568 thoughts on “Tuesday 10 September: Boris Johnson can negate the Benn Act’s command to extend Article 50”

      1. Morning, OB.

        From May’s perspective Robbins didn’t mess up: this “reward” is confirmation that he did all that was asked of him. The mess was May’s failure to get her plan ratified, thank goodness.

      2. And the two nutjobs who ‘organised’ the loss of most of May’s majority at the last GE fouled up so badly that they are each awarded the CBE. Yes, the practice of reward for failure just gets better and better for the incompetent.

        ‘Morning, Oberst.

        1. Well, on one weekend last year I burned the Sunday Roast. You can all now address me as Dame Elsie! :-))

    5. A couple of years ago, I suggested on her fan site that the young English romantic symphonic composer Alma Deutscher become the youngest-ever Dame for services to music. I have met her, and can testify both to her exemplary character, the quality of her music, and her capacity to inspire to excellence all those who meet, have worked with her, or have even enjoyed her music. She is also proving to be a formidable diplomat, having participated with cultural initiatives at the highest level in Austria, China, Germany, Russia, Israel and the United States. She and her little sister Helen are known in their adopted land of Austria as “The English Sisters” and bring another, much better, image to the land of their birth,

      While I had no doubt that she would treat such an honour with great dignity and would use this accolade with dedication and service, we also felt that this honour would do her no favours. It has become so cheapened (as amply demonstrated today) that it would actually lower her standing, as well as handing her fame and press attention that would do her no good.

      Selling out at the Carnegie Hall four months in advance maybe says more about her service to music, and sadly also about the sort of people the British Establishment are prepared to honour.

  3. SIR – The BBC either has a sense of irony or a sense of the ridiculous (or both), as it has programmed Grainger’s Marching Song of Democracy for the Last Night of the Proms.

    Jane Moth
    Snettisham, Norfolk

    The BBC’s notion of democracy does not conform with most people’s common sense approach.

    1. “The BBC’s notion of democracy does not conform with most people’s common sense approach.”

      The same can be said for their impartiality. This morning, in the short snatch of Toady that I could stomach before turning it off, they are revelling in the appalling conduct in the House of Clowns, including the shrieking Lucas, before trotting off to the TUC conference for some weapons-grade poison, unchallenged of course, from very small-minded union bosses, all of whom are irrelevant.

  4. SIR – Theresa May has joined those calling for the whip to be reinstated to the Tory rebels.

    Has she, and others such as Amber Rudd, forgotten that Rupert Allason, the only Conservative MP who refused to vote (he abstained) for the Maastricht Treaty in 1993, had the whip immediately suspended by the prime minister, John Major?

    Gerard Noel
    Cheltenham, Gloucestershire

    (A.k.a Nigel West.) Wiki: He was opposed to ceding greater power to Brussels, in 1993 he was the only Tory who refused to vote for the Maastricht Treaty when it was made into a motion of confidence. The vote was narrowly won but Allason’s abstention caused him to have the party whip withdrawn for a year.[2] He left parliament after the landslide 1997 general election, when he lost his seat to Liberal Democrat Adrian Sanders.[3] He is widely considered to have lost because he failed to tip a pub waitress a week before polling day. As a consequence, fourteen waiters who were going to vote for Allason switched to the Liberal Democrats. He lost by twelve votes.[4]

  6. Our Honourable Members last night……

    For minor amusement, at 0:36 of this video one can see Caroline Lucas being dumped into the Oppositions benches by a HoC official. There’s a better video on the front of the DM but I can’t upload it.

    https://youtu.be/opfSkYDmJzE

    1. ‘Morning, Citroen. For me it is anything but amusing. ‘Pathetic’ might be nearer the mark. Peurile, like naughty, badly brought-up spoilt brats who, aided and abetted by a rogue headmaster, have no place in the Mother of Parliaments (to misquote John Bright).

      1. As was confirmed by one of the ‘protesters’ on Today, Bercow knew that it was going to happen so that he had time to prepare some ‘wise words’ before reluctantly heading the procession to the Lords for the actual prorogation.

        1. …and did you notice that the Opposition benches were completely full? Further evidence that they were tipped off by our corrupt bully-boy of a Speaker.

  7. Good morning from very cold Saxon Queen with longbow and axe.

    So more honours for failure, it really is a disgrace for failed politicians
    or/ and their minions to obtain honours of any kind .
    The HoL should also contain hereditary peers only and not those with
    a vested interest, the whole point is that they are unelected
    and hold the HoC to account. How can they if they are biased mannequin
    dolls.

    1. ‘Morning, Ethel, a slight correction there, the heriditaries DO have a vested interest, It is the future of the Nation; inasmuch that that Nation holds and contains their estates. Yes, there may be political interest but the Nation’s future will generally override any political bias.

      As for the jumped-up poobahs with lifetime peerages, you have rightly identified them as mannequin dolls.

    2. Abolish Life Peerages
      Return the Hereditary Peers
      Abolish “The Whip”
      BUT
      No Peer to accept a Government post without first suspending his peerage and seeking election to the Lower Chamber

  8. Grieve’s intention is to skewer Boris/Cummings by forcing release of emails/’phone records/notes relating to EU negotiations.

    The equivalent from Ollie Robbins & pals would make for far more interesting reading.

  9. RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: Put your trousers on, Boris – you’re nicked! How partisan pipsqueak John Bercow has left the Prime Minister in danger of being arrested for trying to deliver Brexit

    Nothing bears testament to the tenure of John Bercow in the Speaker’s chair as eloquently as the manner of his departure.

    Yesterday’s vomit-inducing self-tribute was precisely what we have come to expect from this partisan pipsqueak, who has brought disgrace on one of the great offices of state.

    Rather than remaining impartial, he has turned Parliament into the Bercow Show, bending the rules to breaking point to further his own political prejudices and assist Labour.

    No wonder that at the end of his boastful, lachrymose resignation announcement, he was given a standing ovation by the Opposition benches.

    All but a handful of sycophants on the Conservative side of the House sat silently.

    Who can blame them? Bercow has moved heaven and earth to stop Brexit. He has pitched Parliament against the people.

    Most recently he has employed every trick in the book to help Remainers seize control of Commons business and paralyse the Government.

    The Speaker has stood on its head the tried-and-tested relationship between Parliament and the executive.

    Incredibly, shamefully, and against all constitutional precedent, he has engineered a crisis which could see a British Prime Minister sent to prison for trying to keep a solemn promise to the electorate.

    Bercow has allowed Parliament to pass a law which forbids Boris Johnson from taking Britain out of the EU on October 31 without a deal.

    Remainers are gloating that if Boris defies this law, as he swears he will, he can be arrested and jailed.

    Consider the enormity of this. The Prime Minister is facing prison if he dares to attempt implementing something which was promised in the General Election manifestos of both main parties, endorsed by Parliament, and — more importantly — voted for in a referendum by the largest single number of people in our history.

    It’s the modern equivalent of Charles I being dragged into Whitehall and beheaded in 1649.

    Which might seem far-fetched until you remember that Bercow reached back to a long-forgotten, archaic rule from 1604 in his demented quest to frustrate Brexit.

    When I wrote about the madness gripping Westminster last week, even I couldn’t have foreseen that the Speaker and the Opposition would conspire to create circumstances in which the Prime Minister could have his collar felt for carrying out the will of the people.

    Complete and utter lawyers like fanatical EU disciple Dominique Grieve and the Wicked Witch’s former sidekick Ken Macdonald, ex-head of the Crown Prosecution Service, say that Boris must be arrested if he defies the law.

    But the law didn’t exist until about five minutes ago.

    It was rushed through the House by Bercow, not as a long-overdue piece of legislation, but as a naked political device to banjax Brexit.

    A Parliament which, under this Speaker, has spent three-and-a-quarter years deliberately failing to take Britain out of the EU, took less than a day introducing a law designed to stop us ever leaving.

    So what is supposed to happen now? Johnson is sticking to his pledge to leave on October 31, do or die.

    In that event, will the Speaker —in his last service to a grateful nation — call on Scotland Yard to take him into custody?

    Will there be a dawn raid on Downing Street, complete with helicopters, dogs and an armed response unit?

    Put your trousers on, Boris, you’re bleedin’ nicked!

    How the hell did we end up here? As I said last week, we live in a Looking Glass world, in which words mean whatever politicians want them to mean.

    Even worse, Bercow has so corrupted the office of Speaker he has decided rules mean whatever he wants them to mean. He has behaved more like an absolute monarch than a mere referee.

    He is determined to stop Brexit come hell or high water and, although he announced his resignation yesterday, intends to be there at the death, to preside over Boris Johnson’s humiliation.

    Just think, as this ghastly, conceited gargoyle is being carried out shoulder-high in triumph on October 31 by the massed ranks of opportunist Corbynistas, die-hard Remainers and Tory turncoats, our PM could be driven away in a Black Maria.

    This will be Bercow’s legacy. This is how democracy dies.

    ***************************************************************************************
    Carry On Up The Conservatives
    Penny Mordaunt was on the brink of tears as she told how she’d been offered up for auction at her first party conference in 1996.

    The former Defence Secretary and Naval Reservist said it happened at a party fundraiser when she was just 23.

    Sadly, even if it was only a joke, this kind of boorish behaviour was par for the course among a certain type of Tory chap back then.

    Still, I always thought Miss Mordaunt, now 46, was made of sterner stuff. Anyone prepared to wear a swimsuit on prime-time TV must be game for a laugh.

    There’s something gloriously old-fashioned about her, the kind of no-nonsense woman who’d give as good as she got.

    I imagined that any man trying to take advantage of her would end up looking foolish, so it’s disappointing to see her coming over all #MeToo.

    She was born to wear a blue serge uniform and would have been in her element alongside Hattie Jacques and Joan Sims in Carry On Constable, inflaming the passions of Kenneth Connor and Leslie Phillips.

    Ding, dong!

    *********************************************************************************

    A masked gunman killed himself when he was hit by a blast from his own shotgun.

    He was banging on the window of a parked car in Sydenham, South London, when the gun went off.

    The full circumstances are still being investigated, but it appears to be a spectacular own goal.

    One witness said: ‘He came to shoot someone else, but ended up shooting himself.’

    No one seems to have told the local MP, Ellie Reeves.

    She tweeted: ‘Shocked and saddened to learn of the fatal shooting in Sydenham. My thoughts are with the victim and his family.’

    Why?

    It only goes to prove the cynical insincerity of these self-serving, off-the-shelf expressions of sympathy.

    Bring out the Portashrines!

    The ‘victim’ here was the architect of his own demise.

    If he’d lived, someone else would have died. Yet Miss Reeves thinks his self-inflicted death is some kind of tragedy.

    Surely, it’s one to be filed under: Oh, dear, how sad, never mind.

    *******************************************************************************
    Barely a day passes without the NHS bleating that it needs more ‘resources’.

    It emerges that one reason the health service is short of cash is because it is having to pay out £200,000 a week in compensation to patients suffering from bedsores.

    Could this have something to do with the fact that these days nurses are trained to degree level and many consider changing sheets to be beneath them?

    Florence Nightingale said more than 150 years ago that bedsores represented a failure of basic nursing standards, as patients need to be moved regularly to stop them developing. An inability to do that cost us £10.3 million last year.

    Nurse!

    ***************************************************************************
    For years, we’ve been warned to avoid red meat. Now Oxford University researchers have declared that eating chicken gives you cancer, too. I suppose we could always try washing it in chlorine.

    1. “It only goes to prove the cynical insincerity of these self-serving, off-the-shelf expressions of sympathy.”

      On spot.

      Morning zx.

  10. Morning all

    SIR – As a law-abiding citizen Boris Johnson must sign and send the letter requesting a further extension to the Brexit deadline. However, he is perfectly entitled to send a covering letter that makes it clear that it was written, not by him, but by a member or members of the opposition parties in the House of Commons; that he signed it under duress; that it represents neither his views nor those of the Cabinet; and that the next Conservative government would be committed to leaving the European Union.

    He might add that the opposition parties have been offered the opportunity to dissolve Parliament, hold a general election, and appoint an administration in accordance with their views, but have repeatedly declined it.

    If, in those circumstances, at least one EU member state did not think it prudent to veto the application, I would be very surprised.

    Dr Nicholas Shrimpton
    Oxford

    1. SIR – As my grandmother, who had three sons, used to say: “You can make a boy apologise, but you can’t make him mean it.”

      Cynthia Ellis
      Northwood, Middlesex

    2. At over 1,000,000,000 pounds a month, I’d be surprised if any of the 27 wished to stop the subs coming into the EU club.

    3. You must be joking, doc! The will of the people is a nasty inconvenience to the project – besides, they need our money.

  11. “O would some power the giftie gie us to see ourselves as others see us.”

    Can’t those dishing out ‘honours’ see how they’re becoming even more remote from the hoi polloi?

  12. Morning again

    SIR – The resignation of John Bercow as Speaker is much to be welcomed. In 50 years of following politics, I can think of no other Speaker who has done more damage to the institution he is there to serve.

    Brian Clarke
    London W6

    2. Absolutely wrong Epi.

      He has given great service to the institution that he serves so faithfully.

      Unfortunately the institution wasn’t Britain or the British parliament..

  13. Further to John Redwood’s polite request to the Remain faction who contribute to his Diary to give their positive views on why the UK should remain chained to the EU.

    How pro EU are you

    By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: SEPTEMBER 10, 2019

    We did not hear from the usual pro Remain contributors to this site what kind of Remain they wanted. So let’s try another approach to get them talking about the EU. Here is a simple test of how pro EU membership you really are.

    1. Do you want the UK to join the Euro soon?
    2. Do you want the UK to join Schengen and have common borders with the EU?
    3. Do you want the common EU defence and security identity to develop, so our forces typically are deployed for EU led missions?
    4. Do you want a larger EU budget, with more transfers to the poorer countries?
    5. Do you think the UK should reduce its current special abatement of contributions, to help the wider EU?
    6. Do you welcome the long term aim of the EU’s ever closer union which is political union?

    If you answer Yes to all six then you are indeed a keen advocate of EU membership and understand its full implications. If you say No to all these then maybe you should accept the UK cannot remain in the present EU, with so little in common with the aims and aspirations of the other members. Given the direction of travel and the legal form of the EU disagreeing with any one of these propositions makes the UK’s position difficult and means we cannot be at heart of the project. Nor can we claim to be a leading influence on the EU if we disagree with these common strands of EU thinking.

    ========================================================================================================================

    BTL (highlighting is mine)

    Annette
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 5:27 am | Permalink

    You missed out Are they happy for the top down Napoleonic Corpus Juris system of law to be superior to & replace our bottom up Habeas Corpus law?
    When they inevitably meet their ‘red line’ of EU membership, say the Euro (per Vince Cable), what are they going to do about it? Vetos are being removed. Are they going to threaten to leave, the only option left?

    Dominic
    Posted September 10, 2019 at 5:47 am | Permalink

    No longer is being a member of the EU a partnership. Being a member of the EU is an act of constitutional self-destruction.
    As an aside. Last nights scenes in the Commons is an indication of what will happen to this nation and its democracy if the opposition ever do achieve power. Labour especially are a direct threat to us all. They are pure venom unleashed and their subtle inference of violence is designed to intimidate and impose self-censorship
    Johnson can be the saviour of this nation or he can be its jailer

    1. The ” f ” word again. First thing I see when I sign on. Go and wash your mouth out, as my mum used to say.

  15. My second port of call last Saturday night was the Tattooed Arms in town, wherein it took almost ten minutes to get to the bar, such was it packed.

    A chap near me asked if he should still be coming to such places at his age, which happened to be less than mine.

    Given the jollity and scenery there, my answer was obvious. In fact, and being deadly serious, such places should be on prescription for the elderly.

  17. Terror attacks are ‘exacerbated’ by press coverage, police chief claims. 9 SEPTEMBER 2019.

    He suggested the coverage that followed such an incident might be playing into the terrorists’ hands by helping them promote their cause.

    He said: “Relentless media coverage of terrorist events is understandable given the public interest, but may exacerbate the problem. I am concerned that both social and mainstream media unwittingly amplify the threat.

    “I don’t seek to undermine press freedoms – they are important – but I do want to work with them to understand if their reporting style can help prevent, not promote, terrorism.”

    Morning everyone. He must be reading different coverage to me! The MSM response that I see is to refuse any mention of the perpetrators names, motives or origin, followed shortly thereafter by a call to defend Freedom, Justice and Unity with a parade of tame sympathisers as a garnish!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/09/police-chief-said-media-shouldnt-publish-leaks-claims-terror/

      2. I also seem to recall they were heavily involved with the necessary book fiddling keeping to get Greece into the Euro.

    3. Some time ago we as a ‘society’ started to re-live the eighteenth century. Look at the sinecures and delayed corruption.
      The elites, and I include dear Boris, know that they can grant favours to large firms, safe in the knowledge that they will be rewarded with a Consultancy or Directorship after they crash out of office.

  25. I took my dad to the shops the other day to buy some new shoes (he is 67).

    We decided to grab a bite at the food court.

    I noticed he was watching a teenager sitting next to him.

    The teenager had spiked hair in all different colours – green, red, orange, and blue.

    My dad kept staring at her. The teenager kept looking and would find my dad staring every time.

    When the teenager had had enough, she sarcastically asked: “What’s the matter old man, never done anything wild in your life?”

    Knowing my Dad, I quickly swallowed my food so that I would not choke on his response; I knew he would have a good one!

    In classic style he responded without batting an eyelid…

    …”Got stoned once and had sex with a parrot. I was just wondering if you might be my kid.”

    1. Brain steps up a gear. In the 1980s, I knew a lad who used to borrow hard prawn VHS videos from the landlord.
      One of them featured a bloke who had secks with a chicken. The lad said the truly remarkable bit was the expression on the poor animal’s face.

      As a point of interest, male parrots in captivity have been known to er, misbehave with their female owners/carers.

  26. Morning, Campers.
    Well, May’s Dishonours List has lived down to our expectations.
    Baubles and goodies for traitors, lickspittles and the downright useless.
    On the plus side, I am gaining deep insight into the causes of the French and Russian revolutions.

    1. “A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.”
      Mr Nigel Farage will be remembered when all these Lord Sycophants and Sir Sinecurists and Dames Dastardly are long forgotten.

    2. Thought for the day.

      I always did wonder what drove/motivated sane people to commit wholesale slaughter.
      Like you, i am beginning to understand.

      Good? morning.

  27. ‘Morning, Peeps.

    Although not a fan of breakfast telly, Mrs HJ has just called me in to watch Piers Morgan eviscerate Lady Nugee.

    Now, I appreciate that this is not a particularly difficult thing to do, because she is thick and a hypocrite. Nevertheless, it is a moment of pleasure in an otherwise bleak period in the current political climate. Recommended.

      2. ‘Morning, Nanners. I wish I had, but I think it was Good Morning Britain on ITV, so I would expect it to appear on the ITV catch-up service, although probably not on there yet. The piece will be found towards the end of the programme, incidentally.

    2. Saw it. I knew she was stupid, but I hadn’t realised the depth of her inate stupidity. After her performance on QT last week I’m surprised that she wanted to appear with Morgan. But, as I said………stupid.

  29. Harriet Harman vows to ensure ‘parliament will have its say’ on Brexit as she confirms intention to stand as Speaker. 10 SEPTEMBER 2019

    Harriet Harman has vowed to ensure “parliament will have its say” on Brexit as she confirms her intention to stand as the next Speaker.

    The Mother of the House said she would put herself forward for election as speaker following John Bercow’s resignation yesterday.

    There’s always a Black Cloud to every silver lining!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/10/brexit-latest-news-boris-johnson-general-election-vote-john/

  30. Sir – Poor Dr Lawrence Green (Letters, September 9), with his half-mast socks and, no doubt, inches of white shin showing when he sits down.

    For 50 years I have worn long socks that end just below the knee. The shape of the calf muscle, which forces ordinary socks down, ensures they stay up without a wrinkle.

    Dr AE Hanwell
    York

    I’ll not beat about the bush, Doc Hanwell, socks are the most ridiculous garment ever produced. I’ll wager a tenner that you still wear your idiotic long socks when you are wearing shorts and sandals. Moreover, I bet you even keep them on in intimate moments, you clown, in case your tootsies get cold!

    I have taken, recently, to eschewing my ankle socks for the type of very short sock designed for wearing with training shoes. They are sensible and comfortable and wearing them doesn’t make me look like some poor halfwitted version of Brian Rix, as the wearing of long socks (with suspenders) would! I would much sooner show “inches of white skin” beneath my trouser cuff than yards of multi-coloured cotton up to my knees.

    1. Hejsan!

      Apart from during my stay in hospital last year, I haven’t worn socks since I retired 6 years ago.

    2. I wear knee length socks with shorts because when whatever path I am walking becomes overgrown with nettles, I can pull them up to minimise the discomfort of the stings.

  31. History will I’m sure refer to the Parliament that has just finished as the Pro Rogue Parliament

    2. Arthur woz right !

      ”I am not only not prepared to bring forward any measure of this nature, but I will at once declare that, as far as I am concerned, as long as I hold any station in the Government of the country, I shall always feel it my duty to resist such measures when proposed by others.”

      1st Duke Of Wellington — Expressing his total opposition to demands for Parliamentary reform in November 1830.

    3. Once there existed the Strangers’ Gallery (renamed the Visitors’ Gallery), now with the modernisation being undertaken will they add a Rogues’ Gallery?

      1. Wasn’t this brought up yesterday when someone suggested 650 spikes at Portcullis House could be appropriately embellished?

  32. In defence of democracy. Spiked 10 September 2019.

    Similarly, there is no requirement for MPs who defect from one party to another to trigger a by-election, even though there is no doubt a moral responsibility to do so. Former Labour MP Angela Smith has now joined the Liberal Democrats via Change UK, in spite of the fact that in her constituency of Penistone and Stocksbridge the Lib Dems won a mere 4.1 per cent of the vote. In Phillip Lee’s Bracknell constituency, the Lib Dems won just 7.5 per cent, so his defection from the Tories (whose share was 58.8 per cent) is no trivial matter. ‘We don’t need by-elections’, Lee said in a recent interview. ‘We don’t actually need General Elections at the moment.’ It’s a common sentiment from a parliament that is now clearly afraid of the judgement of the public.

    This is just par for the course. These people represent only themselves and their personal opinion; the electorate can drop dead as far as they are concerned. Should the Remainers win (still the most likely outcome) it will not end the present anti-democratic nature of Government but perpetuate and deepen it since a majority in the UK will have been disenfranchised and will not forget it! Further measures will be needed to prevent them from overturning the result and this will probably mean a speedier and greater integration into the EU.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/09/10/in-defence-of-democracy/

    1. If an MP defects to another party the party must hold his vote, representing that his constituents elected that party.

      Thus Mr Lee can become a Lib Dem, but he has no vote. He simply hands it to Boris to use as he wishes. Such ensures the price of treachery and betrayal is impotence.

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  35. Opposition declares tactical victory as ruling party loses 13 seats on Moscow city council. 9 SEPTEMBER 2019

    Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny has claimed a “historic” victory for his tactical voting campaign after Kremlin-backed candidates lost 13 seats on the Moscow city council following major protests and revelations of corruption.

    Candidates supported by the ruling United Russia party and mayor Sergei Sobyanin kept a narrow majority of 25 seats but lost several embarrassing district races even though liberal opposition candidates were barred from Sunday’s vote.

    Just thought you would all like to be reminded what it is like to live in a democracy!

    Oh the irony!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/09/opposition-declares-tactical-victory-ruling-party-loses-13-seats/

  36. Good morning all – from a drenched Cote d’Azur. As promised, the rain is tipping down – which is rotten for the people sailing classic yachts to Monaco for the start of the Classic Week tomorrow.

    A day indoors reading….

    2. Morning Bill

      I met some very interesting bods who sailed huge racing yachts when we attended a party a week ago . I was very impressed by some of the amazing salty stories that my companions regaled me with!

  37. Last night watched a beeboid docu on the “Rise of the Nasty Party”.

    Fascinating to compare and contrast a small handful of extremely unpleasant plotters (NOT the Nasty people but “democrats” using the parliamentary system to achieve their end).

    A bent “speaker” (name of Goering – yes, that one); a “vote of confidence” in the then chancellor Von Papen – heavily defeated by the, er, Nasty party supporters. Hilter wins. Job done. Lots of opponents end up dead….

    Can’t think how it will end….

    Two more episodes. Watch it if you can – and don’t be put off by the “reenactments – the actors don’t speak – their views are told in the commentary.

      1. Sadly history always does – those who achieve power never learn. They think that this time, because it’s they who are in power, things will be different. Those who don’t want power but just to live their ordinary lives, never end up with any real say. Same old, same old.

  38. A little light relief from the shennagins of Westminster..

    Jade Savage went from Leicester to Peterborough for a Tinder date only to be told she was too fat!
    After spending £93 on travel expenses she has set up fundraiser to get her money back……

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5525790f9ccee09b65c7c9d1da7f9d55ee7d8924d1fca471fc139501be058c1f.jpg

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7445901/Woman-spent-93-Tinder-date-travelling-Leicester-Peterborough-told-fat.html

    1. She may have burnt off a few calories if she had set off early and walked – would have saved her £93 as well….

    4. The desperation of some people to grab their “5 minutes of fame” shows how empty of meaning parts of our society has become. This story can be read:

      “Desperate woman, who has difficulty keeping her legs together, travels across country for a chance to have sex with a stranger, if they don’t find each other too repulsive. The mission fails because he DOES find her too repulsive, and her girth to be too formidable to have sex with, even by his own low standards. Waddling back from the train she shamelessly advertises to the world that her trousers are open for business, and she will pay £90 for the chance to get into yours.”

      For me, the appeal of that lonely tower, isolated from the petty desires of the modern world, grows ever stronger.

      1. What a wonderful expression, Meredith, “Her trousers are open for business…”

        Would the Graudian entertain you as a journalist? No, I thought not, too near the truth to be entertained for a moment.

    5. Are people expecting… what? A date? To make her feel better?

      As if there’s nothing but a sob story… I’ve a council tax rise (£30 over ten years) to pay for every month. Could I have some cash for that?

  41. Daily Brexit Betrayal

    “Despicable poltroons! That describes the craven MPs

    and their leaders who used yesterday’s last session in this parliament

    to abuse Johnson unhindered by the Speaker – and still did not vote for a

    GE.

    They are a bunch of conceited, overweening, pompous,

    smug and vainglorious people, many promoted well above their mental

    capabilities. As for the leader of the SNP: not one occasion does he let

    go by where he doesn’t try to turn himself into “Braveheart”,

    regardless of the topic.

    If proof were needed for the utterly cynical contempt

    with which Labour especially but also the other opposition parties and

    the Tory Remainers regard us, the voters, then yesterday’s session was

    it.

    To crown it all, the Speaker, announcing his retirement,

    abused that last session before Prorogation to demonstrate his Remain

    bias, his contempt for the Tory MPs, for all to see. Don’t forget: this

    is all on video …!

    That he has, in the ten years of his tenure, allowed

    the Chamber to turn into a madhouse where MPs can clap like performing

    seals and where Labour MPs can behave like activist demonstrators:

    yesterday’s events proved that beyond a scintilla of doubt.”

    https://independencedaily.co.uk/your-daily-brexit-betrayal-tuesday-10th-september-2019/

    3. Reminds me of the day the builders turned up very late at a friend’s property. They explained that they had been to the funeral of a young colleague who had been repairing severe damage in a London squat. The squatters had unlawfully diverted a live cable from elsewhere and the poor man was electrocuted.

  43. Looking at the sorry performance of the House of Commons

    elected in 2017, it is difficult to avoid remembering Winston

    Churchill’s condemnation of the parliaments of the 1930s as being

    “decided only to be undecided, resolved to be irresolute, adamant for

    drift, solid for fluidity, all-powerful to be impotent”. Parliament has

    shown itself not to be the solution to Brexit but the problem.

    • Vernon Bogdanor is professor of government at King’s College London

    https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1167464464238764032

    2. This quote from WSC was repeated, almost word for word, by Boris Johnson last night when proposing a snap election. He was referring to Jeremy Corbyn.

  44. A friend has posted a picture on FB this morning of himself with Bercow. He’s captioned it…

    “It will likely be controversial to some, but having met this gentleman on several occasions now I have found him an erudite and fair man with a good moral compass. He has certainly reformed the role of Speaker of the House of Commons”.

    Reformed the role of Speaker – well, yeah, that’s one way of putting it!

    3. Yo Sue

      That well known Spaniard Menni A Juan-Kerr and all his relations are more gentlemanlike than this piece of detrius

    2. “I understand that it is intended that the oath of every serving member of our forces will be cancelled and they will be required to undertake a new oath of loyalty to Brussels.”

      That is the sort of step that makes good men and women stop talking openly on social media sites such as this, and start talking quietly to each other where they cannot be recorded.

      An Oath has meaning. I would never make one in fealty to the criminals in the EU.

      “I understand that in recent months, we have had a series of people sent from our Armed Forces to create and install the command and control centres to be used for the control of our troops once we have ceased to have any control over their use, application or deployment.”

      This is the infrastructure to control our country if our anger goes beyond letter writing, and peaceful protests. They are actively trying to take our country away from us, and they are forcing people to the point where they will act in self-defence.

      You can see why our traditional militaries have been deliberately run down over many years. If I were a soldier told to open fire on a British crowd waving Union Jacks, then I would shoot the politician who gave the order.

    4. I just loved the way that he twatted that scabby bitch of an interviewer into the pavilion clock when she started asking him idiotic personal questions.

      Bang! Six runs.

    1. In January 2009, Harman proposed a rule change to exempt MPs’ expenses from the Freedom of Information Act.
      Her parliamentary order aimed to remove “most expenditure information
      held by either House of Parliament from the scope of the Freedom of
      Information Act”. It meant that, under the law, journalists and members
      of the public would no longer be entitled to learn details of their MP’s
      expenses. Labour MPs were to be pressured to vote for this measure by
      use of a three line whip. Her proposal was withdrawn when the Conservative Party said they would vote against, and an online campaign by mySociety.[44] The failure of the motion led to the disclosure of expenses of British members of parliament.

      In December 2010, it emerged that Harman was amongst 40 MPs who
      had secretly repaid wrongly claimed expenses between 2008 and 2010. In
      November 2010, Harman’s parliamentary private secretary Ian Lavery had blocked a motion designed to allow the repayments to be made public.[45]

      1. She was also a big supporter of all-women short lists until her husband Jack Dromey needed a job!

          3. Bring back Betty Boothroyd!
            Edit: Although she has criticised both Johnson and Corbyn, she has called for a “People’s Vote”.

          5. When I worked at Raleigh Cycles in Nottingham, back in the 1990s, the company appointed a new maintenance manager called Paul Boothroyd.

            One weekend, one of the fitters needed to contact him at home to sort out an urgent problem, so he telephoned the manager’s home. When the phone was answered by his wife and the fitter asked, “Can I speak to Betty?”

            His wife fell about laughing and shouted to her husband, “BETTY! It’s for you-hoo!”

            Apparently, from that moment onwards, his wife routinely called him by the nickname given to him by his staff.

  50. Old oilly has made his bones then, mafia style, with his input towards the killing of democracy, crime pays handsomely.

  51. Dan Clarke 10 Sep 2019 8:18AM

    Shows how far our democratic country has sunk when the Prime Minister is threatened with prison for trying to implement a massive referendum result and those who hindered it are applauded.

    1. I do so hope that the PM arranges to deliver the letter personally at 11:59. p.m. on the 31st October and then rips it to pieces before handing it over. If he is subsequently imprisoned I think that the vast majority of Leave voters will ensure that those who supported him will be returned to Parliament and I’m sure a new act of Parliament will be forthcoming to Pardon and exonerate him.

  52. Good morning all
    A little something to lighten our day during these dark times.

    Paraprosdokians

    First time I heard about paraprosdokians, I liked them. Paraprosdokians are figures of speech in which the latter part of a sentence or phrase is surprising or unexpected and is frequently humorous.

    (Sir Winston Churchill loved them).

    1.Where there’s a will, I want to be in it.
    2.The last thing I want to do is hurt you …but it’s still on my list.
    3.Since light travels faster than sound, some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
    4.If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
    5.We never really grow up — we only learn how to act in public.
    6. War does not determine who is right, only who is left.
    7.Knowledge, is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
    8.To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism. To steal from many is research.
    9.I didn’t say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.
    10.In filling out an application, where it says, “In case of an emergency, notify…” I answered “a doctor.”
    11.Women will never be equal to men until they can walk down the street with a bald head and a beer gut, and still think they are sexy.
    12.You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.
    13.I used to be indecisive, but now I’m not so sure.
    14.To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target.
    15.Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.
    16.You’re never too old to learn something stupid.
    17.I’m supposed to respect my elders, but it’s getting harder and harder for me to find someone older than me.

    Sadly this is true!!! Spread the Laughter, Share the Cheer, Let’s be Happy, while we’re here!

    1. Thank you grumps! We need some lightening up, and you, Tom and Issy (among many others) do make things bearable…

  53. Will all those who think a Labour politician who was done for fiddling her expenses is a fit and proper woman, sorry, person, to be Speaker of the House, please put their hands up to make it easier for her to steal your wallet.

  54. Jeremy Corbyn has informed his paymasters that he wishes
    to launch a ” working people against the establishment campaign ”

    I assume he doesn’t mean the far left dictatorship establishment
    and as most people are ” working people ” I am not sure of which
    working people he means. It can’t be the traditional labour voter
    as many are unemployed due to cheap imported workers into
    Labour heartlands .

      1. Momentum, yes those elitist weakthy children of hedge fund managers.
        Encouraged by Owen Jones who Russel Brand once
        referred to Owen Jones as the ‘ new George Orwell ‘.
        They are all a sandwich short of a picnic.

    2. Maybe he wants to include the cheap imported workers, and stuff the indigenous who are jobless because of them.

  55. No mention on the BBC website that 3 of the 5 weeks prorogation of Parliament is to enable the three main parties to hold their annual conferences….

  56. Sod politics.

    O/T. I am away on my Hols shortly and i engaged a painter and decorator to come in while i am away. He is to replaster all walls and ceilings. Tart up the woodwork and repaint everything.

    I have moved all the furniture, paintings and nick nacks. The TV and the drinks cabinet.

    The joy of coming back to a newly decorated home.

    When i called him this morning to enable the security system with his own personal log in he said that’s all good. I’ll be there on the 19th.

    The 19th i said. Don’t you mean the 12th?

    Oh dear. :o(

      1. Eugh…

        Dolly and i walked the mile and a half to the P.O. Wasted journey. They can’t send international over 2kg. Have to try town tomorrow. Last chance because i’m off at 4am Thurs.

    2. Have good hols anyway. Are you off on your river cruise? We’re away to Kernow next week, to The Gurnard’s Head; fingers crossed for the weather for both of us and for all going away at this time.

      Perhaps we should all keep O/T for a while. It is getting so depressing. I hope Boris has some tricks up his sleeve but I fear they are going to lead us in the direction of the W/A sans Backstop, a Brexit in name only (for which the populace will be oh-ever-so-grateful) and a fast-track to further and complete integration.

      2. I’m still mulling over about the cruise. This trip is to Malta with a group of friends. Hope the weather holds for you. Cornwall is amazing. Gurnards head looks good. I like the menu.

      1. I was going to use the pilot strike as an excuse for another week. Sadly they are not striking in Malta, just France and Spain the barstards.

  58. LINCOLNSHIRE POLICE HAVE CONFIRMED THAT A MAN WHO WAS CAUGHT TRYING TO STEAL A COMBINE HARVESTER …

    … HAS BEEN BALED

    1. The evidence will be stacked against him
      Our Rik on here could defend him
      If guilty, he will do porridge

    2. POLICE SCOTLAND have confirmed that a youth arrested in Glasgow for possession of battery acid, swallowed the evidence before he could be restrained.

      He has been taken to Govan Police Station, where he will be charged.

    3. The man’s accomplice testified that his baled friend shouted to him just before he was gobbled up by the machine, “Hey, Wayne!” he’d yelled.

        1. The Constable was not amused. I’d say good evening to all of you, but I suspect that by this time, you’ve all gone to bed!

  59. As ever, Bercow condemns himself by his own words and posturing…

    John Bercow’s seething contempt for Brexiteers
    Brendan O’Neill – Coffee House – 10 September 2019 – 11:48 AM

    Anyone who doubted that John Bercow is an arrogant blowhard who harbours a seething contempt for Brexiteers will surely have been disabused of their doubts last night.

    After he announced his resignation as Speaker, and received a fawning and utterly unparliamentary round of applause from his fellow Brexitphobes on the Opposition benches, Bercow lost it. He went nuts.

    He was puffing himself up, as usual, as the sole guardian of parliamentary convention and general political decency when an MP had the temerity to interrupt and contradict him.

    Those who have accused me of bending the rules are utterly wrong, Bercow was saying. Tellingly, he kicked off his one-man orgy of self-congratulation by saying: ‘Can I just say…? Well, whether I can or not, I’m going to.’

    What a wonderful and unwitting insight into his approach to parliament — he’ll do whatever the hell he wants, even if he isn’t meant to.

    I am right and you are wrong, he continued. I paraphrase, but only just. ‘I do know what I’m doing’, he pontificated. He slammed the ‘pop-up characters’ who have criticised his abuse of the parliamentary process in favour of Remainer MPs. These people ‘think they understand [parliamentary] matters’ but in truth they have ‘minimal familiarity’ with the rules, he said.

    ‘They are entitled to their opinions but they suffer from the notable disadvantage of being completely wrong’, he blustered, chewing over every syllable in that way that people who are unflappably convinced of their own importance tend to.

    As he bored on and on, his swipe about ‘pop-up characters’ clearly aimed at Tories like Andrea Leadsom, who has been very critical of Bercow’s disregard for convention, a Tory MP piped up. He said something, inaudible to viewers, that contradicted Bercow’s contortionist back-patting.

    And the true John Bercow came out. His face became twisted, his glare intensified. ‘Don’t tell me, young man, from a sedentary position what I can and cannot say’, he barked. ‘I’m not remotely interested in your pettifogging objection chuntered inelegantly from a sedentary position’, he continued, sounding for all the world like one of those posh officious teenagers who get a job at the Oxford Union and think people will mistake their familiarity with a thesaurus for actual intelligence.

    It was an incredibly illuminating display. It summed up what Bercow has become known for: his contempt for ‘disobedient’ MPs, his bullying behaviour, and his disregard for the traditional constraints on the Speaker’s role. ‘Whether I can or not, I’m going to…’

    The fact is this: for all the weird applause given to Bercow yesterday, and for all the Remainer claims that he is a hero of parliamentary sovereignty, he will be remembered as a man who did great harm to the institution of Parliament.

    His explicit opposition to Brexit — there was once a sticker in his wife’s car saying ‘Bollocks to Brexit’ — means he has increasingly leant the Speaker’s authority to the anti-Brexit cause.

    In the words of Andrea Leadsom, the Speaker is meant to be a ‘politically impartial, independent umpire of proceedings’. But Bercow, as Leadsom says, has utterly failed to be impartial.

    The most recent example was his granting of permission to MPs to use Standing Order Number 24 to seize control of the parliamentary timetable. That standing order is typically reserved for the triggering of emergency debates. But Bercow allowed its use for the explicitly political end of blocking a no-deal Brexit and extending the Article 50 process. In so doing, he had not only ‘bent the rules — he has broken them’, said Leadsom.

    In January, Bercow was accused of ‘unilaterally changing’ parliamentary rules when he overruled officials and allowed a vote on Theresa May’s ‘Plan B’ for Brexit.

    In March he prevented May from bringing back her Withdrawal Agreement for a third vote in the Commons. His implication was that May should go back to the EU and seek an extension to the Article 50 process — a flagrant attempt by the Speaker to steer the political process itself. Government officials accused him of once again flouting parliamentary convention and using his position to seek a ‘longer extension’ and a ‘softer form of Brexit’.

    Bercow is a Remainer. He voted Remain and told students at Reading University in 2017 that it would have been better for the UK ‘to stay in the European Union’.

    That’s fine, or it would be if he had managed to keep his Remainerism to himself and stayed neutral in Parliament. But he hasn’t. He has sided with the Remainer wing of Parliament again and again, leading Andrew Bridgen to say that the supposedly objective Speaker is ‘conspiring with Remainer MPs to stop Brexit and subvert democracy’.

    Bercow may have been cheered by pro-Remain MPs yesterday. And the out-of-touch Twitterati might love him too. But to vast numbers of ordinary people Bercow’s barking of insults at the ‘chuntering’ MP who dared to criticise him yesterday will sum up both Bercow’s scandalous, politicised tenure as Speaker and the current dire state of Parliament more broadly.

    *****************************************************************

    BTL:

    Heaps of derision…..

    1. Looks as though the Poison Dwarf has set the precedent for bias to be a qualification for future Speakers.

  61. Now that Boris the dog has shaken off his flea for five weeks, we can think what the “Deal” is likely to be to avoid said dog dying in a ditch, rather than going to a good home.

    Note how the PR industry has been referring to the “Irish Backstop” rather than the “Backstop”. Does this suggest that Boris is now intending to throw the DUP to the wolves, tying Northern Ireland into permanent vassalage as an annexe of the Republic, but releasing Great Britain to pursue an off-the-peg Canada trade agreement with the EU, either as an interim measure, or at least until an election changes it for something else?

    The ten votes needed to secure a parliamentary majority is academic now, since the Government really only has about 298 MPs it can rely on, and is incapable of winning any vote in the Commons, with or without the DUP.

  62. I can’t imagine why so many peeps think the British parliamentary system is so wonderful when it’s just so obvious that it’s going to completely destroy British civilization.

  64. Have just seen part of the lunchtime news (courtesy of the Brussels Broadcasting Corpn) that some French bod in Calais wants this country to let in all illegal migrants crossing the Channel to be accepted by us as refugees. Naturally there was no attempt whatever to question him about his barking idea. What part of ‘economic migrant’ is he struggling with?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3c44c1340d90c59829f44d22844bf941c4d587cfb658895e8941636aec4a74ac.jpg

  65. Good morning all.

    Completely Off Thread, but I am having a severe clear out, and I wondered if there are any Wedgwood Jasperware fans here (or anyone who knows someone). I have the full set of their Christmas Plates from 1969-88 unused and in their original boxes. They were given to me by by my late “Uncle” Arthur and his wife (Arthur Bryan, former Chairman of Wedgwood and my parents’ best friends), and are inscribed by him on the back.

    This is a link to some on sale on Ebay, if people want to see what each individual one looks like, although these are apparently used https://www.ebay.com/itm/Wedgewood-Jasperware-Christmas-Plates-Set-of-20-1969-1988/173182392814?hash=item28527999ee:g:nUgAAOSwRkBalHHb

    I don’t want to take lots of photos etc. and I don’t know about copyright issues on putting someone else’s post out for general viewing. I am useless at putting things on the internet, so anyone who wants them (or some of them, I guess) can have them for a fairly nominal price. I can bring them to a NoTTLer in conjunction with a little mini-break (not of the plates..!) so that is not a problem.

    Alternatively if someone is internet-minded, I am happy to drop them off (they don’t take up much room in their boxes) and split any proceeds 50/50. Or any ideas where to put them with the minimum of fuss?

    I know we are not a market but I know there are people on here far more au fait with this kind of thing than I.

    1. Yo HL

      Contact Uncle Bill, he will give you Mr Rachid’s contact details

      You should get 400,000(0)+ emails requesting more info, when passes the info to his constituents

      1. Good afternoon, OLT.

        I’ll have you know that my friend Mr Rashid is very choosy with whom he does business.

        1. You can tell your friend (by their friends shall ye know them) Mr Rashid from me, to crash his conkers.

    3. Auction houses charge lotsa money. eBay and Paypal combined take 20 per cent of the proceeds plus the hassle. Just mentioning it.
      If you can find an honest charity ( difficult ) you could donate them. Perhaps to an old people’s charity, which will keep them on this board…..:-)
      Strange how difficult it is.
      Wish you luck.

      1. Thanks, Tony, and good afternoon to you.

        I may well go the charity route – but it will be to my local hospice in that event.

  66. Marie Claire UK ‘to cease’ publication

    Consultation has begun with the approximately 35 members of staff affected by the closure.

  67. VACANCY

    The Commons currently has a vacancy for a Speaker. It would suit BBC and Ex BBC staff as being biased is essential

  68. Hunt for cyclist who headbutted pedestrian to ground

    Just when are the going to properly regulate these aggressive reckless cyclists? I am sure the cyclist will claim it was the pedestrians fault

    Police are hunting a cyclist who headbutted a worker to the ground after a near-miss on a pedestrian crossing.
    The cyclist ran a red light in Farringdon Street in the City of London at around 13:45 GMT on 22 August, narrowly avoiding hitting the pedestrian who was crossing the road.
    He then got off his bike, came back towards the businessman and headbutted him in the face.
    The 57-year-old man needed stitches to a wound above his eye, and suffered ligament damage to his arm, police said.
    PC Fisk, from the City of London Police, said: “We are asking the public to help us identify this cyclist, whose needlessly violent actions has left a member of the public with some nasty injuries.

  69. though the MP’s said they were short of time to discuss Brexit yet wee have 2 hour of waffle and hot air from the Speaker and MP’s

  70. Trans and pregnant: How one man gave birth to his own baby

    Why do we keep getting this in my view nonsense. It was really a woman giving birth who has tried to make herself look like a man

    1. The reason they keep pushing this nonsense is so that people will eventually be so confused as to what’s what and what’s not that they will believe anything they are told to.

    3. I can’t decide whether it’s a man transitioning, or a woman transitioning. It’s all a load of boll*cks anyway. Or perhaps not.

    3. Imagine finding yourself surrounded by people such as that and having them as your “friends” and workmates. We only get one lifetime on this Earth, and you find yourself sitting at that table as the years tick down to the long sleep. What a grey and shabby existence. The prospect of Death would lose its sting. It would be a merciful release.

  74. After yet another run-in with acquaintances about Brexit I have come to the conclusion that the greatest difference between the two camps is that leavers voted because they thought remaining would harm the country and remainers voted because they thought leaving would hurt them.

    1. I commend your perseverance.

      I have yet to find any remainiac who can tell me WHY it is a good thing to remain.

      1. I get plenty of reasons given, but none of them actually hold water.
        Peace in Europe, being the most common.
        Freedom of movement, for them of course.
        Reciprocal health care, for them of course.
        European arrest warrant, unfortunately not for them of course.

        On the other side of the coin lots of death and destruction reasons why leaving is bad, but none of them hold water either, when analysed critically.

        Shortages and unemployment and the collapse of sterling and the economy being the starting points, swiftly followed by loss of EU funding to universities and development agencies and collapse of environmental, medical and health standards. Inability to staff the NHS, to gather crops, etc.

        As soon as one starts to show why claims of shortages would only be temporary why the economy would do better and why sterling fluctuates as economies change vs the UK and that with a net saving of billions to spend as we choose, being able to pick and choose who comes in for work; well then the shouting really begins.

        They honestly seem to believe that as soon as we left we would be treated as a pariah state by the rest of the world, trading with imports and exports stopped and then be taken over by America.

          1. And how its bear-baiting with the ex-Warsaw pact and other Russian spheres of influence is actually making the world more dangerous c/f Ukraine and how useless it was during the break-up of Yugoslavia.

          3. Not to mention how Germany’s premature recognition of the breakaway Croatia exacerbated an already tense situation and accelerated the descent into the worst civil wars in Europe since Spain.

          4. Civil, ethnic and religious war.

            As we see huge influxes from MENA and sub-sahara, never forget that element of the horrors.

          5. The Muslims in the former Yugoslavia were largely Muslim in name only and were the victims of some bloody vicious ethnic cleansing, largely but not exclusively from the Serbs.
            That then gave an opening for the proselytising Wahabi Jihadists to step in to bring them onto the “correct path”.

          6. Not all hose “in name only” will jump one way if it becomes a civil war over religion, but I fear the majority will..

          7. It was payback time for the Germans, who always hated Yugoslavia, dominated as it was by the Serbs.

            The Serbs formed the main body of anti-Nazi partisan resistance – although their leader, Tito, was a Croat – whereas Croatia was a Nazī puppet state. Under Ante Pavelić and his Ustaše thugs, it fought for the Krauts against the partisans.

            Pavelić fled to South America after the war and by the 1950s, he had been granted political asylum in Spain, from where he worked tirelessly with Croat fascists, aiming for the break-up of Yugoslavia. He died in Spain, of wounds received when a Yugoslav patriot attempted to assassinate him.

        2. I like to refer Remainer friends to the Government’s May 2016 assessment of the impact of a vote to leave (not actually leaving mind, just the vote). Still waiting for that “immediate and profound recession” we were threatened with! They were wrong then (and on the euro, and the ERM), why should we believe them now?

          “The analysis in this document comes to a clear central conclusion: a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession and lead to an increase in unemployment of around 500,000, GDP would be 3.6% smaller, average real wages would be lower, inflation higher, sterling weaker, house prices would be hit and public borrowing would rise compared with a
          vote to remain.”

          https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/524967/hm_treasury_analysis_the_immediate_economic_impact_of_leaving_the_eu_web.pdf

  78. Sylvia Dell 61, (a retired IT business analyst) and James Brown, 54, (a charity social entrepreneur) are planning to fly drones at Heathrow to close the airport for three days.

    Send them to China, (they’re not hiding) where there’s a bit more pollution and let them look down the barrel of a tank and send that cabbage patch muppet with them.

    Angry of Birmingham

  79. My daughter has bought one of those Alexa gadgets, just been having fun asking it a few questions today –

    Alexa – So what is going rate for selling ones country down the river into EU slavery?
    So easy Bob3 – A knighthood and a lucrative job with a global investment bank

    Alexa – Who would be the only person in Westminster more disliked than Bercow that will take over from him when he steps down?
    Another easy one Bob3 – That would be Harriet Harman

    1. Alexa, what is (-80538738812075974)^3 + (80435758145817515)^3 + (12602123297335631)^3
      Alexa, That’s easy Bob3

      42

      True!

        1. Indeed, although DA always denied that that was why he chose the number, all he wanted was a smallish integer.

          1. I remember him being quoted at the time that he had randomly picked 42. As he was not a mathematician, I am pretty sure he would not have even heard of that rather obscure sum of three cubes problem. Ditto the “on/off” sequence 42 becomes when expressed in binary.

          2. When reading the books I sometimes wondered whether he had a science advisor in the background just to check that even things like the infinite improbabilty drive might conceivably be possible and that the advisor made suggestions that would only be immediately apparent to another scientist.

  81. One that will please our Grizz

    The former England cricketer has been persistently overlooked by the

    honours system since he was found guilty in a French court of hitting

    his then girlfriend Margaret Moore in 1998.

    But the Telegraph has

    discovered that Miss Moore admitted to a friend that she had slipped on

    a marble floor and hit her head, causing the injury she later claimed

    was caused by Boycott.

    A relative of Mrs Moore has also told the Telegraph that she believes Boycott is innocent and should be knighted.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/honours-list/11922112/Geoffrey-Boycott-must-be-knighted-after-new-evidence-points-to-his-innocence-over-domestic-abuse-case.html
    all over the Al-Beeb…………………….NOT

    1. Boycott explained it all –

      Well it were like this, I had just spent three days out t’arguing with t’missus telling her the right way t’iron trousers and to wash t’dishes without so much as a raised bat when rather impatiently and uncharacteristically I went for a quick single on the on side.

    2. And Francois Fillon – who did the same thing but posed a HUGE threat to Toy Boy – is facing trial.

      Funny thing, yer domestic politics…..

    4. Dishonesty, fiddling expenses and claiming for fictitious employees are just normal procedures in today’s Alice in Wonderland world. It’s probably in her job description.

  83. US National Security Adviser John Bolton has been asked for his resignation.. and he has resigned.

      2. I have the strong impression that these men would have made a success of Zimbabwe and it would still be the regions bread basket.

  86. It has rained steadily from 7 am – and is still doing so. Had to put on trousers and a pullover. Grrr.

    Should be better tomorrow, though.

    1. Our CH has come on for the past 5 or 6 mornings and it’s still summer.
      Off to the Algarve tomorrow for 7 days. Can’t wait.

  87. As indicated below, just seen tomorrow’s forecast. Min 18C; max 26C. Very light breeze – just the day for a walk to Monaco to see the big yachts.

    Serious question: if any nautical NoTTLer would like a snap or two – tell me and I’ll programme the MR.

    3. Yes please, Bill !
      I doubt if Creole will be there; her owners – the Versace girls – are in financial trouble …

  88. For those of you who like baroque music, and the harpsichord in particular – the totally barmy young French soloist (with mad hair) is in concert on France Musique at 20.00 French time. That’ll be 7 pm Engerlish

    https://www.francemusique.fr/emissions/le-concert-de-20h/jean-rondeau-a-londres-et-a-bruxelles-solo-et-en-tres-bonne-compagnie-75514

    It is very, very rare that you will ever hear me say this, but this lad is a genius. And is still only 28.

    You will be delighted – to put it mildly.

  89. That’s me – a nice warming casserole for supper.

    A demain – spend the evening Harmanising….

  90. How an Earth can they call themselves Liberal -Democrats

    First they wanted to ignore the referendum and now they want to cancel article 50

    1. Doesn’t Liberal mean anything goes – but especially the referendum result and article 50….?

  92. How did Politics descend into the Sewer

    At one time r had some truly great politicians but now we have in my view Cheats, liars. Expense fiddlers , incompetents and totally useless MP’s

  93. Whats New ?

    Labour party manifesto unlikely to commit to Leave or Remain. It must be getting very uncomfortable for Corbyn sitting on that fence. He and the Labour party have lost all credibility

  94. A politicians Manifesto

    Vote for me I will tell you what I stand for after I have been elected and I reserve the right to change anything and everything
    I also reserve the right to lie and fiddle my expense as well s changing parties at whim

  95. Hmmm

    Here is a snippet of the new EU Commission President’s “work” programme for the coming session:

    ‘We
    need to move towards full co-decision power for the European Parliament
    and away from unanimity for climate, energy, social and taxation
    policies’

    For those unfamiliar with EUROspeak, what this
    gobbledegook means is the removal of the member state’s veto over even
    more policy areas where the EU can make law – that’s binding law on all
    member states. The purpose of removing the veto is to enable the EU
    machine to impose laws on member states that don’t want them, under
    “qualified majority voting”. In 1975 we were told there were no problems
    with national sovereignty – we could veto anything, as could the other 9
    Member States. They have spent forty years removing the veto, policy by
    policy, so that the Council of Ministers website now tells us 80% of EU
    law is arrived at on a non-veto basis. You will notice particularly
    that one area where they now want to remove the veto is taxation. That
    is so they can impose taxes on countries that vote against them and do
    not want them. Are you listening Leo Varadkhar? They’ve been after your
    competitive low corporation tax rates for years. Spread the good news in
    Ireland – they’re such good Europeans, they’ll love it.

    1. The EU are very keen, almost frantically keen, to bring in a concept called “debt sharing” although you won’t hear many of them speaking of it yet. When the individual countries vetoes are removed, and they cannot stop it, then it will rear it’s bankrupting head. The EU is in such deep financial manure that instead of this £39 Billion ransom payment that they are demanding for nothing, the debts of those borderline bankrupt states will be “shared” and as the UK is a wealthy nation, one estimate puts our bill at £294 Billion. Which will only rise as the years go by.

      So we really do not want Theresa May’s EU written Withdrawal Agreement (with the Backstop removed) to come back again. We would have no defence against these bills from the EU in that trap. That will seriously damage the United Kingdom, which is what they want to do.

      1. The Greek debt has already been transferred from French and German banks to all EU citizens.

        1. It is a model that they intend to roll out for everyone in a desperate last attempt to postpone the collapse of their bankrupt system. Italy, Portugal, Spain, even France has had some interesting economic figures in the past few months, and Germany is on the verge of recession, if they are not in one already. They need truckloads of money and are happy to empty the United Kingdom’s Treasury to get it. That is a lot of other peoples debt for us to pay off. Or for our children and their children to pay off.

  96. I am getting more and more pissed off at the routine universal adapting of the idiotic American habit of using the word “smart” as a synonym for intelligent. It is NOT!

    Smart means clean, tidy, well-dressed and well-groomed. When people talk about “smart” phones, “smart” televisions and “smart” motorways (FFS!) I just want to give them a slap and scream into their face from one inch away that they are retarded!

    4. Oh, come on. It’s been around for years. It was in common use in reference to people (smart=intelligent) before we moved to the US some 40 years ago.

      1. Oh, come on. It is the increasingly annoying adoption of idiotic Americanisms that is inveigling itself into standard English and making it as sick a joke as it has been Stateside for centuries.

        My crusade may be unilateral, but it is unyielding.

      2. I heard it in Ireland, first, 40 years or so ago. Along with “cute”. Cute meaning sassy, savvy kind of thing.

  97. There’s a super Prom live on Radio 3 now Smetana’s The Bartered Bride – a bit like the UK in the paws of the EU

    1. I wonder what his reaction would have been if an MP had heckled that he was aiding the EU in cuckolding the UK Government.

  99. Colchester Hospital seems to have a long history of issues

    A SURGEON facing interim suspension has been told he can practise again…but under constant supervision.
    Jeremy Parker, a trauma and orthopaedic surgeon at Colchester Hospital, was given an interim suspension by the Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service in July.
    The surgeon, who specialises in hip and knee replacements, also worked The Oaks Hospital in Colchester, which is run by Ramsay Healthcare.
    The General Medical Council and the Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service were unable to provide reasons for the interim suspension.

    However, an update on the GMC website says the surgeon is registered with a licence to practise, with a number of conditions in place until November next year.
    One of the conditions is he must be supervised in all of his posts by a clinical supervisor, and directly supervised when performing surgical procedures.
    The report said: “His clinical supervisor must be appointed by his responsible officer.
    “He must not work until his responsible officer has appointed his clinical supervisor and approved his supervision arrangements and he has personally ensured the GMC has been notified of these arrangements.

    2. A knighthood for oily olly is one thing, but how about those two advisers who led that catastrophic election campaign? How can such incompetence be awarded?

        1. But what really bothers me is what happens at Christmas? How on earth are pantomimes going to compete with the recent goings on? Even a Brian Rix farce made more sense.

          4. 2 years service, 5 years service 8 years service, brown nosing.

            Apparently police officers *are* recruited from the ranks. I doubt she spent more than afternoon walking a beat if that’s true.

  101. Ooooopppppsss
    Sorry folks, I can’t stop laughing.
    Less than a minute in.

    England wendied firmly between the pockets.

  102. ”

    Brexit: PM insists deal is possible as he holds DUP talks ”
    Pigs can fly. They are also kosher, halal, and have three legs.

  104. Despite BREXIT:

    Irish cider and beer maker C&C Group, whose brands include the Magners and Bulmers ciders, as well as Tennants lager, said it will seek admission to London’s FTSE and discontinue its Irish stock market listing, simultaneously switching its financial reporting from euros to sterling from October 7, the company announced this morning. The company will cancel its listing in Dublin, despite Brexit…

    Not expecting to hear about this from any oof our RemainStream Broadcasters

    https://order-order.com/2019/09/10/magners-now-good-time-switch-britain/

    2. There could be more doing that once we leave the EU. The tax advantages of being in Ireland largely disappear if we leave the EU

  105. It seems the Labour Front bench and Liberals aided and abetted by former Conservatives are practicing nEUcrophilia …..

          1. A long while ago in my yoof I worked in tech support. I was, frankly, rubbish as I knew more than the people asking questions (I said I was rubbish, didn’t iI?).

            Anyway. Chap rings up and says our widget won’t talk to his server. I ask him what’s changed, to try to get a history. He says nothing. I say ‘It’s a digital system. It doesn’t change itself’.

            I was reminded of my stupidity when this morning I went to start the car and the bipper didn’t work. Wouldn’t even key unlock. Blasted computers.

            (NB – that chap who ‘hadn’t changed anything’ had had a flood from his air con, causing it to flood all over the server and requiring a restore form backup. If he’d said that, he’d have saved himself half a day of hassle – moral of the story – fess up to support people. They’re trying to help you.)

          3. Danke. I was forced to try to learn German for three years 50 years ago – but I rarely get the chance to sprechen Deutsch

          5. Lived in the Netherlands for awhile but the Dutch remained
            quite basic and I cannot speak German in the slightest.
            Would like to learn Welsh for some bizarre reason,
            It must be influenced by childhood visits to a
            favourite aunt who lived in Coed y Paen nr Usk .

          10. Would learning be worth the effort. Wales has a population of about 3M and probably no more than a 100, 000 have any real fluency in Welsh although a lot more will claim to

          13. I can read the road signs – they are often in Welsh on my (English) side of the border. When they aren’t in Polish, that is.

          15. Lived there also. The Dutch speak such good English (better than a significant percentage of the British population..) there’s really no point.

  107. I’m amazed it’s dark already at 9pm, autumn turned up quickly .
    Good night, I had best hit the haystack, a long day tomorrow,
    starting with a hygienist apt .

    1. While mine is a lovely young lady, I do worry about someone who as a child wanted to put sharp objects in the mouths of helpless, often drugged; people.

    2. If this video is true and if ”buy” is taken literally, a ”Mad Hatter’s Tea Party” is just what would happen…………….

      https://twitter.com/ActionBrexit/status/1171489006074228740?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1171489006074228740&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdisqus.com%2Fembed%2Fcomments%2F%3Fbase%3Ddefault%26f%3Dnottl%26t_i%3D112%2520https%253A%252F%252Fnttl.blog%252F%253Fp%253D112%26t_u%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fnttl.blog%252Ftuesday-10-september-boris-johnson-can-negate-the-benn-acts-command-to-extend-article-50%252F%26t_e%3DTuesday%252010%2520September%253A%2520Boris%2520Johnson%2520can%2520negate%2520the%2520Benn%2520Act%25E2%2580%2599s%2520command%2520to%2520extend%2520Article%252050%26t_d%3DTuesday%252010%2520September%253A%2520Boris%2520Johnson%2520can%2520negate%2520the%2520Benn%2520Act%25E2%2580%2599s%2520command%2520to%2520extend%2520Article%252050%26t_t%3DTuesday%252010%2520September%253A%2520Boris%2520Johnson%2520can%2520negate%2520the%2520Benn%2520Act%25E2%2580%2599s%2520command%2520to%2520extend%2520Article%252050%26s_o%3Ddesc%23version%3D952b25b64600de367a70b20cf83e2904

    3. Full article: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/day-house-commons-descended-mad-hatters-tea-party/
      


      I must have drifted off, because I woke in the small hours of yesterday morning to find the House of Commons still on the TV. Something extraordinary was happening. An MP was talking sense.
      

      I could hardly believe my ears. Ivan Lewis, an Independent who deserted Labour last year over its appalling anti-semitism, was patiently explaining to his colleagues what democracy involved. It’s a shame they needed reminding.
      


      “I am voting for a general election tonight,” said Mr Lewis. “I am willing to face the people in my constituency, unlike too many people on these benches.”
      


      Sitting next to him, Hilary Benn had a prissy, thin-lipped, sour expression. Benn and his Brexit-blocking buddies, including Tory rebels, had recently consulted the EU over their “Surrender” extension bill before putting it to the British Parliament. A gobsmacking act of treachery in anyone’s book. But MPs don’t like being told they’re in the wrong. Especially when they are.
      


      Later, there was mayhem in the Chamber when several MPs hurled themselves on Speaker John Bercow to prevent
      him leaving. A notice reading “Silenced” was put on his chair. Apparently, this was a “symbolic” protest against Parliament being prorogued for five weeks.
      


      As a parent, I recognised the scene at once. This is what happens towards the end of a child’s birthday when the six-year-olds have had far too much sugar, everyone is horribly over-excited, Jeremy thinks it’s funny to shin up the curtains and it’s definitely time for Mummy to take them home.
      

      Unfortunately for the nation, most MPs are too old to have Mummies yet they are still young enough to behave like a bunch of gleefully naughty children.
      


      If there were any lingering doubt about the fitness of the present Parliament to govern this country, it was well and truly extinguished on Monday afternoon when John Bercow announced he was standing down. I say announced, but what followed, over the next few hours, was one of the most indulgent, nauseating, unintentionally hilarious and self-aggrandising displays I can recall seeing in public life.
      

      

      Picture the Mad Hatter’s Tea Party with Bercow – Gollum in a top hat– jabbering sibillant nonsense, holding the teapot aloft and pouring himself cup after cup of preposterous praise. “Order, awwwe-duur! Oh, go on then, tell me how marvellous I am again if you absolutely must…”
      

      MPs were only supposed to be deciding whether to call the most important general election for a generation. A matter of considerable importance for voters. Who? Oh, them.

      When the Speaker told the House his leaving date would be October 31, the Opposition benches chortled at this malicious in-joke. They were laughing at Leave voters. Even mocking democracy itself. Telling us they can do as they damn well like in their Westminster fortress and we, the people, can do nothing to stop them. Bercow has seen to that.

      “We degrade this Parliament at our peril,” he bellowed. Said the man who has done more to bring that place into disrepute over the past three years than any of his 32 predecessors. A supposedly impartial chair, he was given a standing ovation by the Opposition while most Conservatives sat on their hands and glared. (Which proved that he failed miserably at his job.)
      

      He has done everything in his power to stop us leaving the EU. (He drove his wife’s car which has a “B——- to Brexit” sticker in his window. Classy.) He has taken a Stanley knife to the subtle warp and weft of our unwritten constitution.
      

      He has tried every wheeze to enable Remainers to take control of Parliamentary business and then, when the Prime Minister prorogued Parliament to restrain them, had the cheek to complain that it was not “normal”.
      

      He has conspired with the Opposition to put Boris in a position where he could actually be arrested for trying to implement the result of a referendum which was voted for by Parliament and which both main parties promised to honour in their 2017 election manifestos.
      


      And that’s just a law he made up recently so his Labour mates could avoid facing the British people at a general election because, er, they’d lose. Democracy, eh? What a bitch.
      

      “When the history books come to be written, you will be described as one of the great reforming Speakers,” treacled Hilary Benn.
      


      “I don’t want this to become a mutual admiration society,” simpered Bercow.
      


      Too late for that, I’m afraid. Hours of precious Parliamentary time had been squandered as MPs paid tribute to the glory that is them and to an odious, vain, choleric individual who has faced allegations of bullying, a fact that strangely didn’t merit a mention in any of the rapturous encomiums. And then they held up placards saying “Silenced”!
      


      What can you say about such a staggering lack of self-awareness? Perhaps suggest that the Mad Hatter’s House of Commons be removed in its entirety to Rampton high-security hospital and we get a few normal people in from
      Sainsbury to see if they can do any worse.
      

      “I couldn’t give a flying flamingo what you think,” snapped Bercow at the end, the narcissist’s mask slipping.
      

      Believe me, Mr Speaker, out here in the country the feeling is entirely mutual. The sooner we are rid of you and your rotten Parliament of Fools, the better.

      On that note, does anyone have a better way of pasting articles? The formatting was a disaster.

  110. A Remainer MP was trying to claim we need to sort out VAT arrangements across the NI border. He seems to know little about VAT we already have different VAT rates in UK to Ireland as well as regulations

  111. Night All

    Rich crop tonight

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    1. Public report threats and abuse from MPs and the speaker and fear treachery
      Abuse of public by MPs worsening says ex MI5 chief.
      Threats against Brexiteers have got to stop says Public.

      That looks a bit more balanced.

    2. ” verbal altercations ” and they called the police ? After what happened in the House of C. last night ?
      The police are understaffed and crying for more funding. And these pissy labour people call for help after a ” verbal altercation ” ????

    3. At least the householder gave that Labour Party canvasser three seconds to get off his property before he hit him.

      That’s three seconds longer than I would have given him.

      1. That’s a pity.

        Canvassers of all parties are unpaid public servants giving the public an option to vote. They also transmit the message back to the party HQ if and why the candidate or campaign is rubbish, as well as identifying support to get out on the day.

        There is a certain amount of rivalry between opposing canvassers, and a certain amount of political sabotage is in order. A party of Government must also be judged on its capacity to handle adversity – it may well be called on to deal with a national enemy, and should have the skills to prevail.

        The doorstep saboteur I most dreaded was the Tory Blue Rinse. Elderly, and thrilled when a non-Tory turns up on the doorstep. Her weapon of choice is the pot of tea, a plate of cakes and a comfy chair. She then says she’s not sure about supporting the Conservatives this time, and would like to know more before making up her mind, with a few provocative prompts if the conversation dries up. Such a creature can trap a canvasser for hours, and if she can also draw in the candidate, even better. The only thing to do is to mount a rescue, well aware that she is quite capable of tying up an entire canvassing team all day if she can get away with it.

        1. You say

          “A party of Government must also be judged on its capacity to handle
          adversity – it may well be called on to deal with a national enemy, and
          should have the skills to prevail.”

          If a candidate cannot even extricate himself from one old lady, desperate for a wee bit of company, it hardly inspires confidence in his ability to deal with national emergency, let alone his skill to prevail.

    5. Problem is, cavassers are the front line ground troops. They’re just decent people supporting a party.

      They can’t do anything about the morons in Westminster so threatening them is pointless (as no doubt privately they also find the behaviour of their party utterly disgusting) but equally, they’re going to bear the brunt of any ‘dissatisfaction’ simply because the political class have behaved so abominably.

    6. …and at the bottom of the article there is a flyer that says, “Why you can trust BBC News”.

      Ha, fücking, ha (and I don’t care if puritan Tony is upset by my language).

  116. All our PM has to do is to ask for an extension.. He can also say that the extension is to be granted on condition we do not pay them £39bn and nothing at all in future, ever. During any extension period all EU citizens must be repatriated.

    2. Where is he defending us against the nutters in Islam here at home?

      Why is he not saying ‘we were, we’ve changed – they haven’t?

      1. Christians are being persecuted in South East Asia, Africa and the Middle East. He doesn’t give a damn. As with the Pharisees of old, political expediency trumps compassion.

        1. “Vae autem vobis scribae et Pharisaei hypocritae quia clauditis regnum caelorum ante homines vos enim non intratis nec introeuntes sinitis intrare”
          — Mat 23:13

      1. The medical profession is partly to blame for this – over-prescription of antibiotics has resulted in this.

    2. You forget the golden rule on scare stories, if our controlled MSM are telling us about it then it is fake news.

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