634 thoughts on “Sunday 22 September: What Cameron’s comments on Brexit reveal about the political class”

  1. Good Morning, all

    SIR – Mr Cameron claims that the Remain case was based on logic and the Leave one on emotion.

    My recollection is that it was the other way round. A central part of the Leave argument was the self-evident fact that Britain was becoming a province of a Europe – and suspicions that this was a bad thing were confirmed by the EU’s refusal to offer Mr Cameron any meaningful reforms.

    Remainers, by contrast, denied this reality. They exploited people’s fears about leaving, and resorted to claims of racism – entirely emotional.

    Charles Pugh
    London SW10

    Remainers have continued on the same tack – BUT LOUDER.

    1. Who is financing Remainers I wonder ?

      As a former Wall Street supremo yourself, Dolly, before apparently going to live in a field, perhaps you know.. ?

  2. SIR – If it is acceptable for the Supreme Court to consider the Prime Minister’s motives in advising the Queen to prorogue Parliament, then surely, in the interests of justice, their lordships should also consider the motives of those who are bringing the case.

    John Lustig
    Earby, Lancashire

    Interests of justice??? Not here, mate.

    1. SIR – The separation of powers doctrine (legislative, executive and judiciary) helps to maintain the delicate constitutional machine in working balance. Currently, however, we have the executive as a prisoner of Parliament, which appears to be acting as a de facto government. This appears unconstitutional because the obvious answer to this stasis has been for Parliament to agree to an election (or to pass a vote of no confidence in the Government) to enable the electorate (as the source of democratic power) to determine the way forward.

      However, seemingly for reasons of political expediency, Parliament has decided that it prefers to avoid an election, and instead has kept the Prime Minister captive and taken every opportunity to undermine him.

      The Supreme Court will soon determine whether the prorogation was lawful. The justices will of course determine the matter conscientiously in the light of the applicable law. Nevertheless, it is only since 1984 that the Royal Prerogative has been considered justiciable. When considering the matters at issue, the court must have careful regard for the important balance to be maintained by the separation of powers.

      Nicholas Dobson
      Doncaster, South Yorkshire

      1. Robert Spowart 22 Sep 2019 4:27AM 34Like
        “The justices will of course determine the matter conscientiously in the light of the applicable law.”

        Methinks Nicholas Dobson is extracting the urine.
        Delete

        1. Indeed. What law is Boris alleged to have broken? I have not heard mention of any crime he is supposed to have committed. Gina Miller and John Major are effectively calling him a liar and the Justices are invited to speculate as to whether he is telling the truth or not.

          1. The only person who can confirm whether he lied or not is HM The Queen herself.
            Are the courts going to call her as a witness?

          2. Indeed. As far as I am aware, the PM has the legal right to end one Parliament and start another for the purposes of presenting a new Queen’s Speech. How are the courts meant to know if this was his real reason, and if they don’t believe it was to make a judgement as to whether his real reason was valid? This is pure speculation and going deep into the realm of judicial activism in politics. The thin end of a large and very dangerous wedge.

  5. Damning evidence on Prince Andrew could be in Russian hands: MI6. September 21, 2019

    As if Prince Andrew’s embarrassing ties to a Jeffrey Epstein “sex slave” weren’t bad enough, British spymasters now worry Russia may have obtained scandal-related “kompromat” on the randy royal.

    Incriminating evidence of the prince’s alleged 2001 tryst with then-17-year-old Epstein “slave” Virginia Giuffre could be in Russian hands, fears MI6, the British intelligence service.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2e7af7656dbd400396388209c0e65ddd92f4a250fc566018a9bb2a2e0a72a7b4.jpg

    Would that be “kompromat” like the photograph above?

    https://nypost.com/2019/09/21/damning-evidence-on-prince-andrew-could-be-in-russian-hands-mi6/

  6. Britain will impose sanctions on authoritarian regimes that arrest or intimidate dissident journalists, under foreign secretary plans. 22 SEPTEMBER 2019.

    Britain will impose sanctions on authoritarian regimes that harass and imprison dissident journalists and campaigners, as part of its role as a “good global citizen” after Brexit, Dominic Raab declares today.

    This, one assumes, will not include their Security Services burning hard drives, reporting on trials outside the courts and blockading offenders in Foreign Embassies?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/22/britain-will-impose-sanctions-authoritarian-regimes-arrest-intimidate/

  8. Morning

    SIR – David Cameron’s recent admission that he was unaware of the public’s dislike of the EU is significant.

    It demonstrates just how out of touch our politicians are with popular feeling. I find it frightening that those who hold power have so little regard for the wishes of the electorate.

    John Catchpole
    Beverley, East Yorkshire

  9. Morning again

    SIR – Men are not the only ones to have worn starched white collars (Letters, September 15).

    My nurse’s uniform in 1975 required a clean collar at the start of every shift, crisp and crackable from the laundry. The fumbled loss of a collar stud when dressing in a hurry meant that a paper clip had to be used instead.

    In the hot summer of 1976, before anyone had thought of air conditioning, we were allowed to wear our collars open and unbuckle our belts. Order was soon restored once the temperature dipped.

    Dr Gail Young
    Dundee

  10. Italy, France and Germany will look to strike migrant EU resettlment deal. 21 SEPTEMBER 2019.

    EU countries will converge on Malta on Monday in an effort to hammer out a deal under which asylum seekers who reach Europe from North Africa would be distributed and settled around the bloc.

    France and Germany are reported to be well disposed to taking a greater share of migrants and refugees who reach Italy and Malta from Libya.

    Yes and if Boris doesn’t get us out they will be coming here!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/21/italy-france-germany-will-look-strike-migrant-eu-resettlment/

      1. The first post of yours (final sentence) I’ve agreed with for some time, Polly. Too many people on here are cynics who believe the worst of our new Prime Minister. I try to keep an open mind – until proven wrong at least.

  12. I don’t know if this has been put up before but it is worth repeating. It’s a trilogy, each a medium length read and it casts major doubts on May, the Tory Party and the establishment. I’ve also included the link to the writer’s ‘Philosophy’ page.

    The Slog – How May was Installed – Defence Ties to EU – And More

    The Slog – Philosophy

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b141f74a006f349186ef5bd60d80eb04323ed2bc7825f26951f5078e4746aef2.png

      1. During the referendum, I was told by two sources (one in Washington, the other in Brussels) that the UK “would not be allowed to leave the EU”. The reason given to me was geopolitical defence considerations. I assumed they were referring to ballot rigging. When Leave unexpectedly won, I regarded the source information as almost certainly wrong.

        Thinking back to The Coward Cameron’s state of shock when the result was announced, I have suspicions that he may be wrong about ballot rigging and that the Leave victory should have been greater.

        1. I was fully prepared for Leave to lose because I thought there would be boxes of remain votes waiting to be wheeled out. That there weren’t I put down, cynic that I am, to the arrogance of the remainers that they wouldn’t be needed because they’d frighten us into remaining anyway. I am opposed to a second referendum precisely because they won’t make the same mistake again.

          1. I’m not exactly convinced, but very open to the idea that extra votes were added, but they underestimated how many they needed.

    2. I think there is a conspiracy which goes far beyond Britain. While that résumé is largely true, it doesn’t tell the whole story, it misses out crucial evidence, who is at the very top, and the ultimate objective.

    1. Good morning all.
      It got here about 6ish.
      Looking at the Rain radar we’re likely to have a break soon before the next belt reaches us in a couple of hours.

      1. Rain greatly increases the probability of sprained joints and broken bones on bouncy A&E suppliers

  17. Novichok poison victim plans to sue Russia for £1million over girlfriend’s death.. Mirror 22 September 2019.

    Dawn died aged 44 on July 8 last year, a week after Charlie, 46, unwittingly gave her a bottle of novichok, disguised as Premier Jour perfume, after he found it in a charity bin.

    He might have a bit of difficulty proving culpability with statements like that! This bottle, since it was sealed, could have played no part in the purported attack on the Skripals and thus there is no chain of even circumstantial evidence linking it to Russia.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/novichok-poison-victim-plans-sue-20138218

    2. From a Liberal perspective, Lincoln’s fine words could be turned round too:

      The thrifty have a duty to bring out prosperity. The strong have a duty to embolden the weak. The wage payer has a duty to employ the wage earner. Those who love their fellow man have a duty to forge a brotherhood. The rich have a duty to help the poor out of poverty. Those that spend more than they earn have a duty to stay out of trouble. Those who claim for themselves initiative and independence have a duty also to built character and courage. Those who do things for themselves have a duty to enable others to do likewise.

        1. What has that got to do with either Lincoln’s statement or my response?

          The whole point of both is to minimise the necessity of Government Compulsion, which relies on the competence and honour of politicians and their lobbyists.

          1. Your response calls for a personal morality with which I have no argument as with Grizz’s refutation of it. What I object to is when this becomes the political doctrine known as Socialism and becomes compulsory when enacted into Law!

          2. You point out the essential difference between Socialism and Liberalism.

            Socialism imposes personal morality by compulsion and re-education, often demanding that people become what they are not in order to escape the gulag.

            Liberalism aims to harness the natural forces of the free market and human nature, manipulating this mechanism skilfully so that it pays to act honourably, and doesn’t pay to act dishonourably. That way the less compulsion and direct Government micromanagement of one’s private affairs, the better.

          3. That isn’t modern liberalism, as promoted by the LibDems, in any way shape or form. It s more akin to old fashioned conservatism (small c)

      2. I am not a liberal, therefore I do not have any ‘duty’ to help the poor out of poverty, nor do I have a ‘duty’ to enable others to do things for themselves.

        I didn’t need any boost from elsewhere to pull up my own bootstraps; therefore I’m not prepared to pull up anyone else’s bootstraps for them.

      1. I wonder how long it will be before these academics attribute the Gettysburg Address to JFK the doughnut?

      2. It is the thought that counts though. They are very good words, even if they were spoken by another. The “Class Hatred” sentence was a bit of a giveaway. 🙂

      3. What an excellent observation:
        One of author Ralph Keyes’ axioms of misquotations is “Famous quotes need famous mouths,” and the fulfillment of that need has, for the last several decades, put on the lips of Abraham Lincoln words that were not written until more than fifty years after Lincoln’s death, penned by an obscure personage whose name is unknown to most living Americans.

  20. ‘Morning All

    We need a reset,badly,Brexit can only be the start,after gaining our Independence we need to keep the momentum going and demand the return of what were once fundamental tenets of our society.In particular

    “Equal justice for all under the law”

    A couple of stories have really ground my gears recently,we have become accustomed to the sight of Moslem gang rapists strolling into court from their bail (if they haven’t fled to whatever Shitistan that is their true home),the contrast with this is stark

    “A man has been arrested and imprisoned in Scotland for

    painting the words “Islam is questionable” on his house, in what Police

    Officers claimed was a “breach of the peace”.

    Graham Evans, who lives in Edinburgh, has just been released after 5

    weeks in prison for painting the statement on his house, after he was

    found not guilty in court.

    Mr Evans had over 10 police officers visit his home last month, who

    arrested him on the spot for “breaching the peace” by writing “Islam is

    questionable”, “Brexit” and “Leave Means Leave” on his house.

    The officers confirmed to Evans that the offending statement in

    particular was the phrase “Islam is questionable”, because it had

    ‘alarmed’ and ‘distressed’ the community.

    He was then remanded in prison for five weeks until his trial, where

    the judge agreed that his painted statement was allowed as free speech

    and that Owens had broken no laws.”

    https://kippercentral.com/2019/07/22/exclusive-man-arrested-imprisoned-for-5-weeks-for-painting-islam-is-questionable-on-his-house/

    Then there is this………

    https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1175517765941321728
    Perhaps our Parliamentarians could lead by example,Vaz has avoided the enquiry into his vile habits by claiming “illness” while lecturing,holidaying and attending conferences
    Some “illness”

    1. How can there be a “reset” if Boris is aligned with all the Davos progressive stuff including Zero 50 ?

          2. I think – think – the HTML format that the copy uses adds in all sorts of nonsense line feeds .Might be worth pasting into notepad++ and removing them?

        2. Oh, dear! :•)

          Try placing the cursor at the front of a line of text, then hit the backspace button. That should close up to the next line.

          Continue moving the cursor up, always keeping it at the front (left side) of the text before pressing the backspace button.

          Do all this before you post the comment.

          Try it, it works.

          1. ‘Morning, George, it’s what I regularly have to do with my daily ‘funnies’ which are saved in a .docx WORD file. It seems to be something to do with the ‘WordPress’ function that we are now running on.

  22. Sorry, chums, late on parade but it is Sunday. A story for today:

    Several men are in the locker room of a golf club. A mobile phone on a bench rings and a man engages the hands-free speaker function and begins to talk. Everyone else in the room stops to listen.

    Man: “Hello”

    Woman: “Hi Honey, it’s me. Are you at the club?”

    Man: “Yes.”

    Woman: “I’m at the shops now and found this beautiful leather coat. It’s only $2,000; is it OK if I buy it?”

    Man: “Sure, go ahead if you like it that much.”

    Woman: “I also stopped by the Lexus dealership and saw the new models. I saw one I really liked.”

    Man: “How much?”

    Woman: “$90,000.”

    Man: “OK, but for that price I want it with all the options.”

    Woman: “Great! Oh, and one more thing… I was just talking to Janie and found out that the house I wanted last year is back on the market. They’re asking $980,000 for it.”

    Man: “Well, then go ahead and make an offer of $900,000. They’ll probably take it. If not, we can go the extra eighty-thousand if it’s what you really want.”

    Woman: “OK. I’ll see you later! I love you so much!”

    Man: “Bye! I love you, too.”

    The man hangs up. The other men in the locker room are staring at him in astonishment, mouths wide open.

    He turns and asks, “Anyone know whose phone this is?”

      2. Terrific, thank you.
        I met one of those 21 years ago and a great job he did as I’m still here to tell the tale.

    1. Japan is a major importer of Scotch.
      How that can be, with them not being in the EU, I don’t know.

  27. I know the “Black Dog” all too well,can I just say how uplifting it was to see so many NoTTLer’s spring to support one of our own who is struggling

    1. People who haven’t experienced it themselves have no understanding. Saying things like pull your socks up or as Lottie said ‘get out more’ shows the depth of their ignorance. Nothing works.

    1. At a technical level, the earth *is* getting warmer.

      This is inevitable, same as a room gets warmer with more people in it. If those people then start moving about, even more heat is generated until you need to open a window to cool down.

      With more people we get more cities, more concrete, more energy used, more power produced. That’s the basic physics.

      However: inviting the third world to live here (as these Lefties want to) just adds more heat and more resrouce useage, so they’re hypocrites twice over.

      Shutting down our economies won’t make a jot of difference. Building windmills makes this worse – as those are so utterly inefficient and ecologically damaging yet the Left are in love with these destructive monuments to folly.

      The real polluters just won’t listen. Why should they? What we should be researching is recycling plants, super tech like nano technology, robotics (for waste sorting and reclamation) and sensible next generation fuels like fusion or hydrogen.

      In fact, the precise and exact opposite of what our government is currently urinating our money into.

    3. No wonder children have stopped smiling .. in fact hardly anyone smiles these days .. People have so much in material wealth, nice cars , homes , clothes , phones , hairstyles , makeovers, perfumed bodies , smart talk, but NO one actually exchanges a smile , apart from a much older generation .

    4. Young children need no lessons in “self-stimulation” – they do it anyway. And by the age of four or five they know it’s inappropriate in company.

    1. Didn’t Trump say something like ‘if you don’t like it here, then feel free to go there and do some good?’

    2. It is about time some one had a pop at irresponsible priapic black men who abandon their families , and who cast their seed far and wide.. all the single black women who bring children up on their own who are probably part of the stabby stabby coke snorty drug scene , who are creating wars within wars in ghettos who find it difficult to cast off chip on the shoulder hate!

    3. We’ve paid enough reparations. It’s called Foreign Aid. Africa has received £/$billions and what have they done with it?

      1. Increased theiir populations to unsustainable levels; made their despots even wealthier than before; decimated wildlife by bushmeat poaching; sold out to China.

        1. I really hope that the Africans get to realise what real slavery is, under the Chinese. No mercy there. And don’t come here whingeing.

    5. So does she also support the idea that the descendants of the Barbary pirates should pay compensation to the Icelanders, Irish and British? How about Omani slavers? The Vikings and Romans??? And she seems to have forgotten … The Royal Navy established the West Africa Squadron at substantial expense in 1808 after Parliament passed the Slave Trade Act of 1807. The squadron’s task was to suppress the Atlantic slave trade by patrolling the coast of West Africa. More at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Africa_Squadron

      1. Sixty years we patrolled the Atlantic. We lost 17,000 sailors and it cost us a fortune.
        Meanwhile the descendants of slaves, in the UK and elsewhere, enjoy freedom, social benefits, free education and unlimited opportunities. They should pay us.

      2. The RN effort off East Africa in the Indian Ocean, where one of my several times Great Uncles was killed boarding an Arab slaving dhow, seems to get little notice compared to the earlier Wast African effort.

        The anti-slaving effort led to an expansion of the British Empire when we took control of several areas either to stop the trade or, especially on the East coast, in response to pleas from local tribal leaders for protection against the slavers.

  34. Global Britain is leading the world as a force for good. DOMINIC RAAB. 21 SEPTEMBER 2019.

    This week, I will join the Prime Minister in New York, where he is leading the UK delegation to the United Nations’ annual General Assembly. As we make progress in our Brexit negotiations, we are also taking our vision of a truly Global Britain to the UN – leading by example as a force for good in the world.

    Morning everyone. Is this that same UK that helped initiate the Iraq and Libyan wars? That supplies Saudi Arabia with weapons to bomb Yemen; one of the poorest countries on Earth? That runs a covert program to overthrow the secular government of Syria? The quasi Police State where the MSM is a propaganda tool that reflects only those views that are approved by the Political Elites? That suppresses enquiries into their own actions? That finances and organises mobs to attack political opponents and approves of people being forced out of their jobs for having the “wrong” opinions? That is corrupting its own children with lessons in sexual perversion? That is silent when they are raped and abused? That intimidates large swathes of the public from expressing their views by fear of the thought police?

    That UK?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/21/global-britain-leading-world-force-good/

    1. A merry morning, Minty

      Most of us prefer to smell the coffee rather than sniff the rank stench of the sewer that has enswamped our once fine country.

    2. The B.B.C. are of course supporting the Democrats – wot, our famously impartial BBC, taking sides – Shirely Knot?

    1. Yes. Long ago when I “played” the referee just blew his whistle, and did not attempt to coach players. Nigel Owen is another one. Our group have duff referees. The England ref seems to be exemplary.

    1. Oh, well said. You’ve compacted into 1 minute and 27 seconds what most NoTTLers have been opining about the Illiberal Undemocratics in general and the Swine-ton in particular.

  40. There are just a handful of Conservative MPs completely committed to Brexit: Steve Baker, Mark Francois, John Redwood, Bill Cash, Owen Paterson, Richard Drax and Esther McVey to mention a few of them.

    Reading in today’s papers of most of the dire actions of those who despise the British electorate and are terrified of a general election leads me to suggest that the above MPs should take action in face of the risk that Boris will try to pass off May Surrender Mark 2 as a proper Brexit.

    If Boris Johnson is not prepared to make an electoral pact with Nigel Farage in order to secure a proper Brexit then these MPs should resign their parliamentary seats and stand again in a by election on the Brexit Party ticket.

    At the very least it would shame those who have betrayed their electors by changing party without seeking re-election.

    1. The problem there is that there would be that many fewer MPs in parliament to vote against a WA PD that had been tweaked very slightly or worse still a withdrawal of article 50.. I believe they can’t vote if they have resigned.

      It might be very worthwhile if we are forced into an extension beyond 31 October.

      As to shaming the others; can I have some of what you’re taking?

    1. Very likely. We have been beaten by Samoa in the past, and by Japan. Russia look solid rather than spectacular and may run out of puff.
      Ireland will go through with AN Other. Either Japan or Scotland with the bonus points deciding, would be my guess. But Samoa may surprise us.

    3. This doesn’t sound quite right –

      “My girls a Yorkshire boy, Yorkshire through and through

      My girl’s a Yorkshire boy

      Eh by gum, he’s champion

      Though he’s a factory lass, and wears no fancy clothes

      I’ve a sort of a Yorkshire relish for my transie Yorkshire Rose.”

    4. It is usually the parents pushing this sort of thing. A child of 3 does not even understand gender

    5. This child should be given to foster parents to raise. You can almost hear the conversation echoing from the future.

      “Mummy. I’m 40 and all alone. I am a woman as I have been all along. None of those people I have been close to wanted “marriage” because they said it is not real. So here I am by myself. Are you happy mummy? Nurse, I’m ready. Turn off her life support machine.”

      The amount of pain and suffering this woman is storing up for her GIRL is totally avoidable by anyone with an ounce of common sense.

      1. There was one of this several months ago where the parents bought a boy up as a girl. He was for whatever reason taken away from the parents and quickly reverted to being a boy

    6. Next week it will be Chapter 2. His/Her mum will become a Transman. Chapter 3 will be a big story in OK magazine of Tranaman gives birth to a baby girl

    7. Doesn’t tell us when she/he/it has the willy and balls remodelled and the intensive course of hormone therapy starts. I wonder how happy ‘Luna’ will be then. Probably go into orbit.

    1. I don’t see what is ‘brave’ about knowingly exposing oneself to contracting a disease which in his case was probably transmitted sexually.

    3. Calling the actions of celebrities who have this disease “brave” just because they tell people shows how devalued that word has become. At least in their empty world of stuff-and-nonsense. In the world that real people live in, we can still recognise true bravery when we see it.

      Eight or nine years ago there was a documentary on one of the many war zones around the world, and there was a 15 year-old on crutches. He had had a leg taken off from stepping on a landmine. He was amazingly down to earth about it.

      He said: “My life is over now. With one leg I will not marry and will need help from the kindness of others. So I do the only thing I can. I go to schools where there are young children and I show them my leg and tell them my story. I make sure they know how important it is to look at the ground when you are walking in the country. So that it does not happen to them.”

      That brought a tear to your eye watching him talk and then hobble off. There are some amazing people out there.

  46. The “fake news media” is part of the “international collusion” Nigel Farage referred to in his European Parliament speech, where he said “billions have been spent… to undermine the nation state”…….

    Donald J. Trump

    @realDonaldTrump

    “The Fake News Media nowadays not only doesn’t check for the accuracy of the facts, they knowingly make up the facts. They even make up sources in order to protect their partners, the Democrats. It is so wrong, but they don’t even care anymore. They have gone totally CRAZY!!!!”

  47. Gary Lineker has offered to take BBC pay cut

    More like he new he was going to be offered a new contract at a lower free so got i first as it might help with the negotiations

    Who an earth at the BBC thought it was sensible to offer him almost £1.8M beats me. Now that Chis Evens has left the BBC that leaves Linker on a pay rate of almost 3 times the next highest one. Sensibly he should be offered no more than about £700K

    1. Sensibly… £700K.

      Blinkin heck. However, I suppose that’s what the market offers, that’s his worth. I don’t fund the BBC so have no right to complain but the BBC is NOT a market. It’s a monopoly.

      1. Not really worth that but going on Graham Norton being on £600K plus I went for that. They are still over paid though

    3. With Linekar’s outspoken criticism of Brexit, and his “shame” at his country for voting for an idea as stupid as Leaving the EU, he should be given a tuppenny bag of chips and pushed out the door. He should feel grateful to get even those.

  48. Jeremy Corbyn has sought to play down divisions within his top team after one of his closest aides said he would quit and criticised the party’s leadership.
    Andrew Fisher’s exit comes after a failed bid to oust deputy leader Tom Watson, as Labour conference begins.

  49. How many Labour voters still support what goes as Labour now. It seems to be almost 3 separate parties non of which are traditional Labour

    1. All my life I’ve seen Labour do nothing but hike taxes, encourage millions to live here of no economic worth, rack up trillioons (well over 12 trillion of the national debt is Labour’s miserable 10 years of ‘government) and then break the banking system and have the temerity to blame the Conservatives for the mess they’ve created.

    1. That’s a real man’s job and needed a real man’s bar of chocolate to keep you going. The tooth-snapping Yorkie bar. Although he would be arrested for that look on his face at 30 seconds. I’d be cautioned for saying it’s a man’s job these days. What a world these feminazi’s have tried to create for us. Fortunately they are in the minority and real women don’t take their silly ideas any more seriously than men do.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0l5aH7RbVo

        1. We have a woman truck driver in Pigeon Street. She is Clara the long distance lorry driver.

      3. That’s the first time I’ve seen that ad – I now have a better understanding of the NTNoCN sketch that I see someone has kindly posted again (above/below) . Not that it was necessary to have seen the ad to be amused by the sketch.

  51. Have just watch 11 clinically obese players in white play against 11 clinically obese players in red and run around for 40 minutes. England leading .

          2. It was a good trip on a luxury 5* cruiser, but galloping along platforms & climbing in to & out of railway carriages sure knackered my legs. I had wheelchair assistance at Brussels & St Pancras on the way home.

            Budapest illuminated at night & seen from the river is an amazing sight.

          3. Glad you got some help at the stations on the way home……. was there no help earlier during the trip?
            I hope you weren’t too exhausted to enjoy the cruise.

  52. Thomas Cook customers will not be stranded, vows Raab

    If it were a package they would be protected by the various schemes,. If flight only by travel insurance if they had it or if paid by credit card that should cover it

    Once at risk as well might be those that book flights after it was know Thomas Cook were at risk and took out insurance as the insurance policy may not cover it

      1. Only really the first day of the Conference and the party seems to be tearing itself a part. There is a power struggle by the various faction in the party

        1. Now is the time for a real ‘hardline’ Brexiter urging fo a WTO deal to emerge as the new Labour leader. That might put the fear of God into the Conservatives.

    1. Do you remember when the English hooker, Cockerell, wandered amongst the New Zealand team mocking them while they did their primitive dance.

      Cockerell was accused of being ‘disrespectful’ – but why should he respect those who were trying to intimidate the opposition.

      In my view the Haka should be banned – it is unsporting and boorish..

      1. “In my view the Haka should be banned – it is unsporting and boorish.”

        Completely disagree, Rastus.

        The Haka (and it equivalents) are part of the Polynesian psyche and bring another dimension of entertainment to the game. I love watching it.

        1. …as is the Islamic cultural psyche of throwing apostates and queers off the highest roof to be found – all part of the cultural entertainment.

          Next week, we’ll study the African psyche of blaming the white west for their abysmal way of life, including the uplifting machete disembowelling and the recently invented East London Stabby, stabby dance.

          3. That is nicely summed up. It took me watching several lectures by different historians who have direct experience of islam to realise the size of the threat and what it really means. We can live in (mostly) peace with Hindu’s, Sikh’s, Jews, Wiccans, almost any other faith, and have done for centuries. Islam is the only one that attacks all of the others, and itself as well, in its unending drive for domination. It is the closest thing to satanism there is, short of getting down and actually hailing santa himself.

            (I have an aversion to typing the word satan after the word hail, so it is Santa to the rescue once again. 🙂

            Still it is a Sunday, and there is a beautiful world out there. So I am not going to think of that problem any more today.

      3. Rugby Union is no longer a sport in the old-fashioned Corinthian sense. It is a sector of the entertainment business. So the antics of management and players should not be viewed thorough old-fashioned spectacles. The investment company CVC owns a chunk of the Premiership in England. Referees such as Wayne Barnes are employed by the Premiership ( so no red card for players who put bums on seats).
        CVC is planning to buy the Six Nations championship. CVC can then sell it to pay-TV channels. The Haka makes as much sense as flares, lights, loudspeakers, bands and cheerleaders. Shaking hands after a match now makes no sense at all.

    2. It is possible that the few “men” who are left at the BBC, ITV, Channel 4, Sky etc. that are allowed to take part in the News or Sports broadcasting, may well be the type who like looking at beefy men crouching in shorts and slapping themselves about a bit.

      I’m not sure if they have changed the job description yet to ban white heterosexual males, but it must be in a memo on someones desk. Unless they need a few “token straights” every now and then.

  55. Iran says it will destroy any aggressor as tensions build in Gulf. Sun 22 Sep 2019.

    Iran has threatened to pursue and destroy any aggressor, and says war may be unavoidable in the wake of drone attacks on Saudi Arabian oilfields and a US troop build-up in the Gulf.

    A day after the head of Iran’s elite Republican Guards said on state TV that “limited aggression will not remain limited,” the Iranian foreign minister told American network CBS that he was not confident that war could be avoided, while again denying Iranian involvement in the attacks on Saudi Arabia.

    Iran is faced with the same dilemma that confronted the Japanese just prior to WW2! To accept the sanctions imposed by the United States and surrender or to fight in the hopes that something will intervene to prevent the inevitable response. I think that if I were an Ayatollah (not the first time I’ve been accused) that I would choose to fight since defeat without conflict would undermine the very foundations of the State.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/22/iran-says-it-will-destroy-any-aggressor-as-tensions-build-in-gulf

  56. SIR – Australia is one of a number of countries where cancer survival rates are better than those in Britain.

    This could be because it has a better funding system, whereby the government encourages those who can afford it to take out private health insurance and requires some of those in the state system to pay up to 25 per cent of their doctors’ bills. Contrast this with Britain, where a 60-year old on a six-figure salary gets free prescriptions.

    We cannot continue with a funding system where everything is free for everyone all the time. There must also be a change in attitudes towards those who go private and remove themselves from NHS waiting lists.

    Dr Michael Pegg
    Esher, Surrey

    Australia is a switched-on country on so many levels. They are valid proof that you do not need to breed (or import) millions upon millions of people to have a strong economy. A country of 3,000,000 miles² with a population of 25,000,000 is wealthier, per capita, than the UK which is 94,000 miles² with a burgeoning population of 66,000,000.

    Moreover, if Tony Abbott was available for election to PM in the UK parliament, I, for one, would vote for him.

          4. Goodness me! I never thought I had that influence on a fellow nottler. Only last night did I mention deep-fried pillock with chips and mushy peas.

            I don’t know what those little brown things are, but I do hope your manhood’s still intact!

          6. I’m nearly out of last-year’s supply. I shall make another large jarful in early November in time for Christmas.

          8. Certainly, Paul (no “non-foodies” will ever censor me!).

            Peel 500g small pickling onions and place them onto a large tray. Cover them with sea salt and leave in a cool place for 24 hours (no longer).

            Pour 600ml of malt vinegar into a pan with 100g granulated sugar, 1 TBSP of black peppercorns, 2 tsp mustard seeds and 1 tsp coriander seeds. Bring to the boil then remove from the heat to cool down overnight.

            The next day rinse the salt off the onions and place them into a large sterilised glass jar. Top up the jar with the vinegar solution ensuring that all the onions are covered. Seal the jar and place in a cool dark place for at least six weeks to mature.

          9. My method is a bit simpler.
            Peel a quantity of onions
            Place in a large jar, add a strong brine & leave them overnight
            Drain and wash and place in suitable sized jars
            Add a quantity of whatever pickling spice I have to hand*
            Fill jar with vinegar
            Leave for a couple of months, the longer the better.

            *I use ready made up “pickling spice” from one of two sources, one in the old Market in Derby and the other from a shop in Ashbourne.

            For pickled red cabbage slice the cabbage into reasonable sized bits, pack into suitable jars primed with the spices and add vinegar.

            When the pickles are consumed, I do not throw out the vinegar but retain it to use when making chutneys. Of which, sadly, I will not be making much as I’ve next to no apples on my tree.

          10. I reckon that the thinking behind boiling the vinegar with the spices first is to ensure a better infusion. My parents used to use your method (but my method of salting), but they were a bit on the shy side when it came to spices!

            Apples are no problem in this part of the world, it is the orchard of Sweden. There are so many no one ever bothers to go scrumping. :•)

          12. That plate of food was long-consumed before you made your utterance.

            The chips were made from home-grown Maris Pipers, which were still underground 30 minutes before I took this photograph. I soaked the dried peas in the morning and “mushed” them in the afternoon. The pickled onions were last year’s crop. The cod was fresh from the coast and the crisp and dry batter is my own recipe. They were fried in home-rendered beef dripping, which adds sumptuous flavour and is a dry and healthy form of frying (ask any chip-shop owner in Yorkshire) and not greasy like frying in oil is.

            The weak imported version of Wychwood Hobgoblin (3·5% ABV) is watered down to satisfy the nanny-state liberals of Sweden. It still tastes delicious, though.

          14. Can you not get the full-strength version of Hobgoblin in Systembolaget? I know that Swedish supermarkets are limited to 3.5% by the state monopoly.

            Oh, and snus, being illegal in most of the rest of the EU, is labelled as ‘chocolate’ to ease the EU’s conscience. “Conscience?” I hear you say, “What conscience?”

          15. I can get a full strength version of a few beers, mainly Swedish ones, in the Systemgulaget, but I’ve not found any Hobgoblin of that strength yet. I’m guessing that Wychwood only supply the pissy version for the Swedish market.

          20. Funny you should mention plums and damsons, Elsie. Last week I made a batch of damson chutney. Today I’m making a plum crumble (crumbles don’t get better than this) and some curried chutney which included plums, apples, onions, garlic and ginger.

    1. Are you sure that’s Gerard Batten? Sounds just like the bitter & twisted, manufactured, fake news, hysteria favoured by Globalists, EUphiles, remaniacs etc.

      1. Catherine Blaiklock is the brexit group founder / director.
        Her words in the interview under no duress from Gerard Batten.
        Wipe the foam from your lips and listen to the link fully.

        1. The only ‘explosiveness’ existed in the duplicitous, hysterical leftard style headline and the duplicitous, hysteria ridden questioning by Globalist lackey David Vance. And in believing GB questioned Blaiklock it’s clear that you never listened to the interview.

          1. I would say without doubt that the Catherine Blaiklock summary was a mushroom cloud in the explosive department , there again you do not do facts.

      2. It is that mysterious “David Vance” person (that few have ever heard of) popping up again with another outright attack on The Brexit Party. That is twice in a week. Someone on the globalist team has obviously seen the real polling numbers and is clearly very scared of the Brexit Parties chances of doing well and taking us fully out of the European Union. When we have a chance of actually leaving then the real media attacks begin.

        I am surprised that Ogga1 is promoting the comments of such an obvious globalist shill.

        I know – “Lets all talk about islam before we leave the EU. That will make sure we drive away everybody who believes the media’s “Religion of Peace” smokescreen and make sure we never actually get out!” That displays the intelligence of a Momentum supporter.

        1. Afternoon MM,
          Could you be a tad clearer on my input I practise freedom of expression & speech
          tough that you seem to disagree.
          It does not alter the fact that that is
          Catherine Blaicklock founder / director of the brexit group being interviewed by a political journalist.
          No gun to her head, under no duress, did you actually listen to the link.

        2. MM,
          Fairs fair, it does seem to me to be the
          founder / director of the brexit group Catherine Blaiklock who is doing the attacking, have you listened to the link, really ?
          Please also explain “religion of peace smokescreen”
          As for your intelligence rating as a momentum supporter where does that enter the equation ?.

          3. Evening EE,
            I put a link to it early doors.
            That is from the founder / director Catherine
            Blaiklock although others are being blamed ie Gerard Batten / David Vance etc,etc.

          6. So much for the man who has damaged and been a UKIP embarrassment for years.
            Attacking Gerard and Richard for supporting Tommy and opposing islam.
            Interesting.
            Tommy is at least standing up for the raped and abused Girls – he as never been accused of greed and accepting bribes.
            So who let Hamilton in – Farage I believe.
            So now we know who is still the agent of his former boss I guess.
            He has caused enormous trouble in UKIP Wales….

            The tories were well rid.

        3. “David Vance used to be disgusted but now he tries to be amused! Editor of BiasedBBC.org and ATangledWeb.org, he has appeared on all forms of legacy media but has had enough of that! In the battle for truth and liberty, he prefers the front line. Join our fight back here on AltNewsMedia and subscribe to the platform.”

          There was a tweet from a BP MEP the other day that garnered a lot of criticism, because he was promoting a charity set up by Majid Majid, the previous Sheffield Mayor, now also an MEP. The charity was to support the “rescue” of “refugees” in the Mediterranean. Those criticising were saying that if he was in the Brexit Party, and that was BP policy they wouldn’t be voting for them.
          Farage has said in the past couple of days that UKIP was taken over by the far right (not true, and no evidence for that). As a caller to his show also called Priti Patel and JRM “far right”, which he did not challenge, the “far right” description has become meaningless, and one could conclude that UKIP is as far right as the Tories…
          He’s also said something else that was a lie, which I can’t think of right now, but will share as soon as it comes to me.
          As for Islam in this country, there are those that think it’s actually the greater threat. We can gain our independence from the EU and within a few decades become an Islamic country, and lose our personal freedom.
          Farage was not reticent about criticising Islam until about 18 months ago, now steers well clear of the whole topic. He’s called others far right for criticising it, but they’ve said nothing that he himself had done in the past.

          He’s a great front man. But I don’t trust him.

          1. lms2 – Yes I was aware of all of that, but I think Farage is the only serious chance that we have of leaving the EU in the next 5 years. Gerard Batten is addressing the bigger problem of islam – which is clearly the biggest threat to our continued existence as a “Western Democracy” – but the public WILL NOT listen to that message yet. Anyone talking openly about it will crash their party. There needs to be far more examples of what islam really is before the people wake up.

            Look at the individuals on this channel – they are clearly of above average intelligence (that is not creeping, I am trying to make a point here), but it is proving difficult to get some of them to see the need to vote for The Brexit Party instead of Remainer Conservatives as a way to get out of the EU. Some will vote Conservative no matter what, and this could doom our country to far more bloodshed than is needed. Some Conservatives are good and are still real ones, and I would vote for Redwood for example if I was in his seat.

            UKIP now is facing the bigger threat of islam which will make them unelectable. This is a sad fact of life and we do not have time to faff about waiting for 10 years for islam to make its move and for UKIP to be seen as relevant. We must get out of the EU now to make the hard times ahead as painless as possible.

            In my considered opinion, Nigel Farage will not talk about islam because it would also kill The Brexit Party. This is a very wise thing to do now. We must get out of the EU first. There are clearly people in the media who are trying to set Farage up, and this shows that they also see him as a threat and UKIP as no longer relevant, apart from a way to take votes from TBP.

            All of the UKIP staff down here are voting for The Brexit Party. You must have seen the party emails over the past few days. I want my country to be free again and so do they. UKIP cannot do it for at least another 10 years. We do not have that kind of time.

            Good luck to us all. 🙂

          2. I’m not so sure that this channel is part of the “media” as such, or about undermining the Brexit party. If what’s said in this podcast is true, it needs to be said. I have had severe doubts about Farage for a long time, and I used to be very supportive. I totally want Brexit, but one of the main reasons for wanting Brexit was control of our borders.
            I agree with what Catherine Blaiklock is saying, that immigration is the biggest immediate threat – and the growing threat of Islam is part of that.
            If we even get Brexit, it doesn’t look like the Tories will do anything about it – Johnson is very relaxed about it, and was talking about granting amnesty to illegal immigrants. Our country as we know it will be destroyed. I’d hoped that the Brexit Party would be an answer, but it looks like it will be no different from any of the others.

          3. I hear what you are saying, but the time has gone for wishful thinking. How long did it take for Nigel to take UKIP from the beginning to where it was? 25 years? We do not have that time. We will be fighting a very dark war of survival by then if we do not get control of our borders. I cannot put it any more bluntly – UKIP has no chance for years, and none at all if the NEC complete their job of destruction.

            (Btw – it was David Vance who I noticed has attacked Farage twice this week in an attempt to damage our chances of leaving. I know nothing of that channel the comment was from.)

            I have backed Gerard all of the way and was appalled at how he has been “levered” out of influence by the NEC. But if he keeps attacking TBP and Farage, then Batten will lose much of the support that he still has. He will just be a guy out taking a walk with a handful of meaningless votes. Catherine – starting a party from scratch again, there is no time. If Farage does let us down then this country is screwed. It will be time to dig the bunkers and get the supplies in. At least with him and the likes of Redwood, there is a chance. Without them there is none.

        4. As far as I’m concerned, ogga1 is not a UKIP supporter or Brexiteer at all. The use of “Brexitexit” is the Freudian slip that gives away it’s deeply held anti Brexit sentiments. It also professes unequivocal support for a leader / party that it knows has little chance of any achievement whilst doing all it can to denigrate The Brexit Party and other genuine Brexiteers who do have a good chance of getting Brexit over the line.

          1. I must admit, even from the days that I was still able to comment on Breitbart with this account, Ogga1’s comments were screaming “Labour troll pretending to be a Brexiteer.”

            Their comments with the “Ogga says: Have you joined UKIP yet?” at the end of every one of them looked designed to drive people away from the party. Their “style” of commenting also stood out as a troll. Never shutting up and always either deliberately misunderstanding what other people said, or constantly ending comments with a question.

            These are standard left-wing troll attributes designed to waste peoples time with unending discussions that go nowhere.

            This is why I implored them not to join The Brexit Party if UKIP ceases to exist. After all they have typed about TBP, we will know for sure that they are just a troll if they suddenly start pretending to defend them.

            So many people in the last 2 years have left comments telling them to stop talking online if they want Brexit. If Ogga1 really wanted this country to be free of the EU then they would have stopped long ago.

          2. Several times I’ve recommended ogga1 & it’s stable mate emilyenso to better serve Brexit by switching their allegiance to remain. They’re both pro EU trolls deliberately disrupting all Brexit support.

  58. John Redwood highlights a move by the establishment to negate any financial benefit from a clean break from the EU. There can be little doubt that the ‘deep state’ will attempt to frustrate the UK becoming successful in the event of the UK gaining its freedom.
    We have been fighting continental despots for centuries and have successfully beaten them off even when treasonous behaviour was endemic in some areas of society. Treason appears to be endemic again within society but now they revel in their behaviour and no longer try to keep it secret.

    The Treasury and OBR may want to paint a different picture. I read that they wish to suddenly introduce a £12bn non cash charge as an item of public spending to allow for student loans that may not be repaid. The Student loans scheme was first introduced in 1999 for tuition fees, was beefed up in 2004 when Labour trebled the tuition charge, and increased substantially again when the Coalition after 2010 put through a further trebling in tuition fees. All the time we have been in the EU seeking to get debt and deficit down in accordance with EU Maastricht criteria the Treasury has not thought it necessary to make early provision for possible loan losses. All of a sudden to coincide with the PM’s stated exit date from the EU they decide they need to introduce an extra spending line item at exactly £12bn, roughly the amount of our net budget contributions to the EU. If was as if they wanted to say to Leave voters who want to spend that money on our priorities, we will make it vanish away even though nothing real changes for the student loan scheme the day we leave the EU.

    ========================================================================================================================BTL

    formula57
    Posted September 22, 2019 at 6:13 am | Permalink

    So “… as if they wanted to say to Leave voters who want to spend that money on our priorities, we will make it vanish away even though nothing real changes…”, more evidence of quislings in the Treasury. The UnBrexit Activities Committee will be busy!

    Ian Wragg
    Posted September 22, 2019 at 6:08 am | Permalink

    Surely it’s for the PM and his Chancellor to instruct the Treasury as to their wishes. It strikes me as Hammond is still influencing their decisions.

    Nig l
    Posted September 22, 2019 at 6:35 am | Permalink

    Indeed. Yet again though if you believe the leaks the Chancellor has been got at.

    1. “It strikes me as Hammond is still influencing their decisions.”
      Don’t forget it took Cummings to remove one of Hammond’s leaky SPADs from her continuing role…

  59. Good morning thinkers .

    The air smells fresh, its is drizzling with rain, the sparrows are making a din , enjoying a bathe and a very extreme Iron Man contest is taking place in this area today .. How people have that sort of energy heaven only knows .

    The full event involves a swim of 1.2 miles in Weymouth Bay, a cycle ride of 56 miles around the countryside, and then a run on the final stretch of 13.1 miles.

    Around 2,750 athletes took part in last year’s challenge.

    Many roads are closed today .. the cycle and running route are close to here

    https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/17918980.live-updates-athletes-tackle-ironman-70-3-triathlon-weymouth/

    Politics aside , life goes on.

    We should ignore the huddled squabbling politicians , whose determination to muck Britain up will never ever succeed , these politicians who have created levels of stress through out the country and indeed on these pages , can be shaken off..

    2. It is good to get out and take exercise. It gets the blood flowing and clears the mind. But some people can take it a bit far.

      There is one particular coastal path near me which is beautiful and leads up to an old “light tower” that would have a fire at the top to aid boats in finding their way after dark many moons ago. No roads lead to it and the path stops short of the hill that it is on. The hill itself is exceptionally steep, more vertical than a staircase. I tend to stop for a breather when I get to the top. 🙂

      I did look back with binoculars one day and saw a tiny figure jogging along the path a good mile away and I thought he was mad to choose this route. Several minutes later, as I was continuing along the coastal path, he ran past me. The madman had managed to run up this hill and was still going. Some people are keen. 🙂

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/413ce6ed2b12a5eca7f9b9033c8805bc9876e34a88a6ae20422b69e96fa9a05e.jpg

      1. Apparently you can get addicted to running. It’s the adrenaline. Not, I have to admit, a problem I am ever likely to have, being built more for comfort than speed 🙂

    1. Liberalism – definition: Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed, and equality before the law. Those tenets were famously used by the colonists in the US to reject “royal tyranny”.

      Would you disagree with that?

      1. I would not disagree with a dictionary definition; however, so-called ‘Liberal’ political parties do not follow that creed.

    1. Shurely shome mishtake, Grizzly. I thought that the Mauretania was sunk by a U-boat some years ago!

      :-))

          1. I’m not having much luck with trees today, Elsie.

            Incidentally, if you look closely at the picture, you’ll notice Peter Brady at the elm.

  64. Just switched on the wireless (BBC Radio 2). That was a mistake, I should have known better! Immediately my ears were assailed by that monotone nīgger ranting, accompanied by the repetitive ‘tribal’ beat, that seems to pass for music these days. Disgracefully, the BBC are putting out more and more of this shīte every day. Whatever happened to ‘easy listening’ light music?

    Switched off the wireless – thank God for online streaming!
    :¬)

    2. That should have been the last few moments of the Elaine Page Show which is usually ‘easy listening’. Now it’s Johnnie Walker’s Sounds of the ’70s – also easy listening except when he’s interviewing the dreadful Susie Quattro as he is now.

    4. Was it rap..

      Years ago I was ticked off by my youngest sister for fiddling around on the family radio ( I was staying in SA pre Mandela) all I wanted was to pick up a BBC prog, .. but instead had tuned into a jumble of jungle music .. the radio programmes were a vast array of diversity , mumbo jumbo as well as Afrikaans , English, Indian etc and a few others ..

      Here we are in Britain .. guess what , more Radio cackle and crap .. and I sometimes do not feel connected with the codswallop that is broadcast . I find Gardeners Question time reliable and consistent, and some programmes in the afternoon , but I do worry.. It is like going through a town you haven’t visited for a while and wonder where the hell you are!

      2. Rap music was devised for a purpose.

        Those who now control our lives—the globalist corporations, the EU, the bankers, the Leftist establishment, et al,—who want to close down independent schools, and encourage generations of sheeple who are thick, moronic and compliant to their wishes (you’ve seen the interim result with the schoolchildren going on “strike”), promote the playing of Rap [no silent ‘C’] music to further addle the brains of the masses.

        The tuneless dirge of loud, repetitive drum-and-bass beats, accompanying shouted pornographic and violent mantras, numbs the tiny minds of those listening to it so they are more receptive to Big Brother propaganda. It evidently works.

        A few decades back, i.e. in the days before we were sold off to the EU, music was catchy and tuneful with memorable lyrics and hummable melodies. people had good grace, impeccable manners and etiquette, and we freely voted for more sensible parties.

        Life was wonderful in those halcyon days when intelligence, discipline and common sense ruled the day.

        [Sigh!]

  65. Funny how John, Tony and Dave all seem to be saying much the same thing..

    Obviously just a coincidence, or have they been given a script ?

          1. Afternoon N,
            The kinnocks, mandies, b liars,etc,etc, are in a sellers market as in abode flippers,self respect, integrities, countries, all have a price
            and as been proven, sold off.

  67. I do hope the teachers that bunked off with their pupils had a days pay docked but then again pigs might fly

  68. Well Thomas Cook saga is still ongoing. Still seem to be trying to get the government to stump up £200M but besides potential breaking EU competition law it would be high risk and where do you stop do they then bail out amy large group that goes bust ?

    1. It’s just another commercial enterprise that went wrong. Nothing to do with the government or keeping people in jobs.The Thomas Cook of our youth died when the intermet was born.
      “Sell just sell. Service can go to hell “.

      1. Yes unfortunately I don’t see much of a future for Thomas Cook. Some one might buy bits of it after its folded but the current business has far to many expensive high street branches and fewer people are buying package holidays as well and more people avoid th expensive insurance policies they try to flog

      2. Thomas Cook, like so many High Street outlets, suffers from buyers lookng, trying on, and then ordering cheaper elsewhere.

          1. Surely that’s Thomsons? I wrote to them in 2010 saying I’d never use them again. 34 foreign trips later I’ve stuck by my word.

  69. Well there are sign the EU is now really negotiating whether the EU will move enough remains to be seen

    I dont want to see a standalone WA it needs to be linked to a trade agreement

    1. No doubt the Daily Mail Markle will be full of ‘news’ over the next week or so, about HRH Burnybaws and Trash virtue signalling in Africa.

      Here’s hoping they make stamping out landmines their first priority.

      2. A young Lesbian from Khartoum
        Took a Nancy boy up to her room
        Now we’re here#
        Lets get it clear
        Who does what,where and to whom

        1. I can remember having a very lively discussion with a tour guide in the English Garden in Munich about the fact that the tree which he insisted was a sycamore was in fact a plane tree.

          7. Totally different trees. Different shape, bark, leaves and fruit. Apart from that, they both absorb CO2 and emit O2.

          2. Lovely bits of kit, Corim. I’m quite envious.

            Mine are a USA Stanley No 6 (fore plane), an UK Stanley No 4 (smoothing plane) and a UK Stanley No 9½, all of which I bought on eBay for a song. They were all old and completely rusted but I spent a bit of time and effort on restoring them to their full glory. They are now as sharp as razors and a joy to use.

          3. I have a set of Record smoothing and rebate planes purchased in the seventies which are still good along with box handled Marples chisels and Tyzack saws. I recently inherited a beautiful Sheffield manufacture Rip saw dated 1915. In its day English Carpenter’s are said to have preferred it to its American cousin Disston. The manufacturer is Sanderson Brothers and Newbould Ltd. They were formed by the marriage of a steel maker with a toolmaker, based in Darnall from memory.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/08fee0c21555245725ec63b18c2ee74610d12bcc8cfe3644bb1b49602deba3c3.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a8be0fbd2e2ae635508f7d26dd1e3a4300f437f4f870c07ba010ed42fbca194c.jpg

      1. Thanks NTN, but where’s the string?

        Incidentally, I bet they don’t taste as bad as the slice of humble pie I’ve just scoffed.

        1. Oh, come, now Eddy, you must know that stringing and playing conkers is identified as highly dangerous and may only be played by those wearing hard hats, ear defenders, safety specs, high-vis jackets and protective footwear. A cricket box may be considered and, for female players, what Rachel Heyhoe-Flint called a manhole cover.

          Spectators must be at least 20 metres away.

          Enjoy the ‘umble pie – a bit of mustard makes it sting more.

      2. On my walk I trample through loads of broken scattered shells on the pavement, while up in the trees the tree rats are busy eating the conkers.

  78. ConWoman

    Now he is ‘free to speak’ and no longer has to ‘submit to the BBC Thought Police his subversive musings’.

    So why on earth did he tolerate it for so long (his BBC career was

    some 40 years) or indeed why did he not resign, especially given the

    BBC’s destructive and disastrous framing of the Brexit debate? How could

    he swallow what he’s had to on a daily basis? We are entitled to ask –

    and to question his integrity.

    I still cannot quite describe my feeling of bemusement and rising

    rage as I read Mr Humphrys’s retirement revelations yesterday morning

    with my coffee. It was enough to make me choke.

    Here is a man still working years beyond the average time of retirement (he is 76) on a salary somewhere between £400,000 and £410,000, who at the end of his last Today programme told listeners it had been his huge privilege to work for this wonderful organisation, then posed for Radio 4 Today

    team group hug photos. Yet he has stayed silent on all the issues that

    mirror the critique we have been making of the BBC on these pages for

    the last five years, and by News-watch for the last twenty. A critique

    that the BBC has ignored or discounted and which Mr Humphrys, on the

    surface anyway, took no interest in and was happy to see the BBC dismiss

    time after time.

    Now it turns out that he was totally aware of his employer’s bias and

    corrupt standards of journalism all along, but was never brave enough

    to take a stand.

    I hardly need point out that no one ever compelled him to work for

    the BBC, or threatened to shoot him, or beat up his family if he dared

    think about leaving on principle. State police were not standing outside

    the Today studio door.

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/dont-just-blame-the-bbc-mr-humphrys-blame-yourself/

  79. That’s me for this dreary day. Only good thing was seeing Scotland slaughtered (I use the Andy Murray test – to support any country playing against yer Scots).

    England were poor – despite the score and the bonus point. So many unforced errors.

    A demain, prolly…

      1. I was trying to find some stats on Cornwall’s coastline when I came across a page with a ton of statistics on each county in the country. One of those for Cornwall was from the last census, it was:

        Ethnic Makeup: 99.7% White British.

        Not for long, possibly, but I remember only seeing a single islamic person in the first 10 years that I was down here. Now, if we can achieve that across the country, it will be a far safer place. Especially for the young girls and boys.

        1. Where we are is about 95% white. Rest are a mix of native American, Asian (here that means oriental) and black. Mostly all we see are people who look somewhat like us – apart from being significantly larger, that is. And quite few “big” guys with “mountain man” beards.

          1. In my wild youth I remember having quite a soft spot for the Oriental / Asian look. The only woman that I ever asked to marry me was from that part of the world. Luckily we came to our senses as we were both far too young. Ahh, sweet youth. 🙂

  81. Gripping proof our police have totally lost the plot. Mail. Peter Hitchens 22 September 2019.

    The superb ITV drama about the 2011 Sian O’Callaghan murder, A Confession, is not just utterly absorbing.

    It raises huge questions about what has happened to the police. It stars Martin Freeman as the dreadfully wronged officer Steve Fulcher.

    Any sensible society would promote him and garland him with honours. He was a proper policeman, who by hard work and good instinct caught the grisly murderer of Sian O’Callaghan.

    Then, by clever questioning, he uncovered another unknown killing by the same man. His task was especially hard because, at the time, he did not know that the first victim was dead.

    So he rightly saw his first duty as finding and saving her. In the end, the killer was convicted for both crimes.

    But because Detective Superintendent Fulcher did not follow the piffling procedures of the disastrous 1984 Police and Criminal Evidence Act (PACE), he was not honoured, but severely disciplined for gross misconduct.

    PACE is a set of rules designed by liberals who don’t trust the police (but passed, of course, by a Tory Government).

    Though he was allowed to keep his job, Mr Fulcher eventually resigned. It is not hard to imagine why.

    Contrast his treatment with the endless rise of Cressida Dick, now the Metropolitan Police Commissioner.

    Her climb to the top has been unimpeded by anything. It is unmarked (as far as I know) by any great feats of detection.

    And also contrast it with the ‘celebrity paedophile’ squad.

    One of its leaders very wrongly said that wild claims by the fantasist Carl Beech were ‘credible and true’. They then publicly invaded the lives of several innocent people, doing great harm to their reputations. But has anyone been disciplined?

    Dame Cressida, as she has now become, has rejected calls for a criminal probe into the officers involved in investigating the claims by Beech. But now it has emerged that she had herself overseen the Scotland Yard investigation in its early stages.

    I think this tale of two coppers explains very well why the whole police service needs to be ferociously and totally reformed from top to bottom, now.

    Ms. D1ck now Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police could never have risen to such a rank before the advent of Common Purpose which is in effect a freemasonry that seeks promotion for fellow travellers and sees they are not dismissed for minor infringements like serial incompetence and corruption!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7489727/PETER-HITCHENS-Supreme-Court-passing-judgement-bottle-wine.html

    1. “I think this tale of two coppers explains very well why the whole police service needs to be ferociously and totally reformed from top to bottom, now.”

      I’ve been singing this song for decades, but who will have the balls and brains to do it?

      1. I don’t think it is possible Grizz. The rot has set in too deep. Nearly all the institutions in the UK; RNLI etc. have been taken over and it would take a political earthquake to move them!

    1. Looney tunes, the lot of them.

      Having experienced Labour in all its glory – the Wilson and Callaghan governments, I can’t for the life of me understand why anyone would vote for more of the same. The whole party has gone back to being about envy and divisiveness. Same reason for getting rid of grammars – they were for the privileged, so should be abolished. Never mind that people got in on ability. Or that the education system at the time was designed to make sure the bright kids, from wherever, got a challenging education and would contribute the most to the country.

      I always assumed the main objections were that too many Labour voters’ children failed the 11+, and/or they had actually worked out if children got a good education, they were not so likely to grow up to be Labour voters.

      2. One argument for why the grammar schools were targeted for closure after being widely available for only three decades was their success. Success in putting bright young people, many from humble homes, into the top universities. The elite did not like that change and decided to deny those children the chance to advance. In my school year (1960) with all the pupils from councils estate homes or military married quarters about 15 passed the 11+. My village grammar had boys from a wide cross section of backgrounds.

        1. Same here. My grammar school class had people from all sorts of social classes. The only thing we had in common was a high IQ.

  83. Lest we forget [ apols if already mentioned ] …

    The Deal barracks bombing was an attack by the Provisional Irish Republican Army on the Royal Marine Depot, Deal, England. It took place
    at 8:22 am on 22 September 1989, when the IRA exploded a timed bomb at the Royal Marines School of Music building

    Deaths‎: ‎11 Royal Marines

    Injuries‎: ‎21 Royal Marines

    1. Evening Issy. Even today, I still have a deep hatred for those PIRA bastards, burning in my heart.

      In particular, I remember the two bombs at Warrenpoint which killed 16 of my brothers in 2 Para and also 2 soldiers from the QOH. The PIRA cowards set off a second bomb deliberately targeting those who had come to help the casualties caused by the first explosion.

      I swear to God, if I had that shīt Gerry Adams within my reach, I would choke the life out of him with these hands and to hell with the consequences.

  84. How strange,Abbott dismisses schooling her children privately as ” It was all a long time ago”
    Yet slavery is a current issue??

    7. Ten minutes down the road from me. And no, I wasn’t there. Not been out all day, going to the pub soon, though.

  88. Supreme Court? The title is fiction. It might as well be passing judgement on a bottle of wine

    PETER HITCHENS

    Actually, there is no such thing as the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom. They can call it that if they like, but the title is a fiction. There is nothing supreme about it. Until we leave the EU, our actual Supreme Court is, as it has been for many years, the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg. But if we ever manage to escape from the EU, then Parliament is a far higher court than this self-important assembly of lawyers in suits.

    Keen observers of the ridiculous hearings of the past few days will have noticed the bare, almost republican room in which the court meets, less grand than some council committees I have attended. The judges – and the lawyers appearing before them – do not wear the traditional robes and wigs which say so loudly that those who don them are serving the law, and are not just politicians or bureaucrats.

    The nasty thing has been grafted on to our free constitution by Blairite revolutionaries – many of them Left-wing lawyers. They had long planned a slow-motion putsch against conservative Britain. For this tiny, self-important group of men and women realised that they had an astonishing power. They were allowed to decide what the law meant. And nobody could challenge them.

    This was bad enough when they took advantage of the vague wording of ‘Human Rights’ charters. They used this to invent all kinds of rights for those members of society they favoured and wished to help. In the same way, they abolished the former freedoms of those who had been in charge before. No need to storm the Bastille or capture the barracks and the railway station. Just issue a judgment, and abolish the morals and customs of ten generations in an afternoon. For example, like it or not, state schools are going to teach children about homosexuality. This is now the law.

    That use of the law to change our culture and morals was revolutionary enough. That brilliant mind, and former Supreme Court judge Lord Sumption, recently warned this would ‘entrench a broad range of liberal principles’ in the foundations of the State. Democracy would then be almost powerless to remove or limit them. He then accused his fellow lawyers of being so sure they were right that they claimed a monopoly on deciding how the country should be governed.

    He warned, with astonishing brutality, that such a belief is ‘no different from the claim of communism, fascism, monarchism, Catholicism, Islamism and all the other great isms that have historically claimed a monopoly of legitimate political discourse on the ground that its advocates considered themselves to be obviously right’. Crikey.

    The readiness of the courts to hear legal actions against the Prime Minister’s suspension of Parliament is a whole new outrage. Personally, I think Al Johnson’s action was a shabby trick (though it failed to work). But the idea that the courts should have anything to say about proroguing Parliament is absurd. There is no law, no precedent. Within our constitution, Prime Ministers can do this sort of thing and often it will be right and necessary.

    You might as well get the Supreme Court to rule on whether the red wines of Burgundy are better than those of Bordeaux. The judges could have a lot of fun examining the matter. But their opinion, at the end, would be worth nothing. And so we see from the ‘evidence’ presented at this gathering of learned kangaroos. It’s all opinions.

    I’m all in favour of opinions. I express lots of them. I wish my opinions influenced politicians and judges, and the people. But opinions are not laws, and they are not facts. Ten thousand brilliant legal brains could not read Mr Johnson’s mind or prove that he misled the Queen, and Her Majesty is certainly not going to give them any evidence on that score.

    I just hope the ‘Supreme Court’ will have the sense to recognise this and throw the whole thing out. But in such frightening times as these, I can’t be sure. Our whole tradition of fair, wise government is tottering, and I am not convinced it can survive these games.

    Al Johnson?

    1. I agree totally with the above, William. But a thought has just occurred to me, based on Dominic Raab’s statement on TV this morning that the Government will abide by the Supreme Court’s decision, even if that means Parliament returning to sit a couple of days sooner than the Prorogation had ordered. By issuing the Prorogation in the first place, could this have been a clever manoeuvre by Boris to deflect Remainers’ efforts from (a) attempting to stymie his negotiations towards (b) winning a Court case? Thus he could continue his Brexit negotiations uninterrupted whilst Remainers devoted their efforts into winning a favourable verdict which allowed them a mere two days extra debate in Parliament.

      1. You could be right. This would mean that the government has effectively lost nothing, while the Remainers’ case is damaged by the fact that they took yet more action to put obstacles in the way of Brexit. People are getting mightily fed up with all the blocking tactics employed by the opponents of the UK leaving the EU. This could well blow up in Remainers’ faces come the General Election.

    2. Too true. Hitchens is right about the substandard fittings of the courtroom. An otherwise fabulous work of architecture the witticisms of which, carved in Stone, have been traduced by two masonic architectural practices, Feilden + Mawson for the layout and Gilmour Hankey Kirke (Lord Hankey’s firm now fashionably titled GHK) for the realisation and fitting out. Regrettably The Court Service will only commission masons and Sir Bernard Feilden broadcast his affiliations.

      What a mess, the benches screech veneered mdf and the carpets looks like something the dog sicked up.

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        2. You see – you have missed the simplicity and confused it with accuracy. 🙂

          (Besides – the Penguin is on holiday.)

      1. I thought the answer was Margate.

        Caroline has ruined it by answering another clue giving the letters:

        – – R – – – T

        and the answer is AIRPORT which has little to do with a seaside town.

        5. My original post was posted in error – I was trying to do something else.

          The clue was:

          ‘Departure Point for broadcast by seaside town’

          Air = to broadcast
          Port = Seaside town

          Ergo: Airport = Departure Point

          When we are on the boat we work our way through the

          ‘All New Telegraph Books of Cryptic crosswords.’

          (This clue comes from Puzzlde No 7 in Volume 10 which we have now completed.)

          Donald Manley, a boy with whom I was at Blundell’s, is a professional crossword compiler. He uses a number of pseudonyms such as Duck, Quixote, Giovianni, Bradman, based on his Christian name. I don’t know if he has added Trump and Tusk to the list.

  93. We have just come home after being out for a while searching for a lost dog in Puddletown woods (not our dog ) a visitor to the area( no one we know) from Somerset apparently took her dog for a run in the woods .. and the dog took off .. how really horrible is that.. the power of Facebook works .. and many people turned out from here there and everywhere to try to locate it.. no luck so far so I gather . Moh hobbled along whilst son and I walked a fair distance, and took our dog whistles etc .. the woods are dense with rhododendrons and very steep drops .

    We feel for the owner and pray her dog is found ..

    1. I think the second one is Castletown in the IoM; not sure about the first although it does look familiar?

      1. There’s need for secrecy – I asked because I didn’t know!

        Castletown it is. I was touring the coast of Scotland for that.

    2. Top one looks like Norwich beside the Wensum.
      I used to stay in the Maid’s Head up the road from there.

        1. Somewhere on a CD Rom I’ve a film of night shots from there with the cathedral tower looming above the houses.

      2. I had Sunday dinner at the Maids Head once. It was overcooked and not very pleasant. There are hundreds of much better places in Norfolk serving up far better Sunday dinners.

        1. We didn’t have a lot of choice in hotels, but I liked the Maid’s Head for its fairly convenient location.

        2. Bill Thomas’ place, for example. But he never seems to invite us over for lunch, does he Grizzly?

    3. I know the first. The excellent Ribs of Beef pub is just down the end of that pathway on Magdelen Street.

      I don’t know the second.

  95. Holidaymakers held in Tunisia hotel over Thomas Cook crisis

    Under UK law you could not do this but who knows what the law is in Tunisia

    Guests at the Les Orangers beach resort in the town of Hammamet, near Tunis, say security guards are keeping the gates shut while the hotel demands visitors pay extra money out of fear it won’t be paid what it is owed by Thomas Cook for holiday bookings.

      1. And then we could move all our immigrants there without actually deporting them so to speak. Once we’ve herded them all there, we can then give the country its independence.

      1. I wouldn’t be too sure of that. Insurance companies are notorious for turning down claims. The holiday has already been paid for. If the holidaymakers pay for their accommodation again (even under duress), I wouldn’t put it past the insurance company to just shrug its shoulders and say “you paid for it once – don’t expect us to pay for it again a second time”.

        2. I made a claim once on travel insurance which was turned down because my GP is in France. I appealed to the ombudsman and they were compelled to pay up. They changed the general wording of their policies after that and I have noticed other companies have followed suit.

          I very seldom claim on insurance but every single claim I have ever made has been fought tooth and nail by the insurers. I have even threatened to set up a tent on the CEO’s lawn because they were so slow and ignoring letters, that one proved very effective.

          Bástards the lot of them.

          1. I was much amused by one of the endless “Over 50” life policy ads whose main selling point appeared to be
            “All claims paid”
            I would bloody well hope so!!

          2. Oddly enough I wouldn’t.

            There are so many scammers out there that it would be too easy.
            I knew a couple who always made a claim, lost camera, stolen money, damaged suitcases, torn clothes etc., as a matter of principle, to at least recover the cost of the premium.
            They were very unimpressed when I gave them a lecture about theft, which is what it is.

            If I ruled the world I would quite happily have such people flogged.

          4. If I ruled the world…
            Everyone would say “The world is my friend”
            There’d be happiness that no man could end.
            No, my friend, not if I ruled the world.

  98. LOOK at this

    Revealed: Face of woman in hijab who hurled racist abuse at man on a bus telling him ‘You smell of curry you dumb b****’ as police launch investigation
    Commuters horrified when the girl screamed at a man on the 195 bus in London
    Fight is said to have erupted after girl’s mother got into an argument with driver
    Girl shouted him: ‘You smell of curry you dumb b****… go back to Southall slum’
    Police took the unusual step of issuing phone footage from the incident in Hayes
    ***Do you know anyone involved in the incident? Email tips@dailymail.com***

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7491275/Face-woman-hijab-hurled-racist-abuse-man-bus.html

    1. I think it safe to assume that this woman in a hijab does not live in Southall. Judging by the apparent quality of the black cloth she wears, she probably lives in a more salubrious area of er…. Acton?

      I am left wondering daily what the hell these vile people are doing in my country. I never asked for them and find their primitive and violent habits repulsive.

      2. If you saw the link properly , did you notice how many were in that bus..

        It seems as if Muslims like that don’t like Indians .. No wonder things may kick off sooner than later.

        1. I am sure that their are many of our assimilated immigrant nationalities who despise Muslims and their hate cult just as we do.

          The tensions are building and eventually all hell will break loose. The politicians who have invited this conflict with their stupid immigration policies will not escape paying a price either.

          We already see the Labour Party in the mire and totally unelectable as are the fanciful Liberal Democrat’s. The Tories are also risking annihilation at the polls unless Boris can pull a rabbit out of the hat and ensure a clean break with the authors of our misfortunes, the wretched EU.

        2. Probably, Mags, most of those Muslims are Pakistanis – no love lost there.

          Good night and God bless.

  99. Night All

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    And for something different

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      1. Yes, I think most of us enjoy Rik’s “Night all” at this time of day. It’s always good for a smile!

    1. And now 3/4 of our Members of Parliament want us to bow down to the tyrants in the European Union…

      Never.

  101. HAPPY HOUR – So how was it for you…

    Rate your Sunday from 1- 100….

    I HATE SUNDAYS….. after waking up to a grey rainy day I abandoned my gardening plans and headed
    to town for comestibles. I purchased a bunch of asparagus (reduced o 45p) and a large wedge of Roquefort cheese
    planning to make a quiche for lunch. However the sun appeared so I headed for the tennis courts to watch a tournament.
    After several large sherries and a cheese sarnie I headed for home. Read the paper, took the dog for a walk along the Prom
    and returned home.

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    I’d give it 65 out of 100……

    1. I read that as ‘headed for town for cosmetics’. That might have brightened your day.

      I had a quiet, relaxing day, much treasured after last week’s cruise through Hungary & Austria. Caught up with emailing friends.

      Roast shoulder of lamb for supper.

    3. Sunday is no different from any other day of the week and I give every one of them 100/100.

      Life is for living and enjoying. The only time that score dips is when I’ve got a stinking cold.

      Not even pain in my arthritic feet diminishes my innate joie de vivre, and not even half-witted and banal comments posted on this forum by those whose life is not as joyful as mine is can get me down.

      I accept that there are many miseryguts in this world, who have no hobbies or interests save for griping on social media. I pity those with such empty lives but they do not spoil my day. 100/100 is my norm.

      1. That’s actually rather pathetic. I feel sorry for you.

        100/100 virtually every day suggests that you lead a very narrow life and never get the extra pleasure of an exhilarating new experience or see something in a different light or exceed your expectations in something you are attempting.

        Sad really.

        1. “100/100 virtually every day suggests that you lead a very narrow life.”

          If you truly believe that, muppet, you have a very narrow mind.

          1. Says a guy who thinks every day is perfect.

            Only the mentally sub-normal live that kind of existence because they can’t face reality. You’re the muppet.

          2. It seems like you just exist to be pugnacious and confrontational. Bit of a sad wanqueur if you ask me.

          3. A mirror on your soul then.

            I see the same in you.

            You try to bully anyone who disgrees with you and you get very upset when people don’t back off.

        2. I think Grizz has missed the point…
          Being unhappy wakes up the brain cells……

          I’m really looking forward to Monday….not many people can say that….including Bob Geldof

          1. Indeed.
            I think looking forward and expecting/hoping for better is good for the soul.
            I closed the pool for swimming today, after a last session yesterday evening, and when the water gets colder I will put it to bed for the winter.

            Because of that it was a 50/100 day, at best, for me.

            Late May, early June next year I’ll be in swimming again and it will be a 100/100 day ( assuming the shock of the cold water doesn’t kill me! ).

    4. After a totally exhausting week painting my garden arbour morning, noon and night, I threw a tarpaulin over the arbour at 7 am before much rain started, then went back to bed, where I stayed for most of the day. The complete rest did me a world of good, so I can truthfully say that my day was 100/100.

    1. The problem with opening a can of worms is you don’t know what will come out and bite you on the proverbial…

    2. The strange and sad fact that after over thirty years of marriage Theresa May is still reputedly virgo intacta seems to be of no interest to anybody and everybody knows that John Bercow’s wife is an adulteress who, like Clegg, boasted about how many ‘one night stands’ she used to have.

  107. Re an earlier post of mine , some one else put this brilliant bit of advice on F/B

    WHEN SEARCHING FOR A DOG
    In the interest of personal safety, it is recommended that no-one searches on their own and instead small groups of a minimum of 2 people and a maximum 4 people are formed unless using a line search method.
    🚨 please read the following guidelines 🚨

    A missing dog will go into survival mode, everyone and everything will be a threat.
    Do not call his name, do not try and catch him and do not chase him
    You need to think like a dog. Think how a wild animal would react, that’s what he’s doing.
    All searches should be carried out in silence and it is important that all shrubs and greenery is pulled right back so that you can see right down to the ground. Searchers should have with them a spare lead, and a supply of smelly tasty food, e.g cooked sausages, bacon, burgers, cheese or tinned fish in oil or tomato sauce.

    If you see him , drop to the floor, do not look at him straight on, sit at a 45° degree angle so you can see him peripherally but not be a threat.
    Sit still, don’t flap arms about, hum or make quite lip smacking nom nom sounds and with a slow flick of the wrist, throw some food in his direction and wait.
    He will either bolt or stay where he is. He may come back…..or will freeze and watch. If he watches keep throwing little bits of the food.
    If he takes the food and moves closer, on no account grab for him no matter how close he gets.
    Dogs don’t think like we do or process information like we do, they rely solely on their instincts.

    A few examples….
    ‘ of course he will come when called ‘
    ‘ of course he will recognise me
    I had him at touching distance but he bolted’

    A lost dog doesn’t recognise owners or their voices.
    Their red mist is down …. they won’t recognise by sight
    Their first sense is their nose, they smell first.

    By stopping moving and sitting low you have reduced the threat level, in his eyes.
    You are giving him the choice, meaning he has no need to bolt.

    You are simply freezing that moment to hopefully give him time for his senses to kick in. Recognition by sight or sound will be the last thing he will comprehend.
    Imagine you are trying to find and catch a fox…. A vulnerable wild animal which is living in a world where it is survival of the fittest, and to have tall people marching towards it, looking straight at it, calling words, probably heightened with a sense of urgency, talking or smiling…..all the fox sees is a predator that is bigger, than him. That’s how we look to them.
    The success in catching a dog is getting into their mindset.

    1. Alternatively, you could look in the fridge first.

      :-))

      Sorry, Maggie, I hadn’t read your earlier post which explained that you and many others were out trying to help find a holidaymaker’s dog who had bolted. My “humorous” post above I can now see is anything but funny.

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