.
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Good morning, everyone.
Good morning.
JackCoitus
10h
Glastonbury founder Sir Michael Eavis 'could avoid £80m in inheritance tax' after making key change to festival | Daily Mail Online
Eco-Communist wants the state to pay for everything, but she gets to inherit the farm.
Literally.
Paleface
JackCoitus
9h
And we all pay for it as the BBC send about 10,000 staffers there every year to provide wall-to-wall brownosing of the "stars" nobody normal has ever even heard of
Are you suggesting that Sir Michael is a "she", Citroen1? Confused of Colchester.
I think his daughter stands to inherit his estate.
Beebsplaining
10h
And in news that surprised none(farage gbnews where else🤔) the home office admits they have lost track of 45,000 sylum ponces🤔😳🙄
But of course they don't call them lost they call them "withdrawn"🙄 Jesus wept
Lord Farquard
Beebsplaining
8h
45,000… add that to the 40,000 on the watchlist, we have an occupying army of almost 100,000, far bigger than our own army.
Will you be able to protect your family when the fighting starts? Because no one else will do it for you. The State has chosen its side, and it isn't the British people.
The 45 000 withdrawn asylum claims will be using their second passport (EU, purchased in Greece) to work in the UK I expect.
I saw a clip last night showing dozens of men with bicycles who are proven to be working illegally making in town local deliveries.
As long as they aren't put up in accommodation and being given benefits at taxpayers expense I prefer that they do.
I’ve also seen shots near a invaders hotel where there were stacks of bikes.
One solution to the problem would be to say to every arrival, “on your bike, you get absolutely nothing except the bike and if you break the law we’ll dump you wherever your DNA suggests you come from.”
Asylum seekers working on the black. You just can’t live on the money they give you for asylum, not when you’ve got a big house to build back home, and every relative wanting money from you because you’re in the land of free money.
Matthew Lynn
Even the Green Blob has had enough of Ed Miliband
One might imagine the Climate Change Committee would be huge fans of the Energy Secretary. Now he has lost their support too
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/287c3690a82f886c
That's 'cos he's getting the climate change a bad name, and generating lots of resistance and skepticism.
Is he not going far enough for them?
He'd only be handy on an old sailing ship. They'd call out "weigh anchor"..
Morning, all Y'all.
Overcast. Was quite tropical last night – after a day of bright & warm, thunderclouds came over and made the smell of wet earth I recall from my youth in Nigeria, and very, very humid!
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And Thymos is? Not something to keep your tea hot in, I'm guessing.
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Edit. Apparently in Ancient Greek philosophy it refers to the spirited or passionate part of the soul.
And bloody hell. I am listening to a podcast and they have literally just used the word.
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Trump is betraying the people by implementing the mass data collection that is digital slavery. He is doing it in plain sight. They need a leader that people believe in to lead them into slavery.
Farage is probably the British Trump. Same pattern – shambolically "incompetent" leader who breaks government with one disastrous decision after another, followed by Hail the Saviour!
Good Morning!
Today we have the fourth part in our series No War With Russia!, this time covering the Weapons of Mass Persuasion used in the propaganda war those controlling the MSM have been waging against Russia. Please read and leave a comment.
Taking a break from the daily outrage and the sheer lunacy of life in the globalist asylum, grumpy old git Graham Bedford treats us, in his Another one bites the dust , to list of the things once important to him but now, in the wisdom of his years, no longer have appeal. Now GB loves comments, so please get cracking lads and lasses and make his day by telling what things in your life have bitten the dust.
Energy Watch: Over the last 24 hours: Britain's electric power was sourced from Gas, 31.5%; Solar, 7.5%: Wind 17%; Imports, 15.5%; Biomass, 9.3%; Nuclear 15.7% and Miscellaneous, 3.5%.
Answering my own question, after asking ChatGPT:
"Thymos is the spirited, honor-seeking, and recognition-driven part of the human psyche.
It motivates us to stand up for ourselves, demand fairness, seek status, and feel pride—or indignation."
Still makes no sense… Coffee needed!
Poisoned by fluoride and other neurotoxins at a guess.
That's the problem with some our posters on here, Herr Oberst. I also don't have the time to research "Proff" – is it just a mis-spelling? (Good morning, btw.)
I'm guessing a misspelled shortening of "Professor". Could be a Merkin first name, they have strange ones over there.
Morning, Elsie!
From Wiki:-
Good Morning Folks,
Cloudy start here
Hollow pledges on defence spending won’t make Britain any safer
The one thing that you can count on, government does nothing for our benefit.
Government in Britain has always been by the rich, for the rich.
But as long as the aristocracy held the House of Lords, the interests of the rich were roughly analogous to the interests of ordinary people, because they owned large parts of Britain. They were never going to do things against Britain because that would have damaged their own wealth.
Now, we have a Prime Minister who attends Bilderberger meetings, a nebulous international group of people who owe no allegiance to any nation. These people don't care about destroying Britain.
Isn't he in the Trilateral Commission as well ?
Ah yes, I may have confused Trilateral Commission with Bilderbergers. There are so darn many of these trillionaire back-slapping parties!
He could be in both, I think the Health Minister was with them recently, I expect he will take over from Starmer if he goes.
And if the peasantry were too much pissed off, they might rise up and cut the Lord's head off. Definitely a bad hair day, that.
Ah, but at least they were patriotic.
Fast forward to 2025 and you've got a double whammy.. they hate the ordinary people, and they hate your country.
That’s what I mean!
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Morning Each,
Thursday 26 June: Hollow pledges on defence spending won’t make Britain any safer
Courtesy of the current odious state of the nation the prime concern MUST be personal self / family defence the house of deceit & treachery have no regards for the indigenous peoples health & safety as is proven daily.
ALL the while the political toxic trio are in the house of future horrors arguing the toss for " they know they can count on" the tribal herds X of consent .
If by a political miracle the toxic trio WERE kicked into touch then there are others within the house that will step into the breach in a parties hour of need.
In short the peoples need worry as the situation will return to, well, normal post labour.
Just wondering whether we are all being played with this bill to cut welfare benefits.
Were they always going to cancel it or water it down to make it meaningless?
Then they have the excuse to bring in a wealth tax, what they really wanted to do all along
Who knows, Bob3? Everyone seems to have a different view on things these days, so nothing would surprise me. (Good morning, btw.)
Who knows, Bob3? Everyone seems to have a different view on things these days, so nothing would surprise me. (Good morning, btw.)
Good morning all.
A dullish but dry sort of start to the day with a rather humid tad over 17½°C outside.
Quite right Mr. Bradford.
Mr Bradford, It's Our streets that need defending and we are already paying for this in our taxes. But it's not happened. Stopping the boats 15 years ago would have ensured easier defence on our once safe streets.
But as usual our useless political classes have effed up everything they come into contact with.
Morning all- grey and a bit damp out there.
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That's strange, according to the PM starmer this lady is my future enemy yet I cannot agree with that atall, atall.
https://x.com/HoodedClaw1974/status/1937910010949874164
From Vigilant Fox website:
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STORY #3 – NATO just crossed Putin’s red line—and reignited the path to World War III….Trump made headlines by threatening tariffs on Spain for dodging defense spending. But the real story is being buried: NATO’s new chief called Russia the “most significant and direct threat” and declared Ukraine’s membership path “irreversible.”
Putin already warned this could trigger a third world war.
In 2022, he said if Ukraine joined NATO and tried to take Crimea, “you will be fulfilling Article 5 in a heartbeat,” adding, “There will be no winners.”
….. And Zelensky? Seated front row at the NATO summit, even though Ukraine isn’t a member."
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This is ridiculous. NATO is past its sell by date. Britain should pull out of this now warmongering organisation.
Letter and response:-
Might it be, BoB, due to the possibility of litigation should something go wrong? Certainly, that is the case in the USA. (Good morning, btw.)
He may be a Fellow of the RCOG but I wonder if he knows how to recruit Midwives if there is a profound shortage? Anyone reading his letter would think there are rows and rows of unemployed Midwives hanging on coat hooks just waiting to receive the call.
Morning BoB and all
Good morning, all. Broken cloud and breezy.
Have those responsible for the Channel invasion i.e. our politicos of many persuasions – as they would like us to believe – realised that more people are waking up to the idea that said politicos are, in fact, cheerleading the invasion? The Tories didn't stop the invasion and now Labour is overseeing an increase in the numbers arriving.
A few days ago Starmer was wittering on re the homeland will need to be on war fighting readiness. Now this:
https://x.com/georgegalloway/status/1937987731042279656
Coincidence?
The idea that Russia is responsible for the invasion fits well into the plan that war with Russia is necessary and unavoidable. However, very little this particular government claims to be fact is believable.
Wadda loada bolero George.
Grow up.
I think Soros may be funding the invasion, not Russia.
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Morning KtK,
I would question
" very little"
Reds under the beds.
It is beyond belief. It's utterly ridiculous to blame Russia. Where were the military escorts – in France? Why does the UK not PUT A STOP TO IT? Intercept them in the channel, and shoot them if they don't retreat to France. Don't let them out of their dinghies.
I think we know who is behind it, and they are sitting in Westminster and central London.
If we really wanted to stop migration we would make the UK as hostile and nasty to immigrants as Iran is to Jews.
Britain has long ceased to be a humanitarian country so why do the politicians pretend that it still is and treat the invading migrants so lavishly with money, hotels food and pocket money and access to lawyers who will enable them to stay for totally spurious reasons.
Put them in Dartmoor prison.
700 of them in the Home (Foreign) Office.
We don't have any border defences.
Very worrying when George Galloway is right again!
Morning all 🙂😊
Grey breezy but still no rain all those forecasts we are subjected to on our home screens don't seem to happen.
Comment below on the headline, we wouldn't need it if we were not being permanently invaded.
Nor would we have to watch our country being wrecked by more and more sensless building projects.
The road was slightly damp here when I first looked out so we'd had a bit of drizzle.
We are going to have to water all of our garden plants yet again. What a new science….😉
I think you're right Delboy.
Some one is putting money into the hands of our political nonces to make it acceptable only to them.
Bliss. Grey skies and cool breeze.
Sez Temperate Zone Girl who spent six months complaining about a never ending winter.
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Face up to reality, we voted over the last thirty plus years this living style out.
https://x.com/RadioGenoa/status/1938107658336350677
But there is no diversity. What is a liberal to do?
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Can't put me finger on it but this post seems vaguely familiar.
https://x.com/davidcoverdale/status/1937937697668272198
And Just emphasis all that you banged you fist on the table…….then said is that the Front door or the Back door.
Brilliant.
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The thick as ox shite humans have encroached on Thor / Zeus & Indra turf and expected no opposition, wrong BIG TIME.
Two killed as floods smash France
Deadly winds, hail and more than 39,000 lightning strikes recorded in France and Belgium
Those strikes are no surprise yer French will have a lightning strike at the drop of a hat.
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O2O,
https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1938120793650544724
Perhaps very high cloud with the sun shining on it and still visible at that height.
Quite. Has he never seen a low sun lighting up clouds on the opposite horizon?
Good morning, all. Very late on parade. Another miserable night (the 4th) made worse by slipping over in the shower room (where the downstairs loo is). At 2.15 am, after yet another session -, cleaning up afterwards I slipped, trapped my head between the radiator and the washbasin – at the same time trapping my hand above my shoulder. I yelled and yelled – and fortunately the MR, sound asleep, heard and came down and rescued me. My shoulder is uncomfortably wrenched. At 3 am I caved in and took a Loperamide tablet. And just now, a dose of K & M.
Now going carefully downstairs to read the uplifting news in the paper while the MR tackles Fakenham.
That sounds absolutely awful Bill. I hope you have no lasting bad effects. You must look after yourself.
Thanks. It is my good fortune to have the MR.
God bless you both, Bill. My thoughts are with you.
Hope you will be taking things very easy today. What a horrible bout of sickness.
That's terrible Bill, hope you'll be ok – take more care. Thank goodness MR was about
How awful, Bill and such a shock when you’re only half-awake! Thinking of you and do take it easy today!😮
Horrible, Bill. Take a day, or three, off.
Next time don't eat the jellyfish.
Our dog ate one and was ill for a week.
Good luck, I hope the medicine is effective and doesn't push you too far the other way.
Falls are the last things you need at your age.
Horrible for you, Bill. Maybe install some grab rails.
So glad the MR heard you call. My wife has had a few scary tumbles in the house and fortunately I have been there to help her get up. The other day she opened the fridge and pulled out the drawer going over backwards as she did so. I told my daughter of my concerns and now I am in trouble from my wife for worrying my daughter!
When I read that I thought: 'Sh1t that sounds awful!' Glad the MR was able to come to the rescue….
My unreserved sympathies Bill. I have a horror of falling because I would not be able to get up. So empathy and identification with your situation is unreserved. I hope you are better soon, trudging out to the garden to murder weeds etc 😊
Here you go Bill, Cheer you up a little bit.
Also Bill, can I suggest you by a whistle or some sort of alarm you can hang around your neck. I have a remote thingy on my wrist. But since you have someone else in the house…
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/x0rd3yVaJp8?feature=share
Poor you Bill! What a good job the MR didn't sleep through your troubles! Have you not got a loo on the same floor as your bedroom? And grab rails would be useful.
I hope you're feeling better by now.
OW! That sounds really sore, Bill. Falling in the shower is my worst nightmare, everything is slippery and very, very hard!
Take care, you hear? Hope you're not badly dented.
Grab bars, Bill. I put one in the master bedroom shower some years back for Jill. Now there are two. I've bought a third and it will go in shortly. Just get it done.
Ouch! Sending virtual arnica x
Cripes. What on earth did you eat?
Are you sure that's where you picked up the lurgy?
Surely by now – 3 days? – you must have cleared out the bugs and your bowel needs something to calm it down.
A sandwich (supplied by Eurotunnel).. That is the only possible source.
We haven't got grab rails (yet) but we do have non-slip rubber mats in both the en suite shower and the upstairs bathroom.
I slipped on the mat on the floor of the shower room – NOT in the shower (where there ae two grabrails.
Hmmm – ours is carpeted so so edges to trip over. Or mats to slip on wet floors.
Oh bugger.
Hope you're ok now.
Good morning fellow Nottlers
This was meant to be a BTL comment under a DT article but I cannot now find the article under which I was going to post it.
Why are feminists so quiet about the way a certain religions treat its womenfolk? Why are the environmental fanatics so quiet about India's and China's use of coal?
The truth, of course, is that when it comes to the crunch they choose easy targets.
The feminists will tell you that it's just a man problem and not about men of a certain ethnic or religious persuasion, since we're all the same under the skin, right? This is what comes of denying objective reality.
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https://x.com/DailyMailUK/status/1937899609667330532
It's English, Jim, but not as we know it. (I know it's a misquote 😉)
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It's Wokese, a dialect of Leftese.
She wants compliance to sustain wickedness?
"You ain't nicked!" ?
Wickedness!!wow! There’s a thing!
The issue is what is going on in your fucked up mind woman !
Does "wicked" have the slang meaning of clever or does it have its conventional meaning and is she mentally unstable?
Ensure sustainability – in that crime levels are sustained, maybe? Not that the King's Peace is sustained that's for sure.
Verbal diarrhea at its best.
We are going to crack down on the law abiding and let the dindus get away with everything.
Clearly destined to be a Chief Constable, her Damehood is in the post.
She's used a random word generator!
Er …… yerst …….. or …….
408277+ up ticks,
Patience is needed when teaching a new dog old tricks.
https://x.com/historigins/status/1937914881094914224
He's so cute. Harry worked it out straight away. Dolly just stares at it. Of course being a lady she expects me to open the door for her.
And, obviously, you being a Gentleman, oblige.
Quite so. But if she dawdles she gets a boot up the jacksie.
Meanwhile, over the Pond, certain sections of New York City are Thomasing themselves over recent events:
"In his inimitable style, Matt Taibbi described Mamdani's ascent as follows:
New York City’s mayoral race has been won by Zohran Mamdani, no Bernie Sanders-style imitator but the real thing — son of a famed socialist scholar and Marvel superhero to every Jacobin-reading, keffiyeh-wearing student activist huddled in Judean People’s Front-type confabs, between bell hooks readings and visits to Mom and Dad on the Upper West Side. In this country, it’s the most significant movement victory in a century, almost certainly presaging in the near future an epic clash at the summit of American politics between socialism and, well, anything else. As Michael Buffer would say, “Let’s get ready to rum-m-m-ble."
As for his policies…
It’s a yummy pu-pu platter of rent freezes, free bus rides, free child care, and subsidized city-owned grocery stores that will “buy and sell at wholesale prices” and “centralize warehousing and distribution,” clamping down on those evil bodega owners and private supermarkets that force overpriced Fritos and soda on the poor. This will be the AOC theory of inflation caused by “price gouging” deployed in life, via a program to reverse ongoing harms of colonialism by liberating humans and non-human food animals from industry-driven food myths that compel us to harm our bodies, and — have you stabbed yourself in the face yet? ¡Viva la revolución!"
Zohran Mamdani is a complete weirdo. God help New York if he becomes mayor.
When the shops can't pay their staff, their ground rent or any other bill, what happens? When the profit motive is removed, and the quality of the food deteriorates – as you'll sell first to those offering better, what then?
Why do socialists never learn? Price controls, protectionism, socialism simply does not work and always ends in poverty, misery and death.
Are they such psychopathic nutters that they refuse to learn their history AND hate people that they want to make their lives worse?
And if buying and selling at the same price, who pays for the transport, refrigeration, light, employees? Taxes? Bah!
…a bit misplaced, as a hefty percentage of "successful" New Yorkers actually live in Jersey or Connecticut. All someone like Mamdani will do is encourage more wealthy people to leave, which would doubtless lead to raising the payroll tax that NYC exacts. Which will not play well. All in all, a good way to kill the Golden Goose.
Good Morning all! A pleasant day, cool and overcast but sun later on.
Wanted to reply to those who commented on my worry over Trumps ceasefire so excuse me for plunging into that.
My worry is the following.
The regime is going to retaliate with thousands of Iranians murdered. Already they are stopping people in the streets and going through their phones. Anything that they can construe as pro-Israel or pro-Western is to have you labeled as an "agent of Israel" and thus arrested and taken to jail for a trial. The three people they executed yesterday, got 10 minute trials before being killed.
There is a viable opposition to the Mullahs, it is led by Reza Pahlavi, the crown prince. I suggest you listen to his speech (below) to understand what the opposition intends. But the people of Iran are unarmed and cannot fight the regime. That is why a cease fire is a disaster. Without the degradation of the IRGC and the Basij, the people have no chance of fighting back. The only change would be if the regular army decided to topple the government, which is unlikely when Trump has, by this cease fire, made it clear he will not have either the Americans of the Israelis interfere.
The argument I keep hearing is that regime change in that part of the world always ends in disaster. Well, that's Arabs, not Iranians who are an entirely different kettle of fish and are quite clear about what they want, a secular democracy. There seems to be a lack of awareness of who the Iranians are in that respect. They are pro-Western and for the most part, non-religious and pro-democracy. Arab regimes are not.
Last but not least. Without regime change the problem with the Mullahs will begin again and the process of fighting them will be back on the table. Frankly, I think that this has more to do with Trumps ego as "peacemaker". It is certainly different from what the Iranian people want and it is also a tad suspicious due to Iran being Chinas major source of oil which, now a days, is going overland by train. Odd that he would not want a pro-Western regime in Iran in control of the railway that supplies our arch enemy, China with the life blood of a modern economy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA_-yGn6COY
All good points Johnathan
There are no easy answers, but the longer things are left the worse it will become. This had to be done and we hope it is the begining of the end for the leaders in Iran.
Yo and Good moaning to you all, from a sunny (now) C d S
Today we are going to get our new 'set of wheel' a Kia of some sort. it is an automatic.
I have been reading in the Tellylaff, that the P o W is in the clag with Peta (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals), cus their dog had pups
To be pedantic, it was not a dog, it was a bitch
SWMBO said "I have not seen Peta complaining about the hahal slaughter of animals", as usual, she is correct
Just another Left wing organisation. Can you imagine a group better to breed dogs? Huge amounts of money, a massive house for tthe dogs to play in, really big gardens, dozens of watchful (human) eyes.
Just absurd to say that it's a problem. If more pups were born into such wealth it would be a good thing.
Government in talks with Labour mps over welfare cuts……if you don't agree, your out of a job.
With the welfarists being Labour's primary constituents no wonder they're scared. How would a Labour MP get elected if their voter base were suddenly expected to get up and do a job every day? They'd swiftly become conservatives when they see 70% of their salary stolen in tax and would ask 'what do I get for this? I'm just paying for slackers and loafers to sit in bed.'
I agree and what you say emphasis the need to change a lot of currently accepted parliamentary policy. It completely ignores public opinion.
Labour MPs suddenly discovered their consciences after two death votes last week?
Comment of the day..
Man United table 80 million pound offer to Oldham Athletic for striker Kian Harratt..
A holidaymaker filmed hurling a chair which hits a woman in the face during a shameful Ibiza poolside brawl is English professional footballer Kian Harratt.
Harratt was banned from football for four months in the 2023-24 season after placing 484 bets on matches over a three-year period and was also convicted of poaching at a farm in East Yorkshire in 2022 and fined £830, plus £233 costs.
Oh Lord.. just seen.. Arise Sir Gareth. FFS.
Knighted for achieving nothing at all.
3 eighths of b*gger all, my Dad would have said!
A mathematician called Hall
Had a hexahedronical ball
And his pecker plus eight
Times the square of its weight
Was four-fifths of five-eighths of f*** all
A nice upstanding citizen, polite, honest as the day is long and kind to everyone. 🤔
Debate on bbc one, on AI will it change the world.
Not in world of politics it won't. That's a classic example of artificial intelligence.
Let's take two examples in a true AI driven world.
Here's Doris. She can't walk far. She has an almight brain and does crosswords, wordle and gets the countdown conundrum. She has been 'on the sick' since her 50s when an accident caused her spinal problems. She's sharp as a nut, responsible, intelligent. She wants to work but can't as even part time work removes her housing support.
Here's Carmen. She has 3 children by 3 different blokes. She lives in a 3 bed house and has all her bills paid, yet is complaining about a hardship loan repayment because she spent it on another tattoo.
Our AI, let's call it Geoff, says to Doris, righty, you can work. You're being wasted. Here. I will keep paying your support monies and you can find work – this company here, for example wants a part time book keeper. It doesn't pay a lot as they don't need a lot, but they need 'someone'. You can work from home. They won't pay NI for your time, you can contract. Oh, and I've done that for you. Have a read, sign here. If you've any questions ask Mini Geoff who'll get you going.
Now then, Carmen, says Geoff. He evicts her immediately. He doesn't apply an attachment to earnings or anything silly, he just takes 50% of the net salary from the two slackers who she got up the duff with. The last boy, Keef, he simply takes from the parents as Keef has 1 GCSE, a U in CDT.
Carmen is moved out of her house, where the neighbours have complained about shouting and screaming matches. Her PIP car is repossessed – she's tried to sell it and scam another one before claiming it was stolen. Geoff knows it wasn't as he can see the plate in Bristol where traffic cameras saw Carmen drive it and suddenly spend the money on drugs and fags.
Carmen is moved into a smaller flat and also found a job, which she immediately, deliberately, fouls up. Her children, having missed school for 4 months are removed from her care as an unfit mother. Carmen is eventually offered the choice of cleaning graffiti in a chain gang or working. After 8 months of spitting, abuse, swearing, screaming and refusing to do anything, she realises this is her life and turns it around.
Geoff makes these decisions and choices in about a second. That's a long, long time for AI. Of course, he also catches Denise, who's on the sick playing tennis and she finds her monies dry up and are returned to the public purse as well.
In a single day, AI would overturn the wasteful, incompetent political system and restore sanity. It would get rid of the EU in a heartbeat. Same for the entire civil service. What would be the point of an expensive, inefficient bureaucracy when one distributed entity can do a vastly better job in a fraction of the time? There would be no need for politicians, either as popularity is irrelevant when cold, hard logic is applied.
Sounds as though it could replace everybody………..what would all the people do?
AI wouldn't want to do everything. It would be there to serve.
Yes, it could improve efficiency but what if there's a car bonnet haulier who dreams of writing a novel and Geoff works out a way he can do that?
What if there's someone who Geoff sees is a superb tennis player and works out coaching for them?
It could offer such opportunity for efficiency, creating more wealth and better use of resources such as time at traffic lights if we had AI monitoring the entire road network (and for a computer, that's trivial as the problem isn't one car, it's every other car).
What we have now is not AI. It's a glorified search engine at best. True AI will be a revelation. It's why the EU has already set massive controls over it. The EU, an unnecessary bureaucracy – will simply be disbanded as the irrelevance it is.
What exists today are Large Language Models, which essentially do the equivalent of a Google "supersearch" to come up with an answer. And as we all know from using Google and its equivalents, the answers delivered depend on how the question is phrased.
I'm worried about when the AIs start talking to each other about the 'people problem'.
SkyNet worked that out very quickly.
I just wonder if our current PM is really the Starmernator.
Edited for swelling.
I just wonder if our current PM is really the Starmernator.
Edited for swelling.
I just wonder if our current PM is really the Starmernator.
Edited for swelling.
Wipe them out. Most people are rude, crass, arrogant, spoiled, petulant, egotistical. Just get rid of them.
Geoff will do all of that if it's what he's programmed to do. Alternatively, if he's been programmed to derive his reasoning from Michel Foucault and Jacques Derrida, he'll spout intersectional crap and favour Carmen, especially if Carmen is a fat trans-lesbian.
You are describing a technocratic hell.
Reading about your current health issues Bill Thomas, you really need to get a man in and have some grab rails fixed in place to help you keep upright. One of my BiL's had several falls in bathrooms. And I can tell you porcelain and steel does not give in to human preferences.
Perhaps a couple of light weight metal walking sticks or a zimmer frame would be a great help.
Take care and I hope you will get better soon.
The thought is that this abscess came about from a chair leg giving way on me. I've a tough bugger and it nearly broke me. I've my stick for when my knee goes, so do think about it.
It would not be possible to put rails where I slipped over. There ARE rails in the shower and the bath. This was simply an unlucky happenstance.
Thankfully you didn't do serious damage.
I kept going over and my friends put it down to me being a piss head. That had a bit to do with it but it was sudden loss of feeling in my left leg due to clots and drops in blood pressure.
Try not to make a habit of it.
Dear Bill,
Both my bathroom (upstairs) and my shower stall (downstairs) originally had highly shiny and slippery floors and so did my son's.
I bought three sets of 28 small circular non-slip stickers from Amazon UK and stuck them to the bottom of each bath or shower.
( https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00A6P0IWO?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_4 ) – see photo
It is now much safer. Best 14 quid a time I've ever spent. If you can't crawl near the floor to fit them a reliable neighbour or tradespeson may help. I used a Chinagraph wax pencil (a crayon will do) to lay out in advance roughly where they should go.
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P.S. they've never come off in the 15 years since I fitted them.
As daft as it sounds I also put a non-slip mat in the shower. I was having a wash, my left leg slid away from me and I fell – thankfully – against the wall, not the glass.
Has Bill now turned into Donald Duck?
Take care Bill I’ve seen the results of my BiL falling over and banging his head etc. Not a pretty sight.
Just hang on to what you’ve got……
There’s a song in that 😊😉
Gulf states believe Israel is out of control after ‘reckless’ war
So the attack on Israel on October 7 by Iran was OK was it?
They should not have defended themselves or retaliated.
The Daily Telegraph is becoming دیلی تلگراف , which is the "DT" in Persian
More like: "زباله".
We had light shower this morning – didn't last long but freshened things up a bit.
Morning all,
My WiFi analyser app on this dual WiFi Zenpad 3s 10 shows seven 2.4MHz channels and four 5MHz channels but I have no idea which WiFi standard is being used to connect with my dual channel BT Homehub3.
The app tells me I'm connected to a high speed 5MHz WizFi channel but a speed test gives:
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1d47ee91e6ac7648fb9a9810fc855b3b84a94b08dacb8505aa5f0548a3844443.jpg I may lose connection at any time but then this tablet is the oldest wersion WiFi4 dual band IEEE standard.
Try some other speed check sites. They can be extremely variable in their results.
Try with your phone. Turn cellular data off, forcing the phone to use your WiFi, then run a speed test from any of the test sites. Good way to easily show any WiFi "black spots" in your house – or garden.
Remember the internet speed is not an indicator of the 'network' speed. The latter is data to another local device which is often a lot faster.
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The Eu was created to control the nations of Europe and funnel money from the tax payers of European nations into the pockets of failed, incompetent communists given a home in the pointless bureaucracy.
From Coffee House the Spectator
28 Jun 2025
Coffee House
Gareth RobertsGareth Roberts
Why Coronation Street shows the future of TV is doomed
25 June 2025, 5:45am
In what looks like an act of remarkable stinginess, bosses at ITV have reportedly cancelled the traditional freebie summer party for the cast and crew of Coronation Street. The show is still one of the network’s top-rated programmes, and the beleaguered staff are said to be ‘furious’, according to the report in the Sun. I don’t blame them.
This is trivia, yes, but I think it’s a telling moment along the pathway of television’s slow demise. The medium is contracting. Just a few months ago, ITV announced that it was reducing the number of episodes of both Coronation Street and Emmerdale to a mere five half-hour slots each per week. Cast contracts have also been redrawn to bring down the number of episodes an actor is guaranteed per year. The soaps are slowly shrinking.
What will this contraction leave us with? What will we do without television?
I worked on both these shows – getting on for thirty years ago now – at the time when the opposite was very much the case. Back then, we would often have to stick characters superfluously into scenes just to fulfil the actors’ contract guarantees. You may wonder why Rita, say, would hover with a couple of lines in the Rovers every now and then – ‘A gin and lime, Betty, after the day I’ve been having’. And I was in the room as the decrees came down from high level at ITV that the number of episodes was going up to five a week. Now I have the sensation of watching the tide go out again.
However, even in those glory days, there was often a feeling that for the biggest shows on the box, which were bringing in millions of pounds in advertising revenue, things could be surprisingly threadbare on ground level. Because production had always been achieved at the chip shop level, it was considered that a level of cheapness and haste was acceptable. Ask for any kind of complicated or specially designed prop and you were inviting trouble. There was never enough time, and so retakes – and even rehearsal in the traditional sense – were impossible. Huge amounts were spent on extraneous things – big-budget trailers and direct-to-video spin-offs – that didn’t seem to increase the ratings at all. Meanwhile, staff on the actual show were having to rush scenes at the end of the day for fear of a few minutes of overtime.
I remember looking at the rather battered third-hand car driven by the then-producer of Emmerdale and thinking, ‘I highly doubt that the person behind the second biggest show in the States is getting about in a vehicle like that’.
The increase in episodes turned the soaps from occasional treats to everyday, routine background material. Their ubiquity, perversely, made them easier to ignore; keeping up with them as they started running double episodes on top of the regular instalments required a major lifestyle alteration from viewers. Standards, inevitably, slipped. The last time I tuned in regularly, I kept noticing mismatches in continuity and a depressing uniformity of tone, with every scene played and shot in much the same way as every other one. There’s no time to do anything else.
The contraction of these shows is a sign of something wider and more significant. British TV as a whole is contracting. Revenues in ITV plummeted by 8 per cent in nine months in 2024. In March, the BBC – the begging bowl held out as per – whined that ‘without intervention, it will be difficult to maintain the current ambition and volume of UK content’. It revealed that its ‘content spend’ – what a gruesome term – for the coming 12 months will drop by £150 million.
The thinking is that the British broadcasters cannot compete on an equal footing with the high production values of the international (for which, read American) streamers. But the streamers are in trouble too, with rising subscription fees and the introduction of interruptions from adverts into their programmes. It may well be that TV streaming is itself a bubble, though a surprisingly long-lived one.
What will this contraction leave us with? What will we do without television? At what point does it stop being recognisably television? Has that, in fact, already happened?
Maybe AI will inspire new methods and new ideas? I doubt it. Old brands are already everywhere in the media – who would ever have thought that three of the big shows of 2025 would be Bergerac, Blankety Blank and All Creatures Great And Small? What next – gritty, multi-ethnic reimaginings of Rentaghost or Don’t Wait Up?
AI will surely smash straight into the TV industry’s reliance on the familiar and the very old. You’re frustrated that there are only 12 episodes of Fawlty Towers? Enter a prompt and get 100 more.
But a bespoke portfolio of AI content is conceivable. I long for a TV drama that tells its story in chronological order, and I’m beginning to think that’s only going to happen if I ask a computer to provide me with one.
I find myself strangely optimistic about this brave new world – not for the programme makers, but for viewers. The disconnect between these two groups has got ever wider and more extreme and has hastened the inevitable demise of TV. AI will, surely, be a better judge of what people actually want to watch than some spotty Herbert with a 2:1 in Diversity Studies. Roll out the robots!
Gareth Roberts
Written by
Gareth Roberts
Gareth Roberts is a TV scriptwriter and novelist who has worked on Doctor Who and Coronation Street
I think the last time I watched CS was when Ena Sharples was still in it.
…milk stouts in the snug.
And even then, the scripts were guaranteed to include reference to whatever the current COI (government information) campaign was. I remember the Valerie Barlow character being killed off in a storyline where she was electrocuted by a faulty hairdryer plugged into a bad socket. She then fell and knocked over an electric heater, causing a fire. At the time, that was the hobby horse of the Central Office of Information (which always treated the public as idiots, in the name of 'elf n safety).
Ena Sharples, Minnie Coldwell, Albert Tatlock……….Len Fairclough and the “glamorous” one whose name I have forgotten.
After enduring Coronation Street and Peyton Place (in my teens) I went fifteen years without watching TV. When I met my wife, who had a small portable TV, I noticed that the programmes were even worse than I recalled.
T'was Elsie Tanner – there was a famous episode where she leaned out of her bedroom window flashing cleavage. Very daring in those days.
I've never watched it.
Soap opera guarantees:- Weddings always end in punch-ups and there are always graveside scenes where characters talk to their dead relatives. And someone gets taken hostage every few months. Oh, and any time a character leaves Coronation Street permanently, they always leave in a taxi.
PS there are always far more gay characters than you would ever encounter in real-life.
That's because the casts in these shows represent the demographics of those who make the shows – not the population at large. Ditto for the advertising industry.
What would we do without TV? Read books, garden, talk to people, enjoy some time free from social engineering..,
Nah, look at TikTok and WhatsApp (I do neither) or post on X and Nottl (guilty).
Without TV? Use NOTTL, blogs, web forums, documentaries on YT etc. 20 years TV and licence-free and it's great!
As commented on earlier, my erratic connection to my new BT router looks as though evolving WiFi protocols may be influencing those with legacy WiFi connecting standards.
This is a useful reference to consult when trying to reach the full potential of kit you are thinking of purchasing if you are thinking of making use of the 1GBit/s data transfer rate of optic fibre when it is to be distributed round a home using WIFi.
https://support.visiotechsecurity.com/hc/en-us/articles/17895784638492-Everything-networking-WiFi-4-5-6-and-7-explained#:~:text=Frequency%20Bands%3A%20Wi%2DFi%207,performance%2C%20capacity%2C%20and%20efficiency.
Uh? Can you explain the second paragraph in English please?
Odd that I felt the same when someone explained 'stiff peak' egg whites.
Was a bit black magic, really!
TV adverts are promoting broadband connections using optic fibre data rates of many gigabits per second. These data rates, essential for interactive gaming and virtiual reality video streaming, are usable only if your hardware of your personal devices are connected with high speed ethernet cable such as category six (cat6) tristed pair.
However, many handheld devices like smartphones and tablets are designed to work around the home using WiFi radio connections to your optically connected internet router. Such radio connections to your router can severely impact on the reliability and data transfer speeds of what can be delivered over optic fibre.
Ways of improving domestic delivery of internet services around the home via WIFi have led to an evolving set of standards regularly redefined by the IEEE over the last ten years but, whilst these are supposed to be backwards compatible with old devices, there have been issues about interoperability with existing domestic installations.
I am still trying resolve connectivity issues with a different tablet using Android 14 and ethernet WiFi connectivity to IEEE 802.1 standard with an 'ax' suffix.
Thankyou – I'm still none the wiser, but we don't do streaming or interactive gaming.
We do use the telly as a monitor for the nest box cameras.
OH is watching the tennis. Well he was, but a young chap just won his match so now it's off.
The three of us saturate our 'family' fibre line. Traffic last month was around 1.4tb.
Any device that could went to 10GB to the device, the wifi got upgraded to the new 7th gen stuff, with another access point added for coverage.
Still, despite all that, nothing works.
Afternoon all. Had to come in from the garden because it started to drizzle. Brightened up again now so will be off out again shortly.
The ground is so warm here that the pathetic few spots of rain we had this morning evaporated in no time!
We've had sunshine, dark threatening clouds, coinciding with the washing being hung out, and back to bright sunshine here.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14849649/UK-second-heatwave-2025-temperatures-Met-Office-maps-weather.html
Over the last 10 days it's been 31, 31, 34, 36, 37, 30, 30, 33, 34 a chilly 28 and next week will be higher, to 39's here. Not particularly unusual.
Just be sensible and you'll probably be fine.
And if one is less than sensible you'll probably be fined….
Too hot for me. Knock ten off each and I'd be happier. It'll make taking the car in and worse, collecting it damned uncomfortable.
Sounds similar to here. Today is cooler, but the sun is still blazing away, so it will heat up.
The HVAC system is keeping the house cool – as it keeps it comfortable in winter.
The highest Temp we had was 28C Sussex coast.
I'm dreading Sunday!
Will you have your new air conditioner up and running?
Noy sure, unless it arrives today or tomorrow.
It was 25½°C on Saturday.
Starmer OUT in days?!
Hard Left to make their move.. licking their lips.
Wealth Tax.
Confiscation of the rich redistributed to the workshy, Muslims & migrants.
All the funds of the UK is theirs to bloat the public sector.
YouGov MRP Predicts Political Extinction of Tories on Just 46 Seats
A fresh MRP from YouGov – their first since the general election – has Reform the largest party in a hung parliament with a projected 271 MPs. Labour would slump to just 178 seats – losing 233 MPs in the process. But the real story is the Tories…
On this outcome the Conservatives would cling on to just 46 MPs – not enough to operate as any kind of viable political force. Of the current 119 Tory MPs, 73 would lose their seats, mostly to Reform. The fieldwork ran from 29 May to 18 June – a period during which the Tories have made little impact. Ouch..
Patrick English, director of political analytics at YouGov, said:
“Just a year since Labour’s election landslide, the party is on course to win fewer seats than it did in 2019. That a clear majority would now vote for someone other than the two established main parties of British politics is a striking marker of just how far the fragmentation of the voting public has gone over the past decade.”
Guido reminds co-conspirators that our own whiteboard method outperformed every single final MRP from the pollsters last time round, and it is still early in the election cycle. Nevertheless, the Tories are now looking down the barrel of total political extinction…
June 26 2025 @ 08:06
Ernest Nowell
5h
Missing from figures. 50 plus seats won by Independent Moooslyms, who have ditched Labour. The same Labour who are still fawning all over them in the hope of getting their postal votes!
keith waites
Ernest Nowell
4h
Bang on, Earnest – and Crayon's seat will probably be one of them
Cecil Parker
4h
I think it's worse than that for Labour.
The constituency I live in is still marked Labour by YouGov, but Labour have lost — and will continue to lose — a lot of voters here due to the local (Labour) council building on the Green Belt.
Everyone knows it's a Labour Government policy, and no-one is happy about it.
What's the saying about reaping the whirlwind?
There is no value in voting Conservative. They're not offering anything we really need.
Voting Labour is an act of masochism. Voting green moronic. Lib Dem may as well just wear a brown shirt and jackboots.
Then we have Reform.
Who again, are offering nothing different.
So Reform gets to play at Government by Trilateral Commission/Bilderberg/WEF for a change…
Great, business as usual with The Conform Party led by one man & his iPhone.
So the drug related martyrdom of St. George of Fentanyl and the shameful actions that resulted from it are still having serious consequences on British Policing, are they?
Add a Chief Constable who, when with the Met, was one of those high ranking officers who threw Police officer NX121 under the bus and we get a clearer picture of how dysfunctional policing in the UK has become and it becomes a wonder that ANYONE with a nouse of intelligence can still have confidence in them.
This is one of those articles to which the editors have attached a slightly misleading headline. The writer doesn't assert that Max & Co will fall before their time is up. Nevertheless, if something extraordinary were to happen, what would come next? The Tories are utterly moribund, Reform has become schizophrenic, political Islam is on the rise and the establishment is dismantling the demos at a frightening rate. It will take a big figure to command the respect of enough voters to win a majority and to make order from this chaos. I see no one. Who is that man or woman who will rise out of nowhere?
"… Among the many that lost their seats were plenty of my party's most useless MPs, up to and including one Liz Truss.
…"
Thus proving at a stroke that you are not a conservative or a Conservative.
Shut up, you stupid whelp. Go back to the communist worker of 'con home'.
The message, not the messenger.
The writer certainly doesn't come across as a particularly original or perceptive. He is merely repeating what the usual suspects said in the pile-on over Liz Truss.
Indeed Wibbers. Liz Truss had the perfect approach to solving problems but was hounded to death.
The Bank of England had a lot to do with bringing her down.
Democracy is dead. We need a coup. Is there a retired general who's clever, strong and competent and could command the respect of the soldiers I always saw at TR rallies? Someone who could assemble a team capable of locking the uncivil service out of their computers. One can't leave those people with access to public money and still expect meaningful reform.
This is all something Reform are not thinking about. They're just becoming establishment wasters.
Rupert Lowe is 68, about 18 months younger than I am. I am only a few months younger than the Pope! By the time either of us will be anywhere near the seat of power, we'd both be well into our seventies and lucky to have the energy or faculties to run a country, as well as fighting off malicious opponents and even more malicious rivals.
The age to be looking at a future leader is about 30. After gaining enough political experience to outfox the others as well as coping with constant dilemmas where there is no right answer, only a juggling act of wrong ones, such a person would be about 40, still young enough to make a go of it for long enough. Kate Forbes was 33 when she stood for her party leadership. Kemi Badenoch is 45.
Today we'd be looking for someone born in the mid-1990s. Who have we got? How would such a person be educated, having started primary school at the turn of the millennium, secondary school when Blair was holding off Gordon Brown until the economy tanked, and who graduated from university at the time of the Brexit Referendum? Such a person was not born when Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister. To put this in context, it is like me harking back to Winston Churchill for inspiration, fed by the legend growing up around him, rather than having lived through his time.
Anyone that young will have no adult memory of a functioning economy or a cohesive and law-abiding society.
It needs to be someone 70+ who has the charisma to inspire and enlighten the young and able. The person directing the operation doesn't need physical strength.
But he will need stamina.
You need wiser and older. 30 is far too young. Just because someonf is old and not fit it does not affect their brain in most cases. A young team with an old wise leader is what you want.
He would be ideal as he knows what meeds to be done and wouldn’t be looking for a second term. But of course his running mates would be.
We need a one-term Parliament consisting of a majority of MPs over the age of 60 and on a cross-party ticket.
I quite like Kemi she seems to have the right amount of common interest and commonsense.
But how vulnerable would she be to AH's like Heseltine etc who plotted and removed Maggie ?
Our political classes are full of horrible people who have no interest in public opinion or anything outside of their own terrible adgenda.
Programed robots and a computer system would be a better option. But of course it would depend on who programed the given instructions.
Kemi was always biding her time, and her campaign was all about 2030.
At the moment the Conservative Party is in the doldrums, and it is a waste of time setting a programme for it right now, other than licking wounds and making trouble for Labour.
Reform has been grabbing the public attention right now, and did very well in the locals. Kemi must be calculating though that its lack of political experience will rebound on it before too long. Farage’s expulsion of Rupert Lowe, and then the shenanigens with the very unbritish-sounding Muhammed Zia Yusuf with his big wallet has already begun to unravel the party. I am also hearing of chaos in councils they currently control.
By the time Reform has run out of steam, Kemi can relaunch the Conservative Party with a lot of new talent in good time before the next election. Her biggest worry might be the Labour Party imploding between the Left and Right, as we have seen with the climbdowns over fiscal discipline aimed at those who cannot defend themselves, when having loadsamoney to splash out on goldplated infrastructure projects for their chums in Big Business.
Kemi Badenoch is outstanding – but the Conservative Party is too far gone.
What do you think about Stride, Sue? Might he fit your bill?
Mel Stride? Isn't he part of the existing Wastemonster order?
Yup. Now promoting Jenrick, or so it seems. Or Johnson. Or somebody else….
There ya go.. take yer pick.
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Eerr sorry did you really mean a pick or a shovel or both ?
He lost me at:
Who would be delighted that their team lost, because it could win the next time around? Judjing from the current mood in the UK, most mainstream political parties will be toast, all proving equally useless, but there's also the rising question of whether there will be another election – what if civil war gets in the way?
Only an idiot 24 year old who never worked in a real job could think like this bozo. No wonder the Tories are toast.
He used to edit Young Conservative website. I think he's written in the Speccie, recently.
From my political campaigning days, I am guessing that Labour MPs votes for the two death bills were bought by promising them the opportunity to "rebel" the following week over the welfare bill.
Absolutely sickening and not a single Labour MP can hold their head up if they voted for the death bills.
Doesn't surprise me, but what kind of democracy and honour is that?
There won't be a General Election before 2029. Labour MPs would have to pass a motion of no confidence in the government for that, and turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
"… if something extraordinary were to happen…"
The writer is musing on the possibility of something happening beyond the conventional. So was I.
The only thing I can think of is that someone bombs the House of Commons while all the MPs are in it.
Ooohhh ooohhh yes please
No loss of meaningful life.
They are trapped between a political rock and a fiscal hard place..
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Dear William (Aged fourteen and a half),
Your lot are clueless.. duds.
You didn't know then.. and you still don't know now.. what you are up against.
Just like Kate Andrews economics editor at The Spectator.. LOL and all her fellow Rishi fanboys.. she reckoned a few percentage point tweaks of the interest rates and the UK will solve;
Islam..
Grooming gangs..
No Go areas..
Open borders..
Whitehall..
Every institution captured by pink haired commies trans activists.
Iran intensifies internal security crackdown after US, Israel strikes
Authorities are reportedly carrying out mass arrests and executions of alleged spies
https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-intensifies-internal-security-crackdown-after-us-israel-strikes
Well, they would, wouldn't they?
How are you feeling at present, Bill? Better, I hope.
Lovely people of both race and religion……not.
Who, the Iranians? An old friend of mine is Iranian and I have met many because there is a considerable number of them in California. Without fail they have been the nicest people I have known. As for religion, the majority are agnostic or atheist. As I pointed out yesterday. Only 30% of them are Muslim and they are very pro-Western, unlike the regime that they regard as an occupying force.
Not especially more their government, it's well known the country as you suggest was doing quite well and was respected until the religious crackdown Late 70s. That's obviously one of the reasons so many had left their own country.
Islam is still dwelling in the century it was founded in. It should be banned outside of Islamic states.
Fear tactics to suppress any thought of opposition.
Reports today is that the IRGC going from dwelling to dwelling, dragging people out and shooting them . But also the Israelis are still causing disruption in Iran, apparently, with drones and things having a tendency to mysteriously blow up.
Yes. But it makes me so angry that Trump stopped the Israelis from continuing to cripple the regime. The poor people of Iran don't have a chance while these thugs still have all the weapons and the people none.
Not the right kind of Miaowist.
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Good one, Rik. Has to be Sickear, otherwise Larry go on strike and rat him out…..
Have been out to a local garden; ideal temperature being sunny but with a breeze. Ow enjoying an iced latte in a dog friendly cafe on the way back. Both dogs have had a puppachino so it’s been a lovely day, enhanced by having the garden virtually to myself apart from the gardeners.
Both dogs? I thought you had acquired a third?
No. I may be a bit crazy, but not completely bonkers 😀 The dog I mentioned I acquired in 1984.
Ah, thanks for the clarification.
Hmmmm – super new, squirrel proof feeder arrived last week – filled with seed and in place. Since then – nothing!! None of our birds like it – either it's the wrong seeds or they are too stoopid to use it!
Scatter a few seeds under it and they might put two and two together?
Tried that – they ate some of the seed and left the rest! 2+2 = 7??
When we had feeders we used sunflower hearts. Big success with all birds. If the bird was large and heavy and stood on one of the perches it would shut off the food.
https://roamwildproducts.co.uk/products/roamwild-squirrel-proof-bird-feeders
They're good, had one for a few years now, always with sunflower hearts. Currently there're a dozen birds competing for the perches.
Tried that – they ate some of the seed and left the rest! 2+2 = 7??
I bouht a 'squirrel-proof' feeder to find a rat in it one morning. Now an ex-rat.
What seeds are you using?
Probably the wrong ones, it seems!
Sunflower hearts are the best I’ve come across. These people have been my source for the last few years.
https://www.gardenwildlifedirect.co.uk/premium-sunflower-hearts.html?msclkid=f1db951a78781a425575fd47dc220baf&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=pMax%20-%20Sunflowers%20(2023-09)%20-%20gAds-G20579144547&utm_term=www.gardenwildlifedirect.co.uk&utm_content=Sunflower%20Hearts
Suggests you're correct and that the seed is the problem.
I stop feeding for the summer in late spring and restart in around late October/early November and find that it takes a while before they flock to the feeders in any numbers, as they get used to the food sources. I tend to use peanuts and sunflower seeds which most of the visitors seem to enjoy.
We only get reds here and they don't show much interest in the feeders.
Arold
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I get the feeling that all of this is building towards a crescendo. Everything this government touches turns into a fiasco, with the rationale behind the decisions and policies being publicly discredited.
I think Labour's decision to throw the SAS veterans from the Troubles to the wolves may eventually be the breaking point.
A truly disgusting decision, with Hermer and Starmer's fingerprints all over it.
Nice weather up here so we went to Lakeland (formerly Lakeland Plastics) in Windermere. 'er indoors loves the place (kitchenalia and the like), I think it's like Dante's seven circles of Hell. It's amazing how many things she can find that she didnt know she desperately needed.
Then on to Ambleside and Gaynors Sports where I got a new pair of Sprayway walking boots down to £29,99 from £105 (yeah, right….) – nice boots though, my others were falling to bits.
Todays trivia question; How many Lakes are there in the Lake District?
Answer; Just the one, Bassenthwaite Lake, all the rest are Meres or Waters (Windermere is just Windermere, not Lake Windermere)
I love the use of the old English “mere”.
He was merely trifling with us!
Of course the pendants would argue that you should have asked how many lakes are called lakes!
©Peddy
That would rather have given the game away, Monsieur Peddy!
Are you implying that we pendants would have been swinging for him?
Don't forget the Lady of the Lake (on Ullswater).
That's a steamer, isnt it?
LotL – sadly missed here.
Very true.
Myr (mere) in yer Weegie = a wet marshland.
We have meres in Shropshire. Ellesmere Port was so named because the canal went from Ellesmere.
Normally I like his opinion pieces, but on this one he's completely and utterly wrong.
Just because one lot of nutcases has them does not mean all nutcases should.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14850431/peter-hitchens-nuclear-weapons-iran-israel-Mail-podcast.html
Agreed.
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Iranian investment in trying to break up the Union just took a sharp dip.
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I put that on here last night! Couldn’t believe it!
Please explain it, Sue!
I read the article as there being a load of fake accounts under ‘Scottish’ type names, posting hundreds of pro-Indy messages. The accounts were all based in Iran and were knocked out when the bombs dropped on the internet connections! Quite bizarre, but the longer you think about it, the more you think it’s probably very common!
With friends like these, who needs enemies!
I’ll need to look at Wings, and the National! Most of the loonies on there appear to worship the Iranian nutters, and loathe the Israelis!
I read the article as there being a load of fake accounts under ‘Scottish’ type names, posting hundreds of pro-Indy messages. The accounts were all based in Iran and were knocked out when the bombs dropped on the internet connections! Quite bizarre, but the longer you think about it, the more you think it’s probably very common!
I wonder if the former leadership of the SNP is involved?
https://www.standard.co.uk/business/billionaire-shipping-nondom-john-fredriksen-oil-tankers-b1234987.html
Well done Labour.
Ah, The Sloane (boat) arranger – 'High, Ho, Silver!'
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Too close to the knuckle, that one.
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‘Knuckle’? What on earth are you doing?😂
Maybe he's trying to muffle it.
Ooer!
Touching cloth?
That's too close for comfort, Spikey!
Sorry Bill, not on purpose. Hope you’re feeling better
I left school 40 years ago and we are having our Reunion tomorrow evening. Only the second one i’ve ever been to (the first one i went to was last year). So we What’s Apping a lot at the moment.
One girl is writing a novel set in Wolverhampton in the 60s and is looking for authentic immigrants to talk to, to get their experiences.
she wants to k ow if we do this know anyone from that era she can interview about experiences (preferably a “black and brown people”).
We had one black girl in out year and a number if Indians, but clearly we were a faaaar right fascist etc etc school, sadly lacking (in modern parlance) in “Diversity”.
However, one of our number says the following:
“when I went to infant school (whitmore reans) I was the only white girl in the class. I wasn’t being taught as such because all the other children were being taught how to speak English as they were mainly Indian. Also I distinctly remember them not wanting to hold my (white) hand. I had to play with the boys cus there were a few white boys. In the end I got moved to a catholic school to be ‘taught’ as I was reading before I went to school.”
I worked as a doctor’s receptionist after school in the area, and the doctor told me of all the Sikh girls who “went missing”. And he didn’t mean they went back to India.
What does 'went missing' imply? (I'm so naive in these matters!)
Honour killings, was what i understood by it
Thank you.
I should add, this was going to be my children’s experience when they were due to go to primary school in 2006/7 (being the only ones speaking English, but in our case the other children were all of European origin). Which is why i sent my children to the German school in Richmond. Two can play at that game.
Gosh I feel old reading your post all of a sudden! I don't tend to calculate these things!
Nice picture. Until I had a stroke, I was the driver, having been the fireman as training.
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That's me for today – sent largely lying on a settee reading. I am weak as water. Interesting fact. If you empty (and continue to empty) your insides and eat only a tablespoon or so of sustenance a day – your weight goes down. In my case from 70 kg to 64 kg! In 4 days….
Have a jolly evening.
A demain. I hope.
Jesus, Bill! Get some nourishment in you – even if it's vanilla ice cream with caramel sauce. One needs energy!
I found that when I had flu. I couldn’t face food and lost nearly a stone.
Got to take fluids regardless.
Oh I do, I do….ugh!
UK Legislation
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…migs dont add to economy so why do we pay for them?
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Thank you Home Office/Remoaners
Exposed: Where Palestine Action plans to strike next
Telegraph secretly joins online meeting and uncovers major recruitment drive – days before group is proscribed as terrorist organisation
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/6f34f54a680d5029
Old style journalism
I wonder how many of the attendees were MI5/police agents?
Of course, the uncomfortable truth is that the journalist was able to inflitrate the group because they come from similar middle class white backgrounds…
Sounds like the plot of one of Tom Sharpe's South Africa set novels?
Madeline Grant
Keir Starmer is seriously stupid
26 June 2025, 4:23pm
Sir Keir has returned from his worldwide statesmanship tour. Barely the edge of a photograph went ungurned in, not a bottom went unkissed, no platitude went ungarbled. Now – lucky us! – he was back in the House of Commons for a good long crow about his achievements.
The PM began with the usual Starmerite guff production. The man is a veritable Chinese Power Station of pompous pollution. This, however, was more smug than smog. It began with a round-up of how crucial he’d been in every negotiation and discussion.
‘We’re following in the footsteps of Attlee and Bevan,’ crowed Starmer. Well, up to a point Comrade Copper. I mean, his cabinet hated each other too. Apparently, the G7 was going to ‘follow Britain’s lead’ on controlling illegal migration. I genuinely think he didn’t see the irony in this. What’s next? The G7 to follow North Korea’s lead on free speech? Nato to follow Spain’s lead on afternoon productivity?
Dick the Butcher, in Henry VI, Part 2, famously exclaims ‘now let’s kill all the lawyers’. It was this energy and spirit which Kemi Badenoch sought to channel as she stood to respond to the Prime Minister’s 12-minute self-paean. ‘What we need is a leader, instead we have three lawyers’, she said, referencing the PM, Lord Hermer and the Sage of Tottenham, David Lammy.
The PM’s slavish following of legal advice was a major theme of her speech. A picture emerged of a man who, if some UN precedent could be found for it, would crawl up and down Pall Mall in a leather gimp-suit singing ‘I’m a Little Teapot’ and then claim it as a stunning victory for soft power.
Dame Emily Thornberry also invoked the ‘soft power’ geopolitical sugar plum fairy. Perhaps to distract from her troublemaking over welfare cuts, she put on a sort of sickly-sweet Pollyanna-ish voice to ask her non-question. Normally her mode of delivery is like a buffalo that’s just smoked 100 Superkings.
More soft pitches were thrown in Sir Keir’s direction by Sir Ed ‘Babe Ruth’ Davey, who, while ostensibly asking questions on behalf of the Lib Dems, had as his most used phrase today ‘I agree with the Prime Minister’.
As always, there was an obsequious toad ready on the Labour backbenches to perform the act of ego-stoking necessary to keep the leader’s sense of self intact. Enter John Slinger, who decried petty party politics, then praised the Prime Minister for the unique ‘human empathy’ he had brought to international diplomacy. Slinger is apparently MP for Rugby. I had assumed he actually represented the underside of a rock somewhere in the deepest, darkest Amazon because that appears to be where he has been living for the past 12 months. There was even a gentle backscratcher of a question from Rishi Sunak about Iranian sanctions. Would anyone in the House follow Mrs Badenoch’s lead and try to pop St Pancras’s very own pig’s bladder of pomposity?
Step forward, Stephen Flynn. The SNP’s Westminster leader resembles an apoplectic egg and is the only person in the chamber who appears to hate the PM more than Kemi Badenoch and Big Ange do. How could Sir Keir make his arguments about foreign policy on moral grounds when he was about to cut aid to the disabled, he asked? Cue more fleshy clucking from Starmer. At the end of his rant, Flynn was called what had become the word of the day in this nightmarish episode of Sesame Street: ‘unserious’.
For all his capacity to render himself ridiculous by his legalistic pomposity, there is always potential for the PM to add to it. He is particularly keen on affecting the air of a self-important substitute teacher when addressing the Leader of the Opposition; ‘not angry, just disappointed’. Inevitably, the PM also accused Badenoch of being ‘unserious’. Further irony there of course, because as every good comedian knows, nothing is more ridiculous than someone going about something innately stupid – self destructive even – with the utmost seriousness.
Madeline Grant
Keir Starmer is seriously stupid
26 June 2025, 4:23pm
Sir Keir has returned from his worldwide statesmanship tour. Barely the edge of a photograph went ungurned in, not a bottom went unkissed, no platitude went ungarbled. Now – lucky us! – he was back in the House of Commons for a good long crow about his achievements.
The PM began with the usual Starmerite guff production. The man is a veritable Chinese Power Station of pompous pollution. This, however, was more smug than smog. It began with a round-up of how crucial he’d been in every negotiation and discussion.
‘We’re following in the footsteps of Attlee and Bevan,’ crowed Starmer. Well, up to a point Comrade Copper. I mean, his cabinet hated each other too. Apparently, the G7 was going to ‘follow Britain’s lead’ on controlling illegal migration. I genuinely think he didn’t see the irony in this. What’s next? The G7 to follow North Korea’s lead on free speech? Nato to follow Spain’s lead on afternoon productivity?
Dick the Butcher, in Henry VI, Part 2, famously exclaims ‘now let’s kill all the lawyers’. It was this energy and spirit which Kemi Badenoch sought to channel as she stood to respond to the Prime Minister’s 12-minute self-paean. ‘What we need is a leader, instead we have three lawyers’, she said, referencing the PM, Lord Hermer and the Sage of Tottenham, David Lammy.
The PM’s slavish following of legal advice was a major theme of her speech. A picture emerged of a man who, if some UN precedent could be found for it, would crawl up and down Pall Mall in a leather gimp-suit singing ‘I’m a Little Teapot’ and then claim it as a stunning victory for soft power.
Dame Emily Thornberry also invoked the ‘soft power’ geopolitical sugar plum fairy. Perhaps to distract from her troublemaking over welfare cuts, she put on a sort of sickly-sweet Pollyanna-ish voice to ask her non-question. Normally her mode of delivery is like a buffalo that’s just smoked 100 Superkings.
More soft pitches were thrown in Sir Keir’s direction by Sir Ed ‘Babe Ruth’ Davey, who, while ostensibly asking questions on behalf of the Lib Dems, had as his most used phrase today ‘I agree with the Prime Minister’.
As always, there was an obsequious toad ready on the Labour backbenches to perform the act of ego-stoking necessary to keep the leader’s sense of self intact. Enter John Slinger, who decried petty party politics, then praised the Prime Minister for the unique ‘human empathy’ he had brought to international diplomacy. Slinger is apparently MP for Rugby. I had assumed he actually represented the underside of a rock somewhere in the deepest, darkest Amazon because that appears to be where he has been living for the past 12 months. There was even a gentle backscratcher of a question from Rishi Sunak about Iranian sanctions. Would anyone in the House follow Mrs Badenoch’s lead and try to pop St Pancras’s very own pig’s bladder of pomposity?
Step forward, Stephen Flynn. The SNP’s Westminster leader resembles an apoplectic egg and is the only person in the chamber who appears to hate the PM more than Kemi Badenoch and Big Ange do. How could Sir Keir make his arguments about foreign policy on moral grounds when he was about to cut aid to the disabled, he asked? Cue more fleshy clucking from Starmer. At the end of his rant, Flynn was called what had become the word of the day in this nightmarish episode of Sesame Street: ‘unserious’.
For all his capacity to render himself ridiculous by his legalistic pomposity, there is always potential for the PM to add to it. He is particularly keen on affecting the air of a self-important substitute teacher when addressing the Leader of the Opposition; ‘not angry, just disappointed’. Inevitably, the PM also accused Badenoch of being ‘unserious’. Further irony there of course, because as every good comedian knows, nothing is more ridiculous than someone going about something innately stupid – self destructive even – with the utmost seriousness.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2025/06/26/TELEMMGLPICT000430175489_17509599848100.jpeg
408277+ up ticks,
Mindset of tribal party before Country voters
"Yeah but Reform and the tories (INO)party might amalgamate that would be a winner,
wouldn't it ?
The Farmers Food and Freedom Party,
WHO ?
https://x.com/NoFarmsNoFoods/status/1938250075232170018
Brilliant orator!
408277+ up ticks,
O2O,
Such is the state of the nation that we cannot afford to cast a vote WITHOUT a safety net party on standby.
Good one Ogga
Well, that's the holiday for next year sorted, I hope they like dogs.
"North Korea to open beach resort as Kim bets on tourism"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0w59r54w9o
Of course they like dogs, preferably sauteed…….
Chewhuahuas ?
Hot dogs?
sausage dog? 😘
Release the sausages!
Oh well I've just managed to water the patio plants and pot plants. Rescued a large bee from having been stuck on a utility room window. Put him on an open rose. Cooked the dinner earlier, washed up and tidied the kitchen. My knee is throbbing. Taken two paracetamol tablets. I'd better go up and lay down before I fall asleep. Nurse appointment tomorrow morning to have my wound redressed. And relax….
Keep as well as you can all Nottlers and goodnight all. 😴
Found this by accident, and was charmed by it!
https://youtu.be/47TGXJoVhQ8?si=_pLNamEWYwf5IlJd
VG!
I love this piece of music, and that interpretation of it is pretty good!
What I find fascinating is that there is no absolute agreement on who, in fact, Elise was – there are three contenders and all of them have some claim to the title.
Therese Malfatti (who he proposed to in 1810) , Elisabeth Rockel who he also chased unsuccessfully, and Elise Barensfeld, although she links back to Therese Malfatti.
Very convoluted, and perhaps we will never know – but the music is just stunningly beautiful……
Edit: Just realised there is no indication that we are , in fact, talking about Beethoven!
Nonsense, GGGGaspar. As I explained just now to Herr Oberst it was written for me, Elsie.
But of course Elsie, why didnt I see that? he merely mistakenly transposed the s and the i (highly believeable as he was supposed to have done similar with Therese!).
Isnt it a fabulous bit of music though?
Beautiful and very gifted players. Yet not a lot of people know that Mr Beethoven wrote this me personally (Für Elsie) Lol.
Reminds me of one of my tests – spend the whole day setting it up for 3 minutes of testing!
Silly question but is he getting all the sounds from sliding his finger round the top of a wet glass?
Yup, looks that way.
The glasses, with various levels of water in them are dry, he has to moisten his fingers now and again to create those orgasmic sounds….
Morning BB2 and all.
Even magiker: I love that Varnus leaves the echo to die away.
My Father used to play in Durhan Cathedral when younger… and I can't make a note on anything. How frustrating is that?
https://youtu.be/FHNLdHe8uxY?si=ayXbB0LHgR_aNYWy
Wow, lucky man! I’m biased of course, but Durham is my favourite Cathedral!
We went up on the roof when we were there on a visit.
And were very impressed with the tribute to the Durham light infantry which my FiL was a member of.
Brilliant – I'd love to have a go on that. I tried learning that tune but only got as far as the first 9 notes
https://x.com/kelvmackenzie/status/1938320689569886450
And that is me off to bed.
Goodnight all.
If you've ever driven an artic
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Get a grip….😆
What a slog up the M40/M5 tonight. 3 1/2 hours to do what i used to be able to do in 2 hours. It took me 45 minutes to go 5 miles from my house to the M4, and they had ahut the M40 between Banbury and Gaydon; plus two other random lane closures.
Well, chums, my bed calls. So I shall wish you all a Good Night. Sleep well, and I hope to see you all here early tomorrow morning.
Goodnight, all.
From Coffee House the Spectator
28 Jun 2025
Coffee House
Jim Lawley
Spain won’t escape Trump’s wrath for its Nato rebellion
26 June 2025, 6:53am
At yesterday’s Nato summit in The Hague, all but one of the 32 leaders agreed to increase their defence spending to 5 per cent of GDP as President Trump has been demanding. The exception was Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez. His insistence that actually 2.1 per cent will be enough has enraged President Trump.
Trump described the Nato summit’s achievements as ‘tremendous’, celebrating its recognition of the need for other Nato members to take up the burden of the defence of Europe. He added that ‘it was 2 per cent [of GDP] and we’ve got it up to 5 per cent’. But he had harsh words for Spain, describing the country as ‘terrible’ and threatening to use trade tariffs ‘to make them [Spain] pay twice as much’.
Spain’s left-wing politicians seem delighted with Trump’s displeasure
This confrontation has been brewing for months. Ever since Trump’s re-election, Sánchez has been positioning himself as a leading opponent of the US President. Indeed Spain’s socialist prime minister and his supporters have repeatedly suggested that Trump’s victory in the US elections is confirmation of a sinister surge in global far-right extremism that embraces Brexit, Orban, Meloni, Wilders, Bolsonaro, Milei and is also increasingly evident in France and Germany.
For Sánchez it’s a dangerous, world-wide threat that he’s called upon to counter. He and his ministers seem to regard it as their mission to lead the struggle against an erosion of democracy and exultation of xenophobia of which, they say, Trump is the most powerful exponent. Presenting themselves as the heirs of the noble republicans who fought against General Franco in the civil war (1936-1939), Spain’s socialists feel that they are especially well-placed to understand and combat this ‘fascist threat’.
It’s a convenient conceit since it justifies Sánchez in clinging to power. Engulfed in corruption scandals, he’s under enormous pressure to call a general election. But Sánchez is insisting that, in fact, it is his duty to stay; after all, an election would almost certainly lead to a right-wing government which relied on the support of Vox – a right-wing party close to Trump which Sánchez and his followers describe as fascist.
Anti-American sentiment has deep roots in Spain. The 1953 Pact of Madrid, giving the US military bases in Spain, appeared to legitimise and consolidate Franco’s regime. The left, having harboured hopes that the US might one day help remove the dictator, felt betrayed. More recently, when he became prime minister in 2004, socialist José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero immediately withdrew troops from Iraq, incurring President Bush’s wrath and earning Spain a reputation as an unreliable ally but boosting his popularity and pacifist credentials at home.
The country has also always been divided over membership of Nato. When Spain joined in 1982, the socialists took to the streets with banners reading ‘No to Nato’. Later, when they came to power, they changed their mind as they experienced what Prime Minister Felipe González called ‘a brutal process of adaptation to reality’.
González had already promised a referendum on Nato membership, however. With only 19 per cent of Spaniards in favour of membership, it was no easy task for him to get a majority to reaffirm Spain’s membership in the referendum held in 1986. But shameless exploitation of state media, including his final, passionate plea to the nation the evening before the vote, eventually ensured a narrow majority of 52 per cent in favour of staying in Nato.
Discontent with Nato and the defence spending that membership entails is never far away, however. In April, when Prime Minister Sánchez promised to increase Spain’s defence budget from 1.3 to 2 per cent of GDP, the radical left-wing and separatist parties that are propping up his fragile minority coalition government immediately accused him of war-mongering.
Now Spain’s left-wing politicians seem delighted with Trump’s displeasure. One immediately announced that ‘it’s always been a good thing to piss off a neoliberal fascist’. Another said that Spain’s refusal to pay 5 per cent proved that it was not a ‘vassal state’. A third called for Spain to leave Nato, which she described as ‘a criminal and terrorist organisation’. It remains to be seen how the Spanish people will react to Trump’s threats to punish them with tariffs.
Written by
Jim Lawley
Jim Lawley is a former university lecturer who has lived and worked in Spain for 40 years.
Comments
Labour Banning Alcohol Ads in Latest Nanny State Nonsense
Labour will unveil a ban on alcohol advertising next week as part of Wes Streeting’s new 10-year NHS plan. The government claims it’s looking at “partial restrictions” meaning either an outright ban or blacking out ads before the 9pm watershed. The same crusade we’ve seen waged against so-called “unhealthy” foods…
Predictably, professional killjoys like Alcohol Change UK are already popping corks having complained about the UK’s “far weaker advertising regulations compared to other countries”. But the actual evidence is a little less intoxicating. A 2014 Cochrane Review titled ‘Does banning or restricting advertising for alcohol result in less drinking of alcohol?’ concluded: “There is currently a lack of robust evidence for or against recommending the implementation of alcohol advertising restrictions.” Chris Snowdon of the Institute of Economic Affairs tells Guido:
“Less than a year after taking office, the government has already given up on serious reform and is resorting to banning things as a substitute for governing. It’s as if Rishi Sunak never left. The rise in alcohol-specific deaths happened because of prolonged lockdowns. It had nothing whatsoever to do with advertising. This is pure displacement.”
Just let the adults decide…
June 26 2025 @ 15:00
Reg
13h
How about banning halal instead?
Lord Trumpmedecine
Reg
13h
About as much chance as banning cousin marriages.
Dissident
14h
Most Labour voters don't use alcohol these days.
Next, banning ads for bacon.
Red
14h
He won't help our farmers, he won't help our fishermen/women, he won't help business, he won't stop the streets of London and other cities being used to promote anti Semitism and he won't smash the gangs…but he'll stop us having fun, he'll stop us going out and enjoying ourselves, he'll stop OAPs winter fuel payments and he'll stop free speech. This is Keir Starmer, a man without commitment, a man without substance, a man without fidelity who chops and changes allegiances and U Turns on policies at the slightest sign of opposition. A man of straw.
Lord Trumpmedecine
13h
Thank goodness for Beer, I wouldn't have survived Covid lockdown without a pint and a party with my mates.
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Colin Fisher
13h
Blimey you learn something new every day. I hadn't realised that our PM was half Spanish. I distinctly heard some people outside Downing Street shouting "Juan Keir", well I never.
Exonian
12h
The Spectator under the slithy Gove has been infected with full on TDS and RDS (Reform Derangement Syndrome). They even had a piece by the hideous Shrek-substitute Dan Neidle saying Reform's non-dom policy will cost the UK £34bn. Shameful. They are in TDM (Tory Denial Mode).
The New Statesman has the most laughably bad even ludicrous pieces by people like Marr, some creeps called Eaton (of the Roger Scruton smear), Dunt etc., telling us just how good Labour are doing and that things will inevitably get better because Labour are such nice people and they care so much. And Spanner has been the greatest statesman since (fill in your own blanks). Deluded is not the word.
Again, Labour seems to be setting up a deliberate contrast to the man often pictured with a pint in his hand…it's almost as though TPTB want Farage to be our next PM. There would be open revolt if Starmer tried to inflict the digital id – what's the betting Farage will pass it off as "cutting Labour's red tape – simply show one ID for everything!"
They didn't use "build back better" for no reason – in order to build back, you first have to destroy.
Lammy Private Jet Costs Soar to £1.3 Million in Three Months
David Lammy’s love of the high life is really taking off. Newly released government figures show Lammy burned through a staggering £1,360,780 on flights between January and March. That’s a 10% increase on the prior three months, and a 48% increase on his first three months in office…
Of the total, a jaw-dropping £1,315,766 went on private jets. That’s £15,120 a day Lammy spent on flights in the first three months of the year…
Lammy flew to 17 different countries – or more than one new country every five days. FCDO ministers in that period spent a total of £1,452,732 on overseas travel. All that international schmoozing earned Lammy a whopping 40 minutes notice of the US strike on Iran..
June 26 2025 @ 16:55
stephen dean
12h
I have no problem with the Turnip flying out of the country.
Its the coming back that bothers me.
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Dunking his biscuit?
Last night's Question Time (I never watch)
Captain Sensible
11h
QT is at St Andrew’s. Long before the coming of social media, the Scotch invented golf as a simpler way of wasting vast amounts of time and making people cross.
Guitar Bloke
10h
The usual balanced panel…
A Scottish socialist MSP for Gaza
A Scottish National Socialist
A Tory wet (a socialist)
A Socialist journo
And a bloke who isn't a socialist for the rest of them to call a race-ist.
Add in the customary astroturfed audience full of erm… Socialists & you get what the BBC call "impartiality".
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Beebsplaining
8h
When it comes to our kilted brothers I defer to the genuine article for his view of this independence pish and who is a waycist 🤔
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Lord Farquard
8h
Sadiq Khan has appointed a P*kistani M0sl#m, like himself, to the role of Director of Global Relations, a foreign secretary for London on 150k a year.
That makes
9 x Deputy Mayors
2 x Chief of Staff
4 x Mayoral Directors
5 x Special Appointments
Who does Khan think he is?
Bulls**t Detector
Lord Farquard
7h
The Caliph of London.
Good morning, all – Friday’s new page is here .
Thanks Geoff!
Good morning Geoff and thank you.
Walking and cycling commissioner. What does he do?
Collects a salary