Wednesday 7 August: The riots came against a backdrop of weakened law and order in Britain

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  4. Far-right forums used to plan UK riots encouraging antisemitic attacks. 7 August 2024.

    Online spaces that are being used to incite and organise the far-right-led riots contain messages encouraging followers to consider Jewish people as a target, community security experts have warned.

    One forum, which was key to organising the first protest that turned into a riot last Tuesday in Southport, is allegedly jointly run by a suspected neo-Nazi. He is believed to be based overseas.

    Propaganda and poor even for that. Nottl is an online forum and I’m pretty sure that it is neither inciting nor organising any riots. How could it? It would stick out like a sore thumb. It does however largely deny the claims of the Political Elites that this is a far-Right movement. This attempt to blacken the name of the protests looks as though it has backfired spectacularly. It has given them a name and a unity that did not previously exist. This opposition to the Government narrative is enough for it and its like to be an enemy. The real reason for this attack.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/06/far-right-forums-used-to-plan-riots-now-encouraging-antisemitic-attacks

    1. What's the biggest group of anti-semites in the UK? Calls itself "The religion of Peace", yet another set of lies to deal with.
      Edit – spollings…

    2. Reminds me of the 70s when the police were called "pigs".
      In those days they still had a sense of humour, and an American police dept actually wore badges with the picture of a pig.

    3. The MSM is, not too subtly, leaning towards ‘internet needs to be controlled/curtailed/shut down. Can’t have people communicating with each other.

      1. That'll be where they go next. They already want to control DNS servers. Brown wanted a database to record all on line activity.

        Addressing the actual problems big government creates is beyond them.

    4. The sate will do anything to brand dissenting voices under the smear it chooses. The hatred of the Left wing state is all consuming. It cannot tolerate dissenting voices.

  8. The riots came against a backdrop of weakened law and order in Britain

    The whole mainstream media narrative appears to be based on psyops, how can they frighten people into not protesting.
    Not sure how many of the stories of people getting locked up are factual or not.
    The whole of the mainstream media appears to work in unison to a narrative that is days behind events.
    This is why social media is so much more attractive.
    Just today the mainstream media is reporting up to 39 organised far right protests this evening, they never say who this far right is or what organisation or organisations are arranging them.
    I suppose then when nothing happens the government can say they have things back under control and their lock em up policy has worked.

    1. 391130+ up ticks,

      Morning B3,

      For that to be the political kapos stance then it must have the peoples consent and if it
      receives that we truly deserve ALL we receive in the future.

      In my book the active looting element in society
      during these troubles ARE part of the political overseers cartel.

    2. I think the riots have been exaggerated in order to justify a crackdown on civil liberties.

      1. Portsmouth was one of the cities supposedly rioting. It didn't happen. At least on the day they said it did. There were about 200 people gathered in Guildhall square. They held a 2 minute silence for the murdered children. That was interrupted with rowdy chants. Agents provocateur at work.

        1. The Left do so hate dissenting voices. They can't leave people alone. The Left are so pathetically insecure and weak they refuse to allow other voices.

      2. I'd put it more strongly – genuine protests by people who have had enough have been hijacked [and NOT by the mythical far right] in order to bring in more laws to repress free speech by a government whcih has no other answer to the mess they have caused. The Turdeau solution?

  9. Good morning all.
    Well, as the country falls apart it's a dull but dry start this morning with little wind and a cooler 9°C on the Yard Thermometer.

  10. 391130+ up ticks,

    Morning Each,

    Wednesday 7 August: The riots came against a backdrop of weakened law and order in Britain

    Wednesday 7 August: The riots came against a backdrop of weakened law and order in Britain, undiluted SHITE the "peoples
    disobedience" was /is a justified reaction to the, in the main
    political gangster overseers unacceptable WEF / NWO stance.

    Corrupted law & order in reality as in freeing judged felons to make room for incarcerating the innocents.

    The politicos know & recognise that the peoples serious unrest WILL be taken advantage of by the looting elements within society, the politicos & the looters are of the same ilk.

    As for Tommy Robinsn leader of the EDL a party that has been defunct for over a decade and hiding out in Malta shows the desperation of the WEF / NWO deflection / misinformation planners, all the while "Miranda" still has a political shout whilst stalking the streets of England and should have been incarcerated decades ago instead of building an odious empire.

    Endgame ,
    No matter how long it takes, true peoples justice, common law etc WILL BE SERVED.

    1. It all appears very strange, just last week there were story's about TR being arrested then fleeing abroad, which were fake by the way as he was on holiday.
      Almost as if the powers that be were expecting trouble

      1. TR was compromised a long time ago, I think.
        Look at the "freedom fighters" who have been encouraging people out on the streets this week – Musk, Fox, Robinson.

    2. Tommy Robinson WAS for a short time leader of the now defunct EDL.

      A minor correction, Ogga.

      1. Where can one find the sources for all these video clips published on X-Twitter? Without signing up to soshulmeeja sites.

        1. You can't, not really. Once uploaded unless the video contains the source site/cite it's lost as twitter bundles masses of tracking, monitoring, play time cruft on it to make it theirs and claim ownership.

  12. G'morning all,

    Clear blue skies over McPhee Towers, not a chem-trail in sight. Wind in the South-West, a cool 14℃ rising to 21℃ as it clouds over later.

    Thought for the day: The rioters really need to calm down. Attacking property and the police is playing into the state's hands. It gives Kneeler all the excuses he's looking for. The targets should not be the slammers and other undesirable migrant elements, understandable though that is. The targets should be the politicians and civil servants who have done this to us. Find out where they live and picket their homes but no violence. Verbals, all night long if possible, but no violence. Get smart, people.

    3. No, your suggestion would be unpleasant for their spouses and families, and could result in charges of threatening behaviour or similar. Also, many politicians and civil servants are not of WISE origin, so it would be pointless to target "undesirable migrant elements", because they have effectively become our rulers.

    1. 391130+ up ticks,

      Morning KtK,
      He's doing the finger jive, if ever a photo required a number beneath.

  14. 391130+ up ticks,

    Dt,
    How Muslim gathering to defend mosque ended in attack on pub
    Men wearing masks and hoods gathered in Bordesley Green, Birmingham, on Monday after rumours of far-Right march

    The WEF / NWO political overseers can well see that the maskless men were defending pub and Country against foreign aliens.

    1. just the initial skirmishes of an all out multi-decade civil war.

      The Troubles in Ireland started in 1966.
      Violence finally erupted in 1966 following the twin 50th anniversaries of the Battle of the Somme and the Easter Rising

    1. Diversity is so strong.. that it requires 24/7 propaganda and enforcement by the police & courts.

    2. A problem Musk has is that government happily ignores the law when it chooses to. Law and due process are suddenly ignored when it finds itself threatened.

  16. 391130+ up ticks,

    Dt,
    Police are braced for riots in at least 30 locations today after more than a week of violence across the UK.

    Officers said intelligence sources had identified dozens of hotspots where trouble could flare, with threats against immigration centres being monitored.

    I do believe that the political two tier kid, kneel, has warned the true patriots in regards to peoples justified unrest, that
    reinforcements via DOVER are on the way.

    1. Labour have created a hoist to their own petard, many areas have labour MPs, mayors and a high influx of migrants which have altered strong working class neighbourhoods .

      We cannot be arrested for what we think and feel .. there is no doubt that the police seem to be two tiered .i

      Starmer is creating apartheid in Britain , protect the mosques , who host the the perpetrators of gross crimes against children , are anti women and their religion demands their women are fully clothed and heads covered .

      Britain is now under threat from knife wielding hooligans , shops are robbed , and there are more murders every month than even last year.

  17. No-one is mentioning the obvious seen in riots, that the rioters – on both sides – are by far the majority, men. (Actually I don't think I've seen a woman I any of the media coverage but I expect there are probably one or two).

    There should be calls to the mothers, sisters, daughters and wives of both sides to try to calm their menfolk.

        2. Open link in new tab. Watch dark position indicator on extreme right as page opens (it moves to the top of the page and reduces in size) when it reaches the top click on X at top left. You only have a few seconds. If you are too slow repeat. Good luck.

    2. Moslem women are not afforded that right. Incidentally, at the (entirely) peaceful Tommy Robinson rally in Trafalgar Square, all the stewards that I saw were women.

      1. Good choice. White men are far less likely to attack a woman. Can't be said for the other lot.

    3. How many mothers, sisters, daughters, wives (granddaughters, grandmothers, aunts, nieces) disembark from those multiple daily ferries crossing the English Channel?

      1. There are many women in the 'Far right racist' riots, because those are normal people. There's not many in the muslim savage mob (odd that the press doesn't mention those).

  18. Good morning all ,

    Fresh breezy start to the day 15c .

    My blood results were okay, and especially so my INR, so no clot in leg , the doctor thought some physio might help , I am now on Naproxen , and feel even worse than before .

    My right hip hasn't been right since lockdown , but now have a pain in my calf , front of thigh and shin . I can walk carefully but lying in bed is so painful , pressure on my calf muscle , I can walk with the dog , but not gallop along anymore doing the distances I used to do .

    Talking about things like that .. perhaps if everyone worked , there would be no need for riots , just quiet protest .

    https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/benefits/state-support/latest/#:~:text=least%20likely%20to-,white%20British%20families%20(51%25)%20were%20the%20most%20likely%20to,were%20the%20least%20likely%20to

    1. 'Morning, Maggie, when I rose at 08:30, it was 13°C and cloudy.

      Sorry to hear of your pain. I hope it's eased soon.

    2. Good morning TB and everyone.
      What was the diagnosis, unknown ailment so take some Naproxen?
      I wonder if you have ever considered using an online AI symptom checker, such as https://docus.ai/ ?
      It's free, but that is all I can tell you.

    3. That's awful, I know just how you feel TB.
      Look up Apixaban that might help,
      there are no side effects unless you cut yourself.

    4. Morning Belle, Not sure what could cause the muscle pains – are they acute or persistent? Acute pain could be a trapped nerve, persistent, well, something else, such as overwork?

      Would some gentle stretches help? It could be – just could be – referred pain from your back or tummy, as all the muscles are linked together.

      On the working – notable that the foreigners are a far smaller proportion of the UK (even then in far too high a number) and thus sat there loafing on welfare. The majority of white Britons receive child benefit and working tax credits – both we should abolish in favour of tax rebates and cuts, respectively. That completely erases the welfare bill as folk are getting their own money back. As foreigners don't work, they get nothing.

  19. Speaking of civil wars.. the BNP, Bangabandhu’s Awami League (AL) and Jamaat-e-Islami (JEI) movement are at each others throats in Bangladesh.
    Primark & all the textile firms are having better luck at getting through with an internet connection than I am..

    Anyhow, if things erupt into the widely anticipated killing spree.. the UK can expect a fresh tsunami wave of you-know-whats.

    1. Sir Keir puts on his concerned statesman-like expression and announces.. "an emergency relief operation based on compassion and dignity”.

      1. Emphasising that he is just another ignorant pratt in politics.

        And he probably won't have realised that there is already an emergency relief programme that is based on compasion and dignity set up nation wide. It's known as a Food Bank.
        His other monsters have robbed the elderly of dignity, without compasion by stealing winter fuel allowances.

    2. Reportedly, the Hindu minority of Bangladesh are already being singled out for murder.

  20. At some point the politician and the MSM are going to have to accept that this isn't far right racism.
    It is normal people of most political persuasions, and even races, saying enough is enough. We cannot afford to continue importing people who will only ever be a cost, whether that cost is financial or the adverse effect on social cohesion and adherence to the law.

    1. Some weeks ago the Sunday Times printed a statement from the ONS that 1.1 million "asylum seekers

      and migrants" had written on their paper work that they had no intention of working in Britain.

      Makes us wonder why it was so important to invite these people in?

      1. They are coming to assist with the inglorious revolution which is on the way.

      2. That's why labour are planning to robb every single person who does work and destroy the lives of the UK elderly.

      3. I wonder whether it is a requirement for people coming in to study and accompanied by dependents that they make such a declaration before they are granted visas.

  21. These gatherings should be refered to as protests, and only be called a riot if they turn into one. Otherwise it is just provoking people to riot. The bias from the media in refusing to highlight the back story to it all is just not on.

    1. Watching the demonstration at 10 Downing Street for at least 5 hours the only ones provoking a riot were the police. At one point you can actually hear a policeman asking his superior who to arrest, his boss repliers with arrest anyone. Meanwhile the people being referred top are standing on the pavement peacefully, not even shouting.

    2. Spot on, Johnny! The biggest issue here is the state narrative to deliberately frame the riots as it wants. The cause is irrelevant, the state refuses to discuss that. It doesn't want to talk about the symptoms, only the disease. If it starts to acknowledge the problem it only has itself to blame and it cannot do that.

    3. Far right = British, or more specifically, English.
      Protestors = Slammers with big knives

  22. Good morrow, Gentlefolk, today’s (recycled) story.

    Deliberately late (see yesterdays evening posts about sleeping)

    Pay What’s Due

    A guy goes into a diner and orders a bowl of soup.

    “What's wrong? There's a hair in my soup!"

    The waitress looks and sure enough, there's a hair laying on the edge of the bowl; the soup's almost gone.

    "Well sir,” she says. "I'm sorry about that, but…"

    The guy interrupts, shouting….”Hey, don't give me any shit. There's a hair in my soup… and I ain't paying for it.”

    With that, he gets up, storms out of the diner and goes into a whorehouse across the street.

    Well, the more the waitress thinks about it, the madder she gets, realising the guy stiffed her for the soup. Pretty soon, she can't stand it anymore and she rushes over to the whorehouse to find the guy and get her money. She finally finds him with one of the girls and he's licking away at some hooker's twat, buried up to his shoulders in her pussy! The waitress grabs him by the ankles and hauls him out of that pussy.

    “You son of a bitch", she says. "You wouldn't pay for my soup ‘cos there was one hair in it, and I come in here and find you face down in a hooker's pussy?"

    The guy says, "That's right… and if I find a noodle in there, I ain't paying her either!"

  23. Almost half of public believe Starmer is handling riots badly
    YouGov poll finds only 31 per cent agreeing that Prime Minister is managing situation well
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/06/almost-half-of-public-think-starmer-handling-riots-badly/

    If these statistics are true then Starmer is playing a blinder – I would have thought that virtually nobody could possibly believe that he was on top of the situation.

    A couple of BTLs:

    Alan Gibbs

    I can’t believe the politicians didn’t see this coming, sitting in their ivory towers thinking everyone has the same opportunities in life. They don’t understand that yes there are ‘right wing thugs’ but this is a wake up call that has been boiling for some time in the whole nation.

    Reply to Alan Gibbs by Percival Wrattstrangler

    Of course they saw it coming – indeed this is what they wanted.

    Wasn't there a politician who warned us that we were mad, "literally mad", to allow 50,000 people of totally different cultures and moral values to swamp Britain?

    He was called a racist and he was ignored to the extent that over ten times that number came to the UK last year.
    This chap also warned about building a funeral pyre for ourselves.

    He wasn't far wrong, was he?

    But Starmer is rubbing his hands in glee for he will now feel justified in imposing total authoritarian tyranny on our benighted country.

    2. There is now a new petition going around against double counting votes. It's quite obvious that this has been going on for some time.
      Clearly we wouldn't have had so many obvious problems within our system and the members of the so misnamed 'ruling classes'.

      1. can you expand on that?
        Is this a petition on the government website?
        Does it refer to people voting in 2 different places as is alleged to have happened with students?
        I believe that: voter registration should be linked to national insurance number (although that should be redacted on the electoral roll); that photo ID should be mandatory for voting in person and that proxy and postal voting should be heavily restricted to a very few circumstances.
        I'm to holding my breath.

        1. No sorry I can’t, my PC is playing up again, it seems to have developed a mind of its own. I’ve got a guy lined up for Thursday afternoon to take a remote look at what is going on.
          I might buy a large lap top instead.

      2. can you expand on that?
        Is this a petition on the government website?
        Does it refer to people voting in 2 different places as is alleged to have happened with students?
        I believe that: voter registration should be linked to national insurance number (although that should be redacted on the electoral roll); that photo ID should be mandatory for voting in person and that proxy and postal voting should be heavily restricted to a very few circumstances.
        I'm to holding my breath.

    4. "Almost half of public believe Starmer is handling riots badly."

      That would be the imbecilic half that disagree with that then?

      1. They blame someone else. The Left blame Farage and Robinson – because it suits them. They are too blind to their own arrogance to realise they are to blame.

      2. Let's just imagine how we would respond to an approach on this topic from a polling organisation. Would you want to give a total stranger with a clipboard who knows where you live your unvarnished thoughts on the subject of 2TK, the causes of unrest etc?

  24. Almost half of public believe Starmer is handling riots badly
    YouGov poll finds only 31 per cent agreeing that Prime Minister is managing situation well
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/06/almost-half-of-public-think-starmer-handling-riots-badly/

    If these statistics are true then Starmer is playing a blinder – I would have thought that virtually nobody could possibly believe that he was on top of the situation.

    A couple of BTLs:

    Alan Gibbs

    I can’t believe the politicians didn’t see this coming, sitting in their ivory towers thinking everyone has the same opportunities in life. They don’t understand that yes there are ‘right wing thugs’ but this is a wake up call that has been boiling for some time in the whole nation.

    Reply to Alan Gibbs by Percival Wrattstrangler

    Of course they saw it coming – indeed this is what they wanted.

    Wasn't there a politician who warned us that we were mad, "literally mad", to allow 50,000 people of totally different cultures and moral values to swamp Britain?

    He was called a racist and he was ignored to the extent that over ten times that number came to the UK last year.
    This chap also warned about building a funeral pyre for ourselves.

    He wasn't far wrong, was he?

    But Starmer is rubbing his hands in glee for he will now feel justified in imposing total authoritarian tyranny on our benighted country.

  25. Morning all 🙂😊
    What a lovely start to the day, not a cloud in the sky.
    It's strange how the people who obviously threatened riots if they didn't get their own way and were arrested for their terrible wrong doings for years. Are laughing all the way 'to the bank' because the government and Whitehall have now turned on those who have finally had enough and who have had to put up with 'them' breaking the laws for years. When then, not a single restriction or restraint was made.

    1. That's mostly why there are riots. The indulged, spoiled muslim who has caused such unrest has had the state piling up kindling and flammable materials in every endorsement, every disguise, every promotion of the alien and now the state is desperate to blame the people screaming fire when it provided the matches and poured the petrol as if it were not remotely to blame.

      1. Absolutely, they are not capable of holding their collective hands up and taking the blame for the damage caused to our long established culture and social structure.
        Some of them should be in prison long term for treason.

  26. SIR – Peter MacAulay’s question (Letters, August 6) about the meaning of “the full force of the law” is hard to answer.

    However, three elements spring immediately to mind: ignoring all shoplifting, releasing prisoners after they have served around half of their sentence, and having inconsistent policing at demonstrations.

    David S Ainsworth
    Manchester

    Rant Bell
    12 min ago
    Sebastian Montblat is wrong in his attack on Elon Musk when actually it is the biased manipulative BBC that “has a lot to answer for”.

    1. "A house divided against itself cannot stand."

      This is the central message that this very clear-headed minister, Canon Phil Harris, is giving us.

      What is monotheism? The existence of just one God?

      Allahu Akbar does not mean God is Great – it means the Muslim God is greater than the Christian or Jewish Gods.

      There is little doubt that Islam is at war with the rest of the world and seeks total domination. And our politicians are too cowardly and feeble to tackle the problem – they weakly give in. John Milton made this very relevant observation in 'Samson Agonistes'

      “But what more oft in Nations grown corrupt,
      And by thir vices brought to servitude,
      Than to love Bondage more than Liberty,
      Bondage with ease than strenuous liberty;”

      1. 391130+ up ticks,

        Morning R,
        ” our politicians are too cowardly and feeble to tackle the problem”

        My train of thought is they find it more treacherously lucrative via the WEF / NWO route.

        1. They are tackling their problem – the tax paying, working white folk not obeying the state. They are desperate for this to go away and will do anything to suppress the unrest specifically to promote and laud the muslim savage.

    1. To be fair, Kim Wrong-un hasn't been the craziest leader since Dopey Joe was given the keys to the White House.

    2. Back to the Spanish interior

      Excessive Heat Warning State Meteorological Agency 27°C
      Wednesday 10:25 Sunny

    3. 'Morning mum 🙂 very grey here, looks set-in. Having a good larf isn't he, likely just cobbed a few overboard.

  29. SIR – Sir Mark Rowley, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, without lawful excuse, appeared reckless as to whether a Sky News journalist’s microphone would be destroyed or damaged when he grabbed it (report, August 6).

    Is this not an example of criminal damage according to the 1971 Act?

    Fred Fearn
    Bridport, Dorset

    You may have a pertinemt technical point on that Act, Freddie lad. However, I should warn you that if anyone tried to shove a large microphone in my face without my permission, then a completely different Act of parliament would be needed to address     my reaction.

    1. You're also not the chief constable, Grizz. Nor a public figure. He is. He has to accept that he must talk to the press.

    3. His whole demeanour as he came out of that building was one of barely controlled bad temper. He was fuming.
      I wonder what was said in the meeting to upset him?

  31. 24 hour courts? 500 prison places available (by early release of criminal inmates).

    If these disturbances don't stop soon …. all in constituencies held by LABOUR … then it may well be that for both Starmer and our police/justice system, the motto should be:

    " Don't push me 'cos I'm close to the edge"

    ps. I wonder if the approaching football season which assembles 10s of 1000s of "far-right" types might exert any leverage here ??

    1. I have no doubt that our armies of human rights lawyers are flocking to these courts to ensure that there are no miscarriages of justice.

    2. They'll just lock and block the exits of the football grounds. Gotchas.
      Most of those sort of people according to some of the media and especially Waste-monster will be 'Far Right'.

        1. La rafle du Vel' d'Hiv', an abbreviation of The roundup of the Winter Velodrome, was a mass arrest of Jewish families by French police and gendarmes at the command of the German authorities.
          13,152 Jews were arrested, including 4.115 children. They were confined to an indoor sports arena, known as the ‘Vel d’Hiv’ in extremely crowded conditions, without any arrangements made for food, water, or toilets. They were eventually all transported to Auschwitz and slaughtered.
          A typical example of police cooperation with 'Orders from above'. Just like the present troubles over illegal immigration and non-compatible religions and alien ethics.

        2. I had not heard of that before.
          We seem to have a similar problem and our own Vichy state, run by others not from our country and culture.
          Did you see the Starmer and female accomplice kneeling pose posted yesterday Bill ? He’s was on exactly the same carpet as the one in his boss Mr Gates.
          He should never be able to live that down or get away with it.

    1. Not bad! I found it an incredibly unintuitive word, but I admit that some of my other choices were rather unlikely
      Wordle 1,145 5/6

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    1. You cannot have affordable and clean energy, not with our current technology. That means fusion, and we aren't there yet.

      Sanitation, health and plentiful food are all at odds with the equality nonsense. This is socialist wishlisting. There will and must be inequality to ensure people feel there's a reason to improve their lives. Big fat state cannot legislate that, it can only create the environment.

      What it really means is the enforcement of poverty, control. enforcement of injustice to suppress competition and overarching transnational utterly undemocratic control. It won't even bother calling itself government.

    2. # 14 – "unless you are not from the UK" in which case UK waters are there for you to trawl.

  35. 'Morning All
    On a lighter note……..
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    1. Morning coffee? Whazzat?

      A civilised Englishman drinks tea in a morning.😉👍🏻

        1. Same here. I drink Café Hag, which is the only genuinely decaffinated brand on the market it seems.

          2. A glass of absinthe took the varnish off the coffee table. I value my teeth too much to drink that stuff.

        4. I was told to stop drinking both coffee and tea by the oncologist. I am now reduced to fruit juice and Lucozade with 50% water. Makes me feel like a bloody Mormon. I do miss tea 😒

          1. I would still drink tea regardless of what an oncologist said. Life is too short as it is.

        1. Coffee: one large cup of espresso-based "flat white" at 1:00 p.m. (fika time).

          My ex-wife used to drink disgusting instant coffee in a morning and the smell of the damn stuff made me retch!

          1. I can only afford Instant, George and BTW there is no room for a percolator in the Kitchen. Maybe I'll get one and make room on my already crowded desktop.

          3. I do know them, thank you, George. I try NOT to use the oven or hob. Will it work in an Air Fryer? Doubt it.

          4. Me2, Nescafe Azera Americano a good one. Him in the workshop has bean machine, far too noisy first thing…

          5. Instant coffee tastes and smells like ashtrays. Yukk!
            I love Italian coffee – cappuccino at breakfast, espresso after that. Otherwise, Norwegian filter is pretty good.

      3. I've a lovely crazy-paved patio
        And an ornamental lake
        Where my wife and I take mid-morning tea
        With a slice of Madeira cake.

      4. I've a lovely crazy-paved patio
        And an ornamental lake
        Where my wife and I take mid-morning tea
        With a slice of Madeira cake.

      5. Thank goodness I've no pretensions to being a civilised Englishman. Can't do tea – coffee until early afternoon. After that it keeps me awake at night :o(

    2. Make the dog about three times as big and have his paws on the ice cream van window and you've a Mongo. He's tried to climb in before.

      Lucy came back for more food today. This is all rather good as it shows she trusts me, that she'll get more food and knows she doesn't have to guard it.

      Mongo tried the same and got a push off from me. He's already eating 4 kilos a day – 2 and a bit in the morning, 1 and a bit in the evening. We pottered down to the waterfront and Mongo sort of looks at Junior, he unclips his harness, there's a blur of black and both boys are splashing about like loons. Lucy was much less interested in the water and more nervous, so we walked into the surf and stopped, and retreated quickly where she sat and watched the idiots playing.

    4. Alternatively: Dobermann Pinscher, German Shepherd (although I still prefer Alsatian), Rottweiler Metzgerhund, or Pitt Bull Terrier.

      Just one out of four correctly spelt. Not bad.

    1. The same applies from Blair onward. It stopped at Truss but only because the state did her in.

  38. Why is everyone surprised and aghast at the discovery of "two-tier policing"?

    I predicted this, many years ago, when more and more political control was foisted on the police in the UK and elsewhere in Europe and the rest of the world..

    When ALL major worldwide political parties take the WEF's shilling (schilling, euro, dollar, franc, yen, rouble, renminbi, peso, krone, lek, dinar, rupee, tālā, baht, dirham, guarani etc …) then you should know what the result will be.

    What you are witnessing now is nothing compared to what will come. Oh, Brave New World!

    1. And of course the police deny it because they're not at liberty to acknowledge it and their political handlers deny it because they believe it to be justified as a means to an end and therefore not the problem implied by "two tier". When you convince yourself that one rioter comes from a position of strength and the other rioter comes from a position of weakness, unequal treatment is deemed (perversely) to be balanced and fair.

    3. It may have been brave to Miranda but it is not to more cynical and realistic Nottlers

    1. I assume this includes crustless sandwiches, cakes, you name it.
      Still seems a bit steep

      1. Last time I were in Betty's, a very fancy but utterly bland and tasteless vanilla slice cost me an arm and a leg.

        A few days later I bought another, bigger and more rustic, one from a baker's shop in Knaresborough, and it was simply the tastiest vanilla slice I've ever enjoyed.

      2. Invited there once, not worth it, bit relieved I wasn't the one paying (offered to go halves, refused)…

      1. It was an expression used by Egyptian traders when trying to sell something to British people.

        1. I understand that, but of course it’s going to be cheaper at a lower price! Is it me??

    1. Interesting – well worth listening to.

      Starmer is unbelievably gauche. He never looks even remotely relaxed.

        1. You need to catch up on your Auden, Johnathan: Epitaph on a Tyrant:

          “When he laughed, respectable senators burst with laughter, And when he cried the little children died in the streets”

  42. This video I took in Leeds sums up why white communities are bubbling with rage
    Elites who cannot comprehend these violent uprisings should spend time in parts of this country that are impoverished and disenfranchised
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/08/06/riots-are-cry-of-rage-and-despair-from-wretched-communities/

    BTL

    The conflict was inevitable.

    It was also inevitable that the PTB would side with those bringing an alien culture to us rather than the indigenous population.

    The PTB will try to impose Draconian measures on the British people. I wonder if this will plug the leaks for ever or if it will merely allow a larger reservoir of rage to accumulate which will finally destroy the flood defences completely?

    1. As Johnnie Norfolk (rightly) pointed out yesterday, the Government is elected to carry out the will of the people, not the other way round. Until Starmer & Co recognise what needs to be done we will have the prospect of a permanent undercurrent of civil unrest.

      1. Starmer thinks that because he is in office he IS the will of the people. Against all reason, but then reason has nothing to do with it.

    2. Morning Rastus. I'm still searching the papers this morning for the big story. You know, the one about how the Conservative Party stoked today's riots through many years of deceit and inaction on illegal immigration, aided and abetted by the Labour Party.

  43. "If you kill children then that's just a mental health issue.

    If you complain about children being killed then you are a terrorist.

    Just thought I'd clear that up for you."
    Meanwhile
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/306117f7de2d410301b3e049b8bef8d644a91c875a785ed98fd08719c9edf325.jpg
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c13fe41fe7fbfc01f58e68b3568e23440721c02a7b336df77581179a1c3c28e4.jpg
    http://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8092e09657849166de4d5f9ddabba8f25b8880651f88e93a2a14ddb3cc2f5628.jpg
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/16d73fbcb6c29e906bfa527b75bf0212eaac3b61d896d9414ac7975651d8a36b.jpg
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8d1c9350f7119676da59d708b0313e95779caa9265ace63265834922bb844296.png

  45. In 1973 I swore an oath of allegience to the Crown. I have not rescinded that since, but I'm now having second thoughts.

    2. Good morning Grizzly

      I understand your dilemma – it cannot be easy to keep to an oath of allegiance to an Idiot King who is naïf enough to support the WEF and wants Britain's economy crippled by Net Zero.

      I seems clear to me that the current government is more on the side of the Muslims than the indigenous population of Britain. I wonder if the mindless monarch – the defender of all faith – is wise enough to not get bogged down in the current quagmire.

    3. I swore the same oath in 1955 and later had to sign the Official Secrets Act. My loyalty to the then Monarch was steadfast until her death. Now, I am perhaps not so steadfast.

    2. If only we had more than a couple politicians who had even a tenth of the clarity of thought and the eloquence of Douglas Murray…

  48. It was their attempt to suggest one was being offered a bargain. They did not understand how English works……

      1. They probably meant "cheap at twice the price". They got their numerator and their denominator mixed up…

          1. No, not at all. Pea soup and especially that Northern delight, mushy peas, are the ultimate in revolting foodstuffs.

      1. No. I add ham to the similar pease pudding, made from yellow peas.

        These are for deep-fried cod/haddock and chips; steak and kidney pie; roast shoulder of lamb.

      1. I like the taste of mushy peas and pea soup but both generate piles of problems about which I'm less keen.

          1. More people like them than hate them; that's why they remain popular.

            If more people hated them they would disappear and chip shops would stop serving them.

          2. Certainly from the comments, doesn’t appear that the ‘likes’ are in a majority..

    2. Mushy peas? I seldom order fish and chips from the chippy without adding a pot of those.

        1. You've never had proper home-made ones. A million miles better than the crap most chip shops serve.

    3. They're for poeple with no teeth. :-))
      Horrible things used to be made with processed peas, do you remember those awful things.

    1. Remarkable indeed. Lefties generally cannot even come to terms with honest basic human instincts, i.e. if you go around telling lies about people they get somewhat shirty. Labour will have great difficulty stopping their nasty tendency to spew out lies about ordinary citizens.

    1. The Indians are far more understandable and have a much better grasp of spoken English than Yaxley-Lennon.

      1. He has a perfectly good grasp of English. But then I suppose you classify him as sub-human because he is working class from Luton and is crass enough to tell the truth.

          1. Have to make allowances for working class diction, don't you know! I personally think he is rather brave.

          2. I do too – and he is quite articulate. I listened to his interview with Jordan Petersen and he explained where he's coming from.

      2. I call myself Rastus, you call yourself Grizzly – why shouldn't Ringo Lennon-McCartney call himself Robinson?

          1. Being arch-ie, are you, Bamse? x Well, you'll always be Bamse as far as I'm concerned.

      1. Apart from the fact that he obviously actually believes in it, business will only boom every time he publishes a response.

        This one is along the lines of an old trope: the Devil has no sense of humour and hates being ridiculed. In this instance Two-Tier Keir is someone about as humourless as bleddy Oliver Cromwell. Easy target.

        1. "no sense of humour and hates being ridiculed" – that rather reminds me of an advertising bloke who infests the Spectator BTL.

        2. Bet nobody will ever cast Richard Harris to play Starmer in any future film, though…

          1. No, I doubt that. But then Starmer was a player in the latest modern day iteration of a Rump Parliament; hardly a personality emblematic of reform. Hardly a personality at all, some might add.

  55. Konstantin Kisin defends free speech and the value of social media…

    So much focus from the British commentariat on X and Elon Musk and it’s true that there were irresponsible people posting unverified allegations here. As there were on all other social media.

    But looking at media reporting, if it wasn’t for X, we wouldn’t even know that gangs of armed & masked Muslim men are rampaging through cities up and down the country. We wouldn’t see them hunting down and beating up white people. We wouldn’t have yet more evidence of two tier policing. All we would have is the approved narrative.

    You can see this with all the screaming about misinformation. When the founder of far left doxxing organisation Hope Not Hate posts misinformation about Muslims being targeted with acid which is completely false and obviously provocative, they just pretend it didn’t happen.

    Like it or not, human beings invented mass communication platforms. They aren’t going away. Governments and legacy media want to crack down on them to re-establish narrative control. I can understand why but it’s not going to happen.

    Social media still needs a lot of work and things like Community Notes are an important first step in the right direction. We desperately need tools to counteract the fact that false but provocative spreads a lot faster than true but boring. That’s human brains for you. It will take a lot of smart people like Elon to work out how to solve this problem in the era of mass communication.

    But we’re not going back to governments and the media being in charge of what’s true. Politicians and journalists are the two least trusted groups in society for a reason.

      2. In fairness to Durham police I think they may have applied the FPN system correctly inasmuch as it should be applied at the time of the offence, not retrospectively. That also applied when they came under pressure to issue Dominic Cummings with a FPN.
        The problem IMHO is that the Met may have acted inappropriately in issuing FPNs for Downing Street activities many months after the events. One conjectures that pressure from the media and from Khan may have played a role.
        It's what you might term a 'two-tier' approach to law and order.

          3. SIr J, FPN is in pretty wide circulation, but sometimes we get caught out (I was stumped on VPN, I think it was, earlier). Better to ask nicely or look it up than grouse about the use of, dear… xx

          4. SIr J, FPN is in pretty wide circulation, but sometimes we get caught out (I was stumped on VPN, I think it was, earlier). Better to ask nicely or look it up than grouse about the use of, dear… xx

          5. You are tempting me there Sir Jasper but I wouldn’t like to upset the behaviour code of the forum.

          6. I just had no idea what an FPN is/was, Lola.

            Sorry if it upset you. Just think again before using Abbreviations NOT in wide circulation.

    2. "But we’re not going back to governments and the media being in charge of what’s true. Politicians and journalists are the two least trusted groups in society for a reason."

      Yep. A point I made several days ago. Government and media is behind the curve now and hasn't even comprehended what is happening. People sling mud at Elon Musk, but while they're having their satisfying little spat accusing each other of irresponsibility on "soshal meeja", Musk is just sitting there rolling his eyes towards the ceiling and thinking, "yeah, whatever mate."

  56. "They say" the Progressive psychos always like to accuse you of.. what they are guilty of..

    Sooooo, Katie Hopkins reckons it's the power & money gig that comes with people trafficking that the Progressives will protect till Kingdom come.

    And sooooo, it is no surprise that it was a People Trafficking charge they chose to take down Andrew Tate.

    2. And it didn't stick either. It doesn't matter they just wanted an excuse to legitimise their arrest of someone they hate.

          6. It appears to be an elephant with tusks pointing its trunk rather rudely at an elephant that doesn't have tusks. Whether that's intentional isn't clear but apparently some are born without tusks. His draughtsmanship isn't bad but does Banksy do this uninvited?

          7. Probably a male elephant wooing a female but Banksy's graffiti usually contains a deeper meaning. As for the ibex, I am at a loss. Is it really Banksy?

          10. They are probably Asian elephants rather than African ones. Only male Asian ones have tusks, the females don't. Male and female African elephants both usually have tusks. They are not born with them, but they develop and grow throughout their lives.

          12. They are probably Asian elephants rather than African ones. Only male Asian ones have tusks, the females don't. Male and female African elephants both usually have tusks. They are not born with them, but they develop and grow throughout their lives.

  58. Mushy peas? I seldom order fish and chips from the chippy without adding a pot of those.

    1. I've had four attempts. Change.org don't send the verification email that would activate the vote and it isn't a mail malfunction or Google sabotage, as everything else is getting through including CitizenGO and TR's Urban Scoop messages.

      2. I checked my emails again and found it – but it was quite a while after I signed. Yours might have come by now.

      4. I have found that Change. Org haven't sent their verification email to me for a while now.

  60. Why are we signing a petition? Why, in a democracy are we simply not demanding he does as we say?

    1. From Coffee House, the Spectator

      Are the riots about to get worse?
      Comments Share 7 August 2024, 8:24am
      When will the violent disorder across England and Northern Ireland dissipate? That’s the question being asked in Westminster as ministers brace for further incidents. Keir Starmer last night chaired his second Cobra emergency meeting ahead of a wave of possible events over the next 48 hours, with 30 potential riots anticipated today. Among possible targets identified by the police are refugee shelters and lawyers’ homes. Last night, Starmer said people will be safe thanks to the police preparations.

      So farm 400 people have been arrested, with the first rioter jailed on Tuesday afternoon. James Nelson, 18, received a two-month sentence after pleading guilty to causing criminal damage in Bolton on Saturday, after he was spotted smashing cars while wearing a balaclava. The hope among ministers is that, as individuals are named and sentences handed out, it will start to act as a deterrent against those considering taking part in further disorder in the coming days. More than 2,000 extra riot police are on standby.

      As the riots drag on, Starmer is facing further criticism of his handling of the situation. The Prime Minister’s new nemesis Elon Musk has been back at it today – branding Starmer ‘Two Tier Keir’ over allegations of two-tier policing, with left-wing protests being shown more tolerance than those on the right.

      In a sign that this criticism is starting to cut through, the Justice Secretary Shabana Mahmood took to the social media platform earlier to declare: ‘It doesn’t matter who you are or what you’re protesting – if you turn up in a mask, with a weapon, intent on causing disorder, you will face the full force of the law.’ It’s fair to say there is a nervousness in Whitehall over how the next few days will turn out.

      1. Shabana Mahmood channels her inner Margaret Thatcher while forgetting completely that she isn't actually Margaret Thatcher.

        When a record is stuck it's time to take it off the turntable and put something else on.

        1. Ms Mahmood forgets that she isn't actually English (in the usual accepted sense by people with more than one brain cell) either. Or maybe she doesn't…?

      2. …except if you are muslim in which case you will be politely requested to put your weapons back into the mosque…

  63. "On Tuesday evening, West Midlands Police confirmed that an assault on a drinker outside the Clumsy Swan was being investigated as a violent disorder."

    Had this been an attack on a Muslim outside a Mosque the charge would be a religiously motivated, race hate crime. Two tiers, indeed!
    Meanwhile it seems Detective Inspector Pisspot wasn't a parody listen to this bellend!!
    https://x.com/notfarleftatall/status/1821122316597653867?s=46&t=1X8QCg4BVqY7bqVbNv2HbA

    1. Please spread that far and wide! What a disgrace to the police, and a dangerous moron to boot!

  64. People forget the third tier of policing.

    Protecting politicians and the elites at all costs.

  66. Oh you must mean the guy I refer to as “Centrist Dad”. Yes Lola, I think we are fully on the same page when it comes to him.

    1. I don't think the justice minister knows the difference between justice and law.
      For 10 years I was a Magistrates Cout usher and saw the law applied every day, justice on the other had was a rare commodity but applied when it required to be applied.

  69. If you were born before 1951 and paid your full contribution towards your state pension you receive £200 less per month than younger pensioners. Why is this?

    1. Possibly because retirement ages were lifted?

      The 200 figure looks high, if it's accurate that's a disgrace.

      1. How much you get

        The full basic State Pension is £169.50 per week. You may have to pay tax on your State Pension. (I do).

        If you’re a man born on or after 6 April 1951 or a woman born on or after 6 April 1953, you’ll get the new State Pension instead.
        New State Pension is £221.20 a week

        Minimum wage of £11.44 and 37.5 hours per week = £429 per week. Pensioners have to make do with less than half the minimum wage.

          2. Did you opt to pay the "married woman's stamp"? If so, all you'll get is the difference between a single person's pension and a married couple.

          4. I think you once mentioned here that you paid the Married Woman's Stamp because R didn't think it worth you paying full rate single person NIC. That's why you receive less pension, but you could receive widow's pension based on R's pension.

          5. Yes, but you will get a widow's pension if R dies. People with the new State Pension get nothing if their spouse dies.

        2. And a British pension paid in Canada has zero increases.
          Even though I paid the full thirty / forty ? years contribution, my pension remains the same as when I received the first payment ten years ago.

          If I move fifty mikex south into the US, I would get the same annual increase as everyone in the UK.

          2. It is although I believe there are some countries that are treated differently due to reciprocal agreements.

          3. I know, Jack, My bro in US had all his pension increases but was subjected to a ‘windfall’ tax

          7. Sorry Sir J should have scrolled down before replying to richardl…we're on the same page 🙂

      2. It's a larger difference than that I think. The 'new' Full State Pension came in from 6th April 2016. Earlier retirees get the Basic State Pension. Mine is pretty basic but some people like my OH paid into SERPS, so those people may get a lot more.

        1. SERPs is a different matter. I was contracted out and my company put my pension savings with Equitable Life; now that really was a disaster from my position.

          Anomalous results are unfair, but then again life's unfair.

          1. I was contracted out but I do get a Civil Service pension for which I am grateful. After 21 years I was due a quarter of my final salary. Not big money but I'm not complaining.

          2. I lost about 33k through the Equitable Life debacle. My money was used to pay those Equitable Life members who held guaranteed annuities. I missed out on the guarantee scheme by joining six months too late.

            I should have transferred my Equitable Life funds and taken the first hit but instead took the second hit before transferring to Whitechurch (whose CEO had predicted the collapse of Equitable Life).

          3. I did similarly, but lost even more.
            I eventually used what was left to purchase an annuity, fixed amount but only ending on second death. It pays us roughly 120 a month.

          4. I lost about 33k through the Equitable Life debacle. My money was used to pay those Equitable Life members who held guaranteed annuities. I missed out on the guarantee scheme by joining six months too late.

            I should have transferred my Equitable Life funds and taken the first hit but instead took the second hit before transferring to Whitechurch (whose CEO had predicted the collapse of Equitable Life).

          5. Me too – my contracted-out pension part (the SERPS component was with EqL). No way it paid anything remotely like the SERPS it was replacing. But the general consensus at the time was that contracting-out of SERPS was a good idea.

          6. Me too – my contracted-out pension part (the SERPS component was with EqL). No way it paid anything remotely like the SERPS it was replacing. But the general consensus at the time was that contracting-out of SERPS was a good idea.

    2. It's tied in to SERPS and being opted in or out. SERPS ran from 1978 to 2002. What we call a full state pension applies only to those with a certain number of contributory years when opted in (I think that's the right way around). Persons born before 1951 do not have sufficient qualifying years.

      The sting in the tail is that it affects more than those born before 1951. It also affects those born later that were opted out in favour of enhanced company schemes. In their case the company scheme is assumed to make up the difference.

        1. Believe me that it is down to being opted in or out and contributory years. If you were opted in and had the contributory years then you should get the full state pension. I understand that there are a lot of errors in the system though. It might be worth contacting the Pension Service. See https://www.gov.uk/contact-pension-service .

        2. You could have paid in full and still had your state pension "reduced" – i.e. if you were "contracted out" which most large occupational schemes were, then you had a guaranteed level of pension which was supposed to make up for the SERPS part that you would otherwise have received from the State (you accrued SERPS only if your employed earnings were above a certain level). You still received your Basic State Pension from the state.

          In 2016 the new state pension abolished the basic state pension and the SERPS (or S2P as the equivalent additional pension from the state on top of the basic state pension was called by then) and combined them both into the new State Pension, which was at one level. There were grandfathering provisions for those people who before 2016 would have accrued and subsequently received both the Basic and additional State Pensions (SERPS, S2P etc.), had the change not been made. Of course some people would only ever have received the Basic State Pension

    3. Possibly something to do with whose NI contributions the pension is paid by? I think I've read it's not based on one's own contributions, but those of a previous generation, which will have been gradually increased over time…if this makes any sense….

        1. Well yes, but how it works at present is that our payments are to fund future generations pensions. I think it's the reason private pensions were mooted in the past, to fill the gap and keep us spend spend spending…dontcha just love IFAs…NB: not sure this is the actual case, having looked at the Government website where it seems possible to calculate individual state pension/s. Martin Lewis website will likely have more information too. Apologies all round for misleading anyone, seems like I've been misled by someone else…

          4. Someone who is specialised in financial planning, particularly in personal pensions. There were several scandals concerning the advice of such people, but some are sound.

          5. Finanial Plannig? another ha ha ha joke. Especially with this (tax ’em ‘ti the pips squeak) gov’t.

          10. Sorry, my laziness …Independent Financial Advisor ..always seem to have a bridge to sell..

          11. Before private pensions there were a great many occupational pension schemes, often with compulsory membership. It was actually an employment incentive and (believe it or not) also the more philanthropic notion of the employer looking after employees. Employers didn't have to set up pension schemes and pay into those – they did it out of a type of benevolence (yes it did exist in those days).

          12. Thanks, think I’ve heard of those, but never had one…were they related to public sector/unions? I thought the days of unions/strikes were behind the UK, seems not.

          13. No, most large and some small employers had them, there were a lot around. Successive governments completely ruined them so that there are much fewer now, and their benefits are very much less for the majority of the members. We had arguably the best non-state pensions in the world. Once.

          14. Governments should butt out of a lot of things. I worked for both large and small employers, never been offered one. The small ones, mind, often out of petty cash, or filling up my car. The more things are regulated, the more humans will find a way round them….

          15. In this case it wasn’t humans finding a way around government regulation – it was regulation simply piling more and more on employers until they simply couldn’t afford to run the schemes any more. That, and various Chancellors of the Exchequer thinking that pension schemes were a cash cow they could raid. And they raided and raided – and the cow died.

          16. My experience, auditors will push as far as they’re able but no further – not worth the risk. Have never worked in any government department, didn’t appeal to me – although my grandfather was a Civil Servant all his working life and he thought it a doddle with a risk-free pension after early retirement, often tried to persuade me 😀 Mind, the parties in DS looked quite good …

          17. It wasn’t auditors in this case – it was governments and the accountancy profession (and to some extent actuaries). Pension scheme law and accounts are (and were) very complex, and various Chancellors and committees simply didn’t know what they were doing. It was all pretty complicated, but many of us could see what was coming – the destruction of our excellent system of retirement benefits.

            Civil servants have always had gold-plated pension provision, but some private schemes were very good too. It started going really badly wrong around 1986-88.

          18. Why do you think that was (86-88), anything connected to Thatcher gov’t..bonfire of the civil servants?

          19. No – completely unrelated.

            The following is a very, very brief and basic outline of part of the problem. The problem was a combination of several things, but to give an idea:

            Previously schemes were often “defined benefit” – i.e. you would get a percentage of your salary for each year you had worked; so pensions could be worked out, assuming salary levels and years worked. The funds held by the schemes had beneficial tax status (various investment income and gains were not taxed in the normal way, essentially because they were viewed as benevolent structures, holding assets in order to pay retirement benefits).

            Because of strong growth on investments, pension schemes around 1986 had healthy funds, ie more than enough to pay the projected pension liabilities. Lawson (and other Chancellors)saw these funds as good potential pickings for tax raids.

            So in 1986 an Act of Parliament was passed so that funds were taxed if they has a certain level of “surplus” – ie more assets than needed to meet the cost of paying pensions and benefits. The way a surplus was calculated was decided by a Government department. Then gradually more and more tinkering was done and the way surpluses were calculated was completely changed. The effect was complicated, but ultimately schemes ended up not being nearly so healthily-funded and previously healthy schemes ended up actually have deficits -i.e. not being able to provide all the long-term benefits. This was exacerbated by a downward turn in the markets, so that investments weren’t doing so well. It was up to the employer to pay to make up any shortfall between what the scheme had in assets and the amount needed to provide the promised salary benefits, and of course there was no longer any buffer surplus that the scheme had had to ride out the effect of any downturn in the markets. It had effectively been taxed away.

            Employers could not afford to keep on paying to have defined benefit schemes any more, and so many were closed down,or the benefits were changed to become “defined contribution”, ie contributions by the employer and the members went into a pot and the amount of pension the member got on retirement depended on how well the investments in that pot had done. This is what most pensions are now.

            The effect on people’s pension has in many cases been catastrophic – their pension is now dependent on the vagaries of the market – especially just at the time they come to retire.

            There were many other factors which also contributed as well, but it is a lot to get one’s head around so I’ve kept it as simple as I can!

          20. Thanks, Hertslass, if it’s OK with you I’ll have to leave this for now, and hopefully digest tomorrow when I hope to get back to you. I’ll keep your mail in my inbox to remind me. I hope I can reply twice…..if not I’ll try to find you on another thread and reply that way….my very own Crystal Maze…’night for now 🙂

          21. Thanks for very comprehensive reply, I believe I understand what happened. In a small way, reminds me of when my dad died. He'd taken out a PoA some years previously, and although he left very little, the paperwork was endless, every three months including a visit from Government. Hopefully things have changed, somehow doubt that it being what administrators do. I have a small private pension, long ago cashed in. Fortunate I played around on the stock market when tech stocks became available and a lot of reckless investment from many people made those rise significantly, for a time – the trick being to come out as early as possible. Stock market is no place for the faint-hearted, government bonds usually recommended but not the greatest return.

          22. Good for you – gosh I wish I could play the stock market – but my eyes glaze over and so the little bit of money that I ever had has always stayed little. Ergo, I’m one of the faint-hearted :o(

            I wonder who the actual appointed Attorney under the POA was, and whether it was a Lasting Power of Attorney (or Enduring Power of Attorney as they were before 2007). Also, whether it was people from the Office of the Pubic Guardian who were doing the paperwork and visiting? It does sound rather odd. From your use of the word “administrators”it sounds like your dad died without a valid will. Anyway, what’s done is done but it really shouldn’t have been made to be so difficult for you.

          23. I don’t think it’s as easy today as it was a couple of decades ago, a good thing too – no-one should gamble their funds, today I don’t choose Grand National Horse – not that I never did. I think it was an LPO (no Attorney that I know of, just me)…it was something he’d filled out on a card and filed at the local solicitors. I don’t remember where the female came from, she just sat/had a coffee and a natter for half an hour or so then left – nothing to see or do, a waste of her time and mine. Possibly different today, more complex perhaps? I think he left the POA with his will, local solicitor – a law unto themselves sometimes, why POAs came into being I think?

          24. Hi, I sent this a little while ago but it didn't seem to appear, so here it is again. Sorry about the length!

            No – it is unrelated.

            The following is a very, very brief and basic outline of part of the problem. The problem was a combination of several things, but to give an idea:

            Previously schemes were often "defined benefit" – i.e. you would get a percentage of your salary for each year you had worked; so pensions could be worked out, assuming salary levels and years worked. The funds held by the schemes had beneficial tax status (various investment income and gains were not taxed in the normal way, essentially because they were viewed as benevolent structures, holding assets in order to pay retirement benefits).

            Because of strong growth on investments, pension schemes around 1986 had healthy funds, ie more than enough to pay the projected pension liabilities. Lawson (and other Chancellors)saw these funds as good potential pickings for tax raids.

            So in 1986 an Act of Parliament was passed so that funds were taxed if they has a certain level of "surplus" – ie more assets than needed to meet the cost of paying pensions and benefits. The way a surplus was calculated was decided by a Government department. Then gradually more and more tinkering was done and the way surpluses were calculated was completely changed. The effect was complicated, but ultimately schemes ended up not being nearly so healthily-funded and previously healthy schemes ended up actually have deficits on the way these things were now calculated -i.e. not being able to provide all the long-term benefits. This was exacerbated by a downward turn in the markets, so that investments weren't doing so well. It was up to the employer to pay to make up any shortfall between what the scheme had in assets and the amount needed to provide the promised salary benefits, and of course there was no longer any buffer surplus that the scheme had had to ride out the effect of any downturn in the markets. It had effectively been taxed away.

            Employers could not afford to keep on paying to have defined benefit schemes any more, and so many were closed down,or the benefits were changed to become "defined contribution", ie contributions by the employer and the members went into a pot and the amount of pension the member got on retirement depended on how well the investments in that pot had done. This is what most pensions are now.

            The effect on people's pension has in many cases been catastrophic – their pension is now dependent on the vagaries of the market – especially just at the time they come to retire.

            There were many other factors which also contributed as well, but it is a lot to get one's head around so I've kept it as simple as I can!

          25. I saw it, Hertslass, and took the liberty of copying to my mail so hopefully won’t lose it before I can try to digest it…thanks so much for what looks like comprehensive reply. See you tmrw, or maybe later….:-)

          26. I hope you copied the edited version, because I think the few words changed here and there make it clearer. It is pretty complicated as a subject, but be free to ask if you have any queries.

          27. Before private pensions there were a great many occupational pension schemes, often with compulsory membership. It was actually an employment incentive and (believe it or not) also the more philanthropic notion of the employer looking after employees. Employers didn't have to set up pension schemes and pay into those – they did it out of a type of benevolence (yes it did exist in those days).

          28. Before private pensions there were a great many occupational pension schemes, often with compulsory membership. It was actually an employment incentive and (believe it or not) also the more philanthropic notion of the employer looking after employees. Employers didn't have to set up pension schemes and pay into those – they did it out of a type of benevolence (yes it did exist in those days).

        2. It has never worked like that. NI is, in effect really another tax. Politicians says that it is ringfenced for this, that or the other, but that is notional rather than actual.

      2. It is a lie that people do not contribute to their pensions.

        Having worked outside the UK for many years I had to make a couple of years' additional contributions to get my full pension and if I did not do so my pension would have been greatly reduced.

        Ergo: Incomplete contributions = Incomplete Pension

        So your pension is determined by your contributions.

        1. Yes, you can obtain a forecast of your projected pension a few years before it’s due, and make additional contributions if you wish/think it’s worthwhile. My husband did that, we didn’t for mine because it was too low to make much difference NB: this is a decade ago, rules might be different now. Sorry if I didn’t make that clear/include in my post. Certainly wasn’t lying, apologies if I gave that impression.

        3. It's the number of contributions that counts, not the amount paid. For the Basic State Pension payable before 2016, it was 44 years for males and 39 years for women, with pension ages 65 for men and 60 for women. Mine was payable at 60, but was reduced by 10% due to insufficient years. Shortly before I finished work there was a brief window where you could pay for three years from the 1970s. I paid up and received it all back as arrears, plus the enhanced 10% for the rest of my life. So it was clearly a no-brainer.

          The 'new' State Pension has fewer years required – I think it's 35 for both males and females.

        4. Eligibility for certain rates of state pension depend on the number and level of contributions paid. They are not correlated in any other way.

    4. Because the systems changed and because opacity is ingrained in it. Men lose out every time but for women it is more complex:

      If you are a woman born in December 1949, you started to receive your state pension when you were 60 but needed 39 qualifying years for a full pension.
      But, if you are a woman born 4 months later in April 1950 you didn't receive your pension until you were 61 but only needed 30 qualifying years for a full pension
      If you are a woman born in September 1954 you started to receive your state pension when you were 66 but needed 35 qualifying years for a full pension
      and if you are a woman born in 1965 you won't get your state pension until you are 67

      There are women born in the 1950s with a sister only 5 years older than them but who had had a pension for 11 years before they received theirs. I think that discrepancy is at the heart of the WASPI women's complaints although my sympathy for them is limited as the information that the pension ages were going to be equalised was sent out and the changes were widely publicised back in the 90s. The only thing is that Osborne did accelerate the change causing some women to have their pension age put further back than they had expected.

      1. Thanks for info, Lola. As you say, opacity ingrained. Gov't website seems to allow input of gender/age/contributions, perhaps a good idea to confirm with Gov't (and Martin Lewis website), they'll give you a projection of pension you can expect I think within a few years of retirement age.

        1. Born in 1944. Paid into NI for all my working life from 15½ until I was70 + and now my pension is to be ruined. What a failure of Gov't!

          1. That sounds bizarre, have you checked it with Government and Martin Lewis websites…were you on a reduced stamp (as I was)..?

          2. I have 'Age concern' looking into my eligibility for Pension Credit but it is a forlorn hope.

          5. If you have no other income you might qualify for Pension Credit. They take your savings into account. You might also qualify for Attendance Allowance if you're disabled and need help for that reason.

          6. Only other is an income from Private Pension, Currently £63, should be £120 but tax reduces it.

          9. As tax bands are graded dependent on income, you must be receiving a reasonable whack then.

          10. Just enough to live on and provide a modicum, just a modicum, of savings. ‘Twill not survive the cuts to Winter Fuel and Taxation..

      2. Yes – born in 1948 I received mine at 60.
        But the changes were publicised many years before they came into effect. And it was possible to send for a Pension forecast years beforehand.

        1. Absolutely.
          But little Georgie O did slap extra on the delay when he became chancellor and he also made men born from September 1954 or thereabouts (as well as women) wait a whole year more with only a few years warning . He redressed his changes a bit when he came under fire but only for women born between about 1950 and 1953 (I’ve forgotten the precise dates)

          1. There has to be a cut-off somewhere…….. a friend of mine was born on 1st April 1953. She missed out on the new rate in 2016 by five days.

    5. The change came for those born after April 6, 1951. I was born on February 22, 1951 so I missed out by six weeks.

  70. A few puns for you , a smile or a groan works wonders .

    The fattest knight at King Arthur's round table was
    Sir Cumference. He acquired his size from too much pi.

    I thought I saw an eye-doctor on an Alaskan island,
    but it turned out to be an optical Aleutian .

    3.
    She was only a whisky-maker, but he loved her still.

    4.
    A rubber-band pistol was confiscated from an algebra class,

    because it was a weapon of math disruption.

    5.
    No matter how much you push the envelope,

    it'll still be stationery.

    6.
    A dog gave birth to puppies near the road and was cited for littering.

    7.
    A grenade thrown into a kitchen in France would
    result in Linoleum Blownapart.

    8.
    Two silk worms had a race. They ended up in a tie.

    9.
    A hole has been found in the nudist-camp wall.
    The police are looking into it.

    10.
    Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

    11.
    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    12..
    Two hats were hanging on a hat rack in the hallway.

    One hat said to the other: 'You stay here; I'll go on a head.'

    13.
    I wondered why the baseball kept getting bigger. Then it hit me.

    14.
    A sign on the lawn at a drug rehab center said:
    'Keep off the Grass.'

    15.
    The midget fortune-teller who escaped from prison was a small medium at large

    17.
    A backward poet writes inverse.

    18..

    In a democracy it's your vote that counts.
    In feudalism it's your count that votes.

    19.
    When cannibals ate a missionary, they got a taste of religion.

    20.
    If you jumped off the bridge in Paris, you'd be in Seine.

    21.
    A vulture carrying two dead raccoons boards an airplane. The stewardess looks at him and says,
    'I'm sorry, sir, only one carrion allowed per passenger.'

    22.
    Two fish swim into a concrete wall.
    One turns to the other and says, 'Dam!'

    23..

    Two Eskimos sitting in a kayak were chilly, so they lit a fire in the craft.

    Unsurprisingly it sank, proving once again that you can't have your kayak and heat it too.

    24..

    Two hydrogen atoms meet. One says, 'I've lost my electron.'

    The other says, 'Are you sure?' The first replies, 'Yes, I'm positive.'

    25.
    Did you hear about the Buddhist who refused Novocain
    during a root-canal? His goal: transcend dental medication.

    26.

    There was the person who sent ten puns to friends, with the hope that at least

    one of the puns would make them laugh. No pun in ten did

    3. Good morning again Maggiebelle

      I had a different version to No 12: "You go on ahead, I'll give these two a lift, " as the brassiere said to the Top Hat.

    4. Good morning again Maggiebelle

      I had a different version to No 12: "You go on ahead, I'll give these two a lift, " as the brassiere said to the Top Hat.

  71. Some musings from Cynical Rik
    What's missing from the current situation since the Southport atrocity??
    Where is the parade of all the murdered and maimed children's parents calling for peace and "Don't look back in anger" (one has been suborned I believe)
    It's almost as if the agenda doesn't work any more no wonder the actual event that kicked this off vanished down the memory hole at lightspeed
    Meanwhile this is awkward
    https://order-order.com/2024/08/07/southport-stabbings-hero-tells-starmer-to-address-immigration-concerns/

      1. Apparently an iPhone will only connect to a VPN if Apple Store make the necessary app available. However, they've removed the RT News app yet Safari will still open the page on my phone. How does that work? Interesting looking at the comments on the RT site for an article about the UK unrest. Some understand but others are parroting the intersectionalist line that those nasty colonialist Brits etc…

        1. Ha. Google/chromebook won’t let me look at RT (could be settings by him who set it up), Ig on mble brings up several versions of it. And yes, well they would wouldn’t they 😀

        2. My iPhone connects to my vpn account, I have just connected to Sweden to confirm this. All my Apple devices can connect to a VPN.

    2. best comment..
      A hero twice over to stand up to the lip wobblers and speak out 🫡
      he'll be placed on the Prevent Terror List by lunchtime..

  72. Husband son and daughter have met up in Auckland and about to have a wonderful adventure together. I can’t pretend not to be envious. You will all have to be kind to me while they are away.

    On the plus side, at 5 am this morning i tackled my son’s bedroom, hanged everything up, hoovered and dusted. I wont get a thank you, mind.

      1. I think he will, the floor is clear, the drawers shut.

        It was lovely to see all his little (and not so little) cuddly toys in his wardrobe. Big Dog, Very Big Dog, Pandybag, Pandyhotwaterbottle…makes me want to cry at the fact they’ve grown up. But they need to.

          1. Ah I remember the days…one time we were moving house, she was away, so I had to pack on her behalf. Still shuddering…..thing is, I don’t remember being like that…

      2. Don’t worry i am broad minded. I did find a tom of empty beer cans which i’m cross about as they could have gone out with yesterday’s recycling. And i have spotted his vodka stash.

    1. Commentators like to throw out accusations of bias at the police.. We stand in the middle, we operate independently under the law without fear or favour. 🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈☪️☪️☪️☪️🕌🕌🕌🧕🧕🧕
      😂

      1. Then there was Acting Metropolitan Police commissioner Sir Craig Mackey.. the one who locked himself in his car and sped off.. as he watched terrorist Khalid Masood kill one of his colleagues in the Westminster attack because he had two colleagues with him who were quite distressed *so we courageously retreated to defensive positions*. KCMG in the post.
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2f11e60e876ffaa442db5e70794b09bab7a955afbfe45bafac8c38230a113338.png

      2. Brings this to mind.

        Deuteronomy 22:5
        The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

      1. I believe so.
        I also believe so, but not sure what the surety is, other than their taqiyya word

      2. No, they were never arrested because the (Muslim) inspector in charge made a public

        statement that there was not enough evideence to convict.

        1. I thought they had been arrested and taken to a police station, which is when Lamborghini man initially appeared.

          If there was sufficient evidence to convict the white man how is is possible there wasn't for the Pakistani?

          2. A journalist should be doing exactly that.

            But the answer is that there is a lack of willingness.

        2. They should have been arrested for violent disorder. The the police would collect any evidence and decide what to charge them with.

          Quite clearly more two tier policing.
          This is going to blow up in their faces.

          1. I think it already has blown up in their sorrowful faces, Philip. It is now Universily accepted that there is Two- tier policing.

    2. I would like to hear a reporter ask one of these "there is no two tier policing" liars to explain that.

      If the policeman's word is good enough to prosecute so quickly for the white thug, why doesn't the same apply to the Pakistani thug?

      1. Because one has white privilege and the other is a poor downtrodden victim of colonialism therefore the treatment meted out is equal in it's appropriateness. Total bollocks but that is how these ignorant clowns think.

    3. This will harden peoples attitudes not weaken them. They have no idea abour human nature.

    4. A sub-headline in the Mail: Pubgoer attacked by masked gang has torn liver.
      The pub was in Bordesley Green, Brum and it was being attacked by a large gang of masked Muslims. The 'pubgoer' was floored by a punch from a masked Muslim and two other Muslims continually kicked him on the ground causing liver damage. No police were present so there were no arrests.
      Meanwhile, the 24 hour courts are slinging (white) people in prison at high speed. Of course, there is no two tier policing.

      2. The "elders" who visited the pub to apologise must have a pretty good idea who was involved, why haven't they turned them in?

          1. Of course not, they stick together.
            Although one might argue that so would any other non-Soviet community.

        1. One film of the event that I saw rather suggested he had shouted something at them, not that that makes their response any less reprehensible.

    5. Appalling. The population as a whole will not see this in a positive light. Releasing real criminals to punish people who have been driven to protesting because politicians won’t listen, and who have been provoked by plod/leftard saboteurs. Plus, that’s extraordinarily quick. Is due process being followed or is it a witch hunt?

    1. I haven't remarked about it but I noticed too, that there were people in the crowds, in several of the cities, that were dressed in the style of American ANTIFA. What is important to note about that is antifa are professional agitators on the far left, not "Right Wing Thugs". I haven't read or seen any reference to these people in the media, which is suspicious. In the US antifa work in collaboration with the far left of the Democrat Party. Are they working with any political element in the UK?

  78. I'm beginning to regret joining Reform' because of Farage. He has now thrown both Tommy Robinson and Andrew Tate under the bus over the riots. At best he seems to be an opportunist and a coward. He threw Gerard Batten under the bus too and it seems that action was not a one time only sort of thing. He evidently doesn't like the way he is being attacked on this issue and, instead of coming down on the moral side, the decent side he wishes to try running with the hare and hunting with the hounds in order to come out squeaky clean. But he will not succeed. He will alienate his supporters as he did those in UKIP and be torn to pieces by those in Parliament who play a ruthless game far better than he ever could.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEfsYXr1bhQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOAD-gHqD_g

      1. I know. Ogga and I were both UKIP and in full agreement about Farage. But Farage is getting worse in his treachery and, I think, stupid. Going after the one person who could do more to stop this is motivated, I suspect, by jealousy and a fear that the limelight could be stolen from him. Farage could not call out a hundred thousand people on short or long notice. I think that eats Farage up.

        You should follow Tommy Robinson on Twitter, you will find he has done nothing to encourage this violent behaviour and has pled for restraint every time he posts. He is being scapegoated and Farage of all people, should not be encouraging that. Ethically it makes him highly questionable. It makes him a coward.

        1. Farage a coward? With all he's endured so far? For simply standing up for the idea that UK politicians should be held responsible in the UK for what is done in the UK he has been harassed and assaulted.

          Who on here would dare?

        2. He is disassociating himself from TR as the MSM is trying to lump them both together as being initiators of the violence that seems to occur at recent protests. I've nothing against TR, I think he's a brave guy.

          1. As was I, but I still back Farage and Reform. Our only hope in these left-wing times.

        4. I have watched a lot of TR and I think he is badly treated, but he brings a Hell of a lot on himself.
          Rightly or wrongly, one is often judged by the company one keeps.

    2. I think he plays a thinking game. He must be careful or they will totaly shut him up with a Trump style charge . its a dictatorship he is dealing with not a democratic government.

    3. I think he plays a thinking game. He must be careful or they will totaly shut him up with a Trump style charge . its a dictatorship he is dealing with not a democratic government.

    4. In the first video the guy says Farage is unable to see the danger of Islam to the country. I don't believe that's true, he's treads warily around the subject is all. The TR video that he speaks of showing Farage calling all TR's supporters tattooed thugs, is it the same one Ogga posts on a regular basis? If so, then Farage doesn't say those words in it.

    5. So you keep saying..

      Then the Centre Right would have zero voice in Westminster. And that's not so clever. Where's Batten's MPs? As for Andrew Tate.. he's a Muslim convert FFS.

      Farage is playing the long game.. TR may be brave but he is a liability, and so are his loose-cannon supporters. They get all emotional, violent, prone to bursting into yobbo chants and easily fall into the Leftie traps.
      Go compare the hyper ventilating blood bursting vessel TR on CNN-18 with calm, articulate Douglas Murray on Sky Australia.

      1. And it's the exact same reason Angela Rayner has been sidelined by Keir Starmer.. she's a liability.

  80. 10/10 for Ms Littlewood for stating the obvious. I don't suppose that if she were still an advisor that this government would wish to hear any advice from her. It has its fingers firmly in its ears, as does 95% of the political establishment, wedded to the belief that Islam is the religion of peace.

    She must be picked up on one point: "…defending Islam in the UK right now is understandable." Only for Muslims. For everyone else it's indefensible.

    How the Palestine flag risks becoming a symbol for a 'clash of civilisations'

    Extremism experts warn its use risks inflaming tensions further and playing into the hands of the far-Right

    Ben Wright • Wed 6 Aug 2024 • 9:51pm

    When a crowd of masked men gathered in Birmingham yesterday following false reports that far-Right protesters were preparing to target a local mosque, the scene might have looked at first glance like an offshoot of a pro-Palestinian protest that had turned violent.

    Large Palestine flags were brandished by men gathered in the Bordesley Green area of Birmingham, while others wore the traditional keffiyeh scarf.

    During the evening a number of vehicles and the Clumsy Swan pub in Yardley were attacked by youths carrying weapons and wearing masks and balaclavas who had reportedly broken away from the main group, which had initially gathered outside a mosque and the Village Islamic Centre.

    Sky News presenter Becky Johnson was interrupted during a live broadcast at the site by a masked protester on a motorbike who shouted: "Yo, free Palestine, f– the EDL." Others chanted "Allahu Akbar".

    Many of those gathered at the mosque appeared to be simply acting on what they felt was an imperative to defend their community against attacks by far-Right thugs spouting hate towards Muslims and allegedly seeking to target further places of worship following an attack on Southport Mosque last week.

    To many observers, the Palestine flag may have seemed a surprising accessory in this context.

    But, some individuals appear to be using the flag to demonstrate a sense of Muslim "kinship". Extremism experts are now concerned that the wearing of masks and flying of Palestinian flags by Muslim protesters against the far-Right, risks further inflaming tensions – playing into the hands of those keen to perpetuate a narrative around the failure of multiculturalism.

    "By bringing the Palestinian flag along, those who took to streets risked being perceived not just as protecting the mosque but as protecting a sense of a global Muslim kinship," says Charlotte Littlewood, a former counter-extremism coordinator for the UK Government and now researcher at the Institute for the Study of Global Antisemitism and Policy.

    "While defending Islam in the UK right now is understandable, there's a danger that the current violence gets framed as a battle between Islam and the West being fought on the streets of Britain, which is radicalising and an invitation to wider violence. It's the last thing we need."

    Littlewood adds: "Parts of the pro-Palestine movement [are] based on a rhetoric driven by the Muslim Brotherhood and Iran that has found purchase in the UK. Talk to Palestinians in Ramallah and you will find a diversity of opinion. Many will tell you the war in Gaza is a territorial dispute. Muslims in the West are particularly vulnerable to adopting simplistic frames like: Muslim versus Jews or East versus West."

    "The general problem is that we need everyone working towards defusing problems rather than heightening them," says Sunder Katwala, the director of British Future, a think tank focussed on public attitudes to immigration, integration and national identity. "People clearly shouldn't be going out tooled up and in masks even if the ostensible motivation is defensive."

    The scenes unfolded amid a wave of disturbance across the UK following the fatal stabbing of three children in Southport a week ago. The riots appear to have been fuelled in part by false claims the suspect was Muslim and a refugee.

    Sky's van in Yardley was later attacked by a man with a knife as the TV crew left the area after being told they were not welcome, according to the reporter. The West Midlands police force confirmed there had been three cases of damage, one alleged incident of carrying an offensive weapon and a separate alleged assault.

    Jess Phillips, the local MP, said on X/Twitter that rumours of the far-Right gathering had been deliberately spread in a bid to cause trouble. However, James Cleverly, one of the Conservative party leadership candidates, accused her of "making excuses for masked men shouting, abusing and intimidating members of the media".

    In one video of the masked men storming the Clumsy Swan pub, at least five large Palestinian flags are seen either wrapped around members of the group, or being waved by individuals who enter the property.

    "It's clear that identity politics has been a feature of the protests around the country in the last few days, so it's no surprise to see these kinds of symbols at what appears to have been a communal response to a perception of threat," says Prof Ian Acheson, a former director of community safety at the Home Office and an expert on Islamist and Right-wing radicalisation.

    For some, the Palestinian flag and the black-and-white keffiyeh head scarf are provocations that signify support for Hamas; for others, it is an expression of solidarity with suffering Gazans and the wider ummah – the global Muslim community.

    Palestine holds a particular importance for Muslims, regardless from which part of their world their families hail, as, according to their faith, it is the holy land and the home of many of their prophets. Younger Muslims across the West also say their affinity with the Palestinian people is in part a reaction to the incidents of Islamophobia they've experienced in their home countries.

    Many argue that, viewed in this context, it is perfectly natural for Muslims going out on the streets to protect their local community from the potential threat posed by a far-Right demonstration to fly the flag of a country with which they may have no familial links.

    However, amid the polarised passions and viral slogans circulating through social media's echo chambers, such symbols have been pounced on by those seeking to establish an "us and them" narrative.

    "In many parts of the country, especially those marked by extreme deprivation and demographic pressures, the social glue that ensures community cohesion is thin and disintegrating," says Acheson. "The introduction of race politics into such areas by bad actors is bound to radicalise and inflame tensions."

    Katwala points out that Luton became a hotbed for radicalisation because Anjem Choudary and Tommy Robinson, who was then known as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, were constantly holding protests and counter-protests against each other in what became a form of "mutual dependency".

    Choudary, who was eventually sent to prison for supporting Isis, organised demonstrations at which soldiers returning from Iraq were called "terrorists". Robinson organised counter-protests against the Islamists that eventually resulted in the formation of a group called the United People of Luton, which later morphed into the English Defence League.

    "The issue is that if fringes within a minority group adopt an aggressive posture, it can further inflame tensions and exacerbate the problem," says Katwala. "Nothing would delight the far-Right more than for Muslim communities to start contributing to some imaginary civil war or the narrative about a supposed clash of civilisations.

    "There are other, better ways for communities to protect themselves, show solidarity with others and help the police do their job without escalating tension."

    The flying of the Palestinian flag has also been taken as evidence that those gathered in Birmingham were demonstrating rather than counter-protesting. The lack of a police presence, especially during the earlier part of the day, has therefore fed claims that forces are engaged in "two-tier policing" and dealing with some protestors more harshly than others.

    In response to the storming of the pub, Elon Musk, the billionaire owner of X and Tesla, tweeted: "Why aren't all communities protected in Britain?" He labelled Sir Keir Starmer #TwoTierKeir, prompting Lord Watson of Wyre Forest, the former West Midlands MP, to label him "ignorant" and "divisive".

    Policing experts say the claims of two tiers of policing are based on fundamental misunderstandings. "The tenets of policing protests are universal and commanding officers will follow the manual regardless of who it is out on the streets," insists Owen West, a former Chief Superintendent in the West Yorkshire Police force.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/06/palestine-flag-symbol-muslim-kinship-riots/

    1. "… those keen to perpetuate a narrative around the failure of multiculturalism."

      Also known as those who wish to reveal the truth about the failure of the myth of multiculturalism. "A house divided against itself cannot stand." The same applies to countries.

    1. Exactly what you'd expect from the Independent. It also misrepresents the miners' strike.

      1. Exactly my point.
        But it seriously suggest they are all in this against the British people together.

        1. We’re still members and subject to its jurisdiction.
          If we were not, deportations would be much easier.

          1. Not just ridding ourselves of the ECHR but all the Human rights legislation that followed.

          6. SO we leave. At least we repeal the Human Rights Act. As a last resort we do what Italy and France do – ignore it. Who is going to declare war on us?

          9. My current betting is that the EHCR will overturn the SC ruling and Starmer’s Govt will “regretfully” take her in.

            That might cause significant demonstrations.
            We live in interesting times, in the sense of the Chinese curse.

        2. The French have set the precedent of raising 2 digits to the ECHR when they deported a foreign criminal in the teeth of an ECHR ruling to the contrary.

    2. How much has all that to-ing and fro-ing in the Courts cost the British taxpayer (given that we are paying both sides of this)?

    3. No, I beg to disagree, it is not good news, except for the assortment of per verts pae dophiles and tls who are employed by the Home Office and the Security Service, and I include their former boss Theresa May. Shamima was fifteen years old, a CHILD, when she showed that London Gatwick Airport security was as effective as a bucket of p*ss. SB was later a victim of statutory rape, rather like the tartlets of Rotherham, and her babies (real human beings) were allowed to die. Since then, thousands of unidentifiable men from the Middle East have migrated to the EU and the UK, and it is reasonable to assume that many of them have a criminal background.

      3. Yet she was a matter of weeks away from attaining the age where Labour, and other political elements of The Left, consider she'd have been old and mature enough to vote.
        However, even then, at 16 there are many activities where the person is NOT considered old and mature enough to partake in.

    4. No, I beg to disagree, it is not good news, except for the assortment of per verts pae dophiles and tls who are employed by the Home Office and the Security Service, and I include their former boss Theresa May. Shamima was fifteen years old, a CHILD, when she showed that London Gatwick Airport security was as effective as a bucket of p*ss. SB was later a victim of statutory rape, rather like the tartlets of Rotherham, and her babies (real human beings) were allowed to die. Since then, thousands of unidentifiable men from the Middle East have migrated to the EU and the UK, and it is reasonable to assume that many of them have a criminal background.

  85. The police have a saying:- 'we can only police by consent '.
    I have a saying:- the government can only govern by consent.
    We are perilously close to the eradication of both….

    2. But 2TierKier doesn't understand that. He is a Lefty, and the Left think they've a divine right to tell people how to live every second of their lives.

    1. In the UK a person cannot even purchase a can of brake cleaner fluid until he/she/it is 18 years old and can prove it.

  88. Police brace for 100 more riots: Britain boards up and City workers are sent to WFH for the week amid fears tonight will 'be the busiest yet' for chaos – as chief prosecutor warns tough sentences handed to thugs are just the 'tip of the iceberg'

    100 riots?
    It strikes me that every protest is being called a riot, whether or not there is actual mayhem.

      1. There's a claim going round on Twitt that the Home office put out a tender for facial recognition systems in June already.

    2. The police should inform th Ed MSM where they intend to be aggressive and turn a protest into a riot.

  91. The Warqueen's firm got a grumpy letter from HMRC about her warqueenyess' service company.

    She replied within the day and simply told them to – very professionally – sod off and why they were wrong in everything they said and did.

    She expects a response by end of August. 2025. The state is just incompetent. Slow, inefficient, greedy, lazy, facile. The entire tax code needs to be scrapped.

  93. If they tried that here it'd be judged child labour and rendered illegal. This is why kids don't learn anything. The state doesn't want them to know anything useful when they graduate, just spout the correct responses.

  94. Well that was a waste of time physically i'm buggered I can't march anywhere but i was so pissed off by all i've read today I drove to Aldershot(Fleet) to support the protest at the gimmegrant hotel with a few horn honks
    Nope not a soul to be seen just a couple of cop cars and the usual yellow tabarded dindu security
    Sigh still at least I got of my 'arris and tried

  95. Mark Rowley hits back at ‘nonsense’ two-tier policing claims
    Met Police commissioner responds to accusations
     https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/07/two-tier-policing-does-not-exist-says-jim-mcmahon/

    Ratty's rant removed from the BTL. Admittedly it was puerile and silly but apart from that I wonder what offended the DT censors enough to take the comment down

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    A frog he would a-wooing go,
    Heigh ho! says Rowley,
    A frog he would a-wooing go,
    Whether his mother would let him or no.
    With a rowley, powley, gammon, and spinach,
    Heigh ho! says Marcus Rowley.

    It is as clear as a pikestaff that the police are being instructed to go gently on Muslims and harshly on the indigenous population.

    I can see it. You can see it. Rowley may say Heigh Ho when Frog would go a wooing but he must know the truth.

    Have there ever been any pikestaffs that are clearer?

    1. As I remarked yesterday, Rowley left the COBRA meeting in a fit of pique; consequently he snatched the reporter's microphone and – child-like -chucked it on the floor.

      Perhaps, Two-Tiers had challenged Rowley's point of view re 'Far-right Protestors?

      1. I want to know why he hasn't been prosecuted for assault and criminal damage. Just imagine what would have happened to the Sky bloke had he snatched Rowley's phone and thrown it to the ground….

    1. Anything to do with government (i.e. ‘civil’ servants) always beyond my comprehension, Sir Jasper 🙁

        1. There’s always the exception, Ndovu :-)…I started full-time work at just turned 16, finally retired at 66. Free as a bird now, hope you are too 🙂

          1. Pretty much! I took ten years out to care for my children – then another 10 part time, so a fairly broken career. I retired in 2011.

          2. 2015 🙂 I think it’s even more so today, when I see my offspring working even harder than I did. Keeps your brain active tho, can always use more of that.

          3. I do a lot of voluntary admin work – hedgehog hospital, table tennis club (two) and the table tennis league. The league made me a ‘life member’ this year as I’ve done the minutes since 1998. The other secretary resigned so I got that role as well. All keeps me busy.

          4. Good to read, Ndovu. Love the idea of hedgehog hospital (not seen one for around 20 years). Important to keep brain and body occupied 🙂

          5. It’s what we were doing last weekend – three long days fundraising at the local Steam and Vintage Vehicle event. It costs quite a lot to run the hedgehog hospital and we’re all volunteers. The money goes on the costs of care – medication, vets’ bills, food, etc .

          8. Fab, just did that – through Paypal somehow, even though I don’t have an a/c..go figure..hope it reaches you OK:-) Haven’t seen a hog for around 25 years, your pics good to see.

          9. Thanks so much – Kathryn from Kendal! I’ll send an email to thanks you as well………. Much appreciated.

  97. UK POWER GRID OPERATORS ESO FEAR BLACKOUTS

    National Grid executives are sounding the alarm, predicting blackouts in the South East by 2028 due to the transition to reliance on renewable energy. This dire warning comes as no surprise to Guido, who has long questioned Labour’s reckless rush towards their utopian Net Zero dream…

    Blame for this looming crisis is laid squarely at the feet of the erratic wind and solar power schemes that Labour so fervently champions. Electricity supply from renewables is set to skyrocket this decade under Labour’s push to make the power grid Net Zero by 2030. Industry leaders also point to a set of outdated market rules that are only making the bottlenecks worse. More red tape to go green over growth…

    Electricity System Operator (ESO) executives are reportedly deeply “worried about keeping the lights on” in the South East with a source telling the Telegraph that “there will be blackouts in the South East by 2028”. Ed Miliband’s dash to decarbonise and rely on wind and solar plants – which are being mostly built in the North – making it difficult to transmit power across the country. With ongoing strikes and the threat of blackouts, are Labour taking us back to the 70s?

    UPDATE: An ESO spokesman responds:

    “We refute this categorically. We are not forecasting blackouts. As a prudent system operator we regularly assess the future challenges to decarbonising Great Britain’s electricity system whilst maintaining security of supply and managing cost. The ESO’s analysis in respect of zonal pricing supports the strategic build out and operation of Britain’s electricity system in a manner that is efficient and ensures that all networks and assets are utilized [sic] to their maximum. The ESO’s analysis does not show there will be blackouts because of current market arrangements. It indicates that we will need to continue to use our operational toolkit to balance the electricity system on a national basis. However, we expect that reforms to the wholesale electricity market, the accelerated delivery of electricity networks, and delivery of new generation and storage, will create a more efficient electricity system for the future.”

    Guido thinks he means by “zonal pricing” that prices will have to go up in the South East if we don’t want power cuts.

  98. A busy day today!
    Off to see Physio first thing and he didn't think there was much wrong with me beyond strained back muscles and, on the way back, I called into Wirksworth Co-op.
    Coming out of the co-op, I realised the rear left tyre was flat.
    Managed to limp to the airline and put 40psi into it which, despite a leaking valve, saw me safely to Walker's garage in Cromford where my spare wheel was awaiting a new tyre to be fitted.
    Left the van there for a couple of hours for them to sort out and walked back home, picking up and dragging a lump of dead tree to one of my pick-up points.

    Went back down later, dragging another lump of dead tree to a pick-up point.

    New tyre on former spare wheel and now on the rear left, advised the old rear left tyre had been driven too far when flat and was also punctured so they were waiting for a replacement to be delivered.
    Will probably pick it up and settle the bill on Friday.

    I don't think I mentioned a motor-cyclist came adrift at the weekend just up the road, not seriously injured, but needed stitches in an arm wound so his bike's been in the yard since then.
    He's having trouble getting someone to pick the bike up, so, as it needs to be got to Congleton and I'm going to see stepson tomorrow, I'm planning to load it up and take it over for him and then drop down the A34. Yes, he has agreed to pay for my efforts!
    So I've cleared the camping gear out ready to load it.

    2. I had been wondering how your stepson is doing Bob. I hope things are on a more even keel.

    2. I heard on here earlier (don't know if correct or not) that the senior (muslim) officer said there wasn't enough evidence to charge.

      How about violent disorder, resisting arrest and putting several officers in hospital.

      We have been hearing for years how the Met are toxic and racist.

      Those types will be the only ones left as all the decent ones leave.

        1. How can we be sure of anything we see presented to us.

          Andrew wots his face at Downing st where he had a hissy fit the vid was obviously doctored. the time limes proved him to be a liar but now he is back

  100. AUTHORITARIAN MUSK-HATING LOONS CALL FOR SHUT DOWN OF X

    Elon Musk is doing a great job winding up Britain’s hard left by maintaining freedom of speech on X, formerly Twitter. It hasn’t escaped the notice of some of the platform’s pub bores…

    Here’s tin-foil hat merchant and Byline Media supremo Peter Jukes comparing the platform to Nazi occupied Paris. Twitter is as bad as Nazi occupied Paris, of course it is Peter…

    https://order-order.com/2024/08/07/anti-free-speech-musk-hating-loons-call-for-total-shut-down-of-x/

    Times Radio‘s Calum Macdonald lamented that the un-policed “town square is burning“. He may be community noted for this one…

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1821120570936692790
    Trust the metropolitan elitist Lewis Goodall to have a stab at the platform. Not like he’s got it wrong before…

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1820853589713055989
    Meanwhile leftie lawyer Jessica Simor, supposedly a human rights advocate, is urging Keir Starmer to literally ban Twitter in the UK with a ‘one line bill’ in Parliament:

    https://order-order.com/2024/08/07/anti-free-speech-musk-hating-loons-call-for-total-shut-down-of-x/

    She has repeatedly advocated for the site to be closed down, which would bring the UK into line with authoritarian states which block the site like China, Iran and North Korea. Would the one line bill be 140 characters or less?

    1. a trio of lefties afraid of the internet, giving us information. the MSM wants to suppress.

    2. Setting aside any dark political implications of banning Twitter, there's no point. There are plenty of other internet based forums which will step in overnight. Jessica Simor, like many others, needs to get out more.

          2. That's because they are all the picaninny descendants of those enslaved by Cherie and Tony

          6. I wonder how many millions, if not billions, of tax payer money has passed to them since the firm was formed.

            It might make a very interesting Freedom of Information request.

          7. No it wouldn’t. It would all be redacted on grounds of commercial confidentiality.
            (I have experience of trying to make FOI and data protection requests for information the authorities would prefer not to divulge)

  101. Goodness there are some feeble bluddy wimps around! Apparently the latest weak excuse for not turning up in the office is o-o-h-h but it's not safe to travel because there are anti-immigration riots going on in London boroughs and there's a warning been put out not to travel, shock horror! Amazingly other teams have turned up in the office today and no-one looks like they ought to be in A&E. Westfield shopping centre still looks indistinguishable from it's equivalent in Dubai. There are no pools of blood. Transport for London are not recording any problems on their travel status webpage beyond planned closure of part of the Bakerloo Line.

        1. They'd complain like mad if all the Waitrose delivery drivers said they were too nervous to go to work…

    2. WIMPS!!

      UK riots latest: MPs advised to work from home ahead of 100 far-Right rallies Updated 2 minutes ago

      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2024/08/07/TELEMMGLPICT000388993219_17230367520530_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bq3NQBLvp5yS0jnbfaxqR4vruGDFIrKF9eywxSWQ9UBzU.jpeg?imwidth=680 Shops on Old Market Road and West Street in Bristol board up their windows and close early ahead of a planned protest CREDIT: Tom Wren / SWNS
      KEY MOMENTS
      Chosen by us to get you up to speed at a glance

      12:36pm
      Man sentenced to three years for violent disorder
      11:09am
      Southport attacker likened to a ‘crouching tiger’ by survivor
      10:18am
      Inquests into Southport deaths opened and adjourned
      10:11am
      Businesses in Southend board up ahead of riot today

      MPs have been told to consider working from home as police brace for more than 100 far-Right demonstrations and 30 counter-protests tonight.

      GP surgeries are closing early and City workers have been told to leave the office amid fears that staff and patients could be caught up in the unrest.

      Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the Commons Speaker, has written to all MPs encouraging them to stay away from work if they fear that they could be targeted by demonstrators.

      The advice from Sir Lindsay, first reported by The Independent, was sent to all MPs on Tuesday, with individuals free to decide the most appropriate course of action for themselves.

      It comes as police sources said forces were braced for a “very busy night” of activity, with almost 4,000 riot officers deployed across the country and a further 2,000 on standby.

      1. MPs have been told to consider working from home

        Parliament has broken up! MPs are on their holidays!

          2. Mpox is on the increase……..and then there's Bird flu and RSV…………..I'm sure they'll find some reason.

    3. The suggestion that far right riots would be breaking out in many towns and cities tonight suits the narrative. I doubt the BBC will be showing many muslims being involved. Except for defending mosques from Nazi's.

      I particularly liked the image of the over muscled skinhead with his shirt off showing swastika tattoos. I wonder how much he was being paid.

        1. I wouldn't be in the least surprised.

          They have been whinging on about populists and far right for ages. What they have actually achieved is a swelling of people that are now leaning in that direction. I hope they regret it.

      2. I have to admit, when I saw that footage I wondered which casting agency he came from.
        BBC squealing about "far right" thugs on the rampage – and right on cue appears a white man with a swastika tattoo! And he was helpfully walking round topless so that he could be photographed too!
        I am no expert in these things, but I thought there was all kinds of other symbols that they use for their tattoos. I've never seen anything like that in any photos before

      3. I have to admit, when I saw that footage I wondered which casting agency he came from.
        BBC squealing about "far right" thugs on the rampage – and right on cue appears a white man with a swastika tattoo! And he was helpfully walking round topless so that he could be photographed too!
        I am no expert in these things, but I thought there was all kinds of other symbols that they use for their tattoos. I've never seen anything like that in any photos before

    4. It's covid all over again. They are revelling in the government-created "emergency."
      The news is pandering to all their prejudices and bigotry against the working classes and they can't get enough of it. Lies are being written into this country's history in front of our eyes.

    5. That will be the latest mentionable as many times as possible in a paragraph. Along with climate change, mental health issues, far right, pandemic and so many other Dopey Wokey expressions.

    6. I did see a lot of blue light police cars and a couple of police vans travelling at high speed towards Tottenham last night so I wondered if anything untoward was going on.
      But it seems like it was just another evening in north London.

    1. This is a serious topic. Just because you don’t like them, don’t try and censor my posts.

      Many NoTTLer post whimsy on here. It keeps (most of) us from being cantankerous curmudgeons.

          1. When they swapped from left to right, they did it in stages, Volvos the first week, Saabs the second.

          2. Same as….before we go on holiday in Europe I spend a few days before practicing.🚘🚙🚜

  105. I was deported 13 years ago. I missed the Rwanda bus, though, and ended up in much cooler Scandinavia.🤣

      1. Grizz lives rural. He doesn't see what is going on in Malmo and other cities. So when they start swarming like locusts, he might.

      2. No socialism here. They gave up on that failed experiment decades ago and now operate a thriving market economy. Taxes are tad higher than the UK but there is cradle-to-grave welfare for all.

        The health service is second-to-none.

  106. It may be serious to uor Northern sensibilities by it barely sparks an interest on mine,, George.

    1. Some like it hot, some like it cold…

      Edit: some should be yellow, obviously (see Grizz below).

    2. Some like it hot, some like it cold…

      Edit: some should be yellow, obviously (see Grizz below).

  107. Phew. Just in from two hours ladder work cleaning moss off the two garden sheds. Bloody exhausting – but, in the end, very satisfying!

    Time for a sit down, I think.

    2. I tried to get Mick Jagger to help me do that once, but he was to busy.
      We have a large number of crows and magpies that do that for us.

  110. A colourful and noisy Par Four!

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    1. Four too but mistakes along the way.

      Wordle 1,145 4/6

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    2. In the end

      Wordle 1,145 4/6

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  111. Just once. I was caught by a camera driving at 40mph in a 30mph zone. The annoying thing was that the road was a 40mph zone and had recently been made a temporary 30mph zone but the signage was unclear.

    1. I was on a dual carriageway where one side split to go over a single lane flyover over a large roundabout. No other traffic but i was doing 60 as i came off the flyover to rejoin the dual and the speed limit was 40. A conveniently placed squad car was recording people coming over said flyover.
      No chance of a collision but the law is the law.

      They pulled me. Were polite and professional and told me to produce my docs in the next 7.

      I carried along on my happy way and parked in the bus stop at Asda. I saw the parking warden and just thought fuck it. Parked and paid both tickets. This was on a small motorcycle.

  112. 😆😄

    With this current mob of idiots, I expect that they would have discussed that already.

  114. Police To ARREST Online Right Wingers Over UK Riots..
    Govt have prepared a list of Vloggers & site owners.

    Your name vill go on zee list. Vat is your name?
    Don't tell him Geoff.

    1. Isn't there a freely available book which contains lots of incitement to violence?

      2. “Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Qur’an 2:191

        “Make war on the infidels living in your neighbourhood.”
        Qur’an 9:123

        “When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you
        catch them.” Qur’an 9:5

    5. We can't have the Froggies pulling a fast one on us. This is a national disgrace and requires Action This Day

      Tourists disappointed by giant’s overgrown private parts
      Wet summer blamed as frustrated visitors urge National Trust to give Cerne Abbas attraction a trim

      Telegraph Reporters
      7 August 2024 • 1:21pm

      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2024/08/07/TELEMMGLPICT000388969237_17230320970370_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQf_4Xpit_DMGvdp2n7FDd82k.jpeg?imwidth=680
      The first documented mention of the Cerne Abbas Giant, a popular tourist attraction in Dorset, was in 1694, yet it remains unclear exactly when it was put into the ground

  117. Good afternoon Ladies and Gentlemen.
    Just back from Exbury Gardens where there was a display of falconry.
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    2. Lovely pics, thank you. The red flower at the bottom is a new one on me. What is it, please?

        1. Really? Common or garden? I had no idea they had that elaborate arrangement in the middle. Whoah! Gonna plant them now!

      1. I’m not sure I like the way they size you up to assess your suitability as lunch.

  118. David Starkey at his best.. he talks about.. Sir Keir Starmer KC, KCMG with a pension so gigantic that it requires a separate Act of parliament to protect it.
    .
    Starmer is a fundamentalist. He believes in the supremacy of The Lawyer. People like him. He believes human society should be constructed to rules made by people like him. Which are enforced by people like him. And prevent any person that is not like him.. from having a say in anything.
    . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHEVXOkcQb4

    1. "I must say a huge thank you to community elders and leaders of mosques who have played a key role in giving me… guidance."

    2. 'Salaam alaikum'

      I've looked at several online glossaries of Brummagem and Black Country dialect and I can't find that.

      1. 391168+ up ticks,

        Evening WS,

        Me neither, the nearest I got was
        “Ow yow going our kid.”

    3. 'Salaam alaikum'

      I've looked at several online glossaries of Brummagem and Black Country dialect and I can't find that.

      1. 391168+up ticks,

        Evening KP,
        If so we could never have achieved that without the continuing support for the lab/lib/con coalition party these past three plus decades.

        The political top rankers most certainly are.

  120. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f0aff0d115efdb366bb5b7ba264c102fad4db671246417fec18544527e531d8b.jpg
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3ed3ea62b878dc18ded2546447876f78954fb7503ab1df3960ba9604dbaa2bea.jpg
    T'other week I bought some frozen beef kidney online. Someone — on here — advised me that freezing it might turn it mushy. When defrosted it was not in the least but mushy and appeared like fresh kidney.

    I bought 1,800g of beef thick flank and added it to 600g of the kidney. I have made a large pan of steak and kidney (for puddings and pies) to the unbeatably delicious, award-winning recipe by Carl Smith (of the Windmill in Mayfair). Already the cooked steak-and-kidney in my pressure cooker is utterly scrumptuous.

  123. Apparently the government has announced that sharing footage of ongoing riots on social media will be considered a criminal offence, risking jail time. This raises significant questions about freedom of speech and the public's right to document and share critical events. So perhaps it would be safer just to quote the title and poster – that is not posting footage?

    1. Oh well that's good. When they ask in future if anyone has footage that could help track down offenders, then presumably they'll not waste their time, because there won't be any.

      D'uh. Yourself. Foot. Shot.

      1. That's five years in chokey for you – "using words that insult Cur Ikea Slammer and his gang".

      2. British freedom of expression thwarted and Speakers Corner will be banned ..

        So let us hope allo akbar shouters will be apprehended and will feel the firm finger of the law.

      3. Already a number of mugshots released, James. As if they thought they wouldn't be caught on camera, most things are these times.

    2. We dont want anyone to see muslim gangs complete with machetes rampaging around their neighbourhoods looking for the kuffir, certainly not.

    3. I do hope that is not true, FC (having a little titter as an "FC" in our fishing community denotes a certain type of bait, Mola will know)

    4. This government should be put in jail. They were not given a mandate for ruining our country and jailing our citizens for justifiable sharing of knowledge. Will they be burning books next?

      1. We need a Bonfire of the Vanities to put an end to all the illegitimate legislation enacted in the past fifty years.

        1. We need many fewer laws, I agree. Yet more and more – and ever more – petty, unenforceable, laws are being made by successive governments, never to be enforced except on those the government of the day considers dissident. No.

  124. That's me gone for today. A fine loaf baked this morning. Then two hours shed roof/ladder work. Knackered – it involved a great deal of twisting which gives my pore old back real gyp. Looking forward to a rewarding glass of medicine when the MR returns from her Keep Fit class at 7 pm.

    Have a jolly eveing. Again.

    A demain.

    1. Hello Bill ,

      We have had builders in today doing a little bit of work replacing one side of the south facing fascias and soffits , the wood had rotted , despite Moh filling them with stuff over the years .

      Then the other side which wasn't so bad, he climbed a ladder and sanded down and I held the paint pot , Sadolin I think .

      Had to do it , and it was a fine cool day , no rain yet , oh yes there is now!

    2. Huh ! You have had it easy. I will be preparing delicacies for 40 people on Saturday including fine wines, cocktails, Ales and other things people drink that i have never heard of (nod to Grizzz) and blood………………..y mary's.

      The one my sister wants is Baileys, Chambord and Raspberry Vodka cocktail.

      I am double pleased she is the only family member coming.

      Weather forecast sunshine and clouds with a bit of a breeze which is better than roasting to death.

      1. Phizzee dear .

        We won't be with you on Saturday sadly,

        Don't ask why , but just accept please .

        I hope you all have an amazing time , and I know you are the host with the mostest .

        1. Perfectly all right my dear.

          I will just send friend requests and if accepted gossip with the boys. LOL

          Seriously. When Wannafight was revealed i was one of the Nottlers that thought what he did was hilarious.

          Some people even on this site can be a bit one dimensional stuffed shirt types….Just sayin'….

          I will post some pics to Facebook for you.

      2. I've tipped off the local mosque and the police and Hope not Hate regarding this gathering of the completely and utterly right.

        1. We are completely right. The Halal bacon we throw at the Mosquobastards is Turkey bacon.

          Must be galling for muslims to live in a place name where they have to slaughter in a certain fashion other than just live.

        1. I did start posting a blah blah….

          I am looking forward to meeting some new Nottlers. We still on for the Pieds de Poulet?

          LOL…not actually necessary because i have been telling everyone don’t bring anything !

          People bring bouquets and then i have to find vases…………….Not so much a riot as an early night.

          1. Don't get cold feet, Phizz – it will be brilliant! I do wish I could come (you've probbly forgotten that you invited me) but I can't, so one more thing off your mind!

          2. Phizzeee – have you seen the Joan Grenfell sketch where she frets about whether or not she will win a raffle and which prize would be the worst?

          3. I think Mrs Pea’s delicacy might be a bit much, so will bring you a portion of an Asian fav to stick in the freezer, beef rendang, no chilli just sweet spices.

      4. Salivating, Phizz. It sounds wonderloaf! Wish I would be there. Looking forward to the footage.

        1. All Nottlers are invited but obviously distance and traveling is an issue. What with all the riots/bad weather forecast. Also my small town doesn’t have many high end shops to raid so it could actually be a nice normal Summer weekend.

          I do have cameras everywhere but they only record the front door step and the back garden for the wild life.

          Of course all footage of tattooed Nazis, Russian spies and anyone of the Chinese persuasion will be sent to the BBC. …………………………. Ahem.

          1. Yup. I realise that a massive tattooed Nazi such as myself would cause a problem. Don't worry! I'm not coming!

          5. I always liked 'Into Something Good' (even when they spoofed it on Naked Gun) – Peter Noone was a strange looking hombre…..

          10. Saw her earlier, sounded a bit rattled. Apparently some demonstrators already gathering.

  127. I wonder what the police would do if every far right protester (also known as concerned citizens) marched into their town centres and just sat down and chanted?
    No threatening behaviour, no violence, no looting; just a steady chant of "Control immigration now" or something similar.

    Make sure everyone has a phone and is filming what the counter protest and the police are doing in response.
    Try not to react if attacked or if things are thrown, that's the police's responsibility.

    I suspect it would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is two tier policing.

      1. I doubt it.
        Their hygiene is a lot better than those of the left and of the hand not paper persuasion.

        1. 391168 +up ticks,

          S ,
          My meaning was the extra weight regarding the law,
          in the back of their trousers.

    1. How can that rancid rozzer live with himself, pretending he's policing without fear or favour?

  129. This is all getting silly now with these street protests.
    It's getting more and more obvious that this is becoming a psyop of pandemic proportions.
    All day on the tv radio media we have had relentless propaganda.
    These all look about as real now as the Capitol insurrection.
    I suppose it worked for Biden and got the election certified.

    1. I've neither watched nor listened to a single news broadcast in the past 24 hours or more. This forum is the only thing I've read. But for that, any disturbances would be no more than a figment of my imagination. Long may they continue to remain so.

  130. It's a programme I've long given up on, not least for the presence of Ash Sarkar. However, I might be tempted because there's a new face voice on the panel.

    The Moral Maze

    8pm, Wed 7th August

    What do the riots say about Britain?

    The past week of brutish, hate-filled riots has been a disturbing time for Britian’s minority communities. What started as a protest against the murder of three little girls in Southport has swept the country for days, fuelled by the spread of mis-information on social media.

    The cause of the anger is starkly contested. For some, they are racist far-right agitators and opportunist thugs, whipped up by populist politicians and commentators. For others they represent a deeper unease about successive immigration and social policies which have left people feeling ignored, marginalised, even despised by politicians and mainstream media. The ideological divide is between those who see ‘diversity as strength’ and those who think unlimited tolerance breeds its own intolerance.

    For all the images of burning cars, racist graffiti and violent looting, there is another side to the story: those who help in the clear up, who show solidarity with their Muslim neighbours, and who make clear their opposition to racist hatred.

    What should we make of the riots? And, if there is more that unites us than divides us, what should we be doing to improve social cohesion?

    Panel:
    Ash Sarkar
    Konstantin Kisin
    Mona Siddiqui
    Tim Stanley

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0021qsy

    1. For all the images of burning cars, racist graffiti and violent looting, there is another side to the story: those who help in the clear up, who show solidarity with their Muslim neighbours, and who make clear their opposition to racist hatred.

      Tell me again, how did "society" react when it was the BLM stormtroopers doing it?
      Tell me again, how did "society" react when the Batley teacher was hounded out?
      Tell me again, how "society" reacted to the numerous stabbings of whites by blacks and Muslims?
      Tell me again about how "society" reacted to the various bombings and rampages carried out by Muslims

      And finally , tell me why being anti Islam, which I very much am, is racist.

      Until this last week "society", also known as typical British citizens has blithely gone on with their lives without riots and protest marches, now they are finally trying to say
      "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"

      1. In the intro:

        Kisin and Siddiqi, both very briefly: "We're worried."

        Ash Sarkar claimed to have received an anonymous message on Instagram saying: 'I just wish someone would blow your effing brains out' and that that was typical of what she had been receiving over the last week or so. She went on: "If rail replacement buses couldn't make me hate this country then neither will racial abuse. I retain a fundamental faith in humanity."

        Tim Stanley: "People think that conservatives talk about immigration because they hate immigrants. They're wrong. It's because we hate disorder. We have a pessimistic view of human nature, that different cultures can struggle to get along, so if immigration is not managed or consensual it can breed racism and trigger violence."

        It's a moot point as to whether AS received such a message; perhaps the police will look into it. What is less certain is that the sender was being racist. You could listen to any of AS's utterances without knowing her 'ethnicity' and still find yourself reaching for the heavy weaponry.

  131. from Coffee House, the Spectator

    Back to the Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley, who seems to have recovered from his strop earlier in the week. After Rowley was slammed for ignoring reporters who met him outside the Cabinet Office – even grabbing the microphone of one journalist – the Met boss has decided to speak with broadcasters today amidst rising fears of ‘two tier policing’.

    Hitting out at claims that police officers are treating some groups more severely than others, Rowley fumed:

    It’s complete nonsense. We have commentators from either end of the political spectrum who like to throw accusations of bias at the police because we stand in the middle, we operate independently under the law without fear or favour. And if you’ve got crazy views over there, you don’t like it; and if you’ve got crazy views over there, you don’t like it. We will continue to do that.

    The Police Commissioner went on:

    The serious voices who echo those are of more concern to me, because the risk is they legitimise it, and they legitimise the violence that the officers I’m sending on mutual aid today will face on the streets. They are putting them at risk by suggesting that any of those officers are going out with any intent other than to operate without fear or favour in protecting communities.

    Goodness. Rowley’s tirade interestingly coincides with the circulation of a broadcast clip with West Midlands Police Superintendent Emlyn Richards. The copper’s interview has been subject to a social media pile-on with users adamant he admitted to a ‘two tier’ system – after discussing how the force met with ‘community leaders’ to ‘understand the style of policing we needed to deliver’. The top policeman ruffled feathers further when he told Sky News that: ‘The vast majority of people who attended that protest yesterday did so law-abidingly, and did so with the right intentions… What we saw was a response from our communities, where they were trying to make sure that was policed within themselves, and trying to deter people from taking part in that disorder.’

    Scrutiny of the country’s police forces continues as the nation looks set to face more riots tonight. As Steerpike wrote earlier, most Brits believe coppers have dealt with disturbances well up until now – but there is nervousness about how the force will cope if the violence continues. Sir Keir Starmer has said that rioters will face ‘the full force of the law’ and today the CPS has announced that 140 people have already been charged. But the new PM still has his work cut out if he is to draw the chaos to an end…

    1. Not a happy bunny when people have crazy views 'over there'. Obviously not to left hand side.

  132. https://twitter.com/Tanya12510208/status/1821228367078703465 I might have mentioned this last year , but in our village we have traffic calming for about 300 yds , give way to traffic near our lovely little pub and local shop , simple reason , lots of cars shooting down the road from Lulworth / or trying to get to Lulworth or local traffic .

    Anyhow I gave way to several cars then carried on and a car shot down the road in front of me, tried to squeeze past me, it was full of you know whats .. and the driver shouted out to me " Get out of the way you f###### white bitch " and the other passenger in the car leant over out the rear passenger window gesticulating .

    Pure macho behaviour and bad manners . other people saw the incident , and the same type of people shop for goodies in our local shop before they shoot off to the beach and staff say that they are treated rudely , the only polite ones are blacks , and they tend to be jokey and flirty , every female is referred to as "Doll", well almost.

    1. Belle, in the articles about the Birrmingham "incident" – did the phrase "Village Islamic Centre" catch your attention, as it did mine?

      1. Yes i was listening to a podcast (New Culture Forum perhaps) earlier today where they explained why. Of course i can’t remember because i only semi-listen.

          1. There's one in Shrewsbury. The Shires have fallen – good evening, everyone, by the way!

          3. Not me. I reject it. I’ll fight it as best I can (even if it’s only by getting down on my knees and praying).

    2. Yes see my post earlier in the year with my encounter with two in Richmond Park, who nearly killed me. They don’t respect women at all. Which is why i am gobsmacked as to why the Leftards fetishise them.

      Ps hope you are OK! It’s shockong. I was on adrenaline and then. 5 minutes later in floods of tears. It was so bad.

        1. No. I was on my bike, they were illegally parked and then they pulled out without looking and missed me by inches, i could see they were both on their phones (i.e. also the driver, he was texting). I caught up with them outside the Park as the roads have cars parked both sides, so i was trying to explain how dangerous it was and that he had missed me by inches but he just told me to f off; a car coming the other way which now couldn’t get through was driven by a black guy and he got out and took sides with the brown guy (i hate these terms but here we are) so i had two brown and one black guy in cars against me on my bike. So i got no acknowledgment that the driver had done anything wrong. My point to the driver merely being, it’s illegal to text on a mobile while driving, moreover it’s dangerous and he will have an accident if he continues like that. But he didn’t care, wasn’t interested, didn’t see the problem, wouldn’t even acknowledge what he had done (as he was oblivious to it).

          1. When we lived overseas in Nigeria, we saw many accidents , lots of Nigerians rode bikes , they appeared like a swarm , the wealthier ones drove Mercs or BMW’s , and drivers thought nothing of admonishing the bike riders that the car drivers had collided with .. We were constantly held up in queues of traffic when accidents occurred. Life was cheap out there , shrug of the shoulder cheap .

            We lived on a secure Shell oil village nr Port Harcourt .. A dead body lay on the road outside our encampment , no one would take responsibility for it ( Tribal Nigerians ) and Shell bods didn’t dare get involved , it was terrible , there in the heat for all to see for nearly a week , a new huge road was being built by the regional government , and when it got near the residential gates the corpse was buried under earth , stones and tar … the road rollers and earth movers just went over it ..

            African mentality is so different , it is a shrug of the shoulder , raising of the chin attitude.

            Little did I know that when we were back in the UK years later that my poor mother would be killed in a car crash in 1986.. by similar arrogant fast driving African ..

            I am so saddened to hear of your bad experience , you were left feeling vulnerable and threatened , and with bad memories xx

  133. Posted this on TCW.

    Oil rich Britain , going the way of Venezuela , Nigeria , Libya , Sudan Etc Etc

    Why is Venezuela poor if they have oil?
    Political corruption, chronic shortages of food and medicine, closure of businesses, unemployment, deterioration of productivity, authoritarianism, human rights violations, gross economic mismanagement and high dependence on oil have also contributed to the worsening crisis.

    Get it?

    1. I do hope their chauffeur driven transport mentions the name of the company on Tripadvisor.
      My experiences with Spanish taxi drivers made me think about carrying……….

      1. The boats are so large now it can't be anything other than an invasion and we who complain are called racist bigots.

  135. Thank god it is starting to rain
    The Lefty Anti Racist protests are kicking off all over the country.
    The police have a secret weapon to see them off.
    Bars of soap

    1. I don't think that either Private Armies or Private Police are lawful in this country, Why are our muslim brethren allowed to have them both?

    2. Oh dear.
      Does anyone else thinks he looks worried?

      Not a good look when you live there. Do us all a favour and tell the fucking truth. Take Jess Philips aside and tell her she is going to die unless she wakes up to realllllity.

  137. Has anyone noticed that global war and global viruses and global other bullshit has been taken over by other media news where individual people like Tate, Musk and Fox are the main headlines?
    Askin' for KIm Jong……not so crazy-Un.

  138. – What is it with the yanks?
    They keep beating all our certain gold medal athletes on the line, coming from behind.
    They must have a new tactic, run faster at the end

    1. In yesterday's 1500m final, the UK's Kerr and Norway's Ingebrigtsen allowed their long-standing, mutual loathing of one another to distract them so much that the Yank sneaked through on the inside.

      1. They've changed the system, Stormy; the <> commands no longer work. You have to highlight the word or phrase and then click on the command below the box where you've written your post.

  140. Were our parents breaking the law by defending the country against the Germans .

    Were our grandparents breaking the law because they were too old to enter the services but decided to join the home guard and defend us here at home , and listen out for spies and and invaders and those who shouldn't have landed here .

    https://history.blog.gov.uk/2015/06/18/invasion-publicity-during-the-second-world-war/

    Officials within the Ministry of Information sought to use this opportunity to stress the publicity value of resistance. They argued that any order would fail unless it gave civilians ‘some prospect of being able to defend themselves’. However neither the Ministry of Home Security nor the Home Defence Executive were willing to amend their stances. The result was that all three departments again pursued their own approach, providing alternative drafts of a leaflet called Stay Where You Are for the War Cabinet. The former diplomat Harold Nicholson, who wrote one version, complained that it was ‘absurd to expect people to stay in their homes without telling them what to do’. His senior colleagues in the Ministry of Information eventually decided that their only option was to surrender responsibility for the leaflet to the Home Office.

    Fifteen million copies of Stay Where You Are were distributed at the very end of July 1940 at a cost of £13,433. The focus remained on the need to ‘Stay Put’ but the tone was more active than before. So it was stressed that the public should ‘not attempt to join in the fight’ but noted that: ‘You have the right of every man and woman to do what you can to protect yourself, your family, and your home’. Such instructions was soon criticised for being ‘so indefinite as to be of little value’.

    ‘Beating the Invader’
    Britain was not invaded in the summer of 1940. However this did not signal an end of the debate over how best to communicate the threat. Indeed the subject came back onto agenda in January 1941 as part of a thorough review of the government’s civil defence arrangements. The Ministry of Information were again asked to produce a leaflet which would ‘interpret and amplify’ If the Invader Comes and Stay Where You Are. The result was 15 short paragraphs that offered practical advice in a question-and-answer format. Car-owners were for the first time told to put their vehicles out of action by ‘Remov[ing the] distributer head and leads and empty[ing] the tank’.

    The final leaflet was distributed in late April 1940 with the optimistic title Beating the Invader. Given what had come before, it is fitting that the delay was due to Winston Churchill’s dislike of the term ‘Stay Put’ and a disagreement with the War Office. It is similarly fitting that the leaflet was almost abandoned when concurrent attempts to ‘rouse the public’ through new posters and press advertisements was deemed to have failed. All of those involved believed that the government needed to show decisive leadership and offer clear instructions. Yet the experience of invasion publicity in the Second World War shows just how difficult it was to achieve these ends when facing a threat that many had hoped to avoid.

    1. This labour government will have an awful lot of relevant to events, questions to answer very soon. And they are ready showing a reluctance to focus on the truth. Simply because they don't have the faintest idea what they are doing.
      The more lies you start to tell the more lies will have follow.
      And every breath they take, every move they make every step they take we'll be watching them.
      Not the police, but the public.

      1. If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
        (Shylock, Act 3 Scene 1)

        1. The labour party are filled with hatered that they aim at the patriotic British people.

  141. I love the American Star Spangled banner anthem .

    If we were to suggest to the King we should change out National anthem , what would he want ?

    I would choose (tongue in cheek ) We are the Champions , Queen's (pop group) famous ditty?

    3. I've learned to despise it. The ululating, emoting divas who think that multiplying the number of notes manyfold is somehow indicative of emotion, rather than actual grandstanding and showing off, have ruined it for me.

      As for We Are The Champions – thank goodness you are being tongue in cheek – it's a grotesque display of supremacist triumphalism. On the whole I like Queen, but if I could consign We Are The Champions, We Will Rock You and Fat Bottomed Girls to the dustbin of history, I would do so in an instant without an iota of regret. Ghastly songs.

  143. The Moral Maze; I referred to it earlier. Some of it (I listened for about 25 minutes) was a bit tame but the last guest was Kieran Connell of Queen's University Belfast. His line was simple: all worries about immigration are racist and Britain has to suck it up because of the Empire. His exchange with Kisin was fiery as, more than once, he effectively accused him of racism (mostly because he couldn't answer Kisin's questions) and did so in the most dismissive and condescending manner. If he was in the room with you, you'd want to punch him. Really. Listen from 35m 40s.

    The summary spent too much time on 'integration' and not enough on basic human nature. Our species is tribal. You can't wish that away.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0021qsy

    1. ‘We are here because you were there’.A point jibe made fifty or so years ago by people coming from India or the Carribean.
      But it must have lost its sting when people began to come from everywhere else. Most of the people who’ve come in over so many years, have nothing to do with Britain’s colonial past.

      1. 'We are here because you were there.'

        An argument that is embarrassing and provocative. With the exception of South Africa and the Rhodesias, the British presence in the African and Asian empire was minimal. There is not there today nor was there in the past the equivalent of what we have from there in the UK today.

        And in SA and Zimbabwe/Zambia, the white settler is all but gone – died of old age, murdered or emigrated.

    2. The Moral Maze went downhill after David Starkey and Janet Daley were no longer invited on. That must be 20 years ago at least.

    3. I’ve just read Kisin’s X post about the current situation and its causes. I would recommend everyone to read it.

      1. It was the first time I've listened to even a part of an edition for some considerable time.

    1. A message on Telegram:
      "Goodness I can't stop laughing. The Police are out in full force! The Far Left are out in full force. But nobody else. I think the main stream media got that wrong. Lovely quiet night in for the Patriots who have to get up for work in the morning."

      1. It could be a planned strategy, at last. Organisation is the first requirement. Also from Telegram "If you went out on the streets tonight, men in small groups on phones, holding back patriots telling them to go home, marvellous."

      1. Yes, but he is very equivocal about the "some" reponsibility that he accepts that muslims should share. There are a few BTL comments which point out that muslims as a whole have done almost nothing to integrate into our country, and actually made their "otherness" very obvious. They bear more than just "some" responsibility for the way they are viewed.

  146. Another day is done, so, I wish you a goodnight and may God bless all you Gentlefolk. If we are spared! Bis morgen früh.

  150. 391168+ up ticks,

    Pillow Ponder,

    We had a very credible patriotic party under the leadership of Gerard Batten successfully building in 2018/19.
    He asked the members for £100000 & received in reply £300000
    putting the party into the black financially, & gaining members daily, treachery via the party NEC & "nige" input
    prior to "nige" going into grand old duke mode, took the party down.

    G Batten was judged via the NEC & "nige" not to be of good standing within the party.

    Gerard Batten
    @gjb2021

    ·
    1h

    I am just watching Dr David Starkey on YouTube being interviewed by GB News on the current situation, re riots etc.

    He has just said something I have been saying for years now, “We need an English National Party”. The English are under represented politically.

    He is right. We cannot put the mass immigration geni in the bottle, but whatever now awaits us in the future the English (those who identify as English) need to reassert their identity & culture.

    He also says Starmer marks the end of the Labour Party. Let us hope.

    1. Good ploy to get maximum media coverage showing there are 'far more anti racists' than 'far right rioters'.

    2. Good ploy to get maximum media coverage showing there are 'far more anti racists' than 'far right rioters'.

      1. A little better, thank you, Conway. I felt very fatigued this evening, depression sort of fatigue, which wore off somewhat as the evening progressed into early night. There is a reason for this, I suppose it is reactive depression as opposed to endogenous depression.

        1. I wish I could help. Know that you have friends who are thinking of and praying for you.

          1. Thank you – yes, it is a comfort to know that nottlers are out there, thank you one and all. It is working through the processing of ‘information’ and the effect it has had on me, the result of the action of stress hormones on the body due to sudden anxiety, a realisation and what might happen (and what might not, but my mind doesn’t focus on that, of course). Your kind words are much appreciated.

    4. The idiot Starmer thinks that he can pull off the same political moves as the Democrats attempted against President Trump in the United States.

      Starmer is no Trump and we all see through his pathetic attempts to justify his illegitimate position as British Prime Minister and gain credibility to his government comprising a collection of care worn and worthless Blair retreads and his newer members comprising slim majority newbies with very little or no political experience.

    5. The idiot Starmer thinks that he can pull off the same political moves as the Democrats attempted against President Trump in the United States.

      Starmer is no Trump and we all see through his pathetic attempts to justify his illegitimate position as British Prime Minister and gain credibility to his government comprising a collection of care worn and worthless Blair retreads and his newer members comprising slim majority newbies with very little or no political experience.

  154. Heath is all over the place here. 'Do not appeal to root causes' he says, then goes on to mention many of things that have caused our economy and society to fracture. He writes of recent mass immigration without linking it to that fracturing.

    It reads like an essay rushed out unrevised on the evening of a deadline.

    These sickening riots have exposed our social model as a fraudulent sham

    None of Britain's pathologies justify in any way the racist violence of recent days. The thugs must be defeated pitilessly

    ALLISTER HEATH • 7 August 2024 • 7:59pm

    Stop, just stop, all of you jabbering away on social media. Do not legitimise evil, wherever it comes from, and do not contextualise or rationalise any of the violence, the racism, the arson, the brick-throwing, the looting and the intimidation. Do not appeal to "root causes"; down that road lies relativistic hell. The rioters are atavistic barbarians, detestable nihilists; they have no excuses, no extenuating circumstances, no worthwhile message to convey. They must be caught and jailed, and the King's peace re-established.

    The vast majority, but not all, of the attacks on people and property in recent days have been led by far-Right fascists. The attack on a mosque in Southport was an anti-Muslim pogrom, a heinous act; the attempted burning of hotels containing immigrants was a depraved attempt at engineering a massacre. A Muslim-owned shop was incinerated in Northern Ireland, in a sickening echo of race riots past. There have been numerous racist attacks – white vandals hunting anybody looking non-white, and chanting slogans too grim to print. The targeting of immigration lawyers defiles the rule of law. The assaults against police, the destruction of property and the burning and looting of high street shops: the culprits are disgracing Britain.

    The security in front of the mosque in my local area has been massively enhanced, with far more guards and stewards, all peering intently at the cars as they drive by. For the first time, a dog unit was parked in front. The fear and worry in that community at the surge in anti-Muslim hate in recent days is palpable. Members of other religious minorities are also on edge: imbecilic bigots have never been good at distinguishing between different non-Christian faiths.

    Figures on the mainstream Right correctly refused to display any empathy towards the London rioters of 2011, or Just Stop Oil motorway saboteurs. It is dismaying, therefore, that some this time around fell into the trap of caveating their condemnation with references to the "understandable grievances" of the left-behind. The degenerates on our streets must be denounced out of hand, no ifs and no buts.

    In this spirit, a second category of disgusting violence must also be called out: that being conducted by "sectarian gangs", to use the terminology coined by Robert Jenrick, the candidate for Tory party leader. There has been a lot less of this violence than of the far-Right variety, but it deserves commensurate condemnation. This time, it has been the Left that has behaved hypocritically, seeking to downplay hatred.

    Recent events in Birmingham were shocking. False rumours had circulated among the local Muslim community that far-Right agitators were about to descend, and counter-activists had gathered. An LBC reporter describes seeing hundreds of men, many "wearing hoods and masks, flying Palestinian flags and for some, carrying what appeared to be weapons". The reporter was shouted at by passing cars, told that he "would regret" being in the area, ordered to leave and chased away by "six South Asian men [who] started walking towards us, carrying what looked like a metal pole".

    The police were not on the ground; he only saw "perhaps" two or three police cars drive by, without stopping, over a critical 40-minute period. A Sky News broadcast was interrupted by a masked man on a motorbike who sped up and shouted: "Yo, free Palestine, f— the EDL", and forced the reporters to depart. A man in a balaclava stabbed the tyre of one of Sky's vans with a knife. A car was attacked, as was a pub, and a man injured.

    Anti-white racism is as evil as any other kind of racism, and must be taken as seriously. The explanation from a police superintendent for the lack of police presence was problematic. He claimed the force's response had been determined after meeting "community leaders", helping it to "understand the style of policing we needed to deliver". This two-tier approach cannot be the answer, and is undermining equality in front of the law.

    I will highlight a third kind of violence this week: that of an Israelophobic or anti-Semitic nature. Some pro-Palestine activists, armed with axes and whips, ram-raided the UK HQ of an Israeli defence firm with a prison van and attacked staff and police with sledgehammers. The factory supplies technology to the British Army, and none of its output is used by the Israeli army (though it would be perfectly proper if it were). More generally, we have seen an explosion in far-Left and Islamist anti-Semitism since the October 7 attacks, and it is becoming normalised in an unforgivable display of double-standards.

    All in all, Britain has a massive problem. Our model is a fraudulent sham. Our economy isn't working, especially for the bottom end of the population. It isn't working for entire regions. Our zero-sum game welfare state is crippled by massive dependency and a misplaced sense of entitlement.

    We have been lulled into a false sense of complacency by the success stories of the British integration model – the collapse in racism, the surge in mixed marriages, the remarkable progress of many minorities in education, home ownership, income and politics, thanks to the legacy of the meritocratic and capitalist revolution of the 1980s and 1990s.

    But this encouraged our centrist, "sensible" elites to turn a blind eye to the other side of the coin: the drastic decay and decline of opportunity in many provincial towns, juxtaposed with record immigration; the worrying prevalence of extremism, including anti-Semitism; increased ethnic conflict between minority groups; the election of sectarian MPs; and many other below-the-radar tensions.

    We need a rethink on immigration, legal and illegal: we are incapable of integrating current volumes. Our long-standing approach to policing, with its proto-colonial emphasis on managing "community relations", fetishises a failed kind of state multiculturalism. A colour-blind approach, centred on individuals not groups, is the solution.

    We must reject woke identity politics: the far-Right is now adopting its grievance culture, seeking to radicalise elements of the white working class. Policing by consent is ending: we will need a lot more officers, as in France.

    None of Britain's pathologies justify in any way the racist violence of recent days. The thugs must be defeated pitilessly. This is time for moral clarity.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/07/sickening-riots-exposed-our-social-model-as-fraudulent-sham/

      1. Precisely. Heath’s article is a sort of ‘mix and match’ conflating the occasional positives of global policies for mass immigration of North Africans into the EU and UK with the more imposing negatives on those societal values and economic interests.

        We in the west are being held responsible for all of the downsides of mass immigration into our historic homelands whilst being expected to simply accept the associated systemic racial problems. We are now expected to also pay for the social costs of the distrust this socialist experiment has imposed on us.

        Earlier today I listened to the latest version of Starmer viz. the present Director of Public Prosecutions. The latest suit is an even worse idiot than Starmer in his prime. The notion that protesters could now be categorised as ‘terrorists’ is frankly disgusting and dehumanising.

        I believe that if Starmer continues on his current path he will have to be deposed in the next few months. Starmer never earned his premiership and neither did he earn his massive parliamentary majority in Parliament. These appointments merely landed on his lap as a result of Conservative failures.

        As expected an llegitimate Prime Minister with communist beliefs has wasted no time in asserting his anti-democratic proclivities. He cannot last for much longer. We the people are more powerful than the WEF installed dolts put in place by a globalist cabal.

        1. I would love to depose this dangerous and spiteful Labour Government, but how? How do we bring them down? It seems impossiible.

      2. Precisely. Heath’s article is a sort of ‘mix and match’ conflating the occasional positives of global policies for mass immigration of North Africans into the EU and UK with the more imposing negatives on those societal values and economic interests.

        We in the west are being held responsible for all of the downsides of mass immigration into our historic homelands whilst being expected to simply accept the associated systemic racial problems. We are now expected to also pay for the social costs of the distrust this socialist experiment has imposed on us.

        Earlier today I listened to the latest version of Starmer viz. the present Director of Public Prosecutions. The latest suit is an even worse idiot than Starmer in his prime. The notion that protesters could now be categorised as ‘terrorists’ is frankly disgusting and dehumanising.

        I believe that if Starmer continues on his current path he will have to be deposed in the next few months. Starmer never earned his premiership and neither did he earn his massive parliamentary majority in Parliament. These appointments merely landed on his lap as a result of Conservative failures.

        As expected an llegitimate Prime Minister with communist beliefs has wasted no time in asserting his anti-democratic proclivities. He cannot last for much longer. We the people are more powerful than the WEF installed dolts put in place by a globalist cabal.

    2. the gibberings of a sermon from the broad church with no religion.. in other words a wet Tory that hasn't been paying attention.

    3. the gibberings of a sermon from the broad church with no religion.. in other words a wet Tory that hasn't been paying attention.

    4. Attacks on churches get a mention? Attacks on Christians get a mention? Attacks on whites get a mention? Government-inspired two-tier policing get a mention? No? Then fuck off, Heath. You are part of the problem.

  155. I see that Tommy Robinson, who I admire as a brave patriot, appears to be firing all guns at Islamism. Is he, I wonder, actually wiling to take a bullet/knife/club to the head whilst distancing himself from his family? He would make a very high profile martyr.

  157. The riots provoked by Black Lives Matter in cities such as in Minnesota such as in the twin cities Minneapolis and Minneapolis St Paul and the resulting destruction of real estate with fires and looting may well occur in the UK.

    The ingredients are in place for a repeat performance. We have a government with no mandate and so biased in favour of their latest voting groups arming the police to fight any persons objecting to their pursuit of some mythical cultural harmony on the streets. We have surely seen by now that multiculturism is an abject failure.

    We are in history but one community yet are being asked to accept more than one community and even worse, several diverse communities, each with its own boundaries and prohibitions which are often outwith English Law.

    No cohesive society can prosper and survive intact with so many fighting its intrinsic social and cultural values from within and with both the support of the state and moreover a Police state as now evidenced.

  158. That's me for today, goodnight all 😴 nearly 7 hours ago.
    I must have forgotten to post it.
    Distracted by the magnificence of the french Olympic games zzzzzzz

    3. 'Afternoon, Geoff…dunno how I've done it, but you are here from 9 hours ago whereas other messages above from 20 minutes ago…not that it's important in any way….hope you're having a good day, whatever you're doing :-))

  160. You have to concentrate on what has NOT happened. It’s very easy to get paralysed by fear.

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