Saturday 27 September: ID cards will intrude on citizens’ lives while failing to tackle illegal migration

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475 thoughts on “Saturday 27 September: ID cards will intrude on citizens’ lives while failing to tackle illegal migration”

      1. A very big fear that is becoming less of a fantasy with every announcement by this Government.

        1. I was semi-joking.
          I think we may reach the stag where home visits by GPs are not a good omen.
          Dr. Shipman was merely ahead of his time.

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    Cabinet Tensions Over Starmer’s Panicked Digital ID Rollout

    Starmer’s mandatory digital ID cards plan is already facing fierce opposition. There is potential that this could extend into the inner-circle…

    Energy Secretary Ed Miliband was vocally opposed to ID cards during his time as Labour leader. In 2010 he declared “I’m not in favour of ID cards” and “I don’t think the case is strong enough to persist with it.” A year later he said “we were wrong on ID cards”. Red Ed has remained noticeably quiet since Starmer announced the plans…

    Housing Secretary Steve Reed is also on record describing Gordon Brown’s 2009 commitment to not introduce compulsory ID cards as “good stuff.” Another one who has been keeping quiet…

    As Guido reported last week, Miliband and his team have been accused of trying to undermine Starmer’s authority. The former Labour leader is not supporting Downing Street’s candidate Bridget Phillipson in the upcoming deputy leadership contest, instead choosing to back Lucy Powell. Red on (r)Ed trouble brewing…

    September 26 2025 @ 16:00

    13 hours ago
    Things are getting better by the hour it seems. I can’t wait for the conference to start next week! By my reckoning a GE is still possible before the end of term in December. 😂

    Herr Oberst
    12 hours ago
    The Blob and the Politburo wouldn’t permit a General Election …. they are working on ways to prevent General Elections in the UK, and you can bet your Personal Tax Allowance that it will be something along the lines of protecting Democracy from Reform.

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    12 hours ago
    I was thinking that myself, however the visit to the BoE by Nigel was bigger than people realise. He’s also been holding talks with civil servants at higher level, I believe. Even the civil service have to pay bills and have mortgage costs and let’s face it, Labour has become a toxic brand.

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    TTrimdon Tone
    11 hours ago
    The BOE and civil service and public services in general have been hopelessly infiltrated by leftists. The only reason they are talking to Reform is to understand better how to impede them.

    1. I was with a group of political nerds yesterday.
      There's a feeling that the local elections will be "postponed" again for a some spurious – but reasonable sounding – excuse this coming May.
      It will probably be selective again; any area where Labour is likely to be heavily defeated will suddenly be scheduled to become a unitary authority. Failing that, a "national emergency" should cover things nicely.

    2. I do not believe that Red Ed Milliband has a single principle that isn't up for sale to the global parasite class therefore I am very wary of him appearing to be on the side of the people.

    1. It's Netanyahu's agents provocateurs that are promoting jihad, and every one of his actions and his determination to keep up his war on the Gentiles indefinitely, in order to sustain his own immunity to prosecution, that is being appeased by America.

      He is not the solution, and even less the final solution; he is the problem.

      What is the point of a QR code for those who refuse to possess devices that can read them? Is he appealing to the tech-compliant aka the stupid?

      His apologists lie with paranoia when they argue that "wiping Israel off the map" means nuking Jerusalem. The actual method is relying on Israel being so disgraced and betraying the very principle upon which the UN granted it nation status in modern times, that the call to restore the status quo ante becomes irresistable. This must lead to renaming the place 'Palestine'. It is Netanyahu more than any other person or organisation, that must be held responsible, and Jews have every right to feel betrayed.

      It is not too late to reverse this, but as world leaders point out, any deliverance into the clutches of the jihadis must be resisted. Come the hour, come the Christian.

          1. Every post regarding this issue that you make either supports directly or indirectly Hamas, and those funding and equipping Hamas and all the other anti-Israel groups throughout the Muslim world.

            Recognising a Palestinian State has rewarded terrorism.

      2. Some truth in here…a few years ago I saw one of Netanyahu's early campaign posters, from the early 80s iirc…where he was trying to get people's votes by fearmongering and presenting himself as the only leader that could save them. I know a lot of israelis can't stand him.

    1. What would happen if one million british people arrived at Wastemonster and forced their way in and man handled the idiots inside until they admitted that they were all wrong ?

      1. Precisely my reaction.
        If Stoma is pi55ing off his long term, dyed in the wool pols, he's cloth-eared beyond our wildest imaginings.

    2. Bloody hell! Clive Lewis, of all people, on the right side of an argument.

      Is he sincere on the principle or simply viewing it as a cynical act of self-preservation for the Labour Party?

  13. Good morning, chums. And thanks, Geoff, for today's new NoTTLe site. Alas, I failed completely with Wordle today.

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      1. Occasionally, I dip into the DT's CrossAtlantic crossword.
        It's the references to minor American actors, slightly different word meanings or specific sayings that cause the greatest angst.

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    4. The word is not in the Pocket Oxford Dictionary although it has a familiar ring to men like me who, as boys, read comics.

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  14. Morning all,

    Still waiting for technician to finish fixing boiler which hangs fire up soon after ignition.

    MOH turned on 5 Select channel by mistake last night where there was a programme about the Tower o London.

    The presenter reported that when the Tower of London was King Henry V's fortified tower for the protection of the City of London the inhabitants got fed up with the King for allowing too many immigrants into the city.
    The inhabitants revolted through the city causing damage and fires to property which invoked the military to open fire on the crowd and the revolting leaders were hanged.

    Sounds familiar?

  15. Good morning all. A cool 11°C with a broken overcast and not a lot of wind.
    Letter & BTL Comment:-

    SIR – I have lived in two countries, Denmark and Portugal, with identity cards.

    In my experience, they are not a threat to civil liberties but a secure method of efficiently accessing many government services.
    The scheme has the potential to significantly reduce fraud here, with consequent savings in public expenditure.

    However, it will not have a significant effect on illegal working, and therefore the pull factor for many small-boat crossings. There are currently numerous requirements that must be met before employing someone. An employer needs a P45 – which shows an individual’s tax history and NI number – as well as their full name, date of birth, sex and address of the person in question. Employers that ignore these requirements are equally going to ignore the need for an ID card.

    Overall, I support the introduction of such cards, but not for the reasons espoused by the Prime Minister.

    Iain Stewart
    Setúbal, Portugal

    R. Spowart
    16 min ago
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    Regarding ID Cards, Iain Stewart writes from Portugal, "In my experience, they are not a threat to civil liberties but a secure method of efficiently accessing many government services."

    That may be currently so in Portugal, but how many trust our Government not to abuse them?

    1. Again. He misses the point. He is talking about identity cards. This shambles of a government wants digital identity cards.

      Still. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear, right? Lol.

    2. We already have ID cards, in the form of driving licence, passport or two utility bills. Why the need to digitise it, bearing in mind the problems we still have from Horizon to Jaguar Land Rover, and the Net Zero implications of rolling out massive power-hungry AI processing?

      All we need is two unique reference numbers that are verified by two different routes, unconnected in any way, least of all digitally, and certainly not via central Government systems. These are routinely monitored for infiltration. It would be very hard for anyone to compromise both systems at the same time.

      Starmer's proposition is akin to Universal centralising their entire archive, along with the backup on one building in California, which then burnt to the ground. Nearly all of the original recordings of 20th century jazz were lost. Nobody had the wit to put the backup somewhere else. Contrast this with the fire of the Aardman studios in Bristol that destroyed its archive. Fortunately, the backup copies of their productions were kept elsewhere and were safe.

      The two numbers can be written on a scrap of paper, since verification is the key, not the actual document bearing the numbers.

      1. Universal released a statement in March 2020 which attempted to reassure music lovers that the damage to its archive was nowhere near extensive as headlines had been suggesting. However, reading between the lines, it looks very much as if copies located elsewhere would be needed to fill the gaps. The statement seems more like an attempt at damage limitation to Universal's reputation.

        https://www.musicweek.com/labels/read/very-few-original-recordings-destroyed-in-2008-fire-universal-claim/079119

        Now, it's easy to become very precious about the distinction between a master recording and archived copies, as very few of the general public would ever be afforded the opportunity to listen to these masters and their copies in circumstances in which a rather different listening experience would bring fresh joy to hearing much loved but very familiar recordings.

        To those of us who listen on old vinyl, worn out musicassettes, or compressed digital copies on CDs, Spotify, YouTube or any other medium, such as radio, we're never going to hear the recordings in quite the same way as those who did so when they were first made.

        Nonetheless, any losses in that fire are saddening as some might never have been made publicly available before and those held as copies elsewhere might be in a mixed form, no longer capable of being remastered from multi-track originals.

        Whether technology such as that used by Giles Martin on later Beatles recordings can come to the rescue, I don't know. He and his technicians were able to de-mix late sixties eight-track masters to separate out different instruments and voices held on each of the eight. The current technology has limitations.

    3. A simple card like my driving licence is not an issue. What is proposed is total surveillance and being forced to have every detail of life on a mobile phone. Ripe for identity theft.

    4. Iain Stewart needs to understand that what is being proposed is NOT id cards as they have them on the Continent. It is a little personal database just for you with ALL your information on it so that the government can ensure that your bank card is frozen if you haven't had your latest jab (for example). That's completely different and open to abuse by the authorities.
      Similar digital id systems have already been abused in China during covid.
      Apologies for repeating this information over and over again but I do so here in case Iain Stewart looks in to see if there was any comment on his letter.

      1. Another example of the digital id; in Germany, they already have plastic id cards. The digital id is being introduced as a "digital health insurance card". It's the same digital id as Starmer is proposing.

        In other words, it is a new product that is not the same as the id card.

  16. Super-interesting podcast from Benjamin Boyce’s Calmversations with “Dr P”, a very sensible (black) woman who is being “doxed” for her “gender-critical” views (but who would castigate me, rightly, for using the Left’s terms). One of her views is that our politicians have no idea about the cultural problems they are importing; she spent 5 years in Qatar so has some insight.

    ““That's the first thing. That's the first thing. But I think having lived in the Middle East for a number of years and having tried to do therapy with people there and giving up because the culture was so different, I don't think the politicians understand.

    They have no understanding of how Islam particularly governs every aspect of their thinking and how different, how different that shapes. I'm studying Arabic at the moment. I can see just by the language, how the language shapes your thinking.

    And I think they haven't got a clue. And I had a friend who was when I was in Qatar, she wanted to get her friends to come for a family wedding. And they were Palestinian.

    And they were not allowed to set foot in Qatar. They had to go and do this reception somewhere. They had to go somewhere in the Mediterranean because they just weren't allowed.

    They weren't allowed. And they said it would affect their culture, that they wouldn't let the Palestinians in. And this one woman who was just going for a family wedding was not even allowed to transit through Qatar.

    Wow.

    I think they have “no understanding of the Gulf, of cultural, every, just the way you, the aspect, the whole way they look at the world is very different. And it's completely shaped by this belief in Islam. And we lost that sort of religious fervor maybe 400 or 500 years ago, but you people still have it.”

    and

    “But again, these are people that are coming into Europe by the millions. And even when they say, I was just talking to somebody about this the other day, because I had to see a lady last week who's a refugee. And people say, where are the women and children?

    And why is it always young men? And even the women and children, in fact, they're more damaged. If you're lying to women and children, then they're here because they have suffered huge trauma.

    I've worked with women and children, people raped. I was working with someone last week, his uncle, he was sold to her uncle, da-da-da-da-da, from Sudan. And these women and children, who we look on sympathetically, are coming with enormous, enormous packages of psychological problems, the least of which is PTSD.

    They've all had sexual trauma, they've had kids taken away from them. So even the women and children who we can accommodate and help have, are coming with so much burdens and baggage, you know?

    And that will reverberate through your society, as your society absorbs them.

    Absolutely, absolutely. You have behavioural children, parenting problems, you know, put them on parenting “courses, then you're trying to map, as we talked about culture, you're trying to map a Western cultural style of parenting onto these people from Afghanistan or South Africa or wherever. It's not going to work.

    The two things can't work together. Our culture is just too different.

    Yeah, the hubris of the Western mind is going to be its downfall if it doesn't learn a little humility.

    And the hubris of trying to reorganize biological sex, I mean, we're literally playing gods. I was just looking just now at the picture at King's College Hospital, your pregnancy journey, and one of them is a man or a male figure. It was clear to be pregnant.

    It's insanity. It is insanity.

    Yeah.

    We are literally, I'm not particularly religious, but we are literally trying to play god. We have decided that male, female, children, that's not how things work. We're trying to rewrite our own biology.

    Yeah, and importing people with a radically different point of view while castrating our own, it's like, it's just civilizational suicide on all these different vectors.

    Absolutely. And I think what makes it more dangerous is, you know, I talk about every time I go to London, I have to use the loo, and I'm thinking, is there a man in there? That's one aspect of it.

    But the other side of it is the failure of the institutions to have stood, to stood guardian to our values, and to what is right and wrong, just basic biological reality. It's a failure of the institutions, the police, the doctors, everything from… I went to Kew Gardens last year, and they were talking about queer roses.

    Everything has been corrupted.”

    From Calmversations: s08e06 | Gender: A Public Health Crisis, with Dr. P, 27 Sep 2025
    https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/calmversations/id1447774150?i=1000728646578&r=5372
    This material may be protected by copyright.

  17. Morning all 🌄 grey sky today but still dry. I finished most of the jobs I'd planned in the garden yesterday so not too much trouble.

  18. Good Moaning.
    The brain is a strange organ.
    Yesterday, I visited a house near a railway line.
    As I woke this morning, a classic British film involving a house beside a railway line came to mind. Could I remember its name? I could remember the story. I could remember the actors' names. Many scenes flashed through my mind. Was the title linked to the subject? The Players? The Cellists? The Quartet? The Quintet? Hell, I'd even seen it on the stage.
    As Spartie jumped up onto the bed, the answer flashed through my mind.
    The Lady Killers.

        1. Ah, but interesting clutter. So much better to have a brain the equivalent of Sir John Shane's Museum, full of eccentric and fascinating curiosities, than an ordered and sterile greyness.

  19. Good morning, all. Clear, bright and calm.

    My, my, Starmer has set the cat amongst the pigeons with his authoritarian speech yesterday.

    Knowing that immigration is an unpopular issue with the majority of the electorate the plank that is our PM makes that issue the reason for imposing digital IDs. His reasoning is being destroyed wholesale by anyone with a handful of functioning brain cells and really smart people e.g. the Black Belt Barrister can foresee legal problems for Starmer & Co.

    In addition, mixed messaging from the likes of Darren Jones highlighted by Christopher Hope, doesn't help.

    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/1971607737890156787
    This leaderless shower, posing as a government, are incapable of acting in unison, thank goodness.

    1. The Labour Party seems to be shedding the vote in all directions.

      First off, we have the workers, traditionally somewhat rightwing and patriotic, who went Tory in 2019, sat at home in 2024, and now may give Reform a try.

      Then we have the well-meaning middle class, depressed by Starmer's lack of insight and any sense of joy or fun. They would drift to the Lib Dems, especiallly given their reverence for clowns. Boris may have been a shameless hypocrite, but at least he cheered people up until he went down with Covid.

      The most interesting spat is with the youthful followers of the Doom Goblin. Since Corbyn was stabbed in the back, they have turned to the Greens. This was manifested by choosing the urban social justice campaigner Zack Polanski over a brace of rural environmentalists for Leader. However, the Fruit & Nut party of Sultana, Corbyn and stray Muslims that would normally be in with Galloway might be canny and rename their party 'Momentum' to repay Starmer for what he did to Corbyn. They are as economically idiotic as Truss, and truly think they can spend on good causes, relying on the Magic Fairy to pay for it all, but at least they might offer something in return for what is taken from the public, which is more than anyone else, who only use it to bling out the oligarchs.

      2. I came across a posting on X last evening (lost it unfortunately) in which the author looked across the political spectrum to find out how the support or otherwise panned out for Starmer’s dangerous plan. What stood out was Badenoch’s response. Starmer’s plan is such that it must create a clear divide, either you’re for it or against it. IMHO there can be no middle ground around which a debate can be constructed.

  22. Good Morning!

    Today's article had to be about this sinister government's sinister plan to introduce a totalitarian surveillance state by means of digital ID. In Digital Dictatorship: Why We Must Reject Digital ID we set out the lies behind Starmer's claims and outline the catastrophic consequences if he is allowed to get away with it.

    Large numbers are very concerned about Sharia Courts In Britain having formal authority (or extended influence). It’s a big issue, with strong arguments being made on all sides, lots of nuance, and real implications. In his article Andy Myers breaks down what we know, what the arguments are, and what the serious risks and trade-offs might be. He also looks at potential paths forward (legal, social, political) to address concerns.

    Energy Watch: Over the last 24 hours: Britain's average power requirement was 30.7 GW, sourced from Gas, 27.1%; Solar, 4.4%: Wind 28.4%; Imports, 18.4%; Biomass, 10.6%; Nuclear 8.2% and Miscellaneous, 3%.

    Digital ID, as proposed by our evil government, is a very sinister move towards totalitarian oppression. Please sign the petition opposing it; https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194 and ask all your friends, colleagues and family to do so.

  23. Right, that's me off to Stoke to see Stepson and read the riot act about his annoying habit of drawing cash from his Reserve Account.
    TTFN all.

  24. If i am allowed to swear. F’kin’ Disqus. I have the same problems as everyone else has been reporting. It’s ok on my phone, but the same details entered onto my ipad don’t work.

    I was only posting Michael Deacon. But nevertheless it was quite amusing.

  25. Go on Andy.. tell us what you plan to do. Do tell.

    A migration catastrophe unfolds in Calais: never seen it more crowded with desperate migrants. And they've only one destination in mind

      1. I like her very much, think she's an honest straightforward journalist (I know, contradiction in terms, generally speaking) – .she's been on this case for years, on the French coast witnessing French authorities taking migrants to coast by busloads, and dingies waiting for the them to use to cross Channel. Used to see her on GBN but not lately. Been with DM for years, great reporter.

  26. RUPERT LOWE.

    British people don’t ask for much, really. A chance to raise a family in a safe town, with a good job and an opportunity to build a bit of security for the future. A place for their children at a solid school, the odd GP appointment when they need one and a police force that will actually turn up if there is ever trouble.
    In short – we just want to get on with our lives in peace, with as little interference from the state as possible.
    That really isn’t too much to ask, is it?
    Please just leave us alone. That’s the British way. I like it like that.
    Instead, we are being dragged into a world where the Government wants to track, log, and verify every aspect of our existence. I don’t want that. The British people don’t want that. We certainly didn't vote for it.
    Let’s be clear. This has got absolutely sod all to do with illegal immigration.
    I’m not even going to discuss that.
    It’s about control. That’s it. The slow creep of a surveillance state that says you cannot live, work, or travel without proving yourself to the system first.
    It happened once, during COVID. It was a disaster, as many of us said at the time.
    Putting aside the morality behind the scheme, the Government will NOT be able to do it. These people are incompetent, the state is incompetent, it is all incompetent.
    Do you trust them to effectively run such a scheme? Without leaks, breaches and cyber attacks?
    It will be an unrelenting shitshow – I promise you that.
    And what? We don’t have anything else to be focusing on? The country is such a utopia that vast amounts of Government time, energy and resource will now be spent fighting to implement this scheme? Really?
    When it is introduced, it will grow and grow. We will never get rid of it.
    We must draw a line in the sand, now. Sign the petition, write to your MP, make your voice heard. It does matter.
    As an MP, I will do everything in my power to fight this – in Parliament and through Restore Britain, where plans are already underway to expose and fight the plans.
    There is lots to do.
    I hope you’ll join me, and join Restore Britain, to fight it.
    https://www.restorebritain.org.uk/join_us

    1. British people don’t ask for much, really. A chance to raise family in a safe town, with a good job and an opportunity to build a bit of security for the future. A place for their children at a solid school, the odd GP appointment when they need one and a police force that will actually turn up if there is ever trouble.
      I think that is probably the aspiration of most people in the world. The problem has always been the small group of people who seek to control us all.

    2. I already belong to Restore Britain. But anyone who needs convincing of what a disaster these sort of ID cards can do, look at todays China. As the system fails the ordinary people over there are being taxed more and more to the point that university graduates with doctorates are forced to do the Chinese equivalent of 'Door Dash' because the regular economy is collapsing. But the CCP is able to take money, and more and more of it, in taxes and other trumped up charges for themselves. The members of the CCP are living pretty on the backs of what was the middle class and the poor as the system becomes bankrupt and what they use to identify who to squeeze is, you've guessed it, the ID card which everyone has to use to make transactions and record what money, valuables, and property they have. The party thrives on embezzlement and bribes from the lowest official to the highest. Xi has been accused as syphoning money from the military into his family accounts to the tune of 2 trillion yuen. And everyone below him is up to the same thing to the maximum of their abilities. In short the ID card is a very bad thing that produces a society of oppression and misery for all those not in a privileged position.

    3. Rubbish. The people want a fair utopia where everything is free and within cycling distance.
      A safe space where all unfairness is eliminated.
      We urgently need more lawyers.. wave upon wave of them.
      They will get us there.. even if it kills all of us in the process.

      1. Distinct possibility. The Right of politics fracturing too much for my liking, enabling Starmer & Co/EU to squeeze by – although leaving a trail of slime. Concerning police seem to be doing odd things – eg arresting people for tweets

    1. That is probably malicious propaganda because Charles on his own is unlikely to influence anyone. The script is perhaps already written; Britain and Germany started WW3…

    2. I don't believe it, Richard – and neither should you 🙂 Trump is far too much his own man, likely being polite because he loves Brits and GB (or at least that's the publicity). For now, he seems pretty fed up with Putin, working out what to do next – if he hasn't already.

  28. 413606+ up ticks,

    Morning Each,

    This ID card issue, AKA in my mind electronic manacles for the masses, should be viewed via the referendum count in so far as 48% wanted ( and got) the nation in controlling chains.

    Since "miranda" lifted the entry hatch the 48percenters have gone into action with giving succour to escapees
    from safe countries taking advantage of our welfare / accommodation/incarceration/ medication /
    education at the cost of denial for our own folk
    infrastructure.

    We are going to witness the culling campaign once again, as in eat or heat coming into being this coming winter, these political overseeing kapos idea of a Christmas pressie for the elderly.

    Serious thought must be given to the fact that in the past long bows made good Christmas presents.

    Saturday 27 September: ID cards will intrude on citizens’ lives while failing to tackle illegal migration

    1. I have made the suggestion before that training in the longbow after Sunday Church is still a law in the UK and that I think those who can should take up the practice again.

  29. Good morning.

    I know very little about modern pop singers and I thought Justin Bieber could be filed together with Taylor Swift but Bieber is on X-Twitter quoting Saint Paul’s letter to the Corinthians. Is this the Turning Point effect?

    1. May have something to do with his 'Nightmare Experience' since age of fifteen…

      All the sex trafficking, racketeering, and transportation to engage in prostitution, and excessive use of marijuana & ketamine.. and yet no one thought it would be as bad as it turned out to be. LOL

    2. Justin Bieber was passed around and abused by the Hollywood satanists, I think. There is footage of him on some chat show as a young teenager and they are just being horrible to him in public, and nobody noticed because he was a "star." He broke away with his marriage to a Christian girl, but then they both got vaxxed with a bad batch and have had health problems since then, I think.

    3. Hi Sue. Nothing to do with Turning Point, Bieber is and always has been a devout Roman Catholic. But, like you I know so little about him that I couldn't identify a single song of his, despite the fact, I think, he has sold more records than any other male singer in history. One other thing I know about him. He has the tragic handicap of being Canadian. An adversity many of them overcome by going south, to the USA, and making pots of money.

  30. How do, all Y'all. On the way to Bristol for flight via Schiphol to home. Due to the vagaries of airline schedules, ETA Oslo is about 22:30 tonight…

  31. Morning All 🙂😊🤗
    Lovely sunny surprise 13c obviously rain later of course. But looking good.
    I just can't see a safe and successful future for this nation unless there is a major change made in the way its being run into the ground. The obvious cannot be allowed to continue to be in control. What is happening due to their own personal opinions cannot become legal. Our history did not all happen just to be shoved into a pit dug out by these morons including Blair and others in the background. Our national pride cannot be washed away by these stupid insane monsters..

    1. Very dull and grey skies here. Feels chilly too. Not a day for outdoor work.
      This government is a wrecking crew, led by Blair. He's always been pulling their strings.

      1. I was awake just after 5am, bathroom call, turned over and voila 🤗 four hours later 😊 cuppa at nine am.

  32. Cold, grey and overcast – and the weather isn't much better.
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  33. OT – we spent the last week in August at a delight little seaside place in Brittany called Erquy. Our second visit. There is a half mile sandy beach and the tide goes out at least half a mile.

    There are many dinghies and yachts moored there. There is a webcam that sweeps the little bay. I had a look yesterday afternoon and the tide was out revealing an extraordinary pattern of mooring lines:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6519e4312e6311ac39709232c2abad9a969865354be54b571d84afc4b683772d.png

    1. Very Criss cross…..I wonder if that might effect the insurance costs. There's not much anyone can do, but we all know what insurance companies are like.

      2. It's planned. The centres of the X are anchored to the sea bed. All at set distances calculated to to prevent collision.

    3. We have been there from time to time and have taken our students there in the summer.

      There is a very large tidal range in Brittany which means that boats with deep keels have to be moored further away from the harbour wall. The boats above have a bilge keel on each side which allow them to dry out.

      Here is Mianda – who had a fin keel and drew 2 metres – having been lifted out of the water at the Marmaris Marina. She then wintered ashore on the hard supported by a cradle of props.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2f9a75d1bc6662e1d824223091c2eb787c4c5ab1ca8b032e88055c2e89b6c5e5.jpg

      1. Apologies for asking a truly stupid question – what are 'bilges'? I tried to read about it to understand it but it's not clear what type of vessel it refers to.

        1. Wibbling , ask Bob of Bonsall ..!

          The bottom inside part of a ship where dirty water collects:
          The bilges had been pumped and the ship was ready to set sail once again.

      2. Parents friends had a yacht with fin keel, and when moored in Saundersfoot harbour (tidal) would bolt two wooden supports to the gunwale so the boat would stand upright.

  34. Morning all. Cool and sunny in West Sussex.

    Don't know how many of you are familiar with Tim Pool but he has a large following in the USA. He has about 2 million subscribers and well over that listen to each of his podcasts. He believes that civil war has began in the USA. He sets out the argument here. I think he may be right.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0WY7rjN7os

    1. What do you think of the theory that the civil war will be started and largely play out on the internet because that is where young people live these days?
      Will watch the video.

      2. No. If Newsome goes through with his threats it will be blood in the streets, not on the internet.

        1. Agree it will spill into physical violence, but I do wonder how much will happen on the internet. Cancellations, bullying, rumours, calls to action etc. Arguably the internet civil war has already started – and is being fanned by algorithms.

          1. Trump should call his bluff and at the first killing if an Ice agent uncovered his face, he should send in the Feds and arrest Newsome. A governor cannot interfere in an order by the Federal government. He has no legitimacy in ordering Ice agents to uncover their faces and knowing full well it would lead to killing even less right, morally. And if he carries out his other threat, to publish their names and addresses and that leads to killing, then he will be an accomplice to murder. But then, Newsome is non-to intelligent like the rest of the Democrats. Intelligence is spread thinly amongst them, or so it seems.

  35. Madeline Grant
    ID cards are the perfect policy for Starmer
    26 September 2025, 2:48pm

    ‘The Global Progress Action Summit’ is exactly the sort of event Keir Starmer loves. It’s a sort of Blairite seance, where all the ghouls of a dead liberal order are summoned and live again to spend 24 hours doing their favourite thing: bloviating. It’s a pretty cast-iron rule that an organisation with two words for physical movement in its title will in fact be an impotent talking shop.

    It was to this appalling gathering that Sir Keir – a man who famously prefers Davos to Westminster – had trotted to announce the introduction of ID cards. This little piggy had gone wee wee wee all the way to his spiritual home; a soulless conference centre, to unveil a policy he’d long been gagging for. ID cards are Tony Blair’s unfinished business, and so it is only appropriate that Starmer’s government, which increasingly resembles the reheated, congealed microwave meal version of Tony’s years in power, should take it up. Here we had it: Blairism with botulism.

    He began with a tone-deaf tour of the successes of ‘social democratic’ parties around the world. ‘I’d say centre left parties are having quite the year,’ he announced in a sinusy yodel. Well, given his own administration is sinking into the mire of corruption which inevitably heralds the grubby end of such governments, I suppose he’s not wrong.

    As you’d expect, the stream of jargon was near-constant. His government was ‘delivering pride and belonging’, and ‘building a better country brick by brick, from the bottom up’. Starmer talked a lot about ‘national patriotic renewal’, about ‘the infrastructure of grievance’. It all resembled the introduction to a new tractor production strategy during the later years of the Soviet Union – or as if a really bad AI from a few years ago had been ineptly programmed to give a patriotic speech.

    StarmGPT bragged about his economic strategy: ‘some people call it abundance, I call it social democracy’. I’d call it bollocks, but we were very clearly in an arena where words had abdicated all relationship with their actual meaning. We were through the LinkedIn Looking Glass.

    These people – hilariously – are absolutely convinced they are the good guys. A sort of Marvel Cinematic Universe of Beige. Who their enemies were was clearer. The PM complained about: ‘A politics of predatory grievance preying on the problems of working people and using that infrastructure of division against the politics of renewal’. I think, in plain English, that means anyone who has the gall to suggest that this card-carrying, technocratic vision of the future might not be so hunky-dory after all. The one silver lining is that these people are too staggeringly incompetent to run a bus timetable, let alone a gulag.

    Starmer then sat down for a fireside chat with the leaders of Canada, Australia and Iceland, all chaired by a grating, Trans-Atlantic accented non-entity, a sort of Temu Kamala Harris. It’s probably a good thing that this didn’t take place in front of an actual fire, because people would have been tempted to throw themselves into it.

    There was one moment of light relief, when the woman chairing managed to misidentify the Icelandic prime minister Kristrún Frostadóttir as the Finnish premier. Some might have said that the ‘dottir’ suffix was her first clue, but then again, national identity is not something that comes naturally to these people. ‘Oh my God, this is so embarrassing!’, crowed the Non-Entity. It was the truest thing we’d heard all day.

    *******************************

    John Anaxagoras
    19 hours ago
    ‘StarmGPT’ was brilliant. What cracking writing! Wonderful.

    Badvok
    19 hours ago
    If this was really about illegal migrants working, why not just use electronic tags? They are all criminals having entered the country illegally. Tags can geo fence and curfew the wearer, we already have a system in place, it could be expanded in months not years and would cost a lot less than a National Digital I.D. project.

    David Trynworthy Badvok
    18 hours ago
    It's got nothing to do with illegal immigration. Europe is chock full of illegal migrants – top to bottom, side to side – and they have ID cards.

    How are ID cards going to help with the criminal networks? With the drugs, prostitution and people smuggling networks? How are they going to help with the terror cells?

    We have real problems in this country, and all they can do is bleat like sheep lost in the mist.

    We've got to get better political representation, and soon.

    Mysterio
    19 hours ago
    1. Introduces digital ID
    2. Doesn’t stop the boats
    3. "Discovers" an oven ready social credit scoring system

      1. Talking of which, Starmer used the phrase “working people” in practically every sentence. It’s a given that he doesn’t mean people who actually spend 40+ years working for a living. So what DOES he mean?

        3. Probably means Union leaders, librarians, that sort of person. Not us n ours foshizzle….how're you doing today? x

        4. Nothing. He means absolutely nothing. He trots out the marketing but there's no meaning behind it. He may as well say 'vague nebulous group who can be used to mean no one but suggest someone'.

        5. I think he wants to say "working class people" but this would be too divisive. I am retired, with an old age pension and an Army pension. Presumably, his "working people" doesn't include me.

    3. Is this lifted from the Spectator, or does she have her own blog? We all really like her on the Speccie, next Editor hopefully.

    4. It's like business speak – it's meaningless twaddle designed to pretend something is occurring when nothing is happening – mostly because of the failure of the moron spouting drivel.

      Leftists do this a lot because their entire MO is ruining everyone else's lives, making them miserable, poorer and unhappy. They acn't say that, so they trot out utter hogwash.

  36. How much of the UK GDP is the black market?
    The black market in Britain accounts for around     10% of GDP, or over £150bn a year, and results in billions of pounds of lost taxes according to a report from the Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA).

    Would taxing the "Black Economy" help fill the "Black Hole" that Reeves whitters on about? Would effectively destroying the "Black Economy" be cheaper than creating an ID card and running the support systems for eternity?

    1. The big problemo with removing the "Black" Economy with ID cards, CBDCs & a cashless society.. the players would resort to burglary, mugging & extortion.

      1. I suspect that they would not remove the black economy at all and they are absolutely happy with that. It would simply carry on using monero and bypassing the id cards, CBDCs etc, which would be used purely to oppress us.

        1. To use GenZ talk.. you still have to "off ramp" to £s to buy your baked beans.
          And that's almost impossible without alerting the authorities.

          There was the phenomenally successful "LocalBitcoins".. for about 4%-10% you could exchange for cash in a car park or online by passing everyone.
          LocalBitcoins has been closed.​​ We are sad to inform that LocalBitcoins no longer provides its Bitcoin trading service.

          As for monero..
          One of the biggest lies spread online about Monero is that it is completely untraceable. This couldn’t be further from the truth, and I am going to explain why..

          The last token that did a fantastic job of washing thoroughly all traces in the wash was Tornado Cash.. and look what happened there. Arrested for writing code!
          Arrested in Amsterdam.. In 2023, the US Department of Justice charged Roman Storm and Roman Semenov with three violations: conspiracy to commit money laundering, conspiracy to violate …

          And in the Far East there was the legit wink wink city for "exchange" called Macau. I worked there many years.
          I kid you not.. CCP cadres and billionaires would negotiate with a junket in closed rooms.. sorry private gaming halls wink wink.. and swap assets inside China then deposit the agreed sum less 20% in a Macao bank account for transfer to UK or Cyprus or wherever. Then out of nowhere in 2021 Xi Jinping acted..
          Suncity Group founder Alvin Chau sentenced to 18 years in prison for operating illegal gambling business and running a criminal syndicate.
          Game over.

          1. Have you got a link to how monero is traceable? I would like to know this.
            btw, I don’t think that negates my point! the govt would simply turn a blind eye as they do in the US!
            I am told that “local Bitcoins” style exchanges are available for monero but I haven’t bought any this way myself.

          4. OK, from reading that link, it seems that the privacy problem can be mitigated by not just logging onto a crypto market and repeating similar transactions. From talking to monero users in real life, they prefer to use a trusted trader who does all the obfuscating and they just buy from that person with cash.

          6. The Left have tried to ban alcohol before. It failed. They tried to outlaw drugs. That continues to fail. When these hateful scum move to rationing electricity and water people will set up a black market for that.

      2. I fail to see how ID cards will make the slightest difference to existing criminality. A bunch of people who steal things, sell illegal goods are not suddenly going to say 'oh, I'd best get a government ID to sell my crack!'

        It is a stupidity beyond measure. All this moronic, fascist law affects is decent people who are already suppressed and oppressed by statist spite.

    2. It's not the government's money. The state is not simply entitled to our income and thus 'loses out' when it doesn't get it. Tax is theft.

        2. Regarding GDPR, where does the government sit on that? It loses the public's information all the time, mostly due to corruption, outright selling it and stupidity.

          Who hangs for that? I've never seen a senior civil servant or politician be sacked for deliberately losing our data. Nor does it seem to happen to government contractors. We sign multi ream thick contracts of dense, pointless legalese that never seem to apply: if I ask for an anonymised database and get one with the full real name user stack why isn't the agency wonk accountable?

    4. Great. We'll pack them in to your houses and you can pay for them too. When more and more keep coming, you're still housing and paying for them. All of them. What's that? Your house is full? Well welcome to how the rest of us feel.

  38. Good morning Nottlertown. I have just posted this over at FSB. However another commentator sadly for me gave the game away.

    The following was news to these eyes taken from the context. I am interested to hear fellow commentators thoughts, maybe take a guess as to where this came from. If you do know please hold back on letting on as I am still genuinely interested to hear from others an uncoloured response to the claims on their own terms. I will come back later with the source and context.

    "Rule 1: Act immediately
    Rule 2: Act ruthlessly
    Rule 3: Punish the losers
    Rule 4: Ignore party members"

  39. An interesting blogpost from an author that I follow (I'm a subscriber, but I think there is limited free access):
    "Is Tommy Robinson Welcome at Your Church? : Evangelical Anxiety, the "Far Right", and Christian Nationalism"
    https://thatgoodfight.substack.com/p/is-tommy-robinson-welcome-at-your

    (The author has been a victim of cancel culture, having been dismissed from a theological college for a tweet supporting Christian sexual morality; see: https://christianconcern.com/news/lecturer-to-appeal-after-judge-says-sacking-for-one-biblical-tweet-reasonable/ )

    The blogpost develops the discussion following the open letter sent to the Daily Mirror rejecting the use of Christian symbols on the Unite the Kingdom March, which reads as follows (and I post for the record):
    "We are deeply concerned about the co-opting of Christian symbols, particularly the cross, during Saturday’s ‘Unite the Kingdom’ rally. Many individuals and communities felt anxious, unsettled and even threatened by aspects of the march.
    There were undoubtedly diverse motivations for those engaged in the event. We respect the right to free speech, to hold different views on issues such as immigration, the importance of healthy debate between religious communities and the need to disagree well when consensus is difficult.
    We also understand that for many of those involved in the rally there is a deep sense of frustration at feeling unheard and forgotten in the democratic process. We know that we cannot heal this wound unless the Church, and society as a whole rises to do more to address the issues of poverty, inequality and exclusion.
    However, this rally included racist, anti-Muslim and far right elements. As Christians from different theological and political backgrounds we stand together against the misuse of Christianity. The cross is the ultimate sign of sacrifice for the other. Jesus calls us to love both our neighbours and our enemies and to welcome the stranger. Any co-opting or corrupting of the Christian faith to exclude others is unacceptable.
    As Christian leaders we are proud of our country and commit ourselves to work with others building a more United Kingdom where the values of love, humility and compassion shine through in every community; and we do so unapologetically in the name of Jesus Christ."
    Signed
    Rt Revd Philip Mounstephen, Bishop of Winchester
    Gavin Calver, CEO, Evangelical Alliance
    Bishop Mike Royal, General Secretary, Churches Together in England
    Revd Richard Andrew, President, Methodist Conference 2025/26
    Jude Levermore, Head of Mission, Methodist Church
    Matt Forsyth, Vice-President, Methodist Conference 2025/26
    Commissioners Jenine and Paul Main, Territorial Leaders, The Salvation Army United Kingdom and Ireland
    Revd Lynn Green, General Secretary, The Baptist Union of Great Britain
    Bishop Tedroy M. Powell, National Presiding Bishop, Church of God of Prophecy Trust. (U.K.)
    Rev Fiona Smith, Principal Clerk of the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland
    Rt Revd Dr Rowan Williams, Honorary Assistant Bishop, Llandaff
    Rt Revd Dr David Walker, Bishop of Manchester
    Rt Revd Christopher Chessun, Bishop of Southwark
    Rt Revd Toby Howarth, Bishop of Bradford
    Chine McDonald, Director, Theos
    Revd Lucy Winkett, Rector, St James’s Piccadilly
    Dr Christopher Baker, Professor of Religion and Public Life, Goldsmiths, University of London,
    Debra Green OBE, Executive Director, Redeeming Our Communities
    Revd Canon Dr Jennifer Smith, Wesley's Chapel and Leysian Mission.
    Rt Revd Dr Rosemarie Mallett, Bishop of Croydon
    Dr Anthony Reddie, Professor of Black Theology, University of Oxford
    Dr Robert Beckford, Professor of Black Theology, Queen's Foundation.
    Kat Osborn, Co-CEO, Safe Families and Home for Good
    Dr Krish Kandiah OBE, Director, Sanctuary Foundation
    Tania Bright, Co-CEO, Safe Families and Home for Good
    Very Revd Dr Mark Oakley, Dean of Southwark
    Paul S Williams, Chief Executive, Bible Society
    Ven. Dr Rachel Mann, Archdeacon of Salford and Bolton
    Raymond Friel OBE, CEO, Caritas, the Catholic Social Action Network
    Lord Rees of Easton
    Rt Revd Rob Wickham, Group CEO, Church Urban Fund
    Rt Revd Alastair Cutting, Bishop of Woolwich
    Ross Hendry, CEO of CARE (Christian Action Research and Education)
    Revd Dr Sam Wells, Vicar, St Martin-in-the-Fields
    Rt Revd Dr Martin Gainsborough, Bishop of Kingston
    Revd Canon Steve Chalke MBE, Founder of Oasis Charitable Trust

    An excellent response to this letter has been written by David Robertson:
    https://www.christiantoday.com/news/disuniting-the-kingdom-an-open-letter-to-evangelical-signatories-of-the-anti-unite-the-kingdom-letter

    1. A strong rebuttal letter, we need more of the same from our leaders regarding the truth about Islam.

    4. What a bunch of thickos. Blind to the truth or in denial. Mustn't insult or annoy the people who wish to kill you, to wipe your religion from the face of the earth. How stupid can you get?

    5. Love and humity, yet you so desperately want to insult those who do love this country.

      What you really mean is you want to suck up to muslim. Why, I don't know. They hate you.

    6. The response is correct. The above letter is entirely contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ. These people are Marxists, not Christians.

      Jesus said you will always have the poor. He said that he did not come to overturn the law. He did not challenge Roman authority. Render unto Cesar what is Cesar’s. He did say that unrepentant sinners will be cast into outer darkness. He did say that His is the narrow way and the only way. False prophets are not a valid alternative.

      There are no relative values in the Gospel. There is no collectivism in the Gospel. Jesus always addresses himself to the salvation of the individual, not the collective.

      The cross is the same whoever carries it and as the 39 Articles state, He is there in the Communion whatever the sinfulness of the minister. Christianity is not invalidated by the shortcomings of the preacher.

      1. I found the open letter by the church representatives hypocritical and repellent. When they are needed they are never to be seen, Covid! But they are happy to pontificate from afar when they should be standing at the front of the people.
        The priests on the march did reply to the humbugs but I don't know where to find it. Will search around. I'm glad no Orthodox Christians signed it.

          1. Thank you Ken. I'm about to read that. But I know they collectively authored a reply to the establishment clergy. It was on You Tube but I can't find it.

      2. I was just drawing breath to post similar! Also the claim about people being scared by the march

        "Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night;
        nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
        nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness;
        nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday"

        (just reading from my Delingpole Studio Psalm 91 mug)
        Christians will heed the more than a hundred times the Bible tells you not to be afraid, and they can hardly claim to be Christians if they want to censor open displays of Christianity in a Christian country for fear that non-Christians might be intimidated by it.

        The people who wrote that letter just want to put the common people down – yet again!

        2. Oddly enough today the chapel people were handing out leaflets with a quote from 1 John 5:4, for whatever is born of God overcometh the world …

      3. I can see your point and well said. Collectivism vs being equal in the eyes of God. The worship of fake idols also comes to mind. Fallibility, forgiveness and redemption. This could go on. In fairness I think what a lot of these people personally trip up over is the radical redistribution of wealth in Jesus' teaching. Coats been given away if asked for as I recall and that sends them tumbling down a worldly path.

        Here's a question. Is this a Globalist gnosticism, a "Neo-Popery" if you will in our historical context now running through Protestant church groups? I don't see teaching, example and guidance here, I am being told what to do. What that to do is sounds like a modern political philosophy.

        The following is an outlining of the type of universal thinking that might be at play.
        https://youtu.be/Smro7OkckvQ?si=6wbPROG6o9b4bEw8

        1. Definitely Gnosticism, yes. I used to attend a church with a very kind and well meaning vicar who strongly espoused the presently fashionable incarnation of Gnosticism and began many of her sermons with, “This is not Gnosticism”. Gospel teaching could be discounted because her personal relationship with God told her otherwise. In her world, The Word is not absolute. It evolves. One of her protégés opened a sermon with, “Of course we all have a problem with the Bible”.

          1. That ties with many older surveys that showed that a good percentage of C of E clergy did not actually believe the story of Jesus as told in the NT.

      4. I haven't attended church for around 70 years, but nevertheless consider myself Christian (I've been told I'm ideal Quaker material, I don't know about that). Our local church is on a three or four week rota, I suspect it may not last much longer. The doors were locked during Covid. In previous years, I've listened to many veterans who spoke about the church during WW2, never complimentary or supportive. Our vicar when my parents married didn't sign the certificate, mother hysterical thinking it meant I was illegitimate…quite the scene..:-) I'm very sorry if I offend anyone who is practising Christian and regularly attends church/does good work on behalf of the church, I'd like to see a stronger Christian leader than Welby – hope someone turns up soon. I'll get my coat now, Kate x

        1. I went to a Quaker meeting house for some professional training (not related). The posters on the walls were largely Woke. I was surprised at the time The Bible had not provided greater intellectual insulation against it.

          1. Yes, I’ve been told it’s quite different now, but as I didn’t go in the past and don’t attend now, couldn’t confirm either way. Seemed to be almost a kind of meditation, along with a few prayers. I knew a man who was a Quaker, the most gentle and intelligent person – others thought him a ‘living Christ’…he told me I would make an ideal Quaker, perhaps he was gently teasing me 🙂

          2. I'll back that up. The Quaker movement has been thoroughly infected with wokeism. It's what happens when a religious Christian movement fails to hold on to the faith 'once for all delivered to the saints' as conveyed in the Bible.

          3. Infiltration everywhere, often accepted without question. Young minds malleable, old ones wits sometimes lost or in the process of doing so, middle ones trying to hold economy together. Maybe my age, but don’t feel hopeful most days.

      5. Thank you, Sue. That is the most lucid explanation I ever read. I'll save it for future revreading.

    7. Why is it that the fact that Britain is a Christian country, with an Established protestant church, headed by the monarch, is always ignored by these people? And as doubtless others might comment, maybe they should all read the Bible Especially the teachings on the subject of heresy.

  40. Cllr John Smiff living down to expectations.

    A Labour politician abused his mayoral office to try to secure immigration visas to bring 41 family members and friends from Bangladesh to Britain, a Telegraph investigation has found.

    Cllr Mohammad Amirul Islam sent both “official” and “doctored” letters emblazoned with his council’s crest and logo to the British High Commission in Dhaka in an attempt to get visa applications treated “favourably”.

    The letters, seen by The Telegraph, reveal how he wrote to embassy staff urging them to “ensure a smooth visa application process” for “good friends” and family to attend his inauguration as mayor of Enfield council, in north London.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/27/labour-mayor-demanded-visas-for-bangladeshi-family-friends/

    1. My old diesel car's tyres were all showing signs of cracks so I retyred it with a set of new ones before I retired it for auction.

  43. I'm lookking for a supplier of kg+ bags of salted pecans/macadamia nuts. We're getting to that time of year when I buy the Warqueen some of her Rambol cheese, so getting her the nuts she likes would be a nice surprise.

    1. Have you tried the Grape Tree? I know they do 1kg bags of Macadamias because I have brought from them. Things are vacuum packed so they are fresh. They do Pecans and lots of other nuts too. Very reasonable prices.

      https://www.grapetree.co.uk/

          1. On the outskirts of a small town, there was a big, old pecan tree just inside the cemetery fence. One day, two boys filled up a bucketful of nuts and sat down by the tree, out of sight, and began dividing the nuts.

            "One for you, one for me, one for you, one for me," said one boy. Several dropped and rolled down toward the fence. Another boy came riding along the road on his bicycle. As he passed, he thought he heard voices from inside the cemetery. He slowed down to investigate. Sure enough, he heard, "One for you, one for me, one for you, one for me …."

            He just knew what it was. He jumped back on his bike and rode off. Just around the bend, he met an old man with a cane, hobbling along.

            "Come here quick," said the boy, "you won't believe what I heard! Satan and the Lord are down at the cemetery dividing up the souls!"

            The man said, "Beat it, kid, can't you see it's hard for me to walk." When the boy insisted though, the man hobbled slowly to the cemetery.

            Standing by the fence they heard, "One for you, one for me. One for you, one for me."

            The old man whispered, "Boy, you've been tellin' me the truth. Let's see if we can see the Lord…?" Shaking with fear, they peered through the fence, yet were still unable to see anything. The old man and the boy gripped the wrought iron bars of the fence tighter and tighter as they tried to get a glimpse of the Lord.

            At last, they heard, "One for you, one for me. That's all. Now let's go get those nuts by the fence and we'll be done…."

            They say the old man had the lead for a good half-mile before the kid on the bike passed him.

    2. Have you tried the Grape Tree? I know they do 1kg bags of Macadamias because I have brought from them. Things are vacuum packed so they are fresh. They do Pecans and lots of other nuts too. Very reasonable prices.

      https://www.grapetree.co.uk/

    1. Father queried the guide’s use of the word “King”, given that the monarchy had been abolished and he hadn’t been crowned in England; but he had been crowned in Scotland. So i think he could be called “King”. But we have had a robust debate about it.

      1. The successor to a king becomes the monarch on the death of the former monarch. Being crowned has nothing to do with it. I suppose a coronation is a sort of public affirmation showing the new monarch, done for the acclamation of the peers and the public. E.g. during the ceremony the peers say "God Save the King" three times, acknowledging him/her as the new monarch.

        But the title is immediately bestowed on the successor to the dead monarch which is why the Royal Standard is never flown at half mast. Thus the announcement: "The King is dead, God save the King!" The King/Queen never dies.

        1. But – Parliament had abolished the monarchy in England. That is the sticking point in the arguement.

          1. What do you mean? Parliament, apart from the Cromwellian period, has never been abolished and, in fact, it wasn’t legal for the Puritans to abolish the monarchy anyway. The font of all law in England is the King, that is why everything is done in the name of the king and it is why he cannot be tried in a court of law. He cannot prosecute himself and to quote a bedrock of English law. “A person cannot be a judge in his own cause.” The King, Charles I did not sign anything abolishing the monarchy. It why Charles II was always the legitimate king in exile and was able to ascend the throne with ease. Cromwell was a traitor.

        2. You're right, of course, and that's why Matilda became Queen on the death of Henry I. But she's not mentioned on any list that I've seen.
          Comment?

          1. When I was a kid we were taught about her at school and she was most definitely acknowledged as queen though never crowned. In Wikipedia she is listed but with this note: “Matilda was declared heir presumptive by her father, Henry I, after the death of her brother on the White Ship, and acknowledged as such by the barons. Upon Henry I’s death, the throne was seized by Matilda’s cousin, Stephen of Blois. During the ensuing Anarchy, Matilda controlled England for a few months in 1141. She was the first woman to do so, but was never crowned and is rarely listed as a monarch of England.[f]”.
            She got a raw deal!

  47. In the papers today it is reported that 98% of population growth in UK is due to migrants.
    This makes sense because it has been reported that the indigenous population is producing less than two children per couple.and is therefore unable to sustain itself.

      1. Leicester Square, IIRC.
        Ironically he was stepped over by dozens of journalists who had been attending a movie preview.

        1. There is a super injunction out on the daughter. I think she tried to kill herself (which we are not allowed to know about).

  50. 413696+ up ticks,

    Shortly we will be entering ,in earnest, the culling fields winter months under the compulsory eat or heat
    rulings.

    To the elderly " living like a LORD" would be a life saving way to go.

    Reality,
    Salary and benefits: House of Lords
    Members of the House of Lords are not salaried. They can opt to receive a £361 per day attendance allowance, plus travel expenses and subsidised restaurant facilities. Peers may also choose to receive a reduced attendance allowance of £180 per day instead.

    Ps,
    On a potential £900 sobs a week ( a lordly sum) that will keep a hoard of starving / frozen pensioners from the door.

      1. Why they all have little cots, Alec. Just kidding, sign in, get a good lunch complete with wine (no charge), return to benches and kip, sign out. Or if you have something better to do, sign in, have a kip, sign out.

    2. Been this way for a very long time, ogga1…would we be any better with an elected upper chamber, doubt it. Perhaps local politics/politicians should get more of a grip on things, they often seem to leave staff to deal with 'dog shit and litter brigade' i.e. us.

      1. Personally i would take it back to the state ante-1997 and put an upper limit on the total number of “Lords” who can be appointed.

  51. Back from Stoke and a quick glance at GB News gives this story:-
    https://www.gbnews.com/news/migrant-crisis-two-dead-small-boats-english-channel

    To which I have placed this reply:-
    A quick glance through the comments exposes how many people are totally fed up and angry with the way the current and previous two Government administrations have handled the illegal migrant problem.
    Under normal circumstances these minor tragedies would not attract anything like the seemingly heartless and callous comments we see now.
    THIS is how much Government Policy has damaged our country and our people.

    2. Three now i think. Obviously i don’t revel in death; but this is in the government’s hands. It could stop the “small boats” in an instant, if it wanted to. These deaths are their fault.

  52. I've just signed the petition to the government not to introduce digital IDs. Signatures up to 1,831,196 when I signed.

    I expect that this has been publicised here in recent days, but I've been too busy this week to read here much.

          2. I do suspect some bot/AI connection.

            It doesn't matter, though: HMG would not tale a scrap of notice if TEN million actual people signed.

  53. I've just signed the petition to the government not to introduce digital IDs. Signatures up to 1,831,196 when I signed.

    I expect that this has been publicised here in recent days, but I've been too busy this week to read here much.

  55. Uh-oh. I've just had to click an acknowledgement that I am over 18. The VPN is in an EU country.
    Next step probably, upload your digital id to prove to disqus that you are over 18, which obviously I won't do.

  56. From the Substack of Elizabeth Nickson:

    "The Journal of Death and Dying this week reported that Health Canada plans to save $1.73 trillion from 2027-2047 by persuading 14.7 million (nearly half the country) Canadians to accept medically assisted dying. How? They plan to withdraw hospice and palliative care. Nine million elderly, four million mentally ill and 300,000 indigenous are on the kill list. The balance will be the homeless."

  57. Something funny from Michael Deacon to cheer us up.

    “Sad news from the world of academia. Edinburgh University has decided to drop a course on “queer and trans geographies”. Believe it or not, this is reportedly due to a “lack of demand”.

    Personally I think it’s a great shame, because I would have loved to take the course – if only so I could find out what on earth queer and trans geographies are. Imagine the lectures. “Oxbow lakes are gay. Valleys are non-binary. Scafell Pike is in a pansexual throuple with Sherwood Forest and Loch Ness.”

    One man who lamented the news was Martin Zebracki – chairman of the Royal Geographical Society’s Space, Sexualities and Queer Research Group. “Courses like this,” he said, “seek to develop critical thinkers of the future”.
    I certainly agree that we must teach critical thinking. Otherwise, there’s a grave risk that our young people will unquestioningly swallow toxic ideas for which there is no basis in fact.

    Such as, to pluck an example entirely at random, the idea that some women have penises and men can give birth.
    Still, if today’s young people are rejecting courses on “queer and trans geographies”, their critical thinking skills may be sharper than we thought.”

      2. Yes.
        Basically, it consists of criticising EVERY aspect of any ideology you oppose and totally refuse to accept that there are any good points.
        Hence the current concentration on how evil Britain was in being part of the Slave Trade and the refusal to acknowledge anything about the campaigns to abolish the foul trade.
        The same with Colonialism.

      1. I doubt that. These women are showing professionalism and wouldn't be easily offended.

        They might well ignore anything else you had to say though.

  59. Bloody Hell open exciting rugby offloads quick ball great running
    Women putting the lads to shame
    Pours another beer!!

  60. Happy Saturday evening, from sunny Schiphol!
    The actual travel is at about 600mph, just an awful lot of drawn-out pauses in between that make it slow& boring.

  61. I love children, but don’t expect me to be pleased to pay for yours
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/27/i-love-children-but-dont-expect-me-to-be-pleased-to-pay/
    Removing the two child benefit cap may please many within the Labour Party, but it’s hard to justify to the increasingly squeezed taxpayer. Government ministers Phillipson and Powell have both suggested removing the cap

    BTL

    Don't these silly women understand that parents who pay for state education but do not use it (because their children are in private schools) are paying for the schooling of all the children who go to state schools!

    Kill the private schools and other parents will have to pay for the schooling of those who used to be able to afford sending their children to private schools.

    1. It'll just be free for all with the least successful in society having huge families at everyone else's expense. Deliberate anti-darwinism – without the benefits they would have no chance of supporting so many children.

      1. The UK is already bankrupt and the balloon is about to go up. The Labour government as predicted by Thatcher have run out of other people’s money. They splothered the rest on the basket case of Ukraine.

  62. Wordle No. 1,561 3/6

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    1. Well done – you did very well to get it from there, I had all the first 4 letters after guess 3 and only got it because there couldnt be any alternative! I was still surprised when it was correct….. not a good Wordle word in my view.

      Wordle 1,561 4/6

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        1. I know that's the de facto German Dictionary, Rene, but I wouldnt know what other definition would be given to that word, other than a broadly derogatory term for a (male) German!

    3. Bogey today. I didn’t think Wordle accepted proper names?

      Wordle 1,561 5/6

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    4. I wouldn't have got it without a clue from cori about boys' comics.

      Wordle 1,561 5/6

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  63. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 ladies doing well.
    I don't understand why the last try was disallow.

    2. The people who lifted the catcher stood between her and the Canadian defenders, preventing them from grappling with the catcher.
      They are allowed to stand next to the catcher and if they had they would not have obstructed the Canadian defenders.

      ° ° °is OK
      ° o ° isn't

      Edit to show the placing more clearly

      1. As someone who has played the game how well do you think the women's games are compared to the men's games?

        1. I think one is comparing apples with pears.

          The women's game can be very entertaining, but at the international level the disparity between the top and the rest is far greater than in the men's game.

          I've enjoyed the World Cup and think that technically they have improved tremendously.

          GGGGaspar has played at a good level as a front row forward, he's the one to ask.

          2. I think so, and I actually enjoy the nerdy analysis.
            What I don’t enjoy so much is the TMO side.
            Unless there is a very obvious mistake leave the decision to the referee.

          6. Oddly enough, I can cook steak reasonably well.
            AND I have to buy cheaper cuts than Mr. Money's-No-Object…

          7. You could just eat meat balls covered in crushed nuts.

            What i don't understand is you live in a country that boasts the finest cuisine in the world and you can cook steak reasonably well. Said in an overly thick Franch axant.

            You run a gite or did. Allow people to buy small plots of a metre or so to harvest orchid seeds. Or even allow them to dig up a plant at 100 euro a go.

            Regarding Mr M N O my gold has increased in value £4,500 in the last month. I won't mention the increase in the 200 silver coins.

            Oh i did. Soz Sos.

            In addition. The Americans slather over the cheaper cuts like flank but they need to be cooked properly. Too chewy for me but then what do the yanks know anything about food.

          8. My "reasonable" is prolly your idea of excellent.

            One thing to be said about living in France is that the meat balls are excellent.

            Whenever she sees meats running around the garden HG harvests their balls.

            Agree re the cheaper cuts, but they do have a lot of flavour.
            Sadly, they also need the Sunday teeth to be installed.

          9. To you first point. Nah

            To your second point. Nah.

            To your third point. I expect HG is a good shot.

            Your last point strikes the right note. Whose teeth do you use?

          11. In my experience, Americans either go for filet mignons, New York strips or T bones as their number 1 choices. Flank, hanger steak, skirt, etc., all seem much more a "thing" with "chefs" on cooking programs, than with people one comes across in a good restaurant. Only issue really is that cuts like filet and T bone are getting expensive in retsaurants.

          12. I ordered filet mignon from the "menu" recently.
            It was melt in the mouth tender, but arrived in a bowl of what was to all intent and purpose mushroom soup.
            Absolutely delicious, but certainly not what I was expecting!

      1. To both above….in all my years of watching professional rugby 🏉 I have never heard of anything like that before.

  64. The ladies seem to do a lot more running than their male equivalents. The very large England forward does have the look of a bloke about her!

    What on earth was wrong with the England lineout catch that gave Canada a penalty?

    Oh, and the TMO is just as boring …..

    1. At a lineout you cant bind in front of the catcher preventing the opposition contesting the ball – it's a form of obstruction, the two England players supporting the catcher went in front of her and could be pinged for 'Blocking' – bit harsh mind…..

          1. OT – have you clocked the new TftT website? It has gone to another provider (or whatever). Amazingly, after 48 hours, as was intended, the old link still works.

          2. Yes, I had a lot of 505 errors for a few days but it’s back up and running now, I havent posted yet but it looks OK.

            I enjoy the general tenor of the comments there and I use it, primarily, to understand the parsing of some clues I’ve just Bifd (Bunged In From Definition but you’ll know that!)

            PS A number of the acronyms on TftT could well be applied to Nottl – one I particularly like is MER (Minor Eyebrow Raise)!! Perhaps we could start something……

          3. I must confess that I only go there when, having inserted a word which turns out to be correct, I simply cannot understand why!

            Five years ago when I was at death’s door, and in hospital (a doubly dangerous position) my beloved came to visit me every day with a scan of the cryptic. She also brought the newspaper. I suggested that we passed the time (you know how it drags in horsepittal) by doing the Quick Cryptic. She had never done a cryptic puzzle in her life. Slowly she took to it – and now does it most days. As one who learned about crosswords before I could speak (one had to do something in the bomb shelters) it was most rewarding to explain how to go about this malarkey. And for her to pick it up.

            You will be pleased to learn that one one occasion after she had visited, a bloke in the next bed said, “Your daughter’s looking very smart…”

          4. Yes, my wife just does not understand the attraction of Cryptics and only does the Concise; – annoyingly, however, she's better then me at Sudokus!

            Sorry to hear about your health alarm, trust all is (a bit?) better now – bet your other half was chuffed with what that bloke said!!

          5. Not half! Mind, she was dressed up (her view is always to outshine the medical people dresswise!)

  65. Ed Davey thinks the demos are a threat to democracy. Little Bear fond of Lying trots that one out too? Either these people have shit for brains or they think we do. Maybe both.

    1. Even uses a cloth to remove the last of the paint, and is very careful to get a clean edge on the hands!
      Excellent!

    4. My friend, who visits the USA annually, refuses to use 'Shithole' airport as a hub, after a bad experience there with customs.

      1. The best "bad experience " I ever has with customs was flying in to Bristol from Spain years ago when I was working in Europe. All I had was an old style "three suiter" which was bulging with clothing and general stuff. The customes guy gave me a hard time for unknown reasons, and decided he was gioing to open up every zipped pocket to examine the contents. So he picked one, said "what's in here?". and I accurately replied, dirty underwear. He smirked and dug his hand in, producing just what I had told him was there. Keeping a straight face was difficult. Anyway at that point he gave up.

        1. Does one take it from that, that your underwear is particularly dirty?

          Asking for a friend Phizzee who sniffs underwear.

  68. Well done, the England ladies. Not sure I care for all the hugging and tears – but then what do I know?

    In the and it didn't matter that the last pass which led to the last Canada try was a good yard forward… TMO was uncharacteristically silent…

    1. There were a good number of clear forward passes, from both teams, that went unnoticed/unpunished by the officials.

    2. These days hugging and tears are not restricted to women, apparently,

      I have this terrible vision of our head of sports faced with boys hugging and crying. About the same reaction there would have been from the local regular army NCO's who used to drill us CCF types on field days, I should imagine.

  69. Prevening all. The 40s weekend wasn’t as well attended as last year but Winston got a lot of fuss and we saw two other beagles.
    The headline nails it. We will lose our freedom and the boats will keep coming.

  70. In the days just after the Battle of Waterloo, when I played rugger (as it was called then), there was a saying: "Get on with the game,. never mind about the ball".

    I have only watched about five ladies' matches – so I am not really clued up enough. But it seems to me that there is a marked difference between the way women (at international level) play the game and the way men do. The girls seem to run a lot more – and some are very fast. I should be interested to hear what other, more recent players in NoTTLand think. The England kicker was top class, I thought. As good as any male place kicker.

    1. The standard of the women has improved immeasurably over the the last 30 + years.

      In any game one plays to ones' strengths, and running rather than grappling tends to suit the women better.

      Only three countries have ever won the WRUFWC.
      And you might be surprised who one of them was.

    2. PS
      The male place kickers can convert from much greater distances.
      Farrell (hiss, spit) could out-kick any woman.

    3. I haven't noticed any female Ben Youngses out there.

      I've loved every minute of watching those women.

      3. I'd be interested to know why you refer to Ben Youngs specifically? I think he's a great player (100+ England caps tells the story) as was his brother Tom.
        But I only really posted here so I could brag about playing against his Dad, Nick Youngs, many moons ago……

          1. Ah, I see.
            I also preferred Danny Care who could actually break from the base of the scrum, something Youngs never tried that often.
            I think the theory was that Youngs had the 'tighter' game that better suited England – box kicking and general tight link up play with the forwards, and Care would be more effective against a tiring defence later in the game from off the bench – from where he got most of his 100 caps.

  72. Well, that's me for today. Cleared the tomatoes out of the greenhouse and dismantled the frame. Always a slightly sad moment. The outdoor toms are still producing a lot of fruit, so they will be spared while these warmish days continue.

    Have a jolly evening.

    A demain.

    1. I've got a lot of different sized Tomatoes this year most are being oven roasted tomorrow with garlic red onions garden herbs and olive oil.
      To be turned into soup.

    1. Bide your time.. read your Koran.. get good jobs.. enter the offices of the state the caliphate will come.

    2. Why are they even in this country? muslim has never, ever provided anything of value to the world. Why did the political class force them on us?

      2. The podcast i referenced earlier today was interesting on this. They just don’t think the same way we do. The religion prevents it. The language prevents it. There is no ability to think outside rote-learning the Koran. Our politicians have no idea.

  74. i have just found out two friends from my childhood have died recently (62, 57). And a third friend (50) is very ill.

    1. I am sorry for your loss but please don't read into it too much from recent news.

      Avoid the rabbit hole.

    4. Crumbs.
      Very unpleasant – for all parties – and those ages are unusual for nowadays.
      What a horrible time for you.

    1. I wouldn't like to meet that very heavily tattooed prop forward on a dark, moonless night. To tell the truth I would still be pretty nervous even on a bright sunny day.

      2. Botterman (stop sniggering at the back!) would chew you up for shit-paper – I understand she is happily 'married' to another member of the team, like quite a lot of them, surprisingly……

    2. The Roses scrum pulverised the Canadians – speaking as a tight-head when that happens you generally win the match…..

      Altogether::: 'You can stick your running Rugby up your arse… you can etc etc' cont'd for 94 verses…..

      1. Thanks!
        Just arrived – cleaners were in whilst we were away, so house nice ‘n clean and smelling fresh, too. Lovely!

  77. Rather a sad evening.
    I have just brought in the solar lights from the garden.
    I will clean them tomorrow and the tuck them up for the winter on a shelf in the summer house.

      1. Ours are struggling now it's gloomier.
        It is less depressing to put them away rather than watch their fitful efforts.

        1. The set on my Christmas tree (which stays out all year) is shining brightly. The ones on the arches have always been a bit hit and miss, so I leave them anyway. I don't want to be climbing up to take them down.

    2. We've got a solar security light along side our front door south facing, it stays but won't always work. But there is a back up as well.

    3. I think not. The change in season is most welcome. To not wear shirts saturated with perspiration is a joy.

          2. No :-D…other hand, just watching Godfather Pt II- 50 years and counting I think? Robert de Niro’s waiting….

    1. Like him or hate him, not good to arrest him in front of wife and young child. Will wait to see what charges are brought to court, and if he's found guilty or not.

    2. We cant be selective about who we are prepared to allow to speak – I quite like George on a personal level but despise his politics.

      This is unacceptable on the same level as so many 'farrrrr right' views are closed down…..

  81. Wordle No. 1,561 3/6

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    Wordle 27 Sep 2025

    Kraut for Birdie Three

  82. Rail forecast for overnight and, according to the Met office, it should be raining outside now, but it's still dry.
    Forecast to be dry after mid-morning.

    And I'm off to bed.
    G'night all.

  87. Goodnight, all. Early start in the morning to pick up the threads at church again. It's Harvest Festival and I'm reading.

  89. I just read that The Guardian are advocating a Burnham replacement for Starmer. The chap was known as Troy after the Thunderbirds character last time around.

    1. Good news! Although I'm sure it wont make a blind bit of difference and will be wilfully ignored, like all the rest of them…..

      1. Indeed so. It's still a very modest percentage of the total electorate. Quite clearly, a big majority is not against it.

          2. "It's still a very modest percentage of the total electorate." True, but the percentage is increasing.

            "Quite clearly, a big majority is not against it." You don't know that.

    1. We, well Europe I suppose, are doing very well. The US crowd is not acting like a regular golf crowd audience, never seen such impolite behaviour, except at football games.

      1. The watching US contingent have little regard for Europeans. The golfers represent Agencies that the US despises. I doubt it is entirely about the sport.

  103. 413606+ up ticks,

    Pillow Ponder,

    We are mass biting again, the ID issue is secondary to the daily invasion coming ashore, the TOOL is on a daily winner.

    1. My own personal view is that the Btritish establishment is at the root of most of the problems in the world as we witness daily. It sickens me to watch innocent young girls at today’s Rugby World Cup having to sing along to a dreadful dirge espousing a wish to save King Charles III. Save the git from what?

      The king is a mere representative of the British secret services, generally known as MI5 and MI6 which are in no way similar to the representations of them in the bloody James Bond comedies.

      The Royals have always espoused concern for animal welfare (Duke of Edinburgh WWF for example) yet shoot wildlife. They constantly rattle on about their environmental credentials whilst living debauched energy consuming lifestyles.

      I have no doubt that the Royals are merely the front, the facade if you will, of the British deep state. We would prosper without them and without their odious influence.

      I thought for a moment that the present king had converted to Islam but have revised my already low opinion of him to putting him in the Pagan camp.

      1. I think you're right corim.
        He allowed the slammers into Windsor for a kneeling session.
        And they weren't chased off when they were keeling on the steps of the Albert Hall. Obviously another planned event to rub our noses in 'diversity'.

    2. My own personal view is that the Btritish establishment is at the root of most of the problems in the world as we witness daily. It sickens me to watch innocent young girls at today’s Rugby World Cup having to sing along to a dreadful dirge espousing a wish to save King Charles III. Save the git from what?

      The king is a mere representative of the British secret services, generally known as MI5 and MI6 which are in no way similar to the representations of them in the bloody James Bond comedies.

      The Royals have always espoused concern for animal welfare (Duke of Edinburgh WWF for example) yet shoot wildlife. They constantly rattle on about their environmental credentials whilst living debauched energy consuming lifestyles.

      I have no doubt that the Royals are merely the front, the facade of you will, of the British deep state. We would prosper without them and without their odious influence.

  104. Well, chums, once again I've "overslept", i.e. nodded off, and missed wishing you all a Good Night. I hope to see you all early on Sunday morning.

  105. Somebody in a high position avoided paying inheritance tax.. the same tax that is driving farmers to suicide.
    In a droning sinusy yodel.. Let me make this clear.. I wasn't aware of this, in any case it's within UN international Law of our Land.. the land wot I love.

    Questions for Keir Starmer over field he put in trust
    Seven acres that sold for almost £300,000 were in a legal structure that meant the land was excluded from his parents’ estate

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