862 thoughts on “Wednesday 28 August: Remainers should drop their sense of entitlement – and listen to voters”

    2. Good morning, Bob and all Nottlers. It rained quite hard here – just as I was moving stuff out of my studio. It must have been waiting to seize its chance of getting my artwork wet!

  2. New law needed to take on far-right extremism, says Blair think tank. Tue 27 Aug 2019 22.30 BST.

    A new law allowing for hate groups to be designated and punished before they turn to violence is needed in order to tackle far-right extremists, according to a report by Tony Blair’s thinktank, which also seeks powers to ban marches and media appearances.

    The law could sit alongside proscription powers, banning groups concerned with terrorism, but would not be directly linked to violence or terrorism. Rather, it would designate hate groups as organisations that spread intolerance and antipathy towards people of a different race, religion, gender or nationality, the report said.

    Morning everyone. You couldn’t make it up! An organisation set up by a War Criminal advocating the suppression of any countervailing view to the Liberal Consensus! This is of course just another step on the road to a Totalitarian State where no view other than the official one is tolerated. One of the most depressing aspects of the present situation is that there is quite literally no political party or faction in the UK that stands for Freedom of Speech or Personal Liberty in any form.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/27/new-law-tackle-far-right-extremism-uk-tony-blair-thinktank

    2. Particularly galling when you know he isn’t referring to the real far right terrorists radical islamists, they’re a protected species.

    4. WE need a new law for extreme left wing groups such as Hate Not Hope and for dealing with lying politicians

    5. ‘Morning Minty
      fits right in with the criminalisation of “anti-migration speech” as per the UN migration stitch up

    6. ‘Morning, Minty, their first targets could be Antifa, Hate not Hope and Extinction Rebellion.

    7. Since when has the Consensus been Liberal? Bit of an oxymoron?

      True Liberals will argue and debate and fight over what is right and what is wrong, and you’d be lucky to get two people in any village, let alone between two villages to agree about everything.

      1. There is a political liberal consensus in the UK that transcends all parties as well you know Jeremy!

        1. I wouldn’t call it liberal though.

          As a long-time supporter of the Liberal Democrats and their previous incarnations, I refused to support the party in 2010 on the eve of it getting into Government after a century in the wilderness. I didn’t like the way it had become authoritarian under the Orange Book, and dislike intensely the screeching feminist narrow-mindedness of their present leader.

          1. At a local level I saw the change to the LibDems happening well before the year 2000. The older true Liberals and Democrats were being eased out by a younger more ardent group that brooked no challenge to their ideas. That they have morphed into the current useless and very dangerous anti-Liberal political entity is no surprise.

        3. The Liberals are probably the least democratic party going although it might be a draw with Labour. The problem with Labour is who has a clue as to their policies. On Brexit is seems to be made up day by day and is frequently contradictory

          One thing that has become clear to me is that Corbyn is now only a Puppet leader of the Labour party and is no longer in control of it. He gets his instructions from the EU and other senior labour party members

    8. I wouldn’t say there is no party standing for Freedom of Speech or Personal Liberty, Minty. At the risk of sounding like Ogga, UKIP is very hot on ending political correctness and believes in the right to speak one’s mind.

      1. Afternoon Conway. I would suggest, though needless to say I can’t prove it, that these are just words and did they somehow gain power they would no more support either measure than any other political party!

        1. There is always that risk, of course, but I have to say that speech at our meetings is free from political correctness 🙂

    9. I see their definition of hate groups seems designed to miss out Antifa, Hope not Hate etc??

  5. Let’s spare a thought for Bury and Bolton Wanderers – founders of the football league badly let down by the 1992 Update, which passed 95% of the sport’s money to the Premier League and the subsequent demolition of Wembley Stadium.

    May this be a lesson to those who think that we can get our nation back post-Brexit without also a serious look at what we’ve been doing to it in recent decades and a willingness to do something about this as well.

    1. Wendyball is no longer a sport. It is a business and if business overextends itself, it will go bankrupt. That is what has happened with both Bury and Bolton Wanderers. I have no sympathy.

      What amazes me is the fans who go on, week after week and month after month paying exorbitant prices to watch 22 Wendyballers kick a ball about.

      1. The logical extension to that is to close down all the smaller non-Premier League clubs, leaving just the megarich and successful brands that cherry pick their millionaire talent from abroad, and our native talent can get stuffed and go and stab each other, or whatever Brits do for fun these days.

        1. I expect that the ‘smaller non-Premier League clubs’ will run as businesses and therefore the same rules apply.

  6. German police suspect ‘second Skripal case’ after man shot dead in park. 27 AUGUST 2019.

    Authorities in Germany reportedly believe they may be dealing with a “second Skripal case” after a man was shot dead in broad daylight in a Berlin park.

    Yes there are lots of parallels. One’s dead and the other is alive. Skripal is an Orthodox Russian and the other a Chechen Muslim. One was shot in Berlin and the other, well not so much, but still Salisbury is practically next door. So apart from the country, the bike and the gun and the people involved it’s pretty much a carbon copy!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/27/german-police-suspect-second-skripal-case-man-shot-dead-park/

  7. Morning all

    All the cushions are wet thanks to BBC weather.

    SIR – I watched Sir Keir Starmer on BBC Breakfast yesterday, discussing how to prevent a no-deal Brexit.

    Why do Remainer MPs think they have the right to derail the democratic will of the people, again?

    The country voted to leave the European Union. The scaremongering we are currently seeing from our politicians represents an unbelievable abuse of power, and betrays their disregard for voters.

    Richard Gilbert
    Guyhirn, Cambridgeshire

    1. SIR – I do wish people would stop talking as if a no-deal Brexit is something that can be “taken off the table”. It is the default position in law under the European Union (Withdrawal) Act, and will only cease to be so if the Act is repealed.

      If anything is to be taken off the table, it should be the expression “crashing out”. How damaging a no-deal exit will be, and how acrimonious our relationship with the EU will be in the run-up to October 31, depends entirely on how cooperative the EU is prepared to be.

      Nicholas Pertwee
      Reigate, Surrey

  8. Morning again

    SIR – In principle, as an avid supporter of Brexit, I cannot disagree with Iain Duncan Smith (Comment, August 27), who argues that “Brexiteers should trust the PM’s strategy”.

    However, there has been so much emphasis on the Irish backstop (which is merely the worst of a number of appalling concessions enshrined in Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement) and the possibility that it might be removed that those of us who fought for a Leave vote, and have since been dismayed by Parliament’s apparent determination to deny the result, cannot be blamed for worrying that Boris Johnson might try to fudge the issue again, banking on his charisma (and the fear of a government led by Jeremy Corbyn) to keep him in power.

    Clearly, leaving the EU with a mutually beneficial trade deal was always the preferred outcome. The duplicity and incompetence of Mrs May’s team – and other Remainers –robbed us of that result. I pray that Mr Johnson is able to achieve in a few weeks what they failed to achieve in more than two years. However, if he cannot do so, I hope he realises that the only other option is the (so-called) “no deal”, which he has promised.

    Anything else, however Mr Johnson and his supporters attempt to justify it, will be a further betrayal of democracy.

    John Waine
    Nuneaton, Warwickshire

  9. SIR – I watched Sir Keir Starmer on BBC Breakfast yesterday, discussing how to prevent a no-deal Brexit.

    Why do Remainer MPs think they have the right to derail the democratic will of the people, again?

    The country voted to leave the European Union. The scaremongering we are currently seeing from our politicians represents an unbelievable abuse of power, and betrays their disregard for voters.

    Richard Gilbert
    Guyhirn, Cambridgeshire

    And….

    SIR – I do wish people would stop talking as if a no-deal Brexit is something that can be “taken off the table”. It is the default position in law under the European Union (Withdrawal) Act, and will only cease to be so if the Act is repealed.

    If anything is to be taken off the table, it should be the expression “crashing out”. How damaging a no-deal exit will be, and how acrimonious our relationship with the EU will be in the run-up to October 31, depends entirely on how cooperative the EU is prepared to be.

    Nicholas Pertwee
    Reigate, Surrey

    And…

    SIR – You report (August 27) that the Archbishop of Canterbury intends to join a working party dedicated to preventing a no-deal Brexit.

    This is deeply concerning. Surely a churchman should be seen as wholly impartial and above politics. He would be better occupied in saving a declining Church that loses members as every year passes.

    T J Tawney
    Hildenborough, Kent

    And….

    SIR – In principle, as an avid supporter of Brexit, I cannot disagree with Iain Duncan Smith (Comment, August 27), who argues that “Brexiteers should trust the PM’s strategy”.

    However, there has been so much emphasis on the Irish backstop (which is merely the worst of a number of appalling concessions enshrined in Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement) and the possibility that it might be removed that those of us who fought for a Leave vote, and have since been dismayed by Parliament’s apparent determination to deny the result, cannot be blamed for worrying that Boris Johnson might try to fudge the issue again, banking on his charisma (and the fear of a government led by Jeremy Corbyn) to keep him in power.

    Clearly, leaving the EU with a mutually beneficial trade deal was always the preferred outcome. The duplicity and incompetence of Mrs May’s team – and other Remainers –robbed us of that result. I pray that Mr Johnson is able to achieve in a few weeks what they failed to achieve in more than two years. However, if he cannot do so, I hope he realises that the only other option is the (so-called) “no deal”, which he has promised.

    Anything else, however Mr Johnson and his supporters attempt to justify it, will be a further betrayal of democracy.

    John Waine
    Nuneaton, Warwickshire
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    This Nottler’s summation of the Political Declaration is well worth a read

    BTL:

    Max Bonamy 28 Aug 2019 5:10AM
    Good crop of Brexit letters.

    However, I urge those greatly exercised by all 585 pages of the WA – letter writers and posters – to always reference the odious 28 pages of the Political Declaration in the same breath.

    If you’re not familiar with it you can be forgiven for thinking the PD is some innocuous, touch-feely, platitudinal guff about kumbaya UK/EU friendship in the future. It is not.

    Under the guise of ‘cooperation’ it is a hard-nosed, politically binding deal loaded entirely in favour of the EU. Dictated by Brussels it was merrily signed by May November last.

    In essence, the PD interferes with almost every area of our political and economic endeavour and legally commits Britain to accepting supremacy of EU law. For ever. For instance:

    – The UK will have to agree to EU human rights law “as an essential prerequisite” to trade talks.

    – Participation in a wide range of EU programmes across science, culture, overseas development, defence, foreign policy and space is to be subject to EU law and requires a financial contribution from the UK to be determined by the EU.

    – The UK commits to funding a shared PEACE PLUS programme in Northern Ireland and to exploring options to rejoin the European Investment Bank [the one Hammond struck such a godawful deal with].

    – The UK should adopt EU rules for goods (with no say) with full regulatory alignment.

    – The economic partnership covers all areas of services, with regulatory alignment.

    – Public procurement to go beyond WTO GPA commitments and will favour state-owned EU businesses.

    – Fishing is surrendered as a shared resource, with an agreement on quotas, management of stocks and continued EU free access to UK waters to be ratified by 1st July 2020.

    And so forth.

    You get the gist and, hopefully, you share my horror.

    Boris needs to drive a stake through the dark heart of both the WA and the Political Declaration. Until he does, I’m with Nige.

    —-

    For more on the PD google: ‘A civil servant exposes the grave danger to UK autonomy post-Brexit’

    1. Boris needs to drive a stake through the dark heart of both the WA and the Political Declaration. Until he does, I’m with Nige.

      Me2!

    2. ‘A civil servant exposes the grave danger to UK autonomy post-Brexit’

      If the article linked to above doesn’t scare the ‘literal’ out of anyone reading it, then Martin Howe QC’s dissection of this odious document at Lawyers for Britain – The Political Declaration, certainly will. He exposes May’s incompetence, however, many believe her performance was a calculating and deliberate act liberally laced with incompetence.

    3. Good Morning all.
      When I see the acronym ‘PD’, I automatically think ‘Powell Duffryn’.
      Any Nottler who is keen on railways and shipping would understand.

    5. Surrended as a shared resource. Feck off.

      Public procurement? Far too broad a field. Why must it favour EU state owned businesses? Just sounds a trap door.

  10. SIR – When I was tasked with replacing the lead roof of a Grade II listed church (Letters, August 25), I submitted a business case that demonstrated the sustainability of a maintained polymer solution as well as the associated financial benefits.

    It showed that it was unreasonable for Historic England to require lead. A number of churches have since followed my template successfully. A church is a public building, not a monument.

    John Anderson
    Dudley, Worcestershire

    1. Would the authorities come down as hard on those removing the lead as they do on those replacing the lead with polymer?

    2. Mr Anderson may find he has been living in the West Midlands since 1974.
      Churches are are neither public sector nor private sector. They are considered “Third sector organisations” (…motivated by the desire to achieve social goals rather than the desire to distribute profit).

      1. Dudley was an enclave of Worcestershire in Staffordshire when I lived in the area in the fifties and sixties.

  11. SIR – I sympathise with the difficulties that hospital catering managers face, but must disagree with Michael Hartley’s claim (Letters, August 27) that it is “just not possible to send out meals to about 1,000 people within an hour”.

    Why not? Cruise ships do it for up to 2,000 people and then repeat it two hours later for a second sitting.

    Martin Goodwin
    Mortimer, Berkshire

  12. As KFC trials plant-based chicken, is fake meat more environmentally friendly?

    Meanwhile, this week KFC said it will test vegetarian, plant-based

    chicken at its restaurant in Georgia. KFC’s foray into plant-based meat

    follows Burger King’s debut earlier this year of the Impossible Whopper,

    a meatless version of its signature beef hamburger developed with

    Impossible Foods.

    Regardless of what KFC say, IT IS NOT CHICKEN

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/07/18/foetus-serums-deforestation-just-green-fake-meat-really/

    2. If it flaps, clucks, sheds feathers and scratches up flowers, it is chicken whatever it is made from.

    1. BTL comment on Andrew Lilico’s article
      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2018/09/08/TELEMMGLPICT000156780438_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqLeUJvOJqnV613e1NxllMSd6BnMf0kzF1WPsn9AqaDz8.jpeg?imwidth=1240

      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/27/eus-innumerate-claim-should-pay-39bn-no-deal-does-not-add/

      Peter Turner 27 Aug 2019 8:05PM
      Guy Verhofstadt obviously needs a big chunk of the £39 billion to have a decent haircut and get his teeth fixed.

      Charles Frances Montmorency Gaillard Oliver 27 Aug 2019 8:10PM
      There isn’t that much money.

  15. For fans of Our Julia who don’t have Premium…

    This so-called People’s Parliament is nothing more than an anti-democratic coup
    JULIA HARTLEY-BREWER – 27 AUGUST 2019 • 7:00PM

    I have a question. When did adding the word “People’s” to everything start being A Thing? First we had the People’s Vote, then we had the People’s March and now, lo and behold, we have the People’s Parliament.

    This is somewhat confusing. After all, who is doing all the voting that isn’t being done by, well, people? Are there national squirrel referendums we haven’t been told about?

    Are cats regularly daubing placards with EU flags and heading off to London on marches I’ve been unlucky enough to never spot? And, other than owls, who else is sitting in parliaments that we have apparently otherwise missed?

    The People’s Parliament is just the latest manifestation of this Orwellian attempt by Remoaners to pretend that their audacious bid to overturn a democratic vote is anything but a blatant attempt at a political coup.

    A cross-party group of MPs, including Labour’s John McDonnell, the Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson, the SNP’s Ian Blackford and 160 more, yesterday trouped off to Church House, the dour Westminster building where MPs sat while bombs fell on London during the Second World War, to declare their very own Parliament.

    When opposition leaders in banana republics attempt their coups, they usually need to win over the military and seize the state broadcasters first.

    But the Remoaners didn’t have to bother with such trifling things. After all, they already have the entire Whitehall establishment on their side, not to mention the Commons Speaker, and the BBC already appears to be marching to their anti-Brexit tune.

    Instead, the Opposition MPs simply turned up to sign a declaration that they would oppose any attempts by the Prime Minister to suspend Parliament or use any other ruses to push through a No Deal Brexit.

    With just a white sheet of A4 attached to the lectern, pathetically proclaiming the #PeoplesParliament, the cross-party group pledged to “do whatever is necessary”, including forming an alternative House of Commons.

    Was it A People’s Parliament or THE People’s Parliament? We weren’t told. In truth, of course, it is nothing more than a Remoaners’ Parliament.

    This new tactic is the latest explosion of outrage by those who wish to thwart Brexit, as they feign horror at the prospect of Boris Johnson using his executive powers to suspend Parliament (the real one) and push the long awaited referendum result through.

    Their amateur dramatics would be funny if they weren’t so damaging to our democracy.

    Because this isn’t merely another tactical wheeze being discussed in back rooms by faceless backbenchers. This is a blatant attempt at a political coup aimed at stopping any Brexit, not just a “catastrophic” or “disastrous” (insert your preferred Project Fear adjective here) No Deal Brexit.

    Let’s be honest: not one of these Opposition MPs actually cares two hoots about Parliamentary sovereignty, which they have happily palmed off to Brussels over the last few decades without a second thought.

    They also don’t give a damn about the niceties of the British constitution, which they were content to sweep aside in order to seize control of the legislative agenda to try to force Theresa May’s hand over her doomed Withdrawal Agreement.

    And there’s absolutely no doubt at all that the Commons Speaker John Bercow is no longer even bothering to pretend that he is the strictly neutral referee of parliamentary procedure.

    The Number 10 mantra is that MPs don’t get to choose which votes they respect. And yet, it would appear that this is precisely what many MPs do.

    Indeed, some of them seem to think they can stand for a political party in a general election and win their seat based on specific pledges in that party’s manifesto and then simply ignore them at their will, or even change parties – more than once – without holding a by-election to see if their voters still want them, while still insisting all along how much they passionately believe in democracy.

    The one good thing to come out of the entire Brexit saga is that at least we, the poor hitherto unsuspecting voters, now know that many of our elected representatives don’t respect us at all.

    Like long-suffering wives whose husbands have been carrying on a string of affairs behind their backs, insisting they were faithful to their marriage vows, the country’s voters have finally seen the evidence with their own eyes that they’ve been cheated on all along.

    So Remoaner MPs can go ahead and vote to delay Brexit, prevent a no-deal exit or go the full hog and revoke Article 50 if they want. They can hold a vote of no confidence in Boris Johnson’s govermment and they can set up their own Parliament wherever they want (it can be in Alton Towers for all we care) but when you’ve finished wrecking what’s left of our trust in British democracy, we will get the final word.

    Because MPs cannot go on ignoring and defying the voters forever. We all know a general election is only a matter of months – or even weeks – away.

    When we do get to have our say, before or after 31 October, those words will be loud and clear. We can say goodbye and good riddance to those MPs who flouted our trust, and we can elect representatives who will never again dare to lie to our faces about respecting our votes when they think they know better than us.

    And what to call that new body of MPs? I think the People’s Parliament has a nice ring to it.

    1. First we had the People’s Vote, then we had the People’s March and now, lo and behold, we have the People’s Parliament.

      You see any polity with “The People” attached to it, à la People’s Republic of China or Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea. You can guarantee that they weren’t consulted!

    2. I think the rot set in with the statement, “She was the People’s Pricess…”

    3. …and the same tw@t that is advocating to legislate against ‘far-right extremism’ is the tw@t who gave us ‘The People’s Princess’.

      Pass the sick bag, Elsie.

    4. It’s like the People’s Democratic Republic of wherever; it is neither democratic nor remotely concerned with the views of the people.

  16. Keep hearing smartarse remainers saying the we voted to bring back power to Parliament and now Leavers don’t like it, they forget to mention that we have to leave the EU properly first before we can bring back power to Parliament.

    1. Britain did not vote to bring back power to parliament. That wasn’t on the ballot.

      It was a choice between Leave or Remain.

      1. All open to interpretation though. For some “Leave” means giving up our voting rights but leaving everything else in place.

    2. They similarly forget that Parliament made a specific request for the electorate to determine if we Leave or Remain in the EU.

      1. And then passed the necessary legislation to enable us to do so – before they got a sniff of the possibility of overturning a vote they didn’t like.

  17. Does receiving a certain phone call cause a Leave to Remain wobble ?

    Why is Boris apparently breathing new life into the Withdrawal Agreement without the backstop ?

      1. Not my way. It is overcast but at 7am the temperature in the shade of my hall was 24C

        1. We were lucky to escape the thunderstorms I assumed we would have last night .

          It became terrible heavy and humid at about 7pm .

          My dogs aren’t keen on thunderstorms .

      1. An old joke I knew as a schoolboy 60 years ago after ID model had come onto the market:

        What’s the difference between a giraffe and the Citroën’s suspension?

        One has hydraulics the other has high bollocks

  20. Good morning all.

    Lotsa cloud, lotsa breeze, cooler.

    I thought I heard heavy rain in the night but it’s as dry as a bone out there now.

  21. Oh Gawd. They’ve got Rory Stewart on Toady again….he sounds more and more like Welbuggery every day.

  22. Guido Fawkes news editor Hugh Bennett is set to join Jacob Rees-Mogg’s team as a special adviser.

  23. No sooner does the worst Prime Minister of recent times vacate her seat at No 10, we are now witnessing another maelstrom draining our political will.

    Can someone on here clarify what exactly is going on , I really cannot keep up.

    I hate the header photograph , I am shuddering at the thought of things to come , because , you know as well as I do , if there is a political b##s up, we will be seeing more of them than we want!

    2. Is the year 2030? A Nostalgic look at how we were?

      Back to primitive Britain where nothing works .. no power, fresh water , sewerage and the big heat!

    5. Reading Sheila Steafel’s obit this morning in the DT, it struck me what a marvellous, but civilised, melting pot we managed to produce in our colonies. She, a young Jewish girl, was talent spotted at a Welsh Eisteddfod. In South Africa…

        2. We abandoned our colonies, deluding ourselves that Nigeria could be another Canada, that Tanganyka could be another Australia.

        3. Can you name a single African country which used to be a British colony in which the indigenous people are now better off?

          Since my father left the Sudan the country he loved has suffered: endless civil war, genocide, plague, famine, collapse of infrastructure and medical and educational services and finally partition.

          And the imbeciles say that black lives matter! If they did the British would have stayed in Africa.

  25. some of The Lies I have hears from Politian’s in the last few days

    SNP – People never voted for No Deal. I guess he never reads anything. It was a 100% clear that if No deal had been agreed within 2 years we left with No deal

    LABOUR – EU national only have 6 weeks to register to remain. False. They have until the end of 2020

    VARIOUS – We will fall off of a cliff if we leave without a deal, First no one is actually talking about a trade deal. All that is being discussed is how we leave the EU. Most things required are already agreed ie road haulage access to Europol database, civil aviation , medicine agency. EHIC, Right of EU citizens in the UK

    Falling off of a Cliff – Lets put some facts to this. Total EU trade amounts to about 12% of the UK economy . So the absolute worst case is 12% of our trade goes. That would be a big blow but not a disaster and the chances of that happening is about ZERO. We would still trade with the EU and the EU would still trade with us. WE would also where EU tariffs are hire buy elsewhere and or produce more in the UK as for the claims of food shortages that’s pretty much a lie. WE may have some minor temporary shortages but that’s quite common with food

    The figures quote that we import about 27% of our food but that’s somewhat misleading as some of that figure is down o the Rotterdam affect and some is just EU countries importing food from outside the EU and selling it on to use. Some they may do processing of and we have the strange situation where e export fish to the EU who process it and then sell it back to us
    The data is limited and not always clear but the true amount we import from the EU seems to be well below the 27%

    1. We seem to have survived a time when vengeful continentals were blockading our shipping with U-boats, rather than merely tying them up with paperwork for a few days at a time.

  27. Watching BBC Breakfast.. the only interesting article worth listening to .

    Timothy Spall is being interviewed, there is new film about him being L. S. Lowry .
    I thought he was terrific when he played the part of JMW Turner.

    1. I do like Timothy Spall but he was completely miscast as Lord Emsworth and the series was a total flop.

      P.G. Wodehouse’s books are best read rather than viewed in televised dramatisations. The only production that nearly worked was when Ian Carmichael played Bertie Wooster to Denis Price’s Jeeves.

  28. Politicians have reached a new low

    One think that Brexit has show in my view is what a bunch of lying cheating , misleading and undemocratic bunch most are. They just stick two fingers up to the electorate flit from party to party without any consent from their electorate

    The party Manifesto is just optional they choose to adhere to it or ignore it at whim. They also ignore democratic vote when it suits them, How many MP’s try to claim that the Brexit vote was a slim majority yet the very same politicians are happy to be elected on far smaller majorities . They just hypocrites in my view

    1. Representative democracy is a means for representative advancement.

      There is no connection with representing.

  29. For once I enjoyed Farming Today this morning.

    Practical ways to establish sanctions against Brazil for Bolsonaro’s axing of the forest protection fund and handing it over to migrant slash-and-burn farmers and their entourage gangs.

    Idea one is to shoot pigeons and use them as a useful form of fast protein, instead of corned beef. Little is wasted. Breast meat is carefully screened for shotgun pellets, the bones are boiled up for stock, the other bits used for pet food, leaving the feathers to stuff pillows with. Never mind that they are war heroes, nor the puritan animal rights activists who tell us we shouldn’t be enjoying ourselves.

    Idea two is to reduce our reliance on ex-rainforest plantation soya by reversing the 2001 ban on pig swill. If we boil up the slops, they needn’t carry deadly diseases. I don’t think Piggy will mind cooked dinners.

    1. I heard the programme as well. It looks as if they are suggesting going back to the Tottenham Pudding idea where pig swill is dealt with in central processing facilities away from livestock premises. That, if processed properly and sold in a dry pelleted form could be viable if local objections could be overcome. Collection of waste food would need to be carefully regulated. I hope we won’t be going back to on farm licensed swill plants.

      1. ‘Morning, Clydesider, I wonder if the Tottenham Black Pudding could be dealt with in the same way. All it utters is pig-swill.

  32. Ooh, BREAKING NEWS – Boris is going to suspend Parliament from the middle of next months. Smelling salts for Beff Rigsby and Laura Koonsberg, please …. quickly.

    2. We enjoyed a South African commenting on the BBC what a shambles Brexit is turning out to be.

      It is reported that there are forty murders a week in Cape Town, so perhaps he should turn his attention to his homeland?

    2. So if you can’t get a job with your worthless degree and you are steeped in unrepayable debt then you will get governmental help if you becme a dealer in drugs.

    3. Will they provide cars as well so they can distribute the drugs more easily? The lunatics are definitely running the asylum!

  34. Boris Johnson risks clash with Brexiteers if he only secures concessions from EU on the Irish backstop
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/27/boris-johnson-risks-clash-brexiteers-secures-concessions-eu/

    If reports in the Media are true then Boris Johnson is about to betray those who want a proper Brexit. As he was only chosen in order to achieve a proper Brexit he will be thrown to the wolves if he loses the trust of the Conservatives and all those who voted to leave the EU. If he betrays the Leavers the Conservative Party will never be trusted again: it will be the end of Boris and the end of the Conservative Party.

    Boris will wallow in the mire as long as he has not got parliament behind him; this means that the composition of Parliament must be changed by a general election leading to a pro-Leave House. In order to achieve this:

    i) He calls an immediate General Election;
    ii) Deselects all ardent treacherous Conservative MPs;
    iii) Makes an alliance with Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party giving way to him in the constituencies where Conservative MPs have been deselected and where the Conservatives have little chance of winning. Nigel Farage made it perfectly clear yesterday that he is more than happy to make an electoral pact and that for the Brexit Party a proper non WA Brexit is more important than anything else.;

    This would ensure a victory for a proper Brexit. If Boris fails to achieve this then he will be thrown to the wolves.

    Most politicians are untrustworthy but I trust Nigel Farage more than I trust Boris Johnson.

    .

    1. Morning Richard

      We are entering Banana republic territory .

      Sorry , but this is turning into a horror story . It is not the ending I had imagined .

      This Brexit has been mishandled and has been interfered with.. I feel utterly depressed.

      You are so lucky now to have the opportunity to sail away and forget things for while .

      1. Leavers are the David and Remainers, EU, Globalists are the Goliath.
        We will win.
        Be positive.

    2. Wotcha Richard,in your Turkish travels do you remember meeting a yachty called Neil Jennings?? Ran a charter business out there

  35. ‘People’s vote’, ‘people’s march’, ‘people’s’ this that and the other, substitute ‘Loser’s’ for ‘people’s’ and it all makes much more sense.

      1. As an island race it is an organisation which is part of our culture. embodies our history and with which we all identify. Therefore it has to be taken down by any means possible. Sadly, the means seem to be working.

    2. Blair used to use this term ‘The People’s’ when he tried to suggest that everything was done for the People in the New Labour Party.

      I wrote a satirical song about him in 1998 which started:

      I’m a populist prime minister from a minor public school
      I love your adulation so I’ll make Britannia cool
      I’ll toady to your prejudices – wreck the House of Lords
      And if you vote New Labour you’ll have joined my mindless hordes.

      in a subsequent verse:

      The People’s Party, People’s Dome, the People’s lottery
      I am the People’s laxative so the people swallow me.
      Pragmatic opportunism has given me success.
      A sad girl died and so I dubbed her ‘The People’s Princess.’

      I offered to go and sing it at the Conservative Party Conference but they turned down my offer and consequently the Conservatives lost the next two elections by enormous majorities.

    1. Nicked and sent to them @ supporter_care@rnli.org.uk

      I remember when the RNLI fired a man who would set sail in a Force 10 at night, for free, to rescue ANYONE, because they thought his coffee mug was “sexist”

      Reap as you sow.

      RNLI faces ‘perfect storm’ of more lifeboat callouts as funds fall.

      I cannot feel sorry for you and will no longer support you as long as you bring politics into a humane rescue service.

      2. This is truly disappointing. I am what they call a Shoreline member of the RNLI and I have been supporting it for years.

        Maybe they should change their advertising slogan to:

        No matter what your race you can still get buggered if you go to sea. Support the RNLI.

        1. morning Plum I’ve recently taken up Cryptic crosswords and I can get some but even when I read the answers I can’t imagine how the deranged person who produced the puzzle thinks the clue is consistent with the answer. However it keeps my remaining brain cells active

  39. Brendan O’Neil spikes the warmists

    So now we know: the idea that the Amazon rainforest is burning on an

    unprecedented scale and that these fires will rob humanity of one of its

    key sources of oxygen is fake news. It is hard to think of any other

    global event this year that has been as awash with misinformation as the

    rainforest fires. We’ve been told these fires are a calamity, an act of

    ‘ecocide’; they’re proof of humanity’s contempt for the environment;

    they will blacken and possibly even destroy ‘the lungs of the world’,

    as the rainforests are referred to, given they produce 20 per cent of

    the world’s oxygen. It’s all untrue. We are being misled.”

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/08/27/the-myth-of-ecocide/

    1. I remember millenia ago when you poured scorn on the media for suggesting that dinosaurs would vanish from the face of the earth.

  42. Walking can add minutes to your life. This enables you at 85 years old to spend an additional 5 months in a nursing home at £4,000 per month.

    My grandpa started walking five miles a day when he was 60. Now he’s 97 years old and we have no idea where the hell he is.

    I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me.

    The only reason I would take up walking is so that I could hear heavy breathing again.

    I have to walk early in the morning, before my brain figures out what I’m doing…

    I joined a health club last year, spent about £250. Haven’t lost a single pound. Apparently, you have to go there!

    Every time I hear the dirty word ‘exercise’, I wash my mouth out with chocolate.

    I do have flabby thighs, but fortunately my stomach covers them.

    The advantage of exercising every day is so when you die, they’ll say, ‘Well, he looks good doesn’t he.’

    If you are going to try cross-country skiing, start with a small country…

    I know I got a lot of exercise the last few years…
    …just getting over the hill – and coasting down the other side.

    We all get heavier as we get older, because there’s a lot more information in our heads. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

    AND

    Every time I start thinking too much about how I look, I just find a pub with a Happy Hour and by the time I leave, I look just fine

    1. You misheard it. The Prime Minister just said that remainer ministers were rogues.
      Tell us something we don’t know.

  44. I just got up and read the panic page on the Guardian –

    The pound has now hit a one-week low against the US dollar at $1.218, down more than a cent today.

    I checked with xe.com – it’s 1.22

    As it was 1.20 a week ago, why does the Guardian say the pound has ” fallen off a cliff ” ?

  48. Back from my appointment at the Knee Pain Clinic. Appointment for 10am. Arrived at 9.40am. Saw doctor at 9.45am and home again by 10.15.
    Well done St Peter’s Hospital.
    Follow up in 6 weeks. Awaiting MRI and physiotherapy appointments.

    1. Good for you – and lucky you. As I said the other day, in Narridge a “new, urgent” appointment will be three months ahead – follow ups four months after that.

  50. I passed two council lads on grass-cutting machines yesterday. One was wearing a Hi-Viz vest and the other wasn’t. I take my hat off to the latter.

    Since it’s the machine that’s most likely to give one a sore foot, why aren’t they painted in Hi-Viz colours and their drivers left to wear what suits them on a scorching day?

    1. Last year, in yer France, I saw a bloke strimming. Ear-defenders; hi-viz waistcoat; sun hat – shorts and flip flops…{:¬))

      1. As I’ve mentioned before, I once got collared on the market by an ‘Elf ‘n’ Safety bod and advised to wear a Hi-Viz vest. When I asked why I was told that without one I stood out like a sore thumb.

        Unfortunately, though, such was the poor quality of the vests on the stall which sold them that I couldn’t find it.

    2. Something needed to be done, and urgently, to fight back against the scum forces of evil that are threatening civilisation.

  53. Yes its on the way, and with Nigel being able to fight every seat in a Generel Election, he will keep Boris to his word.

  54. Start panicking we have a new scare story

    The UK is facing a sweet potato shortage due to ‘climate change’ and a ‘weak pound’

    Well a weak pound dos not create shortages for a start. Yes this year is not a good year for sweet potatoes but that’s farming. Some years you get a good crop and some you don’t. It is nothing to do with climate change just normal weather

    Britain is facing a sweet potato shortage after extreme weather hurt US crops and import costs rose thanks to a falling pound.
    In London and the South-east, stock levels are said to be just one 20th of what they are usually, leading to inflated prices and fewer products on shelves.
    A number of British supermarkets said the issues are widespread but added buyers are working hard to meet demand.

    2. There is plenty sugar beet in Norfolk. The sweet potato crop has failed in the USA, trumps fault of course.

      1. One of the local farmers feeds his stock on sugar beet and occasionally a couple will fall off the trailers passing the house.
        I picked a couple up and, after peeling and cooking them, found them more than palatable.

    3. I had always thought that sweet potatoes were only for the diet of those dwelling along the Nigger.

      1. I remember reading about whole families that died due to the mother cooking yams incorrectly in Nigeria when I worked there. There’s no such danger with sweet potatoes.

    4. I think I might survive. I’ve seen them in the supermarket thousands of times and I remember the days when they were called ‘Yams, also known as sweet potatoes’ and we learnt about them in our geography classes.

      In all those years since I’ve never been inclined to try them. No need when I’ve got perfectly good real potatoes at hand.

    5. Don’t eat sweet potatoes anyway. Never saw them until relatively recently, so it seems to be a new fad.

  55. Funny Old World
    For three years Remoaner MP’s aided by the bent Squeaker and the Remainstream Media have played every Parliamentary trick in the book,bending our constitution mercilessly in their efforts to thwart Brexit
    Bojo adopts the same tactics and suddenly it’s a coup??
    I hope there is plenty of deselection time for the Tory Quislings before the next election

    1. The reality is that it is normal to suspend parliament prior to the Queens speech

      If this happens the suspension would only be a short one The Commons does not return until the 3rd September then it goes into recess again from about 12th September to about the 9th October for the Conference season so we are looking in effect about 3 weeks suspension prior to the Queens speech

    1. Have you done the

      Bins
      Ashtrays
      Empty wine bottles
      Tinnnies
      Put the cat out,
      Opened the windows
      Checked the mail
      Watered the ‘herbal; plants’
      etc

      Yo jM

      1. No. Bins full and flies emerging therefrom.
        No ashtrays.
        No. Still piled up and clinking outside.
        No. In the sink.
        No. Local cats busy outside all night scoffing garden birds.
        No. Wasps circling outside waiting for their moment,
        No. Nobody loves me except speculative funeral directors.
        No. All dead.
        etc.

        Nottling greets the new dawn.

        4. I saw this picture on another page a couple of days ago and commented on the poor guy caught between Tusk and Macron, not knowing whether to smile or not:

          He has the look of “I only came over here to straighten the flags, but Tusk is so scary that I’ve frozen in fear. Oh no, now I’m in the photo as well… That will mean a beating for me tonight.”

        1. The band should have changed their name when Peter Green went ga-ga and they recruited women.

          Fleetwood Mac, for me, will only ever be the seminal line-up of Peter Green, Danny Kirwan, Jeremy Spencer, John McVie and Mick Fleetwood, playing blues-based standards.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJWOtL-PZiE

          1. I’ve a story which involved myself and a slightly younger (than me) girl in 1969 while that song was playing. Not printable though.

          2. One of my favourite songs of all time from the moment I heard it. That pop group with the simpering Nicks has nothing to do with Fleetwood Mac other than the name they carry.

        2. The story goes that Christine Mcvie had declined to appear with FWM again. “I’ll only do it if we get a marching band”. So they did! And a real Hammond chop. The very first DVD I ever bought:

          https://vimeo.com/55142638

      3. Boris looks as if he buys his suits off the peg unlike the three tailor dummys on his left.

      4. Boris Johnson is not tall (5’9″) but look at those narrow-shouldered midgets, Micron, Conte and Tusk. Merkel has broader shoulders than any one of those three.

        Politics always attracts those who suffer from ‘small man complex’. They feel that the exercise of political power makes up for their diminutive physical stature.

        Bercow’s a prime example of a little man, filled with self-importance, strutting on the world stage.

  60. Spotted at another place:

    “To paraphrase Bomber Harris

    “The
    Remainers entered this Parliament under the rather childish delusion
    that they were going to use Parliamentary procedures to stop everyone
    else, and nobody was going to use Parliamentary procedures to stop them.
    At Westminster they put their rather naive theory into operation. They
    sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.”

  61. Mr Johnson had no choice other that to prorogue Parliament as Parliament has proved beyond doubt that it is incapable of carrying out Brexit:

    Here’s another letter that the DT will not publish:

    Sir,

    Over the last three years Parliament has shown conclusively that it is incapable of carrying out the result of a referendum so a second referendum would probably produce the same impasse which ever way it went.

    However if the Conservative Party and the Brexit Party joined forces and fielded exclusively pro-Brexit candidates and if the Labour Party, the Lib/Dems, the Green Party and other pro-remain parties fielded exclusively remain candidates then the result, which ever way it went, could be enacted by the political alliance with the most parliamentary seats.

    Richard Tracey

    1. I thought that the point of a referendum was that Parliament removes itself from the decision-making process, and simply asks the people to tell it what it should do? Unfortunately, the proles gave the wrong answer so Parliament is nobly having to save us from ourselves.

      A pox on the lot of ’em! A General Election can’t come fast enough.

      1. “A pox on the lot of ’em! A General Election can’t come fast enough.”

        All right saying that but we will still get all the same hapless and utterly useless candidates to choose from again and again.

        What we need is a complete clear out and a new swatch of candidates chosen by the electorate and not by the party machines.

        1. I have been impressed by the quality of candidates that Farage has assembled. Ordinary people from all walks of life, professional politicians not wanted. Regardless of Brexit, I would rather see a party of the people in power, rather than the career spivs we have at the moment.

  65. “People’s Parliament”……

    Lol…..

    Who always gives warm, friendly, cosy sounding names to his organizations when the reality is the exact opposite ?

    See also “Withdrawal Agreement” !

  66. STOP PRESS

    Good news. The pushy nurse is NOT ill or on holiday. She is, she told me, suffering from a First World Problem – her laptop isn’t working.

    Fortunately for us, her access to NOTTL (and everything else) is almost nil. She invites anyone who has her e-mail to contact her.

    She hopes that things may improve. Perhaps she should give the lappie an enema….

    I thought you would all like to know that all is well in Colchester.

    2. After all, we live in a Parliamentary Democracy.

      We used to but when Parliament decided that it didn’t wish to carry out the result of the referendum that all went by the board.

    3. Parliament has been discussing Brexit for three years and all it has achieved is to prove that it is incapable of discussing the issue.

      At the last general election both the Conservatives and Labour committed themselves to Article 50 and Brexit. The present composition of Parliament has proved itself incapable of keeping its commitments so a different composition must be found through political alliances. For example the Conservatives and the Brexit Party could form an electoral pact for NO EU Deal while Labour, the Lib/Dems, Greens and others can pledge themselves to NO BREXIT.

      Pro Remain Conservative MPs and pro Leave Labour MPs can prove their political integrity by standing down and joining other parties.

      1. “Pro Remain Conservative MPs and pro Leave Labour MPs can prove
        their political integrity by standing down and joining other parties”

        Resigning on a matter of principle is called for.

        1. MPS do not resign, even when caught in criminal acts. After all, many of the fraudsters were never prosecuted.

          1. How many voted in favour of HS2 or the Iraq war, both of which were presented to Parliament fraudulently?

    4. But the remainer MP’s are trying to subvert democracy, and reverse the result of the referendum ?

    5. He is the least democratic Speaker we’ve had in my time. He wants to Remain in the EU. He cannot criticise what Boris is doing. The outriders are closing in on Balmoral and the suspension of Parliament by the Queen is expected soon. The usual suspects are being rounded up by the BBC for pro remain MP interviews and it is good to watch their blood pressures rising as they splutter on about an affront to democracy.

    6. Just caught part of the news on BBC1 where Anna Glueberry and Wee Nicky Krankie have expressed utter outrage at Boris Johnson’s move – “a huge constitutional crisis”, outrage against democracy – … now can they say these things with a straight face? My goodness they’re upset!

    7. They had their say and passed the A50 act. Prior to that they had voted to pass the decision to the people in the form of a referendum, which turned out to be the biggest we’ve had. We are leaving the political construct called the EU to become and independent nation once more. 45 years is but a brief blot on our thousand year old history as a free nation.

  71. Thought for the day.

    Did the Queen suggest to Boris that he should get her to prorogue Parliament?

    He must have mentioned it to her to see if she would consent to doing so, otherwise he will be left looking very silly if she refuses..

    1. ” What was that, Boris ? You have to excuse me. I’m 93 years old and my hearing isn’t what it was. Do I agree that the Parliament is full of rogues ?
      Of course Boris, it was ever so. But Philip tells me it is much worse now. Yes, Boris of course I agree with what you say “.

  72. Sir Keir Starmer on BBC Breakfast. Justin Welby. Phillip Hammond. Corb Jong-yn and his motley crew. The list goes on … and on … and on …

    The Frankfurt School’s programme of Critical Theory (a.k.a. “Cultural Marxism” — an oxymoron if ever there was one) is kicking into higher gear. It has already, over the past few decades, stealthily spread its vile ideology by infiltrating all existing society including schools, universities, unions, the film industry, the news media, the church, the police, the judiciary, the military, the health service, the civil service and all political parties.

    It has done, and is continuing to do, all this whilst we on the Right sit with our thumbs up our arses.

    The Critical Theory crew are embedding their ideology — largely without being noticed — in the popular mind, in the hope of eventually leading the masses to abandon their own cultural identity and national heritage, by their own volition, without resistance or objection.

    Their sole intention is to destroy all notions of tradition, religion, nationality, ethnicity, sexuality, the family unit and natural justice, in order to re-assemble society in the future as a Socialist utopia.

    Their generals (see first paragraph) are regrouping for the next phase. And still the Right sits on its arse and whinges on social media.

    The battle is lost.

    2. Morning G

      Me being politically naive okay , but who influenced these people and where did their ideology arise from .. Were they all LSE students .. and why do they hate free thought .

      1. Morning, M.

        I think most of us on the Right are “politically naïve”. If we weren’t we would have started the fight back in earnest some time ago.

      2. Good morning Magic Maggie

        I had a girlfriend who was at LSE from 1969 – 72 studying Russian and economics. Apparently the Conservative Club had the largest membership of a political club at LSE in those days in spite of its reputation for being a hotbed of communism.

        (After ditching me, on the rebound the silly girl went and married a chap who became the PDG of a very large multinational company!)

    3. “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” (Edmund Burke)

    4. Why does the European Commission love ❤ that lefty progressive multi billionaire guy so much ?

      Is it much the same in Britain ?

  73. Cricket is squandering its big opportunity

    Without the oxygen of free-to-air TV coverage, the sport is withering, despite Sky’s millions

    Nobody knows the first thing about prejudice, wrote Paul Johnson, unless they are a red-haired, left-handed Catholic. Ben Stokes is certainly red-haired, bats left-handed and, from the evidence he has presented to the world in his 28 years, he is pretty catholic in his tastes. He would be ill-advised to complain about prejudice, though. The man who could have been booted out of top-level cricket following an incident in a Bristol bar two years ago is now the king of all he surveys.

    Whether or not Stokes played the innings of our lives at Headingley on Sunday, carrying England to an improbable victory by a single wicket, it was unquestionably the innings

    of his life. As Ian Botham found out 38 years ago, when he batted no less heroically on the same ground, taking England to a victory in a Test even more topsy-turvy, the all-rounder is now marked for the rest of his days.

    We shouldn’t pretend that English cricket is in rude health, though, just because a gifted player laid claim to immortality. Indeed, there is no sport quite like cricket for prompting overwhelming morning-after questions. One of them is whether the sport’s governing bodies will come to regret this superb summer of cricket as a missed opportunity.

    Yes, we rejoiced at the tidings from Headingley. But, less than two months after a public outcry forced executives to make the almost equally staggering Cricket World Cup Final available for all to watch, it would have been grand if Stokes had been able to share his shining hour with more people.

    Cricket has not been regularly shown live on terrestrial television since 2005, the year when England won a tumultuous series against Australia, with Andrew Flintoff playing the cavalier’s role he inherited from Botham and bequeathed to Stokes.

    Since then the sport has surrendered its profile and a generation has grown up knowing next to nothing about Joe Root, the England captain, who is one of the finest batsmen in our history, and James Anderson, England’s all-time leading Test wicket-taker.

    Although Sky’s millions grease the wheels of the professional game, enabling the 18 first-class counties to stay afloat, in some cases on the flimsiest of rafts, the grassroots game is far from thriving. Without the oxygen of publicity that comes with free-to-air coverage, it is withering.

    In state schools, it does not exist in any meaningful way. Meanwhile, even long-established clubs report sorrowfully that they are giving up fixtures. Once the traditional pastime of summer, it is now ranked as the eighth most popular sport in schools, behind even the likes of netball and basketball.

    Those games, of course, are less expensive and occupy fewer hours. They are ideal for lazy teachers. Cricket requires greater dedication and proper facilities, yet between 1979 and 1997 more than 10,000 school playing fields were closed. Is it any wonder this magnificent game is passing youngsters by?

    One of the problems is that the England Cricket Board (ECB) has not always used the Sky windfall to develop the game wisely, instead focusing on flashy gimmicks.

    Next year, it is introducing an absurd confection called The Hundred, featuring eight city-based American-style “franchises”. We don’t know – and neither do they – what form it will take, but from what we have been told so far it will be a cross between rounders and It’s a Knockout.

    Perhaps Colin Graves, the ECB chairman, will lend a hand in the role that Eddie Waring made his own. There will be no need for any team to play its “joker” with him around.

    English cricket is richer than it has ever been, and poorer in spirit. The Hundred will pour in millions more, to the tune of £1.3 million a year to each of the 18 first-class counties for the next five years.

    But without free-to-air television, which helps to make heroes of those who perform mighty deeds, it is hard to see how we introduce the joys of the game to the Ben Stokeses of tomorrow.

    His century, while bracing, underlined just how much we have lost even in the 10 years since he made his debut for Durham. Nor is the reckoning complete.

    I wish the Daily Telegraph would bring back the impressive Michael Henderson to be its cricket correspondent once again. No correspondent since has possessed his wit, insight, acuity and wordsmithery coupled with a deep love of our national sport.

    Keeping him as an occasional freelance is simply not good enough.

    1. Maybe schools could encourage parkour, especially in the housing estates that have replaced playing fields? Just a thought.

  76. Interestingly they say they want us to leave with a deal but there is no deal on the table the only deal on offer they rejected and that was not really a deal but just how we leave the EU it did not cover trade at all

      1. Did she have to use a dildo to bugger you or has she had a dramatic transitioning surgical reconstruction?

  78. I believe that Justin Welby received David Cameron’s backing when he became Archbishop of Canterbury.

    Cannot this odious meddlesome priest suffer the same fate as one of his predecessors did on 29th December, 1170? Failing that cannot Boris Johnson go to the Queen and recommend that he be sacked and sent to do menial jobs in the Third World?

    1. If only he could b confronted by some descendants with the same drive to action?

  79. Democracy is now under serious threat with the Remainers trying every dirty trick in the book to try to overturn Brexit. The serious battle will commence next week when the commons returns

  80. Conservative MP and former attorney general, Dominic Grieve said he is working on a plan to organise a “humble address”, which is a direct call from the Commons to the Queen.
    He said: “I think the decision to prorogue for five weeks is constitutionally wrong and frankly outrageous.

    Well it is not 5 weeks for started. The Commons returns next week for a few days before going into recess again until the second week in October

  81. Isn’t this fun, watching parliament tear itself apart?
    They have had two years to do what the electorate voted for.
    I think Lizzy should pop down to the Commons, bang their heads together and tell them to behave like grown-ups the, spoilt little b*satards.

    1. I was walking freely around Malmö on Saturday and I didn’t feel threatened at any juncture. I have lived in SW Sweden for eight years now and have never been threatened, bombed, shot or knifed.

      My cousin and his girlfriend who were visiting us were very far from ‘depressed’ at being here. They found it to be clean and very beautiful and can’t wait to come back.

      [By the way: there is no such place as “Malmo”. That is a spelling error!]

  83. The Metro is reporting that Boris will suspend Parliament from mid September to enable A Queens speech on 14 October

  84. Johnson’s proposed action today forced me to listen to Mr James O’Brien, on LBC. He is in meltdown but not in his usual partisan ranting mode; he was all nice and talking sotto voce to all the Remainers making comments on his programme and only returned close to his usual mode when a Leaver turned up. The first guest I heard when I tuned in lost me when she claimed how great the civil service are at being independent and impartial etc.

    In around 40 minutes I can recall only one Leaver making it through but Lord Kerr and Margaret Hodge were invited to make their contributions.

    As far as I’m concerned, Johnson remains an enigma as he continues to stir the political pot. What is/are his motive(s) for what he has proposed today, is he:

    1. Going for a WTO exit?
    2. Trying to force a no confidence vote followed by a GE and obtain a working majority? What then? A mandate to sell us out or set us free from the Brussels’ cabal?
    3. Applying more pressure to the EU?

    or is it

    4. Pure and simple smoke and mirrors to disguise a WA sell-out?

      1. No matter how many times you say that, the echoers will be repeating their sheer speculation from here to Hallowe’en.

    2. The only solution that I can see for those if us who want a proper Brexit is an electoral pact between the Conservative Party and Mr Farage, deselection of treacherous Conservative ‘Remain’ MPs and a general election.

      I don’t think that the Conservative Party would win a general election without Brexit Party support but the Brexit Party on its own could very well destroy the Conservative Party, but would not be able to form a government and this would put us back in the EU.

    3. My bet is 4. The very fact that he wants nothing to do with Nigel or any Brexit party support points that way.

    4. It’s a bit like Trump. One tweet “Let’s buy Greenland”. Low cost, no staff needed.

      Result – Democrats go into panic mode, wasting time and resources planning their defence.

      Trump carries on, business as usual, thinking of the next method of stopping them getting a foot in the door.

      1. He’s PM and so has to do something but it’s difficult to gauge what he’s really up to. If he’s on our side then all well and good but if he’s batting for the other side we will be very disappointed. In the event he stitches us up the ‘Boris Bounce’ will not save him or the Tories.

      1. Yo basset

        Well, Berk Ow does get more slimy, the more worked up that he gets

        He is still peed off he was not invited to his wife’s inorgasmination, by his cousin

      2. I agree, O’Brien is a tw@ and why, as a general rule, I do not listen to him. However, today with Johnson’s announcement I thought it would useful to hear the reaction of this rabid anti-Leaver.

  85. BTL Comments in DT today, made me laff:

    “Simon Bell 28 Aug 2019 12:53PM

    I have not seen Bercow so angry since he discovered his wife was having an affair with his cousin.

    Andy Dawson 28 Aug 2019 1:03PM

    @Simon Bell I think he’s more annoyed this time.

    At least this time, he gets to watch the proceedings…

    1. As soon as she heard about Corbyn’s letter, Jo Swinson also penned a letter to Her Maj……she wants to keep her name in the frame….how pathetic. I hear that there are barely any grouse on the Balmoral estate this year…….perhaps The Lord High Admiral needs some target practice to keep his eye in.

  87. Shame Mr Bercow is so unhappy, he is such a nice man to the left. he should leave the job after not being consulted.

  88. The most hysterical reactions to Boris Johnson’s Queen’s speech
    Steerpike – Coffee House – 28 August 2019 – 11:48 AM

    Boris Johnson announced this morning that he will attempt to schedule a Queen’s speech on 14 October, and will suspend parliament for several weeks in September to do so – cutting down the amount of time MPs have in parliament to prevent a no-deal Brexit.

    It’s entirely normal for a new government to schedule a Queen’s speech on taking power, and will usually suspend parliament beforehand (though not normally for this length of time). Boris Johnson’s decision will also bring an end to one of the longest parliamentary sessions in history, and will not close parliament during the actual Brexit date, as many anti no-dealers initially feared.

    Nonetheless, as expected, as soon as the prorogation was announced there was a clamour of hysterical reactions from Remain-leaning politicians and public figures, claiming that Boris’s decision was a constitutional outrage.

    Here are the best reactions of the bunch:

    Flying out of the traps was the former Labour minister and fully-fledged Remainer, Lord Adonis, who suggested that the government’s plan was a ‘constitutional outrage’ that would be ‘hotly contested’ in parliament. Mr S wonders if Adonis was quite as annoyed when Speaker John Bercow bended constitutional convention to stop a no-deal Brexit in March…

    @Andrew_Adonis
    If this is true, it is a constitutional outrage & crisis, unless there is an immediate election. It will be hotly contested in parliament and the courts

    Breaking News image
    Government to ask Queen to suspend Parliament
    Government expected to suspend Parliament from mid-September, meaning MPs have limited time to stop no-deal Brexit

    Acclaimed author Philip Pullman meanwhile went a step further, and insisted that Boris Johnson has ‘finally come out as a dictator’. He then rather sinisterly suggested that we should ‘get rid’ of him ‘as soon and as finally as possible.’

    @PhilipPullman
    The ‘prime minister’ has finally come out as a dictator. I’ve had enough of being outraged. We must get rid of him and his loathsome gang as soon and as finally as possible.

    The Labour faction Momentum kept to the same theme as Pullman, and suggested that the entirely normal practice of prorogation was evidence of an ‘establishment coup’. Something suggests to Mr S that the group would be far more relaxed if it was Jeremy Corbyn storming the Winter Palace to take power.

    @PeoplesMomentum
    An unelected prime minister looks set to approach an unelected monarch to ask her if he can shut down parliament to force through a disastrous no deal Brexit.

    Make no mistake – this is an establishment coup.

    Labour MP Jess Phillips meanwhile suggested that she had never ‘met the kind of people who game a system just for the sake of winning a game’, in response. Never come across anyone gaming a system before, not even Remainers in parliament? Mr S isn’t convinced…

    Jess Phillips Esq., M.P.
    ✔
    @jessphillips
    Before entering parliament I had truly never met the kind of people who game a system just for the sake of winning a game. I was not raised in a place where people genuinely want to prove they are the biggest big dog for being its sake. It’s been a shock.

    While Sarah Wollaston said that Johnson was behaving like a ‘tin pot dictator’ and called for ministers to do the right thing and resign in response. While we’re on the subject of democratic accountability, Mr S notes that it’s been several months now since Sarah Wollaston first left the Conservatives, joined Change UK, and then defected to the Liberal Democrats – all without calling a by-election in her constituency. Perhaps if she’s that concerned about convention, she should start by looking a little closer to home…

    @sarahwollaston
    Johnson behaving like a tin pot dictator. Time for ministers to resign & Conservative MPs to cross the floor rather than be tainted with this outrage https://twitter.com/bbcpolitics/status/1166624427833999360 …

    @BBCPolitics
    Government to ask Queen to suspend Parliament

    And finally, back in Labourland, Clive Lewis channelled his inner revolutionary, and suggested that the police would have to remove him from the Commons Chamber if parliament was suspended in September. This is, presumably, the same Clive Lewis who didn’t bother to vote against suspending parliament over the summer in June this year.

    @labourlewis
    If Boris shuts down Parliament to carry out his No-Deal Brexit, I and other MPs will defend democracy.

    The police will have to remove us from the chamber. We will call on people to take to the streets.

    We will call an extraordinary session of Parliament. #PeoplesParliament

    ******************************************************************************************************

    BTL:

    Lamia • 2 hours ago • edited
    In the late 1980s a number of IRA ‘active service units’ which were attempting to carry out terrorist attacks were ambushed by the SAS. A considerable number of IRA ‘soldiers’ were killed in these incidents.

    The reaction of the IRA and its cheerleaders in the legal profession and the Guardian was of ‘outrage’ that the British government was not playing fair and merely trying to arrest their members who were only, er, trying to kill other people.

    That ‘outrage’ was not shared by the vast majority of the general public, which wholeheartedly approved of the IRA getting force-fed its own medicine. I suspect that most of the British public will view with similar indifference the ‘outrage’ expressed today by traitor MPs who were yesterday gloating about their conspiracies to take over the working of Parliament in order to stop what the majority of the British public voted for in 2016 – to leave the European Union.

    And if anyone thinks associating Remoaners with the IRA is in bad taste, ask yourself who in recent months has co-opted the threat of IRA violence as a reason for the British public to accept that we can’t leave the EU.

    Here’s a constitutional outrage: Parliament voting to allow a referendum on EU membership, and then trying to stop the implementation of the result.

    Here’s another constitutional outrage: an openly biased Speaker ignoring convention and making up new ‘conventions’ of his own in order to aid the obstruction of that implementation.

    Here’s another one: hundreds of MPs lying to the electorate when they stood on manifestos proimising to take the UK out of the EU.

    Here’s another: Parliament approving the activating of Article 50 and then later on complaining – falsely – that this didn’t include leaving with no deal agreed with the EU (leaving aside that the EU itself, so beloved by those hundreds of lying MPs, has broken its own Treaty and insists that it will not make a trade deal until we have left the EU.)

    There have been quite a few other constitutional outrages by Remainer MPs and their establishment friends since June 23rd 2016. (I haven’t even started on the Electoral Commission, for instance.) They are in no position to lecture from the moral high ground when they are standing in a pit of their own dishonesty.

    brushdustandpan Lamia • 2 hours ago • edited
    This would make a great bullet-point list.
    We could add: fear-mongering economic projections that didn’t happen

      1. T-B Jeremy is demanding a meeting with her Majesty. I suspect Elizabeth will not be amused.

      2. It’s Aberdeen , it could have been but it could have been David Cameron’s RAF plane as the occasion merited. Jacob looks happy. It is a DT photograph.The lady and gent beside him were also involved in the audience..

        1. It was a tongue in cheek question.
          Getting seats on a budget airline at such short notice would be improbable, in my experience.
          I suspect you’re right; but Cameron’s? The Queen’s, surely!
          };-O

    3. Rather ominous yellow sign and arrow above the Moggster’s left ear, is it not?

      Moreover he appears to be carrying the latest Enid Blyton to read on the ‘plane.{:^))

      1. Five Leave the EU? Five On Brexit Island? (that last is rubbish – I’ve read it) Five Rush Over a Cliff?

  92. Queen Nicola has made an urgent application to the Court of Session to prevent Rees Mogg leaving Scotland
    (Ok Its a joke just in case anyone takes it seriously)

  93. If it wasn’t for Gina Miller , TM’s bad deal would have gone through without Parliament approving it , but we have a parliamentary democracy , which trumps direct democracy which is what the referendum was , even though it isn’t legally binding.. bit like an opinion poll .. which measures the public mood.

    The question is how we are going to leave .. what is our clear understanding ?

    1. We are going to leave with no deal on 31st October – that’s the legal position. All that is needed for that to happen is to scotch all the remainiacs’ attempts to subvert the process.

        1. Note, Bill, that I have made no prediction about whether we CAN scotch all the remainiacs’ attempts to prevent that happening. As it stands, that’s the legal position.

    2. It is now firmly in the hands of the EU. They have to give ground or we just Leave. The decision is now with them

      1. Back to square one. They won’t give in. That would give ammunition to the other downtrodden little countries in the EU who have tried it and don’t like it.

  94. he pressure is now really on the EU, I think we may see a Canada ++ deal back on the table. The only downside is at this stage it may require a short extension to Brexit. Provided that is l
    locked down in a proper legal document with timescales and a get out clause if the EU prevaricates so we can just Leave it would probably be acceptable and would can the consent of parliament although the Lib-Dems , SNP and others will still throw their toys out of the pram

    2. We are more likely to get it or better after we Leave. Leave first then negotiate. No delay – we come out before 1 November 2019 [edited to change September to November]

      1. “Leave first then negotiate.”
        Hmm, yes. There is no rush. Things just roll along as before until changed. I think two years is the limit. WTO rules apply. Not a problem at all. Far from it. WTO rules are an existing, internationally recognised set of trade protocols. It will be up to the EU to solicit decent terms from us, not the other way round. With every passing day after Brexit, we can realign our imports. Food from NZ, Australia, SA, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, the USA and wine , of course. Cars from Japan and Korea. With every day passing after Brexit the businesses of the EU can watch one of their largest and easiest export markets dwindling, dwindling.
        The EU have threatened us with every economic and financial sanction that they could dream up, short of military action. If we leave on October 31st despite the opposition of our own home-grown traitors, all of the EU threats will vanish like a burst soap bubble. The threat is only real if you believe it, like nightmares. Leaving will be like waking from a nightmare, it will be behind us.
        Let us remember that. The EU cannot stop us leaving. There is nothing in any Treaty that suggests they have a veto. Quite the contrary.
        There was never any need for negotiation. Only our home-grown traitors put that onto the table. All that was ever needed were some simple administrative arrangements such as we have with a hundred countries.

        1. We can have two years trading under GATT Article XXIV with no tariffs. Plenty of time, given the right people in Parliament, to get everything sorted.

          1. That is what I was trying to say, (without looking anything up). The EU has sort of dug itself into a hole. They are all that they have.
            We have a lot of fence-mending to do with the Commonwealth. We can do it. There are some pragmatic blokes in places like Oz and so on…

    1. ….and Hannan might have added “Suppressing debate within EU member states regarding the undemocratic nature of the EU and its current trajectory is likely to destabilise the entire phoney edifice before you can collect your inflated pension, boyo”

    2. I seem to remember we have had 3 years of debate and it was decided we would leave on 31st October

  97. Boris seems to have put the fox into the Remainer Henhouse and the squawking is terrible. I hope there’s some football on the box tonight (or perhaps I’ll read a Robert Goddard and listen to that Cole Porter CD I picked up) …. and I won’t have to water the garden tonight as the rain is really coming down now.

    1. I did here they are going to try to recall parliament for Friday. How much truth in it I don’t know but I would guess it is something they might try

      4. Well I think they were referring to the feathered variety but with that top on those might fly if she trys to run

  99. Has Boris outfinessed Gauke’s and Hammond’s dull buggery with his own skulduggery?

  100. UK Share Slump claims the fake news BBC

    The truth FTSE 100 up 3/4% FTSE 250 down slightly

        1. Please do not post photographs of that useless poofter on this forum.

          The sight and sound of him invariably makes me throw up!

    1. I have had root canal treatment .. cost me a small mortgage ..

      My DENPLAN which I have had ever since it started does not cover that treatment

      The chap who did the treatment is an orthodontic specialist and very good , not my usual dentist .

      I have to say that my jaw aches like hell still and I had the work done over 2 weeks ago . I had to keep my mouth open for an hour .

      My whole body feels as if it is falling apart .

      Today was a check up to see if the work was successful .. Jaw and neck still ache , told him that .. getting older , I guess.

  102. Boris, today, mentions more dosh for this and that and more legislation.

    I realise it’s utterly revolutionary, but how about finding out if the taxpayer is getting value for the money we already spend and simplifying our legal system so rocket scientists and brain surgeons can understand it?

    1. If I recall though Major was doing it for the very noble cause of avoiding a scandal about cash for questions? Whereas Boris is clearly out of order in trying to uphold a referendum result, with 17.4 million people voting in favour of Leave!

      1. Money-grubbing is a traditional parliamentary perk, and therefore money-grubbers should be protected. Paying attention to voters? That’ll be a “Naw!”.

    2. Let me get this right.

      Remainiacs are upset about Boris using an ‘undemocratic’ method of getting out of their beloved undemocratic EU?

      You couldn’t make these people up!

      1. Some of the hypocrites are trying to pretend that they have accepted the referendum result and that they merely want to prevent ‘the dangerous no-deal exit that nobody voted for’.

        1. The “dangerous no-deal exit” is precisely as dangerous as changing your weekly shopping from ASDA to Waitrose.
          Certainly not more, and likely less. But salacious scare stories are all the Remainers can come up with. So far no major bad effects have been believably suggested.
          The trivia have been held up as show-stoppers. “You will have to show your passport and get a visa”. Well, actually we did not need visas for France in 1965, and you have always had to show your passport. Once in France or any Schengen member state you can travel freely between them without showing your passport or needing a visa as they don’t have any border posts. Oh, and you can still put whatever you like on your sandwiches.
          One new benefit might be not having to pay VAT on online purchases from European businesses. The UK would lose nothing , although the EU would, and the UK consumer would benefit from what would be a discount of up to 27%.

    2. I can’t get there now – not registered so I can’t post comments but I used to read them. The new website just freezes.

    1. What is the punishment for arguing with the Queen ?
      ” Off with their heads !! Off with their heads “”

  106. Boris Johnson announced this morning that he will attempt to schedule a Queen’s speech on 14 October, and will suspend parliament for several weeks in September to do so – cutting down the amount of time MPs have in parliament to prevent a no-deal Brexit.

    Well it is not correct to say several weeks it actually amounts to about 6 days of sittings . That because they don’t return until the 3rd of September. They then sit for a few days before breaking for the Conference season which goes on to 9th of October

    1. A couple of charging points have appeared in my local Tesco. I make a point of parking in them since otherwise, it is wasted space.

  108. BBC latest – The value of the pound has fallen following news that Parliament is to
    be suspended just days after MPs return to work on 3 September.

    http://www.xe.com – £ is at the highest exchange rate in the last thirty days,

        1. Fortunately, as I never watch any news/political/current affairs prog on any tv channel, I have no idea to whom you refer.

          Rigsby from Rising Damp; PC Rigby from Z Cars….

          That’s about it…

          2. Indeed, Conwy – but I could not bring myself to make fun at his expense.

            Odd how no one in public life – apart from his comrades – appear to remember anything about that ghastly event.

          6. White Anglo-Saxon Christians, were they? If not they were the product of an open-door immigration and appeasement policy.

          7. They were born here, they are English. You don’t have to be white or a Christian to be English. Did the open-door policy start shortly after WW2? The English practise freedom of religion.

          8. The English are a race just like the Japanese. If I had been born in Japan, I wouldn’t have been Japanese. They may have held British passports but they most certainly are NOT English!

          9. Believe that you’ll believe anything. Some of us have roots in France, others in Germany, even more in Scandinavia and so on. We are a nation and the English are natives of that nation. We are not a race. You have some weird beliefs that go against the whole history of the British Isles.

          10. We are Europeans, as you have just shown. We are not Africans. Ergo if you are English you are not non-European. Some of us trace our ancestry way back to before the Norman Conquest.

          11. Yes, but.
            Their parents were probably born in Nigeria, and the two murderers would (presumably) be entitled to Nigerian citizenship.

            Adebowale’s father worked at the Nigerian High Commission, so it is likely that he would maintain family links with his country of origin.

          12. So?

            Born in Lambeth wasn’t it? Lived in England all of his life? Educated in England? Has English citizenship, can vote in English elections. He’s as English as I am, though a slightly darker shade.

          15. What is “English citizenship”?
            I do not know if the murderers ever possessed any Nigerian ID, but I expect their parents were careful to maintain dual nationality.

          16. Sorry should have been British throughout. We’re not really encouraged to think of England as a separate country unless we are talking about sports teams.

          17. blimey, enough already of my nitpicking.
            Just looked at a couple of your earlier posts. Do you ever sell boring stuff on Ebay? Quite an easy way to earn a few bob, if you live near a Post Office.

  110. Boris has done the right thing. At the last round of commons votes they firmly REJECTED the EU’s only offer that was on the table they also agreed to extend the Brexit date to the 31st of October. That was not conditional on a deal being struck

    There is no point in endlessly going around the same loop another issue that they have not cared to mention is to extend the date the EU have to agree to it and I think it is unlikely they would

  112. Owen Jones has called for a demonstration tonight to call for stopping Boris proroguing Parliament.
    I hope he doesn’t get beaten up again. Not.

    1. Again?? not one statement from his 6 mates and no sign of cctv coming to the fore,no apparent bruising
      I call bullshit

    2. Again?? not one statement from his 6 mates and no sign of cctv coming to the fore,no apparent bruising
      I call bullshit

  114. That’s it for today. I am going to prorogue myself until tomorrow.

    Have a jolly evening being witty and kind. Give a thought to the silent pushy nurse….

    A demain.

  115. A petition gathering signatures like there is no tomorrow.
    Set up by Mark Johnston, it reads:

    “Parliament must not be prorogued or dissolved unless and until the Article 50 period has been sufficiently extended or the UK’s intention to withdraw from the EU has been cancelled.”


    The arrogance of these people is breath-taking.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/petition-to-not-prorogue-parliament-smashes-100000-signatures-less-than-three-hours-after-a4223216.html

    2. Parliament voted for the referendum act. They voted to enact Article 50.
      They voted down the deal three times. But apparently it’s Boris’ fault
      we are leaving…………………

  116. This BTL comment below the DT article re Boris Johnson’s letter to the Queen.
    Interesting point. What do you think.

    Martin Bennett 28 Aug 2019 2:59PM
    Just a tiny point here

    My understanding was and is that any matter rejected by the House cannot normally be reintroduced in the SAME session of Parliament. Hence while the WA was voted down three times the speaker professed to find it different enough to allow it to be presented.

    In a new session technically the WA could be presented as a matter for debate and voting on because the clock had been reset.

    How many MP’s would vote for the WA rather than face a no-deal exit?

    It would also allow them to in effect cancel BREXIT while not being seen to revoke Art 50.

    Mr Johnson has been banging on about the backstop – but the WA amounts to a surrender agreement to talk about talks ad infinitum.

  119. Conference season to be extended until October 31st to enable them to properly debate Brexit

  120. A good opportunity to post this while all eyes are on the politics. A photo taken about 2 weeks ago when Bob of Bons https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2203e332897607482e2648236b54224a4631663e9d4dc263f75f752e02698ca8.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9f329333cfca8b71619381dfde857d835cf5634bfa28df28c23be0f47e6b5503.jpg nal and I met up at Sutton Bank. The only excuse I have is that it was raining. I have added one taken a little earlier in my life for comparison

    3. You both look frozen

      Who took the pic.. I don’t think I have ever seen a cloudless sky from the top of Sutton Bank , the air is beautifully fresh and crisp, nitheringly cold sometimes!

      2. It was warm but we watched a rain-shower approach from the West.
        As it approached, it seemed to divert to towards the Gliding Club to the South and we only received the tail end.

  121. I have just seen that the arch remainiac, far-left, Illiberal Undemocratic Davidson woman – posing as a Tory – is resigning.

    Good riddance. Makes my evening.

    2. No it’s not good that Ruth Davidson is resigning,
      she is a strong minded and tough taking woman
      and knew how to deal with Nicola Sturgeon.
      I might not agree with her stance on ‘ no deal’ Brexit
      but she she’ll be hard to replace as leader of Scottish
      Conservatives.

      1. No she won’t. All that is needed is no brains and a big mouth. Hopefully we might get a straight heterosexual Christian. Or maybe not.

          1. Man or woman. An old fashioned right wing conservative Conservative with a tough sensible straight-talking character is required. Unfortunately, I doubt that one can be found amongst the servile wimps that make up the Scottish Tory MSP and MP grouping.

        2. There needs to be a big mouth to out shout Nicola
          Sturgeon, she is called the smiling assassin who had
          a Salmond in her teeth once.

      3. Oh come on, she was so into being gay (or whatever they call themselves), pregnant and a Europhile, that she became a cartoon-type figure. Like Sturgeon is – nobody takes her seriously except the SNP.

      5. You are entitled to your view.

        She is a remainiac; she is more Limp Dumb than Tory.

  122. ” Greta Thunberg is likely to arrive in New York soon after crossing the Atlantic in a zero-carbon yacht.
    “Land!! The lights of Long Island and New York City ahead,” the 16-year-old Swedish climate activist tweeted on Wednesday.”

    I look out of the window, and it’s raining. I think that girl has caused enough bloody trouble.

          1. She could crush the life out of them with the weight of her disapproving stare.

            “I’m killing them for their own good” would appear to be her life motto.

      1. It’s a nice area, that.

        “The precinct saw 9 murders, 27 rapes, 309 robberies, 343 felony
        assaults, 301 burglaries, 484 grand larcenies, and 72 grand larcenies
        auto in 2018”

  123. This is just getting funnier and funnier by the minute…..

    Soubry: I want to meet the Queen too
    Anna Soubry has become the latest opposition party leader to say she has asked the Queen for a meeting to discuss the suspension of Parliament.

    The Independent Group for Change
    ✔
    @ForChange_Now
    · 4h
    .@Anna_Soubry on Sky News: Boris Johnson has no mandate to drive through a disastrous “No Deal” Brexit. There is a parliamentary majority against “No Deal” and Parliament must resume so that we can continue cross-party work to legislate against a “No Deal” on October 31st.

    https://twitter.com/ForChange_Now/status/1166682688683683840

    Anna Soubry MP
    ✔
    @Anna_Soubry
    I have written to HM the Queen asking her for a meeting with other Privy Councillors following the PMs anti democratic proposal to prorogue Parliament.

    856
    14:59 – 28 Aug 2019

    1. I think you ill find the Commons voted for us to leave on the 31st October, Deal or No Deal

      1. …..and yet still get all those appearance fees for her very frequent visits to the TV studios.

        1. In my day – 20+ years ago – yer politicians did NOT get paid for going on the telly or wireless.

  124. This is just getting funnier and funnier by the minute…..

    Soubry: I want to meet the Queen too
    Anna Soubry has become the latest opposition party leader to say she has asked the Queen for a meeting to discuss the suspension of Parliament.

    The Independent Group for Change
    ✔
    @ForChange_Now
    · 4h
    .@Anna_Soubry on Sky News: Boris Johnson has no mandate to drive through a disastrous “No Deal” Brexit. There is a parliamentary majority against “No Deal” and Parliament must resume so that we can continue cross-party work to legislate against a “No Deal” on October 31st.

    https://twitter.com/ForChange_Now/status/1166682688683683840

    Anna Soubry MP
    ✔
    @Anna_Soubry
    I have written to HM the Queen asking her for a meeting with other Privy Councillors following the PMs anti democratic proposal to prorogue Parliament.

    856
    14:59 – 28 Aug 2019

  125. How does this planned suspension of Parliament compare with the normal cycle i.e. how many days usually pass between sessions?

    Sessions normally last a year. This one’s been going for more than two.

    1. THe actual real suspension is about 4 days as the Commons is shut down from about 13th September to the 10th of October for the Conference season

  126. CityFibre plots to snap up TalkTalk broadband arm

    new ultrafast broadband network backed by Goldman Sachs is vying to take over a rival venture set up by TalkTalk, the FTSE-250 telecoms group.
    Sky News has learnt that CityFibre, which is part-owned by the Wall Street giant, is among a small number of bidders battling to take control of FibreNation, which wants to build fibre connections to 3 million UK homes.
    The entry of CityFibre into the FibreNation fundraising process underlines the land-grab taking place for share of a market given added impetus by Boris Johnson’s pledge to see full-fibre broadband in place across the country by 2025.

    2. As I posted elsewhere BTL@DT

      Marc Lewis 28 Aug 2019 4:44PM
      A coup by an unelected Prime Minister

      Michael Hudson 28 Aug 2019 4:49PM
      @Marc Lewis

      No; a counter-coup against a Speaker who has gone native in the HoC and thinks he’s The King of the Castle and that the Leave voting electorate are mere Dirty Rascals

    3. That isn’t a massive demo. It’s a bunch of guys with nothing better to do, paid a few quid each to stand around.

      1. The claim parliament is suspended for weeks is jut lies. Boris has suspended it for about 4 days. The rest of the time parliament is in recess in any case

      2. Nice recyclable signs that they are using as well. “This is bad” can be used at just about any upcoming demo.

      1. With small populations of disparate tribes actually killing each other would have been a last resort. This kind of serious grown up “tig”, established a pecking order without bloodshed (some of the time.). But, those Crow and Blackfeet need sorting out.

    5. Just seen this and I am amazed at the age profile of this Remainer demo. I thought all of us old folk voted to Leave and were being asked to FOAD.

    7. Dianne Kemp. Perry Barr Polytechnic tweeting in a human capacity. Must be a full moon if she’s taken human form.
      She doesn’t like me. The feeling’s mutual.

      1. I know the woman, She is a fairly complete snowflake. She has a kindly side, but is a total victim of PC thought – reckoning for example that the knife-crimes in London are completely explained by poverty and 2living cheek by jowl”.Surprise, surprise, she used to work for the BBC, BTW I would applaud any PM who renamed City University, Perry Barr Polytechnic.

  133. Look , I am rather unhappy with the bravado from Boris.. is there a trap?

    I’m primarily backing a deal before a no deal but if a deal can’t be agreed because parliament can’t decide on a deal, I believe the question should be put again to the people on whether to leave with a no deal. It should not be Boris’s decision alone.

    If the people endorse a no deal then it validates it

    It’s not hard to see the morality in that

    Bite my head off Nottlers if you disagree with that?

    2. We voted for a clean break T-B. “No Deal” provides that. The WA will not be altered and the Backstop will be kept in. I wrote in 2016 that the redlines in the UKs position and the EUs position would never be crossed and that remains the position. Boris must go for the Clean Break.

    3. The choice was leave or remain. We chose leave by a margin of over one million. During the campaign, the remainers, Cameron chief among them, kept emphasising that what we risked with leave was “no deal”. We chose leave (and thus, no deal) regardless.

      1. When people do not bother to vote they are making a statement:

        “I will support the result and I will go with the majority.”

        Over 30 million people with the right to vote accepted that we would leave, a majoity of nearly 2 to 1.

    4. True_Belle – With all of the joys of the increasing “postal votes” corruption, and the general lack of honesty or morality on the Remain side, then if they trick us into a 2nd Referendum then there is only one thing that is in doubt:

      Will they announce that we have voted to Remain in the EU before or after the polls close?

      We don’t know if they will even pretend to count them this time. Some of the real polls that were not from YouGov, just before the last referendum, had the Leave vote on 70% – 76%, but the result that they announced was 52% / 48%. Although those polls may have been taken from people whose families have been living in the United Kingdom for more than 50 years.

      When you add in all of the votes from the “new arrivals” it seems the wishes of the British people are massively watered down.

      1. How will the questions be phrased? Shades of Leave, but only one remain, to split the vote?

        1. You can almost see the questions already. Do you want to:

          A: Vote to Leave the EU with the Withdrawal Agreement (and be trapped for decades under corrupt politicians who do not need a “backstop” to keep us tied to the EU. After another 5 million migrants have arrived we will then have another Referendum about becoming full EU members.)

          or

          B: Remain in the EU as members (this will also mean that the EU’s plans for closer integration and “more Europe” will require us to give up the £, become part of an EU Army, and give up any hope of controlling any immigration from the millions of new EU citizens who have just arrived from North Africa.)

          Although I suspect that they will leave the text in the brackets off of the ballot paper.

          1. Totally agree. A second referendum will be rigged. We joked before the first one that the questions would probably be…

            Yes – I do want to stay in the EU.
            No – I don’t want to leave the EU.

    5. Do you think if Remain had won by 52 to 48 we’d be going through all this …. asking for another “people’s vote” backed by a frantic RemainStream Broadcasters.

      No.

      Let us leave.

      1. I wasn’t referring to that .

        I agree with all or nothing .. I am NOT a remainer , but the past 3 years of terrible dithering when there really should have NEVER ever have been any negotiation or fiddli foddling by DD and Fox , May and co . They fluffed things up by having too many conversations with EU wallahs .

        What on earth happened to Brit True Grit .

        I am only lary of Boris because I am uncertain of his motives.. he is either as big a fool as Corbyn or a pure genius ..

        Can he pull it off with out Labour causing a riot.. I DO hope so

        He is competing against Farage , isn’t he?

    6. The no deal has already been approved by parliament that’s why they are panicking

    7. Lets wait and see, if Boris tries it on he will loose the election to the brexit Party who will then put it right. So don’t worry.

    8. Hello, Belle. What questions would your referendum ask? A binary vote can really only be Remain or Leave because it’s not known if we even can get any sort of deal (other than the WA). That, to my mind would just be an identical referendum to the one we won.

    9. There was no mention of a deal in Art. 50, Maggie, nor in Cameron’s £9M missive to the public. Also, a deal was never mentioned during project fear. The WA was cooked up by the EU and May to delay and eventually scupper Brexit.

      1. Article 50 in fact puts the onus on the EU to maintain good relations with neighbouring countries! All it says is the leaving country gives notice and after two years, if no other arrangements are made, it leaves. No divorce bill, no payments, nothing.

      2. That was my understanding DB

        Where has this deal business come from .. From TM and her original deal team.. and Farage .. who wanted a deal, before we even had a referendum!

        1. Negotiations was always o the cards as a result of Article 50 which gave us 2 years to agree our exit. Originally the EU said the leaving date was set in stone, If no agreement was reached in that 2 year period we just left

    10. We don’t need a second referendum and all the delays that would cause. We voted to Leave – nobody promised a “deal”.
      Even May said “No deal is better than a bad deal” and a bad deal is what she came up with. So No Deal it is.

      1. I am not looking for a second referendum either, BUT it may come to that .. lots of ifs and buts..

        Looks as if Boris is full steam ahead and firing on all cylinders. We must pray for a happy outcome.

        How was Bristol visit?

        1. OK thanks! We didn’t get lost this time. The surgeon was very positive and explained what he would do. He showed us the images from the MRI scan and he’ll join the broken subscapularis tendon back to the bone.

    11. I won’t bite you head off Belle but no deal, as defined by Article 50, voted for by a majority of MPs, is the default position and the law. That’s what MPs voted for but, as we know MPs don’t like majorities they think the majority are stupid. As they are MPs we can concur with that statement, they are stupid.
      Perhaps they didn’t know what they were voting for.😂😂

    12. I think Boris has become so pissed off with the meanderings, the skulduggery etc of the Remain side that he’s decided to, effectively, kick them in the bollocks, and not before time too.

    14. Britain has a system where Parliament has primacy. Trying to skirt round that seems pretty devious to me. Oh, and referenda have no legal standing unless they result from an Act of Parliament, which includes guaranteed acceptance of the resuls – otherwise they are opinion polls.

      1. Parliament passed the legislation to set the referendum in motion. There would have been none of this had the result been remain.

      2. Not true Cameron choose to make it binding and parliament voted to accepted it by voting for article 50

      3. The vote was passed to the people so on this issue the people had primacy. can you not see that.?

      4. “Oh, and referenda have no legal standing unless they result from an Act of Parliament – otherwise they are opinion polls.”

        Videre licet – The European Union Referendum Act 2015.

        Edit:
        I see you’ve niftily edited your post to include the words “which includes guaranteed acceptance of the results” but I’m afraid that dog won’t hunt either.

        That guarantee was given by Cameron (both pre and post the vote) and by Theresa May, who, as Prime Ministers, were empowered to give such a guarantee because the Referendum Act 2015, was a Government Bill.

        BTW the Bill was introduced by ….. wait for it ….. the arch-Remainer, Philip Hammond.

    15. It doesn’t matter what you or me think about Boris. Boris is a means to an end. He was pulled out of the lottery hat as the guy who could calm things down, honour the results of the Referendum, and get us out of Europe, and, in the assumed post-Brexit euphoria, make the Consvative Party electable again. Handled correctly, he would have a better ” legacy ” than his already-forgotten predecessor.

    16. Remember, T_B, that “no deal” is a misnomer. It is WTO rules, which means, in fact, lots of little deals. We already trade without FTAs. It is hysterical remainer nonsense whipped up to scare people. Don’t be fooled.

      1. As far as Withdrawing from the EU is concerned and that is all that is being talked about as it does not cover trade is that we have substantial most things agreed ie Civil Aviation, Europol , Travel etc

  134. EU parliamentarians are circulating an emergency question to the
    European Commission calling for action under Article 7 of the EU’s
    founding treaty, which has been used to censure countries such as Poland
    and Hungary when their governments have been deemed to be undermining
    democracy or fundamental rights.

    The bid, launched on Wednesday evening, already has the backing
    of dozens of MEPs from member states including France, the Netherlands,
    Romania, Spain and Denmark – and drawn from all of the parliament’s
    mainstream political groups. MEPs have until next Monday to put their
    name to the proposal, when it will be sent to the commission, and
    organisers say new signatories are being added every few minutes.

    2. Won’t the 17.4 million who voted to leave be impressed by being censured by the MEPs we want to leave behind. This is probably the straw that will break the camel’s back.
      Bring it on and ensure that the U.K. leaves the EU with the default position of Article 50.

    3. Its nothing at all to do with them. All noise and no action. Parliament passed on to the British people a referendum that they would honour no matter what the result. that is the end of it, and it is now going to happen. It has all been passed in parliament. It is all legal.

      2. Sounds like a plan.Get them totally PO’d and maybe they will throw the UK out of the EU. In which case, job done.

  135. Let’s enjoy it while we can. What was that line, “It’s the hope I can’t stand.”? The MSM is in full blown hysterical meltdown.
    What the Prime Minister has done is what one would expect from any newly appointed Prime Minister. He has just tweaked it a little, and added a few extra days holiday. As Rik posts below, the no-deal warfare is not about no-deal, it is about stopping Brexit. We can easily negotiate trade deals etc as from November 1st this year, so it obviously is not about that. We have, quite literally, hundreds of MPs who were elected as a result of them telling flat lies to the voters in their constituencies simply by standing on a Tory or Labour manifesto.
    As for everything being under the control of Boris and not Parliament, well Churchill was pretty much in charge of everything for a few years. It worked out eventually.
    As for those thinking that maybe he will accept the WA, the Remainer’s Prayer, remember he has to balance the shambles that would result against a clean “no deal” Brexit followed by a knighthood in the New Year’s Honours List. (Difficult choice. Betray the country, destroy the Tory party and be hated for eternity by over half the population of the country, OR, get us out completely and immediately in two months time, and save the Tory party, by doing what the country voted for, and earn a knighthood in the process?)
    Over to you Mr Prime Minister, your choice.)

  138. There was a post recently about the difference between the old and young generation regarding protecting the environment (It took the form of an old woman at a checkout being berated by the checkout operator for not being environmentally aware and the old woman’s response listed the way older people were more aware than their children).

    Does anyone have a copy please?

  140. Letters from the council turned up today related to a
    general election – the information they require.
    They might election in the waters. It seems to be heading that way
    which might be Boris Johnson’s ultimate plan.
    Strike whilst the enemy is weak but it’s very risky to play with the hard left.

    3. He should keep both his mouth and his trousers fully zipped. Surprisingly, isn’t Liz Hurley a leaver?

    4. Another full time tw@. Is there or has there ever been a more annoying face and haircut on the planet?

  142. “Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson ‘on verge of quitting'”
    What a shame.

      1. Yes, one can sense the dog’s latent energy. She desreves better than an owner who gives off couch potato vibes …

  144. Following the new that parliament has been suspended the value of the BBC has sunk to a new low and if we leave without a deal we will have a serious shortage of BBC programs and BBC presenters may have to resort to using food banks

      1. Yup. The BBC have had a very lazy three and more years simply repeating the same old arguments over Brexit and actively promoting Remain to the exclusion of everything else of moment in the world.

        If the BBC wants to justify its continuance as a publicly funded institution it had better have a clear out of Sopel, Kuenssberg and Co. and start reporting news.

        Another gripe: cricket coverage should be free-to-air too. I would happily see the blanket coverage of ruddy Wimbledon replaced by cricket coverage.

        Another gripe: just how often are we expected to watch repeats of Dad’s frigging Army and Porridge? Where are the new programmes?

        1. Bbc no longer covers any sport I watch; racing has gone, eventing and show jumping are on the red button or you get an hour or so of “highlights” once the result is known. Ditch the licence fee asap!

        2. Channel 4 does cricket way better than the BBC ever did. I don’t mind an advert or two between overs.

          1. Used to drive me wild when they tried mixing cricket with the racing. I had to record it all to whizz through the bits I would never normally have watched. Even the fact that Richie Benaud was knowledgeable about racing didn’t endear it to me.

  145. Meghan and Harry take note!

    Eco-warrior Greta Thurnberg, 16, arrives in NYC after a 15-day sailboat voyage across the Atlantic for a UN climate conference because traveling on a gas-guzzling jet goes against her principles
    Greta Thunberg, 16, tweeted on Wednesday morning that she had arrived in New York after her two week sailing journey from England
    She is anchored off Coney Island in Brooklyn waiting to clear immigration
    Thunberg is expected to dock at Manhattan’s North Cove Marina near the World Trade Center later on Wednesday
    The teen, who is attending in a UN climate summit next month, refused to fly to New York to avoid a plane’s gas emissions
    She made her journey on a yacht equipped with solar panels and underwater turbines that produce electricity onboard
    It sparked some controversy after it emerged that several people would fly into New York to help take the yacht back to Europe

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7403265/Greta-Thurnberg-arrives-New-York-sailing-Atlantic.html

    3. The yacht is no more eco-friendly than a Formula One racing car. £4million worth of clever design and very high tech materials, in hull, sails, electronics, Diesel engine…

        1. No. Yachts have these engines so they can make way* when there is no wind. Helps them to steer around other boats, oil tankers and buoys.
          Just like having nuclear power stations when there is no wind for wind turbines, kind of thing.
          (Just don’t mention it when we do the interviews, hand out Press Releases…)

          * A technical nautical term.

          1. Did the Swedish muppet know that? She would never have stepped aboard had she been told….

        2. When the wind wouldn’t blow and the ship wouldn’t go…
          they called for Carter ….

          1. No stir in the air, no stir in the sea,
            We stuck, nor breath nor motion;
            As idle as a painted ship
            Upon a painted ocean.

  148. In Chess Terms, Boris has the White Pieces and has played The Queen’s Gambit Opening. Now Black has two main variations available Queen’s Gambit Declined and Queen’s Gambit Accepted

    1. What about the King’s Indian defence? There’s no gambit there and it’s a defence that leads to attacking opportunities for black for giving up some ground in the centre.

      1. Yes, but we’ve got so many Indians on our side that the King’s Indian has no chance.

      1. Juncker and Verhoftwat are the Black Rooks. Merkel and Macron, the Black Queen and King. The East Europeans are the Black Pawns.

  150. Parliament has had three years to debate Brexit, they have had enough time, now they should shut up and let Boris get on with it, although I still think this is all a bit of theatre and he will sell us out in the end.

    1. As someone has pointed out below, the ghastly WA with its political declaration is now open for debate and voting again, as it will be a new session of Parliament.

      1. I understood that the EU made it a condition of the extension that the WA could not be reopened. The EU were however prepared to tweak the declaration document which of course is just as malevolent towards the UK as the full WA.

  151. You just could not make this up

    An alleged rapist wanted for breaching his bail is on the run again after magistrates freed him because they couldn’t find an interpreter.

    Halwest Muradi, who is accused of raping a woman in her 20s in St Botolph’s Church Walk, Colchester, in November, was granted bail by Colchester magistrates last month and was due to appear at Ipswich Crown Court today (Wednesday August 28) for a plea hearing.
    However the court heard today that 24-year-old Muradi had breached his bail conditions, which included a curfew at his home in Victoria Gardens, Colchester, and had been arrested earlier this month after being found in the back of an Amazon van in Kent allegedly attempting to “steal away”.

    Jane Oldfeld, prosecuting , said that following his arrest in Kent Muradi appeared before magistrates for breaching his bail but was released because they couldn’t find an interpreter.
    “They took the view that as they couldn’t find an interpreter they couldn’t deal with the breach of bail,” said Miss Oldfield.

    Judge David Pugh said Muradi was accused of a stranger rape and he found it ” utterly extraordinary” that he had been released.

    1. He didn’t understand what she meant when she said ” no ” and he couldn’t find an interpreter.
      A sound defence.

  153. Boris is defending the democratic rights of the people ….he’s got more balls than Major, Cameron and May together.
    Now just bloody well get on with it Boris.

      1. I share your scepticism, Mr T. But if he sells us down the river at the last moment, Fargae and Co. will roar into action. It ain’t over till it’s over, and it ain’t over yet.

        1. And Johnson will put up conservative candidates – and the LEAVE vote will be split and effing marxist Coirbynliner gets home.

          Can’t wait.

          1. Whatever happens, I feel that the days of majority parliaments are behind us, even without PR. Imagine a hung parliament with a substantial, and very noisy, Brexit Party component.

          2. As I have been saying over and over again ever since Boris became leader of the Conservative Party that he and Nigel will have to make an electoral pact if they want to achieve a proper Brexit. The alternative is No Brexit and the nightmare of a Corbyn government

            The Parliamentary arithmetic will remain pro-Remain until after a general election so that arithmetic must be changed so that it is in favour of a WTO Brexit.

            Brexit hasn’t happened because of the composition of the MPs in the HoC and because MPs didn’t – and still don’t – want it to happen.

        2. If Boris is a globalist then he won’t care about destroying his party and being hated in the history books – Tony Blair didn’t. Theresa May threw her Prime Ministership away in service to the EU. Globalists do not believe in local political parties because they don’t believe in Nation States at all.

          But you are right. If he does betray us, as so many, many others have, then The Brexit Party will take us out anyway. As long as Conservative voters do not keep voting for the likes of “Stig of the Dump” or Rory as he calls himself now. The globalists can only delay us leaving the EU, they cannot stop us. Unless we keep voting for them.

      2. That will be the end of Boris and the end of the Tories….I’m happy with that.
        Nigel is waiting in the wings…

          3. Crunch time.

            Enjoying seeing the likes of Bercow, Soubry, Grieve and all the other incorrigible Remainers crying “foul/fowl”
            They’re all chicken….

            ……cheer up Eeyore time for a large snifter…Hic!

  154. Well done Boris Johnson, parliament doesn’t represent the
    democratic vote any longer, they only want to gerrymander
    Brexit. The lefties are up in arms saying it’s ” undemocratic ”
    the EU are spitting nails and Bercow looks about to burst.
    It takes a brave man to stand alongside the people and their
    democratic vote and go against the established voices
    so good for Boris Johnson and of course the Queen.
    He saw Cameron and May both make a pigs ear out of Brexit
    and knows his back is against the wall and that he must deliver the goods.

    1. Aethelfeld – I like your optimism and want to be free as soon as possible from the EU. There is only one fly in the ointment, and it is a big one. The date that Boris has chosen to allow Parliament to return – mid-October.

      If he was really working to free the United Kingdom then he would have closed the doors to Parliament until November. Then we would be free and clear. But by choosing the date that he has there is a nasty possibility that this is all a game. Just as we have been played with before.

      In the next few weeks the charade will continue and the EU will get rid of the backstop (which was only put there in the first place so that the EU will look “fair” by removing it again) just as they always intended to. Boris will declare this a breakthrough and a deal that is now in Britains best interests (it isn’t.)

      Then Parliament comes back with no time to do anything but look at Boris as the days run out and he says “The Withdrawal Agreement without the Backstop, or No-Deal Brexit. Pick one.” Being Remainers they will, of course, choose the W/A as it keeps us under the control of the EU and gives them time to get us fully back in again.

      I do not trust Boris, and with all that he has been saying recently about just the backstop being the problem, topped up with him calling Parliament back just in time to pass the foul thing, I would not be patting him on the back yet.

      If this is a betrayal then the type of Conservative who would vote for traitors such as Hammond and May will really need to think how they can best serve their country when they get to elect new MP’s. We WILL be leaving the EU if we vote for MP’s that want us to leave.

      1. On your last para – lots of remainiac tories will vote for people such as you name plus Grievous and the other turncoats. They WON’T vote for TBP

        1. Then our country will be lost to the unending wave of islamic migrants that the EU will usher into the United Kingdom. Another 10 million of them fresh from the killing fields of the Middle East and Africa will present a real problem. We can stop them now. But we don’t want to let them keep shipping in reinforcements at the current rate of 250,000 a year.

          I was a Conservative voter all of my life until I saw how the party was being taken over by pro-EU Liberals. My current Conservative MP has said that he wants a 2nd Referendum. So he is not a real Conservative at all. I will not vote for the likes of him. I will vote for the Brexit Party at the next election. My country comes first. I know others who feel the same. It just remains to be seen how many will keep voting for Remainers.

          1. I voted Conservative all my life (when I didn’t, I spoiled my ballot paper). In 2011 I realised the Cons were playing us for fools over the EU and never intended to take us out, although they pretended they would. I joined UKIP and that’s where my allegiance will remain. I am extremely annoyed with Nigel that he will be splitting the leave vote and particularly incensed by his derogatory remarks about UKIP members who were fine when he was leader.

      2. Yes, I wondered about the date too. It doesn’t make sense if Boris really wants to ensure that we are out of the EU without the dreadful WA.

    2. Aethelfeld – I like your optimism and want to be free as soon as possible from the EU. There is only one fly in the ointment, and it is a big one. The date that Boris has chosen to allow Parliament to return – mid-October.

      If he was really working to free the United Kingdom then he would have closed the doors to Parliament until November. Then we would be free and clear. But by choosing the date that he has there is a nasty possibility that this is all a game. Just as we have been played with before.

      In the next few weeks the charade will continue and the EU will get rid of the backstop (which was only put there in the first place so that the EU will look “fair” by removing it again) just as they always intended to. Boris will declare this a breakthrough and a deal that is now in Britains best interests (it isn’t.)

      Then Parliament comes back with no time to do anything but look at Boris as the days run out and he says “The Withdrawal Agreement without the Backstop, or No-Deal Brexit. Pick one.” Being Remainers they will, of course, choose the W/A as it keeps us under the control of the EU and gives them time to get us fully back in again.

      I do not trust Boris, and with all that he has been saying recently about just the backstop being the problem, topped up with him calling Parliament back just in time to pass the foul thing, I would not be patting him on the back yet.

      If this is a betrayal then the type of Conservative who would vote for traitors such as Hammond and May will really need to think how they can best serve their country when they get to elect new MP’s. We WILL be leaving the EU if we vote for MP’s that want us to leave.

    3. He’s playing a dangerous game. I fully expect a vote of no confidence now and I think there’s more than a few Tories that will vote against their party simply to block a no-deal exit.

      1. Boris is certainly is acting decisive and taking a very big
        risk but some one needs to grab the bull by the horns
        as long as it doesn’t all go to pot with Brexit and
        also allows Corbyn into power.

      1. Brilliant. If only the Queen would suspend parliament
        long enough to throw them all into the Tower of London
        and point out that she is supreme.

  155. My understanding was that the Awful Surrender Document (ASD) cannot legally be re-opened, and that this was a condition of the EU granting the six-month extension. Apart from the embarrassment of re-opening the ASD after repeatedly saying they wouldn’t, the EU is a ‘rules-based organisation’ and would never break its own rules shurely…

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/brexit/negotiations/can-the-withdrawal-agreement-be-renegotiated-and-can-parliament-prevent-no-deal/

    “There are further obstacles to renegotiation. Legally binding EU Decisions were adopted by the EU27 and agreed to by the UK when extensions to Article 50 were granted. These Decisions, taken under the provisions of Article 50(3), explicitly rule out the reopening of the Withdrawal Agreement.

    The European Council Decision of 22 March and the EUCO Decision of 11 April set out conditions for extension: they both state that the extension: “excludes any re-opening of the Withdrawal Agreement”.  In a letter on 22 March and another on 11 April, the UK’s Permanent Representative to the EU, Sir Tim Barrow, confirmed UK agreement to the extensions and their conditions. ”

    1. Not wishing to be negative but aren’t the EU good at ignoring and breaking their own rules?
      I really don’t trust any politician anywhere.

      3. gg, if it turns out that what they’ve agreed to and had written on tablets of stone doesn’t suit their new agenda of domination then they’ll be as flexible as a female floor gymnast to get what they want. Johnson and his team have to be aware of what the sharks in Brussels are capable of. He’s trying to back them into a corner and they are a cabal used to getting their own way: they will not be happy to be bullied. Finally, if all he’s after is an amended backstop then he’s a fool. If he believes he has them on the back foot then he must go for the jugular.

    3. For the night is dark and full of terrors ………

      And what about the ghoulies and ghosties and long-leggedy beasties and things that go bump in the night in Scotland?

      3. Wasn’t there concrete evidence earlier today of block e-mail voting?

        The lack of any impartiality in BBC reporting is now a very serious problem which must be addressed sooner rather than later.

        1. It is even worse than bias; it is the constant dishonesty in reporting, whether Brexit, or foreign affairs, or pretty well anything else.

      4. One million is a significantly smaller number than the 1.7 million majority that ‘leave’ had in the referendum.

        These people are wasting their time.

      5. 1,405,228. Surprise surprise – the highest totals are in Cambridgeshrshire, Oxford and London.

    2. Paul Mason. Quite one of the most obnoxious commentators around today. A quarter of a century ago the Old Bill would have visited him to warn him of the laws on incitement and civil disorder but today the BBC encourages him as though he’s a novelty comedy act. He has written that he is “…in favour of state suppression of fascist groups…” i.e the monitoring of people he defines as ‘racist’.

      And he’s thick. He talks of BJ stealing his democracy…

      1. Oops, He talks of BJ stealing his democracy…

        I thought for a minute that Jill Backsoon was in real trouble

  160. Civil War in parliament next week …

    BBC Laura Kuenssberg has nailed her colours to the mast …

    1. …more like coloured her nails with mastic. Silly cow always follows the Biased Broadcasting Corporation line – she cannot/will not think for herself.

  164. US space plane spends record 718 days in orbit

    A secretive US space plane has reportedly set a new record for consecutive time in orbit after spending almost two years on its current mission.

    I hope, that it has an onboard ‘cludge’ (chemical loo) similar to that of a tintent, or the pilot will be crapping all over us

    Ooopps; that is the EU and their traitorous ‘friends’ from the left. including all the luvvies who do not even live in UK

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/28/us-space-plane-spends-record-718-days-orbit/

        1. It is definitely unmanned. That was announced here when it did its first long flight and confirmed for this one. That’s how it can stay up “indefinitely” per the Air Force.

          –Jack

  165. Boris Johnson faces court bid within 24 hours to block his move to prorogue Parliament

    Ministers face a court bid by 70 Remainer politicians and lawyers within the next 24 hours to stop them suspending Parliament on the grounds it is “unlawful.”

    The legal team claim Boris Johnson has broken the law by denying Parliament enough time to authorise a “no deal” before Brexit on October 31.

    They are seeking an interim emergency ruling from the courts on Thursday that would prevent the Prime Minister proroguing Parliament as he has proposed between September 9 and 12. This would be pending a full hearing on September 6.

    They are the same lawyers who successfully forced the Government to accept Britain could unilaterally revoke article 50 to remain in the EU after taking the case up to the supreme court.

    Separately, businesswoman Gina Miller, who won a legal action to require a Parliamentary vote before Brexit could be implemented, has applied for an urgent judicial review of the decision to prorogue parliament.

    Senior constitutional experts said the legal action was unprecedented which meant it was unclear whether it would succeed or fail. Lawyers cautioned, however, that judges might be reluctant to intervene in such a highly-charged political storm.

    Former attorney general Dominic Grieve, who has opposed no deal, said: “I don’t wish to say it’s hopeless but I’m not pinning my hopes on it at all. I think a court is going to be most reluctant to interfere in the royal prerogative on prorogation. We will find out in due course.”

    Martin Howe, QC, chair of lawyers for Britain, said: “There is no established law that would allow this case to succeed so it would be reliant on the courts inventing new law.

    “It would be very dangerous for them to go down that road. It would suck them right into the political mainstream and could severely damage the judiciary.”

    The legal action by 70 MPs and peers including LibDem leader Jo Swinson, the SNP’s Joanna Cherry and Labour’s Lord Hain has been backed by more than £100,000 crowdfunding and fast-tracked through the courts since the Government was first notified of it in mid-July.

    The court of session in Scotland on Wednesday granted a hearing for an interim injunction or suspension of the Government’s prorogation, although it is unclear if it will be heard on Thursday or Friday. The case is being taken in Scotland because courts there sit through the summer.

    The crux of the legal argument is whether the Government has allowed sufficient time for debate on a no deal Brexit, or, as the lawyers claim, is seeking to circumvent debate on it. The five-week prorogation is the longest for 40 years, with no others more than three weeks.

    Jolyon Maugham, QC, founder of the Good Law Project that is leading the case, said: “There is a claim it would be unlawful for Parliament to be prorogued…[and] in those circumstances for us to leave without a deal.

    “In extremis, if Parliament doesn’t have time to authorise by primary legislation no deal, the court may direct the Prime Minister to revoke the article 50 notification.”

    Challenged that Parliament could consider it before September 9-12, and after the Queen’s Speech on October 14, Mr Maugham said: “The court is going to have to wrestle with the question about whether that gives sufficient time.”

    Constitutional expert Vernon Bogdanor, professor of politics at King’s College, London, said the Government would argue Parliament has had three years to discuss it.

    “[The Commons] has passed a notification of withdrawal Act by a large majority of 382 votes and it has three times rejected the only deal available from the EU to implement Brexit,” he said.

    “Therefore in logic the Government would say the only possibility left is a no deal Brexit unless the EU changes its mind and amends the deal in some way that Parliament would accept.”

    Lawyers dismissed any challenge over the role of the privy council, through which the Queen is advised to prorogue Parliament, as it was a perfectly legal and appropriate mechanism for a Government to do so.

    However, on the legal action, Professor Bognador, said: “It’s very difficult to predict what judges will decide. We are in totally uncharted waters.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/28/boris-johnson-faces-court-bid-within-24-hours-block-move-prorogue/

      1. Even Grieve seems to think so.

        Jolyon Maugham is someone for whom should be arranged an unfortunate encounter with a barrel of tar and a sack of feathers.

    2. ‘Evening, William, “…it would be reliant on the courts inventing new law.”

      Correct me if I wrong but my understanding is that, apart from ‘Common Law’ (and that is now dubious) it is Parliament that makes the law, the police catch those who flout it (they, the police, uphold the law) and the judiciary oversees its correct implementation, bringing correction to those that flout the law.

      I’m also sure that Jacob Rees-Mogg, being steeped in Erskine May and Parliamentary Procedure will not have made any such fundamental mistake as to break the law or go against that procedure.

      I trust those 70 odd (very odd) people who try to bring this action, will face a humongous bill and costs.

      1. Here’s part of one BTL comment:

        Prester John 28 Aug 2019 9:46PM
        And of course, if the courts can decide what goes on in Parliament, and rule on it, that makes judges supreme. The Speaker ought to be defending the privileges of his House, by getting the Committee on Privileges to commit to the Elizabeth Tower cells those judges who trespass on the Commons’ privileges, should this come to pass, and likewise Norman Fowler as Lords’ Speaker.

        I think it is Dicey who asserts that judges have no business ordering the business of the House.

    3. I really wonder why I bother.

      An apt, relevant comment is ignored, whilst someone saying ‘Good night’ gets 2000 upticks

      Bye

      A very silly question, but in our ‘society’ who can overule the Queen

      If it seems eveyone and the dog (caled Soros) can, then I think the vast number of Labour voters will turn on on the Champagne Socialista, who manipulate them, then say No More

      In Two World Wars, our people have saved Europe from being under the heel of a German Boot, why should they let it happen now

      We need to be a free country, to make our own successes, and failures, control our own Borders, Trade and Fishing etc, but have mutual relations with the EU, ie if they get nasty on a topic/subject/area we get Nastier

        2. We try our best to bring sanity to the world, George.

          Just posted for the snowflakes on Ar$ebook:

          To my dear friends in Australia, America, Sweden, Norway, France, Germany, Switzerland and all points West, please bear with we British Exiters (Brexiteers) for a wee while more.

          We are fighting tooth and nail to shrug off the overall, suffocating shroud of the European Union, 17.4 million of us – the largest ever British Democratic vote – required in a Referendum in 2016 that our Parliament took the necessary steps to rid us of the over-bearing EU.

          3 years later, we are STILL waiting, as perfidious Members of Parliament, laughingly calling themselves Democrats, try to usurp the will of the majority by calling US Undemocratic.

          It may be boring to the outsider but, as it was on 3rd September 1939, we Brits are again fighting, alone (as usual) to rid Europe of a tryrannical, often Teutonic, ruling elite who wish to subject 28 European Countries to their will – a United States of Europe.

          Well, as we say in Norfolk, and I’m a Norfolk boy, “You never oughterer went and we oon’t.” (you should never have tried it and we won’t go along with it.) So, there will be many posts, from many parts of this United Kingdom that wish to dumbfound those who wish that we should REMAIN in an undemocratic organisation, that demands we pay them loads of money, allow them to make our laws and gives them the right to fish our waters, dictate our farming policies and override our Sovereign Status (We have a World-Revered Sovereign (93 years old but long may she reign).

          We get a bit tiresome but, in this tiresome world, we are fighting for our right to be British.

          Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa but we SHALL survive.

      2. One Last Try – Don’t let the disparity concern you. The number of “upticks” a comment gets is not that often a reflection of its value. If you go to some sites and say “Jeremy Corbyn for PM!” you could pick up 3,000 votes but it does not make it a good comment. Admittedly, on the left those votes would have come from just 6 beret-wearing munchkins sitting alone in their parents house with a school-day tomorrow.

        Making the comment itself is worth it. 🙂 You get readers such as I who go back and read the comments made the night before. Our minds are clearer in the coffee-burn of a new day compared to the cocoa-fuzz of a late night.

        (Also, it is becoming more common to uptick a comment just to acknowledge that you have seen it, if you do not have time to reply. Unless you actively disagree of course. 🙂

  166. Sherelle Jacobs, always a worthwhile read on the DT. A pity there is not more like her working there.

    The ecstatic outrage of Remainer MPs can’t distract from their bizarre failure
    The only thing worse than a battle lost is a battle won in the surreal world of Westminster

    Philip Hammond, Corbyn, John Bercow
    For all their battle-ready posturing, anti-Brexit MPs have secretly been plotting to give up
    Just when we thought we were heading for another wretched round of ear-straining speculation about whether the mood music in Brussels is changing, the smell of the political air in Britain has been decisively transformed. The dull tang of caution has given way to acid self-resolve, as No 10 seeks to show the EU that it is capable of pushing through a no-deal Brexit. But, perhaps more interestingly, the rot is really starting to set in among the hypocritical and cowardly Remainers.

    Boris Johnson’s move to finally call the bluff of Remainer MPs by asking the Queen to suspend parliament is a game changer. And the whirlwind of outrage has been quite a spectacle to behold. While Ruth Davidson is set to resign as Scottish Tory leader, Jeremy Corbyn, Jo Swinson and Anna Soubry have demanded to meet the Queen.

    John Bercow – the man who has reduced the role of Speaker to a paradigm of law-bending goonery worthy of Putin’s Russia – has claimed that shutting down Parliament is “an offence against the democratic process” and accused the PM of committing a “constitutional outrage”.

    So has former Chancellor Philip Hammond. The one-time Goth, with his almost pathological aversion to sunny optimism, called the events “profoundly undemocratic”, even though he has spent the last three years spewing black resentment in the face of British self-determination.

    Meanwhile, Dominic Grieve, the MP who voted for Article 50 and then immediately launched a campaign to oppose Brexit, told the BBC in the metro-merican drawl that has become ironically fashionable among Europhile Tory backbenchers that the situation was “pretty outrageous”. He added, with a Hollywood gangster flourish, that the PM “will come to regret it”.

    But the prize for the most amusing reaction went to David Lammy, who cannot help but sound militantly bigoted no matter how thickly he marinates his hateful hubris in the mellifluous cadences of Martin Luther King. For the poundland preacher of Britain to blast Boris Johnson for acting like a “poundshop dictator” yesterday could not be more fitting.

    Try as they might, the Remainers can no longer even mildly pull off the charade that they are respectable constitutionalists who merely seek to uphold parliamentary procedure. In recent months, they have more closely resembled tax-dodging lawyers, searching for grubby legal loopholes to cheat the country out of Brexit.

    Do they think we have forgotten how MPs talked openly of a parliamentary coup to replace Boris Johnson with an anti-no deal leader? Or how John Bercow set fire to the parliamentary rulebook, Erskine May, in January, by allowing members to pass an amendment that gave Theresa May a three-day deadline to come up with a Plan B to replace her failed deal? Or how MPs stretched parliamentary rules to the very limit to pass a law, ordering the executive to seek a Brexit delay? Or how Labour forced the Government to publish the Withdrawal Agreement’s legal advice – which, irrespective of the quality of the deal, flew in the face of convention?

    The seething ululations of the Remainers seem even more absurd when one considers that events are unfolding in the sordid Westminster parallel universe, where nothing is as it seems and everyone is a liar. The Remainers may try to depict themselves as noble democratic warriors, committed to a final showdown with the Government, but in truth earlier this week they gave in.

    Arguably, Mr Johnson moved to prorogue Parliament because they showed weakness on Tuesday, exposing themselves as unwilling to back a no-confidence vote, even though it is the only realistic way to stop no deal; Mr Johnson seized on this chance to force the hand of the bluffing Remainers and focus minds in unbending Brussels.

    There is, alas, a disgraceful logic to the dissipating Remainer boldness. In Westminster, the only thing worse than a battle lost is a battle won. And while Jeremy Corbyn secretly favours an election after a clean break with the EU so his party can then cynically lambaste an “extremist” Tory Brexit, 
Jo Swinson is concerned that backing either the Labour leader or a Tory 
MP in an anti-Brexit emergency government would alienate swing voters who have switched to her party from both Right and Left.

    If they call a no-confidence motion it won’t be over principle, but to save face. Perhaps one cannot expect any better from two of the worst opposition leaders in British history. The Jo Swinsons and Jeremy Corbyns are to our terminal political system what nail bars and chicken shops are to our dying high streets – the last shoddy dregs clinging on for survival.

    There are two happy twists in this dismal saga. First, thanks to the Remainers, it is now more likely than ever that we will enjoy a clean break from the EU – as, in contrast with the Remainers, Brussels’ bluff cannot be called. Soon our PM will have no choice but to do a no-deal Brexit. And second, as MPs who have defied the referendum know full well, a swamp-draining general election is imminent.

      1. veryveryoldfellow has posted her article above. Journalism needs more people like her.

    2. Do these Remainer MPs realise how absolutely awful they look to everybody outside their own little circle ?
      And is it not beginning to seem that Boris is much less stupid than everybody thought ?

      1. Boris has always been much less stupid than everybody thought. The buffoonery was always ever an act so that Boris Machiavelli could cunningly work behind the scenes he had created. Never under estimate Boris.

        2. Yes he, like his doppelganger Yogi, is smarter than the average bear.

          However the jury is still out about whether he really wants a WTO Brexit. If he does he and Nigel Farage must join forces for the coming general election or all may still be lost.

          1. Oh yes, I agree. I didn’t make it clear that I did not think Boris was in favour of no deal/wto. He will use the concept of no deal/wto, twist and turn until he gets exactly what he does want and as yet we have no idea what that will be. We can only guess. I am, though, preparing myself to expect betrayal yet again, it is that which experience has taught me although the route to this end will probably be far more interesting than the hard slog presented by TM. However, I am more than happy to be surprised. Somehow I do not think I will be.

    3. She is one of the very best journalists working at the Daily Telegraph

      Beyond that she does far more for good race relations than either Diane Abbott or David Lammy will ever do.

      1. If he ever was a Goth then he was very much “making up the numbers,” which he seems to have made into a profession. Those that I knew would defy convention and walk along the sunny side of the street before they walked in the shade with him.

  167. Thunder, heavy rain. Much power outage, trains screwed, pools of water hindering traffic. Bed seems the best option!

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