798 thoughts on “Friday 1 November: Voting Conservative is the only way to secure a general election result that delivers Brexit”

  2. Good Morning Folks,

    Bit damp outside this morning.
    Don’t forget a pinch and a punch the first of the month.

  5. Good morning, all, on this wet morning. Fire cleaned and lit.

    A VERY happy month to you.

    1. I was going to light the Rayburn today, but it was 14 degrees C outside, so the oil is coping fine. Plus I haven’t been well and didn’t feel up to it.

  6. We watched an excellent programme about Russian television. Three things stuck out a mile.

    First, that TV (MSM) in the west (think beeboids, Sky, ITN) is JUST as biased in its propaganda and “editorial” line.

    Secondly, that Putin is a consummate TV performer. No autocues; calm, authoritative, no bluster – the complete opposite of Treason and Johnson.

    Thirdly, what a stroke of genius to have the swapped spy Anna Chapman presenting her own show. Brilliant showmanship.

    They allow a TV channel called Rain to broadcast alternative views. Unlike here.

    Only slip – When they were dealing with the Skripal “event” – and had the two KGB blokes on the prog – they failed to ask them just what they were doing in Salisbury.

    1. It’s much easier to act as Putin does if the interlocutor knows that if they acted like Burley they would be gulagged.

          5. In all the masses of Anti-Russia/Putin Fake News, Propaganda, Disinformation and Lies produced by the West’s Intelligence Agencies no one has yet suggested that the Gulag still exists in any form. Though after this exchange that will probably change!

        2. I saw a prog about what looked very much like a gulag in, I think, the ‘nineties. Something to do with Perm.

    2. What were they doin’ in Salisbury…. …presumably aiming to take massive amounts of drugs and shag local prostitutes…. ….just as they’d done the night before in London….

  8. Trump says Johnson and Farage could form ‘unstoppable force’. Thu 31 Oct 2019 18.24 GMT

    Donald Trump has intervened in the UK’s nascent election campaign, calling on Boris Johnson to team up with Nigel Farage to form an “unstoppable force” and claiming Jeremy Corbyn would be “so bad for your country”.

    Speaking to Farage on LBC Radio, the US president also said Johnson’s Brexit deal could prevent the UK from agreeing a trade deal with the US.

    Morning everyone. This is true but it’s not going to happen; at least formally. The Tories are relying on the Brexit Party having calculated the chances of Corbyn becoming Prime Minister if they contest all the seats; (which would split the Brexit vote) and deciding that it is an unacceptable risk and that the only way to prevent it is to contest only Labour seats. This way Boris avoids any entanglement with Nigel Farage, protects his own seats and weakens Labour. Nigel is going to announce the Brexit Party’s strategy later today so we shall see. If he says that they are going to contest them all there should be signs of panic at Downing Street pretty well immediately.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/31/trump-says-johnson-and-farage-could-form-unstoppable-force

    1. The only way to bring the Conservatives round to doing a deal with Farage is if the Brexit Party have a candidate in every seat.

      1. Morning Bob. Yes. Boris might have miscalculated here. Nigel hates the tories BRINO and might very well decide to call his bluff!

          1. Only 2 MPs (who proved to be, in Carswell’s case, something of a Trojan horse in my view).

          2. Farage and TBTB will have ensured TBP have enough to make it ineffective, just like UKIP.

      2. And fighting ever seat is the only option Nigel F. has if wants to keep Red Leave Voters on side….if those voters suspect the Nigel F. simply wants the BP to be the Blues in disguise, those RLVs will melt away from the BP, just as they did when Nigel F. tried to make UKIP a ‘Blue Mob MKII’.

  9. Morning

    SIR – I joined the Brexit Party because of the duplicity of Theresa May and her Remainer supporters. Nigel Farage and his party have helped to keep the fight to leave the EU alive.

    However, a split in the Leave vote – of the kind that happened in Brecon and Radnorshire – could have disastrous consequences.

    For the good of the country, I will support the Conservative Party.

    Colvin Williams
    Beverley, East Yorkshire

    SIR – I have always respected Mr Farage. He has been one of the most significant politicians of recent times.

    However, given that his party has no chance of delivering Brexit, it would be an act of political vandalism to split the Leave vote and risk a Labour government, with the likelihood that Jeremy Corbyn will be replaced by someone even more dangerous.

    Ron Butcher
    Great Dunmow, 
Essex

    1. SIR – Those who have vision are positive. Those without it are negative.

      Jeremy Corbyn’s decision to fight the election negatively, with personal attacks and pledges to go after the wealthy, highlights the paucity of his understanding.

      His dreams are likely, if realised, to be our nightmares.

      Alexander Hopkinson-Woolley
      Bembridge, Isle of Wight

    2. Yo Epi

      May I fiddle

      However, given that his party has no chance of delivering Brexit, itwould be an act of political vandalism to split the Leave vote and risk a
      Labour government, with the likelihood certainty that Jeremy Corbyn will be replaced by someone even more dangerous.

    4. But a vote for Nigel Farage, in an electoral pact with Johnson, would be the only way we could get a proper Brexit. The worst result possible would be an outright Conservative victory as staying in the EU is a better option that the May/Johnson Surrender to the EU ‘deal’.

      There was a somewhat gloating article in the Figaro a few days ago. It said that the Johnson deal was even worse for Britain that the May WA was.

      1. Morning Peddy,

        Why indeed , I wish ..

        The dogs also woke up and wanted to go out into the garden , then they came indoors soaking wet, and needed to be dried off, then clattering and crashing around noises , no peace.. Once I am awake , that is it..

        Pinch and a punch for the first day of the month .

          1. Oi, you beat me to it by about 10 minutes. But that’s only because your silly “Trick or Treat” joke last night robbed me of 20 minutes of my precious beauty sleep.

            :-))

          5. “Had to”?!?!? Did your parents stand over you with a belt to force you to read them?

    2. Yo T_B

      Good heavens, the MSM not printing the truth.

      I thought that was resticted, by law, to anything pro Brexit

  11. SIR – I have just celebrated my golden wedding anniversary, having been married on the 13th and lived at number 13 ever since.

    I think this clearly disproves the unlucky theory, but please don’t ask my wife.

    Owen Hay
    Colchester, Essex

      1. I was never in the scouts, or the cubs, or the sea cadets.

        I was an ace with the I-Spy books.

        1. You spoilt my follow on!
          I was going to say I bet your favourite game was “Ich sehe was, was du nicht siehst” which doesn’t sound right to me.
          But I bet you had all the Observer books.

          1. “Ich sehe ‘was, was du nicht siehst” is correct, but note the apostrophe before the first ‘was’ – stands for ‘Etwas’.

            By using the 2nd ‘was’ as a conjunction, you avoided the daß/dass controversy. Well done!

          3. But I wanted “I spy with my little eye” and Google Translate came up with something completely different. is that what they call it in Deutschland uber alles?

          4. Yes. You cannot expect direct translations always to make sense. That applies to the titles of books, films, etc.

            The Germans have a (now antiquated) expression: “Er hat einen toten Vogel in der Tasche” which translates as “He has a dead bird in his pocket”, but can you guess what that means?

            He has just farted.

  13. LibDems target up to 70 seats for pro-Remain pacts with Plaid Cymru and Green party. 31 OCTOBER 2019 • 8:56PM

    The three pro-Remain parties are in talks over pacts where they would stand aside to give the candidate with the strongest chance of winning a clear run at the seat and so avoid splitting the anti-Brexit vote.

    I watched the LibDems representative on Question Time. She’s as barmy as Swansong!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/31/libdems-target-70-seats-pro-remain-pacts-plaid-cymru-green-party/

    1. I fear the LibDems far more than Corbyn. Not because I think they will get a majority but because they might well hold the balance of power. I remember the damage they caused the last time they were in the position of power-brokers.
      Combine Corbyn and Swinson and the UK could end up deeper in the EU than we have ever been.

      1. Swinson is a good talker. their policy is clear. They start with 13m Remain votes.

        1. I’m very far from convinced that all remain voters and all leave voters will swap their votes from their usual party. My guess would be that perhaps a quarter to a third might.

          I would assume an almost total return of Clegg’s voters from 2010 plus say a third of the non-Libdem leavers and I would guess the total Libdem popular vote (without a pact) will be in the region of 9 -10 million maximum.

          1. Well, we think the Brexit thing is important. I am assuming that all UK citizens will believe the same, that everything else hinges on Brexit , in or out. If they don’t then all bets are off.
            If people are voting on the basis of minimum wages, money for the NHS etc etc, then who knows?
            If they do realise that Brexit determines all of these and much, much more, there are only two sure routes, Brexit Party out, Lib/Dem in.
            Of course, the Brexit Party may be a scam of the opposition to take votes from the Tories.
            The only fairly clear thing is that the Remain stance is clear coherent and Lib/Dem.
            The Leave stance is fragmented, Labour are unclear and incoherent, and the Tories have not merely bungled the last three and a half years, they have already betrayed the British people to a foreign power.

          2. “If they don’t….”

            Nearly 28% of the electorate “Did Not Give A Damn One Way Or The Other in ‘2016” as they simply did not vote….

        2. I should not be surprised if some of those 13m remain voters had changed their minds. Not all remainers are anti-democrats.

    2. In Wales the main contender to the two main parties is Plaid. The Lib-Dems are very weak in Wales. There are one or two areas where the Lib-Dems have a presence but outside of those areas they hardly pick up any votes. It should be good territory for the Brexit Party as Wales overall is not happy with Labour and it is not strong Conservative territory. The Conservatives used to pick up most of their votes in the Rural areas but they have been losing ground there

      2017 Results

      Lab 48.9% (26)
      Con 33.6% ( 8)
      PC 10.4% (4)
      Lib-Dem 4.5% (0)
      UKIP 2% (0)
      Green 0.3% (0)

    3. The British people really do not like being taken for a ride and treated as fools. It has become very clear to many that something has gone wrong with our politics. At least with Leaver Conservatives and The Brexit Party working together, they are trying to uphold the referendum result and get us out of Europe.

      If there is such a blatant attempt to manipulate the result of a general election by those trying to overturn the referendum and keep us in Europe, then I can see more than a few people voting against it out of sheer bloody-mindedness.

      1. Morning Meredith. Unfortunately there is something called the Oggy Principle. He may be irritating, even maddening, but there is more than a kernel of truth to his observation that people will continue to vote, not only as they have always done, but even against their own most obvious best interests!

        1. Yes – that was true in the past, and you will still get some knuckle-draggers who call themselves Conservatives who will vote for Theresa May even after she tried to ally with Corbyn and Labour to sell our country to the EU.

          But that number is far less now. Many have now seen the reality of what many of our politicians are and they see the choice ahead of them. Ogga is not being “clever” by spotting tribalism, it has been known about for decades. But in this election more people see the truth. We are voting to either be free of the EU or under their control.

          Both main parties lied to our faces at the last election by saying they would take us out of the EU, that is the only reason that they won. If you really want to get the British people moving and taking action then lie to their faces. There will be far fewer “tribal voters” on the left and right this time.

          The Liberals will do what they always do, which makes them a class of people that should be studied. 🙂

          1. When I was leafleting for the EU elections I was buttonholed by some chap who declared, “Corbyn is the answer!” Quite what the question was I couldn’t establish. There are still a few pin a red rosette on a donkey types – and this is a true blue constituency.

  14. Orpington crash: One dead and 15 hurt as buses and car collide

    One person has died and 15 others have been hurt in a crash between two buses and a car in south-east London.
    The crash occurred on Sevenoaks Road in Orpington at about 22:10 GMT on Thursday.
    London Ambulance Service said one person was pronounced dead at the scene and 15 people had been taken to hospital. Three have serious injuries.
    A man who was driving the car has been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving, the Met said.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7d92e803814f7821061f098dd64bcf9c834ae53d9a1bc2dcc05cc44c1a70f571.jpg

  15. Mobile phone loophole for filming drivers ‘to be closed’

    The government plans to close a legal loophole that has allowed drivers who use mobile phones to film or take photographs to escape prosecution.
    It is illegal for drivers to call or text on hand-held phones but some have dodged punishment for taking photos.
    In July, a man overturned a conviction for filming a crash, saying he was not using his phone “to communicate”.
    The government aims to revise the laws to also include browsing the internet and searching playlists while driving.
    It says the current legislation has fallen behind advances in smartphone technology.

        1. So what’s new….the only difference between Blues and Reds is that different groups get shafted and rewarded by the Blues and the Reds…

          ….unless you are towards the bottom of the pile, in which case every version of HMG sets out to shaft you.

    2. That will go down like a lead balloon in Eddisbury. The constituency voted leave and is true blue territory.

  17. Samira Ahmed said she should get “danger money” for her job presenting Newswatch, claiming the BBC’s head of newsgathering had turned on her following an

    This woman is deluded. Her program is a minor 15 minute program on the BBC News channel which hardly has an audience

    1. The problem is not what the women are paid but that the men are paid too much.
      Will she settle for Jeremy Vine getting a pay cut to her level?
      Somehow, I doubt it.

  19. Dancers Hill House seen in Great Expectations film can be won for £13

    It is very difficult to sell multi million pound homes now with the huge increase in taxes on them. It has killed the market. In near bye Barnett loads are just sitting empty

    t has six-bedroom property includes a separate three-bedroom cottage in a private walled garden. In near bye Essex Rod Stewart had to knock millions of f of his property to sell it

    Nigel and Melanie Walsh, who owned the house for twenty-five years, decided to place the beloved home up-for-grabs in a raffle as their three children had left the home and they found it difficult to sell the home with the current housing market and Brexit concerns.

    A new owner is needed for a £5.25million mansion that was featured in the 1999 Great Expectations film.
    And you could own the Grade II-listed house for just £13.50.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a427874eaf7cceb3ad046b65bf6ea429e462fb039611f5fa47c995e1e865cd1d.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0162d77c612ec335b95f198c697bb0d4191d239cf9bc3d9aa234b0b116dd55d1.jpg
    The home’s claim to fame is that it was depicted as Miss Havisham’s Satis House in the film adaptation of the well-known Charles Dickens’ novel.
    Its conservatory was also used to portray the study of Matthew Pocket, Pip’s tutor and cousin of Miss Havisham.

    Dancers Hill House, located on the edge of Hertfordshire and Barnet, is a Georgian house built in 1760, surrounded by four acres of land.

    1. They are going to have to find nearly 389,000 mugs to achieve the stated value of the house.

      1. And unless you have the income to maintain it or the capital to convert it to flats or something there is no point in winning it.

    2. Wouldn’t it be easier just to accept that most of the ‘value’ is due to inflation and cut the asking price?
      If the children have left home, presumably they are looking to down size.
      Given the size of the pile, I doubt they’re on their uppers.

    1. It wouldn’t be permitted.

      The Aussies no longer allow nasty invasive species to be imported.

    2. Pretty much a fake story. A reporter asked him if he wold go in the jungle and he said he would want £1M that all it amounts to. Fills a page I suppose

      1. Will Berko be given bodyguards at the taxpayers’ expense? I should imagine his life will be in danger.

    3. What an appalling indictment of the times we live in – that someone whose office is one of the most important in the constitution should even THINK of taking part in a game show.

      Standards have not just fallen – they are non-existent…..

      2. Good morning Bill

        Programmes like that are similar to a tattoo on the soul , self flagellation , and my goodness, there seem to be many who wish to participate … for a cash handout and prying cameras. I just don’t get this celebrity thing , I really don’t.

    4. I wonder if we could crowd fund his appearance, and then bribe ITV to dump him somewhere else – the remoter the better!!

    5. The creepy crawlies vetoed it – there’s some depths to which even they will not stoop

    6. I’ll pay him seven figures to stay there but I don;t think that’s especially fair on the wildlife in the jungle.

  21. Aberconwy

    Conservative Marginal. Labour Strong Second

    Good seat for Brexit Party to fight to keep Labour Out, possible Lib-Dems, Plaid & Greens may stand aside

  22. Alyn & Deeside

    Labour Marginal, Good seat for Brexit Party to fight to keep Labour out

    1. The fix is in. I don’t just mean NZ vs Wales, although it is obvious. As for the haka, just read the words. Try performing it at a golf tournament or Wimbledon and you would rightly be arrested

      1. The last time the New Zealand Symphony Orchestra played at the Proms, the baton was placed on the floor at the front of the stage and a Maori warrior came on and challenged the conductor for possession.

        2. They have an orchestra? Not just farmers and rugby players in NZ then!

          Not forgetting the lovely Dame Kiri of course.

      1. If he can think for himself, and see through all of the brainwashing that adults have fed him at such a young age, then he has a bright future ahead of him whichever path he goes down.

        He clearly has critical-thinking skills far beyond many of those who are the same age.

  29. My latest response to John Redwood.

    … and produce more of our own food.

    How close to maximum production per acre is our farming industry? This is vital as I see so many acres of farmland in my area currently disappearing under bricks and mortar and also worrying plans, both locally and nationally, to massively increase this loss of productive farm land.

    Building to house a growing population, being driven in part by people arriving from outside of this country, requires land, a lot of land. People need to be fed and housed and so we have the situation of a burgeoning population increasing demand for food and food producing land disappearing to provide housing for the burgeoning population. This is unsustainable over time, more so if we wish to produce much more of our own food as you propose.

    1. And an even vaster area disappearing under solar panels if the government is to achieve it’s aim of 100% renewables by ?2050. You can at least graze sheep around the panels.

      1. Good point, cynarch. Early last Spring I was driving out to lunch when I saw the sun reflecting off what I thought was an early crop of potatoes under polythene. When I got much closer I saw that is was a previously productive field covered in those panels.

          2. I wonder how long it will be before they are found to be a cause of cancer – and will all have to be removed.

            Apparently, they are difficult – if not impossible – to dispose of “cleanly”.

          4. The BP representatives that I spoke to claimed that the areas ca be grazed by sheep and that the spacing allows the grass to grow. I don’t doubt the proposal in our parish will get permission – so I’ll be abe to confirm or not the quality of pasture in about 3 yrs time.

        2. I came across a video on youtube which I posted on nottle a few days back which compared the frightenly huge areas that would have to go under solar panels if the government were to achieve its aims. I don’t know how much opposition these get in general when a proposal goes to planning, but I guess most people have no idea what an area of 250 acres or 100ha (about the minimum to be viable now subsidies have been dropped) represent in terms of actual fields. Most people as far as I can judge from my own local community see solar power as a good thing and seem willing to support the proposal. When vast swathes of our countryside have succumbed to solar panels people might start to realise what a blot on the landscape they are.

          1. I was agin the one subsequently erected near here. In my view, it’s done nothing for the electricity production, looks hideous, and I have not seen any sheep grazing underneath the panels (one of the so-called “selling points”) since it was put up.

          2. I will be watching out for the sheep. Ours will be on chalk so the advantage of sheep grazing for 40 years would be it could create a good chalkland sward. Though I expect it would all get trampled to death when the panels are removed. A lose/lose situation I guess for everyone except BP.

    2. How come there is a housing shortage in Britain when, for the last 50 years, the indigenous white population of Britain has reproduced itself at a rate of under 2 per couple?

      Of course we all know the answer – but the politicians won’t even ask the question.

      1. They have known the answer for decades but are too deceitful and too frightened to own the problem that they have produced. To admit what they have done and the reasons for doing it would destroy the political class in this Country and also expose their globalist masters. That would never do for the Bilderbergers and the Davos elite.

        1. A lot of the policies of both the main parties is driven by big business and Unions and they both like a constantly growing market ignoring the fact that you cannot keep doing that

        2. Morning |KtK,
          It would not do the lab/lib/con
          supporter / voters , especially since the Margaret Thatcher era a power of good either, in the “non admittance department” for our present odious condition as a country.

      2. Even before mass immigration kicked in, there were massive waiting lists for a Council House….

    3. It also means more intensive farming, bad for the environment and wildlife.

      We have too many people here – it’s unsustainable.

      1. Nearly 20 years ago my son was studying for his Geography A level and during our talks he brought up the Green Revolution. The latter is a system for increasing crop yields. Just Googled for info, this was a ’50s to ’60s idea; I wonder, has it run its course and is land productivity at its peak? The slash and burn policies around the World to open up new land suggests that it has. On the downside the GR probably initiated some of the population growth we’re now seeing, and suffering from.

        1. intensive use of pesticides and fertiliizers to increase crop yields has turned vast areas of the countryside into a wasteland to the detriment of insect life, birdlife and mammals.

          1. It’s almost 20 years ago but I thought his project was to discuss the pros and cons and argue his conclusion. I think that areas of the USA e.g. in the West, have had their ground waters seriously depleted in the rush for increased production.

      1. Bill, a challenge for you. Get a leading politician to admit to that on prime time TV and radio, and for good measure, have it splashed all over the leading papers. Your mission, Mr Jackson, should you choose to accept it, is to be achieved during the next five weeks. This comment has no self destruct function.

  30. The idea of a General Election next month is a big mistake .

    It will cost a small fortune , there will be huge upsets, there will be no decisions or answers to the referendum dilemma.

    Constituencies are severed , split with indecision.. The Tories are a split/ spoilt party .. The Lib dems will remain solid .. and Labour voters will always be loyal .

    Campaigners have got older … no one has any fight left ..

    Politics is in a proper mess, and the Tory party have made a real horlicks out of everything.. Farage will scuttle and run away again , and Trump is as bad as Putin… Soros and the Miller woman have stuck their oar in …

    What a muddle , what a mess . I feel really depressed .

    2. Cheer up Mags – it’s November! We can all have the glooms this month.

      An election is a necessity to clear out the worst of the self-seekers in Parliament and hopefully things will be able to move on.

      1. Good morning, Missus.

        If only – I fear that many of the “moderate Tories” (= remainiacs) will be standing again.

        1. Probably – but some of the worst ones are going. Bercow’s going – that’s cause to be cheerful.

        2. This was an enthusiastic Tory seat.

          The sitting MP suddenly switched to a determined Remainer.
          Last election they couldn’t find sufficient canvassers or pamphlet distributors.

          Let’s see what happens this election.

    3. This election will be all about tactics and Boris is making a fatal mistake if he does not come to an arrangement with the Brexit party

        2. Belle, with the best will in the world, the current numbers in the HoC make that dream impossible.
          Hence the general election.

          1. So sack the swine! Stop them hindering our instruction!

            Get rid of them! Demand that MPs vote for brexit as their constituency did regardless of their own wishes. They are there to represent us, not usurp.

      1. Still drizzly here . Moh is a glutton for punishment .. He has a new golf gadget that is worn on the wrist .. He will concentrate too much on that and will probably fluff his shots !

    8. Take up golf or tennis, Belle.

      I don’t get depressed, I beat the sh!t out of that tennis ball when I’m angry….

    9. Yup. It is a complete lack of integrity amongst the political class that has caused this mess. They’ve proved they cannot be trusted and want to stop our democratic decision and carry on as if nothing has changed.

      Infuriatingly, that’s looking pretty likely. They’ll cheat us and then brush it away, continuing to behave as they want to with impunity and dismissing the demos entirely as an annoyance. Which is precisely why we voted to leave in the first place.

    10. So, what’s the alternative. Keep going with the toxic mess in Westminster? The swamp needs to be drained.

  31. Friday 1 November: Voting Conservative is the only way to secure a general election result that delivers Brexit

    I find this headline above Today’s DT Letters partisan and shocking.

    It is very clear from reading the comments underneath virtually all articles and letters about Brexit in the Daily Telegraph that most people are beginning to see that the Johnson Stitch Up is not Brexit and that the only way to get a proper Brexit would be by having a coalition between Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson.

    Donald Trump may be reviled and ridiculed in the British media but he has certainly understood that Britain needs a proper Brexit and that Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage must work together to achieve this.

    For all our justifiable pride in how bravely we did in the two World Wars we must admit that, without the Americans finally on our side, we would have lost.

      1. Correct and, thought Russia was knocked out in WW1, they did enough then to weaken the German Forces enough for the Ludendorff Offensive to run out of steam and allow Haig’s army to go on the offensive that actually saw the Germans sue for peace.
        And I stress Haig’s Army as, by that time, Petain’s French Army had not recovered after being bled white by Verdun.

    3. I hear that No 10 has denied that the UK cannot strike international trade deals. Someone is either misguided or lying: is it No 10 or those commentators, who after reading his WA, think otherwise? May came out with statements claiming her WA, allowed this and did that; her claims were proven to be untrue by lawyers and constitutional experts. Johnson is riding for a fall is he maintains claims that are proven to be misleading of blatantly untrue. Many people have had enough of the lies and obfuscations from this particular political class.

      1. Trade deals can be negotiated during the transition period but probably could not come into force, so both are right.

          1. Look there was no mention of a deal when we voted in the referendum .. nothing on the ballot paper .

            Whose brilliant idea was the Referendum wording .. was it meant to be duplicitous.. Did Cameron sign it off … We have been duped!

          2. The politicians are confusing things. There is no such thing as a No Deal. There are two basic options and this are Leave the EU with a Treaty or Leave the EU with a Free Trade Deal

          4. Lovely Golf Widow

            Yes – we have been duped and betrayed. We were naive and stupid to have hoped for anything else.

        2. The WA and Political Declaration lead to FTA negotiations. The EU could, and probably will, attempt to tie the UK into their system so tightly that trade deals that are beneficial to the UK will be next to impossible to agree to; tax harmonisation, regulatory alignment, overseeing much of our lives by the ECJ etc etc. will be on the table. They will not let us go unless we have politicians who will stand up to them. If anyone believes we have any of the latter in the Tory and Labour parties, I have that mythical bridge in London for sale.

    4. Yes and well the politicians honour that and the parties manifesto and will MP’s stop flitting from party to party ? You can bet the answer from theses self serving parasite will be no

    5. ”
      Donald Trump may be reviled and ridiculed in the British media”
      But not by the man in the street. The media are propagandists. Normal people ( except Labour supporters ) are clear thinkers.

  32. Sainsbury’s ex-boss urges VAT rise to save High Street

    eH putting up prices will save the High Street? I don’t think so . All that will do is reduce spending in the High Street. The simple fact is the world has changed dramatically since the 1950’s and we simply have far to many retail shops. WE probably need about 26^ fewer retail outlets than we currently have

    Business rates should be halved and VAT increased to 22% in a bid to save the High Street, former Sainsbury’s boss Justin King has said.
    This would help retailers battling with online rivals who do not face the same tax burden, he said.

  34. If a Conservative candidate knocks on you door have a document ready for him to sign saying he or she will abide by the parties manifesto. If he or she changes parties or becomes an independent or are kicked out of the party that they will resign. That he or she will abide by the result of the referendum

  35. I am surely not alone in feeling fearful for female candidates across the political spectrum

    Who would be a female MP in these dark, dangerous days of political misogyny?Not Justine Greening. Not Claire Perry. Not Kate Hoey. Not Helen Jones. Not Louise Ellman.

    Not Nicky Morgan, the current Culture Secretary, who is standing down, citing the “clear impact” on her family and “the other sacrifices involved in and the abuse for doing the job of a modern MP”.

    Not ex-shadow justice minister Gloria De Piero, who expressed concern over the “lack of tolerance for different viewpoints” within her party.

    Not Dame Caroline Spelman, weary of the “intensity of abuse arising out of Brexit” in her resignation statement.

    So Equality with the male, or any other Binary species only counts, if ‘female ‘ MPs have an advantage

    The notliking the present political stage by the above wimmen is the Symptom of their upsettedness.

    The reason the masses are upset with them is that they are Remoaners in Brexiteers clothing (and seats) If the behaved iaw the Manifesto, all would be well

    The exception being Kate Hoey, who has been an exceptional MP, but is peed off with Libore and its ideology

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/surely-not-alone-feeling-fearful-female-candidates-across-political/

    1. All they had to do was honour the referendum result.
      Is it really that difficult to understand?

    3. Back to the kitchen, girls, where you belong. We gave you what you wanted, but you couldn’t stand the heat.

    4. Most of these have defied the wishes of the electorate, defied the party manifesto. Defied the party whips and have change parties and think that the electorate should just tolerate their behaviour

      1. It is the usurious interest – currently nearly ten times the BoE base rate – that needs sorting out – indeed it should be abandoned altogether unless we are happy to have the majority of our qualified people in debt for the next thirty years of their lives after graduating.

        STUDENTS MUST PAY OFF THEIR STUDENT LOANS IN FULL

        But it must be made possible for them to do so.

  37. Electoral Calculus Update (It i based on a poll of polls) It can give an indications of trends and shows growing support for Boris

    There are quite a few unknowns that polls cannot really pick up such as the Brexit Party

    It includes polls up to 29th October

    Con 363
    Lab 186
    Lib 31
    Green 1
    SNP 48
    Plaid 3
    DUP 9
    SF 7
    Alliance 1
    Other 1

  40. Good morning, all.

    The “Greeting” Thunberg has thrown a hissy-fit. Seems she doesn’t much care for the criticism she’s getting on social media.

    https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2019/10/31/greta-thunberg-calls-on-facebook-to-censor-her-critics/

    In other news, Piers Corbyn seems to have turned bandit.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/10/31/corbyns-brother-trashes-open-borders-brands-extinction-rebellion-soros-funded-globalist-scam/

    Ochòin! Jezza will not be a happy bunny. If Piers is waiting for a Christmas card from his little brother, he’d better.not hold his breath,

    2. The one thing I don’t like is how the media keep photo-shopping her face to change her expression according to how they want to portray her. This falls into the ” Fake News ” category and is a big turnoff from reading the comment.

    3. I love this bit – “I (Greta) am, like many others, questioning whether I should keep using Facebook or not,” Thunberg wrote in a Facebook last week. “Allowing hate speech, the lack of fact-checking and, of course, the issues of interfering with democracy… are among many, many
      other things that are very upsetting      .” So, only Greta’s facts, as understood by a 16 year old with no science background, are allowed?

  42. Yes!! Nigel confirms if Boris doesn’t drop the WA and go for a free-trade deal he will fight Boris in every single UK seat!

    Go Brexit Party!

    1. Morning JK,
      Keep in mind that the farage just said “we are so close”
      In my mind we were a damn sight closer in 2016 when he decided he wanted his life back.

      This is NOT an anti Brexit group post, power to their combined elbows.

  43. ‘Car industry going from bad to worse’

    The politicians are keen to blame Br exit but this is a worldwide issue. The car market is no longer growing and this is more down to political actions

    We seem though to have found a use or Boris’s ditch

    More on dealership chain Lookers, where the boss and head of operations have walked away.
    “So much bad news is piling up at Lookers that it isn’t really a surprise to see the board want new leadership,” according to Russ Mould, investment director at AJ Bell.
    He said it is a sign that “the car industry seems to be going from bad to worse”.
    “Chief executive Andy Bruce and COO Nigel McMinn have being trying to keep the business on the road during one of its most difficult periods in history with weakness across the UK car sector,” he said.
    “But it is perhaps time for a different skillset considering the sector’s turmoil is unlikely to improve in the near future and the regulator’s probe has only just got going.”
    “In times of strife you need someone who is prepared to make very bold decisions to stop the business going into a ditch.”

    1. At one time people used to change their cars every three years. Nowadays cars can run for ten years without a major problem, normal people don’t have spare money, and motoring is never a pleasure.
      From having a captive market in a semi-luxury item,they are selling an unwanted necessity, like bread or cheese, and people don’t feel happy going out to buy a car.
      Famous industries all die out after a while. There is no divine right to a permanent licence to print money.
      Not sure what they should do. I remember some years back there was suggestion that new houses would all have flat roofs with a heliport on top.

      1. All the confusing messages fro the government as well are putting people off. The government told people to buy diesels and is now penalising them. Then it was buy hybrids and now in some parts they are being penalised so most are just hanging on to their existing care or buying second hand

      2. Cars went from aspirational luxury item to consumer durable to a concept now perceived as anti-social by city elites. Of course, they still want a helicopter to save them.

      3. I’m still driving my 12 year old diesel. It’s reliable, economical and a good workhorse and gets up the hills.

        1. Traded in my ten-year-old Honda Civic last year. Still O.K. but showing signs of age, like its owner. Had a smash with a police car, few years ago. Cop said ” Good job you were driving a Honda. Anything else and you would have been in pieces all over the road “. Suppose that is a good recommendation for Hondas.

          2. I think much the same can be said for Toyotas – I was in an accident in my first Yaris, and when the police arrived they were wondering initially where the bodies from the Yaris had gone and were surprised to find us alive sitting on the roadside. Sadly the lady in the other car (a Renault from memory) had been killed on impact.

          3. I replaced my 20 yr old Corsa with a Toyota. Went from diesel to petrol. Still anathema to the greens, though.

      4. Some people need a car. You’re right though, drivig is no fun simply because of other drivers on the road. It’s taken me an hour and a half to travel 6 miles at rush hour. It genuinely would be quicker to walk.

    2. The comments below are very pertinent. Nice second hand cars are available quite cheaply. This makes new vehicles difficult to sell. Manufacturers set this up with personal contract hire schemes. At the end of a 3 year period a hire car might be in perfect condition with less than 30,000 miles on the clock and be sold on for around half the new price.
      Some manufacturers are now running contract hire schemes with second hand (ex new contract hire) cars.

  44. Shame Nigel didn’t expose the Uncle George conspiracy and the £100,000,000 spent 2018/2019 to stop Brexit.

    Another opportunity missed.

    1. But didn’t he bring up the fact in the EU parliament that so many people in it were recipients of the Palindrome’s largesse?

      You have posted the clip several times.

    2. Nige hasn’t capitalised on the £66,000 overspent in South Thanet so he’s hardly likely to mention a cool £100 million.

      1. That’s true………………

        …………..but equally the Conservative Party is not offering Jeremy Corbyn.

        It’s all a big gamble !

      2. It was telling that the globalist-controlled media asked exactly the questions that they were predicted to do if something like this came along. The prospect of us actually being able to be completely free of the control of the EU in just a few months is now on the cards, and that is not to their liking at all.

        We can negotiate a trade deal with the EU AFTER we have left them behind. We can do it at the same time as we are free to make deals with any other country that we want to. The EU must be livid.

  46. Tottenham toddler flats fall: Boy dies in hospital from injuries

    I just do not understand why we get so many children falling out of windows. It never happened in the past and flats re now fitted with much safer windows

    A toddler has died after falling from a block of flats in north London.
    Police were called by the London Ambulance Service at 10:51 GMT on Thursday, where they found the boy, aged about 18 months, in a critical condition.
    The child was taken from the scene in High Road, Tottenham, to hospital, where he was pronounced dead less than an hour later.
    A police cordon remains in place but no arrests have been made.
    Formal identification and a post-mortem examination will take place in due course.
    The Metropolitan Police has launched an investigation and is treating the death as unexplained.
    The London Ambulance Service said it was called at 10:46 and “sent a number of resources” to the scene near Langhedge Lane.
    London’s Air Ambulance was also dispatched.

    1. Pitched out, maybe? Poor wee lad. 18 months, maybe just into climbing, window ajar, a blunder, and …

    3. My elder son climbed out of his cot and onto the window sill aged about 18 months. I was up on top of the block of flats (three storeys) hanging out the washing. Fortunately a neighbour alerted me and I caught him as he was opening the window and leaning out. He survived but it was a narrow escape. I ditched the cot and the window catch was secured.

  47. Yo All

    Global heavyweights eye ‘massively-undervalued’ pound as the fog clears in Westminster

    A clutch of global banks and investment houses is preparing for a British economic boomlet and a potentially explosive rise in sterling, betting

    that elections will finally break the eternal deadlock over Brexit.

    Could Mr Ssoro (typo) be the main beneficiary, what a surprise that would be

    Stops Brexit AND Gets richer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/10/31/global-heavyweights-eye-massively-undervalued-pound-fog-clears/

  48. DT Lead Live Story:

    Nigel Farage says PM’s deal is not Brexit as he proposes Leave Alliance.

    Does anyone now seriously believe that Boris Johnson wants or even believes in Brexit? He is a charlatan.

    I would add that he is an opportunist – but he is being offered a marvellous opportunity to remain as prime minister and he is, for the moment, throwing it away.

    I am reminded of Mrs May’s disastrous general election in 2017. She had it in the bag and yet she threw it away. Now Boris is doing the same thing.

    1. If the Tories had wanted to deliver Brexit, they would have done so – instead, they’ve spent 3 years trying to sneak a Brino through.

      1. Morning PT,
        The wretch cameron / may plan prior to the referendum in case the unbelievable happened, and it did.

      2. Why did Boris allow the Benn act to pass? Yes, it politically exposes the man as a mendacious egotist but it has now blocked us from a WTO brexit.

        Why didn’t he stop it?

        1. I doubt that he could have.

          The prorogue route was blocked, the Lords could almost certainly not have filibusted it and getting the Queen to withhold Royal assent would almost certainly have been overturned by the SC.

          Remain lawfare scuppered government. It has set a very dangerous series of precedents, in my opinion.

          1. Actually, he could have, quite legitimately. He could have advised HM not to sign it and she would have been obliged to take his advice. It’s been done before, so it isn’t anything innovative. That would have stopped it. He also pulled the Lords’ filibuster. It suited him, in my view, to have his hands tied.

      3. R,
        Many would say that the pair would recognise in each other a kindred spirit, ie peas in a pod.
        As for may / political treachery, the eu is streets ahead on the inducements and many of the
        Hoc incumbents are fully bent to start with as in
        Expenses / house flipping / paedophilia /
        rent boys ( foreign) / drugs etc,etc. they are hardly likely to pass up the eu goodies are they.
        But the lab/lib/con member / voters seem comfortable with them as they support the parties time,time,& time again.

    2. R,
      Self interest plays a big part, the eu has the loudest siren call for politico’s to partake of the golden trough, many, as seen have heard & taken up the call.
      I ask again who’s interest is it best suited to, to stay in ?

    3. They’re Globalists’ they’re expendable, well rewarded and hence willing to sacrifice their own career advancement for the cause.

  49. So far the Brexit party has scored the best in my view with it announcing sensible policies (No detail yet). Labour, Conservatives and Lib-Dems have come out with very negative approaches which consist mainly of attacking the other parties. Labour seems keen to keep coming out with the lie the HS is being sold of and know one except Labor believes that

  50. Other parties planning for a Rainbow coalition. The sticky point being Corbyn but if it came to it I would expect Corbyn to be sacrificed

      1. RS,
        The old clog & pet ?, regular, example, I call for justice against paedophilia / PC / Appeasement they down vote it, lefties to the core.

        1. As well as, if you got an overweight pig and put a blue rosette on it they’d all vote for it.

    2. You’re an also ran on this thing.

      Since I last looked at your total you’re down about 300, I’ve lost 10 times as many and from a much lower tally than you.

        2. Well, as always, the longer I comment on here the difference between comments and upvotes gets bigger and bigger. But frankly my dears… I only fret about my upvotes on the DM.

      2. I’m off for lunch now, so I’m not searching for numbers, just using the ones I have at hand:

        sosraboc down 12,071 in 11 days.
        peddytheviking down 1,000 in 11 days.
        BillThomas down 8,758 in 10 days.
        Ndovu down 3,542 in 9 days.
        OneLastTry down 3,811 in 8 days.
        Rik down 800 in 2 days (even though he is not logging in, his score keeps dropping.)

        This only takes seconds a day to record these figures. Some people like jigsaws, I like numbers. (It is a lot faster than doing a puzzle and is not so hard on the knees. Time for lunch. 🙂

        1. OMG you lot are funny. Obviously there’s not enough ingratiation going on. You tick my back and I’ll tick yours.

          1. It is not always the wisest thing to jump to conclusions and make broad statements without information. It can make you look less than informed.

            I first heard about this bot almost a year ago, and saw several people after it had done its work and they had scores in the -100,000’s. This is the first channel that I have been on where several people were all being “vote-stripped” at once. This is why I am noting the numbers, to see if the drop is uniform based on % or other factors. It is for information.

            This vote-stripping bot is a censor mechanism that will prevent all accounts affected from commenting on large news sites such as breitbart when they total drops below zero. It is overwhelmingly affecting right-wing commentators. From what you claim to believe, I would think you would not approve of this.

          2. The first time I came on here I had say 480 upvotes on 510 comments but the gap suddenly went up to 5 or 6 hundred. I’m not trying to endear myself to up tickers. This site, GP and to a certain degree Guido have not used their views in such a way to influence the people in power. The SpAds will tell their minions to monitor certain sites and Twitter. All I’ve seen is people going around and around in ever decreasing circles for 3 1/2 years. To me it was obvious what was going to happen by 9.15am on 24th June 2016. The minions will report back stating that nothing to worry about. Is it a coincidence that those with differing views on GP have all but vanished. then along comes a “newcomer” who had an article published on queerness yesterday evening?
            To me the most woke places are BB and the DM. But the DM comments section, was the biggest online newspaper in the world thanks to the Yanks, has been slashed by the appointment of a leftard.
            What I claim is that the time for politics has gone, we’re just being led down the garden path and around and around in circles and tickled under the chin.
            If the ones with 100,000 upticks had something worthwhile to say and they were losing ticks it would then be sinister, funny how ogga1 and Miss P get the most ridicule on here. As an aside Ogga’s mate Emily Enso was slagging off Farage on BB yesterday.

          3. Sorry for the delay in replying – I have been out all day. Yes, there are dark times ahead, even if we do suddenly leave the EU and stop the reinforcements flooding into the country. By “dark times” I don’t mean economic hardship, I mean “Planet of the Apes” with gunshots ringing out all day and screams in the night. So that is to be avoided as much as possible.

            I find that sites like this, while not handing out guns and ammunition for the struggle ahead, are useful for the dissemination of information. Over the past 5 years I have learned a great deal of the “nuts and bolts” of how our world is being led into destruction. I already knew why it was being done, but I didn’t know the day-to-day methods that were being used.

            I don’t think that any online site will influence those who are giving the orders at the top. They have their agenda and long term goals and are happy to kill billions to get there. But we can make it harder for them. Leaving the EU and starting a very necessary mass deportation of those who would kill us all without a second thought will be a step in the right direction.

            We have the English Channel which is a very good 19 mile wide moat, if it is patrolled correctly. In the years ahead, as the almost inevitable war for survival rages across Europe, we have the advantage of being an island. We are in a “holding pattern” at the moment as the enemy moves their forces into our country. It is a breathing space to prepare the best we can for what is coming.

          4. Wow, this is the best reply I’ve ever had on here.

            Originally I only came on here to wind up 1642 to 1656 aka LP but apart from a few Memes I haven’t learnt much at all from this site. GP, DM and BB and Online Magazin (ex-fallschirmjaeger) on Twitter before he was banned is where I get to learn stuff.

            I just wrote to a response on BB about the only way we will leave the EU is with a fight and the only questions we should be thinking about are we being deliberately being forced to civil war and whether or not to sharpen your pitchfork or leave it rusty.

            I’ve been trying to work out where the first civil war will start. It’s getting close now. Fortunately for me I live in a town that back in the day had a reputation for fisticuffs. So if you are familiar with the board game Risk, the side of good would be able to deal with opposition in the town and all the neighbouring areas. I post regularly ten links, one is Kipling’s poem about the English and another is the Frankfurt School.

            http://whale.to/c/frankfurt_school1.html

            Agreed, online sites will not affect the leaders and their plans but it would draw them out and make it easier to wake up more of the population if the sites gave them something to think about. There is now no political solution. Article 50 should have been signed on 24th June 2016 and we should have gone out and made deals with the Commonwealth and the big industrial countries not in the EU.

            A SpAD’s SpAd will look at today’s NTTL page and see everybody happily discussing the election. No action needed.

            I thought the Channel was 22 miles wide. You learn something new everyday, yes that it’s 20.7 miles or 18 nautical miles at it’s shortest.)))) I wrote the other day similar to a Yank, that it would save us.

          5. Yes, once again it will be the Americans who have the material resources that we will need. There have been many comments that I have seen from them saying that once the globalists have been put back in their box in their own country, then they are happy to help their “British cousins” in our struggle.

            Whether they bother to save the EU again is another matter. Even with the massive rise in violence across the continent, many are still voting for the same people who will keep their borders open. Although there are good signs in some countries with the rise of parties who see what is going on. Viktor Orban is getting a lot of pressure from the EU because he will not allow a mass islamic invasion of his country. “You may want these invaders, we do not” was one of his comments.

            International lawyers at the time said that the Article 50 process was totally unnecessary and it was only a system to delay us leaving the EU at all. We could have been a free Nation State in 6 weeks with no problems. We are being delayed again now. Boris’s current deal was written by lawyers in the EU as a legal trap to delay us leaving for years more, while they flood the UK with “new arrivals” who will vote to take us fully into the EU.

            So Boris’s deal is just another trick to hand our country over to a foreign power.

            As to where the war for survival will start – Sweden is very far down the path now. They regularly have nights where 30+ cars are burnt which all belong to native Swedes. This means that they cannot get insurance for their cars and so cannot get to work, so they are forced to move out. This leaves another house for our invaders. There were the same number of grenade attacks in Sweden last year as there were in Mexico. That is only going one way.

            In this country it is still not too late yet. Islam is a cult of cowards who carry out “pack attacks” and often run when faced with real men. They are still heavily outnumbered in the UK and so they just go out at night and target drunk students when they are out alone. The number of students who are found “drowned” in rivers after a night out is rising.

            We can still remove the cult (as peacefully and legally as possible obviously) and limit the damage done. One problem that we will have is that most of those coming in now have all handled weapons before since they were children, and they are not shy about using them. Five of them with automatic rifles can do a lot of damage to unarmed British men and women in a town. But that is getting ahead of ourselves.

            We can limit the damage done to our country if The Brexit Party get in. There are a lot of old soldiers backing that party, and they know the enemy that we face. It will be much better to nip this problem in the bud before another 3 million of them arrive, which is what would happen under Boris’s surrender document.

            That is far too long a message for this time of the morning. Have a good Sunday. 🙂

          6. I’d have to disagree with you about the Yanks. I have some good old battles on BB on this subject. Think you’ll find that the Yanks have far greater problems than we do. They’ve had two goes at it and got no where near a majority. No wall, no swamp draining and they are still doing the globalist’s bombing for them. In one of Clancy’s books he has the Yanks up against the Russians, Chinese and India, the only country the Yanks have beaten on their own is Grenada. The Hispanics want their old states back and the Yanks are busily filling up Minnesota with Islamists. So the Yanks will be faced with the same as we will be with leftards, Islam and Useful Idiots but with Hispanics and BLMers too.

            I use the words, “We are in for catastrophic times.” There will be civil wars everywhere in the west and it depends if Russia, China and Islam want to sweep westwards. But our elite also pose a threat as they will have access to the nuclear bunkers.

            I don’t know how to say this but the time for politics has passed, neither Johnson nor the BXP will rid us of the EU nor stop mass immigration. Excluding psychopaths and sociopaths, according to the British Army there are three types of people, see if you can tell me what they are and the percentage of the ones the army really wants?

            Yes you’re correct about having trained armed killers in our midst and the people in the big cities would take a bit of battering, but remind me which way did the big cities vote? But how long do you think it would be before the Leavers would be equally well armed?

            My days are all the same. I feel a need to go play some chess and I’ll respond to some of your other points when I wake up tomorrow morning. Good to come across somebody who has seriously thought about what could happen.

          7. It is a complex issue. There are many things happening at the moment, so do not spend too much time replying to individual points that I have made. I have slightly limited online time at the moment and am already getting it in the neck for not replying to others as frequently as I did a few weeks ago.

            There are sources of information around about how historically an unarmed population defeats an armed invader. The causalities are high in the early days until we take the weapons that they themselves are using. I was trained on the SLR and was a very good shot. There are a lot of us still around.

            Politics does still play a role, even at this late stage. With another 11 years under EU legal control, which is what Boris’s deal will do to us, we will have another 3.3 million “new arrivals” from the killing fields of the Middle East and North Africa, all with basic firearms training. They will certainly have brought many weapons with them. At that point we will have a real fight on our hands.

            As for America – it is many of their traitorous politicians, especially Democrats obviously, who are trying to bring America down. It is what globalists do. The real American people and the “good old boys” will not go quietly into their New World Order.

            I may be gone for a couple of days now. Have a good week.

          8. Apart from low level politicians there is nobody fighting for us, to me Farage is a plant and I’m not convinced by Trump.
            The answer to my question was, there are those that could never kill under any circumstance. Those that can be trained to kill. And those that were born to kill and never have a problem about it as they are warriors of which they reckon there are only 1-2%.

          9. Those are interesting definitions that I do not recognise. Nobody is “born to kill.” People can be twisted into being that way by events in their lives. It makes them sociopathic murderers not warriors.

            A warrior is anyone who will stand up and defend his people and values. Training makes them better prepared to do this. Those who develop an “instinct for survival” tend to last longer than those who do not.

            Veteran and Elite units are made up of normal men who have learned, or been lucky enough, to avoid being killed while they were still Green or Regular.

          1. Sorry – I have been out all day and have just seen your comment, and am going offline now as well. I have only been looking at 6 or 7 people to see if the change rate is the same, and I will add you to the list. 🙂

            You notice the drop after just a day, if yours is dropping. But a few days will give you an average per day. See you tomorrow.

    4. There was an issue a month or so ago, where comments and upvotes showed as zero for many users. That seems to have been resolved. I don’t take any notice of my upvote total, but my gut feeling is that it is fewer than it once was. I have a theory that votes cast on the old ‘community channels” site are disappearing. I also think that Disqus have been tidying up some dormant accounts. For example, the profile for the late, lamented GranchesterMeadows says “he hasn’t commented yet”…

      1. Afternoon GG,
        Thanks for the input, there was a point yesterday where a number of up-votes were not added at all to the tally.
        Not a believer in face value and if manipulation is in play what other issues could be tampered with ?
        Could it be abacus abbot has input.

        1. Mine are a joke.
          At present I live in Groundhog day.
          It reached the current thousands figure and 997

          A couple of weeks ago.
          They were gradually stripped away and all the upvotes I have been receiving just disappear into a black hole.
          A few are allowed on to make it up to 3?? but next morning they are gone and the figure is 2??
          So then I start the day again.
          Up in the 3ss and upvotes disappear again

          By next morning down again, usually to an even lower point again.
          No votes have gone on for days – just going down and down, even though loads are received.
          Its a farce..
          I just wondered what had happened to you?

          1. EE,
            As I say it is happening to a few of us Geoff G. gave his take on it
            early on, go back through the comments 9 hours ago.

          2. Been through twice and can’t spot it.
            Can you remember what he wrote?
            As for the thread – not pretty.
            And clear they all want to see a Labour/Lib dem coalition.
            I want to leave, not see Article 50 rescinded.

    1. Yes, it will involve a lot of miring. But as I can’t handle the down voting I’d get for offering an opinion, I’ll keep it to myself.

  53. I have as poor an opinion of politicians as anyone else. They’ve shown themselves to be about as low as any form of life can be, but even the lower orders of the natural world have their uses.

    I’m concerned that Farage has shown himself to be more of a Crusader than a politician at a time when some politics was needed. If he’s not careful we’ll not even get Boris’s idea of Brexit, much less his own.

    1. In the 2015 GE Farage visited GCHQ. After the visit he stated that if we are to remain safe in the future we must give up some of our freedoms. Does that sound like a Crusader or what does he sound like? Anybody can answer the question except Miss Polly!

      1. I think he was referring to a different kind of freedom from that related to subjugation to the EU.

        GCHQ is a very different kind of organisation.

        1. Is GCHQ involved in spying on our friends and allies within the EU? I thought the EU was the only reason why we have had peace in Europe since 1945, except in the Balkans, and Ukraine.

          2. It’s also down to the Yanks as well, wanting to surround Russia with missiles and the other is the Yanks bombing hell put of Islamic countries to create the refugee streams to comply with the 1995 Barcelona Declaration.

    2. ” I’m concerned that Farage has shown himself to be more of a Crusader than a politician at a time when some politics was needed”
      Very well expressed.

    3. But many of us would prefer to Remain in the EU and damage it from within than meekly to accept all the intrinsic insults, humiliation and vassalage inherent in the Johnson Surrender ‘deal’.

      1. The EU is already damaging itself from within – we don’t want to be anywhere near when the sh1t hits the fan.

      2. That is the most defeatist crap I have read so far in this whole sorry saga, Rastus. You should be ashamed.
        My first downvote award.

        2. Do you honestly think that the May/Johnson capitulation is either honourable or acceptable?

          I am sorry, but it is you and not I who is peddling ‘defeatist crap’ by accepting that Britain should be a vassal state ruled by the whims of the EU. It is you, not I, who should hang his head in shame. The EU must be defeated – not surrendered to by accepting the humiliating and insulting terms of the May/Johnson surrender.

      3. I understand what you mean Rastus, but we voted to leave the EU. Thus rather than accepting the slavery act we should be able to reject it and adopt WTO.

        Which brings me back to – why the flipflop did Boris allow the Benn act to pass? If he had, we’d be out now under sensible terms.

    4. I’m cheered that master tactician Farage, is displaying a Crusading spirit at a time when politics is a dictartorial, totalitarian, Globalist controlled, ‘closed shop’. Ifwe fail to elect some genuine Brexiteers, Globalist Bojo will be free to force through his BrINO surrender treaty.

      1. Don Quixote also displayed a crusading spirit and it didn’t end how he’d hoped.

        Crusading is fine, but a crusader also needs to be a tactician.

      2. Mark Francois was on the BBC Radio 4 PM news supporting Boris’s deal, saying he woudn’t have voted for it if was unacceptable. He does not want a pact with the Brexit Party. What is so attractive about the deal that we haven’t been told.

        2. I saw this on Twitter only the other day.
          “Sarah Wollaston MP
          @sarahwollaston
          · Oct 18
          “The Johnson ‘deal’ is nothing more than a gangplank off the cliff edge. A year from now, once the transition is over, there will be nothing to protect us from No Deal. That’s why the ERG is supporting it.” “

          1. I read something along those lines a few days ago and put it up here for all to see. At the time I wrote my comments I couldn’t find the source: thanks p’s mum for confirming.
            I believe that he must have promised the ‘Spartans’ that he will activate the No Deal clause in around 13 months. Also, I believe that there will be some very disappointed ‘Spartans’ come that moment. My gut feeling is that he will try and sell the FTA as the better option: better for the EU, disastrous for the UK. I hope to be proved wrong.

          2. I think you are correct. It is a red herring to push through the w/a. I think we can conclude that our PM has no intention of our ever leaving the eu as he is in no way prepared whatsoever to form an alliance with TBP. The Tories would rather see Corbyn in power, with a 2nd Ref (and rigging) in the offing. My concern also is, Johnson intends to push through the w/a on the back of the new incumbents, when they are eager to please and before they have found their feet, especially as he is bringing back 11 (?) of those whom he banished to swell the ranks.

            The ignorance and arrogance of a Labour candidate in Ashfield, I think it was, the other day astounded me. She was propounding the by now tedious mantra of ‘leavers didn’t know what they were voting for’. This constituency has a Labour majority and…… 60% voted Leave. And she was telling them that they didn’t know what they were voting for. A new candidate! It should be a shoo-in for TBP. I do hope the constituents teach her a lesson. Sadly, I think in the end, the majority will vote in the election as they always do – ‘what’s in it for me?’ That is how they see general elections. Things mostly have not got bad enough yet. But wait until the eu starts raiding bank accounts, giving them a 10% haircut once in a while. Most of them seem to have no idea what is in store.

          2. “The Future’s Bright, The Future’s Orange” didn’t go down too well with some inhabitants of the Emerald Isle…..

  55. BBC weather forecast for my locality tomorrow at 6am shows winds of 76mph. It calls it a gale, whereas on the Beaufort scale 76mph equates to hurricane force. Where’s Michael Fish when you need him?

      1. Checked and find he’s 75 and lives in Eastbourne, and will only be receiving 57mph winds tomorrow morning.

    2. He was right in 1987. It wasn’t a hurricane, it was a storm. There’s more to a hurricane than wind speed.

        1. Because there’s more money in sensational headlines than there is in accurate headlines and to hell with reputations ruined in the process..

      2. Of course a hurricane is a nasty beast, but ‘hurricane force’ is a Beaufort measure of wind speed.

        1. Force 12, but in the words of Monty Python, ‘All mackerel are fish, but not all fish are mackerel’.

          You’d think he’d caused the storm the stick he got. It was heading to miss us when he made his report, but it changed course later and hit the south of England after he was home and having his Horlicks.

          1. It was one of those ‘You remember where you were.’ moments. We have our own anemometer, it’s our dog whose whine goes up in pitch as the wind speed increases.

          2. I was in Southampton at the time and missed the worst of it, but the yowl coming down the chimney woke me up thinking “What the Foxtrot is that?”

  56. When considering all the verbiage, promises, loose talk, accusations and insults that will be bestowed on us over the next few weeks, it is essential to consider that three Tory Prime Ministers have failed to deliver the Brexit for which the country voted. One ran away, one gave the country the chance to vote against it (which they nearly did) and accepted a document of capitulation devised by our enemies, and the most recent stirred the WA brew instead of emptying it into a ditch. Would it not be verging on insanity to vote Tory, unless you think that the WA is a good plan?

      2. No. I gave up on them long ago. Firstly because they have been run by a self-perpetuating clique for the last thirty years, secondly because they are mostly quite stupid, incompetent, and also because when an opportunity to secede arose they declined to take it which suggests that being MSPs under the shelter of the UK suits them all just fine.
        Moreover, the depraved morality of all political parties is such that I cannot support any of them. Any support for a Party will be Brexit-only.
        What about yourself?

        1. Undecided as yet. We have a front bench Labour MP who is a good local man, but I can’t bring myself to vote for him. I think he will be back without my vote. Not sure who we have as Tory or Brexit party candidates. One or the other will get my vote when I’ve seen what they offer.

      3. Please can you convince me that the Boris Surrender ‘deal’ is better than staying in the EU and attacking it from within as Grieve, Hammond, Bercow, Stewrt, Clarke, Hilary Benn and the other traitors have done to the British state?.

        The EU is so profoundly manipulative and sadistic that Britain will will be crippled by it if we accept the Johnson Vassalage deal. If we cannot leave it completely we must destroy it from within.

        1. The suggestion of detraoying it from within is nice, but it’s a bit like knocking on a 50′ high 10ft deep steel gate expecting it’ll break eventually.

          The EU is corrupt. It is utterly anti democratic. It excludes – deliberately – anyone who might ‘rock the boat’. It attacks the honest. The only group with any power are the commissars. They’re not going to invite someone in who doesn’t want the same things they do: high tax, big state, absolute expansionist control.

          They are utterly uninterested in changing the EU. For them, it is ideal. Of course it is! half a million a year, another half million of expenses, no taxes no electorate to deal with and no scrutiny. It’s the socialist ideal.

          1. “The only group with any power are the commissars.”.
            As we have seen in the last few months this group is a self-selecting self-perpetuating cabal.

    2. FPTP will ensure that it really doesn’t matter who I vote for in a general election because Andy Slaughter will hold Hammersmith for Labour unless or until an Islamist candidate steps up to take his place. The proposed redrawing of constituency boundaries would have removed his seat and I was looking forward to that but never mind. I’ll probably vote TBP or Monster Raving Loony, depending on the choices offered and at least my conscience will be clear.

  58. Essex lorry deaths: Two arrested in Vietnam as police speak to wanted man by phone

    TWO people have been arrested in Vietnam in connection with the deaths of 39 migrants found in a refrigerated lorry in Essex.

      1. Think of it instead of their permanent holiday destination in Portugal they can set up another one in Vietnam

  59. Is it just Vanity ?

    Id it just vanity stopping Boris coming to an arrangement with the Brexit Party? Before he secured the General Election it made sense to keep at arms length fro the Brexit Party as he need to get as much support as he could from the position parties. Any sign of a link to the Brexit party would scare them with the thought of a no deal. Now there is no need to maintain a distance from the Brexit Party . There is nothing really to lose for the Conservatives but everything to gain

    4. If Johnson wins the forthcoming election, and with what the EU knows he’s already promised them he’ll follow in Churchill’s Heath’s and Blair’s footsteps.

  61. I am well aware that in this case there is a call for tactical voting this one case.
    For many years tactical voting [has kept honest voices out of parliament
    we bare witness to that on a daily basis now.
    Surely once we are out then any thoughts of voting lab/lib/con will be taken as advanced stages of lunacy and treated accordingly as in
    incarceration within a mental institute.

    1. Relying on tactical voting for a desired result is about as reliable as a game of pitch and toss. You need to tilt the table in your favour so that the tactical voting hurts your opponent and not yourself and allies.

      1. Afternoon B,
        IMHO tactical voting is showing the need for sh!te parties needing to amalgamate to back up their hollow, lying manifesto’s for peoples consumption.

      1. Listen up, T,
        if the naked bloody civil servant is acceptable, along with the king with his bollocks hanging out ,then so is the
        bare witness.

    1. So you and Rastus think students should pay for their university and college educations?

        1. Yes, I can read, amazingly. This is supposed to be a blog site where people exchange their views, I simply asked a question.

          2. Well in the case of a political assassin in 2016 he only answered the word Yes to his name and never said anything else.

      2. It is the usurious interest – currently nearly ten times the BoE base rate – that needs sorting out – indeed it should be abandoned altogether unless we are happy to have the majority of our qualified people in debt for the next thirty years of their lives after graduating.

        STUDENTS MUST PAY OFF THEIR STUDENT LOANS IN FULL

        But it must be made possible for them to do so – not by giving them anything but by taking less from them. Tax breaks for these loan repayments should be available for both students and their employers.

        1. Education should be heavily if not completely subsidised. Educating the workforce is one of the best investments the state can make as long as there is also strong investment in R&D at the same time.

          1. Up to a point, Lord Copper, need to have degrees, such as medicine, engineering, computer sciences, yes, nice to have, such as gender studies, history of art, PPE, no.

          2. We have a soft skills economy. Many degrees your age group consider ‘Mickey Mouse’ are actually far more useful than they seem, although yes a few are not really vocational. I’m not just talking about degrees which are only suitable for some but also places where trades can be learned, real skills that would enable self-employment or employability. That’s also education and ought to receive the same benefits.
            We foolishly let our industry diminish and the only way to revitalise the economy and make it more varied away from the reliance on banking is through innovation. The more educated and skilled we become in general, mixed with strong investment in R&D, the more innovative we become.

          3. Totally agree re “trades and vocational training”, completely disagree re “nice to have” degrees.

            If the student wants to go the History of Art route, (which is actually hard work) or the Drama or fashion route that’s up to them, let them pay for privilege.

          4. Maybe they will make a career as a curator or an author, being good little economic slaves just like the doctors and the lawyers and the IT geeks.
            All education is a benefit, some just easier to see.

          5. There are only so many museums in need of a curator and the world has enough authors who can’t get their works published because nobody wants them.

            Neither curators nor authors are essential trades.

          6. Many jobs are not essential trades. So what?

            These people also go into jobs like graphic design and marketing. Most graduates find employment, even those that did media studies, gender studies, and history of art.

            We can’t just stick to what’s essential. We need luxuries, we need choice and variety. We need entertaining.

            I’m not saying we should educate all to degree level but i am saying the opportunity for free education should be there to anyone that wants it, and that vocational skills should be taught as well as the more academic degrees.

          7. Gender studies. Yup, we really need more of that. The biggest up and coming industry of the lot. Its product is misery. Lots of it.

            It’s what makes the world go round. Who needs another bridge designed when you can be told what the most recently discovered transuranic gender is and what its atomic weight would be if only it could be detected as existing in the real world.

          8. By all means let them follow their passon, but why should the general taxpayer subsidise them?
            By saturating the market one devalues the product.

            I know your views on magic money trees ae very different from mine, perhaps we’ll get a Corbyn style government to put your print more money theories to the test.

          9. You’re scared of deficits, i am not. The national debt worries you, I don’t lose a wink of sleep over it. In a debt based economy debt is inevitable.
            Money is printed every day in our economy. You know this. Every time the government makes a payment. Every time a bank makes a loan. We live in an era of spreadsheet money.
            Taxes don’t and can’t pay for spending but it looks that way to an accountant. Taxes remove a portion of the money previously created as part of the fight against inflation.
            Where we differ is you think every penny spent or as near as damn it should be removed, and I don’t as long as inflation stays within certain boundaries and unemployment falls.

          11. Taxes should pay for spending. Just as the family income should pay for housing, food, etc. Otherwise the deficit builds up to a point where the outside observer, says, “Hmm, no chance of them paying this off, so let’s not buy any more of their government debt – or lend that country any more money”. Then the economy collapses, along with everything else in the country. Welcome to Hotel Venezuela.

          12. What’s happened to Adult Education ? Half of the guys on here don’t know how to use an apostrophe.
            Something about that must be done.

          14. Anything that benefits the wider population is usually the first thing to suffer in ‘government cuts’. That way the spendthrift local authorities that abolish them can ensure that the public is aware of the negative impact of cuts without themselves having to reduce their tit-sucking.

          15. It’s the same principle applied by the home office on deportation, just make certain you eject a group that brings benefits in so that you then get an outcry and can thus hang onto those who suck benefits out.

          16. I think it’s been replaced by universty.
            As to opposed trophy’s leave them to the grocer’s.

          17. The leisure and educational sector, museums and art galleries are important to the economy. Theatre, film, and TV are hugely important. UK fashion is a world leader in the levels below haute couture, that is , in the big business, popular market areas.
            So I don’t agree your examples of degrees that we should not pay for. I think that we need to go back to paying students, fees and subsistence. It is an investment. The numbers could usefully be cut instead of reducing the “degree of difficulty”.
            I have advocated vocational training since an early letter to the Scotsman suggesting colleges to train people in useful skills such as operation tills, keeping basic accounts, being a bus conductor and so on.

          18. They might be important, but the numbers who make a real success are miniscule compared with the number graduates being churned out.

            How many budding actors or directors with degrees in media studies actually do make much of a return on investment for the country? There are far too many universiies offering far too many degrees at great cost.

            What is your objection to making those who want to go that route pay for their choice?

          19. It’s currently easier to get a job with a media studies degree than a hard science degree without going abroad. There are many good options for a media studies graduate from web content managers through to a multitude of jobs for film and tv production companies and channels, and public relations, and communications.

          20. It might be easier, but I wonder how many media studies students now have tens of thousands of debt and are not getting jobs or are gettng jobs where they could have learned on the job and have no debt.

          21. I fully agree with they should be learning on the job. Employers favour trained employees.

          22. I know it’s a long time since I was recruiting, but I am unconvinced that they actually do, except for relatively skilled positions. I would always prefer an employee who had the basic skill sets and could demonstrate that they could continue to learn so that I or my company could train them to our standards.

          23. High levels of immigration and rising numbers of graduates in economy has made the situation that way. Why train when it’s easy to find the skills you need. It has also held wages down. Companies don’t bid up wages in the hunt for staff, the pay the going rate and fill positions rapidly.

          24. Our elder son, Christo, got a good degree in Aerospace Engineering was immediately sought after by several employers and now has been promoted to Senior Design Engineer’ with a multinational company and has just announced his engagement to be married to a veterinary nurse. He’ll be 26 in five weeks time.

            His younger brother, Henry, was 24 two weeks ago. He got a good degree in Philosophy and Politics from UEA, my old university. He quickly found a job working for a software company in London working with a programme for barristers and solicitors explaining how his company’s software worked, He has moved to Lancaster University where his long-term girlfriend from UEA is studying for a paid PhD in Mathematics. He is working on writing computer programmes for a company in Preston while doing an external M.Sc in Computer Science at York University.

            Both boys are bi-lingual so they want to travel during their working lives. We were lucky enough to be able to afford to finance them both through university so they are not lumbered with monstrous debts like many of their friends.

          25. Some cannot pay. Talent is not associated with being born to rich parents. Of course many of those we support will not “pay off”, or will star in other ways.
            Education should be a birthright in civilised countries. You are saying we cannot afford it. OK. Why not? Surely addressing the reasons that the country cannot afford to educate it’s children is the issue? I do not suppose that having several million foreigners living for free is the reason?
            Housing, feeding, doctoring, and educating millions of people who should not be here is the issue, or one of them. No?
            Why are we giving our money by preference to foreigners rather than spending it on our own children?

          26. Why?
            Why should everyone get exactly the same, just because you feel (I deliberately don’t use think here) it should be so?

            Yes, offer the opportunity to be numerate and literate and to be taught how to educate themselves, but beyond that the individual should pay for the further education.

            Life’s a búgger, some are born lucky, some earn their luck, but there comes a point where a country has to say: “I’m terribly sorry, but we can’t solve everyone’s problems”

          27. A country should say, “we need to solve our own problems”.
            I stand with history. Scotland was one of the first countries in the world to offer free education to all children. Free University education, for those capable of it, is an extension of that tradition.
            It is not about “feelings”, it is pragmatism. I gather that you disagree. So be it.

          28. That’s the same Scotland that is quite happy to allow EU students better terms than English students is it?

            Ooops, yes of course it is.

          29. When we used to paying students’ fees, it was for the top 5% or so of school leavers. It’s simply not economically viable to pay for university for everyone. Besides all the “university for everyone” approach has done is devalue degrees, as the standards set to get into university and get a degree have fallen a long way since the days of university students being able to get a County or State Scholarship or equivalent – today’s GCSE and A levels do not compare with the old O and A levels which were designed to weed out the 90+% and make sure the free education went to those who could cope with its then rigors.

          30. I don’t disagree. Limit it to top 5% or 10%. Standards should be high (that will mean a lot of tutors will be winnowed out!). However education should, indeed must, be available to everyone else. This can be done through technical colleges and the like. Taxbreaks for employers who pay to educate and train employees.
            I obtained a number of qualifications with the support of employers who then benefited from that training by the higher level of performance in more demanding jobs.

          33. My no. 1 is a Sicilian red wine from Aldi. The first time they had it on their shelves it was priced at £4.99 at say 14.2%. Absolute heaven, Drank the whole bottle in one go. Went back for more. They’d upped the price to say £5.49 but there were few bottles left. Everybody else had the same opinion. Now it’s % is below 14 but it’s still pretty good. I’ll buy in bulk next year, if I’m still around.
            Being a plonker makes it easier for me to watch you lot go around and around as you’re led down the garden path.

          34. If we didn’t have a set target of 50% going to university, it would make offering grants feasible. We should be concentrating on STEM subjects. Then we should reintroduce apprenticeships, day release, block release etc.

    3. Richard Tice knocks most of the dross we have in parliament into a cocked hat. He should have a top job in government and so should Nigel Farage.

      His appearance and the coherence of his ideas and the way he talks is a serious threat to the bumbling, buffoonish, dishonest, incoherent Boris. Boris’s hubristic vanity does not like this sort of thing.

      1. SORRY

        I’ve committed a cardinal sin in up-ticking my own post. When I want to see who has upticked a post I press the uptick arrow which adds my name to the list of up-tickers and I then remove it. This time it did not get removed. In my defence I am an accidental rather than a deliberate bounder.

        Mercifully I have got rid of it now.

        2. You only need to hover over the up arrow to see who has upticked your post – no need to click on it.

          2. Doesn’t usually work when there’s only one up-tick. I also use the click and re-click trick.

          3. Not very often that works in my experience, especially where the vote count is low. Clicking, reading and clicking again works every time for me. That’s of course assuming Disqus does not respond to the click by zipping the whole page up of down.

  66. Latest Headline for DT

    Conservatives reject Donald Trump’s calls to ‘get together’ with the Brexit Party

    That’s it then.

    Don’t vote Conservative – vote for the Brexit Party. The Conservative Party, if it wins, will have us suffer the worst humiliation ever imposed upon an independent nation that has not been defeated in war.

    Boris is the bumbling bonking buffoon we always knew him to be.

    BREXIT IS BEST BUT REMAIN IS BETTER THAN BRINO This would not be a bad slogan for those who truly believe that Britain must not surrender to the EU.

    1. If you think Remain is better than Brino – take a look at what the EU is planning for us in the next few years.

      Boris’ Brino deal is not good, but at least it offers an eventual escape route.

      1. It only offers an escape route if Johnson becomes PM and has the will to ‘blow the bloody doors off’ before he gets entangled with Barnier et al. If he’s May in trousers he will go for his fabled FTA and the only thing free about that will be our shrinking trade with the EU. Everything else will cost us our freedom, fish, agriculture, financial centre and plenty of gold. If he wins the GE, Johnson will have about 12 months before the wheels start to come off if he is planning the sellout.

      2. Our MPs have shown us clearly how much damage can be done from within.

        From within the EU we can destroy the monstrosity completely just as Bercow, Grieve, Hammond, Clarke, Stewart and the other pieces of excrement have destroyed all faith in politics.

        But of course the best answer is to leave he EU completely – but the Conservatives hardly even pretend to offer a genuine Brexit.

  67. Always the joking Buffoon Boris is now claiming that it was all a joke and that his ditch was actually a ha ha!

    But seriously, if he should say he would rather be found dead in a ditch than make a pact with Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party we should be optimistic. Boris can be relied upon to break his word and if he breaks his word about not making a pact with Farage then there is still hope that he will.

    3. Morning R,
      Ask yourself, is it really in any of their self interest to
      want OUT ?
      Regardless of what the peoples want, and both have proved this in treachery / use & abuse.

  71. That was a stunning declaration by Nigel Farage. If Boris drops this terrible W/A that keeps us under the EU’s control for years, and commits to the real Brexit that we voted for, then he will work together with the Conservatives to free our country.

    But if Boris sticks to this W/A that stops us leaving the EU for years, then Farage will stand candidates all across the country, apart from those that have “Real Brexit Conservatives” in them, so that we will all have the choice to vote for a Leave MP.

    Now it is in Boris’s court. Does he want a real WTO Brexit, because it is there for the taking. Or does he want to continue with Theresa Mays surrender agreement, in which case the Conservative’s can choose to vote for someone who really does want to Leave.

    This is a win/win for those of us who want to Leave the EU and is one of the most sensible ideas that I have heard in months.

      2. Then it is for us to only vote for Leave candidates and bypass Johnson to be free of the EU. Boris has the chance to get our country free in months. If he really does not want us to be free then he has no more right to be Conservative leader than Theresa May or David Cameron did.

        1. Unfortunately the Brexit Party doesn’t have the numbers to free Britain of the EU. They cannot do it on their own.

          1. My gut feeling is the result will be very close and Boris if he wins will not have a majority. He needs the support of the Brexit party, None of the other parties will work with Boris. I can see the other parties though form a Rainbow Coalition although for that to happen Corbyn would have to go

          2. Mr Corbyn is 70 years young and he is entitled to a fairly good pension now that he has been Leader of the Opposition. Now idea how much, but I guess around 50k. Why stay as leader, except for vanity?

    2. MM,
      Tell me, could it be in the politico’s interest to stay in
      regardless of what the people want ?
      leaver / remainer are politically interchangeable.

    3. Anyone notice the carved words outside the Brexit Party Campaign launch?
      HEAL THE SICK CLEANSE THE LEPERS
      RAISE THE DEAD CAST OUT DEVILS

    4. Farage has put Johnson on the spot. Johnson is, I fancy, believing his own publicity too much for the Country’s good. Corbyn is going for the gullible young voters again with his promise of free everything and what has Johnson to offer them? Try and match Corbyn in a bidding war with our Country as the stake?
      May lost her lead due to her gaffs on Care and Corbyn’s promises. There’s another several hundred thousand new voters who could fall for Corbyn’s nonsense to add to those who fell for it in 2017. Johnson has to be gaff free and run a flawless campaign to get over the winning line. Spurning Farage may be Johnson’s first gaff.

    5. It’s a ”win/win” if the Brexit Party gets a majority or if Boris caves… but it’s a lose/lose and Remain/Hello Venezuela if the Brexit Party puts Jeremy Corbyn into office.

      1. The thing that makes the trap fouler is that Remain is better than the Boris Brino – but Remain might come with a Corbyn price tag. The only acceptable solution for most of us is a proper Brexit with no surrender to the EU – but how can we achieve this?

        (A French view expressed in the Figaro last week was that Boris’s deal is even worse for Britain than May’s WA was.)

      2. Nah, if JC gets in everything will be free and we will live in the land of milk and honey. He said so, therefore it must be true. What’s not to like, especially as it will be his 16 yo voters that pick up the tab. I’ll get me pension.

  72. Baker and Francois – both of whom i thought were true leavers – say that they reject Mr Farage’s offer because Johnson’s deal is “worth having”.

    I give up.

    2. Don’t give up! In the immortal words of J Major: “When an Englishman has his back against the wall he turns and fights!” ….err

      1. Baker and Francois – that has finished the Conservative Party forever as far as I am concerned. Sheer filth the lot of them – may they rot in Hell..

        1. They will always let us down on the EU, they have somehow managed to win the vote of Leavers for decades, now they are wedded to all the globalist and progressive agendas as well.
          It has been all downhill since they got rid of Mrs T.

    4. So loyalty to the absurd Bonker is more important to these new traitors than Britain’s liberty?

      DM Story
      ‘We won’t be bullied’: Defiant Tories reject Nigel Farage’s election ultimatum as hardcore Brexiteers Steve Baker and Mark Francois stand by Boris Johnson’s deal – despite Brexit Party’s threat to stand in EVERY seat

      So Steve Baker and Mark Francois are invertebrates after all who would rather be bullied by the EU and sell out Britain for the Johnson/May capitulation than go for a proper Brexit working with Nigel Farage and Richard Tice.

      This is a profound disappointment. I would spit on them if they were within range. They are beneath contempt.

      Tell it not in Gath, Publish it not in the Streets of Askelon,
      Lest the daughters of the Philistones rejoice
      Lest the daugters of the uncircumcised triumph.
      How are the mighty fallen and the weapons of war perished.

    5. Dear me, Bill baby. Such defeatist talk. All you need to know is that all 650 MPs are all traitors and they will do as they are told to do. Only one MP, the German woman, deserve any respect. Hoey would have made two if she had left Labour and gone independent. This situation will not be resolved by political means.

  73. The Boeing 737 Max crisis continues to get more serious.
    Tens of thousands of American Airlines’ flight attendants fear for their safety and will not work on Boeing 737 Max planes if they return to the air in 2020, the Association of Professional Flight Attendants (APFA) union’s president wrote in a letter to Boeing’s CEO this week, reported Reuters.

    “The 28,000 flight attendants working for American Airlines refuse to walk onto a plane that may not be safe and are calling for the highest possible safety standards to avoid another tragedy,” APFA President Lori Bassani said in the letter (seen by Reuters).

    2. I thought they would have catered for this:

      Qantas grounds 3 737s with cracked pickle forks

      Qantas has removed 3 737NGs from service after inspections revealed they have cracked pickle forks. Inspections were required for 33 of the airline’s 75 737NGs. Multiple airlines have already sent affected aircraft to Boeing’s repair station at Victorville.

  74. Hmm, that’s nice. A big storm last night and half of our little Paradise is without power – just as the first reports of snow showers drift in

    I would rather be golfing but I have to climb up on the roof to replace some tiles. Mr Thomas in my mind to encourage safety.

    1. I have a question for you Miss Polly, what was the difference between Nigel Farage’s conceding defeat speech and his victory speech on the morning of 24th June 2016?

      1. When he made his concede speech, he hadn’t kept up to date with my Leave win prediction !

        1. There was an article on DM about the toing and froing on the referendum going on inside Downing Street. They knew near enough at the time the polls closed that they were going to lose. I could have asked why did he take it upon himself to concede defeat as well. Yes, he should have had you as his personal pollyster.
          Amazing how nobody can answer this question.

    2. 1. “I am…” Not “We are…” All me, me, me…
      Let this be a lesson in ellipses usage too.

    4. 3. Have to wait until around 27.45 mins before “I am” makes an appearance. Then he loses all credibility when he says of Johnson that he “tried his best to improve it.”
      “I am open to local exceptions…”
      The Von Johnson-Faragov Non-Aggression Pact?
      Twice he mentions about Brexit losing.
      Only convincing part IMHO is the Q & A at the end from Fake News outlets.

  76. Deathly silence everywhere. A normally voluble section of our population have no words to say, The Mullahs are mulling it over in silence.
    What do our Muslim citizens think about Brexit ? If they think at all ?
    They have a lot of votes. Genuine, postal, or bent. It would be interesting to know if they care. Or just sit back and get on with jihadding, and think, ” Well, we’re over here. What’s the problem ? “.
    The dogs that didn’t bark in the night.

      1. If it wasn’t for the EUSSR, many of them would not be here. Thanks to the Frau Doktor.

    3. I’m sure you’re not into conspiracy theories
      1)The essence of the Kalergi plan
      In his book ‘Praktischer Idealismus’, Kalergi explains that the citizens of the future “United States of Europe” will not be the people of the Old Continent, but a new mixed breed, the products of thorough and widespread miscegenation. He states that the peoples of Europe should interbreed with Asians and other non-White races, to create a multiracial population, with no clear sense of tradition or identity and therefore easily controlled by the ruling elite.
      2) 1995 Barcelona Declaration – Basically the Yanks bomb hell out of an Islamic region which causes refugee streams. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6d882e4de1635a32eda9f74581808b09a276bc88f169bd27d72137c69cfb66df.jpg

  77. It’s not just Samira Ahmed: the BBC treats all its ‘talent’ appallingly. JANET DALEY. 1 NOVEMBER 2019 • 8:00AM

    Message to Samira Ahmed: it’s not because you’re a woman. The BBC treats its talent appallingly. The word “talent” in this context is not a qualitative judgment: it is just the technical term for those who perform in front of the camera or the microphone rather than behind it. That is to say, the broadcasters – the people who constitute what most viewers and listeners regard as the face and the soul of the BBC.

    It pays them vast sums of money, and yes that applies to the present Samira Ahmed as well, that it extorts under penalty from much poorer people. All this is to some extent to assuage their consciences and suppress any misgivings that they may have about the blatant propaganda that they pass onto the general public. A pattern of corruption that we can see in the EU Parliament, the House of Lords and of course all the neoliberal placemen established in Universities, NGO’s, Charities etc!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/01/not-just-samira-ahmed-bbc-treats-talent-appallingly/

  78. So our three mainstream parties are giving us three electoral choices –

    1) vote for me and get a surrender treaty that will give us another three years of national humiliation before we decide to stay in the EU, plus get soft left Blairite progressive and globalist agenda

    2) vote for me, get all of the above plus a bit of Marxism that wont be able to do much because we will still be in the EU and will have to obey EU fiscal rules.

    3) vote for me and surrender your souls to EU bureaucrats without the pretence.

    2. Finally you’ve got your finger on the pulse. All those years on GP have finally paid off.

  79. If Uncle George really is the brains behind the WA, it would be impossible for the Tories to completely drop it…………

  80. OT – request for help. Can any older NoTTLer recommend good travel insurance for someone soon to be 79 – with two simple pre-existing conditions – HBP and IBS?

    1. The Post Office serve me well in that respect. I have HBP, I’m in my seventies, they know it. Give them a try.

    5. Post Office.
      I’ve used them a couple of times. They’ll take you through any medical conditions, and they’ve been cheaper than other insurers.

  81. We are subject to the EU. When a country is in a position in which it asks another country for agreement or permission to take charge of their own affairs, they are definitively subject to that other country. The UK has twice (I’m losing count) asked for an extension to our leaving date. This is exactly the same as asking permission. We are already vassals.
    We are in the jaws of the dragon. It needs only to close those jaws together. Expect something to happen.

      2. Though a happy marriage is based on love, trust and mutual respect.

        This is the opposite of Britain’s relationship with the EU. A clean and total divorce is the only answer.

      2. I have been seriously derailed by Francois and Baker.

        One’s contempt for those you used to trust and respect runs very deep when you find they have feet of clay. I now want something seriously nasty to befall these treacherous scumbags. How dare they destroy my faith in them?

        I have a particular loathing for Judas Grease Slime which is made all the more virulent and profound by the fact that I used to think he was marvellous. When I dIscovered that he is just an oiled piece of stinking faeces I went off him completely.

  84. I have just checked the DT Rugby Union page and there is not one single article on the Third Place Playoff,betwwen Wales and the All Blacks

    I did find the score 40 – 17 to the All Blacks in the results table.

    Poor show DT, but it is what we have come to expect of you and your TellySubbies

    Also, it is Cur Ian McGeechan in all his articles. Does he feel insecure about his writing talents

  85. It looks as if the Conservatives are using the old trick of “Vote for Us or you will let Labour in”

  86. Vauxhall Bridge closed: Police swarm vehicle by MI6 as ‘red lights flash’ on London HQ

    VAUXHALL Bridge has been closed and police have rushed to the scene in London amid reports of a ‘suspicious vehicle’. Police have confirmed the vehicle is being “assessed by specialist officers”.

    At just after 5.20pm, above The Stag Theatre said they had been evacuated due to a “suspect package on Vauxhall Bridge”.
    They wrote on Twitter: “The theatre has been evacuated by police due to a suspect package on Vauxhall Bridge. We are still planning to open at 6pm however we will update this feed as we receive updates. Thank you.”

    1. Another witness questioned why red lights were flashing on the Mi6 building. They wrote on Twitter: “What’s happening at Vauxhall? Armed police normal police everywhere entrance and exit shut off? Red lights flashing on the Mi6 building?”

  87. BRINO means…….

    Globalism: No more frontiers. These are the voyages of the Starship Globalize. Its globalist mission: to force European countries into EU rule. To seek out independent civilizations and bring all within UN power. To boldly control the world for trillion dollar profits as it has never been controlled before !

    1. Well most sci-fi films of the future have the theme of an evil global power controlling everything. Just like all Yank police enforcement are portrayed as bad or corrupt, so it must be so.

      1. Something notable – and just throwing it out there – is a theme of (certainly 80’s) films of giant corrupt global organisations that didn’t care about employees but only exploitation.

        The turnaround that it’s actually now government who behaves like that hasn’t been the cause of many movies.

          1. Goldman Sachs gave Mandelson £8million for giving them the contract to bring Greece into the EU.

            Sometimes they just bypass the corporation entirely. Same as Major is paid by Credit Suisse to promote their interests at EU level. They’re all at it. All bent, all corrupt, all on the take.

            This isn’t a democracy, it’s a Kleptocracy with officialdom happily pocketing our cash. That’s why they are fighting the referendum so much. It threatens the end of their grand dream.

    2. The Globalist one World government is already in existence, it just hasn’t fully revealed itself yet.

      1. I wonder whether the EU in Brussels would be willing to hand all the powers that they have concentrated for themselves in Europe over to a cabal in the UN?

        If they wouldn’t, and I am fairly sure but not certain that they wouldn’t, it suggests that they don’t really believe in their grand plan, they want to keep everything for themselves.

      2. https://twitter.com/BrugesGroup/status/1181569492792598531?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1181569492792598531&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdisqus.com%2Fembed%2Fcomments%2F%3Fbase%3Ddefault%26f%3Dnottl%26t_i%3D170%2520https%253A%252F%252Fnttl.blog%252F%253Fp%253D170%26t_u%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fnttl.blog%252Ftuesday-8-october-the-supreme-courts-brexit-interventions-are-a-threat-to-democracy%252F%26t_e%3DTuesday%25208%2520October%253A%2520The%2520Supreme%2520Court%25E2%2580%2599s%2520Brexit%2520interventions%2520are%2520a%2520threat%2520to%2520democracy%26t_d%3DTuesday%25208%2520October%253A%2520The%2520Supreme%2520Court%25E2%2580%2599s%2520Brexit%2520interventions%2520are%2520a%2520threat%2520to%2520democracy%26t_t%3DTuesday%25208%2520October%253A%2520The%2520Supreme%2520Court%25E2%2580%2599s%2520Brexit%2520interventions%2520are%2520a%2520threat%2520to%2520democracy%26s_o%3Ddesc%23version%3Df947c59ba844be30eb6f8709d7e03029

        1. Yep, I’d rather all the attention wasn’t just focused on him though, he’s the bagman being used to divert attention away from the army of Globaists, many wealthier and his superiors.

  88. Thanks, chums, for the insurance ideas. Will pursue tomorrow.

    I am off for the (rather dreary, damp and drizzly) day. One of those days when you can’t face going out and it appeared to get dark about 2 pm.

    Flat iron steak for supper plus our own potatoes and greens. Washed down with a cheeky little bottle of Chateau Léoville Barton 1986….

    A demain.

    3. I had a trip to Bordeaux in the 70s. The company I worked for were agents for Barton & Guestier and we visited Chateau Langoa Barton and were welcomed by Ronald Barton. Léoville Barton is produced at Chateau Langoa.

  89. SNP LEADER Nicola Sturgeon declared Section 30, which grants the opportunity to allow for a second Scottish independence referendum, will be delivered to Downing Street before Christmas.

    2. All she needs to ensure is that whole of the UK gets to vote. Scotland would become an eco-wilderness and could power away by reversing current flow from grid to turbines.

  90. Brexit Party Launch Their First 5 Policies

    1) Abolish House of Lords

    2) Replacing FPTP with a PR System

    3) Supreme Court to be radically Reformed

    4) Legislation to be introduced to allow electorate to force a bye election where MP’s switch parties

    5) Reform of current postal voting system

    1. Nigel is a breath of fresh air.

      We’re tired of the same old LibLab/Con. Its time the career politicians on the gravy train faced reality..

      1. I so agree. I am writing to my MP James Cleverly (Tory Party Chairman) to warn him that Boris has lost my vote unless he accepts that a deal with Farage for a WTO exit is enacted and part of the Tory election manifesto.

    2. As UKIP has self destructed, Brexit can now pinch their policies. No surprises as NF is the leader.

      1. They could do a lot worse; the UKIP manifesto was surprisingly good and it was independently costed.

        I hope they don’t make UKIP’s mistake by not identifying who the spokesmen and women are for the major ministry’s.

    3. The first is the own benefit.

      What about after that? What about school vouchers for schools? Reformation of the NHS to be paidafter they’ve done the work (as other systems work)? Scrapping VAT? Radically reducing corporation tax? Flattening the tax bands and scrapping the upper rate?

      The effort gone to to avoid paying egregious amounts of tax is monstrous. The wife’s fed up with it but the alternative is that more of her income goes to the state than she gets. It has done nothing to provide that income so why does it get more than half and close to two thirds?

  91. MICHELLE DEWBERRY slammed the Conservatives and Labour for letting down Leave voters in the north. Ms Dewberry also revealed she has been approached to stand for the Brexit Party in the upcoming December general election.

    The Brexit Party launched their general election campaign earlier today and Ms Dewberry could well be part of it going forward as it was revealed she has been in talks with Nigel Farage’s party about standing for them in a northern Leave constituency. Michelle Dewberry was appearing on the BBC’s Politics Live when the host asked her: “Michelle, the Brexit party approached you to stand as one of their candidates,

  92. Brexit fears are killing off Germany’s crucial car industry as Berlin battles recession

    BREXIT uncertainty is killing off the German car industry at a time when Berlin sits on the knife edge of a crippling recession, it has emerged.

    The fourth delay to Britain leaving the EU was announced this week, with Boris Johnson also finally getting his Christmas wish to hold a general election on December 12 to end the Brexit deadlock. After 40 gruelling months of negotiations and the Prime Minister’s deal on the horizon, Brexit is now postponed until January 31. The move in delaying Brexit has seen German trade with the UK fall by more than 8billion euros in three years since the announcement of the EU referendum result in 2016, according to Alexander Börsch, chief economist at Deloitte, as well as head of the Brexit Task Force.

    2. There are so many things I could say.
      But I mustn’t be nasty our European friends.
      (Snigger …)

      1. Brexit may play a part but world wide car sales have stopped growing largely down to the politicians nd the confused and inconsistent messages they put out

      2. I always buy German cars for the reliability. I just ordered a replacement for my Golf, a 4wd petrol T-Roc.

        My legs and joints are creaking and I need a floor plate several inches higher above the road for better access and comfort when getting in and out. In addition the roads around here are dilapidated and potholed and the verges are crumbling so a bit of extra traction on muddy earth will be useful.

        Over the years I have bought multiple Saabs but quit after they sold out to General Motors, then had Beemers but they cost a fortune to service (a bit more expensive than Saab to be truthful), then Toyota but the bodywork was ‘tinny’.

        Germans make the best cars.

        1. “In addition the roads around here are dilapidated and potholed and the verges are crumbling”

          We all suspeceted you lived in an up market area of the UK.

          In the “real” UK it’s worse.

          };-O

          1. Crikey. As a child I experienced incarceration in not one but two children’s homes. I had a year and more in Muller’s Home in Uphill near Weston super Mare and a few years later a couple of years in Threeways Home in Combe Down in Bath.

            Everything I have is the result of my overcoming severe disadvantage. I obtained 10 O-Levels and 3 A-Levels at the City of Bath Technical School and degrees from the University of Sheffield and University College London. I was awarded the Draughtsmanship Prize at Sheffield in my third year, a prize then reserved for fifth year students.

            I am responsible for many good and honest buildings two of which have been listed in my lifetime viz. Richmond House Whitehall Listed Grade II* and Drummond Gate (Rampayne Street) Listed Grade II.

            I live in a mediaeval thatched hovel in North Essex which I have painstakingly restored following its vandalisation by ignoramuses in the fifties and sixties.

            I continue to do my bit even though semi-retired.

          2. All that hard work, all the successes, improving one’s lot, and what do you get?

            “roads around here are dilapidated and potholed and the verges are crumbling”

            No matter how hard one works, nor how successful one is, it’s the blighters above us that make our lives a misery!

            };-))

            More power to your elbow.

        2. I drove two Saabs for 11 years each. Very reliable comfortable cars. Sold the last one and bought an A5 coupe with just 56 “delivery” miles on the clock and almost 40% of the list price. Diesel plus Ad blue means very low emissions and VED of just £30 pa which isn’t bad for a 190bhp motor and on long distance runs if I stay around the speed limit it does 62mpg. It is due its first MOT next week but hasn’t yet done 5000 miles…

  94. Well, it’s been a wet and gloomy day. I’ve rather given up looking at newspapers; can’t take it anymore! As a friend of ours said: “I’d rather be a cheerful nincompoop than a miserable old sod.” But then I came across this article and Rastus asked me to show you. It is All Saints’ Day, after all.

    https://www.lci.fr/police/degradations-au-cimetiere-de-cognac-des-crucifix-renverses-a-deux-jours-de-la-toussaint-on-ne-peut-qu-etre-sous-le-choc-2136424.html

    To summarise: About a hundred tombs (out of four and a half thousand) were vandalised in Breuil (near Cognac) last Tuesday night. No indication as yet as to who the perpetrators were, but the vandals made a point of destroying Christian symbols.

      1. The Muslims destroyed Notre Dame and have attempted to destroy St Sulpice. It is kicking off all over France with churches being set alight all over the country. I expect similar will occur in England shortly.

        1. I find it thoroughly depressing when an investigative agency covers up what really happened. For their pathetic reasons of social cohesion. There isn’t any and will never be.

          2. The truth will out but not in the lifetimes of people living now. It gives those responsible time enough to get away.

            And it won’t come out eventually because the organisations that have control of the data can easily alter it.

    3. Of course they did, it is fundamental to, and the very basis of, our culture. And done with the tacit connivance of our leaders; they wish to see our culture deposited in the dustbin of history, like all communists everywhere.

        1. I have a copy of Murray’s book. I haven’t read it yet! I will need to be feeling strong. I feel it will confirm only that which I have come to realise over the last 20 years, in greater detail and with many depressing examples.

          I ‘came to realisation’ when I started to question why so many illogical events and situations were happening in our lives… the reply has to be, especially when laws to prevent things happening are removed, and like a child’s perennial question of ‘why’ – the reply can only be that the ptb want these things to happen. So again why?? And then you really do fall down the rabbit hole when you realise the madness that is surrounding and encroaching. You start to see that your culture is being trashed all around you – the slow but steady removal of the basis of that culture – christianity – ’emptying the churches’, trashing the family, law and order, education – abolishing our little subcultures such as morris dancing and conkers in the guise of Health and Safety (always in the guise of ‘it is good for you’ or some minority group being promoted). Nothing is ever seldom simply banned, in case people see the truth of the matter. The list is endless and I could go on at great length!

  95. The “Now Show” on radio four is much, much funnier than usual.

    Well balanced political humour.

  96. General election 2019: Could the NHS be “up for sale”?

    It is all rubbish and even this BBC article could find no evidence to back up Corbyns claim

    Of course Drug prices would be in talks with the US as many drugs are US sourced, The NHS would as well have annual contract negotiations with the drug companies

    Fuelling this row was a documentary by Channel 4 Dispatches which asserted that the price the NHS pays for US medicines could rise steeply in any future trade deal with the United States. The programme reported that “drug pricing” had been discussed in six initial meetings between trade officials from the UK and the US and that there had been “secret meetings” between the pharmaceutical companies and British civil servants.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50266347

  97. Donald Trump Not Popular in UK

    This in my view is a media myth. The media certainly do not like Trump nor do the Labour leadership but amongst most of the ordinary electorate he is quite popular

      1. I don’t think he has ever upvoted anybody.

        At least I have never seen his name in the list of those who have up-voted when I do so.

    4. Hmm. Not so sure about that. Most of the public mostly know only what they’re told by the media. Almost everyone I know, not online, has a negative view of him. The ones who get their news elsewhere are more likely to support him.

  98. Evening, all. I fail to see how voting for a party that has, for more than 40 years, been pro-EU would ensure we leave. After all, the Cons took us in (Heath lied through his not insubstantial teeth), Maggie signed the Acts to further integration (and was removed when she saw the light), Major signed Maastricht which gave us the EU, and Cameron campaigned for remain. Bojo couldn’t make up his mind between leave and remain and virtually flipped a coin, having consulted the seaweed to see which way public opinion was going. Conviction politicians they most certainly are not. Corbyn doesn’t know his ar$e from his elbow and would turn us into Venezuela overnight and the Limp Dims are anything but liberal or democratic. I no longer trust Nigel, so it looks like a spoiled ballot paper for me.

      1. He has slagged off people (like me) who served him well when he was leader of UKIP. Don’t expect me to forgive or forget that. Also, he is not a team player. This is his party, with no NEC and no members and, as far as I can see, no plan for post Brexit.

        1. Conway – you know that I like your comments, but spoiling your ballot paper at this CRITICAL time for our country is unbelievable. We will not get this chance again, and if we are locked into the EU for another 11 years under the authority of the European Court of Justice then our borders will stay open, another 3.3 million “new arrivals” will appear and they will all vote to stay in the EU permanently. Our country will be lost.

          I have had arguments with people in the past, but I would not throw away my country over them. We will not get another meaningful chance after this. 5 years from now the United Kingdom will be as broke as Spain, with so much debt that the EU has poured onto us… We will be in a pit that we cannot climb back out of. Or we can vote to be completely free of the EU in a few short months.

          Hate Farage all you like, but don’t hate all of those working with him to free us. As for future plans, he has run political parties for many years and knows more about it than many who call themselves politicians. This chance is too important to throw away.

          1. My MP is Owen Paterson – he has a rock solid majority and has made all the right noises about Brexit. It wouldn’t matter if I didn’t turn out to vote (although I will). Spoiling my ballot paper (I have done that before and Paterson was still elected) will make no difference whatsoever.

        1. I was a Ukip member for 2 years. A ‘superficial’ one if you like. I just can’t see this virulent, almost hatred of Nigel Farage.
          Isn’t the true goal of all (mainly) of us to get a clean exit from the EU monster?

          1. Did you know that Nigel voted (in a back room of the EU) for an extension? I have it first hand from someone (Stuart Agnew) who was there and witnessed it. He said he was gobsmacked. I won’t say I virulently hate Nigel, just that I don’t trust him and I can’t forget what he said about us activists once he ditched us.

          2. An extension to Article 50 is infinitely preferable to the disaster of the EU’s Withdrawal Agreement which traps us for years. I want us out of the EU with a WTO Brexit, but I would vote for an extension before I ever voted to tie us under EU control for another 11 years.

          3. I want WTO terms, too. We should have been out in March with no extension. All that faffing around has allowed the remainers to take charge of the agenda and put obstacles in the way of leaving. The longer we extend (and this won’t be the last one) the more money we are chucking away.

          4. As to the extension business, I heard him say (openly) that an extension and a General Election would be better than WA Mk2.
            The other stuff I don’t know about.

        2. Somehow, May simply didn’t count in the grand scheme of things. I can understand why she wasn’t included.

    4. At least write something amusing on the spoilt paper to give the poor so-and-so’s counting a gentle laugh.

  99. I caught this on the news but I wasn’t paying too much attention. From what I heard I didn’t think that Johnson answered the question, creating a diversion to the NHS and then waffling a bit. I’ve watched it again and I’m convinced he avoided a straight answer to the trade deals question. If blustering his way through interviews is going to be his tactic he will come unstuck. Master of detail Farage will do Johnson down if they have a leaders’ debate(s) live on the box. Listen to the 2 minutes and ask yourself, did he answer the question unequivocally?

    https://twitter.com/BrexitHome/status/1190330744893329408

      1. Leaders are usually not detail people. They tend to have the vision and employ others to work out the detail.
        It used to be the case that directors directed but now they all want to be managers and do it themselves for which they are ill equipped.

      2. His forte is oratory. He is a brilliant speaker. He doesn’t sweat the small stuff and he doesn’t foster a team to deliver the details. He is also a notoriously bad judge of character.

      1. Hmm… Bit difficult when a politician. They tend to forget themselves and surprise us occasionally and inadvertedly tell the truth.

  100. The following pics are my Clematis which has flowered twice this year. It has again flowered in the last week and continues to do so. Obviously a frost will see the blooms off but i can’t help thinking how good greenhouse gas is for growing things. I also noticed this week that the Ozone layer is smaller than it has been for a long time. I must ask Greta what she thinks….

    Note. The blue tarp in the background is my winter setting to protect my potted Oleander. (Not sure why i bother).

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0c20b2ada848799ec79d0e56ccaf3508351d9e0545a92847d880733c603e85b8.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d27f91e897c18a560d6bb007f9d0214a8c57c12f52ed4efdba2c973ebd499986.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c3a529314ee333b23bf9f605a3ddc20db52b2244d8bd52c29c4a075632f01bc8.jpg

    November 1st 2019

      1. Can’t remember. I’m a bit of a slouch with labels. This pic was taken in the evening but i don’t think it is that one. The colours are more purple than blue. Ask me next week and i might possibly have an answer….or maybe not. I did have a fantastic crop of tomatoes and Padron peppers. Thank goodness i didn’t grow trombetti this year….I would be inundated !

          2. Those trombetti are the most amazing plants. We went to Cornwall for a week in September and found that on our return the three plants were making a bid for freedom all points of the compass. They are so prolific. We can’t find enough people to pass on the goodies, they start to pale when they see us approach….

          3. Bill Thomas is trying to take over the world with his trombetti.

            We will all eventually have to live in his shade. Might not be a bad thing. :o)

        2. Maybe it’s ‘Etoile Violette’

          Perle d’Azure is sky blue, I grow it with the climbing rose Albertine. ….

      1. I have had a bout of gastro-enteritis. It has rather knocked me for six. I am on the mend now, though. Thank you for your concern.

    1. “They cannot be named for legal reasons.”

      I think that’s probably because they are involved with other cases. The webs are huge and I’m afraid that nothing is going to persuade me that they are not interconnected, feeding from each other.

    2. Two of them are named. One of them did a bunk to Pakistan. I’m getting sick of the euphemism ” Asian ” It is an insult to non-Pakistani Asians.

          1. I think he took up a broom to deal with all the crumbs after the loaves and fishes incident rather than face a 2000 dinari fine for littering….

      1. Evening WS,
        Protected species, come under the lab/lib/con pro eu coalition party unwritten PC / Appeasement rulings.

    2. “I played Richard III.”

      (Whisper) “Five curtain calls…”

      “There were five curtain calls. I was an actor once, damn it. Now look at me. Look at me! I won’t go out there and say that stupid line one more time.”

  108. Now there’s a new one.
    Disqus
    Error 503 Backend fetch failed.

    Sounds like something Rainbow Six gets involved with.

  110. Good night, my friends

    The fact that Mark Francois and Steve Baker have come out so vehemently against Nigel Farage and in favour of Boris Johnson’s Surrender to the EU ‘deal’ will probably cost the Conservative Party millions of votes and lose them the election.

    Whether you think this is a good thing or not depends on whether you think Boris’s sell out Surrender will solve anything or just make matters much worse and prolong the misery.

    In my view a complete and totally clean Brexit is the only answer.

  111. Why doesn’t Boris dump the WA ?

    Why doesn’t Boris go WTO ?

    Why doesn’t Boris deal with the BP ?

    Why doesn’t he do what’s logical ?

    Theory……….

    Because he knows the WA belongs to G S and G S knows too much about the history of the Conservative Party.

    IF that’s true……

    …..it would explain A Lot of mysteries…

      1. Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive – but to be young was very heaven.

        This was William Wordsworth’s original view of the French Revolution but he then grew up and changed his mind. Some people never grow up.

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