691 thoughts on “Sunday 20 October: Voters have had enough of MPs’ relentless obstruction of Brexit”

  1. Good morning.
    Three letters to the EU.
    It’s now down to seeing whether the EU will take the side of Parliament or the Government.

  3. The next Speaker must restore some respect to this disgraced Parliament. DAME ELEANOR LAING. 20 OCTOBER 2019.

    Trust in our democracy has been badly rattled. Parliament and the country are at breaking point over Brexit, in large part due to the perception that our tried and tested constitutional traditions are being manipulated to load the dice in one particular direction. Let’s be honest about it: the health of our democracy is now at risk. The election of a new Speaker is a chance for MPs to work together to restore that broken trust and to plan a future where we do things rather differently.

    Morning everyone. Well Missis you are come a little late to the party. This Democracy is no more. It has ceased to be! It’s expired and gone to meet its maker! It’s a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you didn’t pay the members it would be pushing up the daisies! Its metabolic processes are now history! It’s off the twig! It’s kicked the bucket; it’s shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin’ choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-DEMOCRACY!

    (With apologies to Monty Python.)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/20/next-speaker-must-restore-respect-disgraced-parliament/

    1. With the current state of play can anyone be sure that Bercow will actually go or will he change his mind again. He has usurped the constitution and has more power than he ever imagined he would garner: that level of power is a heady cocktail for someone of Bercow’s disposition.

      1. Morning Korky. It is difficult to overstate the dire straits we are now in. Government, as the author Barbara Tuchman, pointed out in her book the March of Folly cannot function without respect. How that respect is engendered is to some extent irrelevant since without it there is no Government. That is the situation we are now approaching! There is a Prime Minister without Power and a legislature that has no credibility. These are the signs at the beginnings of all revolutions!

        1. They will be known for evermore, as “The Contemptible Parliament”, as they only have contempt for the Electorate that put them in place, only for them to then ignore their masters and treat them with contempt.

        2. We need a revolution, a bloodless one that cleanses both the HoC and HoL of the stench of EU corruption that has permeated those places. Farage’s call, “To change politics for good,” rings true and he needs to keep his party pushing the message that the current “deal” really isn’t Brexit and that the current hero, Johnson, still has the whiff of being a fraud hanging about him.

  4. Opening and closing paragraphs of a scathing appraisal of the drones sitting in the HoC. These people have an inflated opinion of their position and authority and apparently do not realise just how unimportant they are in the overall scheme of things.

    Members of Parliament do not know their place in the EU food chain. It pains me to point this out, but they are the bottom feeders. The halibuts of European democracy. The flounders…

    …Brexit provides an opportunity to genuinely take back control. But for clueless MPs railing against the prorogation from their twelve star comfort blankets, or pan-Europeanists rooted in Brussels’ anonymous corporate collectivism, perhaps that is precisely what they fear.

    Brexit Central – MPs Irrelevance to EU Law Making

    1. To be a supporter of the EU, while knowing full well where it is going, shows a massive lack of character and concern for others. They do not want to work for a living or to ever feel sweat on their brow.

      To take large amounts of money just to wave through harmful legislation and treaties, knowing that it will hurt your people, is almost the definition of being a traitor.

          1. If we had voted to come out in 1975, I suspect we would still be in this position today.

      2. MM, I have often pondered what drives these people who claim to be democrats, seek election to the HoC and then turn their backs on the people. Have any of these people ever revealed their true direction of travel to their constituents? Their raison d’être appears to be to sell the Country into servitude of a foreign power: the very essence of being a traitor.

        1. Tony Blair is the shining example. He betrayed our country and wrecked his own party just so that he could move on to the “serious” part of his career. I’ve lost count of how many millions he has been paid and how many houses he now has since he left office.

          They still keep wheeling him back to tell us how we should live our lives, even though the vast majority see every word out of his mouth as poison.

        2. Morning KK

          Funny how childhood memories stick and form opinions for later on in life .. friends one makes in childhood , and hearing other children’s stories .. their memories of lost relatives .. how could the whole of Europe collaborate together , whether out of fear or just for survival , but to aid and abet the mass extinction of a race of people .

          To me there is something rotten in the blood of the EU national psyche .. as there is in other nationalities and cultures that I have a dim view of.

          Now , even our own political representatives cannot be trusted .. and Letwin and Bercow especially have shocked me by confirming their wet cavilling bullying stance.

      3. ‘Morning, Meredith, “…almost the definition of being a traitor.”

        ‘Tis TREASON, writ large.

        1. As I posted to Jewish Kuffer last evening:

          ‘Evening, JK, Yes, we certainly need a General Election to get rid of The Contemptible Parliament.

          A new Parliament with a Conservative/Brexit Party Coalition must first reduce the size of The Commons to three to four hundred – no more – and reform the Lords to comprise only the hereditaries and the Law Lords. The Supreme Court is disbanded.

          On the next day, they remove the assemblies and the Wee Pretendy Parliament and bring Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland back under the responsibility of the relevant Secretary of State.

          After those are sorted and the European Communites Act 1972 has been repealed and the treason Act renewed, retrospectively, we can bundle all the traitorous MPs off to the Tower to await trial and summary execution.

          1. What you describe is a long and most certainly a hard-fought journey, NtN. I doubt if a new Parliament could reduce the size of both Houses of Parliament and disband the Supreme Court in a single day and tackle the many issues you list “on the next day”. Furthermore, you have neglected to mention the problem of Islam and some of its fanatic adherents. But to renew The Treason Act retrospectively, like any retrospective legislation, is a recipe for disaster. How could we then carry out any day-to-day legal activities fearful of them being declared illegal at a future date?

          2. ‘Morning, Elsie,
            Islam may be sorted out in the second week, when we close all the Mosques until the Middle Eastern Super States (MESS) agree to build a Christian Church for each Mosque allowed to re-open.

            We shall also remove all the Bennies for immigrants (illegal or otherwise) close the Madrassas (legal or otherwise) and outlaw Sharia.

          4. Try hard enough, Elsie and you’ll succeed.

            Especially if you declare yourself a dictator as the opposition laughingly call you.

  6. Morning all

    SIR – Yet again our Remain-loving MPs have voted for a Brexit delay, with the ultimate aim of overturning the democratic referendum result.

    I take comfort from the fact that, when voters finally have the chance to take part in a general election, those MPs will be unable to do anything about the result.

    Alan White
    Ham Green, Worcestershire

    SIR – I voted to leave the EU in order to get our democracy back. However, it now appears that we do not have it here either.

    Richard Post
    Stony Stratford, Buckinghamshire

    1. SIR – The behaviour of Sir Oliver Letwin and those MPs who voted for his amendment has given the lie to their claim that they only want to avoid a no-deal Brexit.

      The opportunity to respect the referendum result and leave in an orderly manner – which business and the public are crying out for – was right there in front of them. Instead, they hope to destroy Brexit by a thousand cuts. If they succeed, people will never trust their elected representatives again.

      Alison Levinson
      Hastings, East Sussex

      SIR – Who do Sir Oliver and his and his cohorts think they are? What arrogance. People are sick of seeing the can being kicked down the road.

      As the World Bank has said, it is uncertainty that his harming Britain – not Brexit itself. Please: either give us an election or pass this wretched deal.

      William Burgess
      Chariman, Produce World Group Ltd
      Peterborough

    2. Morning, epidermoid.
      Wanna a bet?
      Think back four years. We may have viewed our politicos with a healthy contempt and realised they wouldn’t give in easily, but I doubt even the most imaginative of us visualised the appalling behaviour we’ve witnessed since June 2016.

  7. Morning again

    SIR – Smart motorways are anything but for motorists involved in a collision on them.

    Recently a lorry ran into my car on the M25. I moved into the near side lane, as did the lorry, so we could exchange details. But this was a live lane of traffic. A passing patrol car advised that we move to a lay-by further on, and luckily we were able to do so. Others have not been so fortunate and fatalities have occurred. This is tragic – and avoidable. Drivers stranded in a live lane after an accident are dependent on the vigilance of those watching the motorways, who can close down the lane.

    Presumably the purpose of smart motorways without hard shoulders is to increase the number of available lanes and to speed up traffic – but the level of risk to motorists is too high. It’s time to shut this idea down.

    Anne Crook
    Woodford Green, Essex

    1. Anne Crook, you stopped to exchange details in a live motorway lane when you and the other party had driveable vehicles? I know that dumb motorways are just that, but there’s no need to add to them! Suggest you look up the guidance for the use of the layby. Sheesh….

      ‘Morning, Epi.

  8. Crime in Britain’s most affluent areas soaring at faster rate than anywhere else in UK, Telegraph analysis reveals. 19 OCTOBER 2019.

    Crime in Britain’s most affluent areas is soaring at a faster rate than anywhere else in the country, a Telegraph analysis of official data has revealed.
    Robbery, theft and drug offences in the wealthiest districts of England and Wales are outstripping the national average by up to four times, as criminal gangs deliberately target rural and suburban communities.

    It’s not just the affluent is it? The whole Criminal Justice system along with its support arms the Police and Courts are dissolving before our eyes and the Criminal element can see it. Buy yourself a stab proof vest, get some extra bolts on the doors and stock up the larder. Bad things are coming!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/19/crime-britains-affluent-areas-soaring-faster-rate-anywhere-else/

        2. That is the real danger of the current situation.
          The desire for a “Man of Destiny or Man of Steel” becomes overwhelming, as people want stability in their lives.
          The uncertainties of freedom take a back seat.

          2. ‘Morning, Anne, I’d volunteer but at 75 with a buggered heart and lungs, barely able to walk 70 paces, I’d get out of breath too quickly and have to sit down.

            My post to Jewish Kuffir as re-posted to Meredith, outlines my first three days in Office, to rid us of the taint of this ‘Contemptible Parliament.’

    2. Yo Minty

      Let us start by examaning MP’s Bank Accounts and prosecute themfor expenses fraud

  9. The DT SillySubbies persist in their rubbish

    Wales team news

    Warren Gatland has had to juggle things slightly due to the late drop-out of
    centre Jonathan Davies, with Owen Watkin taking the 13 jersey and Leigh
    Halfpenny slotting onto the bench. Otherwise, it’s as you were for
    Wales, will Aaron Wainwright preferred to Ross Moriarty at flanker, and
    Jake Ball picked to partner the inspirational Alun Wyn Jones at lock.

    Ther was me thinking that ‘LOCK’ was Number 8, who had his head snuggled between the backsides of the
    Second Row where AWJ has always played

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-world-cup/2019/10/20/wales-vs-france-rugby-world-cup-2019-live-score-latest-quarter/

  11. Good morning dear thinkers .

    It was the stariest of nights last night when I walked in the garden with my dogs for last minute tinklings! The stars twinkled beautifully , my bit of sky was not polluted by artificial light , the night air temp felt very cold .

    What on earth is happening here in Britain .. Our government has lost all integrity and nobleness. Our politicians are out of order , and the pudgy fingered simian faced speaker is so controlling and powercrazy .. Is there no one strong enough to challenge him.

    Letwin is an absolute disgrace to Dorset and Democracy .. what an absolute wet!

    Don’t you think we are on the verge of real civil unrest . People are getting bolder , and the police are impotent. I hear that the police are after the brave crowd who tried to stop the Extinction rebels interrupting the tube trains .. unbelievable ..

    I feel so shocked to think that the referendum could have created so much strife , were we all so naive to believe that things would run smoothly?

    1. Morning TB,
      From the 25/6/2016 this UKIP member never did and the
      may confirmed his feelings.
      Gerard Batten in 2014 was warning of what would happen and cannot be faulted on his predictions.
      “Road to freedom”

    2. There are immensely powerful forces working behind the scenes to ensure that Brexit does not occur Belle!

    3. It isn’t the referendum which created the strife; it is a) the remainers’ arrogance in thinking they would win it so they have failed to accept that they didn’t and b) Cameron committing his lies to paper so everybody can compare what was promised with what has transpired.

  12. Morning Each,
    I can still hear the echo, victory is ours, leave it to the tories, no further need of UKIP, and this after a sample of what was to come from the cameron ( the wretch) / may combo.
    Since the political knife went into Margaret Thatcher’s back the party has always come before the country, en route, and used ,as a stepping stone
    to putting the eu before the UK.
    To be blunt about it ALL the current in-house politico want the same as
    mandy & co are receiving, treachery pays handsomely.

      1. I’m not sure; I didn’t hear the first part of the item. Could have been anyone from the Illiberals – they are not exactly short of whining traitors.

    2. These people suffer from a particular cognitive dissonance. They think that as parliament makes the decision, and parliament elected, therefore parliament decision is democratic.

      They ignore, of course, that parliament gets it’s power from the public it serves and who hire it.

      Thus parliament is not, and never sovereign. Yes, hard core nutcase Lefties waffle on that ‘isn’t that what Leaver swanted? Parliament making the decisions?’ – but of course, they deliberately (because it suits them) ignore the truth: that parliament is the servant, the instrument, not the master. We tell it what we want and it does it. That is democracy – but the Left don’t want that, they want government telling the people what they’ll take – and ideally ensuring that it only ever hears their loud, sstrident, arrogant voice.

    3. “It’s against the will of Parliament” – which itself is completely against the clearly expressed will of the people. We’ve sussed out you don’t represent us so there’s no putting the genie back in the bottle.

    2. Good morning, Peddy. I see that the obnoxious troll is at it again, downvoting a simple greeting. Perhaps he/she/it doesn’t like being wished a good morning. Well, I hope then that his preference is granted and that he/she/it has a most miserable day!

      1. I think he’s prolly (© Biull) missing his mistress (whoops, there I go again! 😉 )

        I just think of him as a silly little pudenda.

    3. As I told the manager of a certain shop recently….”I’ve been thrown out of better places than this ……….Humph!”

    4. ‘Morning, BoB, why people continue to use this risible example of Orwell’s NewSpeak confounds me.

      I’m sure that ere long I shall be chucked off Ar$eBook for similar comments but, hey, that’s the 1984 world we now live in.

  17. The solution to the NI land border issue is to get a trade deal with the EU but we cannot get that until we agree the WA

      1. No deal does not solve the NI problem and even with NO deal you need a deal aa you have to agree tariffs that you will apply under WTO and those tariffs have to be agreed

        1. The only way to work this is to expose the massive web of conspiracy.

          It’s no good until the whole rotten story is out in the open.

        2. The NI “problem” is of the EU’s making. We don’t need to set up a border; if the EU wants it, the EU can do it. We can use Article XXIII of GATT for up to two years. Next!

    2. Bill, we’re never going to get a decent FTA with the EU: they will demand concessions and controls that any well ordered country would never agree to. Sadly, at the moment we are not a well ordered country and our political class will cave in and destroy our last freedoms, forever. The new agreement gives the UK the option to walk away without an FTA but can you see any politician in authority in the UK walking away? The only way to be free is, as any slave knows, to cast off the chains.

  18. Sounds good to me. And I don’t even like a full English breakfast as it sits heavy for the rest of the day.
    And he is right about Patisserie Valerie. I would advise investors in catering chains to take heed of the ‘Colchester’ factor: once a company opens an eatery in places with the size and social profile of Colchester, it is time to withdraw your money. It’s a sign that they are expanding too far and too fast.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/in-depth/breakfast-britains-grumpiest-cafe-zero-tolerance-vegans-allergies/

    “Breakfast at Britain’s grumpiest cafe: with zero tolerance for vegans, allergies or gluten-free fads

    Clive Cobb is the formidable owner of the Rousdon Village Bakery in Rousdon
    No substitutions. No side orders. No seasoning. No vegan. And don’t ask for the music to be turned down. These are some of the rules listed outside the Rousdon Village Bakery near Lyme Regis in Dorset, along with the following allergy information: “we only cook in butter; our muesli contains lots of nuts; we produce bread with gluten”.

    If you’re happy to go along with this, you will enjoy good coffee and lovingly prepared food; if you disobey and ask for an extra sausage, you might as well show yourself out. “If you want to design your own food, do it at home,” grumbles Clive Cobb, the owner and head chef of what is surely Britain’s strictest restaurant.

    With so little flexibility, it’s hardly surprising that Tripadvisor contains some pretty damning reviews. Cobb has been described as “obnoxious”, “discriminatory” and “VERY rude”.

    “Too mad for words,” writes one disgruntled visitor; “DO NOT go here,” warns another. I first heard about the bakery a few months ago when a friend complained that he’d received a flat “no” when asking for his eggs scrambled rather than fried. “It’s just not what you expect at a restaurant,” he said.

    Yet Cobb has set out to do the unexpected. His aim at Rousdon Village Bakery is to build a profitable brand by stepping away from the culture of entitlement that has become so ingrained in Britain. “In the Fifties and Sixties, you didn’t expect restaurants to cater for your foibles but now it’s gone too far the other way and it lowers standards,” he says, straightening his apron.

    His zero tolerance policy towards allergies and veganism appears harsh in a world where we all tamper with menus, but it allows Cobb to run a profitable business using local suppliers with as little waste as possible. “It’s as if entitlement is a rule,” he sighs. “When I say that I don’t do vegan they want to report me. But I don’t go into a vegan restaurant and ask what the meat option is.”

    When I visit at 9am on a Sunday, it’s clear that Cobb’s refusal to bow to the whims and fancies of his customers isn’t losing him business. The eight tables are packed with people enjoying milkshakes and his version of the egg McMuffin, served with his overnight roasted pesto tomatoes. “McDonald’s can’t cook runny eggs; I can,” he explains.

    His regulars don’t seem to mind that they have to order their coffee at the machine, their food at the kitchen and help themselves to cutlery. They don’t ask Cobb to change his creations; he’s a local legend as far as they’re concerned. According to the bakery’s contactless payment system, almost 75 per cent of his customers are return visitors.

    “A real breath of fresh air”, gushes one Facebook fan, “what you see is what you get, and I love that”, writes another. Even my friend has embraced the rules and now rushes through the doors first thing, before Cobb’s freshly baked sourdough sells out. By 2pm, when he closes up, he will have cooked around 100 breakfasts. “We’re busy, which is confirmation that we’re doing the right thing,” he says.

    For 40 years, he worked in advertising in London; as creative director at Saatchi & Saatchi and then running his own agency handling brands such as Coca Cola. “Soho was where you networked – for me Kettner’s, Bar Italia and Gerry’s Club were the equivalent of the internet,” he recalls. But he watched in dismay as chain restaurants arrived in the area: “London was full of little villages but the whole place was losing its individuality,” he says. “Everything was becoming the same.”

    Cobb’s plan hadn’t been to throw himself into the West country restaurant scene. He wanted to retire and live a quiet life by the sea. But a few months after moving to Lyme Regis, his pension fund went bust and he had to think again. He set up an art gallery with his wife, Lucy, which failed, and then they took the lease on a spider-filled conservatory overlooking the sea, and set up a fish restaurant.

    “We put tablecloths on the tables, long stem glasses, candles and the view was brilliant,” he says. “I’d go and meet the boats at the harbour at 6am and we’d serve a five-course menu for £30. When people said, ‘my boyfriend doesn’t like fish…’ I’d say, ‘get a new boyfriend, we’re a fish restaurant’.”

    For four summer seasons the restaurant was stuffed to the gills, then the site was redeveloped and subsequently bought by chef Mark Hix, who turned it into Hix Oyster & Fish House. Cobb, bitten by the catering bug, opened a bakery, the Town Mill, which brought artisan bread and good coffee to Lyme Regis but he “messed up by growing too large”.

    He sold up and turned his attention to transforming the redundant petrol station opposite his home in Rousdon into a community hub, run on the same principals as the fish restaurant. “It’s called village economics; small is beautiful,” he says. “I wanted there to be a culture of ‘enoughness’: my local suppliers only have a certain amount of produce, I only have a certain number of tables.”

    The interior personifies this mantra: dark painted walls, sparse menus, open plan kitchen, farmhouse-style tables with bench seating. Coffee is served in locally made earthenware, food on wooden boards. “Everything here is for a reason; the pictures aren’t hung just to fill up space, they’re of locals,” Cobb says. “The best brands are a spiritual experience, and that’s what I want this to be.”

    His suppliers are trendy regional farmers: salad is from Trill Farm, owned by Romy Fraser, founder of Neal’s Yard Remedies; eggs are from Haye Farm, which belongs to Harry Boglione, whose parents own Petersham Nurseries in Richmond. “Harry, his wife Emily and their kids come here every weekend,” Cobb says. He’s not sanctimonious about everything being organic and homegrown, though; the fishfingers, he admits, are Birds Eye and his brioche is from Tesco, as “it’s better than we can make it”.

    If other small businesses would only stop trying to cater to everyone, they could become more profitable, he says. He doesn’t care that he runs out of bread every day and that there’s aren’t always enough tables or car-parking spaces. Chaos works, he insists; you only have to look at the demise of chain restaurants to know that consistency is not the solution.

    “Look at Patisserie Valerie; it used to be a tiny place on Old Compton Street in Soho; you didn’t know who was sitting down, who was buying a cake – it was a mess, but it was filled with excitement.” His staff are part of the brand, he says, and understand why they must enforce certain rules. “It’s like a theatre; I cast them in roles and I don’t pay them minimum wage. I want this to be an important part of their career.”

    Cobb is turning 73 next year and he’s still hard at work in the kitchen six mornings a week. He’s writing a book about village economics and opening an outdoor rotisserie in the former garage forecourt, for takeaway roast dinners. He also has his eye on a pub in Lyme Regis.

    For all his gruffness, Cobb has a soft side. He tries to ignore the negative reviews on TripAdvisor but he admits that they do trouble him. “Like everyone, I want to be loved and some people don’t love me,” he says.

    The economics of running a small business dictate, however, that he needs to keep up with his rules – and keep those who are challenged by them away.

    “New people are a problem to me,” he says. “I really don’t want any more customers.”

      1. MB has suggested that Blighty should be run by women.
        He gave as an example the heaven on earth that would be a country run by Annes.
        I pointed out that the women at the top were the likes of Swansong, Soubry and Thornberry who were as deluded and nasty as any of their male counterparts.
        Collapse of tall slender party.

        1. He might have considered – very, very briefly – New Zealand. One look at the woebegone Prime Ministerine would have put him straight.

          2. The Annes I knew at school were always good at everything .. usually solidly reliable .. There were lots of Annes in my year, Ruths , Janets, Frances(my sister’s name ) Elspeths, Diane etc , so many names seem to have gone out of fashion

          3. Apparently, in eras when a country is considered to be under threat, parent revert to traditional names for their babies.
            The Kayleighs and Taylors are produced in fat years.

  19. ‘Morning All
    Maybe inspiration will spark later today but for the moment I have nothing useful to add to the Brexit froth and speculation and my views on cycling trannies and Ecoloons have long since gone past the point of publishability(is that a word?)
    Later All

  20. Letwin on Marr

    Marr introduced him as being victorious over the PM?

    Letwin has the air of a man who has vested interests with fingers in many pies.

  21. One load of split peas soaked overnight, rinsed and in the pan with one large chopped onion, a large slack handful of ham pieces chopped into half in or so chunks and put on the Rayburn hotplate at low setting.
    Should be ready for tonight when the DT comes home from work.
    Will also do for tomorrow when the SaH gets back from his trip to his Grandmother’s.

    As DT has just motored off to work, I’ll get the broom out and sweep the front of the house.

    I’m trying to ignore the news at the moment otherwise I’ll be erupting.

      1. Sweeping done & drying up put away whilst making the mug of tea i’m currently sat enjoying whilst listening to Nigel Farage on LBC.
        Next jobs? Hang washing up & sort fires out.

        Have added a generous glass of some Rhubarb & Damson wine to the pea & ham. It’s from a bottle I won in a raffle ages ago and it’s about time it got used up.
        The peas in the soup are quite nicely breaking up. I’ll probably take it off the heat in a couple of hours.

    2. Leek and potato soup is delicious , chicken stock and all the little scraps of chicken .. is food for the soul .. delicious..

      Morning Bob .

    3. I remember in the 1970s having thick ham and pea soup prepared by the German army in a large mobile vat on a trailer attached to a truck. It was very good. And that was pre-EU…

      2. But … but …. I thought until the EU, we were confined to our rainy little island.
        Are you telling me we could actually travel to yer France and Germany?

        1. Good God, I drove a Morris Minor all the way to Korcula & back in ’70. My father thought I was reckless when I told him my plans.

          1. So you are saying, Peddy (good morning, btw) (© Cathy Newman) that you are a Morris Minor Traveller? In that case, I claim my five bob postal order.

            :-))

          2. I had a saloon, Elsie, but I wooden’ mind a traveller version today (in perfect condition, of course).

          3. I drove a clapped out Mini to Vienna and back in 1970. We had a little problem with the dynamo coming back over the Arlberg Pass, but with AA 5* insurance and a dictionary I managed to get it sorted in a local garage.

          4. I came home via Vienna in Sept. ’70. Up through the centre of Yugoland, crossed into Austria & made an overnight stop in Graz, where i was offered a job as interpreter. Didn’t take it.

  22. They have had 44 months to discuss things .. to scrutinise the detail and principals of Brexit.

    They have been too idle nit picking and have left things until the last minute .. Labour in particular.

    1. Labour have said that a sovereign UK cannot
      protect workers rights without being guided by EU laws
      of which can be trusted. I think they have officially
      come out and admitted that the Queens opposition is a
      remain party. Jeremy Corbyn himself rejected the deal
      45 minutes before he even read the details of the deal.
      Anything that removes us from the totalitarian dictatorship
      is wrong in the eyes of the Marxist loving Hamas supporting
      leader of the hard left opposition who truly hates the UK.

        2. If there were better transport links between NI and the mainland, immigrants would soon dominate the narcotics trade and all indigenous organised criminals would be wiped out.

      2. Total bollards.
        The French kept Devil’s Island open until 1947.
        Also, read Germinal and The Drunkard by Zola and compare the conditions with Britain in the same era.

        1. Sweden joined the EU in 1995.
          Why do leftists always bang on about human rights when they themselves are often the worst offenders?
          Why do people believe that the robocrats in Brussels GAF about anything but their own privileges?

          Wiki:

          “Compulsory sterilisation in Sweden were sterilisations which were carried out in Sweden, without a valid consent of the subject, during the years 1906–1975 on eugenic, medical and social grounds. Between 1972 and 2012, sterilisation was also a condition for sex change.”

          2012. Seventeen years after accession, and then the law was only changed by the Swedish supreme court, not by politicians.

    2. Good morning, Maggie.

      Remainiacs have NEVER had the slightest interest in the detail of any deal (or no deal).

      They have always wanted IN – and bugger the 17.4 million.

      Edited – to remove deliberate error of the morning!

        1. Now look here, Joseph B. Fox! It’s bad enough Uncle Bill addressing Elsie as “Harry” without you addressing Bill as “Shirley”!!!

          :-))

  23. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7592335/MAIL-SUNDAY-COMMENT-Brexit-isnt-game-politicians-arent-college-debating-society.html

    “MAIL ON SUNDAY COMMENT: Brexit isn’t a game and politicians aren’t in a college debating society

    We cannot stand much more of this. The national blood pressure has reached danger point. Can our political class really not grasp that they are no longer free to behave as if they were playing teenage games in a college debating society?

    Each repeated failure by Parliament to agree on an orderly exit from the EU puts more strain on our constitution. Faith in the House of Commons as a place of wisdom, experience and responsibility, already weakening, has almost entirely gone.

    Nor will it quickly recover. As the Prime Minister so rightly said during yesterday’s debate, the behaviour of MPs is corroding the public’s trust. Much more of this, and our whole tradition of parliamentary politics may be in danger. There is a feverish, short-tempered mood abroad in the country and it would be unwise for anyone to ignore it.

    Here are some simple points for anyone in Parliament who still thinks the public will stand endlessly for this sort of behaviour. All peaceful political struggles, at home and abroad, end in compromise, which means giving up things you really want, and accepting things you really hate, for the sake of a lasting, workable bargain.

    It is never especially pretty. The great German statesman Otto von Bismarck advised the over-sensitive that if they enjoyed sausages or politics, they should not watch either being made.

    So it is really no use at all for MPs from any part of the spectrum to get up and say that there are areas of Boris Johnson’s EU deal they do not like.

    Of course there are. Nobody likes everything in it. Boris Johnson, we may reasonably guess, does not like a lot of it himself. Nor do the EU leaders who conceded it. Many people loathe large chunks of it. Some people, especially those who want to stay in the EU, do not like anything in it at all.

    But Britain is not a mighty superpower and it has not forced Brussels into unconditional surrender. This is what we could get, and neither charm, nor pressure, nor ingenuity is going to make much difference now.

    And then there is the other important point. We are all sick of the subject. The Prime Minister, in an effective, thoughtful and magnanimous speech, correctly pointed out that on this one thing the British people and the bureaucrats of Brussels are unusually agreed. They want it to be over.

    Both he and Michael Gove visibly grew in political stature during their Parliamentary performances yesterday, not least because they both spoke for the whole nation.

    Both men, whatever their differences in the past and whatever their failings, now understand very well the heavy burden of responsibility which they have taken on, the ancient weight of kingship which either breaks those who cannot bear it, or swiftly matures them from callow careerists into proper statesmen.

    Theresa May also distinguished herself. Her contribution had plenty of wisdom, modesty and good humour. But it also displayed a hardened realist’s scorn for the irresponsible folly of people such as Sir Oliver Letwin, and the little self-important clique – as usual including the skulking figure of Philip Hammond – which sustained him.

    Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, by contrast, shrank in stature as he delivered a leaden coffin of a speech which showed no sign of his own lifelong passion for British independence from the EU.

    It also cannot have pleased the Europhiles who surround him on his front bench and crowd behind him on the Opposition back benches too. It would be flattering to say that he was going through the motions, given that his performance was so lifeless. But what else could he do? His party’s position is incoherent and dishonest.

    Having been elected in 2017 on a pledge to deliver Brexit, Labour MPs cannot now honourably seek to avoid it when a practicable deal is agreed.

    Yet so far, only a few Labour members have shown themselves willing to do what the voters have asked them to do.

    Just as the Tories who have obstructed Mr Johnson’s agreement deserve severe criticism, the Labour backers of the deal deserve praise. They are not, as their critics claim, betraying their party and its principles. On the contrary, they are speaking for a very large part of Labour’s historic supporters.

    The pro-deal Labour MP Caroline Flint offered a withering dismissal of the Letwin faction, saying their motion was no more than a panic measure, not the supposedly responsible action they claimed. And she gave an equally pithy summary of the supporters of the Benn Act – which bans a No Deal departure – saying their aim was in fact to delay Brexit and stop it.

    Absurdly, there are still people in positions of influence who even now hope to prevent us from leaving the EU. Can they not see that such a defiance of democratic will is not just playing with fire? It is playing with plutonium.

    The same can be said for the Democratic Unionist Party, whose behaviour yesterday was shocking and extremely foolish. Everyone grasps that they must stand up for those in the Province who wish to remain British. But that is not a licence for intransigence.

    There are already many important differences between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK, mainly designed to make it easier for the region to stay in that union. The special status negotiated by the Prime Minister is another such difference. Does the DUP think it would get a better deal from Corbynite Labour or a pro-Dublin EU?

    The seething public desire to get the deal done is not mere impatience (though it is justified). It is not simply exasperation (though there is plenty of that). It shows that practically everyone outside Westminster understands what the fools who sabotaged a decision yesterday seemingly cannot absorb. There is nothing else to be won.

    Mr Johnson, to the surprise of many, got the EU to shift significantly, and shifted significantly in return, as so often happens in the last few hours of negotiation.

    He can see – as others apparently cannot – that even the EU leadership is not interested in dragging the process out for another few months.

    If it is sensible, Brussels will not play the Remainers’ game by granting us yet more time to waste. For the pointless squabbling and petty delaying tactics will expand and extend to fill any and all of the time allowed for it.

    The time for pettifogging, nit-picking and self-important complaining was over long ago. There is a little room left for Parliament to recover its dignity and responsibility.

    For its own sake and for the sake of the country, let us hope the foolishness now ends, and that we can proceed to a deal by October 31.”

    2. Experience wisdom and responsibility? Who are they kidding?

      Mps are fools. utter, stupid, gormless fools. Yes, they’ve a certain low cunning and no doubt are bright enough, but they are arrogant, egotistical, venal, spiteful, self interested, self important, petty, greedy, detached, corrupt cowards.

      Some – it must be said, are not. These are the exceptions. Sadly, they are also the ones who don’t rise to lead.

          1. {:¬))

            Actually, I thought it had been knocked back by a French player and intercepted by the scorer.

    2. Yo P-T

      They have.

      Good job they did not clean their teeth thi smorning, they got through be the skin on them

  26. Michael Gove has said we are certainly leaving on the 31/ 10 / 19
    regardless of asking for an extension, we are leaving on the
    31/ 10/ 19 .

    There isn’t any legal reason why we cannot after
    we abided by the law by producing a deal and taking it to parliament,
    those in Parliament used that deal to try and achieve their undemocratic
    wish to stop Brèxit in its entirety. Gloves of now and we are leaving,
    someone must obey a legitimate order from the electorate to leave the EU.

    1. Gove needs to STFU.
      It’s partly thanks to him that we are in this state.
      Like Letwind, he is too clever by half.

      1. I thought that. If it wasn’t for his Brutus moment
        then Boris Johnson might’ve been PM three
        years ago and we’d been out by now or at least
        not been blessed by Theresa Mayhem and her
        Miss Haversham fetish .

  27. Something musical for Sunday Morning and to lighten your Good morrow.

    THE BA DUET
    These two ladies work for British Airways and did this at a BA party in a hotel in England
    At first it appears that they are just miming – but they were genuinely singing!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp_hzrB_FI4
    Enjoy!

      1. The laydees apparently find that attractive. Therefore, there must be hope for us all.😎

        2. Men generally seek for good looks in women, Korky. (I am the exception, they seek me for my crumbles.) Women, however, are more interested in intelligence and a good sense of humour. (I am the exception, I am more interested in the size of their bank accounts.)

          1. I consider you and all Nottlers of the female side as LADIES. Laydees are a different type of female.😇😇

          2. Well………OK! :o)

            Edit: P.S. Thank you for your positive opinion of the women here on NoTTL.

      2. I gather Bernard Levin wasn’t exactly handsome.
        But he never lacked female companions.
        I dislike generalisations, but I do think women look for something more than an attractive casing.

          4. Yes but there cannot be many men who find Amber Rudd and many of her female associates in politics desirable.

            Indeed a poster carrying a picture of Anna Soubry in mid snarl could well be used by the Roman Catholic Church to show the advantages of a life of total celibacy when they are looking to recruit young men to join the priesthood.

      4. He is dressed up more appropriately now but he will never look elegant because of his bulk. His left knee is interesting. It looks like a face but I don’t know who it resembles.

        1. I suppose it goes to show that even the most physically repulsive men can attract the sexual attention of women.

          I would have thought that a man who looks like Boris would be compelled to lead a totally celibate life but I must be wrong.

          1. As PlumTart said. Some women will be attracted by wit and intelligence.

            Power and influence is also an aphrodisiac.

  31. There is a Peruvian owl that is in league with all other owls in the local park. They’re Inca hoots.

  32. Milton Keynes stabbing: Two teenagers, 17, killed in knife attack

    Two 17-year-old boys have died after a stabbing in Milton Keynes.

    Emergency services rushed to the scene in Emerson Valley, Milton Keynes, just before midnight following reports of a knife attack.
    One of the victims died at the scene, the other was taken to hospital with serious injuries but died later.

    Two men were also injured in the incident in Archford Croft and are in hospital with serious but not life-threatening injuries, Thames Valley Police confirmed.

    3. Bill,

      Why do we want to know, and what on earth does one do about it .. nastiness is happening everywhere ..

      Violence seems to be a way of life .. TV and Cinema glorifies it..

      This poor old country of ours is losing it’s grip..

      List the things you miss that made you happy that you haven’t seen for about 20 years or more , and would like to see again.. Go on , dare you.

  33. The remainers have turned out to be evil people. They will be stopped sooner or later. If you are a remainer and support what is going on you are evil.

    1. Morning JN,
      I am also considered to be evil, a racist, a fruit cake, far right knuckle dragging tattooed drunk, and that is by so called hierarchy brexiteers.
      In reality I am a long term UKIP member & activist belonging to the only credible political party who hands are not sullied by treachery appertaining to
      England / GB, far from it.

        1. Afternoon N,
          Seemingly the NEC is against any of the Batten brigade inclusive of Richard Braine .
          Check out Kipper central & the Gerard Batten post “we must
          defeat the NEC ” pretty well explains the ongoing issue.
          To start with how can they, the NEC, describe Gerard Batten as
          “not of good standing”

          1. It seems UKIP is imploding with these rival factions. I thought GB did a good job, but his mistake was to take up TR’s cause.

          2. N,
            Orchestrated by the few known Nec members, those that to my mind are faragist and who is on record as being anti UKIP & anti Tommy Robinson.
            To my mind if I was a juvenile about to be raped & abused I would rather Tommy Robinson in my corner than “nige” the follower of PC / Appeasement unwritten rulings.
            This is not an anti Brexit group post.
            Please explain where was the “mistake” Gerard Batten made
            concerning Tommy Robinson ?
            Well past time Tommy Robinson was seriously listened to
            thousands do, and agree, millions don’t the evil consequences being many an underage victim ( thousands) are
            mentally /physically abused, some child hood memory’s a ?

          3. Whatever the truth about TR and his views, his reputation became toxic and by association, so did GB.

          4. N,
            I do beg to differ strongly, you are seeming to say “doesn’t
            matter about the truth” to me and many others it does.
            Let those without sin, do you know of any ? because I don’t.
            There is a seething cauldron of treacherous toxicity within parliament and Tommy is judged as a wrong un, not in my book that is for sure.

          6. Afternoon HL,
            Then I look upon that as a form of condoning their actions in stead of taking them to task which is about to happen, this is my personal view.

          7. There was no taking them to task. They did not listen, they did not care. So I voted with my feet.

            If they can see the damage that they have done, yet keep on doing it, then I am outski.

          8. HL,
            Not the answer, the answer is to stay & rectify,which I believe will happen in a few weeks time.

          9. I may do that in the future. Right now my vote and support are aimed at those who will get us out of the EU as thoroughly and quickly as possible. Unfortunately, due largely (but not exclusively) to UKIP’s NEC, that is not going to be UKIP IMO.

          10. HL,
            At this moment in time no it will not be, It is my belief that UKIP
            has been under suppression for some time and in no way allowed to show its full potential and on reflection that goes back to farage in leadership.
            I think you have been rather let down on the quickly as possible bit, and “nige” looking for yet another extension.
            In my book anyone and I mean anyone looking for a deal with the eu is definitely NOT a friend of these Isles.

      2. I fear that UKIP really tried to go belly up when Richard Braine – an OId Etonian – (like Letwin, Stewart, Johnson. Judas Grease-Slime and Cameron) became its leader.

        Most of us here agree with your desire for Britain to be completely out of the EU – many of us would have supported UKIP and its policies three years ago but since then it has become a complete shambles.

        To be honest I rather like Gerard Batten but he does not seem to inspire much enthusiasm amongst the general public.

        1. Afternoon R,
          You are a card at times, but I like you.
          While the echoes “victory, leave it to the tory’s, UKIP is defunct” cried by many of us, I was calling for UKIP membership build, anti treachery.
          “Many of us” who should have supported UKIP went right back to supporting / voting lab/lib/con the proven pro eu coalition &
          unbelievably after the cameron ( the wretch ) may combo 6 year stint.
          Looking currently at the true state of these Isles, mass murder, mass rape / abuse mass uncontrolled immigration do you still regard the general public fit to judge Gerard Batten.
          Please read into what is really happening in UKIP and the members feelings regarding Gerard Batten, in my book and for many others he is a winner.
          PS go onto Kipper central see Batten post.

    2. Mrs May was one of the most evil politicians I have ever come across. As Rudyard Kipling observed:

      ‘The Female of the Species is more deadly than the male’

  34. If the EU decides to ignore Johnson’s request not to grant an extension I shall personally boycott all European products and avoid taking any holidays in Europe. This isn’t an idle threat. Some of you may recall me saying that I’ve never knowingly purchased any product of the Murdoch Empire over the past two decades. Like the Remainers I too can be bloody minded.

    1. You’re a bit late on that, King Steve. Many of us on here have already done that quite some time ago.

    2. English Cox’s available now.. perfect with strong Somerset Cheddar.
      Imported EU fruit mostly rock hard and inedible…

      1. Promoting Somerset Cheddar is fine but why not Cornish Blue as well? Just had a slice with my lunch and it is very good. Recently I have discovered three other English blue cheeses and all are excellent and different from Stilton in texture and taste.

        1. Well tell us their names, then.

          Or are you afraid there will be a rush & the shops will sell out?

          Stilton is on the way to being my default cooking cheese.

          1. Suffolk Blue (made in Creeting St Mary), Cambridge Blue Baby (made in Lancs, I believe) and one other. I cannot remember the name but it’s a very soft, Brie like cheese that is very mobile on the plate if left too long at room temperature. Suffolk and the unnamed cheese I purchase from Hollow Trees farm shop in Semer, when I can get out there.
            Cambridge Blue Baby – available from Cheese+, 64 Papworth Business Park, Papworth, Cambridge CB23 3GY . – I came across last week at the Marquis, a small hotel/restaurant just outside Hadleigh Suffolk.

          2. Thanks, Korky.

            Papworth is just down the road from here, so I shall investigate. I’ve just Googled them;maybe able to get the other 2 there as well.

      2. I picked most of the apples off my tree last week and had a repeat run a couple of hours ago, picking the dozen or so I’d missed.
        There are still two big ones right at the top that I can not see from under the tree, but can from across the road.
        Will have a go for them tomorrow with the DT “spotting” for me.

        To pick them, I’ve a wire basket on a telescopic aluminium pole that extends to about 15 feet, with another 5′ added by gaffer-taping a long broom handle to it!

        From the left, two Aldi Specials, from a tree I paid about £4 for a few years back when they were being flogged off cheap. A lovely eater, nice and crunchy and tastes a bit like a Granny Smith. I got about 17lb off it this year when I picked them a couple of weeks back.

        The next pair are Lord Derbys, the large one is fairly typical of the variety and weighs in at a nice 10oz.
        Nice with cheese and even better baked!

        The right hand apple is the other variety I get from the tree and from the darker hue is probably a Bramley. Again, it weighs in at 10oz.
        The DT plans making her mincemeat for Christmas tomorrow and what she does not use I’ll probably use for chutney.

        I’ve still got Des’s Enigma from next door to harvest and will probably do more chutney and jar up some stewed apple.
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a7154e7feb040ee5be70a9c07d09ecf08bc77d8958a666959a4e6c24ea927e49.jpg

        2. I decided to make cider with mine. I got four buckets of apples which i have just put through the Kenwood meat grinder. I don’t have a press so now i’m putting them through the blender. Then into two big muslin bags over my two biggest saucepans. Leave them overnight to drip through. Then just squeeze out the last of the juice tomorrow. I should get two carboys which i will put outside to overwinter. Cider with Phizzee.. :o)

      3. The Cox’s apples in Sainsbury’s are too big and the sharpness I like is very feint. The ones I have tried are from a Kent orchard. I prefer the smaller sharp Cox apple.

    4. Already do that.
      There are plenty of substitutes.
      British first. Commonwealth second. Rest of the World third. EU only if there is genuinely nothing else available and we really need that item.

        1. We can already produce most of our pharma stuff.
          There are also plenty of countries outside the EU that manufacture medicines.
          If the worst came to the worst, we could boil up a few fox glove leaves or a strip of willow bark.

    5. I have been doing that since it became clear we were going to be kept in for the foreseeable future.

    6. I have been doing that since it became clear we were going to be kept in for the foreseeable future.

  35. IX. MOBILITY

    48. Noting that the United Kingdom has decided that the principle of free movement of persons
    between the Union and the United Kingdom will no longer apply, the Parties should
    establish mobility arrangements, as set out below.

    49. The mobility arrangements will be based on non-discrimination between the Union’s
    Member States and full reciprocity.

    50. In this context, the Parties aim to provide, through their domestic laws, for visa-free travel
    for short-term visits.

    51. The Parties agree to consider conditions for entry and stay for purposes such as research,
    study, training and youth exchanges.

    52. The Parties also agree to consider addressing social security coordination in the light of
    future movement of persons.

    53. In line with their applicable laws, the Parties will explore the possibility to facilitate the
    crossing of their respective borders for legitimate travel.

    54. Any provisions will be without prejudice to the Common Travel Area (CTA) arrangements
    as they apply between the United Kingdom and Ireland.

    55. To support mobility, the Parties confirm their commitment to the effective application of the
    existing international family law instruments to which they are parties. The Union notes the
    United Kingdom’s intention to accede to the 2007 Hague Maintenance Convention to which
    it is currently bound through its Union membership.

    56. The Parties will explore options for judicial cooperation in matrimonial, parental
    responsibility and other related matters.

    57. These arrangements would be in addition to commitments on temporary entry and stay of
    natural persons for business purposes in defined areas as referred to in Section III of this
    Part. Those commitments should not be nullified by the right of either Party to apply their
    respective laws, regulations and requirements regarding entry, stay and work.

    1. also agree to consider addressing social security coordination in the light of future movement of persons.

      and

      The Parties will explore options for judicial cooperation in matrimonial, parental responsibility and other related matters.

      Both sound lethal. Looks like we’ll be paying for Abdul for decades more.

  36. Turning cloudy, possibility of rain .. had hoped the sunshine would keep shining .

    Birds are frantically feeding .. we have a sparrowhawk that regards the gardens around here as a feed post.

    I suspect she has visited the garden already today!

  37. From what we have seen, Parliament wants to revoke article 50 and keep us in the EU. The Government wants to tie us closer to the EU by getting that W/A through, buying years under their control until they can overturn the referendum result and take us fully into the EU. So we would be better off if 450+ of these MP’s were replaced.

    The only thing stopping the Government and Parliament joining forces to revoke Article 50 now, is that there would be no illusions with the public anymore. There are not that many illusions left as it is. The sad tiny pro-EU rallies would be dwarfed by 17.4 million extremely pished-off British people who would take the politicians slap in the face and slap them back much harder.

    So we are still having the wool being pulled over our eyes for the time being.

    1. May’s deal was called an Accession Agreement rather than a Withdrawal Agreement by some people in the know. It was designed to allow the EU to punishment us economically to such a degree that we would beg to return to their control. The return terms do not bear thinking about.
      I have to admit that the information coming out from Johnson’s deal is a mixed bag. Johnson, as May did, has given a very detail free description of what his “deal” means to the UK, using the soundbite, “Lets get Brexit done,” as his rallying call.
      The article put up last evening described Johnson’s deal as so little changed from May’s that it still leaves us as a colony of the EU.
      Martin Howe QC’s appraisal sees some improvement over May’s deal but with enough nasties such that sensible people would not want the deal. Then yesterday a number of Remainers were expressing concern that the “deal” would allow Johnson to crash us out after the transition period ends. I understand that we could leave without an FTA if the terms are not acceptable but Howe has laid out that some EU powers are tied to the treaty and could apply in perpetuity. In addition there is no unilateral ability to leave this treaty i.e. abrogation is the only escape. Quite how that is getting Brexit done escapes me. Confused, pretty much.

      1. ..described Johnson’s deal as so little changed from May’s….

        Yes, Korky, the extension deal prohibited any change to May’s deal.
        I’m surprised that you’re surprised that once again British politicians have been fooled
        by the Europeans.

        (12) This extension excludes any re-opening of the Withdrawal
        Agreement.

        Any unilateral commitment, statement or other act by the United
        Kingdom should be compatible with the letter and the spirit of the
        Withdrawal Agreement, and must not hamper its implementation.
        Such an extension cannot be used to start negotiations on the future relationship.

        1. JanetjH, I’m not certain that I’m expressing surprise at the performance of our politicians, more that I’m somewhat confused by the confusion being expressed by politicians and others in their appraisals of what Johnson’s deal really means for the UK. Much of the MSM are cheer-leading for this “deal” over May’s when many of the nasty bits remain and Howe’s appreciation that sensible people wouldn’t want this “deal” worries me as he was proven spot on re May’s abomination.
          Iain Dale on LBC’s programme covering the shenanigans in the HoC yesterday snapped at Farage when the latter claimed that 95% of May’s deal remained. Farage shut Dale up by listing many of the bad bits that remain and are primed to hurt this Country.

      2. I understand that Martin Howe estimated that 95% of Bojo’s deal was May’s WA surrender treaty. The bits what weren’t had been moved from the main body to the PD and a word or two had been changed (rather like the constitution becoming the Lisbon Treaty).

  38. Yo Again

    May I suggest we have Days of Remoanerism

    We Drive on the Right
    Stop at Traffic Lights when they are Green, proceed on Red
    Fill your trolley at your local supermarket and ‘Leave’ without paying
    Fill your tank with fuel, drive off
    etc

    When caught, say you are just using the tacticts of Berk-O, the Supreme Court, Ollie Passwind etc

    They refuse to accept the Referendum result, we refuse to accept other things

  39. Morning, Campers.
    What a grey day.

    Corker of an a article forwarded to me by son and heir.
    Just off to drive endlessly up and down the A12 so we don’t need to switch on the central heating.
    p.s. Glad to see that Brendan himself is posh enough not to write THE hoi polo hoi polloi (I HATE ortokrekt almost as much as Parliament. Ta ever so, Elsie.)

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/10/14/extinction-rebellions-war-on-the-working-class/

    “Extinction Rebellion’s war on the working class

    These eco-poshos are full of loathing for the aspirational poor.
    Brendan O’Neill

    We need to talk about the class dynamic in Extinction Rebellion. Surely everyone can see it. This eco-alarmist cult includes in its ranks a Belgian princess, the granddaughter of a baronet, and a public-school Guardianista descended of aristocracy.

    And who do these poshos target? The working-class men of Smithfield meat market. The working families of Billingsgate fish market. And the good people of London just trying to get to work or to jet off on a much-needed break from the vagaries of life in capitalist society. These plummy millenarians can use all the pseudo-progressive language they like – the rest of us know that the XR uprising is class war waged by eco-elites against the apparently unenlightened little people.

    Extinction Rebellion gets posher by the day. Last week it was announced that the 1,300 agitators arrested in London included Princess Marie-Esméralda of Belgium, daughter of Leopold III. ‘The climate emergency calls on all of us to put pressure on governments to act with urgency’, she said.

    A little further down the aristocratic scale there is Tamsin Omond, the granddaughter of a baronet. She’s a former member of the implacably snobby anti-flying group Plane Stupid, whose website once denounced the ‘enormous growth in binge-flying’ and in particular the ‘proliferation of stag and hen nights to Eastern European destinations chosen not for their architecture or culture but because people can fly there for 99p and get loaded for a tenner’. Eurgh, those frightful oiks travelling around the world, how grotesque.

    On the first day of Extinction Rebellion’s takeover of central London, Ms Omond got married to her long-time girlfriend on Westminster Bridge, which the middle-class crusties had of course shut down to the plebs… I mean, to the general public. It was like an aristocratic colonisation of the public square. So what if you paupers need to get to work, or to St Thomas’s hospital, or to an airport? Don’t you know a daughter of extreme privilege is getting married on the bridge?! Know your place, hoi polloi.

    Everywhere you turn on an XR protest you’ll hear a plummy accent or see a Hampstead-and-Highgate mum glueing herself to a bus to try to raise the awareness of the braindead commuters therein. One of the key speakers at XR protests has been George Monbiot, educated at Stowe (£36,000 a year) and descended from the Salmon family that owned the vast cake-and-tea empire J Lyons. ‘Let them not eat cake!’, is the cry of these eco-aristos who essentially want to deny the masses the thing that they themselves have long enjoyed – wealth and comfort.

    What is most striking is who this silver-spoon brigade is protesting against. Mr Monbiot and various middle-class vegans descended on Smithfield meat market to shame the largely working-class people who make their living there. As one of the Smithfield workers told LBC, thanks to this ‘happy-clappy mob’ and their interference with Smithfield, ‘I’m not going to be able to pay my bills’. In any other era, if posh people prevented the less well-off from making a living, we’d call it class war – now we call it environmental campaigning.

    When these wealthy greens got bored of mocking meat workers, they headed to London’s Billingsgate fish market to take the piss out of its equally hard-working traders. In many coastal English towns and working-class parts of East London, there is a genuine concern among ordinary people that the fishing industry is in trouble. They want it to be propped up, so that they can continue to make a living. Yet in waltz the Oxbridge know-alls of Extinction Rebellion to tell the fish-gutting rabble that they are wrong and that they should be put out of business. What a nasty mob.

    From its invasion of meat and fish markets to its blockage of airport entrances to its hectoring of everyday commuters who apparently aren’t paying enough attention to the ‘climate emergency’, this eco-aristocracy constantly attacks ordinary people. It openly calls for their lives to be made harder. XR’s demand that carbon emissions be cut to ‘net zero’ by 2025 would lead to untold job losses, an end to driving, and virtually no more flying. Indeed, XR types call for massive taxes on flying, which would have the impact of pricing the non-rich out of the skies.

    Stowe’s star green activist George Monbiot put it best in his old book Heat. Environmentalism, he said, is ‘a campaign not for abundance but austerity, not for more freedom but less…’. It is a campaign ‘against other people’, he argued. Such honesty. With XR, we can take it a step further: environmentalism is now very clearly a campaign against ordinary people by wealthy people; a campaign for austerity being led by people who in many cases grew up in great privilege.

    Is there not something a little grotesque about people whose families have enjoyed comfort for generations agitating against those who have enjoyed comfort for one or two generations, or who still haven’t attained it at all?

    We shouldn’t be surprised. Environmentalism has long had a strong streak of class hatred. From the filthy rich David de Rothschild’s 2007 guide to living more austerely to Jonathon Porritt (the Eton-educated son of Lord Porritt) heading up Friends of the Earth; from Prince Charles’ demand that we all live more eco-meekly to Prince Harry’s shameless moaning about flying even as he takes a private jet to Elton John’s swanky pad; from Plane Stupid’s posh protests against plebs flying out of Stansted Airport to the sirs and ladies who head up the various efforts to curb population growth (shudder) – green politics has always been led by the posh, and has always been targeted at the lower orders.

    This isn’t a coincidence. It is written into the very heart of the green worldview. Boil it down and this supposedly progressive movement is really just a modern version of the aristocratic, anti-modern, anti-natalist misanthropy that has been a feature of certain upper-class circles ever since the Industrial Revolution cranked into action. XR’s inconveniencing of working people’s lives isn’t a mere tactic – it is the fundamental essence of this movement that dreams of plunging us back into the poverty that we only recently escaped from.”

    Brendan O’Neill is editor of spiked and host of the spiked podcast, The Brendan O’Neill Show. Subscribe to the podcast here. And find Brendan on Instagram: @burntoakboy

    1. ‘Morning Anne
      I,for one would be grateful if they led the way to zero carbon,a single use plastic bag tied neatly around the head would reduce their emissions to zero in short order
      C’mon XR you know it’s the right thing to do

    2. Brendan should take heart…any cause supported by the likes of Moonbat and his idiotic chums is so riddled with hypocrisy and hate it hands the moral and ethical position to those they seek to condemn.

      ‘Morning, Annie, and thanks for posting.

  40. Alan White DT,
    “I take comfort from the fact that when voters finally have the chance to take part in a General Election these MPs will be unable to do anything about the result”
    Alan, ogga don’t,
    Many of these current MPs have been in positions of power for years in the Hoc and also had the curtain sizes for their future brussels office well noted, never changed the voting pattern.
    They care not that the toxic trio are decimated post General Election THEY are in transit having heard the siren call of the golden trough.

  41. Boris Brilliances….

    Boris Bikes

    Boris Airport

    Boris Garden Bridge

    Boris Ireland Bridge

    Boris Brexit Fudge

    Nothing Boris works.

      1. The only sure and safe way to Brexit is to expose the massive conspiracy and go No Deal !

        Fudge won’t work.

  44. The longer Brexit goes on the more it becomes apparent that the EU has complete control and mastery over our Westminster Parliament, the triumphalist way they have ensured that Boris has had to write those letters just shows they wont countenance any resistance whatsoever, everyone that gets in their way has to be squashed and humiliated the poor electorate have no say it in at all.

    2. That was always the point of the EU – to remove the annoying citizen from any say in governnance.

      Thus they take the money that citizen earns without their permission, consent or even bothering to refer to them and do what they like with it. At the moment, the EU is annoyed that it’s happy little arrangement is being usurped.

      Lots of MPs take money from the EU for cushy sinecures and are head first in the trough, expecting comfy eurojobs at the end of it all. The EU is reminding them that all that vanishes when we leave the EU so a group of corrupt politicians are making merry while we are poweress to stop them.

      I don’t believe for a moment that the police will stand by. They’ve ignored the gree rioters because their bosses told them to. As soon as those people pushing for democracy and independence start acting up they’ll bring out the riot police and rubber bullets. They will never, ever allow anything but their own narrative.

      Which rather brings us back to brexit. Society is going backward because of the ‘progressive’ idiots. The hard Left nutters demanding men can pretend to be women and not be challenged or even the fact that they are not stated without screaming ‘hate crime’, children are taught utter gibberish that undermiens and destabilises the family. The nuclear family isunder relentless assault from the nutcase Left in social control and parents being fined by schools, yet cannot bring those schools to heel – we’re stuck relying upon an ultra conservative, backward religion to defend common sense ONLY because the state refuses to act against that bizarrely protected religion, despite it happily blowing up natives – events we then cannot talk about.

      Taxes are offensive, the economy stagnant as a result, yet the nutter Left demand more tax, waffling on about – in their iliteracy – ‘people being made to pay their ‘fare’ share’. Yet they do, many, many times over. The Left never allow the worker to keep more of their money, but they’re happy to tax the earner. It’s mental.

      All these things must be undone for the country to recover. Brexit was the start of that and yet while the Left continually fight this giant example of democracy the resistance they’ll put up to the necessary reforms will be monstrous – even more reason why they must be obliterated.

  45. EU Will not Change Boris’s Deal

    It took a great deal of effort by Boris to get the WA reopped they have said though they will not change it again so the commons have walked into a trap they now have only two options accept the deal or go for No deal. They have finally boxed themselves in by trying to be clever

    1. There is actually a third option in that this delay and obfuscation continues and that we remain (in the true sense) within the EU!

      2. How are they circumventing the normal process. IT took them about a week to ge article 50 through and that was just a once sensitive piece of legislation

  47. US is out of the picture in Syria-Turkey crisis. Putin now owns this mess. October 20, 2019.

    It’s also clear that the future will, to a large extent, be determined by the Russian President. With Trump’s abandonment of the Kurds, America’s main allies in the fight against ISIS, and his de facto green lighting of Turkey’s invasion of northern Syria, the White House maneuvered itself out of the Syria equation. For better or worse, Putin now owns the military and political mess unfolding there.

    This is just an admission of reality unusual only in that it is an American media outlet voicing truth. Russia is the only global power in the region that retains any credibility and Vlad is the man to go to if you have problems. If he can make even a start on sorting it out, and it’s a big if, the West will cease to exercise any leverage in the Middle East for the foreseeable future. This is a plus for everyone except American Arms manufacturers and Oil Companies.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/20/middleeast/putin-now-owns-this-mess-intl/index.html

      1. Morning Anne. When he finally cocks his clogs it will be Vlad the Great. He’s on a par with Catherine and Peter. He has almost single handedly raised Russia from the gutter and made it a world power again, this on top of sorting out a great many of the domestic problems. He has no equal in the Geopolitical World. The rest are pygmies in comparison!

  48. Another item forwarded by son and heir; from The Sun! I have reproduced it in full as links don’t work for many NOTTLers.

    “Still these dullards in the Commons vote for more dithering, delay and damage to our economy

    Tony Parsons
    20 Oct 2019,

    THEY really don’t get it, do they?

    Our MPs increasingly resemble those moronic Extinction Rebellion activists who looned on top of a Tube train in London’s rush hour.

    See them cavort and preen! See them faff and fart about!

    See the witless prats kick the Brexit can down the road one more time!

    Like commuters prevented from going to work, out in the real world millions glare up at their stupid, self-indulgent antics, wanting nothing more than to get on with our lives.

    And still these democratically-elected dullards vote for more dithering, delay and unimaginable damage to our economy.

    All that stuff about simply wanting to prevent No Deal?

    Lies, lies and more lies. They lie to us all the time. One day there will be a mighty reckoning for all their mealy-mouthed lies. But not on Saturday.

    There is a great deal on the table. On Saturday, MPs defecated on the table. Classy!

    Saturday was the chance for MPs to get down from the roof of the stalled Tube train that is Brexit.

    Saturday was the day to put the country out of its misery.

    Saturday was a chance to end the national paralysis.

    Here at long last, shining like a heavenly light, was an exit door out of purgatory. Finally, after all these wretched years, there was an opportunity to get Brexit done.

    And the House of Commons blew it. Once more, they placed Parliament above the people. We will never forgive or forget this treachery.

    They had a chance to end the divisions that have divided friends, colleagues and family.

    To stop our country stumbling like a drooling zombie and to start walking tall and strong as an open, optimistic free-trading global nation.

    And oh yes — a chance to honour the result of a referendum that produced the largest vote for anything ever in the oldest democracy in the world.

    And they voted for more faffing about. More paralysis. More zombie. How dare they?

    Boris Johnson offered a real Brexit deal and Remaniacs, who have fibbed for so long that all they ever wanted was to prevent No Deal, rejected it

    The dullards in the Commons voted for the Letwin amendment, named after Tory rebel Sir Oliver Letwin, withholds approval of the PM’s deal and triggers the Brexit-blocking Benn Act

    Because for the very first time, here was a Brexit that was actually worthy of the name. For all of Theresa May’s hard work, honourable intentions and humiliations she was forced to endure, she never offered a Brexit that was worth having.

    Theresa May brought back a Brexit in name only, a Brexit that would have reduced us to a colony, a Brexit that would have effectively kept the UK within the EU while silencing our voice.

    But Boris Johnson offered a real Brexit deal and oh, how they squirmed on Saturday, all those eye-swivelling Remaniacs who have fibbed for so long that all they ever wanted was to prevent No Deal.

    And they have the nerve to call Boris a liar!

    Those democracy-deniers, who dismiss 17.4million of their countrymen and women as thick racist bigots, never looked so woefully out of touch with the mood of the nation as they did on Saturday.

    Business wants to back Boris’s deal! Workers want it! The head of the Bank of England wants it! Sun readers want it! Figures as wildly diverse as Stuart Rose, who chaired the Remain campaign, and Arron Banks, founder of the hardcore Leave.EU campaign, all want it!

    And still they couldn’t bring themselves to do it.

    Common sense screamed that there is no better Brexit than the one that was on offer on Saturday.

    And still they could not summon the common sense, the common decency, to back this Prime Minister.

    But make no mistake, there was far more than Brexit on the line. By blocking the Boris deal, the damage to our democracy has been immeasurable.

    But it is not Boris Johnson who will be blamed for this insult. It is not Boris Johnson and his increasingly united Tories who will be punished when Jeremy Corbyn finally stops wetting his incontinence pants and summons the courage for a General Election

    For too long, the largest vote for anything in British history had been thwarted and frustrated at every turn.

    So Saturday was no real surprise.

    They have sought to block Brexit with the propaganda of Project Fear.

    They have tried to thwart Brexit in the courts.

    They have tried to block Brexit by smearing this Prime Minister.

    Theresa May brought back a Brexit in name only, but Boris Johnson’s was the best Brexit on offer

    Saturday was just the latest roadblock. Frustrating but, hey, no big deal.

    The 17.4million has not gone away. And Brexit will not go away.

    And neither will this tousle-haired Prime Minister.

    Is the message finally getting through? WE WANT THIS THING OVER.

    Saturday was time to move on. They kicked Brexit in the shins. But do the fools really think they killed it?

    The DUP, who believe the Boris deal would cut them off from the rest of the UK, have done the Union no favour by siding with Remainers.

    The DUP are denying the realities of geography.

    Northern Ireland shares a border with the Republic of Ireland. If there is to be no border on the island of Ireland then common sense dictates that there has to be a border SOMEWHERE.
    The Boris solution — sticking an invisible border somewhere in the Irish sea — seems ingenious.

    It allows free trade to flow in Ireland while allowing Northern Ireland to benefit from the future free trade deals struck around the world by the UK.

    If they were of a naturally sunnier disposition, the DUP might even believe they were getting the best of both worlds.

    And you couldn’t help reflecting that the socially conservative DUP are very happy to be separate from mainland Britain when it suits them on gay rights, abortion and same sex marriage. Nothing in recent years has weakened the union like the DUP’s thunder-faced opposition to the Brexit that Boris Johnson offered.

    For this was the real deal.

    And all those who defied it — because they can see no further than the end of their own prejudices, because they care about their career more than their country, because they were afraid of being kneecapped by John McDonnell, because they simply can’t accept Brexit — were woefully out of touch with the mood of our nation.

    It turns the stomach that MPs have scorned this wonderful chance to get Brexit done. But Saturday’s lost battle just makes winning the war all the more inevitable. When the opposition work up the guts to face a General Election, Saturday’s institutional treachery guarantees Boris a landslide.

    Brexit now has an historic inevitability about it.

    In the end we have no choice but to leave the EU — whatever the cost in friendships, family ties and gold, whatever it does to what Boris Johnson calls the “awesome foursome” of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

    Because the EU dream of ever-closer union will never be the aspiration of the British.

    Once David Cameron had called the referendum, the oldest democracy in the world was bound to honour its result.

    Brexit will happen because Brexit has to happen.

    This country will never be just another state in a federal Europe.

    And ultimately this country will never ignore a democratic vote, or tell its people to have another referendum because they got the answer wrong the first time.

    The political pygmies in Westminster have slowed Brexit. But they will never stop it.”

    2. There’s some good stuff in that article, but “For all of Theresa May’s hard work, honourable intentions…” is surely a misprint of some sort!?

      1. Bleausard – yes, I remember reading Tony Parsons comments for years when he was writing for The Mirror (a friend bought it and I read it for light relief,) and he was not that well informed about reality even back then. It took him until 2015 to start seeing the light and become a Conservative, but he clearly has a long way to go yet.

        He lists people who want this deal but missed out a few names. Kenneth Clarke wants it, Theresa May and Oliver Letwin want it, a whole list of hard-core pro-EU MP’s want it. Many people who have not read the details of the deal want it because they think it is better than where we are now. Those who understand it do not want it. The DUP are no fools and they will vote to try to stop it.

      2. I thinks Tobes Tone is being tactful and avoiding the charge of the article being a negative rant.
        Sometimes the needle of sarcasm works better. It certainly attracts attention.

    3. Thing is, they won’t honour it. Too many rich, lazy, corrupt people stand to lose money if the UK leaves the EU.

      They’ll fight it until they get their own way, regardless of the consequences.

  49. It’s obvious that the whole Brexit program has been infiltrated from beginning to end by super well funded Remainers all conspiring together, and that the WA which Boris wants is a deadly poisoned chalice.

    Boris Brexit fudge is incredibly dangerous and hasn’t a snowball’s hope in hell of working.

    If Brits aren’t up for the No Deal fight, it would be much better to call it off.

  50. Another moment on Monday .

    The EU won’t change that deal and neither should they,
    they have a choice which is to go with the government or parliament,
    one wishes to get Brèxit moving and the other wishes to kill it off
    in its entirety. The Benn Act isn’t legally binding but Boris Johnson
    did what he needed to by taking the deal to parliament.
    A classicist and far more clever man then all those fools he
    needs to hold his nerve and not blink first.
    It’s that deal or no deal but one way or another we are leaving on the 31/ 10 / 19,
    I think stuff the lot of them Boris Johnson.. keep the faith and your
    promise and go with a No Deal Brèxit, they cannot blame the PM,
    they had a chance to let go of self interest and failed.

      1. There are those who dont even want to get as far as any deal,
        the shadow Brèxit Minister ( forgot his name) said only
        the EU can protect workers rights, that a sovereign UK
        will not do so. The Queens opposition are officially a remain
        party going against the democratic vote of the people,
        they also have the full support of the SNP and other leftist
        parties of which dominate parliament. They are the true
        enemies of democracy. Boris Johnson must realise he’s on
        his own, parliament isn’t fit for purpose and he must do
        all he can to honour that referendum .

        1. Boris could do this properly if he had the nerve.

          The huge multi million pound conspiracy must be exposed first, including who is behind it and the links to the EU.

          That will destroy Remain and then no deal becomes much easier.

          1. Boris Johnson would want the be the golden haired
            Odysseus figure who heroically saves the UK
            He must know that those in Parliament will not stop
            until they stop Brèxit, them and powerful figures
            elsewhere. Mandelson and Blair are up to all sorts
            without any spotlight on them.
            I don’t think their is any option now for Boris Johnson
            but to leave without a deal. The EU can be persuaded
            to not give an extension or change the deal, they’ll hope
            we fall and burn which will be a warning to
            other countries who might want to leave the EU,
            although there biggest concern would be if we made a
            success outside of the EU.. but in all decency and fairness.
            But either way we need to be let free and lead by example as
            We always have done as a nation. Boris Johnson did the
            legal thing of producing a deal and taking it to parliament,
            parliament failed and now he must hold his nerve and make
            us leave on the 31/ 10 / 19 or we never will leave

          4. I think we’ll have you sitting down at the front, where I can keep an eye on you. 😉

          5. I would’ve hid quietly behind the open desk lids
            throwing apple cores at the swats in front 😉

          7. Boris Johnson would want the be the golden haired
            Odysseus figure who heroically saves the UK
            He must know that those in Parliament will not stop
            until they stop Brèxit, them and powerful figures
            elsewhere. Mandelson and Blair are up to all sorts
            without any spotlight on them.
            I don’t think their is any option now for Boris Johnson
            but to leave without a deal. The EU can be persuaded
            to not give an extension or change the deal, they’ll hope
            we fall and burn which will be a warning to
            other countries who might want to leave the EU,
            although there biggest concern would be if we made a
            success outside of the EU.. but in all decency and fairness.
            But either way we need to be let free and lead by example as
            We always have done as a nation. Boris Johnson did the
            legal thing of producing a deal and taking it to parliament,
            parliament failed and now he must hold his nerve and make
            us leave on the 31/ 10 / 19 or we never will leave

          8. Boris Johnson would want the be the golden haired
            Odysseus figure who heroically saves the UK
            He must know that those in Parliament will not stop
            until they stop Brèxit, them and powerful figures
            elsewhere. Mandelson and Blair are up to all sorts
            without any spotlight on them.
            I don’t think their is any option now for Boris Johnson
            but to leave without a deal. The EU can be persuaded
            to not give an extension or change the deal, they’ll hope
            we fall and burn which will be a warning to
            other countries who might want to leave the EU,
            although there biggest concern would be if we made a
            success outside of the EU.. but in all decency and fairness.
            But either way we need to be let free and lead by example as
            We always have done as a nation. Boris Johnson did the
            legal thing of producing a deal and taking it to parliament,
            parliament failed and now he must hold his nerve and make
            us leave on the 31/ 10 / 19 or we never will leave

  52. Good morning from the Saxon daughter of Alfred of Wessex .

    Sabotage, treachery and skulduggery most vile, Oliver
    Ledwin will have traitor written upon his stone.

    1. ‘Morning, Ethul, as will Benn – the latest two to join the long list of Comtemptible Parliamentarians.

      As for Bercow, he’d better arrange to be buried at sea otherwise there will a host to outshine “Strictly…” dancing on his grave.

  55. In some ways the RWC results this morning are a pity.

    We now have two wham bam, kick and chase semi-finals and a final to look forward to. The low tackling, slick handling sides are all gone.

  57. That’s me for the day – a wet day, too. Off to Toulouse to collect the MR. Won;t be back until 7 pm.

    A demain (the last fine day forecast for a week).

    Pity about Japan – but they did very well to get to the quarter-finals. AB v SA = final.

  58. It is not a “very good deal”. It is an atrocious betrayal. My Tory MP is for it.
    This is his email to me yesterday morning; “The deal on offer ensures we leave the EU. You should not under estimate the attempts by those trying to stop Brexit. A vote for this deal delivers Brexit.”
    Short and to the point.
    What is being overlooked in all this is that a Tory government invented the need for a “deal” and accepted two huge immensely detailed documents prepared by the EU in order to hogtie us.
    It is extremely disingenuous of a Tory PM, indeed, any MP, to say that this is the best that we can do. The present situation has been brought about by the Tory leadership; Cameron, May, and Johnson and the rest. Having pushed us into a ditch, they now tell us that we have to accept the mud

  59. ”

    Boris Johnson faces new court battle over Brexit: Remainers claim
    the PM flouted the ‘spirit’ of the law by telling Brussels he does NOT
    want the delay he was forced to request ”
    And so it goes on.
    It is not ethics or principles that is motivating the Remainers. Nor is it a desire to rescue our country from a wrong decision made by the unwashed.
    The amount of effort put into destroying our Parliament has been financed by vested interests and really big money.
    The Russians ? The Chinese ? I don’t think so. Could only be the the European Union from whom we are trying to escape.
    This will make a great film some day.

    1. The law doesn’t have a ‘spirit’, only a letter.

      If they don’t like what he did to them they should maybe reflect on their original sloppy drafting of the bill.

      1. I don’t think lawyers can argue a case in court based on what they think is the original intention of the lawmakers. They argue the case on what the wording is. That’s what they are paid for.

        1. And yet, the Supremes and their court completely overturned that concept when they declared the proroguing of Parliament unlawful. That decision was based not on what Johnson had done, but on the Supremes’ interpretation of why he’d done it.

          2. True, but AFAIK they were not making a judgement on a specific law, but on a constitutional i.e. unwritten, issue.

          3. You mean that they were re-writing the law because they couldn’t find a previously used box to tick ?

          4. More or less. They cited a precedent from 400 years ago to explain their decision. But other law experts say they ignored other precedents which could have swung the argument the other way.

          5. Our Constitution is not unwritten -the written part of it is just contained in several different documents – Magna Carta, the Bill of Rights etc. etc. rather than one document. As such it can (and has been) breached several times.

          6. I hope one of the first acts of the new Parliament is to scrap the SC. After all, Parliament created it, so they can destroy it.

        2. They do use secondary sources, such as Hansard to try to extrapolate what Parliament actually intended when it passed ambiguous legislation.

    2. Those wanting to remain chained now don’t care. Like all Lefties, they hate, blindly and unthinking those whose opinion differ from theirs. It’s not about the EU for them. It’s about getting their own way now. It’s about killing us.

    3. Nope. No film. Pre-production censorship will prevent it. All journalistic and artistic enterprises will require prior permission.

    4. “Could only be the the European Union from whom we are trying to escape” and to whom we pay an exorbitant amount of money for our bondage and to be taken advantage of. We are not masochists.

  60. Nigel Farage allegedly said this morning that it’s
    best to have an extension.
    Oh no it isn’t sainted Nige, it’s best if the Prime Minister
    ( he with actual authority ) were to lead us out on the
    31/ 10 / 19 without a deal.

    1. I just want my country to be free again. But the bitterest of bitter poisons is that Boris really is working for the globalists, in the same way that Theresa May, Phillip Hammond, Tony Blair and the much over-hyped Soros is. He will never allow us to Leave the EU and never had any intention to. He is a plump Tony Blair lying to your face.

      This W/A that he champions is 95% of the same deal that everyone called a trap and he called something that I won’t repeat. He is the portly pied-piper leading trusting Conservatives into the prison cell of the EU. He will be very well rewarded for his actions in snaring the United Kingdom.

      But we will obviously need to disagree on this one point. I agree with you on everything else. 🙂

      1. Well said. Although I still hope that this is all a game of 4D chess and the aim is we leave with no deal on 31st October. That is the default legal position, and as Monsieur Barner likes to say ‘the clock is ticking…’

      2. As I’ve stated on numerous occasions, if the Country is ensnared in this WA then the Tories will suffer when the reality of that decision becomes clear. Agriculture, fisheries, the economy and as Martin Howe QC posits in his appraisal:

        This situation is highly dangerous for some industries in particular: financial services, who may be subjected to rule changes designed to force business such as Euro derivatives clearing from the City into Continental centres…

        It isn’t a great deal as it was never intended to be fair but to punish. That a PM of the UK i.e. Theresa May would stoop so low is an indictment of the strength of the EU’s corrosive action over time. It rots countries from the top down and will continue to do so until the people take back control.

      3. Yes, yes and yes. It astounds me people cannot see the deal Boris is trying to get through for what it is.

        Being so weary of the shenanigans designed to kill Brexit is no excuse to accept May’s deal albeit with lipstick on it.

        1. I was always reminded of the saying “lipstick on a pig” whenever I saw pictures of May with her warpaint on (which was most of the time).

      4. One wonders, Meredith, if he is not being a true student of Machiavelli, inasmuch that the Deal he struck appeases the EU sufficiently for them to say, “Go with it.”

        Yet Boris has convinced them that refusing to countenance any further delay is a spur to get the Deal through The Contemptible Parliament, knowing full-well that it will NOT be agreed to, just because it’s his.

        He can then ensure that the subsequent kerfuffle, the need to debate the Queen’s Speech, the avoidance of a GE and the traitorous intent of the Squeaker and the Opposition, will be enough to ensure that by the time Hallowe’en arrives, nothing will be sorted and/or agreed and we leave the EU without a Deal by default.

        Job Done!

      1. Being a radio star and all the reflective glory of clinging
        onto Donald Trump’ s coat has gone to Farage’s
        head. He’ll be calling for the meaningful vote next,
        echoing the traitors in Parliament.

    3. Nigel Farage made it clear that the best option is to leave the EU on 31st October without a surrender to the EU WA.

      His worry is that Boris’s WA is worse than staying in the EU because we shall be imprisoned with our hands tied behind our backs.

      If the choice is between a Vassal State deal – which is Boris’s ‘deal’ – or a delay followed by general election with a pact between the Conservatives and TBP resulting in a proper Brexit then many of us would be happier than remaining forever enslaved to the EU.

      1. Nigel Farage who abandoned UKIP for whatever reasons
        has no influence or power changes his tune with the wind
        for a bit of extra attention. If that deal was what as you
        say then the mind boggles to why parliament didn’t vote
        for it. There are those who want to stop Brèxit in its
        entirety and will use an extension as a way towards another
        referendum and the endless drama of Brèxit will never
        end. The deal might not be perfect but it’s a leap in the
        right direction and deals can change with time and
        circumstances. But as it happens Boris Johnson
        asked Tusk to reject a request for an extension and
        we are more then able and ready to put operation
        yellowhammer into place. The economy is in
        good shape and trade deals have been set up
        and we will leave one way or another on the
        31/ 10/ 19 . Boris Johnson by law offered a deal and
        took it to parliament has required, they have rejected
        the deal. So therefore it’s a No Deal Brèxit and
        all this with out the noise of sainted Nige.

        1. I suspect that the remainers didn’t vote for it either because they aren’t bright enough to see what it does or it doesn’t keep us entirely tied to the EU and therefore any semblance of freedom, no matter how miniscule, is too much for them to stomach. On the other hand, they may just not accept it because it’s Bojo’s deal.

      2. PS..One would hope with a general election that a
        totalitarian dictatorship wasn’t swapped for a
        worse totalitarian dictatorship if Corbyn won
        which seems unlikely to this date. If we had an election
        now then the Conservative Party with Boris Johnson
        as PM will gain a 80 seat majority according to
        ConHome, it’s the others who don’t want an election
        atm. Not that one is necessary .

  62. Not sure if it’s just me, but it’s gone bloody cold over the past couple of hours.
    Am I the only one who would not be surprised to see snow before the end of the month?

    1. We had our first snow already, but being a fair bit North of youse, that’s not surprising!

  63. It’ll be interesting to see how many of the great and good who intend selling our country down the river will be standing at the war memorials next month.

    3. Given that his image was used for target practice, I would guess Corbyn will be nervously eyeing the soldiers on parade.

    5. Correction Eddy. … “Who intend giving Our country away …”. Indeed you could say “paying for our country to be taken over”.

      1. Both ways. it’s grey, cloudy, dark and cold
        in terms both weather and increasing darkness
        as a result of the twilight of any political decency .

  66. Sir Christopher Hohn, the hedge fund billionaire who this month revealed that his was the biggest individual donation to Extinction Rebellion, has quietly built a €730m (£630m) stake in the owner of Heathrow Airport.

    Head Hohncho?

    1. Neat,use the ER and general Ecoloonery to drive the share price down while building his stake
      Not only hypocrisy but fraud in my opinion

      1. Alternatively he may truly believe the drivel and want to build up his stake to take a majority control in order to honour his principles and close Heathrow…..

      1. I recall that using one of those only gave a feeble light. I must have been too lazy.

        Nicked from elsewhere:

        Dynamos are actually quite efficient at converting kinetic energy to electrical energy. … A very fit human pedaling a bicycle is capable of converting around 25% of energy from metabolism into kinetic energy, so their body is burning 400W to put 100W into the dynamo and get 80W out, for an overall efficiency of 20%.

        I don’t know how that compares with the man’s fuel-cell “battery”.

          2. It has been a long time since I rode a bike with one of those – my memory is dim, rather like the lights 🙂

          1. A spokesperson on u-tube, saddled with having to respond to the PC brigade, says that that’s a myth being pedaled.

      1. Watch the vested interests try to kill it, and if it really is as good as it appears then the EU will try to grab it.

        2. Just commented along those lines. If they can’t grab it for a German or French firm they’ll probably legislate against it.

    3. It will never work, there is no profit in that. Let the Chinese market it and sell it to us at extortionate rates,

    4. Excellent news for the inventor and for Britain. The big boys have already tried to stop him and how long before the lobbyists in Brussels get the ear of the great and not very good there and try to end his dream? He’s obviously very smart so I’m sure he’ll have his patents watertight.

        1. The technology or similar one is already used. Read the article fully and the big snag is revealed These batteries cannot be recharged you have to swap out the battery

          1. I did read the article fully and the swapping and recycling would appear to be straightforward, cheaper, cleaner and greener.

          3. That figure refers to a Tesla:
            “In a Tesla, Jackson says, the battery costs about £30,000. An aluminium-air fuel cell that would power the same car for longer would cost just £5,000.”

            ” According to Jackson, the cost of recycling means the running costs of an aluminium-air powered car would work out at 7p per mile. The cost of a small hatchback’s petrol comes to around 12p per mile.”

            The article doesn’t really say how much such fuel cells would cost for an average family car, so it’s speculation at the moment.
            Bear in mind that you wouldn’t be filling it up with diesel or petrol, or charging it with electricity which are all on going costs. The downside is that you’d need to buy the fuel cell replacement as a lump sum rather than spreading out the cost of fuel over x months or more.

        2. The electrolyte he’s invented appears to be the game changer as he demonstrated with the cola can.

          2. What if the electrolyte is water from a particular pond on Dartmoor and only works when pumped out on a night of the full Moon with an R in the month? That might bugger their mass spectrometer.
            Seriously, the MS can give the chemicals/elements involved but can it unravel the ratios?

          4. I was in telecomms with a passing interest in astronomy. The latter makes use of spectrometers to find out what stars etc are made of. That’s where my knowledge ends.

    5. One of the companies mentioned Metalectrique Ltd was Compulsorily struck off in 2015 as have been several others

      ICANIQUE LIMITED Appears to be an active company but not trading

      ICANIQUE RESEARCH LIMITED Dormant Company
      ICANIQUE TECHNOLOGY LIMITED Dormant company
      MAL RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT LIMITED Active company
      METALECTRIQUE AEROSYSTEMS LTD Dissolved
      PREMIER DESIGN MANAGEMENT LIMITED Dissolved

  68. Brexit: “Johnson ‘has the numbers’ in Commons to pass deal, says Raab…”

    So the Leave Vote is being sold down the river on both sides of the commons…

    1. THe deal is not perfect but seems to be a sensible compromise

      What is you problem whith it ?

        1. Then there is farming. As the UK will not be allowed to give State aid to UK businesses without the agreement of the EU, the UK will not be able to replace EU farm payments with UK farm payments unless the EU says so.

      3. https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/another-boris-choke/

        See my reply to Aethelfled a moment ago.

        This “deal” isn’t a deal. It’s an agreement to remain under the control of the EU and ECJ.

        In his excellent summary of the barely tweaked WA/PD, Martin Howe QC sets out the pros and cons. He fears that UK will voluntarily be under the European Court of Justice (ECJ) for all its time of defenceless purgatory, subject to all the burners of EU hostility, yet with no redress at all to its decisions, however bad. Appeal to the Vienna Convention, he writes, is fanciful. He is astonished that the UK would bow to this demand, and cites a Swiss expert asking why on earth we agreed to the ECJ as final decider of our fate:

        ‘This clause was originally imposed by the EU on the desperate former Soviet republics of Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova. It was successfully resisted by Norway and the other EEA States and most recently has been rejected again by Switzerland in the EU’s attempt to impose it as part of a new framework agreement. Dr Carl Baudenbacher, a Swiss lawyer who recently retired as president of the EFTA Court, has said: “It is absolutely unbelievable that a country like the UK, which was the first country to accept independent courts, would subject itself to this”.’

        Teresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement was an abomination. Boris has changed very little of it. It’s still an abomination.

        1. Boris has not changed it all.

          He couldn’t.

          The British government agreed not to change it when requesting an extension in March 2019.

          (12) This extension excludes any re-opening of the Withdrawal
          Agreement.

          Any unilateral commitment, statement or other act by the United
          Kingdom should be compatible with the letter and the spirit of the
          Withdrawal Agreement,and must not hamper its implementation.
          Such an extension cannot be used to start negotiations on the future relationship.

      5. Compromise? It’s still essentially May’s WA, with the Irish border ‘problem’ shifted to the middle of the Irish Sea. Even if Parliament votes for it next week, it means the UK does NOT leave the EU on October the 31st, but is in a transition period for three years, without a guarantee of an FTA and at the mercy of whatever punitive measure the EU dreams up.

      6. Vassalage is a sensible compromise with liberty?

        I suppose all those years working at HMRC have warped your judgement.

      1. Just like the long running musical Joseph: “Turncoats of many colours – any deal will do….”

        1. Not in the slightest. Brèxit was always a long game,
          the deal might not be perfect but it’s a step in the right
          direction. Deals also change with time and circumstances,
          we’d be able to get rid of the things we don’t like at our leasure .
          and it’d shoot the fox of those who’d use an extension to
          call for Brèxit to be cancelled, they won’t stop.
          It’s endless and tiresome and people just want Brèxit dealt
          with, all people including the ordinary man on the street and
          businesses. There are trade deals ready and just sitting there .

          4. Well maybe we should just do as Nigel Farage, Labour
            The SNP and the Lib Dems want and have an extension
            leading to a peoples vote which is Labour’s latest
            spot of blackmail to agree with anything.
            Another referendum putting Boris Johnson’s deal to
            the voting public. Not quite what the majority want.

          5. The best solution by far is to have a General Election or No Deal…. (so that the EU begin to appreciate the seriousness of our strong negotiating position and will modify their demands accordingly)

      2. Except if this Agreement is passed, it won’t be the end of it, just more of the same, with no exit clause.

        The Telegraph’s Ambrose Evans-Pritchard finds the new agreement deeply depressing and resolving nothing: ‘So we await the next Brexit cliff-edge in 14 months. Project Fear will repeat itself.

        ‘The Withdrawal Agreement merely permits the UK to start talks on a trade deal. It lets us pay £33billion in order to play. Less has been resolved that most commentary seems to suggest. I fear a horrible moment of disappointment when people discover what this means. I fear too that hopes of a post-deal economic boomlet and a surge of pent-up investment will come to little. Businesses still have no clarity. The current state of limbo will cause multinationals to continue unwinding their manufacturing supply chains.’
        The City of London is vulnerable to Barnier’s long dream of being a tax cow to pay off the eurozone’s debts. The fisheries are likewise open to Machiavellian europlunder by regulation blackmail: these will be used as levers in getting anything like a fair deal at the end of 2020. How could Boris have set his bar so very low? His Irish solution concedes so much to the EU and Ireland that the DUP cannot stomach it: it looks suspiciously like the precursor to a united Ireland.

        https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/another-boris-choke/

  69. How MP’s that are standing Down Voted

    Conservative

    John Bercow – MP for Buckingham and Commons speaker Speaker does not vote
    Glyn Davies – MP for Montgomeryshire Against
    Michael Fallon – MP for Sevenoaks and former defence secretary Against
    Nick Hurd – MP for Ruislip, Northwood and Pinner and Northern Ireland minister Against
    Jo Johnson – MP for Orpington and universities minister. Brother of Boris Johnson Against
    Jeremy Lefroy – MP for Stafford Against
    Claire Perry – MP for Devizes Against
    Mark Prisk – MP for Hertford & Stortford Against
    Keith Simpson – MP for Broadland Against
    Caroline Spelman – MP for Meriden and former environment secretary Did Not Vote
    David Tredinnick – MP for Boswort Against
    Mark Field – MP for Cities of London and Westminster Against

    Labour

    Kevin Barron – MP for Rother Valley Against
    Ronnie Campbell – MP for Blyth Valley Against
    Gloria De Piero – MP for Ashfield and shadow justice minister For
    Jim Fitzpatrick – MP for Poplar and Limehouse Against
    Kate Hoey – MP for Vauxhall Against
    John Mann – MP for Bassetlaw Against
    Albert Owen – MP for Ynys Mon For
    Teresa Pearce – MP for Erith and Thamesmead For
    Stephen Pound – MP for Ealing North For
    Geoffrey Robinson – MP for Coventry North West For
    Stephen Twigg – MP for Liverpool West Derby For

    Lib Dem

    Vince Cable – MP for Twickenham For
    Norman Lamb – North Norfolk For

    Independents

    Guto Bebb – MP for Aberconwy and former defence minister For
    Richard Benyon – MP for Newbury Against
    Nick Boles – Grantham For
    Alastair Burt – MP for North East Bedfordshire and former Foreign Office minister Against
    Kenneth Clarke – MP for Rushcliffe since 1970. For
    Justine Greening – MP for Putney and former education secretary For
    Richard Harrington – MP for Watford Against
    Oliver Letwin – MP for West Dorset and ex-Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster For
    Sir Nicholas Soames – MP for Mid Sussex. Against
    Rory Stewart – MP for Penrith and The Border Againt
    Amber Rudd – MP for Hastings and Rye For

    Philip Hammond For
    David Gauke For
    Greg Clark Against
    Sam Gyimah For
    Stephen Hammond Against
    Steve Brine Against
    Margot James Against
    Anne Milton Did Not Vote
    Caroline Nokes Against
    Antoinette Sandbach For
    Edward Vaizey​ Against

  70. John Major has said something very creepy.
    He said many of those who voted for leave in
    the referendum 3 years ago are probably dead now so
    they’d need to be another referendum to legitimise the vote.

    Vile vile vile !!

    Leave on the 31/ 10/ 19 we must .

    1. Remainers have been saying that for years. Don’t get upset about it. A lot of them will have died too.

      1. Tempting to say a lot more remainers will die if we get our hands on them – but I’m joking, honestly 😀.

    2. If the justification for a new referendum is based upon the assumption that many who voted one way have died, then that also applies to any other democratic vote. These people just cannot accept the fact that the side they supported was outvoted, and will come up with any argument, no matter how desperate, to push for another chance to overturn a result they don’t like.

    3. I don’t understand Major’s logic. Statistically, people are living longer whilst the birth rate is falling, so the distribution will be increasingly skewed towards those with more life experience, i.e. the Leave voters. That would explain why Labour want the voting age dropped and for EU citizens to have the vote in national elections and referenda.

      1. The birth rate amongst indigenous British people is falling, but not so sure about those of immigrant origin.

        2. The birth rate of non white incomers is twice that of the natives. Hence the huge pressure on maternity services that were set up in line with predictions based on native birth rates. UK non-white 3.5 births per female, UK whites 1.5 births per female.

      2. Minor correction – the birthrate amongst those people who you *want* to be breeding is dropping. The birthrate amongst those you would rather didn’t is soaring.

      3. I think he was clutching at straws,
        birth rates in the West of those native to those countries are
        falling but that isn’t the case for those further afield or indeed
        immigrants from Africa / Middle Eastern / Asian countries.
        I always remember Sadam Hussein saying –
        ” we cannot beat the West in a war but we can beat them by
        moving into their countries and outbreeding them “.

      2. That makes all the older Leave voters who haven’t died yet mere coffin-dodgers to Major, does it? But not like Major, Clarke etc. No they are different. Vampires, perhaps?

    5. Every time I think certain scumbag politicians can’t sink any lower, they prove me wrong!

    6. He’s quite right.

      We need a major change to the voting in this country, he wants a General Election every three years, let’s do it.

  71. BREAKING NEWS – Sarajevo, Bosnia

    Turkish Government sources have revealed that in the Oct. 10 phone call between Donald Trump and Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Trump gave the green light to more than Erdoğan’s invasion of Kurdish-held portions of Syria. In a previously unreported part of the call, Trump agreed to restoration of the 1914 Ottoman Empire in return for dirt on his presidential opponent, Joe Biden,

    “A Turkish-led, restored Ottoman Empire will bring much needed stability to the Near East, isolating Iran and diminishing Russian influence in the region,” Trump told President Erdoğan.

    It is unclear how much of the 1914 empire Turkey can actually retake, but at least Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Palestine are in the crosshairs, and would not be objected to by Trump. Israel is another matter. Now having abandoned their Kurdish allies, and with Antisemitism on the rise in America, the US pledge to defend Israel may not amount to much.

    While Trump has so far only agreed to Turkey’s acquisition of those Near East areas, he is considering President Erdoğan’s proposal that Turkish re-occupation of the Balkans would bring greater stability to Southeast Europe and strengthen NATO.

    With one of the largest armies in the world, heavily supplied by the US with modern weapons and planes, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s dreams of a greater Turkey-in-Europe may soon be realised.

        2. You horror – it shows not just my naivite that I believed it, but the fact that it’s perfectly possible!

    2. Lots of fake news going around. I just heard that the U.K. would be leaving the European Union on 31st October.
      I don’t know who makes these things up.

    3. Oh great – with more EU/Turkish borders for the great unwanted to stream through into Western Europe. Turkey? Ottoman Empire? Stability???

  72. Here is a little something concerning the Contract Law, specifically in relation to one-sided variation.
    “Single-sided variations are problematic because of the doctrine of consideration. Consideration is something of value (either a benefit or detriment) given or promised by the promisee in return for the promisor’s promise. Only promises backed by valid consideration from both sides are enforceable. This is critical for present purposes because, when a party requires a single-sided variation to a contract, it is promised more or it reduces its own obligation. However, it seemingly fails to offer any consideration in return for this beneficial alteration in its own rights/duties. Therefore, the contract variation seems to lack consideration from one party, and hence be invalid.”

    https://www.law.ox.ac.uk/sites/files/oxlaw/hill_-_something_for_nothing_-_explaining_single-sided_contract_variations.pdf

  73. Header from the Sunday Times
    Harry and Meghan ‘need a break’
    Oh dear, that didn’t last long ……….

  74. Godd afternoon all. This might have been posted already … f so, apologies.

    John Bercow has ‘strayed’ from the rule of law over Brexit, deputy speaker suggests

    ” First, the way in which we make laws must not only be fair, it must be seen to be fair. The Speaker needs to be an independent anchor of our proceedings “.

    I think that we all agree that Bercow is an anchor.

    1. Is he retiring from the HoC? If so, I wonder if he will consider a career as a Merchant Banker.

    1. Just imagine the punishment that would have been handed out to Tommy R, if he had reported this .event.!

          2. Shirley, the really naughty ones have been deported, or has the Blair Witch got rich off our Legal Aid Budget to keep them here.

  77. Countryfile just starting: Matt Baker goes looking for adders in the Forest of Dean.

    Let’s hope than one gets him first.

      1. During the warmer months when I was a barn, we used to stop in the FoD for a picnic on the way to visit my grandparents in S. Wales.
        No Severn Bridge in those days.

          1. From the look of your photo, Stephen, it wasn’t just two you had – more likely one over the eight!

            :-))

        3. Ah the old Norse word for Child, Mr Viking,
          very suitable 😉 instead of old English Bearne .
          Many a time during my Childhood we crossed the
          Severn Bridge to have summer holidays with a
          favourite aunt. Fond memories.

          1. When I got to Bristol Uni, one of the first things I did was walk across the Bridge (& back).

          5. In your grandfather’s day it was probably Varsity, Peddy. Then someone expanded it to Univarsity and then reduced it to Uni.

    5. The question, though Peddy, would the adder survive biting an odious reptile like Baker

    7. There are plenty in Fingringhoe Wick and Podds Wood near Tiptree.
      Mind you, by now the adders are probably going into hibernation, so MB will be safe (dammit).

    8. There are plenty in Fingringhoe Wick and Podds Wood near Tiptree.
      Mind you, by now the adders are probably going into hibernation, so MB will be safe (dammit).

      1. ‘Blue Peter in a Field’…and if they would like to see some adders I (and others) can take them to Ashdown Forest where they won’t be disappointed.

  78. “But what more oft in Nations grown corrupt,
    And by their vices brought to servitude,
    Than to love Bondage more than Liberty,
    Bondage with ease than strenuous liberty;”

    [John Milton: Samson Agonistes]

    Why have so many people given up on a true Brexit and decided that the Boris/May surrender WA is better than nothing?

    Remember this fallacious argument ?(spot the flaw in it):

    Premise: Nothing is better than God;

    Development: Half a loaf is better than nothing

    Conclusion: Ergo – Half a loaf is better than God.

    I don’t think there are even many crumbs in Boris’s sell out let alone half a loaf..

    1. R,
      Because over the years many have never used their loaf
      in the ballot booth, hence our current state as a country.

    1. What is the point of a new election ? A new permutation of the rubbish as before, with no Lessons having been Learned ?

      1. T,
        Are you saying you are not prepared to have the current voting pattern ( the one that guarantees when you are voting for sh!te#
        parties, ) you are guaranteed sh!te results as we have seen for years, changed ?
        Surely not more nose holding , best of the worst , tactical voting,
        it cannot be, NO mass of people can be that stupid, can they ?

  80. PM has breached Benn Act, Remain campaigners likely to tell Scottish court.

    A Scottish Court, who if you believe Nicole Krankie which is anti UK and Pro EU (but still funded by Mr Barnett, is going to be like the Supreme Court and tell the PM what he can and cannot do.

    Labour led (at the moment) by a Pro IRA and ISIS traitor, whose sole aim is to destroy UK and invite in 1,000,000 more immigrants

    Lib Dum, who think batteries, iron, steel etc grow on trees and that eating meat will end the World

    SNP, lead by a midget, who hates the English with a passion, but still wants us to fund her ridiclous ideas. It will be fun when all Scottish born MPs are deselected, well how can we have MPs who are from a foreign ‘power’. With a hard border how will she get Scottish made goods into the EU. i know I will not buy any

    Berk O, the model ( a small imitation of the real thing) Speaker who lives up to the first sylla ble of his name: how he hates us

    I could go on, but have decided the only peeps fit to govern UK are the Nottlers

    1. Picking up on one point, should Labour gain power and implement freedom of movement for the entire world, a modest 1% take-up (and surely actual figure would be vastly more than this) would result in 77 million more people in this country.

      Madness.

      1. The gallows humour is that the Proper Mr Benn was one of the First Leavers.

        He voted against joining the EU and always hated it.

        OH why did we not listen to him.

        I do not think that he would agree with the actions of his son

        1. However much one disagreed with Tony Benn’s socialistic views he had more integrity in his little finger than his odious and treacherous son has in his whole body.

          1. Indeed. His very socialist politics were far from my cup of tea but at least he had his beliefs and was not swayed by opportunism. WYSIWYG!

    3. While I appreciate the sentiment, I can’t think it’d be sensible. I would be tempted to make rich people richer – and poor people richer as well by shutting down almost all of government.

      One thing that might not go down well is an absolute assault on corruption, back handers, cushy after work jobs and so on.

    4. OLT,
      I am sad and sorry at the same time there are many that are locked into the keep in /keep out mode of voting, without them we could never have got to where we are today as a nation.
      In a few weeks time I believe we will have a credible political party one that has never shown any traits of treachery towards England / GB but the complete opposite in its 27 plus year life span.

  81. Evening, all. After a Brexit-free day yesterday I have returned to the fray. Everyone I’ve spoken to is annoyed, to say the least, at remainer MPs trying to block us leaving with a clean break. One of my friends, who runs a vineyard, pointed out that their company has sold to every continent, but the country they have most trouble with is Italy, which at my last count, was in the EU.

    1. My problem with King is that it was under his watch that the regulatory changes that prepared the great crash were approved.

      1. He is excellent at sitting back and explaining what other people should do, or should have done.

        1. Knowing Carney from old, he could have pointed out to the PTB what problems employing this man would cause

      2. Eh? It was Brown and his Spad Balls who took regulation of financial institutions away from the Bank of England in 1997.

        1. True, but it was EG’s “light touch regulation” on credit and interest rates that allowed Brown’s disasterous splitting of regulation to come to full fruition (or should I say rotting). He also worked hand in glove with Ken Clarke. They allowed the Investmant banks to run riot.

          And don’t forget EG was in harness before GB started his slash and burn.
          Merv the swerv merely picked up the baton.

          1. I don’t have your know-how on the technicalities of those events leading up to the financial smash over here ( blamed on the American banks as though it was something beyond our control ), but I was sittng here on the ground watching the local events that led up to the collapse of the Northern Rock and others. The amount of dishonesty by the banks, pursuing a deliberate agenda to rush blindly ahead lending money that they didn’t have to those who could never repay it, must have been known to ” them upstairs “, and Gordon Brown’s comment after the big blow up – ” it will take us fifteen years to recover ” or similar, without any sense of responsiblity, was sick.

          2. Again, I could not agree more.

            Anyone, (who understood credit,) with any sense whatsoever should have seen what was happening.

            In the late 70’s early 80’s I was asked to review how building societies could take maximum advantage of proposed legislation to replace the Building Societies Act 1962, I wrote a long paper for my Chief General Manager that showed many of the potential gains, pitfalls and disasters.

            I was pretty accurate, as it turned out.

            One of my main observations was that lending was being done on a predication that house prices could only rise and that interest rates would stay stable at around 9 or 10% plus or minus a bit.
            I did some “quick and dirty” calculations that showed how the whole house of cards could collapse.
            The BS’s raised money in the capital markets and could not lend fast enough.

            Commeth the hour, commeth the morons.

            Building societies went PLC, banks bought them out, credit exploded, all sense of checking whether the borrowers really could repay went out the window.

            Kaboom. It all went pear shaped and the only real beneficiary was Robert Peston.

    2. Not gloomy enough.

      In a world where continual borrowing from the future seems the only tool our elite has, where is the money to come from when the door to that option slams shut?

      In other words, is infinite growth in a world of finite resources pie in the sky?

    2. It’s all PC/CP rubbish. Only a person with a penis can commit rape. Ergo including a man who wants to identify as a woman, unless (presumably) he has had his appendage removed.

      Those gits are just wanting to be in a women’s prison. Rape is penetration by “a person” with a “penis”. If that person wants to ID as female, then so long as it doesn’t change anything else (i.e. choice of prison) then let them. No doubt the inmates will take full advantage.

      No doubt it’s all to cook the statistics.

  85. A post by a different Rick

    There
    weren’t any benefits of European Union membership. Not for the working
    class taxpayers of Britain. And the Johnson Version of the
    Merkel/May/Robinson Capitulation doesn’t provide any. It’s all about how
    we’re going to keep paying Brussels and keep doing what Brussels tells
    us to do while making sure that foreign citizens have yea many rights
    that are not reciprocated for British citizens.

    This isn’t a deal.
    It’s indentured servitude for the British people. Everybody concerned
    with it is a TRAITOR. They can complain that it’s a nasty word with ugly
    connotations that might incite violence. But it’s what they are.

    1. I know the media wouldn’t like to hear me say it, but I think Trump is great and badly mis-represented here.

  88. Stephen Lawrence’s mother claims firefighters tackling Grenfell Tower blaze were ‘racist’

    What an evil baitch this woman is.

    “Had that been a block full of white people, they’d have done everything
    to get them out as fast as possible and make sure that they did what
    they needed to do,” she said, in an interview with Channel 4 News last
    week.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/20/stephen-lawrences-mother-claims-firefighters-tackling-grenfell/

      3. Simple they knock on the door of each flat and if some black answer the door they move on to the next flat untill they find someone white to rescue

    1. How does one know that those were Muslims, as opposed to black thugs whose pride had been hurt?

      2. Probably because they acted with such impunity,
        PC / Appeasement recognises no borders.
        Any thoughts on the victim ?

        1. A random video taken on a ‘phone does not say they were Muslims.
          Nasty pieces of shít?

          Yes.
          But they could equally be any religion or none.
          Trying to tack Islam on unproveable content harms your case rather than helps it.

          1. With your mindset surely to contact Jack Nichols to verify is best
            there is a link I believe.

          3. Ogga
            Have you seen this
            Sheer sabotage and we know from where.

            UKIP Leader Richard Braine is being prevented from communicating with his own members by the NEC. To get his messages email him at: richardbraineismyleader@outlook.com I ask all my followers who are UKIP members, & others interested, to do so.
            https://twitter.com/GerardBattenUK/status/1186005548426321921
            Can you get it around to as many as poss.
            You know today Farage came out backing extension.
            Just as he voted for it last time.
            Many of his callers far from happy I am told

          5. Morning EE,
            Just talking about it as I read your post, and will do, he will have my backing and permission to use my name in any future actions.

          6. If you can get that tweet and message out in your neck of the wood Ogga it would be good.
            You are a such a mate…..
            And thanks.

  90. Effing little cat brought a baby rat in the house.
    🎶Deres a rat in de house, what ammai gonna do?
    Gonna fiks dat rat dats what Ahm gonnado! 🎶
    Call for Big Cat, dats what Ahm honna do,, who falls on rodents like the sky, and finishes them.
    Problem is, the bloodied corpse at thr bottom of the stsirs… Ukk!

    2. Pick it up by the tail, if it still has one, & flush it down the loo.

      The rat, not the cat.

      1. He’s probably on a septic tank system and flushing large solids that might block the pipework isn’t generally a good idea.
        Better to use a small shovel and throw it on a compost heap.

    3. Why do they do that ?
      A neighbours cat used to leave me a offering of a dead
      mouse on the doorstep. I hate mice, it was awful.

      2. Those two flowerpot men were fanatical Serb Nationalists. They were always shouting “Slobodan Milosevic” …..

        …. I’ll get me ear trumpet ……

          2. We put plain white Limoges porcelain in our rental cottage.

            We have a few factory outlets nearby. The seconds are comparatively cheap and the reasons for rejection are very difficult to spot.

            It’s a little thing, but it makes those who notice the marks feel that the bits and pieces supplied are not just run of the mill. We even get people asking where they can get them.

            If you have not done so, I heartily recommend the porcelain museum in Limoges, a really good few hours through the history, with some marvellous pieces.

          3. Excellent idea. Not sure when, if ever, i will be in France again. Unless i get an invite. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink. :o)

            That is a nice touch for your guests. The little things do sometimes matter.

          4. The cottage is available to rent mid May to mid October.

            You could use it as a base for your annual tour-des-châteaux, buying your en primeur.

          11. Indeed.
            There are classes locally for painting the plain white porcelain and creating individual pieces, it’s a real skill, way beyond my artistic capabilities.

          12. We were given a set of Limoges crockery for a wedding present. Nearly too good to use. We still have it.
            Then for a while we haunted the junk fairs picking up Limoges pieces. Then baby came along and we couldn’t afford to be artistic any more.

          13. We have so many pieces and sets of porcelain, Worcester, Spode, Luneville, Copeland, Crown Derby, Meisen etc etc that they are becoming clutter.

            At our age, we should start selling, because our children don’t want it and we could use the money.

            What stops us is the great pleasure that we get from looking at them in their display cabinets and on various tables and shelves around the house.
            {:-((

          14. That is the attraction. Cost is irrelevant. Value is irrelevant.
            Prices paid for modern art ( the kind entitled ” Mess on a Loo Roll ) that sell for millions – if they produce visual pleasure to any normal person, then I’ve missed out on something.

          15. You and me both.
            I have a piece that I stop and look at several times a day. I marvel at the skill that went into producing it.
            I cannot imagine that I could ever look at some of the modern “art” that sells for millions, in the same way.

    1. Bryant is trying to ingratiate himself with Labour and Lib Dem MPs because he wishes to become the first homosexual Speaker. The man is a minnow and the last thing we need is an incompetent homosexual deciding the Order Paper.

      We need someone of moral integrity prepared to reinstitute our parliamentary conventions in replacing the damaging, opinionated and biased egotist Bercow. It cannot come soon enough when one considers the damage visited on our unwritten constitution by Bercow and his friends in the legal profession.

    2. Saturday’s special sitting of Parliament was a ‘Day of Infamy’ – a day of democratic sabotage. The sole achievement was Letwin’s hubristic wrecking amendment.

      How long will it take until ‘the people’ lose patience – and conduct politics ‘by other means’ ?

        1. Have you been having visits from little mischievous
          creatures from under that Norwegian bridge again
          Mr Viking ?

  98. Latest from Chile…

    Curfew in Santiago from 19.00 hrs. People afraid of a coup as when Pinochet seized power..

  99. It can be somewhat like the Waltons with the goodnights 😉

    Goodnight and tomorrow will be another day and better one hopes.

      1. Must be the lure of feather stuffed Egyptian cotton pillows,
        asleep before the owls call.

          1. Egyptian cotton is wonderful. Whilst away in Sorrento
            the hotel offered a choice of 6 different types of pillows,
            I ‘ve not experienced such choice before. Lovely place
            with breakfast on a balcony overlooking the volcano.

  102. Out of Africa. Not Meryl Streep. Harry and Megan.
    Other half watched it. I was here, waiting for one of you to say something interesting. Some hopes.
    Other half reported on Megan. ” She’s bloody useless “.
    Sounds about right.

  104. People’s vote hit by internal power struggle as leaked emails reveal apparent plot

    The People’s Vote campaign has been hit by an internal power struggle
    as leaked emails apparently reveal a plot by senior Blairites to depose
    the chairman of one of its main groups, (Traitors with in a group of Traitors, how quaint)

    The emails show attempts by Labour’s former Business Secretary Lord
    Mandelson     and former Number 10 spin doctor Alastair Campbell to seize
    control of the campaign from Roland Rudd, chair of the Open Britain, the most powerful
    group within the People’s Vote coalition.

    Some things never change

    I also resent the insinuation, that patriotic folk who voted Leave and not Peopleof the UK

    In my view, the People’s Vote umbrella should rename itself Quislings Are Us

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/20/peoples-vote-hit-internal-power-struggle-leaked-emails-reveal/

    2. Blair, Mandelson and Campbell are employing the same tactics as Hitler in his prime. They have finance from Soros, a bunch of useful idiots in the Commons including the titty Lib Dem leader charlatan Swinson, Soubry, Grieve, Hammond, Gauke, Greening, a few other non-entities and a ragbag of DUP and SNP scallywags.

      Their aim is to thwart Brexit and keep us in the EU for their own personal benefit.

      If we remain permanently shackled to the EU for any length of time we will become just another district of the greater EU, our armed forces will be given over to and subsumed by a German Force and we will be a vassal state for decades, if they have their will. Some German will occupy Blenheim and Merkel’s successor will occupy Windsor Castle and Buckingham Palace.

      The French President will most probably take residence in either The Bowes Museum or else Waddesdon Manor. His deputy will possess Wrest Park.

  106. I used to say goodnight, and then I’d reappear an hour later.

    However, good wishes for a restful sleep for all you lovely Nottlers.

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