Saturday 29 August: Patients report that GPs turn them away to be dealt with by dialling 111

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  1. It’s in the UK’s national interest for Trump to triumph. Douglas Murray 29 August 2020.

    Is there anyone in the world who cannot list Donald Trump’s flaws? They seem so manifest and so multiple that even thinking of doing so evokes thoughts of barrels, shooting and fish. His unwillingness to ever miss an opportunity to boast. His career-long devotion to exaggeration. His desire to talk up everything about himself and talk down everything about anyone else. This and much more can all be held against him and regularly is.

    He is also one of the most successful figures in US history. In his career before the presidency he made a fortune, lost a fortune, made a fortune again, then ran for president and – having never held political office – gained the presidency on his first try. You don’t need to admire him, let alone love him, to notice that there is something uncommon about him. And uncommon people – especially uncommonly successful people – generally have something worth teaching.
    Opinion polls suggest that the British people have never warmed to Trump and find his vulgarity as well as what news about him filters through to be reason enough to dismiss him. But taking this view deprives us of something. Not least an ability to learn what it is about Trump that makes him appealing to a significant proportion of the American public and what has made aspects of his time in office a success. Listing Trump’s virtues may be harder than listing his flaws, but still they are there and worth highlighting.

    Take Trump abroad. The revelations about him – not least in John Bolton’s recent memoir – can be hair-raising without a doubt. The President’s lack of awareness about major aspects of foreign policy. His ignorance of basic things (such as – apparently – this country being a nuclear power) are enough to instil in the foreign policy establishment a desire to have a lie down. And yet those same foreign policy establishments have been shown to be wrong time and again. Whether it is intelligence failures over WMDs, or a total lack of foresight over nearly any major event (such as the so-called Arab Spring) we have of late had a foreign policy establishment that can hardly point to a single success. What is more, among most candidates for the US presidency, it seemed to have become a prerequisite for office to appeal to the American public on the basis that you’d be keener than any of your opponents to send American troops into battle. Any battle.

    Trump reversed all of that, promising to prevent America being dragged into quagmires around the world. Of course there are consequences to America’s withdrawal. But Trump was not wrong when he berated the foreign policy failures of his predecessors and rivals. Had Hillary Clinton achieved the Oval Office, it is almost certain that she would have got her country into one or more conflicts in the Middle East among other places.

    The person who actually won the 2016 race has done no such thing. He has not only stuck to his promise not to get America into any more wars, he has done things that his predecessors would never have done without getting America into endless such conflicts.

    Cast your mind back to January when American forces killed General Qasem Soleimani. The moment the killing of Iran’s foremost general was announced, the entire foreign policy commentariat went into overdrive. “Is this our era’s Franz Ferdinand moment?” they asked. And that was just the less excitable ones. There seemed a general belief – once again – that Trump was going to get us all killed. And yet – once again – he didn’t. American forces took out Iran’s leading general, a man who had overseen the deaths of countless numbers of British and American troops, not to mention Iraqi and other civilians in the area, and Iran took it. Not least because they seemed to fear that they were dealing with a madman.

    It is the same with the other notable foreign policy strides of his presidency. Whether it is the still under-heralded but utterly historic Israel-UAE peace deal. Or his unexpected efforts to address the problem of North Korea. Time and again Trump has done bold, brash and often nail-biting things in the foreign arena. But he has come through them. Like all presidents he could have done more in other places. But in the areas that Trump has applied himself to, he has made quite extraordinary achievements. And the fact that he is unpredictable and perhaps even a little crazy (an impression we must hope that he works at cultivating) can be a great virtue in the international arena.

    Likewise when it comes to the only major challenger to America’s global economic and military dominance, Trump has been able to do things that none of his opponents would ever have dreamed of doing. His re-building of the American military has not been done in order to use it against third-rate despots and tinpot terrorist groups (who have demonstrated an uncanny ability to play America to a draw in recent conflicts). Rather he has built it up in order to demonstrate to China that American military dominance will not be allowed to dwindle away. He knows that if you have military dominance, an awful lot of other games can also come into play.

    Is there another candidate (in 2016 or now in 2020) who knows better than Trump the game that is now in motion with Beijing? If there is then is there any other who would have been willing to slap tariffs on the country, bring back jobs from China and much more in the way that Trump has done? Long before the coronavirus hit, Trump had warmed up the American people to understand the threat that China posed to them. Not as a military power but as an economic rival. An economic rival whose actions were directly affecting the wage-packets of American workers. No European leader has managed to do anything like that. And America’s desire to play the Chinese at their own game is a major global play that is highly unlikely to survive the Trump presidency.

    And then there are the issues that are of more immediate relevance to the UK. Most important of which is the US-UK trade deal currently under negotiation. It seems unlikely that this deal will be completed before the presidential election. Not for any lack of will on either side, but simply because of the time it takes for the details of such agreements to be ironed out. The excellent trade teams on both sides of these discussions want to arrive at a deal and given the opportunity they will do. The good will in Washington and from the team around Trump is not to be ignored. Compare that with the “back of the queue” that Trump’s predecessor said a post-Brexit Britain would be sent to.

    On these issues and more, there are successes that this administration has achieved which are worth reflecting on. Of course some will judge that these do not outweigh the negatives. Others will accuse me of seeking to use a low tool for high purposes. But there are only two people on the ballot this November. And the one most frequently presented as the most unstable and unpredictable may yet prove to be the one who will give this country and the wider world the period of greater success and calm.

    Morning everyone. This is of course a skit on William Hague’s piece: It’s in the UK’s national interest that Joe Biden wins the presidential race. 24 August 2020. The only difference is the subject and it is better written and true.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/28/uks-national-interest-trump-triumph/

    1. Morning Minty, a fact of life that is forever true, Wee Willie Vague is always wrong and can be relied upon to let us know it with his DT articles.
      That is the natural consequence of peaking at age 16 or thereabouts.

  2. It’s in the UK’s national interest for Trump to triumph. Douglas Murray 29 August 2020.

    Is there anyone in the world who cannot list Donald Trump’s flaws? They seem so manifest and so multiple that even thinking of doing so evokes thoughts of barrels, shooting and fish. His unwillingness to ever miss an opportunity to boast. His career-long devotion to exaggeration. His desire to talk up everything about himself and talk down everything about anyone else. This and much more can all be held against him and regularly is.

    He is also one of the most successful figures in US history. In his career before the presidency he made a fortune, lost a fortune, made a fortune again, then ran for president and – having never held political office – gained the presidency on his first try. You don’t need to admire him, let alone love him, to notice that there is something uncommon about him. And uncommon people – especially uncommonly successful people – generally have something worth teaching.
    Opinion polls suggest that the British people have never warmed to Trump and find his vulgarity as well as what news about him filters through to be reason enough to dismiss him. But taking this view deprives us of something. Not least an ability to learn what it is about Trump that makes him appealing to a significant proportion of the American public and what has made aspects of his time in office a success. Listing Trump’s virtues may be harder than listing his flaws, but still they are there and worth highlighting.

    Take Trump abroad. The revelations about him – not least in John Bolton’s recent memoir – can be hair-raising without a doubt. The President’s lack of awareness about major aspects of foreign policy. His ignorance of basic things (such as – apparently – this country being a nuclear power) are enough to instil in the foreign policy establishment a desire to have a lie down. And yet those same foreign policy establishments have been shown to be wrong time and again. Whether it is intelligence failures over WMDs, or a total lack of foresight over nearly any major event (such as the so-called Arab Spring) we have of late had a foreign policy establishment that can hardly point to a single success. What is more, among most candidates for the US presidency, it seemed to have become a prerequisite for office to appeal to the American public on the basis that you’d be keener than any of your opponents to send American troops into battle. Any battle.

    Trump reversed all of that, promising to prevent America being dragged into quagmires around the world. Of course there are consequences to America’s withdrawal. But Trump was not wrong when he berated the foreign policy failures of his predecessors and rivals. Had Hillary Clinton achieved the Oval Office, it is almost certain that she would have got her country into one or more conflicts in the Middle East among other places.

    The person who actually won the 2016 race has done no such thing. He has not only stuck to his promise not to get America into any more wars, he has done things that his predecessors would never have done without getting America into endless such conflicts.

    Cast your mind back to January when American forces killed General Qasem Soleimani. The moment the killing of Iran’s foremost general was announced, the entire foreign policy commentariat went into overdrive. “Is this our era’s Franz Ferdinand moment?” they asked. And that was just the less excitable ones. There seemed a general belief – once again – that Trump was going to get us all killed. And yet – once again – he didn’t. American forces took out Iran’s leading general, a man who had overseen the deaths of countless numbers of British and American troops, not to mention Iraqi and other civilians in the area, and Iran took it. Not least because they seemed to fear that they were dealing with a madman.

    It is the same with the other notable foreign policy strides of his presidency. Whether it is the still under-heralded but utterly historic Israel-UAE peace deal. Or his unexpected efforts to address the problem of North Korea. Time and again Trump has done bold, brash and often nail-biting things in the foreign arena. But he has come through them. Like all presidents he could have done more in other places. But in the areas that Trump has applied himself to, he has made quite extraordinary achievements. And the fact that he is unpredictable and perhaps even a little crazy (an impression we must hope that he works at cultivating) can be a great virtue in the international arena.

    Likewise when it comes to the only major challenger to America’s global economic and military dominance, Trump has been able to do things that none of his opponents would ever have dreamed of doing. His re-building of the American military has not been done in order to use it against third-rate despots and tinpot terrorist groups (who have demonstrated an uncanny ability to play America to a draw in recent conflicts). Rather he has built it up in order to demonstrate to China that American military dominance will not be allowed to dwindle away. He knows that if you have military dominance, an awful lot of other games can also come into play.

    Is there another candidate (in 2016 or now in 2020) who knows better than Trump the game that is now in motion with Beijing? If there is then is there any other who would have been willing to slap tariffs on the country, bring back jobs from China and much more in the way that Trump has done? Long before the coronavirus hit, Trump had warmed up the American people to understand the threat that China posed to them. Not as a military power but as an economic rival. An economic rival whose actions were directly affecting the wage-packets of American workers. No European leader has managed to do anything like that. And America’s desire to play the Chinese at their own game is a major global play that is highly unlikely to survive the Trump presidency.

    And then there are the issues that are of more immediate relevance to the UK. Most important of which is the US-UK trade deal currently under negotiation. It seems unlikely that this deal will be completed before the presidential election. Not for any lack of will on either side, but simply because of the time it takes for the details of such agreements to be ironed out. The excellent trade teams on both sides of these discussions want to arrive at a deal and given the opportunity they will do. The good will in Washington and from the team around Trump is not to be ignored. Compare that with the “back of the queue” that Trump’s predecessor said a post-Brexit Britain would be sent to.

    On these issues and more, there are successes that this administration has achieved which are worth reflecting on. Of course some will judge that these do not outweigh the negatives. Others will accuse me of seeking to use a low tool for high purposes. But there are only two people on the ballot this November. And the one most frequently presented as the most unstable and unpredictable may yet prove to be the one who will give this country and the wider world the period of greater success and calm.

    Morning everyone. This is of course a skit on William Hague’s piece: It’s in the UK’s national interest that Joe Biden wins the presidential race. 24 August 2020. The only difference is the subject and it is better written and true.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/28/uks-national-interest-trump-triumph/

  3. It’s in the UK’s national interest for Trump to triumph. Douglas Murray 29 August 2020.

    Is there anyone in the world who cannot list Donald Trump’s flaws? They seem so manifest and so multiple that even thinking of doing so evokes thoughts of barrels, shooting and fish. His unwillingness to ever miss an opportunity to boast. His career-long devotion to exaggeration. His desire to talk up everything about himself and talk down everything about anyone else. This and much more can all be held against him and regularly is.

    He is also one of the most successful figures in US history. In his career before the presidency he made a fortune, lost a fortune, made a fortune again, then ran for president and – having never held political office – gained the presidency on his first try. You don’t need to admire him, let alone love him, to notice that there is something uncommon about him. And uncommon people – especially uncommonly successful people – generally have something worth teaching.
    Opinion polls suggest that the British people have never warmed to Trump and find his vulgarity as well as what news about him filters through to be reason enough to dismiss him. But taking this view deprives us of something. Not least an ability to learn what it is about Trump that makes him appealing to a significant proportion of the American public and what has made aspects of his time in office a success. Listing Trump’s virtues may be harder than listing his flaws, but still they are there and worth highlighting.

    Take Trump abroad. The revelations about him – not least in John Bolton’s recent memoir – can be hair-raising without a doubt. The President’s lack of awareness about major aspects of foreign policy. His ignorance of basic things (such as – apparently – this country being a nuclear power) are enough to instil in the foreign policy establishment a desire to have a lie down. And yet those same foreign policy establishments have been shown to be wrong time and again. Whether it is intelligence failures over WMDs, or a total lack of foresight over nearly any major event (such as the so-called Arab Spring) we have of late had a foreign policy establishment that can hardly point to a single success. What is more, among most candidates for the US presidency, it seemed to have become a prerequisite for office to appeal to the American public on the basis that you’d be keener than any of your opponents to send American troops into battle. Any battle.

    Trump reversed all of that, promising to prevent America being dragged into quagmires around the world. Of course there are consequences to America’s withdrawal. But Trump was not wrong when he berated the foreign policy failures of his predecessors and rivals. Had Hillary Clinton achieved the Oval Office, it is almost certain that she would have got her country into one or more conflicts in the Middle East among other places.

    The person who actually won the 2016 race has done no such thing. He has not only stuck to his promise not to get America into any more wars, he has done things that his predecessors would never have done without getting America into endless such conflicts.

    Cast your mind back to January when American forces killed General Qasem Soleimani. The moment the killing of Iran’s foremost general was announced, the entire foreign policy commentariat went into overdrive. “Is this our era’s Franz Ferdinand moment?” they asked. And that was just the less excitable ones. There seemed a general belief – once again – that Trump was going to get us all killed. And yet – once again – he didn’t. American forces took out Iran’s leading general, a man who had overseen the deaths of countless numbers of British and American troops, not to mention Iraqi and other civilians in the area, and Iran took it. Not least because they seemed to fear that they were dealing with a madman.

    It is the same with the other notable foreign policy strides of his presidency. Whether it is the still under-heralded but utterly historic Israel-UAE peace deal. Or his unexpected efforts to address the problem of North Korea. Time and again Trump has done bold, brash and often nail-biting things in the foreign arena. But he has come through them. Like all presidents he could have done more in other places. But in the areas that Trump has applied himself to, he has made quite extraordinary achievements. And the fact that he is unpredictable and perhaps even a little crazy (an impression we must hope that he works at cultivating) can be a great virtue in the international arena.

    Likewise when it comes to the only major challenger to America’s global economic and military dominance, Trump has been able to do things that none of his opponents would ever have dreamed of doing. His re-building of the American military has not been done in order to use it against third-rate despots and tinpot terrorist groups (who have demonstrated an uncanny ability to play America to a draw in recent conflicts). Rather he has built it up in order to demonstrate to China that American military dominance will not be allowed to dwindle away. He knows that if you have military dominance, an awful lot of other games can also come into play.

    Is there another candidate (in 2016 or now in 2020) who knows better than Trump the game that is now in motion with Beijing? If there is then is there any other who would have been willing to slap tariffs on the country, bring back jobs from China and much more in the way that Trump has done? Long before the coronavirus hit, Trump had warmed up the American people to understand the threat that China posed to them. Not as a military power but as an economic rival. An economic rival whose actions were directly affecting the wage-packets of American workers. No European leader has managed to do anything like that. And America’s desire to play the Chinese at their own game is a major global play that is highly unlikely to survive the Trump presidency.

    And then there are the issues that are of more immediate relevance to the UK. Most important of which is the US-UK trade deal currently under negotiation. It seems unlikely that this deal will be completed before the presidential election. Not for any lack of will on either side, but simply because of the time it takes for the details of such agreements to be ironed out. The excellent trade teams on both sides of these discussions want to arrive at a deal and given the opportunity they will do. The good will in Washington and from the team around Trump is not to be ignored. Compare that with the “back of the queue” that Trump’s predecessor said a post-Brexit Britain would be sent to.

    On these issues and more, there are successes that this administration has achieved which are worth reflecting on. Of course some will judge that these do not outweigh the negatives. Others will accuse me of seeking to use a low tool for high purposes. But there are only two people on the ballot this November. And the one most frequently presented as the most unstable and unpredictable may yet prove to be the one who will give this country and the wider world the period of greater success and calm.

    Morning everyone. This is of course a skit on William Hague’s piece: It’s in the UK’s national interest that Joe Biden wins the presidential race. 24 August 2020. The only difference is the subject and it is better written and true.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/28/uks-national-interest-trump-triumph/

  4. ‘Morning, Peeps.

    Brief, but powerful:

    SIR – Can Matt Hancock explain why he has decided to change our National Health Service into a National Covid Service that only treats one condition. The rest of us suffer and die in silence.

    Dr Mary Castle
    Claygate, Surrey

    1. The objective is to maximise the number of people who will be especially vulnerable to being killed by Covid.

      This will ensure that when the Autumn/Winter wave strikes, deaths will far exceed the last time round and show that Fergusson’s team was correct and that Government’s actions were necessary.

      It will also save a small fortune in care, pensions etc. while bringing forward death duies and releasing housing stock.

      The green revolution and NWO reset can go ahead unhindered.

    1. My understanding, Hugh, is that most European (or perhaps it’s World?) countries already include a universal charge to cover not just police/rubbish collection/fire services/etc. but also TV stations. I reckon that a universal TV tax for the UK is inevitable.

      1. ‘Morning, Elsie. A cop-out is certainly possible, Elsie, but would leave the poisonous B’stard Broadcasting Corpn generally intact, and that for me is totally unacceptable. There will still be no accountability, but judging how the government rolled over last time, we are about to be shafted yet again.

      2. Norway recently moved tv tax to income tax. So, even if you have no telly, you pay. And avoiding it is difficult.

        1. In a sense, I have no objection provided that the revenue raised is shared equally by all TV stations and not (as currently is the case) given to just the BBC. And heaven help us if the government takes it all and uses it to plug other non-TV gaps, just as it does with the Road Tax, Pension contributions, etc.

  5. I watched (part) of a prog that the MR had recorded. It was the beeboid Botney “interviewing” (= listening sycophantically) to a British born bame – who had abandoned his birth-given “slave name” and replaced it with a Nigerian one. He is a director of a theatre – delighted to have 45% bames – putting on plays written by bames about guns, crime, gangs, broken families (as well as the terrible live the whites force upon them). Adored by white libtard BLM supporters who say that he makes them feel “liberated”.

    He clearly has not the remotest interest in 350 years of English drama. He wandered round Nigeria – esp a “slave” prison – whinging about the English and slavery – completely unaware that the place had been built and run by Nigerian slave dealers.

    I went for an early bath.

    1. I thought (and hoped) we had heard the last of Yentob following the ‘collapse’ of Kids Company, the charity that he and that fat batmanjelly woman were involved with. Even the BBC went cold on him over that episode.

        1. He’s precisely the sort of overpaid leftie that has got the BBC into the current mess.

  6. Are asylum seekers really living in luxury hotels? – Q&A. 29 August 2020.

    Are asylum seekers living in luxury hotels, as the far right claims?

    The quality of hotel accommodation varies. Most rooms are in budget hotels, which are being used during the pandemic because social distancing is not possible in accommodation the Home Office usually uses, especially those that have several beds or bunkbeds in one room.

    So that would be a yes then!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/aug/28/are-asylum-seekers-really-living-in-luxury-hotels-qa

    1. “Far right”? People observing the situation and saying what they see are just right, surely.

  7. Charles Moore:

    It is a basic doctrine of our system of government that ministers decide, and therefore account to Parliament for their decisions. It follows that they – not civil servants or other advisers – take the credit for success and the blame for failure. In cases of iniquity or irredeemable, systemic cock-up, they should resign. Any other system would evade the direct relationship that must exist between the voters and those who win the general election and then form a government.

    In the case of the confusion over Covid-affected A-level and GCSE results, the responsible minister is the Education Secretary, Gavin Williamson. No iniquity is alleged, but if the general view is that the cock-up is irredeemable, Mr Williamson should resign or invite the Prime Minister to move him when convenient.

    Given the immense difficulties of Covid, I would say Mr Williamson’s case is borderline, rather than open-and-shut. On the one hand, he has lost a lot of public confidence. On the other, his departure might solve nothing for the Government, or for schools, still wrestling with the plague. It is a fine judgment.

    But I want to look at a different aspect of the doctrine of ministerial responsibility. How much does it mean when the structure and practice of the public service undermine its reality?

    In the case of this summer’s exams, the body charged with making the decisions was not Mr Williamson’s department, but Ofqual. Ofqual is an “independent” regulator, a “non-ministerial government department”. It is supposed to be free from political control, and thus maintain educational standards. The famous algorithm was its, not Mr Williamson’s. He did not even have the right to inspect it in detail.

    In quiet times, such arm’s-length arrangements can work. Ministerial meddling is reduced; experts protect the standards. The trouble is that whenever things get difficult, the Government comes under pressure to intervene and the non-ministerial departments somehow vanish. How often, during the exams row, did you find Sally Collier, Ofqual’s now-departing chief executive, publicly defending what her organisation had done? She neither made the case for her policy, nor explained her errors.

    The most glaring example of responsibility swerved is NHS England. It employs 1.2 million people, making it the largest public-sector employer in Europe. Its chief executive, Sir Simon Stevens, is accountable for more than £120 billion of annual spending. Yet he has been almost invisible to the public since Covid-19 hit the fan. We have little idea whether he did right or wrong. We have to listen to the Health Secretary, Matt Hancock, instead.

    These arm’s-length bodies become closed little worlds, invested with great power, hard to hold to account, fiercely unwilling to take blame.

    Then there are the government departments themselves. Here – in theory – the chain of command is clear. Ministers answer to Parliament for their departments and protect them from attack. In return, civil servants make sure that what ministers want gets done. The practice, however, now departs very markedly from the theory. I am not talking here about clearly bad behaviour, such as bureaucrats leaking or ministers turning on their officials in public. That, unfortunately, always happens. I am talking about what is now considered normal practice.

    Defenders of officials often say, “Remember, they can’t answer back”. Yet nowadays they often can. Senior officials appear before parliamentary committees, as if they had an independent existence. They make lots of public speeches, often without consulting their ministers. Last month, Jonathan Slater, the permanent secretary of state at the Department for Education, spoke at the Institute for Government. He declared that “I feel at my best when I genuinely feel accountable for delivering something”. If so, would he like to take some responsibility for the exams fiasco?

    It is increasingly common for a department to declare its own view on an issue which goes beyond government policy (and sometimes even contradicts it). Recently, the Tory peer, Emma Nicholson, alerted by complaints from many parents, began to protest to the Department for Education about its new materials for the Relationship and Sex Education (RSE) guidelines which become compulsory next month. Some of these “factsheets”, promoted by lobby groups with the help of departmental money, advise schools that they must, in the interest of transgender rights, institute mixed-sex lavatories. Breast binders, padded trousers, puberty blockers, cross hormones and surgery are all advocated. The Trans Inclusion Toolkit being pushed to schools sounds as if it does the job all too literally.

    Another document for schools – an “inclusive package for ALL young people” – circulated by an LGBT organisation, the Proud Trust, and backed with money from the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport, introduces the “Dice Game”. On each face of each die is a word (or words), such as “penis”, “anus” and “hands and fingers”. Players are then invited, having rolled the dice, to think of exciting things to do with the combination chance has thrown up. This almost paedophilic fantasy is aimed at children as young as 13. None of the above is in the legislation, though the pressure-group documents often suggest it is. Mr Slater, however, is an enthusiast for trans rights, and tweets as the Civil Service’s “LGB&TI Champion”. During Covid, he has tweeted only once (so 
far as I can see) about the urgent matter of exams, preferring subjects such as Ramadan, Pride Month and Windrush Day.

    The most striking recent example of departments going way beyond their impartial remit is their reaction to Black Lives Matter, following the killing of George Floyd. Several permanent secretaries, including Mr Slater at Education, and Sir Stephen Lovegrove at Defence, put out messages against “whiteness” or giving the hashtag for Black Lives Matter.

    Since then, part of Mr Slater’s concern for what he calls “tackling the whiteness of senior Whitehall” has been fulfilled, in that he has been retired early on ministerial insistence. The permanent secretary of the Ministry of Justice, Sir Richard Heaton, has also been moved towards the door. In June, he wrote, on behalf of his department: “We must be clear in the workplace that racism and inequality are enemies we must keep fighting … It’s why the Black Lives Matter movement is so important. And that it’s not enough to be passively anti-racist; we must take a stand, and we must take action.”

    The point is not that racism does not matter, but that definitions and remedies differ dramatically. Many mandarins have failed to recognise – as they failed with Brexit – that other views legitimately exist. They appear not to understand that their views, publicly expressed, undermine the neutrality of public service. What due diligence have they done on the organisation Black Lives Matter? It is a lazy assumption that, just because of its title, BLM must be right, and that taxpayers’ money should be spent in its cause. The mandarins are allowing HR departments to be used as a battering ram for political activism, undermining the Government’s right to make policy.

    These trends suggest that the present Government is right to try to recall the public service to its chief duty, which is to stop striking attitudes and to make policy work. Hence the coming reorganisation of the Cabinet Office, the search for a new Cabinet Secretary and a new head of the Foreign Office – and the quiet but firm moves against all these woke Sir Humphreys.

    A couple of BTL comments:

    “The Civil Service is there to support and enact policies and legislation as decided by the elected Government. They are not there to thwart or manage their own agendas, or as I believe is happening at the moment, discredit the Government. This sickness is at the top and it needs addressing. We could for example, start with the MOD, who’s role it is to remove the Army, Navy and Airforce whilst keeping themselves in a job.”

    “Covid is not the disease we should fear, this marxist infection is far more dangerous.”

    1. 323098+ up ticks,
      Morning HJ,
      In the main charlie got it right, the main fault is the political close shop, three party’s pro nearly ex eu assets, and an
      electorate locked into keeping / putting “their” party in/into power.

      The welfare of the Country and the countries infrastructure are a secondary issue.

      These three party’s have not changed in many ways since
      24/6/2016 same party’s, same politico’s, same in many respects rubber stampers,same in the main electorate giving the politician carte blance once again.

      The electorate are voting for the political ghosts of yesterday in supporting lab/con today, there is not one iota of integrity in the current treacherous coalition.

    2. Democracy was terminated when Lynne (now Baroness) Featherstone introduced a public consultation over a law that had no overwhelming public support, was not in any party election manifesto, nor in any Queen’s Speech, nor was tested in a Green Paper or a White Paper, and was a fundamental redefinition of an institution that goes back to biblical times. The whole thing was guillotined through Parliament where opponents, in a very time-limited debate, had to battle for the Speaker’s eye for their three minutes, along with supporters and the two front-bench spokeswomen on both sides of the House, Maria Miller and Yvette Cooper were given 45 minutes each to speak in favour.

      Featherstone announced that we would get it whether we liked it or not, and all the public consultation was about was to decide how to implement it at the greatest speed.

      It set a legal precedent that damns the nation today.

      What, after the Equal Marriage Act got Royal Assent by the Head of the Church of England in 2014, is the point of parliamentary democracy or a constitutional monarchy?

    3. But COVID and BLM have flushed a lot of these covert marxists into the open, for which we should be thankful. The enemy is identified, by name, and measures can be put in place to thwart them.

      1. Along the same lines, I have come to the conclusion that there is a wide spectrum of opinion about the Covid-19 pandemic ranging from “over-cautious” to “over-reckless” following/ignoring of Government rules. And both extremes (and every degree in between) are viewed by their supporters as being the only correct one – from “Rather safe than sorry” all the way to “No-one is going to curtail my liberty”. It has opened my eyes to which of my friends and acquaintances are at one extreme or the other. Which helps me to see them more clearly in all future interactions.

      2. Along the same lines, I have come to the conclusion that there is a wide spectrum of opinion about the Covid-19 pandemic ranging from “over-cautious” to “over-reckless” following/ignoring of Government rules. And both extremes (and every degree in between) are viewed by their supporters as being the only correct one – from “Rather safe than sorry” all the way to “No-one is going to curtail my liberty”. It has opened my eyes to which of my friends and acquaintances are at one extreme or the other. Which helps me to see them more clearly in all future interactions.

    1. Is it to do with some recently expire coolie who no-one has ever heard of but is all over the Daily Dumbells? Reportedly he died of colon canker – they can’t even spell Covid properly.

    2. I don’t get it. Actually, I often don’t get what Bob’s cartoons are getting at.

        1. So you’re saying (© Cathy Newman) that Boris thinks that dressing himself as Batman will make him lose a few pounds, and that Robin has self-declared himself as a scaredy cat. Or perhaps that Peddy and Missy are looking up a recipe for Roast Bat before heading to Waitrose to do their shopping for Sunday lunch?

          :-))

        2. Thanks for the explanation, Boss. I do struggle a bit with Bob, and this one was no exception.

      1. #metoo.. I only posted it in the hopes that one or more of our more trendy woke brethren would explain it to me (and you).

    1. ‘Morning, Bugsy.

      ‘todos’ is plural, ‘estas’ is singular, hence ¿Cómo estáis?

    2. “Como están?”, BSK. “Todos” is plural.

      PS – Why are you writing to us in Spanish as if you were Peddy? And why am I correcting you as if I were Peddy?

      :-))

  8. Morning all. How some doctors have failed us …….

    SIR – A worrying trend that I have recently encountered is patients reporting that their GP practice is closed or that phones are not answered when they try to ring.

    Sometimes patients report speaking to a GP and being asked to call 111 for a face-to-face appointment with the out-of-hours service.

    As a result, doctors such as myself who work in out-of-hours practices see far more patients, who are not best managed in these settings. They need either ongoing care from a GP or specific referrals.

    This all has the potential to compromise patient well-being and delay suspected cancer referrals. NHS England was clear in its recent update on GP contracts that all practices must deliver face-to-face care where clinically indicated. At present this is not happening.

    I would ask all my colleagues in general practice to reflect on this. If I can see patients, why can’t they?

    Dr Milan Dagli

    Harrow, Middlesex

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    SIR – Neil Mortensen, the President of the Royal College of Surgeons (report, August 28) estimates that NHS surgeons are working at 50 per cent capacity because of procedures to protect against the Covid-19 virus.

    Why are these still in place when (by the only measures that matter, deaths and hospital admissions) the epidemic is over and has been for some time?

    This egregious damage to health services, the economy, education and social cohesion has gone on too long.

    John Black FRCS

    President, Royal College of Surgeons 2008-11

    Malvern, Worcestershire

    SIR – The sterling efforts of health workers in the NHS cannot hide the fact that a radical overhaul is long overdue for the NHS itself.

    With face-to-face appointments with a GP almost non-existent, with ever-lengthening queues for life-changing replacement surgeries, with cancer treatments curtailed or postponed, with many hospital wards still without patients and with private hospitals effectively closed for business (while they work out their lucrative contracts with the NHS), is it not time for a change?

    The response to the Covid crisis may have avoided a Dunkirk, but we are poorly prepared for overall victory and urgently need to refocus, rearm and retrain, while developing a vision of what success will look like.

    We need a rallying cry to persuade the Government that our country urgently needs an NHS fully serving the nation’s needs. To persuade Boris Johnson to be bold enough to bring about such change, what suggestions are there for such a rallying cry?

    Dr Jeremy Mantell

    West Lavington, West Sussex

    SIR – Can Matt Hancock explain why he has decided to change our National Health Service into a National Covid Service that only treats one condition. The rest of us suffer and die in silence.

    Dr Mary Castle

    Claygate, Surrey

    1. The logical response is to move the nhs from a government-controlled provider to a private-sector provider. The banning of patients that stops the money flow would sharpen their focus somewhat.

      1. Herr Oberst, I thought that the “woke” version of a full stop was X and not (=”)

  9. SIR – Extinction Rebellion is threatening to disrupt the bank holiday weekend (“Extinction Rebellion to target airports over bank holiday weekend as part of new protest action”, telegraph.co.uk).

    I hope the police will act more quickly and firmly than they did last time, when they stood by and let disruption happen.

    Duncan Rayner

    Sunningdale, Berkshire

    1. Nah – they’ll be handing out vegan meals – and dancing and clapping along with the urban terrorists.

      1. “… dancing and clapping along with the urban terrorists … and their ‘uman rights lawyers.”

  10. SIR — I ate at a local upmarket pub recently and ordered “seasonal vegetables” (Letters, August 27).

    I was thoroughly disappointed to receive a dish of broccoli and carrots. I suspect these are served throughout the year, regardless of the huge variety of vegetables growing in gardens in August. The manager did accept that this was somewhat unimaginative.

    Lorimer Burn
    Guildford, Surrey

    Tell you what, bloke with two surnames, instead of frittering away your money in an “upmarket pub” (it can’t be that upmarket if it only has broccoli and carrots) why not pop down to your local greengrocer, buy a selection of tasty vegetables for a fraction of the cost your pub charges you, take them home and cook them for yourself. Or are you as clueless about cooking as you are about your choice of pub?

    1. Is there anywhere in England where it is not possible to grow a glut of runner beans and courgettes in August?

      1. Dunno, but I certainly enjoyed some of my glut of runner beans yesterday.

        Before the days of home freezers, mum and dad would cut their excess runner beans and layer the slices with salt in an old large glass sweet jar with a screw-top lid. On Christmas morning mum would remove some, soak them in water to remove the excess salt, then boil them and we had fresh-tasting delicious runner beans with our Christmas dinner.

      2. Dunno, but I certainly enjoyed some of my glut of runner beans yesterday.

        Before the days of home freezers, mum and dad would cut their excess runner beans and layer the slices with salt in an old large glass sweet jar with a screw-top lid. On Christmas morning mum would remove some, soak them in water to remove the excess salt, then boil them and we had fresh-tasting delicious runner beans with our Christmas dinner.

        1. One of my favourite tasks was grinding the large block of salt into loose grains. Great fun.

          1. Gosh, Bill. There’s something I haven’t thought of in half a century: block salt! I recall the large (2 pint?) pot full of it on the side of the cooker.

    2. The words ‘upmarket pub’ and ‘manager’ in the same context speaks volumes about this bloke’s judgment. Pubs perceived as ‘upmarket’ will have an owner, a publican, a landlord or a proprietor. Managed pubs are rarely, if ever, ‘upmarket’.

        1. I can. 12 noon, Wednesday, November 6, 2019, the Glassblower PH, Glasshouse Street (off Regent Street), Piccadilly/Soho, London.

          I met Toots and Zaharadelasierra; we enjoyed a pint or two and a jolly good chinwag.

          1. Blimey – that made me remember the last time. The Admiralty, Trafalgar Square; 2 Dec 2019 with the MR, my daughter-in-law and grand-daughter.

            It wasn’t bad.

            We had been to the Royal Institute of Oil Painters Annual Exhibition at the Mall Galleries. My grand-daughter (aged 13) is a very capable painter – and was fascinated. Lunch was followed by visits to Christie’s and Sotheby’s., the viewing for their winter auctions are an education.

  11. One to ponder: from Charles Moore’s DT article.

    “Another document for schools – an “inclusive package for ALL young people” – circulated by an LGBT organisation, the Proud Trust, and backed with money from the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport, introduces the “Dice Game”. On each face of each die is a word (or words), such as “penis”, “anus” and “hands and fingers”. Players are then invited, having rolled the dice, to think of exciting things to do with the combination chance has thrown up. This almost paedophilic fantasy is aimed at children as young as 13…”

    1. Good morning Anne , yet on the commercial channels we are viewing serious celebrities begging us all to save tiny children in Africa from sexual predators .

      This country is awash with organisations who are filling young impressionable minds with filth , or auto suggestion.

        1. I have on my bookshelf a description from a famous Dutch diarist, written in 1944:

          “I don’t think boys are as complicated as girls. You can easily see what boys look like in photographs or pictures of male nudes, but with women it’s different. In women, the genitals, or whatever they’re called, are hidden between the legs. …

          Everything’s pretty well arranged in us women. Until I was eleven or twelve, I didn’t realise there was a second set of labia on the inside, since you couldn’t see them. What’s even funnier is that I thought urine came out of the clitoris. …

          When you’re standing up, all you see from the front is hair. Between the legs there are two soft, cushiony things, also covered with hair, which press together when you sit down, and they’re very red and quite fleshy on the inside. In the upper part, between the outer labia, there’s a fold of skin that, on second thought, looks like a kind of blister. That’s the clitoris. Then comes the inner labia, which are also pressed together in a kind of crease. When they open up, you can see a fleshy little mound, no bigger than the top of my thumb. The upper part has a couple of small holes in it, which is where the urine comes out. The lower part looks as if it were just skin, and yet that’s where the vagina is. You can barely find it, because the folds of skin hide the opening. The hole’s so small I can hardly imagine how a man could get in there, much less how a baby could come out. It’s hard enough trying to get your index finger inside.

          That’s all there is, and yet it plays such an important role!”

          Could any such thing be written today, as a guide written by and for a 14-year-old?

          1. You’re right! She was born in Frankfurt in 1929, and moved to Amsterdam when the Nazis came to power in 1933.

  12. Just glimpsed the front page of today’s DT. Lord Haw Hall all over it telling us the beeboids have to be even more diverse than hitherto. “Divisive” more like.

    Presumably he wants more and more of the sort of garbage I spent a few minutes watching last night (described below).

    1. A large part of the Farming Programme this morning was introduced by a bit of horrible rap followed by a piece where there were encouraging black farming methods to the UK.

      Transition from Rhodesia to Zimbabwe along BLM/Mugabe lines methinks. Time to stock the larder and load the shotgun?

      1. Having spent the last 37 years living in the country (here and in France) I have never seen a black person employed in agriculture. Not one.

        1. I know an excellent hard working builder, decent family man, who happens to be cafe au lait.
          He once went into a property to quote for some work, and when he returned to his van, he hadn’t been given the job. When asked why, he said “They didn’t like the colour of my elbows”.

  13. A question in today’s DT “Pub Quiz”: How many counties are there in Northern Ireland? reminded me of an acronym told me by a teacher when I was about nine. FATLAD gives you: Fermanagh, Armagh, Tyrone, Londonderry, Antrim & Down.

    I suspect, though, that for Catholics this will be FATDAD.

      1. Cavan, Donegal and Monaghan, all in the Republic of Ireland, are part of the traditional region of Ulster. That makes the total nine.

  14. For reasons I outlined below, we have not been legitimately governed for six years now, despite three meaningless general elections.

    What are we going to do about it, once we shed the supervision of the EU at the end of this year?

    1. 323098+ up ticks,
      Morning JM,
      The one thing that must be done is that anyone running an “opposition” campaign is thoroughly checked out, otherwise a repeat performance of the recent past is on the cards, guaranteed.

  15. Morning all. Having endured ‘healthy’ breakfasts of grain-based muesli type stuff (or Trill, as I prefer to call it), I have, at last, identified a source of proper bacon in France. This morning I enjoyed fried bacon and mushrooms on toast. Luxury in these parts!

  16. Military dog receives animal equivalent of VC for tackling Al Qaeda insurgents in Afghanistan on Special Forces raid. 29 August 2020.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/000645416f2974c160de1ca9bb9835c80876a3b7fd060c819fcc8eddc609c104.jpg

    A military dog is to receive the animal equivalent of the Victoria Cross for tackling Al Qaeda insurgents in Afghanistan as part of a special forces raid.

    Kuno, a three-year-old Belgian Malinois, was wounded in action during the battle in 2019 whilst serving with the Special Boat Service. He is to be awarded the Dickin Medal later this year.

    Yep. He’ll be in court on charges of racially motivated biting in a couple of years!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/29/military-dog-receives-animal-equivalent-vc-tackling-al-qaeda/

    1. Richard (Moh) and I nearly crashed the car when we heard that on the 1pm BBC4 news yesterday .. whilst on the way to my dental appointment .

      We felt so physically sick .. the BBC devoted so much news time to this terrible anti white crusader.

    1. Our voting system is fair, it just favours the incumbents.

      Bah, who am I kidding. The eagerness for postal voting – note that the Left wing media have already started promoting it – is evidence.

      1. Postal voting should be scrapped – it is open to total abuse.

        But has Boris Johnson got the testicular strength to even think about doing it?

        By the way, does anybody seriously believe that Boris Johnson will do away with the TV licence or stamp out the Channel Illegal Immigrant trade?

        (I fear that he is completely impotent but I would love to be proved wrong)

        1. No, on both counts.

          The problem is the belief that because he is PM he somehow has power. He doesn’t. Like all ministers, they’re figureheads. The mistaken belief (not here, I imagine) is that they’re captains, familiar with their ships. They’re not. Ministers are idiots with ideas. The people responsible for getting the ideas implemented are the civil service.

          When the civil service is uninterested in minister’s idea it simply doesn’t get done, or more usually, is done with such deliberate incompetence that it’s implemented so badly that the minister is made to look a fool.

          Worse, because there are no consequences for either incompetence or malice the civil service trundles on, apathetic and uninterested in ministerial – public – interest, pursuing it’s own agenda.

      2. 323098+up ticks.
        Afternoon W,
        Our voting system is as fair as the black abbots @rse a great many are comfortable with the current one because it can bring about no threat
        to the existing voting pattern.
        They are locked into “their party” no matter it has been proved to be treacherously atrocious year on year.
        Many see no further than their nose they are at times gripping, do they see the decimation these party’s have bestowed upon the Country ? if so it is obviously not reflected in their voting pattern.

        Maybe decimation is apt with regards to the legions of peoples & covid 19 also, we will see.

  17. SIR – Sir Ed Davey, the new leader of the Liberal Democrats, said it’s time for the Liberal Democrats “to wake up and smell the coffee” (report, August 28). If that is supposed to portray inspirational leadership, then the party’s fourth leader in five years is guaranteed to go the way of his predecessors.

    D M Retallack
    Dorchester

    SIR – Sir Ed Davey came second in the previous Liberal Democrat leadership election to the stupefyingly naive Jo Swinson. In this election, he beat his sole opponent, Layla Moran – another nonentity with all of three years’ experience as a Member of Parliament. What a thrilling, nail-biting contest.

    Michael Fabb
    Chobham, Surrey

    Fear not, Gentlemen; the Limp Dumbs’ leader is a well established and readily recognisable eco-loon, so the party is destined to remain in the political wilderness for the forseeable.

      1. Fear not, Ladies; the Limp Dims’ leader is a well-established and readily-recognisable eco-loon, so the party is destined to remain in the political wilderness for the forseeable future.

          1. If any force had even tried to bring out a cop car in that livery during my service:

            1. No one would drive it.
            2. Those responsible for making the decision to waste paint and commit criminal damage to police property in that way would be up on a disciplinary charge.

          2. Morning, Grizz. Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with your condemnation, no paint would have been wasted on this abomination. The car has been ‘wrapped’ with a printed vinyl(?) film, which is removable. Would still have cost a 4 figure sum, though…

          3. Evening, Geoff. Sorry to be late in replying. I wasn’t aware of that. I thought all new liveries required a paint job.

      2. Fear not, BSK; I was addressing the male letter-writers…although I must confess that, having reviewed my puny effort, D M Rettallack could be any one of at least 37 genders.

    1. 323098+up ticks,
      HJ,
      Truth be told the lib party have always been honest in the fact that they have ALWAYS been PRO EU can those
      castigating them currently ie, lab / con say they are any
      different in the honesty department ?

  18. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8676411/Fresh-crisis-Boohoo-audits-18-factories-suggest-workers-paid-little-3-hour.html

    What did anyone expect? You create a massive unskilled population. They either sit on welfare or, given the demographics are pushed into jobs. Those jobs are crappy and they’re not worth minimum wage so the workers are exploited.

    The Left don’t care. For them immigration is a weapon to hurt their enemies. For the unskilled, unneeded immigrant it was always going to end in exploitation.

    Now these boohoo people will say how awful it is and do a big investigation – which will destroy all these jobs and move them overseas. That’ll create a massive amount of unemployment, less money in the shops and high welfare demands leading to higher taxes.

    Alternatively, the workers are paid minimum wage and the price of goods will rise, leading to redundancies as fewer people are kept on which means more welfare and high taxes.

    It’s all very well for the grauniad to whinge and whine, but the reality is this situation is *their* fault. It’s as if they thought that forcing 1 and 1 to equal 3 would simply because they said it would.

    1. It all leads to destabilisation, and the opportunity for a fascist/marxist takeover resulting from all the chaos.

    2. When we learned about Victorian reforms in the workplace in history lessons at school, I never thought I would see Britain regressing to the standards of the third world country.

    3. You create a massive unskilled population

      And/or import one – which is definitely happening right now.

      1. That creature is not an artist. He is a pinko criminal damageist. I would have relished the opportunity to catch him at it and feel his collar.

        1. Oh come on, he’s pretty talented as an artist (producer of visual images). Sadly that does not equate to being a decent human being.

          1. He makes the stencils though. I think one should use any techniques at one’s disposal within reason, to produce a visual image. I sometimes use printing mixed with painting.

  19. Tipping down in yer Narfurk. And very cold. Thank goodness for the woodburner. And another pullover.

      1. I’ve given up all hope of seeing that again. Besides, cheques are sooo out this Summer.

  20. For those of you who have read the “interview” with Lord Haw Hall in the DT – and think, “Thank God he’s going” – fear not. His replacement is just as bad.

    1. I did read it earlier. He’s had 7 years to sort the BBC out and, as far as I can see, has done SFA.

      1. I am afraid he did achieve quite a lot – simply by standing by and allowing the beeboids to take over and dictate the political direction of what was broadcast.

        1. Saw the Bbc bandwagon was teetering on the brink of the steep downhill slope and failed to apply the handbrake.

    2. It is a condition of employment that the new Director-General of the BBC (spit!) must be woke-r than the previous one. At one time an almost impossible task, but nowadays they come in gay battalions.

      1. The BBC Board has today appointed Tim Davie as the 17th Director-General of the BBC. The new DG was paid £600,000 (last year base salary and performance bonus). Tim Davie’s annual salary has been set by the Board’s Remuneration Committee at £525,000.

        The process for appointing the Director-General was led by the Board’s Nominations Committee under the leadership of Chairman Sir David Clementi, with members Dame Elan Closs Stephens, Sir Nicholas Serota and Dr Ashley Steel.

        I wonder how many of those are patriotic Brexitiers.

        1. Sir David Cecil Clementi (of Italian descent) former Deputy Governor of the Bank of England, holds a number of board positions including chairman of international payments business World First. His grandfather Cecil Clementi was Governor of Hong Kong. Given review of the regulation of legal services in England and Wales by Labour peer and barrister. Baron Falconer of Thoroton.

          Nicholas Serota, art historian (loves black music). Mother, Baroness Serota (née Katz), a civil servant, later a life peer and Labour Minister for Health in Harold Wilson’s government. Harold Wilson appointed her as a Government Whip almost immediately (after election?). She had never been an MP herself. Husband of Russian descent.

          Dame Elan Closs Stephens. Born in Talysarn in the Nantlle Valley, Gwynedd, educated at Ysgol Dyffryn Nantlle and Somerville College, Oxford. One time chair of Chwarae Teg, a body that promotes the economic development of women in Wales

          Ashley Caroline Steel (born 1959) was the vice-chair and global head of transport for KPMG. Currently she holds non-executive roles on the boards of National Express, GoCo and the BBC. She has been named “one of the UK’s most influential gay people”

          1. Dr Ashley steel declined to help compile the Independent on Sunday’s ‘Pink List’. She felt uneasy about putting one lesbian above another or an old thespian behind a young gay-boy. It wouldn’t be fair.

            I can understand the dilemma.

  21. How the West was lost. 29 August 2020.

    The slowness has also hit the economy hard. In the first half of the year, Britain’s GDP shrunk by 22 per cent — twice as much as America and worse than any major European economy other than Spain.

    What went wrong? The brutal answer is poor government. There were individual mistakes — and Boris Johnson should take responsibility for many of them.
    This prime minister’s strength has never been organisation; and with Covid, the man he relies on to do the organising, Dominic Cummings, destroyed much of the Government’s credibility by taking a trip to the north and making that infamous visit to Barnard Castle to ‘test his eyesight’.

    But in general, the Government machine simply did not work. The Covid-19 crisis was like a gigantic stress test for government everywhere and Britain’s state failed the test hopelessly. Many of the problems were simple ones.

    This is an example of the Mails schizophrenia. On the one hand an obsession with what they quaintly call side boob and on the other serious reportage as here. This article is admittedly largely extracted from the author’s book but still well worth reading for its conclusions about the UK. To paraphrase Britain bears a strong resemblance to the China of 150 years ago. It is ruled by a Mandarin Elite with the aid of an incompetent, venal and corrupt bureaucracy, both having long outlived their usefulness. China has recovered from this. We shall not!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8675517/How-West-lost-JOHN-MICKLETHWAIT-reveals-coronavirus-making-China-powerful-again.html

      1. To be candide I always enjoyed these Panglossian lines in a Kris Kristofferson song:


        ‘Cause there’s still a lot of drinks that I ain’t drunk
        And lots of pretty thoughts that I ain’t thunk
        And lord there’s still so many lonely girls
        In this best of all possible worlds.

  22. Don’t ignore this because its written by Bryony Gordon.

    Coronavirus has robbed our children of their joyous naughtiness

    Instead of feeling free and fearless, our kids now cling to our sides, terrified by the idea of a killer virus on the loose

    BRYONY GORDON

    Since lockdown, my daughter has become unfailingly polite. It’s not that she was incredibly rude before… she was just a normal child, who didn’t always do as she was told, as normal children have a habit of not always doing.

    But over the summer, I have noticed a sort of transformation. She will not do anything without asking my permission first – and I mean anything. As we get ready to leave the house, she asks if it would be OK to take her scooter. When we get to the park, she asks if she can go on the swings, or queue politely with the other children for the monkey bars.

    The playground is where I noticed it first – the usual chaos of seven- year-olds chasing each other around had gone, replaced with some strange version of it, whereby they clung to their parents, a look of terror on their faces as we tried to suggest they go and have some fun.

    “Mummy, is it OK for us to go on the slide?” quivered one friend of my daughter’s. “Mummy, can we actually play ‘It’?” echoed my child.

    When I ask my daughter if she wants to talk about all of this – this being the pandemic that shut down her school and locked her in her house with her parents for several months – she looks at me as if I might have finally, properly, gone mad.

    Edie doesn’t think that this coronavirus malarkey has bothered her one bit – she hasn’t had to go to school for almost six months, hooray! – but as her parent, I am obviously allowed to say that I know better. The pandemic has affected her and her friends in ways they don’t even realise. Whereas once we would have to chase after them, breathless, to stop them from playing football in the road, now we find ourselves having to peel them from our sides.

    Our children have become our shadows. I used to dread the day that Edie became so independent she wouldn’t want to spend any time with me, but now I find myself willing it on. “What’s happened to our children?” said one mum friend of mine earlier this month, when we had to strong-arm them into a game of hide and seek. “When did they all become so good?”

    It’s not that we don’t like spending time with our kids – I am actually dreading the silence of the house when Edie goes back to school next week – more that we are fearful about what this pandemic has done to them. It may well be that no healthy child has died of Covid-19, and thank God for that, but you cannot measure the impact of this virus through its physical impact only, and many of our healthy children have been turned into fearful automatons by the coronavirus.

    It didn’t surprise me when I read, this week, of the study which had found that many children experienced “a small but significant” improvement in their behaviour and concentration during lockdown. If you want to get a human to step into line, then your easiest way is to terrify them – and there’s no quicker way to terrify children than by telling them they aren’t allowed to go close to other humans, or play in the park, because there is a deadly virus on the loose.

    It’s not the threat of possible infection that makes me anxious about the return to school next week. It’s the separation anxiety I know we are all going to experience, the absolute fear we are all going to feel as we step into the unknown. Childhood should be a time of gentle, loving fun, where boundaries and rules are set to be explored and broken. The pandemic, and all its attendant regulations, has changed that. All these frightening edicts from on high, all this judgment about our personal responsibility… is it any surprise that many children have lost the ability to be naughty? Throw in some mandatory mask-wearing at school – as has happened in Spain, for anyone over the age of six – and the immediate future of childhood looks pretty bleak indeed.

    Of course, I am sure I will be looking back at this column in absolute horror in ten years , when my daughter is not asking my permission to stay out past her curfew with friends. But right now, I just want our fun, fearless kids back. I just want them to feel free. Above all, I want them to act like the children they are, without feeling they have to ask for permission first.

      1. Don’t diminish her achievements , she also writes at length about being a permanently pissed and overweight flibbertigibbet with all the intellectual depth of a 2mm feeler gauge.

    1. The kids’ll be better off back at school, a couple of days back with their friends and they’ll be back to normal, nasty and rude.

  23. The British Museum won’t get away with pandering to wokeness

    Until our institutions are willing to stand up for themselves they will always be targets for grievance

    DOUGLAS MURRAY

    Some years ago a friend of mine was standing outside the British Museum. A tourist approached him and asked “Where is the British museum?” My friend signalled to the large, pillared building behind him. “No, sorry – where is the British museum?” the tourist repeated. The friend, fearing he had encountered a simpleton, reiterated that it was the rather large, unmissable building behind them both.

    At which point the tourist revealed that he was far from simple. “No, sorry. This is a museum of Babylonian monuments, Egyptian artifacts, Greek archaeology. But where is the British museum?” It was a great and revealing question. Most national collections involve a showcase of the best things produced in that country. But the British Museum is different. It is a museum of world civilisation.

    Intermittently, this fact comes back to bite it. Such has been the case this week. For a growing chunk of our society now regards the past principally as a fertile ground for grievance hunting. Off across the millennia they roam, searching through the savannahs of injustice precisely because they are so sure to find it.

    In recent weeks, this movement has flashed an eye at the British Museum. For in the wake of the Black Lives Matter protests, an increasing number of people are talking about reparations and the repatriation of treasures like the Benin Bronzes to their places of origin. Certainly this isn’t a new debate, but it is now happening at a time of heightened rhetoric. People and institutions finding themselves in the way of BLM are right to want to get out of the way pretty sharpish.

    So it is with the British Museum. Earlier this week the bust of Sir Hans Sloane was removed from its pedestal. While the museum was keen to hold onto the collection that he bequeathed, they were less keen to be seen to revere someone whose fortune was partly acquired through slavery. But clearly the museum’s director – Hartwig Fischer – knows where all of this could lead. It is a “simplification” he said this week, to think that a collection of 13 million objects should be regarded as stolen goods that should all be returned to their rightful owners.

    Maybe. But until people like Fischer explain what is good about their institutions – how they have preserved the world’s culture, rather than “raiding” it – their collections will remain in the sights of the vengeful, and may yet be stripped bare.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/29/british-museum-wont-get-away-pandering-wokeness/

    1. If we hadn’t rescued the Elgin marbles they would probably have been broken up and crushed for limestone.

      1. In the pubs in Kilburn High Road in the 60s it was not unusual to see a piano crash out through the front window of a Pub – quickly followed by the pianist and, no he was not just 12″ high!

        Oh, happy days with the fun-loving Irish.

      2. A bloody swish hotel that i stayed in a couple of times when the test train was stabled at Cricklewood.

    1. For many of the demonstrations, protests, riots – they won’t even bother to turn up.

  24. Top headline on BBC news website:-
    Black Panther star Chadwick Boseman dies of cancer aged 43

    Who? Who cares?

    Further down:-
    Elon Musk unveils pig with chip in its brain
    “Gertrude the pig is a prototype of a brain-to-machine interface. Mr Musk argues such chips could eventually be used to help cure conditions such as dementia, Parkinson’s disease and spinal cord injuries.”

    How wonderful. And the other uses?

    And finally:-
    Warnings after ‘huge’ Jurassic Coast cliff fall

    Some bits of rock fell onto the beach. Nature at work. Surprisingly, there is no mention of you-know-what.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-53958154

    1. I’m amazed at the stupidity of people who go the beach and then sit at the base of a cliff. Perhaps they flunked Geography.

      1. They may have failed geography. Only vacuous Yanks “flunk” things. I thought you knew that, Philip.

    2. “Elon Musk unveils pig with chip in its brain” I thought Lammy, but his chip is on his shoulder

    3. Black Panther star Chadwick Boseman dies of Covid aged 13. Killed by a Tory virus.

      No blekman gets past 19 don’t you know?

      When does the looting, stabbing and arson start?

  25. Michael Moore warns Dems: Trump voters’ enthusiasm is ‘OFF THE CHARTS!’ 29 August 2020.

    Moore continued, “I’m warning you almost 10 weeks in advance. The enthusiasm level for the 60 million in Trump’s base is OFF THE CHARTS! For Joe, not so much. Don’t leave it to the Democrats to get rid of Trump. YOU have to get rid of Trump. WE have to wake up every day for the next 67 days and make sure each of us are going to get a hundred people out to vote. ACT NOW!”

    Earlier this month, the Oscar-winning filmmaker expressed similar concern over the lack of enthusiasm for Biden, telling MSNBC, “I worry because people do need to get excited.”

    “Real Time” host Bill Maher also sounded pessimistic about Biden’s chances in the upcoming election.

    “I am feeling less confident about this — maybe it’s just their convention bump got to me, but I’m feeling less confident than I was a month ago,” Maher said Friday. “I feel very nervous, the same way I did four years ago at this time.”

    Yes its beginning to look like the Donald is going to do it again!

    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/michael-moore-warns-dems-trump-voters-enthusiasm-is-off-the-charts?cmpid=prn_newsstand

    1. Of coures he is ,the Democrats have handed it to him on a plate. If you HAVE to vote for Trump or Biden who would you vote for.?

  26. From this week’s Speccie

    Douglas Murray
    Protestors are clearing a path for Trump
    From magazine issue: 29 August 2020

    ‘This city is not going to stop burning itself down until they [the protestors] know that this officer has been fired.’ Thus spoke Whitney Cabal, a leader of the Kenosha chapter of Black Lives Matter, in response to the latest police shooting in Wisconsin. The use of the passive in that sentence is revealing.

    As Theodore Dalrymple has pointed out (see ‘The knife went in’) it is common for people to assign motive to inanimate objects when they are loth to admit to being in the wrong. I suspect that the suitably named Ms Cabal knows that the state of Wisconsin did not auto-combust this week, as Krook does at the end of Bleak House. True, there was first a police shooting and arrest. But someone must then have put a match to the place. The American public, press and politicians know that. But any willingness to say it appears now to fall along strictly party-political lines.

    It is one of the most striking things about the violence and unrest that have followed the killing of George Floyd. Not the violence, but the increasingly ostentatious desire of a portion of the population to pretend they do not see it. Some friends in New York tell me of gang robberies at restaurants in broad daylight, of lootings, shootings and boarded-up shops. ‘Peaceful demonstrations’, I am assured by other friends, who identify as ‘liberals’ though have mysteriously stayed away from the city of late.

    The same story is rolling out across America. The left says that there are nightly protests for ‘social justice’. When these protests involve mass lootings, such as those in Chicago’s Magnificent Mile, they are claimed (if acknowledged at all) to be the actions of a tiny fringe. Such dogged blindness has a clear political and cultural purpose. The political purpose is a desire to prevent the re-election of Donald Trump. The wider justification would appear to be a belief that ‘anti-racism’ is such an important omelette of a cause that a few broken eggs — or cities — is a price worth paying.

    The extremes to which this thinking can go are perhaps best seen in Portland, Oregon, where local ‘Antifa’ activists stalk the city nightly in quasi-military get-up. The participants appear convinced that their city seethes with Nazis. Even were it not the most left-wing city in America, Portland would seem an unlikely place for a Fourth Reich to be established. Still, every evening ‘Antifa’ roam the streets, often advancing behind a wall of umbrellas and homemade shields, like some post-apocalyptic Roman legion. Some nights these ‘anti-fascists’ find an elderly woman to assault. On others they pull passing motorists from their cars and kick them in the head until they are unconscious. These ‘Antifa’ are merely the forward phalanx of a portion of America now dedicated to weeding out an essentially phantom menace, who won’t be content until they have ripped up their country, or burned it down, to find their enemy.

    Their point of view could do with being refined, or corrected. Instead most of the American media — not to mention the leadership of the Democratic party — pretends that these events in Portland are not taking place. Or are the invention of the ‘alt-right’.

    If there is a couple who have come to epitomise this fork in reality it is Mark and Patricia McCloskey. They are the couple from St Louis who made headlines in June when a BLM protest broke on to private property. Fearing for their lives, and their notably elegant home, the McCloskeys came out on to their terrace with their guns and stayed there until the protestors left. This week they made a five-minute appearance at the Republican convention.

    Of course, this year’s convention is virtual. But so is one of the versions of the couple. Because from the moment images emerged of the McCloskeys guarding their house, two versions of them came to exist.

    The first is the one they presented at the conference. They are two law-abiding home-owners. A protest broke on to private property and they asserted their right as American citizens to defend their home. No shots were fired, yet thanks to the activist local circuit attorney Kim Gardner, the McCloskeys are now charged with ‘unlawful use of a weapon’, which is a felony. None of the people who broke on to the property have suffered any harm.

    That is because Attorney Gardner is acting against a second version of the McCloskeys. This version might be summed up by the headline in which the Washington Post announced their convention appearance: ‘St Louis couple who waved guns at BLM protestors will participate in GOP convention.’ Put like that, you might feel that the McCloskeys had it coming. ‘Waving a gun’ is a somewhat nonchalant, as well as dangerous, thing to do. Nonchalantly waving guns at BLM protestors is another thing altogether.

    In defence of this version, there was the iconography: Mr McCloskey in crisp chinos and nice pink polo shirt; Mrs McCloskey holding her tiny little pistol and looking a little deranged. Very hard to sympathise with them. Not like the nice Mr Floyd.

    But you know, a couple of months ago Mrs McCloskey was sitting in the home she and her husband had worked their lives to create. The mob started by shouting: ‘Racist!’ Audio of the event shows that at least one member of the crowd shouted: ‘We gonna kill you, bitch.’ Soon a man in the mob was screaming: ‘I’mma rape you, bitch.’

    ‘You can’t stop the revolution,’ the group’s Marxist ring-leader bellowed at the couple through a bullhorn as the mob milled. That ring-leader has since been given the Democratic nomination to enter the US House of Representatives as Congresswoman for the area. So she’s done nicely out of it. And if Mrs McCloskey is the loser — well then, ‘social justice’ or something.

    Most of America must know this is wrong, just as they know that the cities aren’t burning themselves down. But only one half of the country remains willing to identify the fact. Perhaps the half that stays silent believes that after getting what they want at the ballot box, some greater good will emerge. But I wouldn’t be so sure. What they are doing is giving Donald Trump his best shot at four more years in office.

    ***********************************************************************

    BTL:

    Demosthenes • 2 days ago • edited
    People see what they want to see. I’m reminded of the Nick Sandman controversy last year, where a video emerged showing a group of white school-kids dancing and singing around a Native American ‘elder’ who was standing amongst them, with one boy in particular wearing a MAGA hat and what appeared to be a mocking smirk. The BBC story, along with the rest of the left-wing media, exploded, immediately assuming the boy and his classmates had chosen to confront and humiliate a poor, innocent, oppressed Native American, motivated by nothing more than naked racism. It subsequently turned out that the wise ‘noble elder’ and his friend had actually been the ones to approach the schoolchildren while banging their drums and chanting, not the other way around, and video footage proved that the school kids had never chanted ‘build the wall’ or anything like it as the man had claimed (lied). In addition, it soon became apparent that the kids had even been verbally assaulted with vile racist abuse by a group of passing Black supremacists (Hebrew Israelites) shortly before the incident in the initial video. I guess I must have missed the follow-up articles correcting the initial mistake and explaining that it was in fact the white school-kids wearing the MAGA hats who were the victims, and the Native Americans and Black men who were the victimisers.

    As we saw with the 28 year old ‘child refugee’ who drowned in the channel, it’s always very telling when the BBC suddenly stops promoting a story they’ve sunk their teeth into. In both cases, they saw what they saw because that’s what they wanted to see, what they expected to see. It’s basic human psychology to want to accommodate new observations into one’s pre-existing model of reality, rather than have to adjust that model accordingly. Especially when that readjustment would require changing one’s most basic assumptions about reality. This is as true for those on the right as much as those on the left. It just so happens that the right’s model of reality is much closer to the truth than the left’s. And that, ultimately, will be their undoing. Let’s just hope they don’t bring down our civilisation along with them.

    Blindsideflanker Demosthenes • 2 days ago
    I think Nick Sandeman has had the last laugh, CNN has had to settle with him on a $275 million lawsuit .

    JamesR • 2 days ago
    It’s not all bad news Douglas. The Notting Hill Carnival has been cancelled this year. So business owners won’t need to board up their premises, many people won’t be stabbed thereby relieving the pressure on our overstretched NHS family.

    Tons of rubbish won’t need to be cleaned away. Vomit and urine won’t need to be hosed off the streets and drug dealers will face a substantial loss over the comparable period last year.
    Steel bands will not be heard and obese women in skimpy costumes will not be seen. Nor will woke police officers. Too many of whom seem to think that taking part somehow improves community relations and the image of the police in general. It doesn’t.

    Admittedly, independent jerk chicken sellers will take a hit and in these Covid19 times that’s unfortunate but on the plus side they will still receive their benefits. So that’s of some comfort.

    Every cloud..

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/protestors-are-clearing-a-path-for-trump

    1. I do not believe that the “carnival” will not take place. There are far too many bames for whom raves and drugs are just too much to ignore. They will be out on the streets after dark. People will be murdered. You read it here first.

  27. The West’s response to Covid shows we have succumbed to a Medieval mass neurosis

    Throughout 2020, we have become a society enraptured by medieval superstitions

    JANET DALEY

    Can this really be happening? The British are famously – and proudly – the most difficult people in the world to terrorise or bully. The population that stood with tireless phlegm and humour against relentless bombardment, that made its historical mark with an unflinching rationality which never permits hysteria to sweep the public discourse – must now be chivied into leaving the confines of their own homes or the safe harbours of their immediate neighbourhoods.

    Where did this come from? Well, on the one hand, it is perfectly clear: with an official government campaign deliberately designed not only to inculcate fear but to suggest that protection against the great threat was simple and clear-cut. And furthermore, obeying the “stay home” edict would not just protect you and your immediate family but the rest of society as well. So locking yourself away was a moral obligation as well as an insurance against personal danger. The combination of anxiety and appeal to conscience was unbeatable – even when it involved deprivations of liberty which would once have been unconscionable.

    So where are we now? Trapped in a state of what appears to be a spiral of fear so profound that it has become a permanent condition.

    Of course, as everybody has said, the government’s incoherent messages have something to do with this: one day there is solemn talk of an inevitable “second wave” and the next day… well you know the rest. But how much of this epidemic of national trepidation is pretext? We gather that a great many professionals – particularly those in the service industries on whom the British economy depends – are really quite smugly pleased with their new home-based arrangements. They are so relaxed, it seems, that when government ministers try to tell them that, actually, they might be putting their jobs at risk by becoming permanent ghost-like unpersons in the workplace, they rise up indignantly – as if refusing to venture into the office was now a right.

    In fact, of course, the new government advice is simply common sense. If an employee can do his job from home indefinitely, so could a floating free-lancer who will be owed no security, no sick leave, no health insurance, pension benefits or parental leave. All the protections and rights which employees have won over the generations will count for nothing once managements discover that most of the functions now carried out by those in formal employment can be done anywhere by people prepared to carry out the same functions on their own premises (and providing the necessary equipment at their own expense).

    But surely those clever professionals in their home offices could have come to this conclusion themselves. Anybody who has ever worked in an organisation knows that there is more to a successful career than simply doing the tasks that are required. So why has such a large cohort of the educated population suddenly become so perversely obtuse about what was once a commonplace of adult life?

    There has to be something bigger involved in this startling social development which nobody, so far as I recall, foresaw. Nursing my own personal grief over the loss of the cultural landmarks of the year – the concerts and the theatre, the opera and the art exhibitions – it suddenly struck me that virtually all of these events had been hit recently by their own traumatic identity crises. I found myself thinking aloud: “Western culture has been considering a means of suicide for awhile – maybe it’s finally found it.”

    In moments of despair it had occurred to me that there was something of a medieval Dark Age about the current mood: Extinction Rebellion with its child saints and the self-flagellating Woke culture. Being given an apparently sound reason to disable the most notable manifestations of that historical tradition which we are now being encouraged to denounce: what could be better suited to the weird, vaguely hysterical, fashion of the times? Fear may be the most dangerous contagion but I am coming around to the view that this is not simple fear. It is a mass neurosis of which irrational and prolonged anxiety is a symptom: a corrosive loss of confidence and understanding of one’s role and identity which will, if it prevails, ultimately undermine the quality of modern life more irrevocably than any virus.

    It is not only our official cultural institutions that are at risk here. One of the most fundamental principles of post-war liberal democracy is on trial – or, at least, coming up for examination.

    The pandemic has been a moral predicament at least as much as a health crisis. When this whole bizarre chapter is finally over, the questions that needed to be put, but for which there was no time, will be luminously clear. How much should we have asked the general populace to sacrifice in order to protect what we knew, almost from the start, would be a quite small, vulnerable minority? Is personal liberty – normally of unquestionable value in a democracy during peacetime – expendable when healthcare systems are under sufficient strain? Where exactly do we draw the line on the right of governments to dictate the terms of personal relations?

    Perhaps we have learned more than we wished to know about the assumptions that underpin government in the modern era. If, for example, we accept that the state should provide healthcare in some more or less comprehensive form, does that mean that it has the right (or even the duty) to ensure that its medical infrastructure is not threatened? And does that provision oblige the state to put the protection of every individual life above, say, the quality of life of the unaffected majority? Is that the essence of the modern political conscience, and if it is, hadn’t we better discuss it openly?

    So there was an odd mix here: on the one hand, the very modern idea that it is the duty of governments to prevent a single life being lost – a notion which the medieval mind with its fatalistic acceptance of mortality would have found absurd – combined with a darkly superstitious dread of some unfathomable threat. Everybody is saying that we have lived through a strange time. It may have been stranger than we knew.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/29/wests-response-covid-shows-have-succumbed-medieval-mass-neurosis/

    1. That’s what comes when you don’t teach two generations about Christianity.
      People stand for nothing and fall for everything.
      She’s wrong to say it’s medieval, in fact it’s pure pagan. We’ve lost the knowledge that Jesus died for our sins, which frees us from human guilt, and we’ve reverted right back to the days of sacrificing (our petrol cars and much else) so that the sun will rise again tomorrow.

  28. Nicked from The Grimes. Made me smile this shyte afternoon:

    “Barcelona are believed to be keen to sign Jesus “

  29. ‘Morning, all.

    Today is the 70th Anniversary of the deployment of the the first British troops to Korea. The Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders and the 1st Middlesex Regiment landed at Pusan on the 29th of August 1950.

    After three years of heavy fighting, the North Koreans and their Chinese allies were pushed back to the 38th Parallel and the status quo ante was resumed. I know it’s easy to be wise in hindsight, but how different the world might have been today if only the US had used its nuclear weapons against the commies. The Russians, despite much huffing and puffing had no capability to respond at that time and they knew it, while Red China would have been put back in its box.

    1. I would be very wary of this.

      Both pictures might be true and taken at different times, or equally the new Tweet might not be true.

      1. I am much obliged. I know that part of Lunnon like the back of my hand – and I knew it wasn’t either place mentioned in the “tweets”.

      1. 323098+ up ticks.
        Morning KP,
        Drs in inquest believe he died of drug overdose if current it would surely have been covid.
        My belief is he fell foul of the submissive pcism &
        appeasement unwritten law.
        He did not have the same approach to
        bacon / pigs & pig husbandry as cameron the recent tory PM had shown.

  30. Are you a Brexit supporter? This is what Labour politicians, BBC executives and most remainers think of you.
    .
    .
    .
    “Labour MP Neil Coyle caused outrage when he called Brexit-supporters “absolute sh*tbag racist w*nkers” in relation to the row, and a BBC producer added to public concern when she compared the ordinary patriotism of Britons to the Nazi gas chambers”.

    Remember the next time you vote or pay your TV licence you Nazi, sh*tbag racist w*nker, you!

      1. But you’re a nice NoTTLer, Jeremy. No way would I call you a Silly Sausage.

        :-))

      2. On the subject of low language – something really British: poetry, class and bums, an unbeatable combination.

        “I once sat next to a duchess,
        Sat next to a duchess at tea,
        Her rumblings internal
        Were really infernal
        And everyone thought it was me.”

        The Duchess when pouring the tea,
        Asked “Do you fart when you pee?”
        I replied with some wit,
        “Do you belch when you shit?”
        And I think that was one up to me.”

        1. “There was a young man from Dundee
          Who was stung on the neck by a Wasp
          When asked ‘Did it hurt’?
          He said ‘No, not a bit’
          It can do it again if it wants.”

        2. When I sang this in a concert with a choir in the 1970s, we rhymed ‘abdominal’ with ‘phenomenal’, but the second verse is new to me.

          Mozart was rather partial to this sort of humour, I believe. It was a staple in the masonic lodge in Vienna.

        3. I once took part in the Kaffee und Kuchen (coffee & cake) ritual* when staying with friends in north Germany. They had invited their neighbour, who was also their landlady. As this enormous beast sat, taking up the whole of a 2-sater sofa, her guts rumbled continuously, as she consumed large portions of all 3 cakes on offer, but far more disconcerting was a faint intermittent mechanical sound. My thoughts, which, try as I might, I could not banish, went to a colostomy pump. That idea robbed me entirely of my appetite.

          Later it was explained to me by my hosts that what I could hear was an insulin pump. Too late; that didn’t restore my appetite.

          *The ritual takes place all over Germany, usually on a Sunday afternoon, about 4 pm. Prior to that, grown-up sons can be seen hurrying from bakers’ shops at midday, armed with a box of cakes for their Pflichtbesuch bei Mutti (duty-visit to their (widowed) mothers).

  31. Education / Schools -? ?

    From an article in the Telegraph –

    “Another document for schools – an “inclusive package for ALL young
    people” – circulated by an LGBT organisation, the Proud Trust, and
    backed with money from the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and
    Sport, introduces the “Dice Game”. On each face of each die is a word
    (or words), such as “penis”, “anus” and “hands and fingers”. Players are
    then invited, having rolled the dice, to think of exciting things to do
    with the combination chance has thrown up”

    OMG – Words fail me – – – –

        1. Not with my back these days! But as you say, words are hard to find to describe the acceptance of these ideas.

    1. Whatever one thinks of homosexuality Pride is one of the deadly sins.

      I am heterosexual but I take no credit for the fact – I am neither proud nor ashamed of the fact.

      So whether or not homosexuality is a sin, homosexuals who subscribe to the Gay Pride movement are guilty of a deadly sin.

      [Is there something wrong with my logic?)

      1. Well the word Pride is probably used to counter the word ‘shame’.
        Possibly it is due to a poor translation years ago, but to be ‘houseproud’ is scarcely a sin. Nevertheless, homosexual people are wont to re-purpose standard words, eg ‘gay’ and ‘marriage’ and ‘cottage’.

  32. Easiest way to screw up BLM graffiti – get a spray can and add an ‘O’. This is what you get
    Black Olives Matter.
    That’s better.

    1. If you see a BLM graffiti, just add this below:-
      BLM
      UOU
      ROR
      NTD
      …..E
      …..R

      Edit: – Spaces didn’t work, so I added full stops – just omit them when writing.

  33. Morning all……walls and ceilings archs ‘n’ skirts all finished, oh well back to work,….. only 32 cupboard doors and drawer front to rub down and paint now.
    Three coats on each……..see you next month some time. 😏

      1. It’s in the post………..
        Wadda ya fink of this Bill ?

        If someone comes to my house to test me, these are my house rules:
        1. You can’t come to my house if you have been to someone else’s house or anyone who could potentially have COVID. You must self-quarantine for a period of 14 days and then you’re allowed to come to my house to test me. This applies to you and any other person with you.
        2. Before testing me, you must have your temperature checked and you must take the same test you intend on giving me.
        3. You must answer a three page questionnaire, initial every page, and sign the document and have it notarised. Everyone with whom you come in contact must be fully tested and you must self-quarantine for a period of 14 days. This is serious stuff. We’re all in this together!
        4. You must provide documentation showing the test you intend on performing has an accuracy rate higher than 95% as documented by at least two reputable independent national labs.
        5. You must be ready to explain in your own words, and to my satisfaction, the term, “informed consent.”
        6. You must allow me ample time to review any documents you may want me to sign with my solicitor, and you must agree to pay any legal fees stemming from any such legal review.
        7. If/when we get to #7, we’re ready to try # 1 again.

        1. That is far too long winded. Here are my house rules:

          1. You knock on my door and tell me that you are here to test me.
          2. I give you ten seconds to f*ck off and promise never to come back again … ever … or I’ll introduce you to Mr Machete.

          How easy is that?

    1. How easty is to replace the window bit of velux windows. The wooden bit of the windowframe of the glass bit is badly worn , and the glass is mildewed inside , the velux windows are the only things we didn’t replace when we had new windows a few years ago .

      1. Anything that is part of the glass surround is going to be a problem it will effect the double glazing aspect. A complete replacement might be a better option. About a days work. plus the window. Prices for the various sizes can be seen on line Belle.

  34. On the wet and windy bank holiday Saturday – just to brighten your day:

    August, cold and dank and wet,
    Brings more rain than any yet.

    Bleak September’s mist and mud
    Is enough to chill the blood.

    Then October adds a gale,
    Wind and slush and rain and hail.

    Dark November brings the fog
    Should not do it to a dog.

    Freezing wet December, then
    Bloody January again!

    1. Alternatively:

      August brings the sheaves of corn,
      Then the harvest home is borne.

      Warm September brings the fruit,
      Sportsmen then begin to shoot.

      Fresh October brings the pheasant,
      Then to gather nuts is pleasant.

      Dull November brings the blast,
      Hark, the leaves are falling fast.

      Chill December brings the sleet,
      Blazing fire and Christmas treat.

      [from: The Months, Sara Coleridge]

      1. Good morning, Grizzly.

        Your post reminds me of the parody of Philip Larkin’s famous poem (but I know you will disagree heartily with the last line!):

        They tuck you up, your Mum and Dad
        They read you Peter Rabbit, too.
        They give you all the treats they had
        And add some extra, just for you.

        They were tucked up they were small,
        (Pink perfume, blue tobacco-smoke),
        By those whose kiss healed any fall,
        Whose laughter doubled any joke.

        Man hands on happiness to man.
        It deepens like a coastal shelf.
        So love your parents all you can
        And have some cheerful kids yourself.

        1. Good afternoon, Rastus.

          Au contraire, I’m all for cheerful children … as long as there aren’t too many of them.

          1. As a schoolchild I was taken to see Coleridge’s room in Highgate.
            I was (wrongly) impressed that some visitor had ridden all the way from the West Country simply to interrupt the poet’s sleep.
            Yehudi Menuhin’s house was nearby.

  35. How can SAGE be trusted to get anything right when there is an obvious conflict of interest thanks to the vaccine promoting Gates Foundation multi million dollar funding of Oxford University, Imperial College and the London School of Tropical Medicine which are SAGE board members, and the apparent personal friendship between Bill Gates and Hancock/Whitty/Johnson ?

    ”Matt Hancock warns a ‘worst case scenario’ could see UK go back into nationwide lockdown or ‘very extensive’ local restrictions this winter – as SAGE warns of 85,000 deaths in second wave”

    Looks like multi million dollar, multi billionaire related, conflicts of interest don’t matter in the UK and that everyone is happy to just look the other way because it’s so much easier and doesn’t rock the boat.

    https://twitter.com/nikolovscience/status/1260335204033376256

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8675593/Health-Secretary-warns-extensive-lockdowns-event-second-wave.html

    After all, where did Neil Ferguson’s funding come from?

    None other than Bill Gates!

    1. To all modern liberal parents: This is all your doing. You have bred and brought up a generation of utter, unreconstructed, cretins.

      I’m terrified to even think what the next generation — i.e. the one that this coterie of gormless imbeciles shall no doubt breed — will be like.

      1. He’s a DJ, a sub-species of the barely human race that I have a particular dislike of, in my admittedly personal opinion there are 1. talented popular musicians, 2. talentless popular musicians who use volume as a substitute for talent and then there are DJs who attempt to ride on the back of 2 with even more volume.

    2. There was a golden time , oh years ago now, that he would be quietly taken to a nice old Victorian pile in the countryside with lots of rooms with no sharp corners and very soft walls where he could continue his discourse with other likeminded souls.

    1. I’m sorry for anyone who died young, but I had never even heard of him until today.

          1. I passed through there on the way back from Malaya in 1979. There was an old woman seated in the gents toilets at the airport selling sheets of bog roll paper. Ceylon is beautiful from the air – red earth and shiny leaved tea plantations.

          2. It’s beautiful at ground level too, especially around Candy & the view from the top of Sigiriya Rock is spectacular.

  36. ‘Morning All

    Nicked comment

    “I am now afraid. All of the below is from U.K. Government Documentation. Not
    tin foil hattery, but official Government policy documents and data.

    19th March 2020: U.K. officially but quietly downgrades COVID 19 as not
    being a high consequence infectious disease due to low mortality rate.

    Between then and now: UK government enacts policies that destroy the economy, health service provision and education.

    24th August, with minimal people in hospital and almost no deaths,
    government announces plans to test up to 4m a day on a rolling basis- so
    retesting and retesting.

    As at today, NHS statistics show the
    astonishingly low figure of just 305 people in total under the age of 60
    that do not have pre existing condition have died from covid 19. Out
    of a population in England of 56 million

    28th August. Government
    document describes the pandemic as the worst thing this country has
    faced since the Second World War and outlines plans to:

    – authorise emergency use of unlicensed vaccines
    – authorise mass publicity campaigns for unlicensed vaccines
    – authorise huge recruitment of non healthcare professionals to give the unlicensed vaccine
    – give unlicensed vaccine provider companies immunity from liability.

    29th August Government outlines plans for rolling lockdowns in the event of CASES increasing.

    Conclusion: I am afraid of my Government.”
    #MeToo

  37. I mentioned the graffiti man, Banksy (real name Robin Gunningham) recently. The ‘Arschloch’ has been revealed to be funding a ship bringing migrants from North Africa to Europe. Ex public schoolboy probably has a crush on one of them – might even be female… but I doubt it.

    1. That ship has been sending out distress signals during the night. Engines have failed & it is overloaded.

      1. A similar demo of 18,000 (police estimate) has been broken up this afternoon in Berlin by the police because of lack of social distancing & face masks.

        1. It amuses me that police everywhere seem to be quite happy to wade in on these demonstrations but won’t touch BLM or ER or lbqwerty demos.

  38. Authorities ignoring our pleas, says crew of Banksy-funded rescue ship. 29 August 2020.

    A rescue boat financed by the British street artist Banksy is stranded at sea after the crew helped 130 migrants, with requests for help from the European authorities being ignored, the ship leaders said.

    The vessel, named Louise Michel after a French feminist anarchist, set off in secrecy on 18 August from the Spanish seaport of Burriana, near Valencia, and is now in the central Mediterranean, where, on Thursday, it rescued 89 people including 14 women and four children. It is nowsafeguarding more than 200 people off Libya’s coast.

    How can it be “stranded”? This would imply that it no longer had power for its engines which would place the crews lives in jeopardy and make it a hazard to navigation and in need of a MAY DAY call! It hasn’t done this. It just keeps making calls for the “Authorities” to come and take the Migrants on board. This has just succeeded and 59 of them have been taken off. What we have here is an attempt to import more of these people into Europe. That their numbers are for all practical purposes limitless completely evades these do gooders.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/29/banksy-european-authorities-ignoring-pleas-crew-migrant-rescue-vessel

    1. Stranded implies hat it has run aground or been beached. Neither is the case. (German: der Strand – the beach).

      1. They are only about fifteen miles off shore. They could return these people easily!

  39. I see that TV licences are cheaper in the Irish Republic than they are in the UK. This is surely good news for any Brits that own a Murphy TV.

    …… I’ll get me clàrsach …..

    1. Tonight’s supper is:

      Pork & Mushroom Chinese Curry with Egg Fried Rice … Pork & Mushroom Chinese Curry with Egg Fried Rice.

      1. Pork & Mushroom Chinese Curry with Egg Fried Rice … Pork & Mushroom Chinese Curry with Egg Fried Rice.

        Does it repeat on you instantly – or later ?

        1. Dunno. I was just following this forum’s trendsetter, who invariably repeats his drinks.

      1. I’m having single malt Glen Grant 12 years with single malt Glen Grant 12 years. :•)

      2. I’ll try that tomorrow. Can’t have another tonight, as I’m opening a bottle of white Rioja with the Dover sole.

        1. “… I’m opening a bottle of white Rioja with the Dover sole.”

          I usually use a corkscrew – it spares the Dover sole from trauma …

          1. Copper Alembic still, sat on the top of a tea urn (with a tap…). Bought from Bideford last year.

        1. Don’t like Absolut. Too sharp. Russian Standard or Stolly for me, when I’m buying the stuff.
          Homemade much improved after activated carbon filtering. Almost like Stolly.

    1. How odd, there was nothing about this in the national news!
      This video has only about 5550 views at the moment, but everyone should see it.

  40. What a shyte day. The rain has just stopped – and it is supposed not to start again. It has rained all day without ceasing.

    I shall go and open a bottle of something medicinal.

    Have a jolly evening – I shall diligently search out an all-bame programme on the telly – and suggest you do, too, if only to prepare for the ever-worsening future.

    A demain.

    1. You can start with the First Night of Proms. “BBC Proms begins with music by black British composer ‘exploring themes of identity'”. That should put you in a nice frame of mind for the evening.

      1. In Turkey the call to prayer is broadcast several times a day over a PA system which we hear all too clearly on the boat. The noise is most unpleasant and sounds like the wailing of an animal being slaughtered. You learn to identify which imam is doing the wailing by his tone and his phrasing so we ask ourselves which Bob is doing the business today.

        Why Bob? Because Bob Marley’s backing group was called the Wailers.

  41. Miraculously we were able to run five weeks of our French courses in Brittany before new quarantine restrictions came into force.

    We announced the dates of our two October courses a few days ago and already most of the places have been reserved – but shall we be able to run them or will the current restrictions still be in place?

    At the beginning of September we usually announce our February Half-Term and Easter holiday course dates for the following year.

    How many of these courses shall we actually be able to run? It is a great shame that so few people in politics have the remotest idea of what running even a small independent business entails. Fou comme le merde d’un cochon as they don’t say in these parts!

  42. Rivals plan Fox News-style opinionated TV station in UK. 29 August 2020.

    Rival efforts are under way to launch a Fox News-style opinionated current affairs TV station in Britain to counter the BBC.

    One group is promising a news channel “distinctly different from the out-of-touch incumbents” and has already been awarded a licence to broadcast by the media regulator, Ofcom, under the name “GB News”. Its founder has said the BBC is a “disgrace” that “is bad for Britain on so many levels” and “needs to be broken up”.

    A rival project is being devised in the headquarters of Rupert Murdoch’s British media empire by the former Fox News executive David Rhodes, although it is unclear whether it will result in a traditional TV channel or be online-only.

    Both are pitching to a perceived gap in the market for opinionated video output fuelled by growing distrust of the BBC among some parts of its audience, especially on the political right over culture war issues such as Brexit and whether Rule, Britannia! should be sung at the Last Night of the Proms.

    I’m not a fan of politically slanted TV channels; I would prefer neutral coverage from just one or two. But if we are to have a BBCWoke Service then we might as well have its opposite!

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/aug/29/rivals-plan-fox-news-style-opinionated-tv-station-in-uk

    1. The BBC has never ever been neutral. Lord Reith knew it was been taken over by the left all those years ago when he was the D.G.

      1. Glad someone else pointed that out!
        I’m fed up with comments saying “oh the BBC used to be so great and now they’re biased.”
        No, they were always biased to the left and wanting to destroy traditional society!

    2. Please not a Foxnews like channel. A right leaning news source would be nice but Fox is not news, just woke level upset at anything left of Genghis Khan.

      I have tried looking at the fox news web site to get a balance to CNN but frequently all of their main stories are about perceived indiscretions by anyone not backing Trump.

    1. He had best not make that too public over here. Everyone knows he is a lefty Democrat but backing the Guardian would have him called a socialist and that is frowned on in the US.

      Throwing his money into a charitable foundation is an American thing, quite a few do it. However, supporting the Guardian is a step too far.

      One of MILs pensions comes from the Guardian, I suppose that the good news will be that the pension is safe.

  43. Being at a loose end I searched the internet to see whether any of the building contractors, joinery companies, fibrous plasterers, stainless steel fabricators, masonry companies, specialist bronze fabricators, and so on, those I worked with in the seventies and eighties in London, are still in business.

    All have vanished. The last to go into liquidation was Jordan Engineering of Yate in Bristol who manufactured the fully welded stainless steel framework supporting the ornate brick and stone frontage of Richmond House in Whitehall. Their specialisation was the manufacture of flasks and pipework for the nuclear industry. I fully expect they will be replaced by a Chinese imitator on Hinckley Point.

    I reckon many established and fine companies will be no more after the Covid hoax is finally terminated. I believe many sensible people can now see the deception and nonsense perpetuated by self interested politicians and the utterly corrupt global elites.

    Our supposedly expert medical theorists are shown to be fools and compromised by conflicts of interest so blatant as to be otherwise unheard of in modern times. Yes, I refer to Gates’ funded charlatans such as Ferguson, Whitty and their friends in various University and private Pharma laboratories. The evidence is there for all to see.

    1. Hi, John. Were I to return to the fray, I frankly wouldn’t know where to start. Laing’s pension scheme continues to pay out every month, but for how long? I see that Holloway White Allom has now been dissolved. Laing’s old Regional Office in Carlisle (where the whole company started, before being shunted in the direction of Mill Hill), is now an Aldi supermarket.

      1. I don’t want to barge in on a conversation Geoff , but is this the same Laing you are refering to?

        Pictures of post-war workers heading off on their summer holidays have been added to an online archive.

        Historic England has spent almost two years digitising 10,000 pictures from the John Laing Photographic Collection for public viewing online.

        The latest and last to be added are 700 pictures taken by John Laing photographers for the construction firm’s in-house newsletter Team Spirit.

        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-53938491

        1. The past is a foreign country, with no mixed marriages and no Afro-Caribbean BBC continuity announcers.

          1. Fascinating articles , my late father would have been familiar with Laings… In the 1950’s were they known as Wimpey, Laing and Holloway brothers?

          2. All separate in the 50’s. Laing had joint ventures with Wimpey in the Middle East in the Seventies. Holloway Bros (see Corim’s post) were taken over by Laing, as part of Holloway White Allom. One of HWA’s most prestigious jobs was the Royal Albert Hall: those white circular thingies hanging from the roof were theirs, and improved the acoustics.

            Laing was founded in 1848; one of the earliest projects was a house in Sebergham, Cumbria. (Sir) John W Laing was the next generation. He was staunch Plymouth Brethren, and, by all accounts, treated his workers with rather more compassion than was normal.When he died, his estate was worth.. hundreds. Much had been given away. My Mum was the recipient of a number of grants from Laing’s Charitable Trust. I guess I would also qualify if I asked.

          3. Morning Geoff , it was either Laing or Holloway who employed my father in Egypt and when we were caught up in the 1956 Suez crisis, huge civil engineering project out there, I think in association with the Suez Canal contractors, all British expats . It was meant to be a 10 year contract, lasted a year ! Prior to that he worked in the Sudan .

        1. Cheers, DM. That was a wee bit before my time. My old man was a Safety Officer for Laing. Actually, he would have been Group Chief Safety Officer, had he not had the misfortune of being in the back seat of a car travelling through Shap early in 1963. It collided with a reversing truck, and he was no more. On the bright side, it saved me from having to grow up in Mill Hill…

          1. PS – Just noticed the company car on the left. My father never passed a driving test; he had a company BSA bike, but was also allocated a company Ford Popular. We had the handbook at home. That could conceivably be his car in the photo…

      2. Yup I know. My favourite joiners in London were Victoria Joinery an Holloway White Allom subsidiary. They did some of the best joinery at Richmond House and later they made the oak Queen Mary’s Bower and the radiused oak steps to the parterres at Hampton Court Privy Garden, for which I was the Architect.

        Their joinery and fibrous plaster shop were in the old HWA works in West London. The last contact I had with HWA was the contract for Tusmore House near Bicester back in 2002. (Wafic Said’s country pile).

        Edit: VJ were on Magdalen Street in Earlsfield, originally Holloway Brothers then taken over by John Laing mid sixties. Workshops long gone and now a housing estate. They made the joinery for a swathe of HWA housing from Earlsfield to Wimbledon.

        1. Much of Laing’s Page Street head office is now gone, in favour of housing. The building in Bunns Lane survives – unlike its doppelganger in Carlisle. which has been demolished to make way for an Aldi supermarket…,

        2. Earlsfield Baptist Church had a J W Walker organ, surplus to requirements. Twenty-odd years ago, I, along with two organist colleagues, spent a few days there, dismantling the instrument, and took it back to darkest Suffolk, where it spent a few years in storage, before being used as the basis of the organ at St Laurence, Eriswell.

          1. The replacement Allen digital instrument was inaugurated by Nigel Ogden. Cost around £25k, but never sounded like anything other than an electronic organ.

    2. You be careful.

      Someone will accuse you of saying all the government and people in charge are sosraboc

      1. We watched the dvds of that series a while ago. Very haunting music if I recall correctly.

        1. Yes – and the action is gripping. We hadn’t seen the first series before. One more episode to go.

          1. No – we use the same one all year round – just shake the feathers down a bit when we want a bit more warmth or less. Our bedroom seldom gets too warm as it’s north facing.

    1. Assuming the picture you posted a while ago really was you, I saw your doppelganger this evening at the marché gourmand.

      Even HG agreed it was the spittting image of the picture you posted!

    1. I like the ‘definitely would’, it sounds like a guilty cover for ‘not really’. He protesteth too much.

  44. The green road scheme is an ideological Trojan Horse

    TELEGRAPH VIEW

    The green road scheme, imposed under Covid emergency measures, is a mess; some councils are already u-turning on it. But we’ll really see the consequences of this crazy experiment when pupils go back to school in England and Wales this week.

    Councils have exploited the virus as a chance to shut roads and expand cycle lanes without consultation. Such things are not automatically bad, but done this sloppily, on this scale, has led to traffic jams, high streets devoid of custom and severe problems for emergency vehicles. As always, officials have scant understanding of the necessity of the car: disabled residents, for instance, have seen a short journey transformed into a trek around the houses. The schemes also appear to despise the freedom to choose, convenience and democracy. Exercise should not be compulsory.

    Behind all of this is incompetence mixed with ideology. One fashionable idea is the “15-minute city” whereby everything is designed to be within 15 minutes’ reach – not unlike the Soviet microdistrict, which promoted communal living and increased political control. The 15-minute city is almost anti-human, because it purposefully aims to limit horizons. Never mind those whose family lives miles away, or whose place of worship isn’t around the corner. School choice would go out of the window, as every child would attend the local comp.

    Only trendy urbanites could favour 15-minute cities, and the infection of the Tory party with such ideology is a worrying sign. Why did Grant Shapps launch this scheme, allow it to run riot and, seeing it’s a disaster, not roll it right back?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/08/29/green-road-scheme-ideological-trojan-horse/

    1. Hmmm. Sounds like Agenda 21 / Agenda 2030 is going according to plan. Won’t be long before rural dwellers like me are forcibly removed to rabbit hutches in ‘smart cities’. For our own good, obviously…

  45. ‘My beating was so brutal I can’t sit’: British ex-public schoolboy, 31, left with horrific injuries after being caned 24 times while tied naked to a frame in a Singapore jail gives the first account of his barbaric punishment (D Fail)

    Tough luck buster. Don’t be a mug. Don’t deal in drugs.

    When are we going to start dealing with UK scum like this with Singaporean style justice?

      1. “…they are poisoning and killing idiot drug taking people for money.”

        And? Surely they are doing society a service?

        1. Problem is, they rob the rest of us while they are on their downward spiral.
          EDIT: darn, there was a page break and I didn’t see that the conversation had continued with corimmobile making the same point.

          1. Therefore the more of them that perish, the fewer of them that will be left to nick your possessions.

          2. Indisputably correct. Then we are left with complaining that the drugs aren’t killing them fast enough.

          3. Oh that is so last year, all that they do nowadays is claim covid layoff support payments.

        2. Problem is, they rob the rest of us while they are on their downward spiral.
          EDIT: darn, there was a page break and I didn’t see that the conversation had continued with corimmobile making the same point.

      2. 323098+ up ticks,
        Evening TB,
        Which party’s was / is responsible for bringing this odious foreign, in many cases, selection of criminal sh!te to these Isles,and are
        these / this party / party’s still finding support because as we witness the odious issue is still very much ongoing.

    1. Caning on his bum, how gentle. What happened to the good old cane on the hand.

      Stop sniveling boy, go back to your class.

    2. I well remember the whining when some youngster who was keying/paintspraying cars for fun got the same
      Of course they never expected to get caught as in the UK or USA the crime would be ignored but in Singapore crime levels are so low a detective squad was assigned to the case
      Swiftly caught,swiftly tried,swiftly caned
      Result

    3. Over my time at Blundell’s I certainly had more that 24 strokes of the cane (but never more than 6 at a time) but I never dealt in drugs or anything nasty and most of my failures to adhere to the school rules were relatively trivial. Of course in my day it wasn’t considered quite the thing to whinge and whimper – one had to show that one could ‘take it like a man’ without the smallest sign of watering up.

    4. 323098+up ticks,
      Afternoon P,
      Never, because there is a great deal of nasal play operating, what with a good % of the electorate gripping their nasal passages voting in more of the same, and
      I strongly assume a good % of the governance politico’s using the hooter as a hoover, k vaz springs to mind.

  46. Afternoon nottlers one and all.

    I’ve just read the letters in The Garden magazine and just have to vent my spleen. The letters are all about “diversity and inclusivity” and people bleating on about their own “racial prejudice, where are all the BAME horticulturalist, too many white faces in the business”. I am sick and tired of all this woe, woe is me, “I have been subconsciously racist but now I shall be redeemed”.

    Surely, if anyone Is interested in horticulture to the extent of making it their career they will do so. Is the RHS actively preventing them in their chosen career? I really have had enough. I think I’ll go and eat worms.

      1. No, doesn’t say, but 3 long letters of the 6 published are on the theme. I quote: “in the wake of the BLM protests worldwide and discussion on diversity, race and inclusion within the horticultural industry, this is a crucial time”. It goes on … and on. “The Society has been actively listening to our members who have expressed concern about these important issues. There will be RHS updates over the coming months but in the meantime here are some letters from members”.

          1. I am sure that, like many others in this forum, I don’t care What race, colour, creed, gender or otherwise a presenter is as long as they are not ramming some other subject Down my throat and as long as they know what they’re talking about!

          2. Yes , say I , screeching highly, I can cope , just about.

            I also don’t care really, but I do not want to be force fed race, colour, creed, gender, I just don’t want to hear anymore from them whining on, it is like the incessant prattle we hear from the royal bods in America, I feel overwhelmed , and I don’t recognise the real me as I rattle on about those topical issues .

          3. The ridiculous pair in USA are so up their own rear ends. Harry has forfeited any right to respect from us or the ROyal Family, particularly them. He is such A disappointment and HM must be utterly hurt by his comments on the Commonwealth.

          4. I’m getting to care. This BLM shonet is making me a racist, and I’m not happy about it!

          5. OI!!!

            This BLM shonet(©Bob of Bonsall) is making me a racist, and I’m not happy about it!

            If you don’t mind!!

          6. That’s the whole point isn’t it? Set everyone against each other, divide and conquer.

      1. I listened to the Radio 4/Benjamin Zephaniah link that you provided. Well, I listened to some of it. When he urged angry white men and women to also rise up against their oppressors I just started laughing and switched off.

        He is, of course, a BBC favourite. He made a few appearances in Peaky Blinders, thus making the series the equal of Father Brown by depicting black people in the most unlikely historical settings (though not equal in any other way, of course). While there was a tiny black population in Brum in the early years of the 20th century, I doubt very much that it included dreadlocked bible-bashers associating with organised crime gangs of Romany ancestry.

      2. I listened to the Radio 4/Benjamin Zephaniah link that you provided. Well, I listened to some of it. When he urged angry white men and women to also rise up against their oppressors I just started laughing and switched off.

        He is, of course, a BBC favourite. He made a few appearances in Peaky Blinders, thus making the series the equal of Father Brown by depicting black people in the most unlikely historical settings (though not equal in any other way, of course). While there was a tiny black population in Brum in the early years of the 20th century, I doubt very much that it included dreadlocked bible-bashers associating with organised crime gangs of Romany ancestry.

      3. It’s incessant isn’t it. Just as “Stay alert, control the virus, save lives”. I’m so fed up with it all.

        1. Totally pushed in our faces , and things that we didn’t really focus on are there now in the forefront.

          We are now seeing our good selves dismissed and discarded .

          I was furious because a well known councillor decided the National Anthem wasn’t for her and we should have Land of hope and glory instead that Imperialism and Colonialism was to be frowned on . These are the attitudes of thirty somethings who haven’t a clue !

          1. People should not be able to become a councillor so young – they have so little experience of how things really work. I have to say our politicians are on the young side too with most of them now career politicians and they are useless. They seem totally divorced from the practicalities of life in their gold plated pensions, unchecked expenses, subsidised meals and drinks.

            And don’t get me started on all the quangos, the bonfire of which has never materialised. Now instead of SAGE or, rather, as well as, we have the Joint biosecurity committee I think it’s called and instead of PHE we have the National Institute for Health. (No doubt run by the same bods). And they want a brand new building in which to work! Only £367m or thereabouts! They are so insulated from the real world and the public. I have such contempt for them all.

          2. So do I, but we are persuaded not to speak out , nor given the opportunity to raise issues that the Woke bods find uncomfortable.

            You cannot even call a spade a spade !

          3. I like him as well, he has an old head on young shoulders,

            His career is stuffed , but my word he has principles , and he is the epitome of an Englishman in the old fashioned sense . He has stature.

            Even though he has a quirky lifestyle , he shows so much strength of mind , and speaks common sense and he speaks for me or us / everyone I think.

          4. He’s 42 which seems about the right age to become an MP having had some experience of real life.

          5. According to CQS (Chartered Quantity Surveyor) magazine, some decades ago, the wonderful thing about the English language is that we’re free to describe the above as a ‘spade’, or a ‘Subterranean Void-Enhancing Implement’…

          6. No they don’t like being called spades. I believe that persons of colour is the accepted term nowadays.

          7. We have a mayor and a MP in Norway who have just left school! Whilsst they may (?) be fine people, they have absolutely zero experience of life, and should be dismissed as silly schoolkids who know nothing.

          8. I never thought I would say this but I think war, from time to time, is good for the psyche and soul of a nation. It reinforces priorities.

      4. I listened to the Radio 4/Benjamin Zephaniah link that you provided. Well, I listened to some of it. When he urged angry white men and women to also rise up against their oppressors I just started laughing and switched off.

        He is, of course, a BBC favourite. He made a few appearances in Peaky Blinders, thus making the series the equal of Father Brown by depicting black people in the most unlikely historical settings (though not equal in any other way, of course). While there was a tiny black population in Brum in the early years of the 20th century, I doubt very much that it included dreadlocked bible-bashers associating with organised crime gangs of Romany ancestry.

        1. depicting black people in the most unlikely historical settings

          It’s kind of ironic that the future was the first era depicting black people in unlikely settings. How or why would there be black people on a starship? Why would we colonise other planets and then bring black people along?

          The future first, then the present day and now history being pozzed as well. Somehow that seems to be the wrong order but clearly makes sense to TPTB.

    1. Me neither but Lewis Hamilton is supposedly deeply upset by his passing. I assumed he was black and sure enough he was, more black than coffee coloured Hamilton.

      1. I wonder what Lewis Hamilton’s Mum thinks of her son’s increasingly strident views on racial issues.

        1. Hamilton was born on 7 January 1985 in Stevenage, Hertfordshire, England, 30 miles north of London. Hamilton’s mother, Carmen (Larbalestier), is white British, while his father, Anthony Hamilton, is black British, making him mixed-race; he self-identifies as black.

    2. Nor me – it occupied the prime spot on the beeb news last night – sad that he was only 43 but the neame meant nothing to me.

      1. The sole was so good, it was enough to make one thankful that God invented fish.

      2. Black Stump. Fabulous wine. We have both the normal Durif grape and some Reserve made with Sirah.

        1. It’s been my favourite for years! White might have been more suitable with the fish but it was already open.

    1. I went to Morrisons todat (instead of yesterday in the pouring rain) and it was almost back to normal, apart from the sanitising stations and facemasks. No queueing for the checkouts and I could unload my shopping while there was someone in front.

      1. Our Morrison’s has been back to normal for several weeks now and neither Alf nor I wear masks when we go shopping. We have seen only 3 other people without a mask and that’s only in the last week. I still can’t believe how many people are wearing them when shopping. Some even wear them in the street and along driving their cars. Unbelievable sheeple!
        Edit: We are both “vulnerable”, age wise and medically. We refuse to be muzzled.

        1. Quite so, Maggie, and I know your local Morrisons well. Since it was a Safeway. My nearest is now in Aldershot. The face nappies are supposed to encourage the terrified sheep to venture out, but they’ve had the opposite effect on me, and everyone else I know. I rarely shop in person since they were introduced. I’ve had deliveries from Morrisons, and I see I can now get their stuff via Amazon. Actually, I had a delivery from Amazon Fresh today, but I chose Booths stuff. They’re based in God’s Country (i.e.The North), and are on a par with Waitrose. Saves me from shopping at their most Southerly branch, which is Knutsford.

          1. Blimey Geoff, Knutsford! Interestingly we have only been asked once when entering Waitrose “No mask today?” John said I’m exempt p, then the “ guard” said “and you madam?” Just said afraid so. In Sainsbury’s there are announcements asking shoppers to understand if some are not muzzled. The government has dug itself a hole and can’t now think of how to wriggle out of it.
            Edited No instead of Lon.

        2. I wear mine just for shopping – not because I feel vulnerable, but it’s less hassle than standing out from the crowd. I certainly don’t wear it in the street or in the car.

          1. I refuse to wear one. If challenged I would happily say my doctor has seen my without a mask as has one of the nurses and a hospital consultant has seen me without a mask. I would then ask what they know about my medical condition that they don’t. Nobody has had the courage to challenge so far except the a ‘security’ chap at Waitrose.

          2. Each to his own of course but It’s a great pity that more people don’t shop minus mask because, apart from one or two glances when I’ve been in a shop, nobody says anything. I really think this is all about controlling the public. Infections may be increasing, possibly due to testing, but deaths from the virus are very few and far between. And if Boris really wants people back in their offices he’s got to drop the social distancing and mask wearing rules. The thing is, when are they going to dispense with all these regulations, there seems to be no hint of it in the near future. Are people willing to wear masks into 2021?

            I’ve also been into the chemist minus mask to pick up a prescription. Nobody said a word. The chemist wore one but his assistant did not.

      2. This is good news! Hancock will be waving his fist and muttering about lockdown and getting bowled over in the Christmas rush when even the scaredy cats will have given up on their masks.

        1. He is a total idiot. How he is the minister is just frightening. He looks and sounds more like a german propaganda minister of 1936

          1. Proof of his inadequacy has been his friendship with Bill Gates and his failure to connect the dots. Perhaps he already has Gates’ implant. He seems to have no mind of his own.

          2. I think he’s a clone of a Zombie and does have a mind at all. Sounds like the talking clock.

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