790 thoughts on “Tuesday 24 September: Corbyn’s plan to abolish independent schools will not resolve Britain’s educational inequalities”

  1. Cressida Dick says “casual and extreme” corruption in Line of Duty gave police a bad name. 24 SEPTEMBER 2019.

    Explaining why she had allowed cameras to film her officers, Ms Dick said it was one of her priorities “to improve further confidence in the police, and I do believe that the more people know, the better it is. So we’ve nothing to hide.”

    Morning everyone. Is this the Police Service where the Darroch and Williamson leak enquiries have been frozen because the results might embarrass the government? Where the Skripal Case, possibly the most ludicrous story ever told to the British Public, goes unchallenged? The one where a Senior Officer sat in his car and watched one of his officers being murdered and then scarpered off into retirement without a word being said? That presides over daily murders with indifference? The one led by a Common Purpose lesbian clown who ordered the death of an innocent man? That Police Service?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/23/cressida-dick-says-casual-extreme-corruption-line-duty-gave/

    2. That woman should be kicked out forthwith and replaced by Detective Superintendent Sandra Pullman (i.e. Amanda Redman in New Tricks)

    3. Yup. The one that insisted that sexual misconduct allegations must be believed regardless, and the alleged perpetrator humiliated and have their reputations trashed in the full glare of the BBC, subsequently to be found not guilty. That police farce.

    1. Ditto here, Bob3, so no more painting. (Fortunately the job was finished yesterday just before the heavens opened.)

  3. Good Morning, all

    SIR – Would it not have made more sense to have used the Thomas Cook staff and air fleet in the repatriation of stranded holidaymakers, with the cost covered by the relevant authorities – rather than having to organise the whole operation through third parties, which will inevitably seek to profit from the venture?

    David Jepson
    Derby

    A similar query was raised raised last night by Bill Thomas .
    a) Thomas Cook is in Liquidation, not Administration
    b) A brief perusal of TC’s 2018 Annual Report shows that much if not all of their fleet of 103 aircraft is on finance leases, not owned or on operating leases. The lessors will be repossessing their bits of kit ASAP.

    This gives a good picture of what’s been happening….
    How secret plans saved customers of Thomas Cook from being stranded
    Civil servants spent millions creating a pop-up airline ready to fly back Brits abroad

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/23/how-secret-plans-saved-customers-of-thomas-cook-from-being-stranded

    1. This is down to UK insolvency legislation. The minute a UK company becomes insolvent it has to cease trading and all its planes are grounded
      In Germany it is different which is probably why some people thought that Thomas Cooks German airline was unaffected. Under German insolvency legislation the planes can still be used to fly back people already abroad. IT is this that probably made some people think Condor was unaffected

      1. The Norwegian arm of TC are still flying – apparently, they were profitable, so a sale is likely to be easy.

  4. Russia ‘adding violent energy’ to white supremacy around the globe, US experts claim. 23 SEPTEMBER 2019.

    In testimony to a Congressional committee Mr Geltzer said: “This is not terrorism ‘domestic’ to any one nation alone. It is a global surge in violence inspired by white supremacy.

    “There is one additional driver of today’s threat that must be emphasised – the active role of foreign government actors in propagating violent white supremacist ideology.”

    He added: “The Russian government adds violent energy to the emerging transnational network of white supremacists, spreading its cause in part through disinformation aggressively disseminated online.”

    Where exactly is this “global surge in violence inspired by white supremacy.”? Have I missed something? Where are its organisations? It’s bombings? Its manifestos? Its charismatic leaders calling for the deaths of non-whites?

    White Supremacy as voiced here is a pseudonym for far-right. Another attempt to counter the populist surge that is sinking the quasi Marxist Neoliberals and Globalists! It is no accident that Mr Gelzer no longer holds any office thus making his pronouncements unofficial and for hire to the highest bidder.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/23/russia-adding-violent-energy-white-supremacy-around-globe-us/

    1. Just wanting to exist in a civilised free and democratic country where everyone is equal under the law is white supremacy these days.

      3. Nottlers will have mixed feelings, no doubt. As they say, one man’s meat is another man’s poisson.

  8. Morning all

    SIR – Dr Martin Stephen, my predecessor as High Master of the Manchester Grammar School, states that the destruction of good schools will not improve our education system.

    When secondary modern schools disappeared during the creation of the comprehensive system, few shed any tears. It was the disappearance of grammar schools that caused distress, and its unintended consequence was the rapid growth of the independent sector, which was seen as the natural home for the able and aspirational.

    Some, such as Dr Stephen, have done tremendous work in raising finance for means-tested bursaries 
and providing support for local state schools, but it has the feel of Canute arguing with the tide.

    The fundamental question facing us now is how to ensure that all pupils have the same opportunities to flourish. Whatever our political persuasions, we should not be blind to the destructive and indefensible divisiveness so clearly present within the state and the independent educational sectors.

    What we need is a comprehensive reassessment of the entire English educational system.

    Dr Christopher Ray
    Oxenhope, West Yorkshire

    1. SIR – Labour’s desire to abolish independent schools not only represents a full-frontal assault on aspirational parents’ desire to see their children succeed, but also attacks a core feature of middle-class identity and self definition for those who have been through the much-loved and hugely successful British private school system.

      Where Labour may have gained amid concerns about Conservative Party turmoil, it now seems probable that many will put aside their misgivings and return to the Tory fold.

      If imposed upon this country, Labour’s Marxist class-war strategy could unleash forces that would put Brexit divisions in the shade.

      John Rees
      London N4

    2. What we need is a comprehensive reassessment of the entire English educational system.

      What the UK requires is an educational system designed for the 21st century and beyond.

      1. Rather what the UK needs is an education system. What it has is a political indoctrination wing that happens to include schools.

    3. What we need is horses for courses – academic education doesn’t suit everyone, so those who can benefit from it should be able to do so unhindered by those who can’t.

  9. SIR – Why are travel companies allowed to continue to sell holidays and fly passengers abroad when they are in a precarious financial position?

    The collapse of Thomas Cook was not a sudden event. Monarch Airlines did the same thing only two years ago.

    Steve Cattell
    Grantham, Lincolnshire

    3. If they stop selling whilst in a not-so-perilous position, that position will then be the perilous position. Then, they will have to stop selling even sooner – which will become the new perilous position. Where would it stop? With the extinction of holiday companies.

    4. “The collapse of Thomas Cook was not a sudden event”:

      No Epi, the Sunday Times claimed that the directors had removed over £20million in the last few years in fees and bonuses.

  10. Morning again

    SIR – According to Michael Mansfield QC, we should all ditch meat to save the planet.

    However, Dr Allan Savory, the Zimbabwean ecologist, has shown in a large-scale experiment that livestock farming helps to prevent the desertification of arable land, due to faeces and urine being trampled into the ground, trapping carbon and helping plants and grasses to regrow.

    Sadly, in this era of scare stories, the opinions of unqualified lobbyists appear to override those of experts.

    Peter Yarnall
    Milnrow, Lancashire

      1. Barristers do not flourish on truth as I learned when studying the murder of babies by their mothers whose appeal cases were presented by the egregious Mansfield. Watching the lies slip easily from their lips was unbearable when contrasted with the final suffering of infants.

  11. SIR – Stefan Buczacki (Letters, September 21) might be interested to hear that my grandfather always arrived to stay with his Thermos.

    Before retiring to bed, he would boil the kettle, put his whole kipper (head down) into the flask, cover it with boiling water and secure the lid.

    Next morning, he had a hot, perfectly cooked fish breakfast.

    Peter Yarrow
    Newbury, Berkshire

  12. SIR – The best way to counter children’s eco-anxiety is to teach the history of climate change.

    Starting with the Ice Age, study could progress to the late Roman warming period and then cover cooling in the Dark Ages, the violent storms of the late 13th and early 14th centuries, and the series of mini ice ages that followed.

    Children might want to cover the cooling period after 1940, which lasted for nearly four decades. They could also study the newspaper reports from the Seventies that suggested we were entering a new mini ice age.

    David Starkie
    London SW8

    2. SIR – “Destroy capitalism, save the planet,” the climate strikers declare, forgetting that such destruction leads inevitably to poverty, oppression, and frequently – as in Venezuela, Zimbabwe and North Korea – to famine.

      Otto Inglis
      Edinburgh

    3. But that means teaching them real science so that will never do. Only Political Science is permitted to be taught now.

      1. It’s painful to hear about from those affected. A grandson who I tempt with truth says he would be considered moronic should he venture the science of CO2 in class at school.

        1. Interestingly the primary function of the earths atmosphere is to keep the planet cool. Without the atmosphere we would be both roasted by the suns heat and fried by the suns radiation so quite how CO2 heats up the planet I have not a clue

          1. There is no empirical evidence that it does. The computer models are fatally flawed with cumulative errors so great that results are indistinguishable from the background. Then there is the fraudulent selection of data and the conspiracy to deceive that completes the picture. The most comprehensive example of mass hysteria the world has ever known excepting religion.

          2. Perhaps the greatest way the atmosphere stabilises both the temperature and CO2 levels is the level of water vapour.

            The oceans play a huge part in maintaining levels of this vital and often overlooked compound. As far as local infraclimates that enable us to grow crops and provide benign habitats for a vast number of species, including ourselves, nothing is more important for harvesting from the ground and distributing water vapour into the atmosphere as trees, and lots of them.

            I condemn and damn humanity most of all for the way it seems hell-bent on destroying trees.

            Every forest is a cathedral.

    4. The problem with this approach is that well-educated youngsters may well come to an inconvenient conclusion that actually supports what the climate scientists are saying and also explains what is being directly observed with the melting of glaciers and the way natural weather events turn out to be catastrophic rather than merely disastrous.

      I actually believe that left to itself, the Earth’s natural cycles are drifting towards an ice age, but has been hijacked by humanity’s proliferation, its ability to keep alive a lot longer than before, and the success of its drive to global consumerism. I think the Earth is mitigating human activity, and the planet would be much worse had the natural cycle been stable. However, I also believe we are overwhelming the Earth’s natural cycles as well as its capacity to make corrections, at least in the short term (i.e. a century or two) and we are in great peril of creating a desert, a mass extinction of biodiversity, and very many human casualties that would take the Earth tens or hundreds of thousands of years to put right. Trump is already talking about setting off global armageddon by declaring war on Iran and its allies (that must include Russia).

      I don’t know how long David Starkie plans to live, but I don’t have tens or thousands of years to enjoy desert living – twenty or thirty more is probably my lot.

  14. May be we should crowd fund to take the Defecting MP’s to court as they have deceived the voters and they got elected by misrepresenting themselves
    I think there could be a fair chance of wining

    Technically you are electing a person to represent you but they make it quite clear they are standing as a Party candidate and not as an individual. They will wear the party Rosette . They will stand using party literature and will stand on the party manifesto

    1. My recollection of the last GE is that the manifestos of both Labour and Conservative parties committed to an “orderly” Brexit or words to that effect. If an MP believes that where we are going will not be an orderly Brexit, then voting against it is within the manifesto. The problem with Brexit is that there are too many words, written and spoken, can be interpreted in opposite ways.

        1. I think that most of most manifestos are written with wiggle room but, in any case, they are not binding. I don’t think that that’s necessarily a bad thing as circumstances can change between a manifesto being written and a government forming, and, of course, an opposition party doesn’t have all the information that a party in power has. Whether or not these wiggle rooms give “reasonable doubt” is a matter of conjecture.

    2. Good morning Bill

      You know what, the mental image I have of you is nimble , agile , can do activity .

      Ladderwork, so what are you going to attempt to do now.

      Be careful ok

    3. Oh No ! Get yourself a Michelin Man suit. If you fall off the ladder you won’t hurt yourself. Bouncing uncontrollably down the road might be a problem though.

  16. Marxist Labour Great Freebie Offering

    32 Hour Week , Much longer annual leave. Higher minimum pay. Billions more for NHS, Education and for Electric Cars and Wind Turbines

    Nationalisation of Gas, Electric, Water, Railways and part nationalisation of banks and all whilst remaining in the EU which does not permit

    Howe is this all to be paid for? Well by smoke and mirrors. They claim profits from the state owned wind Turbines will be used to fun some of it. The problem is the wind turbines dont make a profit unless you include the massive subsidies for them. Where the rest comes from who knows

    A 32 Hours week would destroy the UK economy. France tried to implement a 35 Hour week and that did not go well

    2. And massive unemployment with people just not being able to find another job.

      Businesses folding en masse and institutional poverty.

      Then, no doubt, forced into the waiting arms of the EU, forced to adopt the Euro and obliteration.

      From such a grand hope for the future to utter destruction, all carried out by the desperate aims of mendacious, vindictive, abusive scum.

  17. Academics who refuse to talk to each other show just how bad our woke universities have become. DOUGLAS MURRAY. 24 SEPTEMBER 2019.

    Roehampton University recently held a conference called “Thinking Beyond: Transversal Transfeminisms”, designed as a response to what it called “a series of attacks against the experiences and identities of trans people, including rampant transphobia in UK feminist circles”. There is quite enough presumption in that sentence alone to fill a number of conferences. But this was not what made this waste of life so noticeable.

    Woke as used here in the title is best understood as a colloquialism for Cultural Marxism which is demolishing every institution in the UK ranging from the Police to the RNLI and the most advanced Universities. It is literally a terminal cultural cancer and when it has run its course the UK will be a political and economic corpse.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/24/academics-refuse-talk-show-just-bad-woke-universities-have-become/

    1. Morning Araminta.

      Although my town does have foreigners, I doubt if any “Transversal Transfeminisms” have landed here and suspect they’d get chucked out were they to do so.

      It does, however, have a multitude of ordinary people for whom such academic junk would go in the nearest bin or, more accurately, fly-tipped. I don’t think my town is unique in that respect and don’t fear for our future.

  18. The press are all full of whether or not Boris bonked another young lady.

    Why doesn’t John Major get involved?

    Having prorogued Parliament himself did not stop him attacking Boris for doing the same thing so why should the fact that he bonked Edwina Currie stop him attacking Boris for his boisterous bonking?

    1. Allegedly, by coincidence, when John retired from politics, he landed a million dollar job with a company where Uncle George was a star client.

    3. Have they said anything about Lloyd George yet? Personally, I employ him as PM, not for his sex life.

    4. Good morning all. Boris and bonking – another great distraction, together with Mayor Khan’s “investigation”.

  19. Good morning all. I await with interest the ruling of the Supreme Court. This will be about far more than whether Parliament has to be recalled. It will decide whether the courts are able to insert their influence into decisions made in Parliament. If they rule against Johnson then it will be the thin end of a very large and damaging wedge. Do we really want to see every decision made by a PM or Minister challenged by proponents of ‘lawfare’ like Gina Miller?

    1. They have ruled his prorogation is unlawful. That’s the end of democracy in this country. We may as well not bother voting again.

      1. Indeed. The opinions of 11 unelected judges clearly count far more than those of 17.4m people.

        1. If we ever do get another vote, I shall turn out, but write “what’s the point of voting to get ignored?” on my ballot paper.

          1. To be honest, this is all a bit of a sideshow. Yes, we will have to deal with 5 more weeks of Bercow screaming “OOORRDEERR!!” and he and his cohorts unsufferable smugness. But the real issue is Johnson’s negotiating objective, which is the bring the Awful Surrender Document back to parliament. If it is passed and a General Election is conveniently kicked into the long grass then we will have been utterly betrayed.

          2. Surely, logically, if Parliament wasn’t prorogued, the session was not ended. In that case, May’s WA can’t be brought back.

          3. I rather suspected that part of the reason for the ending (sorry, can’t type the P-word!) was so he could bring the Awful Surrender Document back for a fourth try. This may backfire now.

            Saying that, the rules are whatever Speaker Bercow says they are, so if he wants to allow WA4 to come back to the same parliament I’m sure he will do so.

    6. Yo Horace

      Is the “Two Red Shoes” still going in Elgin?

      I used to go there in the ’63/64, when I was at Lossie, when it belonged to the RN

      1. Next time I go through Elgin I’ll look – what was it – a pub?
        I used to go to Lossie in the late 60’s when I was on Vulcans – it was one of our dispersal airfields

        1. It was the local dance Hall

          Yo Alec

          When I was at Lossie i ’64, I singlehandedly beat off 3000 Russian Agents, who were trying to steal the V Bomber that I was guarding, with my trusty pick halve

      1. Most certainly as the black hole in the national budget continues to expand. The speed of expansion seems to be a cosmic constant irrespective of the political party in power…..

        1. I looked up National Debt on the government site and couldn’t make head nor tail of it. The Maasrticht Treaty rules appeared to be part of the equation. I think it might be £1.8 trillion but I suspect it is more than this. It is about 3 times the debt the Conservatives inherited from the Labour party and the Interest Rate is crippling. Does anyone know what the National Debt is and who the UK pay the interest payments to.

    1. Why not just keep to the same five working days a week but add an extra day to the weekend making a week last for eight days, we could call the extra day Marxday

  24. ‘Morning All
    Over the last 30/40 years the slow drip drip drip of Cultural Marxism/Common Purpose infesting our institutions and our lives had gone virtually unoticed by the masses
    I think the Brexit vote and the election of President Trump have driven the NWO into panic and overeaction in a rush to impose their policies before actual voting can change and reject them.
    The performance of Greta the Goblin,the Trans/Paedo/Kiddydrag,Project Fear etc etc all overblown and rejected by more and more people.
    They have realised they can no longer win Democratic votes so Democracy itself has to go,to be replaced by quasi-religion and the rule of bent lawyers
    I knew I should never have upset that old Chinaman…………………

  25. A 32 hour week will impose a requirement for an extra 20% staffing for the NHS
    1 Where will the extra Doctors and Nurses come from
    2 Will the current employees be taking a 20% paycut?? If not where is the money to come from??

    2. Of course a 32 hour week will mean drop in salary for many , similar to zero hours for lower paid people .. and as they say idle hands make idle mischief

      1. ‘Upon leaving education, McDonnell held a series of unskilled jobs. After marrying his first wife, he studied for A-levels at night school at Burnley Technical College, and at the age of 23, he moved to Hayes in Greater London, attended Brunel University, and earned a bachelor’s degree in government and politics’

        And that appears to be the extent of his life working in the real world.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McDonnell

    5. 1. Poor countries who cannot afford to lose these skills.
      2. No, that’s not the Labour plan. Less work for more moeny – what’s not to like?

      1. Heaven forfend we invest in training places to produce our own Doctors and Nurses after all the current schools are only ten times oversubscibed with willing qualified applicants
        The problem as always is it’s a 20 year program to set up and see the benefits and no,not a damned one,politician will look beyond the next election cycle

  27. Spiked on the exploitation of Greta

    The aim seems to be to make environmentalism an unquestionable,

    untouchable ideology. Witness how anyone who raises even a peep of

    criticism of eco-nonsense will now be asked: ‘How dare you criticise

    Greta and the other brave climate-striking children?’ These kids are

    being used as moral shields by adults to protect the increasingly

    bizarre politics of environmentalism from interrogation and criticism.

    It is dizzying in its cynicism.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/09/24/save-greta/

          2. We exchanged greetings in passing but regrettably we never sat at the same table. I would have liked the chance for a chin-wag.

  32. Having an Irish mixed grill! New potatoes, roast potatoes, boiled potatoes, mashed potatoes, waffles and hash browns with chips.

    Congratulations you have won either £1000 cash or tickets to see Elvis Presley.
    Press 1 for the money, 2 for the show…….

    Two WPC dog handlers on the beat. One says “I’m cold I left my knickers at the station”. The other says ” Let the dog have a sniff of your fanny and he’ll fetch em”.
    The dog returned 20 mins later with her knickers, a truncheon, 2 broom handles and 3 of the desk sergeants fingers.

    A Rochdale Paki was stopped outside Boots by a woman with a clipboard asking “What products do you use for grooming?”. She was a bit surprised when he replied “Facebook”.

    I woke up last week to find a West Indian shoved through my letter box. The next day it was a Nigerian followed the day after by a Jamaican. I think some f*ckers black mailing me.

    A man walks into a crowded bar with a loaded gun and shouts “who’s bin f*ckin my wife?” a voice in the back shouts ” you don’t have enough bullets”.

    My wife just asked me if her appendix scar made her look unattractive. Apparently, the response of “Don’t worry babe, your tits cover it” wasn’t the answer she was looking for.

    Scouser went to court accused of shagging a cat. The Judge dismissed the case saying that in his 30 years as a judge he’d never known a Scouser put anything into a kitty!.

    A bloke from Barnsley wakes up with a sore arse. He goes to the shop and says to the shopkeeper “Nah then, does tha’ sell arse cream?” The shopkeeper replies ” Aye lad we do, does tha’ want a Magnum or a Cornetto?”

    My wife is suffering from depression. She phoned me the other day and said “I feel like jumping in front of a bus and you’re not doing anything to help”. So I sent her a timetable.

    I can’t stop thinking about prisons……………………….my mind works in Strangeways.

    I cannot stand people who think they’re worse off than everybody else. My mate Derek is brilliant. He had a bad accident where he lost his voice and both legs. Does he make a song and dance about it? Does he hell!

    1. Aaaaarrrggghhhhhhh ……. he’s SMOKING!!!!!!
      Protect the kiddiwinks. Cover their eyes. Cover their ears. Cover their mouths and nostrils otherwise their next breath will their LAS …… ah ….

  35. I wonder if Mr Corbyn is aware that In the early 1980’s President Mitterand determined to abolish all private schools in France.

    All the teachers in private schools were unanimous in stating that they would not continue to teach in the state system and the schools said that they would not allow their private property to be used by the state. The demonstrations staged by private school teachers and private school parents against Mitterand were all held at the weekend so as not to interfere with children’s schooling and this won great sympathy from the public.

    Mr Mitterand soon realised that the cost and the chaos of abolishing private schools would bankrupt his country so he had to climb down.

    1. A rider to this is that Mr Corbyn and his party are not remotely worried by the fact that Britain would be bankrupted. Indeed bankrupting Britain is one of their core policies.

      1. That’s their goal, a classless society of people living in poverty that they can control from cradle to grave.

    2. Mr Mitterand soon realised that the cost and the chaos of abolishing private schools would bankrupt his country so he had to climb down.

      No worries over that here, Corbyn and McDonnell have a whole raft of measures to achieve that state of affairs.

  36. Ghastly news.. so Labour Lib dem Remain justices have brought ruination , the will of the people has been undone ,, there will be no Brexit now, because the B######s have got their way and the Speaker is now back in the throng ,, and Grieve is smug as hell.

  39. Quelle Surprise! Prorogation of Parliament was illegal.
    Two points to kick off with.
    1. The legal argument of the decision renders all prorogation of Parliament illegal?
    2. Will there be an appeal to the ECJ?

  40. John Bercow will be wetting himself with glee right now, the odious little dwarf!

    This reminds me of Theresa May’s disasterous election campaign. He’s humiliated himself, weakened his own hand and made it more likely that an extension to Article 50 will be sought and an even softer Brexit enacted.

  42. C’mon BoJo prorogue parliament again,it would be hilarious
    On a serious note,how can we remove these judges??,We can’t yet they rule us
    By definition that is tyranny

  43. Boris’ pro-roguing of parliament was unlawful.

    The establishment Left are going to destroy democracy and oppress the people. We live in a fascist state.

  44. BTL DT
    The
    ordinary British people through Brexit have exposed the media, British
    and international political elite, big business, super rich, luvvies,
    state bureaucracy and academia for the lying, corrupt parasites they
    are.

    Whatever the noble ambitions on which it was founded, the EU is an anachronism.

    It
    is increasingly anti-democratic; its supranational system is being
    imitated nowhere else on earth; and its economic policies are causing
    misery in many parts of the EU.

    It is sclerotic, opaque, elitist:
    different nations bound together by a centralised bureaucracy that
    ordinary people can neither understand nor vote out.

    It is an attempt to build a United States of Europe; to create a single political structure.

    And yet no senior Remainer has so far had the honesty to defend the project for what it is.

    No
    one on the Remain side has shown any shred of explicit federalist
    idealism; no one has called for Britain to join in “building Europe” or
    in creating a “European identity”.

    That is because they know that this ideology – though dominant in Brussels – would be viewed with alarm by the British public.
    “When things get difficult you just have to lie”

    1. The BTL misses the point.
      This isn’t about the EU or BREXIT any more.
      It’s about who has the power in the country – the People, represented by the electorate, or the “elites”.
      It now looks like big money and the elites have executed a coup against the People.

  45. Now is the time for

    Steve Baker
    Richard Drax
    Mark Francois
    Owen Paterson,
    John Redwood
    Esther McVey
    and
    Bill Cash

    (and any other like-minded MPs)

    to declare that they will stand for The Brexit Party in the coming election – and that
    if a general election is not announced in the next two weeks they will resign and seek re-election in by elections.

    Boris is certainly putting the poop back into nincompoop as far as a genuine Brexit is concerned.

    Today’s DT

    Boris Johnson promises Tories will not make pact with Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party

    (Let us hope that this is a promise Johnson has to go back on and that he wilI make a pact with Farage)

    Prime Minister Boris Johnson meets European Council President Donald Tusk at the United Nations Headquarters
    Prime Minister Boris Johnson meets European Council President Donald Tusk at the United Nations Headquarters CREDIT: STEFAN ROUSSEAU/PA
    Anna Mikhailova, deputy political editor, in new york Charles Hymas
    23 SEPTEMBER 2019 • 10:34PM
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    Boris Johnson has insisted there will be no election pact with Nigel Farage just days after Jacob Rees-Mogg said Brexiteers “owe him a great debt”.

    On Monday night, the Prime Minister said the Conservative Party will contest the election in every seat as he brushed off suggestions the Tories need the Brexit Party’s support in order to win.

    Mr Farage has offered a non-aggression pact to the Prime Minister if he signs up fully to a no-deal departure from the EU and the Conservatives stand aside in more than 80 seats.

    However, Mr Johnson on Monday night rejected the idea and said he will go to the country “as Conservatives and not in an alliance or a pact, or a coupon deal”.

    Asked if the Tories will contest every seat, Mr Johnson said: “Of course.”

    Mr Rees-Mogg, the Leader of the House, told a Telegraph subscriber event last week that Mr Farage was one of the most influential people in politics “who’s never been in Parliament”.

    On Monday, Mr Johnson, after being told that Mr Farage recently told reporters he gets on well with him, responded “God”, before adding: “I have personally good relations with all sorts of political opponents.”

    President of France Emmanuel Macron (L), German Chancellor Angela Merkel (2R), and British Prime Minister Boris Johnson (R) meet after the United Nation
    President of France Emmanuel Macron (L), German Chancellor Angela Merkel (2R), and British Prime Minister Boris Johnson (R) meet after the United Nation CREDIT: REX
    It came as almost two thirds of Tory voters say they would back an electoral pact with Mr Farage’s party in order to deliver Brexit.

    A ComRes poll for The Daily Telegraph suggested both Conservative and Brexit Party voters are overwhelmingly in favour of an electoral pact.

    Mr Farage could even swing more than a quarter of Labour Leave voters behind a Conservative candidate if he was to endorse the prospective MP.

    The survey of 2,050 adults for Britain Elects, the pollsters, showed 63 per cent of Conservative voters and 79 per cent of Brexit Party backers believe the best way would be a pact, where each stood aside for the other on a constituency-by-constituency basis.

    Also, 57 per cent of Leave voters said they believe a pact provides the best chance of delivering Brexit, while 28 per cent of Labour Leave voters said they would be “more likely” to vote Conservative if Mr Farage endorsed the candidate.

    Mr Johnson said he was building a “lively dialogue” with France, Germany and Ireland as he held crucial meetings with their leaders to hammer out a Brexit deal. Arriving in New York for the UN general assembly on Monday, Mr Johnson said the countries were working “very hard” to find a way to ditch the backstop.

    He met Angela Merkel, the German chancellor; and Emmanuel Macron, the French president, yesterday afternoon. In a meeting with Donald Tusk, the European Council President, Mr Johnson discussed the proposals for replacing the backstop which the UK shared with the EU last week.

    A Downing Street spokesman said: “The Prime Minister emphasised that in order to secure a deal we will now need to see movement and flexibility from the EU.”

    Donald Trump and Prime Minister Boris Johnson U.S. in August
    Donald Trump and Prime Minister Boris Johnson U.S. in August CREDIT: REUTERS
    On Tuesday, Mr Johnson will have bilateral meetings with Leo Varadkar, the Irish Taoiseach, and Donald Trump, the US president. Mr Varadkar said yesterday he will not accept a “halfway house” solution to the Northern Ireland border.

    Downing Street said Mr Johnson and Mr Trump were expected to discuss an “ambitious UK-US trade deal”.

    Ahead of the meeting Mr Johnson will promise to “roll out the red carpet” for American businesses post-Brexit.

    He is expected to say: “We are increasing the number of visas for scientists. We are ensuring that your brilliant students can stay on for two years so as to get real value from their studies. And so that our economy benefits from their expertise.”

    However, he warned: “We must make sure the NHS is in no way on the table, we must ensure we don’t jeopardise our standards of animal welfare or food hygiene over the course of that deal.”

    Mr Johnson said: “I will make the point to President Trump – the Americans are yet to eat a single mouthful of British lamb or beef. So we have a long way to go before we get the openness in the markets that we want, but I am confident we will get there.”

      1. He is a disgrace. We are very stupid if we continue to have any faith in him.

        He is not just a Remainer Mole – he is a Remainer skunk.

        He is so obsessed with fornication that I expect he harbours a secret desire to deflower Mrs May. This would explain why he voted for her surrender deal and why he is now representing it again to increase his chances with her.

        1. Should Johnson revive May’s WA and try to enslave the UK he would need more than Farage’s help to achieve a majority. In fact Farage has declared that the Brexit party will contest every seat and split the Leave vote if the WA is on the table. Johnson should realise that groups such as Lawyers for Britain will be all over any deal he tries to put to Parliament. It will be thoroughly dissected and the true facts, not Johnson’s and others’ spun gloss, will be in the public domain tout suite.

        3. So what you are saying is he’s a sort of Pilgrim on the Maydeflower, a follower of John Donne:
          ” Licence my roving hands, and let them go,
          Before, behind, between, above, below.
          O my America! my new-found-land…”

          1. I am an admirer of John Donne’s poetry and his metaphysical conceits.

            Johnson, like many old Etonians, is a common,vulgar and odious twerp.

    2. “Mr Rees-Mogg, the Leader of the House, told a Telegraph subscriber event last week that Mr Farage was one of the most influential people in politics “who’s never been in Parliament”.”

      Since he’s an MEP and that the European Parliament tells our bunch what they should do most of the time, I’d have thought that would have counted for a lot.

      Morning Rastus.

    3. The “backstop”continues to do its job. Like a film about a haunted house, the entire story, action and plot revolve around something that isn’t real.

  46. What happens now?

    We have the Speaker interfering with democracy in my view and now in my view the Law Lords

    The bias in my view in the establishment is obvious

      1. This isn’t about the EU or BREXIT any more. It’s much more important than that.
        It’s about who has the power in the country – the People, represented by the electorate, or the “elites”.
        It now looks like big money and the elites have executed a coup against the People.

          2. As Duncan Mac told us……………..

            ”Polly has a curious style of posting. Part mystic, like the oracle, Pythia, and part Socratic, based on the principle of asking questions to stimulate critical thinking.”

        3. Today it’s been reported that Arron Banks & Co have been cleared by the NCA of any wrongdoing i.e. accepting foreign money for political purposes. Will there be an investigation into exactly where the money to fund this campaign came from: the law in the UK doesn’t come cheap.

          1. Politicians come very cheap. They can be bought for a few thousand. As we have seen. Less than £4m to buy every last one of them I should think.

          2. ‘Afternoon, Horace, that works out at £6,153.85 each. A mere bagatelle to Soros but an expenses windfall for the troughers.

          3. Korky, it seems that Aaron Banks borrowed money from one of his own companies (legal) and then gave it as an individual (legal) towards supporting the Leave side of the Referendum. As stated in either Breitbart or Guido (can’t recall which).

      2. It makes no real difference to Brexit and Parliament is currently in recess anyway as it is the middle of the conference season. Are Labour going to abandon their conference ?

        Other than mike mischief there is nothing much they can do at present

      3. Boris is still executive and can withdraw Article 50.
        Labour would have to oppose that and put a motion to conference that they will leave the EU at the next election

  47. Well; are we surprised or are we surprised?
    Let’s hope the British voters (spit) don’t dare to vote the wrong way in any general election that the PTB graciously allow.

    1. Morning Anne,
      It was those very souls adhering to the
      don’t let in,hold the nose,vote tactically,
      brigade that has brought this upon us.
      NO credible opposition because it does not fit their family tree, tribal, voting pattern.
      Party before country, sod the consequences.
      This odious verdict has been delivered via the polling booth.

      1. It is more than just a little bit suspect that you always deflect attention away from the Globalist complicity in creating the current global political situation by victim blaming the UK electorate.

  48. “Lady Hale said the case is a “one-off”, having come about “in circumstances which have never arisen before and are unlikely to ever arise again”.

    She adds it was not a normal prorogation leading upto the Queen’s Speech. ”

    I would love to know what a ‘normal prorogation’ was. Boris should now go back to Her Majesty and ask her to prorogue parliament because it is a complete undemocratic sewer and needs cleaning out by the Electorate at a GE.

    1. From all that I’ve read and heard about this case I concluded that what was being ruled upon were opinions of Johnson’s motive in proroguing Parliament. Did Miller et al. present forensic testable evidence i.e. tape recordings, written notes, instructions etc to support their case that Johnson lied about his actions? If no tangible evidence was forthcoming then what were the Supreme Court ruling on other than people’s opinions of Johnson’s action. It’s claimed that the judges are imbued with great wisdom but is there any evidence that they can read the minds of the PM and his advisors? Is there anyone who is capable of clarifying what this was all about, if not about opinions.

        1. That’s the point of many opponents of the action and the judges’ ruling. There now exists precedent and lawyers love precedent.

      2. Hi Korky, how does anyone know what was being thought at a certain time? Also, where is the law that says the Queen has to be told of ALL the reasons a PM asks her to prorogue parliament?

        This is a political decision by the court, they are using powers that they do not rightly have. The whole thing is drifting exactly the way Blair wanted when he set up his ‘star chamber’.

    3. He must ask her to command an immediate general election to sort out the mess and then swallow his pride and show some real guts and make an electoral pact with Farage.

      1. I don’t think H.M. can command an election now. Surely Cameron’s Fixed Term Act took that away.

        1. The Fixed Term Act appears to have created unexpected consequences e.g. Parliament with the support of a partisan Speaker is capable of taking over the business of the House from the Government. The big question is; how unexpected were the consequences?

        2. That was the odious Clegg. He knew that after his betrayal of the students his coalition with wide boy, common as dirt, nouveau riche puffed up, arriviste Cameron would not last five minutes

          But how on earth did Mrs May manage to get a general election before the term was up? And come to that, how did the almost impotent Currie shagger Major get away with a prorogation unchallenged?

  49. Morning Each,
    This verdict has taken, especially since the mid 70s, years of
    supporting / voting for the lab/lib/con coalition we could not have reached this verdict without the electorates / party input.
    Hate / smear / political ignorance / lethargy took care of any credible opposition.
    Currently PC / Appeasement rule, OK.
    We have a form of mein kampf circulating, baton usage, loss of life and limbs etc only 20 plus miles away, so it follows that mass blood letting will follow within these Isles.

    1. If he continues to refuse to make a pact with Nigel Farage Boris Johnson should be banished to the deepest, darkest and most disease-ridden fornicatorium in Hell where Hammond and May distribute the laxatives!

    2. She may think it’s schadenfreude but soon it will be backpfeifengesicht’ –
      A face badly in need of a fist

      1. Now come on, that is a totally unacceptable call for violence and, no matter how much she deserves it and how much many would enjoy seeing it, including my self, it is totally uncalled for.
        {/sarc}

  54. From Corbyn

    “He added: “So, obey the law, take no-deal off the table and have an election to elect a government that respects democracy, that respects the rule of law and brings power back to the people, not usurps it in the way that Boris Johnson has done.

    “Conference, I thank you.””

    Does he think that now the SC have ruled Boris’s prorogation illegal he will get a big enough ‘bump’ in an election so he can win it? We need an election urgently, and the only way Corbyn will get power is by Boris fighting the Brexit Party. He needs to tell Cummings to grow the f’ck up and get talking to Farage.

    2. The finest judges money can buy?
      Edit: didn’t get the name of the book quite right in my first attempt.

  56. Could it be that Boris needed bringing down to earth?

    Could it be that this will act as reminder to him that Brexit must be a clean break and not something he can cook up behind the scenes and ‘prorogue the 17.4’?

    1. Morning E,
      You mean like what UKIP has been calling for as in
      “total severance”.
      The boris will follow the script as dictated via foreign input.

      1. Morning ogga.

        I don’t know enough about the man but he seems to be one who attempts to bulldoze things through.

        With that in mind, and having voted for May’s WA, is he going to try and bulldoze a watered down version of that WA?

        1. E,
          The ultimate aim for many lab/lib/con politico’s is to get his pin stripe clad arse to the mecca, brussels, & the super trough.
          Whilst awaiting the siren call from brussels they bone up on treachery within the UK ie, a
          bit of cash for questions, house flipping, expense is a good little bent earner along with a hard day of rubber stamping brussels bidding.
          Yet thanks to the electorate again & again pin
          stripe political garb mightily outweighs
          crowfeet garb.

    2. Maybe it will make him realise that without a pact with Farage then Brexit, the Conservative Party and Boris himself are finished.

      My fear is that we have grossly overrated his intelligence and that in many ways he is actually rather thick.

      1. I totally agree with your first point but think it’s more to do with over-confidence than being thick.

        I suspect the Tories’ poll ratings have a lot to do with a belief he’ll make a clean break in October. If that doesn’t look like being the case, I think there’ll be a backlash and more defections to the Brexit Party.

        1. I think it was Farage yesterday who stated that Johnson’s lead in the polls will fall by half as soon as people realise he is going to try and bring May’s failed WA back to life. Any such fall would preclude the Tories having a working majority. In the light of may’s WA being back on the table Farage will actively work against Johnson’s Tories. Could that be point at which some members of the ERG defect to the Brexit Party? What would they have to lose? They supported Johnson when he promised that the WA is dead and he would have betrayed their trust by reneging on his promise.

  57. All right everybody, calm down. What will be the immediate consequences of this decision? That Parliament is recalled at a time when it wouldn’t normally be sitting anyway? And if it is, what will it discuss that is hasn’t in the last three years and three months?

    FWIW, I thought Johnson’s actions were always likely to cause trouble. He and his team could have found another way to string it out to Oct 31st but it appears that Cummings didn’t have the right kind of cunning.

    We will be subjected to more crowing from triumphant Remainers but so what? Keep the faith.

    1. I think Boris did exactly the right thing at the time. To shut everyone up and get on with the job,
      I felt sorry for the pigeons, but throwing the cat among them was a good thing.

  59. Article in the DT by John Longworth. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/24/supreme-court-have-sided-usurping-remainers-people/

    Either John is a very quick writer or he was expecting this result. Most of us feared it but thought that the courts couldn’t be stupid enough to open this particular can of worms (Extra large can).

    “The Supreme Court have sided with usurping Remainers over the people
    JOHN LONGWORTH

    For centuries there has been a battle between the Anglo Saxon view of what constitutes a liberal, democratic constitution, centred on the people and liberty and the continental, “statist”, state-centred view.

    The continent is now coalescing into a new supranational state, long Britain’s nightmare, and with the help of those colluding directly or indirectly with that continental, foreign power: Blair, Benn, Major, Heseltine, Grieve etc, the “has-beens”, we are facing the prospect of a fundamental shift in our constitutional arrangements, possibly forever and without the consent of the people.

    Is this surprising? Not at all, given that the “statist” view of the world, exemplified by the technocratic dictatorship of Brussels and the poorly developed democracies of many continental states, does not place the people as sovereign, at variance with the British tradition.

    Our tradition has developed, with the support of the common law, over centuries and its modern underpinnings date back to the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. Crudely, the common law allows people to do what they like unless it is prohibited, while the continental, Roman or Napoleonic tradition codifies everything and prohibits people from doing anything, unless it is permitted.

    This is not just a dry legal matter, it defines in a most important way the cultural difference between the UK, and its former colonies and the Commonwealth including the USA, and those of the EU and why these two do not make good bedfellows. If you believe that people desire liberty, it also explains why continental Europeans spend so much time finding “work-arounds” and ways to cheat, it leads to corruption for good reasons of personal liberty and for bad reasons, because it gives the powerful too much power. It also may explain why so many Europeans have, over the centuries, escaped to America in order to find a right to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”.

    This philosophical underpinning of our society, legal system and constitution of government derived from the thinking tradition of: Milton, Hobbs, Sidney, Lilburne, Overton and Locke. These were further built upon by Adam Smith and Hulme in the enlightenment, once they had thrown off the continental Stuart Kings and enjoyed the freedom and wealth afforded by the Union of Great Britain. These collectively, also provided the roots of the foundation of the USA and their ideas were proclaimed loudly by Jefferson .

    All shared in various forms and stages of development a view that the individual trumps the state and that sovereignty and the right to govern are the gift of the people, not the other way around.

    Fast forward to today and we have a full blown constitutional crisis driven by the refusal of the losers of the democratic referendum to accept the result. Losers consent is at the heart of the concept of democracy otherwise it does not work. If the losers do not consent and contrive by whatever means- delay, revocation, more referenda, even by general elections prior to implementing the result to reverse it or ignore it, then no other vote will have legitimacy.

    Once the losers withdraw consent it leads to a breakdown whereby losers on all future occasions may refuse the result and thus the breakdown of democracy and an absence of legitimate government. The body of philosophical thought which underpins our society insists that the people are the source of government and of sovereignty and yet now we see the people being denied.

    The crisis does not stop there, it also extends to the separation of powers, a concept whose foundations lie in the likes of Locke and, ironically, were developed by the anglophile Frenchman, Montesquieu.

    We now have a Usurper Parliament which is positioning itself in place of government, substituting for the Executive. This is coupled with a politicised judiciary, who are supporting that new polity. The net consequence of this is to shift power and possibly powers, to the legislature and the judiciary such as to make the country ungovernable. A very dangerous game.

    Furthermore, the state of affairs in which this has been achieved is by individuals in collusion with a foreign power, very dangerous indeed and I suspect the first time this has happened without those colluding being called out for what they are.

    Since the Usurper Parliament has not been elected on a manifesto of being the government, we now have government without responsibility and without the consent of the people. They have no legitimacy.

    Likewise, as was pointed out by Simon Heffer in a recent piece, the Judiciary should expect to be treated like politicians if they decide to become politicians. Rather than being above politics, their personal views, pre-dispositions and vested interests become a matter for the public.

    It is arguable that courts have waded into politics simply by hearing the case on prorogation. It could certainly be said that the Supreme Court have completely ignored the origin of Parliament’s powers, that is the people. Whereas they in previous times kept well away from constitutional matters, they appear just as eager to get stuck in as they appear to have been to give away their rights to the ECJ. The fact that an unelected businesswoman can use wealth to bring to bear on the politics of the day by means of the unelected courts also raises questions.

    Most importantly, all this has been done in the face of a denial of the democratic will of the people. This is a most egregious and anti democratic power grab by the establishment for their own, narrow vested interests.

    Let us remind ourselves of the words of John Locke:

    Whenever the legislators endeavour to take away and destroy the property of the people (NB liberty and democracy are the people’s property) or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power ( NB such as that exercised by the EU), they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience, and are left to the common refuge, which God hath provided for all men, against force and violence”

    The Establishment should think hard about the consequences of its actions, they are acting against the the constitution, the social contract, the traditions of Britain and its people.

    John Longworth is Brexit Party MEP and Chairman of Leave means Leave”

  60. Labour Commits to another Referendum if it wins the next General Election. There will be two Remain Options Only and No Leave option
    Labour will not declare which option it will choose until after the General Election and may vote to Reject any deal it has negotiated and accepted with the EU.

    Best of luck with working that out although what they really mean is they will go with REMAIN but dont want to scare off the voters so are pretending they have not made their mind up

    The two choices will be

    BRINO Remain ( Mays Deall ++)

    Fully Remain

    1. Conference claims it’s a democratic party by accepting a vote by a questionable show of hands whilst ignoring the result of the Referendum.

  61. Hi folks, sorry to have neglected you. Just been banned fron twitter for 12 hours! What a day, I’m going to clear my head and return to the fray. This date will wind up in the history books.

    1. Banned? What did you say? I don’t go there much now, since they revamped the site. Everything just takes too long to load.

      1. Banned this morning for a fairly moderate post a few days ago (suggesting the castration of peados). I had however just made some pretty forthright comments about the judgement. Only a 12 hr ban.

    1. Johnson to resign. Corbyn invited to form a government. Article 50 revoked.
      Edit: changed repealed to revoked.

      2. The letter ‘t’ is situated next to the letter ‘r’ on most QWERTY keyboards. Easy to mistype, forgiveable error.

  64. Good morning, all.

    The wailing eco-freak and climate ‘activist’, Greta Thunberg, is still monopolising the news sobbing “You have stolen my dreams and my childhood!” to the UN climate action summit in New York.

    No, the people who have stolen her childhood are her exploitative parents, her father Svente Thunberg, a long-haired film director, and most particularly her mother, Malena Ernman.

    Ernman is a self-styled ‘opera singer’, whose less than successful career demanded that her children led an itinerant life, dragged around from pillar to post, while Ernman sought the worldwide fame and fortune that she felt was her due. In 2009, Ernman entered the Eurovision Song Contest, hoping to emulate ABBA and five other Swedish entries that had triumphed in previous years. She came in twenty-first out of twenty-five entries. Back to the drawing board! If she couldn’t achieve stardom with her warbling she would have to find another way. Quite cynically she conspired with the ‘Green activist’, Ingmar Rentzhog, to use her daughter as a front for making money. Thus was born the ‘School Strike for Climate’, when Rentzhog ‘just happened to pass’ Greta’s school and took a photo of her standing alone with a placard, which he then plastered all over social media. This was jumped-on by the usual climate-doomsayers and so the Thunberg climate crusade took off and books by Malena Ernman began to roll off the printing presses.

    Greta, who at the age of eleven refused to eat for two months, suffers from Asperger’s Syndrome, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and Selective Mutism, as does her sister, Beata, who on top of this, suffers from Attention Deficit Hyper Active Disorder and is prone to violent tantrums and hissy-fits. The truth about this ludicrous saga is that Greta, a mentally ill child from a dysfunctional family, has been used by her parents to create a cash cow and make the money that their ‘talents’ could not.

    Her full name is Greta Tintin Eleonora Ernman Thunberg. The fact that her parents chose to name their daughter after a Belgian cartoon character speaks volumes about the kind of twats they are. I suppose that had Greta been born a boy, they would have named him ”Haddock”.

      1. The idea of a socialist government is absolutely horrific. Mass unemployment, poverty and chaos await.

        Of course, they won’t suffer.

        Do you know what I’m exhausted by? The constant whinging from the Left.

    3. [ I suppose that had Greta been born a boy, they would have named him ”Haddock”.]

      ……………….or Snowy!

      2. It is a diminutive of “Martin”. Also the cop in “Spiral” whose surname is Fromentin.
        On one visit to France I met three called “Fifi”, two were men* and one was a little poodle.

        *Men as in “grown-up hairy heterosexuals”, for the avoidance of doubt.

    6. Here is a billboard outside Waterstone’s in Elgin, earlier this month. Climate change (NB not “global warming”) is now as officially accepted as is heliocentrism. There is no public challenge of this proposition and no visible opposition to the economic and cultural degradation that follows from it.

      But: “Unfortunately your image upload failed. Please verify that your image is in a supported format (JPEG, PNG, or GIF) and under 5MB. If you continue seeing this error, please try again later.”
      It is, and it is…and I did…

      Edit, please see above, or below if you are going the other way.

    7. The brats UN appearance did appear on our TV last night.

      It struck me that she was just like one of those spoilt children that are expected to do their party piece in front of a family gathering.

      So when she said that she should be in school, why did no one say “Quite right you should be, so why don’t you just fűke right off back there”.

    8. I watched a video this morning with Tucker Carlson looking into this Climate change lunacy, e.g. the Democrats talking about people eating less meat and then attending a big bbq cookout. I was going to post a link to it here.
      Unfortunately, all the videos that were there this morning, including the one I watched have been reduced down to just 1 or 2 seconds. I won’t say Google has censored these videos of Tucker, but it certainly looks like it.

    1. Even if 17.4 million got no further than each of the London railway termini it would be a huge demonstration of our anger!

  69. Bercow has ordered Parliament to reconvene tomorrow at 11.30. There will be no PMQs. He was spouting off somewhere. The Conservative Conference may need to be cancelled, which may be a good thing.

    1. Given the actions of a number of their prominent members in supporting the EU tooth & nail I think it would be a good thing if the entire Conservative Party is cancelled

    1. “The 23rd of September saw the 8th of 10 regional Brexit Party conferences.”

      Ten regional conferences. You won’t hear a word of that from the media with their blackout on information about how popular The Brexit Party really are. We are going to need as many of them as we can get in Parliament to stop what is being done to our country.

      With them and those real Conservative MP’s that are left, we can tell these pro-EU Quislings where to go and free our country. It is coming down to the wire now.

      1. In the light of the Supreme Court’s ruling I just stuck 25 metaphorical fingers up to the establishment……

    1. Democracy was throttled long, long ago. We’ve only just noticed her corpse when the establishment Left started hitting us with it.

  73. Well Bercow has wasted no time . He is recalling Parliament for tomorrow. What is the little poison dwarf going to get up to now

  74. I haven’t had time but perhaps a half decent journo could research the education of the 11 judges whom Corbyn & Co are currently praising. Couldn’t be that some, if not all were privately or grammar school educated and not one from ‘Bogstandard Comprehensive? Delicious irony if they all had the benefit of an ‘elite’ education so despised by the lefty Remainers.

    1. Of course they did. Eton then Oxbridge then the Inns of court.

      Same route for them all. Comically, Corbyn’s a screaming hypocrite and doesn’t see the problem with it as long as they obey him.

  75. European airline grounds all flights as it runs out of money

    Cannot say I have ever heard of them

    Adria Airways, the national airline of Slovenia, has halted all flights on Tuesday and Wednesday, 24 and 25 September.

    In a statement on its website, the carrier said: “Decision to temporarily cease flight operations is a consequence of currently unsecured access to fresh cash which airline needs for further flight operations.

  76. AS I understand it Parliament has to be Proroguing for the Queens Speech so this should get interesting

  77. If the proroguing was justiciable, then much that has happened in parliament recently is justiciable. Erskine May has been torn up by the Speaker on more than one occasion.

    Let there be equality. If one parliamentary action is justiciable, all should be justiciable.

    The violation of sovereign consent is another issue worthy of examination.

  78. Now the parasites can return to their well-feathered nest, where they will not allow anyone to vote for redundancy measures.

    (Never, ever, ever describe human beings or MPs as vermin, because that was a Narzi joke)

  79. Am I missing something here? The hearing went against proroguing simply because of the length of the prorogation. Assuming that the recess for conference season continues – as that is a completely different reason for Parliament not to be sitting – what is to stop Boris asking for a short (and therefore, clearly, legal) prorogation as soon as Parliament returns?

  80. Bloke gets home from work finds the wife watching a cooking program,
    What the hell are you watching that for you cant cook?
    Wife “You watch porn don’t you?”

    1. The spider should become the symbol of the Remainers, it suits them more than they will ever realise.

  82. Saul Bollocks reporting from the Labour Party conference:

    “Richard Burgon – the shadow justice secretary and Corbychev ally (this week) told The Guardian, “Some people thought we couldn’t build on that tired old recycled Soviet manifesto on which we lost in 2017, and that we had run out of bonkers old ideas. But this conference has proved the naysayers completely wrong: our thinking has disappeared even further down the rabbit hole and back in time to when Labour was a real socialist Party, around 1890.”
    Diane Abbot, meanwhile, is preparing motions to abolish domestic service, workhouses, means testing, serfdom, droit de seigneur, trial by water, witches, taithes and crucifixion…but not beheadings and female genital mutilation, as these represent cultural preferences, and must be respected.
    Nevertheless, Back to the Future remains the Big New Idea at Labour – as Momentum founder and Josef Stalin hagiographer Jon Lansman said last week, “We have to do what Thatcher did in reverse. We have to take decisive steps to both achieve a significant redistribution of power away from softie LibDem Mensheviks, and create a constituency in which an awful lot of people have an obvious stake in a continuing Labour government. That means employing huge swathes of Socialist Workers’ Party activists in Whitehall – especially at the Treasury…”

    More here: https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2019/09/24/on-the-other-hand-2/

  83. Which law has been broken, Mr Coleman?

    The damage is done

    Clive Coleman, BBC legal affairs spokesman

    Wow! This is legal, constitutional and political dynamite.

    It is worth just taking a breath and considering that a prime minister of the United Kingdom has been found by the highest court in the land to have acted unlawfully in shutting down the sovereign body in our constitution, Parliament, at a time of national crisis.

    The court may have fallen short of saying Boris Johnson had an improper motive of stymieing or frustrating parliamentary scrutiny, but the damage is done, he has been found to have acted unlawfully and stopped Parliament from doing its job without any legal justification.

    And the court has quashed both his advice to the Queen and the Order in Council which officially suspended parliament. That means Parliament was never prorogued and so we assume that MPs are free to re-enter the Commons.

    This is the most dramatic example yet of independent judges, through the mechanism of judicial review, stopping the government in its tracks because what it has done is unlawful.

    Be you ever so mighty, the law is above you – even if you are the prime minister.

    Unprecedented, extraordinary, ground breaking – it is difficult to overestimate the constitutional and political significance of today’s ruling.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49810261

    2. Stymieing or frustrating? Lady Hale used the s word, not the f word. Perhaps she is a keen Scottish golfer.

  84. I suppose it is a bit difficult to know if you are breaking the law when there has never been a judgement on it before and there is nothing written down, who gave Boris the advise?

    2. Or if the judges decide to rewrite the laws or guidelines after you’ve been arrested.
      See Tommy Robinson’s recent court hearing, where the judges literally rewrote the Judicial College Guidelines on information already in the public domain.

  86. The Lords Reed and Carnwarth were sitting on this case. They were two of the three dissenting judges in the Miller case in 2017 (the third was Lord Hughes, since retired). They have changed their minds on the duties of judges. Here’s Charles Moore writing in the Spectator after the Article 50 judgement:

    The English tradition of dissenting judgments in the important cases of the civil law is a good one. They are often better than the majority ones, because they tend to be advanced by judges who resist the self-aggrandisement of their profession. In the Miller case on triggering Article 50, before the Supreme Court, Lords Reed, Carnwath and Hughes dissented. This is what Lord Reed says about: ‘…the argument that withdrawal from the EU would alter domestic law and destroy statutory rights, and therefore cannot be undertaken without a further Act of Parliament, has to be rejected even if one accepts that the 1972 Act creates statutory rights and that withdrawal will alter the law of the land. It has to be rejected because it ignores the conditional basis on which the 1972 Act gives effect to EU law. If Parliament grants rights on the basis, express or implied, that they will expire in certain circumstances, then no further legislation is needed if those circumstances occur. If those circumstances comprise the UK’s withdrawal from a treaty, the rights are not revoked by the Crown’s exercise of prerogative powers: they are revoked by the operation of the Act of Parliament itself.’ That’s it, in a nutshell.

    Lord Reed also makes this more general pronouncement: ‘…controls over the exercise of ministerial powers under the British constitution are not solely, or even primarily, of a legal character. Courts should not overlook the constitutional importance of ministerial accountability to Parliament. Ministerial decisions in the exercise of prerogative powers, of greater importance than leaving the EU, have been taken without any possibility of judicial control: examples include the declarations of war in 1914 and 1939. For a court to proceed on the basis that if a prerogative power is capable of being exercised arbitrarily or perversely, it must necessarily be subject to judicial control, is to base legal doctrine on an assumption which is foreign to our constitutional traditions. It is important for courts to understand that the legalisation of political issues is not always constitutionally appropriate, and may be fraught with risk, not least for the judiciary.’ Lord Reed is right, and the speed of political change since the Divisional Court first looked at the case in the autumn shows this. As the majority in the Supreme Court sat there attempting ‘the legalisation of political issues’, events have left them looking a bit high and dry.

  87. A tyranny of judges. Spiked. Brandan O’Neill. 24th September 2019.

    What we have seen emerge via this judgement is a borderline tyrannical layer in British politics. A layer that stands above everyone and everything, including the government itself. A layer of unrepresentative, unaccountable individuals who have now presumed the authority to strike down actual government decisions. This instantly weakens any future government’s claim to moral and political authority and their basic ability to relate to parliament, to negotiate treaties, and to act on the will of the people. The precedent set today is that any of that might potentially be subject to the higher, apparently wiser judgement of politicised courts. It is an outrage.

    Yes what we have seen today is rule by the people finished and rule by legal fiat installed. Any future legislation that the Elites dislike will be taken to courts as corrupt as the Star Chamber and overturned with no right of appeal!

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/09/24/a-tyranny-of-judges/

  89. “I never want to hear Boris Johnson or any other Brexiteer say again that the European Union is undemocratic, ” tweeted Guy Verhofstadt, the European Parliament’s Brexit Coordinator.

  90. I wonder if Lady Hale’s spider brooch refers to Walter Scott’s lines “Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practise to deceive”?

    1. I thought it the very personification of its wearer. Ugh. It made me shudder. Not an attractive item (either of them).

  91. Afternoon all. This wouldn’t happen to G. Miller ….

    Out on a Date

    Dorothy: “That nice George Johnson asked me out for a date. I know you went out with him last week, and I wanted to talk with you about him before I
    give him my answer.”

    Ardelle: “Well, I’ll tell you. He shows up at my apartment punctually at 7pm, dressed like such a gentleman in a fine suit, and he brings me such beautiful
    flowers! Then he takes me downstairs. And what’s there; a limousine, uniformed chauffeur and all. Then he takes me out for dinner; a marvelous dinner, lobster, champagne, dessert, and after-dinner drinks.
    Then we go see a show. Let me tell you Dorothy, I enjoyed it so much I could have just died from pleasure! So then we are coming back to my apartment, and he turns into an ANIMAL. Completely crazy, he tears off my expensive new dress and has his way with me three times!”

    Dorothy: “Goodness gracious! So you are telling me I shouldn’t go?”

    Ardelle: “No, no, no! I’m just saying, wear an old dress!”

  92. Remember, other countries who have a Supreme Court also have similar problems. Often a triumph of law over common sense.
    Legalistic box tickers. And often as with us now, political bias against the wishes of the people.
    To protect us from tyrants ? Don’t be silly.

      1. I thought it was you, Polly, but it seems – according to Duncan Mac – that it is Socrates.

    3. To have a Supreme Court with its associated powers, requires a written constitution against which cases can be judged. Given that the UK does not have one, their findings are merely opinions. Bliddy Blair again.

          6. I prefer Cous.

            [I refuse to waste ink by unnecessarily doubling its name. Same goes for the band, Duran, and the condition, Beri.]

          7. My bugbear is the South American liberator Simon Bolivar (who gave his name to a classical orchestra and who is pronounced Seemon Boleevar. Most Brits pronounce it as “Symon Bollyvar”.

          9. It’s far easier – for the rest of the sane, thinking, Western World to refer to her as “The Greeting Thunderbug”. (Greeting as in Scottish crying).

          12. Did you mean ¿Que?, Horace?

            ‘Key-noir’ is the uneducated person’s way of pronouncing quinoa.

          13. I did. My education lacks any real knowledge of Spanish. (I did guess you were referring to quinoa.)

  96. “Pound surges against the euro and US dollar as Supreme Court rules Boris Johnson unlawfully shut down Parliament”
    I just checked the pound/dollar rate. It is only a few cents different from yesterday. Is the surge the same thing as a collapse ? ( a media invention )

    1. Against the euro it is 1.13 – as it was three days ago.

      When I last looked it was actually lower against the Turkish lira having fallen from 7.28 earlier in the week to 7.05 today.

      1. No. If Brexit were truly important to Boris he would be working with Nigel Farage.

        His refusal to do so is bringing sheer delight to the Remainer Camp.

  98. I was just out in the car about an hour or so ago, and the BBC News came on. I don’t know whom the announcer was, but he was absolutely gloating as he read out his prepared report.

  99. The Judges have decided that we are to remain in the EU. The rest is waffle, and the pretence about the backstop can now be discarded.

  101. How are the supreme court judges picked. ? Who picks them. I see Blairs hands all over this. Unelected people with the final say cannot be right in any true democracy.

          1. Thatcher stated in writing that she would never have agreed that Britain should lose its sovereignty by joining the EU. And she was different – she hauled Britain out of the economic disaster that was the Callaghan government.

          2. Ha ha ha you live in a different world to me. She was saved by a war. She systematically destroyed industry after industry. After all your class just depend on the financial sector and farming for toffs aka the landed inbred gentry.
            On the subject of the war. Did we have satellite technology back then? Obviously wasn’t very good if it didn’t pick up troop build ups. Or didn’t we have an embassy in Argentina?

          1. Wrong as ever. If you’d have said since 1948 I’d have given you half a tick. 1914 3/4 of a tick. I just came here as I’d forgotten your name. You’ll be mentioned in despatches, shortly.

          3. This is the reply from the Farage Bot on BB.
            “I’m just trying to imagine what would motivate someone to look at the evidence and yet arrive at such a weird conclusion. So what is your motivation, just a lefty Farage hater? What is it, because what your saying isn’t rational.
            I’ve already answered your weak point. He didn’t cede defeat, that would suggest he did something official. It’s just like watching your team go behind early in, the signs look bad so you mentally prepare yourself for the worst, but you still hold hope it will turn around. If Saints go one nil down to Pompey tonight I’ll moan “ffs, we’re gonna get beaten by the Skates”. In your mind that proves I am actually a Pompey fan despite supporting Saints for 40 years.
            He merely took a pessimistic view early on. Jesus wept, forgive the guy, he was exhausted and probably a little deflated seeing the early polls. That doesn’t mean he wanted to lose or he’d given up, it was out of his hands so what he said at that point had zero affect. He was clearly delighted to be wrong. I can’t see why you think it has any relevance, nevermind give it so much weight that it supercedes all the guy has done to achieve brexit, It’s bizarre, even insane”
            I rest my case.

          4. The feeling is mutual, but you did once prove useful.

            “Wow! What a wonderful put down. I must remember never to use it. You seem to be a fully paid up Farage bot.

            I used to take great delight in winding up the original UKIP bot, ogga1. I then asked him a lot of questions about Farage some he told me & some to go find out myself. Emily Enso chipped in with some info and the name Janice Atkinson. The info I gleaned more than confirmed what Farage is about.

            Vladimir Ilyitch summed it up best, if we are to control the opposition we must run it ourselves.

            Please answer my question what was the difference between Farage’s ceding defeat to his victory speech? I’ll throw in, why did he take it upon himself to cede defeat so early on? Giving himself airs and graces?”

          6. Yes, but my point is that there is no change in his demeanour in both speeches. Same with Johnson when he made his victory speech. Basically they both had failed in their clandestine tasks. The only passionate speech that morning that I saw was by Cameron.

            I couldn’t find it but there is a Peter Hitchens interview from College Green that morning with a Remainer and interviewer. Hitchens just could not, try as he might, control his happiness. That’s how I and am sure you felt on that wonderful June morning. James Alexander Gordon used to put more umph in reading the football results than Johnson and Farage showed in their victory speeches.

    3. If the Supreme Court Judges wish to meddle in constitutional matters in this way, then they should st a for election and let the people decide. There is no longer separation between the justice system and the political one, as various Remainers and others have insisted is the case.

  102. We must have a General Election as soon as possible. Its the only way forward as Boris will never achieve brexit.

    1. And unless Boris makes an electoral pact with Nigel Farage – who has offered his support – Brexit is dead and buried.

      From the DT Live Thread:

      Boris Johnson hits back at Supreme Court ruling saying people want to ‘frustrate Brexit’ and ‘stop this country coming out of the EU’

      Pots and Kettles you bumbling old Bonker Boris! You are frustrating Brexit yourself by your failure to form a pact the TBP

  103. To bow to this judgment would be to choose Supreme Court-ocracy over our constitutional monarchy
    ANDREW LILICO – 24 SEPTEMBER 2019 • 1:45PM

    The Supreme Court has ruled that the prorogation of Parliament for five weeks was unlawful. But so what? Parliamentary prorogation is not a legal matter. The logic of the government’s stance during the case – that the Supreme Court has no jurisdiction here – is that it should simply ignore the ruling.

    If Parliament chooses to “meet” before the Queen’s Speech and opening of Parliament, the government should ignore anything it “decides” in that time – withholding Royal Assent from any “Bills” it “passes”. Prorogation is a royal power. If you didn’t like the Queen’s decision, appeal to the Queen to change it. If you don’t like that she doesn’t change it, propose a new monarch or propose the abolition of the monarchy.

    It is not for courts. The Supreme Court ruled that it did have the power to rule on this matter. But so what? It was none of its business. It does not become its business just because the Supreme Court says it is. To claim that is to claim that the Supreme Court, not the Monarch, is the ultimate font of law. It is to claim that we no longer live in a constitutional monarchy but instead live in a Supreme Court-ocracy.

    In that sense, to accept today’s judgement is to abolish the constitutional monarchy. If that is indeed what we’re going to do, the very next thing we should debate is the abolition of the Supreme Court-ocracy, because Supreme Court-ocracy is a strange form of unelected unaccountable oligarchy. If we are indeed now to accept rule by Supreme Court justices, the very least we should do is to debate how our new overlords are chosen.

    We need political hearings for them. We need to know their beliefs. We need to be able to anticipate how they will rule us. Alternatively, the government could ignore the ruling. Some will say “The government must obey the law.” But if the Supreme Court has no jurisdiction here, its judgments do not determine or constitute the law. So to ignore them would not be illegal.

    The question really, genuinely is: do we consider the Monarchy the ultimate font of our constitution, or do we now live in some form of republic, under a Supreme Court? That may seem a dramatic thing to say, but it is the reality now.

    To bow to this judgement is to destroy the constitutional monarchy – and implies huge further constitutional change as a result. To ignore it is to uphold the constitutional monarchy. Boris Johnson must now choose.

      1. There are those who’ll hope he’ll fail because they
        think It’ll help the Nigel Fàrage. If Boris Johnson
        fails then It’ll be straight into the hands
        of the Marxists. Noise from outside the tent is
        irrelevant.Power brings authority and all else is
        all sound and fury.

        1. Most of us here just want a clear, clean Brexit. If Boris achieves this then that will be great but if, because of pig-headed stupidity, he fails then our country will be lost.

          1. The man isn’t a fool, he’s a classicist and one with
            ruthless determination. Boris Johnson has said
            we’ll leave the EU on the 31/10/19 and we’ll do
            just that.

  104. The Supreme Court has now involved itself in politics. Goodness knows where this will take us, but with the Poison Dwarf back in the Brexit driving seat this really isn’t going to end well. The crowing from Grieve and the other traitors will be heard in outer space.

      1. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b43c29e3ba0dcd911e2163858bf808faabfec5b439934b25b83bf7a743c0f609.jpg

        Sad but true. Many people are now understanding that this is an ideology that we are up against. In our own green and pleasant land we have those who want to impose tyranny upon us all, take away our freedoms and grind us into the dirt.

        This is not just political argument and difference of opinion in a democracy anymore. These people’s actions will kill many of us and the ones we love. They are happy with that. Mass deaths are not something that worry dictators too much. We will only have one more chance to stop these people in the next election. If they let us have one at all.

        Five more years of them wielding power and we won’t know our own country anymore as their darkness deepens. It is getting harder to recognise it even now.

  105. There you have it.
    The courts are running the country via brussels input.
    Will compensation be paid for these offended MPs who’s characters have been besmirched ?
    ‘

  106. According to Nigel Farage……

    ”Billions have been spent…… to undermine the nation state”.

  108. President Trump is giving a fine speech at the United Nations that will certainly upset some people. He is praising those who have pride in their own countries and has just said:

    “The future does not belong to globalists, the future belongs to patriots. The future belongs to sovereign and independent nations who protect their citizens, respect their neighbours, and honour the differences that make each country special and unique.”

    That is a welcome slap to the European Union and those globalists trying to take over our country. “Respecting their citizens?” That is against the fundamental aims of “The European Project.”

  109. The EU are mocking Boris Johnson and the Marxists
    are foaming from the mouth but he’s not going to be
    the blink first. Boris Johnson is on fire In New York,
    he has said he won’t resign and he will deliver Brèxit.
    It shows the measure of a man who stays calm when under
    fire. Go for It Boris, the people verses parliament.

    2. A,
      Probably something he picked up from Gerard Batten the original cool,calm,collected political unit.
      All he has to do now is put into practise what he is preaching.
      Total severance.

  110. Whilst the traitors among us are crowing and the BBC is wetting itself I think the Supreme Court has put itself next in line for abolition.

    Their judgement on prorogation is riddled with faults and shows a pro-EU Remainer bias. What was Gina Miller’s appeal for judicial review if not political viz. an attempt to stop Brexit at any financial cost?

    We were warned about judicial creep into our politics by Lord Sumption in his excellent Reith Lectures. I doubt these decrepit poseurs in the Chicken Supreme Court bothered to listen and should have taken his advice.

    1. I suggested that below. But not for giggles. The ECJ would have to be convened and would have to hear the case. Time passes. Their decision would over-ride that of the Supreme Court. While the overall decision may well be the same, the action required might be different. The ECJ might not pass the ball to Bercow. Moreover, that a foreign court holds sway over not just our entire judicial system, but over our Parliament and traditions, and by extension over our Monarch, just might open a few eyes.

        1. Probably. But not today. Every little helps.
          From the point of the EU Commission etc they might not find it desirable for their judges tell Governments what they can and cannot do, as it might get tried on them?

  114. Are the 11 judges the same as those that sat on the Article 50 case? Media articles suggested they† were Remainers by at least 8:2 with one a bit of a fence-sitter.

    †EDIT:
    By ‘they’ I mean the Article 50 case judges.

    1. What a lot of spectatotosh !

      Parliament can’t frustrate the will of the people because parliament is elected by the people ?

      Elected representatives represent the people ?

      Hahaha……

    1. I’m glad your glass is now half-full. You used to sign off “See you tomorrow, DV” as if Deus might not…

          1. I used to believe – but since 2008 when the Bishop let everyone in our parish down, and the CofE PTB told us we were wrong about everything, I just stopped believing.

            Lucky I am not a slammer, I suppose.

          2. Bill Thomas – The Church of England priesthood has been infiltrated by marxist atheists over the past 50 years, so of course they don’t want you to believe in God. They don’t. Even the ArchBish Welby has said that when he looks around at the evils in the world he sometimes questions if God is there. Fine words for the head of a church.

            In many cases now, a priest or vicar is the last person you should listen to if you want to find any sort of “divine path.” They are too busy hugging members of islam and calling them peaceful. Which should be a big clue as to where their loyalties really lie.

          3. Remember the Archbish of York who said the resurrection was a “conjuring trick with bones”? Why are they in the Church at all?

            But then when you look at history, most of them went into the Church because they were younger sons, or whatever. How Christian were the fanatics who burnt dissenters at the stake? How could they claim to be followers of Christ?

  118. Just woke up. Looked at news. What was that about the Supreme Court concerned with the law and not with the politics ?

  120. So the supreme court are above sovereignty now are they,
    The Queen is illegal. Bias judges rule instead of rule of the people .
    A captive PM and everything heading towards a toxic Marxist
    government.. The fools.

    2. I would call them bas*ards not fools. They know what they are doing and where they are trying to take us.

      They are just not open about it because people would become very violent to defend themselves against such an obvious threat.

      1. My husband agrees with you, he says it’s a all a setup
        to help remain and to ensure Labour ( with the help of the SNP and Lib Dems )
        get in. I did a course last year ( philosophy) the course Leader
        whose a historian said to us that history and states that the
        conditions we face now are ripe for a revolution.
        The people will be heard one way or another.

        2. I mostly agree. 🙂

          But I don’t think that the globalists care about political parties in individual countries very much. They will use people such as Tony Blair, Theresa May or Hammond no matter which party they are in. This action today was to put the idea in place that the courts can overrule democratically elected politicians, even when they have done nothing wrong.

          We will live under the rule of “their law” instead of the will of the people in a democracy. I do agree with the last part of your comment though. They will keep pushing until they have us bound, gagged and defenceless. Soon there will be no choice but to take some very direct action. They won’t stop if we ask them nicely.

  121. WE now have n interesting situation. The Queen as Head of State approved it so it is still legal but the High Court Judge are trying to pretend they can over rule the Queen. I can see another legal challenge coming on

    1. The Attorney General advised the Cabinet that the Prorogation was legal. The evidence was presented to the court but with the relevant details redacted. [DT Summary of today;s events]

    1. The nine month delay was a pro eu neon sign as big as an elephants arse warning the three monkey brigade, all to no avail.

  123. So the mother and father of the house have been called to
    parliament as will Boris Johnson.
    So just wait until a second referendum shall be put forward
    unless Brexit is cancelled without one. And Corbyn placed
    as PM without an election. It all stinks to high heaven .

    Jo Swinson says that parliament is the voice of the people,
    utterly deluded and wrong. The people have no representation in
    parliament.

    1. The people have the representation in parliament that they chose. The fact is MPs have forever and a day put the needs of the party ahead of the needs of the country and the wants of individual constituents. If you want change why do we keep voting in the same useless MPs because they are the people that ‘have experience’.

  124. My wife is shouting at the TV in the kitchen. Corbyn is in full flow claiming to speak for ‘us’ the people. That evil hypocritical oaf doesn’t speak for me.

    3. https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/09/23/farage-labour-becoming-a-corbyn-cult-waging-relentless-war-for-hard-left/

      Farage: Labour Becoming a Corbyn ‘Cult’ Waging ‘Relentless War’ for Hard-Left

      “Labour members at the conference — where delegates routinely refer to each other as “comrade” — were polled at 50 as being embarrassed by singing the national anthem against 20 in favour, 48 per cent in favour of abolishing borders against 25 in favour of retaining them, and 43 per cent of being ashamed of Britain against 15 per cent who were proud.”

      I despair.

      1. Strange that our media and particularly the BBC continue to attack Russia on all aspects but praises Corbyn and gives the idiot as much airtime as he wants. Russia has moved on. Corbyn is still swamped in the student politics of his youth.

    1. Tommy Robinson, in his book, Enemy of the State:

      “I was intrigued when the evangelist Christian minister Colin Dye asked to meet us in London and said he’d been talking to a leading figure in the Baptist church, who told him he’d been asked by the Queen herself ‘how long her country had’ – in reference to Islam – and he’d replied ‘no more than 60 years ma’am.’ True? I don’t know, but neither do I know why these people would lie to me.”

      Sixty years? Not even that. Especially if/when Labour get in (God forbid).

  126. The total rubbish Corbyn is spouting is beyond belief people dying from lack of medicines
    . people starving on the streets from lack of food, Workers Rights torn up. All environmental legislation shredded

    Clearly his age is showing and he has become confused. He is really talking about Venezuela

    2. The media have given him a lot of space recently and treat him as being on a par with any other party. He must be a really nice man who wants to do his best for his friends Marx, Lenin and Stalin.

    3. Jeremy is getting wild applause from his audience at every massive spend he announces. The money will come from the top 5% of earners.[ more hysterical applause] There will need to be a lull for the Tory Party Conference or will that be postponed?

    4. Bill, for many people the medicines issue is a matter of life or death. Some of the really vital stuff (biologic) comes from our beloved partners in Europe, and if the EU Commission were to prohibit pharmaceutical exports to the UK until the Treasury coughed up £39 billion, people would die.

  127. “‘We cannot trust parliament we need citizen run assemblies
    and this is more important then Brèxit , we need a written constitution ”

    According to Corbyn .

    Of course the Marxists will write the constitution
    get rid of the Queen and stop Brèxit.
    A marxist republic totalitarian dictatorship of joined Labour / SNP and Lib Dems.

  128. On the plus side the not really Supreme Court ruling means political decisions can be tried by a court.

    Roll up, roll up all those soldiers and Iraqi civilians who suffered as a consequence of Tony Blair’s nasty little Middle Eastern adventure.

  129. A remainer Speaker and Remainer judges. It is unheard of for 11 judges all to come to the same decision particularly when the lower courts came to the opposite verdict

      1. The Judges have to be wrong. The Queen signed it and she is head of state

        The Judges are trying to fudge that by saying it never really happened which has to be total nonsense

    2. For such a new and complex case it is amazing that they came to a unanimous decision over a weekend. Had it been that they were of the opinion that it was not their business, I would have believed that decision.

      2. Especially has they claimed at the start that it was highly complex

        Interestingly these Judges came to a decision quicker than the commons and Lords took to sign a 1 sentence document ie article 50

  130. Gosh the Judges tried to confused it even more by saying he id not act illegally but acted unlawfully. Soome how they are trying to pretend there is some real difference

      1. As in ‘illegal’ is against the law, but ‘unlawful’ isn’t because there’s not a law to cover the occasion?

          2. So the courts could say that if I played Conkers on a Sunday and the law was silent on that I acted unlawfully

          1. That reminds me of the debate between tax evasion and tax avoidance.

            Both words are synonymous, yet are somehow considered different in law!

  131. It is looking from various radio station callers that this Judges decision has backfired big time and even many remainers are aghast

  134. Is it worth the Queen signing any legislation etc now when High Court Judges can simply say No Mam you never really signed it. was just a figment of your imagination

  135. So all as predicted it has taken three years but our remain Parliament along with Boris’s help have finally choreographed and engineered a way of keeping us locked into the Super state.

    1. B,
      On the cards on the 25/6/2016 to the fanfare of
      “victory, job done, leave it to the tory party.”
      Echoed by “no further use for UKIP, the only, as proven,
      to be, true pro English / GB party from its conception.

    2. Even before the referendum I recognised that actually achieving Brexit would require much more than just a ballot box success. The journey has only just begun, we must keep going now until a full Brexit is achieved – no surrender. They are quite obviously rattled, but don’t forget, they have been stealthily implementing their agenda for decades, possibly longer.

  137. We have seen a man pronounced guilty today by the highest court in the land. No witnesses or evidence, just opinion and hearsay. A good thing it’s not an important matter.

  138. It’s a great pity that the Queen is not an old fashioned monarch, who would deal appropriately with a bunch of commoners stating that the Crown’s actions were unlawful and should be overruled.

    “Who will rid me of these turbulent lawyers”.

  140. A comment from elsewhere goes to the heart of the matter

    “The Supreme Court have found against HM Queen.

    It is HM Queen who prorogues Parliament, the PM only advises.

    This
    is the true constitutional position and the crisis is the usurpation of
    the Crown by a judiciary acting in the interest of the EU and its
    Republican power structure.

    This is the real coup, carried out by the so called Supreme Court which is actually subordinate to EU law.

    Why is no one in the media even mentioning this?”

    1. The judges fudged around that. They decided the proroguing of parliament never happened so the Queen never really signed anything

      Clearly that totally nonsense but that what the decided, They dressed it up though in fancy legal language

          1. I do not understand the game of cricket, have no interest in sport nor Sky Sports. I do not own a TV set, nor do I pay for a TV licence or a subscription to Sky. So I have no idea who David “Bumble” Lloyd is, nor do I wish to know.

      2. Yup. I earlier described that cabal of pro-EU Remainers as The Chicken Supreme Court. I could have described them as the Chicken in a Basket Court I suppose. They are all basket cases wedded to the EU and its Court the ECJ.

  141. Democracy has totally gone

    Even Remainers are aghast at how democracy is being overruled by many MP’s, the Lords, The Speaker and now the Judges it is a joke as is the MP’s that flit from party to party

    WE are now fighting for Democracy as we have no democracy now

  142. The ultimate laugh could be if it goes to the European court and they find the Law Lords acted unlawfully

    1. The more you see and hear of John Major the more you realise what a stinking putrid piece of excrement he is.

      Why isn’t the MSM bombarding us with stories such as this about this nasty little excuse for a man?

    2. Nothing there that did not come out at the time. What is more of an issue is the way he rammed the EU agreement through an unwilling parliament after refusing to have a referendum, as he knew the answer would be “no”.

      Not an admirable person.

      1. I wonder how many Nottlers know the details as revealed in the The Scotsman ?

        As nobody has ever mentioned this, probably not one ?

          1. Yes, but did you know about this action which apparently was settled out of court.

            Did the defendant get a refund ?

          2. No idea. But we all know Major was a liar, a hypocrite and had very poor judgement when he was PM, and because of him we were saddled with Blair and all that has happened since.

        2. Most of this stuff came out after Edwina Currie published her biography, detailing her affair with him.

  144. Common Law

    In law, common law (also known as judicial precedent or judge-made law) is the body of law derived from judicial decisions of courts and similar tribunals. The defining characteristic of “common law” is that it arises as precedent. In cases where the parties disagree on what the law is, a common law court looks to past precedential decisions of relevant courts, and synthesizes the principles of those past cases as applicable to the current facts.

    So the Law Lords seem to be both claiming common law does not count but also it does count
    There decision can in my view only be political

  147. The Speaker will state tomorrow that he is overruling the Government and will state that we will remain in the EU. He has discovered that under a law passed in 1411 he is allowed to do this

  149. Well going by these ruling Parliament will only be able to into recess for a maximum of 4 days. Bang foes there long summer holidays

      1. ‘Evening, Geoff.

        A number of us ask him this on a frequent basis but it has no effect. He has said that he expects us to do his proofreading for him.

        I shan’t!

          1. You are quite elusive and mysterious yourself 😉
            Says the Saxon daughter of Alfred of Wessex,
            If only a few Anglo Saxons could awake from their
            sleep and sort the country out.

          4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake%27s_Drum

            DRAKE he’s in his hammock an’ a thousand mile away,
            (Capten, art tha sleepin’ there below?)
            Slung atween the round shot in Nombre Dios Bay,
            An’ dreamin’ arl the time o’ Plymouth Hoe.
            Yarnder lumes the island, yarnder lie the ships,
            Wi’ sailor lads a-dancin’ heel-an’-toe,
            An’ the shore-lights flashin’, an’ the night-tide dashin’
            He sees et arl so plainly as he saw et long ago.
            Drake he was a Devon man, an’ ruled the Devon seas,
            (Capten, art tha sleepin’ there below?),

            Rovin’ tho’ his death fell, he went wi’ heart at ease,
            An’ dreamin’ arl the time o’ Plymouth Hoe,
            “Take my drum to England, hang et by the shore,
            Strike et when your powder’s runnin’ low;
            If the Dons sight Devon, I’ll quit the port o’ Heaven,
            An’ drum them up the Channel as we drummed them long ago.”
            Drake he’s in his hammock till the great Armadas come,
            (Capten, art tha sleepin’ there below?),
            Slung atween the round shot, listenin’ for the drum,
            An’ dreamin’ arl the time o’ Plymouth Hoe.
            Call him on the deep sea, call him up the Sound,
            Call him when ye sail to meet the foe;
            Where the old trade’s plyin’ an’ the old flag flyin’,
            They shall find him, ware an’ wakin’, as they found him long ago

            Henry Newbolt

            Hope this helps, Ethel.

          6. Henry Newbolt Drake’s Drum DRAKE he’s in his hammock an’ a thousand mile away, (Capten, art tha sleepin’ there below?) Slung atween the round shot in Nombre Dios Bay, An’ dreamin’ arl the time o’ Plymouth Hoe. Yarnder lumes the island, yarnder lie the ships, 5 Wi’ sailor lads a-dancin’ heel-an’-toe, An’ the shore-lights flashin’, an’ the night-tide dashin’ He sees et arl so plainly as he saw et long ago. Drake he was a Devon man, an’ ruled the Devon seas, (Capten, art tha sleepin’ there below?), 10 Rovin’ tho’ his death fell, he went wi’ heart at ease, An’ dreamin’ arl the time o’ Plymouth Hoe, “Take my drum to England, hang et by the shore, Strike et when your powder’s runnin’ low; If the Dons sight Devon, I’ll quit the port o’ Heaven, 15 An’ drum them up the Channel as we drummed them long ago.” Drake he’s in his hammock till the great Armadas come, (Capten, art tha sleepin’ there below?), Slung atween the round shot, listenin’ for the drum, An’ dreamin’ arl the time o’ Plymouth Hoe. 20 Call him on the deep sea, call him up the Sound, Call him when ye sail to meet the foe; Where the old trade’s plyin’ an’ the old flag flyin’, They shall find him, ware an’ wakin’, as they found him long ago.

          7. Drake’s Drum
            DRAKE he’s in his hammock an’ a thousand mile away,
            (Capten, art tha sleepin’ there below?)
            Slung atween the round shot in Nombre Dios Bay,
            An’ dreamin’ arl the time o’ Plymouth Hoe.
            Yarnder lumes the island, yarnder lie the ships,
            Wi’ sailor lads a-dancin’ heel-an’-toe,
            An’ the shore-lights flashin’, an’ the night-tide dashin’
            He sees et arl so plainly as he saw et long ago.

            Drake he was a Devon man, an’ ruled the Devon seas,
            (Capten, art tha sleepin’ there below?),
            Rovin’ tho’ his death fell, he went wi’ heart at ease,
            An’ dreamin’ arl the time o’ Plymouth Hoe,
            “Take my drum to England, hang et by the shore,
            Strike et when your powder’s runnin’ low;
            If the Dons sight Devon, I’ll quit the port o’ Heaven,
            An’ drum them up the Channel as we drummed them long ago.”

            Drake he’s in his hammock till the great Armadas come,
            (Capten, art tha sleepin’ there below?),
            Slung atween the round shot, listenin’ for the drum,
            An’ dreamin’ arl the time o’ Plymouth Hoe.
            Call him on the deep sea, call him up the Sound,
            Call him when ye sail to meet the foe;
            Where the old trade’s plyin’ an’ the old flag flyin’,
            They shall find him, ware an’ wakin’, as they found him long ago.

  151. More clear and irrebuttable evidence of the plummeting decline in intelligence within the human species (a.k.a. mankind).

    A comment on a YouTube channel, and my response to it:

    Jamie Martin
    1 day ago

    fucking idiot??????????????????????

    @Jamie Martin Is English not your first language? What is the point of your irrational interjection? What does it mean? To whom are you referring? What does a nonsensical line of 22 question marks mean? Why do you not use capital letters to commence a comment? Are you an escapee from a lunatic asylum? I have, for some time, noticed an exponential, invidious and unstoppable rise in the stupidity of the human species; the evidence is presented daily. Are you just one small piece of such evidence confirming my theory? Answers in the form of a grunt will be expected.

    2. But Grizz “Mankind” no longer exists – In future we should refer to the species as Bassett’s All Sorts…..

      1. But Steve,

        No one (and I mean no one, especially those in government) ever tells me what I can or cannot say. I thought you knew that! :•)

  152. Evening, all. Socialists intend to make everyone equal by bringing everyone down to the lowest rung of the ladder. Me. I’d prefer to drag everybody up to the top and make them equal that way. If they all had equal opportunities, but didn’t make the most of them, then it would be up to them and no point in wailing it was somebody else’s fault they didn’t succeed.

    1. I think that I typed this comment a year ago in another place. Things have gone considerably downhill since then and we are further along path no.2 than we were.

      Two theoretical models for society:

      1: A highly educated population, well versed in classical and modern philosophy and the different schools of morality, with all of their basic needs met. Limited time is required to work to achieve a fulfilling lifestyle and there is much time to think and ask questions. Access to authority is easy as only those with a sense of duty are trusted with power, and they are open.

      2: A poorly educated population who find it difficult to articulate ideas that something is wrong. Working hard from pay check to pay check to make sure that bills are paid and a roof is kept over their heads. Limited time or no access to those who make the decisions. Too afraid of falling through societies net and ending up homeless to question authority.

      If you are an unpleasant human being who has clawed their way to the top and wants to cement your untouchable position, which of the above models suits your needs the best? It is unfortunate for us that we have so many of these debased people involved in our countries politics at the moment.

      1. Merry Mac,

        Good, and you had me up until “pay check”. Wouldn’t “wage packet” be more apt for the UK?

        [You may or may not know but I abhor Americanisms in all their forms, especially cheque spelt as “check”. Well, if I don’t fight it, no one else seems bothered!]

        1. The audience was a wide one, not just a British one, so “wage packet” might have caused unnecessary confusion when the intent was to convey a concept of why our societies were being dragged down instead of being built up.

          The main thrust was that what is being done to us is deliberate with an end goal in sight. It is not happening by accident caused by stupid politicians who do not know what they are doing. 🙂

          2. I will put you in charge of the committee to oversee the feasibility of constructing a time machine, or opening a temporal wormhole, so that I can go back 12 months and change the original comment. 🙂

            While I’m back there I’ll warn the country about what Theresa May is really up to. But few enough people listened the first time that we tried…

          3. I knew what was going to happen the moment Cameron resigned and why he had to resign. Damn obvious, to me. But then I’ve never been near a university in order to get indoctrinated.

          4. You are on the right track, aren’t you MMcKay? You must have been paying attention to Miss P’s comments. Yes, May was never stupid, she did a brilliant job for her controllers. I’m sure she earned her bonuses and two places in the nuclear bunkers.

        5. Excuse me, George, I’m a great champion of sectioning off ‘English US’ into a language label of its own, i.e.American. There is no English British – there is only English.

          I too will never get acclimated to being burglarized and I will not be gotten to a train station either. The American pronunciation of the tattered remnants of English, also grates on the ear, pryvacy, contra versy etc. They have a penchant for putting the em fasis on the wrong sill abble.

          1. Yes. some words do grate on the ear, but the English language is remarkable in it’s ability to assimilate foreign words. Looking through the OED for example, shows many words with foreign origins.

          2. The reason for that, Jill, is because English, from the time of Chaucer, has evolved as a language and, as you rightly say, embraced many new words from many languages.

            My problem, though, is that in recent times vacuous slang, most of it from the USA, has permeated modern spoken and written English. This is not a normal evolution of a language, it is a retrograde step whereby the language of Shakespeare, Austen, Dickens and Kipling has deteriorated into abominable jive talk from the “street”.

            At this rate of deterioration it will not be long before Britons are simply grunting.

          3. No Grizzly, I cannot accept your last sentence!! I have more faith in the English language, but I have to say I have heard of the phrase “gob smack” creeping in here, so all is not lost!!

      2. Not just the poorly educated,my niece and her husband are bright enough,their focus is oln working bloody hard,raising their children and paying the mortgage.
        Like most they are simply too time poor to examine what is actually going on,it takes time and dedication to get past the MSM spun illusions
        I certainly have had the illusions stripped from me since retirement and I have time to explore reality

  153. I’m sure you’ve seen this tweet but maybe one of you may not have.
    This guy as a Usual Suspect has got a race card and the subsequent get out of jail free card. But this young man has another card up his sleeve too. Ignore the incompetence of the police officers, the killer line is towards the end. Priceless!

  154. With regard to labour and its “policies”, Corbyn et al have not yet worked out that if they decide to punitively task business and the high earners, they will find they have upped and left. It does not take too much in this connected day and age to shift a business – or one’s residence – from one country to another. It would make the “brain drains” under Wilson and Callaghan look like minor blips. Besides, quite a few places would love to have London’s financial industry and its income – and the bankers’ spending power.

    2. Do we need universities and all the hot air they produce, why not turf out all the students to work on the land. There, pure egalitarian paradise.

      1. Universities exist for research, or rather they once did. Students were a bit of an inconvenience in general but the brightest were encouraged to take postgraduate courses and pursue their own research projects.

        Nowadays our universities are populated by very low grade ignoramuses who believe that some tin pot degree will ensure their employment and happiness. Nothing could be further from the truth.

        1. The purpose of that target of “50% of school leavers going to University” was to saddle half of the population with debt from the moment they entered the work force. Owing £27,000 in student loans, as well as the other costs from a 3 or 4 year course, will weigh heavily on many of them. Especially if they have one of the “less useful” degrees.

          A population struggling with debt is less likely to go out on marches and risk injury or being “kettled” and missing work because they were stuck somewhere and did not get the train back home. People would also need to work / save longer before they could get a house and that just add’s more debt to their shoulders.

          It is a nasty attempt to make many people shut up, keep their heads down, and don’t ask questions.

          1. I think you are probably correct. At the time of the University expansion I thought it was intended to keep otherwise unemployed youth from the Unemployment Register.

            Either way the decision to expand University education was a political device with the usual base political motives and the usual unexpected results viz. the production of a nation of ‘qualified’ idiots.

          2. From what I read at the time, it was a fairly obvious ploy to get the “NEET” numbers down.

            Plus Blair, for unknown reasons was in love with things American – hence university for all, agencies instead of ministries, a supreme court, etc., etc. He might have stopped to ask if they actually worked well. Lot of ex-pat Brits would have been happy to advise.

            The net effect in the US, is that employers now look for Masters degrees if they actually want anyone who knows their stuff. Back when I was still gainfully employed the word went from on high that no-one would be considered for hiring into a technical position unless they had a masters. Which of course stuck them with more bills. But at least our student loan system has a lot of government controls to stop students being taken to the cleaners quite so badly – and the endowments the Unis have enable them to offer lots of scholarships.

          3. Not bad, MMckay. What is the name of the ideology to which you are referring to? Tell me what was the biggest demographic group that voted to Leave in your opinion? Do you think this group will be bothered about kettling?

          4. Rainbow 6 – you would appear to be full of many questions and many comments this evening. You also seem to think you know what is happening in the world and who is doing it. So I will ask you a simple one to see how much you really know:

            Who do YOU think is behind what is happening in the world today with the attempts to end democracy?

            (Clue: saying globalist, new world order, dark state, or Soros will get you the buzzer for a wrong answer. You need to be specific.)

            I am off to bed now, but I may look at your answer tomorrow, or not, depending on how many things need to be done. If you get the correct answer then I might even type a message to you again. I do not normally reply to people who end their comments with questions just to try to get you to speak back to them. Those people who can appear to be a bit full of themselves are also not appealing.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/af3b4fdf2a11b5f1e1cddcf0c80535ca2554c87ba26eb9b883f0019cfc3da245.jpg

          6. So the short answer is, you don’t actually know who they are. That is fine, many do not. Globalist, New World Order or the scary label “Dark State” are generalisations that mask those at the top, but if they are stopped then the ones behind them giving the orders will be slowed down. At least until the next time.

            I have always found that mixing with people who know more than I do is a good way of learning. I have only been on this page for a month, since Disqus shut the other channels down, and at least two people here have mentioned who is really pulling the strings in normal conversation. So it is not a secret. But it is a useful shibboleth to find out if someone really sees the big picture of why the world is being pulled down in the way that it is.

            (Just for clarity – Soros is an employee not a master. He passes on instructions, he is not the one in charge. If he had a heart attack tomorrow the attacks on Western Democracies will not be affected.)

            At least you are aware that there are people behind what is being done to us and it is not an accident. Many more are realising that now. Good luck to us all in the coming fight.

          7. The answer I gave was the Rothschilds. Unfortunately MMcKay I had no sleep last night and an extremely disappointing meeting with the council. So today I changed from Mr. Affable to my alter ego. I’ll respond when I can think straight. BTW ECWII started today for me.

          8. Sorry for late response.
            Got big probs with housing and now everybody will have a big problem with me.
            As far as I’m concerned it all started with Disraeli getting a £40,000,000 for the Suez Canal. We then go from splendid isolation to fighting Christian Russia in support of the Turkmen. We should have helped Russia drive them back to Turkmenistan. Another opportunity lost in 1918.
            Agreed. I was forced to go to a grammar school against my wishes, yes I learnt more because you’re rubbing shoulders with kid who are from a different planet. But I’ve had a shite life as a result. I play chess to keep my brain active. No point playing players lower graded than yourself, as you lose too many grading points if you lose. Always better playing those similar or above.
            I’ve not learnt a lot here apart from Peddy’s Pedantical Pedanting on my posts. But if you knew how many goes I had at getting O level English, well…
            I’m well up on Kalergi, Frankfurt School, 1995 Barcelona Declaration (why I wont get a council house). etc.
            You may have seen my deleted Spam earlier, ECWII started yesterday for me. If I get a 4am call, I won’t give a flying fack. BTW do you know if any plod are monitoring this site?

        1. Nice to see you Anne. I might be around a little more after this weekend’s corporate failure. 46 years in the air has come to an abrupt end!

    4. FFS.
      (I was going to say that I was glad my youngest child passed through the portals of the University of Sheffield before this PC shite arrived, but I think the abbreviation works just as well.)

    5. Another reason for my reluctance to give any more money to Sheffield University, as an alumnus. Having given in the past I now regularly receive calls and emails from students assigned to raising funds, supposedly for scholarships for poor foreigners.

      When I last visited the University campus in 2010 I could barely discern the buildings I once occupied as the University Student Union. The original buildings were subsumed into what could only be described as a cinema complex complete with fast food outlets.

      Edit: Alumnus.

    1. Who said the cars are stopped “for no reason”? The post only states that one man was arrested under suspicion of drug-related driving. So they suspected him of driving under the influence of drugs – valid reason for stopping him in my view. No explanation is given for any of the other cars stopped.

        1. Anyone found in possession of a vehicle which emits sulphate particulates, carbon monoxide and other noxious fumes should be stopped and searched as they are clearly guilty of anti-social behaviour and by extension, they are likely to be engaged in other criminal activity.

          ;¬)

        2. Not at all, HP, I have no way of reading the police officers’ minds. However, it appears that 11 people in this land can read the minds of the current Prime Minister. Have you thought of asking those 11?

          1. Well, no. You are aware though that the police routinely exceed their legal powers by random stopping of cars. Random stopping, that is with no obvious reason. When it happened to us, the officers had hysterics when I asked why, for what purpose, legal basis? and so on.

    2. It has to be authorised by an Inspector for a designated area and a limited time. A good move IMHO.

  157. A thought after a couple of glasses of red.
    A GE is held and the incoming Prime Minister with a large majority has decided that the Supreme Court has overstepped its powers and has to be disbanded. The Government passes the required legislation but a well funded woman of colour disagrees and puts in a legal challenge.
    Who will judge whether or not the Government has the authority to disband the highest court in the land? Have we reached this paradoxical situation after today’s ruling and is the Supreme Court now unassailable?

    2. The Government took it upon itself (Blair) to remove the power of appeal to the then highest law in the land (The House of Lords and thence, Her Majesty the Queen) and impose a new tier of judgement – The Supreme Court.

      It must then be within the aegis of The Government to remove that tier and, hopefully, reinstate the status quo.

    3. Do you refer to the Duchess of Sussex, or Diane Abbot? Whoops, that one is well rounded, not funded.

    2. She bears a striking resemblance to several other old socialist hags in my experience. Rosemarie MacQueen MBE, former chief at Westminster Planning springs to mind.

      I think the dead eyes and superficial and expensive ornamentation is a giveaway. In addition you do not get to look like this hag if having lived a decent and unblemished life.

    3. Come into my web said the spider to the fly..

      That is a terrific brooch , very threatening and deathly.

      That woman can’t be scared of anything , she certainly has some power ..Is she Labour?

      https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2019/sep/24/say-it-with-a-brooch-how-a-fashion-item-became-a-political-statement

      Say it with a brooch: what message was Lady Hale’s spider sending?
      The judge is the latest powerful woman to use a brooch to make a coded statement

      2. Not awfully keen on spiders.
        The web they weave when they endeavour to deceive,
        certainly applies to the judges .

    1. “The Tory party has been captured by extremists determined to chase a hard Brexit at the expense of long-held principles.”

      *sigh*

    2. To me, Tony, there is no ‘other side’ to an invalid argument.

      Johnson is accused of doing something unlawful but no ‘law’ is mentioned, no tangible evidence is offered and 11 unelected people with a vaguely legal background are asked to opine on Johnson’s actions.

      Where is there a speck of law-breaking and why has Johnson accepted the verdict?

      1. Yes. Something stinks to high heaven about the whole thing .And next time we laugh at some foreign dictator in some god-forsaken African country who is elected with 99.99 percent of the vote, remember our eleven out of eleven.
        The kind expression is ” unconcious bias ” I leave it to you to suggest the unkind one.

      2. It is constitutional law, so based on precedent and pretzels and prejudices and persuasion etc. Hale LJ worked in family law and as an academic. She and her pals made one tiny error that I spotted.

      3. If Sir John Major had been charged with proroguing without due care and intention to avoid Parliamentary inquiry into cash for questions then the Supreme Court might have had an argument for laying the same charge against Boris Johnson.

  163. Warning

    SWMBO has had just read a message on Faceache

    A ‘friend’ has just had an email from ‘Thomas Cook’. about the refund for her (non-existent ) cancelled holiday

    If she just sends (Mr Rashid) her bank account details etc, the money will be paid into her account

    The scammers do not wasti much time

    Spread the word, to the Darwins that you know

  166. Night All

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    And for something different

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  168. So Bercow is giving free to the REminers again. Since when did the Speaker control what goes on in the commons

  170. We no need to vote anymore. Elected MP’s just do exactly as they want without reference to the electorate.. They will work out how many MP’s for each party by taking the average of 3 recent polls

  172. “Hey Rainbow Six!

    Thanks for leaving a comment on Not the Telegraph Letters. Welcome to the community! We love hearing your thoughts and feedback on our posts and we hope that you enjoy engaging with our community.”

    OH NO YOU DON’T!

    All you’re interested in is your middle to upper class beliefs and your little cliques. Hence the constant biatching against anybody that has a differing opinion, namely Miss Polly or Mr. UKIP himself.

    I just saw some of you believe that PM Johnson will deliver! You’re so naïve. He had two letters prepared and joined Vote Leave on a whim. He was a plant on Vote Leave, just like Gove (the guy who went to bed at 10.30pm on not the most important night of his political career) , Leadsom, Fox and Hannan.

    Below is a video which features Johnson being heckled by a brainwashed yoof on 22nd June 2016, the last day of polling. It showed a longer clip on the ITV News at 10.30pm. Neither he nor the MPs in the studio couldn’t put this idiot to the sword, which to me shows their lack of commitment and passion.

    Y’all have a good evening, especially if there are any Southern Belles out there. Toodle pip!

        1. Rainbow Six…We only seem like a clique because we have been commenting to each other for several years. Some of us have met for drinks and had lunch and the first thing we talk about isn’t Nottl. Stay around.

          1. It would take me about 100 comments on here to get 5 upticks if I excluded one particular reader. You’re just like GP, up each others arses, sneering at anybody who’s not in your little gangs. Typical middle class snobs.

          1. Just got tired of watching here and GP with everybody going around and around in ever decreasing circles. I also stopped reading all the smoke and mirror BS. I just glean. They have absolutely no intention of letting us leave the EU, without a fight.
            I took up an interest in my wendyball team again but that looks like it’s going boobs up very quickly and normal service is being resumed.
            So can you confirm that Eastern European ladies are the bestest?

          3. They cooked for you or you were badly propositioned as they mistakenly thought you were sex tourists?

        1. Below is a video which features Johnson being heckled by a brainwashed yoof on 22nd June 2016, the last day of polling. It showed a longer clip on the ITV News at 10.30pm. Neither he nor the MPs in the studio couldn’t put this idiot to the sword, which to me shows their lack of commitment and passion.
          Y’all have a good evening, especially if there are any Southern Belles out there. Toodle pip!

          It looks like part of the last para. in the original post.

    2. Upper middle class? Where does that come from? Upper upper dear boy !

      If you will engage with ogga and the demented parrot and you don’t appreciate the rest of us then you know what to do don’t you.

      Your first para remains true. We are interested in your view Rainbow Six. But please don’t expect us to suddenly change our opinions because of yours.

          2. Regarding the pistachio, you gave your informed educated opinion and i just like the colour… :o)

            Second point. Not very clever candidates are they?

      2. Sorry Old Bean, I didn’t know we had aristocratic commenters.
        Ha but I believe that Miss P and the UKIP rep are nearer the mark than the vast majority on here. Well, even if I say so myself, I’ve yet to be proved wrong about anything so far. Let’s hope I’m wrong about 31st October 2019 or Farage.

        1. “I’ve yet to be proved wrong about anything so far.”

          There is a word for someone who thinks like that. I will choose a kinder one, Hubris.

          It pays to be polite after all.

          1. Firstly I’ve no idea what the word means. Secondly I got to this time in my life not knowing what it means. What about the rest of my life, will I need to know?
            Well if you wish to go head to head with me, I’ll relish the challenge. After all you once upon time read the Telegraph while I just looked at the pics in the Sun, so you obviously feel you can prove me wrong as you clearly have a far superior education to me and are no doubt more widely read than I. Easy peasy for you.
            I’ll repeat, I’ve never been rude to any one on here but I see people being rude and snidey all the time.
            Bit like GP, double standards.
            Do you wanna kick off or do you want me to peruse, or even go into troll mode on your comments?

          2. ” I will choose a kinder one, Hubris.”

            “Firstly I’ve no idea what the word means.”

            hubris /ˈhjuːbrɪs/ Learn to pronounce
            noun
            excessive pride or self-confidence.

            English is a mongrel language that is well worth learning its meanings and its use. It allows a clear and concise thought to be declaimed.
            Are you having any clear and concise thoughts this evening?

          3. I didn’t really need to know. But as you have told me it kind of fits in with what a young female wrote me the other day. She said “I always say that you are perfect and beautiful.” I’m the complete opposite of beautiful and perfect. There is a strong hint of sarcasm there but she really does think that I think I’m perfect. I have to try, while she doesn’t. She IMHO could be 95% perfect but she suffers from low-self esteem. As she’s got a bachelor’s degree to teach language and literature in English and her native tongue I think she needs to know this word.
            I’m relishing the prospect of a meeting with my local council tomorrow. Usually I hold them in complete contempt but tomorrow I will wind in my hubris as the person I’m meeting seems very knowledgeable and I need to pick her brains. So my thoughts are very clear and concise.
            As for Brexit thoughts, long ago I knew civil war was the inevitable outcome.

          4. My my, I have only just seen this comment after I replied to your earlier one. I would get that chip off of your shoulder if I were you. Life is too short. I have never read the Telegraph either and have only been on this channel for 1 month.

            The threat to go into “troll mode” on me does not reflect well on your character. As I have been online for 30 years now, I would not advise going down that route either. I have seen a few in my time and trolls are not impressive.

            Anyway – back to the real world. Try to relax a bit more. There are real enemies out there..

          5. I wind up this 195cm/130kg Fat Insp Plod ret at the gym. Told him yesterday I’ve got two massive chips. Today they got bigger.

          6. MMMMcKay, time for relaxation is over.

            I wind up a 6’5″ 130 kilo retired fat plod from the big city police in the gym. I’m going to put a proposal to him about getting us both fit over next 6 weeks.

            I accuse him of being a remainer, he’s a bluenose and plod. So I told him about 18 months ago that when the civil war starts I’ll be ramming a pitchfork into him. I do the motion in front of him with my war face while’s he’s on the cross trainer. He goes “No you won’t as I’ll have retired by then.” He’s since constantly pointed out that he’ll have retired by then. He retired about 2 months ago.

            We were discussing the other day whether or not either of us is in the 1%-2% who sleep easy when they have to do what they were put on earth to do. He’s in the second group those who can be trained to kill.
            He’s been trying to convince me since that he voted to Leave. He convinced me he did the other day. But that wont stop me taking the piss and accusing him of being a remainiac. It’s good fun. He should be much cleverer than me, but he’s dumbed himself down to cope with the Common Purpose clones in the plod. It was me that told him about CP.

          1. Has something in your life changed recently? You seem different from the last time I frequented here.

          3. How big is the shed? I always said you were a great person. Have you got a load of Sugar Babes lined up?

          5. No just my frightening flag avatar.
            Well done you lucky barsteward. I thought the advice was bonds, trusts and shares as opposed to all your eggs in the one nest egg.

          7. But civil wars are a coming, so gold would have been better. Or invested in a bolthole somewhere.

          9. But what if the Yanks scrap the dollar and go on to the Amero or whatever it is? What if CN & RU combine and do all future transactions in new Asiatic currency? What if the Dems impeach Trump? ACWII in days. I’d have bought a property in Krym and move there and enjoyed the sights.

          11. Then that means the end of this site! Hurrah! Another controlled kettling enterprise bites the dust!

    3. No linked video.

      And we don’t all believe in Johnson. We’ll believe it when we see it.
      And even if we do get Brexit, he’s too soft on immigration. But then, apparently, so is the Brexit party now….

      1. Soz. I digressed and went off looking for another vid.
        Yes I’m involved with a Farage Bot on BB at the moment. I’ve told him Farage is controlled opposition. He has no real response except talking BS.
        To confirm the point about immigration and what first alerted me to the fact that Farage isn’t what he wants us to believe. In the 2015 GE he had an invite to GCHQ. His response afterwards, straight from the globalists’ handbook, was that if we wished to remain safe in the future we would have to give up some of our liberties.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6mMP1HYJDc
        I could run rings round this idiot and I’m about as articulate as a lorry.

          1. Yes but they are the first generation in the history of mankind that is not only cleverer than their elders but wiser too. I saw something on the Thunberg speech to the UN the other day. I went on YT to have a look. Un-*******-believable. I read some of the comments. Speechless. There must have been a sci-fi film where the kids take over, must find it and see how it turns out.
            I had plenty of run ins with yoofs like him during the referendum, utterly brainwashed. They are in for a real awakening when they come up against yoofs who are of a patriotic nature .

      2. I voted for Boris in the leadership election. Do I trust him? Not at all, but the alternative was Theresa in Trousers (Jeremy Hunt).

        He’s far better than Bloody Theresa, but the chances are that I’ll be voting BXP at the imminent election…

    4. You are welcome here Rainbow Six – dissenting views are welcome but we don’t tolerate rudeness to other posters.

          2. JSP hasn’t been here for a while and seems to have stopped the malicious flagging of innocuous posts.

          4. I always found JSP very knowledgeable but she never seemed to know when to stop, particularly after making her point. Malicious flagging of posts I wouldn’t know about.

          6. Wrong. I never flagged a single comment maliciously. Everything I flagged was entirely justified.

            I suffered a lot of malicious deletion for honest comments – but that’s OK of course.

        2. I can use the pen or the sword. Please show me where I’ve been rude? Take it you’ve never been on GP?

      2. Can’t say as I’ve ever been rude to anybody on here, although I do take the proverbial out of King Peddy the Pedantic Pedant of Pedantia, obviously Mr UKIP bot himself and the honorary sem- I Yank. Some gallant chap actually intervened on her behalf and told me to play the ball not the man. But I know she likes the banter. But I know she likes the banter. But I know she like the banter.
        Yes we’re all on the same side except for the one leftard that frequents these pages, but I have seen rudeness shown to PP and O1.

        1. You haven’t been rude – and some people do break the one rule we do have. Otherwise most things are acceptable. If anyone disagrees, they have the option of flagging a post for deletion.

          1. I’ve had a couple of posts deleted in regard to teasing Miss Polly. If I ever see her on BB I’d really take the P as I have a penchant for Yank baiting especially the S(‘)r(‘)s bots. Did you know you cant write that name on BB nor shoot or kill?

        2. “But I know she likes the banter. But I know she likes the banter. But I know she like the banter.”

          Is this your way of saying Polly sings the same old song, the same old song, the same old song?

          BTW, who is the leftard?

          1. If it’s worth saying once, it’s worth saying twice, and if it’s worth saying twice surely it’s worth saying thrice or in Miss Polly’s case, a million times? Yes, you’re absolutely correct.
            I dunno, after I had a “discussion” with him, for which he gave me an uptick, he went. Understand that is his M.O. I’ll peruse my comments when I have time and let you know.

    5. Just a minute, R6 – there will always be a few people everywhere that don’t take to some others. Polly is slammed by some here but by no means all, ditto ogga. I happen to like both, but sometimes take issue with the riddles…

      So don’t say that we don’t welcome people with different views – we have several – it’s not the view, it’s the way it might be put across, that may cause reaction…

      1. I’ll respond to you later as I haven’t got a minute!))) I have an important meeting with my local council tomorrow so I need to prepare for that.

  173. No Evidence of crimes by Leave EU or Arron Banks

    It is about time legal action was taken against the constant lies from the REmainers

    1. The BBC;
      “The National Crime Agency has found “no evidence” of criminal offences after allegations against Leave.EU and its founder Arron Banks.”
      Note the BBC’s quotation marks.

  174. May we rely on the MSM to conduct – and publish – a forensic analysis of each and every member of the Supreme Court – and their Chairspider ?

    Background, parental allegiances, education, adolescent follies, relationships, university extra-curricular activities, political affiliations, employment history, life, loves, business, political and influential acquaintances and the manner of their appointment for starters …

  176. Jeremy Corbyn is getting very excited again..

    The country and the world have got to pot, utter chaos.

    1. Big fail.

      She’s showing her hair. She might as well have left the scarf at home.

      I’m also seeing that she didn’t wear her £140,000 engagement ring today, to downplay the ostentation. Who apart from herself would have noticed amongst all the other staging?

      As that tune-free, not very good, but nevertheless famous singer from the 70s, David Essex could have said ‘Oh what a circus, oh what a show’

    2. “Harry and Meghan also learned about the non-profit Lunchbox Fund”

      Linford Christie on the skids is he?

        1. Oder? Oder??????? I’ll have du know that I regularly wash and shower, mein Freund!

          Would “Schlaff gut” (without the “du”) be better?

          1. Yes, that is the intimate 2nd person singular imperative.

            German ‘du’ = Spanish ‘tu’.
            German ‘Sie’ = Spanish ‘Usted’.

          2. I din’t want to get intimate with you, Peddy. You are my friend, but not an “intimate partner”!!!

            :-))

          5. So you are saying (© Cathy Newman) that Archbishop Desmond TuTu’s favourite drink is a Double Diamond?

            :-))

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