Monday 8 November: The learned art of cancelling donors’ names but keeping their cash

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    1. Sounds a better plan for a Monday than mine.
      Work, and zoom meeting with the SS about Mother’s future. Sigh

        2. Did you stutter with your feet, Minty?
          Gives you an opportunity to make up wild stories about Elton’s hissy fit, or that runaway horse… ;-))

          1. There was a non-existent moment between tripping and lying face down on the pavement.

    3. Oooh, commiserations. Only ever had a black eye once. It was the result of my attempt to assemble some Ikea furniture. Got so tired of telling the dreary tale at work that I resorted to, “They’re really cruel in my department, they beat me up”. No-one believed that of course but nor did they press me further!

  5. Press attacks make Polish nationalists look like Putin. Denis MacShane. 8 November 2021.

    The nationalists have also launched a systematic, enduring assault on press freedom, using the time-honoured methods of trying to block non-Polish ownership of the media, allocating government advertising to pro-regime papers, getting business executives who support the ruling Law and Justice party to take over papers, firing independent journalists from public broadcasters and using regional government to deny support to local papers that do not toe the nationalist-clericalist line.

    It’s difficult to see why anyone would support Foreign Ownership of their media except for the most dubious motives and reasons. The truth here is that it has escaped neither Putin nor the leaders of the Visigrad States that foreign ownership of the MSM in the West has been used for nefarious purposes against both the policies and the people of the countries that have allowed it!

    https://www.ft.com/content/c15e93ab-67a5-452b-aed9-50f2ef947e54

    2. And posted on Going Postal with the full text of the letter:-
      Denis McShane bumping his arse cheeks in the FT letters page with a two part Tw@ter response:-

      Please use the sharing tools found via the share button at the top or side of articles. Copying articles to share with others is a breach of FT.com T&Cs and Copyright Policy. Email licensing@ft.com to buy additional rights. Subscribers may share up to 10 or 20 articles per month using the gift article service. More information can be found at https://www.ft.com/tour.
      https://www.ft.com/content/c15e93ab-67a5-452b-aed9-50f2ef947e54

      The nationalists currently in power in Poland are doing more than placing the judiciary under political control. This is upsetting the EU though Slawomir Sierakowski is surely right that Brussels is unlikely to put effective pressure on Warsaw (“Poland shows disdain for the rule of law”, Opinion, November 5).

      The nationalists have also launched a systematic, enduring assault on press freedom, using the time-honoured methods of trying to block non-Polish ownership of the media, allocating government advertising to pro-regime papers, getting business executives who support the ruling Law and Justice party to take over papers, firing independent journalists from public broadcasters and using regional government to deny support to local papers that do not toe the nationalist-clericalist line.

      Nearly every European and American organisation that takes an interest in media freedom has produced reports on how the nation of Ryszard Kapuscinski and Adam Michnik now has a government that shares the views of Vladimir Putin on press freedom and an independent judiciary

      Denis MacShane
      Former President, UK and Ireland National Union of Journalists
      London SW1, UK

      https://twitter.com/BeardedBob7282/status/1457629744195907585

        1. As I understand it, the arrival of the Normans certainly needled Harold (so to speak)…..

          7. Wasn’t there a riddle about what William the Conqueror and Jeremy Thorpe had in common?

        2. Is there something a little Potty about this Topic.

          I do not know the names of many of the posers, however, there 93 dicks

          https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=AOaemvJWV0dNeBV-1Fd26yaros_NSRTnqQ:1636358403032&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=Man+on+Potty+in+Bayeux+Tapestry&client=firefox-b-d&fir=x5zvhISnkxg-pM%252CDM8SIl9dfcg9eM%252C_%253BPfJoS2ZYsA-C7M%252CrqwEuG022a4fjM%252C_%253BiW5YbU5fzTBTbM%252CwhyIK81cVW_TBM%252C_%253B7w9IGRCH3MNqUM%252CDM8SIl9dfcg9eM%252C_%253B8Iif7pRK-xIBPM%252CDM8SIl9dfcg9eM%252C_%253B1BuTfwGDZo4haM%252C-HTMtcVnR4S3IM%252C_%253BJjm1Uo6SR79bRM%252CrqwEuG022a4fjM%252C_%253Big4c-lLeOmX_TM%252CbYNqtLwjx6p9vM%252C_%253BOdtUPRk9M2lGsM%252CDM8SIl9dfcg9eM%252C_%253BpQLFtKFQYTSh0M%252CbYNqtLwjx6p9vM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kTxH90-J8kxSIawv9xwzvXl9zj_lw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNydmKpoj0AhWFiVwKHY1dAzYQ7Al6BAgFEBI&biw=1366&bih=768&dpr=1

  7. Morning, all Y’all.
    Too dark to see the weather, but not raining (for the moment).

  8. ‘COP26 is a neo-feudal performance’. Spiked 8 November 2021.

    Michael Shellenberger The elites are completely delusional. Emissions have declined by 26 per cent in Europe and 22 per cent in the US since 2005, thanks to the transition from coal to gas. Meanwhile, there is a global-energy crisis because of the renewables the climate activists have pushed for.

    At the same time, they have gathered all of the world’s douchebags in a single conference, flying them in on 400 private jets. You have to ask, are they really that tone deaf? Is this a kind of performance – are they performing their superiority in some neo-feudal way? Remember, feudalism was full of pageantry. There’s so much pageantry here – the self-celebration, the narcissism and the histrionics.

    I couldn’t have put it any better myself. Lol! Cop26 and the Climate Change agenda has simply been co-opted by the Elites and the Globalists as a vehicle for their policies. The poor, and this should never be forgotten, are to pay for all this on their descent to absolute serfdom!

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/11/08/cop26-is-a-neo-feudal-performance/

    2. “What’s really being presented in Glasgow is lethal carbon-imperialism. Thousands of glitterati flew in on private jets, joining some 25,000 politicians, climateers, bureaucrats and activist journalists. They’re telling the world, “We don’t do sacrifice. We impose sacrifice on you commoners.”

      But even the International Energy Agency recognizes that any “transition” from “dangerous” fossil fuels to “clean, sustainable, renewable” energy will require unprecedented amounts of metals, minerals and other materials. Electric cars need three times more copper than gasoline-powered vehicles. Onshore wind turbines 9 times more materials per megawatt than gas-fired co-generating plants, including copper, iron, lithium, cobalt, rare earths and concrete; offshore turbines need 14 times more materials. That means far more mining, processing, manufacturing, waste disposal and habitat destruction than ever in history.

      But climate fanatics hobnobbing in Glasgow, blocking DC roadways, storming federal buildings or planning to sabotage pipelines are not about to allow more mining, processing or manufacturing in the United States, Europe or most other modern countries. They’ve made even major copper-cobalt-nickel deposits (essential Green New Deal materials) in Alaska and Minnesota off limits.

      They demand that these activities take place somewhere else – mostly in China or via Chinese-owned operations in Africa, Asia and Latin America … often with child and slave labor … under minimal to nonexistent pollution, workplace safety, fair wage, fair trade, mined land reclamation, and other laws, ethical standards and human dignity guidelines. It’s also a path to environmental and economic disaster.”

      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/11/07/lethal-carbon-imperialism-in-glasgow-and-dc/

      1. Thanks Stephen. This is from one of my favourite websites, although I had missed it until now.

      2. 340341+ up ticks,

        Morning S,
        The overriding factor is the political wonga miners on a great many issues, backed by the regular fools are doing the damage.

      3. Morning Stephen – I recently had my broadband input connection moved from an upstairs room to downstairs. The input connection cable was about 6 foot longer than necessary and was cut back to the desired length. When finishing up the technician started cutting up the excess cable into neat short lengths and put the pieces into a small polythene bag. I offered to put them into my waste bin. He said he was taking the cuttings back to retrieve the copper in the cable. Copper seems to be a valuable commodity these days.

        1. ‘Copper seems to be a valuable commodity these days’.

          Possibly the reason for so many signal failures and train crashes. Of course ‘they’ can’t admit this because a protected group is doing the damage.

      4. Yo All

        I find it disgusting that a whole set of world climate wreckers have been overlooked, prolly on here, because they came fron Narfaulk

        Thomas Coke, of Holkham Hall was a big wheel in the Agricultural Revoluition, where by land was managed to produce more food
        More food = more people surviving
        More survivors = the Overpopulation of the entire Universe

        The methods were slow in reaching America, hence the Dust Bowls, where food can no longer be grown

        Let us knock Holkham Hall Down, ban tractors, melt down ploughs and turn the metal into EV’s

        We must have equality of blame, Global Warming is not all down to engineers and scientists

        Removes Tongue from cheek

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Agricultural_Revolution

    3. 341034+ up ticks,

      Morning AS,

      Heralding the 9 day week, for the weak in the head, why anyone would even consider supporting / voting for
      regular orchestrated torture is beyond my ken.

  9. Guid Moaning.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/07/scottish-nightclub-sidesteps-vaccine-passport-rules-placing/

    “Scottish nightclubs sidestep vaccine passport rules by putting furniture on dance floors

    Nightlife has struggled in Scotland since measures were introduced, with many 18 to 29-year-olds still unvaccinated

    7 November 2021 • 8:08pm

    Scottish nightclubs are successfully evading the SNP’s vaccine passport rules by putting furniture on their dance floors, leading to claims that the scheme has descended into “a shambolic mess”.

    Lulu, a major nightclub in Edinburgh, has begun marketing itself to unvaccinated Scots by advertising the fact that door staff will not be carrying out checks on whether customers have been jabbed.

    Nightclubs and other venues, such as stadiums and concert venues hosting major events, have been legally obliged to check customers’ vaccination records in Scotland since last month.

    However, despite describing itself as “Edinburgh’s best nightclub” and being open until 3am, Lulu said it technically no longer qualified as a nightclub under Scottish government rules because it had placed seats on its dance floor.

    ‘A mess of a scheme’

    In several social media posts promoting the changes, introduced at the weekend, the venue boasted that “normal service” had resumed and added: “You don’t need [a] vaccine passport to party with us.”

    Under the legal definition, only venues with a space “provided for dancing by customers” are classed as a nightclub, meaning those that install seating instead can claim they are outside the scheme’s scope. Hospitality industry representatives said clubs across Scotland were exploiting the loophole so they could ignore vaccine passport rules.

    “SNP ministers should be embarrassed that they designed such a mess of a scheme,” Murdo Fraser, the Scottish Conservative spokesman for Covid recovery, said.

    “The vaccine passports guidance is so shambolic that places which are clearly not nightclubs are being billed as nightclubs, and places that are clearly nightclubs are managing to use loopholes to claim they’re not.”

    Nightclubs said they have seen revenues plummet since the vaccine passport scheme fully came into force on Oct 18. More than one fifth of 18 to 29-year-olds in Scotland – around 180,000 people – have so far refused to be vaccinated.

    A Scottish government spokesman said: “The scheme allows higher risk settings to continue to operate as an alternative to closure or more restrictive measures and increase vaccine uptake.”

      1. I suppose dealing with puritan nut jobs like Knox and the Covenanters (NOT a pop group!), the Scots have had 4 centuries to develop avoidance techniques.

  10. ‘Morning, Peeps.

    Hypocrisy writ large:

    SIR – Is it not hypocrisy to change the names of buildings or departments while at the same time keeping the money given by those named?

    If donors’ beliefs and actions are deemed abhorrent, how can keeping the money be justified?

    Ashley J Watson
    Bilton-in-Ainsty, North Yorkshire

    SIR – You will recall that 150 Oxford dons signed a letter refusing to teach at Oriel because of Cecil Rhodes’s statue there. This petty group is deafening in its silence over the Mosley millions.

    James Walton
    Sutton Courtenay, Oxfordshire

    SIR – I am not surprised by Oxford accepting Mosley money. Anti-Semitism is often acceptable to, if not encouraged in, the woke mindset.

    David Guest
    Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire

    SIR – I am an alumnus of St Peter’s College, Oxford, and a much-loved part of my family is Jewish, so I understand Professor Lawrence Goldman’s angst over a donation from a fascist’s family.

    But as Rhodes Scholars from all over the world would aver, if good is to be derived from charitable donations, there must, at some point, be a disconnect between the historic conduct of the originators and the benefit to the current recipients.

    I had to move out of college after one year into the only lodgings I could afford, with a lavatory in the back yard. I would have benefited from living in college and would not have lost much sleep over the source of funding.

    Tony Jones
    London SW7

    SIR – The hypocrisy of Oxford in taking money from the Mosley family while pursuing a woke agenda is beyond belief. I would be ashamed if I had any connections with the place.

    Mick Ferrie
    Mawnan Smith, Cornwall

    SIR – Given the current rage for cancel culture, universities are tying themselves in knots to justify taking donations without upsetting woke students. Statues have been removed, buildings have been renamed, former pillars of the community have been erased from history.

    Now, in the case of Max Mosley and Oxford, we have a current, rather than historical, moral conundrum.

    I can foresee that charitable trusts will write into donation contracts that any proposed change in the status of the donor will invalidate the contract, and initiate repayment of the donation.

    Universities should have the moral strength to defend those who have demonstrated their generosity. If not, they will pay the price, literally.

    George Kelly
    Buckingham

    SIR – The idea that in renaming colleges we should honour present riches instead of past virtue might provide us with the aptest motto for our times: Pecunia vera nobilitas.

    Richard Rex
    Ampleforth, North Yorkshire

    2. Once you start cancelling people and toppling statues, where does it end? Is there anyone virtuous enough to be deemed acceptable?

      The Rhodes affair was resolved by offering more scholarships to Africans. Any suggestions on how the Mosley affair will be solved?

  11. Good morning all.
    A bright & dry but chilly start to the day up here. 2°C on the yard thermometer.

  12. SIR – An inquest has been considering the death of a Red Arrows engineer, Corporal Jonathan Bayliss, at RAF Valley in 2018.

    When I saw the footage and read the report of the crash, my reaction was that the pilot was practising a “turn back”. This manoeuvre is questionable in its efficacy and carries a high risk; the aircraft is on the cusp of the stall throughout and, given the aerodynamics of the Hawk wing, once it goes wrong, there is no way out.

    As Officer Commanding Flying at RAF Chivenor in 1992, I was involved in the board of inquiry into an identical accident in which a young weapons instructor student died because he, too, failed to eject – why we’ll never know.

    The inquiry was thorough, but the outcome was clear: the aircraft stalled and recovery was impossible, given its height, so the crash was inevitable.

    At the conclusion of the inquiry, I wrote that, given the risks, and as a turn back had never been done for real, I recommended that practising the manoeuvre be discontinued.

    I was, however, overruled by the powers that be, who stated that “it was a good judgment exercise” and should remain in the syllabus.

    Three months later, a Hawk was written off at Valley following a practice turn back, although both pilots walked away from it. Twenty-six years later, sadly, Corporal Bayliss lost his life, and it could have been avoided.

    Wg Cdr Jeremy Parr RAF (retd)
    Suckley, Worcestershire

    I’m surprised that the practising of a risky manoeuvre when the back seat is occupied is still permitted. If the pilot omits to call “Eject, eject, eject” or is too late in doing so, the passenger is most unlikely to survive when close to the ground.

    1. I agree

      Further to that, the pilot should have said that it was his own intention to carry out the ‘turn back’ manoeuvre when detailing his plan for the flight, at the Flying Brief.

      If it were a standard procedure, the Officer authorising the Flight Plan is equally responsible. and should not have allowed a ‘passenger’ to fly

      I interested in how much the briefing to the passenger included the ‘turn back’

      I knwo when our helo passengers were briefed they were fully aware
      of how to escape,

      inflate the liferaft
      what the flight was about
      and carkeys were to be left with me

    2. I thought that the pilot ejecting automatically shot the crewman out as well, but not vice versa.

      1. I don’t know about the Hawk, Paul but on an air test in a Jet Provost 4, where I sat beside the Pilot, he told me, “If I say eject, just do it and if you ask questions, you’ll yourself Captain of this aircraft. I shall be gone”

      2. It is normally selectable.

        From the PRUNE website:

        “In the Hawk T1 the command eject is awkwardly placed to the rear of the seat. The rear seat occupant can choose to go on their own or take the front seat with them. By contrast the front seat can go on their own and give the rear seat occupant something exciting to watch.”

        Also:

        “In a Hawk with command eject ‘on’ the rear seat firing will then start the front seat ejection sequence, if command eject selected off then both seats fire independently.On a training a/c (say Hawk) it was designed to have the instructor in the back seat which is why I commented previously that if carrying a passenger in the back seat then the command eject would probably be turned off.
        On an operational a/c then the command eject may work both ways !”

        If driver and passenger are going out together (i.e ‘command’) it is usually passenger (rear) first, closely followed by the driver. However, the selection is briefed pre-flight. In the Hawk the student is normally the driver and in the front seat. Thus, the instructor may not want a panicky student sending him out. In the Hawk the canopy is fitted with mdc which destroys it a split second before one or both seats go. However, if the mdc fails to fire the seat can still go through it but it isn’t ideal.

    3. The corporal was nearly not allowed to fly in the back seat because his height was marginal – he was too tall. He just scraped getting permission. This was in a doco about the Reds I saw a while ago. One of the women nearly got spun because she was borderline too short (to be able to reach the ejection handle, if I recall correctly).

      1. There are normally 2 ejection handles – one above the head and the other between the legs, so the latter at least should not have been a problem for her?

        1. Perhaps it wasn’t the ejection seat handle that was marginal for her, then. It was a while a go that I saw the doco, but I remember reach being an issue. They were both borderline for the opposite reasons; he too tall and she too short.

  13. SIR – Truly Sir John Major has assumed the mantle of Grand Sulker from Ted Heath. Sir John was the man whose government was mired in economic incompetence, sleaze and infidelity. Worse, he took us into the Maastricht Treaty without asking the people, and we have spent nearly three decades clearing up that mess.

    His criticisms of the current Government only serve to point up his abject failure while in power.

    Lindsay Pritchard
    Cosheston, Pembrokeshire

    Hear, hear!

    1. Major was one of the chief architects of the death of Conservatism in the party he so incompetently led.

    2. If you keep swatting an horse across the face you will have difficulty getting an head collar on.

  16. SIR – Having continued our National Trust membership through the months of lockdown we visited the Parke estate in Bovey Tracey. We found the house closed as it was rented out to another organisation. This was not mentioned on the website.

    I tried to cancel my membership but, like Philip Adwick (Letters, November 6), found I was expected to continue with it until the 12-month period expired, even though the trust had £180 out of us when all properties were closed. The only option I was left with was to cancel my direct debit.

    Matthew Biddlecombe
    Sampford Courtenay, Devon

    We Nottlrs had already arrived at this conclusion!

    1. I left the Nat Trust years ago. Its taken a long time for others to cotton on to what they have become.

  17. Horror as British father, 57, is killed by ’14ft Great White shark’ as he swims off the coast of Western Australia. 8 November 2021.

    Paul Millachip, 57, is believed to have been taken by a 4.5 metre shark while swimming at a beach in North Fremantle in Perth on Saturday morning – with the attack witnessed by multiple people.

    A large search effort happened over 2 days at Port Beach but all that has been found is a pair of swimming goggles.

    Hmmmm! Just the goggles? The mind boggles!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10175133/British-father-57-killed-14ft-Great-White-shark-swims-coast-Western-Australia.html

  18. SIR – I am obliged to have a contactless payment card because this is the only way I can pay at some car parks and other services that I use.

    However, I am concerned by the increase in the maximum contactless payment to £100 and would like to set a lower limit on my card. My bank (Santander) tells me that it will be introducing such a facility later but that it will only be available via a mobile telephone app. I do not have a smart phone nor do I need one, want one or wish to pay for one.

    I can do relatively high-risk activities online, such as paying bills, so why am I unable to carry out the seemingly risk-free job of reducing the limit on my card? Who is going to hack into my account to reduce the limit?

    David Pearson
    Bottisham, Cambridgeshire

    I’m not sure how he can pay bills on line without opening the phone app to authorise them, as I have to with an account from the same bank. However I, too, await the facility to reduce the contact-less limit.

    3. Personally I use an account at one of the “challenger” banks to “airgap” my contactless payments – I rarely boost the balance above £50 so that is in effect a contactless limit. I use Revolut for this. I also have accounts at others for differing purposes (Monzo, Starling, Wise) and I believe some of these offer the ability to set your own contactless limit.

    4. I can pay bills on line (First Direct) without needing an app. I have a gizmo like a calculator that produces a one-time pass code to let me in and authenticate that I’m the one accessing the account.

  19. The world death rate for Covid is about 1%, winter flu can be higher. Whats all the fuss about.?

  21. SIR – The main arguments used to prevent the Cumbrian coal development depend on our being able to recycle all the steel that we need. This utopian dream neglects the fact that our recycling capacity is near to saturation.

    We have been recycling steel for years – electric-arc steelmaking. The central environment activist argument is that we will need less steel in the de-industrialised future.

    Perhaps protagonists of this philosophy might ask themselves which material will be used to support the hundreds of thousands of wind turbines that we will build in the next few years. Approximately 1,000 tons of steel will be required for each turbine, including the nacelle housing the generating components.

    Are we going to be stupid enough to let China supply the steel necessary for the green revolution that these activists desire?

    Professor R G Faulkner
    Loughborough, Leicestershire

    In a word, yes!

  22. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cb044cbafca6bb9a45f6e81d71b7c600297d69629ce4bc707d75d1fbff5d269d.png You will find that a combination of factors has caused this atrocity, Clive.

    An unholy mélange of piss-poor parenting, whereby parents no longer show their children the correct way to express themselves; execrable education whereby teachers are nowadays utterly clueless; and the import of banal and idiotic Americanisms which are seen to be “cool”.

    1. ‘Morning, Grizz. Of equal irritation to me is the tendency to put “I” first instead of last…

      1. ‘Morning, Hugh.

        Agree I. 😉 Another pet bugbear is how “Elsie and I” has now been replaced by “Me and Elsie” (or, worse, “Myself and Elsie”).

        1. Good morning.

          I was watching Masterchef 2017 when a Northern Ireland contestant said…’Me and me woman’.

          I found it quite endearing,

        4. ‘Snot my fault, our Grizz. Myself and Grizzly have been campaigning against such aberrations for yonks now – innit?

  23. In Dubai, they forgot one “LITTLE” thing!

    The modern Arab world!! You have seen those architectural wonders of Dubai.

    However, none are hooked up to a sewer system!

    The two-minute video below passes a line of poop trucks and never gets to the end of the line. What were these people thinking?

    An unbelievable amount of sewage is generated by the new high-rises and there is no place to dispose of it. Camel sense seems about right!

    Dubai doesn’t have a sewage system for all those big new buildings so they haul it all away in tank trucks.
    Look at the number of tank trucks that are waiting to dump their load.

    This is amazing. They wait for days to dump their load.

    You would have thought that by building all those huge skyscrapers they would have enough sense to put in a sufficient sewage system to haul away all that crap.

    You would imagine that those building that look amazingly beautiful were built on a well-planned system of utilities. But, that’s NOT TRUE!!

    Watch the following link:

    http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/-pQdjwliLMA?rel=0“

    1. My brother, who lives in Dubai, tells me that video is about ten years old, Tom. He says that used to be the case whilst Dubai was still being built but that the city now has a state-of-the-art sewerage system in place.

      [P.S. the chap who wrote the report you have highlighted evidently doesn’t know the difference between sewage and sewerage (there is no such thing as a ‘sewage system’). A sewerage system disposes of sewage.]

  24. I have yet to read Handycock’s article today, but couldn’t help spotting this BTL comment under the Letters:

    Olivia Wilde
    8 Nov 2021 5:54AM
    Why are failed politicians and so called “experts”, forever allowed airtime and column Inches In the press?

    Hancock despite his obvious Indiscretions and very dubious cronyism whilst a minister and “pants down” prize hypocrite Neil Ferguson perpetually being wheeled out by the likes of the BBC., and their Ilk, despite not getting any of his projections right, just perpetuates failure, to the point of even justifying It!

    Failure It seems Is now rewarded and excused In this messed up, muddled up world. whilst truth, Integrity, honour, humility and respect all but disappeared.

    * * *

    She is right. It is beyond my comprehension that Professor Pantsdown is permitted to go on terrifying some of the population with his nonsense. No one should ever forget his ludicrous predictions on foot and mouth in 2001 when he is said to have predicted up to 150,00 deaths (fewer than 200), BSE in 2002 when he said to have predicted up to 50,000 deaths (177), swine flu in 2009 when he is said to have predicted 65,000 deaths (457). He is the go-to ‘expert’ for those who feel the need to terrify the population I.e. government and the media. Oh yes, and for bird flu it was 150,000,000 deaths said to have been predicted with just 282 worldwide between 2003 and 2009. Impressive, isn’t he? And yet he has still not been disgraced and abandoned.

      1. Morning, Araminta. Sorry to hear of your fall, I suffered a similar fate some weeks ago but ribs etc appear OK now.

        Your description of Ferguson fits any number of this current government and of the opposition. Little wonder that he is so in demand, he’s amongst kindred spirits.

        1. Morning Korky. It is a wonder to me that anyone at all listens to him! Who else can you think of whose professional history is one of utter failure and yet appears daily on the MSM?

        2. Morning Korky. It is a wonder to me that anyone at all listens to him! Who else can you think of whose professional history is one of utter failure and yet appears daily on the MSM?

    2. 341340+ up ticks,

      Morning HJ,

      Continuing to support / vote lab/lib/con post rotherham plus cancells out peoples having self respect & integrity.

  25. 341340+ up ticks,

    Morning Each,
    Yet another waste of space issue, consequences of the voting pattern up to now that has introduced to parliament the oath taking instruction manual resting between the two dispatch boxes, & halal on the parliamentary menu.

    With a regime that is gaining strength daily via DOVER plus & fools actions at the polling booth the introduction of terminal barbers is a cert.

    Fact,
    Hair will NOT grow on a decapitated nut.

    Are we witnessing a new dawn for baldness treatments?
    Scientists have been testing new methods of hair transplantation, which could be more efficient and less invasive than current procedures

    1. Earthquake rattles Santa Claus Village
      A mild earthquake hit Rovaniemi, capital of Finnish Lapland, on Saturday evening. The temblor was measured at a magnitude of 1.5 at a depth of about five kilometres. No serious damage was reported.

      According to the University of Helsinki’s Institute of Seismology, it was located five kilometres east of Santa Claus Village, a popular tourist attraction on the Arctic Circle.

      “We have received numerous observations from locals about the case. A more detailed analysis will be completed on Monday,” the institute said in a statement.

    1. Doesn’t the cartoonist know that taking exercise after the jab can bring on a heart attack?

    3. Actually “I am Pilgrim” by Terry Hayes has a worrying plot – I wonder if Bill Gates has read it?

    1. The obvious way to cut the direct link between donations and a seat in the Lords is to make the second chamber – as in many other democracies – ELECTED.

      1. Never, Lewis, you’ll get all the left-wing scum technocrats.

        The way to go, as has been said many times here, is to return to the hereditaries ONLY plus the Law Lords at the expense of B Liar’s Supreme Court.

        The hereditaries have a vested interest in the health and wealth of the country and will take the long-term view, as opposed to the Commons short-term (when’s the next election?)

      2. There is some merit in having an elected second chamber but the list of disqualifications from standing would have to be quite broad and rigorously enforced: no ex-MPs, no ex-senior civil servants, no ex-Quango heads, no freeloaders etc. This exclusion list would leave space for a small coterie of hereditary peers but only those with some specialist interests/expertise. The hereditary argument stumbles somewhat when the heir apparent is considered, not all those deemed hereditary are sensible well meaning people. An eclectic mix of people with the UK’s best interests at heart would be ideal. Will never happen under any of the current leading parties.

    2. He has to be careful as Labour stuffed the Lords with all sorts of cronies specifically to get it’s malignant regislation through.

    2. I read that the Pakistani player who belatedly accused his former player friends of racism was in dispute with Yorkshire County Cricket Club over some employment dispute.

      As per usual follow the money viz. compensation claim.

  34. Given the amount of energy consumed to keep populations around the world from freezing to death in Winter, if the Ecotribes succeed in their ambitions to prevent an increase in the global temperature, the main beneficiaries will continue to be ‘fossil’ fuel producers and energy generators. Such a delicious irony….

  38. Boris on brink: Emergency debate TODAY as PM left fighting for job amid Tory MP outrage

    1. Sleeze ?

      Yes and the importation of tax guzzling economic migrants , a brown /black Muslim army , thousands of them given a free taxi ride across the Channel .

    2. The things that are still not clear to me are:

      i) Did Paterson declare his financial interests according to the rules as he should have done?
      ii) What actual lobbying, if any, did he do on behalf of the companies which paid him?
      iii) Why was he not interviewed personally by Bryant and Stone?
      iv) Why was the evidence he presented not examined and questioned?
      v) Did Bryant and Stone have a personal interest in finding him guilty?

      If he is truly guilty then it is for the best that he has resigned and good riddance.
      BUT
      if he has not been fairly treated and his evidence has not been examined objectively then he must continue to fight to clear his name and even present himself as a candidate in the coming by-election as an Independent or a a member of the Reform Party..

      1. I suspect that if Owen Paterson hadn’t exposed the uselessness of the Environment Agency, his peccadillos would have been overlooked.

          1. There was a radio programme in the States many years ago where partners were asked to rate their sexual compatibility out of 10. Plenty of “I’m a 8 but my partner is a 2, life is so frustrating” until a husky voiced lady came on and stated “I’m a 15 and my partner is at least a 20, life is fantastic”.”Wow” said the presenter, ” What makes your life so fantastic?” “Well” drawled the lady, ” I guess we are just very sensual, spontaneous and physical, but I think the real reason isthe Black plastic sheets and Johnsons baby oil.”

          5. As Spike Milligan observed, “Contraceptives should be worn on every conceivable occasion.”

      3. If you try buttering them up, you might get a bit of muffin as well. I’ll send over the toasting fork.

    1. Boosters they say.
      We know a couple who had two jabs and a booster.

      They have now been diagnosed with Covid.

        1. Busy.

          How things have changed in the UK in only two years, and not for the better.
          We got the distinct impression that there is a huge undercurrent of pent-up anger/frustration, not a good feeling.

    2. The cat put a huge amount of effort into pretending the dog wasn’t there.

      Bruiser – a ‘live in stray’ (much like the mother in law) batted Mongo as a puppy. He’s never forgotten.

      Nor did his sire, Wiggy who – for the first time in my memory – barked at him. A basso rumble that shook the ground and caused window panes to shatter and woodland to tremble.

    1. Good morning, Johnny

      You are quite right – but I cannot for the life of me see how being the party if illegal immigration benefits the Conservative Party in any way. Please would somebody on this forum enlighten me?

      1. They are doing what the globalists have told them to do.or else they withdraw their support.

  44. Planet destroyer breakfast,the sound of bacon sizzling in lard in the pan,two eggs fried in the residue served on well buttered toast
    Hat tip Grizz food that tastes like it did in my childhood
    Suck it up Greta!!

  45. Transport secretary Grant Schapps has fallen off his bike and requires surgery.

    I would like to encourage all Nottlers to send him our goodwill. But i won’t.

    3. Oh dear,…… snigger ……..I don’t suppose he will have to wait for three months for a phone from his GP.

  46. “SIR – Will the phasing out of the use of coal signal the end of heritage steam railways?

    Peter S Scotchford
    Leek, Staffordshire”

    Stupid boy – they’ll be adapted to run on wood pellets imported from the USA. Or be fitted with wind turbines….

    1. This is why Americans in the present-day empire could not recognize the republican virtue of an Alexander Hamilton. Ours is a system that hates the truth, so it despises men who seek it and embrace it. This age is a wilderness of lies in which the winner is the one most able to trick his fellow citizens to his advantage. As a result, there is a casual acceptance of the war on truth and morality.

      Here too! Truth is effectively non-existent in the West! This is probably more due to the Decline of Christianity than anything else. It may have had many faults but it supplied the moral basis of the West for fifteen hundred years. It is no accident that same is going down to oblivion!

      1. The Z Man’s articles are generally well sourced, as your link confirms.

        I liked the comment:
        Political dirty tricks are nothing new, and the Clinton machine made
        Richard Nixon look like a choirboy when it came to dirty dealing.

  48. OT – the MR has mainly recovered from her Phizer booster – though her arm is very sore. She had the jab on Saturday – when working as a volunteer at the GP surgery to help and guide 1,000 people through the gates of hell.

    Leaving aside the debate on whether it is all needed – apart from the nurses who do the vaccination – the whole thing is run by unpaid volunteers – and works incredibly smoothly and quickly.

    I reflected that this is one aspect of the British way of life that foreigners just don’t get. And, I thought, imagine the chaos if all the things done by volunteers were done by NHS (clap) personnel. It would be a disaster. Some would call in sick (it being a Saturday). They’d want lunch breaks, smoke breaks, protective kit. They’d refuse to stand in the carpark in the rain – health ‘n safety – might slip – or get wet… Want extra pay for weekend working …. the list is endless. Yet 20 amateurs rock up and the thing works seamlessly.

    Funny that.

    So – though I think it all bollox – I do clap for the Fakenham Volunteers.

    1. I presume the MR had the jabs for volunteering to work in a hospital environment.

      Would your kind lady have had them otherwise?

          2. If you look at the size of the American arses it’s no wonder they call them ‘broads’

          2. Once a month. At least.

            Did you see the letter in the DT today about boosters NOT being put on the “Covid passport”?

        1. I do appreciate that volunteers have the best of intentions but the government squanders billions on all sorts of wastefulness.

          3. But not on the volunteers. No public money is used on them. Lunch and tea are provided free by local shops and traders.

        2. I can appreciate the work of the volunteers and their efforts. For that they should be applauded.

          What bothers me is that vast amounts of money are available to the NHS, endless legions of very well paid and pensioned individuals who should be doing this work. The volunteer shouldn’t be in the rain, the admin staff should be.

    3. Glad all is well. Is it really a good idea to give both jabs together? Seems quite a lot for the body to take in.
      I no longer trust experts to know these things 🙁

      1. Saves time and effort.

        I had the flu jab last year for the first time and got a pneumonia one as well. Not bothering this time.

      3. That’s why I wonder about babies and small children being reduced to pin cushions.
        It could help to explain the explosion of allergies and intolerances that afflict my grandchildren’s generation.

        1. Also autism. I refer, not to the original study, but to recent research that autism has to do with gut health.
          In my younger years, I had very poor gut health, and also several allergies. All have improved over time. But I am aware of the extent to which gut health can affect one’s general health.
          If gut health does affect so many other aspects of the body, then we have to look at events that might alter it.
          Poor diet (compared to what we evolved on). Anti-biotics. But it is not beyond the bounds of possibility to theorise that injecting small babies with three vaccines at once might affect their gut microbial health.
          I’d certainly like to see some studies into that.

          1. So would I.
            When youngest granddaughter drops in with her chums (all teenage girls) she makes a dive for the cake tin.
            So many of her friends have to check for nuts, chocolate, milk, eggs etc….. I don’t remember any of us even thinking about such stuff.
            (Gristle from school stew was a different matter; I could not understand why my mother got so antsy about finding it in my dress pocket.)

        2. Another reason for that I think is the over-use of anti- bacterial spray and wipes. A bit of dirt is good for the immune system’s development.

        3. I still have my younger son’s vaccine record.
          At four months old he was injected with DTP and polio. From his birth till then he was putting on approximately one pound per month. On the day of the jab he weighed just under 16 lbs. He stayed the same weight for the next three months, although his development was normal. What did that combination of diseases in the vax do to him? I remember he turned very pale and still that evening.

          I think they do them even earlier these days.

    2. The very comedy of such a mentally unstable individual holding such office is merely evidence of pushing agenda above ability.

      The world has gone mad and the insane are setting the agenda.

    3. Hi, I’m Sue. I self identify as a lamp post therefore you’re obliged to address me as street furniture. Unless you self identify as a dog, in which case I’d be obliged if you’d keep your distance.

    1. Yes – we did – and she had a different outfit for each piece!

      Beautiful – and she can play the violin too.

    3. Benedetti will have her portrait painted by the winner of this year’s SKY Arts’ Portrait Artist of the Year competition.

  52. Morning all. Cold and overcast in glorious West Sussex. Time for frost cloth over the half hardy plants.

    1. What intrigues me is that do they know that we know they are corrupt? Do they know, that is the end, it represents their downfall, as public trust is eroded so the ground on which they stand is eroded. This is inevitable. So is their mentality a live for today, hedonism without thought for the future?

        1. Yes Araminta. And it can’t come to soon. Perhaps from the chaos would come a better order.

      3. James Delingpole often ponders this question with relation to journalism, as he has effectively destroyed his career in order to avoid peddling what he believes to be lies.
        The Delingpod with Ashley Rindsberg is very good – they talk a lot about the New York Times and its history of manipulating the news (AR has written a book on it). Ashley Rindsberg’s work is notable because he is one of the few people to shine a light on how some American Jews actively worked to prevent Jewish refugees from Europe reaching the US, and not to report on their persecution.

        The NY Times bestseller list? Apparently, it bears no relation to the number of books sold – it is purely chosen by NY Times editors! Naively, I thought it was compiled from the books sold.

        2. Thanks Blackbox. I will listen to that podcast. Happen to have a link? If not then I’ll search for it. but convenient if you already have a link.

          1. Here you are
            https://delingpole.podbean.com/e/ashley-rindsberg/
            I find all the Delingpods have been excellent. The only one I abandoned after a few minutes was with some hashhead programmer who struck me as immature and boring. But the rest are really interesting people, with genuine knowledge. The kind of people who would be on Radio 4 if it sought excellence.

        1. Well nothing. But I’m thinking in terms of their own self interest in the future and, it seems to me, they are squandering that.

        2. See this here pitchfork milord? You’re going to enjoy having it shoved up your arse and, if not, I certainly will.

    2. As I’ve said so many times, Kipling was wrong when he posited that “Triumph and Disaster” are the two impostors.

      Anyone with a semblance of a brain knows that it is Politics and Religion that are the real two impostors.

    1. I sincerely hope that this Pi55es him off:

      “With its century-old traditions and odd customs, it is not too surprising that Acts of Parliment are confirmed in Norman French. A literal translation of La Reyne le veult is ‘The Queen wishes it’.

      The House of Lords has been an English speaking chamber since the 1400s, however, Norman French is still used on formal occasions.

      When a bill has passed its third reading in the House of Commons, it goes to the House of Lords for their approval. Written at the start of the bill are the words: ‘Soit baillé aux Seigneurs‘, meaning ‘Let it be sent to the Lords‘.

      When the bill is returned to the Commons, it reads ‘A ceste bille [avecque des amendmens] les Seigneurs sont assentus’ meaning ‘To this bill [with amendments] the Lords have assented.’

      When amendments are accepted, the bill reads ‘A ces amendmens [avecque une amendment] les Communes sont assentus’ meaning ‘To these amendments [with an amendment] the Commons have assented.’

      Whereas La Reyne le veult is used on most occasions when bills are passed, occasionally a much longer portion of Norman French is used.

      When approving finance bills for Royal Assent, the Clerk says: “La Reyne, remerciant Ses bons Subjects, accepte leur Benevolence, et ainsi le veult.”

      1. Google translate finds that problematice. It comes up as “La Reyne, thanking His Good Subjects, accepts their Benevolence, and so wants” unless Reyne is changed to Reine, then it corrects to “The Queen, thanking Her good Subjects, accepts their Benevolence, and so wishes”.

    3. Someone should shove an ignescent fleuron up his arse. On second thoughts he would probably enjoy it.

    2. Only Bill is being a monumental hypocrite whipping up an artificial outrage. Boris has been inoculated twice and has had the disease. So, according to all sense he is not going to transmit the disease, according to the powers that be. Or is that not the case, and if not, then why the jabs?

      1. Chap on right looks a smug git.

        As I don’t watch telly – no idea who or what he is.

  56. BBC appears to be having multiple orgasms following the arrival of Obama in Glasgow…..

    3. BBC radio here has had a 4hr phone/text in show. virtually NOBODY. The show (s ) won’t discuss ANYTHING on THE FLOOD into DOVER OF THOUSANDS.

      1. Nor will they discuss the COVID lies etc etc – – – ANYTHING/NOTHING- – – – OTHER than what THE GOVT is wanting shoved down our throats – – and you are put down, called, labelled . .cut. . ,(got to go to the news), etc etc etc etc etc.. . .. . . . they even play clips from other shows that have been on earlier – – – just to fill the time !!!!!!
        They honestly may as well do a 10 minute loop of road reports and weather – – and send everyone else away.

    1. I can’t remember if I’ve asked you this before but have you ever had an interpretive ecg with a machine assessed heart intervals record like this below.
      This is an important medical test for airline pilots which has to be followed up with a manual confirmation by a cardiologist to confirm fitness to fly.
      It would also be important to have one of these as a baseline ecg to monitor the effect that an administered drug or vaccination has had on the patient. QT and QTc intervals are particularly important measures and indeed Trump was monitored for heart interval responses for the treatment he elected to have.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ecb86365c5883f09d9ba6d47328e9430afac23a19c96e874e520f35ba011df91.jpg

      1. I have never been shown any results nor have any results been discussed with me. I have a blood pressure machine at home and sometimes my heart rate has been 130, more twice normal, but I can feel that it is not regular.

        1. Likewise, I have never been shown the results of an ecg except on one occasion when I was asked to physically take the paper recording to the treatment centre where I was booked in for a cardioversion.

          Having passed an online ecg interpretation course at 80%, I asked the cardiac nurse to point out on the ecg why I needed a cardioversion. After some deliberation away from the cardioversion suite he came back and said I didn’t need one after all because I happened to be sinus rhythym and was promptly discharged.

          I can only conclude that I knew as much as they did about appropriate treatment after ecg interpretation..

          1. When I first suffered from Afib I was prescribe amiodarone, it settled down very quickly but it’s not a long term fix. I was sent for a cardioversion but sent home as I didn’t need it. But I had a catheter ablation at Hammersmith hospital just over 5 years ago.
            I have reason to believe keeping the results from patients is part of the cover up. I wonder how much longer all this nonsense and lies is going to continue.

          2. The easiest thing for a doctor to do when all the routine treatment pathways have been exhausted and the patient still presents with vital signs that are outside the norms laid down by the World Health Organisation is to blame the patient.

            In a hospital setting the nurse has to carry the can.

  58. 341340+ up ticks,

    BRITONS TOLD TO GET BOOSTER SHOTS TO AVOID CHRISTMAS RESTRICTIONS incarceration.

    The ” beginning ” could very well result in defiance of booster shots being
    met with rubber bullet shots.

    It would not be believed what is happening today by the majority 5 year ago, only by UKIP long term members whos continuous warnings were never heeded.

      1. 341340+ up ticks,

        Afternoon B3,
        More likely to form an advisory committee
        on main outlets for halal meat.

    2. As several people in the Mail pointed out, politicians don’t own Christmas, and it’s not something that we are allowed to enjoy with their permission.

      3. Drives me mad! A government can no more ‘cancel’ Christmas than it can cancel anyone’s birthday. It’s just a lazy tabloid cliché and it angers me when so-called reputable broadcasters use the phrase.

    1. If that bastard arrived in your casualty department would you want him there for six hours polluting the place?

      1. I mailed you yesterday evening. Are my mails still blocked your end? They might be in “spam”

          1. First one 29 Oct at 15.40
            Second last night – at 19.25
            (not in reply)

            Something odd – perhaps
            DRG is on to you…

          2. I’ve just added your address used yesterday to a safe sender list.
            I’ll email again as a test.

    2. Both times i went to Lister I was seen withing 20 minutes. I hope he had to wait a lot longer than that.

  60. Banging on about famine in Afghanistan on the wireless. Sent them a terse e-mail: population in 2001, 21.6 million; in 2021, 40.1 million. Wonder if they’ll broadcast it? Listen up!

    1. Cue bleeding heart charity appeals. (Sorry, I should have written cue yet more bleeding heart charity appeals.)

    2. $667 million
      funding call to help Afghans through economic crisis. Conflict and
      insecurity in Afghanistan have left children at greater risk than ever.
      Afghanistan’s economy is imploding, with all but three per cent of
      households expected to fall below the poverty line in coming months, the
      UN said on Thursday.21 Oct 2021

      The Taliban won. It’s their problem.

  61. Nicked,deeply sinister

    Education Secretary Nadhim Zahawi told The Sun that the Government plans to roll out yearly boosters. He said: “Ultimately
    our plan, we will, I hope be the first major economy to transition from
    pandemic to endemic and have an annual vaccination programme.” On
    Sunday Health Secretary Sajid Javid said the push to get people to have
    the top-up was a “national mission”….He said: “We know immunity begins
    to wane after six months..

    So that’s the plan let ouf of the
    bag – jabs every year of a substance untested for its already apparent
    side-effects, let alone for the ones as yet unknown. With the coercive
    ‘motivation’ that if you don’t get each and every one, they will make
    your life as difficult as they can.
    And ‘Ultimately’ means they’ll keep it up for as many years as they damn well choose.

    1. Yo Rik

      Do forget the ‘addictive additives’ that will be needed to ensure compliance
      ie, something to make you very ill if you eat meat or fish

      2. They will just apply your weekly meat and fish ration to your central bank digital currency income. Once you lose the ability to withdraw it as cash, then they can put whatever rules they want on it.

    2. Using a legacy potion to give immunity against this year’s and then next year’s new kids on the block “viruses”. Genius.

      Why aren’t people, and especially health professionals, asking the simple question. How does a legacy potion with very specific actions cross the virus generations and become a cure-all for variants? The current ‘Delta’ variant is escaping the potion now, hence all the “double-vaccinated” being in trouble now.

      Dr Vanden Bossche has stated that the very LAST thing that is wanted is a virus versus “vaccine” footrace as there will be only one winner, Nature. Ignorant politicians pushing medical issues dictated to them by equally ignorant globalists. What could possibly go wrong?

    1. If a female soldier cannot carry her male counterpart, pack and weapon 250 metres then she has no business on the front line.

      If they can’t hack it, they should leave. The role of the military is to kill the enemy. It’s not a comfy job. As for the wretched tank – it’s undergunned, under powered, made for the cold war. Scrap it. And sack every member of the MoD responsible for wasting so much money on it starting at the top.

      They won’t care. The troughers will role into consultancy posts where these incompetent thieves get paid for access to equally inept MoD officials.

      1. Wibbling, wibbling! You are approaching the problem from the wrong direction. According to one recent “RAF News”, the top brass are working on making the front line more “female friendly” – I kid you not!

    2. As they’ve chosen to live that way, then one of those consequences is that they cannot have children.

      These brattish creatures want it all, proving it isn’t about the child, but them. Dreadful creatures.

    1. Is John Major worried about herd vaccination and the social credit app? No
      Is John Major worried about the nett zero carbon dystopia? no
      Is John Major worried about uncontrolled immigration? No
      Is John Major worried about leaving the EU? yes.

    2. At least Johnson never pretended he wasn’t an adulterous fornicator. John Major criticising anybody else’s morality is sub-ridiculous. The man is an oleaginous lump of slime.

        1. But nobody believed him, so it was the same as confessing.
          Honestly, I don’t know who is more pathetic, him pretending to be Prime Minister, or us putting up with the charade.

          1. Johnson is a product of Eton and nurtured by membership of the Bullingdon Club and the Oxford Student Union. Arrogant, lecherous, pig ignorant and full of shit!

          2. It’s more than that. You hear about young men being singled out for future promotion – Johnson was one of those. Dido Harding was another. Gove was another. They just persuaded their contemporaries, as well as the dons, that they were destined for great things. Boris had connections and charm. Dido had connections. Gove had wits and an absolute ill concealed lust to advance. (I never trusted the former , and I never liked either of the latter two.)
            Almost everyone there was very clever – I only met two who were not. They are now both in Parliament, and one is in the Cabinet.
            Plenty of people came from leading public schools.
            The Bullingdon was a more exclusive filter of course, but was regarded as an irrelevant bunch of toffs by most people. We earnest middle class swots would have been appalled if we had realised that two future Prime Ministers were among its ranks!

          4. It was the 80s. If you were a successful woman, you were an ersatz man.
            At least we avoided the whining of today.

      4. Agreed 😆
        Major, memorably the most hapless efforts at being PM for many decades. Heseltine’s Puppet.

    3. Man who prorogued Parliament himself criticises Fataturk for doing the same! Wiki “In 1997, John Major, the then prime minister, and leader of the Conservative and Unionist Party, controversially prorogued parliament at a time that avoided parliamentary debate of the Parliamentary Commissioner’s report on the cash-for-questions affair“

          4. Er no. I believe you can buy powdered egg whites but i haven’t tried it.

            In the Summer when my Navy neighbours have their annual garden party i always make a massive Pavlova. I wouldn’t use anything but the freshest of egg whites for that but as a larder item i find the powdered egg okay.

    2. So many things are bubble wrapped these days, such a fight to get to what you need out of it’s packaging. Bah humbug!

    4. Try the Pradaxa wrapping – the silver paper adheres far too tightly to the plastic bubble.

  70. COP has failed and the world is burning, Greta Thunberg has said.
    But she’s also said the world will be under water soon, so that’ll put out the fire so that’s fine.

  72. I was shocked to read that Britain’s prison population has been ballooning for years.
    Has the world gone mad?
    Those people are there to be punished, not given ‘thrill of a lifetime’ experiences that the rest of us can only dream of.

    1. A thousand times no, they are not there to be punished, they are there to be shown the error of their ways and to be reformed, and more than likely converted (to slammerism).

    2. Prisoners? – – coming from which countries? now living in better conditions, in our jails, at our expense, dry, warm, with beds, better food, healthcare, tv, radio, power, toilets, drinking water, bath/showeretc etc – – than living rough in THEIR homeland !!!!! – – -come here – kill – get jailed/looked after – – released – – WILL NOT BE DEPORTED – – stay in UK – – free . . . housed, benefits, healthcare – etc etc.

      THINK OF HOW THEY SEE THINGS – – THEY get a work/cost-free life – – a MUCH better one – – than staying in their country – – OUR country gets destroyed.

      OUR JAILS ARE NOT PUNISHMENT – – IN ANY WAY.

      Other countries are sending their criminals here – – for us to keep and pay for, because their country REFUSES to have them back. UK is now a dumping ground – – nothing else.

      1. As I commented here the other day, The Mayor of Calais is thoroughly pissed off with the British and has very good reason to be. She doesn’t want these hordes of undesirable people messing up her town. They don’t want to be in Calais but they hang around there until they can get a dinghy trip to the Paradise for enterprising Muslims that is Britain where they can live in luxury at the British taxpayers’ expense.

        “Why,” she says, “should my town have to suffer because: “les faibles Anglais ne possédent pas les testicules nécessaires pour résoudre le problème.”

        [Do I need to translate?]

  73. ‘Countdown’ Channel 4 one of few TV games I enjoy.

    Just when you thought ‘Countdown’ could not stoop any lower with Anne Robinson
    taking the chair. Alastair Campbell appears as a guest !!!!

    1. In a recent Poll more that 80% of the viewers agree that plastic Anne should go.
      I just hope the lover and very clever Rachel has a few tricks up her sleeve with the vowels and consonants. Campbell is certainly something begging with the letter C.

      2. Maybe Channel 4 bosses want it gone, but won’t admit it, so want the program to become so bad, and C4 bosses NOT getting the blame for its downfall?

        1. I believe now on or when she is on maternity leave Rachel has/will be replaced by a black lady so that’ll make everyone happy.

      3. I cannot abide her snide comments which are neither funny nor clever.

        I posted earlier ‘Time to butt out….’Ladies’…..which included – Victoria Coren Mitchell, Fiona Bruce,…..Miriam Margolyes….

        I forgot to add Joe Brand………!

        2. I agree that Miriam Margolyes should butt out – but how did she ever get her butt in in the first place? And Russell should certainly keep his mum in ordure.

          Jeremy Clarkson was an admirer of Ms Bruce’s butt – and possibly her ifs as well – but though I have no views on Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s posterior my bottom line is that I do enjoy her presentation of Only Connect

        3. Totally agree MM is an absolutely disgusting POS, I thought she had gone to live in Australia with her girlfriend obviously that didn’t work out I wonder why……

      1. Apart from the ice on the land melting causing rising sea levels, sea ice makes very little difference to levels if it melts. It’s the old G&T trick, I read that there is no more water on the planet than at the original formation it cant escape the atmosphere and evaporation and condensation replaces other lost airborne liquids. But most definitely hacking down billions of trees has caused weather patterns to alter aka climate change. But many people world wide have made huge profits from that but that’s another matter of course.

          2. All ice in a drink does is displace it’s own volume as it melts it makes no difference the the volume.

        2. Now look here – we NEED all those new recruits to the NHS (clap) – surgeons, consultants, nurses etc etc.. Just be thankful that 500+ are arriving each day. Within a couple of years, the NHS (clap) recruitment problem will be completely solved.

          1. Yes Mr Thomas Sir. Of Course Mr Thomas Sir. Quick,someone – send an ambulance to his house Importing millions of unskilled, uneducated, 3rd worlders will have an AMAZING effect on this already vastly overcrowdwd island. – – Just put the kettle on, nice cuppa – and a few biscuits . . . .

          2. An ambulance? You mad or suffin’? They take a day to arrive. Or longer.

            I’ll just hand myself in – I’d put on a strait-jacket but the damn straps are so fiddly.

    4. The Canary Islands? Which are at risk of being destroyed by the volcano? That “canary” island?

      1. If it causes the anticipated landslip I hope Obama’s at home in Martha’s vineyard, though no doubt he’d get a USAF helicopter to lift him away to safety.

          8. Teddy Kennedy was visiting Belfast as part of the Plastic Paddy routine. He approached a soldier who was stood nearby. “Why don’t you go home?” said Ted.

            “This is my home, Mister Kennedy.” Soldier was a member of the Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR).

  76. I see a slammer has attacked police in Cannes with a knife. They were saved by their bullet-proof vests.

    Shouted about Snackbars, too. Clearly a lone wolf with mental ishoos….(yawns..)

    1. And let me guess: nothing in Al Beeb, no mention that these sorts are flooding across the channel, just ‘diversity strength!’

      1. I read now that they did – and his condition is between life and death. One lives in hopes…

        1. They’ll pull out all the stops to save it.
          Macron has decreed that the death penalty should be abolished world-wide.

          1. I guess Macron makes such a statement, as he is scared that in the upcoming revolution, he will be heading, via tumbril, for the guillotine.

    4. “Have you a snack Bar?” Is a common refrain amongst a certain demographic. I really don’t understand why the obsession, but there it is.

  77. I posted here yesterday that the Queen would never have aligned herself with the Man-made Climate Change nonsense had her husband still been alive and that I reckoned she was bullied by her pompously absurd eldest son and his deluded son, her grandson, William, into so doing.

    This is taken from today’s article by Dominic Lawson in the Daily Mail:


    It is true that Prince Philip was deeply concerned with mankind’s threats to the natural world and wildlife: but it is equally true that he had no time whatever for those who thought that man-made CO2 emissions were the problem here.

    Prince Philip abandoned his work for the World Wildlife Foundation because he opposed its decision to campaign on the issue of manmade climate change Prince Philip abandoned his work for the World Wildlife Foundation because he opposed its decision to campaign on the issue of manmade climate change

    He was, in fact, what is now termed a ‘climate-change sceptic’. So much so that he abandoned his work for the World Wildlife Fund, specifically — as he wrote to the late Christopher Booker, author of The Real Global Warming Disaster — because ‘it switched from its original focus on saving endangered species to relentless campaigning against global warming’.

    And in 2010, the Duke of Edinburgh tried to invite Professor Ian Plimer — whose book The Climate Change Delusion he greatly admired — to give the Prince Philip Lecture at the Royal Society of Arts.

    I say ‘tried’, because the RSA’s chief executive then wrote a letter to Professor Plimer saying that ‘with great regret’ it was withdrawing the invitation because ‘members of the Royal Family need to be scrupulous in avoiding any appearance of advocating or supporting a particular political stance’.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10176127/DOMINIC-LAWSON-Macron-chippy-fish-voters-ENVY-Brexit.html

    1. That’s good to know. I thought Philip with in with it too.
      Charles and William are not as clever as they think they are.

      1. Charles has always been an eco-loon – at least he’s consistent. William cares about wildlife – and I agree with him on that score, but not the rest of the climate rubbish.

        1. Some years ago William tried to get all trading in ivory artefacts – even pre 1947 – stopped. He also made noises about discarding antique objects that families already owned.
          I can understand why modern ivory is banned, but an elephant that has been dead for a couple of centuries is past caring. There were, until fairly recently, no suitable substitutes.
          I would imagine Granny and Grandpa looked round the nick-nacks in Buck House etc… and told him to stop being silly.

          1. Tusk, tusk.

            Chas and William the Woke have forgotten that royalty is supposed to cut ribbons, pin on medals and keep their mouths shut. They have both waded in to political issues about which the know the square root of sod all. Presumably to look “with it”. I bet The Queen looks on and despairs.

          2. When she thinks of her progeny – especially her eldest son and the second in line to the throne she must be inclined to have an Ozymandian moment and think of Percy Shelley and exclaim: “Look at my jerks, you mighty, I despair.”

          4. As things stood at the time, she would still have been superseded by her brothers.
            It is different now, but not, I think retrospective.

          5. Our piano is a 19thC antique – of course the keys are ivory. But I do support the ban on ivory now. There is a loophole built into the Ivory act for antique instruments, etc. – but goodness knows when they will actually bring it into law.

          14. I recall a visit to Sandringham years ago. They have an enormous collection of ivory artefacts acquired as gifts over many years.

            I found their collection of royal cars and carriages of more interest.

          15. Dieppe museum is un musée d’ivoire. I doubt they’ll be affected; I can’t see the French destroying valuable stuff for the sake of virtue signalling. Heck, they beheaded their royal family and kept the châteaux.

          16. Don’t you believe it.
            We’ve been trying to get rid of antique ivory here. Not much interest at all. Some bits are “museum quality”, they sell for peanuts.

  78. Phew. At long last we have a reliable power supply. After flickering and cutting out from time to time (getting slowly worse) for several weeks, it gave up the ghost just after midnight last night. Give it its due, it did try hard during the night, things beeped from time to time but just as quickly fell silent. When we got up there was nothing, zilch, no power in the house. No warmth, no cups of tea, coffee, no porridge, no internet …. after phoning two electricians (no reply from one) he advised that the problem was probably coming from outside the house, and we should phone UK Power Network. 4 hours later, we have the power supply back and no charge. How dependent our lives are on the supply of electricity. Even with LPG we still need power for the pump if we are to be warm.

  79. Our ‘caring’ NHS.
    Thursday afternoon, Friday morning and Monday afternoon; in total, after missing a call on Thursday afternoon, I have tried 8 times to contact the clinic after I had a precautionary (I hope) scan nearly a fortnight ago. So far, I have achieved precisely the square root of bu88er all. I have left messages – when the voice box mail isn’t full; I have had disembodied voices dated 1st. October, telling me that the clinic will be open on 4th. October; I’ve experienced barely patient main switchboard operators who seem to think they are doing you a favour by answering the phone at all …..
    By contrast, I phone the opticians and the appointment is made; just like that.

    BTL comments in the Tellygraff letters’ section.

    Maisie Surrey
    8 Nov 2021 9:02AM
    @TomArcher

    I think you could be onto something. The 70,000 excess deaths in the home, only 12% accounted for by covid, remains unexplained. There are calls, not of course from the covid zealots, for an investigation into this significant rise in home deaths.

    I think the answer is a combination of being denied access to treatment, saving the NHS” and the stress of being continuously scared witless by the Government’s never ending fearporn.

    I read that paramedics attended a call where a man was having a heart attack, but he refused to go with them because he was afraid of getting covid! When people think covid is more dangerous than a heart attack then you know they have been pushed too far!

    I think the NHS also have some responsibility with regard to the inhuman no visitor rules. People did not want to go into hospital and never see their loved ones again.

    Catherine Liversedge
    8 Nov 2021 9:15AM

    @Maisie Surrey Re your final paragraph, the inhumanity of this and forcing people to die alone, without comfort of family, is beyond words.

    Timothy Lamb
    8 Nov 2021 9:39AM

    @Maisie Surrey I agree I have multiple myeloma and as such my immune system is affected in fact due to having Chemo prior to a stem cell transplant I was on the extremely vulnerable persons list. 20 months later after having my two doses of the vaccination I got Covid and had a runny nose and bit of a cough but like many lost my taste and smell. I had to cancel my appointment with my consultant as I was self isolating. When I met her she was telling me that she will use me as an example as many of her other patients with MM despite having been double vaccinated have now become so scarred and stressed given everything they are told by the NH that they don’t leave the house which is having a detrimental affect on their health.

    Penny Heal
    8 Nov 2021 10:00AM
    @Maisie Surrey

    I think the NHS also have some responsibility with regard to the inhuman no visitor rules. People did not want to go into hospital and never see their loved ones again.

    I have thought about complaining many times about the inhuman and bad treatment or lack of which my daughter suffered after being admitted to the Luton and Dunstable Hospital in October 2020 with an undiagnosed stroke. Being unable to visit and be her advocate when her voice was becoming paralysed and the nurses were so dreadful and uncaring was an experience which has badly affected her recovery and left us both with considerable mental anguish.

    Inhuman.

    Pat Brown
    8 Nov 2021 11:20AM
    @Catherine Liversedge @Maisie Surrey

    Yes, happened to us. By the time we were allowed in my ancient and demented father in law was already unconscious and unaware we were there. Made much worse by knowing he had been asking for us and not understanding, because of alzheimers, why we couldn’t go in. The cruelty is unbelievable. If someone had told you this would happen, you’d never believe them, would you?

    1. My aunt and uncle- not a married pair but same family- both died alone in Scotland and neither had “covid”. No-one was allowed to see them. I wasn’t even allowed to talk to my uncle on the phone because of “Covid rules.” My arse- the wee cow answering the phone couldn’t be bothered to get off her bum and walk down the hall to his room.
      Last week I had an email from a friend whose mother had died alone in hospital, again no-one was allowed in. They told my friend that her mother had died of “covid” but as she was well into her 90s I doubt it.
      I am so disgusted by all of this that I can barely be coherent about it.

      1. It’s inhumane. But a dear friend who died last December in hospital (not from covid) had all his family round him so it seems to be variable from one hospital to another.

      3. I was able to visit my dear wife, who passed away in May, any time I wanted night or day during her last few weeks, I did take a LFT before being allowed in the home however.

        1. I am sad that you lost your dear wife but happy you were able to be with her at the end.

  80. Gorgeous sunset. Two evenings in a row. It’s all that climate change. We never had red sunsets before…

    1. Sage what you will
      Statistics make you ill
      Covid stats are pie in the sky
      Greens, gor blimey,
      Sleaze all slimy,
      It’s enough to make the Devil cry

    2. Also from the Spectator lunchtime email: the lying Amanda Pritchard:

      We got a strange update
      from Amanda Pritchard, the new head of NHS England, this morning. In a
      bid to encourage people to take up vaccines (both for Covid and flu),
      Pritchard said ‘we have had 14 times the number of people in hospital
      with Covid-19 than we saw this time last year’.

      It doesn’t take much number-crunching to see that this statement is
      simply incorrect. Last Friday (the most recent day we have data for),
      Covid patients in England occupied 7,072 hospital beds. On the same date
      last year, they occupied nearly 11,000. The same story emerges if you
      look at daily hospital admissions: 807 Covid-positive patients were
      admitted on 3 November this year – more than 400 patients fewer than the
      1,246 admitted on the same date last year.

        2. Just had quick shufti; comments suggest a lack of faith in governments statistics. Daily Mail readers tend to be more obedient than NOTTLers; no wonder the PTB are getting shriller and ever more twitchy.

      2. Be fair, her pants are on fire and she’s hoping Bill Thomas or Phizzee will come to her rescue and remove them…

          1. Timothy West delivered that line with great aplomb in the two-handed stage production of Beecham……
            From memory: “You have madam, something between your legs that could give pleasure to thousands. Why then do you merely scratch it?”

          4. Another story attributed to Beecham was that during a rehearsal he heard that someone in the woodwind section was playing very slightly off key.
            “You. Young man on the clarinet. What is your name?”
            “Ball, Sir” the flustered chap spluttered out.
            “How very singular!” said the maestro

    3. In May 2004, I watched the 16-Y-O Benedetti winning the BBC Young Musician of the Year competition, performing Karol Szymanowski’s First Violin Concerto in the final at the Usher Hall in Edinburgh, with the BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra.

    1. Hope the authorities regret using a children’s cartoon character for propaganda purposes! Serves them right.

  84. That’s me for the day. Quite a nice one – sunny and reasonably still. An hour of gardening. Picked the red tomatoes in the greenhouse. Still a dozen or so green ones left.

    Hope you have a spiffing evening planning your hostel for illegal arrivals. That’s where the money is…..

    A demain.

  85. Evening, all. I think there may be hope for us yet; went to my usual cafe for a coffee and got chatting to a couple about various things. Neither was vaxxed, both thought it was experimental and risky and generally, they would have been completely at home on Nottl.

    1. Good to hear Conway. Sadly we haven’t come across anybody who thinks the same as us. You’d think people would be getting a little bit uneasy about 2 jabs, then a booster, and boosters ad infinitum.

      1. I don’t criticise anyone’s decision, but I have started asking people in a thoughtful kind of way how many of these jabs they are proposing to have!

        2. Since having mine in February and April (mainly because I had a trip booked) I’ve read a lot more about the side effects (of which we had none) and won’t be having any more. Particularly because it’s now apparent that any benefit is very short-lived, so why bother having more?

          1. But, but – they will make travel a nightmare if you lack the third one. They have promised that.

          3. I still have a huge question mark in my mind about MB’s clot a fortnight after his first jab.

        3. There seems to be difficulty in reliably demonstrating a vaccine pass for the booster.

    2. Watch out for a group that has outdoor meetings somewhere local that’s called ‘Standing in the park’. They are all around the country and usually meet at 10am Sundays in parks or that kind of place. They use the summit of Kit Hill here in east Cornwall. MOH goes regularly and has coffees and discussions during the week. Friendly like-minded bunch from all walks of life.
      https://astandinthepark.org/about/

    3. There’s an article on hte Wail about a woman who refused to get vaccinated and worked in a care home. She was sacked.

      The commenters were fervently opposed to her choice and demanded she be vaccinated. This worries me, as it’s plain ignorance. Being vaccinated doesn’t protect other people from you, it protects you. That people don’t understand this is staggering.

  86. I was sitting in a cafe earlier today with the missus having a nice coffee and got chatting to a regular customer there, and bizarrely he had the same opinions as me.

    1. They will be cancelling cafes soon because of subversives getting together (see my opening post).

  87. We complain about our MP’s having second jobs and outside interests but nobody questions our world government leaders like George, Bill and Klaus for holding down second jobs

    2. I still do not know if Owen Paterson actually breached the rules by not declaring his interests and, if he did so, in which way did he lobby on behalf of his paymasters? It seems he was treated grossly unfairly, was not interviewed personally and the evidence he provided was ignored. There is also some doubt about the impartiality of Bryant and Stone who may have come to the case with their verdict already decided upon.

      We shall probably never know the plain, full truth. On far too many issues we are not given the facts but a very sketchy outline of the facts from which our MSM and politicians hope we shall be led to forming incorrect conclusions which are the conclusions to which they hope we shall be led.

      1. ‘Evening, Richard, “I still do not know if Owen Paterson actually breached the rules by not declaring his interests…”

        If you check with the interview he gave Farage, he maintains that he declared ALL his interests, so that couldn’t be an issue

  88. 341340 up ticks,

    ALL of the toxic trio lab/lib/con ‘violated basic decency’ as clearly shown via the JAY report regarding rotherham plus, ongoing.

    Caused a bit of rhetorical uproar, soon forgotten, No damage to the mass uncontrolled immigration, ongoing, party’s.

    A quota of paedo’s jailed, NO deportations, probably the families suffering loss of felons input will be met with a welfare payment to observe cultural harmony.

    telegraph News
    Live Politics latest news: Boris Johnson ‘violated basic decency’ over Owen Paterson row, says Keir Starmer –

  90. From TCW : https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/myocarditis-tends-to-be-mild-tell-that-to-this-vaccine-victim/

    YOUNG men who develop the heart conditions myocarditis or pericarditis
    post Covid vaccination are ‘extremely rare’ according to the UK’s drugs
    watchdog. This is not true, says leading US cardiologist Dr Peter
    McCullough, and even if it was true, it is no comfort if you are one of
    the ‘rare’ cases to find yourself in hospital with heart inflammation
    like Amanda Hartnetty’s 21-year-old son.

    1. When figures are published of deaths within 28 days of a vaccination alongside those of deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test I will make my judgement.

      Until then I won’t trust either figures.

      1. Just remember Nuremberg Code. Point No 9

        During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical
        or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.

      2. Just remember Nuremberg Code. Point No 9

        During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical
        or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.

      3. “According to Dr McCullough, heart inflammation cases in the US have increased by 5,000 per cent in four months, predominantly affecting young men. He said: ‘In June 2021, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) said there were 200 cases of myocarditis. By October we had 10,304 cases.”
        from the same article.
        You don’t need to publish figures of when people were vaccinated to see that this is a huge rise, that coincides with opening up the vaccine to young people.
        Also, death from myocarditis, if I remember correctly, usually takes several years.

  92. I wonder how these HSE recommendations will be reconciled with installation of heat pumps?

    “The primary method used to control the risk from Legionella is water temperature control. Water services should be operated at temperatures that prevent Legionella growth:

    Hot water storage cylinders (calorifiers) should store water at 60°C or higher
    Hot water should be distributed at 50°C or higher (thermostatic mixer valves need to be fitted as close as possible to outlets, where a scald risk is identified).
    Cold water should be stored and distributed below 20°C.”

    https://www.hse.gov.uk/healthservices/legionella.htm

      1. The Kiwis call it Doug… and apparently took it for walks, on a trolley.
        Always knew they are weird!

      3. Said Hamlet to Ophelia I’ll pen a rhyme for thee,
        What kind of pencil shall I use?
        2B or not 2B?

        Spike

    1. His voice is not just in the basement, it’s at least seven storeys down! Thanks for posting.

    1. I’m disappointed that so many people seem to support this crap! They deserve what they get!!

      1. I suspect few support this crap. It is promoted by the Common Purpose plants in our local authorities. The man in the street abhors such obscene waste of public money.

      1. I have replied as follows:

        Replying to
        @IJMO1
        and
        @PoliticsForAlI
        I hope that this council and its Highways Authority realise that this abomination is illegal, as it doesn’t conform with The Highway Code. When someone is killed or injured using this unsafe abomination, the Council will be held liable.

    4. Reminds me of Sigiriya, in Sri Lanka.
      I had to take off my shoes & socks to finish the climb. The reward was spectacular views. The murals were about 1/2 way up.

      https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sigiriya+frescoes&sxsrf=AOaemvIRLCcup0eaDp0JcOqHJqB705ZIug%3A1636320349086&source=hp&ei=XUSIYcXuAsHKgwep6p7oAg&iflsig=ALs-wAMAAAAAYYhSbev1HtfmyhmyrVzlPHkrDQlqmPFd&oq=Sigariya&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYBTIQCC4QgAQQxwEQrwEQChCTAjIECAAQCjIECAAQCjIECAAQCjIKCC4QxwEQrwEQCjIECAAQCjIECAAQCjIKCC4QxwEQrwEQCjIECAAQCjIECAAQCjoHCCMQ6gIQJzoNCC4QxwEQrwEQ6gIQJzoHCC4Q6gIQJ1CAFViAFWCfjQFoAXAAeACAAXeIAXeSAQMwLjGYAQCgAQKgAQGwAQo&sclient=gws-wiz

  100. 341340+ up ticks,

    Dt,
    Voters won’t tolerate lobbying unless it’s given a shake-up.

    The majority of the voters will be so topped up with manipulation juice
    via the arm ,dictating that the voting pattern is in no danger of change & the politico’s will demand & get more wonga, the abnormal trend will continue until the real stats are proven by which time, far to late, the imams will have the shout.

    1. Is ‘lobbying’ by self-interest groups,ie LGBTqwe, BLM, Global Warming, etc any different from what Mr Paterson has been accused of

      To me, organisations lobbying MPs will have far more effect on my life, than any one company can have

  101. Caver trapped 900ft underground is rescued ALIVE after three-day mission: Badly injured man is taken to hospital after 250 people free him from Brecon Beacons cave network following 50ft fall from ledge

    A man in his 40s has been successfully rescued from a cave system in the Brecon Beacons this evening
    Huge operation was launched to stretcher the man from Ogof Ffynnon Ddu cave system near Penwyllt, Powys
    Some 250 rescue workers operated in shifts to transport the injured man on a stretcher out of the caves
    Another caver notified police who called in South and Mid Wales Cave Rescue Team – weren’t able to free him
    The system features: ‘Huge chambers, beautiful formations, yawning chasms and thundering river passages’
    Were you involved in the rescue effort? Email tips@dailymail.com
    By HARRY HAWKINS IN THE BRECON BEACONS and SAM BAKER and RORY TINGLE, HOME AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT FOR MAILONLINE

    PUBLISHED: 20:19, 8 November 2021 | UPDATED: 21:43, 8 November 2021

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10179263/Caver-trapped-900ft-underground-Wales-rescued-ALIVE-three-day-mission.html

      1. I have often wondered that myself- same with a lot of other so-called extreme sports. It’s not just the person involved but those who have to put their own lives at risk to go and find them and rescue them.

        1. The cave & mountain rescue teams are themselves very experienced practitioners of their discipline and when on a shout to help someone in trouble, are very much aware that next time it could be them being rescued.
          Generally speaking, the only times they really get annoyed is when the person they are rescuing didn’t make proper preparations.

    2. What an arse for doing it. But the fact that so many people are willing to risk their lives to save him shows what a good place we live in.

  103. Good night all.

    Tomahawk steak, cooked rare. One of Elsie baked potatoes on a bed of rocket – a rehearsal for Christmas. Crozes-Hermitage 2018
    Pawpaw, perfectly ripe, as from my MiL’s garden in Juhu.
    Bitter chocolate. Armagnac VSOP.

    1. A small fiddle, if I may

      MP’s have condemned the release of the figures as a scandal

  105. My eldest brother has a bad cold, took a fall and is presently in Royal United Hospital in Bath. He is double jabbed but does not know which vaccine was administered.

    His ward nurse tells me that he has tested positive for Covid and is being treated with Remdesivir and another drug which I could not dictate as I now have some difficulty in understanding my original West Country tongue as spoken by locals. I did not wish to press a kindly nurse for more details. The nurses clearly care for their patients.

    The longer this charade of ‘vaccines for all’ goes on, the more worried I am for the health of the population at large.

    1. Good night, beautiful evening here, clear skies with crescent moon, Venus just below. Later in the week, Jupiter, Saturn and Venus should be aligned nicely, hope the skies remain clear.

      1. Cloudy here but not too cold, thank goodness. Supposed to be close to 60F tomorrow- I hope so;-)

      1. You’re welcome, Bob. Almost missed my 7 am deadline. Didn’t sleep too well, due to (very rare) phantom pain in the left leg. But I couldn’t be arsed to put the prostheses on and go and get Ibuprofen, so it’s prolly (©BT) my own fault…

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