Monday 8 June: Jostling demonstrators were undoing the sacrifices of the lockdown

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  2. Protesters in flagrant breach of the rules risk undoing our progress against this terrible virus. 7 June 2020 • 9:59pm

    But these are not normal times. To protect us all, and to stop the spread of coronavirus, any large gatherings of people are unlawful.

    The severe public health risk forces me to continue to urge the public not to attend further protests.

    To add to this, some protesters regrettably turned violent and abusive this weekend. These scenes of lawlessness are completely unacceptable.

    The police have our full support in tackling any violence, vandalism or disorderly behaviour.

    Morning everyone. The words of someone who is in office but not in charge.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/06/07/protesters-flagrant-breach-rules-risk-undoing-progress-against/

      1. If only those naughty rioters had stood 6’6″ apart in hexagonal groups of six.
        p.s. I hope Colston’s statue will be given a good dettoling when it’s raised from the Avon; can’t be too careful.

      1. ‘Morning, Anne, if you’re talking about Priti Patel’s drivel, there are no BTL comments. Or is it the article that BoB has posted?

        2. Just nipped over to have a shufti.
          They’ve been removed. There were several hundred an hour ago and they were clicking up at a fair old lick.

      2. Morning Anne. It must have been bad the Comments have disappeared! Lol!

        1. As you posted, the comments were clicking up like a countdown clock.
          By the time you pressed ‘send’, your own comment arrived on a previous page.

    4. I hope they all get it and we refuse them treatment.

      Action, meet consequence.

  4. SIR – Years ago I went to a dinner party where the hostess proudly presented a suckling pig she had cooked in her dishwasher (Letters, June 6).

    If she is reading this, I know she won’t mind my saying that to call it undercooked is an understatement. It was very nearly still squealing.

    Patrick White
    London SW20

    Pah! Obviously not a Miele

    1. ‘Morning, Citroen. Patrick White fails to say whether his hostess’s dishwasher or its drainage ever worked again after such use.

        1. Yes, as long as you whack up the temperature to get into the red and then put the dishes on the hot plate. The food will just dry up, carbonise and fall off.

          Best to take the dishes off using full welding PPE.😉

  6. Douglas Murray
    What the response to London’s young graffiti cleaners reveals
    7 June 2020, 2:26pm

    Further Black Lives Matter protests took place yesterday in the UK, in response to the death of a man at the hands of a Minnesota cop a fortnight ago. So far the tally from the London protest includes not only the now traditional mass-breaking of the government’s Covid guidelines, the graffiti-ing of the Cenotaph, the statues of Sir Winston Churchill and Abraham Lincoln, but also the injuring of 27 police officers in what the BBC nevertheless persists in calling ‘largely peaceful anti-racism protests’.

    Which brings to mind something important that has been too little discussed in the days since the last London protests, four days ago. That is the video – which made the rounds online and then onto some news websites – of a suggestive standoff.

    After a recent protest in Washington DC a video went around online from there of three women, who happened to be white, trying to scrub graffiti off the Lafayette Building. The video that did the rounds showed these women being berated by a passing motorist. ‘Why do you want that to come off?’ demanded the woman in the car. ‘Because this is a federal building’ said one of the women. ‘So you don’t care about black lives then?’ said the woman doing the interrogating. ‘That’s not at all what we’re saying’ one of the white women says. ‘We certainly do care about black lives.’ ‘Not enough to leave up a message’ shoots back the woman in the car, adding the removal of graffiti to the ever-lengthening list of racist acts.

    The London video was in some ways even more suggestive. It featured a number of young British people cleaning the graffiti off one of the monuments in Whitehall with their own hands. These turned out to be members of the Household Cavalry, who came around after the protests had dwindled and started to scrub the graffiti off the statue of Earl Haig on Whitehall. This was shortly after at least one other protestor had been pictured clambering over the Cenotaph (Britain’s memorial to the fallen of the two world wars).

    The Whitehall statue had been spray-painted with the letters ACAB, which apparently stands for ‘All cops are bastards’, an extension of the point the protestors had made earlier in the day when they had shouted ‘Fuck the police’ at policemen and women outside Downing Street.

    However, it was the response to the young graffiti-clearers that was most interesting. A young woman with a camera-phone was clearly looking to ‘shame’ the people cleaning the monument. Various people also taunted the young soldiers for their acts. Firstly for clearing away some of the protest banners that had been left littered around Whitehall. And secondly for daring to try to clear the graffiti. ‘Couldn’t even wait a day’ one woman taunted them. ‘Not one day. Because of their precious memorial.’

    There are several things to say here. One is that yes – the memorials on Whitehall are precious: even the one to Earl Haig. Because citizens in the United Kingdom do feel strongly about the sacrifice that previous generations made on our behalf. It isn’t a funny thing. Nor is it a shallow thing. It goes exceptionally deep. And with good reason.

    But the word here that is even more interesting than that woman’s derogatory use of the word ‘precious’ is her use of the word ‘their’. Knowingly or otherwise the woman who said this is standing on a landmine, and I suspect that the British press (like their US counterparts) knows this and that is one reason why most of them are trying to steer clear of this.

    Either the memorials to the dead of the world wars – and indeed the buildings and monuments that fill the nation’s cities – are ‘ours’, or they belong only to certain groups of people. If they are ‘theirs’ then they are not ‘yours’. Or not ‘ours’. This is not a small issue. Because as a country an awful lot of people from an awful lot of different backgrounds have expended an awful lot of energy over an awful number of decades to ensure that the thing we call ‘our country’ is indeed a collective effort. If you feel a part of it then you will contribute to it. If you do not think it is yours then yes you might feel a number of other things towards it: including (though not limited to) a desire to mock its holy places, deface these and even tear them down.

    We have heard an awful lot about racism in recent days and will doubtless hear much more in the days to come. And that is one reason why it would be good if someone could let the BLM protestors know that racial harmony is something that is built together and that racial divisiveness can come from many different directions, including from those who present themselves as opposed to it.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/What-the-response-to-London-s-young-graffiti-cleaners-reveals

      1. Any sympathy towards the cause of these lawbreaking masses has evaporated in my mind.

        1. Yep, they’re just a mob of violent thugs now. It’s time to start breaking bones. The mob are the racist thugs. This mess is their fault. They’ve shown their intolerance, violence, thuggery and criminality. It’s time to punish that behaviour.

    2. This morning the BBC was downplaying the so-called protest in London. A reporter apparently saw “a gentleman” (!) arrested for some offence or other, at which point the crowd ‘kicked off’. Therefore, the police will have to very careful how they act in future. That was the gist of the BBC’s advice.

      This is code for…vandalism is fine ‘cos our cowardly and spineless police won’t dare lay a finger on you.

      Give me strength.

    3. This morning the BBC was downplaying the so-called protest in London. A reporter apparently saw “a gentleman” (!) arrested for some offence or other, at which point the crowd ‘kicked off’. Therefore, the police will have to very careful how they act in future. That was the gist of the BBC’s advice.

      This is code for…vandalism is fine ‘cos our cowardly and spineless police won’t dare lay a finger on you.

      Give me strength.

    1. What could possibly go wrong. They could leave the law to vigilantes and have plenty of tyres and matches on hand to punish offenders.

    2. I wonder if any of them has thought this through.
      Will there be a replacement Police Department – whatever they call it? People’s Vigilantes, perhaps?
      What will stop the People’s Vigilantes behaving and acting worse than the existing PD?
      What laws might need to be amended for this?
      What training with the People’s Vigilantes have? How long will this take, who will provide it, and who will pay?
      What experience will be required to manage / lead (hah!) the People’s Vigilantes?
      If all the existing members of the PD are automatically excluded from the People’s Vigilantes, surely there will be a million lawsuits to fight?
      Is this Constitutional – both US and State?
      and this is just my immediate thoughts on seeing the headline. I’m sure I’ll have more once I have upped the caffeine levels some.

      1. The British were effectively disarmed by Blair.
        Is there a particular reason why records on Dunblane and Hamilton are under lock and key for a century? Was he encouraged to act as he did so that draconian gun laws could be introduced?
        Sadly, nowadays, I find a tin foil hat is a sensible fashion choice.

        1. I used to own handguns when I lived in the UK, ever since I was 18 I had a 9mm pistol – now owned by Firstborn. I was also the Secretary of a shooting club. Nobody I ever met wanted their firearm for self-protection, regardless of that you couldn’t get a permit for that purpose.

          1. I had a 9mm Browning and a .357 Ruger revolver, member of a shooting club. When the cop came round to the house to check my suitability and the gun cabinet I asked him what the position was regarding finding a burglar in the house and using a gun. He replied “As long as we find the burglar with a weapon in his hand (wink wink) you will be safe from prosecution” Alas I had to hand them in after Dunblane

          2. I had a 9mm Walther P38, Walther manufacture & 1941 vintage, a PPK in .32ACP, the first Ruger GP100 357MAG imported to the UK, and a Ruger Redhawk 44MAG for SWMBO. All exported to Norway, where they still reside (with more friends) in the safe.
            When I went to the police to prove to them the guns were away safely (a Customs stamp on a receipt in Norway), the firearms Sergeant congratulated me, showed some prize pistols that were to be sent to a museum, and said that this was all bull-poo, as it wouldn’t prevent any crime and would just pee off the law-abiding population.
            He was right.

        2. While we’re at it, where did Blair’s multimillons come from? I mean originally

          1. Where did Heath’s money come from?
            I don’t think there has been a British Prime minister who has had an impoverished retirement.

        3. Funny to watch programmes and films set just around 1900 or thereabouts. Dr Watson always put a revolver in his pocket before going out with Sherlock. Riley, the Ace of Spies, popped into a shop in Pall Mall with his girlfriend to buy her a pistol (no paperwork involved). Bulldog Drummond had a selection of weapons to go against Carl Peterson, from cricket bat to revolver.
          Nobody turned a hair. Even after the siege of Sydney Street, we kept our guns.
          As for “we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills;” how will that work?

          1. At the Siege of Sydney Street, I believe the police borrowed guns from civilians.

      1. Donald won’t though. He’s going to leave blue states to stew until November and let the Dems receive what’s coming.

      2. All the anti-Trump Republicans chipping in too. Colin Powell etc. It’s like the sour grapes from some Conservative MPs, angry that Cummings made things happen and they didn’t.

        1. Colin Powell has been trading on his ethnicity and ex-Army reputation for a good twenty years.
          He pops up as regularly as Heseltine to trash his former party.

          1. Mr Powell is a man that cannot pronounce his own name. It’s not Coal -in, you dummy! It’s Cawlin. (If it were Coal-in, then it would be Poe-well, wouldn’t it?)

          2. …and educated Powells pronounce it Pole.

            As educated Scots pronounce Strachan as Strawn.

          4. That also brings to mind, Dionne Warwick, who misspells Diane and mispronounces Warwick as War Wick.

    4. Given the Police Department’s failure to take effective disciplinary actions against Chauvin over past examples of excessive use of force, there is obviously a lack of leadership at the top.
      However, how much of that lack of leadership is driven by the City’s own policies?

  8. Morning, all Y’all. Hope you’re doing great today. :-))
    Two headlines from the DT made me react:
    We have a Tory government, so why is the liberal establishment still in power? by Tom Welsh. Indeed, why?
    Maddie suspect was ‘tipped off’ that British families left apartments unlocked so he could rob them By Jamie Johnson. What? The Brits left their apartments unlocked specifically so they could be burgled?? Seems unlikely…

  10. Most of us in cities and towns walk past statues every day and pay very little attention to them, the only ones that do get attention are those commemorating the people that served in the world wars, the others mostly represent figures from our long history good or bad, they are not meant to be representative of today’s values.
    I’m not sure where all this anti statue agenda evolved or what for in particular, there is obviously a political movement behind it, it seems to mean a lot to narrow minded extremists who are still in their heads fighting the battles and the indignities people suffered from hundreds of years ago and are now using it to bring about change.
    The change they want wouldn’t be voted for in a million years by the majority so it is being done bit by bit surreptitiously on the pretext of other issues.
    They have the whip hand at the moment because they have all the good people silenced through fear of being called racists.
    We all know what happens when good people do nothing.
    Idiots, extremists are totalitarians take over.

    1. “Idiots, extremists and totalitarians take over” ?

      Sounds like the wolf in sheep’s clothing…

      Boros !

    2. Well said, B3. Trying to punish today’s society for events in history is a pathetic attempt to rewrite it, which is never going to succeed.

      Goodbye law and order, hello anarchy…

      1. It has succeeded. The BBC is reporting that Edward Colston “made his fortune from slavery”. This may be true, or it may not. He was involved in many lucrative ventures. I am firmly of the view that slave trading was not very profitable for anyone other than the arabs and the slaves uncle who sold the slave in the first place.
        (I will say again, ad nauseam, that I have never seen or heard of any real economic analysis including the ROI of any aspect of the slave trade.)

    3. It’s historical revisionism.

      Rewrite the past to control the present. If you’ve no past, you don’t know who you are.

      Germany, notably has severe laws against it. As does Japan. Those nations that have practiced it – the Taliban nutters, Iranian fanatics – are all demented nutters. Imagine if someone said ‘we don’t like the Nazis, let’s pretend the holocaust didn’t happen.

      It’s absurd, isn’t it? Yet this is what these Lefty thugs are doing. They want to destroy everything that has been to re-write the present in their image. Comically, they want to make slaves of those who disagree in thought, word and action. Oh, the hypocrisy.

  11. Morning, Campers.
    Being a hardened cynic, not much surprises me. And I also issue the caveat that this is a newspaper snippet, this time from the DT.
    It concerns Madeleine McCann developments.

    “It is not uncommon for German children to be sent to live abroad with foster parents, but it requires court approval from both countries.
    A spokesman for the German Ministry of Family Affairs said last year: “Just under 900 children and adolescents are currently staying with foster families abroad.”

    Seriously? Do I ask if this is also a common practice in Blighty?

    1. There have been no developments, it’s simply time for the various police forces to think about using their holiday budgets. All of the people being investigated have been investigated before. As for the fellow claiming that ‘he knows she is dead’, I think most us decided that years ago…

    2. ‘Morning, Anne.

      I never encountered anything like that during the 16 years I lived in Germany, & I mixed with all levels of society. There are elite boarding schools – they are known as Internate.

      1. Do you know, I had to look it up. Yet another thing I’ve learnt via NOTTL:

        “‘Blighty’ is another one of those Indian words that made it into English during the days of the Raj. It comes from the Hindustani vilayati, which sounds like ‘blighty’ in many regional dialects.

        According to Hobson-Jobson, the classic dictionary of Anglo-Indian words, it was commonly used by Indians as a prefix denoting something European, British or exotic, eg bilayati baingan, ‘foreign aubergine’ (tomato), or bilayati pani, ‘European water’ (soda water).

        The original 1886 edition of Hobson-Jobson doesn’t mention the word denoting Britain, but ‘Blighty’ passed into British army slang not long afterwards. It certainly appears in soldiers’ letters during the Boer War.

        The word really caught on in the First World War. Many of the ‘Old Contemptibles’, the professional soldiers who bore the brunt of the early fighting, had served in India. It’s surely also no coincidence that ‘blighter’ was then a very popular expression meaning an irritating or distasteful person.

        It’s exactly the sort of harmless vulgarity that Tommy liked. ‘Blighty’ became hugely popular, used in advertisements, music hall songs, and even as the title of a humorous magazine for servicemen. Soldiers in the trenches hoped that if they got hit, they would “catch a Blighty one” – a non-fatal wound that would get them sent home.

        ‘Blighty’ quickly passed out of vogue. When used during the Second World War, it was generally with mild irony.”

        1. Perhaps my memory is suffering but I recall a weekly or monthly magazine back in the 1950s called Blighty Parade which I think then became just Parade.

    4. There have been no developments, it’s simply time for the various police forces to think about using their holiday budgets. All of the people being investigated have been investigated before. As for the fellow claiming that ‘he knows she is dead’, I think most us decided that years ago…

    5. I don’t know. We swapped our youngest, aged 11, for a little French girl for six months. No courts or anything. It was done via the auspices of a French organisation “en famille”. We did not discover “en famille” until it was too late to exchange the elder children as the upper age limit is eleven.
      I don’t think it will work for all children as the more introverted types probably will find it difficult.
      http://www.enfamille.com

      1. Could you swap a child for something else, for example, a cat, or a tractor? Seems like a good deal to me!

        1. Alas, no.
          A friend of mine was walking along Easter Road one evening and he met a pal coming out of the chip shop with two big carrier bags. “Hi Jim”, he said,”what have you got there?”
          Jim replied, ” fish suppers for Hibs team.”
          “Oh, said my friend,” that’s no a very a great deal.”

    5. It’s the carers’ pubic areas we need to worry about, what with giving them the clap every Thursday.

    6. It’s the carers’ pubic areas we need to worry about, what with giving them the clap every Thursday.

      1. When we left Blundell’s we were given a little pep talk about how to conduct ourselves when we went out into the world. We were told that we should not wear the Old Blundellian tie when visiting a house of ill repute and that the only people who could catch VD from a lavatory seat were the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury.

        1. Government policy, Dahlink. Don’t expect joined-up thinking. Or clamped together knees.

    11. Thanks, government, but if you know what’s good for you, you will leave my pubes well alone.

  13. George Floyd killing: thousands continue protesting across US as Minneapolis vows to dismantle police department – as it happened. 7 June 2020.

    The Minneapolis city council pledged to defund city’s police department. A veto-proof majority of the Minneapolis city council announced its intent to dismantle the city’s police department and invest in community-led public safety, a move that would mark the first concrete victory in the mounting nationwide movement to defund law enforcement agencies in the aftermath of the police killing of George Floyd. My colleague Sam Levin explains here what defunding the police might mean.

    In April 1856, 15-year old Nongqawuse revealed a vision she had experienced.

    She said that the spirits had told her that the Xhosa people should destroy their all their crops and cattle. If they did this the spirits would sweep the British into the sea and the Xhosa people would be able to replenish the granaries, and fill their kraals with more beautiful and healthier cattle.

    The Xhosa’s believed this and slaughtered all their cattle and planted no new crops.

    The resultant famine killed three quarters of the population.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/jun/07/george-floyd-protests-anti-racism-demonstrations-donald-trump-black-lives-matter-live-updates

    2. ‘Morning, Minty, we could achieve the same effects by cutting benefits to the bone – it would also stop the immigration juggernaut in its tracks.

  14. Still blowing a gale this morning – though there is no rain at present. Cold.

    1. I’m starting to think that it’s the human race that is the Earth’s worst parasite.

      1. Parts of it. Do not tar us all with the same brush. Whoops, that’s probably a racist expression now, wot wiv tar being black ‘n all, innit…

  17. The Mayor of Bristol, a person of colour, has said that the dumping of Colston’s statue into the water was an ‘iconic moment’.

    If the apparatus of law and order and government is on the side of the anarchists then we are irredeemably lost.

    The string has been untuned and the inevitable discord is now following.

    2. Good morning Richard.

      I heard a dreadful story years ago about African and Arab Embassies in Britain using servants , and not even paying them a decent wage .. The poor creatures are tied into the diplomats domestic households they are working for in complete servitude .

      2. Morning TB 😊
        If these idiots on the streets seriously belive in the ‘abolition of slavery’ they need to consider the modern perspective. I will hazard a guess and say more than
        50% of the illegal migrants who have come to the UK have ended up in some forms of modern day slavery.
        There are hundreds of three bed houses in Harrow to name one area, where 12-15 illegal migrants are crammed in.
        This is also exactly what Mugabe did in Zimbabwe he brought in Chinese business and supplied them with locally sourced slaves.

      3. Good morning Fair Lady,

        Did you see the post that damask rose posted a couple of days ago of Douglas Murray – it is well worth listening to. He makes the point that of all the countries in the world Britain did the most to stamp out slavery but cannot escape blame but on the other hand by merely avoiding arrest for the last four years of his life George Floyd was exonerated for all his former crimes.

        White people can and must never be forgiven even if they have repented and made reparations – but the past sins of black people must immediately be wiped from the slate.

        Until this sort of hypocrisy and double standards no longer flourish and are no longer encouraged the problems of tension between races will never be resolved.

        1. Floyd was a criminal and was arrested for his crimes. As part of that arrest he resisted and thus was restrained.

          As a result of his using drugs and that restraint, he died.

          Fundamentally, he was a victim of his own actions. Had he not been a criminal he would not have been arrested and he would not have died.

    3. It appears Bristol’s ambition is to become the new London. It appears to be well on its way, the primary shitehole of the West Country.
      I live approximately 28 miles from the city centre, I try to consider it more than that to my mindset stable.

    5. Morning Richard. The BBC pursues its line of tut tutting at the vandalism while secretly hugging themselves with delight!

      1. A casualty of all the luting in shops & businesses during the last few days.

          1. Smörgåsbord ist gut und schön aber auf’m Lutfisk können wir verzichten.

          2. I live in a lutfisk-free zone! I won’t let the vile stuff besmirch my Christmas!

          6. But the bacon, mushy peas, potatoes and akevitt make it all worth while. (Don’t eat the fisk!)

          7. When the rest of the family/friends tuck into lutfisk, I have fried battered cod, mashed spuds, mushy peas and parsley sauce.

    1. ‘Morning, Belle.

      You are referring to travelling in the States, of course, but not here.

      Travelling and traveling are the two spellings of the same word. … In American English, the inflected forms of travel take one l—so, traveled, traveling, traveler, etc. In varieties of English from outside the U.S., these forms take two l’s—travelled, travelling, traveller, etc.

      Travelled vs. Traveled – Grammar.com

          2. Since my vasectomy nearly 40 years ago I’ve been firing blanks, I’m happy to say.

          5. Google detects Slovenian and asks, did you mean Tov meod.

            Tov meod doesn’t translate though Tov me od translates as ‘This is me from!’

            All rather arcane.

          7. Ah, that’ll be טוב מ אוד! then. Identifying Tov me od as Hebrew in Roman letters and I get nothing but using, “Did you mean טוב מ אוד!” and it translates correctly.

            So, טוב מ אוד! to you too.

  19. Good morning all.
    Not sure if anyone has already posted this – the BBC response to the Mateless rant: My only comment (that I am posting here) concerns the claim that “which explored these issues rigorously and fairly and, crucially, with the supporting evidence.”; Now that the ‘supporting’ evidence has been shown to be outright fabrications are the BBC going to apologise to DC and their viewers for their shoddy, vindictive, lefty bias? I very much doubt it, but will not launch a complaint about their response 😃; glutton for punishment is I.

    “Thanks for registering a complaint.

    We would like to make absolutely clear that Emily Maitlis was not ‘removed’ or ‘suspended’ from the programme on 27 May, despite much speculation to the contrary. She herself has tweeted that she ‘asked for the night off’.

    The BBC must uphold the highest standards of due impartiality in its news output. We reviewed the entirety of Newsnight on Tuesday May 26th, including the opening section, and while we believe the programme contained fair, reasonable and rigorous journalism, we feel that we should have done more to make clear the introduction was a summary of the questions we would examine, with all the accompanying evidence, in the rest of the programme. As it was, we believe the introduction we broadcast did not meet our standards of due impartiality. Our staff have been reminded of the guidelines.

    Newsnight has a long-established and recognised reputation for excellent journalism, for scrutinising arguments and for holding power to account, which it does on a daily basis, including the night in question.

    Our editorial guidelines allow us to make professional judgments but not to express opinion.

    The dividing line can be fine, but we aim to say so if we think we have overstepped the mark.

    The introduction to Newsnight was intended as a summary of the issues that would be explored, with all the supporting facts and evidence, in the programme. But as broadcast, it risked giving the perception that the BBC was taking sides, and expressing an opinion, rather than being impartial.

    It said that ‘the country’ was ‘shocked the government cannot see’ Dominic Cummings broke lockdown rules; that he ‘made those who struggled to keep the rules feel like fools’.

    But there are some who do not share this opinion, nor think that the issue is a ‘scandal’ or the Prime Minister has displayed ‘blind loyalty’.

    By presenting a matter of public and political debate as if the country was unanimous in its view, we consider Newsnight risked giving the perception that the BBC was taking sides – or that the introduction constituted the presenter’s opinions, rather than a summary of the journalism which would follow, which explored these issues rigorously and fairly and, crucially, with the supporting evidence.

    This is not a question of apportioning blame to anyone.

    It is a question of accountability to our audiences.

    Our audiences hold the BBC in high trust, not least because we hold ourselves to exacting standards, and we do not want to forfeit this by ignoring our own rules.

    Thank you for taking the time to contact us.

    Kind Regards,

    BBC Complaints Team“

    2. “not least because we hold ourselves to exacting standards” choke, cough, hollow laughter!

    3. “not least because we hold ourselves to exacting standards” choke, cough, hollow laughter!

    4. “Newsnight has a long-established and recognised reputation for excellent left-biased journalism, for scrutinising arguments and for holding only right-wing power to account, which it does on a daily basis, including the night in question.”

      There, fixed it for you even though holding a sick-bag at the same time.

      1. Hi NTN, there is so much BS in the BBC’s response; expected but incredible all the same.

        “it risked giving the perception that the BBC was taking sides”

        More like it openly displayed the bias that is prevalent in everything they do. Mateless probably got a ‘talking to’ because it was too obvious, even for them.

    5. Wow! So much wriggling and squirming! One might even think the B******BC were in the wrong!

    6. Morning, Hoppy,

      “We reviewed the entirety of Newsnight on Tuesday May 26th…”

      Asking the BBC to review one of their own programmes is a bit like asking a dog to patrol a butcher’s shop or asking Polly Toynbee to criticise The Guardian. You already know the outcome before it happens.

      1. Never forget the BBC’s usual response to any kind of complaint:

        We are never wrong.

    1. It of course implies that half the babies born in the United Kingdom are now from the BAME portion of the population and the influence that is having on the make up of the country ? ?

    3. Only useful when the other stats are added in: income, marital status, housing status, employment history, number of other children.

    4. Yo sos

      I must ask it, pedanticaly

      Is it the

      Top Half

      Bottom Half

      Righ Side

      or Left Side

      of the BAMEs

      owzabout

      Half of the number of pregnant women admitted ………..

  21. My friend is a neurosurgeon at a London hospital – well, he was, he’s moved around a lot. He is frighteningly clever, truly brilliant and does great work with half his time with private patients and half for free.

    He drives a lovely car and owns a flat in London – 3 bedroom jobbie in swanky area. despite being black I’ve never known him to complain about racism. Bad teachers, poor exams, long days, endless revision, boring conferences, tight shoes, grumpy nurses – never, ever racism.

    1. Between living in Birmingham (6 years) and London (5 years) i met lots of black people. Never once was racism mentioned. These people were mostly educated and were fully integrated in society.

      It’s the poorly educated underclass that are always the problem. Black or white.

      The middle class white yobboes supporting BLM are using it as a just crusade. They need to grow up.

      1. “They need to grow up” .. The chances are that some of their parents never grew up either.

    2. The blacks are the people who will be the most sorely damaged by this ‘black lives matter’ absurdity.

      Can anyone here claim that their esteem for black people (in general rather than particular excellent black people) has gone up in the last few days?

      As is usually the case the good will be dragged down by the bad – as often happened when grammar schools were replaced by comprehensive schools.

    3. He obviously not the man who has just on ITVs Good morning.
      His lessons on racist observations covered every aspect of life. Perhaps he should consider emigration.

      1. ‘Morning, Eddy, “Perhaps he should consider emigration.”

        Or suicide. ‘Twould be one less ‘victim’.

        1. He was quite erudite, but bubblling away under the surface was a rather obvious anti white temperament.
          He covered every aspect.

          1. If people really do feel that way about whites, they should find another country to live in with no whites. I don’t understand why people continue to live somewhere they are unhappy.

            Yes, I am fully aware that none of them want to go and live in sub-saharan Africa and complaining about white racism merely allows them to not address their own failings or lack of ambition to make a success of their lives.

            I feel for those who are making a success of their lives and feel they are being lumped in with those giving all BAMEs a bad name. I think all those forms asking people to identify themselves by colour or race are a bad thing.

          2. I totally agree. I think the test of reality is they already realise if they went to attempt to suffer the ‘slings and arrows’ of Africa, they wouldn’t last a week. Let an lone earn a living. It might be interesting to find out where most black people go on holiday I suspect not Africa,

  22. A number of regular contributors to this forum have postulated that my repeated warnings of the exponential and unstoppable rise in the crass stupidity of the human species may be motivated by a misanthropic tendency or even a lack of religion on my part. If that is the case then I ask them this:

    “How on earth do you logically and sensibly explaln the current worldwide mass displays of lawlessness and wholesale disregard for the rights of others; especially the rights of those who, through years of hard work and endeavour, have built up successful businesses — businesses that positively benefit the community — only to see them completely destroyed by the mass looting and consequent destruction by hordes of uncontrolled self-possessed scum?”

    The only logical and tenable answer is stupidity. Mass stupidiy on a level never seen before. A stupidity that increases in direct proportion to the explosive rise in population levels. There is, and can be, no other rational explanation.

    These human effluent have jumped upon the flimsiest of excuses to mount a war against authority. This amounts to nothing more than a declaration of civil war and it is happening globally. The problem is that a war can only be fought if there are two sides in combat. The idiotic excuses for government, in every country, are sitting back and watching all this happening; they do not have the foggiest clue as to how to combat this uprising. The problem stems from the fact that increasingly more stupid people elect progressively more ludicrous governments that make more and more idiotic decisions. The spiral into complete anarchy is nearing completion; the clear and lucid evidence is before your eyes.

    The upcoming generation of pre-school children that this present generation of uncontrolled rabble is producing, in their millions, is watching all this and thinking that this type of human behaviour is the norm. They will never receive any tuition in decency or care for their fellow man. They will believe that shops and businesses built up by the endeavour of others are there for the taking. They will revert to being the same hunter-gatherers that came down from the trees 200,000 years ago: a circle-of-life if ever there was one. Their stunted means of communication has already reverted to grunting; what will the next stage of their devolution be?

    In another — more enlightened — age, this global uprising would have been dealt with by the swift use of lethal force; however, to take such measures requires intelligence, fortitude, courage and common sense. Unfortunately those qualities have been supplanted in the modern era by idiocy, weakness, cowardice and Common Purpose. We are being led to oblivion — to hell in a handcart for those of a more ecclesiastical mindset — and not a single individual out of 7,789,905,800 and rising … rapidly … possesses either the balls or the brains to do anything about it.

    Genuflection before the enemy is capitulation. Our ancestors knew it and acted accordingly. What a feeble and shameful excuse for descendents we have become.

    2. Nothing like this happens though stupidity, It is all planned out.
      The powers that be are making a move to remodel the world, our authorities are all in cahoots, they are letting it happen.

    3. Morning Grizzly

      It is all a mess isn’t it .

      I guess it is all about the diminished IQ of the protestors … and of course now I do hope this government will now review the overseas aid we throw away every year.

    5. There is no shortage of stupidity. This stupidity is being corralled for an evil purpose. I doubt that the organisers are as stupid as the mob.
      Please consider this. Any consensus on politics and action that can be ascertained from those on this site is wildly at odds with the views and actions of those nominally holding the strings of power.
      Furthermore does anyone on this website think that letters to our MPs, carefully considered and sensible letters promoting civilisation, go anywhere other than the waste bin? We are completely without influence or power.

      1. “We are completely without influence or power.”

        We are indeed. The only way out of this morass is to have another Peasants’ Revolt. Only this time a far better organised one with masses more manpower.

        Problem is, we have become too stupid to mount one.

    7. Comparing the current rabble to hunter-gatherers of 200,000 or even 10,000 yrs ago is at all fair to those people. The rabble is a result of modern culture and values and I think would not be welcomed by any group of hunter-gatherers.

    8. Sadly there are an awful lot of stupid people. I’ve long advocated that the franchise should be earned by both deeds and understanding. Only once you have returned some measure of value to society and are aware of the basics of government operation can you be permitted to determine how you are governed.

      At a stroke that would remove the franchise from tens of millions of welfarists, this mob of rioters and criminals and the idle, lazy and dumb.

      These people don’t want anything. They just want to destroy what other people have built. The only way to bring them to heel is to put a boot on their neck. They’ve proven they can’t be trusted to behave decently.

  23. Cowed and cowardly ministers must stop appeasing far-Left extremists . 8 June 2020.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/eb33e7859c9008a7951c0d51b5f2038206f64e5fedf482d2350b8d84f07cef84.jpg

    I admit to feeling, at points, sick to my stomach and deeply downcast at the direction in which our country has been allowed to drift: Police officers kneeling down before large and unlawfully convened gatherings, repeatedly video clips of them running away from mobs popping up on social media and time and again failing to protect some of our most cherished national monuments from attack.

    And all of this going on over several days in which nobody of Cabinet rank was prepared to stand up and be counted by saying it was wrong. Until Sunday evening, by which time furious phone calls to party whips from backbench MPs had alerted them at the stirrings of rage among Tory voters, no Conservative politician of senior rank had issued a fitting or unqualified condemnation with a promise of a strong response attached.

    That would be all of them then? The next government of the UK (assuming that there is ever another election) will be Labour.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/06/08/cowed-cowardly-ministers-must-stop-appeasing-far-left-extremists/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget

    1. Those police wimps who bent knee should be dismissed. No doubt they can paint their nails in their own homes and own time in the future. Why is the taxpayer paying for these twerps?

  24. Morning all

    SIR – My family has spent weeks in lockdown at personal cost. I wept on Saturday night as I watched the news of the demonstrations in London.

    Everything we have sacrificed has been for nothing. Who is organising it and why are the police doing nothing?

    Nicola Williams

    Cobham, Surrey

    SIR – How on earth do those who lead and support the Black Lives Matter movement think that desecration of memorials – appallingly that of Winston Churchill on the 75th anniversary of D-Day – will enamour people to their cause?

    Lives were spent so that demonstrations could take place peacefully. The protesters should remember that the memory of those who gave their lives matters too.

    Peter Williman

    Chatteris, Cambridgeshire

    SIR – The Cenotaph was daubed on Saturday.

    The right to protest, yes. The right to disrespect those who gave us that right, no.

    Stephen J Whytock

    Fleet, Hampshire

    SIR – Black lives matter. The lives lost to Covid infection-chains seeded at mass social gatherings also matter – but clearly not quite as much.

    David Capstick

    Preston, Lancashire

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    SIR – The R number for London is 0.95. The demonstrations, with no social distancing in the mass gatherings, are likely to cause it to exceed the tipping point of 1.0, and start a second wave.

    Dame Cressida Dick, the Met Commissioner, has a duty of care to all Londoners, but for whatever reason, she has not used her legal powers to stop the demonstrations.

    Alan Belk

    Leatherhead, Surrey

    SIR – What were police officers doing kneeling down to show support for demonstrators? Are they not told they are there to uphold the law, not to show support or lack of it to the cause?

    Once you put the uniform on, your personal feelings and prejudices must be left behind or you can’t police fairly.

    Paul Morley

    Skipton, North Yorkshire

    SIR – Our country must come together after the pandemic. We should not let those who would manipulate these issues drive us apart. The politicisation of race and poverty is intolerable.

    I was born, raised and worked as a vicar in Birmingham’s deprived communities – deprivation which affects all races. Too many simply want to use this to cause division and havoc, which will hurt the deprived worst.

    Canon Keith Punshon

    Thirsk, North Yorkshire

    SIR – Having watched the scenes in Whitehall, may I assume the police are unlikely to knock on my door if I have seven people in my back garden?

    Graham Beer

    Newbury, Berkshire

    1. Mr Peter Williman, “those who lead and support Black Lives Matter think…….”
      Oxymoron of the century.

        1. Not sure if it is all states in the USA but many schools have an annual ‘Black History Month’ in their curriculum. I suspect similar teachings occur in this country. Between compulsory LGBTQ, climate scam and other nonsense, little time is left for basic education.

        1. You can take the black out of the jungle but you can’t take the jungle out of the black

      3. God help us, where was this numbskull ‘educated’?

        We have people, with more intelligence, spreading this garbage and stoking resentment. This will not end until many more are killed or injured, these idiots have no idea what they want but they want it all (whatever it is).

        1. ” … where was this numbskull ‘educated’?”

          Very clearly, and very sadly, Hoppy, he wasn’t!

    3. Paul Morley, the kneeling police probably realise that their paid-for attendance at various ‘gay’ events this summer is off, so another means of some concentrated v-s has to be employed.

      What a total bluddy farce. It must surely be time for Priti Useless to call in Cressida’s Dick and remind her of her job description – which must include a forceful reminder that all sections of society are supposed to be treated equally and without fear or favour. (No doubt Grizz will provide any correction necessary.)

      1. Morning, Hugh.

        I sent a letter to the DT on Saturday but, as usual, it was binned. Here it is:

        SIR — As a retired British police officer who was proud to have been a public servant, it saddens me deeply to witness the recent abominable and unprofessional behaviour, during riots and public demonstrations, by members of what used to be a well-respected British police force. This problem can be traced to the counter-intuitive policy of recruiting graduates with a worthless third-class university degree — in some liberal subject such as social sciences or media studies — an approach that goes against age-old advice.

        The late Captain Sir Percy J Sillitoe, former chief constable and director-general of MI5, gave this timeless advice on recruitment in his 1955 autobiography, Cloak Without Dagger:

        “It does not seem to me essential that a police constable should be a man of more than average intelligence or that he is necessarily going to be a better policeman if his standard of education is higher than the next man’s.”

        The British public want, need and desire a publicly-accountable police force to patrol the streets and be effective in protecting them from the rising incidence of crime. What they do not need is a bunch of scruffily-dressed, poseur, governmental puppets genuflecting in public to rioters and looters whilst, at the same time, serially refusing to investigate the crimes that destroy their lives.

        A Grizzly B…

        2. Spot on, Grizz. I can see why it may have been binned as it is far too close to the (very unpleasant) truth.

      2. I think the rot is too deep.
        I have a feeling that the civil service, CoE, police and all other arms of government are now too decayed for anything other than a revolution to change the culture of this country.
        I can understand how a ‘Man of Destiny’ gains power.
        My poor grandchildren.

      3. Priti was speaking on TV this morning. she was speaking more like an observer then the person responsible.

  26. Dentists have let us down and let themselves down too.

    SIR – I hear moans from dentists about having only a day’s notice of opening. They say they cannot carry out routine treatment for two to three months. What have they been doing during lockdown, if not planning how to treat their patients? Why is it always the Government’s fault?

    Is it beyond reason to expect that they might open for longer hours to look after the patients for whom they claim to care?

    Sir Bernard Zissman

    Stanmore, Middlesex

    1. My dentist is up and running and has rescheduled my two appointments for the 12th June. But then he isn’t a troublemaking lefty scrote.

          1. Rhod is the best dentist i have ever had. I have had some utter bastards, particularly when at school.

            There is never any pain. He has an excellent manner. His descriptions of the treatment is clear and concise, even an idiot like me can understand.

            Unlike my previous dentist, Rhod doesn’t charge for popping a crown back in or other minor work.

            Though he is part owner of the surgery i would still go to him even if he moved to Wales/Scotland.

          2. I had a dentist like that. It was worth travelling over the border to see him – then he went private only and I gave up on a matter of principle. After all, I’d paid into the system through NICs for a quarter of a century or more.

    2. I don’t see the problem with dentists reopening at short notice.
      They must know the drill by now

    3. Racing has been working on how it can safely resume since it closed down on 17th March.

  27. Good morrow, Gentlefolk,

    Open letter to Boris and the DT:

    I feel compelled to write as, given the current situation of lawlessness, verging on anarchy and the seeming inaction of the Police or any military authority to stem that lawlessness, I beg you to shew some leadership and restore calm, peace and justice for the many of the indigenous population who now fear for their lives, property and well-being.

    The recent examples of demonstrations, using the excuse of ‘Black Lives Matter’ and the disregard of any rules and regulations regarding the Covid19 lockdown, without the much-feared 2nd wave, manifesting itself, demonstrates quite clearly that there is a significant minority who consider that the lockdown is over.

    May I suggest that you make it so, giving the economy a chance to recover under the protection of those responsible for law and order and restoring to those who voted for democratic government the security that you are leading on the first principle of Government – The Defence of the Realm.

    I am sending this to you and as an open letter to the Daily Telegraph in the hope that the reasonable population at large will back me with this plea.

    I remain, yours faithfully

    1. Black lives do NOT matter. That’s racist. Blacks are no different to any other member of the human race and dividing people up by skin colour is as divisive as it comes.

      Thus the racists must be dealt with as any intolerant mob of thugs should be. Round them up, arrest them, chain them together and fine them for criminal damage reparation which will be paid every year.

      Actually, just sell them to the state. MAKE them slaves so they start o appreciate how damned well they did have things. Make them realise just how privileged and free their lives were. If they get uppity, flog them.

      1. ‘Morning, Wibbles, that’s the reason why I have put Black Lives Matter in quotes.

        As I’ve said elsewhere, the key is to cut benefits to the bone and rigourously prosecute theft and looting – by shooting if necessary. Capital punishment (in public) for rape and murder and public birching for other criminal activity.

        Cutting the benefits will also halt the immigrant juggernaut in its tracks.

  28. ‘Morning, Peeps.

    This morning the Bigoted Broadcasting Corporation, via its Toady mouthpiece, managed to work in an item about the (alleged) rise of far-right extremism and how various movements have been proscribed. This was all in the wake of yesterday’s so-called protests (some might say ‘riots’).

    See what they did there? The trouble that arose in the course of these ‘protests’ was the fault of the right, nobody else.

    I must now take a break before my head explodes.

    1. I prefer the James Delingpole News Corporation.

      It makes a lot more sense.

  29. Is Boros secretly colluding with multi billionaire Hong Kong developers to build Hong Kong UK ?

    Is that why he “cares” about Hong Kong, and why he wants to wreck the planning system ?

  30. Sir Bernard Zissman (WTFIH?) suggests dentists work longer hours to catch up on the backlog of work – no thanks, I don’t want a tired dentist working on my gob

    1. They get 30mins between each patient to rest while the assistants restore the hygiene measures.

      1. & they spend those 30 minutes catching up on paperwork & reviewing x-rays, etc. Not exactly a rest.

        I hated having breaks, e.g. when a patient failed an appointment. It disjoints one’s rhythm.

  31. Good morning, all. The news is so bad again. I shall go and light the fire.

  32. One good thing that will come out of this mass protesting is that we will discover whether the Satan Bug still needs any form of lockdown.

    Numerous protesters will certainly catch it if the scientists are correct and pass it on to their families and friends.

    We might even get a mass extinction of the antifa and that would kill two birds with one stone.

    1. My father’s adage was: “A person who wants it both ways is always wrong.”

    2. Is Starmer to be the Judge on who may, or may not be, exhibited for public view? Are we to round up all the statues from Egypt, Classical Greece and Rome and hide them away? Slavery has been a reality for all human societies for as long back as we know. To start complaining about it now looks more like hypocrisy than enlightenment.

    3. Yes Keir. They should also demolish all the schools, almshouses, hospitals and churches that he endowed and build social housing for migrants instead.

      1. I suggested in the comments on the DT article that Bristol should be pushed into the harbour along with the statue for that exact reason. Someone replied that it was already a swamp.

    4. Why couldn’t he say something sensible like “Memorialising the past provides a warning to the present – and future of where we have come from, and where we are going to?’

      Or perhaps he’s too dumb for that.

        1. You could have left off the J and still been correct about Starmer but not the picture, of course.

  34. And now for something completely different:

    Paul McCartney got the family round the table the day of Linda’s death and announced to the family, “I’ve got good news and bad news.”

    The family says, “What’s the bad news?”

    Sir Paul replies, “Well, your Mother died this morning.”

    “So what’s the good news, then, Father?” the family asks.

    To which Paul replies, “We’re having steak for dinner tonight!”

  35. What do they mean by white entitlement ?

    I mean black entitlement seems to have been dominating our media for many many years .. All we ever hear is whining and victimhood.. is it because they are rootless, and don’t know who they are?

    2. White entitlement is where racist blacks and whites complain about their spoiled, indulged, rich decadent lives and demand other people already paying for it pay more for it while destroying the things that have given them the right to complain so bitterly and pointlessly.

    3. That’s what “black” means these days, Belle. A permanent victim. That’s why most Indians don’t call themselves black, they aren’t victims.

  36. Watching the Mail vido this morning – the headlines, I block any that annoy inside the articles – there’s a black woman police officer.

    Yes, she is comically tubby but she’s still there. Let me say that again. A Black. Woman. Police officer.

    And the scum are throwing rocks at her and kicking others. This is simply proving that some people have to live with a boot on their neck because they can’t be trusted to behave in a civil fashion.

  37. All I keep seeing on tv is wealthy black men like footballers and politicians saying that black people are disadvantaged in employment opportunities.

  38. My take on the present situation. Pat Lang. 7 June 2020.

    1. Mayor Muriel Bowser proudly stated that she “pushed the Army away from our city.” The Army she is talking about is the US ARMY and she wants it out of “her” city whether it be the Regular Army (active force) or the National Guard of the various states. It appears to be her position that in the District of Columbia the US armed forces are foreign forces. Bowser is also quite self assured in saying that she does not want to see any “exceptional” federal police presence in DC. Does she have a future referendum on “sovereignty” in mind? A city state?

    2. The antifa+ forces manipulating BLM, the happy camper crowds, Muriel Bowser et al on the left have now demonstrated the extent of their command and control capabilities. They brought the crowds in Washington right up to the fence around the WH and then had them leave notes attached to the fence as markers as to the limits of federal government power. The message is clear. “We bring violence when we wish and we turn it off when we please. This is the limit of your territorial control, this fence. We can guide the mob to you from any number of assembly areas, can guide them with free cookies, hot dogs, colored balloons. Donald Trump you are now essentially imprisoned in the WH. You can fly in and out of your prison but the streets …”

    3. The logistical capabilities of antifa+ are also impressive. They can move people around the country with ease, position pallet loads of new brick, 55 gallon new trash cans of frozen water bottles and other debris suitable for throwing on gridded patterns around cities in a well thought out distribution pattern. Who pays for this? Who plans this? Who coordinates these plans and gives “execute orders?” AVAAZ? Maybe.

    4. Antifa+ can create massive propaganda campaigns that fit their agenda. These campaigns are fully supported by the MSM and by many in the Congressional Democratic Party. The present meme of “Defund the Police” is an example. This appeared miraculously, and simultaneously across the country. I am impressed. Yesterday the frat boy type who is mayor of Minneapolis was booed out of a mass meeting of radicals in that fair city because he refused to endorse abolishing the police force. Gutting the civil police forces has long been a major goal of the far left, but now, they have the ability to create mass hysteria over it when they have an excuse.

    5. The senior civilians in DoD and the US military high command appear to no longer accept their constitutional subordination to the President of the United States. They countermanded several of his instructions recently and simply ignored others. IMO they are now de facto allies of Muriel Bowser and antifa+ in thwarting President Trump’s ability to manage the street situation in the capital of the US and in confining him to the WH grounds unless he comes and goes by helicopter. The House of Representatives want to have Esper and Milley testify this week as to their actions and attitudes. Good! I want to hear it.

    6. George Floyd. A minister in Texas eulogized him yesterday and in doing so compared him to Jesus. Really? Really? Perhaps a new religion will spring up based on his martyred sanctity. Yes. Chauvin is a brute, but George Floyd was no saint.
    Antifa+ and their globalist political allies made a lot of progress recently, a lot. The questions remain as to where the money, training in planning and logistics come from.     Pat Lang.

    For those of you unacquainted with Lang he is (as can been by his words) an American Nottler with an impressive Military, Intelligence and Academic record. His Blog is always worth reading.

    https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/

    1. Wowser, Bowser, your view of your own self-importance is off the scale.

      ‘Morning, Minty.

  39. Pain, anarchy and destruction that dishonour the memory of George Floyd, 7 June 2020.

    What cruel madness is this? It’s true that only a small minority of the demonstrators turned to violence, but by their conduct they disfigured the entire protest, whose purpose was to object to the abominable killing of George Floyd, an American black man, two weeks ago.

    In which decent moral universe is it thought reasonable to attack British police officers in retaliation for the murder of an innocent black man by a psychopathic white American policeman in a city 4,000 miles away?

    Eh!? Dishonour the memory? He was a street thug and drug addict. He was caught trying to pass fake currency. He’s been convicted of home invasion. In a decent society he would have been hanged long ago! These qualities are actually reflected in his supporters who possess the same qualities of black nihilism generated by finding themselves in a civilisation to which they have contributed nothing and where they do not belong. What prompts them is not the search for Justice but hatred of what they could never have achieved!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8397201/Protests-dishonour-memory-George-Floyd.html

    1. Dushonour the memory? In a normal world he would have just died at the hand of some other gangster and quickly forgotten. American society is violent and racist, the death of Floyd has only highlighted that.

      Now let’s shut down the police and bring in an army of luvvy social workers to patrol the streets and intervene by talking calmly the the drugged up rapist. It is like Corbyn sitting down for a cup of tea with isis murderers

  40. DT Front Page:

    Slave trader should not be ‘on a statue in Bristol or anywhere else’, says Keir Starmer

    I believe it was George Orwell who wrote a dystopian novel about an imaginary future where lies were the truth and those who wanted to control the future had to first control the past.

    1. Here is a factual comment on the DT letters page that is getting slammed. I can’t comment there as I’m not registered but others might like to.

      Bebe Bowles 8 Jun 2020 12:57PMColston
      was not a slave trader in the sense of captaining a ship; there is no
      evidence that he ever saw a slave. He was a 17th century London cloth
      merchant (born in Bristol) who invested in a company set up by King
      Charles II and his brother the Duke of York to deal in all African
      products, just as the East India Company dealt with all things Indian.
      They did not only deal in slaves, but also gold, ivory and other African
      goods – and being involved in it was seen not just as a route to wealth
      but as a sign that you’d arrived. Pepys was a member, as was John
      Locke, and other major Restoration figures; though the various officers
      of the company, of whom Colston became one, were all merchants. For a
      year he became deputy governor, but not long after he left the company;
      why, we don’t know, but since the “Glorious Revolution” the company,
      while still very profitable, was less socially acceptable because of its
      connections with James II. A connection with slavery remained; he had
      inherited a sugar processing business in Bristol from his bother, and
      kept it going until his death, He later became MP for Bristol; when he
      died childless he left his considerable wealth to the city, and to a
      number of charitable concerns within it, including the country’s oldest
      girls’ school. This made him the largest benefactor to Bristol until
      the Wills tobacco firm turned up in the 19th century.

      To
      blame him for his involvement in a trade we see as deplorable is to
      suppose him capable of thinking in 21st century terms. He lived long
      before the abolition movement; in his time no-one in the UK was speaking
      against slavery, and we have records of bishops preaching that slavery
      was a good thing, which enabled the gospel to reach benighted heathens –
      as they saw it. As a notably pious man, Colston would have followed
      the CofE’s line on the subject; in deeply religious societies, as
      England then was, few people would consider questioning anything their
      religious leaders told them. It was not until just before the end of
      his connection with the Royal African Company that the first stirring
      against slavery appeared – Quakers in Pennsylvania started to debate the
      morality of it, mainly amongst themselves. We think of the Quakers as
      condemning it – and indeed they did some 50 years later, in Colston’s
      lifetime even some of them still argued for it. Unlikely that Colston
      ever heard a word of such a debate in his social circles.

      The
      statue was a late 19th century memorial to a man who was a great
      benefactor of Bristol, and was declared a listed monument in 1977. To
      see it as a memorial to slavery is to judge the man by standards that
      did not exist in his time, and which he could not have understood – the
      fools behind this are condemning him for being born in the wrong
      century. Incidentally, a considerable number of them are Muslim, I
      believe; how do they square their religion with the fact that Mohammed
      was himself a slave trader – personally, not just as an investor who
      never saw the real truth of the trade?

      1. Sorry – not the letters page but the article

        Live

        Politics latest news: Slave trader should not be ‘on a statue in Bristol or anywhere else’, says Keir Starmer

          1. Colston even liberated women who slaved in the kitchen by inventing the dishwasher.

          3. You do have to read the user manual that comes with your product otherwise the warranty is void.However, I think if you got them from the Amazon you could return them and get your money back. ☺️

          6. I think at the time however the Rolls Razor company was into some sharp practice.

      2. Islam condones slavery after the example of the Prophet. How could it do otherwise?

      3. We should never forget the treatment of the Yazidi Women who were enslaved and sold as sex slaves, quite recently.

    2. To name a few locations, there are slavery museums in Senegal, Ghana and Zanzibar. Should these be closed as unfit to be viewed?

    3. Rewriting history is their method of control – but Orwell wrote it as satire , not a training manual.

  41. Brendan O’Neill
    Toppling Colston’s statue was an act of intolerance
    8 June 2020, 10:26am

    As they tore down the statue of the 17th-century merchant and slaver Edward Colston in Bristol yesterday, protesters were behaving like a woke Taliban. Just as Taliban extremists smashed huge carvings of Buddha that offended them, and just as Isis nutters took hammers to ‘idolatrous’ monuments in the cities of Palmyra and Nimrud, so British protesters are now waging war on historical statues that they claim are ‘hurtful’ to ordinary people.

    It was the glee with which they tore down Colston’s statue that was most unnerving. They yanked him down and started cheering and screaming as they stomped on his head. He was then taken to the nearby harbour and thrown in the Avon river. Another rousing cheer.

    It was as if evil had been defeated. As if this mere monument, this bronze entity, was a malevolent, corrupting force, and as if its disposal into the river was a liberatory moment. It really did bring to mind the wide-eyed fervour with which Isis members destroyed the first-century Lion of Al-lāt in Palmyra, again on the basis that the monument was hurtful, offensive, counter to their belief system.

    Today’s woke Taliban might describe things as ‘problematic’, while the actual Taliban and other Islamist movements prefer to call things ‘haram’, but it amounts to the same thing: ugly history and offensive representations must be destroyed.

    The Islamist mob and the PC mob both come across as Year Zero movements, devoted to cleansing public space of hateful, reviling, scurrilous material lest anyone’s soul be corrupted, or mind offended, by encountering these wicked depictions. Both are given to the policing of speech, the banning of books, and the erasure of representations of the past.

    The idea that the tearing down of Colston’s statue was a reckoning with the historic crime of slavery is especially ridiculous. Britain has had its reckoning with the horrors of slavery. The entire West has. I bet you could not find a single person in this country who thinks slavery was anything other than an abomination.

    We learn about the evils of slavery in school. There are museums devoted to the crimes of slavery. Popular culture has frequently depicted slavery in all its horror in recent years. Everyone knows how immoral slavery was. There is something deeply patronising in the idea that we all needed to witness the performative iconoclasm of the woke Taliban in Bristol yesterday in order to understand how terrible slavery is. Believe it or not, British people are not racists biting at the bit for the return of slavery.

    The question is: where will it end? Colston lavished money on Bristol. He funded alms houses, schools, hospitals. Some of these institutions are still standing. Tear them down? After all, they were built with the blood money of a slave trader.

    Of course, there is already a campaign to have a statue of Cecil Rhodes removed from Oriel College, Oxford. People are eyeing up the Westminster statue of Cromwell, persecutor of the Irish and of Catholics more broadly. Some students in Manchester are agitating against plans to erect a statue to Gandhi outside Manchester Cathedral on the basis that Gandhi expressed anti-black views. And of course there’s the great prize: Churchill. His statue in Westminster was defaced with the word ‘racist’ yesterday.

    This intolerant urge to morally cleanse the public sphere is potentially endless. It is ludicrous too. Cromwell may have done bad things to the Irish but he also faced down a tyrannical king and made England a republic. Gandhi may once have expressed racist views towards African people but he also helped to liberate India, giving rise to the largest democracy on earth. Churchill held some very questionable views and oversaw a decaying empire that was frequently cruel. But he also helped to defeat the greatest criminals in human history: the Nazis.

    Guess what? History is complex; people are complex. The effort to purify the past, to separate historical figures into categories of Good and Evil, is an infantile disorder. Our cities are living history. Public space is a patchwork of the historical events and ruptures that made our nations. When we walk through the streets we see monuments to the soldiers, political leaders, rebels and artists who made our society what it is, some of whom will have done bad, some of whom will have done good, and some of whom will have done a bit of both.

    The PC desire to sweep these representations away is immature, intolerant, undemocratic and philistine. The woke Taliban are a menace to history and reason.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/toppling-colston-s-statue-was-an-act-of-intolerance

    1. Don’t forget Edith Cavell’s statue.
      She was rather dismissive of the Germans.

      1. There’s a petition up to remove Clive of India’s statue from the Square in Shrewsbury. No doubt they’ll get their way.

    2. Shades of Pol Pot’s Khmer Rouge who insisted that the year they came to power was annotated Year Zero – nothing before existed and would be erased.

    1. The Chinese clearly don’t do irony. Replace the lighthouse with a tank and the blecks with Hong Kongees however…

    2. The Chinese clearly don’t do irony. Replace the lighthouse with a tank and the blecks with Hong Kongees however…

  44. Callous bastard that I am, I find this all incredibly funny. Bet that the Germans don’t have a word for it.

    James Kirkup
    JK Rowling and the road to terfdom
    8 June 2020, 12:17pm

    The tale of JK Rowling, finally revealed as a modern-day witch guilty of wickedness over sex and gender, is one of those stories that captures just about everything bad about this issue and about public conversation conducted via, and shaped by, social media. Rowling’s crime was to tweet that biological sex is real and should not be subordinated to the subjective concept of gender.

    ‘My life has been shaped by being female. I do not believe it’s hateful to say so,’ she wrote. ‘If sex isn’t real, there’s no same-sex attraction. ‘If sex isn’t real, the lived reality of women globally is erased.’

    Cue firestorm.

    If you haven’t seen this discussed on Twitter or another platform, just google her and pick from one of a few dozen news items published about the author and her views by media outlets around the world. This illustrates the first flaw of a Twitterised public culture. Most of those pieces of ‘news’ consist of repeating (or just reproducing) reactions on Twitter to Rowling’s own tweets on sex and transgender issues.

    Here I may sound like an old-fashioned hack, but I do remember a time when ‘news’ meant more than ‘things some people are saying’. The traditional vox pop, a report based on a few non-randomly selected remarks from a few non-randomly selected people, has always had its place in journalism, but that place was rightly low down the list of important, serious formats.

    No longer. Now though ‘some people said things on Twitter’ is news, apparently. At the same time, a lot of media executives have come to worry that people don’t value their products enough to pay for them any more. I offer no further comment on that striking coincidence.

    The second lesson of modern life played out in the degradation of the transgressor Rowling is that the world must always be divided neatly into good people and bad people. Good people are entirely good and so is everything they do. Bad people are bad, and likewise everything associated with them.

    Hence those ‘stories’ are full of people on Twitter weeping at Rowling’s betrayal and how it poisons her work and very existence. People who just loved the Harry Potter books now simply cannot bear to think of those stories now that they know their author holds opinions that differ from their own, apparently. Perhaps this surprises you. Perhaps you think: surely it’s possible to disagree with someone on one thing without presuming them evil? Can’t you dislike an artist’s stance on an issue while also seeing merit in their work? Apparently not.

    It will be no surprise if the Rowling ‘story’ soon includes ‘calls’ (from people on Twitter, obviously) for her books to be removed from libraries, withheld from children or just burned. And how did JK Rowling go from good to bad? How did the creator of one of the world’s favourite childhood stories go from being beloved and benign to the someone who is routinely (and tellingly) described on Twitter as a ‘c**t’?

    This lesson of modern life is most particular to the trans debate, though it relates to the broader Twitterisation of culture. Bad people don’t just do bad things. They have bad motives. It is impossible for someone to say something with which you disagree for decent, honest reasons. People who reach different conclusions to you are not well-meaning but mistaken. They are wrong and bad. End of.

    In the trans debate, this means that anyone who – like evil old JK – raises questions and doubts about the implications of legally recognising as female any male-born person who describes themselves as a woman is, ipso facto, a hateful transphobe. The only viable explanation for such actions is bigotry and prejudice.

    This is where the narrative of trans orthodoxy is at its most fragile, and this is one of the reasons for the relentless barrage of abuse now directed at Rowling. (The other reasons are mostly to do with the way a certain sort of person involved in this issue feels and reacts when women disagree with them and refuse to comply with their preferences.) How on earth does the priesthood of transgenderism explain to their flock that JK Rowling has become a trans-exclusionary radical feminist, one of those ‘terfs’ who it’s OK to threaten or even assault?

    I don’t know Rowling, but I suspect she would not object to being called progressive and liberal. She has given tens if not hundreds of millions of pounds to charities. She donated to Gordon Brown’s Labour party, was friendly with Barack Obama and used to work at Amnesty International (long before it embraced trans orthodoxy, I should note). She opposed Brexit. She is not, in short, someone who can be described as a social conservative. If Left and Right still mean anything, she’s on the Left.

    So are many of the women (and men) who have gone before her on the road to terfdom. Most of the feminist campaign groups and grassroots organisations that have sprung up to raise concerns about the interaction of ‘trans rights’ and women’s legal and social status are driven by women on the left of politics. Woman’s Place UK, the most prominent of those groups, was founded by lifelong trade unionists. Among their supporters in the Labour movement were several senior figures in the inner circle of Jeremy Corbyn.

    All this is awkward for the witchfinders now seeking to put the scold’s bridle on the wicked Rowling. Having explained, tirelessly, that anyone who does not repeat the catechism of transgenderism (‘Trans women are women, trans men are men, non-binary people are non-binary’) is guilty of mortal sin, they still struggle to explain where that sin originates.

    The best hope of the zealots is to suggest that the failure to embrace trans orthodoxy is somehow part of a nasty, regressive social conservative agenda driven by mysteriously powerful right-wing Americans. Look at Trump and those Republicans fixated on bathrooms! (Ignore inconvenient facts like Hillary Clinton’s refusal to say the holy words ) Remember Section 28 banning teaching about homosexuality! (Ignore the fact that sexuality and gender are different things.) The terfs are all part of the global march of regressive populists intent on unravelling progressive societies. Or something.

    And this is why JK Rowling – clever, thoughtful, nuanced JK Rowling – presents such a threat to all those people who talk about ‘terfs’ and what should happen to women who say things they don’t like. Because if you’re going to shout about the views of JK Rowling and her wickedness, you’re going to have to come up with an explanation for that wickedness, and in so doing, to ask people to reach their own conclusions.

    Here are two broad explanations for JK Rowling, and a lot of other women (and men) of progressive, liberal views challenging transgender orthodoxy by asking about its consequences for women, their rights and their security.

    The first explanation is that a lot of people who have previously been firmly on the liberal-left side of politics have – secretly – been converted to social conservatism by right-wing ultras, on this one issue alone.

    The other way to explain JK Rowling’s journey down that road to terfdom is that she is an intelligent women who has taken a careful look at the issue and decided for herself that there is nothing progressive or kind or liberal about a movement that encourages autistic children to be given untested drugs. That tells adolescents uncomfortable with their bodies that surgery brings happiness and the alternative is suicide. That tells lesbians they’re bigots if they won’t consider sex with women who have penises. That showers women (and really, it is just women) who question these things with violent and sexualised abuse.

    I don’t know JK Rowling, but I know which of those two explanations I find more plausible.

    **********************************************************************************************

    BTL:

    Finknottle • an hour ago • edited

    I believe the correct spell for this is, “Hoistus Petardo!”

    As Suzanne Moore could have told her, going along with the woke crowd for years and mouthing all the “approved” lines is no defence against the dark arts of the social justice activists. If and when you stray from the orthodoxy, they will disown you and “cancel” you without a backwards glance.

    Far better to retain your dignity by never pandering to such illiberal, woke nonsense in the first place.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/jk-rowling-and-the-road-to-terfdom

    1. “If and when you stray from the orthodoxy, they will disown you and “cancel” you without a backwards glance.”

      See Brendan O’Neill’s piece on the new Taliban.

    2. Call me contrary, but I have always considered the Harry Potter books the work of Satan.

        1. I read a couple of pages of the first one. Magic versus magic. Perhaps 200,000,000 people think that they are true stories.

    3. Well. It’s good to see that all those £millions bunged to the Labour Party haven’t gone to waste.

      My stoney heart is weeping buckets of tears. Of laughter.

    3. They used to warn them by reading The Riot Act, then all hell broke loose. They should try that again.

        2. It has, in 2018. Replaced by the Riot Compensation Act 2016. It still places a very similar duty upon the police, however.

    2. I was really worried about your sanity when I first read that, George! Then, oh that Abott…

  47. Quote of the day

    ‘Other countries have called me up and asked me if we’re the only ones with some drug against the virus or something. When I tell them, “Our country’s cultural standard levels are different to yours,” they’re left speechless. That’s the simplest way to put an end to the questions.’

    Japan’s Deputy Prime Minister Taro Aso on his country’s successful handling of the pandemic.

      1. It seems reasonably easy to emigrate to Japan. Obviously one needs to be self supporting. (£220,000) In cash assets. Stay up to 5 years and the renew the visa. Similar to Oz.

        Just rent a property on high ground !

          1. I am looking at all options at the moment. Most i can afford at a push but some like Hungary you have to learn the language. Which is not likely.

            I am reminded of the Jews that fled Germany before it was too late.

          4. Good morning, Dear One.

            You are up early!

            If you are making,
            I will have an iced coffee,
            thank you.

          8. No thank you.

            Made with FF milk, 2 shots, sugar and
            crushed ice.
            If you prevaricate for much longer I shall
            have to make it myself…….:-))

          11. I am pristine and untouched. Besides, you’d never be able to scale my pedestal. 🙂

          12. Please remember I am in isolation due to having
            caught a nasty cough..…..you made me laugh so
            much I had a severe attack of a ‘forty a day hack.’

    2. No blee…. immigrants!

      Anyone else having problems making a comment? Tried posting this 4 times before it went through.

    3. A bit closer to the source, a bit quicker to the news of it and so a bit easier to keep it out.

    1. Don’t tell me – another depiction of remote rural England in the mid 1950s in which an unusually large part of the population is, er, imported.

        2. You mean Father Brown didn’t live up to his moniker?
          Disgusting! What is the Beeb coming to?

    2. Afternoon Belle. Not having seen it for some years I recorded the Royal Shakespeare Company’s Romeo and Juliet which was on BBC Sunday evening, planning to sit down tonight and watch it at my leisure. During lunch a sudden suspicion arose out of nowhere and I turned the TV on to get a preview. Alas they were confirmed. It was Shakespeare, but not as we know it! A MultiCultiRacial cast drawn from the four corners of the earth complete with hijabs and working class accents. Who knew Verona was such a melting pot? I have erased it!

      2. The last time I went to Stratford (when the new theatre was under contruction and performances were at The Other Place) it was to see Romeo & Juliet in 2008. Juliet was black.

        1. I’ll accept (grudgingly) “blind” casting when I see a white bloke and a white woman play the roles of Porgy and Bess.

  49. MORE PROBLEMATIC SCULPTURES FOR THE LEFT TO TEAR DOWN

    With the craze for mobs tearing down monuments spreading from the US to the UK this weekend, Guido has compiled a handy list of other non-woke sculptures to smash for not befitting modern morality. Jumping on the left wing trend of posting pictures of statues you want the mob to go after next, here’s a list of more problematic sculptures…

    Cleopatra’s Needle, Victoria Embankment – not only did Cleopatra head up a slave-owning and trading society, her obelisk was actually constructed more than a thousand years before her reign by imperialist Thutmose III, who was behind the largest empire Egypt had ever seen. He led 17 campaigns, conquering lands from Sudan to northern Syria. Should we really be honouring this slaveholding, imperialist society?

    Tomb of Karl Marx, Highgate Cemetery – a giant memorial honouring a notorious antisemite, who repeatedly wrote of Jewish people as selfish creed, asking “What is the worldly basis of Judaism? Practical necessity, selfishness. What is the worldly culture of the Jew? Commerce. What is his worldly God? Money. All right! The emancipation from commerce and from money, from the practical real Judaism, would be the self-emancipation of our age.” Honouring ideas like this has no place in 21 Century Britain.

    Nelson’s Column, Trafalgar Square – Nelson was not an abolitionist. The Guardian has slated him as a “friend to slaveowners and plantation interests”.
    The Albert Memorial, Kensington Gardens – Albert served as Field Marshall of the imperialist British Army, and President of the “Society for the Extinction of the Slave Trade and for the Civilization of Africa”. Which promoted British intervention in African countries to end the slave trade globally…

    Tomb of William Wilberforce, Westminster Abbey – Wilberforce disapproved of female campaigners and opposed Catholic emancipation. As an evangelical Christian, Guido is pretty sure he wasn’t particularly progressive on LGBT rights either…

    Gandhi Statue, Parliament Square – Gandhi campaigned in favour of racial segregation, arguing that Indians as a race were superior to “savages or the Natives of Africa”. He used the racial slur ‘Kaffirs’ to refer to black Africans…

    Statue-toppling is a hard door to close once opened…

    https://order-order.com/2020/06/08/more-problematic-sculptures-for-the-left-to-tear-down/

    1. They are no better than the Taliban and ISis for their iconoclastic vandalism.

      1. I did think how well the toppling of statues fits in with their agenda. They’ll be firebombing the National Portrait Gallery next.

    3. BTL:

      Sir Andrew Neil – 44m

      Don’t forget to tear down Paddington Bear’s statue in Paddington Station. He came from “Darkest” Peru – troubling language is there ever was. It is also inappropriate to transfer an animal from its natural habitat and culturally insensitive bring it up with the the customs of a white western country.

      Wolseley – Sir Andrew Neil – 27m

      I heard that Paddington’s parents moved to Peru after the war, fleeing Germany. It goes without saying that Paddington was a secret Nazi bear and is related to the Duke of Edinburgh.

  50. Yo All

    Have a read of this.

    The Left will ignore it (Edit even though itz from the bbc)

    I n East Africa a slave trade was well established before the Europeans arrived on the scene. It was driven by the sultanates
    of the Middle East. African slaves ended up as sailors in Persia, pearl divers in the Gulf, soldiers in the Omani army and workers on the salt
    pans of Mesopotamia (modern Iraq). Many people were domestic slaves, working in rich households. Women were taken as sex slaves.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/africa/features/storyofafrica/9chapter3.shtml

      1. It’s not even that. Ingid.. dig in..what you said is simply an excuse to riot and destroy. There’s no cause here. It’s just thuggery with an excuse.

    2. Yo, Mr Good Effort.

      The Left also conveniently forget that the slave trade in the USA was driven by the Lefty Democratic Party especially under the slave-owner President, Franklin Pierce, who went to war to retain slavery. It was a Right-wing Republican (Abraham Lincoln) who fought to free the slaves.

      1. And Republicans passed the 13th,14th and 15th amendments, although a Democrat President tried to veto some.

    3. Yo, Mr Good Effort.

      The Left also conveniently forget that the slave trade in the USA was driven by the Lefty Democratic Party especially under the slave-owner President, Franklin Pierce, who went to war to retain slavery. It was a Right-wing Republican (Abraham Lincoln) who fought to free the slaves.

    4. Good grief! The BBC’ll swiftly get shot of that article.

      Can’t have the truth getting out there.

        1. The BBC will pump out enough to ensure people don’t get the ‘wrong’ idea.

    5. A bit like modern times, then. Nowadays, add building workers, taxi drivers, waiters…

      1. Many years ago, Mauritania had a purge on illegal immigrants from Senegal. However, this did not apply to Senegalese slave owned by rich Mauritanians. (Source: a retired senior civil servant in France’s Department of Labour.)

    7. White Gold: Giles Milton

      The Extraordinary Story of Thomas Pellow and North Africa’s One Million European Slaves –

      This is the forgotten story of the million white Europeans, snatched from their homes and taken in chains to the great slave markets of North Africa to be sold to the highest bidder. Ignored by their own governments, and forced to endure the harshest of conditions, very few lived to tell the tale.
      Using the firsthand testimony of a Cornish cabin boy named Thomas Pellow, Giles Milton vividly reconstructs a disturbing, little known chapter of history. Pellow was bought by the tyrannical sultan of Morocco who was const…..

  53. OK – time to take the initiative and make the ‘progressives’ choke on their own ideology.

    We have had a week of being carpet bombed with ONLY BLACK LIVES MATTER – they have now provided a very useful platform, every social media platform you have access to simply post – ‘Agreed, after all Mohammed kept black slaves’. Do not add to it and do not respond further, let the truth speak for itself.

    If we all do this by the end of the week this will be firmly be associated in people’s minds the next time they hear the slogan.

    Get cracking and spread the word.

        1. No. One can only hope that if, as is unlikely, Covid-19 did originate in a Chinese research establishment, the over broad result will help them to fine down on their genetic selection for the next lot.

    2. I wonder how many slammers were on the demonstrations. For various reasons I doubt if there were that many.

  55. Afternoon all. An interesting article which shows that the BLM narrative of blood-thirsty, racist cops is totally false, and how the reduction in effective policing has caused more young black men to die (just like over here when one Theresa May made the police scale back on Stop and Search):

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/02/04/why-black-lives-matter-has-been-bad-for-black-people/?fbclid=IwAR3VziBbd4XpIU0CaX35jjjBl29dPzXhTm8D6Kl1A4dk8-zkg7LfaQPqDtU

    It seems fairly obvious that the purpose of BLM is to stoke racial grievances and undermine the rule of law. Why does this ‘Conservative’ government allow them to get away with it?

    1. “Why does this ‘Conservative’ government allow them to get away with it?”

      i) Because it is impotent and powerless;
      ii) Because it is not Conservative.

      1. Wii) Because they’re unmitigated cowards.
        iv) and they’re not Conservatives

    2. Get out of black areas and letthem have the policing they want, there. Cant say fairer than that.

    3. Because being accused of being a racist is worse than being accused of being a murderer, rapist or paedophile.
      The last three are innocent until proven guilty, being accused of racism is guilty, full stop.

      1. But they can’t divert any of this current situation.
        The buck stops with them.
        And they are the government of the day.

      2. Very Napoleonic.
        The Scottish Government are pushing ahead with on the spot fines i.e. guilty if a policeman says so. They are pushing ahead with guilty unless proven innocent in respect of crashes involving cyclists. What next?

          1. Not yet. They came very close to it a couple of years ago. It means”we know you did it but don’t have quite enough evidence to prove it”. It may me considered a Final Written Warning in modernspeak.

      3. Quite right. We are more concerned about avoiding accusations of racism or ‘Islamophobia’ than e.g. protecting little white girls from being raped or blown up at a pop concert.

        Funny old world isn’t it?

        1. The world has become a very sick joke and is no longer remotely funny.

      4. Racism is the worst thing you can accuse a teenager of. I think some of them genuinely believe it’s worse than being a thief or a murderer.

    4. Too privileged. What does the likes of Boris know about growing up in an immigrant area? Nothing has ever shattered his illusions.

  56. Oh dear,
    Sky News 2 hours ago
    A man has been arrested after driving his car into a crowd of protesters in Seattle before shooting a demonstrator who confronted him.

    Footage from the scene shows the car appearing to accelerate towards the crowd before hitting a barricade, as people can be heard screaming “Oh God! Oh God! No! No!”.
    Protesters surround the car as it comes to a stop and a man on the driver’s side falls to the ground after what sounds like a gunshot.
    The person appears to be brandishing a gun…….
    The victim is a 27-year-old black man who is in a stable condition in hospital, according to Seattle firefighters and eyewitness video.

  57. It’s wonderful how an island nation of a little over 5 million has been able to almost return to normal after virus lockdown.
    Instead of allowing or even openly encouraging, at the very least, a small percentage of that particular population to arrive in their country, they completely shut down the borders.
    Perhaps ‘next time’ our own government might take notice of the success of the New Zealand government. And that of their much larger neighbour.

      1. ‘Twas Autumn there when it officially started and on June 21st it’ll be Winter.

      1. Well no Anne of course good planning I’d say. ☺
        But no over loaded rubber boats.
        No plane loads of eastern European fruit and veg pickers arriving on spec.
        No ‘specially selected’ Syrian refugees flown in from Greece.
        No problems with huge concentrated ethnic communities ignoring social distancing and
        mixing during lockdown.
        And the NZ government now actively discourage forgien buyers of NZ properties and land. Which of course gives potential land and property owners no excuses to be there.

  58. Politics latest news: Slave trader should not be ‘on a statue in Bristol or anywhere else’, says Keir Starmer

    By the same token then, there should be no statues (or streets named after

    Idi Amin
    Robert Mugabe
    Nelson Mandela
    RSA Black leaders
    In fact any ‘Bossman from the African Continent

    They have abused their subjects far more than the ‘slave traders’ did, as live slaves were valuable

    Take a straw poll of African Americans and ask where they would rather have been born

    1. Do you think Career Stalin means ‘on a pedestal in Bristol or anywhere else’?

        2. In the days when they wanted her sitting on Nelson’s column in Trafalgar Square.

    4. Take a straw poll……

      Most of them wouldn’t last a week in the land they all seem to appreciate so much.
      They have far too many heavy chips on their shoulders.

    5. The media is so selective with its news.
      They haven’t shown us the millions of African-Americans relocating to their ancestral homelands.

  59. The toppling of Edward Colston’s statue is not an attack on history. It is history. David Olusoga. Mon 8 Jun 2020.

    Edward Colston, the man in question, was a board member and ultimately the deputy governor of the Royal African Company. In those roles he helped to oversee the transportation into slavery of an estimated 84,000 Africans. Of them, it is believed, around 19,000 died in the stagnant bellies of the company’s slave ships during the infamous Middle Passage from the coast of Africa to the plantations of the new world. The bodies of the dead were cast into the water where they were devoured by the sharks that, over the centuries of the Atlantic slave trade, learned to seek out slave ships and follow the bloody paths of slave routes across the ocean. This is the man who, for 125 years, has been honoured by Bristol. Put literally on a pedestal in the very heart of the city. But tonight Edward Colston sleeps with the fishes.

    Here’s Olusoga; one could have put good money on his appearing to ride his favourite hobby horse. As always he abuses the transportation of the slaves without ever approaching the subject of how they actually came to be there. They were of course consigned to their fate by their fellow Africans in what was then the largest and most rewarding industry in Black Africa. The Slave Trade. It was organised and run by them and would not have been possible otherwise and they were of course by far the biggest beneficiaries of it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/08/edward-colston-statue-history-slave-trader-bristol-protest

    1. And as pointed out earlier, the Royal African Company, like the East India Company, dealt in all products, not just slaves.

      1. Yes. There was money to be made in sugar, cotton and tobacco. I really am baffled as to how anyone made money from slaves, other than the arabs and Africans who sold them. The supposition that Colston became rich from slave trading is speculation. It is likely that the trade in products was far more lucrative.

        1. Colston was a cloth manufacturer. The principal beneficiaries of the Slave Trade were Arabs and Africans.

          I would venture to suggest that those slaves, housed fed and watered in America, picking cotton or cutting sugar cane, were far better off than would have been the case had they remained in Africa.

          1. Given that they will probably either have been criminals or prisoners of raids they would have no value except as slaves and be too dangerous for release.

            They would in all likelihood have been killed.

          4. Their descendants seem in no hurry to go back to the ancestral homelands.

          5. They hope to annihilate the whites or put us into slavery where they slumber whilst whitey provides libations, peels their grapes and showers them with rose petals.

            An archaeologist explained to me the difference between the bones of African men and women. The principal difference was the wear associated in males with ‘kneeling or sitting on their haunches’.

          7. As I have said quite often recently, slaves and plantation owners would both have suffered shock. Owners would have found that, unlike themselves, slaves had no concept of work, and certainly none that involved physical labour in fields. Women worked in fields. Slaves would have had a shock in finding that they were expected to do the work they knew to be that of women.
            I doubt that they were very productive. They cost the same as a new car, but the ROI was probably nil. (I’d like to see a real investigation and analysis and not just recitation of a mantra.)
            I’ve read the Wikipedia entry for Colston. The proportion of his wealth that came from slaves is not known. I’d guess it would only be a fraction of the total which comprised profits from the company and from his personal activities including, as you say, the cotton mill. But that don’t stop the repellent BAMEs and their silly fellow travelling co-thugs from bigging it up to suit their agenda of destruction.
            No one ever does a comparison of conditions of free citizens in mills, and healthy open air work in a warm climate. I’m guessing the mills in England were described as “dark, Satanic” for a reason.

          8. Precisely so.

            It is impossible to focus on a single cloth trader from Bristol, commemorated for his great gifts to the City if Bristol without looking at the other beneficiaries of the Slave Trade.

            Some of the greatest estates and country houses in the UK were built on the profits of the importation of goods on the same ships that transported slaves. The cycle was triangular.

            Product is taken to a port in Africa and offloaded, slaves are bought or exchanged for and loaded onto the ships and then transported to the Colonies where ships are loaded again with sugar or cotton and return to Bristol.

            Colston is a tiny cog in the wheel and a good sort given his benevolence to the city he loved and helped build. These hooligans might as well go after the great estate owners who profited from the Slave Trade and kept the money. They would put the National Trust out of business for starters.

            As a Bathonian with many relatives in Bristol I am repulsed by the infantile focus on Colston, a great benefactor to the city. This vandalism must be stopped in its tracks now.

            The thugs defacing Churchill’s monument and others should study the Baedeker raids on Bath and Bristol where the historic centre of Bristol viz. Castle Street, was destroyed by a previous generation of their ilk, the Nazi book burners.

          9. Don’t give them ideas, Cori – they will start on the great houses next, when they realise. Some of my direct ancestors were cloth merchants in Bristol. These people have little idea of history.

    2. Nigerian – so from a nation that indulged in slavery – before the “imperial, racist” British stopped it.

        1. Not just those schoolgirls:

          https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12222/nigeria-genocide
          Genocide in Nigeria
          by Raymond Ibrahim

          “General Buhari is presiding over a low-grade genocide perpetrated by his Fulani Herdsmen tribe. He must be told to fish out the murderers of Rev Fathers Joseph and Felix and bring them to justice. The killings must stop. US should halt aircraft sales to Nigeria until these attacks are halted and the perpetrators convicted.” — Emmanuel Ogebe, a leading human rights lawyer in Nigeria.

          https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15116/turkey-boko-haram-weapons
          Turkey: Arming Genocide of Christians in Nigeria?

          https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13447/obama-christian-genocide-nigeria
          New Revelation: Previous US Administration Facilitated Christian Genocide in Nigeria

          Maybe he should have something to say about all this that’s happening now, in the present, before he starts comply about events hundreds of years ago.

        2. Life, particularly female life, appears to be very cheap, given the Nigerian government reaction. Tragic reading.

          1. Women are goods and chattels (and their testament is only worth one quarter of a man’s) according to the koran. Nothing else is to be expected.

        3. But the imperialist, fascists had left by then, Grizz.

          We gave them back their country – in perfect working order – only for the natives to turn into a racist, divided, corrupt living hell.

        4. Every time we drive past a large pop up car handwash setup , and wait at traffic lights watching the frantic routine of Eastern Europeans and a few blacks sploshing and splashing and gesticulating to car drivers… is that not slavery at it’s best .. How much are these people paid and where do they reside , and are they legal or illegals.. and are not their bosses slave masters?

          Are these car wash setups similar to sex businesses which we read about ?

          1. All those Vietnamese being smuggled into the UK too…where are they working?

    3. In 1833 Britain used 40% of its national budget to buy freedom for all slaves in the Empire. Britain borrowed such a large sum of money for the Slavery Abolition Act that the debt was not paid off until 2015.

      That means that living British citizens helped pay for the ending of the slave trade with their taxes.

      1. Ah, but the argument is “The slaves did not receive any compensation”. The fact is that Britain put itself into debt to buy slaves’ freedom.

    4. Yo Minty

      Codswallop

      The Routemaster Bus was invented, in the 18 Century purely for English companies to drive into the hinterland of Africa to collect slaves

      This supported a whoole infrastructure of Filling Stations, Truck Stops, Travelodges etc

      The fuel for the buses was moved to the filling stations by bowsers, also petol powered

      At no time was anyone but Honky involved in the Slave Trade

      Signed David Lammy Lammy

      of course, we now know that the invention of the ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) was kept secret for a Century

      To doubt the above explanation is totally racist

  60. If his song is true then the brilliant Jake Thackray and his Uncle Sam made a vicious attack on a statue of Sir Robert Walpole. Unlike the BLM vandals they were duly arrested and had to appear in court and construct a fantastic story to justify their action, Mind you as Jake admitted at a concert I saw him in, he used to invent characters and then make up lies and stories about them!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku5TtmODmck

  61. As the thicko bames repeatedly misunderstand and twist history – I can’t wait for them to start attacking the racist, slaver Wilberforce.

    You read it here first…

    1. Centre for Mathematical Sciences
      Wilberforce Road
      Cambridge

      Renowned throughout the world. This could be interesting.

    1. The reality of a Policeless Society as opposed to the dream. And I don’t even like the Police!

  64. Apropos the tens of thousands of wazzocks who “protested peacefully” throughout big cities in the last few days, as most of them were standing inches apart, and many did not wear proper masks, it will be interesting to see whether – within the next 14 days – there is a sudden outbreak of the plague; which would show that lifting the quarantine is to soon. On the other hand, if there are NO new cases in the next 14 days – it could suggest that the whole shebang has been pointless.

    1. On the other hand, if there are NO new cases in the next 14 days – it could suggest that the whole shebang has been pointless.

      Or over, and the virus is no longer a serious threat.

  65. I assume that demonstrations have to be notified and authorised (unless you are XR). So who put their name to this weekend’s crime-fest.

    1. Good old Oz.

      They speak as they see.

      I really cannot imagine Sky UK allowing that commentary, let alone the BBC.

  67. Why didn’t anyone ask whether, after the events of the weekend, social distancing is now a thing of the past?

      1. No, at the press conference. Perfect opportunity to make trouble, but no journalist did.

        Why not?

        1. They are all signed up to Project Fear (except when hounding that awful Brexiteer Cummings, of course).

  68. Latest breaking News, scientists on a research ship in the North Atlantic have been discovering statues stuck in the stomachs of Humpback whales, they are appealing to governments to put a 5p tax on every statue to try to save the oceans from being inundated

  69. Of course, when Covid 19 knocks over hundreds of BAME and antifa protesters it will be blamed on whitey for letting the protests go ahead.

    1. Yep your not wrong Sos.
      As everything else has ever been anything that goes wrong in some people’s lives, is and always will be, everyone else’s fault.
      Chips with everything.

  71. A colleague announced at our zoom team meeting this morning that her twenty something daughter will be selling her flat in Los Angeles and coming home to London because she’d taken part in a riot, sorry, a demonstration and it was “really scary” because she found herself facing armed police. The alternative universe these people inhabit is what scares me.

    1. It’s OK, Our Susan, the brat can go and live in Bristol. Quite safe there.

    2. So she’s coming back hoping to find our police are a soft touch when she ‘demonstrates’. Sadly, that’s probably true.

    3. There has been non stop broadcasts on just about every TV channel of police aggression towards peaceful and violent protestors. Police, national guard, and many other federal agency employees have been shown dressed in riot gear and acting aggressively.

      Anyone going out to a US demonstration has no excuse for not knowing what to expect.

      Note: left wing media terminology used but Fox News has been the same, barring any mention of peaceful demonstrations!

    4. Yo Sue

      because she found herself facing armed police. T

      She will not get that problem here. our Perlice are totally Armless, unless you

      Do not Pay TV Tax
      Are over 70 yo and try to leave your house before you die
      Try yo go to a funeral
      Try to see relatives
      etc

  73. I am very naive, as you all know. I just wonder WHO is organising these huge world wide BLM “protests”. They appear to be in virtually every English-speaking country (and woke country) – spontaneously.

    There must be organisers. Who are they?

    And on that note, I’ll leave you until another day dawns. Have a jolly evening – and DO watch the three-parter on Monaco. That’ll take your mind off Bristol…{:¬))

    A demain.

    2. Indeed, who from BLM organised the demonstration and who from the council authorised it. The protesters are long gone but the names of the officers involved must be known.

    3. World government is organising it, they are reshaping the world before our eyes.
      I don’t think the likes of us fair very highly in their plans

    5. The builders are attempting to take over Bill. What’s happening first is clearing the site and digging the foundations before Extending. 👀🍔 you get a free burger from the builders. It’s called a……..

    6. I suppose it is just possible that George Whatisname and the kneeling cop were play acting? That this was all contrived? That George is alive and well and kicking with a new identity somewhere and a now hefty bank balance? And that the cop will have his day in court and then be released, unknown to the public, with a new identity and a similarly hefty bank balance for his part in a charade? I have heard whispers that the two protagonists were known to each other, which seem to have been swiftly squashed (er, no pun intended). I do feel that something smells like a very dead rat about all this and the attendant hullabaloo. Poppiesdad would say ‘believe nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see.’

      2. My theory too.

        Of course the ‘devastated’ Democrats (sore losers) are selling out their country in order to implicate President Trump in their financed insurrection. This will backfire for the reason that Republican-run states are relatively peaceful and controlled whereas the Democrat-run states are in chaos.

    8. Wiki:

      “Funding
      Black Lives Matter have received over $100 million in funding from the Open Society Foundations, Ford Foundation and Borealis Philanthropy among others.”

  75. Given the diabolical nonstop crap news i decided to help a few businesses out. Retail therapy works !

    I also manged to snag a few freebies.

    I also complained to head office at Geoffrey Trumper about their ‘essence of lime cologne’. (it only lasts about 15 minutes).

    They offered a full refund and a load of free samples of their other colognes and parfums.

    Seeing as complaining is the new thing i thought i would give it a go. 🙂

    1. Trumper shaving soap, using a proper brush is the best I’ve ever used.

      Their products are excellent quality in my experience. I don’t use colognes any more, expensive, smelly stuuf

      1. I use Cella from Italy an almond smell and the best I have used. My preshave cream is again Italian Prorasso.I finish off with Niva After Shave Balm. Mrs N approves, and that all that matters. If i am staying at my club then I use Jermyn Street Barbers.

        1. I used to walk past them on the way to and from work. It looked luxurious. I think Trumper had an outlet there at one time, it must be 15 years since I last walked there.

          2. I pay £40 for a VIP haircut at the Turkish Barbers. Haircut, beard trim & shaping, shave with a cut-throat, eyebrow trim, nostril- & ear-hair removal, clay face mask, massage, hot towels at various stages & delicious tea.

            Man gönnt sich ja sonst nichts.

          3. Way out of my price range, different priorites.

            Do they still use cut throat razors only?

      2. I agree. The barber shop is most excellent. Shave with hot towels, Mustache trim and wax. AND…they don’t ask inane questions like ‘Day off Sir?’ or ‘What did you think of the football?’

  76. These protests have nothing to do with racism. Spiked 8 June 2020.

    The UK BLM protests are not about racial injustice. It is one thing to march ‘in solidarity’ and to demand justice. But what we are seeing here is a concerted effort to construct an all-encompassing mythology about what it means to be black in the world today – one that essentialises the black experience to be one of racism, oppression and victimisation, irrespective of any facts to the contrary. This pseudo-radical movement robs people of their agency and manipulates the goodwill of others.

    The attempt by these protesters to compare race relations in America to those in Britain is ridiculous and insulting. The two countries have vastly different histories and contexts. There is of course a history of racism here, but Britain today is a very different place to that of 30 or 40 years ago.

    The goodwill and naivety of many is being exploited to push a toxic agenda. An agenda that, if taken to its logical conclusion, would produce a new form of racial prejudice. As we’ve seen, groups of white people at protests are kneeling, apologising and begging for forgiveness for actions they did not commit, in a depressing display of self-flagellation and white guilt. It’s embarrassing. And it does absolutely nothing to move society forward. No ideas or policies are being offered – there is just virtue-signalling, power games and a pathetic spectacle that will only breed resentment and lead to a further descent into social disorientation.

    Yes that’s right. We had already figured it out here on Nottl but well done!

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/06/08/these-protests-have-nothing-to-do-with-racism/

    1. “a new form of racial prejudice”
      He’s bowing to the old blacks-can’t-be-racist nonsense. In the mid-80s, I saw a magazine on sale in London with the headline “Are white people inherently evil?” There is nothing new about anti-white racism.

    2. “There is of course a history of racism here…” Is there? Really?
      Or is this phrase inserted to soften the blow? To concede on the one hand in order to make opposition on the other more acceptable? A form of ingratiating argument, by someone too pusillanimous to speak boldly and truly?
      Let’s see this racism. Prove it!

      1. It just is, Horace. They don’t need any justification and certainly not any proof that they are wrong!

  77. Thunderstorm overhead here.
    The electicity cuts out, the internet vanishes and as for satellite TV, forget it.

    1. Vive la France.

      Toy Boy promised that such things would be in the past.

    2. The worst thing is when the electricity supply goes off, then on, then off again at 3 second intervals for a minute or so. Really bad for appliances particularly fridges, freezers and computers (but not laptops which are battery supported).

      1. Agreed.
        But don’t be too sanguine, unless you have a surge protector, one of those flashes could blow out your PC.

        1. That can happen even WITH a surge protector. But not just a PC, any appliance connected to the mains supply is vulnerable.

          1. Judging by how quickly my main fuseboard kicks out I’m hopeful we’ll be OK.

  78. Down, down, down, goes my estimation of Johnson and his Cabinet:

    On Saturday, the precise anniversary of D-Day, the statue of Sir Winston Churchill in Parliament Square was defaced with graffiti.

    It had also been defaced a few days earlier, and it was defaced again on Sunday when the word “racist” was sprayed across it. On the same day, someone climbed the Cenotaph around the corner in Whitehall and attempted to burn the Union Flag decorating it.

    So what extraordinary powerful force was it that was able to cut through Britain’s defences to perpetrate these extraordinary and repeated insults to the greatest generation of Britons, the ones who stood alone against Nazi Germany and then played a leading role in its defeat? And which supine bunch of left-wing politicians formed the Government that allowed it to happen?

    Well, extraordinarily, the force was just a rabble of assorted leftist agitators, student activists and yobs out for a ruck. And the Government was a Conservative one, led by somebody who claims Churchill as his hero and guiding light.

    To say that millions of decent people up and down the country are deeply disappointed with the conduct over recent days of the Prime Minister, his Cabinet and the public authorities in general is a major understatement.

    I admit to feeling, at points, sick to my stomach and deeply downcast at the direction in which our country has been allowed to drift: Police officers kneeling down before large and unlawfully convened gatherings, repeatedly video clips of them running away from mobs popping up on social media and time and again failing to protect some of our most cherished national monuments from attack.

    And all of this going on over several days in which nobody of Cabinet rank was prepared to stand up and be counted by saying it was wrong. Until Sunday evening, by which time furious phone calls to party whips from backbench MPs had alerted them at the stirrings of rage among Tory voters, no Conservative politician of senior rank had issued a fitting or unqualified condemnation with a promise of a strong response attached.

    Boris Johnson #StayAlert
    ✔
    @BorisJohnson
    People have a right to protest peacefully & while observing social distancing but they have no right to attack the police. These demonstrations have been subverted by thuggery – and they are a betrayal of the cause they purport to serve. Those responsible will be held to account.

    Indeed, the only record of a Government minister taking issue with the far-Left bilge being spouted about how being black in Britain amounted to a death sentence that I can find came in the Commons in a spontaneous response from the junior minister Kemi Badenoch. As a black woman herself, she showed enough gumption and patriotism to tell an array of leftist MPs that Britain was one of the best countries in the world in which to be black. Her elevation to the Cabinet cannot come soon enough.

    For what a miserable, cowed and cowardly bunch they have been. One supposes they were put under orders to stay low profile by an incompetent Downing Street machine infested with politically correct thinking.

    In a climate when all major national television news channels have been acting as public relations officers for the Black Lives Matter campaign – a very clever name by the way as it carries the false implication that anyone opposed to its extreme agenda thinks that they don’t – the senior reaches of the Government have gone along with it.

    That included for most of the week Priti Patel, a Home Secretary in whom many of us vested high hopes and Boris Johnson himself, who now risks being seen as having had the stuffing knocked out of him. Our Bagpuss premier: saggy, baggy and a bit loose at the seams. Not a Churchill at all, more a reincarnation of Willie Whitelaw.

    The killing of a black man by a police officer in America – an incident for which the due process of the law is leading to a major criminal trial for murder – has led to the British Government and the British police making the terrible mistake of legitimising the kind of political militancy that rips societies apart.

    Demonstrations making a mockery of social distancing have been allowed and even actively supported, the useless old philosophy of “softly softly” policing decreed that zero tolerance to criminality should not apply in this case because it might lead to serious disorder (translation: if we let the mob know it can do what it likes perhaps it will behave better) and rather than making the brave and true case of Ms Badenoch, ministers have in appeasement gone along with the lie that Britain is some terribly racist country in which black people are systematically oppressed.

    I was particularly struck by a comment posted onto my Twitter feed yesterday by one follower: “The Tory Party will always (eventually) follow the left on the culture war, because it has no counter-narrative of its own.”

    I hope that is not true. But after the disgusting events of the weekend it seems to be true. It is not enough for Mr Johnson belatedly to condemn thuggery after its third iteration within a week. He must now produce that courageous counter-narrative about how Britain, more than almost any other country, has produced initiative after initiative to enhance the lives of citizens from ethnic minority backgrounds. How anti-racism is now an almost universal British value and – more controversially – how most of the things that prevent young people from minorities from fulfilling their potential are to be found in belief systems and practices upheld within their communities, not imposed from outside.

    The truth is that the extremists of Black Lives Matters are actually the new Powellites – the faction that seems determined to prove the old doomster right by preventing the maturation of a happy and well-functioning multiracial society, instead relentlessly advancing the cultural Marxist view that “whiteness” is inherently an oppressive force that needs to be marginalised and apologised for.

    Most of Britain knows it to be nonsense, including by the way the vast majority of working class ex-Labour voters in those “Red Wall” seats won by the Tories in December and most black Britons too. Like most of the rest of us, they revere this country and are filled with pride, gratitude and sorrow every Remembrance Sunday.

    If Boris Johnson permits the acts of desecration that have occurred these past few days ever to occur again then he is toast. And he will deserve to be.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/06/08/cowed-cowardly-ministers-must-stop-appeasing-far-left-extremists/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

    1. Just imagine, what would have happend to Honkie, if he had posted a Bacon buttie to a Mosque

    2. “Our Bagpuss premier: saggy, baggy and a bit loose at the seams. Not a Churchill at all, more a reincarnation of Willie Whitelaw.”

      1. More a reincarnation of an old. cast-off slipper. Never mind Willie Whitelaw.

        1. Cumbrians fondly called him Waffling Willie. As far as I remember he had a good war record.

          1. Thought of you earlier. Watched grand designs. A chap built his own house in his factory and prewired the whole place and carpeted etc. When completed in the factory was built in 21 days. This was 11 years ago. It didn’t save his firm but was a prototype and it worked. Fascinating.

    3. It’s all a plot to stay in the EU.

      You pay us money, we’ll supply the French CRS.

    1. Why isn’t she at home with the other three wives? And WHY isn’t she in a burkha?

      Just asking.

    2. Social distancing means you can text in the House without someone looking over your shoulder.

      1. Loading the trailers, of course.

        I thought you were a lawyer and could work these things out…

    2. I wish a few of our farmers could have taken their muck spreaders to Bristol.

      Even the virtue-signalling whites would have ended up brown.

      1. Half-caste wazzock. Wonder what his white mother thinks about his rabid anti-white racism?

          2. Why do all half-castes (when asked) default to being black and never (off-)white?

            Is the black gene so dominant?

          5. Because they look more black than not. II read that apparently Me-again tried to pass herself off as Caucasian in an early CV.

          6. Career reasons. They are always looking for stereotypes. She admitted that she was not white enough for white roles and not black enough for black roles.

            I hate the way the mainstream can’t accept the existence of mixed race people. They always have to be typecast as “black”. Obama is a prime example – implicitly denying his white heritage, when as someone pointed out, everything good that he got in his life came from the white side of his family. His brother Joe is cleverer than Barak.

      2. He’s a lousy historian, choosing only what he wants to believe or to make others believe.
        The fact remains that slavery has always been rife throughout history, in all parts of the world.
        The fact remains it was the British who abolished it first in this country and the colonies.
        If he doesn’t like the fact that the slaves’ freedom was bought by the taxpayers, would he rather they all remained as slaves?
        He’d rather demonise the British for this act than the Arab slave traders and the Africans who sold the people.

        1. The British are an easy target.

          He should try doing what he does here, in Saudi Arabia, but about the big Mo and his slaves.

          His head would be lopped from his shoulders.

    2. Yep. Also, sixty years of the Royal Navy Preventive Squadron patrolling from West Africa to the East Indies. 17,000 British sailors died in this service freeing around 150,000 Africans. Then there’s the financial cost of paying for it.
      Oh, there was also some risk of ending up at war with the countries whose flags flew over the slave ships that we boarded.

      “Sweet Water and Bitter” by Sian Rees tells the story.

  83. Nigel Farage baffled by lack of media criticism for clashes at protests. 7 June 2020, 11:51.

    Nigel Farage was speaking ahead of protests scheduled to take place in front of the US Embassy in London this afternoon. He pointed out his dismay at the lack of coverage of police clashes in the media on Saturday evening.

    He claimed that the media seemed “to be so uncritical of what happened in London yesterday” by ignoring violence which was seen after demonstrations. “I wonder where our Prime Minister is in all of this” he said, after the public called for comment from Boris Johnson to no avail.

    Much as I admire Nigel for what he has done for us with Brexit I think there are some aspects of his character that bar him from true greatness. He is in some respects incredibly naïve. He is certainly blind to others faults, as in choosing deputies, and does actually seem to believe that the Cross Channel Traffic is organised by “Criminal Gangs” and that the Government is doing its best to track them down. Here he fails to spot the most essential political truth of our times, that the MSM are not neutral observers of events but inventors of them and where necessary ensure that they are not reported.

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nigel-farage/lack-of-media-coverage-of-violent-protesters/

      1. It doesn’t seem to be very good. The boat it was attacking was still there…

      2. Not very good shots.

        Can’t even puncture a rubber boat.

        People smugglers are safe.

        1. They were only warning shots.⚠️
          No illegal immigrants were harmed during the making of this video.🚤

      3. “Good morning, Seaman Washington M’Bongo! We’d like you to take the rib out today.”

    2. I think he knows it, but he thinks (probably correctly) that he would be pilloried as a fantasist in the MSM if he said what we know to be true.

  85. Our local neighbourhood blog is showing that lots oF people in the area are not receiving their post. Someone went to the local “delivery” office and received a stack of letters. The reason given was that so many staff were off self isolating.

    I would have thought that postmen have less human contact than most.

      1. Our postie has been here every day that the GPO allows. No delays in anything.

        A smashing chap – who came three days running in fancy dress – to raise funds for breast cancer.

  86. BBC denies ‘softening’ Black Lives Matter protest picture

    The corporation has been accused of cutting out scenes of violence from coverage of the protests

    The BBC has denied underplaying the level of violence during the Black Lives Matter protests after an image of a man threatening police officers was apparently cut out of the corporation’s coverage.

    Social media users pointed out yesterday that a picture taken during London’s demonstrations had been cropped to remove a man apparently brandishing a large piece of wood at a line of police.

    It came as the BBC came under criticism for an online story initially headlined: “27 police officers injured during largely peaceful protests anti-racism protests in London”.

    The story was later changed to: ‘George Floyd: London anti-racism protests leave 27 officers hurt’.

    Among the critics of the original headline were former UKIP leader and Brexit Party founder Nigel Farage, who said on Twitter: “Typical of the BBC, this is why the public are turning away from them.”

    Patrick O’Flynn, the former MEP, added: “How can an event that has left 27 police officers injured merit the description ‘largely peaceful’?”

    Colin Sutton, a former senior investigating officer at the Metropolitan Police, accused the BBC of “chicanery” after an image of the violence was apparently altered.

    https://twitter.com/colinsutton/status/1269686973616271362
    A picture on the BBC London website originally showed a line of police officers holding back a surging crowd with the caption: “The disturbances took place outside of Downing Street after a largely peaceful protest”.

    However, the original image uncovered by social media users showed that it had been edited down to cut out a masked man waving a large piece of wood at the officers. After receiving complaints, the cropped picture was later changed.

    “The BBC have now admitted their chicanery by replacing the image with the uncropped original,” Mr Sutton said.

    A BBC spokesperson said: “This image was published in full yesterday on the national section of the BBC website. However, the BBC London news section briefly displayed a cropped version and once the editorial team realised this had fundamentally changed the context of the image they corrected their mistake to show it in full.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/08/bbc-denies-softening-black-lives-matter-protest-picture

    3. Never trust this shower of a leftie, bigoted broadcaster. Remember Panorama, when a bunch of leftie activist NHS were put up to complain about PPE shortages and have a go at the government at thr same time? Not to be trusted, ever.

  87. Just got e-mail from James Delingpole:

    James Delingpole

    Black Lives Matter: Where Are All the Grown Ups?

    The thing I find most depressing about the weekend’s BLM riots in London, Bristol and elsewhere is just how many useful idiots went at least half way towards justifying them. Even Conservative ministers, even the Mail on Sunday, even sound-as-a-pound commentators like Allison Pearson who somehow thought it was OK to tear down a bronze statue, part of the fabric of Bristol’s built heritage, because he was a slave trader…

    No this shit is not OK. It’s a war on Western Civilisation. I don’t expect kids with unformed frontal lobes and degrees in Woke Studies to understand this yet. But the grown ups in the room should.

    Except, where exactly are these grown ups?

    Here is my hot take for Breitbart.

    Includes pleasing swipe at that bloody annoying girl historian the BBC uses, mainly, I think because she’s a girl…

    1. Good night Peddy. After a busy day I shall now watch an episode of LEWIS and then off to bed at around midnight.

  89. ADAMST13 and susceptbility to COVID-19 thrombolytic events in the microvasculature

    In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, I postulated that because members of the BAME community had a predispostion to a reduced genetically inherited expression of ADAMST13 then this would account for the disproportionately higher number of cases of systemic thrombolytic events arising from COVID-19 infection particularly in the black and asian races.

    I discovered a recent article that challenged my assertion by suggesting that COVID-19, instead, induced endotheliitis which could also account for predisposed morbid outcomes in males.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30937-5/fulltext

    Whichever explanation is nearer the truth it doesn’t change the fact that the male of our species and those who are of BAME are going to suffer more from COVID-19 adverse outcomes than the rest of us because of their genetic susceptibility.

    Here’s the lowdown on ADAMST13 so you can make your own mind up if males and BAMES are deliberately being targeted by the PTB or alternatively by the novel coronovirus:

    https://youtu.be/exuOjvdlzVE

    1. There are some women who cannot take “NO” for an answer.

      We’ve had the debate and you didn’t demand before or during the debate. Job’s done – The End.

      Oh, and don’t take it upon yourselves to think that you speak for ALL women. You are just two air-heads.

  92. I have seen a Newsflash, on Gollux.com, that the Perlice in Leicestershire and the Met are going on strike,
    as a protest that, because of a possible suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, their annual all expenses
    paid holidays to Portugal will be in Jeopardy*

    *Jeopardy is a commuter town on the edge of Lunnon.

    There are lots of jobs in Jeopardy, and the number will increase because of Covid

    2. His quoted opinions are generally reasonable and held by many Nottlanders.

    4. Don’t overlook the fact that he is making anti-Uni remarks to justify the launch of his business, an agency which matches students to apprenticeship schemes. I fully support apprenticeships and know many examples of people who undertook engineering apprenticeships instead of further education at a ‘university’ who now occupy very senior positions on their career path. But don’t lose sight of young Blair’s motivation here.

    5. Next, he’ll admit that his father was the worst thing that ever happened to Britain.

    6. The poor lad loooks like he’s been living with the thought “my dad was a complete fraudster” weighing him down.

  95. Evening, everyone. The BLM protesters may well do us an unexpected favour; if there is no massive spike in infections, then lockdown must be ended because any justification for the 6′ rule has been well and truly destroyed.

    1. Or better still, a whole load of SJWs and Bames will have self immolated as a result of deifying a career criminal..

      1. Except that I am of the opinion that lockdown was a grave (sorry about that!) error and we’d have been better off carrying on as normal and relying on herd immunity. Shame about the BAMEs, but that’s genetics for you.

          1. Indeed. I sincerely hope that there is a negligible bounce in cases. I long for the day I can untack my horse instead of handing it over to the groom and I can go racing again.

        2. The Swedes are rethinking their herd strategy and now consider there could be some merit in behaving some of the time like couch potatoes to avoid going from the frying pan into the fire.

  96. Smithsonian Channel
    West African anti-slavery patrols save 150,000 blacks from transportation,the ships are then transfered to East Africa to shut down the vast trade to the Middle East out of the Sultanates of Zanzibar and Mombasa
    Damn those evil whiteys
    Edit
    This info was just an aside by a black historian in a programme about cruisers,maybe the race-baiters at the Guardian could study a little real history……………….
    No,thought not

  97. Q; Hillary Clinton and Cherie Blair are both lawyers married to the top political leaders of their nations for 8 and 10 years, respectively. Anything else they have in common.

    A: An unusually deep, deep, love of money.

    2. Ferrari? I’m not defending Hamilton on this but at least get his team right!

        1. There aren’t too many facts in the statement, but which ones are wrong?

          2. That’s a moot point. Too late for discussion now. Nevertheless Hamilton is one of the best F1 racists we have ever produced! Good night!

      1. More significant, he is a tax exile. Perhaps he should be reminded of his status before he starts berating British society.

    4. Hamilton is nothing more than a spoilt brat with a massive chip on his shoulder. cannot stand him.

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