Monday 18 October: Sir David Amess’s election to Parliament inspired working-class Tories

Posted on by Geoff Graham

An unofficial place to discuss the Telegraph letters, established when the DT website turned off its comments facility (now reinstated, but not as good as ours),
Intelligent, polite, good-humoured debate is welcome, whether on or off topic. Differing opinions are encouraged, but rudeness or personal attacks on other posters will not be tolerated. Posts which – in the opinion of the moderators – make this a less than cordial environment, are likely to be removed, without prior warning.  Persistent offenders will be banned.

Today’s letters (visible only to DT subscribers) are here.

524 thoughts on “Monday 18 October: Sir David Amess’s election to Parliament inspired working-class Tories”

  1. WICOE
    (Women In Charge Of Everything)

    Is proud to announce the opening of its EVENING CLASSES FOR MEN! OPEN TO MEN ONLY. ALL ARE WELCOME

    Note: due to the complexity and level of difficulty, each course will accept a maximum of eight participants. The course covers two days, and topics covered in this course include:

    DAY ONE

    HOW TO FILL ICE CUBE TRAYS
    Step by step guide with slide presentation

    TOILET ROLLS – DO THEY GROW ON THE HOLDERS?
    Roundtable discussion

    DIFFERENCES BETWEEN A LAUNDRY BASKET & THE FLOOR
    Practising with hamper (Pictures and graphics)

    DISHES & CUTLERY: DO THEY LEVITATE/FLY TO KITCHEN SINK OR DISHWASHER BY THEMSELVES?
    Debate among a panel of experts.

    REMOTE CONTROL
    Losing the remote control – Help line and support groups

    LEARNING HOW TO FIND THINGS
    Starting with looking in the right place instead of turning the house upside down while screaming – Open forum

    DAY TWO

    EMPTY MILK CARTONS: DO THEY BELONG IN THE FRIDGE OR THE BIN?
    Group discussion and role play

    HEALTH WATCH: BRINGING HER FLOWERS IS NOT HARMFUL TO YOUR HEALTH
    PowerPoint presentation

    REAL MEN ASK FOR DIRECTIONS WHEN LOST
    Real life testimonial from the one man who did

    IS IT GENETICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO SIT QUIETLY AS SHE PARALLEL PARKS?
    Driving simulation

    LIVING WITH ADULTS: BASIC DIFFERENCES BETWEEN YOUR MOTHER AND YOUR PARTNER
    Online class and rôle playing

    HOW TO BE THE IDEAL SHOPPING COMPANION
    Relaxation exercises, meditation and breathing techniques

    REMEMBERING IMPORTANT DATES & CALLING WHEN YOU’RE GOING TO BE LATE
    Bring your diary, tablet or smart-phone to class

    GETTING OVER IT:
    LEARNING HOW TO LIVE WITH BEING WRONG ALL THE TIME
    Individual counsellors available

    Send this on to all your girlfriends who may need a laugh and to guys who you think can handle the truth!

    1. “TOILET ROLLS – DO THEY GROW ON THE HOLDERS?

      Roundtable discussion”

      Oh Boy – does that one resonate. When our sons where still at home I actually put a note by the bog roll holder, pointing out that I was a mother, not a maidservant.
      30+ years later, they and their friends can still quote it word for word. It has become the stuff of myth and legend.

      1. Better than the note on the toilet roll holders at LSE:

        Sociology Degrees, please tear off.

    2. I must be odd, apart from not caring for football, F1 or unfeasible large busted “glamour” models I do/share all of the above by default except for a stubborn disinclination to ask for help when lost. P.S. I am not an Alphabet person. 🥴

      1. I actually had a bloke ask for directions when I was walking the dog yesterday. He was parked the wrong side of the hedge to the sports ground and wanted to know how he could get in! To be fair, he was the first of the season – the entrance was changed some years ago, but the satnavs don’t all seem to have updated.

  4. Satire is dead………

    “As the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge followed A-list actresses into the
    Earthshot Prize on Sunday night, the carpet was green and there were no
    expensive new designer outfits in sight. Guests at the “Eco Oscars”
    were instructed not to buy new dresses or suits for the occasion,
    “upcycling” old favourites for their big entrance.
    The Duchess of
    Cambridge wore a 2011 Alexander McQueen gown, first seen at a Bafta
    event in Los Angeles during a royal tour to the United States in the
    same year.
    The Duke wore a dark green velvet jacket he wore to a 2019 charity gala with a black polo neck.

    Dame Emma Thompson, who gave out one of the awards, said the invitation to
    the awards specified that guests bear the environment in mind, making
    sustainable fashion choices to avoid any further impact on the planet.

    The awards, masterminded by Prince William, saw five pioneers take home £1
    million each in recognition of their efforts and inventions to solve key
    environmental problems.
    Winners included: the city of Milan for its
    food waste hubs taking unused meals and distributing them to the hungry,
    and Costa Rica, which pays citizens to plant trees.”
    Wearing the same clothes twice……..the horror,the horror

    1. The Earthclot prize is the proof that William has cast his lot in with the forces of Lucifer!

      1. Not necessarily, I just think he’s the “nice but dim” one of the two brothers.

    4. The very people who are guilty of conspicuous consumption, zipping back and forth across the globe, dressing in sack cloth and ashes for the night doesn’t convince me of their green piety.

    5. I am late to the party and have posted something similar. I like Kate but the ‘dim one’ is following in his father’s ear-flaps.

    1. You won’t get a very good heat pump for only £10K.

      Probably nearer twice that.

      Start saving NOW.

  6. I have just opened the Daily Mail and read to my incredulity that the murderer of David Amess “wanted to be a doctor, but became radicalised instead.”

    Did Wayne Couzens “want to be a doctor” too? And did he just turn into a rapist and murderer just by accident because he caught the “radicalised” virus through no fault of his own?
    The difference in coverage between the two cases is blatant and appalling! While white men are demonised and Muslims excused in the media, the David Amess murder will only be the first of many.

    1. Any politician been heard to call for a complete halt to dangerous Moslem immigration???
      No,thought not.
      ‘Morning BB2

      1. Politicians clearly decided that opening the Pandora’s Box of mass immigration, especially of a brand that is inimical to our fairly well settled society, was a good idea. Continuing on that same course despite the electorate’s concerns and the atrocities committed by moslems is an act of treachery. There can be no justification for what a series of governments have done. Now they are sh!t scared because one of their group, a decent one at that, has been brutally killed.

        Adding fear to the other shortcomings of many politicians will result in another drop in the level of representation the electorate can expect as the guilty hide themselves behind Zoom and other arms of social media.

        1. Although I feel very sorry about David Amess, who was one of the good guys, I feel absolutely no sympathy for our politicians as a class.
          They have drifted along and allowed this situation to develop.

        2. Look on the bright side it has provided lots of lucrative work for lawyers and their Learned Friends and it looks likely that it will continue to do so in the foreseeable future until one day the Taliban decide they can do without them: ‘Cry, Allah for Sharia England and goodbye St. George’

    2. Any politician been heard to call for a complete halt to dangerous Moslem immigration???
      No,thought not.
      ‘Morning BB2

    3. Did you see this carp? The Muslim murderer’s Daddy felt threatened so we all ought to be forgiving…

      Father of alleged jihadi suspected of killing Sir David Amess had himself faced Islamist threats

      Former official in Somali government, who was targeted by al-Shabaab, said to be devastated at son’s arrest in relation to attack on MP

      By Martin Evans,
      CRIME CORRESPONDENT ;
      Colin Freeman
      and Izzy Lyons,
      CRIME CORRESPONDENT
      18 October 2021 • 12:31am

      The father of the alleged jihadist being held on suspicion of murdering Sir David Amess had himself received death threats from Islamist terrorists, The Telegraph can reveal.

      Ali Harbi Ali, 25, was continuing to be questioned on Sunday night in connection with the frenzied knife attack on the Tory MP, which is being treated as an alleged terrorist incident.

      But his own father, Harbi Ali Kullane, a former director of communications for the prime minister’s office in Somalia’s Western-backed government, had previously been targeted by Islamist radicals.

      Somali government sources said that during his time as an official in the country’s administration, Mr Kullane received numerous death threats from al-Shabaab, the terror movement, which still controls parts of the country.

      Mr Kullane, who moved to the UK from Mogadishu in the Nineties, is understood to have been targeted by the jihadists because of the hard line he took against terrorism in east Africa.

      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2021/10/17/TELEMMGLPICT000274766445_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqgsaO8O78rhmZrDxTlQBjdH4ihL9D5G77hk2Gx25ScXg.jpeg?imwidth=960

      Harbi Ali Kullane was said to have taken a hard line against terrorists when he was a government official
      “He was quite involved in countering al-Shabaab’s message in his role as comms director, and he received death threats from them for doing so, which is common for anyone involved in a high-profile position in the government,” one source told The Telegraph.

      “He himself despises terrorists, so it would be hard to imagine how his son has become radicalised as a result.”

      Mr Kullane, who now lives in the Bounds Green area of north London, was said to be “devastated” at the news that his son had been arrested in connection with the fatal attack on Sir David.

      Counter-terrorism detectives are understood to have spoken to Mr Kullane at length and have also been examining his mobile phone in an effort to understand his son’s movements and behaviour prior to the attack.

      Ali Harbi Ali was born in 1996 in Southwark, south London, after his parents left war-torn Somalia and moved to the UK. The eldest of four children, he grew up in Croydon and was educated at a local Church of England primary school.

      Family were ‘people just like us’
      Neighbours in the quiet street where his mother and siblings still live described the family as ordinary and not particularly religious.

      The parents separated when Mr Ali was still quite young and his father then began to split his time between London and east Africa, where he is thought to have homes in Mogadishu and Nairobi in Kenya

      One neighbour in Croydon said: “The dad was here when we moved in but we haven’t seen him for a long time.”

      The mother, who locals described as a housewife, was said to be quiet and very respectable and wore a hijab only occasionally.

      Another neighbour expressed their shock at the news that Ali Harbi Ali had been arrested in connection with the murder. “They were not extremists at all. They were not that sort of people. I would say they were just like us.”

      But while still at school, Ali Harbi Ali was referred to the Government’s counter-extremism programme, Prevent, after concerns were raised about his increasingly radical behaviour. However, he did not remain in the programme for long and the issues were never thought serious enough to be flagged to MI5.

      After leaving school, locals claimed he had got a job in the NHS, but it was not clear whether it was a clinical, administrative or support role.

      Relatives claimed on Sunday night he had studied for four years at University College London to become a doctor, according to The Sun newspaper.

      Despite moving away from the Croydon area, Mr Ali was a regular visitor to the family home, but according to locals had not shown any obvious signs of radicalisation. One said: “He dressed normally, just jeans and normal clothes.”

      During his late teens or early 20s, Mr Ali is thought to have moved in with his father and aunt in north London.

      His father would regularly travel back to east Africa, especially during the British winter, but it is not clear whether Mr Ali went with him on these trips.

      At the start of the pandemic, neighbours claim the family suffered a bereavement due to Covid, which hit them hard.

      Most recently, Mr Ali had been living in a top floor flat in the Kentish Town area of north London, close to where Sir Keir Starmer, the Labour leader, lives with his family.

      The property is understood to be rented from the local authority and the main tenant is thought to be a female relative of Mr Ali. Police have spent the weekend searching the premises and on Sunday a blue tent remained in the front garden of the three-storey property.

      The counter terror-investigation has continued to move at pace, but detectives so far believe Mr Ali was acting alone. However, specialists will be scouring his devices and media accounts in an attempt to establish any potential links with outside influences or other groups.

      Another focus of the investigation will be to explore whether there is any evidence that he may have been radicalised online during lockdown.

        1. Wisely, all his family are claiming shock.

          Of course they are, they don’t want to be deported from the land of milk and honey.

          It’s called Taqqiya.

      2. I can imagine he’s “devastated” by his child’s murdering actions – what father wouldn’t be?
        But lots of sympathy notes – studying to be a Dr, covid death…

      3. Oh Boo bloody Hoo.
        4 children, eh? All brought up here, educated here, family allowance, benefits, health care ……
        And the little petal was referred to Prevent while still at school. As he is now 24, this means he has been ‘known to the authorities’ for at least 6 years and probably much longer.

        1. It is high time for ALL those on the ‘watch’ lists, ‘known to the authorities’, to be held in secure (but as basic as possible) units for the safety of all decent people. NO access to free legal aid either. Time after time, murders and other atrocities have been carried out by savages on these lists. Monitoring of them has clearly failed. If they can’t behave in a civilised manner, showing appreciation of the life and freedoms we give them, then they deserve to lose all their freedoms until they can be removed from this country.

      4. All i see is arse covering. Being devastated by his sons arrest but no mention of how sorry he is for the Amess family.

        A previous government minister and four houses. It and he stinks.

    4. The Doctor who inspired all these wannabes apparently died in South America. He had a surname something like ‘Mengistu’.

    1. Morning Michael. Volatile’s appearance doesn’t accord with my perception of an extreme censoring & cancelling ‘liberal’…..

  8. Sigh……

    A police force has apologised after using an image of a black person dealing drugs in an anti-drugs leaflet.

    Cumbria Constabulary said it accepted it used a poor choice of image in the

    leaflet, which appealed for information about crimes.

    Campaigning organisation Anti Racist Cumbria said the image perpetuated “racist

    stereotypes” and some black people felt “watched”.

    The force said the leaflet had been withdrawn from circulation.

    The replacement………….

    The leaflet has been redesigned, this time with a White vicar dealing
    drugs to black schoolchildren, his security provided by heavy-looking
    gammon OAPs. That’s more like it.

  9. The letter by a Glaswegian, whose forename is Maja, describes his/her opinion of years with a heat pump. It is worth a read. It supports my judgement on heat pumps. I do not wish one in my house and I don’t think I am alone in wanting to keep my gas boiler.

      1. Here’s the letter:-

        Guzzling heat pumps
        SIR – I’m no expert, but I have had personal experience of a heat pump during the past seven years (“Heat pumps must be more than just hot air”, Comment, October 13). It was sourced and installed by a German company.

        Does the Government know how cumbersome they are, and how they dribble water? Ours is installed outside in our back yard, as there’s no way we could accommodate such a large appliance inside our home. We have a thriving moss patch around it.

        Do ministers know how they guzzle electricity in colder weather in order to function at all, or how loud they are? I’ve had to apologise to my neighbours many times over the years about the noise, which kicks in at the most unexpected and inopportune times.

        Maja Dijkstra
        Glasgow

        1. And a BTL comment to go with it:-

          Undiscovered Country
          18 Oct 2021 7:07AM
          Maja Dijkstra’s letter on heat pumps underlines how the desire for them seems to be being driven by middle class people who assume everyone has a large enough home or garden to accommodate them. The first test the government should put them through before considering their use is whether they will fit inconspicuously in the small homes many people live in. If they don’t, in what way are they a practical solution?

          1. Being practical isn’t a criterion for forcing heat pumps on to people when they’re considered the “green” solution by impractical politicians with an impractical agenda.

    2. There are quite a few air-2-air heatpumps in Norway, and they work even in the winter. They all sit outside – usually in a box with louvres to a) make pretty, and b)keep the snow off – and naturally dribble water everywhere – it’s the condensation out of the atmosphere. A proper installation will route the dribble to a drain, not let it splash all over the yard.
      They can be noisy, though.

      1. They may well appear to function in winter, but when the surrounding air is several degrees below zero, the electricity consumption must be enormous.

        1. WE rented a house last November, due to collapse of the sewers at home. The A-2-A heat pump worked fine.

          1. That’s fine if you are renting.

            However if you own one you will find maintenance very expensive.

    3. Next door neighbour’s ex had one installed a few years ago – she has no idea if it’s air or ground source but it’s a huge contraption outside and frequently needs attention.

  10. Good morning all.
    2°C and still dark, but the sky looks dull & overcast but at least it’s not raining.
    Yet.

  11. What would NoTTL consider a suitable sentence for a policeman who commits multiple sexual assaults on a child under 13 and records the assaults on his phone to enjoy at a later time……………….

    I somehow doubt the answer would be 2 years and dismissal………….

    The judiciary are just as much our enemies as the politicians

    Oh yeah you guessed it,one of the special ones

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/crime/cop-subjected-young-girl-disgusting-25171785

    2. That’s why the PTB have to shut 4* hotels to the GBP when Doverians arrive, because the lack of breakfast bacon would cause riots.

  14. Morning all

    SIR – I first knew Sir David Amess when he was a hard-working councillor in the London Borough of Redbridge prior to his selection as the parliamentary candidate for Basildon in 1983. Everyone involved with Ilford Conservatives respected his ability and decency but, more than that, we were proud that one of our own could progress from a humble background in working-class Plaistow to Westminster.

    When he retained Basildon in 1992, against the odds, David became a household name and he repaid his electors in Basildon and Southend with diligent and unwavering support for both towns and his native county of Essex. He would not want his wicked murder to weaken our collective and enduring resolve to ensure that freedom and democracy prevail.

    Philip Duly

    Haslemere, Surrey

    SIR – Animals have lost a strong, kind ally. Sir David Amess dedicated his life to making positive changes for the vulnerable among us – and he leaves behind a lasting legacy.

    He was responsible for introducing the Protection Against Cruel Tethering Act 1988, which made it illegal to bind horses and mules in ways that would cause them suffering. He also campaigned against illegal wildlife trafficking and cruel puppy mills, and he tabled an early day motion in Parliament to adopt modern research methods that spare animals suffering in painful experiments.

    He fought fiercely against any changes to the Hunting Act 2004 and lent his support to many animal organisations, including People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (Peta).

    To honour his memory, we will add a leaf with his name on it to the Peta Tree of Life memorial, which celebrates individuals who made a difference – and Sir David certainly did that.

    Ingrid Newkirk

    Founder, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals

    London N1

    SIR – It was disappointing to read Muriel Allen’s view that MPs’ constituency surgeries should be held online in future (Letters, October 16).

    This would disfranchise many, and show little regard for those in society who are often in the greatest need of MPs’ help. Those seeking the assistance of their MP, often as a last resort, are also commonly those whose budget does not stretch to a laptop or internet access.

    I applaud those MPs of all parties who opened surgeries for face-to-face meetings on Saturday in defiance of terrorism, demonstrating that democracy will prevail in a free society. Long may that last.

    Terry Fossett

    Swayfield, Lincolnshire

    SIR – It was heartening to see Sir Keir Starmer and Boris Johnson side by side in Southend on Saturday morning, paying tribute to Sir David Amess.

    Watch and learn, Angela Rayner.

    Alison Levinson

    Hastings, East Sussex

    1. I noted yesterday that Sir David attended a Grammar School which I’m sure would have given him the confidence to deal with all strata of society without fear or favour.

      1. Eh? Such confidence comes from being born in Great Britain, with British ancestry.
        Edit: insert appropriate country as you may prefer, eg Wales Scotland England or even Ireland.

    2. Those that thumbed me down the other day missed the point I was making when I argued that it was quite wrong to link Angela Rayner with Ali Harbi Ali.

      One of the first things that Jeremy Corbyn, a natural ally of Angela Rayner, did when he became Leader of the Opposition, was to issue a plea for a kinder approach to political debate. David Cameron did much the same thing when he became Leader of his party.

      Yet, the concept of Sir David Amess as “Tory Scum” simply makes Rayner’s outburst ridiculous, and her to be a potty-mouthed idiot, rather than a cold-hearted killer.

      I can appreciate her frustration, given the amount of corruption that has infected our national institutions, yet I might also suggest that it is sadly not limited to the Conservative Party.

      However, the martyrdom of Sir David at the hands of someone in a cult with its own warped concept of martyrdom, points to a much nobler humanity that has for too long been invisible and not promoted by those that set public opinion.

      I want to know how to love and how to be loved, and I am sick of this constant preoccupation with abuse and the need for safeguarding. The price to pay for this is the blood of martyrs, but this is also what has sustained Christianity for two millennia.

    3. Terry Fossett may be misguided with his applause for the politicians holding Saturday surgeries; most ‘lone wolf attacks by mentally impaired Norwegians called Dave’ occur after mohamedan prayers on a Friday.

    4. I’m sorry to hear that David Amess wouldn’t support amendments to the flawed Hunting Act. It is so badly worded and has ended up causing suffering (because it had nothing to do with welfare and everything to do with class warfare).

  15. Guzzling heat pumps

    SIR – I’m no expert, but I have had personal experience of a heat pump during the past seven years (“Heat pumps must be more than just hot air”, Comment, October 13). It was sourced and installed by a German company.

    Does the Government know how cumbersome they are, and how they dribble water? Ours is installed outside in our back yard, as there’s no way we could accommodate such a large appliance inside our home. We have a thriving moss patch around it.

    Do ministers know how they guzzle electricity in colder weather in order to function at all, or how loud they are? I’ve had to apologise to my neighbours many times over the years about the noise, which kicks in at the most unexpected and inopportune times.

    Maja Dijkstra

    Glasgow

    1. Do we ask why Ms. Dijkstra isn’t using a more efficient form of heating? Would this be a case for cutting your losses, lessons learned etc …?
      (And what a wonderful alternative surname for the Cressida.)

  16. Reliant on a local supermarket for GP services

    SIR – I am on the “extremely vulnerable” Covid list, and am grateful to the Government for regular letters of advice.

    However, I find it intolerable that my GP practice has told me twice not to phone until the end of October to get an appointment for a flu jab. Due to my vulnerability, I consider that is too late. In any case I know what will happen. After a 45-minute wait to get through they will tell me that all the appointments have gone.

    Fortunately a good friend checked the Tesco website every evening for two weeks and emailed me when my local branch started offering flu jabs. My husband and I were fortunate to get the last two appointments for the following day.

    I am very grateful, but at a loss as to why GP surgeries cannot do this when supermarkets can.

    Patricia Eastwood

    Skipton, North Yorkshire

    SIR – Dr Ken Leeper (Letters, October 15) suggests we engage with GP receptionists. If only.

    John Kirk

    Leicester

    SIR – Primary care services are not just provided by GPs. There is an enormous number of skilled nurses who do a lot of the work once traditionally done by doctors. We examine, diagnose, treat and refer, allowing the doctors to focus on sicker patients and those with more complex problems.

    In my practice virtually all chronic-disease management is done by highly skilled nurses, as are routine tasks such as immunisations, dressings and injections.

    Today’s skilled practice nurses and nurse practitioners are ageing and it is difficult to attract more junior nurses to the speciality when the training courses have been cut. Three of our current team are officially retired but we continue to work.

    We have continued to provide face-to-face appointments when needed, but some patients prefer telephone or video consultations and so we have also continued to offer these. We have worked hard to provide a high standard of care during this pandemic, as well as giving Covid and now flu jabs.

    Chris Tate

    Holt, Norfolk

    1. Supermarkets are businesses that can go bust if they do not perform.
      Doctors are an arm of government who clearly (some exceptions) do not perform, yet get paid anyway.
      I wonder if the two cases have any link?
      (ponders).

      1. Imagine if supermarkets could claim an annual capitation fee based on the number of customers.
        The shelves would look like Soviet shops c. 1960.

  17. And so it begins in the UK:

    The Scottish government’s vaccine passport scheme has become enforceable by law from Monday morning.
    Nightclubs and large events, like some football matches, will only be able to allow entry to people who can show they have had two doses of a Covid vaccine.
    The scheme came into effect on 1 October after MSPs voted to back the proposals.
    Businesses were given a 17-day “period of grace” to allow venues time to test out their procedures.
    People who have had two vaccines in Scotland can download or get a paper copy of a certificate with a QR code.
    Everyone over the age of 18 must now show – if asked – that they have had both doses of the vaccine before they are allowed entry to certain venues and events. These include:
    Nightclubs and “analogous venues”
    Adult entertainment venues
    Unseated indoor events with more than 500 people, even if some are seated
    Unseated outdoor events with more than 4,000 people
    Any event with more than 10,000 people in attendance
    The scheme requires venues to put in place a “reasonable system” to check the status of customers, with certain exemptions on medical grounds.

      1. Sadly only a total boycott of these venues will bring pressure to bear on the MSP artists to abandon the policy…..

    1. Frankly, as an Orthodox Christian and I suppose the same would go for any Catholic, I do not regard the “Bishop” of St David as anything other than a woman masquerading as something she is not. And since the Bishop of York also supports Gay marriage I regard him as beyond the pale too. Both, along with the Chief Cretin of Canterbury, simply illustrate the utter degeneracy of the modern Anglican Church, which has given up Christianity for Woke dogma and pagan values.

    2. Good morning, Citroen.

      Thank you for posting this good article by Nigella’s brother from which I quote:

      ‘A person who had worked with her said that Margaret Thatcher was, in her dealings with her most junior staff, “unfailingly solicitous and personally kind” and went on to say that those whose image was generally of being ‘caring’ tended to be the most unpleasant to work for. Whereas those whose public face seemed to be harsh, and even unfeeling, turned out to be a delight as an employer.”

      This called to mind these song lyrics from the musical, Hair which was produced in the 1960s:

      Easy to Be Hard

      How can people be so heartless
      How can people be so cruel
      Easy to be hard
      Easy to be cold
      How can people have no feelings
      How can they ignore their friends
      Easy to be proud
      Easy to say no
      Especially people who care about strangers
      Who care about evil and social injustice
      Do you only care about being proud
      How about I need a friend, I need a friend
      How can people be so heartless
      You know I’m hung up on you
      Easy to be proud
      Easy to say no
      Especially people who care about strangers
      Who care about evil and social injustice
      Do you only care about being proud
      How about I need a friend, I need a friend
      How can people be so heartless
      How can people be so cruel
      Easy to be proud, easy to say no
      Easy to be gone, easy to say no
      Come on, easy to get read
      Easy to say no
      But too easy to be cold
      Easy to say no
      But too easy to say no

  19. ‘Morning, Peeps.

    DT Comment about Macron, the increasingly tedious little French Blownaparte:

    France’s threats against Brexit Britain have left Emmanuel Macron increasingly isolated

    If he is the “good European” he claims to be, he should leave these matters to the UK and the European Commission

    TELEGRAPH VIEW
    17 October 2021 • 10:00pm

    Following the UK’s exit from the EU, Emmanuel Macron saw an opportunity to make France the key player in the bloc. With Germany hamstrung by its history and the departure of Angela Merkel as chancellor, President Macron sought the leadership of the union by proposing greater integration. It is deeply ironic, therefore, that the EU has not supported France’s hard line over fishing rights in the Channel and yet, rather than accept the consensus, Mr Macron is determined to pursue a unilateral course of action.

    Other member states declined to back France’s demand for sanctions, agreeing only to “further technical work in accordance with the spirit and the letter of the (withdrawal) agreement”. This has left Mr Macron looking isolated, but with an election next spring he can hardly be seen to back down. Fishing makes up a tiny proportion of the French economy but is an important political issue in northern coastal areas where the Right is strongest. Mr Macron is also eager to scotch a rising tide of Euro-scepticism by seeking to make Brexit as difficult as possible for the British.

    His ministers have been making all sorts of threats, including cutting off the electricity inter-connector between France and the UK. In the midst of an energy crisis this would be a serious matter. Now French fishermen are threatening to blockade the Channel in the run-up to Christmas which, given the supply chain problems we have witnessed recently, could have a major impact on imports of food and consumer goods.

    If Mr Macron is the “good European” he claims to be, he should leave these matters to be sorted out by talks between the European Commission and the UK Government.

    * * *

    A leading BTL comment:

    Homo Cogitandi
    18 Oct 2021 12:17AM
    🤔 Now is the time for the UK to tell the EU to bring Macron to heel. We should tell the EU that if he continues to stir trouble over the UK’s Fishing Grounds, then then we will withdraw all fishing licences for the EU in UK waters. Furthermore, if he continues to encourage illegal immigration into UK from French shores, then we will deduct the whole cost (not just housing and benefits, but the lifetime cost of each illegal immigrant in terms of social and infrastructure costs) from the £49b Brexit settlement to EU; that should get their attention.

    Fat chance, HC. We have no one with the balls to do so!

    2. It will not happen but it would be gloriously amusing if France were actually expelled from the EU by the other member states!

  20. Am I the only one who considers the amount of information in this Daily Record report of the murder of a 14yo more than a bit lacking?
    No information of the type of attack, be it knife, bludgeon, kicking etc and certainly nothing about the attackers nor witnesses:-

    Murder of Justin McLaughlin – what happened and everything we know so far as cops probe death of 14-year-old

    Fourteen-year-old Justin McLaughlin schoolboy died following an incident at Glasgow’s High Street station on Saturday.

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/murder-justin-mclaughlin-what-happened-25234650

    1. A few scant days ago the Deputy CC Kerr, said that they would keep protestors in Glasgow safe.

          1. We have now been told that a 16 year old has been arrested. That’s probably as much as we will ever know. The judicial service will put a ban on name and other details being published.

      1. As Anne has stated, without the Record saying so, we’ve already learned to assume two things in these situations.

        1. He was stabbed and
        2. By a person of colour, i.e. non-white.

    6. The truth of the matter is that if no physical description of an assailant is given then most people assume that the reason why no physical description has been given is because the PTB do not want us to know anything about the assailant’s appearance.

      And if the PTB do not want us to know anything about the appearance of the assailant then they have a strong motive for not giving us a physical description of the assailant because, if we had a physical description of the assailant we, the public, might, rightly or wrongly, leap to the conclusion that this sort of assault is typical of the behaviour of anyone who has a similar physical appearance to the assailant.

      Unfortunately if we have no physical appearance given us of the assailant we might jump to a prejudiced conclusion about the physical appearance of the assailant and so, concealing what the assailant looks like, might be counter-productive and it would have been better to have given a physical description of the assailant in the first place.

      (Hamlet’s old and much-ridiculed counsellor, Polonius, who ended up being stabbed through the arras, told us that brevity is the soul of wit. I think my deliberate and contrived verbosity proves his point!)

    3. What a thoroughly wise man he is.

      If we listened to more people of his racial origins and more people like Candace Owens then there would be no anti-black racism at all.

      The trouble is that we listen to the wrong black people – and the vehement white idiots – and this tends to corrupt our views.

      1. WE don’t listen; it’s middle class – and rich – numpties suffering post-colonial guilt who inflict the likes of BLM on us.

      2. I am reading Sowell’s ‘The Vision of the Anointed’ and recommend it.

        My copy took several weeks to import and whilst described as ‘good’ some idiot had scrawled comments on the first few pages.

  23. Good Moaning.
    Oh, look it’s Monday again.
    Housework day; MB and I stand ready for the force of nature that is our cleaner.
    Now, what haven’t I organised?

    1. Yo anne & your MB

      I am afraid, i must fiddle with your post, you being a proud lady

      Now, what haven’t I organised? cleaned

      1. You jest. MB’s late Uncle Willie used to thoroughly clean his house before his cleaner arrived so she didn’t think he was a slut.

        2. We had the same problem … my wife (a typical Pole, who tend to be anti-dust, dirt and disorder fanatics**) would tend to work like a (what’s the word?) … in the hour before our cleaner arrived on Monday.

          ** Boy, did she marry the wrong type of guy …

    2. Yo anne & your MB

      I am afraid, i must fiddle with your post, you being a proud lady

      Now, what haven’t I organised? cleaned

  24. 340206+ up ticks,

    Morning Each,

    Monday 18 October: Sir David Amess’s election to Parliament inspired working-class Tories

    To my way of thinking Sir David Is not to be allowed to Rest in Peace,he was born homo sapien and he made good taking the honest & decency path, if anything let that be a message for those in-house to take forward,
    instead of a deflecting class war.

    The DOVER campaign & the dangers of islamic ideology are still in your face continuing odious FACTS and should be recognised by lab/lib/con current party members / leaders as such.

    Just heard the brendan cox input via the bbc am expecting more of the same.

    1. What did Brendan Cox have to say?

      As I recall he was a great empathiser with the Muslim cause and he demonstrated this empathy by ‘behaving inappropriately’ with the women who worked in his office for which he was sacked.

      It was also rumoured that at the time of his wife’s murder he was on the point of deserting her and an imminent divorce process was expected to be put in motion.

      1. Water under the bridge Rastus. His sainted wife is now his meal ticket and so he is the perpetually grieving and devoted husband until his dying day.

        1. I think a word recently used by the deputy leader of the Labour Party could very aptly be applied to him.

      2. Cox was on TV this morning, of course. He was introduced as Jo Cox’s husband. I’d have thought “widower ” was more correct. But a journalist with degrees in media studies, with the main subject being Mickey Mouse, will make the odd mistake, I suppose.

      3. 340206+ up ticks,
        Morning R,
        I only heard the start then OH stifled the radio in a very menacing manner, I cannot listen to that twisted tw@t was her very words.

      2. The Religion of Peace’s adherents are mounting a competitive offensive to see if they can kill the UK first – well before Boris Johnson and his minions do.

    1. Good morning Bill.
      I’m just back from run to Twiggs in Matlock and a bit of shopping in the town.
      Grey but dry in Derbyshire and not too cold either.

    1. Reminder to self, obtain a sub-machine gun and 100 full magazines.

      Those pigeons are getting to be a real nuisance.

    3. The first are doing a Sufi chant. So theoretically at least, mostly harmless. The others showing their rear ends, bullseyes?

  29. ADVICE FROM A RETIRED HUSBAND

    It is important for men to remember that, as women grow older, it becomes harder for them to maintain the same quality of housekeeping as when they were younger. When you notice this, try not to yell at them. Some are oversensitive, and there’s nothing worse than an oversensitive woman.

    My name is Ron. Let me relate how I handled the situation with my wife, Carol Anne. When I retired a few years ago, it became necessary for Carol Anne to get a full-time job, along with her part-time job, both for extra income and for the health benefits that we needed. Shortly after she started working, I noticed she was beginning to show her age. I usually get home from the golf club about the same time she gets home from work.

    Although she knows how hungry I am, she almost always says she has to rest for half an hour or so before she starts dinner. I don’t yell at her.. Instead, I tell her to take her time and just wake me when she gets dinner on the table. I generally have lunch in the Men’s Grill at the club, so eating out is not reasonable. I’m ready for some home-cooked grub when I hit that door. She used to do the dishes as soon as we finished eating. But now it’s not unusual for them to sit on the table for several hours after dinner.

    I do what I can by diplomatically reminding her several times each evening that they won’t clean themselves. I know she really appreciates this, as it does seem to motivate her to get them done before she goes to bed.

    Another symptom of aging is complaining, I think.For example, she will say that it is difficult for her to find time to pay the monthly bills during her lunch hour. But, Boys, we take ’em for better or worse, so I just smile and offer encouragement. I tell her to stretch it out over two, or even three days. That way, she won’t have to rush so much. I also remind her that missing lunch completely now and then wouldn’t hurt her any (if you know what I mean). I like to think tact is one of my strong points.

    When doing simple jobs, she seems to think she needs more rest periods. She had to take a break when she was only half-finished mowing the yard. I try not to make a scene. I’m a fair man. I tell her to fix herself a nice, big, cold glass of freshly squeezed lemonade and just sit for a while. And, as long as she is making one for herself, she may as well make one for me, too.

    I know that I probably look like a saint in the way I support Carol Anne. I’m not saying that showing this much consideration is easy. Many men will find it difficult. Some will find it impossible! Nobody knows better than I do how frustrating women get as they get older. However, Guys, even if you just use a little more tact and less criticism of your aging wife because of this article, I will consider that writing it was well worthwhile. After all, we are put on this earth to help each other.
    Signed,
    Ron

    EDITOR’S NOTE:
    Ron died suddenly on JuLY 31 of a perforated rectum.

    The police report says he was found with a Calloway extra-long 50-inch Big Bertha Driver II golf club jammed up his rear end, with barely 5 inches of grip showing, and a sledge hammer laying nearby.

    His wife Carol Anne was arrested and charged with murder.

    The all-woman jury took only 10 minutes to find her Not Guilty, accepting her defense that Ron, somehow without looking, accidentally sat down on his golf club.

  30. Good morning all,

    There was a stunning red sunrise this morning , no 1 son up early for a long drive to work , so the household stirred , dogs need to go in the garden , came back inside with wet feet .

    Slight breeze now and a light drizzle. Not really a useful laundry day.

      1. Red sky at night, shepherd’s delight.
        Red sky in the morning, shepherd’s hut on fire 🙂

  31. 340206+ up ticks,

    Nearly there, that is, death of a decent nation via the polling booth and the foreign womb.

    breitbart,
    Demographic Collapse: British Fertility Rate Lowest in History, But Number of Foreign Mothers at Record High

    1. Good morning King Stephen.
      Good article, thanks for the link. Nothing new about the age adjusted mortality rate, which was published months ago. Having suffered zero excess deaths from China virus, the UK is starting to experience many avoidable deaths from ignored tumours.

    2. We had a couple of reasonably mild winters; there were many ageing poppies ripe for beheading.

  34. Britain faces ‘wave of terror attacks plotted by bedroom radicals’
    Security services warn ministers over new threat from ‘lone wolves’ who were radicalised online during lockdown
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/17/britain-faces-wave-terror-attacks-plotted-bedroom-radicals/

    Hoodagesstit?

    There is one principal lesson to be learnt from this but this is the very lesson the PTB refuse to learn, refuse to accept and refuse to do anything about:

    If you allow an explosion in numbers in your country of people who detest you, your values and your way of life then these people are likely to want to kill you and may very well set about doing so. And this homicidal lust is often carried on to the next generation of these culturally alien settlers.

    1. The Norwegian Methodists were allowed to come here freely and that has resulted in many extreme right wing terrorism attacks.

    3. Good morning! They won’t be looking for Islamic radicals. This will be an excuse to further target opposition to the Great Reset.

    1. Good morning, gloom, gloom and gloom again! But to the story you link to. Good that it’s a shambles. The more these climate yahoos are shown up for the incompetents they are, the better. All the more to make their ridiculous climate and energy pretentions hit the buffers before they cause to much damage.

      1. The ones who make a lot of money from it and the people they employ. The latter, I would guess, not so much. They range from ‘geez us a job’ to devotees of Saint Greta the Gremlin.

      2. The Prince William of Woke. Note that he is a slave Saint David Attenborough – just as his loopy father was a slave to (the fake) Laurens van der Post.

  36. EARTHSHOT PRIZE – Where’s my £1M…?

    Two best friends who grow coral and the country of Costa Rica are among the winners of the first ever Earthshot Prizes.
    The annual awards were created by the Duke of Cambridge to reward people trying to save the planet.
    There were five winners announced in London, each receiving £1m.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58948339

    SAVE the Planet – cull the population..

    2. If Gaia were real, she’d be laughing heartily. Helios thinks this climate change stuff is a great wheeze.

    3. Read it, all very commendable but really, a decade before we are doomed. No evidence for this at all despite the religious ravings of Extinction Rebellion and their adjunct The Holy Roaders of Insulate Ingrate.

        1. Are you a parrot fish masquerading as a human being? If so coral is an edible. If not prepare for expensive dental work.

          2. If they did, it is a bit of information I didn’t learn although it would have been invaluable to know 😁

          4. Rather spiff if you were a Victorian baby Lord Fauntleroy other wise it was: “Shut up and rattle the rat bones.”

        2. To go along with the end of times theme, yes it is.
          The crown of thorns starfish predates it.

    4. The Prince of Woke ought to stick to unveiling plaques and cutting ribbons. He is now as bad as his bat-crazy father.

  38. Good morning all, just back from an early tee time (we only played 10 holes as for once the forecast rain arrived on time). How the groups in front of us actually saw their balls in the dark, on the early holes, must be down to a carrot-heavy diet. It’s funny listening to my media-following golf buddies parrot the latest nonsense, as I search the gorse for my latest shot.

    2. Moh is just about to leave home for a mid morning competition on another course , I read your comment to him, and of course , he groaned .. He will be crackling with wet weather gear and umbrella ship, 7 holes will be the bail out time .. as the course is exposed to all the elements .

      Slight drizzle here , but may get worse later though.

      1. I play on Prestwick St Nicholas GC; on many holes only the end of the promenade or the coastal path separate us from the beach. An off-shore breeze today, makes for a change of plan on some holes. On the bright side, being so close to the coast on a sandy base, the course only closed for two days last year due to ice and snow.

  39. Good morning all, just back from an early tee time (we only played 10 holes as for once the forecast rain arrived on time). How the groups in front of us actually saw their balls in the dark, on the early holes, must be down to a carrot-heavy diet. It’s funny listening to my media-following golf buddies parrot the latest nonsense, as I search the gorse for my latest shot.

    1. Apart from it being intrusive, we’ve ditched ours (gave it to a Grandson of Best Beloved). This extract from that Wiki article, thank you, Johnny:

      In November 2018, Amazon sent 1700 recordings of an American couple to an unrelated European man. The incident proves that Alexa records people without their knowledge.[87] Although the man who received the recordings reported the anomaly to Amazon, the company did not notify the victim until German magazine c’t also contacted them and published a story about the incident. The recipient of the recordings contacted the publication after weeks went by following his report with no response from Amazon (although the company did delete the recordings from its server). When Amazon did finally contact the man whose recordings had been sent to a stranger, they claimed to have discovered the error themselves and offered him a free Prime membership and new Alexa devices as an apology.[87]

      Amazon blamed the incident on “human error” and called it an “isolated single case”. However, in May 2018 an Alexa device in Portland, Oregon, recorded a family’s conversation and sent it to one of their contacts without their knowledge. The company dismissed the incident as an “extremely rare occurrence” and claimed the device “interpreted background conversation” as a sequence of commands to turn on, record, send the recording, and select a specific recipient.[88]

      Alexa has been known to listen in on private conversations[89] and store personal information which was hacked and sent to the hacker. Although Amazon has announced that this was a rare occurrence, Alexa shows the dangers of using technology and sharing private information[90] with robotics.

      1. It appears millions are not at all bothered of the potential of these things. Does no one question anything today.
        Prehaps if they had questioned the jabs they would not have had them.

        1. Johnny, people don’t think these days. They put the most personal and intimate details on Facebook and never think of the possible consequences. They never consider anybody else (have had two instances of such parking over the last two days; yesterday someone abandoned – and I use the term advisedly; the doors were left wide open – a large rented van blocking access to my drive and today someone parked blocking the entrance to the local sorting office, causing a tail back because people couldn’t get in and some very dodgy overtaking by impatient drivers).

    2. Who would want one of these creepy thing in their house anyway? It bewilders me that people are so willing to give up their autonomy to machines they barely understand, if at all.

    3. I commented last week, Johnny that we have 2 Google devices, which frequently ‘overhear’ us and then we get emails and adverts for items mentioned! Very scary!

      1. I don’t use Google at all and I only have two ordinary computers but I get emails, adverts and even videos that pop up on You Tube that are clearly tailored to me. I do not like it at all but I have no idea if you can do anything about it without making a computer inoperable. It’s quite disturbing to see, even on online newspapers, adverts clearly related to searches I have made.

        1. I find that the YouTube videos that FB inflicts on me are anything but tailored to me – some are even in languages that I can’t speak!

          1. I should have been more accurate. I was watching Steven Crowder a few days ago and he mentioned that the search engine on You Tube is not a search engine. What it actually does when you put a search term into it, is use algorithms to produce what it thinks you should watch. It also deliberately prevents you from finding things they do not want you to find. I mentioned in my last post about You Tube that I still have most of the videos concerning testimony of the accusations that massive fraud was committed against Trump at the elections, I bookmarked them. But if you type in the titles of any of those videos, it will come up blank. In other words you have to have them in the first place because otherwise You Tube will pretend they don’t exist. The censorship on You Tube is massive.

        2. We use the google smart things for the radio, as we can no longer stand any beeboid rubbish, and I do like Talk radio and Times radio as well, but they are quite scary as they sometimes pick up a word and then speak to us!

    4. I wouldn’t have one – I don’t want to be tracked by a spy. I leave my phone at home as well.

      1. At a party at my neighbours house i instructed their Alexa to play the music from Jaws at 3.am loudly. The host overheard me and cancelled the instruction.

        Later on i related what i had done to another party goer in the kitchen because i had had a drinkie or two and thought it hilarious.

        Their second Alexa picked up what i said and at 3 in the morning it activated my instruction.

        Lucky my neighbours have a good sense of humour. :@(

          1. I blame it on the 57 proof Gin they were feeding me. It did get to the point that i forgot the tonic. ***Innocent face…

  41. OT – yesterday evening, I mentioned seeing our old cat Mousie. Seventeen and still going fairly strong.

    When the MR and I got together in 1993, we acquired two ginger kittens – Bob and Thompson. Lovely animals.
    Bob died quite suddenly in 2004 – and Thompson was utterly bereft. He went off his food, and just sat for hours, obviously very sad.
    So we took in 8 week old Mousie from a friend whose cat had just had a litter. After a couple of days of spitting and ignoring her, Thompson took Mousie under his wing and she totally rejuvenated him. They would sleep together in the same basket, play games etc etc.

    Thompson died in 2009 and Mousie coped alrigh. Then, when the MR went to Monaco, she had to b re-homed – with a chum. And 12½ years on is still with chum.

    This is Mousie – a very, very senior cat!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3bf92542955f3df312294d262926cc0915703cae6d909827350bc86546cdcbf1.jpg

    1. So noble and handsome , ahhh , Gorgeous.

      Cats do bring tranquility to a home, unlike spaniels who anticipate every move you make and fuss fuss fuss around ..

        1. For persistent barking, Fox Terriers are the champions. I had no idea before I acquired Oscar.

      1. When some of the Teslas explode into unextinguishable flames, we will see the real worth of EVs.

        1. As an item of interest, could someone tell us all whether there is an additional insurance premium on Teslas

          for being destroyed by fire?

          There appears to be quite a number that spontaneously combust.

        1. It appears that way.

          Interesting approach, “A” calls it one station, “B” refutes that by showing two points. Both comments get widely distributed.

    2. Not just Tesla cars. A whole fleet of Jaguar Land Rover to ferry around their acolytes. Look how green we aren’t !

      Good afternoon, Rik

      2. The silly boy won’t have the sense to realise that one of his predecessors, Cnut, was proving the point that he couldn’t rule the waves/nature. Bring it on!

    2. Thank you, NtN, for posting. It is very sobering. I have always thought that non-compliance was the way forward, and it is so easy to do! Just get on with our lives as we always have done, ignore their silly rules and regulations. I will forward it on.

      2. Well, HE won’t suffer. Probably got a private generator hooked up on the river, so that they can all look down their noses at us and claim to be green as we huddle round a single candle.

  48. Sounds like Mellow…Yellow….tra la..

    ‘Awful’ infection rising in England that causes ‘irreversible’ symptoms warns doctor
    THE CORONAVIRUS pandemic should not divert our attention from other public health threats. Donovanosis is gaining ground in England and the symptoms can be “irreversible”, warns doctor.

    https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1507466/infection-symptoms-sti-donovanosis-permanent-scarring-discolouration-irreversible-swelling

    1. Guess where this flesh eating disease comes from……….

      EPIDEMIOLOGY

      Donovanosis has a curious geographical distribution
      with “hotspots” in Papua New Guinea, KwaZulu-Natal, and eastern
      Transvaal in South Africa, parts of India and Brazil, and among the
      Aboriginal community in Australia. Sporadic cases are reported elsewhere
      in southern Africa, the West Indies, and South America. The largest
      epidemic was reported among the Marind-anim people in Papua New Guinea
      where, between 1922–52, 10 000 cases were identified from a population
      of 15 000.4

      Categorized by Charles Donovan in Madrass.

        1. What a blooming coincidence! I’ve got the boys here today and whilst they’re having their lunch I’m playing a couple of Donovan’s children’s songs! ‘Riding in my car’ with the appropriate actions of course, seems to go down a stom! ‘Horn goes “beep, beep”…

    2. Nice, not to be sniffed at if you catch the wind.
      “The early signs are lumps around the genitals or anus that increase in size and take on a beefy-red appearance.
      These can develop into ulcers that, without treatment, can become infected, which can result in pain and an unpleasant smell. It’s more likely to affect men.”

    3. Expect the next lockdown on November 12th to coincide with the end of the Green Rabbles pontificating in Glasgow.

  49. Man arrested over death threat to Labour MP days after horrific David Amess murder
    A MAN has been arrested after sending death threats to a Labour MP, just days after the murder of Sir David Amess.

    HomeNewsPolitics
    Man arrested over death threat to Labour MP days after horrific David Amess murder
    A MAN has been arrested after sending death threats to a Labour MP, just days after the murder of Sir David Amess.
    By CHLOE DAVIES

    Labour MP Chris Bryant received death threats from an individual, after calling for people to be kinder after the Conservative MP was stabbed to death on Friday. A tweet he posted on Saturday said: “Let’s all send a kind message on Twitter today to a politician we disagree with. Let’s eliminate the negative

    Then on Sunday he posted: “You only have to look through some of the responses to this tweet to see the poison that is infecting British politics. And now I’ve had yet again another death threat.”

    South Wales Police said a 76-year-old man, from Pontycymer, Bridgend county has now been arrested on suspicion of malicious communications.

    Following the death of Sir David Amess, Mr Bryant told BBC Wales he did not know of any MP who had not received at least one death threat.

    The Rhondda MP also opened up about the abuse he receives, claiming he has been the recipient of malicious post every year he has been an MP.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1507552/labour-party-news-chris-bryant-death-threat-man-arrested-david-amess-murder

    Christopher John Bryant (born 11 January 1962) is a British politician and former priest who served as Deputy Leader of the House of Commons from 2008 to 2009 and Under-Secretary of State for Europe and Asia from 2009 to 2010.[1][2] He later served in the Shadow Cabinet as Shadow Culture Secretary and Shadow Leader of the House of Commons from 2015 to 2016. A member of the Labour Party, he has been Member of Parliament (MP) for Rhondda since 2001.

    Born in Cardiff, Bryant was privately educated at Cheltenham College before studying English at Mansfield College, Oxford. After graduating with a further degree in theology, he worked as a Church of England vicar as well as having roles at the BBC and Common Purpose. He was elected for Rhondda at the 2001 general election, with one of the largest majorities in the country.

    (His main problem is he keeps banging on publicly about his husband )

    He is also a failed Tory

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Bryant

    1. I notice today that the so called mayor of london is saying that Sir David Amess ‘has passed away’ as if by deliberately trying water down the horrible crime and murder event. For his own particular purpose.

        1. Everything he does is a way of undermining the people of this nation.
          Look up the Nation medical research building in NW7.
          The land around it and the building it’s self was due for redevelopment, the main building was scheduled to become flats and apartments that little shit gave the order for its complete demolition. It was started before WW2 but finished after as a little nipper my mother took me to the opening than by the King. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mill_Hill The building is bottom right green roof of Copper. I was brought up in the shadow of it.
          all wiped out now and the Inglis barracks all built over, since that little shit took over.

  51. I think that I’ve stumbled on the explanation for the cartoon Citroen put up earlier. Leaked documents, to the Observer, appear to be the answer. Perhaps there exists, in some dark and forgotten space in the Treasury, a person who is not a greeniac and may detest Johnson too. The other option is that Sunak wants to derail Johnson and his green-crazed ideas.

    https://twitter.com/toadmeister/status/1449733831691472906

    2. I wonder how much of the carbon savings allegedly made by the UK have simply been the result of production moving abroad?

      1. A very good point. Beggar the Country and then demand plaudits for being “Green”.

        Green:

        – deficient in training, knowledge, or experience

        – deficient in sophistication and savoir faire – naive

        – not fully qualified for or experienced in a particular function

        (Merriam-Webster)

        1. Hey it is working over here.
          Shut down efforts to build new pipelines, import lots of oil and gas from places with dodgy human rights records and then claim that Canada is green.

          A month after the urgently needed(?) election , they still haven’t announced the new cabinet but the press are making excuses for the doltas it is difficult to put together a gender balanced, regionally representative team. I’ll give them a bloody clue – select the best of your paltry bunch.

    3. It is high time Johnson took another mistress and stopped taking instructions from his wife.

    4. I had assumed it was Sunak running with the hare and the hounds, in order to unseat Boris and succeed him.
      Make the people think that he’s not part of Mr Global, before he takes over and inflicts more misery, eg the CBDC that he has already advocated.

        1. It’s only the same behaviour we’ve seen from every would-be Tory leader since about 2001!

  52. I have read the DT letters and there is not alot to be said , apart from the fact I loved the comments .

    If this isn’t your thing , skip it, but I was browsing You tube and found this familiar voice , and a really interesting snippet about halting the growth of brambles . not a bit boring , and a nice distraction from grim news topics x

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g1MCjhq_SE

    1. That black berry was a bit on the low side to pick and eat.
      In parts of Australia the black berry plants are being destroyed by chemical weed killer.
      It’s such a shame that so many old buildings have been left to crumble.

        1. Well I thought there had been a recent celebration of all things bright and bootiful 🤗

          No golfer or serious rambler would ever a eat a berry that low no matter what colour it was.

        2. That’s really interesting, Belle! How comforting it is… real history of places I know!

      3. Plenty of sloes, walnuts and blackberries this year.

        Caroline’s chocolate and walnut gluten-free brownies are to die for as is her blackberry and apple crumble. I am busy making sloe gin.

        1. We’ve had the best ever crop of blackberries (bjørnebær) this year – over 30kg. And the miserablist crop of apples. So, no blackberry & apple pie… :-((

        3. Sounds great.
          I made 4 small whole meal and granary loaves and two medium white yesterday. Our nearly two year old grand son was looking on. He understands that the oven was ‘hot’ but stands next to me grinning while watching the progress of the bake.
          I hope you don’t put too much sugar in the sloe gin mixture Richard, most people do.
          We have a walnut tree in our garden, it seems a squirrel must have buried the nut under the corner of one of our sheds. I doubt if we will ever get any fruit from it, we have to keep cutting it back. I usually make cider but I have been too well this year on and off, so I had to give it a miss. Last year was a good year I only have two 550ml bottles left out of 30 . Made mainly with cookers with added sweetener, It’s about 12 %. But it’s s lot of work all on home made equipment.

    2. Reminds me of the Alec Clifton-Taylor series on “Six English Towns” and “Six more English towns” that I enjoyed as a young man late in the 80s. I even bought the books.
      Such a good delivery in an interesting voice, of interesting information – and up to then, I wasn’t interested in the tiniest bit.
      Good one, Alec, good one Jack. Thanks!

    3. When we lived on the edge of the New Forest my father often shared a First Class railway carriage with Jack Hargreaves on his regular journey from Waterloo to Brockenhurst. They got on very well together and the lively conversation greatly enriched the journey – so much so that once my father failed to get off the train as he was so engrossed in his chatting that we had to go and pick him up at New Milton, the next station along the line.

      Mind you on a couple of other occasions we had to go to New Milton because he had fallen asleep.

  54. Sustainability drive! Prince William and Kate Middleton arrived at Earthshot Prize Awards in a fully electric £110,950 Audi. D Fail

    But they were wearing second hand clothes (i.e. worn twice) in sympathy with the cause.

    William wore the same bottle green jacket at Centrepoint’s 50th Anniversary two years ago, while Kate wore a £4,290 Alexander McQueen dress she first wore ten years ago in 2011, at a Bafta reception.

    How very utilitarian and ‘green’!

      2. Yo Plum

        Is that you bought it in the decade ’60’s,or, you bought it fo for you to use in your 60’s

    2. The Audi sounds a real bargain – only £111K or so – I’m surprised we don’t all have one!

    3. Next thing, Prince William will be buying a British made car.

      Oh wait !!

      The prime Minister wants more factories to be sent overseas to reduce emissions in Britain. How “green” !

    4. Next thing, Prince William will be buying a British made car.

      Oh wait !!

      The prime Minister wants more factories to be sent overseas to reduce emissions in Britain. How “green” !

    5. Next thing, Prince William will be buying a British made car.

      Oh wait !!

      The prime Minister wants more factories to be sent overseas to reduce emissions in Britain. How “green” !

    7. Yo Ped

      Prince William and Kate Middleton ……

      Can you imagine the Dafty Telygaff starting off an Artickle (sarc)

      POTUS Joe and Jill Tracy Jacobs Stevenson; arrived at…..

    8. That’s half the cost of a flat around these parts. It’s difficult to think that people should buy a car that expensive.

      Yes, I understand the technology only becomes workable once the price drops and that might need public investment, but bluntly, the forcing of this nonsense is simply idiotic.

    2. The Christmas bonus is £10.
      The £200 which comes soon is the extra heating allowance.

        2. The governments generosity knows no bounds – like the 25p a week for being over 80. You can’t even use a public bog for that

        3. I remember my grandmother getting the first £10 payment (can’t remember when it was!) but she bought herself a faux-fur hat! She said it was to keep her head warm!
          Edit: it was 1972!

          3. I hadn’t realised it had been at £10 for so long (almost 50 years – crikey, that made me feel old!).

          5. A time when the days were long and time seemed to last forever! No responsibilities, grey hairs or wrinkles either.

          8. £10 then – what is it worth today?

            Doesn’t cover the cost of a bottle of half-decent whisky – pah!

    1. Taken note !

      I haven’t bought the DT since my much loved parrot died last year .

      I used the broad sheet at the bottom of his cage .. easier to keep things clean and tidy .

    2. Thank you Johnathan! Keep up the good work! The number of dripping wet articles with no comment allowed is beyond a joke, and the twisting of the narrative is alarming.

    3. Many thanks, Joss. I increasingly despise the Telegraph. I tried unsubscribing a few months ago, but became bored with trying to defeat the paywall. One needs to obtain news from somewhere, and the BBC is out of the question. I’ve dropped the Spectator, but have realised I can still view the comments (which were the best part) via Disqus…

          8. It’s all the growly Vowels the America women seen to have developed, …..rapidly catching on here unfortunately.

          9. A neighbour who is a singing teacher and voice coach says it is a combination of clubbing (where they singalong raucously) and smoking (and/or drug taking).

    4. Yes, the complications being his being 84 and have heart disease.

      Still, he was an impressive man who made some rational decisions over the idiocy of the Iraq war.

  59. Cost of public sector pensions eclipses national debt: Total bill for gold-plated retirement funds stands at a whopping £2.4 TRILLION, study suggests
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10101989/Total-bill-gold-plated-public-sector-retirement-funds-stands-2-4-TRILLION-study-suggests.html

    And while this happens and public sector pensions continue to swell beyond control don’t forget that Gideon Osborn effectively forced many doctors to retire in their fifties because they would receive lower pensions if they continued to work,

    Gordon Brown started the rot with his great big private pension robbery and now the current chancellor is planning to attack private pensions yet again..

    1. I know a couple of people who worked for companies that were sold to European ‘investors’ and all the British workers lost their jobs as the businesses were closed down and the pension pots were emptied. Maxwell did that, but he received his rightful comeuppance. Shame Daft Vader and Blair don’t go boating.

    2. I know a couple of people who worked for companies that were sold to European ‘investors’ and all the British workers lost their jobs as the businesses were closed down and the pension pots were emptied. Maxwell did that, but he received his rightful comeuppance. Shame Daft Vader and Blair don’t go boating.

    3. Not sure GPs would receive ‘lower’ pensions. ‘Less’ pension perhaps, because they would exceed their Lifetime Pension Allowance, so any extra pension contributions wouldn’t attract tax relief and the payments might attract the higher rate of income tax. The simple fix is to raise the LPA, but that is too obvious.

  60. Spiked………………Fat Chance

    The discussion about the horrific slaying of Tory MP

    David Amess is set to change. Possibly radically. The police’s decision

    to treat his murder as a potential terrorist incident, with an Islamist

    motivation, is likely to shake up how the media elites in particular

    talk about it. Out will go any implacable political anger and the

    insistence that we search for the cultural and intellectual influences

    behind this barbaric act. In their place we’ll see demands for calm.

    Don’t feel too much fury, we’ll be told. Don’t extrapolate. Don’t blame

    it on any one faith or ideology. Don’t be Islamophobic. The

    liberal media will likely stop stirring up passionate feeling about this

    heinous crime, and instead seek to suppress such emotion.

    It is always the way when a suspected act of Islamist terror takes

    place. ‘Don’t look back in anger’ becomes the rallying cry. From the

    Manchester Arena bombing to the slaughter in London Bridge, Islamist

    outrages are always followed by a media demand that we don’t

    politicise them, don’t make them into focal points for national fury or

    feeling. Feel grief, of course. Lay a flower, sign a book of condolence,

    post a sad tweet, issue a platitude. ‘We mustn’t let the terrorists

    divide us’, etc etc. Just don’t dwell for too long on the frequency of

    such acts – scores of Brits have been killed by radical Islamists over

    the past five years – and, whatever you do, don’t ask awkward questions

    about what this violence might say about the divisions and tensions in

    21st-century British society. In the haze of the terroristic aftermath,

    we witness not the promotion of strong political feeling, but the

    policing of it. It seems likely something similar will happen following

    the Amess atrocity

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/10/16/can-we-now-have-an-honest-discussion-about-islamist-terrorism/

      1. Could we have a World War with Islam?

        Who to attack first?

        The answer is endless. Since they have one I’d nuke Pakistan and turn it to glass before they could retaliate.

    3. 340206+ up ticks,

      Afternoon Rik,

      Afternoon R,
      your post finds me in complete agreement, well said.

    4. The one single thing that can never be denied is, every where islam is and every where it moves to and takes root there is a lot of trouble.

    6. We’re already seeing saturation references to Jo Cox, claiming that Amess was NTDWI, just a nutter, who happened to be a Muslim.
      Even though the Cox murderer really was a total nutter, it was murder by a right wing terrorist.

      Same outcome, a dead MP, different spin.

  61. Moscow has announced that it will completely suspend the operations of its mission to NATO, two weeks after the US-led bloc expelled eight Russian diplomats for alleged ‘undisclosed espionage’ at its Brussels headquarters.
    Speaking on Monday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov also revealed that the NATO information bureau in Moscow will be forced to shut down as part of retaliatory measures.

    Earlier this month, NATO officials decided to slash the size of the permanent Russian delegation to the bloc, revoking the credenitals of eight envoys, in response to what it called “suspected malign Russian activities.”

    Following NATO’s decision, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova warned that Moscow would work on a response.
    Now, if the US-led bloc wants to talk to Russia, it must deal with the embassy in Belgium, Lavrov said.

    “As a result of purposeful steps by NATO, we do not have the right conditions for elementary diplomatic activities,” he told TASS news agency.

    “In response to NATO’s actions, we are suspending the work of our permanent mission, including the work of our chief military representative.”

    “The NATO International Secretariat has already been notified.”

    “If NATO members have any urgent matters, they can contact our ambassador in Belgium, who ensures bilateral relations between Russia and the Kingdom of Belgium,” the minister said.

  64. BTL comment:

    lorrinet(replying to)
    Peter Evans
    3 hours ago
    As I explained to my old friend of over 60 years back in the lockdown, I refuse to live my precious last years in a state of induced fear, and will proceed as though life was normal. I’ve worn no mask, and even ventured into Wales when it was forbidden (gasp!), had family to stay, socialised with whomever was willing (not many).

    This formerly dear, close friend, with whom I’d shared so many adventures, tears and much laughter over several decades, and who has not left her home in months, or seen her children (who live close by), who even has her shopping delivered and won’t open her door without a mask on, called me a ‘f**king moron’ and told me never to contact her again after I told her I’d refused the vaccine. I also showed her my proof of a full antibody count after covid recovery. Apparently I’m selfish and a danger to be around.

    This is not normally a stupid woman. She has an ascerbic wit along with a healthy mistrust of politicians and is not easily fooled, but somehow they got to her. She is now unable to take a single breath without fear. Though I grieve for my lost friend, I am so angry I could chew a car tyre.

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/professor-whitty-in-a-hole-and-still-digging

    2. “Those whom the Gods wish to destroy they first make mad.“!

      At a pinch you could say that Gods can and do act as they want but that is no excuse for our politicians to do so.

    5. The poor dear would probably be happier if she let her roots grow out. And of course stop gorging because her husband is a shoplifting queer. :@(

        1. Hmmm. You have just given me an idea…

          The neighbour’s kitty cat loves to torment Dolly. Prancing across the roof and the pergola. Looking sanguine and licking her bits as Dolly goes total nuts. Perhaps i should introduce Dolly to the benefits of a flamethrower.

  67. The BBC has created a story about a member of the Scottish football team, back in the early days. Andrew Watson was a very good player and a major influence on how the game was played. That story is not about that. The story is about his being black. The facts of the story tell a different tale to the one that BBC is pushing. He was in the team on merit. He was in the team despite his posh accent – although that may not have been relevant as I think that soccer was a gentleman’s sport in those days when it was amateur.
    The point is there was no racism then, nor very much since. “Racism” in the UK is, I suggest, a modern construct. (If you want to consider “racism” consider the relationship between Gala and Hawick.)

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58841184

    1. Indeed! But, remember, we are urged to get these pointless tests to ‘keep everyone safe’, protect Saint NHS and help prevent the spread of this oh-so-dangerous virus 🙂

      1. When the secretary of ether of my consultants deigns to respond i might start taking medical advice more seriously. Until then I will continue using Gin as a prophylactic.

    3. Evening Phil
      Do those who test themselves with no symptoms visit the cemetery every week to check they’re not dead??

      1. They look in the mirror, if there’s no reflection they’re dead and living dead.
        How cool is that?

      2. As with the old joke about reading the obits column first thing every morning and if you’re not there, get out of bed 😇.

  70. That’s me for today. Very successful. Two bike rides – total = six miles. Ten pounds of potatoes scrumped from nearby field. 2 lb of raspberries picked. All done BEFORE the rain started. Also sold an airfix type kit on E-bay for £25….!!

    Now engrossed in the Fitzwilliam Museum’s catalogue of the “Gold from the Steppes” exhibition which we are going to see on Friday.

    Have a jolly evening being constructive.

    A demain.

      1. Neither of us can bear waste.

        Indeed, the MR said that the farmer – having lifted what his machinery could – ought to have told villagers that they were welcome to come and forage.

  72. Coal-in a bucket Powell:

    His prestige lent credibility to the faulty case for the war to rid Iraq of weapons of mass destruction.

    Good riddance.

      2. His lying and false advice lead to the deaths of more than 180 British servicemen and thousands of physical and mental injuries. You obviously don’t care for the lives and welfare of others.

    3. The last line is a bit harsh. I was disappointed in him at the time – I thought he should have known better – unlike the spawn of Satan in with whom he cast his lot. But Powell was more than that.

  73. Well. It seems that the Trans-Tw@terati are upset by the chorus of my Trans song and I’ve got a 12h ban!

    If a person’s born with bollocks he’s a bloke,
    If a person’s born with bollocks he’s a bloke,
    If a person’s born with bollocks,
    Though they call him Betty Swollocks,
    If a person’s born with bollocks he’s a bloke!

    Chorus:-
    You can shove your Trannie bullshit up your arse,
    You can shove your Trannie bullshit up your arse,
    You can shove your Trannie bullshit,
    It’s really such a farce,
    You can shove your Trannie bullshit up your arse!

    If a baby’s got a fanny, it’s a girl,
    If a baby’s got a fanny, it’s a girl,
    If a baby’s got a fanny,
    Just like your dear old Grannie,
    If a baby’s got a fanny, it’s a girl!

    If a baby’s got a willie, it’s a lad,
    If a baby’s got a willie, it’s a lad,
    If a baby’s got a willie,
    Don’t start being silly,
    If a baby’s got a willie, it’s a lad!

    1. Just a suggestion for an alternative last verse ending:

      If a baby’s got a willie,
      Even though you call him Jilly,
      If a baby’s got a willie, it’s a lad.

  74. Someone made on-line payments on the 15th October on my debit card which has been in my possession all the time. Natwest Fraud are looking into it. A large Sainsbury’s payment, Wetherspoons and Domino Pizzas were the companies the payments went to.. I have never been in either Wetherspoons or Domino pizzas and the Sainsbury’s payment was much more than normal at £176 . I asked for my card to be destroyed and a non contactless one provided but Natwest have withdrawn non-contactless ones now. The Fraud people are looking into it. There’s just less than £200 at risk.

    1. My Barclays debit card is set to block remote/online payments. Do NatWest offer that option?

      1. Good evening Sue -They do check if the payment is well away from my area or if it is an unusual transaction. I got dealt with quickly by Natwest – within half an hour but it was annoying at the start when waiting to hear the usual apology being repeated every 10 seconds

    2. I had fraudulent use of my debit card in Just Eat nearly two years ago – actually Barclays fraud team were on to it before I was.

    2. For me, what this young man says, resonates with me and I see that the ONLY solution to the problems that these people cause us, is mass expulsion of EVERY Muslim in Britain and the destruction of their Mosques and Madrassas, putting them on a level with the Churches and Schools in all Islamic countries – oh, and ban the Quran as a terrorist handbook.

  78. From TCW
    The jamboree of virtue signalling taking place from the end of this
    month in Glasgow would, in the real world, rightly be excoriated for
    what it is. The spectacle of wealthy individuals lecturing the put-upon
    electorate as to how they should accept wholesale, economically and
    socially damaging changes to their lifestyle in pursuit of some
    unattainable Arcadia will be a nauseating spectacle. More so when we
    wave them off cosseted in their private jets, no doubt congratulating
    each other on a job well done.

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-futile-gesture-of-johnsons-rush-to-net-zero/

  80. Evening, all. What a dull, miserable (on and off drizzle) day it’s been here. Had to go into town to pay a bill and told the lass who helped find the order that had been set up (it didn’t show on the ATM Pay A Bill list) about the Hitler Phones … videos that were posted here last night. She’s going to look out for them.

    1. That Bruno Ganz was good in the role. Unfortunately died a couple of years ago, but his image is immortal…

      1. Wonderful actor. I remember him in “the American Friend” and “Unknown” as well as “Downfall”.

  82. ‘Night All

    Extensive “Ain’t that the truth files”

    https://twitter.com/TheTwatRises/status/1450158948477177860?s=20

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4d0142559a2cfbf8ad177c003748e154320f35bb5a5a82c0c7926f63726cdf8f.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7526af7c6c9c06249ca8273450ffce5e0048366dcd797b4af621365cd077282f.png

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/974cdd9368d6144272669ee32afb31d7f142fd33b289047ca8213c97f8745668.png

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/54b260ae8ea14df75fee888bf854b70fd5a686793325fb0be6cf8262ea7c22e2.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/01429ef2718cb1d0b46db18cc0f2b13a4e3ca24346a088e78ad4f05bb9d301c6.jpg

  83. It was a lovely evening yesterday and we were so ill at ease with the distressing news from all fronts we went for an amble around the Pill ( old English for a watery inlet apparently) in the sunshine to lift our spirits – it worked

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/adc52723e629d18a6cd7496774c8c3cf0eedc526c935a9429d801b0900c53f28.jpg

    On the way back home we passed yacht Tenara, laid up since her owner shipped his moorings about ten years ago, I spent many happy hours crewing and sailing this vessel and I was rendered slightly glum again seeing the sad state she’s descended to, I fear she will be broken up as she’s too far gone. Entropy rules I suppose

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3faecbd45660de738682a3a913cdb4e3469960dc28714b701bfb834efc89853e.jpg

    1. Beautiful sunset, Datz. Sad about the yacht. Pity nobody bought her and put her back in the water. If the weather has been kept out of the interior, she may yet be saved, though there’d be a lot of work in making her shiny again.

      1. Sadly within a few weeks of my chums passing somebody hacked the prop off, cut through the prop shaft. Tenara was always run on a very limited budget and my chum ( Lud ) made Michael Greene (the course sailor) look like Sir Francis Chichester. It had an auxiliary engine which was a 2 cylinder petrol Ailsa Craig of uncertain vintage that had a disconcerting habit of dropping onto 1 cylinder in sympathy with the wind, quite exciting when you’re fighting a 5kn current.

      1. Yes – spot on but I can only claim to have crossed the Bristol Channel , definitely a boat not for the claustrophobic ( or clumsy ) below decks.

        1. My two requirements are that my boats and my women must be good to look at.

          Mianda, our curent boat, and Caroline, my wife, both fit the bill!

      1. Me neither. But it’s our children and grandchildren who will suffer. On that cheerful note, goodness!

      2. Me neither. But it’s our children and grandchildren who will suffer. On that cheerful note, goodness!

    2. Should I survive, Maggie, I would be 97 but would have taken my own life before that.

      I know how!

    3. 340206+ up ticks,
      Evening TB,
      No way do I think it is a joke the signs are in parliament
      for all to observe.

      1. Patel is not in the picture. The dopey looking white chap in the front centre was allowed to resign with a large pay off and pension having accused Patel of bullying. Not sure who has replaced him but probably another ethnic.

        With a Home Office comprised of this lot is it any wonder that we have no enforceable border controls and no ability to send illegals back whence they came.

    1. Good night, Tom, and all NoTTLers. Arrived safely in Southport today and about to turn in.

  89. 340206+ up ticks,

    The take down of the United Kingdom is ongoing I take this issue as the common denominator in viewing my country today, judge & weep.

    Dennis Hutchings dies: Troubles veteran on trial over 1974 shooting loses Covid battle
    The 80-year-old, who was already seriously ill, tested positive on Sunday for the virus, forcing a judge to suspend criminal proceedings

  90. I couldn’t believe that I’d heard this on BBC Radio 4 last night:

    The government has announced that by 2025, all new homes will be banned from installing gas and oil boilers and will instead be heated by low-carbon alternatives.

    https://www.thermalearth.co.uk/blog/gas-boilers-banned-new-homes-2025

    This is because the prevention of climate change in the UK has become legally enforceable:

    the UK’s legally-binding climate change targets will not be met without the near-complete elimination of greenhouse gas emissions from UK buildings

    https://www.theccc.org.uk/publication/uk-housing-fit-for-the-future/

    The idea of using heat pumps in new developments will lead to an unbearable background hum from air source external pump fans that will cause more mental issues than COVID lockdown.

Comments are closed.