Thursday 4 February: Captain Sir Tom Moore embodied the virtues of the Burma campaign

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2021/02/04/letterscaptain-sir-tom-moore-embodied-virtues-burma-campaign/

963 thoughts on “Thursday 4 February: Captain Sir Tom Moore embodied the virtues of the Burma campaign

  1. Engineering at its Finest

    Quality Engineering
    This one is well worth the time to read it…….It made my day; I hope it makes yours too! You don’t have to be an engineer to appreciate this story. It is typical in Industry and Government too!

    A toothpaste factory had a problem. They sometimes shipped empty boxes without the tube inside. This challenged their perceived quality with the buyers and distributors. Understanding how important the relationship with them was, the CEO of the company assembled his top people. They decided to hire an external engineering company to solve their empty boxes problem. The project followed the usual process: budget and project sponsor allocated, RFP, and third-parties selected. Six months (and $8 million) later they had a fantastic solution – on time, on budget, and high quality. Everyone in the project was pleased.

    They solved the problem by using a high-tech precision scale that would sound a bell and flash lights whenever a toothpaste box weighed less than it should. The line would stop, someone would walk over, remove the defective box, and then press another button to re-start the line. As a result of the new package monitoring process, no empty boxes were being shipped out of the factory.

    With no more customer complaints, the CEO felt the $8 million was well spent. He then reviewed the line statistics report and discovered the number of empty boxes picked up by the scale in the first week was consistent with projections, however, the next three weeks were zero! The estimated rate should have been at least a dozen boxes a day. He had the engineers check the equipment, they verified the report as accurate.

    Puzzled, the CEO went down to the factory floor, viewed the part of the line where the precision scale was installed, and observed just ahead of the new $8 million dollar solution sat a $20 desk fan blowing the empty boxes off the belt and into a bin. He asked the line supervisor what that was about.

    “Oh, that,” the supervisor replied, “Bert, the kid from maintenance, put it there because he was tired of walking over every time the bell rang.”

    1. Indeed, and something I struggle with daily. Don’t jump to the answer, instead describe what the ideal outcome is, then we can work back to the solution.
      Another was the writing in zero gravity (apocryphal?) story of techno-biro vs pencil…
      Lordy, not enough coffee… Morning, Tom. All well, I hope?

      1. When I was in the VIth Form I spent a summer working in a self-service beachside café, staffed almost entirely by students. We were allocated a strict food & drink ration for breaks, otherwise the goods were off limits. The day started at 09.00, the first hour being spent on preparing the premises for the 10.00 opening to customers; the place was swept, the bogs disinfected, shelves & counters restocked, etc., etc.
        A colleague, whilst restocking, fell into temptation & helped himself to a Lyons Individual Fruit Pie (remember those?), opened the box & took a huge bite out of the comestible. Mouth full, he heard the manageress coming, so hastily he shoved the remnants back into the box & put it back on the stack on the counter, with a view to retrieving it later.
        When later came, he couldn’t find the said box, which means that at sometime during the morning a customer must have bought it & taken it away to the beach. Imagine the surprise on opening & finding the student’s bite-radius recorded for posterity in part of his lunch.
        There was never any come-back; those were the wonderful days when customers were shy about complaining.

        1. Lyons Individual Fruit Pies.
          That is a blast from the past. Two layers of cardboard separated by cheap jam, if I don’t disremember.
          Morning, Peddy.

          1. ‘Morning, Anne.

            Actually, I was quite fond of them, but not enough to risk my job.

          2. My father liked them. I associate them with camping holidays, so that probably skews my judgement.

    2. Indeed, and something I struggle with daily. Don’t jump to the answer, instead describe what the ideal outcome is, then we can work back to the solution.
      Another was the writing in zero gravity (apocryphal?) story of techno-biro vs pencil…
      Lordy, not enough coffee… Morning, Tom. All well, I hope?

    3. Always give the man on the job a say on solving problems.
      After all, he does the donkey work.

  2. Captain Sir Tom Moore should ‘absolutely have a statue’ says Boris Johnson, as country unites to ‘Clap for Tom’. 4 February 2021.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9599e8da13e128d7d0af4f3bb5e12b8a7c7725cd10fbc74e40396e32fdd7c78a.png

    Boris Johnson said he would “absolutely” support a campaign to erect a statue in honour of Sir Captain Tom Moore, as the nation came together to mark his memory with a clap on Wednesday night.

    Asked during the Downing Street press conference if he believes there should be a permanent memorial to Captain Tom Mr Johnson said: “I’m absolutely, of course, open to that. I know that that’s the kind of thing people would want to support and we will be working with his family to see what they feel is most appropriate.

    Morning everyone. Before no one asks I didn’t clap for “Captain Tom” and I wouldn’t support a statue being raised to him. To write this of course is to register yourself as surly at best and a nasty piece of work at worst. This said I don’t have anything personally against this man, he seems to have led an exemplary (unlike his political admirers) life and his recent activities have not been to his discredit. These latter have been transformed by the MSM into twee memes of Ancient Virtue, Faux Patriotism and Woke Sensibilities. May the man himself Rest in Peace but I suspect he would have been more interesting to know before he became a mascot for Government Policy!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/03/captain-sir-tom-moore-formally-honoured-government-hint-statue/

    1. Well said, ‘Minty…my thoughts exactly. This is just another episode of extreme virtue-signalling, the poor man’s memory has been well and truly hijacked to this end.

  3. UK on alert for ‘biggest snow event’ as -20C snowstorm to hit in days. 4 February 2021.

    People living near the Scottish mountains are warned heavy snow will bring the risk of avalanches to the region as the UK braces for a repeat of the devastating 2018 Beast from the East.

    The cold plunge will be driven in part by a massive storm over Russia and Siberia which has jolted weather patterns over the northern hemisphere and threatens to push temperatures to -20C after the weekend.

    We would be in deep sh!t without Global Warming!

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/1393007/Snow-forecast-UK-warning-heavy-snow-live-weather-event-snowstorm-cold-February-2021

    1. Looking at the forecasts for the last week or so then the snow must be quite deep up there already.

    2. Well, the couple of “snow events” we’ve had here didn’t last long after totally failing to live up to the Met Office’s predictions!

    3. I always thought the fear of deep sh!t was due to the inability to foresee that mechanised transport would replace horse drawn vehicles and as a consequence the demand for horses and oats…..

      1. London traffic ground to a halt by 6 foot of rose food.
        Now Mayor Khant is achieving the same thing with a different form of shiite.

    1. Are you sure its not a Red Herring? – there seem to be so many of them theses days……….

      Morning HK et al…..

    2. Morning, Harry.

      The fish depicted are the celebrated Arbroath Smokies. And that photograph shows, very clearly, the rapidly accelerating decline in the standard of journalism in a once-great broadsheet.

        1. Of course, unless there are 18″ long herring with a black lateral line that we—outside Aberdeenshire—have not yet come across.

          1. Arbroath is “outside Aberdeenshire” for a start.

            Smokies do taste wonderful straight from the pit, but they are pretty good anytime.

          2. I was just following the caption underneath the published photograph.

            Do Angus cattle taste differently to Aberdeen cattle?

          3. Yes, I had already commented that the caption is wrong further up the page. The traditional smokie – cooked in a pit or a barrel covered by damp hessian – is not produced in Aberdeenshire.

            The cattle breed is Aberdeen Angus – possibly reflecting the proximity of the two counties and the fact that the small black native cattle were similar in both (and across a wide swathe of Scotland beyond).

            It is well said of cattle that “half of the breeding goes in at the mouth”… Feed makes as much difference to the meat and its texture and flavour as breeding does. As far as Aberdeen and Angus are concerned it would be likely that there would have been a subtle difference between the cattle raised on the good soils* in the lowland parts of both counties and those raised on the much poorer upland soils of both counties terrain doesn’t pay much attention to county boundaries. And after everything you can ruin the meat by bad handling at the abattoir (or on the journey to it).

            *Aberdeenshire has some excellent soil profiles in parts, but lowland Angus, with its grade one land, has some of the finest soil profiles in the whole of the UK.

    3. Neither do they seem to be aware that traditional smokies are an Angus delicacy, not an Aberdeenshire one.

  4. So it looks like local facebook group Admins are getting fed up with their members posting stuff that later gets fact checked and they must get a ticking off for any that Nick Clegg doesn’t approve of.
    Mainly mine it seems.
    Looks like we are seeing the end of free speech on these platforms
    I wonder how long we have left on here?

      1. Ben kicked off now, feel quite relieved really it was like dealing with an army of trolls every day

  5. Good morning all.
    A better night’s sleep! I woke at quarter pat 7 this morning and was surprised to see how much the darkness is lifting. ½°C in the yard and a misty morning so far.

    Article on BML agitation against Captain Cook I see. No comments allowed but several on the Letters page:-

    Captain Cook statues under threat as Black Lives Matter campaigners add ‘genocidal’ explorer to hit list

    New additions to the list include Captain Cook Square, Captain Cook’s Crescent and James Cook University Hospital, all in Middlesbrough
    By
    Dominic Penna 3 February 2021 • 9:00pm

    Statues of Captain Cook are under threat after Black Lives Matter campaigners added the “genocidal” explorer to a national hit list.

    Two statues in London and Whitby, two museums and a pub are among 125 controversial landmarks and tributes that activists want to be renamed or removed.

    New additions to the list since summer include Captain Cook Square, Captain Cook’s Crescent, James Cook University Hospital, and a Captain Cook museum, all of which are in Middlesbrough, plus the Captain Cook Memorial Museum in Whitby.

    The ‘Topple the Racists’ list, compiled by the Stop Trump Coalition in response to the Black Lives Matter movement, has more than doubled in length since it was first published in June 2020, analysis by The Telegraph found.

    Other statues which are in the sights of campaigners, who claim that Britain “must face the truth about its colonial past”, include the Oxford tribute to Cecil Rhodes and numerous statues of Robert Peel.

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    “James Cook invaded Australia just over 250 years ago. He claimed possession over the entire nation even though it clearly belonged to the people already there,” the Coalition’s website reads.

    “What followed was 250 of genocidal activities and policies based on race that murdered thousands of women, men and children. Captain Cook symbolises racial oppression and violence… [The statues] must be removed.”

    Robert Goodwill, the MP for Whitby and Scarborough – home to one of the statues and the Memorial Museum – said targeting the memorials is “completely ridiculous”.

    “Captain Cook is one of the proudest sons of Whitby. The statue is one of our best known landmarks, and the Captain Cook Museum is one of our most popular tourist attractions,” he told The Telegraph.

    “They’re trying to erase important aspects of our history, and we all need to study history and learn from any mistakes. There were things done in the name of the Empire that would not be acceptable now, but we don’t need to expunge them from history.”

    Tourists visit the seaside town from as far as Australia to see the harbour from which Captain Cook first set sail on his voyage, Mr Goodwill added.

    “We’re proud of Captain Cook in Whitby, and we wouldn’t countenance any attempts to remove him from the history books.”

    The statue was designed by sculptor John Tweed and has overlooked Whitby, where all four of Cook’s ships were built, since 1912.

    Wetherspoons is understood not to have any plans to rename The Resolution, its Middlesbrough pub named after Cook’s flagship, as the chain believes the link is entirely historical.

    A Wetherspoons spokesman said: “It goes without saying that slavery is abhorrent. We will examine any examples of historical connections which are brought to our attention, including The Resolution, and discuss with customers and staff.”

    Polling commissioned by the BBC in 2002 saw Cook, who made the first recorded navigations of New Zealand and indigenous Australia, rank at number 12 in the Corporation’s list of the 100 Greatest Britons.

    Under new laws outlined by Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick that will take effect in spring, statues, plaques and memorials will not be removed without a formal planning process, with prominent context being given for more controversial monuments.

    In Australia, a bronze statue of Captain Cook in New South Wales which dates back to 1879 was defaced during Black Lives Matter protests last June.

    A Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government spokesman said: “Any removal should require planning permission and local people given the chance to be properly consulted.

    “That’s why we are changing the law to protect historic monuments to ensure we don’t repeat the errors of previous generations.”

    Under threat: Campaign group’s top targets
    Captain Cook statue, Whitby

    This has overlooked Whitby harbour since 1912.

    Captain Cook statue, London

    Completed in 1914, it stands on the Mall, by Admiralty Arch.

    Captain Cook Memorial Museum, Whitby

    On the harbour side of Grape Lane, it opened in 1986 and holds a VisitEngland Gold Award for Excellence.

    Captain Cook Square, Middlesbrough

    A retail site, home to cafes, shops and restaurants.

    Captain Cook Crescent, Middlesbrough

    A residential street in Marton.

    James Cook University Hospital, Middlesbrough

    A major trauma centre which provides specialist care and treatment.

    The Resolution, Middlesbrough

    Part of the Wetherspoon’s chain, it is named after one of his four ships.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/03/captain-cook-statues-threat-black-lives-matter-campaigners-add/

    A couple of the many BTL Comments on the Letters Page:-

    M E Greaves
    4 Feb 2021 7:13AM
    Now BLM are after Captain Cook. No comments allowed, of course.

    Let’s say it again:

    BLM have successfully set back race relations in this hitherto wonderfully tolerant country by decades.

    And yet, this is the country every “person of foreign extraction” seems to think is heaven on earth, worth risking their life in a dinghy, in winter, to come to.

    Semper fidelis
    4 Feb 2021 7:26AM
    BLM and its far left adherents together with its fellow travellers in academia, the charity sector, public institutions and the mass media have declared war on British heroes and there is no limit to their hatred of British achievements, history, culture and traditions.

    They are devastating and incontrovertible proof that Enoch Powell was correct in his intellectual analysis of the folly of unlimited alien migration and the disastrous consequences that would flow from such a policy.

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    1. Thanks for posting, BoB, although it makes for depressing reading. What next, I wonder? The sinking of the fine, full-sized replica HM Bark Endeavour in Whitby Harbour while the police stand around with arms folded planning their next visit to Greggs? Heaven help us all if these demented scum get anywhere near it.

      1. Why are we apologising? Why are we responding in any cordial manner? It seems to me that those of the BLM have no connection to the past they deprecate. Their protestations and terrorist acts are an illegal route to power. Do they stand for election? No. Yet we concede to them, instead of chaining them up.

  6. Good morning all. It seems that Ministers are worried that scientists are moving the goalposts on the Covid strategy. Who actually governs Britain?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/02/03/rishi-sunak-concerned-scientists-moving-goalposts-covid-lockdown/

    There seems to be an expectation that if we have a bad winter and SAGE orders it that we will have seasonal lockdowns. No! This was supposed to be an emergency response to an outbreak of a new virus, not a fundamental change to our way of life. Before any future lockdown there should be a full debate and vote in Parliament, a proper cost/benefit analysis produced, and a clear exit strategy. Democracy has effectively been suspended in this country and we will spend years to come clearing up the wreckage. This must never be done to us again.

    1. Boris wasted a lot of political capital by over-promising and under-delivering. Perhaps he’s learnt his lesson.

      1. 329059+ up ticks,
        Morning JBF,
        The johnson chap is programmed same as mayday & the wretch cameron,the whole kit & caboodle lab/lib/con, the three political facets
        are of the same identical ilk.

    2. 329059+ up ticks,
      Morning JK,
      Currently three major problems with thousands of minions.
      The lab/lib/con mass uncontrolled immigration / paedophile umbrella coalition party & party first whatever the consequences / minions.

      Must oppose the opposition at ALL costs, inclusive of mass paedophile rape & abuse, mass knifing / killings /
      mass daily ongoing illegal entry, mass political treachery,
      the lab/lib/con are of the same ilk as they have been for decades under the eu governance.

      Mass feeding of the bloated three monkeys residing within the polling booth has brought us to our odious pretty pass
      nobody but nobody can deny that.

    3. Morning, JK.
      Well said. I hope Rishi and Co. win this one. This palaver has gone on long enough; indeed, it shouldn’t have happened at all.
      Experts cannot see the broader picture; scientists tend to be autistic and unable to understand the need for human contact and spontaneity.
      Society needs its experts who can burrow down into a narrow field of expertise (I would imagine you have to be pretty focussed to develop vaccines), but they are not suitable people to run an entire country.

      1. Governments need to take into account a broad range of opinions, not just a narrow branch of Groupthink. Johnson seems to have only followed ‘The Science’ of the Ferguson/SAGE ‘lockdown or die’ stripe. What about the many eminent scientists of the Great Barrington Declaration, who advocate the sensible option of offering ‘focussed protection’ to those who needed it whilst letting the rest of us get on with our lives? Why not include economists, business people, education and children’s welfare advocates to give a balanced picture of the impact of lockdown policies?

        I still cannot decide if this is a global conspiracy by the elites or just a media-led panic. I obviously hope that it is the latter, but either way we cannot sleep-walk into a state where we blindly accept that our freedoms belong to the government, to be swept away from us at will.

          1. If Boris wishes to implement a ‘Green New Deal’ then I think he needs to go to the country again. He was elected to ‘Get Brexit Done’ and because he is not Jeremy Corbyn. He has no mandate to implement policies which would more usually be found in the Green Party manifesto.

        1. Media-led panic without a doubt. The media have been treating this issue like the everyday knockabout of regular politics instead of the medical emergency it really is. (Or was). Petty point-scoring by journos (Peston, Rigby et al).

          Constant demands for a running commentary, for facts, figures.

          Projections which are taken widely to be absolute predictions etc.

      2. To suggest that “scientists tend to be autistic” is on a par with suggesting that they all have red hair. Scientists, as with any other walk of life, come in all sorts, shapes, sizes, and mental attitudes. Some are certainly “on the spectrum” others are simply nowhere near it. Most are fairly ordinary people with spouses, children and hobbies outside their speciality.

        As for experts, lots of them can see the broader picture as well (or better) than most politicians or ordinary people. The few who are narrow in their outlook should not be considered the norm.

    4. “…a proper cost/benefit analysis…” Someone will have to explain to them what that is, I suppose.

  7. Holy relic: what will be left of the Church of England after the pandemic? 4 February 2021.

    A clergyman admitted to me that he’d recently burst into tears. He’d received an email from his diocese in this latest lockdown ‘strongly urging’ vicars to close their churches. He has an elderly working-class congregation in a poor area. Coming to church was ‘the one thing keeping them going’. Local vicars like him represent the best of the Church of England. They are loving, kind, and they know their flock.

    The plan to dismantle the parish network is quite simply the biggest act of church vandalism since the dissolution of the monasteries. It comes at precisely the moment when communities need the comfort and assistance of leaders on the ground. ‘Parishes are being kicked almost to death, then woken up and told to pay up,’ says one vicar. If clergy refuse to pass on their parish donations will church leaders listen?

    Very little one would imagine is the answer to the headline. That Welby would be distressed by this outcome seems unlikely since he was in my opinion appointed to bring about such a result. The C of E was for many centuries the conscience and moral guide for the UK. That position in the National Life had to be ended for its replacement to be!

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/holy-relic-what-will-be-left-of-the-church-of-england-after-the-pandemic

          1. I really don’t think that’s necessary! Perhaps an injection of – ooh let’s see – common decency?

    1. The CoE has lasted 500 years; I suspect it’s approaching its Luther moment.
      Morning, Minty.

    2. The CoE has lasted 500 years; I suspect it’s approaching its Luther moment.
      Morning, Minty.

    3. All churches in Scotland have been closed for some time. The clergy have co-operated fully with Mammon.

  8. ‘Morning, Peeps.

    Speaking of the Burma Campaign, we say good bye to a particularly courageous and outstanding soldier who somehow survived against a vicious, murdering enemy:

    Brigadier John Randle, officer who won an MC leading an attack under heavy fire in Burma in 1945 – obituary

    From an exposed position he directed men in an assault on Japanese machine-gun posts, and he was later ambushed by murderous dacoits

    By
    Telegraph Obituaries
    3 February 2021 • 1:35pm

    Brigadier John Randle, who has died aged 99, won a Military Cross in 1945 in the last weeks of the Burma Campaign.

    On April 30 1945 Randle, then a captain, commanded a company of 7th Battalion, 10th Baluch Regiment (7/10 BR), which had been ordered to attack a strongly defended enemy position at Pegu Hill, north-east of Rangoon.

    The Japanese were securely established on three small hill features in bunkered positions containing machine-gun posts which poured out a relentlessly accurate fire. These had to be silenced and Randle put in an attack covered by his mortars.

    As soon as the assault began, the Japanese opened up with mortars, a 75mm gun and medium machine guns. Randle’s men had to go through dense undergrowth and in order to direct the operation he moved to a completely exposed position under heavy and continuous fire.

    Not until the enemy position was overrun and the 75mm gun destroyed did he take cover.  His outstanding leadership, regardless of personal danger, was recognised by the award of an MC.

    John Pomeroy Randle was born on October 17 1921; his father was the manager of a firm of pencil manufacturers. He was educated at Berkhamsted School and then passed the entrance exam for the Royal Military College Sandhurst in summer 1939, only to find that it closed within weeks for the training of officers for regular commissions.

    He therefore applied to the Indian Army, and after an eight-week voyage spent six months at a cadet college at Bangalore. Commissioned in September 1941 into the 7/10 BR, part of the 17th Indian Division, he found himself in command of a company of 120 Punjabi Muslims.

    Posted to Burma shortly before the Japanese attacked across the Kawkareik Pass on January 22 1942, 7/10 BR was overrun three weeks later at the village of Kuzeik on the west bank of the River Salween. After several hours of fighting, 288 officers and men had been killed and 229 were taken prisoner.

    Randle was able to break out but it took him two days to get back to the British lines. “All our wounded were butchered by the Japanese,” he said afterwards. “It was an atrocity which governed the battalion’s attitude for the rest of the war.”

    A week later, the Sittang Bridge was blown prematurely, with 100 members of 7/10 BR still on the wrong side of the river. In the space of a little over a week, the battalion had lost eight of its 13 officers and 600 other ranks.

    In the long retreat of the British Army out of Burma, across challenging terrain, Randle commanded the rearguard company. Because of the danger of men going to sleep and failing to get up, after every stop numbers were checked.

    When they finally reached Ranchi, north-east India, in September 1942, they were in poor shape. Randle was appointed adjutant and the battalion had to be rebuilt and re-trained.

    During the retreat, a Pathan havildar (sergeant) had encouraged a dozen Indian soldiers to desert. After a court martial, the battalion was ordered to form a hollow square. The disgraced man was led into the middle in chains. Randle, speaking in Urdu, had to pronounce the sentence of death. This was later commuted to penal servitude for life.

    In October 1943, 7/10 BR rejoined the 17th Indian Division – the “Black Cats” – in the Chin Hills, some 170 miles south of Imphal, on the Indo-Burmese frontier. The following year, they carried out a fighting withdrawal into the defensive box around the key area of Imphal and fought a series of fierce battles against the crack 33rd Japanese Division, known as the “White Tigers”.

    In the battle for the central Burmese city of Meiktila in March 1945, Randle was blown up on a minefield. He was not wounded but suffered permanent deafness. Naik (Corporal) Fazal Din, also serving with 7/10 BR, was awarded a posthumous Victoria Cross.

    The 17th Indian Division led the advance southwards, and on August 15 1945 – VJ-Day – 7/10 BR was little more than 60 miles from where they had been when the Japanese invaded Burma three and a half years earlier.

    After the war, normal civil government and the Burma police took some time to establish themselves, and bands of dacoit robbers raided villages and buses, robbing, raping and murdering.

    While leading a patrol, Randle was ambushed by a dacoit gang, about 12 in number. They fired a shotgun at him but missed, and then charged at the soldiers wielding knives. A few short bursts from Brens and Tommy guns and they were all dead.

    On another occasion, soldiers in a Gurkha battalion dressed up as Burmese women and boarded a bus, posing as passengers. When they were ambushed by armed dacoits, the panic party of “women” fled into the jungle. The dacoits, expecting easy pickings, ran up to the bus, only to be met by a hail of fire from soldiers hidden on board behind camouflaged sandbags.

    Randle transferred to the British Army, accepted a commission in the Devonshire Regiment and joined the 2nd Bn in Lüneberg in October 1946. He served in Singapore and Malaya during the Emergency; in Kenya during the Mau-Mau rebellion; in Cyprus during the Eoka uprising and in British Guiana in 1964 after a declaration of a state of emergency.

    During the latter tour he commanded the 1st Battalion, the Devonshire and Dorset Regiment. To quote from the citation for his appointment as OBE: “Randle went at once to the mining town of Mackenzie, some 70 miles inland, where racial murders, bomb throwing, savage beatings, arson and rape had begun. He saw to the taking over of the operational area by the Army, coordinated the duties of the police, the British Guiana Volunteer Force and his troops.

    “He soothed racial tempers, calmed the nerves of the white population, alternatively pressed and coerced the mining company to provide launches, vehicles and accommodation and arranged for the evacuation of 1,000 East Indian refugees from the area.”

    Randle was Divisional Brigadier, the Prince of Wales’s Division, before being appointed Brigadier Overseas Detachments. During an active retirement, he was regimental secretary for nine years, president of the Baluch Regiment (UK) Officers’ Dinner Club and a stalwart supporter of the Burma Star Association. He wrote Battle Tales from Burma, published in 2004.

    John Randle married first, in 1947, Peggy Miskimmin, who died in 2003. In 2010 he married Joy Hunt (née Myburgh), who survives with a son from his first marriage who also served with the Devonshire and Dorset Regiment.

    Brigadier John Randle, born October 17 1921, died December 14 2020

    A BTL comment:

    Peter Wayde
    3 Feb 2021 9:11PM
    What can one say….his life makes one breathless…extraordinary.

  9. The news from the US gets more depressing by the day.

    For example, Biden’s new Secretary of Defense, Lloyd Austin, a man of a certain hue, has ordered military-wide stand-downs to “Address white nationalism,” and rid the military of “Extremists and racists”. He also called for an immediate suspension of all committee operations while the Pentagon conducts a review of 42 advisory committees. This is to purge committees of members who were appointed by Trump.

    I hope the USA doesn’t have to face its enemies any time soon, with these hand-wringing liberals in charge. China, Russia and Iran must be laughing their heads off!

      1. As long as the officers are Trump voters, it will be deemed a patriotic act.
        (Gawd, I’m showing my age!)
        Morning, Sos.

    1. This is to purge committees of members who were appointed by Trump.

      A Stalinist concept and with the same intention here: to produce a politically reliable officer class!

    2. This is to purge committees of members who were appointed by Trump.

      A Stalinist concept and with the same intention here: to produce a politically reliable officer class!

    3. It will make it easier for the new officer class to command American soldiers to fire on American civilians in the expectation that they will be obeyed.

      1. It occurs to me that the more immigration the more chance there is of forming different ethnic battalions. As the Romans found using different ethnic soldiers was very effective in subduing native populations….

    4. He is obviously scared witless of a military coup.

      I wonder what time today, he will be shot.

    1. And looking at what is happening in NI as we write, I hope the EU hierarchy is truly proud of itself; may they rot in Hell.

    2. It was as a result of this atrocity that all service coaches do not bear any signwriting, they are just plain white. The irony is that this makes them very easy to spot!

        1. Not quite the point I was making, BoB. The coach involved in the atrocity bore the livery of a local firm with the contract to shuttle Army and RAF personnel and their families to and from Catterick. It was only afterwards that plain service MT became the rule.

    1. Morning Anne. Conway appears to have withdrawn after having been told to FO by Peddy. For a man with his life difficulties it was probably a step too far!

  10. I’ve just had an absolute whizzer of an idea!

    Let’s commission a statue of Captain Sir Tom Moore; erect it in a prominent place (Trafalgar Square?); then permit the ‘woke’ generation—a coterie of gormless cretins who have given nothing, taken a lot, and achieved fuck all—to desecrate it, riot against it, and then pull it down in a hissy fit of right-on ‘wokeness’.

    1. They could transport it to Bristol and throw it in the harbour. Imagine, 2 police farces standing by and watching, the fun of it!

  11. U.S. should delay complete troop pullout in Afghanistan -report to Congress. 4 February 2021.

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The United States should extend the May 1 deadline for pulling all its troops from Afghanistan, and make force cuts contingent on progress in peace talks as well as by the Taliban in reducing violence and containing al Qaeda, a bipartisan report to Congress said on Wednesday.

    These are just Weasel Words of course. It is back to unwinnable wars in the Middle East!

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-afghanistan-military-idUKKBN2A33BG?edition-redirect=uk

  12. Morning all, normal thought provoking article from Sherelle Jacobs
    My comment to add to this, my youngest has started her final placement as a student nurse and spent her first day battling NHS bureaucracy trying to arrange staff parking. The following day off duty at home brought little success despite phone calls and e-mails, it turns out being on the system is not enough, activation requires printed confirmation.
    Tomorrow is another 7-8:30 long day, another expensive parking fee day to pay for her?
    NHS style reform is not likely to bring about meaningful change to my mind.

    Even with vaccines, an unreformed NHS may force us back into lockdown

    Sherelle Jacobs Daily Telegraph Columnist 4 February 2021 • 6:00am

    Those three words, “Protect the NHS”, are so haunting because they are no longer just a temporary call of duty. They are an assertion of our final fate. Like other Western countries, Britain has discovered that, in the era of super-catastrophic risk, the health service is its heroic Achilles’ heel; with the lean sinews of ICUs stretched to their limits, the PM has shut down society on three occasions to avoid a mortal wound. A mixture of healthy altruism and unhealthy delusion got us here. Society is reassuringly repulsed by the idea of letting the vulnerable die in high numbers, but it also has an unrealistic view of the powers of modern medical science. Large-scale deaths will never be politically or ethically tolerable, whatever the sacrifice required to prevent them.

    As a result, the unthinkable – annual winter lockdowns – is starting to look plausible. This is the biggest challenge to those who hope that calls for a scorched-earth Zero Covid will evaporate in the summer heat. Trying to eliminate the virus may be madness, but seasonal shutdowns are not a persuasive alternative.

    This may seem like a grim prognosis as the vaccine rollout gathers momentum. But consider two reasonable scenarios. First, Covid may remain endemic even after vaccinations have been offered to every adult – with circulation rates exacerbated by low vaccine uptake among ethnic minority groups living in dense conurbations. Next winter, certain urban hotspot hospitals may find ICU numbers have not fallen as drastically as hoped. Even in areas where hospitalisations plummet, a “twindemic” of Covid and a bad flu season could prove destabilising.

    Second, a mutation resistant to existing vaccines could emerge. There is no Plan B in such a scenario, apart from modifying existing jabs. It is reassuring that the virus has harmlessly mutated thousands of times since last January. And for all the dystopian hype, the chances of a lethal mutant hitching a lift via Heathrow remains remote. But more realistic – and potentially just as complicating – is a flu-like scenario, whereby the virus evolves as our immunity builds following natural infection. We may be stuck in a game of developing yearly vaccines that will never deliver a final victory over Covid.

    The question is how to prepare the NHS to cope – or more disturbingly, whether it can even cope at all. After the current crisis eases in May, the NHS will be too busy firefighting to lay any groundwork for solid reform. Critical care units urgently need to recruit more staff to boost capacity; in truth they will be lucky to prevent current cohorts quitting. PTSD has exploded in ICUs, with almost half of staff reporting symptoms in one January study. Nearly one in five nurses confessed to considering self-harm or suicide. Some are being diagnosed with “moral injuries” – feeling guilty or unable to feel at all – over their inability to save every patient. Senior doctors lie awake at 3am fretting that their wards have collapsed. Their juniors are overworking, unable to cope with the contemplative solitude of days off in lockdown.

    As a result, a crisis is stewing in the bureaucratic bowels of the NHS. Managers are reportedly increasingly torn between giving staff the support they need and stemming a summer spike in sick leave, just when hospitals need to deal with their non-Covid backlogs. One clinician I recently spoke to prophesied that, should bosses put their head in the sand, staff will “leave in droves”. When senior NHS figures complain that at least soldiers get leave after six-month tours, those of an earlier generation might wonder whether frontline doctors and nurses are as resilient as they used to be. But perhaps what has really changed is the expectations of the public. When you can’t afford to let your rank-and-file rest and recuperate, you know you are losing the war.

    Whether the war can even be won is an open question. ICUs have been in the business of death-defying miracles since their invention in polio-ravaged 1950s Copenhagen; back then, student doctors took it in turns to keep patients alive by pumping oxygen into their lungs by hand for months on end, administering a certain number of breaths each minute. As society ages, so our assumption that ICUs can outwit death has intensified. A sense of individual responsibility to look after our health has not intensified with this, nor has the NHS model shifted towards prevention to stimulate such a sentiment. The health service may be transitioning from paternalist “church” to market-driven “garage”, but there is no equivalent to the yearly MOT.

    The impact has been disproportionate spending on end-stage disease, and degrading neglect of end-of-life care. A third of patients receive non-beneficial treatments in the last six months of their life. One in five do not survive following ICU admission. And these days, critical care is not just the frontline of society’s distressing battle against mortality, but the dumping ground – the malfunctioning of our social care system has left hospitals dangerously clogged with elderly suffering minor conditions.

    The bottom line is that the NHS has broken under the weight of our expectations. Thus, further winter lockdowns remain a serious possibility. In this scenario, the choice is simple and devastating: either society accepts the lower life expectancy of a world with endemic coronavirus, or we suffer limitless ruin to our quality of life, in the pursuit of Zero Covid.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/02/04/even-vaccine-unreformed-nhs-may-force-us-back-lockdown/

    1. The virus is always going to be endemic now- it will mutate constantly just as flu does. We have to live with it.

    2. 329059+ up ticks,
      Morning VVOF,
      I cannot remember lockdowns owing to TB being a life shortener and TB was rampant up until being nigh on eradicated in GB.

      Right up until the lab/lib/con introduced mass uncontrolled immigration.

      No masks, no lock- downs, certainly NO atmosphere of mass fear.

    3. “Large-scale deaths will never be politically or ethically tolerable…” Utter nonsense. Politically unacceptable perhaps, but ethics have little do do with it. Atheism and humanism have pervaded society to the extent that decisions are made that will help people to cling on to life at any cost to society.
      Hence the lockdown. We should have taken reasonable steps minimise the spread of the virus and to “flatten the curve”. That would have required the correct action to be taken promptly. It wasn’t. People died anyway, and will continue to do so, but we wreckd our society for no real benefit.
      There appears to be some idea that we can defeat disease and trauma and live forever. We cannot.
      As for the poor staff of the NHS, it seems that having to actually work is causing the distress. My observations in the past have been that staff did very little. Factory workers have to work eight hours flat out with the legally required breaks, no chatting at the coffee machine when they feel like it.

      1. Alf has posted a while ago about a stay he had in hospital where the old gentleman opposite him had his food tray left out of reach. The nurses all clustered around the computer and seemed uninterested in helping him reach. This old boy also had an oxygen appliance that the doctor said should only be used for half an hour. Did the nurses come and remove it at the designated time – the hell they did. Only after Alf reminded a nurse when she next put in an appearance on the ward!

        1. After my operation i had to be moved to another Hospital to correct the mistakes made. (Non-stop bleeding). By this time i had gone 48 hours nil by mouth.

          When the nurse eventually appeared it was to remove the dressing and apply the new one. She was also supposed to put me on a saline drip which she forgot. Eight hours later another nurse came to give me another saline drip and was surprised i hadn’t had one. 60 hours nil by mouth. It certainly stopped the bleeding.

          1. If your aspirin dose is a daily one I hope you’re taking something to counter its acidic effect to the stomach.

        2. Seems about right. I was in hospital and had an operation. Movement was possible but difficult and painful. Shortly after I came round from the general anaesthetic the nurse on duty said that “if I needed to go to the bathroom just ring the bell and I’ll help you”.
          Some short time later I needed to go to the bathroom. I pressed the bell. A different nurse turned up. I asked for help to get to the bathroom. The nurse refused and said that she’d get me a bedpan.
          I refused a bedpan, I don’t know how to use one successfully and did not fancy trying.
          In the event, I slid out of bed and crawled across the ward floor to the bathroom.
          A change of shift can change everything.

          1. I would have summoned the sister in charge of the ward to my bedside & complained, as I did when an Irish male nurse tried to force tablets into my mouth. I didn’t 1/2 tell him off.

    4. “… with circulation rates exacerbated by low vaccine uptake among ethnic minority groups living in dense conurbations” I wonder how many of us nodded in silent agreement with this sentiment?

      1. Interestingly only this evening I heard the vaccination rate of 95% for the 80 plus age group is likely to be the upper limit for various reasons. Apart from medical considerations, our ethnic members in the UK seem to have a strong aversion to the vaccination in their communities, a fact we seem to be aware of.

  13. Hello Project Fear, where have you been?:

    BBC would cost £400 per year if turned into subscription service, says Tim Davie

    Corporation claims it offers almost twice the value for money as Netflix, but warns documentaries could soon be cut

    By
    Anita Singh,
    ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT EDITOR and
    Christopher Hope,
    CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
    3 February 2021 • 11:44pm

    The BBC would cost more than £400 per year if it was turned into a subscription service, the corporation has said, as it claimed to offer almost twice the value for money as Netflix.

    Each hour of BBC television costs a household only 9p, the BBC said, while the equivalent cost for streaming services is around 15p.

    “Compared with the market, the BBC continues to be very good value for money,” the broadcaster said in a report entitled Value for Audiences.

    Unveiling the report, Tim Davie, the director-general, also said that fewer BBC shows will appear on Netflix in the future. Research has shown that many people mistakenly believe hits such as Line of Duty and Peaky Blinders are Netflix’s own.

    Instead, some of those shows on Netflix and Amazon will revert to iPlayer or BritBox once their current contracts with the streaming services have expired, and many new shows will be reserved solely for iPlayer.

    “The person who is waiting for that show to come to Netflix will be increasingly disappointed,” Mr Davie said.

    Setting out its value-for-money case, the BBC said in the report: “Taken together, a bundle of subscriptions providing advertising-free, high-quality services comparable with those offered by the BBC across video, audio and news would cost over £400 per year in comparison to a current licence fee of £157.50.”

    The BBC arrived at its figure by adding the average cost of Netflix, Amazon and other streaming services that offer a mix of drama, entertainment and documentaries; music services such as Spotify; and premium online news services.

    The report stated that the BBC has seen a 30 per cent real-term reduction in its income in the last decade, while facing increased competition from new challengers.

    It warned that the broadcaster might need to make “difficult choices” as it tightens its belt further.

    Speaking later to the Reform think tank, Mr Davie said his focus would be on doing less – and one area ripe for cuts is documentaries. He said that content which is worthy but gets few viewers will be cut from the schedules.

    Cutting documentary output will be “sensitive,” he said, but the BBC should concentrate on “landmark work”.

    He went on: “It has to be a better use of our resources than the alternatives… It’s not enough to say: ‘It got a low audience but it’s a very worthwhile thing to do’.”

    The BBC’s claim that it offers value for money in comparison to Netflix and Amazon was criticised by Tory MPs.

    Philip Davies, a former member of the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport select committee, said: “If the BBC is such wonderful value for money, why does it continue to insist on the criminal law being in place to force people to pay for it? If they really believed that, the BBC would be happy to join Netflix and move to a voluntary subscription.

    “Their desperation to avoid a voluntary subscription is the only proof we need that the BBC don’t really think they represent such wonderful value for money.”

    Andrew Bridgen, MP for North West Leicestershire, said: “The fact that if you want to watch live TV you have to buy a TV licence even if you don’t wish to watch the BBC’s output is like going to the newsagent to buy a copy of The Telegraph and being forced to pay for a copy of The Guardian.

    “The BBC is out of fashion, out of date and out of touch – and being out-competed by its competitors as the viewing figures show.”

    During the Reform discussion, Mr Davie admitted that he wished the BBC had made Bridgerton, the Netflix costume drama that has been a ratings hit and won plaudits for its colour-blind casting.

    “Now and again there’s a piece like Bridgerton where we look at it and go, ‘Respect is due.’ I’m going to be honest about it,” Mr Davie said.

    1. providing advertising-free, high-quality service” – I don’t know if Mr Davie has noticed but the BBC is not advertising free – each programme break is packed with trailers for other shows etc. As for “high quality” he must have missed the interminable reality & game shows and the multitude of repeats.

    2. “The report stated that the BBC has … while facing increased competition”
      That’s interesting. Has the BBC considered whether it should be in competition with the entertainment channels?
      Mr Davie certainly thinks so. “Now and again there’s a piece like Bridgerton where we look at it and go, ‘Respect is due.’ I’m going to be honest about it,” Mr Davie said.
      Bridgerton is a fake period drama, intended to create a quite unreal view of the past. Much of BBC output is trash, often immoral, vile, with foul language rife.
      He is suggesting that “landmark work” will be more of the circuses and less of the science perhaps. Programmes on art and music may have smaller audiences than the appalling “Mrs Brown” but they are, together with an unbiased in-depth news service, what the BBC was created to do.

      1. For some years now it has been the BBC’s aim to dominate broadcasting in this country, which is not difficult with an annual income of around £3.6bn. However, their barely-concealed bias, which is a clear breach of the Charter, must surely count against their continued existence, although the last Charter renewal by the spineless Whittingdale was a serious abuse of a process designed to keep them on the straight and narrow. I do not have any confidence that this government will do the right thing at the next review.

    3. What they don’t mention is you have a choice as far as subscribing to Netflix and Amazon – with the BBC you don’t. A pox on them, I will not buy a licence.

    4. Who cares what it costs, or is worth? It’s that YOU MUST PAY FOR ALL OF IT, against threat of criminal prosecution.
      Let’s apply the same to Sainsbury’s. You have to pay them £20/week, even though you shop at Tesco. No pay, see you in court.

    5. Time and again the bBC answer to financial pressure being brought to bear, on making them a subscription service, prompts the ‘threat of reducing their documentaries.

      With a daily schedule of repeats, game shows, ‘reality’ tv (which since the debacle of the ‘competition’ to name the ‘Blue Peter’ dog remain under suspicion of fixing) all funded by a guaranteed £3.8Bn pa in bBC tv tax and £1Bn pa from HMG (i.e. the taxpayers) in support of the ‘World Service’, it seems strange that the threat is always to drop the ‘quality’ end of the programming. Though, for example, recent, let’s call them poorly researched, ‘Panorama’ specials may have already harmed that area more than a perceived lack of funding.

      With their guaranteed annual funding, the bBC still seek to monopolise the airwaves by competeing with like-for-like shows on the ‘Freeview’ channels. Why not concentrate on producing quality shows/documentaries and leave the ‘Celebrity Baking On Ice’ nonsense and soap operas to the other companies, who rake in funding through the phone-in voting system and advertising other companies products?

      The bBC could always do what any private firm would do and cut their cloth to fit by chopping back to two TV channels and four National radio channels, letting private companies fill the ‘vacuum’ of local broadcasting. If nothing else we might get away from the feeling that all media companies are in lockstep producing the ‘news’ as passed as fit for public consumption by a central committee.

      Luvvies and bBC (or hopeful bBC) employees extol the virtues of the bBC ‘quality whenever pressed for an opinion. If the bBC actually aimed to produce higher quality programmes, viewing numbers may initially drop but with the financial support (through subscription) of the aforementioned luvvies that should prove no barrier.

      One final comment, how are UK politicians allowed to use their taxpayer-funded expenses to pay the taxpayer-funded bBC tv tax (and in the form of Gordon Brown and Jacqui Smith their Sky subscriptions – apparently they needed access to Sky Newz)?

      1. “…let’s call them poorly researched, ‘Panorama’ specials…”

        For the episode about PPE..to find all five contributors from the ranks of leftie activists, union types and other Tory-hating types is pretty good for our leftie BBC! And they wonder why trust in their output is waning.

        As an aside, Guido Fawkes is currently running a campaign to highlight this nasty little practice…hardly a week goes by without uncovering at least one of these people.

    6. Here we go again! “Value for Money”. Well, if most households are paying the TV Tax by compulsion, then you will get a lot for your money, but ‘value’ is purely a matter of opinion.

  14. Yo all

    Reading the posts below, it made me wonder, if since Margaret Thatcher we have a had a PM who actually has had the interest
    of the United Kingdom at heart.

    Every one of them have eroded our way of life.

    A Pox on them and ther families. forever

    My next worry is what happens when Her Majesty the Queen dies

    I imagine we will turn into a Republic, ruled by Wee Jimmy Krankie and back in the EU

    Well, that is it for doom and gloom, a stroll along the promenade ito town to do a bit of shopping

    1. No need to be despondent 1LT there’s a good chance it will turn out much worse, despair is what’s required! 🙂

    2. Some years ago that left wing ‘think tank’, the Fabian Society, said that the monarchy will not be abolished in favour of a republic because it would take 25 years to make the change and cost countless £billions.

      So, all is not lost – yet!

    3. “My next worry is what happens when Her Majesty the Queen dies”

      Bercow and Blair will get their Knighthoods.

          1. Yes thanks Belle. I’m improving every day and feel amazing! Can’t believe it’s only a fortnight and my only small worry is coming downstairs. And having to sleep on my back, which I hate! The district nurse is on her way to change the dressing again and then we’re going shopping and I’ll make some soup! I am so grateful to be out of pain! No snow here yet but daughter in the Borders has a lot! What about you?

          2. The English Channel has dumped on us , the water meadows are like lakes . Garden is sodden and slippery , and the rain is heavy but gentle if you know what I mean .

            Soup yes , lovely , what sort? I may repeat my leek and potato soup .

          3. How did you guess! That’s exactly what I’m going to make! Mmm! Can’t wait now so it’s the pressure cooker for me! Nurse has just taken off the padding so the wound is now uncovered! Dare I look? Last time it looked like a pork joint before you put it in the oven!

        1. Juggling prescriptions.. Some i can’t take within two hours of others. I have had to make a chart !

        1. Juggling prescriptions. Some i can’t take within two hours of others. I have had to make a chart !

          1. You need one of those boxes with days and times – a dosette box! I’m sure the pharmacy would do one for you. Go on pet, do a bit of wheedling!

          2. Used one for years, Philip and it holds a fortnight at a time with room for twice daily. A Godsend along with an Excel spreadsheet of how long each medication is going to last. Giving time to request repeat prescription, as and when. If you needed it, it may also be used for 4 times a day but only for seven days.

          3. Yes, they do. A tray laid out for a week. You pop the plastic cover for the time and the day.

    4. Morning OLT

      I guess that we are in real trouble if more than 25% of the population are of foreign extraction and haven’t a clue who Margaret Thatcher was or who cannot recite the Lord’s Prayer.

      Over 10 million of 80+ and 70+ year olds , baby boomers and pre war children have trekked as per instruction to their jab stations to be protected from the wrath of the Chinese virus .

      This will be the last time any of us with a memory of how life was before the great immigrant betrayal will be given any consideration .

      We were all educated to a certain standard, and perhaps more , had the ability to to walk into a job/ training scheme, purchase a home , and had the ability to laugh at ourselves , enjoyed humourous banter , and knew that the law makers were fair and square.

      Libertarian Britain has done us no favours in the past thirty or so years.

      1. …and a memory or knowledge of the millions of brave men and women who gave their lives in two world wars, for the very freedom that those ‘who haven’t a clue’ are using to betray us.

        1. Yes, say I with a little trickle of tear in my eye.

          We are approaching sad times where that old expression will ring true .

          “You’re not really dead until everyone who knew you is dead too”

          When the snowflake generation won’t have a clue how life used to be .

      2. I would say the last 60 or so years. I remember when all the luvvies wanted to do away with censorship and I think that’s about when standards began slipping – most people laughed at Mary Whitehouse but she did have a point.

    5. After that, to cheer myself up, I will take Spartie for a walk in the fog.
      I may be some time.

    6. After that, to cheer myself up, I will take Spartie for a walk in the fog.
      I may be some time.

      1. You’re probably right Sue, sadly, I thought they were all hilarious except the British one. Great to have a proper laugh.

          1. I seem to recall that one of her husbands died of blood poisoning, contracted in Kenya.

      1. I do remember, Spikey on one my UK contracts, one of the team came back off leave to announce that she had married and was now Mrs Boyle, at which one wag raised his coffee cup in a mock toast to, “Mr and Mrs Boyle and all the little plukes.”

        1. You live & learn on here.

          Pluke – Urban Dictionaryhttps://www.urbandictionary.com › define › term=Pluke
          A person with zits – it’s onomatopoeic from the noise it makes when you squeeze it. by Redhat December 09, 2003.

          Nice at lunchtime 😉

  15. ‘Morning All

    Start with a Laff

    Recently, a female copper arrested Patrick Simon Lawrence, a 22-year-old
    soldier of the Parachute Regiment temporarily stationed at Credenhill
    on Special Forces selection who was found fornicating with a pumpkin in
    the middle of a field on the Callow at night. The next day, at
    Hereford magistrates court, Lawrence was charged with lewd and
    lascivious behaviour in a public place, public indecency as well as
    drunk and disorderly conduct . The accused explained that he was
    passing a pumpkin patch whilst walking on his way home from a drinking
    session at Saxtys wine bar when he decided to stop to urinate in the
    field. .
    ‘You know how a pumpkin is soft and squishy inside, and
    there was no one around for miles, or at least I thought there was no
    one around,’ he stated. Lawrence went on to say that he walked over to
    the side of the field, picked out a pumpkin that he felt was appropriate
    to his purpose, cut a hole in it and proceeded to satisfy his pressing
    need.
    ‘Guess I was really into it, y’know?’ he commented with evident embarrassment.
    In
    the process of doing the deed, Lawrence failed to notice an approaching
    West Mercia Police car on rural patrol and was unaware of his audience
    until WPC Brenda Taylor approached him. ‘It was an unusual situation,
    that’s for sure,’ said WPC Taylor. ‘I walked up to Lawrence and he’s
    just humping away at this pumpkin.’
    WPC Taylor went on to describe what happened when she approached Lawrence …
    I said “excuse me sir, but do you realise that you’re having sex with a pumpkin?”

    He froze in the beam of my torchlight and was clearly very surprised that I
    was there, and then he looked me straight in the face and said, “A
    pumpkin? Shit … Is it midnight already?”
    The court (and the judge)
    could not contain their laughter. Lawrence was found guilty only of
    being drunk and disorderly and fined £10.00 and sent on his way.
    The Hereford Times wrote an article describing this as “The best come-back line ever.”
    The MoD spokesperson stated that Cpl Lawrence had been returned to unit.

    1. And to think that if he’d been caught before midnight, he’d have been shagging a golden carriage.

    1. At the next doorway, turn right towards the fridge.
      At the fridge door, grab the handle and pull outwards.
      On the third shelf up you have arrived at your reading glasses.

      1. Good morning Anne

        Thank you for suggesting we watch Netflix and The Dig ..
        We thoroughly enjoyed the film, it was gentle , kind and very interesting . The Suffolk scenery is beautiful , and I have never been there sadly.

        I do wish though that we could have seen the treasures in all their glory , as an addendum .

        Anyway , I searched around and found this https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/magazine/2017/01-02/sutton-hoo-england-anglo-saxon-treasure-ship/

        https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&rlz=1C1CHBF_enGB775GB775&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=What+treasures+were+found+at+Sutton+Hoo?&ved=2ahUKEwjLjvLihdDuAhUpQUEAHYO8AtcQ420oAHoECBEQBA&biw=1280&bih=578&dpr=1.5

        1. We enjoyed it. I gather much of the filming was done in Sussex, but they certainly picked an area that closely resembles Sutton Hoo.
          Commonsense told me that film crews wouldn’t be allowed to trample all over the site.
          On a warm, sunny day, it is a lovely place to go with family + picnic.
          The cafe does scrummy home made cakes (or did, a few years back). We also love Woodbridge, which is a proper little town.
          These are precisely the low key, spontaneous treats that MB and I are missing.

          1. The same here .

            I miss my favourite crab sandwich sitting outside overlooking Portland Bill.

            Or a rootle around in a charity shop .. Oh dear , I daren’t reminisce!

          2. After forty years, we still remember sitting outside a pub beside Weymouth Harbour eating wonderful crab sandwiches.

          3. My uncle kept a small sailing boat on the Deben at Ramsholt. I used to love those trips there, sailing up and down the “muddy little ditch” as my cousin called it. They’re all long-dead now.

        2. Suffolk is worth visiting.
          These are Orford Harbour last year:-
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/80cfcf11f6b9315ca0841ed8c4e2b46c176bcab2534404fe8c215b8bae572606.jpg

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ef532fff56f563b107bd47da057ad0e4f6b122f61c5ffb0cabf9029b74fe747.jpg

          And further down the coast, dawn at Shingle street:-
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/afbc269b52bcf900f425d60e5466d2493b8224601ce9d891f984a9cb4c3e922a.jpg

          The Coastguard Cottages used to be mere yards from the highwater line when I was there on exercise in ’72. Longshore drift has dumped several hundred yards of shingle in front of them now. Where I was stood taking this shot, back in ’72, would have been a couple of hundred yards offshore:-
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d82bc52912f2dfb7d1d183e53992fde65fe5deac8d62660a03a020f830820b25.jpg

          1. Somewhere I’ve a photo I took from a MEXE Float looking towards the Coastguard Cottages during the exercise from somewhere about where I took the wide angle shot of them.
            The float was a good 200m offshore!

      2. Good morning Anne

        Thank you for suggesting we watch Netflix and The Dig ..
        We thoroughly enjoyed the film, it was gentle , kind and very interesting . The Suffolk scenery is beautiful , and I have never been there sadly.

        I do wish though that we could have seen the treasures in all their glory , as an addendum .

        Anyway , I searched around and found this https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/magazine/2017/01-02/sutton-hoo-england-anglo-saxon-treasure-ship/

        https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&rlz=1C1CHBF_enGB775GB775&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=What+treasures+were+found+at+Sutton+Hoo?&ved=2ahUKEwjLjvLihdDuAhUpQUEAHYO8AtcQ420oAHoECBEQBA&biw=1280&bih=578&dpr=1.5

      1. It’s about reinforcement. To just have a thought and act on it isn’t enough. One needs to strengthen the thought and then you won’t forget. And yes, it happens to me too.

      2. It’s happened to me all my life. As a child I was a daydreamer and my mind was apt to wander along a different route to my body. I’m actually much more focused now.

  16. Strange that, I had a day yesterday when the ‘New Comments’ banner appeared all through the day.

    Alas, not a peep today.

    1. Thank you Anne a terrific video. Who is the young lady presenting it?

      We were talking to our 17 year old grandson yesterday about this, while with us he was informed he’d achieved an A in his mock history A level, and he was very interested in Sutton Hoo and The Dig. We’ll send him the link.

      1. I don’t know. She is good. No histrionics; just a clear, fresh and informative delivery.

    2. What a fabulous piece of workmanship that helmet is – one can only marvel at the technical brilliance of craftsmen in those times, and in ancient Egypt.

  17. Good morning, all. Waiting for phone call from GP…. Sometime today. Taking it easy.

    Pity BPAPM didn’t fetch Cur Ikea one…

    1. The Witch in Downing Street needs to be banished and then put on the dunking seesaw stool by the Thames adjacent to the Houses of Parliament. Crowds could assemble for the spectacle provided they wear appropriate masks and pay. Of course those with a prime position on Wordsworth’s Bridge will be charged at least £1,000 + VAT.

      1. This is thanks to Johnson’s new friendship with Gates who has persuaded him of the financial benefits of Davos.

    2. Johnson must be informed of the disastrous damaging environmental plans he has for this country. He is sacrificing this country as an example to other countries which very few, if any, will follow.
      He plans to vandalise the gas distribution facilities which taxpayers have paid for over many years. He will severely damage, at incalculable expense, properties removing gas boilers and radiators in his frenzied condition. Will he abolish oil boilers in rural areas?
      His plan to abolish petrol and diesel cars being produced will involve charging points in their millions destroying normal life in towns and villages and making long distance travel hazardous. He has no idea of life outside London.
      He is taking the UK back to the 19th century with his delusional plans. Johnson needs to encourage necessary industrial businesses and not to pander to the demands of the vocal, sometimes rebellious, Green factions in this country.

      1. There is a fixation on the middle way, on compromise, on half-heartedness. For example, electric cars. I think electric cars are a bad idea. However, their introduction has been done on the cheap which mitigates against their success. Scotland is quite big and you cannot drive from one end to another in an electric car. The answer is to relay the road system with electrical conduits under the road surface from which vehicles would draw their electricity. It has been done for trams.
        The Victorians showed us the way, Indeed they showed the whole world. Railways were a massive project, but they did it in a grand fashion.

    3. This plan to make meat more expensive via some ridiculous green tax is one of most depressing things I have ever heard in my life. Properly reared meat is expensive – they should ban intensively reared meat if they want people to eat less of it. (I am not necessarily advocating that). This new law will probably result in more cheap meat rather than less, as producers will try to cut costs to the bone!

  18. I wonder if there was any familial military connection?

    The Burial Of Sir John Moore , After Corunna

    Charles Wolfe

    Not a drum was heard, not a funeral note,
    As his corse to the rampart we hurried;
    Not a soldier discharged his farewell shot
    O’er the grave where our hero we buried.

    We buried him darkly at dead of night,
    The sods with our bayonets turning,
    By the struggling moonbeam’s misty light
    And the lanthorn dimly burning.

    No useless coffin enclosed his breast,
    Not in sheet or in shroud we wound him;
    But he lay like a warrior taking his rest
    With his martial cloak around him.

    Few and short were the prayers we said,
    And we spoke not a word of sorrow;
    But we steadfastly gazed on the face that was dead,
    And we bitterly thought of the morrow.

    We thought, as we hollow’d his narrow bed
    And smooth’d down his lonely pillow,
    That the foe and the stranger would tread o’er his head,
    And we far away on the billow!

    Lightly they’ll talk of the spirit that ‘s gone,
    And o’er his cold ashes upbraid him —
    But little he’ll reck, if they let him sleep on
    In the grave where a Briton has laid him.

    But half of our heavy task was done
    When the clock struck the hour for retiring;
    And we heard the distant and random gun
    That the foe was sullenly firing.

    Slowly and sadly we laid him down,
    From the field of his fame fresh and gory;
    We carved not a line, and we raised not a stone,
    But we left him alone with his glory.

  19. Great new analysis in ”Conservative Woman” demonstrating that lockdowns do not work…. and that the UK as usual is following the wrong policies thanks to Gates………..

    ”Yesterday in TCW Will Jones reported evidence from the United States that lockdowns don’t work, showing how the states which stayed open during the autumn and winter (eg no stay-at-home orders) all saw their case rate declining last month, at the same time as cases in Lockdown UK started to decline. He asked how, in light of this, can Sage stick with their irrational adherence to lockdowns – the belief that without them the NHS would be overwhelmed and deaths would rocket. The comparative death toll figures reported below make further nonsense of their position.”

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/from-the-us-proof-that-lockdowns-arent-needed/

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/covid-doomsday-modellers-face-challenge-of-real-world-facts/

    1. Unless a country or part thereof is geographically isolated from the rest of the world and can easily afford to cut themselves off (economically) for the entire duration of the pandemic, all lockdowns do – at least as regards the virus itself, is delay the spread for a period of time, as is being discovered in California in the US.

      Of course, the secondary effects of lockdown – a lack of schooling for children and young adults, increased anti-social behaviour and crime in the (bored) young, mental health issues, reduced physical fitness (especially in the elderly and other groups ‘shielding’) a lack of diagnosis and treatment of other illness and disease and the primary and (long term) secondary effects of severe economic downturns are likely, in the end, far worse.

      The reason why this has thus far been essentially ignored by the MSM is because many of these detrimental effects will take a minimum of a year, and likely many years to fully develop. Discussing such things without seeing them on the ground isn’t ‘sexy’ journalism – i.e. sensationalist, but showing videos of people on ventilators in hospitals certainly is (despite that happeneing to large numbers of people every year anyway). It’s all about selling newspapers and ratings on TV, not responsible journalism. That died 5 years ago, at least for mainstream outlets, possibly even earlier.

      It’s why the MSM with their social media/tech giant (temporary) buddies that they are trying to stop the rise of the small independent media sites that aren’t leftist or establishment crony types – the ones who question the narrative.

    2. The virus reached its winter peak a month ago and is now on a natural decline. This may be accelerated by the the vaccine roll-out but would have happened anyway. Lockdowns just cause untold collateral damage.

    1. Demand may fall – we hear reports of EU workers leaving, and with more 100,000 dead with or from the virus, perhaps we can save a bit of our countryside from white flight. Or pigs might fly.

    2. They should stop second homes and holiday homes in Scotland – the youngsters can’t afford the prices paid by those wealthy enough to have them.

      1. Not just, Scotland, Spikey, all countries and counties of the UK are thus afflicted but if you expect a lead from HMG, forget it.

  20. I don’t agree with the knee jerk Trump references, but an interesting article:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/03/trumpian-eu-has-demolished-final-reasons-existing/

    “The Trumpian EU has demolished its final reasons for existing

    The incompetent bloc’s treatment of Northern Ireland explodes its claim to be a ‘progressive’ force

    3 February 2021 • 9:30pm

    What is wrong with Ursula von der Leyen, the hapless bureaucrat who presides over the European Commission? Why the horrendous descent into sub-Trumpian rhetoric, the demonisation of pharmaceutical firms, the threats to divert vaccines? Why the demagogic flirtation with toxic anti-vaxx scare tactics? Why the misrepresentation of scientific findings, and the baseless attacks, in concert with other European leaders, on Britain’s vaccination strategy and the AstraZeneca jab?

    Even more shocking has been the careless inflaming of tensions in Northern Ireland: after spending years claiming that they didn’t want a hard border, the EU almost imposed one by diktat last week. Its ongoing attempt to undermine the UK’s unity through its intransigent interpretation of the Withdrawal Agreement is a disgusting overreach which increasingly risks a crisis in the province.

    As Boris Johnson has now formally warned, the UK may have to act unilaterally, invoking Article 16 of the protocol to suspend the Agreement, unless the EU drastically reviews its absurd interpretation of the texts. Extending the so-called grace period on traders moving goods from Great Britain to Northern Ireland until 2023 won’t be enough.

    But the possibility of the Agreement being swept aside begs the question of what will happen to the UK-EU trade deal, which has yet to be ratified by the European side, and more broadly of relations between Britain and Brussels. The UK has already put up with far too much. If everything goes very wrong, von der Leyen and her protector Angela Merkel, the most over-rated continental politician of her generation, will be entirely to blame.

    The EU’s descent into madness or even downright malignancy can be explained by a combination of Covid-related desperation, incompetence, Brexit and the panicky realisation that the historic vision that inspired Europe’s elites since the Second World War is crumbling before the eyes of despairing, devastated electorates.

    There were three rationalisations for the EU’s creation. The first was to forge a new era of peace and unity; the second was to use its clout to ensure the economic and personal security of Europeans; and the third was to pioneer a superior, morally righteous form of progressive governance in a Kantian, post-nationalist world. Seven decades after the launch of the European Coal and Steel Community, Robert Schuman’s “first step in the federation of Europe”, it is clear that the EU has proved ineffective at best and a calamity at worst on all three counts.

    The vaccines fiasco is proving far more damaging to the project than the Eurozone crisis. Together with years of feeble economic growth, that tragic episode showed not just the EU’s inability to deliver prosperity, but also how savagely smaller members were treated. But it was always possible to blame Germany, or national politicians, or the complexities of modern economies, and Brussels survived.

    Responsibility for the jabs nightmare cannot be deflected. EU politicians put integrationist ideology before lives: in the spirit of Brexit, Britain’s Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency went it alone, giving the Pfizer/BioNtech jab the green light early. We were still covered by EU rules, but used an emergency procedure which other countries could also have invoked.

    The European Medicines Agency took almost another three weeks before approving its first vaccine. But that was just the start of a litany of errors: Brussels and most member states were too slow at procuring vaccines, failed to diversify orders, were too concerned about cost and lacked the skills required to negotiate. The French gambled on homegrown vaccines that didn’t materialise; Macron and others failed to distribute the jabs they do have quickly enough.

    Europe’s reluctant elites realised they couldn’t stop Britain from leaving, but they decided that we would have to pay a heavy price pour decourager les autres. At first, it worked: support for leaving the EU has fallen across much of the continent since 2016. But the vaccines fiasco radically changes the cost-benefit analysis of Brexit even in the minds of Europhiles. The advantage from a speedier vaccination will be worth thousands of lives and much economic growth; this more than offsets the slightly slower annual growth rate economists usually claim will be the result of leaving the EU. Brexit is already a net gain for Britain: this is a potentially terminal body blow to the Europhile narrative.

    It is no longer possible to deny that the EU is a power-hungry, unethical bully. It waged a five-year war of attrition against British democracy, and Mario Draghi’s most important qualification for being appointed Italy’s new prime minister is that the European Central Bank likes him. Brussels doesn’t care about peace in Northern Ireland. It has no real interest in genuine free trade: its concern is merely to extend its jurisdiction and legal and political supremacy. It has unnecessarily imposed trade barriers on the UK on the bogus grounds of defending the single market.

    At a time when Brexit Britain is taking moral stances on Hong Kong and Alexei Navalny, the EU continues to suck up to the Russians via Merkel’s beloved NordStream 2. At best, the supposed European superpower intends to act as some sort of amoral non-aligned player, friendly to China and happy to take Nato handouts in return for nothing.

    Post-war European ideologues thought that it was worth giving up on national democracies for the sake of peace, efficiency and a more rational political order. That trade has failed. Instead of brilliant technocrat-kings forging a European demos, complex, finely balanced peace processes are being sacrificed in a fit of pique. The EU was meant to be the antithesis of Trumpism: it was billed as a law-governed, humanist Rechtsstaat. In reality, it is incompetent, uninterested in the rule of law, threatening and autocratic, all Trumpian hallmarks.

    A 70-year experiment has failed: there is no longer any justification for the people of Europe to continue to allow themselves to be governed by these second-rate apparatchiks and retread politicians. The EU will stagger on, perhaps even for many years, but never again must it be allowed to claim the moral high ground.”

    1. Indeed – AH spoiled his article by his ‘Trumpian’ reference to the EU’s tratment of the vaccine/NI issue, which was IMHO a completely incorrect comparison. Sadly, I think it was done deliberately to keep the paper’s ‘Orange Man Bad’ narrative going up to the ‘impeachment’ (show) trial as part of their pro-Biden, anti-Trump (and Trump voter/supporter) narrative.

      I still wonder how so many people still subscribe to the DT after all this and many other changes in their political leaning over the last 5-10 years. It’s either that or maybe we should (like Trump with the election results) start to seriously question the subscription figures the DT publishes every month.

    2. I read the article very early this morning and almost couldn’t get past the “Trumpian” reference! OK! We get it – you don’t like him – but please stop the playground insults when not even relevant!

      1. It’s like they just can’t help themselves. You’d think that from the number of times he’s still the subject oir mentioned in articles that he was still the sitting president. If they are THAT scared of him (and their US counterparts), then to me this gives credence to the allegations about voter fraud, and they believe he’ll won’t be ‘convicted’ in his impeachment (show) trial and will be back in 2024.

      2. #MeToo, Sue, I agree 100%

        Not only playground insults but the cardinal sin of kicking a man when he’s down.

        1. Insults like that say far more about the person giving the insult than ever they do about the intended target. Consciously and subconsciously we judge them for it.

        2. They fear him. Why, when you think about it is quite obvious but the extent of that terror is fascinating. The statists are pathetically weak and constantly afraid.

    3. The Trumpian slur is completely irrelevant and spoils an otherwise good article.

      The EU is a toxic malignancy and we are well out of it. I don’t think ratification of the Trade deal will come any time soon – Boris should tear it up and go WTO.

      1. Bother! I can’t give 3 upticks.
        Trump is a bad example for the writer to use as he put blue collar America back to work, and more.
        We are indeed well out of the EU, nearly. We can see every day the damage they seek to inflict. We still have French boats catching our fish. If our boats catch fish it cannot be sold in France as their Customs people are delaying it till it rots.
        The WTO approach was always the better option. We’d have continued on the same terms until individual agreements were set up. There would have been no “show-stoppers” such as the fictitious Irish border question. We could also have booted the EU boats out of our EEZ completely and instantly. (“No agreement till everything is agreed” is insane. It will always allow one side to dominate the other. It has here.)

    4. “…There were three rationalisations for the EU’s creation …”

      None of these are true. I appreciate reporters don’t understand the EU, but it’s origins ae clearly documented going back to Monnet. To pretend otherwise is disingenuous. Certainly ‘peace’ was no where on their agenda. Control, certainly. Peace and unity? Not a chance.

      The Trump drivel is just that. Trump did follow the rule of law and he tried to undo autocracy in the state, not enforce it.

      No, this article is tiresome tosh from start to finish that laments a failure for the things the writer wanted it to be without ever bothering to appreciate it for what it truly is.

  21. 329059+ up ticks,
    Morning Each,
    There is one element of fear that outranks ALL others and in my book that is the fear of internal political treachery and we have that in spades.

    Capt. Tom in his day was fighting an enemy that what ever colour their bollocks were they had, in the main,full sets.

    This ongoing battle should in ALL honesty be between medical science and
    this latest virus, involving NO politico’s, even trusted ones ( dodo’s) so that would omit lab/lib/con politico’s having a say.

    Does not take a genius to see the results of these party’s input over the last 4.5 decades in regards to the current state of these Isles, so to allow them to stick what is really an untested by time substance into ones arm is beyond my ken.

  22. I know someone who is going for an ‘illegal haircut’ today. Did you ever imagine something so simple could be ‘illegal’?

    1. A number of “coiffeasys” have sprung up. Privately run with no admittance to strangers, one has to knock and when the knock is answered, tell them “Marcel sent me”, and they’ll wave you in.

        1. Thankfully, Best Beloved does mine but I’m sure she wouldn’t let me reciprocate, no matter how legal it may be between consenting adults.

          1. I “allowed” Alf to cut the back of my hair – only the length mind, not the rest of it. I do my sides and top but the rest just keeps growing. Just think of how much money we’re all saving, she says wistfully.

          2. I used to have mine cut at home, stark naked on a stool in the bathroom, then stepped straight into the shower. I can’t stand the itchy clippings. Now I go to a Turkish Barber, when not in lockdown. They are very good at not letting the clippings go down inside one’s collar & I don’t have to shower until bedtime.

          3. I thought you didn’t bother with haircuts before you found the Turkish barber. I can’t unsee that photo of you in plaits – even the beard.

          4. I was going way, way back when I was still working. When I retired there were radical changes & I stopped having my haircut.

          5. You’d be surprised at how many patients expected free samples of floss.

            Much easier to cut off a hair.

        2. I must admit wondering why a near neighbour put up a marquee in their garden early in the first lockdown that has never been taken down. It’s not as though their 4-bed house is too small to work from home in.

          1. Who said footballers were thick
            Got a haircut the published the picture.

            What is wrong with educashun today?

            A local yokel bashed a 16 year old who was walking home at about 10pm. The stupid laddie then boasted on FB about beating up the boy.

            The police were round the next morning – fined & community service.

    2. It only applies to us plebs – amazing how many celebs and politicians have nicely coiffed hair at the moment…

    1. It seems really strange to me that these are the very people who are supposed to be most susceptible to the virus.

  23. Following on from the earlier comments on Captain Cook’s outing…

    Captain Cook wasn’t a ‘genocidal’ villain. He was a true Enlightenment man

    The idea that one civilisation can claim universal validity for its values many find immoral – but this is the basis for human rights

    ROBERT TOMBS

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9a9e2a9adc998685e4410c8b781800ff838b3f0ea7dbb6906ef758f830e4f5aa.jpg
    HM Bark Endeavour, a replica of Cook’s legendary ship [CREDIT: PA]
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________

    James Cook was an international hero in his lifetime, and remained so for most of the nearly two and a half centuries after his death.

    He epitomised the Age of Enlightenment in which he lived. A man of humble origins who rose to eminence through merit. The leading figure in an age of scientific exploration, in which it was mainly through his skill in navigation that (as one of his officers put it) for the first time in human history, “the Grand Bounds of the four Quarters of the Globe are known”.

    His journals (which counted Louis XVI and Marie-Antoinette among their readers) made him famous. He charted New Zealand and the east coast of Australia, and established that no other southern continent existed except Antarctica.

    Moreover, he was carrying out an enlightened mission, with instructions from the Royal Society to show ‘”patience and forbearance” towards native peoples who were “the natural [and] legal possessors … the work of the same omnipotent Author”, and perhaps more “entitled to his favour” than “the most polished European”.

    Of course, it ended tragically. Ships’ crews left diseases, and explorers unknowingly envenomed local power struggles and infringed religious rules.

    Cook was killed on his third great voyage, in a clash with Hawaiian islanders in February 1779 – an event regarded across Europe as a calamity.

    Sensibilities change. Cook’s parents’ house, removed and rebuilt in Melbourne by a grateful Australia, is now a site of controversy. His death is seen as his own fault. But far more than that, Cook has been reinvented as a historical villain, a prophet of “genocide”.

    Even at the time, another great Enlightenment figure, Samuel Johnson, declared that the discovery of the sea route from Europe to India had been “disastrous to mankind”. But holding back discovery was impossible then as now.

    If Cook had not sailed, others eventually would – including pirates, slavers, gun-runners, gin-merchants, land-grabbers. If there is a justification for empire, it is that it provided some restraints in this inevitable, and often tragic, encounter.

    Cook was the Enlightenment in action, and it is the Enlightenment itself that is now under fire, because it meant that Europeans were claiming leadership of humanity in the name of science, commerce, progress, and “civilisation”.

    The very idea that one civilisation can claim universal validity for its values many find immoral – even though the same pretension is the basis for universal human rights.

    Scapegoating James Cook is a facile response to problems that we are far from having solved. Aboriginal peoples in Australia and in many other countries are still suffering the consequences of the arrival of Europeans many generations ago. Should the aim be integration, and if so does this amount to cultural genocide? Or should it be protection of ancient cultures in separate areas (along with poverty, violence, alcoholism and early death)? We can’t hide 21st century failings by blaming Cook. The joys of virtue signalling just add insult to injury.

    Robert Tombs’s latest book is ‘This Sovereign Isle: Britain In and Out of Europe’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2021/02/04/captain-cook-wasnt-genocidal-villain-true-enlightenment-man/

  24. Following on from the earlier comments on Captain Cook’s outing…

    Captain Cook wasn’t a ‘genocidal’ villain. He was a true Enlightenment man

    The idea that one civilisation can claim universal validity for its values many find immoral – but this is the basis for human rights

    ROBERT TOMBS

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9a9e2a9adc998685e4410c8b781800ff838b3f0ea7dbb6906ef758f830e4f5aa.jpg
    HM Bark Endeavour, a replica of Cook’s legendary ship [CREDIT: PA]
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________

    James Cook was an international hero in his lifetime, and remained so for most of the nearly two and a half centuries after his death.

    He epitomised the Age of Enlightenment in which he lived. A man of humble origins who rose to eminence through merit. The leading figure in an age of scientific exploration, in which it was mainly through his skill in navigation that (as one of his officers put it) for the first time in human history, “the Grand Bounds of the four Quarters of the Globe are known”.

    His journals (which counted Louis XVI and Marie-Antoinette among their readers) made him famous. He charted New Zealand and the east coast of Australia, and established that no other southern continent existed except Antarctica.

    Moreover, he was carrying out an enlightened mission, with instructions from the Royal Society to show ‘”patience and forbearance” towards native peoples who were “the natural [and] legal possessors … the work of the same omnipotent Author”, and perhaps more “entitled to his favour” than “the most polished European”.

    Of course, it ended tragically. Ships’ crews left diseases, and explorers unknowingly envenomed local power struggles and infringed religious rules.

    Cook was killed on his third great voyage, in a clash with Hawaiian islanders in February 1779 – an event regarded across Europe as a calamity.

    Sensibilities change. Cook’s parents’ house, removed and rebuilt in Melbourne by a grateful Australia, is now a site of controversy. His death is seen as his own fault. But far more than that, Cook has been reinvented as a historical villain, a prophet of “genocide”.

    Even at the time, another great Enlightenment figure, Samuel Johnson, declared that the discovery of the sea route from Europe to India had been “disastrous to mankind”. But holding back discovery was impossible then as now.

    If Cook had not sailed, others eventually would – including pirates, slavers, gun-runners, gin-merchants, land-grabbers. If there is a justification for empire, it is that it provided some restraints in this inevitable, and often tragic, encounter.

    Cook was the Enlightenment in action, and it is the Enlightenment itself that is now under fire, because it meant that Europeans were claiming leadership of humanity in the name of science, commerce, progress, and “civilisation”.

    The very idea that one civilisation can claim universal validity for its values many find immoral – even though the same pretension is the basis for universal human rights.

    Scapegoating James Cook is a facile response to problems that we are far from having solved. Aboriginal peoples in Australia and in many other countries are still suffering the consequences of the arrival of Europeans many generations ago. Should the aim be integration, and if so does this amount to cultural genocide? Or should it be protection of ancient cultures in separate areas (along with poverty, violence, alcoholism and early death)? We can’t hide 21st century failings by blaming Cook. The joys of virtue signalling just add insult to injury.

    Robert Tombs’s latest book is ‘This Sovereign Isle: Britain In and Out of Europe’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2021/02/04/captain-cook-wasnt-genocidal-villain-true-enlightenment-man/

  25. Following on from the earlier comments on Captain Cook’s outing…

    Captain Cook wasn’t a ‘genocidal’ villain. He was a true Enlightenment man

    The idea that one civilisation can claim universal validity for its values many find immoral – but this is the basis for human rights

    ROBERT TOMBS

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9a9e2a9adc998685e4410c8b781800ff838b3f0ea7dbb6906ef758f830e4f5aa.jpg
    HM Bark Endeavour, a replica of Cook’s legendary ship [CREDIT: PA]
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________

    James Cook was an international hero in his lifetime, and remained so for most of the nearly two and a half centuries after his death.

    He epitomised the Age of Enlightenment in which he lived. A man of humble origins who rose to eminence through merit. The leading figure in an age of scientific exploration, in which it was mainly through his skill in navigation that (as one of his officers put it) for the first time in human history, “the Grand Bounds of the four Quarters of the Globe are known”.

    His journals (which counted Louis XVI and Marie-Antoinette among their readers) made him famous. He charted New Zealand and the east coast of Australia, and established that no other southern continent existed except Antarctica.

    Moreover, he was carrying out an enlightened mission, with instructions from the Royal Society to show ‘”patience and forbearance” towards native peoples who were “the natural [and] legal possessors … the work of the same omnipotent Author”, and perhaps more “entitled to his favour” than “the most polished European”.

    Of course, it ended tragically. Ships’ crews left diseases, and explorers unknowingly envenomed local power struggles and infringed religious rules.

    Cook was killed on his third great voyage, in a clash with Hawaiian islanders in February 1779 – an event regarded across Europe as a calamity.

    Sensibilities change. Cook’s parents’ house, removed and rebuilt in Melbourne by a grateful Australia, is now a site of controversy. His death is seen as his own fault. But far more than that, Cook has been reinvented as a historical villain, a prophet of “genocide”.

    Even at the time, another great Enlightenment figure, Samuel Johnson, declared that the discovery of the sea route from Europe to India had been “disastrous to mankind”. But holding back discovery was impossible then as now.

    If Cook had not sailed, others eventually would – including pirates, slavers, gun-runners, gin-merchants, land-grabbers. If there is a justification for empire, it is that it provided some restraints in this inevitable, and often tragic, encounter.

    Cook was the Enlightenment in action, and it is the Enlightenment itself that is now under fire, because it meant that Europeans were claiming leadership of humanity in the name of science, commerce, progress, and “civilisation”.

    The very idea that one civilisation can claim universal validity for its values many find immoral – even though the same pretension is the basis for universal human rights.

    Scapegoating James Cook is a facile response to problems that we are far from having solved. Aboriginal peoples in Australia and in many other countries are still suffering the consequences of the arrival of Europeans many generations ago. Should the aim be integration, and if so does this amount to cultural genocide? Or should it be protection of ancient cultures in separate areas (along with poverty, violence, alcoholism and early death)? We can’t hide 21st century failings by blaming Cook. The joys of virtue signalling just add insult to injury.

    Robert Tombs’s latest book is ‘This Sovereign Isle: Britain In and Out of Europe’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2021/02/04/captain-cook-wasnt-genocidal-villain-true-enlightenment-man/

  26. Following on from the earlier comments on Captain Cook’s outing…

    Captain Cook wasn’t a ‘genocidal’ villain. He was a true Enlightenment man

    The idea that one civilisation can claim universal validity for its values many find immoral – but this is the basis for human rights

    ROBERT TOMBS

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9a9e2a9adc998685e4410c8b781800ff838b3f0ea7dbb6906ef758f830e4f5aa.jpg
    HM Bark Endeavour, a replica of Cook’s legendary ship [CREDIT: PA]
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________

    James Cook was an international hero in his lifetime, and remained so for most of the nearly two and a half centuries after his death.

    He epitomised the Age of Enlightenment in which he lived. A man of humble origins who rose to eminence through merit. The leading figure in an age of scientific exploration, in which it was mainly through his skill in navigation that (as one of his officers put it) for the first time in human history, “the Grand Bounds of the four Quarters of the Globe are known”.

    His journals (which counted Louis XVI and Marie-Antoinette among their readers) made him famous. He charted New Zealand and the east coast of Australia, and established that no other southern continent existed except Antarctica.

    Moreover, he was carrying out an enlightened mission, with instructions from the Royal Society to show ‘”patience and forbearance” towards native peoples who were “the natural [and] legal possessors … the work of the same omnipotent Author”, and perhaps more “entitled to his favour” than “the most polished European”.

    Of course, it ended tragically. Ships’ crews left diseases, and explorers unknowingly envenomed local power struggles and infringed religious rules.

    Cook was killed on his third great voyage, in a clash with Hawaiian islanders in February 1779 – an event regarded across Europe as a calamity.

    Sensibilities change. Cook’s parents’ house, removed and rebuilt in Melbourne by a grateful Australia, is now a site of controversy. His death is seen as his own fault. But far more than that, Cook has been reinvented as a historical villain, a prophet of “genocide”.

    Even at the time, another great Enlightenment figure, Samuel Johnson, declared that the discovery of the sea route from Europe to India had been “disastrous to mankind”. But holding back discovery was impossible then as now.

    If Cook had not sailed, others eventually would – including pirates, slavers, gun-runners, gin-merchants, land-grabbers. If there is a justification for empire, it is that it provided some restraints in this inevitable, and often tragic, encounter.

    Cook was the Enlightenment in action, and it is the Enlightenment itself that is now under fire, because it meant that Europeans were claiming leadership of humanity in the name of science, commerce, progress, and “civilisation”.

    The very idea that one civilisation can claim universal validity for its values many find immoral – even though the same pretension is the basis for universal human rights.

    Scapegoating James Cook is a facile response to problems that we are far from having solved. Aboriginal peoples in Australia and in many other countries are still suffering the consequences of the arrival of Europeans many generations ago. Should the aim be integration, and if so does this amount to cultural genocide? Or should it be protection of ancient cultures in separate areas (along with poverty, violence, alcoholism and early death)? We can’t hide 21st century failings by blaming Cook. The joys of virtue signalling just add insult to injury.

    Robert Tombs’s latest book is ‘This Sovereign Isle: Britain In and Out of Europe’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2021/02/04/captain-cook-wasnt-genocidal-villain-true-enlightenment-man/

  27. Following on from the earlier comments on Captain Cook’s outing…

    Captain Cook wasn’t a ‘genocidal’ villain. He was a true Enlightenment man

    The idea that one civilisation can claim universal validity for its values many find immoral – but this is the basis for human rights

    ROBERT TOMBS

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9a9e2a9adc998685e4410c8b781800ff838b3f0ea7dbb6906ef758f830e4f5aa.jpg
    HM Bark Endeavour, a replica of Cook’s legendary ship [CREDIT: PA]
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________

    James Cook was an international hero in his lifetime, and remained so for most of the nearly two and a half centuries after his death.

    He epitomised the Age of Enlightenment in which he lived. A man of humble origins who rose to eminence through merit. The leading figure in an age of scientific exploration, in which it was mainly through his skill in navigation that (as one of his officers put it) for the first time in human history, “the Grand Bounds of the four Quarters of the Globe are known”.

    His journals (which counted Louis XVI and Marie-Antoinette among their readers) made him famous. He charted New Zealand and the east coast of Australia, and established that no other southern continent existed except Antarctica.

    Moreover, he was carrying out an enlightened mission, with instructions from the Royal Society to show ‘”patience and forbearance” towards native peoples who were “the natural [and] legal possessors … the work of the same omnipotent Author”, and perhaps more “entitled to his favour” than “the most polished European”.

    Of course, it ended tragically. Ships’ crews left diseases, and explorers unknowingly envenomed local power struggles and infringed religious rules.

    Cook was killed on his third great voyage, in a clash with Hawaiian islanders in February 1779 – an event regarded across Europe as a calamity.

    Sensibilities change. Cook’s parents’ house, removed and rebuilt in Melbourne by a grateful Australia, is now a site of controversy. His death is seen as his own fault. But far more than that, Cook has been reinvented as a historical villain, a prophet of “genocide”.

    Even at the time, another great Enlightenment figure, Samuel Johnson, declared that the discovery of the sea route from Europe to India had been “disastrous to mankind”. But holding back discovery was impossible then as now.

    If Cook had not sailed, others eventually would – including pirates, slavers, gun-runners, gin-merchants, land-grabbers. If there is a justification for empire, it is that it provided some restraints in this inevitable, and often tragic, encounter.

    Cook was the Enlightenment in action, and it is the Enlightenment itself that is now under fire, because it meant that Europeans were claiming leadership of humanity in the name of science, commerce, progress, and “civilisation”.

    The very idea that one civilisation can claim universal validity for its values many find immoral – even though the same pretension is the basis for universal human rights.

    Scapegoating James Cook is a facile response to problems that we are far from having solved. Aboriginal peoples in Australia and in many other countries are still suffering the consequences of the arrival of Europeans many generations ago. Should the aim be integration, and if so does this amount to cultural genocide? Or should it be protection of ancient cultures in separate areas (along with poverty, violence, alcoholism and early death)? We can’t hide 21st century failings by blaming Cook. The joys of virtue signalling just add insult to injury.

    Robert Tombs’s latest book is ‘This Sovereign Isle: Britain In and Out of Europe’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2021/02/04/captain-cook-wasnt-genocidal-villain-true-enlightenment-man/

  28. Just returned from having my first AZ jab. Taxis to & from, a short wait, all very efficient & painless.

          1. I was being facetious, but not towards you, Tembo wangu mdogo. Whoops! There I go again!

          2. That is strange, the AZ simply did not register. In a similar vein when following a recipe I read as part if the ingredients (for example) vanilla essence. So I head for the pantry. It’s not there on the shelf…. oh, where oh where can it be? I have a shufty around. Still not there. I return to my mixing bowl, frustrated. And then I see it. To the side of the bowl. I had already got it out and it simply hadn’t registered. I have been on automatic pilot, probably thinking about something else. This is not a new development, it has been happening since my twenties. I now know not to spend too much time looking for stuff on shelves. At present I am missing my wireless ear-phone thingies, I have no idea where I have put them.

          3. #MeToo, Mum, with ingredients but I insist on having everything out and in the order of use. Like you, I don’t want to go searching, and maybe chopping, measuring etc., while good stuff is already cooking.

          4. Car Key Syndrome.
            Such automatic actions do not register; nature’s way of keeping us sane.

  29. Germany is the EU’s biggest net contributor by a long way. It will get far worse due to Brexit and the introduction of yet more poor states.

    If you wanted to have a get out clause, caused by the collapse of the whole rotten edifice, what better way than to shoe-horn your most incompetent politician into the lead role?

      1. We musn’t assume anything about the EU’s premature demise, those twisted bastards will do anything, stoop to any base trick, to maintain their Evil Empire. As to the UK, I think it’s too early to drop our guard, too easy to become complacent. The Remainer Fifth Column is among us, still active, many of them ensconced in positions of influence and power.

        We can never be certain of our freedom until we take out every Remainiac and shoot them down like the rabid dogs they are!
        :¬[

        1. All very true. The attempt in the last few days to block our vax supplies has adequately demonstrated that, together with von der Leyen’s subsequent wriggling on the hook. Looking like she may have got away with it.

          1. It’s reported that Kim Jong-Un has expressed an interest in buying the AstraZeneca vaccine, although I’m not sure a ringing endorsement from the “Dear Leader” will do much to reassure those who are due to receive it.
            ;¬)

          2. 2 or 3 million from Indian manufactured Oxford-AZ going to NK
            FOC courtesy of Covax – UK pays out to Covax

        2. The Sunday Times claims that many Remainers are trying to get involved in the 2022 Festival.

          I wonder why?

    1. All it takes is a critical mass and the snowball will start rolling by itself…

    2. ‘Afternoon, Sos, I hope, like an other European NoTTLers, you’ve ensured that you hold an absolute minimum of €uros.

      I know, from living in Spain, how much easier it is to have a local bank account. I’m just glad that I’m now back in the UK – if only for (ha ha) health reasons.

    3. The EU is a retirement home for the inept, lazy, corrupt and vicious. Incompetent, I’m not sure about. After all, mandelson is evil, obviously, but he isn’t stupid. Corrupt, criminally conflicted, bent, clearly taking bribes, a serial liar, thief and fraud but not stupid.

      If he were, he’d be chained outside and used as a punchbag.

  30. Good afternoon. Still waiting for GP.

    Spent an hour stacking logs – on the basis that if I am to peg out, I’d rather be doing something useful that moping by the fire.

    Thank you for your kind messages.

    1. Afternoon Bill, I’ve not been around much for a few days. Sorry to hear you’re not feeling too good matey. I had to go to my GP surgery this morning to get some reassurance. I’ve been a bit under the weather, now got to go to see the local ‘Vampires’ for some more Blood tests.
      One good thing I learnt from him is the jabs we are both having on Saturday are AstraZeneca. Not any of “that foreign muck” as me Mak’em mother in law use to say.
      I hope you’re better soon. Best wishes to you and yours 😊

      1. I’ve got mine on Saturday, too – hopefully the AZ one. OH had the Pfizer but had no ill-effects.

        1. Our family has now had four first injections.

          My daughter, a community nurse practitioner, and I (being over 75) got the Pfizer jab early on.
          My granddaughter, a first year medical student and MOH (over 70) had their AZ jab some days later.

          The Pfizer jab came with advice to expect a sore arm for a couple of days. We experienced no other side effects

          Granddaughter warned MOH that the AZ jab had come with a warning of a ‘rough night’ ahead.
          Both needed to spend extra hours in bed with the ensuing symptoms which were listed as ‘common’ on the issued information leaflet. Both decided to take paracetamol prior to getting the vaccine. Looked like 48 hours before feeling back to normal after the AZ jab.

          Those of us getting any COVID jab should note that we are all ‘guinea pigs’ in this pandemic and so should report any side effects not listed in the information sheet supplied with the vaccine on the Coronavirus Yellow Card link.

          1. Yes Angie, it’s strange.

            Comparing notes with our friends who’ve all been jabbed, we’ve discovered that all those given Pfizer had no side effects, whilst everyone who had the Oxford has suffered side effects.

            The MSM claim it is the other way round.

          2. It could have been the other way round in Norway when they gave the Pfizer jab to people in hospices who died soon afterwards.

            The rationale for this however was to stop any chance of COVID getting a foothold in residences for the elderly rather than preserve their lifespan.
            A Norwegian spokesperson explained that even a fever of 99 deg F could be fatal for an elderly vulnerable person

          3. I got frustrated at the yellow card thing – about 20 pages to fill out. I got as far as 2 and jacked it in. I rang the doc instead and the receptionist was pleased to jot down the side effects in my records.

          4. When I filled in a Yellow Card thing on-line after a prescribed drug reaction the form disappeared twice after trying to send it and then I gave up.

            I sent a full description of my adverse reactions on paper to the MHRA.
            The MHRA contacted my GP but he failed to respond to them.

            It appears that there were warnings of possible severe allergic reation requiring emergency hospital admission but this was omitted from the Patient Information Leaflet.

    2. I have a dog that pulls logs. A giant, stupid dog that pulls a tree down by leaning against it, then clamps the 20ft in his jaws and pulls it behind him.

      He now has a harness and trailer to pull cut down tree logs about and seems very happy doing it. His teeth are all the better as well.

  31. Damascene time for Sunak or cynical political positioning? Be interesting to see if any other Cabinet rats break cover in the next few weeks. Is it just me not paying attention or have others noticed the deafening silence from many other Cabinet members? A case of, heads down and mouths shut during the very bumpy ride Johnson and Hancock constructed, in an endeavour to be able to claim, “nuffink to do wiv me, guv,” at the appropriate time? After all, they’re politicians.

    https://twitter.com/daveclements_/status/1357096786708553729

          1. The bin men are advertising. Maybe he could clean up some of the mess he created.

            Do you know, I’ve hated Gordon Brown ever since he robbed my dad’s pension – and every year since. I’ve hated his assault on financial planning, on saving, on banking. I’ve hated his profligacy, his arrogance, his waste waste waste mantra to buy votes by robbing the worker, saver and tryer to fund the dosser, waster and statist. I hated how he used public money to buy private advantage.

            I’ve wanted to punch him repeatedly for blaminng the banks for the economic collapse when it was HIS FAULT. I’ve hated his 60,000 pages added to tax law that morons don’t understand and rant and whine about how ‘Amazon’ should pay more.

            The man is an oaf, a cretin and a fool who’s taxes were punitive punishment on decent people. I want to wrap my hands around his neck and shake him until he rattles and admits that he deliberately made a total pigs ear of the economy to leave a poisoned chalice for the next government. I want to break most of his ribs and write on them ‘we didn’t need aircraft carriers but I wanted votes.

            But more than anything, I want to ask him why he was so deliberately malicious, so obviously, blatantly determined to do so much damage for so little benefit. Was it all politics? Did he stop and think just for a second how much damage his absurd, stupid, destructive policies would do?

          2. Wish I could give you more than one uptick, Wibbling. I wholeheartedly agree with you and also find him a very unpleasant man. And before someone says he kept us out of the euro, he only did that to p*** off Bliar not for the good of Britain!

          3. C’Mon mate – he’s already ‘saved the universe’! Let him enjoy his retirement! 🙂

        1. Competent people don’t do well in HMG. They have a tendency to be sidelined, ignored and dismissed, held back for promotion and kept under close scrutiny in case they start ‘thinking’. Experts aren’t wanted, nor are those who use their initiative.

          1. I thought, Wibbles, that HMG is full of Experts – Ex as in has been and spurt being a drip under pressure

      1. I’m not sure that would help though. He seems to be the only minister to even pose the question of goalpost moving although of course others may be saying it but quietly and/or not getting the publicity. No sign of a rebellion that keeps being mentioned either.
        BTW did everybody clap for Tom last night at 6 o’clock? No, neither did we. Just the usual attempt to align politicians with a good man. Despicable.

        1. I didn’t, mainly because it was cold and raining, but I did appreciate the effort and decency Sir Tom put into his life with no expectation of reward. Sadly, his kind are evaporating from the current yooves who seem to need a kicking to put their litter in the bin rather than wherever they want to throw it.

          And then you meet the parents….

      2. I’m not sure that would help though. He seems to be the only minister to even pose the question of goalpost moving although of course others may be saying it but quietly and/or not getting the publicity. No sign of a rebellion that keeps being mentioned either.
        BTW did everybody clap for Tom last night at 6 o’clock? No, neither did we. Just the usual attempt to align politicians with a good man. Despicable.

      1. Could be cheaper to close UK borders and ship vaccine world-wide rather than keep open borders and treat the whole world on the NHS.

      2. Its that damned Trudeau again. $400 million to this global vaccine program for the poor countries while we sit in lockdown with zero vaccines being delivered.

        Apparently Canada qualifies for a million doses of the Astrazeneca vaccine through the program. You would have thought that a G7 country qualifying as poor would be an embarrassment but pretendy PM is boasting about it.

      3. Do it with your own money, Boris. Bill does. I don’t want my taxes – which are offensively high – spent on some gimmigrant Turk illegally in this country and burning down the accommodation we give him because he expected a five star hotel for life.

    1. Number 10 take advice, SAGE provide it. SAGE gives advice from a platform unaffected by the coof issue and so says ‘lock everyone up, it’s for their own good, we’ve got a sugar tax campaign to plan. No. 10 then says ‘but, but won’t that make people ill and ruin the economy?’ Sageist – do you want 200 million people to die every single day and blame you? As we will you know!’

      Politician blusters and flusters.

      1. I think that you’re being too kind to politicians of Johnson’s and Hancock’s stripe. I won’t lumber those two with the word plan, but rather with the word scheme. Part of the scheme was to load SAGE with like minded people. SAGE will take the fall, they’ve forgotten that they’re dealing with politicians.

    1. They had to be rid of him as he was just too good for them and made them all look so ineffective.

    2. Thank you for posting that, Polly! Makes a change from the tidal wave of hate against Trump that we get from the media all the time.

    1. Hi, Belle.

      That quote suggests that Scottish plods are nearly as thick as their English counterparts.

      1. Sadly correct Peddy,

        The Tweet caught my eye for all sorts of reasons ..

        There are so many monsters lurking who are grabbing all they can including pet dogs .

        1. It’s not hard, Mags, given their proclivities, to deduce the religion of the sheep-rustlers.

          Like Smith’s Crisps, “You meet us everywhere.”

      2. It’s just about as stupid as it could be.

        In terms of sheep numbers 19 is a very small number of sheep and I’m not sure that Mules should be valued as high as £150 per head either, though as a ball-park figure it isn’t very far off, I’d be prepared to bet that his insurers (assuming that he is insured for theft) will push them down to £120. That they were stolen between 5/12/20 and 22/1/21 tells its own story – the number missing, clearly from a much larger number, was so small that it wasn’t even noticeable until the sheep were gathered and counted. In lamb ewes will have been looked at every day at this time of year but a big mob is very difficult to count, especially if you are feeding them as they mill around the troughs.

        In lamb ewes are generally beginning to get a bit of hand feeding at this time of year and being greedy beggars it would be fairly simple to get them into a trailer with the aid of a bucket… and a small amount of experience. 19 Mules was probably a full load for the trailer, they are good-sized sheep.

        1. The insurer will first demand that evidence be provided that the sheep were stolen – fingerprints, CCTV, car tyre tracks leading to the car, witness statements from the thieves, a crime number, ideally the sheep actually returned and then… then you will find that your insurer doesn’t cover for theft of the animal at all.

          A bit like dog dentistry cover not actually covering teeth, gums, tongue, mouth, jaw or anything you’d sensibly expect it to.

          1. Your blithering nonsense is worse than that in the tweet.

            Farmers know whether they have paid for theft cover and farm insurers don’t, except on vanishingly rare occasions make difficulties. They know the businesses they deal with and behave properly.

      1. In the days of the old counties it would probably have come under Banffshire – certainly nowhere near Angus.

        1. I believe it still is Banffshire, when I lived in Banff, the locals were pretty stuck on their names, locale and The Doric. I doubt they’d give up Banffshire too easily.

          1. Same here, NTN. They amalgamated all the old counties into various “Regions” but nobody I know describes this locale as “Highland Region”.

            We still live in Inverness-shire.

          2. From an administrative viewpoint, Banffshire no longer exists. From a local point of view they undoubtedly still think of it in those terms.

            They don’t speak the Doric in Banff – the coastal accent (to a truly attuned ear) is quite different.

    2. See there’s a notice from Polis Scotland on that page listing “minor crimes” which, if seen taking place, should not be reported using the Emergency 999 line. Among these “minor crimes” are witnessing your car being stolen, witnessing your property being damaged and witnessing drug-dealing. In the event of witnessing these crimes, you should visit your local police station to report them or call the non-emergency 101 line.

      Of course, if you witness “hurty-comments” online, that’s a real emergency meriting an instant response and a whole phalanx of bobbies, tooled-up with tasers, will descend on the perpetrator PDQ.

      1. OK, I’ve witnessed my car being stolen.

        I didn’t want to call 999 as I also witnessed their brains being smashed in with a crowbar.

        If the police don’t want to enforce the law, what are they there for?

        1. They are there to ensure YOU do NOT stop the criminals. The crims are needed by the police now to ensure the existence of the police. Watch the programs and see them laughing and joking with those they have arrested time and time again. Wrecking multiple very expensive polce cars and using the God knows what per hour Police helicopter – all on the taxpayer – is common.

    3. Sheep on 999 call: “I’ve just been fleeced!”
      Officer: “Ewe must be joking!”

    4. Any thoughts on who the culprits might be T_B?
      You’re probably right. Either them or the Romanians.

          1. Muslims don’t usually like to take pregnant sheep – they want clean stock to kill. Though a pregnant sheep isn’t actually “haram” she is not considered the best quality. They are much more likely to be taking finishing hoggets – and they are simply not present in any great number in that part of Scotland… it would be different in some areas.

            I’m sad to say that in-lamb ewes being picked off at this time of year are probably going to swell the numbers in someone else’s flock. Most farmers are honest – but there’s always the odd one out – and sometimes there are neighbourhood disputes which are resolved by illegalities.

    1. Don’t worry too much. That ‘beast’ dumped 6″ of snow (more in the drifts) on my county last night. There won’t be much left to carry on over the North Sea.

    2. I’d bet you if I moved to Scotland it’s become a tropical, humid sweltering so hot the concrete melts place.

      1. Where I live on the coast we’ve had no snow but 10 miles inland the snow gates have been closed and yesterday one of the roads was blocked by a jack-knifed artic, today it is freezing and I’ve just got back from a recovery and trying to get warm again

      2. This Guardian report from 2006 isn’t quite up there with the Independent’s ‘Snowfall’s are now a thing of the past’ but it runs it close. It was only a year or two before that the Cairngorms had had a green winter. Then came some very snowy winters, notably 2010/11.

        The future’s a no-snow zone

        https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2006/oct/22/theobserver.climatechange

        This season?

        Closed ski resorts have ‘best snow in years’:

        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-55903349

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ad2010b8e409e8bc5bac4176f111c8d22735926a80f65ae0ba57c51051912b27.jpg

        Note the snow machines in the foreground!

  32. Teenage Snapchat killers are granted lifelong anonymity

    Two teenage girls who murdered a vulnerable alcoholic in her own home
    have won a High Court bid to keep their identities secret for life
    after a judge warned they might take their own lives if named.

    The pair, were aged just 13 and 14, when they posed for Snapchat selfies
    while beating 39-year-old Angela Wrightson to death in 2014

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH

    Shout their name from the rooftops and on Snapchat, whatever that is.

    If they cannot kill themselves, I am sure a lot pf peeple would help them out

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/04/teenage-snapchat-killers-granted-lifelong-anonymity/

    1. Does Ms Wrightson get her life back? No? Then why should these creatures?

      Brand them, flay them alive, then flog them. Keep flogging them until the very twitch of a loose thread has them begging for mercy.

      Then do it again and again and again.

    1. Jarel Robinson-Brown what an absolutely disgusting low life abhorrent POS.

      inspiring disgust and loathing; repugnant.
      “racism was abhorrent to us all”
      synonyms:
      detestable · detested · hateful · hated · loathsome · loathed · despicable · despised · abominable · abominated · execrable · execrated · repellent · repugnant · repulsive · revolting · disgusting · distasteful · horrible · horrid · horrifying · awful · heinous · reprehensible · obnoxious · odious · nauseating · offensive · contemptible

      1. Who is Robinson Brown and what have they done – apart from hyphenate their surname to sound posh.

        1. He is supposed to be a C of E ‘clergyman’ who is a BAME and vice chairman of an LGBTXYZ organisation. He apparently called the national clap for Captain Tom “a cult of white British nationalism”.

          The Diocese of London, to its credit, said “Jarel Robinson-Brown’s comments regarding Captain Sir Tom Moore were unacceptable, insensitive, and ill-judged. The fact that he immediately removed his tweet and subsequently apologised does not undo the hurt he has caused, not least to Captain Tom’s family.”

          He also has said “I’ve read enough unnecessary articles written by ignorant white Christian men to last a lifetime”.

          My father was a C of E clergyman. He was disgusted enough with his liberal archbishop back in the 60s, Michael Ramsay, whom he vowed never to allow into his parishes. What he would think of ‘Jarel’ defies my imagination, let alone the fact that this left-winger, who obviously hates us, was made a clergyman in the first place.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/089eeb6b3c59a26b2a55e01d9d3fa5b8ab1327490314d50d37e864b48cd75356.png

          1. I see the Midwife has “launched an enquiry…”

            I have draft of the report already to hand….A blackwash.

          2. Welby has been pushing this sort of thing very strongly. It will kill the church if left unchecked.

    2. Yes, all very nice.

      However, put milk it in. And cocoa this time.

      Oh, and the little bars? 30g please. Not 13g sold as 25.

  33. The farm house roof developed a leak, which turned into a flood – well, lots of floods. Getting roofers who aren’t high on coke during the coof is as much fun as getting your neck sawn off with a spoon. Added to that, the slates are old and the quotes are disgusting – not painful, disgusting. The tarp snaps and bangs all the time which is making the war queen cranky. Which is putting her behind on work. Which is getting taken out on me, for not fixing it.

    Junior is getting barely no teacher time as he’s both bright and motivated – until he isn’t, and then I do it, which I quite like but not knowing the learning objectives and so on it’s hard to know where to stop.

    I am not sleeping especially well as new work is bloody awful – hardest as we’re all wfh, so all the nuance and interaction you get isn’t there. I’m getting fat(ter) another thing the war queen whines about (not because I am podgy, but because it’s my dealing with things badly) and, being honest, so do I.

    We’re all a bit fed up and, for the first time in many many years, I’ve actually been genuinely grumpy to the point of moving all the hay from one side of the shed to the other lest (I’m told) I bark at someone. Here ends the whine. Chairs for listening folks.

    1. I’m fed up with wfh too. Much sympathy.
      Sit in my little comfy office space, nobody to see, chat to, no social interaction. Miss the “let’s find a whitedoard & work this out” moments, the explaining how things work, the interaction with youngsters, even the walk in the cold (warmed up to -9C today) to/from the station. Drinking too much, and covid is shrinking the trouser waistband. Frustration close to max. AAAARGH!

    2. Much sympathy.
      We have two new colleagues at the place where I am working, and they are both in the office at least part of the week. We are making an effort to come in sometimes, to talk to them so that they don’t feel as though they’ve landed on Planet Nowhere.

  34. I was listening to Classic FM a few minutes ago whilst driving my car on a short journey. One of the adverts was for donations of blood plasma for treatment of Covid cases. I thought that treatment was considered of little value.

    1. Interestingly I seem to remember reading recently that plasma from men only is used. Don’t know why.

      1. A friend of mine had female plasma given – when he went for a pee his hand wouldn’t let go of it

  35. Among the different ways of telling if you have covid is the loss of smell.

    Another is an unusual smell from your faeces.

    I’m sure you can all work that one out.

    1. I think that happens as a side effect too. I opened my bathroom window and next door shut all theirs

        1. Molecules make matter and are therefore particulate. Oddly enough H₂S when in low concentration can be smelled, but when in high concentration (and highly dangerous) it cannot. I believe it does something to your olfactory bits.

    2. Lost my sense of smell some years ago.
      It’s not fun.
      Food only has texture, salt & sweet. Good for slimming, though, if everything is like wet cardboard in taste, but it’s a bummer when you’re cooking for others. I’m a bit too generous with the chillies, for example…

  36. What an extraordinary coincidence that Antonio Guterres, Secretary General of the United Nations, has exactly the same policies as Open Society……..

    ”United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said, “The great reset is a welcome recognition that this human tragedy must be a wake-up call. We must build more equal, inclusive and sustainable economies and societies that are more resilient in the face of pandemics, climate change and the many other global changes we face.”

    https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/wef-davos-to-focus-on-the-great-reset-in-2021-will-be-open-to-all-online-120060301414_1.html

    Just by another totally unrelated random coincidence, Alex Soros has anytime walk in access to Antonio Guterres………..

    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=378112989017723&story_fbid=1403059096523102

    Of course, Boros is also cozy with Antonio, so it’s all a wonderful cozy happy family all happily thinking the same way and powered by Soros money !

    https://twitter.com/antonioguterres/status/1349022282568642563

    1. If nothing else, your election has taken the heat of we Brits for the next 8 years…

      “Jack S MULCHDIGGUMS an hour ago
      Could be worse, we might have had Harris/Bidet.
      Luckily we’re not Americans.

      4 EditView in discussion”

      EDIT: Format.

    2. Time to get out of this shambolic organisation and its equally shambolic partner, the WHO – didn’t they break up their own sets on stage?

      See one, you’ve seen ’em all.

      1. “Heifers go for higher prices than bulls for first time as Britain’s most expensive cow breaks record. Limousin cow Posh Spice has sold for £262,000, doubling the previous record”

        I bet David wasn’t pleased he only got £262k.

        BTL comment:
        Banana Bus 4 Feb 2021 8:40AM

        I thought that honour belonged to Meghan Markle.

      2. “Heifers go for higher prices than bulls for first time as Britain’s most expensive cow breaks record. Limousin cow Posh Spice has sold for £262,000, doubling the previous record”

        I bet David wasn’t pleased he only got £262k.

        BTL comment:
        Banana Bus 4 Feb 2021 8:40AM

        I thought that honour belonged to Meghan Markle.

  37. Excellent Dr Nigeria just phoned, asking for “Mr William”. “Bwana William, to you young man,” I quipped. (not really!)

    He is so painstaking, methodical and both reads the stuff you send, and listens to what one has to say. He is unconcerned about my occasional dizzy spell. “These things happen”. He is not worried about my BP – but said that if I had another funny turn, I should get on to him to arrange an ECG.

    I told him that just talking to him made one feel reassured.

    Pruned (ie took heavy saw to) beech hedge – under instructions from the MR. 90% of it done.

    So a happier chap. Oh, took two wussy kittens out into the garden and made the mistake of putting Gus down out of sight of the back door. For an awful moment, I thought he was going to a runner – but the MR saved the day. He saw her and ran into her arms! Pickles refused to be put down!

    Time for a mug of tea.

    1. Good to hear you’ve been reassured.

      Poor Pickles, first you have his bits removed and now you want to put him down. Little wonder he refused.

      1. He is very good at reading a script: especially one written for him by the Left-wing establishment.

        1. I think he is so caught up with this climate change agenda that he blames us for it and would like to see us all culled.

          1. It’s impossible to watch any programme on the BBC these days without someone or other dropping out a line about ‘climate change’.

            I shout so loud at the telly I’m sure they can hear me down at Brainwashing House.

          2. I still don’t understand why so many on the fora still watch/listen to/read it’s output every day.
            Almost no-one else does.

          3. Agreed. I watch the quizzes: Only Connect, University Challenge and Mastermind. Apart from the odd drama series that is all.

            I’ve not watched BBC Propaganda [sorry: “News”] for more than five years.

        1. Promoted to top BBC “national treasure” when David Bellamy blotted his copybook by disagreeing with global warming and was subsequently never given any more TV exposure.

        2. Promoted to top BBC “national treasure” when David Bellamy blotted his copybook by disagreeing with global warming and was subsequently never given any more TV exposure.

    1. #MeToo, in fact my Father told me at a very young age, “Your most important question is, ‘Why?’ and keep asking until you get a logical and reasonable answer.”

          1. Is that what they call them in Sweden, Grizzly? In the English-speaking world they are known as Doc, Dopey, Happy, Grumpy, Sneezy, Bashful and Sleepy.

            :-))

      1. I Keep Six Honest Serving Men

        I KEEP six honest serving-men
        (They taught me all I knew);
        Their names are What and Why and When
        And How and Where and Who.
        I send them over land and sea,
        I send them east and west;
        But after they have worked for me,
        I give them all a rest.

        I let them rest from nine till five,
        For I am busy then,
        As well as breakfast, lunch, and tea,
        For they are hungry men.
        But different folk have different views;
        I know a person small—
        She keeps ten million serving-men,
        Who get no rest at all!

        She sends’em abroad on her own affairs,
        From the second she opens her eyes—
        One million Hows, two million Wheres,
        And seven million Whys!

        Rudyard Kipling

    2. Sad to see Attenborough reduced to being an unthinking establishment stooge. Perhaps poor David has failed to come to terms with the Internet and the many sources of information that can be gleaned from around the World.

      1. He has not been able to cope with the gross amount of ‘respect and adulation’ he has received in the last few years. Sadly these have made him very arrogant and diminished his rational faculties.

        Most sensible teachers learn that boring their pupils rigid and telling them what to do and what to think in a humourless authoritarian way turns them off.

    3. They are ‘ignorant’ in how they understand a vaccine works. However, that’s not to say they are not also right to be dubious of side effects down the line. we don’t know what those might be. However I would also argue that Mr Attenborough is equally ‘ignorant’ in placing all his faith in a vaccine. It’s not a magic bullet despite how it is being sold.

      1. Indeed. The reaction to the vaccine had far too much in common with the coming of a new messiah for my liking. One reason why I don’t want to have it is because it requires a little bit too much blind faith. I’ll wait for proper test results, unless something else happens to change my mind.

    4. Why do the woke always think it essential to abuse those with whom they disagree.

      I can grudgingly admit that some people who disagree with me are much more intelligent than I am; but I am also aware that some of the people who disagree with me are not as intelligent as I am.

      Why does David Attenborough have to abuse those who disagree with him and why did all the Remainers have to say that Brexiteers were stupid?

      1. “Why does David Attenborough have to abuse those who disagree with him …. ?”

        Because he’s a senile old W⚓ who has become a legend in his own mind.

      2. DA is 95. If he really believes human being are a plague on this planet, why does he persist in living well past the stage where nature has any use for him?

      3. To a thinking person (not many around today) it says more about Attenborough than anything else.

        1. I agree. I don’t like this modern way of hurling abuse at people with whom one disagrees. It’s hardly the way to persuade anyone to listen to him either.

      4. “Why does David Attenborough have to abuse those who disagree with him and why did all the Remainers have to say that Brexiteers were stupid”?

        In both cases, Richard, the answer is ‘arrogance’…

    1. It’s quite amusing how they’re all lining up in a race to get brownie points for opening up quickest.
      But when will the next lockdown blow fall?
      Or something else perhaps – power cuts?
      Can’t stop the great reset!

        1. Bluddy hope not – I’m pinning my hopes on a long rising run as people spend their lockdown savings! I don’t want to be stashing it under the mattress.

          I read a novel recently that imagined the Carrington event happening today – and I have made a few preparations for several weeks without electricity.

  38. Ambiguous Evening Standard headline:

    ‘Boris Johnson to lead national clap for Captain Sir Tom Moore after death.’

    1. Can the NHS cope with a mass outbreak of the clap? (Apart from the traffic sounds, Shepherds Bush was very quiet yesterday evening and the seals were out in force last summer.)

      1. Performing seals?

        Good evening, Our Susan. Did you go to the service for Charles the Martyr?

        1. I did! Nice bound copies of the BCP for a change, instead of the temporary print outs that we’ve had since last July and everything as it should be except for the continuing ban on wine.

          Fr Marcus has a good article in the Speccie about the useless CofE leadership. He posted the link on Twitter today.

          How are you? Did the gp call?

          1. Looking forward to tomorrow’s Spectator. For once!

            Yes – see report earlier. My Dr Nigeria is the mirror image of the Revd Jarel White-Bater. I see the Midwife has started an enquiry. We all know the result of that.

  39. Passes a quiet afternoon, doesn’t do much for my upvote ratio.

    “Jack S Noel Umsk an hour ago
    “The scared and brain washed masses…”

    Seems they have been on the streets protesting the restrictions. Manchester being the most recent example.. As always, Breitbart’s keyboard warriors were conspicuous by their absence.

    2 1EditView in discussion”

      1. Only the Further. Far Right call it trolling.
        They also define themselves as the only defenders of free speech 🙂

      2. It’s quite good fun, Wibbling! The merkins don’t take much stirring up
        and they have zero humor (sic)

        1. Never thought I’d say it but God bless Harris/Bidet.
          Seems to have quietened them down a bit. We have them on the ropes for the next 8 years 🙂

        2. I wind them up all the time on YouTube. Usually for the abominable way they have treated the language we bequeathed them. As you have noticed, Sue, their world view is so narrow they don’t ‘get’ irony or piss-taking.

  40. Here is the news brought to you by the British Broadcasting Corpse:

    “Sterling continues to appreciate in value against both the Euro and the US $ despite Brexit……”

    Edit to add: “WTF is going on??? The owner of Cadbury will bring production of the chocolate bar from Europe back to the UK following a £15m investment at its original site in Bournville.

    Production of 12,000 tonnes of chocolate – equivalent to 125m bars – will be relocated from Germany and other sites in Europe to Birmingham from next year said Mondelez. It was formed after Cadbury’s former owner Kraft demerged its grocery business in 2011.”

    1. They seriously said that (second line)?! Amazing how they complained about it depreciating in value, ‘because of Brexit’. Let’s hope that the price of new cars will start to fall again. Unfortunately for me, the price of new computers won’t be any time soon, as there’s currently a serious shortage of components. I’ll have to keep my 9yo win7 PC going in the meantime…

      1. Sorry to disappoint – I doubt you will hear any good news on the beeb (despite Brexit)….

        1. He’s last of a generation, he deserves better than a coin.
          Especially given some of the 50p coins the Mint has issued.

          1. Hardly the last of a generation, and if one reads the obituaries, apart from his walk, he didn’t do significantly more than many others.

            He’s a product of the “celebrity age”, which is not to take anything away from him, but where does it stop?

            I applaud his walk and the morale boost it has given, but had it not gone viral and had his money been raised for the RBL poppy appeal instead of the sacred NHS, I don’t suppose it would have been given anything like as much attention.

          1. Did you know that BLM is up for the Nobel Peace Prize? I presume that this year’s one must then be called the ‘Nobel Mostly Peaceful’ Prize…

          2. BLM is the antithesis of Peace

            It is driving Division throughout the World

            I see Canada has just declared Proud Boys a Terrorit Threat, but not a peep about BLM: must be down to Micron’s lover boy, the Canuck PM

          1. I often wondered about Gunga’s name – Did it refer to the decibel levels he achieved blowing his trumpet?

      1. From my personal observation, the quality of ordinands to the Church of England has reached an all time low since Welby took over.
        It’s just a matter of sitting at the back and playing left wing buzzword bingo when they are preaching these days.

        1. Long before that – though you are right. Our last was a failed lorry driver. Useless, idle, arrogant, unChristian arse. After 6 years – we gt rid of him by a sort of UDI.

      2. Apparently the man is now being investigated by the CoE authorities. Imagine what would’ve happened withe the media had Capt Tom been black and the vicar a white man. I’m sure The Guardian is currently thinking up several excuses for his distgusting behaviour.

    1. I agree with G Travis Wingbury (BTL today’s letters)

      Repost of comment on Statue: Sir Tom Moore was a remarkable man – he served his country, as did many others, and raised a mountain of money for the NHS. I don’t undervalue any of this. However, this does not make him either a hero or worthy of a statue. This is yet another outbreak of emotional incontinence – as with the death of Princess Diana. Celebrate the man and his life, but not in bronze.

      1. This one is purely media driven. Many people were genuinely upset by Diana’s death, as they felt they had “known” her for many years. People will be upset when the Queen goes for the same reason.

    2. Our fellow commenters on the DT letters page are suggesting a statue of Queen Elizabeth 2 in uniform on her horse in Trafalgar Square. I am in favour of that.

      1. May I respectfully suggest we ask the Royal Navy to erect a Mast on the 4th plinth and fly the signal: “England expects that every man this day will do his duty”. It will drive the Woke and dear Nicola absolutely crazy!!!

        1. How about a statue of HRH, DoE.
          to celebrate his 100th. Birthday?

          He was in the Royal Navy and
          actively served in WWll.

          1. Only if he is flying the above signal!!!!

            (PS Is he the only Greek not to lose his marbles…)

          2. Can we not allow him one day off?

            He has ‘done his duty’ for well more
            than sixty years, an ‘Admiral’ man in
            many ways!

      2. How’s about a statue of a Brit giving the EU the finger? Rather appropriate for that place, given its name.

          1. That’s the one! Or, if people prefer, the two-fingered salute, used by Winston Churchill himself before being informed what it actually infrers amongst the plebian population.

    3. How many will remember who he was in five years? It will be just another statue to pull down because of his racist past – well he did serve in Burma therefore he is automatically guilty.

      As Jack wrote, he is one of the last of a generation that gave so much. Through him we should commemorate all of them.

        1. To my mind, Geoff, it should be a foregone conclusion that the black, gay C of E vicar should be publicly unfrocked and beaten out of the boundaries of whatever town/city/ village he currently pollutes.

          I’d rather talk to the village idiot.

    1. We watch the video and then what Grizzly?
      Civil uprising? Can’t see that happening any time soon.

      1. Don’t be too sure, unrest throught out the world.
        Who thought the assasination of Archduke Ferdinand would lead to a world war…

        1. That was then, this is now Plum.
          Even today’s Dad’s Army seems to prefer the safety of their online fora,
          Taking to their feet, not so much. Apart from the Veterans defending Churchill’s statue.

          1. I think we are too old on here, Jack, to man the barricades. I am not as fleet of foot as once I was.

          2. Imagine you are being pursued by your least favourite Nottler.
            It will add wings to your heels.

          3. Blimey, I knew we had wheelchair and scooter users, but nobody, to my knowledge, has owned up to a Zimmer!

          4. Especially with a ‘proper wicker’
            basket on front!

            You surely don’t imagine I am going
            to tell………. think what it would do to
            my ratings!! :-))

          5. Well, I could pull a trigger and if my life and that of others of my people (British tribe) were in danger I certainly would! (Don’t fall over, Sue…!)

          6. I’ll just use the one then! Had a funny incident last night. Have been told I can’t kneel for at least 3 months and I assumed it was in case the new joint dislocates. Anyway old man was out with Hector and I put coal on the fire then automatically knelt down to brush up the bits on the hearth…I then realised that it’s not for the healing that you can’t kneel, it’s because you can’t get up as you don’t have enough strength to even get on one knee! I ended up on my back on the floor like a stranded sheep, and finally managed to get a buttock on to a chair and got my stick! I was knackered and really won’t be doing that again! Old man thought the mental picture was hilarious!

    2. It’s shocking how he describes such violence and chaos in such a matter-of-fact way. But it’s true; Antifa on the Continent for example, is worse than it is in the UK.

    3. …and yet Antifa (mostly) are allowed to post and organise on Twitter and facebook, whilst other people are banned (or new platforms cancelled by the industry chums of them) for ‘being consevative’ and ‘funny memes’…

      Of course, most ordinary people will just shrig their shoulders and do nothing. Worth checking out Sargon of Akkad’s newer Lotus Eaters channels on this subject – he has videos interviewing Andy Ngo, about Antifa, including a segment today (I think) on his podcast about a Kent-based leftist activist who is all about letting in the rubber dinghy brigade on the South Coast but is also an Antifa activist as well.

      Many of Antifa’s top people appear to be drawn from academia and other parts of the Public/Third Sector. Rather worrying given many are teaching our young people and kids and in positions of significant influence.

      That in the US they deliberately amped up the BLM protests into riots is also telling, as are more than rumours of them being financed in part by Soros front organisations.

      1. I read that analysis of the concentrations of properties destroyed by Antifa and BLM hooligans demonstrated that these were the most valuable city real estate. The conclusion was that the destruction was a deliberate land grab.

        This activity is typical of Soros, destroy something and buy it up on the cheap.

    4. Antifa’s plan to detroy Democracy…………………for their own ends

      They want to rule us, then we will see how Woke works

  41. That’s me for this rather better day. Tomorrow will finish the beech hedge – then start pruning the roses. Sunday – winter arrives (again). Gosh. That Global Warming certainly has a lot to answer for. Attenborough’s Syndrome…

    Thank you all for your kind remarks. I am leaving early because I am reading a second novel by Angela Thirkell – a name I remember from the days when my Mother had a Boots Lending Library List. Sort of Barbara Pym but lighter and funnier. Anyone who is interested – start with the first two of her long list.

    A demain.

      1. It certainly confused me!

        I was just going out to be jabbed
        when I heard Uncle Bill, Dearest
        Conway and Sweetie Phizz were
        all missing….. how much angst
        should a girlie be expected to
        suffer?

          1. Without wishing to sound
            ‘maudlin’ there are some
            who may consider they have
            had more than their fair share!!

    1. You had better lock them up Mr T, SWMBO has her ‘catnapper’ face on

      Edit and that is after our last ones went to the Rainbow Bridge and I said ‘No more’

      More or me…..

      I am on a loser

      1. Jack.

        Ogga’s opinion is every bit as
        important as yours is, in fact there
        are some who may consider it more
        important than yours.

        We need to be friends in adversity,
        times are going to get nasty!

        1. “Ogga’s opinion is every bit as important as yours is, in fact there are some who may consider it more important than yours”

          Explains my negative upvote ratio ;-( Cheers Garlands.

        2. I would have a lot more time for ogga1 if he bothered to do us the courtesy of writing in English, rather than gibberish.

          I know that he can because I once wound him up sufficiently to get a proper, literate and well argued response.

          1. I agree with you; although he
            chooses to insult us with his,
            quite deliberate, lack of grammar
            I cannot fault his sentiments.

          1. Nanners, there are some on here
            who are not classed as trolls; I find
            their sarcastic and barely concealed
            venom to be far more offensive than
            Jacks rather half-hearted attempts!!

  42. Here’s a sobering glimpse of the dystopian future in store for us, using technology to monitor for “hate speech”, which is in development and promoted and funded by all police forces across the European continent

    Marketed as a multiplatform analytical tool to evaluate speech and facial patterns in order to create visual mapping for authorities and identity suspects, ROXANNE is a new breed of surveillance technology in the process of development

    A biometrics based platform ostensibly to monitor and crack down on organised crime an additional application of ROXANNE which its creators advertise freely is the ability to monitor those guilty of alleged hate speech and political extremism.

    A product of the EU funded Horizon 2020 to foster new surveillance technology, ROXANNE works across social media sites such as Facebook, YouTube as well as normal telecommunications platforms to identify, categorise and track faces and voices enabling authorities to paint a more in depth picture of the network being investigated whether it be in relation to criminal activity or those deemed politically extreme

    Read more on this link and tremble … https://www.roxanne-euproject.org/project
    :¬(

      1. No way, Sos, if you understand English, I would say, “Try me in a court of ‘English’ law.” I shall enjoy kicking arse all the way to Brussels and beyond.

  43. Time for some anti-Covid medicine. A handsome slug of 12 year old Speyside antiseptic should do the trick!

          1. I think maybe a few of us are going stir crazy (although some no doubt have been shall we say a little unusual since before lockdowns started…)

          2. Come on … tell it like it is!

            Some of us have always been
            a little ‘unusual’…. in the nicest
            possible way.

          1. You over estimate my capabilities,
            Corim.
            Today I had, against my better judgement,
            the jab … a friend took me to the vaccination
            centre in Wellingborough, after my fifteen
            minutes relaxation we hit the high spots:
            B&Q, M&S and Tesco … we lived dangerously
            today … and ended up with the giggles!! :-))

          2. As long as they came from the top rather than the bottom, I’m sure all will be well.

            }:-O

    1. The lads who worked in the Speyside ‘Brewery’ (OK Distillery) in the 1960’s had
      unsullied spin dryers at home, into which they used put the disposable filters used
      in the whisky production…. allegedly.

      1. …and the barrels, with their by now, charcoal linings were scavenged for anything up to 140% proof liquor.

          1. Back in the day the Irish added the “e” so customers could distinguish it from the inferior Scottish brew. Allegedly.

          2. Ooh! Haven’t had that in years! Was at college with a crowd from NI (Portrush) and had a couple of very happy nights on the Bushmills!

  44. Back to Captain Tom.

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/captain-tom-delightful-man-and-propaganda-tool/

    BORIS Johnson’s latest mad idea – right up there with Lord Ashcroft’s mad idea last year that the NHS should be awarded Britain’s highest peacetime gallantry award, the George Cross – is to put up a statue to the late Captain Sir Tom Moore.
    You can imagine the conversations this will one day provoke.
    ‘Grandpa, who is that man?’
    ‘That’s Captain Tom.’
    ‘Was he a hero? Did he win the war like the other statues – Winston
    Churchill and Field Marshal Slim and Field Marshal Montgomery?’
    ‘Not exactly. He was in the war, but not in a combat role. Mainly he taught people how to drive tanks and ride motorcycles.’
    ‘So what DID he do to get a statue?’
    ‘He walked up and down his garden lots of times on his Zimmer frame.’
    ‘You’re joking. No one would get a statue for that.’
    ‘Well, he was very old at the time.’
    ‘Yeah but lots of very old people walk up and down their gardens, even without Zimmer frames.’
    ‘Ah yes, but what you have to remember is the early 2020s was a very weird time indeed. Nothing made sense at all.’
    De mortuis nil nisi bonum. ‘Too soon’, as the Twitter version has it. I mean absolutely no disrespect to Captain Tom. I’m sure
    he was a lovely, game chap with delightful old-fashioned manners, a sense of humour and a can-do spirit. I think it’s absolutely wonderful that he got to spend the last year of his long life having such fun: a knighthood, a Battle of Britain flight flypast, a free holiday in Barbados.
    What I don’t get at all, though, is the mix of ostentatious lachrymosity and canting panegyric (‘He was the best of us’) surrounding
    his death at the ripe old age of 100. The reason we have heard ofCaptain Tom is not because he had ‘a good war’, as many still-living MCs and DFCs and DSOs did. And it’s not because walking 2.5 kilometres in instalments on a Zimmer frame, even aged 99, is anything to write home about. I know of at least one 101-year-old who regularly does the same, unaided, in one go.
    No, the reason for the cult of Captain Tom is that we are being played by a very cynical and devious political and media Establishment.
    Captain Tom has become a government propaganda tool. He is our equivalent of Alexey Stakhanov, the Russian miner celebrated as a Hero of the Soviet Union because he dug out such stupendous quantities of coal. Stakhanov’s propaganda function was to inspire the workers to similarly heroic heights of productivity. Captain Tom’s propaganda function was twofold. First, he helped promote the ongoing myth that the NHS is not merely our national treasure and the envy of the world but
    something so important that our economy, our freedoms, even our lives should be sacrificed to guarantee its survival. Second, his service record (no ex-soldier retains the rank of ‘Captain’, by the way) invited dishonest comparisons with the Second World War, heavy-hinting that Covid-19 is our Hitler, our Mussolini, our Tojo, which if we all pull together we can beat.
    Both are massive lies and I really oughtn’t to have to explain why. But in this climate, maybe I’d better. The purpose of a National Health Service is to serve (the clue is in the name) the populace, not the other way round, and if it’s really so amazing it shouldn’t need staged, Stalin-style, clapping events to remind us of this alleged fact. As for the Second World War, it was an existential struggle between good and evil in which there were many millions of excess deaths; Covid-19, on the other hand, is just a fairly bad flu blown completely out of proportion. It’s shocking how many people don’t get this, even those on the sceptical side of the coronavirus argument. Quite a few, I was unimpressed to notice on Twitter, couldn’t resist parading their niceness by paying tribute to this great hero and greeting his death as ‘such terrible news’. Since when was dying at 100 surrounded by your
    family a ‘terrible’ thing? Surely for most of us it would be our fondest wish? And what exactly was the preferred outcome in this scenario –
    that medics should suddenly have discovered the elixir of life, enabling Captain Tom to live for another century?
    If you think I’m being heartless or unduly argumentative on this point, consider the bigger picture: for nigh on a year now, millions of people have had their lives devastated, their businesses crushed, their jobs destroyed, their freedoms stolen, their mental and physical and health jeopardised, their education denied as a result of wantonly bad government policy. The job of any responsible, intelligent, critical thinker is to expose and oppose this outrage at every turn, not tacitly to endorse it by playing into the bully state’s mendacious, devious propaganda narrative. Clapping Captain Tom is not a politically neutral exercise. It’s an
    effective acknowledgement of the political/media Establishment’s Overton Window of permitted debate. It plays along with the official line that while all this oppressive nonsense we’ve experienced recently is unpleasant, it’s a great national endeavour of which we should all be proud, which we shouldn’t question and for which we should all cheerfully do our bit just like Captain Tom did.
    Mine is an argument you’re unlikely to see commissioned or published in any of the newspapers which the government has been keeping afloat with £100million plus of Covid propaganda advertising. Funny that, eh?

    1. Moore served in India and the Burma campaign during the Second World War,
      The battle of Kohima springs to mind.
      Our MSM seem to think WW2 only happened in Northern Europe.

          1. Indeed.
            When such things are discussed, I always reflect on just how world wide both wars really were, and yet most of the “narrative” focuses on comparatively small areas.

          2. From my Journal (Apols if I’ve posted this before)

            “On the way back towards Reading on the K&A, I moored at Burghfield Bridge and treated myself to a well-earned pint of apple juice (ABV 5%) part of my “Five-a-day”! It was early evening and the pub was empty except for one old boy so it seemed the friendly thing to do to join him for a chat.
            I asked him how he came to live in Burghfield and he replied that his work had brought him there. It was natural to ask him what he used to do before retirement. He explained that at the start of his career he had joined a technical branch of the Civil Service working in machine shops that developed weaponry for the armed forces. As his career progressed, he found himself in charge of assembling nuclear bombs. He told me that in the early days it was common practice to assemble a complete bomb and deliver it in a General Post Office lorry to the requisite Royal Air Force base. When the security risks of this practice were re-assessed it was decided that the parts for the nuclear bombs would in future to be delivered to the appropriate RAF bases in separate instalments. He and his team would then travel to the base and assemble the bomb in situ.
            He happened to be engaged on this task at one RAF base in October 1962 when RAF Pilots were ordered to be ready at 10 minutes notice to take off with armed nuclear weapons on board. Fortunately, between them President Kennedy and Mr Khrushchev managed to come to an amicable settlement of the Cuba Missile Crisis, which is why the Pillboxes are still intact today, you could say dozing quietly all along the Kennet and Avon canal.”

          3. I missed all that, being a small boy with parents on an Elder-Dempster line ship to Nigeria.
            You might call it “crisis relocation”.

          4. You do realise that Enola is alone spelled backwards (probably accounts for the catamite connection)…..

          5. My F-i-L was a junior officer, he served all across NA, up through Sicily, Italy, back to UK for D-day and thence all the way to the Grand Finale.
            A lucky man to have survived.

      1. Moore was not at Kohima. As the article says, he never had a combat role – he taught motorcycle riding and, later on, tank driving in India. Yes, he served in Burma too, but after the invasion and in the rear echelon. He was never a “war-hero”.

        For real war-heroes in the Far Eastern theatre, think Chindits.

        1. Didn’t say he was Dunc. I gave an example of the war in the Far East our media seem to ignore.
          Along with the Korean war, the Chindits are high on my reading list.

        2. My late father served with the Royal Artillery in India and Burma. I have his service medals including his Burma Star.

          The only things I know about his service (from service photographs) was that he went out a relatively young man, albeit ten years older than ‘Captain Bob’, and returned a relatively old man with a haggard appearance and rotten teeth.

          He never mentioned the evident horrors of the Burma campaign except to say that he was a bombardier and that he greatly admired the Gurkhas and the Indian regiments he served alongside. Hardly a word or mention of Japanese whom he detested.

          My father admired Montgomery. He thought that it was better to be properly armed and supported with adequate supplies and overwhelming strength than to go into battle unprepared and unsupplied.

      2. Down in the south of France the French think only the US was involved in the liberation of Europe. France nord knows better.

    2. I tried to format it, but I was only partly successful, apologies to those wading through its peculiarities

  45. Hmm I see we’re getting tedious. I may look in again later when the children have gone to bed.

    1. I’ll be a prophet.

      A few more like him and the CoE will be a footnote in the history of Christianity in twenty years time.

        1. Check out the Cathars

          They tried to worship God, but not via an RC priest……. Lots of monies not going to the Pope

          They were attcked as heretics, see what happened to Beziers

          The proles were also preventd from learning to read and write, by the church

          It will return

          1. The Cathar heresy was insupportable. By believing our bodies to be evil they avoided procreation, hence no future in it.

          2. Clearly ahead of their time and the latest thinking that there are about 7.5 Billion too many people on Planet Earth….

        2. Indeed so, and like the Catholics I suspect the CoE will downgraded, probably by happy-clappy evangelicals of a darker hue…

      1. You understand the plot sos

        Demoralise the Christians to make a Caliphatisation easier

        1. That shirt-lifting vicar, Jarel Robinson-Brown, wouldn’t like a Caliphate.

          He’d be one of the first to leave the top storey of a tall building, by the shortest route.

      2. The CoE has issued a Twitter of its own:

        Jarel Robinson-Brown’s comments regarding Captain Sir Tom Moore were unacceptable, insensitive, and ill-judged. The fact that he immediately removed his tweet and subsequently apologised does not undo the hurt he has caused, not least to Captain Tom’s family. Nor do Jarel’s actions justify the racist abuse he is now receiving.

        A review is now underway, led by the Archdeacon of London. As a Church, we expect clergy to ensure that all online activity is in line with the Church of England’s social media guidelines and built on truth, kindness and sensitivity to others. It is incumbent upon all of us to make social media and the web more widely positive places for conversations to happen.

        One response: “Live by the sword, die by the sword.”

          1. They could just unlock and throw open their church doors. They are unlikely to be burnt at the stake….

        1. Good evening, William.

          ‘The COE has issued a twitter of its own.’

          Surely that should be in the past tense:
          twit:
          ie… tw*t?

          Edited.

        2. “…the Church of England’s social media guidelines…” supervised by the Moderator, I suppose, in the interests of ecumenism.

        3. Sorry, I don’t see Christianity anywhere in that tweet. Looks like a bog-standard left wing damage limitation exercise.

          He was un-Christian, and should not be a minister of any decent Church.

          1. Nope. Macintosh. Mind you the perpetual Gates’ Microsoft versus Apple competition means that for every Windows upgrade a whole load of glitch shit has to be accommodated by Apple with its own fixes where the operating systems overlap.

            Edit: Yup I took you literally and then saw the reference to 10. I admitted to losing it on occasion some time ago.

          2. My reply was purely in response to ‘defenestrate’, like via the window, poor pun perhaps.

          3. “If I don’t see you through the week, I’ll see you through the windows.”
            — Bill Gates

          4. Nope. Macintosh. Mind you the perpetual Gates’ Microsoft versus Apple competition means that for every Windows upgrade a whole load of glitch shit has to be accommodated by Apple with its own fixes where the operating systems overlap.

            Edit: Yup I took you literally and then saw the reference to 10. I admitted to losing it on occasion some time ago.

      1. I am suddenly reminded why i hated my C of E school so much. They all spoke in a different dialect.

  46. I’m not alone here, but I understand that by posting @Conway that there is a remote chance you will read this.

    I hope that all is well with you and the Connemara.

    Just an uptick would reassure me that all is well with you and I’ll pass it on to the Nottlers.

    Take care, enjoy the memories of the foil and the country dancing…

  47. Earlier there was a roll call for those MIA. Is Citroen Ok or is he on hols in the Bahamas?

    1. ‘… or is he on hols in the Bahamas?’

      Of course he is, … along with every
      other private-jet using ‘Climate Change
      Advocate.’

      1. And … by joining in here, are you not
        one of us?

        I refuse to pander to your ego, you
        are, on occasion, unbelievable!!

  48. Despite the occasional vitriol and acrimony, I get the impression that if anyone who posts on this forum, whether liked or disliked, asks for help or advice: advice or help would be readily forthcoming.

    1. I would hope so, Stephen.
      One always risks the chance
      of refute, … but I am constantly
      thankful that such generosity of
      spirit exists.

      1. Agreed …….even though some people have no idea where they could be invited to go or rather should go.

    2. I believe you’re right, Stephen, we all try to be helpful, each in his or her way.

      Myself, I have, upon occasion, advised one or two posters on where to go and what they should do when they get there.

  49. 329059+ up ticks,
    Closer to home it does look like dick & the pillow whisperer are working up a storm on the weather front,

    Delingpole: We Didn’t Ask For it, But Boris the Con Man’s Great Green Revolution Whopper is Coming

      1. Curiously the best description of Boris Johnson I have come across is from Katie Hopkins: “A potato with a wig”.

        When I thought about it I realised this is a brilliant observation, even his slanting narrowed eyelids resemble the eyes on a potato.

          1. Yukon Gold. He is enriching himself with backhanders from Soros, Gates and big Pharma.

            We can all see it enfolding before our very eyes. What a despicable bunch of self interested morons we have representing our interests.

    1. Just think it’s probably only three or four steps up to the Full Cabinet Meeting……

  50. Thought for the day…

    If only the Left would confine themselves to posting to each other on their echo chambers the country might not be in the sorry state it is today. Unfortunately, unlike we Right, they don’t.

  51. The collapse of bin collections has been a lockdown disaster

    Wrong: It will be the ineptness of YOUR local council to adapt

    Where I live, in Lincolnshire:

    Bins (of each colour) are emptied on the right day
    Roads are mended
    Fences painted
    Normal work done

    Your lot are hiding behind Covid

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/jemima-lewis/

    1. I can’t complain about our bin (run by private companies) collections and recycling, but our roads are now an absolute disgrace.

      1. Yo RE

        Move

        I just did

        Sharing my lounge with

        14 unpacked boxes
        2 unconnected TVs
        A Tea trolley
        3 Settees (one should/must ) go tomorrow
        A Treasure Hunt to find a tin opener
        A well stocked bar in Utility Room

        1. 😏
          You’ll get there OLT, last count I’ve done it 16 times.
          Enjoy have a drink at the bar to celebrate. 🥂 Good luck.
          Any one seen Conners ? I hope he’s okay.

          1. He lived near where I used to, we never met
            he is ex RAF, lives near Cheshire/Shropshire border
            A Mason
            Has posted recently that he is not too well, neither is his wife

          2. Cheers, any have his email ? I’ll try HL tmz. Night all. Don’t let the bugs bite………….

          1. Yep! Every home should have a tea trolley! To transport the drinks from the utility room!

          2. Yep! Every home should have a tea trolley! To transport the drinks from the utility room!

    2. Wednesday we put our half-full wheelie bin out as usual. They didn’t empty it
      That’s half a bin to last us two weeks..
      Two weeks time they fine us for having an over-full bin we won’t be happy.

    3. The damage to our economy and to our well-being as a result of government stop-start lockdown policy will take years to recover from. These incompetents will have destroyed millions of jobs, lost enormous sums in tax revenue and left us with crippling debts which will take a century to pay off.

      I cannot think of a more disgraceful bunch of self centred profit making bunch of miscreants as our present government. They think themselves ‘masters of the universe’ by association with Bilderburgers, Soros, Gates and Schwab and the rest.

      We are lions led by lambs, as ever.

      1. I watched a programme earlier it was about the absolute waste of money spent on PPE apparently there are containers loads from China, around 2 thousand plus, full of the stuff, with a limited shelf life. I think it was on BBC 2 around 7:30 pm.
        Implications were raised about people with no previous experiences in manufacturing these products being linked socially with certain politicians.
        And the lies being lined up to avoid the truth on these matters.

        1. I believe this faux pandemic has been promoted by politicians across the globe in order to further their own financial gain. They have been promised vast sums of money for going along with it and are toeing the line of least resistance viz. enriching themselves at our expense by fear mongering and threats.

          This perversion has been obvious from the outset. If our government was serious about confronting a supposed deadly virus they will have involved the best brains in the business to advise them.

          Instead we have been obliged to witness a succession of dead sheep emitting their doleful
          prognostications leaving nothing but despondency and despair in their wake.

          The sooner this bunch of charlatans and doomsayers are exposed for what they are, and for what they represent, the better for us all.

          Edit: the downvote almost proves the validity of my opinion. Unless I hear the opposing argument which is doubtful.

          Does the woman just sit there all evening watching for comments by those for whom she harbours hatred and pounce with a downvote for the sake of it? This study would make a very interesting thesis for some post grad student in psychology.

          1. You might be right Corim, but why bump off all the oldies they already serve no purpose especially in the UK, we are one of the worse countries on the planet for looking after elderly people. And what’s the idea of letting so many useless third world illegal ‘migrants’ (infiltrators) come here when they have no money making abilities. The economy will suffer from this massively. It’s totally pointless.
            Is that silly farmer the guest down voter ? Who ever it is hasn’t even got the guts to come out of hiding. Pathetic.

    4. Our council is part of a 3 council partnership and the bins are regularly collected on the correct day through Joint Wate Solutions. When it came about we were told it would save the ratepayers about £2 million over the period so that it can be wasted on something else.

      1. Perhaps,Garlands, you can remind me to post it again in the morning. :-))
        It was 69,000 when we signed but I see it’s approaching 71,000 in less than 15 minutes.

        1. I shall do my best, Alf,
          but please remember:
          I have been jabbed this
          morning…. I may not have
          lo…..
          I am not tempting God or
          fate!!

          1. Hope you keep well. I’ll write myself a note and put it by the computer.

            Have a good lie in tomorrow. 🙏🙏

      1. Maybe not but at least it shows the strength of feeling.
        Bloody MPs are useless they just toe the party line.

          1. However, ……….

            If the Excretia hits the rapidly rotating fan blades at a later date and
            the problem had been pointed out by us mere peasants, it makes it harder
            for the idlers in Westminster to escape sanction

          2. The fora regulars seem to be waiting for we “brainwashed masses”, we “sheeple” to take the lead.

          3. Go to bed. Jack;

            that is the least you owe yourself!

            It will also give us insomniacs a little
            peace and quiet….. hopefully!

          4. Unfortunately if the majority think won’t bother to sign as it’ll make no difference then of course they’ll not have any effect. Sign it and encourage others to and one day it might, just might, make a difference.

          5. We can only vote for the options on the ballot papers Alf.
            Next GE we’ll be faced with the options.

          1. Thanks. As OK as things can be, given the circumstances – everything is shut down thanks to Covid. No help, no respite and I’m struggling to make decisions at the moment due to depression. I’ll be fine as soon as things let up a bit.

    1. The WA and the ‘deal’ left too much to be desired and must be cancelled.

      77,608 at 2425 hrs GMT

    2. The WA and the ‘deal’ left too much to be desired and must be cancelled.

      77,608 at 2425 hrs GMT

  52. Right that is me done for, for tonight

    Sleep tight, don’t let the bugs bite

    Stay safe

  53. Good evening, everyone. Thank you for the attempts to get in touch with me. I am as well as can be expected in the circumstances. Alas, I’d had a bad week (in truth, none of my weeks could be described as good, but this one was slightly worse than most) with the Occupational Therapy team messing me around and finally, when I’d told them for the third time what they wanted to know, telling me that they wouldn’t do anything (but if things got worse – what, you mean when MOH is completely bedridden? – I should give them a call. I told them as they’d said they couldn’t do anything, I’d save the cost of the phone call), being emailed by my social worker contact to confirm that I couldn’t get the respite I am entitled to as laid out in my Carer’s Assessment and finally culminating, after a week of broken sleep, in having to get up at 04.00 to clean up after MOH’s occasional bout of bowel incontinence (sorry about TMI!), I came here to find that potty-mouthed peddy, the pompous pedant, had decided that, after his aggressive agricultural side-kick had had a go at softening me up, it would be fun to gratuitously insult me, make paranoid accusations and finally issue a pathetic threat. I don’t need that; I have enough real crap, unpleasantness and verbal abuse (MOH gets confused, frustrated and occasionally sounds off at me) 24/7. If I hadn’t withdrawn, I would have lost my temper and the whole thing would, as no doubt was intended, have escalated and made things unpleasant for everybody, not just me. As I value this forum too much to want to disturb its harmony, I left, although I did pop back recently to read without signing in and saw your concern. I am sorry I caused any anxiety.

      1. Thank you for your concern. I don’t know what got into peddy; I couldn’t get any reason from him for his accusations – or understand why he was so abusive in the first place. Whether he’d had too much – or not enough – to drink or he was egged on behind the scenes, I’ve no idea, but I certainly don’t need any extra unpleasantness in my life at the moment. I was better off out of that.

          1. First day i have felt a bit better. I can wiggle my toes for the first time in a week. The Hospital called me yesterday to say there had been a cancellation and would i like the spot. Duh !

            Ultrasound found that problem which is secondary to the other lot. So things are looking better.

          2. I am pleased for you.

            I have a sore arm but
            no other reaction… so far! :-))

            Edited: I owe you an up-vote,
            Disqus won’t let me, I will try
            later.

    1. Gawd, it’s hard enough looking after a woman who doesn’t have those problems. I think we both look at each other and wonder which one is going to go down first. Hope you’ve wetted your tongue on a February brew.

    2. So sorry you have had such a bad time at home, Conway, and so little practical assistance or encouragement from those who should give it. I could not understand the outburst, as I could see nothing to provoke it. I think the problem is too much evening alcohol in general on here, I think we all succumb under the circumstances at the moment, and there is a general underlying current of grumpiness with those circumstances – our lives are no longer under our control. The good news, of course, is that it is February….. (February fill-dyke my mum used to call it, as if we didn’t have enough rain in January – I suppose that was in the days when January meant snow, we have had only a flurry in s. Cambs). At least you can enjoy your glass of red with a free conscience.

      Just block people if they upset you, I have two blocked now, I had a little spat with AC last night and one from previously as I did not like the way she spoke to people so I decided I would be happier not to read it. I don’t come on here for adversary. Night night and sleep soundly.

    3. Most of us worked out some time ago that the supposedly cuddly Peddy is everything but.

      He is a perfect example of an operative whose main objective is to oppose an opposing view to hinder his is
      No

    4. Good morning, Conway.

      I am pleased you are okay[ish!]

      Notifications are open for a week,
      perhaps you will like to have Geoff’s
      e-mail address? I will ask him to
      forward it to you…

      1. Yes, please. I have sent an email to Ndovu at the hedgehog sanctuary, so she now has my address.

          1. Hi, J.

            I have spoken to Geoff,
            he wonders if you will pass
            it onto him, as per Conway’s
            permission. Thank you.

    5. No worries, Conners. Fully understand a hard time like that, and you don’t need the extra crap. Take care of yourself, always assuming you get the time!

      1. Thanks. Finding time for myself is increasingly difficult. That’s why I miss the horse therapy so much; it got me out of the house for something other than shopping (and dog-walking, but the hound is so old now, we can’t go very far or very fast).

    6. My heartfelt sympathies on your situation. You must be stretched to breaking point. Please do get in contact if you want. And I hope they open the riding schools soon.

      1. Thanks. I’m afraid I am not good on the telephone – one reason why my social worker contact’s offer of “joining a talking group” rather than actually getting a chance to get a real break didn’t actually do anything for me.

      1. Thanks, Phizzee. Hope you’re feeling better now and you get the all clear from your scans.

    7. Bloody hell, you’re going through the mill. I hope you get the help you need soon.

      I try to keep out of personal disputes, but Peddy can be an arsehole, especially I suspect when pissed, but I was disgusted by his attack on you.

      But welcome back.

          1. Thank you. I’m afraid it’s no more than he deserved. It was so uncalled for, let alone unnecessary. It has been good to be back among friends.

    8. So sorry to hear of your troubles Conway. Hope you get the help you so clearly need very soon. Look after yourself. All best wishes from vw and me.

    9. Hi, Conners.

      Please don’t apologise for causing anxiety. Our anxiety pales into insignificance compared to your current trials and tribulations. We were concerned because you are a well-loved and well-respected member of this forum and without you, it loses much of its vitality.

      I can only agree with you, fully, about the obnoxious, full-of-his-own-importance member who gets far more respect on here than he deserves. I’m told that he has blocked me — thank goodness for small mercies. I haven’t reciprocated since to do so would lower me to his sub-planktonic level.

      Best wishes for the future and hopefully you will keep in touch. Our support for you will never diminish.

    1. Night-night, Ndovu, may you sleep soundly dreaming of hedgehogs and elephants (there is a title there for a book).

    1. Conway, I have missed your ‘Goodnight, everyone’ at the end of the day, as so many here have. I do hope you are able to get some respite and feel more ready to be here again. All the best from snowy West Virginia!

    2. Hello Conway! I’ve just got up to let one of the cats out (and very quickly back in again!) and was thinking about you as I stood on the doorstep whistling my front teeth out, then opened the site and found you here! I’m delighted to see you back! I’m so sorry you’re having such a difficult time and hope you will continue to use your Nottler pals to bounce the bad stuff off. Enjoy the Merlot and keep as positive as you can. Don’t let the bu***rs get you down! Bless you Conway!

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