Thursday 2 October: Pensioners deserve better than being treated as an easy tax target

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  1. 'Morning All
    First because I'm insomniac these days
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  2. Good morning, chums. And thanks, Geoff for today's new NoTTLE site. Today's Wordle I got in four (a Par). Gosh, Geoff, you're posting our new page earlier and earlier these days. Good job I got up at around 2.15 am. (And still Rik-Redux beat me to being first!)

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      1. Although I don't agree with some of the appalling actions of the Met Police , I feel that snitching by the BBC on those police who have an appalling stressful job re law and order in a multi cult city is not quite the thing to do .

        Why don't the BBC snitches concentrate on their Huw Edwards types who seem to be a law amongst themselves

      2. Well it's good news that there are plans to take it off air by scrapping terrestrial TV and thus finishing freeview for ever.

        Of course that doesn't mean the end of live TV because there are plenty of digital recordings. 🤔

        1. Angie, "the end of live TV" is far from "digital recordings". Am I missing something here? (Good morning, btw.)

          1. Somtimes I post things that are so unlikely as to be impossible.

            I GIF of a working boiler system part causing it to prevent user control is a case in question.

            Sometimes Nottlers can provide clues as to why such things are possible (or not for that matter).

        2. Good news? For me, it's bad news, since I trust streaming services provided by internet oligarchs even less than I trust terrestial TV provided by flawed public service providers.

          Least of all I trust Ofcom to do anything honourable.

          We have until 2034 before it's back to the stone age. I will be 78 years old then, and I suppose I will have to befriend the rats under my shed for future entertainment, and leave the smartphone prolefeed to those zombified by AI.

      3. Would you prefer all the TV output exclusively provided by Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg and Google?

        Rather than ridding us of the BBC, better it were restored back to what it was before they got at it.

      4. Put the bBC out on subscription; those that want to watch (legions of Leftwaffe and luvvies) can continue to do so, without impacting on the rest of the populace. It would be fun watching the bBC cut it's cloth to fit it's income. Though it's probably as likely to happen as HMG spending cuts.

    4. This is what happens when the BBC is first infiltrated, then completely taken over by Woke, Left-wing, idiot Guardianistas. They have no interest in the viewing public and Reith's manifesto to 'educate, inform and entertain' has been ripped up by this scum (and I do not use the word 'scum' lightly). Time for a complete clear out of this WEF-funded Pinko detritus, a cartel of misery who cannot wait for the implementation of Agenda-30.

          1. Have you rebranded your Olaf Bloodaxe account with the name and avatar of the true Grizzly account, which you can no longer access?

          2. Indeed, Stig. I cannot access my original Grizzly account because it is attached to an old, defunct, email address. A Catch-22 situation. I would like to know how I may attach another email account to Grizzly, otherwise all my commenting history is up the Suwannee.

    5. Terriblegraph had a picture of the person responsible for this decision (Mr Kay-Jellie or some such). He looked every bit like you might expect.

    6. "And we pay for it. Every household is forced to hand over a licence fee to a broadcaster embarrassed by its own culture, one that keeps hacking away at the few things still able to unite a fragmented nation."

      I don't hand anything over to the BBC and many others don't.

      1. Householders aren't forced John, I haven't paid for 8 years – just tell them you don't need one and if you get a visit from the goons just ignore them

        1. I was quoting the article – hence the quote marks. I have been TV and licence-free for 20 years.

        2. I was quoting the article – hence the quote marks. I have been TV and licence-free for 20 years.

      1. Where as Stamer did – he personally fought to stay in the EU and even wanted to use Brexit as an opportunity to strengthen ties with the hated EU under the table.

        1. Johnson is almost as big a traitor as Starmer is.

          He is certainly a fatter one!

      3. Johnson was determined to destroy Brexit at outset which is why he did not rid the Conservative Party of all remainer MPs before the 2019 general election.

        Farage's grave mistake was not contesting seats held by remainer Conservatives.

        And what about Frost – having said that the UK would hold firm on both fishing and Northern Ireland he capitulated? And this capitulation has emasculated Brexit and shown the EU and the remainers in the UK that it is very easy to cancel Bfrexit.

    4. It's worth reading the variety of replies beneath Neil's X posting. They do offer a different perspective which cast much doubt over his claim. The very existence of the Dublin Convention acted as a deterrent to those wanting to migrate to the UK by unofficial means. Although the Convention might have had the net effect of returning more to the UK than it could return to other signatory countries, the deterrent effect seemed to be very effective at restricting the numbers willing to cross the English Channel in rubber dinghies.

    3. Why are all these people harping on about Lammy being black. Are they all racists? Good at the job should be the prime factor.

    1. Comments nicked from GF..

      "Gawd Nandy is bursting at the seams, what a dogs dinner.

      No mirrors at Nandy’s house?

      is she with child? or at the pies?

      ‘The Gregg’s Diet’ so I’m told. That’s a really flattering picture isn’t it?"
      "State of that, is she competing with Ten Bellies Thornberry?

      Where have the Palestine flags been hidden?"
      Honestly – I would love to have picture of the bin outside the venue. I bet it was full of discarded Union Jacks!

  9. Morning all,

    Whilst I have reported to my installer that the boiler he installed is now working normally after his techician fixed it, I have been puzzled as to how the tech was able to know exactly what had gone wrong after I sent a videod fault evidence that my boiler, whilst starting from cold, locked me completely out of using any boiler controls.

    I had alresdy experienced the boiler working in the middle of the night after programming the timer not to do it. However, I had no evidence of that – I had to turn the boiler mains supply off whilst half asleep.

    I retained the part of the heating system the tech replaced to restore normal boiler working and permit me to regain control.

    This situation reminded me of the Air India crash where the pilots apparently lost control of the aircraft after they had taken off.

    1. Angie, I am once again baffled by your penultimate sentence.

      Do you mean "I retained the part of the heating system [after] the tech replaced [it with a new part so that I am now able] to restore normal working [using the new part] and permit me to regain control"? In which case why retain the old part of the heating system?

      Or do you mean "I retained the part of the heating system [which] the tech replaced [in order for me] to [be able to] restore normal boiler working [with the old part which I had retained] and [thus] permit me to regain control [once the tech had left].

      I really don't understand why these posts confuse me so much, Angie. Can you clarify your penultimate sentence to help me (Confused of Colchester) to understand what you meant to say? (Good morning, btw.)

      1. I think Angie means an old-fashioned off switch. I think they made it illegal to use an axe. Something to do with not having the required qualifications to comply with the latest regs and to report back any changes to the system.

      2. Morning Elsie,

        I retained the part of the heating system that the. technician deemed faulty in case it didn’t actually need replacing and it was really something else that was wrong.

        I intend to post a comment with a GIF video to show how a working part of a system can result in the total loss of contrel of a system – in this case it is a boiler but it could very well have been an aeroplane.

        I hope this makes sense – sometimes I have to post a comment before WiFi shuts me down.

      3. Good afternoon Elsie,

        Here is the part of my central heating (CH) which I believed to be working OK because my CH was functioning normally when one night , whilst I was fast asleep, the boiler took control when I had programmed both heating and hot water to be turned OFF at that time. I rushed downstairs and found that the timer indeed showed no demand for heat or hot water – the boiler had taken control.

        There was nothing I could do to stop the boiler other than to stop it at its main's switch.

        This a link to the test rig setup which I am using to test the removed part.

        This is the central heating valve actuator attached to the valve assembly which activates the valve and closes a microswitch contact to signal the need for heat.

        The video shows the valve being activated and the microswitch contact closing signified by a beep from the yellow continuity tester (tester sound is rather low at the end of this video sequence:

        https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xb7XQ_tu2YyOAUPDOEaKRpCa6m8fdUd6/view?usp=drive_web

        I thought this actuator was working properly.

    2. I for one am glad your boiler is working. It is the big downside of a heatpump. If you've a really cold morning you can't pop the heating on to warm up. Well, you can, but it costs a fortune.

      1. When thr installers technician arrived for a seconf fix for the boiler I had a chance to ask him why he wasn’r intalling heat pumps.

        He said that the most you are likeky to get out of a heat pump is 50 degC so you need twice the size of radiators before you can heat your home.
        The other problem is that you need 60 degC to be able to avoid getting legionella disease so you need a separate water cylinder with an immersion to meet legal requirements.

        Personally I think that If you’ve dumped your cylinder space in a small house to make more living space or fit a combi boiler then your f…ed.

  10. Good morning all.
    A dry start, overcast and 11½°C on the thermometer.
    And a bit of a busy start this morning.
    The DT was awake as I got up so did her tea & cereal to the delightful scent of today's main meal quietly simmering away in the slow cooker. Brisket packed round with vegetables. Realised I'd forgotten to put the leek in so quickly got that chopped up and added.
    Plus I've put a load of washing on.
    And that's before I sat down with my mug of tea!

        1. Just the polycarbonate panels had reached the end of their life and started slipping down. Propped up with a block of wood.

  11. Good morning, all. Overcast.

    Beth Rigby receiving a hammering for her report on Starmer's speech yesterday. I haven't listened to Starmer, I'm not in to self-mortification quite yet, but I have read her article – I haven't counted the number of times she wrote "Farage" but she may be as obsessed as Starmer is on "Nige" – and I have watched a video of her report on the conference. Rather too gushing and pleased about Starmer even as:

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    What's with all the flag waving – Union Flag and the Cross of St George – by the audience. Clearly a stunt in response to Farage, Robinson et al.

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    Will there be one after this shit-show of a government has finished its punishment of the people who identify as British patriots?
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    2. Lozza the ex Labour man from Brighton..
      Nothing about.. seems to be missing all the important ishoos there Lozza.

      Nothing about.. invasion..
      Nothing about.. Islam in government..
      Nothing about.. Sharia Law..
      Nothing about.. surprise sex gangs inquiry..
      Nothing about.. 2T justice..
      Nothing about.. DEI CRT BLM ESG..
      Nothing about.. FOS..
      Nothing about.. Big Bruv ID..
      Nothing about.. Undoing Blair, then hanging Blair in the Town Square (metaphorically obv).

      2. Why would you want to know anything about that? Starmer certainly doens't want to tell you about them. He's forcing more of them. He speaks with forked tongue.

        He's a liar, a cheat, a bigot, an intolerant, spiteful, spineless, disgusting, bitter, failed waste of carbon – like the rest of them.

    4. Can renewal be packaged in a box, then stamped, franked and sent to the address on the label?

      1. Starmer’s “renewal” is more of the same i.e. a growing level of control over the people. My idea of renewal is a Great Repeal Act back to at least the start of Blair’s interference in our lives. Some people want to go back further.

    5. Is Beth Rigby a bit thick? Everything Labour are doing is wrong. They're destroying the country, deliberately. His speech was to his supporters who are also morons. All the oaf Starmer managed was to remind the nation that he was an odious prick providing nothing but bile, hatred and spite. A man who hated this country, who desperately wanted to subborn decency knowing he had no claim to it.

      Whenever that wretched rodent reaches for the flag of this nation, he knows full well he isn't worthy of it.

    1. I'd recommend some natural yoghurt. If you're 'misty' then something's really gone wrong in the tummy department.

      However, you could be referring to the weather….

    1. Who in the Treasury is he referring to? Labour desperately put forward their own bunch of troughers. Some MPs even started companies hoping to cash in.

      The Treasury didn't do due diligence. There was no preparation. No forward planning (despite every hospital having to have such procedures). The state failed, utterly and resorted to fear to control people.

      At every level it proved itself clumsy, lumpen, incompetent.

  15. 'She held our son, Archie': Prince Harry and Meghan Markle pay tribute to their 'friend' Jane Goodall after chimp expert dies peacefully aged 91

    And Jane asked:
    "Does he have chimps on his mother's side?"

  16. Morning all 🙂😊🤗
    Misty and murky 12c rain later.
    For some obscure reason our government seems to be under the impression that pensioner's are comfortable, well off and wealthy.
    Another classic example of how out of touch with reality these useless political idiots are.

      1. The basic state pension is around the same as politicians take home in expenses every two weeks.

    2. Pensioners don't tend to vote Labour – experience and all that.

      I forget the source but the suggestion was if NI were invested as per private healthcare and for an actual pension then we would have genuinely the best health and highest pensions in the world.

      Instead, it is all mashed together and wasted on nonsense like 'climate change'. The state has everything back to front.

    1. He forgets that he stormed out of an interview he didn't like. Odd how Leftists always find it difficult to confront the truth. Almost as if… it's painful to them.

    1. I have to post this again.. from David Starkey

      "..One of the things most terrible.. this man is Lord Chancellor and wears the same robes as Thomas More. I thought when David Lammy sat in Lord Palmerston's desk as Foreign Secretary this was the final indicator of the collapse of Great Britain. But when this man wears the robes of The Lord Chancellor you can see behind him Thomas Wolsey, see behind him Thomas More weeping.. weeping.. weeping."

    4. Beyond belief! How thick can you get? His name will become synonymous with mental inaptitude. Thicker than Lammy – an impossibility. The next closest – As moronic as Miliband, as stupid as Starmer? This Parliament will be remembered for its collective imbecility.

    5. Fairly typical of this government: an incompetent, untrained, ill-equipped, incompetent diversity hire.

  19. ‘It began to get out of hand’
    Mr Bennis said: “That black swan had attitude. When I caught it yesterday it certainly gave up a fight and a half. I was left with aches and pains this morning.

    “It began to get out of hand and it began to be an absolute nightmare. ‘Your days are numbered,’ I said to it, but it didn’t care.”

    Mr Bennis added that Reggie had also tried to mate with a white swan in the area. “He shooed out the male and took the female.

    “We try not to encourage interbreeding but it was very clear that Mr Terminator had one desire: to stay in Stratford and find a mate.”

    “It’s the best thing for him,” he said, of the bird’s relocation to an area where black swans have been commonplace for decades. “He’ll have so many mates he’ll be saying, ‘Why in heaven’s name did I spend nine months in Stratford-upon-Avon?’”

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    John Bowden
    24 min ago
    Reggie made no attempt to adopt & integrate with the indigenous populations culture.
    Now where have I heard that before?

    Thomas Tank
    26 min ago
    Such black swan effect in humans is even more alarming

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    1. We should have a patrol boat in the channel that stops them even getting here. Fire upon them if necessary.

  21. Good morning Nottlers, 14°C and dreich on the Costa Clyde this morning. It'll do for walking football this morning but it better clear up before tomorrow's early tee. Can we all look forward to some peace and quiet, now that conference season has been endured?

    2. No! The BBC has launched it newest campaign to get the MET Police free of racialist whities who use hurty words and misogynistic insults.
      All member will have to undergo months of racial awareness training and hours of knee bending practice before they are allowed to speak to ethnic rapists, thieves and paedophiles and then only to ask them which free taxi firm do they want to take them home/
      Defund the Bent B*llsh*t Corporation.!

  24. Why Labour believes we have reached ‘peak Farage’
    Reform UK may be ahead in the polls but tackling immigration may take the wind out of their sails before the next election
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/01/why-labour-believes-peak-farage-immigration-polls-boats/

    If Labour thought that Farage had peaked they would not have devoted the whole of their party conference to abusing him rather than talking about their policies.

    BTL

    Given the fact that the government has removed 75% of the security afforded to Nigel Farage and the hateful, mendacious, and libellous attacks upon him at their Party Conference it seems that they are so frightened of him that they wish him dead.

    And if he is killed by a far left fanatic, many of which are currently in the government, many of them will rejoice in the same way that the obscene left rejoiced at the murder of Charlie Kirk.

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    2. Rich Lefties like blithering on about things that make them richer. The entire hoax of 'climate change' is just a desperate effort at forcing socialism.

  27. Good Morning!

    With George Gallow arested and Tommy Robinson soon in court under Terrorism Laws, the British State is embracing full on totalitarianism. We tell the story in The Terror Police and urge everyone to take a stand against it. If you don't, they'll soon be coming for you.

    In Regulated to Death – The Dire State of the EU Thomas Kolby relates how Europe's self-appointed elite have destroyed economies and lives through their endless regulation and globalist dogma. This is a warning that Labour is determined not to heed.

    Energy Watch: Over the last 24 hours: Britain's average power requirement was 32.5 GW, sourced from Gas, 31.5%; Solar, 3.9%: Wind 30.1%; Imports, 13.6%; Biomass, 9.8%; Nuclear 7.7% and Miscellaneous, 3.53%.

    Digital ID, as proposed by our evil government, is a sinister move towards totalitarian oppression. Please sign the petition opposing it; https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194 and ask all your friends, colleagues and family to do so. Over 2,718,000 have.

    1. The damage that paying for people to have children has done to society is incredible. It must be stopped so only married couples who plan for their child have them.

      Yet again, entirely, deliberately exact wrong decision is being made, just as it was for education.

  29. I have just had a “robust exchange of ideas” with my boss (a Hindu whose parents are Trinidadian but who worked over here for 20 years) about the company’s use of 10,000 black interns. He said he agreed with the concept of “diversity”. I asked him to define “diversity”. In the end he conceded there is a lot of racial stereotyping going on (i.e. all “black and brown” people are poor, all “white” people are “privileged”, when this is patently untrue).

    this country is truly screwed. We don’t do nuance. We do the do free market. We only do blunt sticks, cliff edges and sledgehammers.

  30. I've just seen a feature on the police and the footage showing many servicing officers making off the record complaints about forgien criminals especially in London. It seems that their comments were absolutely spot on. And not as the bbc and the soft footing met police chief stated. I'd rather believe the people involved in first hand experience, than all those who read latterly printed and already altered facts to fit in with their pathetic opinions.

    1. Morning Eddy
      I posted my comment similar to yours earlier this morning .

      Somethings I didn't agree with, but the job hardens bods hearts , especially in a city , and burn out really must be excessive .

      Not terribly keen on the snitch culture like the BBC .. who need to get their own house in order first.

      1. In the great panoply of things happening nationally and internationally, the wrong-doings in the Met surely do not justify the hysterical and head-lining reporting by the BBC. As you so rightly say, the BBC need to put their own house in order.

    2. If the crimes they commit are neither recorded nor punished, Eddy…how can we know what those crimes are?

  31. Cricket banned at 200-year-old Essex ground amid ‘Nimbyism’ accusations
    Three clubs will be forced to find new homes after a person was hit on the leg by a ball in nearby car park

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/10/01/village-cricket-banned-in-essex-after-more-than-200-years/?recomm_id=dd1ef991-d1ba-4e01-bbe8-ae47d235a2dd

    David Hammond
    3 min ago
    Sneaky move by the council who now can sell their souls to housing developers.

    Comment by Peter Willis.

    PW

    Peter Willis
    4 min ago
    Bet the name of “injured” car park user is now protected under the official secrets act….or similar. Trust they are pleased with the results of their complaints.

    So sad to lose this sporting facility. Small housing estate now beckons, via one or two brown envelopes?

    Nigel Coote
    8 min ago
    Who were using the facilities first, the cricketers or the car owners?

    Move the car park.!! Don’t allow cars to use the car park on match days and warn the casual public

    of possibly severe injury,(a tap on the leg), l ask you, a tap on the leg!!

    What killjoys there are in this world

    Get a life!!!

      1. Sounds like you may have been watching Nan (Fast Show, when the BBC was good)…well said Eddy 🙂

          2. Each to their own, Stigenance. My grandmother was similar but not as extreme. I recognise myself as her grand-daughter…….

    2. A housing estate was built adjacent Norwich airport, when I worked there. The airport received telephone calls daily from the halfwits who had bought houses on that development, all complaining about 'aircraft noise'!

      It was around then that I started to realise that the game was up for mankind!

      1. There's a house under the approach and departure path of the runway at Gatwick, about half a field's width from the boundary fence. The occupant bought it after the airport expanded some 30+ years ago, and complains regularly about the aircraft noise… I bet he got it cheap, though.

    3. Surely there has to be something about proportionality in English law that can be used to challenge this ridiculous decision? This verdict is as stupid as banning windshield wipers because one flew off a car and hit a pedestrian.

    4. It seems nowadays that all that is required to curtail activities which have been going on for decades is for one person to complain. I'll bet that complaints wouldn't be made so willingly if the name of the complainer had to be made public.

    5. Our cricket club has high netting on the boundary near a public footpath and a notice in the car park reminding drivers that this is a cricket club and cars are parked at their own risk.

  32. 413742+ up ticks,

    Morning Each,
    May one ask,
    Who has given starmer and co. the right to decide the rights of "refugees fleeing from multi free countries ?

    Dt,
    Refugees must earn right to bring families, says Starmer
    Prime Minister to announce there will be ‘no golden ticket to settling in the UK’

    1. If this had been proposed when he was in opposition he would have opposed it. He is dancing to Farage's tune.

      1. Oh he doesn't mean it. Look at the phrasing: 'refugees'. He means the boat criminals. He means over staying students. He means anyone but refugees. Chances are, a refugee would already be able to bring their family. I don't honestly think anyone has a problem with that as long as they are refugees, they have applied legally, there is a solid reason for them to come here – not just 'dindu! let them in, free 5 bed house, 80 brats, itinerant illiterate farmer from Eritrea.'

        1. Definitely something I won’t like, Jonathan (and you too?)…but we have to hear him to counter it..KBO….

          1. I so detest the man that I shout at him whenever I see him talking on You Tube. I know it's irrational to yell at a screen and it is something I don't do normally. But, honesty, what an utterly detestable piece of filth!

          3. Better for your health to let your rage out than keep it bottled up, johnathan. I yell at the screen too sometimes (and swear!) Kate x

          4. " I know it's irrational to yell at a screen ../." I do that all the time. It's a form of therapy…

        1. Exactly, Paul. Think he was at European summit to chair Cobra meeting but now returning urgently to deal with attack on Manchester synagogue, at least three dead so far. There will be further updates.

    3. Criminal gimmigrants should never be allowed to land here. He becomes so confused, with one of his lies overlapping the other as he desperately tries to control the narrative.

  34. Praying mantises have been spotted in the wild in mainland England for the first time.

    Cornwall Wildlife Trust (CWT) announced that there had been two separate sightings of the insect in gardens in the south west of England.

    The praying mantises, which are native to the Continent, were recorded in gardens near Truro and Mousehole, according to the charity.

    CWT said the insects “may have blown over to Cornwall on some strong winds”, or could have “hitch-hiked” their way into the UK in someone’s luggage.

    The charity suggested that there was a possibility that they escaped from a pet collection of praying mantises, but added that it was unlikely as they were spotted in different locations and nobody had come forward to claim them.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/01/migrant-mantises-find-their-way-to-uk/

      2. "And my dentures glow in ultra-violet light"

        Fred Wedlock: The Oldest Swinger in Town

        I took a group of Sixth Formers in a minibus to see Fred when he was performing at a theatre in Street with Chris Newman, a brilliant guitarist.

        I bought a copy of the record with this song on it and my students encouraged Fred to write on the record sleeve saying that this song applied to me! I was delighted when he wrote: THIS DOES NOT APPLY but then my students asked him to add ……….YET!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sOPRIdY0ns

    1. I see Quonset huts, suggested that a while ago, preferably on an island off the coast of Scotland.Cold and uninviting for motivational purposes.

    2. All in one place for processing, I suppose that's a kind of progress. On the other hand, could be turned right round onto a boat back to France. These are the illegals, around 10% of the total. Legals are 90% under ECHR, there's the rub…leave the ECHR no matter the NI Agreement.

    3. Don't store the vermin. Get rid of them! The UK is not some amazon warehouse for the scum of the planet. It's a country, with bloody borders! Keep them out, get rid of the waste here! Don't find places to put them, get RID OF THEM.

    1. We need intelligent indigenous women to have babies though. I have three work colleagues currently on maternity leave. They’ll have to return to work because their households need two incomes. Feminism didn’t liberate women. It turned us into tax slaves.

        1. Hey, I did say intelligent women!

          Ursula fond of Lying has seven children. As a slave owner, not a slave, she can afford a large family.

      2. Viktor Orban introduced all sorts of inducements and support for Hungarian women to have children.

        Of course that won't happen here because they want the indigenous dead and gone.

    2. Chav parents who cannot afford children but instead can afford to splash out on tattoos and junk food and require the state to give their little wretches free school meals !

      1. And from the article:

        Ms Phillipson added: “There’s a real urgency about this because every year that passes, as children are born, as they move into that system, the numbers go up, child poverty rates increase.

        This is because, you odious, gormless, dumb bint, the chavs having the kids can't afford them because they're not working, unskilled, uneducated, no career, no plans, no home welfarists! If you want to help child sodding poverty, stop paying poor people to breed!

    3. Can’t feed, don’t breed. Children should not be seen as a cash cow as a route to more money for tatts and ciggies plus a bigger house while being allowed to become feral.

  39. The highest legal office in the land. Dick the butcher had the right idea _ “The first thing we do is, let’s kill all the lawyers.” turn them into pork sausages and feed them to their supporters.

  40. Warmer today already than yesterday. Good market. Excellent selection of cheese and a very nice cod loin.

    The MR is going to try repairing a brick edging this afternoon. I bought the cement. And will keep a long way away from her while she does the work.

    I am useless with cement. She can only be better.

    1. We had a rather tasty liver and bacon lunch with onions, mash, peas and gravy, yesterday, at a town centre café. Generous portions and a a very clean establishment, too. It's been there for years but it was our first venture inside. It won't be our last.

      We also had flu shots at the Boots pharmacy. As usual, not a single ill effect for either of us, in utter contrast to some here who became quite unwell in the days following and have vowed to never have another.

      I'm somewhat puzzled by an incongruous juxtaposition at the northern end of the town centre shopping precinct. Next and Barclays are relocating because of plans to redevelop their part of the centre, but two vacant premises sandwiched between them are available to let.

      1. That is my favourite lunch.

        Was it pig or lamb liver? I prefer piggy. The lamb is too soft and pate like for my taste.

        If you ever see rose veal liver, especially if it is on offer try that.

        The flavour is incredible and makes the richest gravy.

  41. Several stabbed in Yom Kippur ‘terror’ attack at Manchester synagogue
    Several people have been stabbed and hit by a vehicle at a synagogue in Manchester, police have said.

    The suspect was shot by armed police, but is believed to be alive after the attack at the Heaton Park synagogue in Crumpsall on Thursday morning.

    The Telegraph understands the incident is being treated as a terror attack.

    A car was driven towards members of the public and one man was stabbed, Manchester Police confirmed.

    A spokesman said: “Paramedics arrived at the scene at 9.41 and are tending to members of the public, currently four members of the public with injuries caused by both the vehicle and stab wounds.”

    The attack took place on Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the Jewish calendar.

    Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham told people “to avoid the area”.

    He told the BBC: “It’s a serious incident but at the same time I can give some reassurance that the immediate danger appears top be over and GMP have dealt with it very quickly.”

    A North West Ambulance Service spokesman said: “We are currently assessing the situation and working with other members of the emergency services.

    “Our priority is to ensure people receive the medical help they need as quickly as possible.”

    Latest updates
    Samuel Montgomery

    02 October 2025 10:50am
    10:44AM
    Four people injured through vehicle and stab wounds
    Andy Burnham said a car has been driven at members of the public at the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue.

    He told BBC Radio Manchester: “I can give what I have been given by Greater Manchester Police, and of course it is a developing situation, so if people understand that at this point.

    “But what I have been told is police were called to the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue on Middleton Road, Crumpsall, at 9.31am by a member of the public stating he had witnessed a car being driven towards members of the public, and one man had been stabbed.

    “Firearms officers were deployed at 9.34am as police continued to receive further reports from members of the public that a security guard had been attacked with a knife. GMP declared Plato and a major incident at 9.37am.

    “Shots were fired by Greater Manchester Police firearms officers at 9.38am. One man has been shot, and that is believed to be the offender.

    “Paramedics are on the scene, arriving at 9.41am and tending to members of the public. Currently four members of the public with injuries caused by the vehicle and stab wounds. And obviously, Mike, to say members of the public are asked to avoid the area as police continue to deal with the incident.”

    He added: “There is a degree of reassurance that can be given here that it has been dealt with, it sounds as though very effectively, quickly, by Greater Manchester Police.”

    2. "A North West Ambulance Service spokesman said: “We are currently assessing the situation and working with other members of the emergency services.

      “Our priority is to ensure people receive the medical help they need as quickly as possible.”

      Gosh – there's a surprise….

    3. A terror attack? Isn't that presumptuous? Might it not be a crime of passion? A spurned lover or spouse? Perhaps it's a spat between rival crime syndicates?

      4. An isolated incident carried out by an individual with mental problems, definitely not a terrorist incident…..etc……etc…ad infinitum

    4. Might this have been driven by all the hate expressed towards the Jews, both from politicians as well as ordinary folk?

    6. "GMP declared Plato". I know that GMP means Greater Manchester Police, but what has Plato – a long dead Greek – to do with it it?

      4. Here’s answer Elsie
        Police said it had “declared Plato” – the national code-word used by police and emergency services when responding to a “marauding terror attack”.

      5. Start to worry when they declare a Socrates, a Virgil, a Homer, an Archimedes or — perish the thought — a Pythagoras!

      6. Sarah Wosserface on Radio 4 managed to pronounce it "Play Dough". A grim giggle on a grim day

        1. Many north Americans pronounce the letter 't', when it's both within a word and begins a syllable, as if it were the letter 'd'.

          1. She's not North American though. She's a Brit, English to be precise. I think (like most of us) she'd never heard the term before and thought herself to be pronouncing it accurately. Which I do find entertaining despite the ghastly context.

    7. Norwegian paper Aftenposten reporting that the attacker, shot by police, has died. Bastard. Hope he rots in hell.

  43. Rupert Lowe:
    After challenging the NHS trust leadership in my constituency about their use of the term 'pregnant people', I've been told that they use 'inclusive terminology' to acknowledge 'people who do not identify as being a woman who are pregnant.'
    They 'stand by' this terminology.
    This is mental – absolutely mental.
    Men do NOT get pregnant. Women get pregnant. They are the only ones who can. OBVIOUSLY.
    Should I be having to lecture medical professionals on biological facts?

    That's why there is a shortage of beds available in our hospitals. They are full of pregnant 'frocks' waiting to give birth.

    1. The NHS is referring to those who are female bit think they are male.

      My friend has sent me a link to a consultation on the Hampstead ponds, which are breaking the law by allowing “transwomen” to swim in the women’s-only pond (and “transmen” are allowed to swim in the men’s-only pond). There is also a mixed pond. The consultation is ridiculous in that you really really have to keep your wits about you with the language and it’s clear they want to get the answer they already have. Then at the end a while load of “identify politics” questions.

      Below for those with time on their hands. All options except the 1st are three mixed sex ponds. Only those with single sex changing comply with the law and give dignity & respect to biological females.
      https://hampstead-heath-bathing-ponds.commonplace.is

    2. Male sea horses do get pregnant, but then while they are not men, they have the legal right to identify as such.

      1. The female produces the eggs and transfers them to the male's pouch where they are fertilised and carried to term.

        You can only be pregnant if you have a womb. Which the male seahorse does not have.

        1. Much like marsupials. I think it was Attenborough who explained how this gives an evolutionary advantage.

          The production of sperm is less draining than the production of eggs. With the males carrying the young to term, the females can go out hunting and getting in prime condition to produce more eggs. The same principle applies to penguins, where it is the male that incubates the egg over the winter while the female goes out to sea feeding herself up ready for a nice big egg.

          In mammals, it is biologically skewed against the females, who not only produce the egg, carries it to term and then nurses it with milk. The role of the male is therefore supportive and protective, and these qualities are most valued in our species. This is undermined by modern social theories about gender, and these may well be undermining our evolutionary viability, at least among those cultures that have pushed “progressivism” into law.

          I have long argued (and been dismissed by those who assert they know better) that the most critical time for a human family is to support the husband with his career and prospects when his wife is expecting their first child. By simply taking care of him at this critical time, many marital breakdowns can be avoided, and the productivity of the entire family greatly enhanced. This requires a reversal of Equal Opportunities and feminism since the 1970s and no politician at present is willing to consider this. I actually challenged Sue Slipman, the champion of one-woman parenting, over this when she was rubbishing fathers at the SDP Conference in Harrogate in 1986. I was indeed at this very stage of life myself then.

          With high functioning species, such as the higher primates, the quality of the DNA passed down by both sexes is important. The theory of evolution has evolved itself since first Genesis was written, when Darwin conducted his observations, and in recent years with the discovery of DNA. It is quite likely, given the large amount of redundancy in DNA and its susceptibility to mutation, that the code is continually being adapted to suit local circumstances, and there is advantage in being best equipped to deal with whatever the living environment throws up. These changes can happen in about three weeks, and can be learnt and then passed down the generations. There is therefore a biological advantage in young parents, who have a greater capacity for adaptation than the elderly, but this is by no means assured – a 70-year-old capable of learning and adapting may pass on better genes than a teenager who will not learn or adapt.

          1. I don’t know why you think copy and paste arguments have any validity.

            As a Liberal you just accept doctrine as opposed to researching it yourself.

          2. Quite often, the source says what I want to say, but is much better expressed than I can write.

          3. How so? I copy-and-pasted nothing in my comment, and explained my reasoning behind an argument that is my own.

            Please provide the source doctrine where you claim I copied it from, apart from that Attenborough TV documentary about extraordinary creatures that is doing the rounds right now. I did watch that episode with sea horses and penguins, but is hardly doctrine.

  44. Afternoon, all Y'all.
    Lousy nights sleep last night, so taken a day off. Got up about an hour ago and done some tidying in the house and terrace.

    1. You're still worrying about Little Cat, I'm still hoping he'll find his way home somehow.

    2. I've asked my old friend in Australia to remind me of the details of her cat that walked very many miles to find her way home years ago.

      1. A lady in our village had a cat which went missing – 3 years later it turned up.
        She asked it where it had been and she swears it replied "Out"
        True!

    1. From what I have seen I'm surprised that this country is in such an awful mess. There must be at least 500 officials at the scene and everyone on tv since an right now has all the answers.
      But nothing but talking happens even when something as shocking as this Happens..but I heard that the police might have shot someone.

          1. It’s guaranteed that he gets referred to an investigative body.
            And that’s a bloody disgrace.

  46. Michael Deacon
    Britain will be forced into a cashless society – and Labour stupidity is to blame

    With the Prime Minister struggling to stop illegal immigrants being paid off the books, it’s only a matter of time before he abolishes cash

    I don’t know about you, but I’m growing just a little bit tired of the Government boasting that it’s “putting money in people’s pockets”. For one thing, it’s not actually true. Unless you’re on benefits – which, to be fair, some of Labour’s most dependable voters are – the Government does not put money in your pockets. It takes money out of your pockets. And, after next month’s Budget, it’ll almost certainly be taking out even more.

    But that’s not the only reason I dislike this endlessly parroted phrase. The other is that it sounds so pitifully quaint. Because the sad truth is, fewer and fewer people these days carry actual money in their pockets. Cash is dying out. And the alarming rapidity of its decline was laid bare this week by a report from UK Finance, the trade association which represents the banking industry. It revealed that last year, for the first time in this country’s history, fewer than 10 per cent of all payments were made using cash.

    Despite this, UK Finance says it doesn’t believe Britain will go completely cashless – or at least, not in the next decade. But I for one am not convinced. In fact, I think we’ll be forced to become a cashless society sooner than we think. And it’s all because of digital ID cards.

    Sir Keir Starmer’s supposed justification for imposing digital ID upon us is that it will stop unscrupulous employers hiring illegal immigrants to work in the “shadow economy”. But, as everyone with an IQ higher than 12 has been patiently trying to explain to him, it will achieve no such thing. Unscrupulous employers won’t care if their employees don’t have digital ID. That’s the thing about unscrupulous employers, Prime Minister: they’re not terribly scrupulous. So they’ll just carry on doing what they do now, which is to pay illegal immigrants off the books, cash in hand.

    I bet I can guess. He’ll think: “There’s only one way to stop illegal immigrants being paid cash in hand. And that’s to abolish cash.” Which I’ve no doubt will delight his Labour colleagues. They’ll think it will bring in lots more money for the state, by preventing plumbers from fiddling their taxes. So their pretend enthusiasm for tackling immigration will give them the perfect excuse.

    “Come along, voters!” they’ll chirp. “You did say you wanted us to deal with the small boat people! And anyway, none of you actually use cash any more, do you? Well, except for a few stuffy old biddies. And they’ll all be gone soon enough.”

    ************************************

    Sir MD Lep
    1 hr ago
    I had a wonderful day out with my wife yesterday. We were visiting pubs in a small market town I had a pocket full of £20 notes as the kitty. In every bar the staff proferred the " tippy tappy" machine. I declined and handed over cash. Only one insisted on card only. I will hang onto cash as long as possible. I think cash will be essential when the grid fails.

    Paul Freeman
    51 min ago
    The first thing Putin did before invading Ukraine was to take out the internet and the power grid. We would be colossally stupid to ever abolish non-electronic systems such as cash as a necessary backup system-redundancy option.

    Arthur Seaton
    40 min ago
    Reply to Paul Freeman
    And see what happened in Spain and Portugal when their grid went down last summer. Chaos!

    2. No mobile signal, no card reader. Starmer isn’t struggling to do anything except bankrupt the country.

  47. I wonder why the Ashkenazim want to return to the Holy Land. Baffling, isn’t it? My dad was very proud of the State of Israel. “They don’t put up with any nonsense there, you know”.

    On a personal note, the ECG this morning was good. It showed Afib but that’s a given. Nonetheless and despite the palpitations, my pulse was 95, which is of course perfectly acceptable. Will await the decision with regards to my meds.

  49. Oooooo he's on the case of this one. Make no mistake. No stone left..

    The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, said: “When I was informed of the appalling police behaviour that would be exposed by BBC Panorama, I knew it would be difficult to watch. But nothing can prepare you for seeing this kind of footage. It was sickening to watch police officers – those who are tasked with keeping our communities safe – display such blatant racism, misogyny, anti-Muslim hatred and excessive use of force.

    1. Meanwhile..
      After 23 months of anti-Israel hate marches – and Starmer's backing for Palestine – we Jews knew this was coming…

  50. BBC sent undercover reporter into a busy London police station.

    He heard hundreds and hundreds of hurty words and naughty suggestions. His husband thought he was risking his life working with such evil persons. No doubt he will be knighted for services to transsexuals and other BBC employees and Liberal and Labour politicians. The 43,000+ police and 5,000+ volunteers and employees are a little miffed at the extra months of indoctrination they are having to undergo. Still, the pay's not bad!

    1. I look forward to their investigation into the National Association of Muslim Police and the Association of Black Police.

  53. Photo of synagogue murderer is on the front page of the DT.
    He happens to be pale skinned, but I doubt his surname is Smith or Jones.

    1. Unless he turns out to be a full blooded gammon with a brexity bookcase and reform stickers all over his car the Starmbanfurhur will feel he has been cursed
      What awful timing for him

    2. I’m out of the loop. It’s gone from “attack” to “murder”.

      No doubt our esteemed Government (peace be upon it) will earmark more money to protect mosques, a la Southpoart.

        1. Definitely a slammer.

          Mental health will probably rear its twisted head.

          I do not believe mental health should not be used to mitigate his actions. He should be tried for the crime itself. When found guilty and sentenced he should spend all his time in a locked mental institution.

    4. It's muslim. It's always damned muslim. They must be burned out of this country. We must wash ourselves clean of this filth.

        1. Except they keep killing people. They keep raping children. When does this madness end? muslim cannot be allowed to live in this country. They're a constant, persistent menace.

          Why does the state bend over to protect these vile savages?

    5. Doesn't look very fit, not able to make a quick getaway more stroll away. Guess others may be involved, comms turn something up.

    6. No. That's just the photo, poor colour. He looks like one of a million Middle Easterners or Pakistanis.

      1. Beat me to it, Alec x you heard of large black cats escaping/being released from wildlife centres?

    7. As my Orish friend used to say..
      Starmer? a focker..
      Lammy? a fookin focker..
      The Labour party? A load of fookin fockers..
      Rev Ian Paisley? A courageous lovely human being.

      1. Facker: London.
        Fecker: Ireland.
        Ficker: Germany
        Focker: Nottingham.
        Fucker: Rest of the World.

    8. What was the term applied to groups of people who were paid to gather in theatres to be rowdy and disrupt the performance? That would be appropriate here too.

      1. "There's no direct historical evidence or common term for people being paid to be rowdy in theaters; rather, the recent viral phenomenon of audiences throwing popcorn and screaming during the movie A Minecraft Movie was a self-organized fan-driven trend, not a paid scheme. This disruption was a spontaneous reaction to specific in-film references, leading to a chaotic and messy atmosphere rather than a scheduled or compensated event."

        Google.

      2. Can't remember…rowdies? but always a lot of chucked out veg behind supermarkets end of each day – ammunition…

  57. Police presence will be stepped up around
    London synagogues says kahnt.
    But What did he actually do about all the Palestinian flag waving ?
    Unless in a similar vein aimed towards those with British and English flags, he called it racism.

    1. I may be a bit paranoid but he's the boss of the police in London. I can't help suspect that he probably encouraged the police to cause trouble at the 'Unite the Kingdom ' rally and not for the first time. He seems to be quite relaxed in allowing the lovers of Hamas to parade through the streets of a weekend disrupting the capital. But gets quite upset at the British asserting themselves.

  59. Why the BBC went undercover in the Met Police …
    Working with Panorama, Rory was backed by a very experienced BBC team which had carried out many other undercover investigations.

    Why no top notch Panorama investigation backed by a very experienced BBC team into the industrial scale rape, torture & even murder of white girls?
    Because it never happened.
    And even if it did happened, although it never did, it was white gangs wot did it.

    The mayor of London says there is no evidence of rape gangs operating in London.

    1. Hipster DEI fanboy Rory Bibb spent time covertly recording conversations in pubs where officers regularly socialised with colleagues.
      Met Police has previously demonstrated that officers expressing discriminatory views in private spaces, when off duty, are still accountable.
      Winning the trust of these officers often meant nodding along, or even laughing, perhaps appearing to agree, in conversations in which extremely racist views were aired.
      "I wasn't being me."
      A trap in others words. They should have known better than trust a Leftie.

      1. Even if they hold "discriminatory" views in private it doesn't mean they can't put them aside while working. And, I bet that a lot of those views are not discriminatory if you are a conservative.

    2. The BBC has form on paedophilia witness Saville to Edwards. There were rumours of others' involvement at one time – a paedophile ring.

      1. Who is to say the undercover spy didn't encourage their worst behaviour to make good TV and those parts were edited out?

        We all know front line staff including people that have to scrape bits of bodies from railway lines have have a macabre sense of humour.

        Not making excuses for them though. Some police officers should never have been hired in the first place.

    1. One of our radio ham friends proposed a to his girlfriend over the air. I said it wouldn’t last. It didn’t.

      1. Those who make a public spectacle of proposing marriage to another are engaging in coercive behaviour, whether or not they know it. The other party will be reluctant to reply with anything other than an enthusiastic yes, if only to avoid embarrassment and awkwardness, regardless of their true inner feelings. That's not to say that such marriages will always fail, but I wouldn't be surprised if the failure rate is greater than those which start with a private and romantic moment where the assent is more likely to be sincere, not fake.

        1. Well said. From my (cynical?) observations, the greater the splashing out on the wedding, the greater the chances of the marriage failing.
          After – sometimes years – of planning to the stage where that one day dominates your every waking thought, the humdrum reality of life together can be rather a let down.

          1. It getting to the stage where couples are lucky if they pay off the wedding celebration loans before they get divorced.

          2. When eldest grandson got married, it was traditional, in that the bride's parents footed the bill. Must have been a lot, as it was quite a bash. I did commiserate with her father in that he has another two daughters, so another two weddings to fund…

          4. When we were married my wife’s father had already spent a small fortune on the wedding of her younger sister. Thankfully our wedding was therefore modest by comparison and better and less embarrassing for it.

            The sister’s wedding was excruciating. So many truly ignorant people some barely connected to the groom including the entire family of his music teacher. Some music teacher (!) since the groom still cannot read music but twangs on a guitar.

          5. When we were married my wife’s father had already spent a small fortune on the wedding of her younger sister. Thankfully our wedding was therefore modest by comparison and better and less embarrassing for it.

            The sister’s wedding was excruciating. So many truly ignorant people some barely connected to the groom including the entire family of his music teacher. Some music teacher (!) since the groom still cannot read music but twangs on a guitar.

          6. Your observations are known to be a True Fact. I forget who/which entity did the survey sometime in the noughties but it gave convincing statistical proof that the more spent on the wedding per capita the shorter the marriage. Invte lots of people down to the pub after a cheapo hitching in the registry office and you're golden.

          7. Limited finances plus my very unromantic attitude kept our wedding very low key.
            We were married in February 1964.
            A lot of joint forbearance has flowed under the bridge since then.

          9. Our wedding was in the Registry Office on my birthday (because thy had a slot free that day), followed by lunch and then a bbq in the garden. We're still married.

  61. So recognising Palestine and calling the war in Gaza genocide hasn't placated the extremists then?
    More like emboldened them.

  62. 413742+ up ticks,

    Gettaway, is that so, another give away clue as what is to come will be the daubing of shop windows with anti Jewish slogans followed by parades of
    brown / black shirts leading to mass rallies in Hyde park, with the indigenous peoples saying "this surely cannot be happening in England".

    And still daily the boats keep coming only difference being they are getting bigger.

    Dt,
    Manchester synagogue killings declared terror attack

      1. Only to my police friends, most of whom are retired and very pleased to be so.
        Their views of what has been done to policing would align with Grizzly's.

  65. Afternoon all. Out to lunch today. Some people think I am permanently out to lunch, I know.
    Pensioners, in the main, have worked hard and contributed to society as well as their pensions. No wonder Labour despises and wants to destroy them.

    1. Hope you enjoyed lunch. En-route to Charing Cross Hospital earlier, I was musing on my present dependence on The Envy and it occurred to me that I’ve been working full time since August 1978. 47 years of contributions and for most of that time, I’ve bothered them very little.

      1. I have just had an amazing experience. I had a voicemail to say contact the surgery. I did and requested a call back. It rang almost immediately and I got an appointment on the 13th! That’s the day before I am due to see the musculoskeletal people at the hospital. All I need now is to keep the pain bearable until it’s looked at.

  67. The thing that really sticks in my craw about the murders in Manchester is this. Immediately it happened, there was hand-wringing and tweets from the pathetic creeps pretending to be a government (including some who are known antisemites) ; messages from the JWK and Woke Willie – "Thoughts and prayers…on this holiest of days…" Blah blah blah.

    All these effing people have said NOTHING while, every weekend since 7 October 2023, thousands of slammers and their ignorant fellow travellers have paraded through London (and other cities) waving Gaza flags and demanding death to Jews everywhere. NOT ONE WORD of disapproval.

    It makes me sick.

    1. Yep. Why – WHY T. F. – do we pander to this revolting, violent, savage, paedophilic bunch of vermin?

      1. And yet more blah blah blah.

        "Today’s attack raises questions about the state of the UK that must be urgently answered, Kemi Badenoch has said.

        The Conservative leader said the murders in Manchester “shock us all”.

        “On Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, Jews take time for introspection,” she added. “To ask themselves — where have we gone wrong in the past, and what do we need to do to be better in the future. These are questions we urgently need to ask ourselves as a nation.

        “Today’s murders raise new questions. And they will require new answers.”"

        1. The answer is obvious. Get rid of them! MAKE them leave. Where have we gone wrong? In letting a single one of them live here. Then of not brutally punishing their abuses. Of not stamping, repeatedly until they learn to behave.

        2. There are different ways of being shocked. Events such as this, in a sense, do not shock me. I'd be surprised if they did not happen from time to time. In truth, I expect them to happen more often, given the circumstances in which we live. I cannot predict when, where and how such attacks will happen, but I know that they will because we have a population which includes people all too willing to do things such as this.

          As for "new questions", I don't believe there's anything new to be learned from this. We all know why such atrocities happen and they will happen again, for the same reasons they've happened before.

          1. You are, of course, quite right, Stig. Do you think there will ever be a time when politicians actually state openly WHY these dreadful murders happen so regularly and WHO is always behind them?

      2. Because they stood as candidates in last year's General Election and won enough seats in Parliament to form a government?

    2. I can't help wondering if there are various scripts that are merely read at the "suitable" moment, whatever the tragedy, there's a pre-prepared soundbite.

      2. Yep, 'lone wolf, mentally ill', really white, our fault, not welcoming, racist!, not terrorism, stand together, community.. as Bill said: blah, blah, blah. The deceitful, boring, tiresome lies the Leftist state always spouts when muslim kills people.

        1. Again, the Beeb made a point of saying how "pale" the murderer's complexion. He looks Turkish or of that region to me. Much bigger than the tubby little depots from the Arab regions. A Musselman.

    3. The speed of response is challenging. The good old daily mail suggests that an SAS helicopter was onthe scene quickly as we're dozens of very heavily armed policemen.

      If they are that prepared to respond, just do something to prevent it.

      1. Are you suggesting that the plod knew in advance about the chap's likely morning activity?

        1. Are you being sarky, wibs? Do you honestly think they would give a flying one about any attack on a Tory (even a TINO)? Look at the parliamentary reaction to the Islamist murder of poor David Amess: an urgent Bill to crackdown on online hurty words.

    4. With you there, Bill. Commented less clearly earlier.
      Their antisemitism encourages this awful kind of event.

      1. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ebe6126176823c32eece11589463305c5e317aeabb8298dfb788064c25a4ccf4.jpg

        When an extreme left mob murders Farage for being a Nazi who joined Hitler youth the Left will not accept responsibility, they will utter a few platitudes and they will be as delighted as the Left in the USA were when Charlie Kirk was shot.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/38b87860010977493dfb191bf089b4d0e33579bb95e60a951d350ce8c4b46ced.jpg

        1. I am three years and a number of days younger than Nige. I feel as though I haven’t achieved enough. I also thought he must have been older.

          1. I took my "O" levels in !962, the year when Caroline was born, and my "A" levels in 1964, the year when Nigel Farage was born.

    7. SWMBO made a comment that, once they have dealt with the Jews, they will come for the Christians. Reminded me of this:

      When the Nazis came for the communists,
      I remained silent;
      I was not a communist.

      When they locked up the social democrats,
      I remained silent;
      I was not a social democrat.

      When they came for the trade unionists,
      I did not speak out;
      I was not a trade unionist.

      When they came for the Jews,
      I remained silent;
      I was not a Jew.

      When they came for me,
      there was no one left to speak out.

      Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
      habe ich geschwiegen;
      Ich war ja kein Kommunist.

      Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
      habe ich geschwiegen;
      Ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

      Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
      habe ich nicht protestiert;
      Ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

      Als sie die Juden holten,
      habe ich geschwiegen;
      Ich war ja kein Jude.

      Als sie mich holten,
      gab es keinen mehr,
      der protestieren konnte.[1]

      Friedrich Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller
      (14 January 1892 – 6 March 1984) was a Protestant pastor and social activist

    8. I noticed that Charlie Boy refrained from mentioning the "Holiness" of the day, confining himself to "one of the most important days in the Jewish Calendar". A couple of years ago Yom Kippur fell on the 7th October, a fact that has also gone unremarked by those that mouth the platitudes and protect the perps. The Beeb also banged on about Islamophobia (whatever TF that is supposed to be) in response to every expressed worry about the rabid Jew hatred that has engulfed (unchecked) particular sections of this country.

    9. From https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/02/manchester-synagogue-attack-where-anti-semitism-leads/

      Since the October 7 pogrom in Israel, anti-Semitism has been allowed to grow largely unchecked in our society. Those in positions of authority have simply not done enough. On marches, people have been allowed to display virulently anti-Semitic, pro-terrorist signs without consequence. Jews have experienced racism in the NHS, at schools and universities, in the workplace and outside their places of worship.

      This has formed a steady, ever-louder drumbeat of Jew-hate. Anti-Semitism has become normalised, the only acceptable form of racism. It is in this kind of toxic social petri-dish that those with violent intent gain the confidence and belief to act out their murderous and racist fantasies.

      The anti-Semitism that Jewish people have been experiencing has led a growing number of Jews to question whether there is a future for their families in Britain. Not for the first time in Jewish history, the question they have been asking is where in the world they can feel safe, where they can bring up their children and grandchildren without fear and practice their religion without inhibition.

      That this debate has been happening in the Jewish community is a terrible indictment of what has been allowed to happen in British society and the failure of those in positions of power to really deal with it.

      So what will the government and those in other positions of power do now? I am sure there will be speeches of condolence and commitments to support and protect the Jewish community. Many Jews will hear these words with a degree of cynicism, conscious that consistent warnings about rising levels of anti-Semitism over the last two years have been largely ignored. They will wish that real support had been shown, real action had taken place before a violent terror attack on Jews outside a synagogue on British soil.

      You would have to be either evil or stupid not to see where all the Jew hatred and support of anti-semitism was leading.

  68. Wordle No. 1,566 4/6

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    Wordle 2 Oct 2025

    Breadth for Par Four?

    1. It seems that starter words need replacing. A nice solid bogey

      Wordle 1,566 5/6

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    2. Bogey here – thought I had it in 4 but twas not to be…..

      Wordle 1,566 5/6

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    3. Lucky birdie.

      Wordle 1,566 3/6

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    4. Got by there with a Par by luck more than judgement.

      Wordle 1,566 4/6

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      🟨🟩🟨⬜🟩
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    5. Took me to 5 goes.

      Wordle 1,566 5/6

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  69. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/10/02/tesco-boss-warns-reeves-enough-is-enough-on-tax-rises/

    Except he assumes Reeves wants a pro growth and pro jobs economy. She lies and says she does, but in truth, she wants to destroy this country and make everyone poor, forcing massive wealth transfers so everyone loses. She wants to destroy merit, opportunity, responsibility and reward and replace it with a rationed, declining, poorer, miserable, unemployed, state dependent overrun hell scape.

    Why she doesn't just admit this is beyond me. It's blatantly obvious.

    1. Even Lammy, if you explained it to him slowly enough, might be able to understand that if you raise the cost of employing people then businesses will employ fewer people and with fewer people employed there will be less growth.

      What good are Reeves' degrees in Economics from Oxford and LSE if she cannot understand this and if she has never heard of the Laffer curve which shows that once tax rates are too high tax revenue will fall. This has been shown very clearly recently in that revenue from taxes on the sale of alcohol has tumbled since the last tax rise.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fd9a8039f324af21134d4c66175f3c668ed454c733f9af6be7d943fea6746208.png

      2. The Left insist that the Laffer curve has been proven wrong. Evidence doesn’t convince them otherwise.

      3. The Left insist that the more spending that goes on, the more the economy grows. Thus their emphasis is on state spending. The entire Treasury, OBR and financial press are wedded to this conceit.

        The difficulty with explaining these things to Lefties is that they don't want to understand. Their power base relies upon a big, expensive state.

        1. Y = C + G + I + (Exp – Imp)

          John Maynard Keynes's ideas did a considerable amount of damage.

          This is the rationale upon which too may socialists have thought that G (= government spending ) is a good and desirable way of increasing Y (= GNP)

      4. Not all taxes are imposed to raise revenue. Some are employed to change behaviour. Targeted taxes, such as those on alcohol and tobacco, are intended to moderate the consumption of those products. Whether or not they increase revenue is largely immaterial if they achieve different outcomes, either desirable in themselves or because they reduce state expenditure over the longer term, such as, in the examples I cite, of healthcare and, in the case of alcohol, crime and policing.

        1. But don't you find that blackmailing people to behave as you want them to behave by telling them that you will steal more of their money if they don't is a gross attack on personal freedom and an abuse of power?

          I think you would be able to adapt far better to Orwell's world of Nineteen Eighty Four than I ever would. Some people may like it but I loathe being bossed about and told what to do – especially when I am told it is for my own good!

          2. Not all taxes are imposed to raise revenue. Some are employed to change behaviour. Targeted taxes, such as those on alcohol and tobacco, are intended to moderate the consumption of those products. Whether or not they increase revenue is largely immaterial if they achieve different outcomes, either desirable in themselves or because they reduce state expenditure over the longer term, such as, in the examples I cite, of healthcare and, in the case of alcohol, crime and policing.

          3. Just because I point out something, doesn't mean I'm wholeheartedly in support of it. Perhaps I wasn't plain enough. Governments sometimes tax things without intending to maximise revenue. Saving expenditure over a longer period might be a motivation in preference to maximising revenue in the shorter term. Maybe they don't enjoy seeing people dying needlessly prematurely. How evil is that?

        2. Sin taxes. Labour love punishing people who do things they consider sinful- anything enjoyable, mainly.

        4. If changing people's behaviour really is a motive, why doesn't the govt make an effort to tax narcotics, VAT for a start?

      5. The LSE was a shit place in the seventies when Ralf Dahrendorf ran the place. Since those heady days it seems to have deteriorated further.

        1. Seems to be full of foreigners, mainly Chinese. I work right next to it. Lots of Muslims there too.

        2. One of my girlfriends in the early 60s and 70s used to study Economics and Russian at LSE. She spurned my suit and married a chap who became the head of IBM's European business.

          On reflection it was a good escape for both of us!

    2. Reeves has not a clue, She is completely out of her depth and arrogant with it. A useful idiot if ever there was one. Lammy another such. It's people like Starmer, Hermer and the Evil Emperor Blair that are implementing the orchestration of our destruction. They understand what is happening and they obey their masters – no doubt in exchange for future riches beyond their wildest dreams, Evil.

  70. On a lighter note – ref the comments about ostentatious wedding propopsals/announcements…..

    In the dark ages of the 1960s, when a person was seeking a divorce, he had to disclose if he had committed adultery himself. The document was called the "discretion statement".

    One client was a Royal Navy Rating. I (blushing as I was only 22) had to ask him whether he had ever committed adultery. He asked me to explain "adultery". Oh yes, he said, the first time was during the party following the wedding…

    1. Oh that reminds me of a friend inviting an ex-boyfriend to her wedding. At the wedding breakfast he boasted having bedded the bride and the bridesmaids.

        1. I am having lunch with Susan later this month.

          Can you advise on any protections i might take?

          3. Nothing to do with the lovely Ms Edison but I recall an old joke about a chap going out with a 'loose woman'

            His mate said; 'Did you take any precautions?'

            'Well, I tied a plank to my arse….'

  71. BBC in full damage limitation mode.
    BBC don’t know the motive.
    For sure the Far Right are divided on Jews.

  72. The funeral took place today at The Guards Chapel of Captain Elizabeth Godwin. She was the first woman ever to be commissioned in the Life Guards. Her obituary in The Times shows that she really was a very remarkable young woman and would have risen to the very top of the Army.

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/8720ee54-f53e-4446-ab95-e6957e6cf354?shareToken=c2051872ed654a45f62577d9a774dc13

    A tragic loss for her family and a great loss to the Army.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4dc0e534e5bca7d6dfc4259a6f9f94242d51d865db6b33a17a4ef02805991fbe.png

    2. Superb example of of an intelligent girl living her best life , using her skills and authority to lead others with strength by setting an example to everyone who knew her.

      A rare jewel that has been lost forever ..

      Beautifully written obit !

      1. Reminds me of the "base Indian" who "threw a pearl away Richer than all his tribe."

        [Othello]

  74. Former Defence Minister Sarah Atherton has defected to Reform in a blow to Tory leader Kemi Badenoch.
    (Wrexham residents, myself included, voted to leave the European Union).

      1. er, No. I was making sure she was the right type of Tory.
        I just sleep with the wife of one of the part owners of the football club.

        2. I spell it Wrecsam and write Cymru at the end of the address. I spent three years at a Welsh university.

        3. I used to pass through Wroxham from Norwich on the way to Barton Broad where I used to keep my Enterprise sailing dinghy when I was at UEA. I used to sail from Barton Broad to Horning where you could have a good lunch, and a pint or two at the pub by the water before sailing back from Barton to Horning.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/68d23ab4aecd9f0f93f50db77262d77d60b01590f793679009a0132e161d21ff.png
          My Uncle Basil, who was a surgeon/GP in Norwich, was the Commodore of the Norfolk Punts Club for many years and these flat-bottomed boats were extraordinarily fast in sheltered waters like the Broads where there were no significant waves.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6e585c3608a02eb7f67c3e8db09abbf39b50b9f70c2d8573d880f68ae294f665.png

          1. I’ve been to Wroxham (and Hoveton) many, many times. The entire is owned by ‘Roy’s of Wroxham’.
            There is, though, no Welsh language equivalent [‘Wrocsam’] as there is with the Welsh town of WREXHAM.

  75. That's me gone for the utterly depressing day. The only bit of good news is that the MR's handiwork with cement turned out perfectly. Anyone want three quarters of a bag of cement?

    Have as jolly an evening as you can manage.

    A demain.

    1. I could find a use for it but you're a bit far away.
      If it's in a plastic bas as opposed to a traditional paper sack, then if you store it in a dry place and cover it with a plastic sheet, it will stay usable for at least a year.

    1. So are the supermarkets going to take an apple out of each shopping basket? That would be around 200 calories.

      1. I noticed before the pandemic hoax Tesco's had a table at the entrance offering free fruit. I watched as people looked upon it with suspicion. I know supermarkets were doing separate collections for food banks but the offer of free fresh food in a market where people were going in to buy produce created a disconnect.
        That's best intentions for you. Thought out by people who have never suffered.

    2. Anyone still labouring under the delusion that counting calories is a sensible exercise, when it comes to food health and nutrition, needs sectioning for their own safety. Calories are utterly meaningless.

      Governments, health authorities, the WHO, and universities are all in the pay of the massive global corporations who want you to continue buying, and eating, their sugar-and-carb-laden crap. They are also in hock to 'Big Pharma' who want to manage your illnesses (caused by eating that crap) by selling you more and more medication that does not heal you, but simply manages your ailments (after all, to them, a patient healed is a customer lost).

      Fat has been demonised for the past half century, during which time obesity has skyrocketed along with the exponential increase of a myriad of 'modern' diseases, chronic and acute conditions, and deleterious ailments; none of which were prevalent before the advent of the 20th century.

      I am completely persuaded that the massive escalation in human stupidity is being carefully managed by these 'Big Brother' controllers, who have discovered that feeding people ultra-processed crap atrophies their minds.

      1. I dont know why you feel you need to keep hectoring us all on this, surely it's each to his own?

        I enjoy ultra-processed food and have a very 'sweet tooth' – thus far it has done me no harm and I remain in the most robust of health.

        Sorry, can I get back to you in a minute, I've just developed severe shooting pains in my chest……

      2. You are so wrong. It's basic science. If your body takes in more energy than it burns up, you will gain weight. If it akes in less, you will lose weight. All the fad diets in the world can't change basic science.

        1. Utter rubbish. I gained masses of weight by taking government health ‘advice’ and eating the crap they told me was ‘healthy’ to eat. When I did the research (i.e proper science) and stopped eating carbs, sugars, fruit and vegetables, I lost 60 lbs in weight, became stronger, fitter, sharper and a number of ailments I had suffered previously disappeared. I no longer suffer arthritis, gout, ‘brain fog’, acid reflux, headaches, blurred vision, itchy skin, or back pain. There is nothing ‘faddish’ about eating the species-appropriate diet for humans. Any talk of eating a ‘balanced diet’ is complete hogwash.

          I try to pass this message to countless people who suffer from all manner of chronic and acute ailments — every one of them caused by the crap they eat that they think is “good” for them. But they would rather go on eating that crap and getting more and more ill as a direct result.
          Eating inappropriate crap also causes stupidity. But that’s another story.

  79. 'Night All
    Nicked saved me a lot of typing the crocodile tears on the news sickened me
    "Can we all agree that singing Kumbaya and pledging to bring communities together isn’t the answer to Islamic terrorism. We tried that after Manchester Arena attacks and Southport and look where we are now.

    We need to address the root cause.

    Islamic radical jihadi preachers at the local mosques and pro Hamas politicians at Westminster.

    Let’s put the blame where it firmly belongs. And it’s only the right wing element of the political spectrum that is prepared to acknowledge this. The left are in cahoots or in denial."
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c4a1d668161b3a2134abc378fa0433246163c13273e0b6b867ed2696776d432d.jpg

  80. 413742_ up ticks,

    Pillow Ponder,

    The sad thing is every day the invading campaign gains strength,the outrageous anti Brit rhetoric coming from the TOOL & CO is high quality deflection material
    to goad the indigenous into minor reactions warranting major punishment.

    A major reckoning is on the cards IMHO and both sides will lose but, the clean air of freedom will be the indigenous victory award.

    https://x.com/PeteJacksonGMP/status/1973788169322549447

    2. A Christian preacher causing 'fear and harm?'
      Flaming Nora! Most ordinary, sane British people (not just whites) feel genuine fear and intimidation when they see 'them' wandering around in groups, or female 'them' top-to-toe swathed in black tents with barely their eyes showing, or hordes of 'them' praying in the street – all of which actions are designed to show dominance and instil fear.

  81. We were planning to go to Firstborn's farm tomorrow after work, but Saturday's weather forecast shows 86mm rain! Well over 3 inches in a day! I think we'll stay home.

  82. It is hard to credit it, but on my way home tonight a
    I saw a group of people waving a huge Palestine (sic) flag trudging down the Mall.

    Ffs.

    Do they not care? Do they have no humanity? Any self-awareness?

    I did shout something rude at them but I think they were too far away from me to hear it. I felt better though.

    1. Why should they? They're pandered to, indulged, excused, let off and have a completely different set of laws applied to their criminality. muslim knows this, so doesn't care how it behaves.

      Look at Khunt, for goodness sake. A serial liar, a crook, a hypocrite and pathetic loser kept in as mayor solely by muslim vote. In a just world, a decent one any muslim would now be cowering, wondering at the retribution a far, far superior society was going to unleash on them, instead, Al Beeb are desperate to blame us for their behaviour. The tame Leftist media will keep letting them off.

      We must get rid of them. They cannot be here.

      1. Of course it's not the sole the way he was elected. It requires plenty of other Londoners to outvote his opponents.

        As for getting rid, you'll never do that through elections. There will never be enough people in this country willing to vote for a party which vows to 'get rid of them'. Only violence, terrorism, mass murder, will frighten Muslims to leave of their own accord, and it would have to be in the face of the state's own forces directed to counter such atrocities.

        1. It's not the Muslims who are being targetted for these atrocities though, is it? It's Jews, children, peaceful ordinary people.

      2. Christianity and Jewry can co-exist.

        Islam cannot co-exist with either Christianity or Jewry.

        Does this mean that Christianity and Jewry must both go?

  84. At some point.. may be next year.. perhaps in two.. the mid-wits and Labour & Tory voters will realise they've been had. Big time.
    The entire civil service & GCHQ will be under Islamic control.

    1. It practically already is./ The diversity are constantly pandered to and indulged. The law is blatantly two tier and we're forced to fund these revolting swine.

  86. I've Been a little bit busy today a few jobs to get ready for the off tomorrow.
    Not sure if I'll have access to the Internet on the cruise liner.
    Good night for now Nottlers 🤗😴

    4. Internet access on cruise ships is usually ferociously expensive. Best use mobile internet when in port if your plan allows it, or buy an upgrade.

    2. Long past time to suppress these vermin. If they gather, deploy armed police with shoot to kill order.

      Pack these vermin into planes and dump them in gaza. Let the IDF deal with them.

        1. Have you noticed that whenever a Mohammedan commits murder, we’re told that most of them are peaceful and we shouldn’t take it out on all Mohammedans yet every Jew hater who doesn’t like the Rothschilds or Netanyahu, thinks it’s fine to target all Jews.

    1. Certainly hte Left have become emboldened. It's simply to ruin them. Make them subject to their own malice.

    1. Cat I saw was a Kellas cat, I think…seen some pics of one today. UPDATE: not a Kellas but a large domestic. Owner not heard of Kellas but now investigating, so that's a task he's looking forward to.

  93. Goodnight all. I am off to Buxton tomorrow for the weekend so may not have internet access.

    1. Enjoy your sleep, which I hope is peaceful, Conners. Give my best to Kadi and Winston. And I hope you all enjoy a good break in Buxton.

  95. The Daily T: Farage must be better protected, argues Tory rival
    Sir David Davis has called on Shabana Mahmood to explain why the Reform leader’s security funding has been cut
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/02/the-daily-t-farage-must-be-better-protected-tory-rival/

    Has there ever been such an evil, government in Britain?

    BTL

    The reason why the Labour government have taken away his security is because they hope he will be murdered.

    They know they can't defeat him with reason and sound political arguments so they have branded him as a far right fascist and have done their best to stir up hatred against him by comparing him to Hitler and saying he is a racist.

    It is quite clear that they are doing this in order to encourage a far left maniac to do the job for of getting rid of him for them.

  96. Well, chums, my bedtime has arrived once again. So I wish you all a Good Night. Sleep well and I hope to see you all early on Friday morning.

  97. December 2025 is a date that has been circulated by those connected to intelligence as the target for mass terror attacks across The West

    That'll wake up the mid-wits.
    Or will it?

  98. LOL of the week.

    Islamic Home Office release name of British citizen of Syrian descent.
    Jihad Al-Shamie.

    A literal translation is; an Islamic terrorist from the region of Sham (Syria).
    And this was his name filed by The Home Office?
    Altogether now.. You couldn't make this up.

    Think of the poor Islamic Blasphemy Law..

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