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Today’s letters (visible only to DT subscribers) are here:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/12/01/lettersetons-hostility-teachers-lecture-exposes-closed-mentality/
Good Morning Folks
Thin cloud not too cold here
Lockdown Sceptics: correspondence to Angela Richardson (Con) MP re today’s vote.
Lockdown Sceptics – Mass Write-In
You will get her whether you like her or not. That is democracy.
327040+up ticks,
Morning JM,
That is dangerous stupidity.
Indeed. Isn’t that what the majority vote for?
327040+ up ticks,
JM,
Indeed again,again,& again.
Better than the PR scheme we have in Norway. You vote for a party, and they buggers decide who your MP is.
It’s time to tolerate free speech at Cambridge. 1 December 2020.
Cambridge University came up with a policy to defend free speech in March. Staff, students and visitors should have free speech, says the university’s council statement, so long as they are “respectful” of differing opinions and of “the diverse identity of others”.
This is at best casuistry and at worst blatant hypocrisy! The whole purpose of free speech is to be able to say what you damn well please whether others like it or not. Anything that is “tolerated” “conceded” or “allowed” is not free. Permission to speak or march in protest is the very denial of freedom since it assumes that the PTB have the right to curtail it!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/01/time-tolerate-free-speech-cambridge/
I see little evidence in Cambridge right now of them being respectful of differing opinions and of the diverse identity of others.
They have made it abundantly clear that they hate my sort.
What is “your sort”, jeremy?
Indigenous British, male, middle class, over 60, heterosexual, discarded single father, Christian, thinking and loving.
Ah, “normal”, you mean 🙂
Certainly not! Everyone is unique in an English village.
Good morning, all – another grey miserable looking day. Large full moon still shining, though.
Morning Bill!
Bright & sunny up here so far!
‘Morning, Peeps.
The story of Eton’s mess continues:
SIR – In the Fifties I was form master of a science lower sixth. My timetable included two periods a week when I could freely indulge in educating my pupils – to lead them to consider rationally the great issues they would face in their later careers – rather than follow an exam syllabus.
Not once in those years did the Head Master inquire what use I was making of those periods. This system was one of the glories of Winchester, where Simon Henderson, the current head master of Eton, was in the Nineties.
His reported proscription of the lecture, “The Patriarchy Paradox”, recorded by one of his English teachers, has therefore led me to listen to it, and then listen very carefully for a second time. I find nothing in it to which objection can be made.
It is a well-constructed essay, making numerous references to writers over the centuries. In other words, it is excellent material for sixth-form discussion.
On Eton’s website, Mr Henderson writes that an aim of the school is “to promote an open-minded and outward-looking mentality so that boys are ready to play an active role serving their wider community”. His dismissal of the English teacher is in direct contradiction, and the educational world is the worse for it.
Professor Sir Bryan Thwaites
Fishbourne, West Sussex
SIR – The woke Left-illiberal axis so loves our venerable institutions – Cambridge, the National Trust, the BBC, the CofE, and now Eton – that it wants them for its modern self.
Strange … apart from nice buildings, what will they be left with?
James Walton
Sutton Courtenay, Oxfordshire
SIR – If, as the authorities at Eton claim, there exists a law suppressing freedom of speech on particular historical or scientific issues, is it not the moral duty of every freedom-loving citizen to combat it by every means possible?
Nikolai Tolstoy
Southmoor, Berkshire
SIR – Why is it acceptable for headteachers of girls’ schools to lecture them (quite rightly) on the value of girls and women in society, but it is frowned upon for a master in a boys’ school to do the same for boys and men?
Raith Smith
Sherborne St John, Hampshire
SIR – The paradox for Eton’s “woke” Head Master is that, however much he tinkers with diversity and inclusion, and then sacks staff who question his cultural changes, the school remains – as it has done since the reign of its founder Henry VI – a male bastion, allowing parents the choice of a single-sex education (as applies equally at Roedean).
Until this anomaly is corrected (and it mustn’t be), the Head Master is virtue-signalling, dangerously playing to a gallery that wants to get rid of the school’s 580-year-old traditions, and ultimately of Eton College, too.
Charles Foster
Chalfont St Peter, Buckinghamshire
SIR —On a recent visit to a reserve run by the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds, I found that the bird hides were closed to “keep you safe”. I was there just after first light and nobody was around. To enter a hide and peer into the gloom with binoculars is hardly living on the edge.
I joined the RSPB because I wanted to protect birds and their habitats. If I wanted help with protecting myself, I would join the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents or the Health and Safety Executive (assuming they offer associate membership).
Come on, let’s stop treating everybody like children and allow people to manage their own risk.
Richard Whitticase
Ramsey St Mary’s, Huntingdonshire
I joined the Royal Suppliers of Porcelain Blue-tits in 1984 when the organisation was still, ostensibly, concerned about the welfare of birds. I enjoyed travelling the country and visiting its bird reserves.
Unfortunately it became progressively more and more political and the last straw, for me, was reached when they grubbed out a large copse of prime bird-breeding habitat, at its wonderful North Norfolk reserve at Titchwell Marsh, and installed a picnic area for visitors! Proper birders do not require a picnic area (we carry sandwiches and a flask) but birds need a safe haven where to breed and roost.
As a direct consequence I cancelled my membership in 1999.
Chicken sangwitches, natch.
Peacock butties
Larks tongue and swan mini-pies
I’ll see your lark’s tongue and swan mini-pies and raise you an Ortolan.
I’ll get the bunting out..
I was more of a ‘substantial’ Scotch egg and tomato soup man.
A substantial meal.
And a Penguin for afters.
Kiwi fruit for pud.
I’m sure they only did it for a lark.
Morning all
Illiberal hate laws
SIR – Is Professor Penney Lewis (Letters, November 28) seriously saying that criminals who have raped or murdered should not be ridiculed in cartoons in case this inflames passions against people with similar racial or religious characteristics?
Having read the Law Commission’s proposals on hate crime, it seems to me it is promoting the idea that people fall into groups, and that some are more in need of protection than others.
Where does this leave anybody who does not fit into one of these groups? And where does it leave freedom of speech and expression? Will it become a hate crime even to publish reports of rape and murder if the perpetrator has “special characteristics”?
Where do the events surrounding the Charlie Hebdo crimes fit into this? The proprietors of the magazine would have committed a hate crime by incitement to violence. The murderers who beheaded their staff, and Samuel Paty, must be protected, however.
Jenny Unsworth
Congleton, Cheshire
Charles Moore today:
It’s time to tolerate free speech at Cambridge
The University’s attempt to codify a policy on free expression creates as many problems as it solves
CHARLES MOORE
1 December 2020 • 6:00am
Cambridge University came up with a policy to defend free speech in March. Staff, students and visitors should have free speech, says the university’s council statement, so long as they are “respectful” of differing opinions and of “the diverse identity of others”.
It sounds reasonable. One naturally wants people to show respect in their dealings with others. But wait: how can one make people respect opinions which they find appalling? As Stephen Fry points out, such respect is a thing of the heart; it cannot be commanded. Like millions, I think fascism and communism should not be respected, and for the same reason – that they are totalitarian. I cannot respect what I see as doctrines of cruelty.
What one can reasonably be asked to do, however, is tolerate the expression of such views. Indeed, the very concept of tolerance arises from disapproval. It is the only way to protect freedom of speech when people profoundly disagree.
Once you try to tie freedom of speech to respect for “the diverse identity of others”, the situation gets worse still. Under recent practice, it takes only one person in an institution to say their identity is offended by some remark for the speaker to be censored and disciplined.
The current dismissal case at Eton, in which a master put on YouTube his talk to boys on the subject of masculinity, is only the latest example of how such a process can be triggered. The complainant against his words – or so the Head Master thought – had the law on his/her side. Free speech lasted only for so long as no one complained, so it was not free at all.
Substantial numbers of Cambridge dons are worried by the university’s free speech statement as it stands. They propose amendments which would take out “respect” and insert “tolerance” and have called a ballot of all senior members of the university. The vote closes on December 8.
The history of the Cambridge statement is telling. In March last year, a visiting fellowship for the conservative social thinker Jordan Peterson was rescinded after a photograph appeared of him standing with a man wearing a T-shirt which said: “I am a proud Islamophobe”.
The vice-chancellor, Stephen Toope, justified the cancelling of Professor Peterson: “Robust debate can scarcely occur … when some members of the community are made to feel personally attacked, not for their ideas but for their very identity.”
Thus did Prof Toope, in a manner worthy of a satire by George Orwell, justify the removal of free speech in the name of free speech. Perturbed by this, dons tried to get free speech formally protected – hence the statement. But Prof Toope and his allies were prepared to cooperate only if his concepts of “identity” and “respect” were included.
Unamended, his council’s statement risks empowering the Thought Police it is supposed to prevent.
National Distrust
Once the National Trust decided it would start flagging up its properties’ relationships with slavery and what it calls “colonialism” (as if all agree on the definition of that word), it bought itself controversy without end.
Part of its process has been to appoint an exterior expert panel under Rita Mclean, a “museums and heritage consultant”. The trust says the group is “made up of professionals from a range of backgrounds including academics and specialists from the museum and heritage sector. Their work is to help steer and inform our internal progress towards high-quality interpretation and contextualisation at properties where colonial histories are particularly relevant.”
I have asked who is on the panel, but have been told that, “because of possible abuse and threats, we won’t be announcing individual members”. Can you think of a method less likely to inspire confidence than to have experts telling the trust what to do, yet not to tell its members who they are?
County lines
The fate of Kent – the whole of it cast into Covid Tier 3 – reawakens old rivalries. For aeons, the county has divided itself at the River Medway. If you come from the west of the Medway, you are a Kentish Man (or Maid); if from the east, a Man (or Maid) of Kent.
Traditionally, the Men of Kent have rather looked down on the Kentish Men. They claim longer settlement, and stouter resistance to William the Conqueror. The county motto Invicta (“undefeated”) refers to them.
In recent times, however, the Kentish Men have started to get the upper hand. On the whole, the west is posher nowadays. Property prices are higher, countryside lusher. And now the Kentish Men are inclined to blame the Men of Kent for the county’s unwelcome Tier-3 status. It’s the fault of all those scuzzy bits in the north-east, they say: look at Sheppey with its three prisons; look at those nasty rough people in Sittingbourne.
Angry Men of Kent fight back from their ancient redoubts such as Canterbury and beautiful landscapes such as the Isle of Oxney. They make unkind remarks about the M25 and Dartford.
As a Sussex neighbour, I view all this with condescending detachment. But at the back of my mind lies the consciousness that it needs only the stroke of a bureaucratic pen for us, too, to be relegated to the Covid third division, probably provoked by alleged misdemeanours in Brighton or Crawley.
Talent spotting
To promote anti-Covid vaccination, the Government is looking for “sensible celebrities”. Isn’t that a contradiction in terms?
This BTL comment caught my eye:
Pip Squeak
1 Dec 2020 7:37AM
Free speech is sacrosanct. End of. The woke, lefty Eton Headmaster must be sacked and the dismissal of the Master must be reversed. Every British institution has been infiltrated by Marxists and our woke, Conservative Government does nothing. Where is Nigel Farage and his Reform Party? This country desperately needs you.
The National Trust’s focus on slavery and pro-BLM stance has totally misfired, with members leaving in droves. The eminent historian, Dr David Starkey, without question, must be on the expert panel advising the National Trust, otherwise it will be a whitewash.
Hear, hear.
Saw something on the news earlier that stated that government assessments have predicted that the lockdowns are going to severely harm the travel, aviation, tourist, retail shopping, hospitality, motor, sport and leisure industries.
Isn’t that the outcome the climate scientists, Attenborough, Greta and the Greens wanted all along?
Strange coincidence that.
But at least the Great Reset is just a tin foil hat conspiracy theory, we can all agree on that.
Something’s got to mitigate all those trees that Jair Bolsonaro is cutting down.
Low blood pressure? No problem!
From the DT:
A Jamaican convicted criminal who successfully fought his deportation after being released from prison has been charged with murder.
The man was due to be deported in February after serving a six-year jail sentence for possessing a gun, ammunition and drugs. However, it is understood he claimed his deportation was a breach of his rights and he was removed from a flight to Jamaica.
Within eight months, he was charged with the murder of a young man, attempted murder and the possession of a banned weapon.
The disclosure came as the Home Office on Monday faced demands from the Labour Party in the Commons and from campaigners to halt a deportation flight to Jamaica on Wednesday of up to 50 foreign criminals released from jail.
It is likely to inflame the row over “activist lawyers” – lawyers that Boris Johnson, the Prime Minister, and Priti Patel, the Home Secretary, claim are thwarting efforts to deport and remove foreign criminals and failed asylum seekers with spurious last-minute appeals.
Chris Philp, the minister for immigration compliance and the courts, told MPs the 50 Jamaican criminals’ offences include murder, rape, manslaughter, drug dealing, child sexual abuse, grievous bodily harm and firearms possession.
He said they posed a danger to the public, having spent a total of 228 years in jail plus one with a life sentence, and that their deportation was vital to protect the public, adding: “These are serious offences which have a real and lasting impact on the victims and on communities. This flight is about criminality, not nationality.”
As Conservative MPs called for “activist lawyers” to be prevented from stopping flights at the last minute, Mr Philp revealed that one murderer jailed for life had already successfully mounted a late legal challenge to avoid deportation on Wednesday.
It is understood a drug dealer has also appealed against his deportation amid fears within the Home Office that the number to be deported could be substantially reduced by similar last-minute legal challenges.
Mr Philp said: “We do find that there are last-minute claims made often immediately before removal or deportation, often 24 hours in advance – even though there has been plenty of opportunity previously – apparently with the expressed intention of frustrating the process.
“There is also opportunity for people to raise repeated claims, in sequence, sometimes over a period of many years, in a manner that would appear to me to be potentially vexatious. That is something I think the Government does need to act to sort out, and we do intend to legislate next year to close precisely these problematic areas.”
The deportation flight has already drawn criticism from 82 black public figures including model, actress and businesswoman Naomi Campbell, historian David Olusoga and actors Naomie Harris and Thandie Newton, who have written to airlines urging them not to carry the Jamaicans the Home Office wants to deport.
A similar flight to Jamaica earlier this year to deport 50 criminals including a killer, two rapists and seven violent criminals was halted at the 11th hour following an emergency ruling by the Court of Appeal.
Holly Lynch, the shadow minister of state for immigration, said the Labour Party had “no faith” that the Government had “done its due diligence” on the people it was seeking to deport to ensure it was justified, lawful and not a further chapter in the Windrush scandal.
“Of course, we recognise that those who engage in violent and criminal acts must face justice, but we also hear that at least one person on that flight has a Windrush generation grandfather,” she said.
“Another whose great aunt was on the HMT Windrush, another whose grandfather fought in the Second World War for Britain. It’s clear that we have not yet established just how far the consequences of the Windrush injustice extend.”
The Windrush scandal began to surface in 2017 after it emerged that hundreds of Commonwealth citizens, many of whom were from the “Windrush generation” – people who arrived in the UK from Caribbean countries between 1948 and 1973 – had been wrongly detained, deported and denied legal rights.
Mr Philp said each case had been individually checked and “not a single person is eligible for Windrush compensation”.
Nice little earner being a lawyer.
Kneel Starmer is a millionaire.
Of course, he earned it through natural talent (like a shark naturally exercises its two rows of teeth).
Chris Philp, the minister for immigration compliance and the courts, told MPs the 50 Jamaican criminals’ offences include murder, rape, manslaughter, drug dealing, child sexual abuse, grievous bodily harm and firearms possession.
They are being recruited here:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAzvU_kuIFc
They should stick to cigareets and whiskey and wild wild women.
That reminds me of a funny line in the western film, Waterhole #3, starring James Coburn.
Coburn has seduced a young teenage girl in a barn and is caught in the act by her father, the sheriff, who angrily points a rifle at Coburn.
“I’m arresting you for rape!”
“Rape? This is not rape. She seduced me!”
“She is under 21, that’s statutory rape.”
“Hold on there a minute, I would not go so far as to call it rape. It’s more like assault with a friendly weapon.”
If Olusoga is against it, it must be good! I don’t care how many Grannies they had on the Windrush – if they have a history of violent crime, they get deported.
Edit – that’s deport the criminals, not the grannies, although …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_OIs49m56E
The people being deported are convicted criminals.
What is it about the current Labour Party, human ‘rights’ lawyers and left wing meddlers such as Amnesty International, that they support such criminals but never seem to have anything to say about the victims?
With people like them around, no wonder the country is on a downward slope!
If he is found guilty again, then deport everyone who was involved in getting him off the flight, or perhaps kill a member of their family so that they can feel the justice that the family of his victim felt.
IMO Iran will wait for Biden. SST. 1 December 2020.
A journo friend called yesterday to ask my opinion about the course of near term events regarding Iran.
The murder of a senior Iranian scientist at the weekend may have been done by Israel or the United States or both in cooperation. He may or may not have been the “father” of an actual Iranian MILITARY nuclear program as opposed to a CIVILIAN electric power focused program.
In the 2007 NIE on Iran the USIC would not commit publicly to the existence of such a military program and they never have since. The theory of the case then was that Khamenei ordered an end to an experimental military program after the occupation of Iraq by the US and the destruction of the Iraqi government. Khamenei published a fatwa stating that such a program was an evil thing and was no longer needed as a deterrent against Iraq.
The subsequent US/Israeli focus on a putative Iranian nuclear weapons program was IMO an artifact of the Israeli/Cheney/Ziocon fascination with their 1% theory of strategy. Stated simply, this is the concept that if anything can possibly threaten you, even at a 1% level of probability, then you should seek to crush it.
On that basis the Israelis have long wanted Iran crushed. They have lacked the means to do it themselves unless they want to use the nuclear weapons they pretend not to have. They evidently do not want to do that and so their long yearned for solution is that the stupid but strong Americans do it for them with perhaps a minor supporting role for themselves just so that they can claim afterward that they did all the hard bits.
In that context the death of the Iranian savant is easy to see as a provocation intended to bring on an Iranian attack which could be used to goad Trump into a grand finale effort against Iran.
The USS Nimitz Battle Group is in the area with all its wondrous planes and missile shooting ships. The US has been moving JDAM shooting B-52s into the region for a week. Things like the B-2 bomber and B-1B are on call from far away. Someone has been setting the stage for …? Who knows? I doubt that it is Trump. He has shown himself to be long on talk, and short on actual shooting.
Are the Iranians dumb enough to take the bait? I doubt it. All they have to do is wait for Joe, Blinken et al to take over and they are likely to get something very like JCPOA. Pat Lang.
In light of the fact that a drone strike earlier today killed another Iranian official Colonel Lang’s analysis that Israel is trying to precipitate a war in the last days of Trump’s presidency seems to be correct. The outcome of wars by their very nature is always doubtful and the West’s record in the Middle East is dismal even by this standard. Should it occur it would almost certainly plunge the world into an even worse condition that it is now and destroy the Biden presidency before it even gets off the ground!
https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2020/11/imo-iran-will-wait-for-biden.html
Littlejohn on good form today:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9003377/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Pay-fine-directly-bankrupt-Welcome-Monopoly-Covid-Edition.html
And the best BTL at the moment is “This did make me laugh out loud. The least funny thing is that it is all true“
Yes, no wonder it is also the leading comment!
‘Morning, SB.
And the best BTL at the moment is “This did make me laugh out loud. The least funny thing is that it is all true“
“The pub with no beer” – all sad but true.
Arcadia has gone into administration and has left a £350million pension deficit for its employees.
What’s the problem? Its robber-baron owner, Cur Phil Slime-Green, is a billionaire, courtesy of paying his staff starvation wages for decades. Simply sequestrate his ill-gotten fortune to fund that pension deficit. How difficult can that be?
Laffer rules dictate that his yacht does not make port in Britain until the threat to confiscate it has been removed.
His fortune in in his wife’s name, I believe. But I’d like to see him returned to the gutter where he belongs.
So is the Duke of Sussex’s. I expect she’ll spit him out as soon as she gets the right lawyer.
If his fortune is in his wife’s name then she is complicit in his usury. Clap them both in irons and redistribute their “wealth”.
Robin Hood never had a problem with that.
Morning harry, his wife certainly got the £1.3 billion dividend a few years back – she should cough up for the pension fund
Dream on, Alec! And greetings from a cold damp place.
Tina: There Is No Alternative. Other than to trash the pensions of low paid employees.
‘Morning, Grizz.
The Management, who answers to ‘Mrs HJ’ has just commented that absolutely no one has a good word to say about Slime-Greed. I have had to gently explain to her that it’s because he is one of life’s outstanding shitbags. I can see that this is yet another failure to add to my charge-sheet, which was started some 43 years ago. Where did I go wrong?
👏🏻All too true, Hugh. Good afternoon.
325040+ up ticks,
Morning Each,
That bloody far right racist is at it again, fancy giving an alledged paedophile a bloody nose when he should really have waited for an act to take place as in rotherham
( 16 year ongoing).
Prototype re-set justice in the making.
https://youtu.be/8EcQNIQypKM
I am not sure I feel a kindred spirit with this Irish bovver boy, even if I do agree with him about Islamists.
I have myself had “paedophile” suggestions made against me quite without foundation (as an easy means for a woman to discard an unwanted husband and father in favour of someone more adequate). The “paedophile” slur (along with “racism”, “misogyny”, “homophobia”, “antisemitism” and so on) has been used as an easy way to get round Habeas Corpus and let loose the sort of thuggery I have no time for, regardless of the identity of whoever is doing it.
327040+ up ticks,
Jm,
You make him seem guilty of coming from an Irish line.
The peoples should IMO have trust in their courts & policing system but that trust is rapidly fading.
Actually I was playing on the old stereotype of Irishmen loving a good scrap, and is cultural rather than implying guilt. That sort of fighting spirit dates back to Caractacus and Boedicca, before the ancient Britons were chased out of the big island by the ordered Saxons and mannered Normans with their Viking heritage.
One of my favourite choral pieces is ‘Phaudrig Crohoore’ by Charles William Stanford, which is about a big lad who thumps the bridegroom and runs off with the bride at a drunken Irish wedding. It can only be sung in an Irish brogue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS2hgT6Vfv0
I have no particular affection for Tommy Robinson but I am impressed by his determination to stand up for his beliefs. As I said yesterday:
The treatment Tommy Robinson has received from the police, the courts, the media and the politicians is a disgrace which makes me feel ashamed to be British.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/44e2962d385d96f2a1f0e2a9d3390418527038a7b0aa0a42b3d03ecd06e7f77b.jpg
Reposted from midnight yesterday:
Tuesday 1st December 2020
Sean Stanley-Adams
Congratulations
Have a splendid birthday and Many Happy Returns
Rastus and Caroline
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCTunqv1Xt4
All these youngsters…!
Seems old to me
Stop boasting.
Tell me abaht it.
Grattis på födelsedagen, Sean. Have a good ‘un.🥃👍🏻
Happy Birthday Sean.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/36b5c80ec9a95e4010fd590b0933ee9175c6614a540c0718da799ad5ad192e8b.png Yup! The souther you get: the weepier you become. 🤣
Maybe, George, because it’s so cold up North, it freezes the lips whilst hardening the heart.
I prefer to keep my problems and worries private. I’ve never sought counselling.
I had a session once after an illness. I can’t say it was a great deal of help.
None of us gets to this age without a few life-changing experiences. Bereavement, betrayal, cancer, divorce…….to name but a few. we deal with it as best we can.
What cobras. I’m a soft southerner and all my counselling is done at the pub.
That’s why my brother moved down there and bought a house outside Truro. To get proper counselling over a decent pint or four.
From the Telegraph –
“Ethnic minorities to be prioritised for rapid Covid testing after lockdown”
Looks like the BLACK Lives Matter lot, have some say in political circles ?
let them have the vaccination first.
Unless the vaccination is for something they haven’t released yet
Look upon it as the first mass testing of the vaccines…
‘Morning, Stu.
‘Morning –
Now, that is a good idea . . . .
Just wondering if all this testing is so they can examine our DNA and determine what people that want to live and what people they want to perish so as to select the appropriate vaccination.
327040+ up ticks,
Morning B3,
You mean, sort of like, left work, right shower ?
The testing is a sham. The PCR test is so sensitive as to require laboratory conditions and highly trained laboratory technicians. The way it has been organised with Dido Harding as its front is as shambolic as her reign at Talk Talk.
Untrained persons employed by Serco bossing people around in tents placed in car parks is proof that the testing regime is a con. There will be cross contamination of test swabs in handling and transportation. In addition the laboratories set up to process the tests will not have the necessary protocols or trained staff to function effectively.
The Portuguese courts recently pronounced the PCR test to be unreliable in a case brought by Germans who had been unnecessarily quarantined when one of their group tested ‘positive’.
Leading clinical immunologists have pointed out the propensity of PCR as applied by this government to be worthless and giving almost 100% false positives.
Did you read yesterday’s article by Dr Michael Yeadon, published in Lockdown Sceptics? He knows what he writes about.
No but Dr Yeadon was into this issue months ago. I will take a look.
One of the problems we know is that when politicians with no scientific background take charge they are always led by those who shout the loudest. In this instance the Covid response appears to have been based not on scientific questioning and evaluation of the threat but on the presumption that the virus will only be ‘defeated’ by a vaccination programme.
Having bought Bill Gates’ vaccines the government are now pressing ahead on the basis that the vaccines will be effective despite no evidence on a large sample over the normal duration of five years. Worse still the vaccines will be visited on the rest of the world, a truly frightening prospect.
I would add only that any drug company given indemnity from prosecution by government should things go awry will not be too careful about what they are selling.
Here’s the link. A long read but very clearly written.
https://lockdownsceptics.org/the-pcr-false-positive-pseudo-epidemic/
Thank you N.
A watery sun has appeared. About time, and all.
G & P have discovered a very comfortable chair in one of the bedrooms….
Which they will shred, when you’re not looking.
These cats are trained. They don’t do that. It is a hard slog getting them to conform – but it works. I have had five cats in my time, and all were taught to behave properly.
Wait till they climb up things when they are full-grown and heavy. Especially trouser legs and bare legs.
I don’t want to seem smug (or smugger than usual) but in all my cat years, I have never had that problem.
Even lovely teenager Lily uses the back of the chair to enter it, rather than the cushion side.
Tut tut – needs a firm word…!
She just looks…… she’s got us trained.
We have sunshine today – first time for a week.
Lovely sunny day here at “the Old Mid Herts”. As El Tel (Wogan) use to call it. I might see if i can get as far as walking across the gold course with doggo today. Middle son and his wife in a bit of a state she works for Top Shop,…… he works as a director of a public services/facilities management company both jobs under threat. No sunshine for them………..Hard Times.
Be sure you DON’T carry a goff (sic) club – otherwise you’ll be gaoled for life.
Did you see Maggie Belle’s post this morning ? 😉
Good to see you back here, Eddy.
I hope the administrators can find buyers for some of the Arcadia businesses.
I’ll endorse that, J. Welcome back, Eddy. Nil illegitimae carborundum.
Are you ready for a holiday?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgya4ZCMaXw
Good morning, Alf.
That is very funny!
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I rarely have to sign in but it is a pain when it happens.
‘Afternoon, J, I have heard that if you take your time ticking the ‘captcha’ box, the system decides that you’re NOT a robot, otherwise you would have immediately ticked the box.
I have taken my time for several weeks now and haven’t once had to identify bridges, hills, taxis etc.
So Funny and at the same time with the emphasis of how stupid that nonsense is.
Still better than Vuukle, which autocensors – ar least on Order-order (Guido Fawkes) which removed Disqus and now doesn’t have access to old posts, rather like the Daily Telegraph’s in-house system. Essentially it encourages trolling, as long as you don’t use certain verboten words and phrases, as well as string more than a couple of sentences together. Twitter-lite?
I don’t go there now, as they want you to register and also turn off ad-block.
Luckily the ad-block stuff seems to have gone by the wayside, so mine still works fine. The autocensor of Vuukle is a right pain, especially as many posts regularly get ‘moderated’ – which is codespeak for ‘never looked at but deleted’. Order-Order is now going rather ‘mainstream’ in raguing over petty things – politicking – and not getting to the crux of discussing the problems and solutions.
The political Right are very good at moaning, less so at discussing HOW to solve problems and volunteering to stick their heads above the proverbial parapet and actively do something. They value their personal lives and income from their day jobs too much to risk anything to better society.
This is because the solutions are simple and do not require discussion.
A better society comes *from* not interfereing with the lives of others and looking after yourself.
The more individual liberty people have, the more agency and the less control exercised over them the less has to be done.
I *am* a robot though. No one’s noticed so far.
I notice that the Captcha pictures are American based e.g. crosswalks, fire hydrants etc. I think we need a British version: “Tick all boxes with a Hoodie/Kebab shop/stabbing etc.
understand where you’re coming from. I’ve just spent 3 hours being bounced between Microsoft Office and Windows senior technicians [read village idiots] and can assure you, if British images replaced the septic ones, based on the exchanges I’ve had this PM, they’ll think the world’s flat and Kim Yong UN’s their President. They are as thick as mince although a good captcha image is the heli leaving the US Embassy in Saigon. Now where’s that fire hydrant?
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Britain’s Libyan Islamist problem. Spiked.1 December 2020.
The core essence of state-supported multiculturalism – promoting cultural difference over social cohesion and prioritising minority rights over collective responsibilities – has not served Britain well. To support its efforts to create a more socially trusting and democratically stable society, the UK government needs a security-oriented immigration and asylum framework which better prioritises collective British safety.
The threat posed by British Libyan Islamists shows how much work there is to be done.
Morning everyone. Not something that you are going to be seeing in the MSM soon methinks. Worth reading for the detailed breakdown of the UK centres of jihadism alone.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/12/01/britains-libyan-islamist-problem/
A bit like putting up the ‘Closed’ sign outside the china shop to deter customers after letting in a herd of bulls to do what bulls do.
The sneeze
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fperfectdaytoplay.com%2Ftravel-meme-covid%2F&psig=AOvVaw2UwtapANY3AAApuaXxbTyx&ust=1606907058974000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCKjEtbrRrO0CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAI
327040+ up ticks,
I wonder if those supporting mass uncontrolled immigration
parties can see a pattern, consequence of their support ?
https://twitter.com/GerardBattenUK/status/1333722065468329984
Oh, I don’t know – some are black, some brown, and one or two a little lighter…..
No one from Rotherham?
327040+ up ticks,
Afternoon S,
They have a thicker umbrella that deflects the arrows of truth & decency.
Is Mr Batten suggesting that non Muslims should be encouraged to rape white girls? Is the state going to encourage that by having the police not arrest such criminals, as they did with the Muslim rapist paedophiles?
All sarcasm aside, until the issue of Muslim paedophilia is publicly acknowledged and openly discussed and stopped, permanently the state sends a message that this behaviour is acceptable.
327040+ up ticks,
Afternoon W,
I believe the JAY report revealed what was going on in no uncertain manner, did NOT alter the voting pattern one iota.
Don’t disturb the police while they’re heaving Granny into the paddy wagon.
Paddy wagon, Anne? Tchh! It’s “Vehicular Detention Facility”.
It was a Black Maria once upon a time. Appropriately named for our current age.
Un panier à salade in French. Heaven knows why!
Healthy tans all round.
I didn’t realise Newcastle and Halifax were so sunni.
327040+ up ticks,
Afternoon Anne,
AKA Newcastle Brown.
I hope Covid deals with them , or some other nasty scourge!
Good afternoon Maggiebelle
I enjoyed the song you posted earlier of ‘I Enjoy Being a Girl’ .
The feminists would want to ban it nowadays as they would want to ban this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZwD45tOnaY
327040+ up ticks,
The USA computerised voting apparatus issue has, via US
judge Timothy Batten on reflection said, they are to be held intact for future evidence of alledged wrong doing.
A cross ocean Batten types framework to hold patriotic democracy together would greatly benefit both Nations.
‘Morning All
Sigh……………….
https://twitter.com/EssexPR/status/1333549578340151296
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Because all the people with it died – but what is ten million dead to yer Chinese?
30 million died in The Great Leap Forward:1958 – 1962.
Some sources claim as high as 55 million.
By Chinese standards a minor dose of seasonal flu (oops).
You can’t believe anything coming from China.
SIR – Several years ago I did the same as Procter Hutchinson (Letters, November 28) and established with an in-line meter the daily electricity demand of all the appliances in our house. This knowledge had virtually no effect on our behaviour but provided reassurance that we didn’t have any very wasteful appliances.
The real purpose of smart meters is to enable utilities companies to vary prices according to the time of day and peaks and troughs of demand. I won’t have one until I see positive reports from Telegraph readers.
David Dunbar
Broadway, Gloucestershire
I would say that there are no wasteful appliances, only wasteful users…
SIR – The most appalling part of electric-vehicle production (Letters, November 29) is the mining of cobalt, much of which happens in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
Owners of these cars might be interested to know that most of the cobalt mining in the Democratic Republic of the Congo is carried out by children aged between 10 and 15. It is estimated that at least 10,000 children work in the mines – not bad for a country where underage mining is supposed to be illegal.
Many of these children earn less than £5 per week – all to make Western car owners feel virtuous for not using fossil fuels.
John Hamilton
Rhyl, Denbighshire
Very well said, John Hamilton! Just another aspect to consider in this ruinous plan.
SIR – Stephen Clough (Letters, November 20) asks if electric cars will be modifiable to allow for wheelchair access. I can assure him that the wheelchair-accessible vehicles industry in the UK is a world leader in setting standards, with both the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders and the Department for Transport aware of the importance of providing mobility for disabled wheelchair-users.
In 2013 our company developed, tested and type-approved a Nissan wheelchair-accessible electric vehicle, which is marketed throughout the UK and Europe.
Rod Brotherwood
Brotherwood Automobility Ltd
Sherborne, Dorset
A British success story – and you can’t often say that. I visited Brotherwood on business a couple of times about 12 years ago, and their innovation was impressive. They deserve a positive mention on the Letters page.
When school pupils are obliged to study Black History for GCSE let us hope they will be asked to examine the role of the black slave traders who continued to sell their own people into slavery long after Wilberforce had stamped out the trade in Britain.
I hope they will also examine the slave trade still practised by black people in the Republic of Congo where black child slave labour is being used to mine cobalt for the batteries used to power electric cars.
On the other hand these children in the cobalt mines are helping their families to eat.
We make a mistake if we think that people in the Stone Age can be lifted into the First World in a single generation. It took us 50 generations.
Comparing family income in London with family income in Kinshasa is not helpful. Context is everything.
Gender reassignment: High Court rules on puberty blockers for under-16s
Children under 16 with gender
dysphoria are unlikely to be able to give informed consent to undergo
treatment with puberty-blocking drugs, three High Court judges have
ruled.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-55144148
Well, there is some sanity in the world. I’m qquite surprised actually. This is the sort of woke nonsense the hard Left would be trying to force in through law.
They will certainly try again
We believe very strongly that every young person has the right to make their own decisions about their body…”
No, they don’t. That’s because children are not old enough to make life-changing decisions. Parents have that responsibility.
It is certainly an area where age of consent at 16 is a nonsense.
Their position rests on the assumption that there is an innate condition of “being born in the wrong body”. They talk of “brain zones” as a fixed position so given the opportunity, I asked an Oxford professor of Experimental Psychology a simple question. “Is the human brain hard wired”? She gave a simple answer. “No”.
Three words beginning with no and ending with Sherlock
Oi Laffed
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If i could do those I would say – Look a Meteor
– Never mind that what about a no deal Brexit?
I keep asking what fishing rights, state support and ‘level playing fields’ have to do with an FTA, and never get an answer.
It’s all part of the EU’s plan to punish us for our effrontery in voting to be free of their yoke.
Good morning, everyone.
Good Morning Delboy
327040+ up ticks,
This looks highly like a counterfeit vaccine passport where did you get it, asked with raised truncheon ?
Reply,
from a masked man.
Another form of Blackmail deployed by the overseers.
breitbart,
UK Minister: You Might Be Banned from Venues Without Vaccine Passport
Then the venues deserve to go bust.
If they haven’t already done so. Will there be any left?
Surely the simplest way is to work it into the storylines of Corrie, East Enders and the Archers, and the take-up would be at least 80%?
Eugenics at its finest. Then we could dispense with all three soaps.
Eugenics at its finest. Then we could dispense with all three soaps.
On the subject of celebrity endorsement, I just posted this on TCW:
I remember the fuss over the MMR vaccine and Tony Blair’s youngest son, who was an infant at the time. The public demanded to know if he had been given the vaccine on the flimsy assumption that if it’s good enough for the Blairs, then it’s good enough for us.
At that time, it was very rare for the PM of the day to have a small child, so I had to ask myself: how do these parents usually make decisions about any medical treatment for their children in the absence of prime ministerial endorsement?
The subject was being discussed by a panel on Radio Five Live. Shockingly, one female panelist said it was important for the public to know; “What if Kathryn [Blair] wants to go on the pill?”
Is this what it’s come down to? Discussing the future contraceptive needs of an identified adolescent so publicly? What is wrong with these people that they need celebrity endorsements to help them make grown-up decisions?
Opposition leader William Hague, when asked for his views, replied, quite rightly, that it was a “…a matter for Mr and Mrs Blair.”
“I’m a Celebrity – Get me On the Air”
But you were, Uncle Bill!
:-D)
Ho, ho! About 15 years ago, in France, we visited an English couple. The MR had taught with the wife many years before. The bloke said to me, “You used to be famous once.” Summed it up perfectly. Now most of the “fans” are in their dotage or dead. No one under 40 knows who Jimmy Young was! Let alone the L Beagle…!
I didn’t know who he was either. I thought the programme was called the Jay Wise Show.
“Legal Beagle”.
Not So Good Moaning.
Decisions, decisions.
Do I start the day by giving my printer a good slap? Or do I firstly inflict serious GBH on my froth filled washing machine?
Sod it: I’ll have another coffee while I ponder on my priorities.
Well, clearly, a full risk assessment (FRA) on both courses of action is a pre-requisite before you can do anything, and coffee will probably assist you in this task (although, obviously, some caution is required to ensure that said coffee is at the optimum temperature before attempting to drink it in order to avoid the inherent scald risk in the activity).
Once the FRAs have been completed, and assuming they reveal a similar level of risk inherent in each activity, then an executive decision to determine relative priorities is required. This is an outcomes-based activity, and is determined largely by your own priorities. Is a sheet of printed paper more important to you than a clean sheet?
Once those priorities have been determined we can move on to the main activity of the exercise – determining how either (or both) activities comply with current (ie today’s) Covid Compliance Regulations (CCR’s). You will find further guidance on compliance with CCRs in the next section…
…and do not forget to run a FMEA (Failure Mode Effect Analysis, or, as I always remember it – F***ing Mucking Everyone About) in order to select the least worst outcome.
At this rate, I’ll take the blasted towels down to the river and beat them on a stone.
Beat them with the remains of the printer.
Beat them with the remains of your forehead.
Clucking Bell. That’s whole pot of coffee job!
Bloody Hell!
That reads as if it were real advice not satire!
I used to read a lot of that stuff as I rose to senior positions in the company. It culminated in voluntary early retirement.
Bullshit Bingo!
Put printer in washing machine, switch on and feel the karma.
🙂
I’ve a 14lb sledge hammer you can borrow…..
Wot? No explosives?
Do I start the day by giving my printer a good slap?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Eydw648Z4
That’s in front of the lean to/car port cleared of a mixture of soggy leaves, sodden sawdust from the chainsaw and road muck and, because the mixture, all 2 to 2½cwt of it, looks as if it will produce decent compost, taken up the garden and dumped in a 1 ton builders bag together with some rather fat worms I discovered whilst shoveling it up.
As the sun dipped below the valley tops over 1½h ago, that’s me for the day! The temperature is already dropping fast!
Fear not, Robert – only three weeks and the days begin – oh so slowly – to lengthen.
Well after being -1½°C when I, rather belatedly, got out of bed, it struggled to reach the tropical realms of 1½° and has already slumped well below 1°.
It has, however, been a beautiful clear and almost windless day up here.
Good morning. A cold but bright & dry morning up here so far.
-1½°C on the yard thermometer.
No comments allowed on the Celia Walden article I see:-
Morning Bob
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjWn-ueeeLw
I can remember, as a young teenager, disliking the changes taking place in my body, and wishing I was a boy. That phase didn’t last long, and then I wished for a better, more feminine body than I had. I ended up with what I got.
I also remember one of my sons playing with dolls as a little boy. These phases are all part of growing up.
I hope the courts make a wise decision in this case – Bell clearly regrets that she was persuaded to take this treatment and was too young to realise the implications. It should be illegal to pander to these passing phases, or for parents to encourage any child to “transition”. They are what they are and no amount of surgery or hormone treatment will change a person’s genetic make-up.
Adults like David/Diana Thomas can make up their own minds. Though I quite enjoy her/his articles in the DT magazine, I still think she’s deluded.
The issue I have with this post is that one is not a “child” one second before its 18th birthday, and immediately an “adult” with all the rights, responsibilities and presumptions one second later. I refuse to consider a minor over the age of puberty a “child”, but rather a young person transitioning from one state to the other. This process in humans takes years, not seconds, and varies greatly from one to another.
I was bullied at school because my voice didn’t break until I was nearly 16. The teachers used to call me “pathetic little runt” in front of my classmates. “Conceited little darling” was another, and “Fairy Morfey can dance out” another. They loved it that I didn’t conform to the norm.
I have to say that while majority is at 18, one can drive at 17, get married and start a family at 16, and be convicted of a criminal offence at 10. Teenagers must develop their own independence, and often pride themselves in being more capable of making life-changing decisions than they are. But they are not children; they must have the freedom to make mistakes and to learn from them. A guardian’s role is primarily to make sure these mistakes do no serious or lasting harm. It seems that those with a duty of care over her were so wrapped up in their own doctrine that they neglected their primary responsibility.
It may well be that, at 16, she was simply conforming to what her peers were expecting of her, and what modern social studies graduates in the teaching profession expect of “tomboys”, since gender is a social construct these days, rather than a biological one. Teachers can get the sack for suggesting otherwise.
It’s very sad isn’t it that some people have been so caught up with these kind of agendas where they are willing to encourage young people to have such life changing procedures. I suppose it could be called a first world problem. It’s awful. I’m absolutely sure that the idea of changing gender is foisted on any children below the age of puberty, especially a three year old. Dreadful.
A form of Munchausen syndrome by proxy. “(MSBP) is a mental health problem in which a caregiver makes up or causes an illness or injury in a person under his or her care, such as a child, an elderly adult, or a person who has a disability. Because vulnerable people are the victims, MSBP is a form of child abuse or elder abuse.” I suspect though, in these cases, it would never be allowed to be seen as such.
Good morning, vw.
MSBP – I’ve made this observation myself. I note that the fathers of these children are rarely available for comment.
Good morning Pmum. It’s definitely abuse. Unfortunately our laws are not very consistent when it comes to age, as Jeremy says above. However as yet there is no law against stupidity and encouraging any child to go through gender Re-assignment comes under medical experimentation in my view. And really that’s a lot of what medicine is about. I know that is how “progress” is made in that field but this poor girl even had a double mastectomy at the age of 20. Was she still unaware of the implications? It’s something we will never know. So she is able to have children but maybe looks and sounds like a man. God help her.
In today’s paper –
“Primary care leaders have indicated that some surgeries may refuse to sign up to the Covid Vaccination programme unless health chiefs promise more money and to pay the extra costs of delivering the jabs up front.”
“Now – where did I read about a Hippoocratic Oath or something ?”
Give Smellchocker a smack.
Sorry about that – in my haste forgot to check “c’s” and “p’s”
Job done –
Got any Os?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozpek_FrOPs
I think these days it’s Hypocritic Oath??
“Hippoocratic Oath” Got any Os?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozpek_FrOPs
I think these days it’s Hypocritic Oath??
And there was this late comer wondering what Diane Abbott had to do with the vaccination program.
Good moaning all.
I thought I read GPs were to be paid £12.58 for each vaccine delivered? They are already treated differently to others tax wise – they work mainly for the NHS and yet are supposedly self employed. It just shows their greed.
Yes – that’s the figure I read, as well. Though they won’t be doing quite so many if the untrained volunteers will be doing quite a few of them.
And it won’t be a GP administering the dose it will be a HCA or Nurse.
But the practice nurses are paid by the GP. I’ve no complaints on that score – the nurses at our surgery are very skilled and experienced.
I agree. They are the most skilled. Wouldn’t be happy with a little prick from a doctor. {:-))
Doctors themselves wouldn’t be doing the jabs, the nurses/health care assistants et al will be. Plus anybody else the government can think of willing to jab someone in the arm.
That’s the least of our worries – I’d be far more concerned with the following:
1. That the pharmacutical companies asked and got the government to agree to indemnifying them for the conseuqnces of ANY side effects of the various vaccines that will be used.
If their products were safe, don’t you think the companies OWN professional indemnity insurance would cover it? It doesn’t because they are releasing their products YEARS before the normal, more rigorous testing would have been completed.
2. That whiolst ministers are saying that the vaccine won’t be manditory, they already are heavily pressurising companies from the travel, hospitality and entertainment sectors to effectively make having the vaccine a condition for most aspects of life other than buying food and other essentials.
No vaccine, no travel, holidays, going to sporting or cultural events, eating at a restaurant or drinking in the pub (whatever Gove may say). But its not manditory – they just privatised that function, as Quantas already has shown.
Ye name’s not down, ye not comin’ in. Or as someone here suggested to me yesterday, maybe those of us who decline the vaccine (at least for a good few years) will be given yellow stars to wear whilst out in public.
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In addition, has anyone in the MSM questioned the authorities about the reliability of the PCR tests or why the firms pushing for greater lockdowns (often via their internal or external mouthpieces via the MSM or social media) like, IMHO Amazon, facebook, Microsoft and Google are the very firms making the most proifts from the pandemic and squashing the majority of tehir competition (permanently) in the process, gaining vast amounts of power and wealth in the process.
Does this mean our local GP surgery will re-open?
Just back from three miles on the bike. Nice sunny afternoon, though chillier than of late. But the sun makes ALL the difference, doesn’t it?
Great excitement in Goatland. One had got out of the pen with the electric fence – but, instead of making off for liberty – was standing the wrong side, bleating piteously!
BTW, this morning, the local branch of The Arts Society (an organisation which I highly recommend, especially if you live alone) had an online coffee morning – with an excellent talk by one of the members comparing and contrasting Vermeer’s “The Little Street” with Pieter de Hooch’s “Courtyard of a House in Delft”.
Fascinating. Although I have known those painting for many, many years – and seen them in their respective galleries – there is always something new to learn.
Typical Johnny Foreigner:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/01/naked-mep-leapt-window-belgian-police-broke-orgy-breaking-coronavirus/
“Naked MEP leapt from window as Belgian police raid orgy for breaking coronavirus rules
EU diplomats were also arrested at the ‘gang bang’ held just metres from a city centre police station, it was reported
1 December 2020 • 2:11pm
Brussels police patrol the streets to enforce the coronavirus curfew
Brussels police patrol the streets to enforce the coronavirus curfew Credit: AFP
A naked MEP tried to escape through a window after police broke up a 25-strong sex party in Brussels’ city centre for breaking coronavirus rules.
The unnamed MEP reportedly injured himself jumping out of the first floor of a flat above a bar, where the orgy was being held.
He was promptly arrested by police but brandished his European Parliament badge and claimed immunity. EU rules don’t confer immunity when a MEP is caught in the act of committing an offence.
Belgian media reported police sources as claiming there were also a number of EU diplomats at the sex party, which was on Friday night and just a few metres from a city centre police station and the city’s iconic Grand Place.
“We interrupted a gang bang!” one source told local media and confirmed the Belgian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Mayor of Brussels were called.
Police fined the 25 people, who were mostly men, at the orgy £225 pounds each before releasing them. They broke rules limiting gatherings of people to four.
Belgium only allows single people two “cuddle contacts” under its coronavirus rules and insists on masks being worn when social distancing is impossible.
Brussels is under strict lockdown, including a 10pm curfew and a ban on the sale of alcohol after 8pm. Drink and drugs were found, it was reported but not confirmed.
“I can confirm that about twenty people were fined for failure to comply with health measures following an evening party organised on Friday evening on the first floor of a building in the centre of Brussels,” the Brussels’ prosecutors office said.
The news sparked feverish speculation in Brussels, the home of the major EU institutions, as to the MEP’s identity. At time of publication, that had still not been confirmed.
A European Parliament source said: “There is nothing wrong to participate on a sex party of any kind. However, such kind of meetings with many people are illegal under the coronavirus laws.
“The fact of being covered by parliamentary immunity does not exempt to obey the law.”
“Parliament doesn’t investigate private life of people. Again, if there was misconduct it is up to the relevant authorities to act,” the European Parliament’s chief spokesman said as he ruled out an inquiry.”
If the MEP was naked, where exactly did he have his European Parliament badge stowed??
Beat me to it!
Dangling about 4 inches below his navel?
Are they not chipped (or tattooed) to show that they are good Europeans…?
On a lanyard of course. Though what he hung it on remains a mystery.
No need to worry. He will be able to claim the fine back on his expenses.
Was he escaping because he was embarrassed to be caught flouting these absurd covid rules or because he was behaving like a complete degenerate?
Looks like dogging has moved indoors for the winter.
I’ll get me parka.
Green New Deal, quick preview (what happens if breakdown/accident in car lane?):
https://twitter.com/SocialM85897394/status/1333701954153963522?s=20
Next on the list will be EV only lanes.
Known as ZIL lanes 🙂
I have been worried for some time that Johnson’s cock up with Covid would mess up Brexit. Indeed I suggested that he should have delegated Covid 19 to somebody else so that he could concentrate on Brexit.
I hope I am wrong but I very much fear that if Boris is defeated in the current vote he will resign or be deposed immediately and that Brexit will be completely betrayed. The revolt could very well be a manipulation staged by the many Remainers still in the Conservative Party finally to destroy their detested Brexit.
Why on earth did Johnson not deselect all the Remainer MPs in the Conservative Party before the election and make a pact with the Brexit Party? Perhaps he was never committed to Brexit in the first place.
327040+ up ticks,
Morning R,
Because he is of the same ilk, and the brexit group a top up for the in name only,
name rustling tory lookalike party.
In point of fact the brexit group investors paid £25 as a threat if johnson does a wrong un, an in doing so stood down to allow him an 80 carte blanche ticket to ride.
The major broke the treachery cover revealing their true agenda, followed by
the wretch cameron / clegg / may the treacherous, the nine month delay confirmed their true intentions.
To believe there is a Tory party in parliament is to also believe in unicorns & dragons.
The future heading for the current lab/lib/con coalition can be clearly seen on reading the parliamentary canteen menu.
Even if he could de-selected all the remoaner Tory MPs – which he can’t – all that would’ve happened is that they would’ve formed a voting bloc outside the party as they did before the General Election, with no whip to enforce their loyalty.
As in the US with many states’ Republican Parties, the UK’s local Tory constituency parties are often very loyal to their MPs, whatever they do when in office.
Rarely do they de-select, and many don’t have the cojones to go through with it when the time is right – i.e. in the final weeks in the run-up to the deadline to submit names of prosepctive candidates for a General Election, giving the sitting MP little to no opportunity to do any mischief in parliament. My MP is one of the ‘Grieve 12’ and yet the constituency party has stood firmly behind him, despite the area having a majority for Brexit as well.
Too many politicians are attracted to power first and doing right by the public a distant second or third place (likely behind enriching themselves). Very few actual ‘honourable members’ in parliament, and even fewer with the brains and common sense to come up with decent solutions to the country’s problems.
A good constituency MP is one that works for the good of all his/her constituents of either party or none. That means that he works for what it often the majority of his/her constituents rather than just those who are members of his local party association. Local party active members include plenty who are realists and pragmatists; they recognise that an MP who had earned enough support to be elected cannot simply be an echo chamber for their partisan views. Constituency parties want to select someone who stands a chance of being elected/re-elected as an MP and will, sensibly, be reluctant to deselect one who does not give them the support that they would like on a partisan issue but enjoys support on a wide range of other issues. Constituency parties want MPs, not unsuccessful candidates.
Johnson’s commitment to Brexit in 2016 was decided almost on the toss of a coin when he decided which way to jump.
Not for Britain but for Boris Johnson.
I think your last sentence sums up the situation. I am sure he saw an opportunity and seized it without any firm conviction.
Two killed by car in pedestrian zone in German town, driver arrested. 1 December 2020.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2020/12/01/TELEMMGLPICT000245743025_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bq7cN0L8Ura0Bdvarobt0WjyHzqgYxKd6UVlZtV38aGgo.jpeg?imwidth=1240
Mayor Wolfram Leibe told the SWR broadcaster that in addition to the two dead, 15 people had suffered serious injuries.
“We have an amok driver in the city. We have two dead that we are certain of and up to 15 injured, some of them with the most severe injuries,” he told SWR.
Well it’s a pedestrian area so his foot didn’t slip off the brake. I shall forebear making any obvious guesses!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/01/several-injured-car-pedestrian-zone-german-town/
It’s all part of the tradition nowadays.
First day of Advent.
cf Berlin Christmas Market 2016.
Edited having found right year. Never thought it was four years ago….
cf Berlin Christmas Market 2016.
Edited having found right year. Never thought it was four years ago….
The first day of Advent is always a Sunday – 29th November this year.
Bless you, Father.
I didn’t sneeze…
He was looking for Alan’s Snack bar?
Well now, not for the first time, a market in “culturally enriched” Germany has been targeted in the run-up to Christmas – one of the two most important Christian religious festivals of the year. Muslim terrorists use the occasion to attack and murder innocent people as they go about their pre-Christmas shopping. It demonstrates the contempt these savages have for Christianity. They know that crowds will form and folk are generally more relaxed and off their guard.
Maybe some reciprocation is long overdue, “Eid” would be a good time. Where’s Brenton Tarrant when you need him?
Britain with an established church is constitutionally Christian.
That being the case should not Christians receive more preferential treatment under the law than those of other religions?
If not, why not?
Because (a) they always turn the other cheek; (b) the “leadership” has no interest in Christianity or Christians.
I think that believers in all religions (or none) should receive equal treatment under the law, provided they do no harm to their fellow-citizens. However, Islam’s not a true religion, it’s a nihilistic death-cult pursuing political and social world-domination.
The very existence of Islam is a threat to civilisation everywhere and we must fight it – “a degüello”. We have no choice, after all they were the ones who declared a “Holy War” so let’s give them one.
“Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.”
— Arnaud Amalric
Haven’t we done that a few times already? Now we are bussing them in.
Right enough, Phil, thanks to the fifth-column of traitors and the Muslims that have infiltrated every part of our governing system. It won’t be easy to rid ourselves of these barbarians – it may be already too late – but nonetheless we must fight.
If we’re at the point where civilisation falls, let’s go out with a bang – not a whimper.
We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats’ feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar
https://allpoetry.com/the-hollow-men
“That’s the way to do it!” Mr Punch.
It appears that the arrested man is 51 years old and a German national (which could of course mean almost anything).
Slightly outside the usual age for Norwegian Methodists taking driving lessons.
Converts are often the worst type of slammer.
Indeed, but that also applies to most cults.
What they are afraid to say is he is a naturalised migrant. Wait til they bomb the Tiergarten.
Not Tiers again…?
It’s certainly where I would place my bet.
A Methodist trying to find his church?
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This just in from the BBC – a car has attacked and killed at least four people in the city of Trier.
See below – three hours ago!
Tom’s point is that the attacker was a car.
Silly me. Always miss the bleeding obvious.
TTFN
Of course it was the car’s fault, given the likely driver was from the self-styled ‘religion of peace’!
https://twitter.com/HMS__Lion/status/1333819470629003265
Excellent!
https://order-order.com/2020/12/01/pro-temperance-welsh-first-minister-mark-drakeford-barred-from-100-pubs/#comments
Snap!!
Afternoon HJ
DTStory
Pablo Matera stripped of Argentina captaincy over racist tweets
The Argentina’s rugby captain made his ‘offensive’ remarks nine years ago.!
How selective we are with our indignation!
We can forgive today’s black slave traders for the slave trade they are still practising in the Congo’s cobalt mines – but we cannot forgive the British for the slave trade they stamped out 200 years ago though we can forgive the black slavers who continued the process
Make a start by stopping the spread of socialism.
https://nypost.com/2020/11/30/whole-foods-ceo-john-mackey-calls-socialism-trickle-up-poverty/
Being a Lefty is very complicated and requires significant amounts of doublethink and simply lying to yourself while pretending some things fundamental to your ideology do not exist.
It’s easier if your forebears were Oozlum Birds.
Never thought I’d be cheering a Corbyn……………..
RESIST,DEFY,DO NOT COMPLY
https://twitter.com/Piers_Corbyn/status/1333546787630616578
Stirring stuff!!
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1333778780280811520
2001 all over again. Just wait for the monkeys…
It’s the Edstone ! 🙂
That was my first thought!
Very good, Stormie. Have another stripe.
Behold!
A shining Schwab kept all in awe.
Ahem
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I saw a young man collecting two children from the junior/infants school today when I went shopping. All three (presumably from the same family) were wearing masks in the street, including the youngsters. Why? They were in the open air and children of that age are not at risk at all.
They have been made to fear.
And not taught to think.
HAPPY HOUR – Advent calendar.
….wash your hands before opening the doors!
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2f9a646e8aa4f8cc2b4dea385543a90f5631d76a5a36064b604c26175599f489.jpg
Knock knock
“Who’s there?”
“The undertaker, bring out your dead and have a very merry Christmas”
No – it’s the Police asking why granny isn’t sitting by an open window freezing to death (to save her from catching COVID [but apparently not pneumonia]) and why your family is otherwise having a jolly time.
Bah-humbug!
Yer police would have smashed their way in…
To make sure Grannie got plenty of fresh air.
Presumably millenials can only open doors numbered 3, 11, 15 and 23?
First – only alternate doors should open.
Secondly – why is the deer not masked?
It doesn’t need to: it is a raindeer so it will be wearing a mac!
If any of you have been receiving a lot of ‘Great Sale’ e-mails from Debenhams, here’s why:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55142724
It’s the biggest store in Gloucester and was previously known as the Bon Marche. I wonder what will be done with the building.
There will be nothing left in town centres and high streets by the time the Great Reset is done.
At least they had one still there to close. My parents’ local store had already closed in the first tranche of closures before COVID.
It’s the biggest store in Gloucester and was previously known as the Bon Marche. I wonder what will be done with the building.
There will be nothing left in town centres and high streets by the time the Great Reset is done.
Indeed, but that was the Great Reset’s aim. What’s far worse is how most people and seemingly all bar the politicians on the payroll of such organisations are completely blind to all this. You’d think by the number of dystopian films and TV shows over the years showing this sort of thing that people (other than those planning it) would’ve took some notice. Apparently not.
Housing illegals, Missus. Simples…
Yep. Very likely.
327040+ up ticks,
Evening N,
When the great reset is complete via the lab/lib/con coalition party the town centres will have no need of high streets.
The town centre main attraction will be the compulsory attendance RRC.
RRC = reset retraining centre.
Wellingborough had neither Debenhams nor M&S but nearby we’ve lost Debenhams in Bedford and M&S in Bedford, Northampton and Kettering, although the latter has set up at Rushden Lakes.
There are M&S foodhalls in WB and Bedford.
Edit:
Lost before the panic…
Hmm, Flowton, in deepest Suffolk, has no shop, pub, school, village hall or bus service but we, as a tight-knit community based on our 12th century, Grade 1 listed church, are standing up to a man and woman against the idea that 242 acres of viable, agricultural farmland may be overrun by acres of Solar panels, providing a mere 49.9Mw to the grid yet denying us of the possibility to produce, when we currently import 39% of our food.yet only supply 42% of the electricity demand, nationwide.
I may well repeat this tomorrow and thereafter until we can have this ludicrous idea over-turned.
If you can help, please check
https://www.facebook.com/caresuffolk/photos/a.109291404315035/140370647873777/
Every little means a helluva lot.
The other nasty sting in the tail is that once they’ve got the solar panels (with a limited life) and they are past their usefulness, the land is then considered “brownfield” and can be built on.
That, I think, is what they’re gambling on. Thank God, I shall not be around to see it.
Time for me to go. A glass is called for. Six more pictures hung. No drilling; no swearing; no blood – all thanks to DinK’s very helpful suggestion of sticky hangers.
Should be with you tomorrow – when I have a mirror to hang….on the wall on the other side of the bath. Should be fun. Drilling WILL be required.
Enjoy your evening. (For those interested in a bitta culcher – https://www.connected.theartssociety.org/talks-lectures ) Free.
A demain
“sticky hangers”: Sounds ideal for slippery politicians.
Do you have a plentiful supply, Bill ?
The MR has ordered a fresh supply – of heavy duty ones.
Not being unduly pessimistic, but I hope you have walls that never change temperature and the house never changes humidity and that your pictures are not very heavy.
This in Engerland – not France! And the indoor temperature remains pretty constant around 20ºC throughout the year.
We have only “stuck” light pictures.
Very sensible.
One tends to presume that Thomas paintings will have heavy gilt frames and be 4ft by 6 ft minimum.
Only the Rembrandts.
Inherited or stolen to order?
Need you ask? The family ones. Bought from the painter.
Decorates a better class of house does he?
You’re that old?? I’ll go quietly…;-))
Don’t know if this has been posted.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1333759942898163712
Gove obviously attended the Abbopotamus school of basic arithmetic.
Tonight’s headlines about the vaccine.
The WHO is concerned that there is fake news about the safety of the new vaccines.
Damned right there is.
They’re telling us they’re safe.
https://static.standard.co.uk/2020/12/01/11/newFile-2.jpg?width=990
We wish!
LAST POST
Phew – the Trier killer was just an unhappy, white (“very strange”) electrician. NTDWI. What a relief for the bereaved.
https://youtu.be/McCDWYgVyps
The Scottish version – as the Drum Major of a pipe-band while serving in Germany, I heard this many times and it still tugs at the heart strings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNxCs7g8_vs&ab_channel=DarkIsleBagpiper
Strange indeed. The police report, which names the perpetrator as Bernd W, states that he habitually used to drink in a kebab shop. Halal booze??
Make of that what you will.
He was drunk according to one report I read. Phew! What a relief! That’s alright, then.
Did he try to run down Muslims? If so, he’s a trier.
Probably volunteered for the covid vaccine.
Britain’s two-tier police state. Spiked 1 December 2020.
The truth is, I started the day wanting to create a positive story about the protest and the police. I attempted to talk to several police officers, but understandably they were either too busy or didn’t want to speak to a journalist. My default position is always that we should assume the best of people and be in open dialogue. I am sure the police have a difficult job to do. I finished the day feeling shocked by the police strategies I had seen and nervous to walk past individual police officers.
What makes all this worse is that the style of policing contrasted so heavily with how the Black Lives Matter and Extinction Rebellion protests were policed. Police took the knee for BLM and sometimes didn’t even bother to do anything about XR’s stunts. Anti-lockdown protests, on the other hand, provoke excessive force. There seems to be a strategy of making lots of arrests to create a politicised media story. We have two-tier policing in London.
This is a personal experience of the activities of the UK’s Stasi at last weekend’s demonstration and worth reading for that alone. These people are just Politicised Thugs now, well worthy of the Police State that the UK has become!
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/12/01/britains-two-tier-police-state/
VERY last post
G & P after a busy afternoon “help https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/38f4d3a1c1e711f61627303824523127e83aedadf8533ec5041effc1e097906f.jpg ing” with hanging the pictures.
I wonder whether their coats will turn darker marmalade . Their coats seem to be changing colour by the week.
It’s how he disciplines them when they misbehave, browns them under the grill.
They seem to be getting cuter by the week!
I am afraid they are!
Just attempted to browse the Debenhams site.. fraught with glitches, thought I would find some bargains .
Buy the store for £1.
Give your husband a £1.3 billion dividend.
Declare bankruptcy, get a Damehood and retire to your luxury yacht.
Don’t forget to pay with your credit card, not a debit card!
From Penarth Times https://www.penarthtimes.co.uk/news/18907022.ex-penarth-pupil-isis-terrorist-begs-return-uk/
AN Islamic State fighter and former Penarth student has told of his six years as a recruiter for the terrorist group after being tracked down by journalists.
Aseel Muthana, a former St Cyres school pupil, left Butetown, where he lived with his brother and parents, to join IS in 2014 – and now he wants to return.
Aseel, now 24, told the Sunday Mirror of crucifixions, beheadings, and bragged that he “missed” seeing homosexuals being thrown from rooftops.
He secretly travelled to Syria at the age of 17, telling his parents he was going to a friend’s house for maths revision.
Aseel has been on the United Nations sanction list since 2015, after he and brother Nasser appeared in IS propaganda videos. Nasser is believed to have been killed by an air strike in 2016.
Aseel bragged on social media he was “100 per cent pro” the brutality used by ISIS.
Speaking to the Mirror, he expressed regret that he never saw the rooftop ritual inflicted on homosexuals.
Nasser headed to Syria around the start of 2013. He spoke to Aseel on Skype and the younger brother, then 17, saved £300 and flew out at the end of the year.
Regret, eh? I’ll give him regret – a 9mm in the back of the neck is what he deserves. Be happy to oblige.
Anyone have his co-ordinates?
Asking for a friend in the Pentagon.
Very funny and oh, the irony…
“A Hungarian MEP who co-founded Viktor Orban’s anti-LGBT Fidesz party has resigned after he was caught breaking lockdown by police to attend a mostly-male orgy in Brussels.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9005991/Police-raid-lockdown-orgy-diplomats-MEP-Brussels.html
What an idiot for resigning. He should have claimed it was a ‘fact finding’ mission.
A fuct finding mission?
Nah a fuct funding missionary position.
I just hope us taxpayers are not paying for the laundry bill. Skid marks cost extra to remove.
Please!
Sorry but I once worked for a gay millionaire. His butler, fed up with dealing with the laundry work after the housemaid scarpered and ran off with his gardener, and it was he who complained about the condition of the sheets after a weekend bash.
The butler was head hunted by Conrad Black and hopefully made his escape.
Quite so. He should have explained he was merely conducting an in-depth probe into the darkest recesses of sex, as practised in the EU.
Howdy, Cochrane.
How did it go with your over-chillied curry? WAs it better the next day?
Hi OB, I only had the last of it today, so it lasted 3 days! It was excellent every day, but not sure it got any milder.
a 3-day curry, eh. Nice!
Funny how the narrative has changed.
It was initially reported to be a gang-bang, lots of men and a few women.
Now the MEP has been unmasked (as it were) the focus is on it being a gay gathering rather than a straightforward whore mongering.
Either way it’s sordid and I hope he’s hounded out of office.
He has already been exonerated by the EU. Reason: They are all at it most of the time.
If that got out and was condemned they would have to do the others and people would realise the entire EU is a putrid, abusive, depraved waste of money.
Politicians of all hues just seem to KBO.
VERY VERY last post
Half an hour ago, an Amazon delivery was made. The item was contained in a large BOX.
Guess who were interested…..
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Our two opened Second Son’s christmas present – they liked the rustling of the wrapping paper, so ripped it all off and scattered it all over the living room.
Sigh…
I was going to suggest you get plenty of boxes for the new family members……my two used to have their boxes to hide in and pounce on t’other one when passing innocently by…great amusement!! Enjoy your evening.
You can make a whole assault course for the kitties with empty boxes. Cut the exits as flaps. Leave some packaging inside so they have to squeeze through.
This article shows clearly just how deep the swamp is:
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/12/how_spineless_and_traitorous_are_most_of_the_gop_.html#.X8apTmOFC7o.mailto
It must be a mighty deep swamp.
Justice department, department of homeland security, FBI, republican judges, Republican state governors, secretaries of state and thousands of election workers all involved in cheating Trump.
Attorney General Bill Barr has just announced no evidence of fraud that would affect the outcome of the election.
Hi Jill,
Yes there really is a simple explanation for the election result.
I dont think so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6osV6PYVRg
The thing I find extraordinary is that senior Democrats and a few posters on this site continue to deny the obvious. I assume that the latter are so dyed in the wool with adoration of Obama, who is running the show, that the electoral fraud has escaped their notice.
I have a number of friends in America and they are all horrified and indignant at the election racket. My next door neighbour who works for a Christian charity out of Fort Worth/Dallas is dumbstruck by the supposed election of Biden, my own friend of 50 years who was born in Fort Worth but now is an executive for Coca Cola in Houston says the same.
My ancestral relatives who are descendants of Sam Houston all vote Republican and despise the Democrats. Our ancestor Sam Houston was one of the original pioneers in Texas.
Without benefit of this knowledge (not that it would make any impact on their prejudices) I have been attacked by persons named appropriately ‘Jack and Jill’ whose actual connections with America remain opaque.
New England was founded by folk sailing from Ipswich which included relatives of Samuel Pepys. Pepys’ relative, an uncle, hailed from our village and others are interred in the graveyard of Stoke by Clare.
To achieve the level of fraud being claimed by the likes of American Thinker would have needed many thousands to be implicit in the fraud. None turned round and spilt the beans?
Barr a bought politician? I agree he has been bought like most/all of them but he has been behind Trump all of the way.
Many have ”turned around and spilled the beans” but as you only read the MSM, you’re not fully informed.
Corim, there is simply no evidence of the type of fraud needed to steal the election. The Attorney General, appointed by Trump last year has stated this. I too have relatives and friends in the US, they do not share your relatives’ views. I too come from a part of the country with historic links to the USA and my family name was amongst the earliest settlers. But that’s irrelevant. Biden won, it really is that simple.
That isn’t true.
You haven’t viewed the evidence presented at Gettysburg and you have ignored the statistical evidence which Proves there was massive electoral fraud.
It is impossible for Biden to have won this election.
Not according to the US Attorney General or various judges or election officials.
Bought and paid for in most or all cases.
You have to look at the evidence yourself which of course you haven’t done and don’t want to do because you know it’s conclusive.
Chucking around allegations of bribery without a shred of evidence does you no credit Polly.
It’s not allegations. Many judges, officials and politicians in the US are bought and paid for. Most are Dems, some are Reps, Romney is one.
“…the statistical evidence…”, really? Two candidates with a credible chance of winning. One won in 2016, the other representing the party that lost in 2016, but which received more votes. Biden flipped some, but not all of the states Trump flipped in 2016, some of these states were very marginal in both elections.
Come on. That is not studying the statistical evidence or Gettysberg. There’s a stack out there. Go and find it and stop garbaging !
Once again there is a very small minority that disagrees with you but daren’t come out of the wood-work and say so.
I disagree with him (corimmobile). The choice for Americans was much like it was in the last Presidential elections – a choice between two of the most detested people in the country. Trump lost because Biden gained more electoral college and, indeed, popular votes than him. There’s always a winner and loser in an election and the loser’s best course of action is to accept this with dignity and his character unharmed. You say that there’s a very small minority that disagrees with corimmobile but I would bet that the vast majority of the people of this country, including many Trump supporters, would say that the US election was fair and honest.
Once again, Enri, I’m afraid that I have to disagree with you. If you cannot concede that the US elections were riddled with fraud, then you, like JenniferSP will have to await the outcome of the US Supreme Court’s decision.
Given the magnitude of the Trump vote in 2016, I think it’s a bit harsh to label him ‘Most Detested’. Check your bias, old chap.
I am content to wait for, and accept, the Supreme Court decision – will you? I have checked what you call my bias but since my comment applied equally well to the two candidates, I can’t see that it showed bias. I suggest that it is you who has bias. That, on its own, is OK unless it blinds you to reality. The reality is that, so far, not one shred of irrefutable evidence has been produced to support your view that the election was fraudulent. Evidence might be forthcoming and, in which case, the Supreme Court will consider it. Almost every day that passes shows yet another influential supporter of Trump withdraw their support on the issue of the election or another state or governmental official reject the allegation of electoral fraud. That is also the reality.
I too, have many American friends who are appalled at the level of OUTRIGHT FRAUD that is manifest in this election. I’m just waiting for Trump, his cohorts and the Supreme Court to rule on this before December 18th.
I do so want to see Biden and his so-called Democrats get such a smack in the mouth.
I despise them. Downvote now JSP!
Funny thing is, Jennifer, I won’t see it as I need to refresh in order for it to appear. Here it is 22:45 and I’m going to bed very soon with Best Beloved – a person I doubt you have and loneliness is a very bad situation without strength of character. Good night all.
Don’t be mean, Tom. She’s a troubled lass, doesn’t need a poke in the eye.
Don’t be mean, Tom. She’s a troubled lass, doesn’t need a poke in the eye.
Gotcha JSP – what a wimp.
I assume that the latter are so dyed in the wool with adoration of Obama, who is running the show
I don’t think Obama is running anything. He never ran anything before he was president, so I doubt he is now. He’s a non-entity in a suit, a figurehead.
Just to clarify, our actual connections to America, is the fact that we have lived here, first in Maryland and then West Virginia, for the past 40 years. Therefore, we DO know something about this at first hand!
Trump won with a landslide. It is obvious to us ignoramuses across the pond. I suggest it is even more obvious to the rotten social media channels and press in the USA too whose political bias is blatant.
To clarify: as an ‘ignorant’ observer I think the real issue is not one of ‘voter’ fraud but one of ‘electoral’ fraud. It is for the people of the USA to sort this matter out. We have equally or worse problems in the UK with our own disingenuous political class.
I see that that silly woman cannot admit the slightest possibility that Mr Biden’s cohorts may have tweaked a vote or two.
Carry on in your delusion and be surprised when it all comes on top.
Carry on downvoting for all the good it does to your negative argument.
Barr has not investigated anything. As far as can be seen Barr has merely made pronouncements. He is a boughten politician preferring a maintenance of the status quo. Trump will rightly sack him.
Yep, but we live in a ‘post-truth world’ where accusations can be made without any actual evidence, but by virtue of spreading on social media, the accusations are accepted by a frighteningly significant number of people. It’s dangerous because it opens the way for no election result ever, to be accepted by the losers.
I accept a part of your logic. However there are so many conflicts and anomalies in the 2020 election results as to render your blind faith in the result factually incredible.
The loser is Biden, a decrepit and utterly corrupt has been. His drug addled and equally corrupt son is already exposed as such and the harm these Obama stooge agents have already enacted to the American people is in fathoms buried in the depths of its depravity.
327040+ up ticks,
Evening C,
Gets deeper every General Election in the UK, no serious attempt at change via the polling booth.
BTL:
Joy Bowes 1 Dec 2020 1:32PM
An excellent article. Thank you Mr Blackett for pointing out that environmental payments do not make up for the income lost when farmers go in for environmental schemes. There may well be a grant for planting trees but there is no ongoing support to make up for the fact that the land on which they are planted has been taken out of production.
It is not widely known that current environmental schemes, and the proposed replacement, are on the basis of “income forgone plus costs”, not the outcome in terms of the benefit to ‘natural capital’. What this means is that having agreed the scheme, the farmer takes the land out of production, carries out the necessary work at his or her own expense, then waits to be reimbursed by the Rural Payments Agency. The RPA does not have a good track record of making payments on time or in the correct amount.
Where I diverge from Mr Blackett is that I think there will be dire consequences for small farms, particularly in upland areas of England, because the Basic Payment scheme (i.e. the old EU payments) are being phased out from next year but the much-vaunted Environmental Land Management scheme doesn’t come in until 2024. Many upland livestock farms operate on very tight margins and currently depend on the BPS to keep going, so may fail in the years when there is a funding gap. The Foundation for Common Land estimates 14,000 farms in England at risk of being loss-making or earning less than half the minimum wage by 2024. If tenanted farms go to the wall, the land may not be offered to new entrants, but could well be taken back in hand by landowners who see an opportunity to embark on schemes such as ‘rewilding’ for which they will receive ELMS payments.
J Blackett 1 Dec 2020 3:12PM
@Joy Bowes
Thank you, we don’t really diverge. I was merely pointing out that scaling back per acre payments for larger farms is incoherent as it will probably do the most environmental damage. I completely agree that small upland farms are in mortal danger. The govt appears to have forgotten the Brexit plan for ag, written by Owen Paterson at the time of the referendum, which envisaged Swiss style subsidies to upland farms for landscape/habitat/socio-economic reasons. I fear that many of them will end up being sold for forestry.
“…sold for forestry”
Or more bird-chomping windmills.
Or vast acres ( on viable agricultural land) of solar panels.
The greens and traitors are too deeply embedded in the system.
Goodnight, all.
Gently to sleep with this lullaby.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UVjjcOUJLE
Good night, Gentlefolk, and I hope that you may sink into the loving arms of one who cares.
https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1333818146885562369
Sound on!
“Therefore if any man can shew any just cause, why they may not lawfully be joined together, let him now speak, or else hereafter for ever hold his peace.”
A brother of my Gt grandfather was a bigamist.
He married his wife’s second cousin and got away with it. He had 10 children with his wife and three more with the illegal one. I recenly met two ladies who are his gt grandchildren – my 3rd cousins.
A bigamist.
Men were made of sturdy stuff in those days.
I tell my wife that she can absolutely believe in my fidelity because I would never be crazy enough to take on another one.
He was a lawyer – definitely knew what he was doing.
https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1333880130645729280
I hope they all had their masks on.
‘Night Belle, sleep well.
Good evening, Maggiebelle
No report on this on the BBC News tonight – I wonder why?
But there was a report on how very severe taxes on imports and exports could be after a No-Deal Brexit. All just hypothesis.
327040+ up ticks,
Evening TB,
The naked truth revealed,
JSP is bound to downvote it as she has no concept of reality.
I thought half the country downvoted it, Tom. The EU, that is.
DTStory: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/artists/racist-rants-anti-lockdown-songs-has-eric-clapton-escaped-cancellation/
“From racist rants to anti-lockdown songs, how has Eric Clapton escaped cancellation?”
When he was under the influence of drugs and alcohol he said some pretty nasty things.
However, he has expressed his shame and remorse and has tried to ‘move on’ and has shown no signs of any racist recidivism for over forty years.
Likewise the British ‘repented’ for slavery and indeed it was the British who led the war against the international slave traffic 200 years ago.
So why are the wokery and BLM so cruelly unforgiving? The Christian message is very much focused on the forgiveness of sins for all those who truly repent – why is this so vehemently rejected?
I’ve read that BLM was founded by two women who are very much against Christianity and indulge in rituals intended to summon forth the spirits of their ancestors. Christian tradition, though of course not the woke church of today, regards this as summoning demons, though the people involved presumably consider it benign?
http://adventmessenger.org/video-black-lives-matter-leaders-and-founders-are-summoning-the-dead-promoting-ancestor-worship-and-laughing-with-the-departed-spirits/
327040+ up ticks,
Listen up all English ovis important instructions from the
Capo dei capi & squeez at number 10,
My government & I & pillow whisperer will grant lowering the bar at xmas to make it a tad easier for the older ovis to jump
5 days only then it will go back up, a good bit higher.
Now there’s a thing,
Coronavirus: Fewer Than Two Per Cent of NHS Hospital Trusts Busier Now Than in 2019
Indeed – ‘saving’ the NHS by ruining everything else. Well, almost everything, sans the civil service, Amazon, the social media and tech giants, ‘green’ firms and big pharma.
A car passed me today when I was out walking the dog. It had 68 plates with an EU logo and prominent in the back window was a “Ban Fracking” sign. The thought crossed my mind that it’s one thing being an idiot, but it’s quite another to advertise it to all and sundry.
Oh, well said!
Evening, all. It seems to me that Eton is trying so hard to overcome its “elitist” past (what’s wrong with elitism, I ask – you wouldn’t pick the first squad from a telephone directory, would you?) that it has gone overboard for wokeness. In the meantime, here’s a touch of Schadenfreude Welsh style:
https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/local-hubs/mid-wales/2020/12/01/youre-barred-first-minister-not-allowed-in-100-welsh-pubs-ahead-of-alcohol-ban/
Made oi larf it did.
Then there are the shocking stats about the damage done by the Covid panic idiocy:
https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2020/12/01/job-losses-major-cuts-since-the-start-of-the-pandemic/
Heads should roll, but of course they won’t; it will be promotion and/or golden handshakes all round. B’stards!
I believe the economic damage so great and the flaws in the Johnson government’s approach so blatant that both Johnson and Hancock and his cabinet will be toast in the New Year.
There must be hundreds of disaffected Tories in the party at large and pressure will be put on Brady and the 1922 Committee to be rid of Johnson and his stooges at the soonest.
I’d like to think so, corim, but “my party right or wrong” seems to be deeply engrained. How’s Sinbad, still KBOing? My pooch celebrated his 17th birthday today – treats, cuddles and a walk were the order of the day.
We must have faith in right above wrong.
Sinbad is on a different seizure medicine but has to take a lesser dose of the stronger stuff which was causing his lack of appetite. He is gradually improving but obviously not the same dog as before his seizures.
He is taking some raw fillet beef offcuts and his chewy sticks. He has developed a taste for Twiglets.
If Sinbad leaves his food our 20 year old cat Paris finishes it off so there is a balance of nature of sorts.
Again on the plus side he barks at knocks on the door and similarly greets the tradesmen we have in the house at present, helping us smarten the place up for sale to a London stockbroker or some such. We will probably move to Norfolk eventually, preferably near the coast.
The house is an authentic large thatched ‘chocolate box’ cottage in a quiet village with a beautiful garden. It is commutable from here to London, I did so for years.
Be careful in Norfolk, certain residents treat a property ladder in an unexpected way…
};-O
That sounds very positive, corim. Good luck with the house move if/when it happens. We have the builders in at the moment, re-pointing the house. Not that we’ll be moving (I’ve said that I’ll be carried out of this one in a box!), but some of the joints have no mortar left at all.
With us it is all of the things we started and failed to finish. I commuted from here to London for ten years and then from here to Norwich for two years and then back to commuting to London for a further two years.
I can imagine how relieved some might be now that it is proven that people can work from home and travel in to London or wherever as required. Houses in my area of North Essex on the Suffolk border are in high demand from stockbrokers wanting a bolt hole from which they can escape Mayor Khan’s nightmare from time to time.
You couldn’t do much better than move to Norfolk but, be aware, you shall have to live there for at least 40 years before you’re accepted as a local.
A quick lesson – a question that may be asked, ” Ha yer father gotta dicka, bor? To which the answer (well known to Dumplings), is, “Yeah, he want a fule to cum and roide it, will ye cum?”
Translation, “Has your father got a donkey, boy?”
“Yes, he wants a fool to come and ride it – will you come?”
Gertcha!
Night All
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And just for Willum
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Two falls, two submissions or a knockout, by the look of the first one.
Wow, I’m glad I read down to your post before I posted almost exactly the same except my brain said, “Two falls, a submission or a knockout.”, but you’re correct. How the brain keeps things lurking in the depths of your mind.
Here’s one for you, mola2 (you do live in Cornwall, don’t you?):
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9000875/Police-Tier-1-Cornwall-launch-anti-pint-patrol-stop-sneaky-drinkers-jumping-border.html?utm_campaign=1627516_01%2F12%2F20&utm_medium=dotmailer&utm_source=Countryside%20Alliance&dm_i=44G9,YVSS,1MJH5T,4CROI,1
The White Hart in the article is about 2 miles away, all uphill. A nice pub, with an absolutely amazing view. I’ve enjoyed many a pint of Guinness in there, but I’m not a regular.
My local, the Rising Sun, is actually much closer to the first bridge across the Tamar, upstream of the Plymouth Tamar bridge, and I’m a bit worried about getting in there tomorrow after fishing.
Take your passport 🙂
They know their local customers who drink comme il faut. It’ll just be a question of spatial constraint indoors. A couple of cold pints outside if necessary.
Do you MIND????
https://twitter.com/pritipatel/status/1333849745014579205
Hoping..?
I’m hoping to become rich and sexy, but in reality…
The letter is far too polite…
My Tw@ter response to her:-
https://twitter.com/BeardedBob7282/status/1333853884545191944
Absolutely Shyster Lawyers and they deserve to be struck off for their actions to keep known criminals in the country and only for their own pecuniary advantage. Where’s me Holland and Holland?
I’d rather she used ‘intend’ or ‘will’ instead of ‘are hopefully’.
‘Shall’ even.
That’s a Thatcherism. Churchill would have used ‘will’.
“Every Prime Minister needs a Willy”
You sure? I am accustomed to writing contracts.
I see he used both…
You sure? I am accustomed to writing contracts.
Where there’s a will there’s a way.
Where there’s a shall there’s a shalln’t.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elEayXUkyrg
With regard to these horrible, perverted little Muslims, it’s more like, “Where there’s a way, there’s a willy.”
I’d rather she used ‘intend’ or ‘will’ instead of ‘are hopefully’.
Good morning fellow insomniacs!
Up & awake at 02:30 so decided to check my Premium Bonds and I’ve won another consolation prize, £25 worth.
The DT got nothing.
Plagiarised from Going Postal:-
Good morning all – Wednesday’s new page is here.
Oh bugger!
Just checked my e-mails and found one from Student Son entitled Fire!:-
Spoke to him on the phone, he’s ok and no one is hurt, but one of the downstairs flats was badly damaged when the occupant accidently turned the cooker hotplate on and set a plastic box aflame!
The Fire Brigade have left now and he sent me this pic of looking into the damaged flat:-
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Oof! Yukk! I bet it stinks, too.