566 thoughts on “Friday 13 September: Interfering in politics puts judges on a collision course with the people who elect Parliament”

  2. Far right extremist Tommy Robinson ‘will be freed from prison at the weekend’. Neil Murphy. 11 SEP 2019.

    Far right extremist Tommy Robinson could be freed from prison this weekend, according to Katie Hopkins.

    Robinson, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, is currently being held in London’s HMP Belmarsh after being jailed in July for contempt of court.

    Morning everyone. That’s some good news anyway. The Mirror wanted to be sure to get all the standard propaganda memes in as early as possible. Even Katie Hopkins has become “controversial”. Lol!

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/far-right-extremist-tommy-robinson-20033550

    1. Keep the cell reserved for far right extremist Boris Johnson for when he doesn’t go begging to the EU for a leaving date extension

  3. ‘Morning All

    If you thought the Armed Forces may have escaped the Common Purpose cancer,sadly you were wrong

    The “You couldn’t make it up files” gets an outing

    “The army is to undergo a green revolution, as the force’s most senior

    general announced that its present tanks and vehicles will be the last

    to run on fossil fuels.

    General Sir Mark Carleton-Smith,

    55, said yesterday that the next generation of equipment used by the

    service must instead rely on “clean technology” such as solar power.

    He

    said that establishing an eco-friendly reputation was essential to

    future recruitment, as younger people “increasingly make career

    decisions based on a prospective employer’s environmental credentials”.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/army-will-phase-out-fossil-fuels-with-mean-green-killing-machines-jlsvfqwfl

    1. Hmm… batteries and solar power very useful in the Arctic night… The Russians must be rolling on the ground with laughter!
      Eejits, the lot of them.

        1. I’ve just Googled Li ion battery weights. If my maths is correct {((45g x 7104) ÷ 1000) = 320} i.e. a Tesla 85Kwh battery weighs in at around 320Kgs. How far and fast will one of those move a 60 ton MBT?

        2. “I’m trying to imagine the battery pack for a 60 ton Main Battle Tank”

          With all the batteries it might well be a 100 tonner.

          1. Correct a simple widder woman if you must, but I thought since time immemorial all Armies had batteries (of men)!

            :-))

      2. The tanks have been practising boom boom in the rain on the ranges this past week , i dare say they will have had to hose the mud off themselves and their tanks ..

        Why are these twerps assuming all future wars will be fought where the sun shines?

        Morning OB.

        1. Morning, Bill.
          No snow ‘ere, dahn sarf, but warnings that, if you plan to drive across the mountains, you should fit winter tyres already.

      4. Generals like to chose to fight battles on ground of their own choosing. If the General is correct then a new condition will be added i.e. where his army has more recharging points available per tank than his opponent.

    2. …“increasingly make career decisions based on a prospective employer’s environmental credentials”.

      Any chance the General will make his evidence for this sweeping statement public or is it merely his opinion?
      Salary, benefits package, location, career progression etc will all be sacrificed on whether or not the employer obtains their electricity from windmills or solar, doesn’t serve meat in the staff restaurant and any of the other “green” fads that may be invented anytime soon. Picky lot these younger people.

      1. Useful if you want to sneak up to an enemy in silence. Electric motors also have great torque and can be charged locally without needing fuel supply lines.

        Military effectiveness is the only criterion that matters in combat. All else is nice, but secondary.

    6. Presumably the Royal Navy will be converting to sail power. HMS Victory would be brought out of dry dock. No need to recommission – it’s still in commission.

  4. Second referendum could provide us with a route out of purgatory. PETER FOSTER EUROPE EDITOR. 13 SEPTEMBER 2019.

    Another day of negotiations in Brussels ended this week without “tangible progress”, to quote one EU diplomat, raising further questions over how the Brexit impasse might be broken – both in London and Europe.

    This is Premium so I haven’t read the entire article but the headline speaks for itself. Mr Foster is an editor so it is reasonable to assume that he writes with the approval of the PTB at the Telegraph which would signal a change of policy. We need to watch a few more days to be absolutely certain as the Journalists will alter their stance by increments to conform. If I’m correct then Brexit is finished! There will be a Referendum of some description, it doesn’t matter what the questions will be, since Remain will triumph by whatever means and methods are necessary.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/13/second-referendum-could-provide-us-route-purgatory/

    1. Another referendum is an irrelevance: without a parliament committed to upholding a vote for Brexit we will still be in the absurd position we are now in if we get another Leave vote.

      We need a general election with an alliance of parties for staying in the EU (Lib/Dem/Labour/Green etc) and for leaving the EU unconditionally (Conservtaive and TBP) leading to a clear result of a parliament which is capable of carrying out the wishes of the alliance which secured the most votes

      The current composition of Parliament is simply not fit for purpose – and neither is the disgraceful Speaker.

      1. without a parliament committed to upholding a vote for Brexit – at the last election, they all wrote that they would, in their manifestos, but they lied. Why would anyone trust them this time?

    2. If there were to be a second referendum, with the same question asked – Leave or Remain – and the vote was to Leave, then nothing would have changed. The route to Brexit would still be blocked by Parliament.
      The only reason to have a second referendum would be to reverse the decision and remain. Parliamentarians would then breathe a sigh of relief and continue in their plans to subjugate the UK to the EU.

  5. All this Brexit malarkey sounds like our political class have been given an ultimatum they cannot refuse and they are trying to create a theatrical way of fulfilling it without the electorate knowing.

  6. Who died and made you king??

    John Bercow has vowed “creativity” in Parliament if Boris Johnson ignores the law designed to stop a no-deal Brexit.

    The Commons Speaker also said in a speech that the only possible Brexit was one backed by MPs.

    A

    new law, passed before the suspension of Parliament, forces the PM to

    seek a delay until 31 January 2020, unless a deal or no-deal exit is

    approved by MPs by 19 October.

    The PM has said he would rather be “dead in a ditch” than ask for a delay.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49683797

    1. The role of Speaker in the past has always seemed a bit of a chore to me, now the role appears to be the most powerful post in the country.

  7. Lilly Allen claims she was sexually assaulted by an industry figure

    I am very skeptical sounds like a bit of publicity seeking. The story sounds very unbelievable

    She lost her hotel room keys. Well hotels have things called reception and guess what they can let you into your room

    Allen says the sexual assault took place on a work trip to the Caribbean in 2016.
    She told The Next Episode she had been with a record industry executive at a party before heading back to their hotel.
    “We got to my hotel. I couldn’t find my room keys. So he was like, ‘Well, why don’t you sleep in my bed while I go and get the keys or whatever.’ So I passed out in his bed.
    “I woke up and he was in my bed naked slapping my bum.”
    She said she could feel him trying to have sex with her.
    “I made a decision, I didn’t want to go to the police. I didn’t want to make a fuss and I wanted to keep it quiet.

    1. Alcohol clouds the judgement. That’s why they don’t like you drinking and driving.
      So, she got into someone else’s bed whilst pizzed as a newt, and didn’t like the results.

    2. “Didn’t want to make a fuss”. Probably not rape then Ms Allen, so why bring it up after all these years.

  9. In my non-professional opinion, Speaker Bercow is showing growing signs of a Delusional personality and is unfit for office. He ignores the result of the 2016 referendum, he ignores the legal terms of Article 50 and is patently supporting the Remain side of Brexit with his public determination to reverse Brexit. Recent events have shown his delusional grandeur at its worst. He must step down and seek psychiatric advice.

      1. Morning T-B Bercow probably has several mental conditions and he certainly has the Napoleon complex. He is betraying the people of this country by his treacheroous behaviour. Imagine a referee, at the start of a vital football match announcing to the fans that he is supporting one of the teams and will do everyting he can creatively do to ensure his side wins the game. He would be torn to shreds.

    2. I don’t think so. Imho he shows signs of something else, and I think others in parliament show identical symptoms.

    3. LBC news: Speaker declares that only Parliament can approve the Brexit outcome. What, therefore, was the point of the referendum? The decision of 17.4 million voters immediately ignored by a few hundred MPs because the Leave voters’ decision doesn’t chime with the MPs’ choice of outcome . That is not democracy, that’s tyranny.
      It is now clear that the electorate is being sidelined by a combination of many of the people elected to Parliament, a partisan Speaker and a politicised judiciary that together are attempting to usurp the people’s sovereignty.
      One doesn’t have to delve very deeply to see that this “model” accords precisely with the direction the EU is taking. The referendum has exposed the EU’s influence on many of our politicians and their, slowly, slowly catchee monkey approach to destroying our democratic system has had to be accelerated and now is clearly visible. The sunlit uplands of Remain mythology do not exist, future despotic rule from Brussels is the plan. If the people lose this battle then voting will become an irrelevance.

      1. “It is now clear that the electorate is being sidelined by a combination of many of the people elected to Parliament, a partisan Speaker and a politicised judiciary that together are attempting to usurp the people’s sovereignty.”
        Violent revolution is getting closer.

      2. It’s so interesting that the BBC(of all people) are at the moment showing a series on how democracy was ruined in the 1930s by the Nazis.

        Even more interesting is that a number of German historians are so honest about it……yet they won’t comment about the insidious creep of loss of democracy in the EU.

        Well worth watching!

        1. There must be the strong suspicion that the BBC are only showing this program in an attempt to paint The Brexit Party and Conservatives who want to Leave the EU as the new nazi’s. The “rise of the right” led to world war, and so, by their implication, we must resist the right and stay in the European Union.

          The BBC are not interested in telling the truth about the EU as we know, and they are inverting reality once again by portraying Leavers as the bad guys.

    4. He is above the law and can do what he likes. He is above the Queen, and certainly above the PM, whom he can bully and torment “creatively” at will. What can they do? Sack him?

      The majority of safe-seaters love him.

  11. Good morning all. Another gorgeous day awaits…..our penultimate one on hols…{:¬(( Shall be on the beach by 11 am.

    Have a good Friday.

  13. SIR – Will the Government also be publishing its reasonable, worst-case predictions for Britain under a Corbyn government? I suspect these would make Yellowhammer look benign.

    Jonathan Bailey
    Bratton, Wiltshire

    Where to begin?

  15. SIR – Brexiteers have clearly set out their stall, so surely Remainers should share their vision of Britain’s future within the EU.

    For instance, it is generally accepted that the euro cannot survive without a federal Europe, and a federal Europe cannot survive without a common currency. So if Britain remains in the EU it will be dragged into a federal Europe and, by default, the euro.

    Do Remainers really want to be part of an undemocratic, protectionist, dystopian superstate? If so why?

    Christopher Lambert
    Tadworth, Surrey

    Remainers (a) lack self-awareness, (b) lack imagination other than when describing the awfulness of Leavers, (c) harbour a cuddly notion that they are nice people and ‘oh so superior’, so everything will be OK, innit.

    2. Morning to you

      I was part of a large group, we were similar ages , gathered together for a meeting last night , it was compulsory .. and official ..

      It was interesting, and consisted of lots of legal guidance and discussion etc..

      What ruined the meeting for me was the final subtle dig and superior smugness and judgement clearly aimed at Brexit and our PM.

      I had a long dark journey home afterwards , and hate driving in the dark, but I felt more uncomfortable with the after effects of some of the pious rantings I overheard!

  16. Morning all

    SIR – With the Scottish judgment on prorogation, the politicisation of our judicial system seems complete.

    For centuries, the courts avoided interfering directly in political matters. Tony Blair’s 2003 reform of the legal system emboldened them, and they have become increasingly political and hungry to expand their jurisdiction. The Scottish judgment is an extreme example, based entirely on politics rather than a point of law.

    The judiciary’s actions imply a new, un-British legal concept of government actions being held “unconstitutional”. This is an absurdity, given that Britain’s constitution is unwritten. It is also dangerous on several levels, the main one being that courts, which apply the law, should not also seek to make it.

    If the judiciary persists in this direction it cannot continue to be self-appointing, as in practice it is now. The people must always have the ultimate right to choose and reject those who frame the laws, as they do with MPs in general elections.

    A key principle of our common law system is that law should be clear and predictable. It is to be hoped that our courts will remain above and outside politics. If they do not, they risk bringing the law into contempt.

    Gregory Shenkman
    London W8

    SIR – If the Supreme Court rules that the proroguing of Parliament was not lawful, what is the Government to do that it has not done already if it wishes to have a Queen’s Speech and a new session? Won’t the Supreme Court have effectively made it unlawful to start a new parliamentary session?

    Julian Gall
    Godalming, Surrey

    1. SIR – Operation Yellowhammer is a list of things that may happen if we leave the EU, but which will almost certainly be corrected within a few months.

      Should we not have a similar list of things that may happen if we remain in the EU, which could last forever?

      Our Armed Forces, for example, may be controlled from Europe. We may be allocated a number of illegal immigrants annually. Some of our taxes may be increased and paid directly to the EU. An EU directive may discontinue some of the medicines we use. There may be civil disorder.

      Operation Yellowhammer suddenly seems less alarming.

      Brian Tordoff
      Chalfont Saint Giles, Buckinghamshire

    2. The Court would be telling the nation that the Queen’s Speech applied by Theresa May in 2017 is to its liking and must be imposed indefinitely. They will cancel the general election next, in the same manner they already cancelled hustings in 2017. The makeup of MPs in that election is to their liking and must be imposed unconditionally, regardless whether these MPs, some of whom have crossed the floor, earn the confidence of the nation.

      All we need then is a Central Commissioner (aka “The Speaker”) to govern policy and implementation and enforcement, and the whole archaic establishment of Queen and Country and parliamentary representation be rendered academic and redundant. Best to replace them with Public Relations consultants, who also have the role of policing “inappropriate thinking” and bring it to the attention of the Central Commissioner’s enforcement team.

      Sieg heil!

  17. SIR – I am sick of the phrase “working class”, the definition of which seems to be anyone who actually works for a living but did not go to university.

    I “worked” for the NHS, so along with the majority of the population, I assume that makes me “working class”.

    Y D Riddle
    Turvey, Bedfordshire

  18. A happy Friday 13 to those who don’t suffer from paraskevidekatriaphobia or, for Herr Oberst, friggatriskaidekaphobia

    2. I was born on Friday the 13th. I make a point of walking under ladders and defying this primitive nonsense.

      1. Excellent.
        It’s a great pity more people don’t defy primitive nonsense in so many areas affecting our and their lives

  19. Morning again

    SIR – Yes, occasionally a car or van will park awkwardly, but almost every street I walk along is blocked not by vehicles but by uncontrolled vegetation and badly placed lamp-posts and signposts. What prevents local councils dealing with this issue? Perhaps councillors don’t walk anywhere very often.

    Stan Grabecki
    St Albans, Hertfordshire

  21. Douglas Carswell

    @DouglasCarswell

    “Having refused to implement the 2016 referendum result, some MPs are now launching a choreographed campaign for a second rigged referendum to overturn it.”

    7:04 am – 12 Sep 2019

    Doug shows signs of shyness.

    Who is the choreographer ?

    Can anyone help ?

  22. Disturbingly, the main concern of Blair’s think-tank appears to be the online verbal “hatred” displayed by citizens in response to terrorist attacks — not the actual physical expression of hatred shown in the mass murders of innocent people by terrorists.
    Terrorist attacks, it would appear, are now supposedly normal,
    unavoidable incidents that have become part and parcel of UK life.

    Unlike proscribed groups that are banned for criminal actions such as violence or terrorism, the designation of “hate group” would mainly be prosecuting thought-crimes.

    Democratic values, however, appear to be the think-tank’s least concern. The
    proposed law would make the British government the arbiter of accepted
    speech, especially political speech. Such an extraordinary and radically
    authoritarian move would render freedom of speech an illusion in the
    UK.

    The Home Office would be able to accuse any group it found
    politically inconvenient of “spreading intolerance” or “aligning with
    extremist ideologies” — and designate it a “hate group”.

    The Tony Blair Institute for Global Change has released a report, Designating Hate: New Policy Responses to Stop Hate Crime, which recommends radical initiatives to tackle “hate” groups, even if they have not committed any kind of violent activity.
    Well the second to last para would see us lot B*ggered !!

    1. See episode 2 of the “Rise of the Nasties”….

      Horrifying parallel with what the Illib Undem lefturds are achieving already…..

    3. Modern ‘liberal’ thinking is absolutely shocking when compared with traditional values. That is, of course, what cultural marxism is all about. The most hateful group being the slammers who hate anyone and everyone, but we had better not say it.

  25. Mark Steyn

    “Who’s winning what turf? After 16 years of western military

    occupation, the Taliban control more territory in Afghanistan than at

    any time since the first US troops went in. On the other hand, after 16

    years of accelerating Islamic immigration, Europe has more no-go zones,

    more sharia courts, more refugees, more covered women, more

    Muslim-dominated schoolhouses, more radical mosques, more female genital

    mutilation, more grooming and gang rape, more Muslim Brotherhood front

    groups, more Muslim mayors and legislators, more Muslim-funded Middle

    East Studies programs at universities …and fewer churches, fewer Jews

    in Toulouse, fewer gays in Amsterdam, fewer unaccompanied women out

    after dark in German and Swedish cities, fewer historical

    representations of Mohammed in Continental museums, art galleries and

    scholarly books, fewer mixed bathing sessions at municipal swimming

    pools, fewer lessons on the Crusades and the Holocaust in European

    schools …and less and less free speech in some of the oldest

    democracies on earth.

    In Afghanistan, we’re fighting for something not worth winning, and

    we’re losing. In Europe, Islam is fighting for something very much worth

    winning, and they’re advancing. And, according to all the official

    strategists in Washington and elsewhere, these two things are nothing to

    do with each other.

    To be fair, a lot of the ever increasing restraints on free

    expression are self-imposed: newspapers decide that it would be

    “insensitive” to publish certain cartoons, publishers politely decline

    novels on certain themes, and in Minnesota (where I’ll be in a couple of weeks) white progressives agonize that remembering 9/11 is “Islamophobic”

    https://www.steynonline.com/9730/the-language-of-losing

    1. A further sobering thought is that many of our Members of Parliament, in all parties, know that this is the reality of what is happening in the world. Their profession is politics, they MUST know. But they continue to pursue policies that will keep us tied to the European Union and the United Kingdom’s borders open.

      They are deliberately allowing the invasion of this country to continue, with all of the chaos and violence that this will mean for our futures. They are trying to bring this country down and take away our democracy. We still have time to remove these people at the ballot box, but not for much longer.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/043c0fcc7ac85e41f00c4fd8a30b71416b1240587c25045f7c3ae2ee32a0cade.jpg

  26. Given the tension throughout Europe, we must be aware of what is being done in the interests of Security

    The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent terrorist threats and have therefore raised their security level from “Miffed” to “Peeved.” Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to “Irritated” or even “A Bit Cross.” The English have not been “A Bit Cross” since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies
    nearly ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from “Tiresome” to “A Bloody Nuisance.” The last time the British issued a “Bloody Nuisance” warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.

    The Scots have raised their threat level from “Pissed Off” to “Let’s Get the Bastards.” They don’t have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.

    The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from “Run” to “Hide.” The only two higher levels in France are “Collaborate” and “Surrender.” The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France’s white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country’s military capability.

    Italy has increased the alert level from “Shout Loudly and Excitedly” to “Elaborate Military Posturing.” Two more levels remain: “Ineffective Combat Operations” and “Change Sides.”

    The Germans have increased their alert state from “Disdainful Arrogance” to “Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs.” They also have two higher levels: “Invade a Neighbour” and “Lose.”

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2c3743ea2a4d40aec12f90e1547fe6f818f31b875517a88e0698d0381ddbe512.jpg

    Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels.

    The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.

    Australia, meanwhile, has raised its security level from “No worries” to “She’ll be alright, Mate.” Two more escalation levels remain: “Crikey! I think we’ll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!” and “The barbie is cancelled.” So far, no situation has ever warranted use of the final escalation level.

  27. Good morning, all, here’s a cunning plan to deal with our muslim problem, post Brexit.

    Round up all muslims, send them to the Falklands and resettle the “Bennies” in the UK or anywhere else of their choosing. The present population of the FI numbers only just over 3,000 and I’m sure many of them would find life in the Scottish Highlands and Islands most agreeable – plenty of sheep but no landmines.

    A fund to provide the islanders with a generous amount of money to aid their resettlement could be created by the saving that would be made on the Social Security payments made to the muslim population of Britain, the majority of whom depend on state handouts. A concomitant saving would be made on the NHS budget, which would no longer have to provide health care to muslims and their inbred families, nor would it have to have to treat Third World diseases like TB, once pretty well eradicated in Britain but now commonplace in muslim enclaves.

    Compulsory purchase of all muslim real property for a fair price – i.e. the same price as the original occupant paid for the property* – then selling it on, would generate yet more money to repair and build vital infrastructure in the UK. Muslims will not be allowed to appeal against deportation as, technically, they are being transported. One cannot be ‘deported’ from Britain to another British territory.

    Now comes the cunning part. Once all the muslims have been relocated, the UK will hand over sovereignty of the Falklands to Argentina.

    Sorted!

    *The value of investments, as we are so often told, can go down as well as up.

    1. The wankers of this world (and the educationally sub-normal) who use idiotic expressions like “burger” or (worse) “beefburger” need a kick up the arse.

      The word “hamburger” comes from “Hamburg Steak” a delicacy first produced in that German city. It doesn’t (nor has it ever) contained ham. Calling it by other names would be as silly as calling a Frankfurter sausage a “porkfurter” (or just a “furter”). As far as I am aware, there are no places on the planet called “Porkfurt” or “Beefburg”.

      These cretins need to get an education and start using proper terms for things.

      2. Morning G

        How many Muslims live in Hamburg , Birmingham , Tottenham , Durham . Southampton, Nottingham , whoops and oh dear .. there’s so many. I just wish they (Muslims ) would all burger off to back where they originated from .. I am fed up with being invaded.

  29. ‘Morning all. I’m looking for a short to the point video or videos that show Ed Miliband telling us if we vote leave then we’re out completely etc, If anyone can help I’d be grateful, cheers. I’m finding that a lot of videos have been removed, can’t think why.

  31. Sir – I am sick of the phrase “working class”, the definition of which seems to be anyone who actually works for a living but did not go to university.

    I “worked” for the NHS, so along with the majority of the population, I assume that makes me “working class”.

    YD Riddle
    Turvey, Bedfordshire

    You and me both, Wye Dee.

    The pretentious and outmoded class system only continues to be promulgated in the UK by the “class conscious warriors” who insist they are superior to others.

    In modern-thinking countries (Sweden and Australia among them) they laugh themselves silly at the UK and its archaic, anally-retentive habits. Here in Sweden everyone is classed the same and all forms of formal address are eschewed. No one talks up (or down) to anyone else.

    If the UK insists on keeping its ridiculous class structure, I propose that each of the “classes” be renamed.

    The upper class could become the “Controlling Class”.
    The working class would become the “Productive Class”.
    The middle class should become the “Flimsy, Pretentious, Preening, Look-At-Me-I’m-Superior-To-You Class”.

    As a member of the Productive Class, I have met many members of the Controlling Class in my life and find them to be sound, sensible (in the main) and always willing to chat with me on an even keel. However, those in the middle, the Flimsies, are perpetually jealous and sucking up to the Controlling Class, whilst at the same time are forever sneering and looking down their noses at the Producers.

    Time for a clear out and reclassification (or no classification at all!).

    [Cue some wailing and rending of garments by a handful of peeved Flimsies.]

      2. One of my colleagues at work, who is Italian, emailed that link to me the other day. Her daughter is insisting on dragging her mother to open days at sixth form schools/colleges that they can’t possibly afford, even with available grants.

    2. The actual cat was let out of the bag about class by one fine gentlemen that I watched being interviewed at Ascot, or some other racing venue, over 30 years ago. He was superb, but we have tried to keep this fact quiet for a very long time. He had an accent that made Stephen Fry sound like a guttersnipe. He was asked about the complex rules of etiquette and he responded “The only social rule that you need to know is that it is right to make your visitor, or any stranger, feel at ease in your company.”

      He then smiled and said “The working class and ruling class only invented the rules of etiquette so that we could identify those people with “middle-class” minds. They are the only ones who care about station and looking down on those around them, and it is nice to know who they are.”

      What a guy. 🙂

      1. This is so true. A colleague and I once chauffeured, respectively, the Chairman and Chief Executive from an airport and railway station for an AGM at the place I worked. After they had spent some time together they came downstairs to the foyer to meet the assembled board members who were waiting in anticipation (for an opportunity to fawn).

        Those executives completely ignored the waiting board, walked straight past them to my colleague and me, and asked if we had been suitably refreshed and looked after. They insisted that we call them by their first names.

        The noses of the board members were all put out by this. Which made the executives and my colleague and me chuckle.

        1. MY previous employer’s CEO (of an international organisation with over 5.000 employees) was delighted to be collected from the airport by an inspector in the firm’s white van – with tools and suchlike in the back. No pretensions at all.

          1. The Chief Executive of my son’s global company was caught out on an African inspection tour when it was discovered there was no hotel to stay overnight at one of his stops. He and a hapless male employee had to share a single bed sleeping head to toe. His employee has never heard the end of it from his mates since he returned from the trip.

      2. A bit like the old Duke of Northumberland who used to enjoy an evening out at the Miners’ Welfare at Shilbottle chatting to the old miners.

      1. You believe that if you wish, Clyde.

        I’ve found myself sitting in many a “Toff’s” pad and they treat me like they treat themselves. I’ve never been more relaxed and I can say whatever I want.

        1. I’ve done the same Grizz but am more suspect of their real thoughts. Perhaps I am more outspoken than you. I was a bit surprised by your dismissal of the Middle classes as I suspect that many of the Nottlers on here are Middle Class but hard working as I was. In my spare time I laboured on my family farm from the age of 14 until I was nearly 70. I consider the middle classes and those working class who actually work are the back bone of the country. I am not peeved or whining and I am not wailing. Just saying

          1. I have friends from all over the spectrum, Clyde, and I get on with them all.

            My point is that many (note: many, not all) who consider themselves to be “middle class” are the only ones who wish to trumpet that fact, long and loud, ad infinitum, ad nauseam. That tedious refrain does get as tiresome as it is pretentious.

          2. I am a Scot Grizz. I treat all people the same and judge them as I find them. I am courteous and have never been in a fight since I left school. I don’t give a flying flamingo which class people regard me as being in. I agree with the Swedish approach. It was the way I was brought up.I have no enemies that I know of and I will die classless and soon forgotten..

          4. So true, they’re like the ‘class’ version of vegans. If they don’t keep spouting on about it, no one will know (not that anyone but the spouter cares).

    5. As that Keynsham bloke used to sing:

      “The Productive Class can kiss my ****,
      I’ve won the treble-chance at last.”

    6. Pleased to hear that Sweden has its forms of address sorted. Not so sure that other aspects of life there have been dealt with satisfactorily.

      1. You don’t live here. I do. Village life in Sweden is similar to village life in the UK.

        In the country it is the same as normal. Life in the cities has deteriorated in the same manner as life in UK cities has deteriorated, and for the same reasons.

        Parts of Malmö, for example, are far safer than parts of Bradford, Leicester, Luton and London (among many, many more towns and cities in the UK).

        1. Well I suppose any country that manages to rid itself of Greta Thunberg most of the time must have some idea of what it is doing!

          .

    1. Leigh Day represented nine Iraqi soldiers who claimed that the UK army had tortured and murdered detainees following the Battle of Danny Boy in 2004. But the case fell apart with the disclosure of a letter showing that some of the Iraqis were part of the Mahdi army. The judge concluded that the most serious allegations were “deliberate lies, reckless speculation and ingrained hostility”.
      Leigh Day, a bunch of ambulance chasing ‘uman roits lawyers.

      That Leigh Day?

      https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/aug/02/leigh-day-troublemaker-fight-dispossessed-lawyers

      2. indeed Sos,a law firm that made the same fake egregious claims as Shriner and P I L but mysteriously failed to share the same fate……..
        How “strange”

        1. One can only hope that the new recruits are up to the challenge of suing Leigh Day every time they feel they have been discriminated against.

          On a more positive aside, it is a great pity that more “professional” firms don’t take on school leavers with good A-levels to go the non university route. It used to be common practice in accountancy, law, banking etc.

          The same thing applies to engineering and other apprenticeships. The firms can train them from the ground floor and there is a likelihood that they will do better than the graduate intakes because they will be three, or more, years further down the line and relatively debt free.

          In my view Blair’s “university for most” has been an utter disaster for young people.

      3. They know that black lying barstewards come cheaper and often don’t know a scruplle from a whopper ….

        1. The pity is that any professional person who accepts obvious lies isn’t automatically struck off whne the case is resolved.

          If that was the case, far fewer nebulous claims would see the light of Day.
          (ho ho, did you see what I did there?)

  33. https://www-express-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1177073/Brexit-news-EU-David-Sassoli-European-Parliament-no-deal-Brexit-Boris-Johnson/amp?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.express.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2F1177073%2FBrexit-news-EU-David-Sassoli-European-Parliament-no-deal-Brexit-Boris-Johnson%2Famp%23referrer%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%26amp_tf%3DFrom%2520%25251%2524s

    …and Remainers accuse Boris of being a dictator!

  34. Remind me, we did win the Referendum, right?
    SUNDAY SHOWS LOOK-AHEAD:
    Sky’s Sophy Ridge will speak to Liberal Democrat MP Chuka Umunna and
    Labour MP Harriet Harman. The BBC’s Andrew Marr will interview Liberal
    Democrat Leader Jo Swinson and London Mayor Sadiq Khan at 10 a.m. On BBC
    Radio 5Live, John Pienaar will speak to Labour’s Shadow Chancellor John
    McDonnell (who doesn’t appear to ever have a weekend off). The BBC’s
    Westminster Hour on BBC Radio 4 at 10 p.m. on Sunday night will feature
    Labour MP Jack Dromey, Liberal Democrat MP Layla Moran and Playbook’s
    own Jack Blanchard.
    Now about that even handed MSM……………………….

  38. South Africa calls on sociologists and psychologists to help as crime stats show 58 people killed every day

    South African police have hired psychologists to figure out the causes of a murder epidemic that kills nearly 60 people killed every day.

    Murder, rape, and robbery all increased in South Africa between April 2018 and March 2019, police said on Thursday, in the latest acknowledgement that a violent crime wave that has been described as worse than a war zone is still not under control.

    Mr Bheki Cele, the police minister, said the government was now turning to mental health experts and sociologists to figure out patterns in the killings, including a weekly increase in murders on Friday nights and a high proportion of slayings by family members and close friends.

    “A very high number of people are murdered by the people that they know,” Mr Cele told parliament. The only bright spot, he said, was that the rate of increase in murders had halved since 2017-2018, when it increased by 1320.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/12/south-africa-calls-sociologists-psychologists-help-crime-stats/

    Funny how murders in Britain are so common that the media don’t even bother to report them.

  39. A small news item the BBC seem to have missed. The whisky business Chivas, owned by the French company Pernod-Ricard, said yesterday, “the long-term growth prospects for whisky around the world will not be impeded by the current upheaval caused by Brexit”.
    Oh!

      2. From what I have seen of them (and the eco-freak Revolutionary wanqueurs) their preferred tipple is the best champagne.

  40. From a DT Premium article:

    Outgoing president of the European Central Bank, Mario Draghi, has slashed interest rates further below zero and will restart money printing in November, seizing his last chance to kick-start the flagging eurozone economy.

    What baffles me is this:

    Every euro, pound, dollar, etc. spent creates CO2, so what’s the point of having all these expensive climate-change summits aimed at reducing the stuff?

  41. Some recent thoughts. I’ve been away (more reports later) and my access to communications have ben curtailed – I could hardly work the laptop.

    We conquered every country in Europe in the last 500 years.
    They hate us.
    Not because we we beat them, though they don’t like us for it.
    No, they hate us because we did not keep control over them. We gave them their countries back. They cannot forget that and they cannot forgive.
    That’s why they hate us.

    1. Not only for that, but because we did what they were all doing – i.e. trying to establish an empire. Except that we were very much better at it than they. Plus we now are in a Commonwealth – unlike any of them.

  43. Just sent this question to Mr Redwood…………..

    Douglas Carswell @DouglasCarswell

    “Having refused to implement the 2016 referendum result, some MPs are now launching a choreographed campaign for a second rigged referendum to overturn it.”

    7:04 am – 12 Sep 2019

    Who is the choreographer ?

    I think it’s a well known multi billionaire globalist who, according to the Daily Mail last year, has spent £millions to stop Brexit.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5764591/Best-Britain-backed-George-Soros-plans-stop-Brexit.html

    What do you think ?

    Polly

    1. Hi Polly,

      Even if we all agreed that Palindrome Man is behind a great deal of funding, what effect will that knowledge have on the ordinary “not interested” population? Very little, I would guess.

    1. “If what happened to me had happened to a journalist in Hong Kong, Russia or China you would all be up in arms, but because I talk about Islam you are all silent. I was found guilty by an appointed judge not a jury. I would have been found not guilty by a jury and they know it.”

      (Slightly edited due to continuity.)

      Whatever you think of him, and I think his message about Islam is of the highest priority, the fact that the media constantly apply derogatory labels to him and constantly misrepresent what he is doing, shows that he must be saying something right.

  45. Pound to dollar rate – 1.24556
    Up and up and up.
    Do they know something that we don’t know ?
    The pound is crashing upwards. No mention in the media,

    2. It’s being pushed up so that the next time it goes down everyone can say:

      “Sterling has collapsed, we told you so.”,

      Even if stops at above the rate of the last crash.

      1. Euro/sterling today is a damned sight better rate at 89p than it was exactly 10 years ago when I had to buy €20,000 to pay for the car – at 91p.

        So much for Projet Peur.

        1. It makes me laugh when the Euro gains traction and it’s reported to have a significant impact on Brits going on holiday. For me….that’s one cocktail.

          1. I do indeed. They are like gold dust. Economical; roomy; comfortable… A mere 140,000 miles on the clock.

          2. What’s the car ? Not being affluent or doing a big mileage, we’ve used Honda Civic and Honda Jazz for years. I had a smash into a police car – no casualties – the cop got out of his car and said to em ” Good job you are driving a Honda,. Anything else and you would have been in pieces all over the road…… Good recommendation.

        3. You’re complaining?

          We had to pay the deposit and all the taxes and fees for the property in Euros.

          Be careful what you wish for, Sterling might be at 1.50 when you come to covert your sale proceeds.

          1. I was NOT complaining. Merely pointing out that right now we have a Project Fear Sterling Crisis – but the effing euro is still cheaper than in the halcyon days of 2009.

            No intention of converting. The MR will leave it in her French bank account.

  46. Ah, Jean-Claude Junker, the best recruiting sergeant that Leave ever had:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/12/jean-claude-juncker-brands-britons-part-time-europeans-meps/

    Rude, arrogant and offensive though he is (I could go on), there is a truth hidden in his diatribe. Britain was never really onboard with the whole ‘United States of Europe’ thing, we only ever really wanted trade. Once we have gone, the peoples of Europe are free to march onwards to their glorious federal future without those “part-time European” Brits holding them back.

    Obviously, the lack of our money, fishing waters, huge market for their goods and military co-operation may be a small stumbling block…

    1. ‘Morning, JK, “Rude, arrogant and offensive though he is…”

      Was Juncker Bercow’s understudy or was it vice versa?

      1. Thank you for your kind words.
        Not been on much recently. I’m having to seek shade and cold beers in the 35 degree heat of Malta, dammit !

  47. If (or probably when) facial-recognition software is rolled out across all Police CCTV camera systems I forecast a huge increase in the wearing of baseball caps together with oversized dark glasses, already in daily use by slebs.

    When in the fullness of time these accessories are made illegal the outstanding solution will be the burqa. Nobody will dare to stop-and-search them!

    P.S. Good Morning all – my first visit to the New NoTTL

        1. Put the link in your favourites, bookmarks or whatever they are on your browser.

          Or you can still do it that way by putting your profile on as a bookmark – mine shows me the sites I visit and latest discussions.

        1. Heh heh – I was just going to say that your address was different, but it ends up at the same place, just a different access point. 🙂

  50. Syria war: Idlib’s secret hospitals hiding from air strikes. Quentin Sommerville. BBC.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2ec4c9ad9f5aaff95f277e4dc46db47dbaae6912bcf5f3637e63535a6a50cff9.png

    Air strikes have been targeting hospitals in the rebel-held province of Idlib, Syria, despite the fact that it is a war crime. Medics have been forced underground in order to survive.

    The UN accuses the Syrian government and allied Russian warplanes of conducting a deadly campaign that appears to target medical facilities.

    This would be because there is nothing else there Quentin. Sadly the rest of this propaganda twaddle is at the same level. A luxurious underground hospital that was dug 2 years ago to avoid the present campaign. A hospital above ground that defies the entire basis of the newscast. An airstrike that is clearly a demolition. I could go on but I would be depriving you all of the pleasure of your own Spot the Unintentional Mistake!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-middle-east-49669939/syria-war-idlib-s-secret-hospitals-hiding-from-air-strikes

    1. ‘Morning Minty
      God loves a trier,although their propaganda has been debunked endlessly(idlib must have the highest concentration of hospitals in the known world) they charge ahead
      “this time someone will believe us comrades”
      Edit
      What!! No quote from the SOHR?? slapped wrist time

  51. During the early 1970’s when interest rates were very high , we had power outages, sugar and bread shortages, and many other irritating deprivations which we didn’t fuss about because most of us had parents who reminded us about rationing in the early 1950’s and of course their experiences during wartime !

    Why are we being bombarded by fright stories..

    In the late seventies when we went to Nigeria, and were warned of the chaos out there re supplies of the basics like aspirin , Tampax, salt and pepper, batteries for radio, camera film , sterilising tablets, malaria tablets, etc etc, so I put together 3 months supply of those very basics including dried peas , flaky potato, pasta, dried apple , bars of soap, deodorant , shaving cream , razors and prickly heat powder, bla blah blah

    Prices in the local markets were enormous , one price for Europeans , and one for locals .. the Naira and Kobo fluctuated .. Oh ,, and that was an excellent introduction to West African dealings and dare I say corrupt market practises.

    What I meant to add, Operation Yellow hammer means it will be a field day for Spivs , and the poor old public will be ripped off and scammed more than ever .

    Will these bad practises never end?

  52. Reports abound that Tony Blair has agreed with President Macron that he will keep Britain in the EU for a further two years to facilitate a second referendum.

    This is freely reported by the idiot media without examination.

    Now have a second think. We have the foreign policy of Her Majesty’s Government and we have the actual foreign policy of Tony Blair and his EU Puppet Government.

    Someone needs to talk seriously about treason now – because that is what it is. I don’t know why but for some reason Tony Blair hates his country and hates the people or this island.

      1. I loathe him as well, but I hate all selfish self absorbed narcissistic men ..

        Blair has that glint in his eye , a glib persona , an unnatural political leaning that is far removed from his party politics ..

        They are similar to the N###s who feasted and empowered themselves as the poor in the ghettos suffered and starved ..

        There is no philanthropy in the Labour party , none whatsoever ..

          2. Very true but socialists tend to get through it more quickly and with less to show for it apart from an even larger debt.

        2. Well, yes? Isn’t that obvious?

          The comedy about the Labour party is they have a bunch of poor constituents who aren’t very bright.

          There’s a group of well off, southern constituents who have jobs and lots of money.

          Labour point at the well off guys and say ‘Look! Look what they’ve taken from you! You should have that. I’ll make sure they suffer and give you their wealth and create jobs, free money, endless wealth!’

          Labour voters then believe that tosh and vote for the halfwit liar. SAid Labour liar then after five years of troughing goes back to them, fatter and richer and says ‘Ah, it’s all the fault of the evil rich! I tried, see! I really tried but I didn’t stop them!” and so on and so forth.

          Rinse, repeat. What the Labour man never talks about is the high taxes his government has introduced. Never talks about the destructive policies that have really destroyed jobs. He just lies because it’s easy to do that when your audience is poor, unhappy and demotivated – by the very policies you’ve been voting for.

    3. Chilcot:
      ..Tony Blair was not straight with the UK public…
      In other words he lied.
      Surely he must have mentioned to HM that Iraq presented a clear and present danger to the United Kingdom in which case he must have lied to the Queen.

      Boris therefore does have a precedent for proroguing parliament with TB’s accepted excuse that he was
      emotionally truthful      . 🤔

      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tony-blair-iraq-war-uk-public-not-straight-sir-john-chilcot-inquiry-2003-wmds-saddam-hussein-george-a7826226.html

        1. I believe the EU, when it realised the impact that its laws would have in restricting the use of motor vehicles in cities, tried to overrule its own laws.
          The ECJ however wouldn’t let them get away with it – not even on a technicality.

          However, on the matter of extending Article 50, Macron has been put on record as saying that EU extensions for an agreement were implemented on a technicality.

          It is therefore possible that under EU Laws the ECJ could rule that the UK did actually leave the EU when Theresa May always said it would on 29th March 2019.

    4. IMO its not so much hatred of this country as love of money and influence. Which this country won’t give him if we are independent of the EU.

    5. Nahh. Tony Blair doesn’t care about this country.

      It isn’t dislike. All he cares about is money and power, the latter more than the former.

  53. Johnson to meet Druncker.

    So he IS just -playing the game that Treason played = going to Brussels on his knees holding his begging bowl.

    And to think that, for 20 minutes, I had hopes that he would get us out on No-deal terms.

    Turncoat wazzock.

      1. Boris is a busted flush.

        The longer a general election and Brexit are postponed the more TBP will grow in strength.

    3. Should come with the caption -” I’m a ‘liberal’ ‘democrat’: You’re not getting what you voted for and I’m making sure you’re never getting the choice ever again. “

  55. I have posted for a strong UKIP party since the 25/6/2016 to combat the
    cries of ” Job done, leave it to the tories” this after 6 years of the
    cameron ( the wretch) may combo.
    Since Thatcher ,years of successive leader failures, & still lessons have not been learnt.

  56. Yer gotta larf.

    Extinction Rebellion moan and whinge because yer perlice farce jam their drone signals. So they can’t close Heathrow…………..

    Ha ha ha.

    Oh how sad.

  57. A first!

    On Wednesday evening, the French lady who lives in the next door flat invited us to supper with some mutual French chums. Among the vegetables were trombetti. We all agreed how healthy they are.

    Just now, a ring at the door and Mrs Next Door presented me with two home grown trombetti….

    Just saying!

    1. And in another 100 years the then curators will be saying what were those double Dutch twits doing mucking about with history. It will be written in Arabic.

  59. Forgiving the Tory rebels is a dangerous move for Boris
    FRASER NELSON
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/12/forgiving-tory-rebels-dangerous-move-boris/

    If Boris gives in to the EU fanatics he quite rightly expelled it will be a sure sign of the fact that he is ‘all mouth and trousers’ and weaker than water.

    Indeed his surrender will lead directly to:

    i) The end of Boris;
    ii) The end of Brexit;
    iii) The end of the Conservative Party;
    iv) The end of Britain
    and very possibly
    v) The end of democracy in the United Kingdom.

  60. We are seeing endless frothing speculation which I firmly believe is being spun to break our will

    “British

    officials have told the European Commission they will accept all of

    Theresa May’s Brexit deal,except the Irish border backstop, ahead of a

    meeting between Boris Johnson and Jean-Claude Juncker on Monday.

    The revelation, coming as David Frost meets EU officials for talks in

    Brussels today, has raised fears among Tory Brexiteers that Boris

    Johnson is preparing to foist a May 2.0 deal on the UK, despite Mr

    Johnson’s insistence that the withdrawal agreement “is dead””

    .https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/13/brexiteers-fear-boris-johnson-sell-may-20-brexit-deal/
    Hold Hard NoTTLers wait and see

    1. This must be false News. The EU refuse to give up the backstop which Boris has said must be removed. Boris must stand his ground.

  63. Well there we have it ladies and gentlemen, proof positive (if any were needed) that Boris Johnson is just Theresa May in trousers. Using my crystal ball, I predict that WA version 4 gets passed, no need for a GE and we become a vassal state and pay £39bn for the pleasure:

    “UK and EU sources confirmed that British negotiators are only discussing the backstop and the political declaration, which sets out the terms of future trade negotiations. ”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/13/brexiteers-fear-boris-johnson-sell-may-20-brexit-deal/

    1. And then Boris will call a GE, refuse to come to an accommodation with Farage, and let Corbyn in…

    1. Makes you wonder if you were wrong to vote leave.

      But of course he knows that being in the EU stymies anything and everything that a very left-wing Government would want to do.

  65. DIE NEUE OBERBEFEHLSHABERIN

    Ursula von der Leyen is the President-designate of the European Kommission. She served as Minister of Defence of Germany from 2013 to 2019. The first woman to hold the EU’s top job, she is considered a close ally of German Reichsführerin Angela Merkel, so that’s reassuring. Ursula von der Leyen will replace Kommissionspräsident Jean-Claude Juncker on the 1st of November.

    In order to avoid possible confusion and potentially unflattering comparisons with a previous German Head of Defence – Generalfeldmarschall Wilhelm Keitel – Frau von der Leyen has had her moustache surgically removed, although it must be said, with limited success.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/15e531978f89aef244750912f5e8680fc243a8f9f23bcc64ec398c3e93ebd728.jpg

    5. Very heavy long-time smoker, by the look of it.

      And spiders’ legs stuck to her upper eyelids. What a sight!

  66. I have a request: I’m back from my holiday in the Baltic region, and a few days ago saw a video from about 7 years ago, posted on here, but due to wifi restrictions I couldn’t open it. It was titled something like “the truth about the EU.” I’d like to watch it now I’m back, but I can’t find the original post. If any of you recognise what I’m talking about, I’d be grateful if you could post a link.
    Ta muchly 😁

      1. I don’t know what it was about specifically as I couldn’t watch it at the time. It was something prophetic from quite a few years ago. It could have been about the Lisbon Treaty…

  67. Biden’s going to be Democrat nominee – which means Trump will be facing off against a rambling, weird, gaffe-prone, senile-looking 78-year-old. No wonder the President’s smiling. Mila. piers Morgan. 13 September 2019.

    None of this in isolation would be particularly problematic, but when you put it all together, it adds up to a growing sense that Biden’s losing it.

    ‘I’m not going nuts!’ he insisted to Stephen Colbert last week, in an appearance designed to quell the rumors that he is indeed going nuts.

    I’ve not been following the Democratic debates largely because from what I’ve seen in passing I regard it as foregone conclusion that Trump is going to win a second term. There’s simply no one there who can beat him and Biden is a good example of it. The problem is after the last election the Democrats, instead of looking for a successor to Clinton, relied on sinking Trump by foul means thinking that would be enough! They were wrong!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7460763/Bidens-going-Democrat-nominee-Trumps-going-bury-alive-2020.html

  68. What has he been taking ?

    Non-binary singer Sam Smith wants to be referred to as ‘they’ instead of ‘he’

    He thinks he has a doppelganger

    Sam Smith has reportedly asked for friends to refer to them using the pronouns ‘they/them’.
    The ‘Dancing with a Stranger’ star allegedly made the request to their close circle after coming out as non-binary and genderqueer six months ago, according to a report in The Sun.
    “This is a decision Sam has thought long and hard about, including doing a lot of reading on up it,” an anonymous source, said to be a friend of Smith’s, told The Sun.

    1. Mark 5, v9: And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

  69. Justin Welby has apologised for Amritsar. So why won’t the government? Kim Wagner. Fri 13 Sep 2019.

    It was a remarkable sight: the archbishop of Canterbury, clad in purple, prostrating himself before the memorial to the Amritsar massacre. And his act of public penitence, on Tuesday, has once again thrust this colonial atrocity into the public limelight, 100 years after it took place. Justin Welby’s heartfelt apology provided a stark contrast to the mealy-mouthed politics that have so far characterised the centenary commemorations. The Amritsar massacre remains one of the most notorious acts of brutality in the history of the British empire. On 13 April 1919, colonial troops under the command of Brigadier General Reginald Dyer opened fire on a large unarmed gathering of Indian civilians at Jallianwala Bagh in order to quell what was incorrectly believed to be an imminent uprising. The shooting lasted 10 minutes, leaving between 500 and 600 people dead and at least three times as many wounded. The massacre permanently alienated most Indian nationalists, including Gandhi, who in 1920 for the first time called for outright independence from Britain. Months after the massacre, CF Andrews, a Christian priest and close friend of Gandhi, helped interview survivors and gather evidence for the independent inquiry into the events. As he described it, “Each act has been in very truth an act of penance, of atonement, an act of reparation for my country.”

    It was indeed a remarkable sight! He looked a complete berk! As to “mealy-mouthed” can I point out the words “colonial troops” in the quote which is to disguise the fact that they were in fact native troops; no British troops were present! Wagner is a historian and has by coincidence just written a book called; wait for it; Amritsar 1919: An Empire of Fear and the Making of a Massacre. I cannot remember when historians were transposed from recounting and interpreting the past and became its moral arbiters. What next? Italy is to apologise for the Romans? Mongolia for the deaths of 40 Million Chinese? Even if they did it would be of no significance!

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/13/archbishop-canterbury-apologises-amritsar-government

      1. …with the UK getting its just deserts for its own Empire, by the take-over as a colony by the EU. “Karma” the faux historians will write, smugly.

    2. And I thought that pretendy PM Trudeau had exclusive rights to abject grovelling apologies for activities long gone.

      Although Trudeau does not do the full prostrating on floor bot, it might ruffle his hair during the photo OP.

        2. He looks a total prat.

          I suppose he can be. He’s got a police detail for life to protect him from the Muslim invader.

  70. Byron burger allergy death: Owen Carey’s family demand law change

    If people have severe allergy’s in my view they should not eat in a Restaurant they cannot control things to that degree it is simply impossible

    family of a teenager with a dairy allergy who died after he unwittingly ate buttermilk in a burger restaurant have called for a change in the law.
    Owen Carey ordered grilled chicken at Byron burger at the O2 Arena in London while celebrating his 18th birthday.
    He told staff about his allergy but was not told the meal included buttermilk

    1. I am hopeless , allergic to MSG and certain food colourings oh yes and a couple of antibiotics as well.

      The weather is so hot this afternoon, especially after the gloom of this morning 24c indoors.. very warm outdoors. Moh now watching the cricket after playing golf very early this morning .. .

      2. Lilly Allen was the virtue signalling little tart who went to the migrant camps (illegal migrant camps) and tearfully apologised on BEHALF of the United Kingdom for its terrible attempts to control the numbers of people coming into our country. In interviews she has shown herself to be not the sharpest tool in the box by a long chalk.

        After declaring that our country should be open she discovered that the realities of these people were not what she had been told they were:

        “There was plenty of insisting by liberals to have the immigration issue left intact. One of them is singer and activist Lily Allen, who opened her house to illegals, but it was soon enough that reality caught up with her. While Allen believed she would only take in a few illegal immigrants, she soon figured out she was way in over her head. What she managed to find out, in the end, is that reality is not as pink as she has painted it to be.

        As per The Sun, Lily Allen and her 2 children found themselves kicked off their own home right before Christmas, because the illegals staying at her house, wouldn’t leave- and apparently, she can’t do anything about it.” The migrants now claimed to be diplomats…

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b1689a065fbec289cd2352589db2732c33dacefd2917a10f20eda9cef322cc94.jpg

        It is hard not to laugh.

        “Although Allen has been an activist for quite some time, she never fully understood the concept of the matter. In 2016, she even held an interview with a “child refugee” in the Calais Jungle camp. It was later revealed the child in question is the son of a Taliban militant who fought against U.S. and UK-backed troops in Afghanistan. The father also fled from Europe, so he can’t be tried on war crimes.”

        https://conservativemedia.com/news/liberal-singer-demanded-take-migrants-gets-struck-fair-dose-reality/

  72. Paris paralysed by massive strike

    The French capital is seeing huge jams and massive crowds on the few metro lines running as transport workers strike against planned pension reform.
    Ten of Paris’s 16 lines were shut and service on the others was disrupted.

    Many workers cycled, walked or stayed at home, while free rides were on offer on transport operator RATP’s e-moped and Uber’s e-bike and scooter networks.
    The strike, the biggest since 2007, is the first big act against President Macron’s plan for a universal pension.
    It would replace dozens of different pension schemes for different professions.

    There were 235km (145 miles) of traffic jams in the Paris region, officials said, more than double normal levels.
    Local media showed photos of crammed platforms on four metro lines, where some trains were running.

    1. The other day Uber said – in trying to avoid paying drivers as if they were employees – that drivers were not a critical part of their business.

      Tell me, precisely how does a taxi app have any worth if it has no one driving the taxis?

      I understand their eagerness to dodge taxes considering they’re making a massive loss but didn’t they even for a second think about this? What happens when their venture capital runs out?

  74. Jo Swinson: Serious talks on Lib Dem-Plaid election pact

    The Liberal Democrats are “seriously in discussions” with Plaid Cymru to agree a pact at the next general election, Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson has said.

    Boris would be mad not to come to an arrangement over which seats to fight. It is not a coalition or even confidence and supply agreement

    IT is pretty much a win win situation for both partie

  75. Last weekend we were up North and went to Huntly Hairst. This is a kind of fun festival and farmers market. Quite good really, with a fair number of enterprising people producing food products of all kinds, craft work and similar. Some of them are farmers, moving their business downstream from growing to processing and selling.
    One or two really good things.
    However, it was all terribly white.

      2. I just saw a LNER train at Northallerton Station. It was one of the old ones.Azuma is Diesel/electric so it should be OK and it’s home built .

    2. That’s the same as the new trains which go to Penzance.

      They’re nowhere near as nice to travel in as the trains they replaced.

      1. This might help Belle.

        Azuma” is Japanese for “East”. The trains are made by Hitachi at its rail vehicle manufacturing facility in Newton Aycliffe, County Durham.

        28 degrees here today. We’ve been in for a swim this morning. Refreshing one might say but great once you’re in.
        Having a little siesta now in the heat of the day.

        1. Hitachi could at least make a concession to the fact that the train is made in the UK for service in the UK. I suppose we should be grateful that the word is not in Japanese.

          3. Afternoon Hertslass – I wonder how or legal beagle would get on if he had to write in Japanese. That looks like one word repeated.

          4. My sister in law did shorthand. One of her fave symbols was that for “higgledy-piggledy”. Which I cannot show!

          5. I wonder how often that came up in dictation?

            Evening Bill, hope you enjoyed/are enjoying a lovely meal!

          6. It does, doesn’t it? Maybe repetition turns it into a negative, second time?

            Evening, clydesider.

          10. How kind. Just for the record, though, there’s only one of me and I’m definitely female! :o))

          11. I did edit it immediately. It obviously didn’t like lass and changed it to lads.
            I’ll do 100 lines
            I must read my reply before posting.
            Am I forgiven? 😏😏

        2. Escaping the bad weather I hope?

          I love hearing about normal couple things and holidays .. proves there is life cohesion , good feelings and conversation elsewhere .

          1. Yep! 77 degrees in English money, as they say. vw is likely looking after me as I have a dodgy knee and using a couple of walking poles for balance. Seeing Consultant again on 14th October for result of MRI scan. Therefore not doing much but relaxing. Popping out in half an hour or so to get some money then back to hotel and, I think, another swim. Had a smashing meal at the restaurant, attached to the hotel, last evening. Main meal was Cataplana Fish stew, quite exceptional, large chunks of Sea Bass, sea bream, horse mackerel, and a couple of others. Never had anything quite like it. A full 3 course meal for equivalent of £20. Amazing value.
            Three businessmen came in and were deciding between turbot or lobster as their main course. The waiter brought both out to show them, the whole turbot and the live lobster. Can’t see that happening in the U.K..

  77. Police drop investigation into Nigel Farage’s and Arron Banks’ Leave.EU

    The Metropolitan Police has dropped its investigation into Nigel Farage and Arron Banks’ Brexit campaign group Leave.EU.
    The force said some technical breaches of electoral law were committed by Leave.EU in its spending return for its referendum campaign but there is “insufficient evidence to justify any further criminal investigation”

  78. “Did all those MPs who voted for May’s Withdrawal Agreement, which of course includes our current Prime Minister (who voted for it at the third attempt), actually read it?”

    An EXTREMELY relevant question taken from the article linked to below. It seems our ruling elite either didn’t fully read it or, if they did, didn’t fully understand its implications.

    May’s secret, scandalous surrender of our defence

    3. They don’t read anything. They are provided with one sheet of A4 with four bullet points which they don’t bother look at.

    4. Eddy – Sadly there is a 3rd option that is all too possible. The “ruling elite” (Ha!) read this document and the Withdrawal Agreement, understood it, and fully supported the long-term aims and goals of the EU and the globalists. An end to democracy in our countries means no more pesky elections every 5 years, no more being held accountable to the voters, and being on the gravy-train for life.

      There are a few moral MP’s left who know what staying in the EU will do to massively damage the United Kingdom and our way of life. But they are outnumbered by those who are happy to watch us fall into a totalitarian state, with islam (that is not too keen on democracy either) as their enforcers on the streets to keep order among those of us who survive the crash.

      1. Whatever the outcome of the current debacle (and I’m optimistic that the majority of the people will be the winners), I doubt our current ruling class will have anywhere near the respect or support they’ve had in the past. A giant brush is what’s needed, plus a few leaves on the gravy-train line.

        1. None of them are worthhy of respect now. These are bullies, thugs and wasters. If one were on fire I’d take the opportunity to kick them in the goonies.

          The infuriating thing is there are some decent, honest men of integrity in Westminster. They went into politics to make a difference. I remmeber conversing with my (then) Labour MP and finding him a decent fellow but the sheer sclerotic, inefficient, argumentative nature of the thing prevents good men from doing anything of worth.

          (I asked about the unfair additional costs of insurance spread over time).

      2. They just don’t care. They’re all greedy scum desperate to keep the gravy train trough going.

        I doubt *any* of them have read the WA. The few who have probably loved it as the slavery agreement it is.

  80. The BBC reporting that a little known greenhouse gas is causing pollution in quantities equivalent to over a million extra cars on the road. Sulphur is in the name but I didn’t quite catch it. It is produced when electrical connections are made and renewable energy source connections seem to be the cause of excess production of this gas.Charging points for electric cars will probably make this problem worse.

  81. A touch of gloom. We went down to the beach for the 23rd time at 4 pm. There are two beach bars. At one of them, there was a crowd of 20 or so English men – many of them doctors or surgeons – who were completely pissed. “Enjoying” very loud music – and bottle after bottle. Inevitably they went into the sea – with glasses and bottles and got more and more raucous. Eventually, the woman in charge of the group told them to come out of the water and take the little ferry back to the boat they had charted for the day.

    Three of them decided to swim out to the charter boat. Two made it. The third one drowned. Our chum who runs the beach paddleboard outfit found him.

    The beach lifeguard tried CPR – but to no avail.

    Not the way the group wanted the day to end…

    1. That is terrible , sorry you both had to witness such stupidity.

      Life is a lottery .

      Son is out on his motor bike , been out for a few hours.. He has a Harley and a Royal Enfield , he took the RE out this morning .. I always fret .. Moh played in a golf comp early this morning , came home about 2pm, now watching cricket ..

      I feel a tad edgy .. have pottered around , cleaned the kitchen floor , sun is shining , so floor dried nicely with the doors open, dogs are waiting for their evening walk .. and the crickeeet goes on .. Australia are trailing !

        1. “… yer Ozzies retain th’Ashes.”

          That sounds like a very unpleasant, antipodean recto-anal condition …

      1. Indeed. At the height of the noise and drunkenness, when they started fooling around with the tethered paddle boards and canoes – I said to Carolyn, if they aren’t careful, someone is going to be injured…

          1. Aye, right enough, Mrs. Elsie, youth was wasted on George Bernard Shaw too.

            Middle age and old age as well, now I come to think of it …….
            ;¬)

    4. Darwinism at work??

      I’ve been on the “most luxurious ship in the world” for the past 12 days. The drinks were all paid for as part of the cruise price: wines, cocktails, spirits, champagne, you name it, with ship’s hospitality staff constantly asking if anyone wanted another drink.
      But at no point did I witness anyone who was clearly the worse for wear due to drinking too much. I saw no-one drunk. Tipsy, maybe; merry, certainly; but not drunk. Or stupid enough to do something like you’ve just witnessed. Maybe it’s because most of the passengers were older and less dumb.

      1. I’ve been on that ship (which I assume is the Explorer?) – ditto. Bars open and free all day, 24 x 7. Apart from the odd bar fly, who very much keep themselves to themselves, there is no problem whatsoever.

        1. That’s the one. With John Barron as cruise director, though he left the ship on Wednesday for time off with his family, before he goes to work on the new ship, Splendour.
          Where did you go on Explorer??

          1. ‘Maiden Voyage’ (although the first actual trip was the week before with the VIPs and the press. Our ‘maiden voyage’ departure involved us slipping away in Monaco at 23.45 without fanfare or any acknowledgement that it was the ‘Maiden Voyage’.)
            Lesson learned.
            Monaco, San Tropez, Barcelona, Taormina, Split, Venice.
            Nice cruise, but seething that we were suckered into paying premium rate for a ‘Maiden Voyage’ when it was nothing of the sort.

          2. We did Athens to Monaco earlier this year on Voyager, which I actually prefer. The standard of food, staff, etc were every bit as good, but it was a slightly smaller, cosier ship, with a bit bigger cabins at the same grade. We paid a pretty good price for that, and ditto the latest one, with a good discount for being a previous customer.
            It’s generally recommended not to do a maiden voyage as there are often teething problems. We enjoyed both trips, but we were ready to come home this week after 12 days. Too much food….

          3. We did Voyager back in 2011. Orient Express London to Venice, 3 nights at the Cipriani, then Venice to Monaco on the Voyager. Nice ship, but we do actually prefer the Explorer. No problems at all on the ‘Maiden’ voyage, just hacked off with RSSC for over-selling the ‘Maiden’ voyage bit – it was just another voyage.

      2. There are times when you wonder. They were swimming out beyond the “no boats” section and thus put themselves at risk. I feel sorry for the dead bloke’s family – but also for the beachguard, our chum with the paddleboards and for the young woman who was in charge of the day out.

  82. A&B Pawnbrokers (Albemarle & Bond) and Herbert Brown stores have closed their doors, and its website says “this store” has ceased trading.
    It must be down to BREXIT. It is making us so rich wee do not ned pawnbrokers

    Customers of a High Street pawnbroker are being left in the dark after branches were closed and calls unanswered.
    A&B Pawnbrokers (Albemarle & Bond) and Herbert Brown stores have closed their doors, and its website says “this store” has ceased trading.
    Owner Speedloan Finance has yet to make it clear whether any of the 116 stores will remain open.

  83. David Cameron has finished his 700 page book and it is ready for sale. He has given an interview to the Times to be published in tomorrow’s edition. The correspondent who has written the Times article said , on BBC Radio 4 News, DC has nothing good to say about Boris and Michael Gove and their Brexit politics. He also doesn’t support a No Deal Brexit but then he is a hasbeen politician. I won’t be buying the book.

      1. Good afternoon olt – I haven’t seen that picture of Clint Eastwood. I have most of his detective DVDs and In the Line of Fire. I am a fan of his

      1. Good afternoon Plum It is Titled “For the Record” and is on sale on Amazon. I think John Humphries is interviewing him tomorrow.

      1. I stopped reading newspapers several years ago. I pop into the Library rarely, to catch up on the local news.

  84. Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have been asked to tour Africa because they ‘connect to young people in a way other royals can’t’ and ‘fly the flag for multicultural Britain’, aides reveal
    Foreign office said they were picked as they can connect to young people
    They will visit South Africa, Angola, Botswana and Malawi in a two-week tour
    It will be their first tour with baby Archie, who Meghan has been looking after
    She returned from maternity leave yesterday and launched a charity clothes line

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7460985/Harry-Meghan-asked-tour-Africa-connect-young-people-better-royals.html

    3. Launched a clothes line, eh?

      That’ll be for hanging Prince Hari Krishna’s loincloth on, when she’s finished beating it with rocks on the banks of the grey-green, greasy Limpopo River

  85. Thoughts on the “Climate Emergency” currently ravaging Scotland, as well as the rest of the world.
    When we burn wood we release CO2. When we grow trees they capture CO2. It is a sustainable cycle.
    When we burn fossil fuels they release CO2. What are fossil fuels? Well, coal is a fossil fuel. Coal is the compressed remains of plants. Plants that captured CO2 as part of their normal life cycle. So what was there before the plants became coal? Obviously lots of CO2 otherwise the plants would not have thrived.
    So burning coal releases CO2 that was in the atmosphere quite normally long before we started to use fossil fuels. Burning coal therefore returns the planet to a previous state. So, what is the problem?

  87. That’s me for today. A demain. Last day – cleaning and packing – and swimming. Only 28C tomorrow…..

    Have a jolly evening.

  88. Good late afternoon from East Anglia, it’s been a pleasant afternoon
    for early autumn, my favourite time of the year.

    1. Yeah, a lot of people like the autumn season of the year. I can sort of understand it, in that the leaves on the trees turn quite attractive colours.
      But everything is dying, or at least going into hibernation. I have to fight the urge to hibernate myself, during autumn.

      I much prefer the hopefulness of spring with new life springing up everywhere in the flora and fauna departments.

          6. Lyric night of the lingering Indian summer
            Shadowy fields that are scentless but full of singing
            Never a bird but the passionless chant of insects
            Ceaseless, insistent

            The grasshoppers hum far off high in the maples
            The wheel of locusts leisurely grinding the silence
            Under the moon, waning, worn and broken
            Tired of summer

            Let me remember your voices little insects
            Weeds that are in the fields that are tangled with asters
            Let me remember as soon you’ll be gone
            Snow drifting heavily

            Over my soul murmur your mute benediction
            Why I gaze O fields that rest after harvest
            And those who part look long into the eyes
            They learn to look lest they forget.

            That wasn’t depressing I don’t think ( Sara Teasdale )

            WH Auden ‘ Autumn Song – stop all the clocks ‘
            Is depressing.

          7. ‘Stop all the clocks, cut off the telephone’

            Stop all the clocks, cut off the telephone,
            Prevent the dog from barking with a juicy bone,
            Silence the pianos and with muffled drum
            Bring out the coffin, let the mourners come.

            Let aeroplanes circle moaning overhead
            Scribbling on the sky the message He Is Dead,
            Put crepe bows round the white necks of the public doves,
            Let the traffic policemen wear black cotton gloves.

            He was my North, my South, my East and West,
            My working week and my Sunday rest,
            My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
            I thought that love would last for ever: I was wrong.

            The stars are not wanted now: put out every one;
            Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun;
            Pour away the ocean and sweep up the wood;
            For nothing now can ever come to any good.

            W H Auden

          8. “The wheel of locusts leisurely grinding the silence”
            I take it that she was not a British resident?

  90. Just been out to Wetherspoons for their Friday Fish offer,fish,chips,mushy peas,b&b and a pint of Doombar 8.50
    Delicious
    Browsing through the house mag Tim Martin does an outstanding job for Brexit with great articles

      1. “Oi, you, Muppet,;it’s otter where you are than it is ‘ere, come on, in the sea level’s rising”

    5. Greta is a brainwashed child who has a disability – so she is a perfect tool to be used to spread the lies that her activist parents have drilled into that forming brain for all of her years. The fact that so many “adults” on the left and in politics are so happy for her to be used in this way, shows that they think that people such as her are disposable resources. They know that what she is saying is carp, they do not care. It advances the agenda, so they think.

      She is so far gone and obviously out of it though, that this may backfire on them. Even people who are not that engaged in politics are looking at this and thinking “Somethings not right… A 16 year-old with no training or qualifications is lecturing the worlds leaders? What is that about?”

      When she is of no more use she will be discarded, and be left to live with her parents betrayal of her childhood.

      1. I fear that she might commit suicide, when it doesn’t turn out as she is brainwashed to believe..

        1. If people listen to her and do something about it, then it might still not happen. Doing nothing, or making it worse out of bloodyminded ignorance, might well make it happen. I know I would rather be rather pleased if disaster is averted, and my pride cheap at the price.

          Those that deny that humanity is trashing the world remind me of Remainers – determined to keep the status quo because there’s more money in it for them. They then cover their tracks by a sort of Project Fear denouncement of the prophets, while using their own power to make damned sure the worst happens, and those averting disaster are stymied.

          1. Well.
            Tomorrow morning get up and look at that big red shiny thing in the sky.

            If it puts out 0.0001% more energy or 0.0001% less energy in a year, either of those factors would put ALL man’s efforts into insignificance.

            You’ve been scammed by the great green blob.

            You’re just too stupid to see it.

            Mankind’s great problem isn’t CO2, it isn’t plastics, it isn’t oil, it’s that there are far, far too many people.

            The IPCC is just about transferring weatlh, from the so-called first world to the so-called third world they don’t give a tuppeny damn about climate change. They know that 99.999% is down to natural changes, they are merely using useful idiots, like you, to promote their agenda.

          2. Global Warming/Climate Change is caused either by perfectly natural occurrences or human activities. If the former, experts should stop blaming humanity and , if it’s the latter, start addressing the root cause and not the symptoms. This cause, and greatest threat to the planet, is overpopulation in the third world. However, this issue doesn’t have much in the way of annual international conferences in exotic locations, frequent TV opportunities to earn lucrative fees to pontificate on the subject, a large and profitable book market, substantial government grants to universities to study the subject, large numbers of professorships, Nobel prizes for politicians and so on. It’s much easier and more exciting to preach the gospel of global warming than tell people in the third world that they shouldn’t have as many children as they have done.

          3. I am part of the “great green blob” and have been since being in despair about “Progress” taking from me in childhood favourite landmarks with “comprehensive redevelopment” and the railways that made my country what I was born into in 1956. In my teens and twenties, I saw the countryside grubbed up, poisoned and defiled, once more by “Progress”. In my country, the Common Agricultural Policy we signed up for in the early 1970s has a great deal to answer for, and one reason I voted Out in 1975 and Leave in 2016. The iniquities of the EU are nothing though compared with the mass destruction of the great tropical forests that is ongoing. My concerns are real and raw, and I’m quite capable of thinking for myself, thank you!

            You actually put the case for the environmentalists as well as any greenie. Yes, the Sun is an incredibly useful source of energy, just waiting for us to develop the technology to exploit it. I have to say that there is a wonderful device that takes the power of the sun, water and carbon dioxide, cleans, humidifies and oxygenates the air and produces a great number of very useful by-products. It is called a tree. It is madness to destroy them on the scale we are currently doing, and yes you are right in that humanity is largely made up of idiots and there are far far too many of them.

      2. She may well feel that it is us who are brainwashed.

        It’s not an idle charge – we’ve been fed political spin for decades, and swallowed far worse lies without even challenging them. Celebrity culture? Abuse? Hip-hop rapping? Diversity & Equality? Project Fear? Progress? I could list a score of things where we’ve been conned by our social betters. This hatred of environmentalists is the same ailment as the hatred of brexiteers, and I feel doubly hated.

        Greta has Aspergers, which means she takes a very literal approach to things, and cannot bear inconsistencies. She would consider it clear-headedness; others may well feel it is being blinkered. I do not doubt the truth of what she has to tell us, but I do wonder if she is a tad narrow in her insight. I fear that looking at the wider picture is a much bleaker indictment of humanity that even Greta is dwelling on, and most folk must try to push it out of the minds if we are ever to get any sleep at night.

        The one difference between me and my contemporaries and Greta and hers. I am 63 years old. As William Hague once famously said – I won’t be here in 30 or 40 years, so whatever happens in 2050 or 2060 is less of a problem for me, since I will be safely tucked up in my grave. Greta, however, was born in 2003. In 2050 or 2060, she will be middle-aged, and in the thick of whatever we are making of this world now. She is right to have more of a vested interest in it than I have, even though her youth deprives her of a lot of the skills and experience needed to do something about it.

        I do wish therefore we who have the skills and experience were a touch more respectful of the young.

  92. Here’s my latest mail to Mr Redwood…………….

    I expect you’ve heard of Peter Schweizer who has written books about the alleged wrong-doings of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. He was particularly interested in what happened in 2009 when the multi billionaire supposedly trying to stop Brexit allegedly ”assisted” in putting together the US stimulus plan.

    Here in brief are his findings, please scroll down…………..

    https://politicalarena.org/2012/01/14/democrats-sugar-daddy-george-soros-helped-craft-stimulus-then-invested-in-companies-benefiting/

    If this is true, I wonder if it sheds new light on the Withdrawal Agreement ? It looks to me that with the new powers to be given to Brussels over Britain that a fairly similar ”investment spree” might be made possible.

    In 2018, the multi billionaire met, through his representatives, with the European Commission 68 times according to EU records. I wonder why, what is it that they so like about him ?

    Now we hear that allegedly Guy Verhofstadt claims votes for the WA were being ”bought”.

    Maybe there’s nothing here, but it does look to me that the coincidences are mounting up !

    Polly

    2. We are.
      And it’s a war of ideas.
      And the leftwaffe are winning it, by the simple expediency of making certain ideas, which they disagree with, unutterable.

      And worse than that, not merely unutterable, illegal.

      1. As was Tesco’s today, Friday lunchtime, when we stopped by for pharmacy products. We did read somewhere that shortages are due to producers/manufacturers stockpiling goods in order to force up the price. Nothing to do with Brexit (although I have heard of members of the public maintaining a ‘Brexit Bunker’).

        1. Use Soya milk. You can revel in the irony.

          Like beating a Remainer senseless with a copy of the EU’s Charter of Fundamental Human Rights.

    2. The way it was worded in other reports states that MI5 et al were the ones making the decision on national security grounds, and the Coroner’s comments were to the effect that because of that, the Coroner’s Court could not proceed.

    1. Plum, I always assumed you weren’t a Beatles fan..

      Okay, George Harrison was less nasally and was a great guitarist, and terrific soloist as well as he was with the Travelling Wilburys.

      Moh has hysterics and shrivels up when ever Hey Jude is played , he almost vomits, he says it is the tonal quality of the song ,, he switches the radio off / covers his ears.. it really has a profound effect on him..

      Does any other song have a terrible effect on Nottlers?

        2. I recall when he appeared on Top of the Pops God knows how many years ago, he had the most awful pus-spot on his chin!

      5. William Mann, Music critic of The Grimes in the early 1960s, said that “Yesterday” was the best quartet written since Mozart.

        So you can fool some of the (most unlikely) people some of the time.

        1. William Times raved about The Beatles’ music in their early days, writing in The Times that it was full of “pandiatonic clusters” as I recall.

      7. I was never a fan of Hey Jude, Margaret, nor many Paul MuckCart songs.

        Lennon’s worst was the Pinko dirge Imagine which I cannot bear to listen to.

        Rubber Soul is my favourite Beatles album with Girl, Wait, Nowhere Man, If I Needed Someone, Run For Your Life, and (especially) In My Life outstanding.

    2. Lennon’s vacuous “Imagine” has probably done more irreparable harm to impressionable minds, who now think that diversity is the answer to all their problems, than almost any song ever written..

      2. Imagine….
        Imagine there is no country and no religion too .

        It was full of hope for the future….it’s great to dream when you’re young, Been there… done that…grew up…gave up on the human race,

  101. CO₂ levels and ‘Global (Climate Change) Warming. This is actually from https://geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html

    “Average global temperatures in the Early Carboniferous Period were hot- approximately 20° C (68° F). However, cooling during the Middle Carboniferous reduced average global temperatures to about 12° C (54° F). As shown on the chart below, this is comparable to the average global temperature on Earth today!
    Similarly, atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the Early Carboniferous Period were approximately 1500 ppm (parts per million), but by the Middle Carboniferous had declined to about 350 ppm — comparable to average CO2 concentrations today!

    Earth’s atmosphere today contains about 380 ppm CO2 (0.038%). Compared to former geologic times, our present atmosphere, like the Late Carboniferous atmosphere, is CO2- impoverished! In the last 600 million years of Earth’s history only the Carboniferous Period and our present age, the Quaternary Period, have witnessed CO2 levels less than 400 ppm.”

    A nice geological account of the rise and fall and rise and fall of CO₂ in our atmosphere. All that solar energy invested in the coal seams that we refuse to utilise because it ain’t natural.

        2. “The Moon will be full early Saturday morning, Sept. 14, 2019, appearing “opposite” the Sun (in Earth-based longitude) at 12:33 AM EDT. The Moon will appear full for about three days centered around this time, from Thursday night through Sunday morning.”

          1. You’re quoting EDT which is Eastern Daylight time in the USA, 5 hours behind us. Surely that makes the full moon Friday 13th September in the U.K.

          4. It looks a round as it could be, I agree. As a fisherman I always treat the next day or two as having the bigger tides though.

        3. “Tonight a rare occurrence will take place in the skies above the UK: a Harvest Moon appearing on Friday the 13th. The Harvest Moon itself isn’t actually that rare – it happens every year and is just the name given to the full moon occurring at this time of the year. But tonight’s Harvest Moon is being called a ‘micromoon’ due to being about 14% smaller in the sky than an average full moon. It’s like the opposite of a supermoon.”
          https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/13/rare-harvest-moon-appearing-tonight-friday-13th-10735844/

          Shine on , shine on harvest moon.

  105. I’m shocked. There’s nothing about this on the BBC at this moment.

    Leave.EU is vindicated and 17.4m of us have beaten the Establishment

    ARRON BANKS

    It’s been three years since the referendum and we still haven’t left the EU. The Establishment has shot every single piece of ammunition it has to prevent Brexit and it’s gone even further with attempts to smear, financially ruin and even imprison those who defeated it in the vote.

    Today – after years of investigations, questionings and corrections, I can say Leave.EU and I have been completely vindicated. The Metropolitan Police investigation is closed with no charges.

    The investigation into Leave.EU and Liz Bilney, its CEO, has ended. But this witch hunt has been devastating. Liz spent two years having to defend herself from vexatious allegations.

    Imagine having to tell your young children their mother is potentially facing arrest and imprisonment for completely false charges?

    Liz didn’t have to imagine.

    One question they might ask is why was their mother targeted in this way?

    Liz is not alone. Earlier this year the Electoral Commission was forced into dropping its £20,000 fine against young leave campaigner Darren Grimes for filling in a form incorrectly. Britain’s election watchdog has spent hundreds of thousands of pounds of taxpayers’ money going after Brexit supporters while almost completely ignoring the other side.

    A Telegraph investigation found that four of the 10 commissioners making up the board of the quango had made public statements against Brexit. Worse, three made comments while in their posts, with Sir John Holmes, chairman of the Electoral Commission, declaring after the vote he “regret[ted] the result of the referendum”, and denounced “the panoply of Eurosceptic nonsense” heard during the campaign.

    Holmes fails to live up to his ironic name. He is probably the worst detective in Britain. His organisation fired an arrow at the wall and simply painted a target around it.

    For example, it cited petty technical breaches against Leave.EU, like saying it put 37 items on a single invoice rather than in 37 separate ones and nonsense like that. The judge in our case clearly said there was no dishonesty. In the end we were disputing expenditure of £50k on a campaign spend of £13 million.

    Their vindictive, politically motivated campaign against us was spurred on by remainers in Parliament – and chiefly Damian Collins. He used his privileged position in the chair of the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport select committee to heap pressure on the Electoral Commission and police to investigate leave campaigners. He and Carole “Corrections” Cadwalladr of The Guardian, his partner in crime, will today hang their heads in shame as their attempts to overturn the referendum result and insult 1.5 million Leave.EU supporters completely and utterly fails.

    Like the Electoral Commission, the DCMS is riddled with remainers who want to discredit the result. Using campaigns, kangaroo courts and Parliamentary privilege these remain extremists appeared to treat the NCA and the Met as political tools. This was a huge waste of taxpayers’ cash and reminiscent of dodgy African dictators rather than British Parliamentarians.

    After the false allegations and a witch hunt surpassed only by the Mueller investigation into non-existent Russian Collusion in the US, it is time for the Electoral Commission to be shut down.

    And Damian Collins must resign. His role in pursuing innocent leave supporters cannot be emphasised enough.

    Remoaners love to tell us how stupid, racist or decrepit we are. They love to claim the Brexit vote was the result of Russian interference, or a bus, or criminals persuading 52 per cent of the country to vote to leave. Now every one of their arguments is crumbling.

    Today Leave.EU and 17.4 million Brexit voters can relish in the fact that they beat the Establishment – and Liz can give her children the good news.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/13/leaveeu-vindicated-174m-us-have-beaten-establishment

  106. Lots to do tomorrow so an early night for me. If it all goes to Hell in a handcart in our politics, then we still have the numbers in our country and it has been 1,000 years since the last time we were successfully invaded. We only lost that time because we were “too up for the fight” and ran down from that hilltop that they could not move us from. We have better discipline now.

    However they twist and turn they cannot keep us in the EU for ever. In the meantime look to the days after we are free of them. It drives the leftists insane when they can’t intimidate us, and we look on the bright side and keep smiling. 🙂

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b115ff69c3b2bbe53a5cf37dd895286765cd8916cde45a2863b152fed3101245.jpg

    1. The ill-disciplined fyrd at Senlac Hill has a lot to answer for. Our own Saxon Queen might now be in Buck House.

  107. Serious, for a moment

    Letters: Interfering in politics puts judges on a collision course with the people who elect Parliament

    This ‘interference’ by the Judges, Shirley it must be the Judiciary (not just Judges), who must make the objections, which makes them
    ‘Third House of Parliament, after the ‘Commons and Lords’

    If this is to happen, it must apply to every bit of Legislation that passes from the Commons, to the Lords, not the bitz
    that politically they do not like and it must include the views of all legal clerks/trainees/solicitors/barristers/magistrates
    (stipendary or otherwise) QCs/Judges (Low/Middle or HighCourt) but must exclude the views ECHR

    Do they, ‘The judges’ get a shout before or after Brenda, who universally is probably the most respected Lady in the world,

    signs her name to it.

    Their right to interfere must be made clear and of course a Law passed to make it so

    I cannot see any MP allowing this to happen

    If it does UK get what it deserves

    Agree or disagree, this is my Last Post

    https://youtu.be/VeJXm7Tquk0

  109. Having said quite clearly that the 2016 referendum was a ‘once in a lifetime’ event it adds absurdity to stupidity, dishonesty and hypocrisy for David Cameron to say that another referendum is necessary to get a more satisfactory result. For him to then say that those who are in favour of Brexit are liars takes biscuit.

    The one positive thing that could be said about Cameron was that unlike Heath, Major, Brown and Blair he did not continue to muddle and meddle after his time was up. He has now lost even that one thing. And just wait until Evil May gets going.

    1. Morning Richard,

      I always suspected that David Cameron was a spliffed up spoilt facetious character, although in his favour , a good orator but …well anyway , his integrity level has become perfectly clear now.

      Eton seems to be producing the wrong type of dare I say, right stuff ?

    3. I understood in 2016 from many sources that Turkey was in negotiations to join the EU. They are already given a bung of money and I believe that Turks have visa free travel in the Schengen area. This morning’s Beeboids and Cameron are now saying the prospect of Turkey joining the EU was a complete lie. Talks may well have stalled due to the political shenanekins in Turkey, but entry into the EU was most definitely on the table.

      1. David Cameron’s words to the Turkish parliament in Ankara in 2010:

        “I am here to make the case for Turkey’s membership of the European Union and to fight for it”.
        “I will remain your strongest possible advocate for EU membership and for greater influence at the top table of European diplomacy. This is something I feel very strongly and very passionately about. Together I want us to pave the road from Ankara to Brussels.”

      3. Turkey has been accepted as a candidate country to join the EU and has been for several years, Because of current troubles in Turkey it is on the back burner at present, Strangely Turkey is not even in Europe other that technical a small part of Turkey is geographically in Europe but countries are no normally split across continents, It seem a ploy for the EU to try expensing beyond Europe

        Turkey has a massive population and once in the EU we would see a massive influx from Turkey into Europe

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