Sunday 18 September: Young mourners are making clear that the future of Britain’s monarchy is secure

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  1. Good morning all.
    A warmer than expected start to the day due to it clouding over during the night. Dry, overcast and 6°C outside.

  5. Interesting comment piece by Matt Ridley:

    “ The Sachs Commission makes the crucial point that “no independent, transparent, and science-based investigation has been carried out regarding the bioengineering of SARS-like viruses that was under way before the outbreak of Covid-19. The laboratory notebooks, databases, email records, and samples of institutions involved in such research have not been made available to independent researchers”. Pause to notice how shocking this is. Around 20million are dead because of a virus new to the human species. A strong possibility is that it originated in laboratory research that was going on in the city where it started. Yet the notebooks and databases from that lab have never been made available, and many scientists and politicians are not even prepared to criticise the Chinese government over this lack of cooperation.”

    3. We don’t really expect the Chinese government to cooperate into a detailed examination of their records of research into biological warfare, do we?
      However, the work was being done in conjunction with scientists and researchers in the United States and elsewhere. This was revealed together with details of names and places at the very start of the outbreak. Maybe the Sachs Commission could start there?
      While it may reveal only part of the jigsaw*, that should be enough to see the picture?

      *The lab in China was apparently built by a French company. There would be a detailed specification for a Level4 biolab. That would give an indication of the work intended to be done.

  6. Young mourners are making clear that the future of Britain’s monarchy is secure

    One hopes so but will Charles destroy it all with is climate change madness?

    1. That headline could be wishful thinking from the pro Charles press.
      Here is some film footage, part of which is from the Guardian – rather predictably highlighting the negative.

      https://www.reddit.com/r/Wallstreetsilver/comments/xh251b/props_to_that_guy_not_afraid_to_speak_the_truth/

      The hectoring of the flunkey telling people to put their phones away, the shouted comments and the crowd’s rather patchy enthusiasm does give the lie to the story of the spontaneous, joyful walkabout described in the Mail.

        1. Yup. The picture of the two of them showed that they carried no script or screenplay. It did show some slight expressions of surprise and irritation maybe?

    1. I’ve looked over the railway fence into their car park a few times when held by the signals just before the station!

  8. And this earlier in the paper. Apparently the complainant thinks “witch hunt” is a racist term so clearly knows nothing about English (or Scottish for that matter) history. At least sanity has prevailed.

    “A BLACK British academic who claimed “witch hunt” is a racist term faces paying up to £170,000 to his former employers… Dr Mike Leary-Owhin, 66, a senior lecturer in spatial planning, was sacked from London South Bank University after being accused of bullying his line manager and “playing the race card….
    The academic said he was accused of being a “witch hunter” who displayed aggressive and bullying behaviour, the tribunal was told. Dr Tyler said Dr Leary-Owhin had been “more concerned with witch hunting than changing his attitude” in staff meetings.
    Dr Leary-Owhin is understood to have taken offence at the use of the term “witch hunting”, as he claims it is a racist reference to his Nigerian heritage….
    However, he has now lost his claims at an employment tribunal, which he attended dressed in formal Nigerian attire, and faces paying costs of £170,000 to the university. Dr LearyOwhin told The Telegraph he intended to contest the claim at a hearing later this month. Dr Leary-Owhin, of Brixton, south London, told Croydon Employment Tribunal: “Some of these terms are well known racial or racist stereotypes for black men and have been for hundreds of years, since the advent of the 400-year-old North Atlantic trade in free West African people, ie aggressive, slippery, bully, unmanageable. I am certain Dr Tyler [line manager] would not have used these words to describe a White-British male colleague…”

  9. And this earlier in the paper. Apparently the complainant thinks “witch hunt” is a racist term so clearly knows nothing about English (or Scottish for that matter) history. At least sanity has prevailed.

    “A BLACK British academic who claimed “witch hunt” is a racist term faces paying up to £170,000 to his former employers… Dr Mike Leary-Owhin, 66, a senior lecturer in spatial planning, was sacked from London South Bank University after being accused of bullying his line manager and “playing the race card….
    The academic said he was accused of being a “witch hunter” who displayed aggressive and bullying behaviour, the tribunal was told. Dr Tyler said Dr Leary-Owhin had been “more concerned with witch hunting than changing his attitude” in staff meetings.
    Dr Leary-Owhin is understood to have taken offence at the use of the term “witch hunting”, as he claims it is a racist reference to his Nigerian heritage….
    However, he has now lost his claims at an employment tribunal, which he attended dressed in formal Nigerian attire, and faces paying costs of £170,000 to the university. Dr LearyOwhin told The Telegraph he intended to contest the claim at a hearing later this month. Dr Leary-Owhin, of Brixton, south London, told Croydon Employment Tribunal: “Some of these terms are well known racial or racist stereotypes for black men and have been for hundreds of years, since the advent of the 400-year-old North Atlantic trade in free West African people, ie aggressive, slippery, bully, unmanageable. I am certain Dr Tyler [line manager] would not have used these words to describe a White-British male colleague…”

    4. The “free West African people” of 400 years ago is surely a figment of the imagination. The tribal leaders were absolute rulers with the power of life and death that might be enacted on a whim. The tribal leaders, often described as “kings” are the ones who sold “free West African people” including their own relations, into slavery. This venerable West African tradition of slavery was neither invented or imposed by white men. The white men came very late to the game and were merely exploitative end users, for a brief period of time before we British blew out that candle.

      1. According to King Lear’s Fool in Shakespeare’s play both the Truth and a Dog must be whipped.

        Why do Americans castigate the British for slavery when the US banned the practice several decades later than Britain?
        Why is the role of the blacks in Africa who sold their own people into slavery never mentioned?
        And why is the story of the enslavement of white people by the Barbary Pirates ignored?

        And why is the MSM and especially the BBC so afraid of raising such relevant questions?

  10. And this earlier in the paper. Apparently the complainant thinks “witch hunt” is a racist term so clearly knows nothing about English (or Scottish for that matter) history. At least sanity has prevailed.

    “A BLACK British academic who claimed “witch hunt” is a racist term faces paying up to £170,000 to his former employers… Dr Mike Leary-Owhin, 66, a senior lecturer in spatial planning, was sacked from London South Bank University after being accused of bullying his line manager and “playing the race card….
    The academic said he was accused of being a “witch hunter” who displayed aggressive and bullying behaviour, the tribunal was told. Dr Tyler said Dr Leary-Owhin had been “more concerned with witch hunting than changing his attitude” in staff meetings.
    Dr Leary-Owhin is understood to have taken offence at the use of the term “witch hunting”, as he claims it is a racist reference to his Nigerian heritage….
    However, he has now lost his claims at an employment tribunal, which he attended dressed in formal Nigerian attire, and faces paying costs of £170,000 to the university. Dr LearyOwhin told The Telegraph he intended to contest the claim at a hearing later this month. Dr Leary-Owhin, of Brixton, south London, told Croydon Employment Tribunal: “Some of these terms are well known racial or racist stereotypes for black men and have been for hundreds of years, since the advent of the 400-year-old North Atlantic trade in free West African people, ie aggressive, slippery, bully, unmanageable. I am certain Dr Tyler [line manager] would not have used these words to describe a White-British male colleague…”

  11. Residents tell of torture and deaths behind mass burial sites in liberated town Izyum. 18. September 2022.

    Oleg Synegubov, head of Kharkiv regional administration, said: “There are several bodies with their hands tied behind their backs, and one person is buried with a rope around his neck. Among the bodies that were exhumed today, 99 per cent showed signs of violent death.”

    The Telegraph was not able to independently verify those details and only saw a body with their hands behind their backs, but could not confirm whether they had been tied. Many of the bodies being pulled out of the ground when The Telegraph visited were so badly decomposed that it was not possible to tell if there were signs of torture from afar.

    BELOW THE LINE.

    DEVID OUENS. 7 hours ago

    There is another side to this story – but not one that is likely to appear in any western media. Many indépendant journalists have been to this so-called “mass grave”, (which are actually a series of individual graves) interviewed the grave diggers, and effectively proved beyond doubt that those who now sadly occupy those burial plots were killed by the Ukrainian shelling of the towns in their attempt to recover the lost territory.

    Before the usual chorus of “Russian troll”, “Hello Ivan” and the equally unfunny replies appear here, I am not a Russian “bot”, I loathe the deaths of innocent civilians, but I also detest shoddy journalism that relies on quite obviously biased third party accounts, or “testimonies” from those who are indisputably pro-Ukraine.

    Me neither Mr Ouens. This whole Izym story stinks of Ukie propaganda. The use of the term Mass Grave is itself both pejorative and misleading; as if this alone were some kind of crime. It’s not. The Ukrainian soldiers that were all buried together were clearly casualties in the initial assault and the Russians removed them because that is standard battlefield practice to prevent the spread of disease.

    This was a War Zone and Civilians are particularly vulnerable. It is telling that the vast majority are buried in individual graves by local services which implies time to collect the bodies and arrange the internment (coffins are clearly visible in some photographs) and which supports Mr Ouen’s observation that they were largely the victims of Ukrainian shelling over a prolonged period. So there was no organised massacre. The individual stories are even less convincing. The man who was allegedly tortured (Luke Harding. Guardian) by the use of an electric cable to his finger reeks of self-serving fabrication. Has this man not read any real life accounts? Or would that be too embarrassing? The Ukies; judging by this and other incidents, are quite incapable of telling the truth about anything. I’ve given up posting comments on the military progress of the war because as Oberst noted last week any MSM outlet that tells you that the Russians were shelling themselves at the Zaporozhe power plant, without challenging it, has a serious credibility problem.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/09/17/residents-tell-torture-deaths-behind-mass-burial-sites-liberated/

    1. Atrocities involve mass graves, maybe. Individual graves all neatly lined up, each with a wooden cross, are quite the opposite. Time was taken to dig them, make the crosses and, in some cases, identify the corpse.This may have been hurried, but it was clearly and obviously appropriately respectful of the dead. Moreover, it is blindingly obvious yet the BBC happily publish a story that is so clearly a pack of lies.

      1. BBC Mantra

        Lies: we publish

        The Truth we examine forensically, discredit, supress and do not publish.

    2. If they can get away with telling lies so easily then what motivation do they have for telling the truth?

      1. I think that they have given up on the truth entirely Richard. They just say the first thing that comes into their head!

  12. ‘Morning, Peeps.  A fresh and very still sunrise.  Off shortly to S Devon for a few days. 

    Meanwhile:

    SIR – Ken Mottram (Letters, September 15) asks why, under Liz Truss’s plan, the Government should subsidise his energy bills.

    As someone who, although not rich, is fortunately not too worried about rising energy costs, I shall nevertheless have no qualms about accepting help.

    For over 60 years I have paid every tax and levy imposed, and so regard the new measures as small compensation for the failure of successive governments to provide adequate, secure generation facilities and the infrastructure for distribution.

    John Greaves
    Umberleigh, Devon

    Splendid final paragraph, Mr Greaves.  This needs saying time and time again, at least until the highly damaging net zero stupidity is finally sent packing.  Never again should this country seek to rely on wind that doesn’t always blow and sun that doesn’t always shine, and buying its energy from an unreliable market.

    1. Putting all else aside i.e. the pandemic that wasn’t, the “vaccination” scheme that isn’t, the threat to the food and other assorted supply chains; the reluctance of recent governments to guarantee a safe and secure energy supply looks deliberate. Being aware of the WEF’s boasting re its infiltration of governments worldwide and its aim to control the masses by whatever means are necessary, is it any surprise?

    2. I feel the same; if anything’s going I’m going to have it. There is so little I qualify for, despite my having paid in a fair amount over a quarter of a century.

  13. One letter I’m going to jump in with is this one:-

    Landlords selling up
    SIR – You have highlighted the problems caused by the Government’s attacks on landlords, removing many of their rights as property owners.

    As a result, in this area and others, people who do not have the means to finance a mortgage are unable to find an affordable property to rent either. Landlords are selling their houses and flats, unwilling to risk being landed with a bad tenant whom they cannot remove. Most take care of their rented properties and treat their tenants well, yet they are being treated as pariahs.

    The new Prime Minister faces many challenges, but this situation requires urgent attention.

    Robin Nonhebel
    Swanage, Dorset

    Exactly Mr. Nonhebel. My own BTL has just hat £5,000 spent on a new kitchen with my tenants are delighted with.
    At least my tenants are not causing problems.

    1. Pariahs Eh??
      Unless they go down the Serco route……
      Rent guaranteed
      Council tax guaranteed
      Utility Bills guaranteed
      Total refurb guaranteed at end of contract
      See Serco ads for houses for full detais

      Of course that’s for a gimmigrant tenant and does nothing for the housing stock for the indigenous………
      Also begs the question just how high paying a job is the gimmigrant supposed to find to get them off this largesse plus of course the usual unemployment/child bennies??
      Bob hope and no hope and Bob’s dead………
      A drain on our society forever

      1. The houses are cheap because they are poor quality and in areas of low employment. This came to attention with the Middlesborough “red doors”, also Serco.

  14. ‘Morning All
    As we are constantly told the real problems are the Right Wing Terrorists in this country,the latest two incidents are very distressing,the man lunging at the Queens coffin and the stabbing of two police officers in Leicester Square are typical………
    Oh Wait
    It’s Mudslimes
    Again!!

    1. Yes, I just heard that on the news. Both named Mohammed (Peace be upon him) after their ‘prophet’. Pity his followers aren’t peaceful, but then again, neither was he.

    7. Morning all.

      I’ve always thought that “fashion designers”, especially for womenswear, don’t actually like women. What they design is so often bl..dy hideous! But then I’m not a follower of fashion. No fashion sense, me!

  17. At the Queen’s Coronation, soldiers and the police faced the procession along with the people. Peter Hitchens. 18 September 2022.

    I suppose that, as the most pessimistic person in the country, it falls to me to point out that we have, in fact, lost a lot of good things in the past seven decades, and that this is probably the last chance we have to try to get them back.

    They are summed up in a startling fact that was pointed out last week in a letter to a newspaper by Dennis Rolfe, who recalled: ‘As a young lad, I stood in the Strand and watched the Coronation procession of Queen Elizabeth II.

    ‘The police and soldiers lining the route all faced the procession. It is a sad reflection of our times that now they all face the crowd.’

    This is one of those small things that tells you the actual state of play beyond the Lies and Propaganda. The people are now regarded as the enemy by the ruling Political Elites. In a sense this is true. The General Population are a vast reservoir of traditional views and attitudes that are anathema to the present Cultural Oligarchy. They must be watched and policed, purged of heretical views and educated to conform. This will fail; as it always fails. Every utopian revolutionary dream has eventually collapsed under the weight of its own contradictions. The Soviet Union was probably the greatest edifice of mass repression ever invented. There was nothing beyond its purview. It pervaded every aspect of life. Exile, torture, murder; all-encompassing propaganda for seventy years. In the end hardly anyone could be found to speak up on its behalf.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11222717/At-Queens-Coronation-soldiers-police-faced-procession-people.html

    1. To be a bit of a contrarian; when my father was a Met officer in the 1930s, he always had to stand facing the crowd.
      As he said, he never actually saw the event itself.

    2. Morning, Rick and all Nottlers.

      Nudge? That headline isn’t a nudge, it’s a full-on charge into people’s backs that reeks of desperation. Anyone who falls for this blatant propaganda after all that has gone before since 2020, deserves all they get.

  21. 345167+ up ticks,

    Morning Each,

    Sunday 18 September: Young mourners are making clear that the future of Britain’s monarchy is secure

    All well and good after first tackling the odious legacy generated of late that has been left them plus which way the head of state will swing as a behind the scenes operator.

    May one ask has the government in mourning
    halted the morally illegal daily invasion and their hand in shipping in potential terrorist / troops / paedophiles via the RNLI people carrying service.

    I do believe that ” out of respect” in many respects is being selective in view of the
    reinforcements incoming & the internal war kicking off in Leicester.

    Sample of things to come ? NO, things already firmly in situ.

    https://twitter.com/jhall_m25/status/1571270885343989760?s=20&t=FBQTtOVsGGmmU2XFOOO7UQ

      1. The most sensible people talking about racism are the enlightened and intelligent black people like Candace Owens. I would like her to run for the US presidency.

  23. Good morning, all. Grey and damp looking day. Rain expected. Chilly.

    Nothing in the papers, I see.

      2. I think it’s the people still in the queue as the coffin comes out for the next part of its journey.

        2. The Prophet Enoch said just that and was vilified for telling the truth in the same way that those who saw through the Covid and climate change scams are still being vilified for telling the truth.

          “We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of some 50,000 dependents, who are for the most part the material of the future growth of the immigrant-descended population. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre.”
          [1968]

          But what would the prophet, Enoch, think of the numbers in which they are arriving each year now?

      3. Now, I like Hindus, and I like Muslims, too. But – which is better? There’s only one way to find out – FIGHT!!!

  26. The link is to the underlying story, the block quote comes from takimag’s the week that perished.

    DEEP FRIED AND BATTERIED
    Something delicious is cooking in China. Something fried. Is it rice? Pork? Fish?

    Nope, just thousands of tiny inscrutable Chins cooking to death in their electric cars.

    This year, Chinese conglomerate BYD announced that it had overtaken Tesla as the world’s No. 1 producer of electric vehicles. BYD EVs are sporty and economical, and the windshield wiper fluid is the tears of Uyghur children forced to watch the execution of their parents.

    There’s only one problem with BYD’s electric vehicles: They keep charbroiling Chinks. Seven EVs a day catch fire in China, 680 in the first quarter of 2022 alone. Although the Chinese are hardly interested in environmental activism (a 2018 visit to Beijing from Greta Thunberg merely confused Chinese leaders, who’d never encountered a child outside a sweatshop), they do love domination. So in their drive to top the market in cheap EVs, they’ve ignored minor points like drivers being steer-fried behind the wheel.

    The epidemic of EV fires has been particularly hard on Chinese firemen. Not only are EV fires notoriously difficult to extinguish, but after dousing a chargrilled Chinaman, an hour later you want another one (that joke earns a Greta Thunberg “How dare you”).

    Here’s Joe Biden’s dream of universal EVs, playing out as a nightmare overseas. Mind you, in the U.S. it could be argued that the mass immolation of EV drivers might not be such a bad thing.

    The Chinese EV Holocaust (visit a BYD Shoah room today!) has prompted Toyota, which in 2019 embarked on a joint venture with BYD to produce hybrids, to reduce its long-term EV manufacturing goals.

    Toyota’s position is that one Hiroshima per century is enough.

    When informed of Toyota’s decision to scale back EVs because people were being cooked alive, Greta Thunberg angrily declared, “How medium-rare you.”

    https://batteriesnews.com/7-battery-electric-cars-day-catch-fire-china-most-involved-brands/

          1. The point of that weekly column is to show just how dreadful the world is becoming, I don’t think it’s actually meant to be all that “laugh out loud” funny.

          3. To be fair, I usually find at least one each week that makes me do so too.
            That was this weeks!
            But then I’m going to Hell.

      2. It’s black and yellow striped – only for use in emergency 🙂 [The ex-flying/maintenance types will understand]

          1. Indeed, although the ones I sat in (Martin Baker) had two handles; one at the top and one between the pilot’s legs.

          2. Both marked black and yellow? I can’t remember. I only know when strapping in Pilots or Navigators, we always let them see 3 pins, meaning that the seat was live.

        1. Good day sir.
          We have some younger (mid 40s) people moving into into our road with electric cars.
          They have a certain “do you know who we are” attitude. They move in usually from North London area. The first thing they do is a massive extension or a must have loft conversion. 4 velux windows is setting the trend so far.
          My question is why didn’t you move to a larger house in the first place?
          “But we like the road”……yeah but you’ve ruined it for everyone else.

          4. Apparently the houses built early 50s, the power supply has to uprated to cope with the higher usage of chargers.
            One of the most recent arrivals is ‘King Gary’ loft conversion and massive extension.
            Look up the awful TV programme.
            And I’m not joking thus time.
            It’s really him and his wife.

    3. There have been a number of vehicles going on fire in the West. The media do not mention whether the car was petrol, diesel, or electric.

      1. Aaargghhh …. no more special offers from CrapJewellryRUs or interminable letters from the bank telling us what they can’t do.

    1. She is certainly presenting a problem to cartoonists and caricaturists – they haven’t got her quite right yet.

      1. How disgusting. Keep your filthy habits to yourself.

        Porridge is what you need first thing – to give you strength to tackle a cock tail later.

        1. After i shoved the bacon and marmalade in the croissants i squirted maple syrup all over them. Sticky heaven.

          1. We have it every day of the year. Made “massive” (as they say these days) improvement to cholesterol levels.

      2. I never thought of that, and I have a good supply of home-made marmalade, so I will try it out one day soon, Phizzee. Thank you!

        1. Actually I wanted to know whether this happened this week – as the tweet implies – or last year – as is often the case

  31. Good Moaning.
    I will kick off with a whinge. (OK – no change there.)
    At the risk of committing lèse majesté, after tomorrow, please could this country get back to work.
    For nearly three years we’ve been bombarded with excuses for shoddy or non-existent service; covid / after effects of covid / lack of staff / Brexit / holidays / and now the Queen’s death ……
    On Tuesday – get off your @rse and back to work: reply to your emails: answer the phone: provide a service; turn up to do jobs.
    I am thoroughly sick of pushing people to do the work for which they are paid.

    1. Tuesday – papers filled with Monday’s stuff; people needing time off to “recover” from the grief.

      It’ll go on for weeks before anything vaguely gets back to “normal” – and there will be so much “stress” that the NHS will be “overwhelmed”.

      And the Top of the Morning to you….

    4. Senior management at work now want everyone in the office at least three days a week. There is resistance. I’m there five days a week.

      1. Three whole days a week? Oh, the poor things. They should be there 6 days a week until the various backlogs are cleared, and 5 days a week thereafter. WFH is a privilege to be earned, not an entitlement.

        1. It is not where you work which is important in many cases. It is that you actually do the work you are paid for.
          Daughter works for a Defence Contractor. She writes bids. Over the past 18 months she has had a 80% success rate. She rarely gets to take all her annual leave because she is very busy and she will often be working late into the evening or taking a call from Australia in the early morning.
          My son, a computer programmer also works from home. He regularly puts in 12 hour days and often works weekends (unpaid) to get projects finished.
          I worked at home from Feb to July with the occasional visit to the office. I delivered all that was expected of me and more. My client is very satisfied.
          I am about to do 3 months work for a Government Agency. I have to commit to at least 2 days a week in the office – in Watford!
          I doubt that I will be any more effective in the office than I am here.

          1. I agree that in many cases WFH can be efficient and effective. However, I think that Anne’s comment was aimed at the many examples where it is an excuse for not performing properly, ie. Passport Office, DVLA and the Civil Service in general.

            Let me know if you want any lowdown on Watford, the best places to eat/drink/board etc., it can be a daunting place to a stranger.

      1. It’s the small, private companies or those in ‘basic’ jobs who have kept going or are now catching up after losing months of earnings.
        The whole farce enforced by their nit picking, box ticking ‘superiors’.

    6. Right, that’s it, Nursey. I am herewith promoting you to Matron and you can crack your whip bedpan and give them all that stern Hattie Jacques stare, and get this country back on its toes again. 👍🏻😠

  32. So could have possibly predicted that in a diverse peaceful country like England that the immigrant Muslims and Hindus would kick off their old enmities over here?

      1. And just to stir the pot, some British Hindus consider themselves superior to those johnny come latelys from Poland and Eastern Europe.

  33. Morning all 🙂 lovey bright crisp start.

    Young mourners are making it clear that the future of Britain’s monarchy is secure.

    I wonder what message is being displayed by the other usually vociferous and prominent groups often seen, literally on our streets, or marching with unfavourably worded banners, who have never even been seen at any of the recent events.

    1. There was a black guy hanging around White City bus station yesterday wearing a white hazmat suit and waiving a BLM banner while pushing a sort of trolley affair adorned with BLM slogans and photos of Fidel Castro. Possibly a comedy act and maybe the irony was intended but these days it’s so hard to tell. I was waiting for a 49 to Ken High St to do some shopping and he boarded a C1 to Victoria. Who knows what he was up to.

  34. Four magnificent horses will lead the Queen to her final resting place on Monday, marking the culmination of a 53-year love affair between the late Monarch and the ‘Mounties’

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/17/21/62515615-11222911-image-a-1_1663445765706.jpg
    Horses of honour: Superintendant Kevin Fahey on Sir John, Sergeant Major Scott Williamson on Darby, Corporall Justine Rogawski on Elizabeth and Constable Katy Loisel on George of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police will take the first steps of the Queen’s funeral procession

    Jacinda is on stand-by as a spare in case one of the Mounties’ horses goes lame.

    1. What happened to their red jackets and Boy Scout hats? They look more like traffic wardens to me.

        1. Talking of which, I’ve been watching the repeats of Reggie Perrin on ‘That’sTV ” ( what a sillly name for a channel). As well as David Nobbs (Marlborough and St Johns Cambridge) wonderful creation, the programmes are interspersed with other later comedy shows, Fry and Lawrie, Harry Enfield etc. It is a stark reminder of how comedy dropped off a cliff in the 80s. The only one that has partially stood the test of time seems to be Blackadder.

      2. Morning Elsie – They look smarter than some of our policemen. I wonder if they brought their bonny horses from Canada.

  35. 356167+ up ticks,

    May one ask, is HS2 build part of the
    replace / reset campaign, forward planning with troop movements in mind, PRIME current example being Dover / Leicester.

    Are new business opportunities springing up
    such as a global invite “why sort your grievance out on home turf when you can do it in England with benefits via welfare” and the support of the electorate majority.

  37. Good morning, everyone. The DT has a picture of the king and a caption below that says Charles II. They must get some subbies who are older than 12.

    2. Good morning, Delman 86

      I am prone to making typos myself – but I am not the editor of the DT!

  38. Duke and Duchess of Sussex find ‘new role’ is to be left in the cold
    Sussexes now enjoy a ‘half in, half out’ version of royal life, exemplified by their ‘un-invitation’ to the ‘state reception of the century’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/18/harry-meghan-realising-monarchy-still-calls-shots/

    BTL Comment

    Imagine you run the school’s football team and have a very good player who decides he only wants to play in some matches and not in others. If you exclude him from the team the team is more likely to lose in the short term; but if you include him then the other members of the team will be angry, disappointed and resentful so in the longer term the team will be weaker.

    Are Harry and Migraine committed team players or should they be excluded from the team altogether?

    1. Do committed team players accuse their team mates of racism on prime time telly?
      Do they deliberately drive their ageing supporters into the grave?

    2. I thought they wanted to live a private life. Now they’ve got it (or at least partly), they still aren’t satisfied.

  39. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d79c7571ab06fd5759edffc0e35b41b433d3ba85f290ad341121c432a84fa50f.png Na then, Carol, I hear what you are saying, but your choice of visited cities seems a bit arbitrary to me.

    If the Royal Train followed your chosen route, how do you think it would make the residents of Dundee, Glasgow, Sheffield, Liverpool, Bristol, Nottingham, Cardiff, Swansea, Winchester, Norwich, Plymouth and Southampton (among all the countless towns and villages in Great Britain that still have a railway line) feel?

      1. And many of the retired vicars supporting XR would have deliberately chosen the quick route to meet their Maker.

  40. It was interesting to see the photograph on pages 2 and 3 of this morning’s Sunday Telegraph showing all eight of HM The Queen’s grandchildren guarding her coffin. The Prince of Wales, Peter Phillips, Zara Tindall, Princess Beatrice, Princess Eugenie, Lady Mountbatten-Windsor and Viscount Severn all stood with heads bowed and hands clasped in front of them. However, Prince Henry alone stood rigidly to attention with unbowed head facing front.

    Every picture tells a story.

    1. There was a very nice article in the Mail yesterday with a lot of photos of HM with her grandchildren. One with Beatrice and Eugenie was particularly touching, in the light of their parents’ ghastly antics. You could see in the photo that they had at least one stable influence in their lives, which may partly explain why they have grown up to be better behaved than Andrew and Sarah F.
      If HM made mistakes when her children were younger (and let’s not forget, she was almost the only woman in Britain who flew off on business trips in the 1950s!), you can see from the body language in the photos that she had good relationship with her grandchildren and great-grandchildren.

      1. My mother worked during the 1950s to pay our school fees.
        My brother and I may be a bit on the stroppy side, but that’s more nature than nurture.

        1. One of my sons hit adolescence very hard at the age of 12 and remains very stroppy to this day at the age of 28. His younger brother observed his sibling closely and, after a few surly months at the age of 15, he decided that adolescence was not for him and became a young adult rather than an old child and was far happier as a result.

      1. Maybe the ST was being mischievous? I’ve just watched the same YouTube video (I still have it on). It is noticeable how young Viscount Severn has never had any military training or drilling practice. He was out-of-step with all the others, had no marching sense, and raced on ahead at one point. I wonder if his father, who hated being forced into the Royal Marines, wished his own son not to have to endure a military lifestyle?

          1. I was drilled regularly as a St John’s Ambulance Cadet from the age of 10. At age 14 I was drill pig to our Brigade.

          2. The only experience I had of marching was shambling along as a member of the Boy Scouts on Church Parades.

    4. I don’t know which of those was the young lad – but how did he get medals? He can’t be long out of school

  41. From the Sunday Grimes – Mr Liddle sums up the so-called Prime Minister:

    “Do you remember from your early schooldays those times when the entire class took it in turns to read from a book? And everyone waited nervously for the book to reach the, er, differently abled pupil who always took half an hour to read one short sentence, grunting and sweating with exertion?

    That cringing anxiety is exactly how I feel when I’m waiting for Liz Truss to make a speech. She sounds like someone in the early part of an English as a foreign language course.

    She can be trained to improve her delivery, of course — Margaret Thatcher sounded like a fishwife on acid before the PR monkeys got hold of her. But what Liz actually says isn’t very inspiring, either.”

    Oh, you demented Tories. What have you done?

    1. And the alternatives – once the Umps had done their job – were?
      I still think that the shortlist should have been 4 and then a second ballot on the final 2.

    2. Bless Rod. But being a socialist, and a member of the SDP he is never going to be supportive of a truly Conservative PM & Government which is what I hope and believe that we will get with Liz Truss.

        1. Since the OP referenced Rod Liddle, who I know quite well, he has already acted in joining the SDP.
          As for the PM – she has had little time to act at all but judging by the behaviour of her team and in particular Penny Mordant thrown in the deep end as leader of the House it would indicate that she has around her people who are prepared to hit the ground running.

        1. I am much more interested in what she does than what she says – but having been to a meeting where she was speaking it was evident that she is much more fluent when speaking off the cuff than when reading from some notes. I wonder if she is dyslexic.

    3. The Conservative Party is dead. Lord Frost might have saved it but Adultera Truss will not.

  42. Top headline in the US page of the Mail…
    “Denver allocates $2 MILLION in taxpayer funds to provide homeless people with $12,000 in no-strings-attached cash – as a last-ditch effort to lift them out of destitution, combat soaring crime rates and clean up squalid encampments”

    Another variant on Universal Basic Incomes then. Money for nothing…
    UBI hasn’t worked yet, it was a dismal failure in trials in Europe, but still they keep pushing it, because they want us all addicted to Soma free money.
    If anyone thinks this will solve the homeless problem in the US, they must be a Democrat.

      1. The program, which in total will cost around $9million, is seeking to help around 820 people, but the $2million provided by the city will fund around 140 people
        The program will be divided into three groups with 260 receiving $6,500 upfront then $500 a month for 12 months
        Another 260 will get $1,000 a month for 12 months and 300 will get $50 stipends to complete surveys to help see how the program is working
        The participants will be chosen at random but will largely be women, transgender and non-binary individuals

        1. For *F*S sake. the trans are already mentally ill. Stuff the weirdo ‘non binary’, they choose to believe a lie. Go for the service men relying on crack to get them through the day, when their brains relive explosions, torn off limbs.

          Yes, the trans are mentally ill. Yes, they’re drug addicts, but they choose that life. If someone has nothing else going on except to think they’re a table then they do not deserve help. Women, yes, to get them off the game but the true homeless are usually men.

          1. The USA is a much harsher environment as far as becoming homeless is concerned, there is nowhere near the safety net that there is in the UK.

            I agree re helping the veterans.

        1. Yes, but it’s the equivalent of the government smashing windows to create work for a glazier (or any government funded job creation program).

          1. Message wrapped around stone through window.
            “J. Bloggs, Glazier. Only a stone’s throw away.”

            Courtesy the Goon Show circa last century.

    2. I can see a lot of ‘undocumented immigrants’ begging the Governors of Arizona, Florida & Texas to bus them to Denver!

    3. The Homeless often don’t want cash. What they need most is drug rehabilitation, mental illness support, significant psychotherapy. Only then can you give them food and shelter.

      You can’t just bung a meth addict 12K and say you’ve helped. The costs involved are huge but need to be targeted, one individual at a time.

  43. Good Morning. Another cold night, another grey day.
    Anyone notice any similarity between the good folk in the queues to do homage at the catafalque and those we see in the beautiful houses in TV adverts?

  44. Morning, all. This is probably the last day I shall make it in the morning, because the insulation job should be finished by tonight and tomorrow I’ll have a lie in (nothing will be open, anyway).

      1. Hopefully not – the router is on the other side of the building 🙂 I have solid walls with no cavity and the south wing (where I’m having the insulation installed) is always very cold. The sitting room only has one internal wall if you don’t count the lean-to conservatory at the back.

          1. Inside. Plasterboard with about an inch (2.5cm) of insulation behind it, then skimmed with plaster. I’ve lost a bit of space, but I hope it’s going to be worth it for the diminution of heat loss. That room is like an icehouse, despite two radiators and an open fire.

          2. The open fire cannot help unless you are huddled round the fireplace..

            We had a fireplace insert installed in our open fireplace. It stopped drafts and turned the whole room into a nice cosy area.

          4. It occurs to me you might think my open fire is a dog grate in a large space (I have one of those in the dining room). This is a cast iron, Victorian style grate with tiles either side. It does warm the room well once it gets going and when it isn’t in use I can put the damper in to shut off the draught from the chimney.

          5. We were advised years ago to replace our open fire with a wood burner – we did – just in time for the cold January of 2010. We’ve never regretted it.

        2. I should add that the radiators are at the end of the system and therefore don’t get hot unless everything else is turned off (a trick the people who installed the oil heating did to fool me into thinking they’d improved the situation).

          1. That’s one reason why our modern extension is the coldest part of the house. It’s also on the north-east side.

          5. Ah, you see, Pip, you win things. I have no luck at all in that. The premium bond MOH had held since the fifties never won a penny and famously there were once 13 of us at a gathering and 12 prizes in the raffle – guess who got the 13th ticket!

          6. I won half a crown for twisting once on the IOW. If I tried twisting now I’d end up in traction for a month;-)

          9. Garlands visited me one time and i took her out to dinner at a friends restaurant. It was his monthly charity night.

            Guests are asked to bring something for the raffle. I took a painting. A copy of a Jack Vetriano (couple dancing on beach). Being a classier gift it went into an auction.

            I bid against a mate and i got the price up to £50 where he backed out and i bought my painting back. :@)
            I won so many raffle prizes i gave Garlands two bottles of wine and a bonbonnier.

            Karma !

          10. It’s called planning so one can raise a toast to Her Late Majesty.
            I maybe a smartarse but I won’t be going thirsty 😉

        2. I was in Lidl* couple of days ago. There were notices on the shelves saying,” We are trying very hard to get more stock”.

          * Posh, moi?

    3. Is it your roof and or the walls your having insulated Conners ?
      What type of insulation are you having.

      1. The walls. I already have as much insulation as I can cram in the roof space. I’m having plasterboard with a layer of insulation behind it affixed to battens internally on the external walls. Once it’s been plastered and redecorated you shouldn’t know it’s there (apart from the reduction in chill and the fact the room is slightly smaller).

        1. An Older building with no cavity Conners.
          I should re insulate our loft spaces but I can’t bring myself to move all the stuff we have stored up there. Mind you all the items we have spread around will serve as insulation I suppose.

          2. Yes, it’s an older building with no cavity, just solid brick walls. The north side isn’t so bad because a) the dining room adjoins the kitchen, which is warm, and there are only two outside walls and b) it’s panelled.

          7. I think you’ll be OK with secondary glazing, it has little or no effect on the appearance from the outside.
            It’ll be a shame to have spent all the money time and effort on insulation when you still have a vulnerability to the cold air. 🤔

          9. Our house is old, with no cavities. But the coldest part is the extension which was only built 30 years ago and we had to have part of the roof replaced last winter.

          1. I have an open fire and there is a good gap under the door (to allow it to open over the carpet and rug).

  45. Breaking news:

    Brash and Trash to continue making films, podcasts and publishing books UNTIL the public give them the privacy they demand.

  47. Here’s a name some of you will remember even though you will wish you hadn’t. Lewis has had a number of outbursts over the years, none more offensive than his KKK tweet after the Sewell report.

    Labour MP claims idea of monarchy as symbol of duty is a ‘lie’

    Clive Lewis said he watched queues to see Queen’s coffin with ‘despair’ and said the royal succession ‘is as much about coercion as consent’

    By Josh White • 17 September 2022 • 7:26am

    A Labour MP has said he watched thousands of people queueing to pay tribute to the late Queen at her lying-in-state with “bemusement followed by a touch of despair” and claimed the idea of monarchy as a symbol of duty is a “lie”.

    Clive Lewis, a former shadow cabinet minister, has openly defied Sir Keir Starmer’s order to his party to stay silent before the Queen’s funeral on Monday, penning an article in the Guardian in which he claimed that the royal succession is “as much about coercion as consent”.

    Mr Lewis, the MP for Norwich South, said the monarchy was a national distraction that allowed the ruling classes to deceive people about their duty to the nation.

    Mr Lewis wrote: “While republicans should respect the language of ‘duty’ and ‘sacrifice’ monarchists have so forcefully claimed that the Royal family makes on our behalf, we should not pretend that the reality is anything other than a lie. That is not what monarchy is. It may provide a symbolic way for us to recognise other people’s sacrifice and commitment to society – but the monarchy itself risks nothing and does not suffer, save for having the lives of the Royal family become the stuff of celebrity gossip. Through it all, it remains the backbone of a power structure that traces its roots back to feudalism.”

    He added: “It is a spectacle exalted for exemplifying virtues that should be typical in public life and public behaviour. Casting such behaviour as exceptional allows the likes of Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and the economic elites they represent to break and exploit the rules for their own benefit and that of their very narrow class interest – of which the monarchy is an integral part.”

    The former Labour leadership contender, who was shadow defence secretary under Jeremy Corbyn, accused the Royal family of enjoying tax breaks and enriching themselves while inequality in the UK has grown.

    The comments are likely to anger Sir Keir’s office, particularly since Labour MPs were this week issued guidance warning them to “suspend all campaigning and party activity” and give no comment to the media, save tributes to the Queen.

    The advice provoked criticism from some MPs and shadow ministers.

    Mr Lewis is a former BBC journalist and vice-president of the National Union of Students. He served a tour of Afghanistan in 2009 with the 7 Rifles. In 2019, he stood for leader of the Labour Party but failed to receive enough parliamentary nominations to get on the ballot.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/09/17/labour-mp-clive-lewis-claims-idea-monarchy-symbol-duty-lie

    4. There were some blacks talking on the telly. One remarked how racist it was in the UK and the Queen had done nothing about it. The other said the Queen was nothing to do with him and had no relevance to his life. They just dont get it and demonstrate that they will never be British even though they were born here.

        1. They can’t get past the ‘monkey on the back’ syndrome.

          I know and like black people who don’t suffer in this way and they are perfectly happy here.

          They sometimes get abuse but don’t we all at some time or another…

    5. What Mr Lewis is saying cannot be denied, mostly. However, almost any means of ruling people could be described in a similar way. Almost every country that has claimed to be democratic and republican has failed its people, or just fallen apart, broken into factions along religious or religious lines. We can see this happening in the United States. While the EU has been on a higher plane where the EU commission and structure has filled the role of a monarch, many of the individual countries seem to be under strain. However flawed the monarchy may be, and it has to be flawed as monarchs are human, the fact of an apolitical Head of State unaffected by political fashions, tends to rein in the worst excesses of politicians and rightly provides a rallying point for the people. We have noted that political hierarchies, in republics, and in democracies like ours, may become quite dissociated from the people. VIP routes and VIP tickets and special treatment of elected MPs is evidence of this. They have forgotten that they are elected to serve the people, not to be bosses.

  48. Here’s a name some of you will remember even though you will wish you hadn’t. Lewis has had a number of outbursts over the years, none more offensive than his KKK tweet after the Sewell report.

    Labour MP claims idea of monarchy as symbol of duty is a ‘lie’

    Clive Lewis said he watched queues to see Queen’s coffin with ‘despair’ and said the royal succession ‘is as much about coercion as consent’

    By Josh White • 17 September 2022 • 7:26am

    A Labour MP has said he watched thousands of people queueing to pay tribute to the late Queen at her lying-in-state with “bemusement followed by a touch of despair” and claimed the idea of monarchy as a symbol of duty is a “lie”.

    Clive Lewis, a former shadow cabinet minister, has openly defied Sir Keir Starmer’s order to his party to stay silent before the Queen’s funeral on Monday, penning an article in the Guardian in which he claimed that the royal succession is “as much about coercion as consent”.

    Mr Lewis, the MP for Norwich South, said the monarchy was a national distraction that allowed the ruling classes to deceive people about their duty to the nation.

    Mr Lewis wrote: “While republicans should respect the language of ‘duty’ and ‘sacrifice’ monarchists have so forcefully claimed that the Royal family makes on our behalf, we should not pretend that the reality is anything other than a lie. That is not what monarchy is. It may provide a symbolic way for us to recognise other people’s sacrifice and commitment to society – but the monarchy itself risks nothing and does not suffer, save for having the lives of the Royal family become the stuff of celebrity gossip. Through it all, it remains the backbone of a power structure that traces its roots back to feudalism.”

    He added: “It is a spectacle exalted for exemplifying virtues that should be typical in public life and public behaviour. Casting such behaviour as exceptional allows the likes of Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and the economic elites they represent to break and exploit the rules for their own benefit and that of their very narrow class interest – of which the monarchy is an integral part.”

    The former Labour leadership contender, who was shadow defence secretary under Jeremy Corbyn, accused the Royal family of enjoying tax breaks and enriching themselves while inequality in the UK has grown.

    The comments are likely to anger Sir Keir’s office, particularly since Labour MPs were this week issued guidance warning them to “suspend all campaigning and party activity” and give no comment to the media, save tributes to the Queen.

    The advice provoked criticism from some MPs and shadow ministers.

    Mr Lewis is a former BBC journalist and vice-president of the National Union of Students. He served a tour of Afghanistan in 2009 with the 7 Rifles. In 2019, he stood for leader of the Labour Party but failed to receive enough parliamentary nominations to get on the ballot.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/09/17/labour-mp-clive-lewis-claims-idea-monarchy-symbol-duty-lie

  51. That’s the planned concreting done and the next kerbstone on the steps moved down ready for putting into its new place.

    There was a brief, almost imperceptible shower earlier, but the sky’s partially cleared and I’ve washing to hang out!

    1. There’s a big black cloud heading towards me and the wind is getting up here. I expect we’ll get a soaking shortly.

  52. 356167+ up ticks,

    Lets be fair it is not our, United Kingdoms
    war.

    Our governing bodies & supporters gave them the battle ground & financed their daily
    lifestyles what more are they expected to do.

    The likes of Leicester, Birmingham, major cities etc,etc are fast becoming NO GO areas for indigenous peoples.

    Won’t happen here ? Countrywide have a DOT represent a city, then join the dots.

    https://twitter.com/FlowersEnglish/status/1571310334585049088?s=20&t=A526Y427FbwK5JgIlKI9Pw

    1. But a man who left bacon on the door of a mosque was murdered in prison, and nothing was ever done about it.
      Everyone can see this uneven policing.

      1. This is because our prison population is vastly majority muslim.

        Same as 70% of welfare dependents are muslims.

        See a pattern? They cause the most problems, commit most crime, do the least work. There is a problem in that demographic and we, as a nation need to talk about it – namely – get a job, work for a living and behave. Your identity, religion and attitudes vanish or you leave.

      1. Just imagine if a white man did something equivalent at a mosque. Armed police would have been there in a trice.

    4. Why don’t the police firmly enclose the site where they are facing each other, issue each side with firearms and leave them to sort it out themselves as they would have done in their ancestral homelands.

      When they have run out of ammunition allow those who have survived to go home having first frisked them thoroughly to make sure they do not still have any weapons on them and arrange for the municipal refuse collection service to collect the bodies.

      1. 356167+ up ticks,

        Afternoon R,
        Someone would inform the local council there are laws,

        How councils deal with complaints about noise at night, intruder alarms, construction noise and loudspeakers in the street.
        also
        gunfire / shellfire the tramping of marching feet as reinforcements turn up from Dover in areas that have been given to aliens in appeasement via the polling booth

    5. Yes. The police are there to watch. They have noted that the men are wearing masks. The police are on the lookout for a dear old lady who is not wearing a mask. The old lady will be promptly arrested, handcuffed and hauled off to jail.

  53. Has anyone else noticed the complete absence of the London mayor during all this wonderful and truly deserved homage now being paid to our wonderful Queen.
    Dignitaries have now arrived from all over the globe and I don’t remember seeing that horrible squirming little git once.

      2. I hope he’ll never lives this down.
        It’s pretty obvious that muslims are boycotting all of this.
        And Charlie calls him self defender of the not just the Faith, but plural faith’s.

      2. If that were to be the case, it would show that this country had become majority Muslim. God forbid. I would even turn into a monarchist!

    2. Just imagine what it would be like if ‘Jerusalem’ were to be adopted as the English National Anthem (not the British anthem). Most of the players would think they are playing against Israel.

    4. Just home. Did some shopping and had lunch out after church. Unexpectedly carrying a candle this morning as a fellow server had dropped out. Should have been my week off but was quite good fun as there was a baptism with much howling from the babe and mischievousness from other youngsters. The service plowed ahead, with a full church, amid the chaos. (Traditional baptism vows.)

    5. Nipped out for a pot of paint.
      Colchester is one large traffic jam.
      MB thought I’d gone off to make the stuff myself.

      1. Don’t get me started on the effing roundabouts to the east of the town – where Ipswich Road meets St Andrews Avenue….. Grrrrrrr

        1. (Smug grin.)
          TBF – yesterday was even worse. Gawd knows what was going on, but after about 1/2 mile, I gave up and decided nothing was THAT important!

          1. The highway “planning” (hoarse larf) seems designed to dissuade anyone from entering the town. I have always wanted to go to the Museum – not a chance with the present malarkey.

          2. Alf and I noticed the huge amount of traffic around everywhere yesterday when doing a spot of shopping. Bought a ready meal for to tomorrow plus milk. Our son shopped today at Sainsburys but said they’d sold out of meat, milk and bread. I reckon we were quite lucky to shop yesterday, people seem to be stocking up as if it’s Christmas.

  56. Just googled Dubonnet cocktails, since I have most of a bottle left. Dubonnet & tonic tastes of linoleum… just saying.

  58. One thing I’ve noticed about the lying-in-State is the number of certain men of middle age and beyond. They may be wearing nondescript clothing, even casual. But they have medals on their chests, real ones, not like I collected from Corn Flakes as a child. Medals that would be the envy of the President of any Banana Republic. Some of them were a bit tatty around the edges, jeans even, some are smart with velvet collars on their fawn cashmere overcoats. One chap wore a leather waistcoat and the medals extended to the right hand side as the left was full up. Some of them are bent over a bit, other move slowly. Some shuffle, Others walk crisply enough. Some wear their berets in a standard ordinary way, some shyly, others like the cock o’ the walk. What they all do is face the catafalque and come to attention, backs like ramrods, and make as smart and as stiffly sharp a salute as ever graced a parade ground at Wellington Barracks.
    It makes me cry.

    1. I have found viewing the people filing past HM’s coffin incredibly moving. Several times I have shed tears. I dearly hope she knows how much she was loved and respected.

      1. The atmosphere must be incredible. It’s like looking back at the ghost of what used to be Britain.
        It surprised me to see quite a few young far Eastern people. Tourists? Expats? They are very respectful anyway.

        1. To contrast the dignity and reverence of those people in Westminster with what is going on in Leicester certainly gives one pause.
          I don’t sign online petitions but I made an exception when it was said that Richard III was to be interred in Leicester- I thought York would have been more apt. At the time I said that Leicester Cathedral would be a mosque in 20 years. I think I over estimated the time frame.

          1. Same here – it’s very sad that he’s left alone in Leicester. I think they didn’t want him in York because they didn’t want a cult of Richard (last English monarch etc) starting. The then Dean of York Minster was a disgrace I thought, saying that they didn’t want him there.

          2. I asked a verger in Westminster Abbey if any attempt had been made to have Richard III there but he said, if you believe it, that there wasn’t room. Queen Anne Neville, Richard’s wife is buried there.
            But York- he was known as Lord of the North and if you read what the city of York wrote about the King in the town records, shows what a high regard he was held in.

          3. The scum causing trouble in Leicester are not Britons. They’ve nothing in common with this country. They are simply cultural rapists.

          5. Then we treat them like the animals they are, collar and chain them up until they learn to behave. If they never learn, they remain chained. It’s not funny any more. We have council departments to ill vermin.

          6. Mosque burning has to be the new Christian sport. Come on chaps and chappesses, 1, 2, 3, strike a light!

      1. With no battles ever fought, how have they earned that metal?

        As it is: “Judge me not by my medals, but ny my scars.”

    4. Since the MSM were predicting 30 hour queues to the lying-in-state, I ruled myself out. I’d already spent a few hours ‘on my feet’ on Thursday, culminating in a 1,5 mile trek from Seale to the nearest bus.

      By 10 pm, the DCMS YouTube feed was saying that the queue was 7.5 hours long. Deciding this was doable, I caught a late train to Canada Water. Arriving just before midnight, I’s missed the bus to the start of the queue by two minutes, So I set off walking, following Google Maps. I now realise that my phone’s compass is unreliable, since it took me away from the queue. Thirsty, I found a 24 hr convenience store, and picked up a couple of bottles of water and a sandwich. At which point I realised I no longer had my wallet.

      I was able to settle the bill using Google Pay on the phone. Went to all my banking apps, and froze my cards. Walked back to Canada Water to try and find the wallet. No joy.

      Went in the wrong direction again. Realised my mistake. Found queue around 2 am. Didn’t see David Beckham. In fairness, my gait must have been a giveaway by then, as I was plucked from the barriers and led to the park exit.

      The queue progessed. Brown people in Hi-Viz kept barking instructions to ‘Stay on the Pavement.’ Why, FFS? All the pavements on the South Bank are mainly dropped kerbs for eye-wateringly expensive flats’ garages. But at 3 am, there are no cars. With prosthetic feet, the absence of articulating ankles makes a rapid succession of dropped kerbs uncomfortable, at least.

      The queue progressed. Beyond Tower Bridge, I paused to post Friday’s new page. The atmosphere in the queue was a joy to behold. I ended up chatting to a chap who had taken the train from Lancaster on Thursday afternoon, planning to go home as soon as possible.

      There were occasional pauses in the queue, but – upon reaching Blackfriars – it stopped. 45 minutes later, we hadn’t moved, and my poor stumps were protesting loudly. I had a notification from my Tile app that my wallet had been found, so I made my excuses and left the queue.

      I realised that the Millennium Bridge [rovided an escape route, so ended up at Blackfriars station. As I was worki.ng out the next move, a very elderly gentleman asked me, “Where is the state of the queue?” “About three hours to the East”, I replied. I’d been forced into taking a second wristband. “Here,take this. Put it on your wrist, cross the Millennium Bridge, and join the queue.” “Tell Her late Majesty I sent you.”

      Thanks to the Tile tracker in my wallet, and another Tile user, to whom I’m eternally grateful, I was able to retrieve it from Canans Water Tube Station, yesterday morning.

      1. Bloody hell, little Bro’. What a nightmarish experience but all credit to you for attempting this.
        Make sure you get plenty of rest the next day or two. Well done!!

        1. Good show, GG, I admire you courage with so many vicissitudes that would halt another. Good for you to just KBO.

        2. Not at all, Big Sis. Yes, I’m tired. But I covered much unneccesary ground. Google Timeline and the Health app on my Samsung phone bear this out. The latter bullies me into taking 6000 steps a day. And I recorded >23k steps on Friday…

          Stumps are happy again.

        1. #Nor Me, though ’tis a great trek from the Scottish Border to Lunnon plus an inability to walk 70 metres or more.

      3. I’ve been to many funerals, so “an old lady in a box” is hardly new.

        I’m sorry I didn’t make it to Westminster Hall, and had the ‘disabled’ queue been more widely advertised, I may have been able to pay my respects.

        But I took partr in The Queue, and that’s an experience I’ll never forget.

        1. Bless you, Geoff! So pleased you got your wallet back, but sad you missed paying your respects to our late Queen. I’m sure the elderly man you gave your wristband to will have passed on your sentiments, and his gratitude! Well done you!😘

  59. Well, a bit of luck. I had planned a bonfire for tomorrow – but, what with one thing and another, it seemed not the best day….

    So, discovering the wind was in the right direction, I started one at 11.30.

    Now, all the garden rubbish from the last six months is a smouldering pile of ash. VERY satisfying.

      1. I got the impression that the interviewer had heard it before – but the man wasn’t wrong about US debt…

          1. That is a very fine suit. Shirt cuffs are bit too long. No more than half an inch should show, ever.

    4. I feel your pain, Bob. Looked after Dianne’s grand-dog for a week or so. The grey Schnauzer hairs on the navy blue sofabed were easy to spot. Elsewhere, less so.

      2. Friend stayed some years ago, brought her black lab. Hairs like nails, he had, and shed them every place. Floor was a stab hazard – got several stuck, like thorns, in my feet 🙁

      3. We have a Miele “Cat and dog” hoover. It’s lasted quite few years. Previously we had a Dyson (inherited). It broke and it cost £50 to fix it. It broke again. Junked. I have never heard a good report about Dysons. Prior to that we had an Electrolux. It was duff.

    5. We have a fox red Labrador. Moulting is a regular occurrence. Fortunately our vacuum cleaner hasn’t been overwhelmed yet.

  63. Although the occasion is terribly sad, it is interesting seeing all the foreign leaders coming to London and paying respects to HM.

      1. I like seeing them all dressed up and paying respects in a dignified way. Apart from Napoleon – he and wife were wearing casual clothes with trainers to Westminster hall.

  64. I’m back for a short while. The electricity was off temporarily while the sockets and wall lights were refitted, then when the chap had finished, I took the dogs for a walk. Later I’m going to church for the Vigil (I didn’t get there this morning owing to the work being done).

  65. Good Afternoon all .
    As I’m still in some discomfort from an earlier back injury I thought I would add to the sum of mankind’s knowledge by researching the analgesic worth of western medicine against my own alternative of good Scottish Ale. I may report back but in the mean time I’m looking for a sponsor for further research .

    In a recent foray into twatter I came across the extraordinary response of the left twatterati in response to
    Katharine Birbalsingh inviting Jordan Peterson to talk to her school, truly there are some bitter and twisted individuals existing in that leftist fetid cess pit of rancorous hate.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ac469c8ca794ca208b86b988a88052dde3db6b8175b25286692c169944d2541f.jpg

    1. Lucky pupils having Katherine Birbalsingh as their Headmistress!

      Hope you can drown the back pain one way or another.

      1. She taught my son French at St Thomas the Apostle in Peckham.
        She used to cut quite an eccentric figure as she’d cycle past the end of our street on her commute with her shock of unruly curls.
        An extraordinary woman. Not great at French, though.

  66. That’s me for this eventful day. The bonfire is chuntering away – will be a small pile of ash in the morning. And – to show my skill in planning – it has just started to drizzle, when all the work is done! I shall treat myself to a beetroot juice – then a glass of something medicinal.

    Have a jolly evening – I’ll be you’ll all be glued to Camilla talking about, er, the Queen and how, er, wonderful she was. For me the standout (as they say far too much these days) is the hideous frock Camiknicks is wearing. You’d ‘a thought with all her money…..

    Be on parade early tomorrow.

    A demain.

    3. Apparently Margaret is the only mod on TCW so they rely more on the Disqus blocking mechanism to weed out unwanted posts.

      All our regular people are able to post links as well.

      1. I’ve suggested several times they recruit more mods but they are strangely resistant to the idea.
        You do it for Robin, don’t you.
        I don’t know how you have the patience with him.
        I’m far too immoderate to be a moderator.

        1. Hardly any moderation needed on Robin’s site. I get rid of the spammers and bots but there have been few of those lately. Otherwise I just let Robin get on with it. Really I want to see what Richard has to say, and Tom and Jack are also knowledgeable. Lately we have seen a lot of Alan Moore, who is very opinionated – Richard thinks he’s TR in disguise. I’m still not sure on that one.

          1. Interesting.
            I don’t think so either. He’s less blinkered than was TR. I think he was autistic.
            Yes I also look at the discussions. I just couldn’t stand the willful ignorance, which persists, it seems.
            Recently Robin said there was no need for masks (or maybe lockdowns) in a fully vaccinated population.
            Impossible even to start on such a strange statement.
            Maybe I’m on the spectrum.

            TCW is also bothered by bots. Would you offer your part time service?

          2. Robin is fully on board with the jabs – thinks they’ve saved us all. I had the first two AZ ones early in 2021, mainly because I had a trip to Kenya booked – it was postponed twice- but I’m definitely not having any more. There has been so much more evidence coming out of adverse effects and sudden deaths. I’ve managed to persuade my OH not to have any more boosters but I’m not sure he believes they are harmful.

            I think all Disqus sites had bot attacks but they seem to have got on top of them now and we haven’t had any for months now. There were other problems, with notifications etc, but they seem to have fixed those now as well.

            TCW has many more followers than either Nottl or the Trollograph, and I don’t think they have “trusted users” or they would allow links to be posted. So I don’t think I’ll offer – i do enjoy most of the articles though.

          3. … but to be honest I’m also a little bothered by Richard’s position on Putin.
            He knows how mad the EU and US are, he understands what had happened and yet he still roots against Russia.
            I just don’t think Putin is mad or monstrous. He was given ample reasonto act as he did. Cold and calculated but acting against those against whom it is his responsibility to act to defend to the nation they are attacking even as they attack their own peoples.
            Richard leaves me a little puzzled in this instance.

      1. No, he is going to ascend to the throne – his minders have assured him that they’ve arranged the result.

    3. Build a wall round them.
      We could call the area … er … um … off the top of my head … a ghetto.

      1. 356167+ up ticks,
        Evening HP

        The whispered message,
        Send reinforcements we are going to advance, snap, it was running through my mind also.

  72. Not my own work – copied from another post, but v v funny.

    Right, everyone. I need to be serious for a moment. Because the greatest thing that ever happened is happening right now.

    I don’t particularly care either way about the Queen. But the queue? The Queue is a triumph of Britishness. It’s incredible.

    Just to be clear: I don’t mean the purpose of the queue. I don’t mean the outpouring of emotion or collective gried or the event at the end and around the queue or the people in the queue. I mean, literally, the queue. The queue itself. It’s like something from Douglas Adams.

    It is the motherlode of queues. It is art. It is poetry. It is the queue to end all queues. It opened earlier today and is already 2.2 miles long. They will close it if it gets to FIVE MILES. That’s a queue that would take TWO HOURS TO WALK at a brisk pace.

    It is a queue that goes right through the entirety of London. It has toilets and water points and websites just for The Queue.

    You cannot leave The Queue. You cannot get into The Queue further down. You cannot hold places in The Queue. There are wristbands for The Queue.

    Once you join The Queue you can expect to be there for days. But you cannot have a chair and a sleeping bag. There is no sleeping in The Queue, for The Queue moves constantly and steadily, day and night. You will be shuffling along at 0.1 miles per hour for days.

    The BBC has live coverage of The Queue on BBC One, and a Red Button service showing the front bit of The Queue.

    NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD JOIN THE QUEUE AND YET STILL THEY COME. “Oh, it’ll only be until 6am on Thursday, we can take soup”.

    And the end of the queue is a box. You will walk past the box, slowly, but for no more than a minute. Then you will exit into the London drizzle and make your way home.

    Tell me this isn’t the greatest bit of British performance art that has ever happened? I’m giddy with joy. It’s fantastic. We are a deeply, deeply mad people with an absolutely unshakeable need to join a queue. It’s utterly glorious.

    By @curiousiguana

    “The queue has visitors going to look at queue. My mum travelled to see the queue.”

    “But surely it can’t all be true?
    How on earth can people stay upright & moving for 30 hrs or even 15 hrs? Surely tons and tons of people will faint, be ill, have hypos, get too tired to continue etc?
    Are there any food stalls?
    I’m worried about them all!”

    “We don’t even know if she is really in the box.”

    “I’m upset you talked about the Queue without sharing links to how we can watch the Queue”

    “What we need to understand is that probably 400,000 will queue & file past the Queen’s coffin but, in 20 years time, 50 million people will claim they did.

    “It happened at Woodstock, at the first Pistol’s gig & Jesus probably fed 500 people.
    It’s the need to become part of history”

    “There you have a movie as British as it could be. You just need ten characters and how they got to the queue.”

    “Of course the peak Britishness will come if the queue gets too long and the have to close it, because we will no doubt start a queue to join the queue”

    “It’s only a matter of time until I can be seen from space.”

    “The International Space Station will be live streaming the queue from space.”

    “Long live the Queue! This is what us Brits have been practicing for all these years.”

    “An Englishman, even if he is alone, forms an orderly queue of one.”

    “Queue-Anon: a 12-step program for those currently lining up to see the Queen who need help leaving the queue.”

    “In the US we frequently call this “getting in line.” I’ve never wanted to be in line so badly as I do right now after reading the thread above.”

    I’ve got to go to bed, Twitter. You have been WONDERFUL. So many funny, clever, nice, kind, lovely people. I’m sorry I can’t talk to you all, it’s just impossible and shows no sign of slowing down.

    God Save The Queue.

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      1. 467167+ up ticks.

        Evening JN,

        “weak politicians” supported once again by a dangerously weak electoral majority.

      1. Go walkabout in Leicester in the streets after dark dear Claudia and after you have been multiply raped and beaten nearly to death i might take you seriously, Go get vibrant.

        1. Don’t be silly, she’s far too old and far too dark to appeal to that particular type of savage.

      1. I am reading a book about the 14th C. The comparisons between then and now are surprising. After the death of a monarch, Edward III, who had reigned for about 50 years and the coronation of a new boy king. People were scrambling trying to sort out what to do as it had been so long since it had happened before.
        Also, many strange phenomena including a comet/meteor and other stuff which freaked people out in those days.
        We have had the two rainbows and a meteor and maybe there will be more.
        I want tomorrow to be peaceful and respectful and I do hope things remain calm.

        1. I hope and pray that it goes without any hitches or protests.
          After all her years of service to the UK and the Commonwealth it is the very least that she deserves.

        2. I’m rather ashamed to say I’d almost like some kind of protest to take place by yer peacefuls. I’d quite like to see them duffed up for a change!

    2. The Beast (the erstwhile visiting cat that isn’t ours but lives with us) treats the giant dogs with utter disdain and makes no bones about who is really in charge in the house.

      He’s barked at the cat once and the ears flickered back and he ran for it. Daft idiot. The cat does quite like laying with the boys though.

  77. Right, after another busy day peeps and two possibly three reasonable generous glasses of van Rouge. I’m popping orff, anything on telly tonight?…..

  78. Boing, Time for bed said Zebedee, Goodnight and God bless, Gentlefolk. Until the morning’s light.

  79. Evening once again, folks. Now back from the Vigil on the Eve of the Funeral for (sic) HM QE2. Beautifully sung Pie Jesu from Faure’s Requiem plus three hymns to which I did not know the words (and for two of them I didn’t know the tune, either). The heating is on, the curtains are drawn and I’m settling down with a Martini and two dogs chomping on their bones. Life doesn’t get a lot better, frankly!

  80. Kate is photographed in the Mail posing with Zelensky’s wife. I deplore this cheap politicisation of the royal family. We aren’t at war with Russia, and the RF shouldn’t be openly taking sides in a foreign conflict.

      1. I like to think that the world leaders meeting at the reception might do something for world peace?
        But probably just kidding myself.

        1. There are few opportunities for so many world leaders to gather together in one place, but the funeral is probably not the best time for a discussion on major topics. Perhaps the coronation?

          1. Still, it must be good if they get together and meet each other personally, even if they don’t discuss anything important.

      2. And if it was a President, as you clearly wish we had who had died, do you really think it would have been the same?

          1. A figurehead President with absolutely zero history or authority?

            I think the monarchy wins every time.

          2. Spain, The Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway – are they more important because they have monarchies?

      3. This is because while the UK is physically a small country, it is the best in the world.

        Only the Left think otherwise, and they’re nasty, bitter hypocritical people.

        1. It’s not British to boast, unlike the Americans, who constantly bang on about the USA is the best country in the world.

      2. And they claim to have invented the teddy bear. I thought it was Theodore Roosevelt who did that.

    5. Apparently Merrythought (the toy bear company from Ironbridge) have run out of Paddington Bears after HM’s death.

    6. According to a reliable source they have been making black bears for some years – presumably in expectation of ER II dying. I guess all they had to do was to sew on the ‘2022’.

      1. Taking Monarchies, Presidencies, and all of those “greats and goods”, I wonder how many don’t come from a royal or political or oligarchic dynasty?
        Not many I suspect.
        Closed shops of the first water.

    2. Apologies for the silly question but… if a body is lying in a coffin for 4 days in th eopen, with no refrigerant wouldn’t it start to whiff a bit?

  85. Goodnight, folks. I’m going to put my feet up and do other things than nottl until I go to bed. Sweet dreams.

    1. When I went to my grammar school in Sarf Lundon, in 1964 a good many of the teachers had served in the armed forces during WWII. It was not surprising therefore that the school was able to field a Combined Cadet Force of most of the boys in years 4,5 and 6th (lower and upper). When I left in 1971 only the RAF section remained. It appears to me the rot started in the early 1970s.

      1. Yes, Wilson was very hostile to cadet forces.

        Come to that, he was hostile to all armed forces and never missed an opportunity to do them down.

    2. When I went to my grammar school in Sarf Lundon, in 1964 a good many of the teachers had served in the armed forces during WWII. It was not surprising therefore that the school was able to field a Combined Cadet Force of most of the boys in years 4,5 and 6th (lower and upper). When I left in 1971 only the RAF section remained. It appears to me the rot started in the early 1970s.

    1. Bliss!

      Earlier this afternoon I had to go and buy a final packet of grass seed for the last three square yards of lawn seed bed. Had Act 2 of Tosca on, not quite full volume, on the car’s MMI system…

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