Monday 9 November: Will the police break up Armistice Day ceremonies on Wednesday?

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/11/09/letterswill-police-break-armistice-day-ceremonies-wednesday/

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  2. The Fight for The Soul of Our Republic Has Begun by Larry C Johnson. 9 November 2020.

    If Joe Biden had run a real campaign and generated genuine enthusiasm, Trump voters would be unhappy with his victory but would acknowledge he had won. But Biden did not win. This election was stolen. And the fury and bitterness among Trump’s base is real and pervasive. So far, Trump supporters are keeping their powder dry–literally and figuratively. They are going to give the institutions, particularly the Justice Department, the opportunity to set things right in accordance with the law. But there is a limit to their patience. I know that Donald Trump understands this point, it remains to be seen if Attorney General Bill Barr grasps the situation. From what I know of Bill Barr, especially from friends who are close with Barr, he understands the danger and the implications perhaps even better than President Trump.

    The latest coup attempt is a mixture of audacity and sloppiness. On the audacious side we see a coordinated effort in key battleground states to stop counting votes when it was clear that Trump was in the lead and headed to a second term. The reason to stop counting was to bring in the thousands of votes that would make it appear that Trump lost. But for those of us in Florida, we saw the Democrat plans thwarted and the true depth of Trump’s victory.

    Here is where we see the sloppiness of the Democrat plot against Trump–the Dems foolishly forgot to cook the books on the House and the Senate. Trump’s coat tails brought significant gains in the House of Representatives and prevented a wipeout in the Senate. It is historically and statistically improbable that Republicans win back seats in House and hold the Senate while Trump allegedly loses. Trump did not lose. He garnered the most votes ever for a Republican but could not control the Democrat Governors who opted to stuff ballot boxes with bogus ballots. There is a legal, lawful remedy to this.

    I got my start at the CIA as the Honduran analyst during the height of the war in Central America. Part of my duties required me to keep tabs on political chicanery that was rampant among Honduran political, business and military leaders. I am now stunned to witness that this Republic–thanks to the craven and corrupt actions of politicians, business leaders and the media–behave like a shithole banana republic. The days of America pretending to instruct other countries on how to conduct free, fair elections is over.

    So, what are we to do?

    Morning everyone. The view from the United States.

    https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2020/11/the-fight-for-the-soul-of-our-republic-has-begun-by-larry-c-johnson.html#more

  3. ‘Morning All

    “Exclusive: ‘Mink virus’ alert as hospitals ordered to keep suspected cases in isolation

    Doctors, nurses and GPs told to take ‘immediate action’ against new Covid strain feared to be resistant to vaccines”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/08/hospitals-ordered-keep-suspected-mink-covid-cases-isolation/
    Where to begin??
    Vaccine??What bloody vaccine…………
    Resistant?? A vaccine isn’t a cure like an antibiotic you scientifically illiterate imbeciles!!
    Test?? You can’t test for Covid at all with ANY degree of accuracy let alone isolate strains
    God give me strength the Fuckwits have taken over the asylum

        1. When you sail from Jersey to St Malo you pass close to the Minquiers – a group of islands and rocks, about 10 miles south of Jersey.

    3. 326268+ up ticks,
      Morning Rik,
      Irresponsibly voting ie party before Country
      gave them the keys to the asylum, people power used in a responsible common sense manner can win.

    4. “…the Fuckwits have taken over the asylum.”

      They started taking over 30 years ago, to be precise, when they forced Maggie out of office.

      1. lol 55 years ago when Harold Wilson got elected.

        I know you love her but Maggie was an unmitigated disaster for the UK.

        1. I remember Wilson started the trend for creating ever more government departments; which then required a Secretary of State, Minsters heading all the departmental sub-divisions, Parliamentary Private Secretaries to each Sos and Minister ……. hence the 100+ payroll vote that the government can depend upon to vote the ‘right’ way.
          On the plus side, whatever his motives for doing so, he kept us out of the Vietnam War.

          1. Not a patch on Thatcher who managed to swell the public sector while selling off all the state monopolies. Now that took some doing.

  4. Chief Constable condemns ‘utterly ridiculous’ anti-lockdown protest where hundreds gathered without masks or social distancing – as four are arrested and 24 fined in clashes with police. 9 November 2020.

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    The Stasi at work repressing the people!

    Many of them carried placards, one of which read: ‘Fear is the currency of control.’

    One speaker using a loud-hailer told the crowd: ‘Those 300-plus politicians that voted for the lockdown are treasonous. From this day forward, it will be for every single one of us to be brave.’

    Chief Constable Ian Hopkins said: ‘Utterly ridiculous behaviour from the organisers and the protesters, deliberately breaking the law and putting our communities at risk.’

    Assistant Chief Constable Mabs Hussain said: ‘At the peak of the gathering, in excess of 600 people were in attendance. I would like to use this opportunity to publicly condemn this gathering.

    If one remembers that the MSM is controlled there’s obviously a vast number of people out there who don’t believe what they are being told!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8926887/Police-storm-arrest-anti-lockdown-protestors-slam-treasonous-politicians.html

    2. Good to see that Manchester police are on the ball. It’s such a pity that that force, in line with so many others, didn’t act as firmly and promptly when the issue was grooming and rape gangs. Oh well, better late (17 years) than never. The BIG question is: who at Manchester City Council sat on this information and who else knew?

      https://twitter.com/PeteJacksonGMP/status/1323928444850237444

        1. Good morning, Sue. Shocking but looking at what is going on in GM, not surprising. Quite a few people, including Whistleblower, are trying to expose what is happening in that once great city.

  6. GCHQ spies launch cyber counter-attack against anti-vaccine propaganda being spread by Russia. 9 November 2020.

    The activity being targeted is linked to Moscow, who is thought to be attempting to exploit the chaos caused by the pandemic to undermine the West and strengthen its own interests.

    It is the latest step in the government’s bid to tackle a rising tide of fake information being spread about a vaccine.

    The need to shutdown such information is growing increasingly more important as scientists close in on a reliable vaccine against Covid-19.

    Rough Translation. If we say it’s Russia it means that we can do anything on the grounds of National Security and it taints by association the large number of ordinary people who are suspicious (including yours truly) of the Vaccine Program. The later references to 77 Brigade, a domestic thought control agency simply confirms this.

    As well as the new GCHQ drive, a secretive army unit specialising in information warfare is also thought to be involved in countering fake narratives about the coronavirus.

    General Sir Nick Carter, the chief of the defence staff, has confirmed that the 77 Brigade is ‘helping to quash rumours about misinformation but also to counter disinformation’.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8927865/GCHQ-spies-launch-cyber-counter-attack-against-anti-vaccine-propaganda-spread-Russia.html

    1. My world turned upside down again.
      Who would I trust to provide reasonably accurate information?
      After this past few months, that is a serious question.

  7. I am amazed at the comments here by individuals I thought were far from stupid, about the US election. Trump lost – and deservedly so – primarily because of two things. His complete and willful failure to deal with Covid-19 – 240,000 deaths and rising, probably 300K+ by the time we get rid of him in January. “Covid-19 is a Democratic plot which will disappear after election day” was one of his more memorable comments – plus of course his unhinged rantings on Twitter in the run up to the election, blaming everyone, including his staff, for his likely defeat.

    In reality we are dealing here with someone who is mentally unbalanced, as his niece pointed out in her book. And as a psychologist she should know. Ultra narcissistic with a good dose of psychopathy thrown in. Hence his complete inability to accept that he lost the election, so now we get all these totally baseless accusations of fraud, despite his family telling him it’s over. This is someone who should never, ever have been allowed to have his finger on the nuclear button. To use a British expression, he probably should be sectioned.

    What is most horrifying is that 70M actually voted for him, and that many commenters, including some here, still believe his fairy tales about being cheated.

    Covid-19 may not have got rid of him, but American voters did the job.

      1. The ‘still counting’ in Arizona won’t alter the result. Those claiming ‘fraud’ in two states need to prove the fraud. Recounts tend to shift totals by a few hundred. The map is nothing but wishful thinking by people who are sore losers and whose actions will only damage their candidates prospects next time around.

    3. I suggest that you stop watching CNN and read the Washington Times occasionally, instead of the New York Times. You might find that the ’70M who voted for him’ are better informed than the majority of Biden’s supporters!

      1. I’m pretty sure research into Trump’s 2016 support base demonstrated that they were on average, less well educated that Democrat voters. Anyway how do you know Jack doesn’t read media other than the NYT?

        1. Yep. To take your comment, it certainly seems that lots of people, working class, less well educated types, should be disenfranchised.
          Why allow dummies to vote when they might well vote the wrong way? Universal franchise was never a good idea.
          (Let us ignore the fact that degree certificates do not guarantee that a person is either intelligent or educated.)

        2. Of course I don’t know what media Jack reads. My point is that nearly all of the MSM is inclined to the Left. Therefore, one only sees criticism of Trump’s personality but barely any mention of his very considerable successes domestically and internationally.

          I suggest that Biden’s supporters include a great many whose only concern is welfare payments, along with supporters of BLM, antifa etc. – few of them could be regarded as educated and well-informed.

          As for ‘fairy tales’ about being cheated, again this is skimmed over in the MSM. But if you read about instances of proven and suspected fraud and general cheating, in other media, if only 10% is true it is a very serious matter.

          Trump has an abrasive, no-nonsense personality because he is not a politician or a diplomat but a successful wealthy businessman. I have met many such business people, and they are all tough personalities who have no time for hand-wringing liberals!

          1. Very considerable successes?

            Like what?

            Unemployment falling? Sorry that was Obama’s policies.
            Protectionism? Really? Why do you keep voting for free trade here then?
            He promised to eliminate the national debt of the USA ( yeah he’s a complete moron) but in actual fact he increased it by about what 8 or 9 trillion?
            Presided over the largest amount of unemployment since the Great Depression.
            A useless trade war.
            Calls himself an environmentalist but made protection of animals weaker.
            Horrendous changes to the affordable care act.
            The pandemic response certainly wasn’t his finest moment either.

            Struggling to see any successes at all. Even his anti-immigration bluster turned out to be exactly that, bluster. Obama deported more.

          2. Good morning,

            Trump is the epitome of the Macabe nod and the stuff that ironclad America is good at .. The man has muscle , and none of the weak liberal handshake faux manners of the Democrats ..

            Well what do I know, nothing .. but he is what you see. Confrontational , all bloke and fond of Britain .

          4. Paul did you see Mr Shakey Handsman meeting Donna air?

            I seem to remember he was shaking her hand for about 5 mins before she started twigging there was something weird about the guy.

            Banzai!

        3. Yes, places with the highest democrat support like the ghetto’s in Detroit and Baltimore are chock full of PHDs.

    4. Bob’s map provides a good overview of the situation. All circumstantial issues at this stage. But as Democrats like to claim they “f**king love science” they ought to be somewhat persuaded by some of the statistical anomalies.

      Those Alaska & North Carolina votes – those will almost certainly go to Trump. Which puts him ahead on the undisputed results. Which leaves all those dodgy states to be investigated.

      Trump lost – and deservedly so – primarily because of two things. His complete and willful failure to deal with Covid-19

      A pure MSM talking point. I doubt it would have much traction in reality.

      Ultra narcissistic with a good dose of psychopathy thrown in

      Sure, he’s narcissistic but a psychopath? Not buying that. You would be better off looking at the Clintons in that department.

      Hence his complete inability to accept that he lost the election

      If you seriously thought you had won an election wouldn’t you dispute it?

      All I’m hearing from you is the screeching of the left/liberal media (excuse the redundancy)

      What is most horrifying is that 70M actually voted for him, and that many commenters, including some here, still believe his fairy tales about being cheated.

      Most US elections split the popular vote in the 50% and a bit vs 40% and bit ball park, no massive swings. Trump was always going to get @50%ish.

      2016 appeared like an upset because the breathtaking lies and the distortions of the MSM which they came to believe themselves. All of which they have repeated constantly for four years right up to now. But the actual results were still not far off 50/50.

      Anyhow we’re being asked to believe, if the results are true, that Biden is more popular with black voters than Obama, that he’s won more votes than any candidate in history.

      Yet he was virtually invisible in his so-called ‘campaign’. His running mate – she was eviscerated in the primaries, with Bernie Sanders waking up to find a metaphorical horse’s head left in his bed by the DNC. While Trump could get tens of thousands to his rallies Biden to only get tens to his rare outings. Anywhere online, just like 2016, one would see Dems getting battered in the comments. But again, we’re supposed to think that this army of no-hopers somehow won?

      When the history of all this is written, if it ever is, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to find Trump had won the election even if Biden Harris ends up as President.

      We’re very much in the territory of the Big Lie. A scam so vast it almost defies belief that anyone could have the front to carry it out. That is what Trump is challenging and that is why he is challenging it.

      1. His family may well be fed up. All the trials and inconvenience of the presidency with none of the perks. They probably don’t much like the prospect of another 4 years of checking in and out with security, with armed guards at every turn, their friends vetted and repeatedly searched.
        Unable to open their own letters or the parcels they’ve ordered online. So we might rather discount their whining.

      2. Another factor in his favour is his instinct for fraud and the wilful waste of money. Biden will return to the disastrous concept of a trace gas of vital importance being responsible for long term disaster. The most frightening fraud of all time with colossal losses and future threats to whole industries which lift people from poverty.

      3. Most of those states w/blatant voter and election fraud have GOP controlled state legislatures. IF they do not send electors dedicated to reversing this nonsense then They are Complicit IN A COMMUNIST TAKEOVER NOT UNLIKE WHAT HAS OCCURRED IN THE UK AS WELL —(MPs there have outlawed the monarchy and declared Parliament as sovereign thereby using Brexit to mask a total change in the system of govt from Constitutional Monarchy to a Democracy/totalitarian state. They also kept EU laws doing away w/common law jurisdiction —they’ve responded with MAGNA CARTA 2020 and filed suit against all MPs complicit And are charging them as individuals w/fraud and treason —one has already resigned. We need to wake up and do likewise. All the treasonous p.o.s need to help accountable.

        Remedy for election fraud ;

        Article II, Section 1, Clauses 2 and 3, which state that:

        Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress; but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States shall be appointed an Elector.

    5. Mr President, we are doing a run through of the emergency procedure for a nuclear launch. Would you please give us the launch code?”
      “Erm, code?”
      “Yes, Mr President. You have a card with the codes. We need the code for today.”
      “Erm card. Card… Right here is one…”
      “Sorry Mr President, this is an American Automobile Association membership card.”
      “Oh, really, oh well. I didn’t know I was a member. The limo has never broken down, has it ?”
      ” No Mr President. Mr President, the launch codes…?
      “Jill, er, Jill, have you seen the launch codes? The card, the blue one? I think it’s blue…The one for firing nuclear things…Not in the fridge is it?”

    6. A variety of strategies against CV have been tried across the world but the only ones that I believe have been successful are those that cover up the actual statistics. Has any political leader been able to deal with ‘flu yet?

  8. Morning all. Here are the first few letters….

    SIR – You were right to challenge the legal ban on church worship and, in particular, the requirement, under coronavirus regulations, for Remembrance events to be held outside.

    The exception for Westminster Abbey applies only for the service in the Abbey on Wednesday, November 11, to commemorate Armistice Day and the centenary of the burial of the Unknown Warrior.

    There is no exception to the general ban on gatherings for other services on Armistice Day, whether held in church or outdoors.

    Thus, the holding of traditional acts of Remembrance on Wednesday at town and village war memorials around the country will be illegal.

    This is shameful, even though I doubt whether the police would dare to seek to disperse such gatherings. The Government should act today to amend the regulations to allow such events to go ahead lawfully.

    David Lamming

    Boxford, Suffolk

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    SIR – There is something very wrong in this country, when the public are not allowed to attend the ceremony to commemorate our service men and women outside in Whitehall, while we can shop in our local supermarket indoors.

    What a chance it was for Boris Johnson, the Prime Minister, to stand up against these scientists and insist the ceremony went ahead as usual. But no, he has become subservient to his “advisers”.

    Philip Hall

    Petersfield, Hampshire

    SIR – Dr Keith Collard (Letters, November 7) criticises the scientific quality of the pronouncements by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage).

    I wonder if the lack of science backgrounds in the Government could explain the ease with which Sage gets its unreviewed predictions accepted?

    It is possibly not a coincidence that the two most successful European leaders of the recent past, Margaret Thatcher and Angela Merkel, had science degrees, and were qualified to ask searching questions.

    David Pynn

    Malmesbury, Wiltshire

    SIR – Fraser Nelson posed the question: 
“Is Boris Johnson really in charge of No 10?”

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    I carefully read Mr Nelson’s arguments for and against, considered the personnel involved, examined a number of relevant graphs and diagrams, looked at the science, took into consideration patterns of behaviour, modelled a number of scenarios and came to a conclusion.

    The answer to Mr Nelson’s question is: “No”.

    David S Ainsworth

    Manchester

    SIR – Who is actually running this country – scientists or professional footballers? I think we should be told.

    Martyn Pitt

    Hardwicke, Gloucestershire

  9. Good morning, all. Grey, damp and foggy start here.

    I thought that – given the constraints – the Cenotaph parade was well done. The saddest thing for me was the Queen in that ghastly mask, alone, except for her equerry and a priest (plus a piper and a couple of cameramen) laying a bouquet on the Tom of the Unknown Warrior. What possessed her to go to an empty building with no more than a dozen well spread out people and wear a completely unnecessary mask? Is she under orders?

    2. Yes. There was much negative comment about HM not wearing a mask for her visit to Porton Down (?) the other day.

    2. Morning, Misty. Play Peddy for me.

      Oh, you were saying “Good Morning” to Missy! My mistake. :-))

  12. I repeat my question from yesterday. How does one join the Resistance? Nottlers must know.

    7. I shall nit repeat this massage, but go to the dour of Cafe Rene and ask fir “Michelle”. She will slip you into the right channel…

  13. DT obituary…what a fascinating and varied life this lady led:

    Sylvia Morris, singer who performed for Hitler, befriended Prince Philip and joined MI5 – obituary

    She studied music in Dresden but put her career on hold to join the war effort, and she later became an acclaimed garden designer

    By
    Telegraph Obituaries
    6 November 2020 • 8:02pm

    Sylvia Morris, who has died a few days before her 100th birthday, was one of a generation of young women who found their lives up-ended by the onset of war; her plans to become a singer were put on hold and she found herself with MI5 instead.

    Her father already worked with the intelligence services. The division he headed for MI5 was situated in Wormwood Scrubs, his office a lifer’s cell. The first job Sylvia was given was to make soup for the German prisoners; she also filed and did translations before graduating to assessing the trustworthiness, or otherwise, of the information supplied by various enemy agents.

    Later she was given particular responsibility for Luxembourg, but by then MI5 had vacated Wormwood Scrubs and moved to more salubrious accommodation in St James’s. While at MI5 she shared an office with Donald Maclean’s sister, through whom she met Kim Philby; he was, she thought, “a rum type”.

    Sylvia Heywood was born on November 9 1920 at Brinkburn in Northumberland, the youngest of three children. She was proud of her Northumbrian heritage and loved its particular dialect.

    Her father Marcus had fought in France, Belgium and Italy during the First World War and had been an ADC to Churchill at Ypres and the Delhi Durbar; he combined working for the intelligence services with a partnership in a firm of stockbrokers in Grey Street, Newcastle.

    The family were friends of royalty; Sylvia recalled staying as a girl in a Scottish country house with King George V and Queen Mary. There was only one bathroom; the King had the first bath, the Queen the second, and Sylvia, her brother and sister the third. That there was “royal scum” around the bath was a wonderful joke to the children.

    On leaving St Mary’s School, Wantage, she was sent by her parents to Dresden to study the violin and singing and to finish her education. She fell in love with the city, which was generally peaceful, and as the girls in her hostel did not talk about Hitler or the Nazis she managed to avoid politics – but she remembered how the Austrian Anschluss was celebrated with extra servings of cream.

    Music – especially German music – was always Sylvia’s great passion and she attended the opera nearly every night. She went twice to Bayreuth, and on one occasion she was a member of a choir which sang for Adolf Hitler: he was repellent, she said, but he was also mesmerising.

    She also recalled Etam stores, a Jewish firm, being ransacked. The next day the girls in the hostel persuaded their landlady, who was terrified, to go shopping for them when it opened. The stench of jackboots stayed with Sylvia all her life.

    In August 1939 her father insisted that she leave Germany as soon as possible, and she returned home to live with Osla Benning in Belgravia. Benning was a beautiful Canadian heiress. She was also the girlfriend of Prince Philip – each was the other’s first serious relationship.

    The Prince had no home of his own and slept where he could. Since he was often at Osla’s, Sylvia and he became friends. He would arrive late, sit on the end of her bed and tell her his news. She also provided an ear for his troubles – “He had a black bear on his shoulder,” she said. They would sometimes dance the night away at the Café de Paris.

    The war having ended, Sylvia resumed her musical career. She sang on stage in Scotland for the Clydeside ship workers, sharing the bill with the comedy entertainer Reg Varney, who later appeared in the TV sitcoms The Rag Trade and On the Buses. She was spared the legendary dreadful actors’ digs, however: she stayed with the Earl of Glasgow’s daughter, a friend from Germany, at Kelburn Castle in Ayrshire.

    In 1952 she married an Australian actor, John Morris, whom she first met in the theatre. They had a daughter, Joneen Stephanie (named after the stephanotis, Sylvia’s favourite flower), but his work meant that the two were often separated. Despite the fact that he used to arrive on a ship back at Southampton with his latest mistress in tow they never divorced, but lived separately for most of their lives. He died in 2012.

    In the 1950s Sylvia Morris retired from the stage. After a bohemian life with her daughter, living in a caravan in Gloucestershire, she worked for the Officers’ Association and the British Red Cross Transport Division.

    She also retrained as a garden designer. Now living to Kent, she went to sit at the feet of Vita Sackville-West “along with everyone else”, who lived at Sissinghurst nearby. Among the gardens she worked on were those at Wellington College, Miserden Park, and Chateau de la Barbée at Bazouges-sur-le-Loire.

    Finally she returned to Gloucestershire to live near her daughter in Quenington. She never returned to Dresden, the city she loved but which had suffered such wartime destruction. Late in life she became friends with Paddy Leigh Fermor, who had also been in Germany before the war. Together they would reminisce and sing German drinking songs.

    Sylvia Morris, born November 9 1920, died October 28 2020

  15. UK government fails to publish details of £4bn Covid contracts with private firm. 9 November 2020.

    The government has failed to publish any information about £4bn of Covid-related contracts awarded to private companies, in what appears to be a continuing breach of UK law.

    The gap was uncovered by campaign group the Good Law Project, which along with a cross-party group of MPs, is suing the health secretary, Matt Hancock, in the high court. They are accusing his ministry of an “egregious and widespread failure to comply with legal duties and established policies”.

    The group is warning of a “transparency gap” and is pushing for an independent judge-led inquiry into the billions spent on personal protective equipment, medicines and virus testing and tracing since the pandemic began.

    This was embezzlement on a massive scale almost certainly by members of the Civil Service. Most of the money has probably gone abroad.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/09/uk-government-fails-to-publish-details-of-4bn-covid-contracts-with-private-firms

    1. The innova deal looks fishy to say the least. It’s an American consortium that runs hospitals and provides physicians. Looks like they are buying tests from a supplier in China, adding a mark-up and selling to us. Why do we need funnel money to an American middleman? They don’t seem to produce tests for any other disease.
      I’m not convinced lateral flow tests are a good idea.

      3. His Wiki page makes interesting reading. It would be quicker to mention the very short list of companies he hasn’t been on the board . Hi nick name is ‘Prince of Darkness.

      4. The online AGM didn’t quite go as planned; the members were not happy. Mind you, he ignored it all. I hope everybody who can will ditch their membership.

  19. Prince Harry marks first Remembrance Sunday since move to Los Angeles. 9 November 2020.

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    Prince Harry laid flowers from his garden in a Los Angeles cemetery on Sunday after missing the Remembrance Sunday commemoration at the Cenotaph for the first time.

    He was joined by the Duchess of Sussex during the private visit to the Los Angeles National Cemetery where the couple laid flowers, picked by the Duchess, at the gravesites of two commonwealth soldiers.

    A spokesman for the couple said it was important to them “to be able to personally recognise Remembrance in their own way”.

    Truly cringing stuff! It looks as if only they and the photographer were the only ones there!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/11/08/prince-harry-marks-first-remembrance-sunday-since-move-los-angeles/

    1. JHC! Do those manipulative twerps go anywhere without holding hands?
      The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

    2. Just call me and old septic, but ‘one’ really does get the impression that every thing they do is soooo stage managed.

    5. If you look very carefully at some of the shadows of the two protagonists they are not at quite the same angle as permanent features…..! And perhaps not commensurate with time of day shadows of the more permanent features.

      Edit: Also reports the weather has been very bad in the LA area for the last few days with high winds. It looks like calm, early autumn in those photographs.

      1. I think that if the photo-op was done at approximately noon local time the shadows would be about right,

      2. They look as though they have been photo-shopped into an empty cemetery pic. Especially with those shoes.

        1. Meghan has to wear five inch stilettoes wherever she goes. The fact that she should be expected to forget about her own appearance and just think about why she is there, hasn’t affected her pea-brain. And exactly who are the medals being worn for, Hal? Of course, for the dead – not for your own vanity, eh? Sickeni9ng pair.

  20. Prince Harry marks first Remembrance Sunday since move to Los Angeles. 9 November 2020.

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    Prince Harry laid flowers from his garden in a Los Angeles cemetery on Sunday after missing the Remembrance Sunday commemoration at the Cenotaph for the first time.

    He was joined by the Duchess of Sussex during the private visit to the Los Angeles National Cemetery where the couple laid flowers, picked by the Duchess, at the gravesites of two commonwealth soldiers.

    A spokesman for the couple said it was important to them “to be able to personally recognise Remembrance in their own way”.

    Truly cringing stuff! It looks as if only they and the photographer were the only ones there!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/11/08/prince-harry-marks-first-remembrance-sunday-since-move-los-angeles/

    1. If Trump were to be re-elected this time round, he would still be the 45th President, not the 46th. If Biden is confirmed, he will be the 46th.

    2. What do thinks going to happen now Polly ?
      I’ve never been a fan of DT but the American people voted him in last time, fair enough.
      My opinion is the republicans should have won, from what i have read so far the election fraud has been rife, but i hope for the sake of sanity ‘a died in the wool’ dangerous Dem and a 78 year old, is not going to get across the threshold of the WH.
      If he does they have him removed on medical grounds within 3-6 months.

      1. 326268+ up ticks,
        Morning RE,
        Change the 3/6 months to days and I am in full agreement, even so a lot of damage can be done in 3/6 days time span.

      2. Hilary had more votes. Trump got in because of the electoral college system. There were also 10 faithless electors in 2016, the most there’s been in well over 100 years. I’m not a lover of any system where the person with the fewest votes can win.

          1. It’s always the same here, the majority are those who vote against the incoming government.

          1. We’ll see I guess. I’m not seeing this evidence of mass fraud and Trump hasn’t presented any evidence to the courts supposedly.

            Agent Orange is done. Now we’ll have Agent Alzheimers for a few months then he’ll quietly retire on medical grounds for Kamala Harris to take over.

          2. I’m not seeing this evidence of mass fraud
            Maybe you’re not looking hard enough.
            You wont find it in our own left wing MSM.

          3. There’s a small issue with some voting machines that i read turned out to be operator error and was fixed.

            Otherwise it’s all just bluster until some real evidence is found.

        3. The system was originally set up that way to ensure that the most populous States were not able to totally dominate the process of government.

          The intention was similar to the giving equal voice to all States in the Senate.

          1. It’s all America.

            The electoral college system means many votes in the election have no real meaning. Some democracy.

          2. Not true.

            The voters also get to vote on their other representatives, the electoral college really only applies to the Presidency.

            In any Democracy where FPTP applies, large numbers of people’s votes essentially don’t count.

            The big problem with the alternative, PR, is that small sections of the voter base acquire power out of all proportion to their numbers; as we have recently seen in the UK with coalitions and agreements of convenience.

          3. But we haven’t seen anything due to PR. The only elections we have by PR are the euroMP elections which no longer happen.
            You seem scared of PR and coalitions but without good reason since they seem to function pretty well in other countries.
            Liking your 80 seat majority atm?
            I dislike, perhaps even hate, all systems like FPTP / Electoral college.

          4. I’m not scared of PR, I believe it gives too much power to minorities who sell their votes to the highest bidders. It creates pork barrel politics of the worst sort.

      1. Donald deserves the accolade twice over and more as the Dem creeps are giving him so much trouble. He’ll win through though !

  23. All those millions of dollars from Gates are showing up in the DT headlines……

    This will be so funny when it all gets rowed back !

    2. Sadly, the Dems and their chums in local/state government and the investigating authorities will have likely coevred up (including by ‘accidentally destroying’ errant ballots) a good portion, given no GoP invigillators can check what’s going on in many areas because they were illegally denied access.

      I saw this sort of thing coming ages ago, but was still shocked at the scale (my estimation is that they got about 5M extra [illegal] votes, with about 1-2M taken directly from Trump’s ally) and brazeness of them in doing so and the MSM’s complicitness in helping them cover it up. The GoP should’ve seen this coming and made sure they had sufficient people on the ground to either stop it or document it.

      If evidence DOES come to light and which shows it was done on a huge scale, especially in the swing states, then that would be the end of the Democratic Party. Makes our problems back in Blighty with the Muslim vote seem tame in comparison.

      1. There are many ways of proving fraud including through the use of historic statistical evidence which demonstrates beyond reasonable doubt that the existing outcome is impossible without malign interference.

        It’s even possible the Supreme Court will set aside the 2020 Presidentail Election, and run it again next year. Without mail ins and everything checked… and with the conspirators in jail.

        Watch this space !

  24. The mainstream media still behaving like Bidon is the President, no mention of election fraud.
    Just a bit of ridicule of Trump so far.
    At least now it is plain to see who our enemy really is.

    1. It’s probably too late, but I would be tempted to impound a few of the ballot counting machines that are thought to contain fraudulent programming, connect them up to reflect how they were inter-connected in the election and then run through a representative number of a controlled group of ballots and see what happens. If there is evidence of “vote-flipping”, game set and match to Trump.

      1. It is simple program. I believe it is called “Pong”. It may be possible to discern Chinese influence. When the program was devised, some time ago, one of the programmers who worked on the development was called Yu Spi Ping.

    4. The BBC asserts that there is not a shred of evidence that there was any electoral fraud.

      Indeed, part of the current initiation training programme for those starting work at the BBC consists of instructing employees to recognise whether a shred of evidence is a real shred of evidence or not. In this way the BBC can be sure that its output will always be well-informed, accurate and impartial.

  25. 326268+ up ticks,
    A form of poetic justice, suggest to Pres,Trump while still in power to call for a 9 month delay to proceedings.
    It was a master antibrexitexit stroke by the pretender tory’s
    via their evil leader, let the 9 month delay via Trump give birth to political honesty ongoing.

      1. but don’t relax, the mink covid may be resistant to vaccines.

        Back to lockdown I am afraid.

    2. My BiL has just phoned (I had to answer as old man was playing in the garden!) and the first thing he said was “Have you heard the good news?” Thinking that anything would be better than the diet of doom we have had for weeks, I foolishly asked what the news was? “The vaccine….!” “I’ll just get your brother…….”

    4. The BBC has also reported on this:
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54873105

      “Their vaccine has been tested on 43,500 people in six countries and no safety concerns have been raised.”
      Give it time…

      “However there are logistical challenges, as the vaccine has to be kept in ultra-cold storage at below minus 80C.”
      Keep trying, folks!

      2. Minus 80C? Distribution will be all but impossible. Cold stores typically stay below minus 18C, and seldom go below minus 30C.
        The number of sites with storage capability, and the means of transport to and from sites, are not to available, I think.

        1. No. It is not cold enough. Although a temperature of minus 89C was recorded there in one instance in winter, that will fluctuate.
          There also might be some difficulty in moving the entire population of the planet to and from Antartica. There are a large number of empty cruise ships available. With a capacity of 600,000 and a turnaround of two weeks the fleet could move 15m per year. So vaccinating everyone at the Antarctic Vaccination Centre would take around 520 years. Hmm.
          I’d suggest upgrading ice cream vans. Mobile screen, ice cream and a poke facilities might just work.

        2. No, you just carry the stuff around in liquid nitrogen storage vessels, which come in varying sizes from “large thermos flask” to whole rooms. We’ve been using them to store semen since the 1950s. You’ll find one on pretty much every dairy farm in the country and quite a few pig and beef farms too.

          In the early days all the storage was at the AI centres but nowadays most dairy farms have their own storage and do their own insemination (it’s easier to get the timing right). The small storage vessels can go anywhere in the country in an ordinary car. The “AI man” used to drive a battered and very muddy estate car. I’ve carried an AI tank in my car on a couple of occasions… you just don’t take the lid off without the appropriate gauntlets.

          Semen can survive for over 40 years at temperatures similar to that described for the vaccine and is regularly distributed from Shetland to the Scilly Isles. There should simply be no problem at all with distributing a vaccine in a similar fashion.

    5. Given what transpired in 2010/11 with the fake swine/avain flu pandemics and the actions of at least some of the big pharma firms (not saying it is or was this one) in league with the WHO, I’m not exactly clapping. Besides, what does ‘90% effective’ mean? Does it stop it completely for 90% of patients, or 90% never have to take another dose, or it reduces symptoms (which) by 90% (love to know how anyone could quantify that).

      Love to also know who they can definitively say ‘no adverse side effects’ given its only been tested for a few months, when every new (novel, not just a variant) vaccine before has to be tested for several years before being released to market. Many side effects take YEARS to develop, or in the case of thalidimide, be passed onto offspring.

      Besides, do we know what other things might be in them, given the SPECTRE oganisations (IMHO) of GAVI and the Gates Foundation, WHO and The World Economic Forum and their tech tech/social media/pharma/banks and credit card companies are all pilling in on these ‘vaccines’?

      I’m going to take my chances and wait, in case side effects do develop over a longer period or vaccines are used for more nefarious ‘control’ purposes. I also don’t trust anything coming out of the MSM at the moment, and why I unsubbed from the DT after around 20 years continuous membership/readership.

    9. I’m suspicious. A medical vaccine takes at least 9 years to produce. Given the understanding that COVID 19 is a flu variant is this just a flu vaccine with some changes?

    1. Sargon of Akkad has been covering the many likely illegal goings on on his Akkad Daily Channel. Amazing at how all the dodgy stuff always goes the Dems way and in swing states.

      1. The BBC has already elected Biden.

        Their desperate, puppy like excitement and delight is almost laughable if it were not so deeply biased.

        “Most of America has already accepted Biden as president (all the ones we’ve spoken to, and want to speak to) and Trump needs to go because we don’t like him, waaagghhh.’

        1. Amazing how they, along with their buddies in the MSM were saying no-one could do that on the other side of the political aisle. Do they know something we don’t?

        2. Wouldn’t be great if the BBC packed their bags and flew out to the US……..or any where.

  28. The Scottish family under siege. Spiked 9 November 2020.

    Much has been made of the Scottish government’s intention to make saying incorrect things in the privacy of your own home a hate crime. Justice secretary Humza Yousaf, in his defence of the proposed Hate Crime Bill, said he sees no difference between expressing ‘hate’ in public and in the privacy of your own home. Both should be criminal as far as he is concerned.

    Understandably, this bill has been recognised as a serious threat to freedom of speech in Scotland. However, it is also worth thinking about what this bill and other laws in Scotland mean for family life, personal autonomy and privacy.

    Since these laws will almost certainly be enacted in England the caveats apply here too. What it would mean is that since the measures make informers of your own family you would be at risk of being charged for saying something over the dinner table. Your children could be asked at school what their parents think. Your partner making an unwitting remark in the hearing of an agent of the Stasi. All these could lead to prosecution and would create mistrust at the most basic level of Society and inhibit the discussion of anything counter to the State Narrative. It makes 1984 look naïve since you would be convicted out of your own mouth by those you love. With the election of Biden, which will unleash the forces of Wokism, we are now entering a world of such unutterable evil that it would be scarcely comprehensible to our ancestors!

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/11/09/the-scottish-family-under-siege/

    1. Morning, Ararminta.

      Since these laws will almost certainly be enacted in England…

      You’re not intimating that Humza’s proposed action is a trial to discover if the PTB can actually run with this nonsense across the whole of the UK? Heaven forfend!

      2. Morning Korky. Nice to see you and yes this is a trial run! It is actually worse than it looks since they will make it an offence not to report it!

          1. Good morning, Dandy Front Pager

            Weren’t we all brought up to understand that the most horrible thing about communist Russia was that there was no freedom of speech and that children were expected to betray their own family and would be rewarded for doing so.

            Why is there not more of a public outcry about the desire of some people to make Britain into a police state?

    2. This is the same Justice Minister that has put in writing that the police are nothing to do with him. Police Scotland do not track and arrest muslim rapists. So there is obviously no connection.

    3. Pavlik McMorozov.
      Or, in England, Paul Frost. Sitting quietly in the corner, bursting to report your conversation at next morning’s Show and Tell at school.

    1. We must not forget that even if he was, at the time, the very worst prime minister in British history David Cameron could not defeat Gordon Brown in the general electionof 2010 and made that disastrous coalition with the Lib/Dems and Clegg in his lust for power.

        2. Are MPs banned from travel?

          The loudmouth tosser who “leads” the SNP in the Commons was there.

        3. Of course he could. SleezyJet is very reasonable, especially at this time of year. Personally, if I didn’t set eyes on Bullyboy Brown ever again it would still be too soon. I detest the sight of these service-free, grubby parasites, they cheapen the Cenotaph service.

    3. I suppose by “a great friend of Britain” he means a great friend of dissident Republicans in Norn Ireland.

  30. How could I describe the present condition of the globalist MSM?

    “Premature Ejacuelection”

  31. GP’s fighting back………..hundreds of signatures follow……

    SIR – As UK GPs, we were alarmed to see the letter (October 23) from a doctor about his work for a private GP clinic in London.

    The doctor is apparently inundated with patients who cannot see an NHS doctor face to face. This chimes with a widespread public impression that GPs are choosing to avoid seeing patients in this way.

    In fact, we have been following Government guidance, requiring us to keep patients safe during the pandemic by consulting remotely wherever possible, but we have and will always see a patient in person if that is what is needed to make a diagnosis or administer treatment.

    Many patients seem to be under the impression that GPs are not pulling their weight during the pandemic. In fact, there have been a million more patient consultations in primary care this September than in the same month last year – a 4 per cent increase – and over half of these are face to face.

    GP practices face increasing workloads due to hospital delays, the new cohort of “long-Covid” patients and rising numbers with mental health problems. This extra load on primary care is exacerbated by workforce issues, with many doctors and staff having to self-isolate.

    GPs cherish the strong relationships we have with our patients and know these are key to providing the best quality healthcare. Unfortunately, the challenges of the pandemic and a growing negativity towards GPs are straining these relationships, and letters like the one you published fuel mistrust among the general public.

    A better understanding of the real situation faced by GPs will be vital as we all navigate the immense challenges of the winter ahead.

    Dr Susannah Harris GP and hundreds more underneath….

    1. Ahh, but Dr Harris, you’re competing with the type of misinformation spread by the ‘Covid is a fraud’ mob. The fact that GP consultations are back to pre-Covid levels is an irrelevance because they’re the new nihilists.

      1. ‘The fact that GP consultations are back
        to pre-Covid levels…’

        Are you ‘avin a laff’?

        1. No, I’m basing my statement on the data, the same data quoted by the doctor. This constant claiming that facts are invented, ‘fake’ etc whenever they don’t suit a particular viewpoint, is boring.

          1. I can assure you our village surgery is not open to see patients, although
            the nurse sees some. The surgery
            in the next village [run by the same
            Doctors] has been closed since April.

          2. GP surgeries are now organised into primary care networks and each PCN has set-up separate locations at which Covid and non-Covid patients can be seen face-to-face if necessary. Most patients are now seen on line or by phone. This can legitimately be criticised as being over cautious and I’m currently working with three GP surgeries none of whom want this model to become the norm, but it is not true that the service has to all intents and purposes closed.

      2. If I was a doctor still seeing patients I too would be peeved.

        If I was a doctor not seeing patients I would keep very quiet about the matter.

        The fact that so many people are complaining, and not merely on the DT but on letters pages everywhere, rather suggests that there is a problem. My M-i-L gets seen, she is in small a minority amongst her and our friends in the same town but attending/registered with different practices.

        The letter itself tell us what the fact of the matter is, that the number of people being seen face to face is very considerably fewer than last year. This may be because doctors are following government guidelines but those guidelines are preventing proper consultatations where a physical examination, if not essential, is certainly beneficial in eliminating problems that a telephone conversation would not.

        1. I suspect GPs are being too risk adverse at the moment. However, my reading of numerous posts about this on FB groups local to where I live is there’s much support for online for many consultations – both my wife and I have had online appointments and they’re fine for what we wanted. That doesn’t mean physical consultations aren’t needed for lots of cases, but it has been demonstrated that a lot of work can be done online.

        2. If, as they claim, they are now seeing more patients, how many of those were pushed away or didn’t bother during the previous months when the surgeries were dark and silent?

          1. A significant number, I expect.

            A more pressing question might be for how many of those patients it is now too late to save them from an earlier death than they might have expected had they been seen physically, months ago.

    2. Are these doctors counting online consultations by these ‘LIVI GPs’ who don’t work at the local practice and are working for a ‘partner’ of the NHS?
      I called the local GP to make a flu jab appointment and had 3 minutes of Covid warnings followed by a “Why not see a doctor online, with our LIVI service.”
      I’ve had several letters as well as e-mails from the local surgery about it, anyone else?

    3. ‘Morning, Epi. Why couldn’t the DT sort the very long list of names alphabetically? Then I could find out if anyone from my practice participated in the competition for the longest multi-sig letter in the history of such things…

    5. My surgery discourages face to face appointments. If you do get one you have to go through the covid ritual three times before they will let you through the door and there is no chance if you’re not going to wear a mask.

  32. SIR – The Common Sense Group (59 Conservative MPs and seven peers) was formed to speak for the silent majority of voters tired of being patronised by elitist bourgeois liberals whenever issues such as immigration or law and order are raised.

    Part of our mission is to ensure that institutional custodians of history and heritage, tasked with safeguarding and celebrating British values, are not coloured by cultural Marxist dogma, colloquially known as the “woke agenda”.

    So, when National Trust directors implicitly tarnished one of Britain’s greatest sons, Winston Churchill, by linking his family home, Chartwell, with slavery and colonialism, 20 of the group wrote to the Culture Secretary requesting he review the trust’s funding applications to public bodies.

    After revelations that the National Maritime Museum, guardian of Nelson’s Trafalgar coat (pierced by a bullet on Victory’s deck) would, in light of Black Lives Matter protests, portray “multiple perspectives on history” and thus review Nelson’s “heroic status”, our group challenged the museum’s CEO, Paddy Rodgers.

    Subsequently, both the National Trust and Maritime Museum have attempted to reassure the public about their intentions, and kindly invited Common Sense Group members to visit Chartwell and the Museum.

    However, recent comments by the trust’s chairman – as ill-informed as they were unwise – prove the good judgment of the chairman of the Charity Commission, Baroness Stowell, in reminding charities that their purpose is far from involvement in the theory or practice of politics.

    History must neither be sanitised nor rewritten to suit “snowflake” preoccupations. A clique of powerful, privileged liberals must not be allowed to rewrite our history in their image.

    Sir John Hayes MP
    Lord Lilley
    Sir Edward Leigh MP
    Sally-Ann Hart MP
    Tom Hunt MP
    Imran Khan MP
    Lee Anderson MP
    Gareth Bacon MP
    Scott Benton MP
    Bob Blackman MP
    Ben Bradley MP
    Brendan Clarke-Smith MP
    Philip Davies MP
    Nick Fletcher MP
    Jonathan Gullis MP
    Andrew Lewer MP
    Chris Loder MP
    Marco Longhi MP
    Craig Mackinlay MP
    Karl McCartney MP
    Pauline Latham MP
    David Morris MP
    Andrew Rosindell MP
    James Sunderland MP
    Martin Vickers MP
    Giles Watling MP
    William Wragg MP
    Baroness Eaton
    London SW1

    Hmm…the ‘Common Sense Group’ only contains 59 (Conservative) MPs and seven Peers…is that the most they could find with this attribute?

    1. History must neither be sanitised nor rewritten to suit “snowflake” preoccupations. A clique of powerful, privileged liberals must not be allowed to rewrite our history in their image.

      Yes and what are you actually going to do about it!

    3. ‘Morning, Hugh.

      Haven’t you heard? Common Sense is not so common these days [… and it doesn’t contain much sense!].

      Common Purpose is the new zeitgeist.

      2. Our MP is not on the list. A cardboard cut-out, he will only vote with the prevailing view, or the majority.

  33. Ogga makes an excellent point below:

    If those in favour of remaining in the EU succeeded in delaying Brexit for four years then why don’t the supporters of Trump try and do the same thing and delay the time when Biden becomes president?

    I would be amazed and impressed if a British Biden supporter who had tried to overturn the Brexit vote (possible examples: May, Clarke, Grieve, etc.) admitted that they are hypocrites because they accept the democratic votes they like and do not accept the democratic votes they do not like.

    If Biden won fair and square he must be declared the winner; if it can be proved that he only won as the result of fraud then all those in favour of democracy must surely want the truth to be revealed.

    1. It’s impossible for Biden to win ”fair and square” because President Trump has been subjected to four years of globalist billionaire funded Democrat propaganda to present a grotesqely false narrative which has been far worse than anyone has previously experienced..

      Consequently, only President Trump can win this election ”fair and square”.

      There are no other ”fair and square” possibilities.

    2. Trump’s presidency ends in January. Simple as that. If the 2020 election result remains in doubt at that point, I believe the speaker steps in.

      1. Does that mean that if a fraudulent vote gives a wrong result that the person elected by that fraud remains elected?

        1. I’m hardly an expert in the US Constitution, but I think you’re confusing the end of Trump’s time in office (Jan 2021) which is set and the appointment of a new president which would require an election result signed off by the relevant bodies. So, I suspect Trump would go and someone else, possibly the Speaker, would take over in an interim capacity.

          1. President Trump won the 2020 election and proof of widespread Democrat Party fraud amounting to a vast number of votes will be presented very soon.

            Including election machine software programmed to transfer many thousands of votes from R to D.

            So get ready for four more wonderful years of President Donald J Trump !

    3. It’s impossible for Biden to win ”fair and square” because President Trump has been subjected to four years of globalist billionaire funded Democrat propaganda to present a grotesqely false narrative which has been far worse than anyone has previously experienced..

      Consequently, only President Trump can win this election ”fair and square”.

      There are no other ”fair and square” possibilities.

  35. ‘Morning Peeps.

    Today’s DT leader:

    The absence of the veterans from the annual Remembrance Day ceremony in Whitehall made the occasion a surreal one, though no less dignified and poignant. As she has done for several years, the Queen watched from a balcony overlooking the Cenotaph, with the Prince of Wales laying a wreath on behalf of the nation.

    Leading politicians, ambassadors and Armed Forces chiefs took part, along with representatives of organisations that have contributed to past conflicts. The respectful silence that is always a hallmark of this event was even more pronounced because the 10,000 veterans and crowds of onlookers were told not to come this year.

    This was a dreadful wrench for many, not least the older soldiers, sailors and airmen who may not make it to the next commemoration. But at least the familiar ceremonial remained. The massed bands of the Armed Forces played Elgar, Purcell and Handel; the two-minute silence, heralded at 11am by the chimes of Big Ben, was followed by the Last Post; the choirboys of the Chapel Royal, resplendent in their red and white livery, sang O God, Our Help in Ages Past. There was not a mask to be seen. Social distancing rules altered, but could not diminish, an event that commemorates those who have sacrificed their lives for their country.

    It is a ritual imbued with symbolism: the Crown, Parliament, the Armed Forces, the Church and the Commonwealth are among the country’s defining institutions. The Cenotaph service is first and foremost staged to honour the fallen; but it is also an act of annual renewal of the nation for which they died and whose continuation proves their sacrifice was not in vain. It was a desperate shame the veterans were not there to share it.

    BTL comment:

    Michael Cox
    9 Nov 2020 8:08AM

    It is not a “desperate shame”, it’s a diabolical outrage!

    Hear, hear Michael Cox!

    1. The more so since said veterans were free to go to bloody Tesco or Sainsbury’s (other shops are available).

    3. “It is a ritual imbued with symbolism: the Crown, Parliament, the Armed Forces, the Church and the Commonwealth are among the country’s defining institutions. The Cenotaph service is first and foremost staged to honour the fallen; but it is also an act of annual renewal of the nation for which they died and whose continuation proves their sacrifice was not in vain.” Sums up why they were so keen to prevent it, in my view.

    1. The US was saved from that Truman person. Phew! (Although, to be fair, his show was not too bad.)

      1. Would that be the same Democratic Truman who ordered the dropping of atomic bombs? The only man in the history of the world — so far — to have done so.

        1. And shortened the war by at least a year and saved millions of deaths.

          Had the Japs had the A-bomb they wouldn’t have hesitated to use it.

  37. The Almighty Dollar
    I confess – I was just watching the BBC News at One in which Dharshini David was being interviewed, presumably from her home.
    On the bookshelf behind her, prominently displayed nearest the camera, were half a dozen identical copies of a book whose title I could easily read.
    Guess what – the book was ‘The Almighty Dollar’ by, guess who, Dharshini David. Nice bit of placement by a BBC employee.

    In January 2020, she was appointed BBC News’ first Global Trade Correspondent. Looks like she wants to sell it worldwide.

        1. I fear it is supposed to.

          The wazzock who is heir to the throne did it when he skyped (or zoomed etc). The laptop was carefully arranged on a pile of books – spines towards the press which just, quite by chance, happened to have been written by him (or ghost written, of course).

  38. Biden is not the President, despite popular myth.

    “The media does not determine the outcome of the election. Governors of states will send electors to Washington DC in early December. That is the Electoral College, and their vote will decide the presidential election. So, the string of reports and stories and projections and suppositions about the new Biden administration is all part of an information operation to psychologically condition the public to accept Biden/Harris as a fait accompli.” (Gatestone Institute)

    1. Can you provide a list of instances when the members of electoral college haven’t voted as per the results in the states they represent?

      1. What’s the relevance of that?
        He’s not suggesting that electorial college members will be unfaithful, merely that until the process is complete Biden is not President.

        Biden could die before the electoral college representatives vote and if that happened he would not become President.

        1. Although I don’t wish death on Biden, that event would lead to Harris becoming President and the meltdown that would cause on this forum would be ‘interesting’.

          1. The meltdown for the world will be even more ‘interesting’.
            .
            And I suspect that she will be President long before Biden is ever likely to be given a second run, I give him a couple of years maximum, unless he remains more useful as a figurehead to his puppetmasters..

  39. The NT’s AGM sounds like fun! A lot of spleen-venting it would seem. Just for once I find myself looking forward to Wednesday’s parliamentary debate.

    From the DT:

    National Trust members have accused the charity’s board of directors of pursuing “a witch hunt into the lives of past property owners” and pursuing a “woke agenda”.

    One member condemned the Trust for “defaming” the memory of Winston Churchill in a recent report linking its properties to colonialism and slavery, while another said she was cancelling her membership because the Trust was now too “political”.

    The news came as 26 Conservative MPs wrote to The Telegraph on Monday, saying “history must neither be sanitised nor rewritten to suit ‘snowflake’ preoccupations. A clique of powerful, privileged liberals must not be allowed to rewrite our history in their image” ahead of a debate on the future of the Trust in the Commons on Wednesday.

    The Trust’s decision to publish a controversial 115-page report into the links between its properties and slavery and colonialism in September was one of the main themes of the 1,000 questions submitted by members at the weekend’s virtual annual general meeting.

    The first 20 minutes of the meeting were dominated by the row as questions from angry members were read out by the Trust’s secretary, Paul Boniface, to the online meeting.

    One member, Diana from Leicester, asked: “Why is the Trust spending ill-afforded sums on researching slavery within houses and generously gifted properties and land? The majority of members just want to see beautiful houses and gardens, not have others’ opinions pushed down their throats.”

    Another member, John from Wareham, said: “Why has the National Trust been instigating a witch hunt into the lives of past property owners? Your members wish to enjoy the properties gifted in good faith without having to endure the unfortunate woke agenda of the modern Trust management.”

    In the Trust report, Churchill’s Chartwell residence, in Kent, was highlighted alongside those of profiteers and slavers because he was a former Colonial Secretary.

    One member, Sally from Windsor, accused the Trust of “defamation of Churchill’s name in connection with slavery”, adding: “Why do this about a great man who saved this country from defeat in the Second World War amongst many other great deeds?”

    Carole from Boston asked the board: “Why doesn’t the Trust concentrate on their upkeep and stop being political? History is history – you will lose members and waste money. We intend stopping our membership.”

    Sue from Bedford asked: “Why is the National Trust pandering to the woke brigade? Will you reconsider your ill-advised foray into research that links colonialism to slavery? With the best of intentions, the result is to blacken the names of many of our heroes and horrify loyal National Trust members.”

    Hilary McGready, the Trust’s director general, defended the research into slavery and Trust properties saying: “The majority if our visitors just want to enjoy our properties – and of course they do – but there will be people who want to know more and we need to be able to respond to that as well.

    “This is a really valid thing for the Trust to do. It is in no way about shaming anybody. The money, we strongly believe, has been spent well.”

    On the reference to Churchill in the report, she added: “There was a connection – he was Secretary of State for the colonies. I trust the public to be able to hold all of that information and come to their own conclusion. We are not going to trying to hammer this into people.”

    Tim Parker, the Trust’s chairman, who was criticised for describing Black Lives Matter as a “human rights movement” in a letter last month, said: “We are not members of BLM. Our mention of Black Lives Matter is merely a reflection or our belief that we should not have a society that is racist. It is no more, or no less.

    “I hope, as time goes by, you will see that in no way the Trust has become a political organisation that has been taken over by a bunch of woke folk or anything of that nature.”

    Edit: This BTL comment is typical of the rest:

    Christopher Warren
    8 Nov 2020 9:58PM

    I no longer wish to be a member or a volunteer of the NT. I do not wish to be brainwashed by left wing activists who seem to have hijacked the organisation with a political agenda that does not accord with the NT’s aims and objects nor the views of its membership. Just look after the bloody properties for God’s sake and leave out the politics. Parker, MacGready and co must be made to stand down.

    1. Well, the NT lost me and the MR as members – which we had been (in my case) for 45 years.

      2. I doubt a man who thinks sporting a dead badger on his head is a good look is blessed with much insight.

        2. Too set in his ways……….

          I admit to this, last night we sat and watch a programme with two old people attempting to barge their way around first on the Lee navigation but because they were too advanced in years and hopelessly incapable, they were moved the to much wider and more accommodating river Thames. Good job they had their crew of many helpers in the background or some sort of disaster would have happened. And shouting doesn’t really make one sound important Gyles Brandreth.

          1. A bit disappointing – I didn’t expect Tim and Prue Mk II, but I thought they would be better – bit woke at times!

          2. I couldn’t quite understand why there are locks on a river. Unless there are rapids or tributaries joining.

    3. I’ve forgotten who it was, but I’m sure a Nottler wrote to the NT to cancel a membership and added that they had also lost a £20K donation that was in the will [wink] – brilliant ploy! That should have caused at least a little tooth sucking in NT HQ?

    1. Wonder how many will be joining in with this at Imperial War Museum?

      ‘Launching 17 November, the IWM Institute presents Refugee Nights, three virtual evenings of history,
      discussions, music and food.’

      See the ‘media partner’ is CNN. Not sure how the food element will be taken care of.

      Picture shows that this museum seemingly can hardly get enough of the refugee action.
      Even before Covid, attendances were falling rapidly presumably because visitors didn’t like what was on offer.
      Rumour has it that its finances were in a parlous state even then. Get woke go …

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a597708792c422ca00a024fdbd061ef25f5ee0843071ec3d81fd8e41f5af61fe.jpg

  42. John Ward on sparkling form:
    “Biden’s opening statements as “President” so far suggest he might be a new species, the Duckbilled Platitudinous. “I come to heal, not to condemn….it is time to unify, not divide….it is time to lower the temperature…I am humbled by the trust and confidence you have placed in me….I don’t see Red and Blue states, but a United States….It’s time to put away the harsh rhetoric….we must stop treating our opponents as our enemy.”

    Tell that to Antifa and BLM, Joe. Tell that to the hegemonist neocon military. Tell that to the monopoly financialisers and ideologues driving the USA into a country of lost jobs, artificial intelligence and divisive gay, straight, transgender, white, latino, Asian or Afro-American politics.

    Tell it to your Vice-President.

    It is at times like this when we so badly need somebody with the profile and comedic emotional intelligence of George Carlin. But the Last Great American is no more.”

    https://therealslog.com/2020/11/08/biden-crowned-by-media-acclaim/

          1. HM is extremely polite.

            As far as I’m aware she has never passed official judgement on any of the horrors that she has had to entertain, although rumour has it that her disdain for Blair and the letter box was something to behold.

      2. “Build back better
        With your Black and Decker” ?
        Catchy. I like it. Perhaps we could use it to minimise the effect of their infantile slogan.

      3. “How de do dere. I’s, Mr N’Decker, and I’s tired of you’se racist insults on de Television.
        Every night I hear:”

        Black N’Decker’s a great tool, Black N’Decker’s a great tool and I’s sick of it.

    4. Makes sense i suppose. It was his supporters who rioted, looted and burned down their cities.

      1. There is a video on Instagram showing Biden supporters kicking and punching a balloon effigy of Trump in the street. Mostly blacks and clearly deranged. This is not normal behaviour.

        1. Once upon a time a Mayor of London approved a highly insulting balloon effigy of a POTUS.

          Perhaps that’s where they got the idea.

          1. A very stupid thing to do as a mayor of a major city. He is partisan and divisive and not what we would or should expect from a mayor.

          2. He is a singularly nasty piece of work.

            Not that I had much time for Boris as Mayor, with his hare-brained schemes.

        1. It will make the Bidens and their chums richer which is what they are really in the game for.

  48. Thought for the day.

    The leftie bot that removed the up votes of right-wingers on Disqus, without showing the down votes it was making, was a trial run for the US elections.

    1. Could it be that leftist bots are the ones responsible for removing upvotes from our accumulated totals? I had 25,000 removed from my total recently and I see that anneallan now has no upvotes after 85,626 comments!

        1. Wasn’t there a hoo ha about a down voter about a year or so ago? I know my upvotes along with those of several of my Nottler friends – were reduced to zero and I was told that those with zero up-votes did not have the right to post comments on other sites.

          Anyway I amended the capitalisation and picture on my Discus avatar and started again.

          A down-voter who clearly dislikes many people, including me – has returned and is spraying down votes about freely. I must have had at least 20 over the last three or four weeks. At least now a down-voter’s identity is revealed in the same way that an up-voter’s identity is

          Anyway, the Nottler mods don’t seem to object to this fairly insignificant spite and nastiness and the the down voter clearly gets some sort of buzz from down voting and being rude so the best thing is not to respond directly.

          1. The public down vote/r is a completely different creature from the bot.
            You don’t see the downvotes on your comments, it just eats your upvotes until you go to zero and below.
            I know one of the Nottlers knows how to check, but I understand that anyone who still keeps their old profile will actually have thousands if not hundreds of thousands of down votes. I

            This in turn makes the general Disqus algorithm assume any post made on a site where you are not “known” as spam and rejects any comments you make.

            t’s very childish, but if it really could be applied to an electoral counting system, such as they have in the USA it becomes very sinister.

          2. I now make a point of downvoting everything she says. Any conversation with her where a differing view point is aired results in her calling people fools and idiots. Or worse.

            Also interesting to note who her supporters are. A misogynist and a Leftie.

          3. I think it happens more when the down-voter in question has forgotten to take the prescribed medication.

          4. Rastus – just ignore them! It’s a Disqus facility and not a matter for moderation. We all know who it is.

          5. It is noticeable, that certain people, when they have nothing better to say, revert to Jennifer-bashing & the usual posse joins in.

          6. I seldom engage with Jennifer, but if I agree with her posts I give her an upvote. She always has to have the last word, whether she is right or wrong. I just can’t be bothered.

          7. And often she doesn’t engage with the argument made, just bangs on about a point she made previously (which wasn’t addressed in the reply) about which she has a bee in her bonnet. Life’s too short!

          9. And here are the usual posse – who don’t even seem to realise that their every word would be deleted if I had dared to write it about someone else.

          11. Good afternoon Rastus.

            To be fair, I can’t really see why you get so upset about being ‘downvoted’. I’ll try to explain my reasoning. The ‘upvote’ and ‘downvote’ facility is appended on to various social media platforms in order to get an appreciation of whether or not other people agree with or disagree with a comment being made. Now, the vast majority of people reading any particular comment may choose not to vote in any way: that is, they read the comment then choose to neither ‘upvote’ it nor ‘downvote’ it. Their neutrality is not recorded but they, by a good margin, form the vast majority of those reading the comment.

            If someone ‘upvotes’ you, you can generally take it that the agree with you. By the same token, if someone ‘downvotes’ you, you may take it that they disagree with what you have said. This does not automatically make them nasty or spiteful, they just simply do not agree with what is said. This is the very cornerstone of debate.

            If, for example, you were debating in the Oxford Union; if an opposing speaker disagrees with you (i.e. metaphorically ‘downvotes’ you) it is not done through nastiness or spite; it is done in the spirit of debate.

            Not everyone on here agrees with my witterings, that is to be expected. I do not, however, think those of a different mindset are, by continuance, nasty or spiteful for not sharing my opinion; just different.

            My suggestion to you is to not let a downvote upset you; just take it on the chin that you have a debater who chooses not to ignore the ‘upvote’ and ‘downvote’ buttons (as most of us do, most of the time) and simply registers that fact.

          12. This particular downvoter downvotes him because he comments. It’s not about if she agrees or not. She has also made ‘nasty and spiteful’ comments to Rastus which were deemed beyond the pail and were removed by the Mods.

            Other than that i agree with you.

          16. Peddy seems to be distracted by hitting back, so I will point out that it should be beyond the PALE. The Pale was a fence (from which we get palings) to divide territory in Ireland (14th century).

          19. There were various, it seems. There was one round Calais as well, but the one in Ireland appears to have been the first.

          21. As Churchill said, or words to this effect “Good! You have stood up for something you believe in if you have upset someone.” Thus a downvote is a badge of honour and should be regarded as such.

      3. 326268+ up ticks,
        Afternoon S,
        Learn from history no submission to “them” tally up your own, plus it gives you an anti abbot mental workout,

          1. Most completely off the point and repetitious. Apart from fish puns, of course. They are brill.

          1. I think that’s because you made a new account some time ago and it’s the old accounts that were targetted.

      5. All our accounts went to zero in January. Some of us started new ones, including me. I seem to have lost access to my old one, though it still exists. So far, i haven’t needed to revert to that one.

      6. Total loss of votes would indicate the bot at work. Merely losing a large batch of votes means that people who gave you those votes have deleted their accounts. When the account dies, the upvotes it gave die with it.

        Back in my early days on Disqus, if a user deleted their account then you kept the votes but their name disappeared from the list under the up arrow to be replaced with ‘Guest’. Also in those days people could upvote you without logging in, those votes also showed as ‘Guest’.

        Looking back to some seven year old Copyright101 comments at the Daily Telegraph I see one with 14 upvotes – 6 are from named people plus 15 ‘Guest Votes’. Those 15 will be from people not logged in. Any votes from deleted accounts have long been removed.

        I also see an earlier version of anneallan and there is also a Pretty_Polly. Is it the same as Polly of today?

      7. Total loss of votes would indicate the bot at work. Merely losing a large batch of votes means that people who gave you those votes have deleted their accounts. When the account dies, the upvotes it gave die with it.

        Back in my early days on Disqus, if a user deleted their account then you kept the votes but their name disappeared from the list under the up arrow to be replaced with ‘Guest’. Also in those days people could upvote you without logging in, those votes also showed as ‘Guest’.

        Looking back to some old 2014 comments (as Copyright101) at the Daily Telegraph I see one with 21 upvotes – 6 are from named people plus 15 ‘Guest Votes’. Those 15 will be from people not logged in. Any votes from deleted accounts have long been removed.

        I also see an earlier version of anneallan and there is also a Pretty_Polly there back in 2014. Is it the same as Polly of today?

    2. The bot wasn’t downvoting, it was unvoting. The removal of upvotes, not the addition of downvotes.

      Downvotes don’t affect the total number upvotes showing on your account. They only affect the placing of your comment (with downvotes) in the thread where it was made, and maybe your Disqus ‘rep’.

      If you downvote a comment it doesn’t subtract one from the upvote count on the page or in your account. Unlike the bot.

      The bot systematically subtracts your upvotes and carries on until you hit zero. In fact it carries on beyond that point forever.

      This comment will give the current state of your account:

      https://www.realms.chat/t/8268912486#comment-5145586178

      As you can see, you are currently at –283,945 upvotes. This figure is quite unrelated to the number of downvotes you may have received. Also it doesn’t tell us how many upvotes you really have.

      (I see you’ve been hit. Two previous versions of me, imaginatively titled Copyright101 and Copyright201, were both wrecked by the bot so I scrapped them and started this account in January. The damage to my reputation seemed to be affecting my ability to post comments in some places)

      2. Just clicking on your links of sosraboc led me to this convo I found interesting, a little off topic:

        “Oberstleutnant says:
        April 9, 2020 at 4:21 pm
        Received on email today:
        I talked with a man today, an 80+ year old man. I asked him if there was anything I can get him while this Coronavirus scare was gripping America.

        He simply smiled, looked away and said:
        “Let me tell you what I need! I need to believe, at some point, this country my generation fought for… I need to believe this nation we handed safely to our children and their children…
        I need to know this generation will quit being a bunch of sissies…that they respect what they’ve been given…that they’ve earned what others sacrificed for.”
        I wasn’t sure where the conversation was going or if it was going anywhere at all. So, I sat there, quietly observing.

        “You know, I was a little boy during WWII. Those were scary days. We didn’t know if we were going to be speaking English, German or Japanese at the end of the war. There was no certainty, no guarantees like Americans enjoy today.
        And no home went without sacrifice or loss. Every house, up and down every street, had someone in harm’s way. Maybe their Daddy was a soldier, maybe their son was a sailor, maybe it was an uncle. Sometimes it was the whole damn family…fathers, sons, uncles…
        Having someone, you love, sent off to war…it wasn’t less frightening than it is today. It was scary as Hell. If anything, it was more frightening. We didn’t have battle front news. We didn’t have email or cellphones. You sent them away and you hoped…you prayed. You may not hear from them for months, if ever. Sometimes a mother was getting her son’s letters the same day Dad was comforting her over their child’s death.

        And we sacrificed. You couldn’t buy things. Everything was rationed. You were only allowed so much milk per month, only so much bread, toilet paper. EVERYTHING was restricted for the war effort. And what you weren’t using, what you didn’t need, things you threw away, they were saved and sorted for the war effort. My generation was the original recycling movement in America.
        And we had viruses back then…serious viruses. Things like polio, measles, and such. It was nothing to walk to school and pass a house or two that was quarantined. We didn’t shut down our schools. We didn’t shut down our cities. We carried on, without masks, without hand sanitizer. And do you know what? We persevered. We overcame. We didn’t attack our President, we came together. We rallied around the flag for the war. Thick or thin, we were in it to win. And we would lose more boys in an hour of combat than we lose in entire wars today.”

        He slowly looked away again. Maybe I saw a small tear in the corner of his eye. Then he continued:
        “Today’s kids don’t know sacrifice. They think a sacrifice is not having coverage on their phone while they freely drive across the country. Today’s kids are selfish and spoiled. In my generation, we looked out for our elders. We helped out with single moms who’s husbands were either at war or dead from war. Today’s kids rush the store, buying everything they can…no concern for anyone but themselves. It’s shameful the way Americans behave these days. None of them deserve the sacrifices their granddads made.

        So, no I don’t need anything. I appreciate your offer but, I know I’ve been through worse things than this virus. But maybe I should be asking you, what can I do to help you? Do you have enough pop to get through this, enough steak? Will you be able to survive with 113 channels on your tv?”
        I smiled, fighting back a tear of my own…now humbled by a man in his 80’s. All I could do was thank him for the history lesson, leave my number for emergency and leave with my ego firmly tucked in my rear.”

  49. Not So Good Moaning.
    The piano that belonged to my godparents has been collected and is now travelling in a lorry along the A12. I have known that piano – and hammered away on it as a winsome 3 year old – all my life. But we no longer use it and we have to be realistic about the next few years.
    On the plus side, it has gone to the Royal Hospital School and will be used by pupils there.
    As my godfather saw wartime service in the Royal Navy and then trained as a teacher, I’d like to think he would approve of my decision.
    And there is also a link with the grandchildren. So it could have been a worse destination.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0f6be17673320424a63c86df175f8cf60edad533bc543ef8cb765644a0f62b77.jpg

      1. Even this hard boiled old bat teared up as it was wheeled out of the house.
        MB, who also swallowed deeply, has already hoovered up 20 years of dust and is about to repaint the skirting board.

  50. Radio 4 – Quote Unquote on the air now. Guests; Steven Isserlis, Anna Ptaszynski, Sophie Duker. Mz Duker is a blek comedian/ienne with a head of hair like a gooliweg(sic) and famous for telling jokes about killing white people. A typical selection of the BBC’s idea of a normal British community.

    Defund the BBC – Now!

    1. The programme ended with an insulting (false) quotation “The (POW) cells are full of British officers who swore they would rather die than be taken prisoner”.

      And the elderly, who lost parents and uncles defending Britain in WW2, are forced to pay the wages of the scum who broadcast such vile defamations.

      1. They can can live TV and then there’s no need for a TV licence.

        I haven’t had one in about ten years now.

    1. Clarence Thomas is an honorable man and I am confident will act according to the law not out of spite, even if it places Biden in The White House.

      Compare and contrast with our own “Supreme Court” make it up as you go along crew.

  52. Pfizer vaccine success ‘could give us back a normal life by spring’. 9 November 2020.

    Sir John Bell, regius professor of medicine at Oxford University and a member of the Government’s vaccine taskforce, said that other vaccines were now likely to become available in the near future.

    “I am really delighted with this result – it shows that you can make a vaccine against this little critter. Ninety percent is an amazing level of efficacy,” he told BBC Radio 4’s The World at One.

    “It rolls the pitch for other vaccines because I can’t see any reason now why we shouldn’t have a handful of good vaccines.”

    Asked if people could look forward to a return to normal life by the spring, Sir John replied: “Yes, yes, yes, yes. I am probably the first guy to say that but I will say that with some confidence.”

    I caught all the headlines on the News Channels at 3 o’clock and it sounded like Pharmaceutical Christmas. Universal rejoicing. It was quite frankly creepy! This thing coming along like it was expected. Just in time to save us all. I’m not taking it!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/covid-lockdown-news-end-uk-coronavirus-cases-deaths/

      3. I’ll bet a goodly sum that the usual subjects were given a heads up before the announcments so that they could place some heavy bets in the futures and option markets.

      1. Once someone has very slowly and patiently explained to him several times what a vaccine is…

        1. Crikey Minty! Do you reckon? (Sarc off) My old man, SiL and I have just agreed on that, whispering “big pharma!”

    4. 90% you say?? Would that be the SAME 90% who barely notice the ‘Rona anyway??
      Or am I just being my normal cynical self…………
      You could inject sterile boiled water and get the same results!!
      (But not the same profits)

      3. I don’t know selling sterile boiled water would be a really big profit generator. No development costs at $100 a shot they can’t lose. A real Pfizza.

        1. Joking aside I’m with you on this, I’ve (so far) been blessed with fairly robust health and have declined my practice’s annual imprecations to increase their QOF points have a flue jab for many years now.

          2. I’ve never bothered with the flu jab before – but this year I did go and had the pneumonia one as well. Couldn’t persuade OH to go though.

            I think as the cv 19 virus is now endemic, there will be no differnce noticed this winter between flu deaths and cv ones. What we are being locked up for now is just the normal winter rise in flu. The PCR test doesn’t differentiate.

          3. There doesn’t seem to have been a great deal of ‘locking up’ in this neck of the woods this time compared with last time. Traffic levels during the day are almost at normal levels although the evenings after 6.00 pm are quieter (we live in a village with a well-known pub further down the green). Returning from our son’s home earlier this evening in Biggleswade, rush-hour traffic was at normal levels southward bound on the A1 and thence on the A505 towards Cambridge. No-one is taking this lockdown seriously except, perhaps, Tesco.

          4. It’s serious for the shops and pubs which have had to close, and may never reopen. Our local cafe is weathering the storm by doing talkeaways.
            Traffic seems to be more or less at normal levels here. I went to the post office yesterday (a five mile round trip) and there were plenty of cars in the village.

          5. “The PCR test doesn’t differentiate.”

            uh!!!!!!!???

            PCR is a technique for rapidly cloning genetic material. We then look for specific pieces of RNA that match the SARS-Coronavirus-2 virus.

            What it doesn’t differentiate between is an active infection and a past infection.
            It does differentiate between SARS-Coronavirus-2 and Influenza-A / B / C.

    6. The medicos are probably too young to remember Thalidomide. We are still paying for that disaster. It took ‘Bob’ Purchas QC to get to the bottom of that legal mess as the rats responsible denied liability. The same would happen here except Gates &Co have already been granted immunity when it goes tits up.

      Coincidentally one of his other two QC sons lives opposite me. If I should chance to meet him I shall ask him for his take on rushed vaccination trials.

        1. Well spotted. He lives in the Old Rectory behind the church and graveyard. He is eminent in planning law and saw the Crossrail Bill through Parliament.

  57. Apropos the BBCTV coverage of the Cenotaph parade yesterday. Do others share my disappointment at the sloppy commentary by Dimblebottom? Half the time he appeared not to know quite what was happening. He referred to one chap who, “joined the Navy as an instructor.” No he didn’t. He joined the Royal Navy and, in due course, became an instructor. The retired London Transport bus driver apparently was , “in Normandy in 1942”. No he wasn’t. He joined up in 1942 (the year after my birth) and was involved in D-Day.

    He said that 600,000 British personnel were killed in the Second World War and many thousands of civilians. In fact about 385,000 troops were killed in action and 70,000 civilians in all.

    The MR was listening to the Radio 4 coverage before we went to church and said that Paddy O’Connell was doing a great commentary job.

    Join the Resistance.

    1. I got “fooled again” while enjoying watching and listening to that excellent concert track. I assumed that it was fairly recent until I noticed that John ‘The Ox’ Entwistle was still alive and playing bass (he died in 2002). Apparently this video is 20 years old now, recorded in 2000. Still brilliant, though.

      1. Good , I think he will be looking for encouragement .

        When he is better he will be able to get on with his important work in his observatory .

    3. My experience is that you fully recover after bypass surgery but it about six month journey back to fit and healthy.

      Ifyou are reading this Tony, keep track of your progress on a daily basis, you may feel down some days but progress is continuous.

      Good luck.

  61. HAPPY HOUR – Cashless society – no thanks.

    This morning I joined a lengthy queue in the local supermarket.
    After five minutes I was about to give up when a loud voice shouted
    ” Anyone paying cash please come up to the till…”
    I waited, expecting a rush……nobody moved!
    I quickly made my way through the queue paid for my wares
    and headed for the exit glancing at the queue as I did so.

    The robots were still waiting……

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a85c7cf3365b015e556119704fe6d81487cb174e4bbd882b3b19a67c3cfbb2d8.gif

        1. There is a theory that many of the “Turkish barbers” that have sprung up all over Britain are outlets to facilitate money-laundering for the heroin trade.

          13. There were three within a very short distance of each other in Wallingford, one female orientated.
            On the times I’ve visited there I’ve never seen anyone in any of them.
            At least Chinese takeaways were very busy.

          15. I don’t care whether it’s true or not; I just want a good haircut, beard trim, etc.

          16. Tanning parlours was the last one I heard….

            Seriously, every now and then a cash business is the front for something nastier – and that’s been the case since (and undoubtedly before) you and I were born. But the vast majority of family businesses are just that – a means to make a living.

            None of the supermarkets in the small Marches towns have gone “card only”, they are all, thankfully, prepared to accept cash or cards as it suits their customers… which is how it should be.

        2. Certainly makes money laundering and tax evasion easier.

          Do they have a mechanical till too?

          2. It was increased just after the start of the first lockdown.

            I’m told that if the card is used too frequently it will be blocked… but I wouldn’t want to find out how much it would be possible to lose before “too frequently” occurred.

  63. Breaking Covid News – Experts reckon that once everyone has had the vaccine they will all beleive that Biden really won the election

  64. There is an Army officer on TV explaining what is being done in Liverpool.

    I find his presentation informative and professional, but very disturbing.

    2. A scripted piece designed to prevent frightening of the horses. Much blather about local boys helping the townsfolk and what a great city Liverpool is and what a privilege to have been asked to do such an important job. All to soften up the population for whatever needs to be done to them and by military means if necessary.

      1. I rather send the mean beggars into Dewsbury to sort out the nest of vipers and check mosques for weapons stores.

        1. Isn’t there a quote about the greatest tyranny occurring when it is carried out under the guise of ‘for your protection’?

  66. Is the vaccine ready this quickly, rather than the normal 10/15 years, because the virus was never as deadly as we were told.

    2. Pfizer need to cut corners to get the virus ready for use in the next few months and already some are saying there are hurdles to overcome before the vaccine can be approved. I think we should be patient.It is a novel way of producing immunity and therefore I think it should be treated with caution. Could the novel virus affect the T-cells that produce latent immunity when challenged and when required?

      1. Deliberate, or a Freudian slip, clydesider?

        Either way, it made me smile…

        “Pfizer need to cut corners to get the virus ready for use in the next few months”

    1. “We are delivering on the will of the British people.”

      Yeah, right. Just like your “promise” to end the cross-Channel trade immediately – the day you took office.

      Yer daft bint.

      2. tch tch Ndovu, there are no illegal immigrants. We signed the UN Invasion pact, which proclaims our belief that all migration is legal.

        1. I am reminded of how difficult it is to remain a good Christian in the face of such evil. Which is why i support the re-introduction of the death penalty.

          Every time his or her name is mentioned i am reminded of the utmost terror and pain those children suffered. Not to mention the ongoing lifetime agony of their families.

          1. I think you are getting him
            mixed up with the Wests,
            Phizzee; he murdered women
            and left some of them, naked,
            tied up with chains on the ‘shelves’
            in sewer pipes. It was suggested
            that one lived for seventeen days
            after being raped.

          2. Yes. I am getting them mixed up with Hindley and Brady who did prey on children.

            Time for me to go.

          5. If that were true there would be no murderers or serial rapists in jail they’d be in mental institutions. There would also be no convictions for those crimes as they’d all get off on automatic pleas of insanity.

          6. There are a lot of people in prisons who should be in other institutions – at all levels of crime. But certainly there are evil people too.

          11. It’s really not the done thing to execute. Judicial murder has no place in civilised society – and society cannot become civilised whilst it goes on.

          12. Judging by the goings-on here and in America we CANNOT be called a civilised society. Barbarism needs to be met with Barbarism.

        2. It was a bad time in and around Bradford, we also had the “Black Panther rapist”, who drilled his way through locks to gain entry to houses to rape the women.

          The Ripper was employed by one of my fellow Round Table members.

          The police made a real mess of the investigations.

          1. Yes but wasn’t that partly because
            someone forged a letter to the
            Police, which was what Sutcliffe
            did….he used to write to them,
            taunting them.

          2. It was telephone calls to Knacker at the Yard with a voice traced to the accent in Sunderland. The idiot police inspector (Jack something) became obsessed with the Sunderland taunts and lost the plot. I recall Sutcliffe operated in Sheffield prostitution districts and on one occasion in Roundhay Park in Leeds.

            I remember Grizz recalls some of this because he patrolled the streets around about the time of the perpetration of the atrocities and his force apprehended the bastard.

          3. Also one occasion in Headingley, Leeds, a quiet road which ran parallel to Shaw Lane. I know because I was living there at the time.

          5. I believe so, the Mainstream Press reporting at the time didn’t help.

            My next door allotment holder was editor of the Bradford Telegraph and Argus, his observations were always illuminating.

          8. I was working shifts (computer stuff) at the time and regularly travelled from Shipley to Clayton in the early hours of the morning. Not uncommon to be stopped 3 or 4 times by police asking where we were headed.
            Strange times.

          10. I have no idea.

            He has spent so much time in Broadmoor that one must conclude he was and is completely insane.

          11. I suspect he’s been de-radicalised and will be out on parole, due to ill-health and his ability to spread the WuFlu.

    3. I’ve never wished that anyone should die.
      However, I am prepared to make an exception in his case.

    4. They should let some of the victims’ relations in to visit him for half an hour, in private.

    5. After I had explained an intended dental procedure to my German patients, they often asked, “Will it be painful, Herr Doktor?”
      “Not for me,” was my usual reply. Wry smiles all round. “Ach, Herr Doktor, Sie haben den englischen Humor!”

  71. That’s me for this remarkably mild day. Up to 15º this arvo. A nice e-mail from a long standing French pal in Laure moaning about the “confinement” and that the French govt doesn’t know what it’s doing and has no idea what to do next. Sound familiar?

    Glass in hand.

    A demain.

      1. …and with us, it is going to be a 98 Hectare (242 acres) Solar ‘Farm’ they call it. It’s an eyesore, a blight and will only produce a (stated) 49.9Mw so that it may be passed cheaply at District Council level. At 50Mw and above it requires approval from the Secretary of State. So bloody obvious but we will resist it, tooth and nail.

    1. This is so scary but says exactly what I’ve been thinking for some while. I keep hoping that people will take off their masks, kick back, refuse to go this way round the shop but see no sign of it happening. Our freedom is being given away and so few seem to realise it. We will be controlled to the nth degree and we won’t be able to do anything or go anywhere without proof of vaccination.

      1. Well I booked my next trip to Kenya in September for next March, and barring airline cancellations I will be going. It will be a pain having to show a negative test certificate beforehand, but hopefully quick testing at the airport will have expanded by then.

        I refuse to be cowed and beaten by these liars and charlatans and will do my best to live life as normal. There has been no queuing in our local Morrison’s since the summer. I put my leopard mask on before I walk in and whip it off as soon as I’m out. I shop much more quickly than I used to.

        1. That’s a great something to look forward to, well done you. I don’t waste time shopping either, in and out asap, but Alf likes to look around. He’s unique I reckon, actually likes shopping!

          2. When I was playing rugby in the area, particularly around March, we always joked that the opposition would have green stomachs and webbed feet.

            HG packed my kit (for the one and only time) and forgot to put in my boots. I ended up playing in Wellingtons which luckily I had in the boot of the car.

            As it turned out the pitch was so wet and slippery Wellingtons were not a bad option.

          3. There is a church in March with an exquisite hammer beam roof carved with angels. It inspired the composer Finzi on his visit there.

            There is a similar roof in a church in Needham Market, probably by the same mediaeval carpenters.

          5. The mind boggles. I am always amazed and in awe of the architects, engineers and workmen who built the Egyptian pyramids, Roman amphitheatres, viaducts, aqueducts, and defences, Christian cathedrals and European castles and city defences, all with relatively primitive equipment and scientific knowledge.

      1. Dominion machines have long been suspect. The unfortunate Canadians use them hence the election of mafioso Trudeau’s ignorant son.

        I read somewhere that Lord Malloch Brown has an interest in another counting machine outfit supplying the US and he virtually sleeps with Soros for goodness sake. A pattern of foul play is emerging. God bless President Trump.

        The BBC keep referring to Biden as President Elect. He is no such thing. The votes have not been counted and many states are facing legal challenges over irregularities and visibly fraudulent activities by Democrats.

        I hope Creepy Joe, his son Hunter, Pelosi, Obama and the Clintons face their day of reckoning. Comey and James Baker too. Oh and Bill Gates and his evil wife.

      3. Politicians with a finger in the pie, profiting from government contracts. Whatever next?

        So come on, outside of the raving twittersphere, where is the proof of wrongdoing?

        By the way the REPUBLICAN lieutenant Governor of Georgia is saying that there is absolutely no evidence of fraud.

          2. Thank you; I still can’t listen to much classical singing, as it overloads my emotions, but that was safely unoperatic. Beautiful control of vibrato from both of them, unsurprisingly. It’s so difficult to produce a similar tone to the other voice at the beginning, but utterly necessary for this piece, so it’s lovely to hear it done so well.

          4. Lorraine Hunt Lieberson is my favourite Theodora so far, but even thinking about listening to her sing has me in tears. Silence it is.

    2. The young piper in “more Videos” wearing the the yellow skirt and playing Amazing Grace with the Barcelona pipers was excellent too.

    4. That brings back memories. Wandering alone down to the lighthouse. Not a soul within sight nor sound – and Chesil Beach where I saw one of Barnes Wallace’s prototype bouncing bombs, probably the one that was filmed bouncing out of the water and heading straight for the camera, and further along, near Abbotsbury Swannery, a piece of the backbone of an ichthyosaur. Happy days.

  79. Evening, all. I hope there is a mass passive resistance on Wednesday with people turning out to commemorate the Armistice.

    1. If there was a Biden “fix”, it was already in weeks ago.

      The vaccine announcement would have made no difference whatsoever.

      1. There was no link between votes cast and Covid hotspots during the election. Biden simply hung his hat on Covid to try to discredit Trump.

        Had Trump ignored Fauci and fired him it would have been welcomed by most Americans. Fauci looks like a creep, sounds like a creep and ergo is a creep. Similar to those two cretins advising Bojo.

        1. In my view Biden & Co ran a very subtle but very crooked campaign.

          Trump didn’t help himself, but as I wrote, the fix was in weeks ago.

          It’s a minor miracle Trump got as close as he did.

        3. Maybe Republicans would have applauded, Democrat voters would have been even more outraged.

          With US COVID counts reaching 10,000,000 today, more than a few would questioning moves to fire Fauci.

          1. The actual number infected is pretty unimportant. It’s the numbers who are seriously ill that matters.

          2. 56,000 of those in hospital are tagged as covid cases, 500 deaths yesterday were ascribed as covid.

            Ten deaths per state doesn’t sound very many does it? I am sure there are more murders in some of the big cities.

          3. At least my local rag reported three deaths “WITH covid”. Elsewhere there were reports of deaths FROM covid, which I doubt very much.

          4. I suppose MIL could be classified as with covid. She was old and declining as slowly as most in their late nineties would do. Covid took her in a week but at that age there are always other things not quite tickedy boo allowing the with get out..

            I wonder how many flu or pneumonia deaths are solely the result of the primary cause.

          5. Precisely. Comparatively few die but deaths are being ascribed to Covid when in most instances thy are normal for this time of year. The Covid pandemic is an international hoax devised and implemented by Gates, Soros and the World Economic Forum ‘master race’ to deceive and subjugate the nation states.

            We saw it with Hitler, we saw it with Stalin and we saw it with the Chinese Communist Party.

            As Trump has said in his reiteration of Stalin, it cares not for whom you vote but who is doing the counting.

            Here the counting is being done by machines easily tampered with by software ‘fixes’. It is so bloody obvious that nobody but a fool would draw another conclusion from what we have all seen.

            The American people are not stupid and a reckoning will eventually occur, otherwise we are all lost and might just as well book a flight to Switzerland and appointment with Dignitas, so helpfully suggested by our Health Secretary Matt Hancock. The man (?) is a bloody disgrace and fit only for a firing squad.

      2. I think the fix is a Trump fix, he didn’t just load the supreme court to favour the religious right.
        Kavanaugh is already talking about how unacceptable it would be for the overnight leader on Nov 3rd to lose the election after all remaining votes are counted. Never mind state laws that give the post office time to deliver postal votes or time taken by the electoral office to count the votes.

        If the Supreme Court are going to go political, Trump wins and will probably start a civil war.

        2. There are too many inconsistencies. How to explain the Trump advances in both Congress and Senate. Florida set the tone of the way this election was going. Every advance was halted so abruptly and the reversals sudden and in such massive numbers that it looks suspicious and needs to be checked.

          1. it will still end up in tears before it is all over.

            Hopefully the answer to the conundrum is that people are at heart conservatives but just could not face four more years of Trumps personality.

            If Trumps legal challenges come to light, time will tell.

          2. That is the Democrat narrative viz. people voted on the perceived personality of Donald Trump. I think if so they are misguided because Biden and Pelosi are obviously crooks in the mould of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

        3. The civil war was launched years ago and it wasn’t by Trump.

          1964 was the last time a majority of white voters voted Democrat. Over 50% of white voters always go Republican.

          Meanwwhile everyone else – blacks, asians, jews, muslims, arabs, hispanics all vote majority Democrat always.

          It’s hardly a stretch to see the white population as the real Americans but from 1968 to 2020 any time the Democrats win, that’s because just enough disaffected white liberals/leftists ally themselves with the sullen, non-white white minorities to impose their own government.

          That’s a good basis for civil war right there. Why should the historic, core white population who created the USA have to tolerate these ingrates from their failed states to rule over them? Ditto for us here in Blighty.

          Why is Kamala Harris not in India or Jamaica?

          The next problem is these ingrates grow their numbers constantly via immigration. Before too long there will be enough of them to swing every election. Again, why should actual Americans tolerate this?

        4. The civil war was launched years ago and it wasn’t by Trump.

          1964 was the last time a majority of white voters voted Democrat. Over 50% of white voters always go Republican.

          Meanwwhile, everyone else – blacks, asians, jews, muslims, arabs, hispanics all vote majority Democrat always.

          It’s hardly a stretch to see the white population as the real Americans but from 1968 to 2020 any time the Democrats win, that’s because just enough disaffected white liberals/leftists ally themselves with the sullen, non-white minorities to impose their own government.

          That’s a good basis for civil war right there. Why should the historic, core white population who created the USA have to tolerate these ingrates from their failed states to rule over them? Ditto for us here in Blighty.

          Why is Kamala Harris not in India or Jamaica (or indeed Africa)?

          The next problem is these ingrates grow their numbers constantly via immigration. Before too long there will be enough of them to swing every election. Again, why should actual Americans tolerate this?

          1. Why is Harris not in India or Jamaica? Well perhaps because she was born in the US and is American.

            As for your rant that only the white population are real Americans, such racist bullshit is what gives true conservatives a bad name.

          2. Why is Harris not in India or Jamaica? Well perhaps because she was born in the US and is American.

            And were her parents even US citizens or merely resident?

            Where you were born is only part of your identity. I doubt she even regards herself as ‘American’. More of a bitter, angry, ingrate with a confused identity.

            Does anyone think Cliff Richard is Indian because he was born in India? Of course not. His identity is British, not Indian.

            As for your rant that only the white population are real Americans

            Most people are not as confused, when asked to picture an ‘American’ they think of a white person first. Unless they’ve perfected Orwell’s Crimestop.

            “The mind should develop a blind spot whenever a dangerous thought presented itself. The process should be automatic, instinctive. Crimestop, they called it in Newspeak. . . . He set to work to exercise himself in crimestop. He presented himself with propositions—’the Party says the Earth is flat’, ‘the Party says that ice is heavier than water’—and trained himself in not seeing or not understanding the arguments that contradicted them.”

            such racist bullshit

            ‘Racist’ is a communist word deliberately designed to destroy us. It doesn’t have an objective meaning – as we can infer from the way the political/media complex treats the levels of violence and criminality, among other things, directed at whites by non-whites compared to to the reverse.

            gives true conservatives a bad name

            And what are these ‘true conservatives’? Are these the useless, emasculated losers who have stood aside while the left and it’s non-white proxies gradually trample over the white, western world. What have they conserved exactly?

            Trump represents the most minimal pushback imaginable and yet so-called ‘conservatives’ are gleefully joining their leftist allies in sticking the knife in.

          3. Mark pointed out that about 32 million ‘white’ Americans voted for Biden. As we know the ‘white’ category includes the Middle East/Central Asia/North Africa.

            In addition to anything leftover from Black/Latino/Asian which just gets lumped into ‘white’ as well. For example, a significant percentage of Latinos (about 30%) describe themselves as ‘mixed race’. Yet they are accounted for as ‘white’ by the Census bureau and presumably for voting purposes too. That’s just one example.

            These categories tend to vote Democrat above all. There are easily millions of MENA voters, millions of mixed-race Latinos and so on.

            So they are all bound to make up at least 50% if not more of the Democrat ‘white’ vote.

            My guess is that if you were to extract out solely the European-American vote, it would skew heavily Republican, at least by 70%.

          4. Mark pointed out that about 32 million ‘white’ Americans voted for Biden. As we know the ‘white’ category includes the Middle East/Central Asia/North Africa.

            In addition to anything leftover from Black/Latino/Asian which just gets lumped into ‘white’ as well. For example, a significant percentage of Latinos (about 30%) describe themselves as ‘mixed race’. Yet they are accounted for as ‘white’ by the Census bureau and presumably for voting purposes too. That’s just one example.

            These categories tend to vote Democrat above all. There are easily millions of MENA voters, millions of mixed-race Latinos and so on.

            So they are all bound to make up at least 50% if not more of the Democrat ‘white’ vote.

            My guess is that if you were to extract out solely the European-American vote, it would skew heavily Republican, at least by 70%.

      3. 326268+ up ticks,
        S,
        Months maybe, as with the Brexitexit much of what is showing now is running to program.
        Instance= in my book may was the chosen one prior to the farce,
        programmed.

    2. no way would they delay. How much money are they set to make by being the first vaccine on the market?

      To hell with you politicos boys, we are looking at real money here.

    3. Uncle Joe Stalin in charge of the count.

      It’s not who votes that counts.

      It’s who counts the votes.

  81. I posted a comment in the Scotsman in response to an idiotic article by one of their journalists.
    “Face masks are useless. Any mask that stops viruses stops air. Oxygen deprivation will occur if one wears a mask for any length of time. This will happen with schoolchildren as well as adults. Oxygen deprivation causes permanent irreversible brain damage.
    Read the actual science. Don’t believe columnists and politicians. Don’t believe me. Do your own research. Read what is written on the box that the mask came in. Use search engines. Read British Medical Journal articles.”
    The editorial/moderators deleted it.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/covid-why-scotland-needs-campaign-get-people-wear-face-masks-properly-laura-waddell-3024808

    1. I have just sent off for an oximeter to test for oxygen deprivation, although I do not wear a mask, I am a conscientious objector as from 2 weeks ago with acute anxiety with one of those things on my face. I will report back.

    3. Here are some extracts. I think Laura Waddell has ‘issues’…

      I wrote an earlier draft of this column filled with swearing, after finding myself on a bus alongside three middle-aged men letting their noses hang out. It was so angry I had to scrap it and write about something else entirely. But this is how I feel. Those not wearing masks properly are sending out a massive ‘f*** you’ to everyone around them who has to breathe in the same air.

      I resent them, in the same way I resent those who manspread on public transport or take up seats with bags, but rather than just inconveniencing others by using shared public space in a selfish way, the consequences of spreading this god-awful virus are deadly serious.

      Recently, scientists in Brazil linked not wearing a mask to antisocial personality traits: “callousness, deceitfulness, hostility, impulsivity, irresponsibility, manipulativeness, and risk-taking.”

      Like a flasher intent on letting their anatomy hang out in the breeze for all to see, there’s something phallic about all these noses poking out.

      2. Wonderful, wonderful, journalism.
        (The Scotsman always ask one to take out a subscription. They are delusional. Last time I was able to check their circulation on ABC before ABC started to ask for payment (6 years ago?), daily figures were down to about 10k and sinking like the Titanic. Only kept afloat by institutional buyers. The website as you will have noted is swamped with adverts.)

      3. Laura Dearie. Men have their genitals on the outside and it can get rather uncomfortable if they keep their legs closed all the time.

        Also sweet cheeks you might want to get some therapy to sort out your obsession with penises.

          2. Perhaps someone could write a riposte to her explaining how men find it infuriating when, at a supermarket checkout, the lady in front suddenly discovers that she has to pay for the items which she has taken ten minutes to pack – then spends another ten minutes locating her payment card, then the loyalty card, then changes to another card….(an infinitum). And then remembers she’d like some cashback….

            (Takes cover).

          3. You’ve forgotten to mention that such shoppers remember their accumulated vouchers at the last possible moment, many of which turn out to be outdated.

  83. Good night all.

    The new Nigella series is off to a poor start. I didn’t find any of the dishes remotely appetising.

    1. I really enjoyed “Two Greedy Italians” – Carluccio and Gennaro seemed to be having fun, the food was wonderful, just wanted to be there with them.

        1. Some years ago, don’t recall when. We get these programmes after a noticeable delay.

          2. I’m looking forward to trying Nigella’s bavette steak from her outgoing series.

            https://www.google.co.uk/search?sxsrf=ALeKk01g73OyciU_MiVfgXNhc5WGkn26bw%3A1604769460561&source=hp&ei=tNamX4iyH7aGjLsP4NK4yAE&q=nigella+bavette+steak+recipe&oq=nigella+bavette+steak&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgBMgUIABDJAzICCAAyBggAEBYQHjoHCC4QJxCTAjoECCMQJzoECC4QJzoICC4QyQMQkQI6CwgAELEDEIMBEJECOgsILhCxAxDHARCjAjoFCC4QsQM6BQgAELEDOg4ILhCxAxCDARDJAxCRAjoFCC4QkQI6BAgAEEM6DQguELEDEMcBEKMCEEM6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToHCC4QsQMQQzoCCC46DgguELEDEIMBEJECEJMCOhEILhCxAxCDARDJAxCRAhCTAjoKCC4QsQMQgwEQQ1CMF1jEVmCahQFoAHAAeACAAZQBiAHCDJIBBDE4LjOYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=psy-ab

    2. Banana skin and cauliflower curry didn’t do it for me – nor chocolate and tahini gloopy stuff!

        2. Tahini or tahina is a condiment made from toasted ground hulled sesame. It is served by itself or as a major ingredient in hummus, baba ghanoush, and halva. Tahini is used in the cuisines of the Levant and Eastern Mediterranean, the South Caucasus, as well as parts of North Africa. Wikipedia

        3. I feel physically sick when I smell tahini, which isn’t good! Sesame oil and seeds have the same effect!

          1. if I wanted sesame seeds, I would ask for a Macdonalds burger with the famed sesame seed bun.

            Well if you are going to be sick, let’s do it without style.

  85. Something cheerful before you go to bed.

    A police officer turned up at my door this morning.
    “Do the letters TG mean anything to you?” He said.
    “No.” I said.
    “What about RP?”
    “No, means nothing to me.” I said.
    “How about AH?” He asked.
    “Look,” I said “am I suspected of something?”
    “No sir.” He replied “These are just initial enquiries.”

    1. Very corny, Alf. But a good way of heading for bed with a smile on my face. Thanks and a good night’s sleep to you and to all NoTTLers.

  86. I thought that Antifa supported Biden because they hate Trump. How wrong I was! They hate Biden too!

    News item from Portland “Apparently not content with what they believe to be Trump’s defeat, they also want to defeat the party that has stood back and allowed them to destroy the city nearly ever night over the past 5 1/2 months. There are initial reports of upwards of 10 windows smashed out (in a Democrat HQ building), with “no presidents” and “ACAB” spray painted on the building”.

    (ACAB = All Cops Are Bastards).

    No President and no cops – a recipe for a perfect socialist paradise!

    1. Just as BLM is not a movement against racism. Antifa is not a movement against fascism. Both groups are anarchist and wish to destroy. Not build.

    1. Thanks, Maggie – and other “tweeters”. Please keep us posted on Tony’s progress.

    2. Antonello Guerrera (Guardian mouthpiece) Drunk in charge of a biro,

      Sir John: “I do find it surprising that – in the midst of the Covid crisis – the Government appears to be fostering disputes with the Judiciary, the Civil Service, upon whose help the Government depends; and the BBC, still the most respected broadcaster on the planet”

      Which idiot closed nearly all of the lunatic asylums in the UK? Obviously shít scared he would end up in one. Guerrera is a prime candidate for incarceration.

      1. “..the most respected broadcaster on the planet” In all my travels over the world in the Army and the gas and oil industry, I am often told how lucky we are to have the Premier League. It is undoubtedly a well recognised brand.

        I have yet to be told how wonderful the BBC is.

        2. We think we have the best NHS in the world.

          All I can say is that in my experience the French medical service is better.

    4. “Nostalgia is bad” says a man who yearns for the days when he played at being PM and imagined he was influential in the world.

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