Saturday 9 May: The blanket lockdown cannot be justified by ‘following the science’

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/05/08/lettersthe-blanket-lockdown-cannot-justified-following-science/

939 thoughts on “Saturday 9 May: The blanket lockdown cannot be justified by ‘following the science’

  1. Good morning all and thank you Geoff. Bright & Sunny here in Derbyshire.

          1. There was a young lady of Wantage
            Of whom the town clerk took advantage.
            Said the borough surveyor,
            “Indeed you must pay her,
            You’ve totally altered her frontage!’

  2. Good morning all.

    The sun took its time breaking through the clouds but shining warmly now.

  3. Good Morning Folks,

    Another sunny start here as well, make the most of it.

      1. From memory, after using such code words (Broadsword and Danny Boy) to confuse the enemy, their conversation includes real names and mission objectives!!! (Good day to NoTTLers one and all.)

  4. Like any war, Covid-19 is a dream for socialists. Boris has to lead us to safety. Charles Moore. 8 May 2020.

    As in 1945, the policy is presided over by a Conservative prime minister, although he is an eloquent opponent of socialism. Also as in that era, the West is threatened by a massive eastern power which, until recently, many had come to regard as friendly. Whereas the Soviet Union exported deadly ideology to the wider world, the Chinese Communist Party, through incompetence and cover-up, has exported deadly disease. In her VE Day broadcast last night, the Queen said that those who laid down their lives “died so we could live as free people in a world of free nations”. Despite the defeat of Nazism, their global aim was not fully achieved then, and it is not fully achieved now.

    BELOW THE LINE.

    Annie Williams 8 May 2020 9:34PM.

    ‘They died so that we might be a free nation…’

    Their valiant ghosts must now be wondering why the hell they bothered.

    Amen to that!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/08/like-war-covid-19-dream-socialists-boris-has-lead-us-safety/

  5. Letters:

    “SIR – Next week we need to hear: “Go out. Spend money. Save jobs.

    “Jane Moth”

    None of my clothes are moth-eaten and I have enough without buying more. After my recent clearouts I’ve no intention of filling the house with the sort of stuff I’ve got rid of.

    Isn’t it time we stopped relying on endless over-consumption to keep the economy going and came up with a sustainable model to take us into a future where raw materials and energy may be in short supply?

    1. We have an ever growing stash of stuff; but tips and charity shops are shut.

      1. I think tips are gradually being opened across the country as rough sleepers are finding it difficult to bed down because of all the fly-tipped stuff hogging the pavements.

        According to my neighbour, even places in Africa which once accepted charity clothing now say they can’t cope with the amount they’ve been given.

        1. Ah …. you’ve seen MB’s collection of pastel coloured flares and “I’m alright, Cyril’ T-shirts.

    2. What do you suggest, Eddy?

      Without meaning to be rude – should we all grow potatoes? Perhaps I should quit my job and write – which I would love to do.

      How then does junior get fed and Mongo eat? My hopes and dreams? How do we fill the car up? Who builds my computer to write with?

      1. I suggest we accept that endless over-consumption can’t go on for ever and would class the things you mention as essentials, not over-consumption.

        Only my opinion but I feel an economy based on chucking good stuff out to make room for new stuff every five minutes is unsustainable in the long run.

        1. That’s not good enough – what is ‘endless over consumption’?

          That ignores the modern world though: goods are cheap because of mass production. That needs a cheap workforce to make stuff. We have that, it’s called Asia. We created millions of jobs over there. If this were not our manufacturing approach then goods would be vastly more expensive and unaffordable to the majority of people.

          Again, what is overconsumption if not the monumental leveller between rich and poor that the poor no longer have wash stuff by hand, can have cheap clothes, gadgets and furniture?

  6. Morning again

    SIR – My father had an undistinguished war and returned to his wife and children in 1945 after giving about six years of his life to a bloody victory.

    Arriving in 1946, I was a scruffy little person from the back streets of Liverpool, but it was borne in on me as I grew up that I was lucky. Health and education were freely given; we were exposed to culture, art and aspiration.

    My life has been blessed, thanks to my father’s war and that of so many other men and women like him. I remember with gratitude and tears.

    David Byrne

    Newcastle upon Tyne

  7. SIR – After easyJet announced that my flight was cancelled, I emailed the company. It sent me an email address to use so that I could ask for a refund. I sent this request on April 11, and the money was paid to my account on April 14. For the return journey the transaction took 14 days.

    I shall certainly use easyJet again.

    Chris Lewis

    Widnes, Cheshire

    1. You may have got your money back promptly, Chrissy-boy, but you haven’t had the experience of flying with them.

      Quite a different story.

      1. ‘Morning, Peddy, I used to fly with them a lot for work and at best they were mediocre and often late.

        They had a slogan, “If you’re late, we won’t wait.” They got quite miffed when I suggested that they add another line, “But if we’re late, tough sh1t, Mate.”

        1. ‘Morning, Tom.

          I used to fly with them between Västerås & Stanstead/Luton. Not a happy experience. On the occasion when I was flying home to Sweden
          for my birthday, they cancelled the flight after we had been waiting at the gate for 2 hours.

        2. For all their reported faults, I have found Ryanair to be remarkably punctual.
          If you follow their rules they are also good value.

      2. I fly with them several times a year because their generous hand baggage allowance lets me get my photograhy gear away with me.

        Never have a problem, apart from twice in over a hundred occasions when an aircraft switch at short notice left them undersupplied in some of the meal selections. Occasional delays have been down to volcanoes and French air traffic controllers.

        They are fine by me.

  8. Good morning, all. Bright and sunny start to the day.

    I thought the Queen spoke very well; you’d never think she was the age she is, would you?

    1. Morning Bill.

      A fantastic lady who knocks our political class into a cocked hat.

  9. So, people arriving are to go into self-isolation for 14 days – STARTING in June. Why not tomorrow, for God’s sake?

      1. Shirley Knott.
        To give the desk pilots time to dream up another excuse to prolong the Stalinist regime?
        Is Mr. Rashid printing the internal passports as we speak?

        1. “Ausweis bitte”. Gosh – imagine how the current Stasi would LURVE that….

        2. Mr Gates is preparing the personal identification all purpose movement tracking credit card injections.

    1. Because there are no systems or protocols in place, no people fully trained in diversity awareness and no civil service department with full graded hierarchy to oversee it all.

          1. Gotta try to keep sane.

            I’d ask for yours, but they clearly don’t work.

    2. It will be interesting to see how Boris answers that question tomorrow, assuming someone in the press pack asks it.

      1. It will be interesting to see if the question is never asked – just as no searching questions were asked before the general election about the Boris’s WA being the same as May’s. This is why they moved heaven and earth to avoid Johnson being interviewed on television by Andrew Neil.

      2. IF ‘ifs’ and ‘ands’ were pots and pans, we’d have no need for tinkers. (Stinkers?)

        1. If ‘ifs’ and ‘buts’ were tarts and sluts we’d have no need for brothels.

    3. …and who is going to oversee such a scheme?? What is to stop yer recent arrivals from getting out and about well before the completion of a fortnight’s self-imposed isolation? I have yet to fathom how this scheme – which is about 6 weeks too late – will work.

      Am I missing something here?

      ‘Morning, Bill.

      1. You old cynic, Hugh. You took the very thought from my finger tips!

        Though, without wishing to brag, from 21 March, when the MR and I returned to Fulmodeston, neither of us left the house (or garden) for 17 days. We believed that self-imposed quarantine was vital.

    4. I think that the government is waiting until their contract with the people smugglers has expired. Clearly this contract is still in force and will be for a few more weeks.

      The EU doesn’t work for Britain because Britain, unlike France, keeps too scrupulously to the rules and their word and deal with the criminals must be honoured.

  10. So, people arriving are to go into self-isolation for 14 days – STARTING in June. Why not tomorrow, for God’s sake?

  11. Prime Minister uses VE Day call to ask Russia to help find Covid-19 vaccine. 8 May 2020.

    The Prime Minister, during a phone call with President Vladimir Putin to mark the 75th anniversary of VE Day, suggested Russia take part in a global vaccine summit next month being hosted by the UK.

    While Mr Johnson told the long-standing leader there remain “obstacles” in developing stronger bilateral relations between the two nations, he opened the door to working “together” to find an inoculation against Covid-19.

    This generous offer to overlook the “obstacle” of Salisbury has of course nothing to do with the fact that Russia has only just announced that it is beginning human trials on their own vaccine. Only a cynic like myself would think that since the UK has no prospects of developing a vaccine in the short term they are hoping to jump on board and get something for nothing. This proposal does however tell us something else, and that is that Boris has not yet been told that the Skripals have been murdered. Had he known this he would hardly (at least I hope not) have made such a crass and unfeeling suggestion. Whatever their views about Sergei, who is after all a traitor, the Russians are bound to find it offensive in that Yulia, who has committed no crime in either country, deserved such a fate.

    https://www.gazetteseries.co.uk/news/national/18437247.prime-minister-uses-ve-day-call-ask-russia-help-find-covid-19-vaccine/

    1. Good morning, Minty. I don’t want to start yesterday’s thread again. But could you answer one question for me Do you believe that the two Russian chaps, seen on video cameras and interviewed about Salisbury cathedral DID come to the UK or not?

      1. Not sure what happened in Salisbury, it must have been some attempt at a covid style world order game changing scam that went wrong, it is now forgotten, covid will be forgotten at some point when they move on to the next stage of whatever it is they are up to.

        1. You have not answered my question. I am not discussing what happened to the Skripels. Do you accept that these two chaps (who are officers in whatever the KGB is called these days) came to Salisbury? Yes or no.

          1. Well of course I know what leading questions are and you have not answered mine. Let’s call it a draw.

          2. Personally, I think that Porton Down was involved.

            On the other hand, given that Skripel was, in Russian eyes, a traitor, and knowing how the Russians traditionally treat traitors, I believe that these two chaps were not in Salisbury simply to measure the famous cathedral spire.

            Could you suggest why they were there?

          3. You know you are sounding quite rejuvenated since you returned Bill. You must tell me what you are taking for it. As to why they were there one could invent a plethora of explanations. Perhaps they were there to get him out! Back to the safety of Mother Russia!

          4. Of course – so he could claim his full pension. Silly me.

            Rejuvenated is hardly the word. I have been crippled (Skripelled) with bronchitis for the last four weeks, and dare not go to a GP for fear of having Novochok prescribed.

          5. Quite possibly, possibly to assist the Skripals to return to Russia after they had misled British Intelligence.

          6. The theory goes, Shripal Senior’s defection was planned as a means of feeding false information to the UK.
            When British Intelligence began to realise they’d been had, Moscow took the decision to pull him out & back home.
            His daughter’s visit was part of that plan, backed up by the two cathedral enthusiasts.
            MI6 (or was it MI5?) got wind of the plan, took care of the Skripals themselves and concocted the story that every one and his dog has swallowed.

          7. Much of my perception of Novichok goes strongly against my chemical warfare training.
            As for the scent bottle, there are far too many holes in that story.

          8. If you wanted to kill someone with a chemical you’d use something fast and lethal. You wouldn’t paint their door knocker in insecticide.

            Batrachotoxin from Amazonian tree frogs would have been a good candidate.

          9. There had to be a hole otherwise they couldnt have got it out of the bottle.

          10. MI6 (or was it MI5?) got wind of the plan, took care of the Skripals themselves and concocted the story that every one and his dog has swallowed.

            Well not quite everyone Bob!

          11. “Shripal Senior’s defection was planned as a means of feeding false information to the UK.”

            And to the US with the Steele dossier?

        1. Thought it was Sainsbury’s (for Cathedral Mature Cheddar).

          Morning Anne.

  12. One bit of good news – for a change – when I rose in the night for a lengthy coughing fit, I discovered that he “heat bleed” radiator was HOT – suggesting that the air has found its own way out of the system. I shan’t believe it until the same thing happens tonight!

      1. Nothing like the old ones. My Dad knew James Robertson Justice! Through Ice Hockey.

        1. I worked with Wilfred Hyde White’s cousin. The only obvious resemblance was the rather long chin.
          Her stories about her experiences as an ATS corporal made me rethink the old tales I’d been fed about the Blitz spirit and the all in it together schtick.

          1. I once met a chap whose cousin once noticed the husband of Minnie Higginbottom’s domestic cleaner talking to the chap who ran the Co-op in Scunthorpe.

            Small world.

          2. 🙂
            Six degrees of separation; I once saw Jim Dale in New Bond Street (in the days when Fenwick’s sale was worth a visit).

          3. Running from Bush House to my office next to the Law Courts in the Strand, I dashed past the entrance to Australia House to find my way blocked by the Queen Mother, I swerved, she smiled – she was about two feet from me!

          4. I think you win the name dropping contest.

            I once shared a joint with Julian Clary in a rather louche club. I also traded friendly insults with Jean Paul Gautier.

          5. To be a really successful name dropper you need to drop the names of people that no-one has ever heard of and follow it up by looking with scornful condescension at the ignoramuses who have never heard of the person whose name you have dropped. When I was at school shared a study with Roger Mason.

          6. I will assume you mean the Professor and not the Basketball player. 🙂

          7. That reminds me of a tale of Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother who, when she was Queen, had expressed a desire to see the elaborately painted ceiling in the dining room.

            Since it is, or was, one of the last bastions of male privacy and in the film The Avengers, Boodle’s is shown and as Uma Thurman’s character Emma Peel, walks in it is said “No females have been in Boodle’s since 1762”, this request from the then Queen put the Secretary in something of a dilemma. How to acquiesce to a Royal Desire without breaking a taboo on females in the club?

            It is reported that he made the appointment for 3:30 in the afternoon, enough time to shew off the ceiling and entertain the lady to tea before hustling her out by 4:30 before members started arriving for their own tea.

            It appears all went well until her departure, which was observed by a member walking up St James to the Club. He immediately called the Secretary and asked, “Was that a woman I saw leaving the Club?” The Secretary replied, “That was no woman, Sir that was the Queen!” whereupon the member replied, “Thin edge of the wedge, Johnson; arrange for me resignation immediately!”

          8. I bumped into Steph Blackwell (cute little 2019 Bake-Off contestant) and her mum in London Bridge underground station concourse last October. I was star-struck! :•)

          9. How am I expected to dance a Waltz (3:4 time) with just two feet? Those feet (both left by the way) get so easily confused! :•(

          10. I once met a chap whose cousin once noticed the husband of Minnie Higginbottom’s domestic cleaner talking to the chap who ran the Co-op in Scunthorpe.

            Small world.

        2. My team was Harringay Racers. Used to go with brothers and sisters quite regularly.

    1. ‘Morning Anne, an interesting read and top comment BTL hits the proverbial nail squarely on the head:

      “ Avatar
      Oaknash
      5 hours ago
      “If the UK had responsible news media and representative assemblies which reflect the concerns of the majority of sane and decent people, a police-state action of that order would cause a national uproar.”

      And there Neil – you have hit the nail on the head.
      Scotland is in the same if not a more lamentable state because exactly the same liars, cowards, jobsworths, despots and con artists have thoroughly infected the political/business class from top to bottom. From MPs the judiciary in fact most of the establishment and most importantly the MSM.

      This is a world where “old fashion values” such as families, prudence, common sense and the nation state are seen as a threat to be eradicated rather than values to be nurtured because those we oppose can only achieve their nefarious ends by first inflicting chaos upon us.

      Unfortunately you have to listen to Sturgeon we had to listen to Corbyn/David Lammy/ as our “go to irritants” inflicted on us by the media and now after Labours defeat there is a new snake oil salesman in town called Starmer.

      But in reality we are no better off in the UK it was “Conservative” PM Theresa May who tried to undermine Brexit and who introduced the “hate crime” legislation and it is Conservative PM Johnson who has maintained hate crime legislation, who has ignored illegal migration and who has paralysed the country in “lockdown” I expect the only reason he has not reneged on brexit is because even he couldnt get away with it at the moment.

      Everyone in England and Scotland has been silo ed in their own little world of concerns but we no longer seem to care, or want to see the whole picture. I believe now that nothing will change in both our lands until people finally wake up and realise they are being lied to and manipulated on a industrial scale. And the only way to achieve this is to turn the telly off and not up – and hit the streets, and in truth we are a long way from this – and to be honest by the time we reach this stage, things may be too late.

      Sorry to be so negative – but things will continue to look bad for our society until we turn of the BBC led MSM and finally realise that there is another world out there called common sense and reality, but we will never be able to reach it until we turn off the 48″ plasma liar that has been lying to us for so very long and start actually talking and listening to real people again and let the oppressive, progressive scales finally fall away from our eyes.”

    1. Judging by the size of his girth, that must be our regular correspondent in Sweden at work with his brushes.

  13. The UK response to the coronavirus outbreak shows we have no right to act superior over other nations. Indy. Mary Dejevsky 8 May 2020.

    A recent video, just a minute or so long and snatched from Channel 4‘s Gogglebox, is telling. Here we have the regular team of TV viewers on their sofas, watching Boris Johnson speaking outside Downing Street on his first day back at work.

    When he talks of “our apparent success” in dealing with the coronavirus outbreak, there’s a slight pause, before they explode in incredulity: “Apparent success?” “What success?” “It’s been an absolute shambles. It’s a shitshow. They said a good result would have been 20,000 people and we are at 20,000 and there are still people losing their lives.” “A model of success?”

    Their response is notable for several things: their unanimity and the utter derision with which they greet the prime minister’s insistence on the UK’s “apparent success”. But a third is their awareness of the numbers and where the UK fits in. All this is at a time when the prime minister remains relatively popular and before the official death toll from the virus passed 30,000 – as it did this week.

    Morning everyone. I haven’t seen this edition of Gogglebox (or any other so far as I’m aware) but I see no reason to doubt Dejevsky’s account. What strikes me about it is the difference between this unedited view of the Governments performance and that given in Opinion Polls where they bask in approval ratings of historic proportions.

    As to the “right” to act superior over other nations” There has never been such a right. The UK held its position for several centuries by virtue of its strength, both economic and military This has now lapsed and we must go cap in hand to lesser polities!

    https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/voices/coronavirus-deaths-uk-lockdown-boris-johnson-nhs-a9504591.html

    1. Mary Dejevsky- one of the reasons we gave up the “Independent” [was a paper ever so inaccurately named] a long time ago!

    2. Last night, the Gogglebox viewers immediately latched on to the Orwellian dimension of the track and trace technology.
      I was surprised that the film editor left it in.

    3. Morning, AM, the problem with Gogglebox, (or a problem), is that they record multiple viewers reaction to things. This is fine when it is a TV series or a film but when it is a political event they tend to follow the CH 4 line on editing. Anything that can be shown anti Boris, anti Trump etc. Makes first cut.

    1. EEC – EUSSR- One World Government….Hello!

      The EEC was just the softening up process..

    2. EEC – EUSSR- One World Government….Hello!

      The EEC was just the softening up process..

  14. Like any war, Covid-19 is a dream for socialists. Boris has to lead us to safety. Charles Moore. 8 May 2020.

    As in 1945, the policy is presided over by a Conservative prime minister, although he is an eloquent opponent of socialism. Also as in that era, the West is threatened by a massive eastern power which, until recently, many had come to regard as friendly. Whereas the Soviet Union exported deadly ideology to the wider world, the Chinese Communist Party, through incompetence and cover-up, has exported deadly disease. In her VE Day broadcast last night, the Queen said that those who laid down their lives “died so we could live as free people in a world of free nations”. Despite the defeat of Nazism, their global aim was not fully achieved then, and it is not fully achieved now.

    BELOW THE LINE.

    Annie Williams 8 May 2020 9:34PM.

    ‘They died so that we might be a free nation…’

    Their valiant ghosts must now be wondering why the hell they bothered.

    Amen to that!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/08/like-war-covid-19-dream-socialists-boris-has-lead-us-safety/

    1. It’s interesting that the green fanatics aren’t out in force.

      After all, this is their utopia. Or are they annoyed they can’t buy their frothy coffees in a plastic pot?

    2. 319021+ up ticks,
      Morning As,
      We the decent peoples of the country
      differ from those of 39/45 in so far as we are fighting on multiple fronts.
      Meaning against three governing parties that up until 24/6/2016 were
      anti UK pro eu.
      In the main the same politico’s are in with a shout, again their rhetoric will be taken by many as gospel & swallowed as the fodder for fools.
      Small example big ongoing unacceptable consequences.
      Re. beaches / airports.
      🎵
      Close the door they’er coming in the windows,
      Ho! the country’s full and wont hold
      any more.
      Currently trust no politico’s in power
      without cast iron, up front, in your face
      proof of ACTIONS TAKEN.

      Should be the anti lab/lib/con mantra
      chanted daily at every meeting.

  15. Morning all

    SIR – Science proceeds by putting forward conjectures or hypotheses, collecting empirical data to test them, and accepting, rejecting or modifying them on that basis.

    The implication is that our scientific understanding is not fixed, but changes as evidence accumulates. In the United Kingdom the initial decision to impose lockdown to control the effects of Covid-19 was based on a conjecture or model that has now been tested against real data and is found to be wanting.

    The model predicts that, under the sustainable public health measures taken by Sweden and in the absence of lockdown, there should now be 60,000 deaths in that country from Covid-19, whereas there are currently only about 3,000 there, with deaths now well past the peak and declining.

    Given the failure of the model to make useful predictions, there is no justification for using it to guide future policy. In contrast, large amounts of empirical evidence have now been gathered which demonstrate that for a very large fraction of the population the virus poses a very low risk, while a small fraction – whose immune systems are compromised – are vulnerable.

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    Therefore, to follow the science, an appropriate policy is the targeted shielding of those who choose to be classified as vulnerable, rigorous screening of their carers to prevent transfer of infection to the vulnerable sector, and release from lockdown for those outside these categories.

    Continuing the blanket lockdown cannot be justified on the basis that it is “following the science”.

    Professor Richard Ennos

    Edinburgh

    SIR – The Government tells us we can leave our homes only once a day to take exercise. As a solicitor I know that this is legally incorrect.

    The Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020 provide that people can leave the place where they are living “to take exercise either alone or with other members of their household”. Although it may be sensible to leave one’s home only once a day to exercise, there is no legal restriction on how many times one can go out each day to exercise.

    Sandy Pratt

    Storrington, West Sussex

    SIR – I suggest that Monday’s headline might read: “Jam tomorrow.”

    Vic Nicholls

    Taunton, Somerset

    SIR – Next week we need to hear: “Go out. Spend money. Save jobs.”

    Jane Moth

    Snettisham, Norfolk

    SIR – One function of broadsheet newspapers, opened out while one is sitting on a train, has always been to provide a physical barrier against other passengers.

    With the resumption of commuting being considered, The Daily Telegraph can once again come into its own.

    Stephen Cross

    London SW15

    1. I wouldn’t bank on it, Stephen Cross. The DT appears to me to be in rapid and obvious decline (again). Survival this time is far from guaranteed.

      ‘Morning, Epi.

    2. SIR – I am horrified by the new NHS contact-tracing app (report, May 8), which is a case study in how not to approach the problem.

      The NHS has a history of failure in IT projects. For example, by the time the decision was made – in 2010 – to abandon the notorious National Programme for IT, it had cost over £10 billion.

      This contact-tracing app involves all data being held centrally, with associated risks to cyber security and privacy and the danger of mission creep.

      It is open to abuse, because it relies on self-reporting rather than on tracing the contacts of people who have actually been tested. A single malicious user or a hypochondriac could cause dozens or hundreds of people to self-isolate for no reason.

      Tech-savvy people have warned that the app has other serious flaws. It drains phone batteries and cannot communicate with locked phones. Nor will it be compatible with the systems used in other countries – most significantly the Republic of Ireland.

      The NHS contact-tracing app embodies an outdated mentality of central command, control and competence. The Government must follow more tech-savvy nations in adopting an app based on Apple and Google’s contact-tracing framework.

      Otto Inglis

      Crossgates, Fife

  16. SIR – Thanks to the Government’s furlough scheme, a quarter of workers are being paid up to £2,500 a month not to do anything (Business, May 7).

    Why are such people not required to do something useful to receive this payment? Tasks could include taking online courses and updating skills to increase productivity; exploring new markets (desk research); developing new products and services or new ways of delivering existing ones; harvesting crops, and so on.

    Jeremy Tozer

    Stoke Row, Oxfordshire

    1. Just think of the astronomical costs on initiating such a programme as well of the costs of monitoring any ‘outputs’

      Is it just me or is Mr Tozer most aptly named?

    2. Because that would infringe their ‘Uman Roits, of course, Jeremy. Do keep up with the times.

    3. In this context, St Paul’s message in his letter to the Thessalonians was simpler and more effective. Any who will not work, shall not eat.

  17. Professor Lockdown Neil Ferguson should NOT have resigned over secret trysts at his London flat with married mistress say epidemiologists because ‘we need all the assets we can use in time of crisis’. 9 May 2020.

    Thibaut Jombart, a member of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicines Modeling Group, and senior lecturer at Imperial College London, where Professor Ferguson was based, coordinated the letter and praised his colleague’s influence on BBC Radio Four’s Today programme.

    Hmmm. Obviously a neutral observer!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8303021/Professor-Lockdown-NOT-resigned-secret-trysts-mistress-say-epidemiologists.html

    1. “Imperial College London, where Professor Ferguson was biased…” There, sorted Minty.

      1. The thing is, ‘Brandon’ approve his resignation

        On University Challehge, no team answers were allowed, without his approval

        1. Why wasn’t he made captain then?

          I did notice, though, that in the final a good number of correct answers were given by the winning captain without recourse to the Yank ‘brain’ sitting on his right. That captain played a captain’s innings yet he received none of the kudos for the win.

      1. It was a Torygraph “scoop” – so one might assume that they had been keeping tabs on him…

    2. There’s no use “praising his influence”.

      He was wrong before, and he has now been shown to be wrong again.

        1. Here’s the quote Bill:-

          His track record is not one to be terribly proud of.

          Back in 2009 he and his team at London’s Imperial College said that swine flu would kill 65,000 British people. It actually killed fewer than 500.

          Do you remember the BSE scare, better known as Mad Cow Disease? Ferguson and the Imperial team were involved there, too.

          Said it could kill as many as 150,000 people in the UK. How many did it kill? A total of 178.

          And there was bird flu, back in 2005. Ferguson was at it again, suggesting that 200million could die from it worldwide.

          How far out was he, in the end? Oh, out only by 199,999,700 or so. Bird flu killed just 282 people worldwide.

          1. And thanks to him millions of perfectly healthy cattle and sheep were killed in 2001.

        2. Here’s the quote Bill:-

          His track record is not one to be terribly proud of.

          Back in 2009 he and his team at London’s Imperial College said that swine flu would kill 65,000 British people. It actually killed fewer than 500.

          Do you remember the BSE scare, better known as Mad Cow Disease? Ferguson and the Imperial team were involved there, too.

          Said it could kill as many as 150,000 people in the UK. How many did it kill? A total of 178.

          And there was bird flu, back in 2005. Ferguson was at it again, suggesting that 200million could die from it worldwide.

          How far out was he, in the end? Oh, out only by 199,999,700 or so. Bird flu killed just 282 people worldwide.

      1. It is the story of his life Janet only this time he has done for us!

        1. Does he see this disaster as the nadir or, bearing in mind his love of staats, the climax of his career?

          1. When I joined the design team in the regional headquarters back in the early ’80s we used a computing system that had 8″ ones.😎

    3. If he’s an ‘asset’ I’d hate to see what other experts are available to the Gummint.

    4. I doubt the Mail bothered to ask but if *he* can ignore quarantine, why can’t the rest of us?

  18. Despite Yet more lies Categorical denials by Ursula –

    “ The EU has admitted it let China censor an op-ed by the bloc’s ambassadors
    By Carly Walsh and Simon Cullen, CNN
    Updated 1213 GMT (2013 HKT) May 8, 2020

    CNN)The European Union has acknowledged it allowed the Chinese government to censor an opinion piece published in the country, removing a reference to the origin of the coronavirus outbreak and its subsequent spread worldwide.

    The piece was jointly authored by the EU’s ambassador Nicolas Chapuis along with the ambassadors to China for the EU’s 27 member states to mark 45 years of EU-China diplomatic relations.

    In the original piece published on the EU delegation’s website, the ambassadors wrote that “the outbreak of the coronavirus in China, and its subsequent spread to the rest of the world over the past three months” had side-tracked pre-existing diplomatic plans.
    But in the version that appears on the website of China Daily, a state-owned newspaper, the reference to the origin of coronavirus in China and its spread is removed.
    While the EU Delegation to China said it “strongly regrets” the change, it also admitted that it ultimately agreed for the censored piece to be published because it still contained “key messages on a number of our priority areas.”
    “The EU Delegation was informed by the media in question that the publication of the Op-Ed would only be allowed by the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs on the condition that a part of a sentence related to the origins and spread of the coronavirus was removed,” the Delegation said in a statement. “The EU Delegation to China made known its objections to the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs in no uncertain terms.”

    “ As the Op-Ed states, while the EU and China have differences, notably on human rights, our partnership has become mature enough to allow frank discussions on these issues. This is what makes this incident even more regrettable,” the Delegation’s statement adds.
    CNN has asked China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs for a response. “

  19. DT Story Charles Moore

    Like any war, Covid-19 is a dream for socialists. Boris has to lead us to safety

    I saw as soon he was made leader of the Labour Party that Starmer, however vacuous and bland we consider him to be, is infinitely more electable than Corbyn; we must not forget that.

    We must also never forget that, in 1945 – just a couple of months after VE Day – Churchill, our national saviour and hero, suffered a defeat to Attlee whose victory in the general election – with a majority that was considerably more overwhelming than Johnson’s relatively paltry (under 100 seats) majority in 2019 – swept Labour to power.

    If Cameron could not secure an outright majority against Brown, the worst prime minister in history, and when May could not secure an outright victory against bogeyman, Corbyn, I fear that Johnson is going to need a new canoe and a new paddle or he will surely be well and truly up excremental estuary.

      1. By accident; it was a beneficial by-product of his visceral loathing of Blair.

      2. Morning all. But Brown ruined the private pensions, which once really were the best in Europe. And he almost gave away our gold reserves.

        1. I’m not saying Brown wasn’t crap but we’d be up shite alley in the eurozone…..n’est pas?

    1. Brown wasn’t even close to the worst PM in history.

      Sure he wasn’t great, but do you really think he’s worse than Ted Heath? Call me Dave? Eden? Douglas-Home? Neville Chamberlain? May?

      Attlee often wins best PM of the 20th century polls, with only Churchill or Thatcher being able to knock him from that perch.

      I don’t like Starmer, he’s a through and through Blairite. I’m fed up with people just tinkering with the obviously failing status quo.

      1. Good morning, Thayaric

        He certainly has some very stiff competition.

      2. Was Chamberlain buying time?
        The British government had, once again, allowed our defences to become weak.
        Will we ever have politicians with a grasp of history or even an understanding of insurance cover?

        1. Some plonker put us back on the Gold Standard. Try affording defence when your spending is limited by your gold-finding activities.
          It was late 1931 when we came off the gold standard after Churchill took us onto it in April 1925. However the budget of 1931 was an austerity budget even though we came off the Gold Standard so that we could get expansionary. Public sector wages were cut, departmental budgets were cut, public sector staff were laid off. The Navy responded to that budget with the Invergordon mutiny, about 1000 sailors went on strike. The currency started eroding fast but then other countries came off the gold standard too and the currency appreciated again. We were largely free trading then too so domestic production was being replaced by foreign production. We were late adopting the protectionism that was so good for the economy following WW2.
          All in all we were in no position to build defence up. They had the tools but no experience in using them, so they carried on acting a lot like they were still on the gold standard.

      3. Yes. Gordon Brown was a sodding nightmare.

        Compared to Cameron Dave was a shining angel.

        Brown was warned – repeatedly, regularly about the damage his malice would do to the economy and political arrogance kept him fiddling and faffing with the banking code. When the banks broke, he blamed a ‘global financial crisis ‘ a complete fiction as we and the US – for the same reason – massive state debt and oppressive regulation – were really affected.

        He removed the regulator, installing his own state controlled one and crashed the economy, robbed our pensions to pay public sector ones and hiked taxes to oblivion and invoked emergency powers to keep his taxes rolling in while the economy tanked and burned.

        Gordon Brown was everything wrong with Labour: arrogant, stupid, ignorant, malicious, vicious, spiteful, wasteful. Cameron went wrong in not undoing all of Brown’s destruction. Yet he couldn’t – because of Labour’s vote buying with private wealth he was trapped. Brown should be forced to beg and plead in jail for what he did to this country.

        1. ‘Afternoon, Wibbles, you could almost say that Brown was a ‘Bigot!’

          1. He was a prat. That very statement typified his attitude – arrogance, hubris, condescension, utterly dismissive of the facts. He needed a slap and a reminder that everything he did turned to manure because his blasted ideas were those of a deranged, malignant, moron trying to turn the economy upside down by brute force taxation and abusive immigration.

            And Arf’noon.

          2. Exchequer Gordon – he of the Green taxes?
            They were all Brown taxes in order to maintain handouts to their voters.

        2. Christ so much misinformation it’s a wonder where to start.

          OK the FSA which was nothing more than Thatcher’s Securities and Investment Board. Given a new name, and made into a Quango. It still exists, and still does much the same job after it’s 2013 renaming to the Financial Conduct Authority. Yes it was so bad, and so desperately in need of replacement it took Dave and George 3 years to get around to it. Then they replaced it with three state controlled quangos/companies. The BoE which is fully owned by the Treasury and reports to the Treasury, The FCA, and the PRA which are both quangos.

          We were hit hard by the GFC because we are the second biggest banking nation on Earth after USA. We were not hit by the GFC because of state debt at all. Packaged up mortgage debt given false ratings by ratings agencies was the cause of the GFC and it affected governments around the world, hence the name for it starting with Global.

          The pension raid was the third raid on pensions after Lawson and Lamont had both been there previously. Lawson forced them all into deficit as he instigated a tax on perceived surpluses in pension funds. Lamont did much the same as Brown tinkering with ACT. In fact that’s where he got the idea from.

          Brown hiked taxes to oblivion? On some he did, but they were mostly indirect taxes the sort loved by Thatcherites. Corporation tax was pegged to income tax and a 10% income tax band was introduced. There was also marginal relief for companies with profits between 10k and 50k where the small companies rate kicked in which at the time was 19%. Oil and gas extraction companies paid a bit more, they were taxed at a heavier rate. Fossil fuels were deemed to be a major driver of climate change and not renewable. The main rate I believe was 30% which has been cut significantly now but there was no increase in wages from that cut despite the fact that employees bear most of the burden of corporation tax. Board members did manage to double their wealth while everyone else was in austerity to pay for it however. The small business rate increased by 1% in 2007 and another 1% in 2008.
          Income tax was largely left alone apart from the introduction and ending of the 10% band, and late in Labour’s tenure introduction of the 50% band which the Tories cut to 45% after 2010.
          VAT was cut by Labour and massively put up by the Tories who do so love a consumption tax but don’t understand the need to be rid of it.
          Well that’s 95% of the fiscal system right there. What you say doesn’t seem to hold up to scrutiny. In fact we can clearly see that the Tories tax changes were far worse for the average man. No benefit from cutting corporation tax rates, an economy in austerity, and an extra 5% on VAT. Yet this is ‘shining angel behaviour’ compared to Brown supposedly.
          Invoked emergency powers to keep taxes rolling in while the economy tanked? No we borrowed and ran a 10% deficit so that unemployment didn’t tank too badly in the aftermath of a once in a hundred years financial crash. In fact taxes overall were cut as VAT was reduced to 15% and this is the most harmful and regressive tax most people regularly pay.
          If he was as bad as you say it should be easily proven. You have about 15 hours until I’m back from work to research and formulate your reply.

        1. Worst PM of my lifetime for sure (well until May who certainly could give him a run for his money).
          Probably not the worst of the 20th century.
          Definitely not the worst ever.

    2. Starmer will not so much win the next election, as Johnson will lose it.

      Johnson is well underway with this outcome, HS2, 5G, lack of quarantine, a never ending procession of illegals landing on our shores, just a few obvious examples.

        1. I think he looked at HS2 and thought ‘spent 200bn, may as well finish it’ – not to mention the corruption and back handers paid out to get the thing done.

          5G is simply institutionalise corruption. With scum like Mandelson bribing current MPs with Huwaei cash to get their tech in while being paid very well for his obviously being on the take markets hav eno chance.

          Quarantine must end and was, arguably hte wrong decision. The media whipped up a frenzy making it an automatic killer. It isn’t. If people had a brain and realised it’s a strain of flu they’d approach it differently, but no, scared and stupid people are reacting like scared and stupid people.

          The BBC needs bringing to heel. Not decriminalising the fee was daft. Making it subscription only was even worse. With a pro Left, lying by omission broadcaster beholden to it’s board and cronies rather than the customer it will continue to pump out tripe to further it’s agenda.

  20. This week’s hard copy of The Telegraph has arrived – off to do battle with the puzzles and keep the grey matter churning.

    Bis später

  21. Tara Reade details assault claim against Joe Biden in Megyn Kelly interview. 8 may 2020.

    Tara Reade repeated her allegations of sexual assault against Joe Biden in an in-depth interview with Megyn Kelly released on Friday, answering questions on who she shared her story with and why she supported the former vice president publicly in the past.

    Reade has accused Biden of sexually assaulting her in 1993, when she worked as an aide in his Senate office. She told Kelly, a former Fox News and NBC host who memorably sparred with Trump during the 2016 campaign over his treatment of women, that Biden pushed her against the wall in a Senate hallway and digitally penetrated her against her will.

    I suppose that if Joe did go down because of Reade’s allegations this would provide as good as; perhaps better, an excuse than anything else for dumping him and bringing in Hillary Clinton!

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/08/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-claim-megyn-kelly

  22. I trust when the dust begins to settle and the pulverisation of our economy becomes clearer the burden and misery of redundancy and unemployment will be shared equally between the Public and Private sectors……………..
    (I’m such a card I should be on the stage)

  23. Scientists in Brazil have found that the countries most affected by the coronavirus spread are the ones who continued to allow unrestricted travel across their borders, prompting further arguments that the most effective method of preventing the spread is tighter frontier controls.

    The research, carried out by the Federal University of Bahia in Salvador, suggests that screening and quarantining those coming into countries from outside could have been “a cheap solution for humanity”.

    The researchers based their analysis on records of 7,834 airports, using online flight databases documenting 67,600 transport routes in 65 countries.

    The scientists factored in a number of forces, including climate, socioeconomic factors, as well economic and air transport, in an attempt to ascertain how the size of outbreaks was affected in 65 countries which had more than 100 cases.

    The overwhelming factor was found to be air travel, leading to a conclusion that it is “the main explanation for the growth rate of COVID-19.”

    The study notes that “The 2019 – 2020 world spread of COVID-19 highlights that improvements and testing of board control measures (i.e. screening associated with fast testing and quarantine of infected travellers) might be a cheap solution for humanity in comparison to health systems breakdowns and unprecedented global economic crises that the spread of infectious disease can cause.”

    The data tallies with the fact that the US and the UK, which have the first and third highest air travel globally, have also suffered the most COVID-19 deaths with 74,600 and 30,615, respectively so far.

    The US did not close its airports until late March, while Britain’s borders have remained completely open with little to no testing or quarantining of incoming travellers happening at all.

    1. SWMBO tells me that testing will be brought in for arrivals in the UK next week.
      Stable door, horse, ….

      1. I don’t have a clue who has released this information/rumour but a reporter on the steam radio this morning stated quite seriously that when the testing regime commences those that break the ‘strict’ quarantine regulations will be deported. Seriously.
        As a great many of the imports will no doubt be heading into the various ‘communities’ and quietly disappearing only to occasionally emerge to claim their bennies, I think the reporter either had her tongue firmly embedded in her cheek or is a twat.

        1. ‘Afternoon, Korky, “…either had her tongue firmly embedded in her cheek or is a twat.”

          Or both.

          1. Pleased to report I rarely watch TV these days so no I haven’t seen it.

      1. Easels, Rastus, easels.

        I have a four square metre wall-mounted one (self-designed and built on the French cleat system) as well as a mobile floor easel.

  24. Trade union threats show the contours of the great post-Covid political battles to come. 9 May 2020.

    The teaching unions, for example, are particularly insistent on being given guarantees that their members will be exposed to no risk at all should they return to work. A poll commissioned by the National Association of Headteachers last week showed that only 10 per cent of school leaders felt confident that it would be safe to open their schools to more pupils in coming weeks and only 5 per cent of those leaders believed that their staff would be confident that it was safe to do so.

    BELOW THE LINE.

    Robert Goodman 9 May 2020 1:25PM.

    When did teachers become this self-serving, work shy bunch. Most seem attracted by the decent pay, and holidays just unavailable in any other sphere. Those that don’t leave when it becomes all to much seem to look for any excuse for a day off.

    If I were a teacher, which thank God I am not. I would want to stay on lockdown permanently!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/09/trade-union-threats-show-contours-great-post-covid-political/

    1. And these folk, ladies & gentlemen, are entrusted to teach the nation’s children….

        1. I believe we lost a huge amount of critical thinking with the closure of Grammar schools. My contempt for those who dissolved the Grammar Schools knows no bounds.

          1. I agree. However, if the intention was to dumb down the level of education on offer then closing down the grammar schools was the obvious place to start. Fortunately, no government has had the strength to gird its loins sufficiently to shut down private education. Corbyn and his cronies would have gone there, of that I have no doubt.

          2. I think it occurred to the Labour party that working class kids who had the benefit of a grammar school education, saw through the paucity of their policies and so no longer voted Labour on reaching maturity….

          3. Sadly, it didn’t get through to Stella Creasy – ex Colchester Girls’ High School.

          4. Afternoon, Anne, was Colchester Girl’s High School an amalgam of former Grammar Schools and Secondary Modern, which is what happened in Bungay, in order to morph into Bungay High School, i.e., a bluddy Comprehensive!

          5. No. It is a girls’ grammar school. It has remained as such, despite the worst that Ed. Secs could do.
            My youngest granddaughter is there.

    2. Hang on. I thought children weren’t able to infect adults? Well, according to a recent Swiss study.

    3. If you can :Do

      If you cannot Do: Become a teacher

      If you cannot Teach: Become a Consultant

      The Tastey, Tastey, Very, Very Tastey Family are excluded from this of course

      1. I have to take issue, OLT, with you second, spoiled comment.

        I was a consultant to industry not only in the UK but in France, Norway, Sweden, Abu Dhabi and Singapore to name a few and everywhere I went, I had to identify the ‘As Is’ and formulate how it could work on the IT system (the ‘To Be’) I was helping to put in and then TEACH the users by motivating them to want rather than manipulate them by fear.

        A very satisfying job (for which I was well-paid) to see the lights go on in someone’s head because I was passing on the lessons I’d learnt by working in industry (when we had some).

          1. The sad truth is that many school teachers are indescribably dreary and can be soul-destroyingly boring – but so are people in many other walks of life.

            On the other hand a really inspiring teacher who loves his subject and can communicate that love with a twinkle in his (or her) eye will be amongst the most entertaining people you will ever meet.

            .

      2. To paraphrase Shaw:

        He who can, does.
        He who cannot, teaches.
        He who is beyond clueless, runs a country.

    4. Robert Goodman, a two word message (no it’s not that) Common Purpose.

    5. I said that a couple of days ago. No books to mark, no work to prepare and no 3D last thing on a Friday afternoon, yet still getting 80% of your pay. What’s not to like? I certainly wouldn’t want to go back. Heck, I’m retired and on a lot less than 80% of my salary and there is NO way they would tempt me back into a classroom!

  25. Morning all (and apologies that I so seldom remember my manners).

    I wonder if some kind soul might clarify for me what use taking people’s temperature, as part of screening before entering a particular place, will be, when it is accepted by all that there is a good percentage of the population who are asymptomatic with the lurgy?

    1. We were born into a world of vaccinations and antibiotics. We have always expected to die of cancer, heart disease, hypertension or falling down stairs, not of something we caught. Much as I hope that a cure will be found for this plague, and even better, an inoculation against it, or that it might be time-limited, and will simply go away, I fear that we have entered an era of chronically higher mortality – the kind of mortality that our grandparents lived with, but which we believed had been permanently conquered.

      If I am correct, those who are most vulnerable to this infection will leave the gene pool, and eventually, it will be no worse in its effect than influenza. But that will take a long time, as the old, who have already reproduced themselves, are the first to go (unlike in the case of Spanish flu, which hit the young hardest, ensuring that the weakest among them did not pass on that weakness).

      However credible this scenario may be, no politician would ever openly admit to it.

      1. One of Nature’s way of correcting overpopulation: disease, famine, war.

        1. … lack of potable water, paucity of shelter, shortage of fuel, dearth of biodiversity …

          1. Good morning, Grizzly

            And in Africa too much life-saving medicine and the bits of overseas aid that don’t end p in private and confidential Swiss bank accounts.?

          2. All subsets of famine… Look out for horsemen riding through the skies.

          3. In reality, Paul, all subsets of overpopulation.

            If the planet had maintained a reasonable population of no more than one milliard (Yankee “billion”) people, then famine would be effectively non-existent.

          4. Good morning, Grizzly

            And in Africa too much life-saving medicine and the bits of overseas aid that don’t end p in private and confidential Swiss bank accounts.?

          5. Charity – taking money from the poor in rich countries and giving it to the rich in poor countries.

          6. Good morning, Rastus.

            Apparently the lion’s share of the money raised by Band Aid in 1984 bought fleets of Bentleys for a number of African despots.

          7. I have a cousin who is a film-maker in Rhodesia Zimbabwe. He says that In his country this money is called ‘Mercedes money’.

            Everybody knows it – but why do none of the politicians admit it?

      2. Like the man said: “When we are born we cry that we are come to this great stage of fools”.

      3. Many of the young were weakened by WWI deprivations.
        I would imagine that, as rationing was poorly understood, and the young men had spent months – or even years – in the trenches, they had no reserves to withstand the flu.

      4. I remember a forensic pathologist saying that after examining the corpses of apparently formerly healthy people they were found to have been much further diseased than he would have otherwise expected.

        Is it not better to think yourself healthy rather trying to scientifically prove yourself healthy?

  26. Ferguson’s Lament:

    “A computer, to print out a fact,
    Will divide, multiply, and subtract.
    But this output can be
    No more than debris,
    If the input was short of exact”

  27. Quoted in part elsewhere. Charlie sails along without a care in the world and then runs aground.

    Like any war, Covid-19 is a dream for socialists. Boris has to lead us to safety

    CHARLES MOORE

    “This is your victory,” Winston Churchill told the cheering crowds in Whitehall, 75 years ago yesterday. “No – it’s yours,” they shouted back. They meant it. Yet on July 26 1945, the people decisively threw out Churchill and his Conservatives and voted for the socialism of Clement Attlee’s Labour Party. They meant that, too.

    Total war is good for socialism. Its demands seem to overwhelm all normal considerations of liberty, privacy, property and diversity. It provides a seductive, but false model for the ensuing peace: let us all work together, all do what we’re told. Let the heroes beat their swords into ploughshares and distribute the resulting harvest to all. It is seductive because it purports to reward everyone equally for sacrifice. It is false because it assumes the benign agency of an ever-mightier state.

    Churchill saw this. He was influenced by F A Hayek’s book The Road to Serfdom, published the previous year. It attacked the sort of central economic planning to which the war had given rise in Britain. It argued, as its title suggested, that such planning led not only to poverty, but also to servitude. This was why, Hayek thought, both Nazis (an abbreviation, remember, for National Socialists) and Communists loved central planning. It was their road to power and thus the people’s road to serfdom.

    In the 1945 election campaign, Churchill took up Hayek’s theme. He broadcast that “No socialist government conducting the entire life and industry of the country could afford to allow free, sharp or violently worded expressions of public discontent. They would have to fall back on some form of Gestapo, no doubt very humanely directed in the first instance.”

    The reaction was, rightly, angry. Any implied comparison between the Gestapo and the thoroughly decent Mr Attlee who, as Churchill’s coalition deputy, had been in charge of the home front, seemed insulting and absurd. Churchill’s words contributed to his party’s defeat.

    The following year, Churchill addressed comparable concerns in the different milieu of foreign policy. In a speech at Fulton, Missouri, he made famous a phrase he had already used privately: “An iron curtain has descended across the Continent [of Europe]”. Communist parties, controlled from Moscow, were taking power in eastern Europe and removing “true democracy”, he said. The curtain cast a shadow on the shared victory: “I do not believe that Soviet Russia desires war. What they desire is the fruits of war and the indefinite expansion of their power and doctrines.” The West had to prevent it.

    As with his Gestapo remarks, Churchill’s “Iron Curtain” speech incurred disapproval. Many still saw the Soviet Union as a great ally. Partially shielded from the truth about Stalin’s mass murders, they believed in sanitised versions of Communist doctrines. A leading article in The Times rebuked Churchill and praised “the development of economic and social planning” in the Soviet Union. In Britain and the US – let alone in Moscow – he was denounced as a warmonger. He did not mind unduly, since the same had happened when he opposed appeasing Hitler in the Thirties. The phrase “Iron Curtain” accurately defined the coming Cold War.

    Three quarters of a century later, it is worth bearing in mind two things. The first is that Churchill was essentially right. The economic and ideological tendency of socialism is totalitarian. It therefore threatens liberty, prosperity and peace. The second is that this message can be delivered in the wrong way. It is the task of anti-socialist politicians to overcome this.

    The Covid-19 crisis is the medical equivalent of total war, so it is a dream for socialists. To defeat the virus, liberty is curtailed, collective action is exalted, vast sums of public money are expended and the Government takes over almost everything. The role of heroic workers, peasants and soldiers which was the staple of Communist propaganda is taken by NHS workers.

    As in 1945, the policy is presided over by a Conservative prime minister, although he is an eloquent opponent of socialism. Also as in that era, the West is threatened by a massive eastern power which, until recently, many had come to regard as friendly. Whereas the Soviet Union exported deadly ideology to the wider world, the Chinese Communist Party, through incompetence and cover-up, has exported deadly disease. In her VE Day broadcast last night, the Queen said that those who laid down their lives “died so we could live as free people in a world of free nations”. Despite the defeat of Nazism, their global aim was not fully achieved then, and it is not fully achieved now.

    So what should Boris Johnson – and other non-socialist leaders in the West – do? During the lockdown, I have received many messages from readers, friends, thinkers, economists etc, warning of the measures’ dire effects on people’s freedom and livelihoods, and protesting about totalitarianism. I sympathise, but I worry about painting ourselves into a corner like Churchill with his Gestapo remark.

    Yes, the measures have been draconian. Yes, the costs are terrifying. Yes, there may be other ways of dealing with the virus, but we should all – even the experts – admit that the fundamental problem is lack of definite knowledge. Given that we still do not really know how the virus works, surely political leaders have had little choice.

    At the margins, we can debate: was it necessary, for example, to close garden centres? But if you look, as politicians must, to the safety of all citizens, you must err on the side of over-protection. Covid-19 is an emergency. In an emergency, you have to protect people without knowing all the facts. (Think of how police cordon off an area where a shot has been fired: it often looks over-zealous, but they cannot know whether more shots will come.) With our crowded population and (socialist) model of over-centralised health care, ministers would have run uncontrollable practical and political risks if they had followed the more relaxed Swedish model. If the rush of cases had overwhelmed the hospitals, the Government would not have survived, or have deserved to.

    In a major emergency, only government has the power to command. The trick of socialism, so well observed by George Orwell, is to pretend that emergency is a permanent state of being so that government must run everything forever. The duty of believers in liberty is to prove that it isn’t and it mustn’t, not to impede a proper emergency response. The biggest test of Boris will be not how we went into this situation but how he will lead us out of it.

    As for the China question, it is, broadly, this. Will its leaders emerge shamed by the terrible effects of their secrecy and selfishness upon the world? Or will they manage to re-present China as a society which advances prosperity by a high level of social and political control – including the direct electronic surveillance of virtually everyone – and thus abolishes the need for freedom? We should not be surprised to find, in the West, quite a few fellow travellers for this second possibility.

    In his Iron Curtain speech, Churchill was as internationalist as anyone could want (he called for UN air squadrons), but he was realistic about who did care about freedom and who did not. The international order could have an “overwhelming assurance of security” only if “the population of the English-speaking Commonwealth be added to that of the United States”. China’s rise confirms that.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/08/like-war-covid-19-dream-socialists-boris-has-lead-us-safety/

  28. I mentioned a short while ago that since the chest infection that knocked me out in the last week of February and the first week in March that I’d lost a lot of my nasal hair.

    Well last night I noticed another manifestation of that strange infection.

    As I was watching television I absently ran a finger along one of my eyebrows, against the nap of the hair and I realised that it didn’t feel right. I normally have quite bushy eyebrows, not Denis Healey, but bushy enough for the hairdresser to sometimes ask if I want them trimmed while I’m there.

    The resistance my finger should have felt last night wasn’t there. I pinched the eyebrow and instead of it pulling the skin outward, my fingers just slid off. Investigation in the bathroom mirror showed that all the coarse ‘guard hairs’ are gone (apart from a single white on that I’ll be keeping an eye on). I’m left with short, thin silky eyebrows that look as if they’ve been carefully plucked, too short to grab between finger and thumb.

    When did my eyebrows go? They were there at the end of the first week in March on a photo taken then.

    1. Hair grows in follicles and has a growth phase a resting phase and a falling phase. A shock to the system, illness physical or mental or physiological like parturition can push many follicles,prematurely into resting and then a few weeks later they all fall out. When dark hairs fall preferentially we say “ He went white overnight”

      1. Not at all. Apart from there being a few pounds more of me than their should (and a strange lack of hair in my nose and on my brow) I’m in fine condition for a dog of my age. Full head of hair and the first beard of my life, now three months old, is doing well.

        1. It must be the beard taking up all the body’s hair allowance to the detriment of nose and brows.

    2. Illness often affects hair quality. As does shock.
      Conversely, many women find their thin locks improve during pregnancy.

    3. I’ve decided to allow my ear hairs to grow to around a foot in length before I use them for a comb-over.

      I can grow hair anywhere. Except on my bonce!

      1. Reminds me of the guy who had no hair and wanted to grow some his wife only had one boob and wanted two, so they went to th doc who examined them and gave the woman some cream telling her to rub it on her chest and she would eventually grow another boob. He also gave the guy some cream telling him to rub in into his scalp and hair would grow. They got the creams mixed up and the woman got a hairy chest and the guy got this enormous tit on the top of his head. The y went back to the doc who told the woman to get some depilating cream to remove the hair and turning to the man said “I can’t do anything for you except suggest you paint it dark blue and join the metropolitan police”

      2. Hmmm. One of the things that don’t tell you when you are growing up is that you will have to shave your nose, inside and outside.

    4. “for the hairdresser to sometimes ask if I want them trimmed while I’m there.”

      So you did have Denis Healey levels then…!

    5. Funny you should mention it, but last week I noticed I had lost most of the hair on my arms. I have no idea whether this is recent or whether it disappeared months, or even years, ago.

      1. I used to have quite a hairy chest and a hairy tummy but now my tummy is practically bald and the few hairs on my chest are pretty pathetic.

        When I was at school there was a position for the hairiest person in the house who was given the honorary title House Hairy Legs.

        There was one boy (who subsequently became an officer in the RN) who was shaving every day when he arrived at school at the age of 13. By the time he was 17 you could not see either his back nor his chest so thickly covered they were with dark hair. He was sturdily built and played prop forward in the House rugby team and since he had a high OQ (Odour Quotient) second row forwards such as myself did not look forward to scrums and having to put one’s neck and head next to his bear like thighs.

    6. Are your finger and toenails more brittle? It’s a sign of reduction in vitamin take-up, which has many causes.

  29. Good morning from a Saxon Queen with Longbow and Axe in handbag.

    A lovely bright and sunny day In government controlled lockdown, hmm .

    1. Morning, Ethel

      If you had come on earlier & seen one of Tom’s unusually less-than-funny jokes, since deleted, you might have wanted to check your handbag for something else.

    1. That’s nice – I work 50 miles away. The war queen over 200. Grow up, Shapps.

      I get it. You’re trying to shut down the economy. It won’t work. The population is mobile. Great groups of people move about to get to centralised places of work.

    2. H’mmm ….. walking to and from Colchester to the City every day.
      Could be quicker than the train, though.

      1. 319021+ up ticks,
        Morning Anne,
        I would agree to walking in an aggressive marching manner
        swelling the ranks daily, destination westminster, reason,
        The eviction of 650 dangerous sh!te purveyors on nationwide health & safety grounds.

    3. 319021+ up ticks,
      Morning Tb,
      When on about urges appertaining to the peoples did they happen to mention sexual urges appertaining to the political fraternity ie cyril smith,
      ferguson, and the rent boys ( foreign)
      daisy chain wallha vaz ?

      1. ….and if we don’t accept their bid there is always another virus waiting in the wings

    4. Meanwhile Grant lives in Brookman’s park and doesn’t walk or cycle anywhere. He’s also too tight to pay £50 to get his laptop fixed. I expect the country gifted him a new one.

    5. He certainly never encounters BOBs bombing around on their bikes, whilst others are out walking along our once pleasant country sides ‘PUBLIC FOOT PATHS’ !

  30. This is the mess our governments have produced over decades of weakness and a desire to change our Country’s demographic makeup i.e. paying a neighbouring country to take back people who have no right to be in either country. Either that or forcing the British taxpayer into paying for these illegals now and their offspring forever.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/82ab70d3d3010941785e3cd14d25d7e0a5d3786727c948840757127d113ad548.png
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    1. Stop the benefits and free housing etc – they’ll stop coming and most of them already here will sod off from whence they came – simples

      1. 319021+ up ticks,
        Morning Fa,
        One of my starry starry night
        common sense post’s, perhaps they’ll listen now.

      2. Bang them up in a prison camp. Yer Chermans had a few that could act as models.

      3. Take them off to some uninhabited island until they decide they want to go home.

    2. The same set of folk are in charge of dealing with Covid19 – God help us!

      1. 319021+ up ticks,
        Morning S,
        The electorate seem to find them acceptable they have re-elected the same politico’s / parties enough times.

          1. 319021+ up ticks,
            Afternoon N,
            In saying that then there are other choices, which is, in my mind, the case but peoples are not willing to take them.
            So it will be on continuing the same pattern, downhill to the mosque
            awaiting at the bottom.
            Join the dots.

    3. How the French and the British react to laws:

      If the British don’t like a law they say: “But it’s the law. We must obey it no matter how bad it is for our interests.”

      If the French don’t like a law they ignore it and say:
      Allez uriner ailleurs,” (Piss off)
      or if they want to make it even clearer and be more emphatic :
      Allez vous faire foutre” (F*ck off)

      This is why the EU can work for France but not for Britain.

      1. I don’t know what the situation at the top of the Arc de Triomphe is now but when I visited Paris in the 70s you could go to the top. There were no barriers and the wall at the top was quite low. We had a joke about the signs various nationalities might put to warn of danger. The English sign would say something like “Caution, low wall, approach at your own risk”. The German one would say “It is absolutely forbidden to approach closer than 2m from the wall on pain of severe fine”. The French one would be along the lines of “If you are going to jump make sure no one is below you when you do.”

      2. So what you’re saying is (© Cathy Newman) we must all speak French.

        Napoleon would have loved that.

      3. Ignoring the bits you don’t want isn’t making it work, but it shows how utterly dysfunctional the EU is. It can never, could never and will never work.

    4. Which Law would that be? The one that says we can return illegal immigrants to the EU country they first entered? Why don’t we simply assume they entered France first and let the French deal with them?

    5. Why is it illegal to return them? They should have been processed in the first country they entered, not allowed free passage through to the UK.

      Every country is in breach of international law. Stuff if the Frogs give them permission. Just push them back, get them to within swimming distance of the French coast then sink the boats.

    1. Scott McKenzie (born Philip Wallach Blondheim III; January 10, 1939 – August 18, 2012) was an American singer and songwriter. He was best known for his 1967 hit single and generational anthem, “San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers in Your Hair)”.
      He died in 2012 aged 73.

  31. In my locality, after an incredibly wet winter, we had just 66% of our historical monthly average rainfall in April. With almost a third of the month of May gone to date, we have had about 5% of the historical monthly average, and very little rain is forecast over the next 10 days….

      1. Maybe – the weather these past 9 months has been peculiar as have the High & Low pressure systems over the UK….

      1. More likely a reduction of hygroscopic particles caused by the shutting down of industries across the globe. It would be interesting to compare rainfall data for other parts of the globe especially where heavier industries are present.

    1. Very good. And very clear understandble French for those which to hone their French language skills.

    2. For all you ‘Men’, it can be adapted for supplying Newkie Brown Ale

      1. I have two subs of Newkie Brown Ale, delivered yesterday with the Affligem. Beer machine going great guns. Cheers.

  32. I broke out for about an hour and a half this morning. Lovely weather, 18° before a return to winter tomorrow with 6° and strong north-easterlies forecast.

    I think I’ll be staying in my cell for the next few days.

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    1. Only 18 degrees? It was 25.5 degrees C here before I took the dog for a walk this morning. Incidentally, for OLT, I had my oil delivery this morning. A fraction of the cost of the last fill up!

  33. Had a successful trip to Waitrose. 2 bags of bread flour, tinned tomatoes, hand wash as well as other things.

    1. I expect our diligent police farce will be taking the money from the rubber boat beach invaders from their initial benefits payments.

    2. Er, Hullo Sussex Perlice Farce.. Just send this message to your colleagues in KENT.

  34. https://www.tfp.org/the-most-monumental-social-engineering-and-ideological-transshipment-effort-in-history/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Apocalyptic+Consequences+of+Mass+Hysteria&utm_campaign=TFP200508m+-+Apocalyptic+Consequences+of+Mass+Hysteria

    The Most Monumental Social Engineering and Ideological Transshipment Effort in History

    Bolstered by Mass Hysteria and Vatican Support
    If the Guinness Book of Records were to track the most senseless attitude possible, the award would probably go to someone who committed suicide for fear of dying.

    With the coronavirus epidemic, that is what the world is doing. It is playing out on the social scale, the very same chain reaction the SARS-CoV-2 virus(1) triggers in its victims: An overreaction by the body’s immune system leads to blockage in the lungs and death by asphyxiation.

    Apocalyptic Projections Based on Unreliable Mathematical Models
    We can exemplify with Italy, the first Western nation attacked by the virus originating in China.

    The World Health Organization (WHO) initially minimized the virus’s outbreak in Wuhan and congratulated the Chinese communist regime on its work to contain the epidemic. On February 17, however, through the Italian-American scientist Ira Longini, an important consultant, the WHO reversed itself. Based on statistical data provided by the Chinese leadership, it estimated that the virus would infect 66% of the planet’s 7.7 billion inhabitants, causing the death of 45–50 million people.

    Transferring these projections to Italy, journalist Alberto Rossi calculated that if the country had not been more agile than others in isolating involuntary virus spreaders, the number of infected Italians would be in the 36–40 million range. He estimated the death toll would reach 400–450 thousand, equivalent to Italy’s dead during the Second World War: 330,000 soldiers and 130,000 civilians.(2)

    Other journalists made even more apocalyptic calculations: “Suppose that in the end, only 30% are infected, close to 20 million”—imagined Francesco Sisci in the daily Il Sussidiario of March 9. “If—giving a discount—10% of them go into a [respiratory] crisis, that means that without intensive care therapy, they are bound to succumb. There would be two million direct deaths, plus all indirect ones resulting from a collapse of the health system.”(3)

    A week later, Imperial College London released a team study led by Prof. Neil Ferguson. It became the pretext for many governments to impose extreme stay-at-home measures. The model predicted that, in the absence of such shelter-in-place orders, there would be approximately 510,000 deaths in the United Kingdom and 2.2 million in the United States, as it was a virus “with comparable lethality to H1N1 influenza in 1918 [the Spanish flu].”(4) This was shocking information, but presumably exaggerated, one would think. A 2005 reconstruction of the Spanish flu virus carried out at the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta, as well as subsequent studies, showed that the Spanish flu was a hundred times more lethal than other forms of influenza seen in the twentieth century.(5)

    Although initial information coming from Wuhan did not corroborate this claim about the virus’s extreme lethality, the Imperial College’s projections were taken almost as a “dogma of faith.” They led the British government to change its policy. The latter did not lift stay-at-home measures even when Prof. Ferguson, acknowledged in a tweet: “I’m conscious that lots of people would like to see and run the pandemic simulation code we are using to model control measures against COVID-19. To explain the background—I wrote the code (thousands of lines of undocumented C) 13+ years ago to model flu pandemics.”(6)

    The revelation provoked hundreds of Twitter responses, pointing to the extreme vulnerability of this programming language, further weakened by its large number of undocumented lines, which make independent verification almost impossible.(7) Ten days later, a University of Oxford team came up with an alternative model assuming that a much larger number of inhabitants of the British Isles would already be contaminated so that the lethality rate would be far lower.(8)

    Time will tell which model will prove to be more accurate. In any case, an April 9 study issued by the Institute of Virology at the University of Bonn presented a factual confirmation of the Oxford model. It denied the lethality rate that WHO and the Imperial College attributed to SARS-CoV-2. The study consisted of several in-depth tests carried out on people from the village of Gangelt, in the district of Heinsberg, the epidemic’s first focus in Germany.
    The daily Le Monde summarizes its results as follows: “A German study estimates a lower mortality rate. Surveys of 12,446 Gangelt residents show figures five times less than the original assessment. The researchers argue that this method identifies all infected people, including asymptomatic carriers.”

    Economic Consequences “of Biblical Proportions,” Visible to the Naked Eye

    The Devastating Social Impact of the “Great Shutdown”: the Pandemic of Extreme Poverty

    The Increase in Deaths From Hunger in Poor Countries Will Be Much Greater Than That of COVID-19 Victims

    In the Name of “Social Distancing,” WHO Sacrifices Children in Poor Countries

    The Four Main Beneficiaries of This Collective Suicide
    (Chinese Communist Party, Globalists, Ecologists, and the Radical Left)

    A “New World” Imposed by Law . . . or by Force!

    Panic Fueled by WHO, Governments, the Media, and Religious Authorities

    This article is much longer, too long to post here, but I suggest you take time to read it all. I’ve included some of the headlines that are discussed in detail.

  35. More suspected migrants have been spotted at Dover today as the huge increase in crossings since lockdown was imposed continues.

    Pictures taken at the busy trade port in Kent show people wearing face masks being processed by officials.

    It comes after a record-breaking 150 migrants were picked up trying to cross the English Channel yesterday from 10 boats in the space of 24 hours, including 50 in one vessel.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8303351/More-migrants-arrive-Dover-day-record-150-caught-trying-cross-English-Channel.html

  36. Independent…..
    Coronavirus news – live: Mandatory arrivals quarantine to have ‘devastating’ effect on travel as delays keep hundreds of thousands waiting for disability and sickness benefits.

    How on this entire planet is this ever going to work ? We have a significant amount of people already living in this country who have no respect for the established culture, social structure or most other rules laws and regulations.

    1. If it is like the Canadian quarantine, you are trusted to isolate yourself, my friend was able to get a flight home to Ottawa after clearing immigration in Toronto.
      I would imagine that those of a different culture will treat the rules in a different way.
      The only way it will work is the Australian way where you are taken straight from the plane to a hotel that has a guard at the door.

      1. Perhaps our sometimes rather hapless political classes have an ulterior motive.
        The Nightingale hospital needs to be justified.

        1. Great. You save up for the holiday of a lifetime visiting the UK, and spend it in a prison ward.

          1. Don’t forget the quarantine when you get home. Any trip will now be for a minimum of one month.

    2. Luckily virtual meetings are possible nowadays. I cannot imagine how some of my business trips would have been possible under the new regime. I think that the busiest was five countries in a week, but two or three different countries was not unusual.


    3. Mandatory arrivals quarantine to have ‘devastating’ effect on travel as delays keep hundreds of thousands waiting for disability and sickness benefits.

      How is the latter related to the former in this sentence, or was it written by a numpty??

    1. “Rechecked its lists”? Code for “Redefined what a Right-wing terrorist is”?

  37. Hell’s teeth, I know I’m constantly cross, but who are all these “Angry” cowards?

    They are so frightened of their own shadows that they would probably live indoors with the curtains drawn.
    They would put their underpants on their heads and straws up their noses, wibbling; if that is what the “experts” told them would save them from the virus. Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/grappenhall-conga-social-distancing-warrington-ve-day-a4436201.html

    1. All the lockdown enthusiasts I know personally are financially secure, mostly retired and not seeing any real change to their quality of life. The new element is the self indulgent paranoia with which they justify the damage being done to those less fortunate. Sadly, with a total lack of self awareness, some also consider themselves Christians.

      1. I fit most of those criteria apart from wanting the imprisonment to continue. Retired, secure, no change in my quality of life, except that I am pig sick of the way this has been managed and at the way the population has been panicked into a state of unthinking terror by the media. The cure is worse than the disease.

      2. I fit most of those criteria apart from wanting the imprisonment to continue. Retired, secure, no change in my quality of life, except that I am pig sick of the way this has been managed and at the way the population has been panicked into a state of unthinking terror by the media. The cure is worse than the disease.

      3. I fit most of those criteria apart from wanting the imprisonment to continue. Retired, secure, no change in my quality of life, except that I am pig sick of the way this has been managed and at the way the population has been panicked into a state of unthinking terror by the media. The cure is worse than the disease.

        1. I am very similar except that a) I can’t wait for the incarceration to end and b) I want a social life back. I hadn’t realised just how much I’d missed it until yesterday when I had a bit of interaction and shared a drink with friends. Drinking alone is not the same!

          1. I think you’re misunderstanding what I said. ‘Wanting the imprisonment to continue’ is where I differ from them. They want to stay locked in, I’m clawing at the door to get out.

            I can’t wait to get out.

          2. I understand that. I agree with you. I am retired and secure, but I want to escape. It has made a change to the quality of my life because I no longer have a social life at all and that’s hard for me given my personal circumstances.

      4. If you consider that adhering to the teachings of the Gospels defines being a real Christian, sad to say there are very few around these days.

    2. Maybe they are just looking at the odds. For example, at my age (not dissimilar to a number of others here), the stats show about a 1 in 5 chance of a very nasty outcome. And that’s with no major underlying health conditions, such as Diabetes, etc., etc.

      1. Well, it’s your choice and the choice of the individuals if they want to incarcerate themselves.

        Why does your/their situation, likely well off, well housed, secure give you all the right to destroy the economy and the futures of millions of your fellow countrymen?

        At our age we’ve probably got a 1 in five chance of dying in any year from now on anyway.

        1. All I said was at my age, the odds were not good, so we are being careful. Not going out for the odd restaurant meal is hardly “destroying the economy”.

          1. You’ve completely missed the point.

            Taking you and all the other 70 yo+ who choose to self isolate makes SFA difference.

            It’s locking down the 99%+ of individuals who, even if they get it, are unlikely to die, or even get very severe symptoms requiring hospitalisation so that they cannot work. If you want a depression that makes the 30’s look like a cake walk, carry on.

          2. I never said I was in favour of locking everyone else down. Where did you get that from? Governments impose lockdowns, not elderly retired people.

        2. We are opening up here – we are into week 3 locally – as the “R” rate is suitable low and staying there. But other areas where the thing is still out of control – like great chunks of the more urban areas – that may not happen so quickly. Not for “what’s best for you” reasons, but because the medics are scared shitless they will be overwhelmed. Right now, the big concern here is the food chain as multiple meat processing plants are in trouble due to much of the workforce coming down with the virus. Those plants coincidentally (?) are in states where the state government did not enforce any kind of lockdowns, so now the rest of us get to reap the “benefits” of those decisions.

          Our state governor got it fairly right, IMO, the state and its people can’t afford a long term lockdown, but the state can’t handle a runaway infection rate either. So, it’s a balancing act. The one thing that everyone agrees on, is that “social distancing” does work. And people around here are pretty good about that in the various stores that we use. But he (and we) are lucky – our state population density is low, land is basically cheap, so people tend not to live in each others’ pockets. Which is probably why we were the last state to record any cases.

          Seeing people wearing face masks though, always reminds me of Tokyo…

          1. Whilst social distancing does work 2 metres is nowhere near enough. Research has shown thsat even with no wind viruses can travel 30 feet from the corporeal expulsion point. We sneeze at around 100mph, a cough could be anywhere from 50 to 100mph. Small moisture droplets carrying the virus don’t stop at 2 metres.

          2. ‘Evening, Jack, I don’t understand how the US health service could be overwhelmed, given the prices they charge. My brother, fully insured, died in December of cancer of the lungs, liver and kidneys and left his partner with a bill in excess of USD 8,000.

            She is frantic and may even be suicidal. who would, willingly, put themselves in the clutches of your health parasites?

          3. End of life care can be very expensive, What it actually costs is much more dependent on the insurers than anything else.

    1. And just to even things up, beheading and hanging, drawing and quartering were all perfectably normal back then…

  38. Coronavirus latest news: Young men more likely to break lockdown rules, study shows

    They had to have a study?

    That’s why young volunteered to go a fight in the wars. They’re risk takers, always have been and always will be.

    1. I’ve just witnessed blatant disregard for current regulations. There’s a chap, late 30s early 40s, and a lady out in our road playing out with three little boys on electric bikes, one is his son and one is the son of his girlfriend. Not sure who the other lad is. He is out working all week and visits at the weekend. I expect he will be out mixing with the public at work again from Monday. He’s an electrician.
      But I wont ‘dob him in’ it’s not my style.

      1. But people are allowed to move their children between two households if the parents have separated.

      2. If he they didn’t come within 6 feet you have nothing to worry about. Even if they did you’d probably still have nothing to worry about.

    2. Women have to stay in and do the housework and don’t have time to go out, surely?

  39. Just watching the No 10 briefing. A journalist has asked about quarantining air passengers. What a pity he didn’t ask about the hundreds of illegal immigrants landing on the South coast. Are they all putting Lily Allen’s address down as their quarantine base?

    1. I wonder how long it will be before one of the Nightingale Hospitals will be seconded as temporary accommodation and quarantine for them all?

  40. Grant Shapps on Daily briefing. Cycles, electric bikes and electric scooters are going to get a boost of £2billion support. Discounts on new bikes, vouchers to enable old bikes to be repaired. Bus and cycle only streets [ what can go wrong] Money to be spent on repairing pot holes and increasing electric charging points. The fear is as people go back to work the roads will be congested as trains and buses will only be able to carry 1/10th of their capacity. I was not amused by GS’s statement today. Cycling is dangerous on our roads and inexperienced cyclists will be vulnerable. The climate agitators have nobbled Boris and co.

    1. Grant Shapps? The dodgy businessman?

      The MP leading the plot to oust Theresa May
      as Prime Minister has a colourful past making him an extremely divisive
      figure among Conservatives. One Tory colleague, Michael Fabricant, said
      he would not “buy a used car” from Grant Shapps.

      Mr Shapps has emerged from the shadows after keeping a low
      profile for a few years, but once made headlines for the wrong reasons.
      The former Tory Party Chairman was forced to stand down from a
      ministerial post following allegations of bullying and was found to have lied when he claimed to have never taken a second job.

      He made front page news when it emerged he had a dual identity.
      Before becoming an MP, Mr Shapps founded HowToCorp, a web marketing firm
      offering books on how to get “stinking rich” very quickly using the
      pseudonym Michael Green.

      Since announcing he has a list of “around 30” MPs who want to see
      Ms May stand down, the joke doing the rounds on Twitter is that at
      least three of them must be Mr Shapps, as his business website used
      another name – Sebastian Fox. The HowToCorp website is now deleted from
      the internet.

    2. He also claimed that the average commuting distance is 3 miles outside London, which is at odds with the questioning journalist’s claim of 10.3 miles (for the whole UK), which is not really feasible to cycle.

      1. And as soon as the sun goes in, the rain and wind and cold arrive – those bikes will be shoved in the back of the shed to lie forgotten. For ever.

      2. As someone who for a while (needs must) commuted to work by pedal power, some 11.6 miles each way, I really wouldn’t recommend it!!

        1. When I was in my late teens I did that.

          Too much like hard work. Without a shower and new clothes, with the best will in the world, most people are not conscious of how they might smell to other people.

    3. Oh dear , a sea of padded bottoms and lurid lycra , and of course they won’t be paying roadtax, but will hog the road .

      There’s road kill on the roads , bottles full of pee , fast food wrappers , cans , holes in the road , mud , horse poo , etc etc.

      I do hope Grant Shapps insists that bikes have bells . There’s an epidemic of bikes on the roads around here .. Moh has a sturdy old fashioned type , and I do feel anxious for him when he is out and about pedalling.

      1. Afternoon T-B – There are to be repair sites dotted about but no mention of where the parking spaces will be in towns and cities. Inclement weather, hills and busy roads will soon stop many from relying on bicycles. Charging points for electric bikes could cause problems for the National Grid. I presume Boris Bikes are history now.

        1. How on earth are you meant to get the shopping, sacks of dog food , compost , freezer stuff . litres of milk , new duvet , pile of pillows home on a typical drenching wet day in Britain.

          1. Either by piling it high on the rider (as in the orient) or by using a trailer (as I’ve seen someone who sells veg from his allotment doing).

    4. I have a bicycle; I haven’t ridden it for several years because the last time I did I nearly got wiped out and I decided it wasn’t worth the risk.

      1. I nearly ended up under the rear wheels of an artic trailer way back in 78. Jumped the whole bike & me into the ditch. Very reluctant to cycle after that.

        1. With me it was a small lorry that pulled out straight in front of me – to avoid going under it, I had to throw myself and the bike onto the pavement. Fortunately, there were no pedestrians about.

    5. As if those lot on bikes aren’t up themselves enough already.

      Are we to stand on the doorsteps and clap for the cyclists?

      1. That’s a hundred quid lifted from the pockets of every tax-payer in the land.

        For bloody bikes and their fans.

      2. A billion here, a few billion there, what’s the problem?

        We can keep printing money until the pigs fly home to roost.

        After all, if we can afford to lock down and almost destroy the economy why not go the whole hog and bankrupt the country?

        1. Afternoon sos – It will be electronic money I expect. A bit like Bitcoin but not a good investment.

          1. 98% of all money is electronic money. And you spend it just like real money and you can convert it to physical currency at a bank or ATM. So it’s nothing like Bitcoin at all. Bit coin needs to be sold to convert to cash at it’s daily spot price. Most businesses won’t accept it for goods and services now that its value tanked from the highs.

  41. Top comment BTL (re posted by Max B.) DT letters:

    “ Peter Gardner 9 May 2020 10:05AM

    If there is any single institution that represents the advance of socialism exploiting war or crisis surely it is the NHS?

    The NHS is the flagship, the standard bearer, for big state socialism in UK. Its failure to deal with SARS-CoV-2 was entirely predictable.

    Obviously… [the Govt] could not tell the public the NHS is useless. Bad for public morale. Bad for the morale of doctors and nurses. But that is what the government’s slogan of protecting the NHS means. No other country has that slogan for its health service. No other country has had to clap its health service.

    The NHS has been protected by decades of propaganda: ‘We Love our NHS’, to be chanted three times before dinner; The best health service in the world – never true by any objective measure; the London Olympics’, and the perpetual ‘Free at the point of delivery’ – apart from the 30,000 deaths with Covid19 and counting.

    One of life’s perpetual mysteries is why the British love the NHS so deeply. Reform of it is impossible. An electoral pledge to reform it is political suicide. Boris broke the red wall by promising, among other things, shed loads of money for the NHS – without reform. Attempts to reform it (ask Andrew Lansley!) are met with entrenched opposition from every NHS supporting institution including the Royal colleges and doctors’ and nurses’ unions (the BMA is first and foremost a union).

    The NHS is untouchable and it knows it, backed by every public sector union. You meddle with it at your peril and risk a nationwide strike of all public services.

    The NHS was saved from SARS-CoV-2 by the Army and private enterprise. And that was not at the request of the NHS. Oh no. The Government did that because the NHS wouldn’t and couldn’t. And the public were saved from the NHS by that government intervention.

    That is the legacy of society’s embrace of socialism after WW2 – free at the point of delivery plus a mere 30,000 deaths.

    I think the Brits who love the NHS so much should be released from lockdown only on condition they agree to fundamental reform of their deadly sweetheart.”

    1. ” I think the Brits who love the NHS so much should be released from
      lockdown only on condition they agree to fundamental reform of their
      deadly sweetheart.”

      I think you’ll find that they are the ones who least want to be released from lockdown, while the State is paying them for doing nothing.

    2. The Brits love the NHS because they’re scared of the thought of having to pay for it up front instead of via taxation, as is d currently.
      Plus, few have had experience of any other system, so have nothing to compare it to.
      The media and Labour party keep telling them that it’s world class, and many people are afraid of repercussions (in hospital) if they complain.

    3. Listening this morning to the female GP in the garden next door. She tells her children that she is currently reading some book about Michelle Obama…

    4. Hard to say, but maybe the government should have left the NHS struggling, as ammunition for change later.
      But they didn’t.
      They didn’t even challenge properly the NHS supply chain or private care homes to deliver PPE as needed, insteaad allowing the narrative of “blame the government” to succeed. Hell, these bozos can’t even politick competently.

    5. The NHS is not beyond reform. Like all government departments, it is composed of two wings. The service – healthcare – and the pointless unnecessary dead weight of bureaucracy so beloved of unions and statists alike.

      You reform the NHS by starving it, exposing the waste and breaking it up. Ther German model works. We should copy that and get rid of the dead weight of statist pen pushers.

      However, that removes the NHS from the power of government. No, sorry: politicians. The Left use the NHS as a political football to scare people. The Left know if that’s removed from them then they have far less power.

      Thus the NHS is a political whipping post with the state holding the whip. As the state will never, ever let go of that power the NHS will remain incompetent, inefficient and failing.

  42. A plane has just flown over – the second one today. Guess its destination: Wuhan…From LHR. It’ll be coming back, of course…….

  43. Getting too hot on the terrace, so a short respite indoors. While apricating, I observed one of my little voley friends dragging a dandelion leaf longer and wider than his body off between some pots, presumably to his or her nest amongst the sandstones that terrace is made from, most of which I understand came from the demolished estate that had been owned by the head of the White Star line, the Titanic owners. And further down the garden there was another one who darted into hiding as I approached. I am going to be over run with them, but they seem to be very innocent creatures, so that’s OK. I haven’t see voles in the garden before, I assume the mild damp winter suited their survival rate.

      1. Better than the rats who arrived after some barns down the road were converted into houses!

    1. And further down the garden there was another one who darted into hiding as I approached.

      A clear-cut case of vol-au-vent. 😉

      BOOM! BOOM!

  44. Tara Reade details assault claim against Joe Biden in Megyn Kelly interview. 8 may 2020.

    Tara Reade repeated her allegations of sexual assault against Joe Biden in an in-depth interview with Megyn Kelly released on Friday, answering questions on who she shared her story with and why she supported the former vice president publicly in the past.

    Reade has accused Biden of sexually assaulting her in 1993, when she worked as an aide in his Senate office. She told Kelly, a former Fox News and NBC host who memorably sparred with Trump during the 2016 campaign over his treatment of women, that Biden pushed her against the wall in a Senate hallway and digitally penetrated her against her will.

    I suppose that if Joe did go down because of Reade’s allegations this would provide as good as; perhaps better, an excuse than anything else for dumping him and bringing in Hillary Clinton!

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/08/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-claim-megyn-kelly

    1. 319021+ up ticks,
      Afternoon As,
      Could very well be, being used as a stalking dick ?

      We have a great many of them within the UKs political fraternity.

    2. As recently as 1993 – amazing how it took her this long to, er , complain….

      1. She complained at the time and was given a new job away fro Quid Pro Joe….

      2. She complained at the time, and was also fired from her job, if I remember correctly.
        But she also fully endorses Biden as presidential candidate.

    3. According to at least half the voting population of the USA the World would be a better place if HC was President. There is evil and then there is Evil.

        1. 319021+ up ticks,
          As,
          On par with the UKs voting pattern used by many then ” the best of the worse.”

  45. With one bound, Toy Boy was free. The French Senate has approved the way out of the quarantine….

    I wonder what he promised those who decided, this time, to vote…..

    1. One train daily, through Eurotunnel, will be reserved for moving ‘immigrants’ to UK, whether they want to go or not

  46. Apparently the traveller quarantine isn’t going to start until June! FFS! Seasonal workers exempt, apparently.

  47. The “You Couldn’t make it up files” gets an outing

    In a quick reworking there are

    Idiots,Damned Idiots and Absolute Fuckwits

    Cop This

    “The coronavirus

    pandemic could kill up to 190,000 people in Africa over the next 12

    months and “smoulder” in ‘“transmission hotspots” for years, the World

    Health Organization has warned.

    A WHO modelling study found that anywhere between 29 to 44 million

    people could be infected and between 83,000 and 190,000 Africans could

    die of Covid-19 if it is not controlled.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/nearly-200000-people-africa-could-die-coronavirus-warns/
    Now a quick bit of mental arithmetic on the lower figures gives a mortality rate of those infected of 0.3%
    Yet ON THE SAME BLOODY PAGE the DT’s blinking figures in red of 215260 cases with 31587 deaths gives a mortality rate of those infected of nearly 15%
    I’m sure someone will be along in a minute to explain the fifty-fold discrepancy.I have my own
    Fuckwits,fuckwits everywhere

    1. Discrepancy is caused by testing regimes. We were only testing people that turned up ill at hospital. A mortality rate of 15% amongst the ill enough to go to hospital group sounds fair as does a 0.3% mortality rate if the whole population had received testing.

        1. Same thing here in Sweden.
          Apple is äpple [pron: “eppleh”]
          Orange is apelsin (“apple from China”).

  48. “Being fat obese can double someone’s risk of going to the hospital for severe COVID-19 symptoms, a new report published by the University of Glasgow concluded this week. With that being said, a leaked document from the UK government obtained by The Sun outlines how obese people could be forced by their employer to work at home for the next year as lockdown restrictions are relaxed”

    Well that should make for better social distancing on commuter trains – Win-win!.

    1. Fine BTL comment:

      “95% of the police force will be forced to stay home. Who will enforce this?”

    2. It is only going to be young and thin white blokes going into the office soon.

      1. “It is only going to be young and thin white blokes going into the office soon.”

        What about people who have real jobs and do real work? [i.e. the millions who don’t while away the working day sitting on their arses at a desk in a centrally-heated and air-conditioned office]

    3. Why do you think I went on a crash diet? Was it:

      A. To make more room on trains for others?
      B. Because I kept crashing through the chairs in the dining room? :•)

        1. BMI is almost as big a con as the man-made global warming scare.

          1. T’other week I compared the UK BMI chart with the USA one.

            I was certainly looking at two completely different sets of data. When the UK one said I was slightly obese the USA one said I was in the best shape! Now we know why all Yanks look like beached manatees.

          1. If it was good enough for the Prince Regent then it’s good enough for yours truly.

      1. I think its because you wanted to be in a position to emulate Titian;

        “While Titian was mixing rose madder,
        His model reclined on a ladder.
        Her position to Titian
        Suggested coition,
        So he leapt up the ladder and had ‘er.”

        H. Root

        1. I’m going to put a framed version of that limerick on my easel! :•)

          1. You must have heard that one before.

            My brother-in-law gave me a book of obscene limericks published by the Olympia Press when I was at school. I still know most of them, including this one, by heart.

          2. I can only remember the first verse of ‘The Eve of St. Agnes’ because we slightly adjusted the last line.

        2. Er … I don’t get it. Surely coiting with his model would have made Rose even madder? 😉

    1. I saw the same thing happening across the Med in the last few years. The trickle becomes a flood. Next summer we will see them crossing in the thousands.

    2. Priti Awful says, “I looked and looked and simply could not see anyone landing on the coast.”

      1. I do believe Ms. Patel is doing her best but she knows not with whom she is dealing!

        1. You may think that; I disagree.

          She should instruct the Border Farce to return the illegals immediately – WITHOUT letting them land.

          France is a perfectly safe country; it just does not give out loadsa dosh to those not entitled.

          1. Ms Patel whatever her rank or position is one person. If her subordinates refuse to do her bidding she can do nothing about it!

          2. She can name and same them; have them transferred to some god-forsaken posting. She could have a word with her boss.

          3. She doesn’t even know their names. She probably sees three people and they walk out of her office and forget what she has instructed them to do. It is obvious that there is a Black Hole between the Home Secretary and the Border Farce who receive their instructions locally!

          4. Priti Awful’s sitch is one of her own making. She vowed to “clamp down” on illegals – and, for a stupid moment, people believed her.

            She has done SFA to stop them, return them etc.

          5. What we need is Vlad. He would send someone round from OGPU and they would throw a few people through the windows and despatch the rest to Northumberland, never to be heard from again!.

          6. What we need is Vlad. He would send someone round from OGPU and they would throw a few people through the windows and despatch the rest to Northumberland, never to be heard from again!.

          7. Don’t be so hasty, the edict was probably issued months ago.

            The needs to be a series of meetings, memoranda and new procedures written before the instructions can be passed down from head office to the operational units, they naturally will repeat the process to reflect local conditions.

            Then you will find that many of the “stakeholders” are sat at home on full pay while the instrucrions languish in an overflowing in basket.

          8. You overlooked inter-departmental meetings and jurisdictional arguments….

          9. As I’ve remarked before, Anthony Leyden was asked to get people deported. He resigned from the job after quite a short time as he found that the Courts were obstructing at every turn, endlessly, (as Legal Aid is seemingly unlimited).

          10. ‘Afternoon, Horace, another one for Boris’ checklist, remove legal aid for immigration and deporting cases.

          11. I read yesterday that she had made a phone call to her counterpart in France. Clearly had a massive effect. I guess that France will offer to do something, for about £55m a day.

          12. Anyone at the Home Office who does not follow the instructions from the Minister should be fired.

          13. I suspect that is not the case. They maybe can be moved to another department. They are employees of the Civil Service, and not of the Ministers, I think. It is Civil Service management who take these decisions. I suspect that Squirrel Nutkin’s constructive dismissal case will fail, in that Ms Patel was not his employer. His redress was always required to be via the Civil Service structure. Unless I am wrong.

          14. It’s finding them Phizz! If they all hang together, which is clearly what they do, then it is impossible for a Minister to do anything about it, and if they did, as Stephen points out above, all hell would break loose. To really solve the problem you would need to sack everyone in the Home Office and send someone from the military down to take control of the Border Farce and carry out your instructions personally! No one in Government in the UK is going to do that!

          15. ‘Afternoon, Minty, “No one in Government in the UK is going to do that!”

            They damn well should, We are a sovereign nation and any attempt at invasion – be it ever so small – is effectively an act of war.

          16. Afternoon Nan. Should, Would and Could are all fictions to avoid reality!

          17. I assume she knows who was working on the mass rape report. She can start with them. As Horace says the decision may only be taken by the civil service management then she should sack them citing the inability to work with them.

          18. If the illegals were escorted back to France word would soon get around that getting to the UK was no longer like a ferry service and the flow of people would soon stop. All the time we accept them they will keep coming in ever greater numbers. Time for a Home Sec. with a backbone.

          19. I wonder what would happen if a Royal Navy tug toodled into Calais, pushing a bunch of humanity laden rafts in front of it.

            International incidents are us.

          20. Let it be. We have always faced opposition that was bigger and better armed than us.

          21. “We found these, they belong to you, we are just returning them….”

        2. She need support from her colleagues or she will achieve nothing.

          The root of the trouble is that there are too many corrupt onanists in politics who, even though their name implies they do, don’t actually give a toss.

        3. The problem is exactly the same as Health Tourism where a patient ineligible for treatment cannot pay but still gets treated. Otherwise the Press and Public would scream murder and the hospital management would be pilloried. So too with the channel illegal immigrants. France won’t take them back, the Border patrols will not be allowed to disable their craft and as soon as the first one drowns the press will scream murder and heads will roll. It is unstoppable . One way to change opinion might be to introduce compulsory billeting with immigrants being allocated to those who publicly support a policy of unlimited immigration.

          1. And all the other weeping lefties to want us to do as they say but not as they do.

          2. Anyone who voted Remain would do. Starting with MPs. A quota of at least five little boys per household, more if the household has little girls.

      2. I do believe Ms. Patel is doing her best but she knows not with whom she is dealing!

    3. Why can our spies in the skies find the little dinghies but not the mother ship?

  49. Shadow Home Secretary demanding again this morning for more clarity on the scientifically guided Government plans for escaping from the COVID grip.

    Well here is the very clear scientific finding of the COVID-19 sequence which was imported directly from Wuhan into Nepal:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MT072688

    It’s for all intents and purposes identical to the original from you know where apart from a silent sshh mutation.

  50. Taking a break from clearing out the ‘grot area’ by the side door. Among other things, discovered an inaccessible drain in need of attention.
    Caught this in the DT. Apologies if it’s been posted; I been busy filling a Hippo Bag.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/05/09/coronavirus-has-turned-us-nation-scaredy-cats/

    Coronavirus has turned us into a nation of scaredy-cats

    During the lockdown, some of our ancient liberties have been squashed.

    Britons are more frightened of coronavirus than anyone else in the world. That was the headline finding in a survey carried out by the Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication at Cambridge University last week. Call me old-fashioned, but this isn’t a competition I wanted to win. What happened to the stiff upper lip? It’s less a case of “Keep Calm and Carry On” than “Take a Deep Breath and Count to 10”. Forget about the bulldog spirit. We seem to have become a nation of scaredy-cats.

    For a Government hoping to coax people back into work, this could be bad news. The survey suggests Britons will be reluctant to leave their homes until they think the threat from the disease has been completely eradicated. Another poll last week found that 62 per cent of Britons are worried about the lockdown being lifted too early.

    How did it come to this? We’re supposed to be a nation of indomitable yeoman who guard our ancient liberties more fiercely than any other people on earth. These islands, which haven’t been invaded since 1066, are the birthplace of liberal democracy.

    Yesterday, we celebrated the 75th anniversary of the day the Allies formally accepted the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany after more than 350,000 British soldiers gave their lives to protect this country from tyranny. Yet when the Government enacted a statutory instrument on 26 March that suspended the rights of every freeborn Englishman, some of them dating back to the 12th Century, we didn’t let out so much as a squeak of protest. Probably just as well because protests of more than 100 people are now illegal.

    Dr Sander van der Linden, who led the Cambridge study, believes our enthusiasm for being placed under virtual house arrest reflects well on us. According to him, the reason we’re so loathe to venture outside is because we don’t want to risk infecting the elderly and infirm. “The national stereotype is that British people are fairly reserved, but when something goes on people seem very willing to step in and do the right thing,” he said, singling out the Thursday night “clap for carers” as evidence of just how compassionate we are.

    I’m a little less dewy-eyed. When I look around at my fellow countrymen – admittedly, quite hard these days – I don’t see responsible citizens who are putting the common good before their own self-interest. I see millions of people, most of them with virtually zero risk of becoming severely ill from this virus, living in irrational terror.

    Part of the problem is we’ve been infantilised by our government. In Sweden, the authorities have trusted their citizens to observe strict social distancing measures, such as washing hands and staying two metres apart, without insisting they remain in their homes. Why couldn’t our own leaders have treated us like grown-ups, too? While some groups may be well-advised to shield themselves, there’s no evidence that locking down entire populations, the healthy as well as the sick, is a more effective way of “flattening the curve” than the Swedish approach. Sweden has experienced fewer deaths per million from the virus than us.

    Unfortunately, some Britons seem to relish being treated like children. To enlist their cooperation, all the Government had to do was give them enough money via its furlough scheme. For this group, they are terrified alright, but not of catching the virus. It’s the prospect of having to return to work that really frightens them.

    According to the Global Burden of Disease Study, the UK has more obese and overweight adults per head of the population than anywhere else in Europe apart from Iceland and Malta. Fifty-three per cent of women and 67 per cent of men are either overweight or obese. Could this be another reason why some of us are so worried about getting Covid-19? About two-thirds of the people who’ve succumbed to the disease across the world are overweight and researchers at the University of Liverpool have warned that obesity increases the risk of dying from coronavirus by 37 per cent.

    Our temerity is also connected to our metastasising health and safety culture. I know from having co-founded four free schools that teachers are required to cocoon children in cotton wool, carrying out a “risk assessment” before they can take them to a museum, let alone camping in the Cairngorms. Police officers now watch people drown because jumping in to save them would be against “regulations” and firefighters have been banned from using stepladders.

    100 years ago, our sporting heroes were men like Malcolm Campbell who broke the land speed record in a rickety-built contraption travelling 150 mph. Today, they’re overpaid haircut models who burst into tears when they break a fingernail.

    Thankfully, there are still some people around who make me proud to be British. I got a pleasant surprise when I circulated an email to the residents of my street in Acton asking for helpers in case some of our older neighbours were too nervous to go to the shops. Within an hour, I had 25 volunteers, all of them over 70.

    Then there’s the eccentric gentleman who stalks the suburbs of Norwich every evening dressed as a medieval plague doctor, complete with a pointed, beak-like mask. No doubt he’ll be clapped in irons if the Norfolk constabulary ever catch up with him.

    More seriously, there’s Simon Dolan, the 50 year-old owner of a charter aviation business, who has threatened the Government with a lawsuit if it doesn’t lift the lockdown. He claims the restrictions imposed on us by the Coronavirus Regulations are a breach of human rights.

    Dolan originally gave the Government until 4pm on Thursday to scrap the extreme social distancing measures, but has now extended that deadline until 4pm on 12 May after lawyers for the Department for Health and Social Care begged him for an extension. It’s heartening to learn that not every Englishman is complying with the “stay at home” order with the same supine acquiescence.

    Let’s hope Boris screws his courage to the sticking place tomorrow and announces an end to this authoritarian nightmare. This is a country in which every man’s home is supposed to be his castle, not his prison.

    Toby Young is the creator of LockdownSceptics.org​

    1. A grateful nation awaits with baited breath to hear which of our cherished freedoms Lord Johnson will graciously restore to us tomorrow. The right to go for a walk more than once a day? The right to sunbathe or buy ‘non-essential items’ without police harassment?

      This is a virus which 99% are not at any risk of dying from. The sudden descent into a totalitarian State seems out of all proportion to the disease. I am becoming increasingly worried that there is a hidden agenda here. The likes of Toby Young and Peter Hitchens are important voices of sanity amidst a torrent of media hysteria.

      1. So right, yet so many just follow like sheep. Its years of marxist education.

        1. The State will pay you to sit at home watching Netflix. The State will keep you safe from the nasty, scary virus. Of course, the State only has money that it takes from you in taxes or borrows at interest, but let’s not let facts get in the way of our lovely little Corona-fantasy shall we?

      2. It’s to make you regret voting to Leave the EU

        Unless you vote to promptly rejoin there will be more disaster

      3. “This is a virus which 99% are not at any risk of dying from.”

        And the rest…

      4. Precisely my worries.
        We’ve ‘flattened the sombrero’ but now it’s talk of developing a vaccine.
        Goalposts are moving.

    2. “Why couldn’t our own leaders have treated us like grown-ups, too?”

      At first they did. Then Wormtongue Ferguson whispered in Bonjo’s ear.

    3. Instead, they’re planning now to kill off the aviation and toursm, hotels and sightseeing industries at a stroke, with the 14 day quarantine rule for anyone arriving here.

      1. Almost everyone else has quarantine, the UK is just late to the party. It wouldn’t just be two weeks for us, we would end up doing another two weeks when we got home.

        Unless many countries change their ways, tourism is dead. Australia and New Zealand are already closed to tourism, we cannot cross provincial borders without reason.

        Time for you to book a week at a B&B in Skegness.

        1. We were supposed to be spending a few days in North Yorkshire last week.

          It’s pointless putting people into quarantine now – if it was to be effective it should been when the lockdown started.

          1. The North York Moors is my favourite part of England, with Exmoor a close second.

          2. My in laws (who were originally from the West Riding) lived near Kirbymoorside for many years.

      2. Should have been done be in January, or February. Too late to start doing it in June. Talk in about stable doors and horses already bolted….

    1. Oh that’s so sweet and he even runs back to mum after falling over. Lovely thanks for posting.

  51. Watching “The Battle of the River Plate” – the sub titles are awful, but occasionally amusing!

        1. Some days are like that, Peddy. I personally was exhausted today, possibly because I don’t cope too well with very high temperatures. Anyhow, good night and sleep well.

  52. DM Story and video

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8303091/Harry-Potter-star-Miriam-Margolyes-admits-wanted-PM-Boris-Johnson-DIE-COVID-19.html

    ‘I wanted him to DIE!’: Outrage as Harry Potter star Miriam Margolyes says she wishes coronavirus had killed Boris Johnson

    Just imagine ii Nigel Farage said he wanted Keir Starmer to get coronavirus and die a horrible, painful death what the MSM would make of it?

    What we say in private – or even what we say on the Nottlers page – is very far from what we would actually say in front of television cameras or in interviews with the MSM.

    But why do the Left know that they will get away with it?

    P.S..

    Remember Russel Brand’s mother, Jo, expressed the most foul,vindictive views about people who did not share her political allegiances. Is it being left wing that makes a person indescribably nasty or is it just that indescribably nasty people are automatically left wing?

    1. She’s some piece of work that one. Horrible woman, never liked her.

      But she’s a National Treasure, you know.

        1. Of course she is. What bloke with more than two brain cells would want to poke that?

        1. “she’s a walking fat (lesbian)fart”.

          Who in their right mind would want to rug munch that hideous monstrosity?

    2. Hmm, ‘Evening, Richard, put me in front of a TV camera and see how long the interview would last. Margolyes would be the least of my problems, along with Toynbee and Owen Jones.

      Interesting, spell check for Margolyes, offers Gargoyles – I wonder why?

  53. One senses the writer wouldn’t be averse to using the subject of the photo over Whitehall…

    Comparing lockdown to World War Two is an insult to the wartime generation

    MADELINE GRANT

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c4bedff953e569bc861974c0d27c88f7b516e68fc1fab4098abcc7c420b3d31d.jpg
    Millions in low-risk demographics fear day-to-day tasks almost as much as those genuinely threatened by the virus – hardly a worthy comparison with the wartime spirit
    CREDIT: MARTIN POPE

    My bank holiday was spent remembering my two grandfathers, both of whom served in the Second World War. As a teenager, my maternal grandad left behind his doting mother for the perils of the Atlantic convoys. Many crewmates were illiterate, and one unexpected task aboard ship involved transcribing their filthy letters to sweethearts back home, quite the eye-opener for a prudish grammar schoolboy of North Wales temperance stock.

    My other grandfather’s experience was comparatively hellish. During five years of fierce combat in the Pacific theatre he rose from second lieutenant to acting Colonel, partly due to his own bravery, but also the astonishingly high death toll. There were no VE-Day celebrations for Donald Grant. By the time he returned home, it was 1946. My grandfather weighed eight stone and my father, whom he had left behind as a baby, was now a child who did not recognise him.

    Many have, understandably, drawn parallels between the struggles of then and now; members of the public, and politicians ad infinitum. Yet as the weeks pass and the sense of indefinite lockdown and chronic risk-aversion sets in, the Second World War comparisons are sounding increasingly trite.

    The privations are of a radically different order; sporadic letters compared to nightly Zoom calls, a war fought on the beaches and landing grounds versus one waged from the sofa by a perennially sloshed nation in its underpants. At a time when this country has so clearly lost its national mettle, such comparisons are an insult to what our grandparents endured.

    Recent polling suggests that almost a third of the population favours a seemingly indefinite lockdown; even if the Government meets its five tests for easing restrictions. There seems little sense of proportion in weighing up risks; many parents continue to oppose school re-openings, despite mounting evidence that their children are not just unlikely to experience ill effects themselves, but highly ineffective spreaders of the virus too.

    Millions in low-risk demographics fear day-to-day tasks almost as much as those genuinely threatened by the virus. The Government could become a victim of its own propaganda as it struggles to counteract the diet of hysteria it has fed a public now afraid of returning to work, even after the immediate danger has passed.

    The wartime generation may have shared our obedience, but they were also willing to confront danger and pursue the tougher route in the face of adversity. True, we have seen glimpses of this in the national effort; the volunteer platoons mobilised within days, the NHS staff, road-sweepers, shelf-stackers and delivery drivers, working tirelessly to ensure elements of normal life continue. Yet risk-aversion has reached epidemic proportions, and the level of compliance has been staggering – though perhaps unsurprising when the Government is subsidising the incomes of half the population.

    A depressingly large segment of society seems all too willing to ignore the suffering of those whose businesses are going bust, whose work is precarious or whose mental or physical health is eroding under lockdown, in favour of their own, cushier, experience. They show little concern for the millions already struggling – or the millions more for whom furlough will prove a temporary reprieve from unemployment.

    When the modelling which informed the lockdown was blown apart, it should have prompted a period of reflection. Instead the mood is one of continuing outrage at dissent. Despite its miscalculation, the Government has kept a constant stream of patronising advice, and there seems little end in sight – either from the restrictions themselves, or worse, the middle-class opinion columns about the joys of perfecting your baba ganoush recipe.

    For all the talk of “Blitz spirit”, the generation that actually fought to secure our freedom was afforded little protection in care homes. Instead, in a moment of panic and prostration to the NHS, Covid patients were shunted into transmissible environments, surrounded by the most vulnerable people, for the sake of clearing hospital space. This paralysed nation, in thrall to groupthink, has forfeited the right to invoke the war generation, or to claim exceptionalism. The Swedes – who flattened their curve without succumbing to hysteria – have been brave. We have not.

    I cannot be the only one who feels the irony of celebrating the liberation of Europe, at a time when we can be fined for sitting down in a park. Did my grandfathers really go through hell to see their descendants surrendering their freedoms quite so willingly? One suspects these dauntless men would be wondering why they bothered.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/09/comparing-lockdown-world-war-two-insult-wartime-generation/

    1. “I cannot be the only one who feels the irony of celebrating the liberation of Europe, at a time when we can be fined for sitting down in a park. Did my grandfathers really go through hell to see their descendants surrendering their freedoms quite so willingly? One suspects these dauntless men would be wondering why they bothered.”
      No, Madeline, you certainly aren’t the only one. I spent yesterday absolute rigid with disgust at the triteness of yesterday’s commemoration. A country under a Stalinist lockdown due to spineless politicians scared into such excesses by an hysterical MSM and blithely supported by an appalling high number of sheeplike people, is in no position to claim it freed Europe and sing mushy self-celebratory songs.

    2. Thanks for putting that up. It struck a chord. My father went away to war when I was three. When this soldier returned in 1945 I had no idea who he was. My mother said “say hello to your father”.

      1. I met mine for the first time in 1945. That was life, all of us war babies went through something similar.

    1. P&O would have had their new baby, the Iona, at Southampton today if the German shipyard building her had actually finished the job. Her maiden voyage should have been last week. Now, who knows.

    2. I feel sorry for the crews. Some 70,000 of them worldwide and they are confined to their cabins after the passengers disembarked. The management could at least have transferred them to cabins on the upper decks (the bastards).

      1. Well no point letting them self distance, they must be out of quarantine by now.

        I expect that they get fed but not paid

        1. Most of their contracts have expired. They are being held prisoner as far as i’m concerned.

        1. The cruise liners are running at a loss. All cabins including crew cabins will have to be thoroughly disinfected. They could behave in a humane way at no cost to themselves.

        1. Hulks – soon to be.

          A good place to ‘concentrate’illegals and followers of the prophet – they can radicalise each other, on their way to St Helena (Insert remote, uninhabited island here).

    3. Fill them up with the illegal channel crossers and then take them all to Pitcairn.
      Word would soon get out .

      1. No. Extended cruise round Africa and drop them off at Karachi – that should be close enough to home for them.

      2. There could be a bounty put on their heads, but will they like being with Christians?

        1. The close relation marriage history will suit them down to the grind (sic)

      1. Could be, but I believe Southampton is chockoblock with ships already.

        Queen Mary 2 is there, don’t know which one .

    4. Thank you, Belle.
      I haven’t been that way since …. well, a long time!

  54. Covid-19 has put the EU into intensive care

    DANIEL HANNAN

    Imagine it the other way around. Suppose our negotiators were to insist that a trade deal with the EU was contingent on British access to EU fishing grounds, a British veto over European regulations and the continuing jurisdiction of British judges on the Continent. Would anyone think our stance reasonable? Would anyone accuse the EU of deliberately collapsing the negotiations? Would anyone make (in reverse) the accusation made by Phil Hogan, the EU’s Commissioner for Trade, on Thursday, namely that there is “no sign that the UK wants the talks to succeed”?

    Of course not. Yet, incredibly, some British commentators are now so angry and tribal that they automatically side with Brussels, however preposterous its demands. Like those British Communists who tamely accepted the Nazi-Soviet Pact in 1939, they unhesitatingly follow the party line, blind to any considerations of consistency, decency or (obviously) patriotism.

    The country as a whole, though, has moved on. By 48 per cent to 40, we now say that Britain was right to leave the European Union. Plenty of Remainers have reconciled themselves to the result, and you can see why. The strongest argument for staying in was always change-aversion – or, to put it more grandly, Burkeianism. “We might not like the Brussels racket,” many reasoned, “but is leaving really worth the hassle?”

    Now that argument is obsolete, people can take a more straightforward view of whether the European project is succeeding.

    Let’s recall what the EU is supposed to be all about. Its ruling principle, the end that it cites to justify almost any means, is “solidarity”. Member states give up their democratic autonomy in return for the benefits that come from being part of a big bloc. That, at any rate, is the theory.

    Yet look at what happened when coronavirus struck. While surpluses of medical equipment piled up in Germany, Italy was forced to turn to China for help. A bloc notionally devoted to trade liberalisation imposed export bans. Even the EU’s closest partners were frozen out.

    A visibly shaken Aleksandar Vucic, the president of Serbia, took to the airwaves to tell his countrymen that they had been thrown under the bus. The EU, he said, having for years set conditions that effectively forced Serbia to bid for European rather than non-European contracts, had now excluded Serbia from its markets. Only the Chinese would send medical equipment.

    Some EU states did, of course, continue to trade in masks, ventilators and the like. But, at the same time, there were border closures, export restrictions and a general turning inwards. The European Commission pleaded with national governments to act together, but no one was listening.

    For as long as I can remember, Euro-enthusiasts have spoken of the need for Europe to unite so as to square up to someone-or-other. It used to be the USSR, then it was Japan, then the United States. For the past decade or so, it has been China. Only by pooling their resources and their institutions, Europeans were told, could they hope to look that mighty state, with its vast population, in the face.

    Yet, faced with an unarguable breach of international norms by China – at the very least, Beijing’s secrecy hampered the early response to the epidemic – Eurocrats kowtowed to Beijing’s autocrats. Twice, EU officials bowed to pressure from the dictators to doctor public statements, removing references to coronavirus having originated in China.

    Meanwhile, more seriously, the euro once again looks like becoming an obstacle to recovery. Had Covid-19 been designed to wreck the single currency, it would have struck at Italy – and, in particular, at the industrial heartland of northern Italy. A virus that hit Germany and the Netherlands harder than Italy and Spain might, paradoxically, have helped the euro. Instead, we face the prospect of Italy emerging from the crisis so indebted that growth is impossible, while the northern states continue to refuse to establish a fiscal union.

    In the absence of formal transfer mechanisms, Eurocrats will try to use their existing budgetary resources, bending the rules if needed. No wonder they want Britain to defer its final withdrawal and keep coughing up. No wonder they want to hold us in the current worst-of-all-worlds status, subject to the costs and regulations with no say over their formulation.

    As this column has previously argued, there is nothing that the UK and EU could agree next year that they could not agree now. Britain is not asking for special treatment. All it wants is the sort of basic, low-fat trade deal that Brussels has with Canada or South Korea.

    There are no complicated details, no difficult technicalities. If the EU refuses such a deal – if, in clear contradiction of its promises, it now insists on concessions from Britain that it never dreamed of asking for from others – then it will be clear that Brussels never wanted an amicable trading relationship.

    To claw our way out of the coronavirus slump, we need maximum economic flexibility. So far, there is no sign that the EU is prepared to relax its grip. To take just one current example, the economic shutdown has affected the proposed shift to the EU’s new standard of engine. Many engines were built in good faith to the previous specification but, because of the stoppages, they are piling up unsold in warehouses. European manufacturers have asked for a six-month moratorium to clear the backlog – a very modest request in the circumstances. Yet the Commission refuses to budge, even though its stubbornness is, as all sides agree, costing jobs.

    Is this the model Britain should be following as we seek to fire up our economy? Are we going to offer a form of continuing suzerainty to officials who view us as a renegade province? Are we going to let those officials kill any chance we have of signing trade deals with the United States, Japan and our other allies?

    Coronavirus has sent the European project into intensive care. It may eventually struggle back, but it will be an altogether more feeble entity. The League of Nations, after all, limped on for a further 13 years after its effective destruction in 1933, when Germany and Japan withdrew. So, likewise, the EU may continue to survive rather as the late Holy Roman Empire survived – a shell, a title, a memory. But, whatever happens, the nation-state is back.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/09/covid-19-has-put-eu-intensive-care

  55. I see our on top of the situation government are now promoting walking to work and mass cycling.
    I wonder if they are going to insist on rider identity by visible means and public liability insurance.
    It could well save a lot of unfortunate ‘mishaps’. I’m probably not the only Nottler to have experienced a close call with an unknown unidentifiable effing lunatic on two wheels.
    I heard today from a mutual friend of two chaps I use to play golf with, that have suffered from the virus. Both came through, both over 70 and both were infected at the Cheltenham festival.
    But I don’t think either of them ride bicycles. Or are likely to be doing so in the future.

    1. I walk to work but there really isn’t any excuse to get the bus. I cross Shepherds Bush Green and walk up Wood Lane to White City. Ten minutes.

        1. Totally agree Johnny. I was struggling to work at home and really frustrated with the office being that close so got leave to go back.

      1. That seems quick. Walking Wood Lane alone is 15 minutes, surely? Im sure you’re too young to remember the trolleybuses around Shepherds Bush Green. I remember the White City Stadium and greyhound racing there. Happy days…..

        1. I may exaggerate, though TV Centre is only about half way up Wood Lane. I do remember the stadium but not the trolley buses. All that remains of the stadium now is the finishing line. Bruce Forsyth carried the Olympic torch over the line in 2012.

      2. I can almost picture the route.
        I use to do a lot of work in London.
        Hammersmith, Shepherds Bush Chiswick; Hampstead. Some very well known clients.
        A long time ago we did a refurb in Latimer Upper school Hammersmith.
        Fascinating information found on the old boarded over black boards in the classrooms.
        And an extention of a house next to a famous film star.

    2. It would take me three days to walk to the office I had from 1988 to 1993.

      Headline-grapping idiots.

  56. The highlight of my day has been a long conversation – at a safe distance of course – in the launderette with a Nigerian guy who talked about the corrupt government there, the Chinese in Africa, the ongoing tribal conflicts (Boko Haram being Hausa etc) and not getting enough sunshine in Northern Europe plus diet/diabetes being the main reason for susceptibility to Covid 19. He views Lammy & co much as we do and having been on paid leave, is pleased to have been told now that he can go back to his job in the warehouse at Harrods on Tuesday.

    1. I suspect many Nigerians just want a settled normal life over here.

      Africa hasn’t much of a problem with Covid 19, but who would have thought that this terrible virus would be the beast it is over here in safe little old Britain.

  57. Have the Chinese taken over yet…….NO?

    …………what’s keeping them.

      1. The comments are excellent , worth a read

        I have just done a Channel flick and on the Parliament channel is the rerun of the 1959 General Election!
        Why?

    1. It’s a real pity this man cannot fully appreciate how much he is loathed and indeed hated. Any self-respecting individual would beg a Monastery to take him in so he could contemplate his actions and beg forgiveness.

      1. …………. and stop making more £millions?

        He should be prosecuted for treason… oops he had the crime removed from the Statute Book

        Perhaps he should change his name from Bliar to BLIRA

      2. Instead, he wants more globalism and “surveillance and control”, ostensibly to combate the coronavirus, but we all know hw would it to be permanent.

    2. The use of the verb “embedded” implies an unwelcome, invasive, or hostile presence.

      1. They used embedded to describe the press hangers on in Iraq.

        Maybe soldiers did not want them I the way when in battle, but unwelcome, invasive, hostile?

    3. I hate this person. He has caused so much trouble for us and now he has the labour party back with him.

      1. I suspect that half of Labour Party supporters can’t stand him either. Yesterday’s men should roll over and go away. However he clearly thinks his contribution is of value. A class one, 5 star, gold-plated twat.

          1. Even the unelectable Corbyn was able to prevent May from having a working majority without DUP support. I fear that however awful Starmer is he will probably be able to garner enough support to beat Johnson or Johnson’s successor.

          2. In all the VE-day documentaries recently, a recurring theme was that Churchill won the war but, nevertheless, the British people wanted change and thought that only Labour would provide it. I have no great regard for Boris Johnson or most of his Government but they do seem to be winning the current war, albeit not as quickly or effectively as they might have done. There is still a long way to go before we can say “it’s over, we won” and I have a horrible feeling that when we can, the British people will once again vote for change. Keir Starmer is no Attlee but we should be grateful that he is no Corbyn either.

      2. But do you want for him what Ms Margoyles wants for Boris Johnson?

    1. The curve on the graph is falling nicely, but good news is not permitted.

    2. There’s an error there,

      ‘Today’s reported figure is 207 deaths in hospitals in England: 29% fewer than the 711 deaths reported on the same day two weeks ago’ is wrong.

      It should read ‘207 deaths in hospitals in England, 29% of the 711 deaths reported on the same day two weeks ago’.

      They are selling themselves short.

    3. There’s an error there,

      ‘Today’s reported figure is 207 deaths in hospitals in England: 29% fewer than the 711 deaths reported on the same day two weeks ago’ is wrong.

      It should read ‘207 deaths in hospitals in England, 29% of the 711 deaths reported on the same day two weeks ago’.

      They are selling themselves short.

    4. It’s always lower at the weekend because most of the people who do the reporting are 9 to 5 weekday people.

      1. That site corrects the data as it comes in, and greys out the last 7 days with the message that those figures will be revised upwards in days to come. These aren’t the figures taht the Mail uses, they are allocated to the days of death, not reporting. Yesterdays accurate graph from that same source here;

        https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-death-data-in-england-update-8th-may/

        Look at the second graph and compare the curve with the graph published daily by the Mail. Chalk and cheese.

        The point isn’t that the number is lower than the day before. it is that it’s lower, much lower than the figures on the previous two Saturdays which suffered from the same ‘9 to 5’ effect.

        1. I like siffered not quite as bad as suffered.. well done for inventing a new word!

  58. Revealed: How ‘protect the NHS’ abandoned the seriously ill and elderly

    Shielding hospitals at all costs has opened up a new frontier in the war against an invisible enemy

    The above will vindicate the views that I and many others on here have held: the job of the NHS is to save patients’ lives.

    It seems all many of them have been doing is keeping themselves safe.

    Additionally those with existing medical problems and the diagnosis of anything other than Covid-19 have been put on hold.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/09/protect-nhs-abandoned-seriously-elderly/

    1. Let’s all stand on our doorsteps, turn our backs and fart loudly for the NHS.

    2. My youngest son was a patient in ICU for 20 days after a terrible messup after a hiatus hernia day patient op that went badly wrong . He developed sepsis .

      ICU was filthy , the nurses were careless with aseptic techniques , he had 10 lines inserted into his poor body .
      He needed corrective surgery , then 5 years later needed a section of his bowel removing , all because of bad surgery techniques .

      We should have sued . Poor chap still suffers with pain , and the quality of his life is impaired to a certain degree .

          1. There are considerable differences. A pleasant location tends to attract the better qualified.

          2. 🙂 I’ve always been puzzled as to why it was put into special measures; we have found it good.
            (Apart from the bloody parking!)

      1. Belle, that is appalling.
        I thought it was bad enough watching my son undergoing (well handled) treatment for Hairy Cell Leukaemia.

        1. That must have been a very alarming time for you all as a family .

          I had never heard of Hairy Cell Leukaemia untill I looked it up just now .
          Hope all is ok now?

          1. He’s in remission; I think 5 years is the time when we can all heave a sigh of relief.
            His oncologist is pleased – so fingers crossed.
            I cannot fault CGH; GP on the Friday, consultant on the Monday, treatment started straight away.

    3. An embarrassment of great depth for those of us who imagined that medicine had eternal obligations not political choices as to which of the sick they strove for. How doctors could cancel operations on the orders of managers is beyond our understanding.

    1. Like all good treasure, she should be buried

      If she is still alive, so what: she wishes death unto others

    1. It’s called Spot and is available for lease. Made by Boston Dynamics, an MIT spin off. It can climb stairs, negotiate obstacles, etc. All it needs are the lasers as shown in the movie “Short Circuit”.

  59. Afternoon, all. Today there have been signs of normality returning. Not just in the amount of traffic I encountered when I went shopping, but I actually managed to get everything on my list and I only had to queue a short time in one of the shops (both to get in and to pay). I did give one shop a miss (Iceland) because the queue was long and slow moving just to get in (and I am still annoyed at having been made to wait the last time I visited), but I was able to get everything I would have bought there elsewhere, so it’s their loss. The customer is always right is a principle I still hold to.

    1. Here in French supermarkets ‘the customer is always something to be tolerated’.

  60. GOOD GOLLY…..

    Little Richard: Rock ‘n’ roll pioneer dies – BBC News
    Pioneering rock ‘n’ roll singer Little Richard has died at the age of 87

    RIP

    1. #MeToo. However i was stunning to begin with and i have aged like a fine wine…………….. ahem.

  61. Just come in from the garden, having finished the excellent (free) bottle of Heidsieck. We thought we would make the most of the last warm, sunny day until September -as the early winter (caused by global warming) is to start tomorrow. Fire laid in and central heating primed.

    So I will bid you adieu and hope to make it until tomorrow.

      1. Rude boy. We had half to toast VE-Day and the rest this evening.

        Other wine was available….later.

    1. Oh dear , will we really have a cold snap.
      Wretched jackdaw is nesting in our chimney , no chance of a fire for us if the weather is too cold.

      Enjoy your evening Bill .

  62. It’s the “don’t him your name, Pike”, episode on at the moment

  63. I can hardly believe it I’ve just spent another two hours trying to log in to Disqus on my phone and it’s working at last.
    Time for a drink in celebration. 😀🍹
    And now my ‘king battery is nearly flat.
    So it’s Good night from me.

    1. How many other manufacturers were active across the US?

      This Musk seems to March to a very different drum.

  64. The Irish based bookies have taken a hammering

    They have been taking bets on outcome of the ‘historic games/fights/matches/races’ etc being shewn on lotsa TV channels, shown to cover the fact we have no Live Sport

    1. To completely miss the point, aren’t they returning some horse races using some computer program that takes all of the handicapping info and then adds some random jiggery pokery to make it interesting profitable for the bookies

      1. Do they actually shoot the horses that their programme tells them that fell at a fence and withdrew with a broken leg?

        Thought not.

        It’s nothing more than a penny arcade game.

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